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Patriots Unfiltered 11/1: Previewing the Commanders, Trade Deadline Recap, Wednesday Practice Update, Who Steps Up on Offense? · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: The world's of biget tanks. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Jeff'son
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Hey, how you doing guys?
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  Speaker 5: Do you know who we drafted since mac Jones has
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  Speaker 5: been up and Patriots on the opensive side?
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  Speaker 8: third down back?
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  Speaker 9: Jerck mckinnony is pretty good?
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  Speaker 1: Oh really?
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  Speaker 8: What's he got twelve catches.
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  Speaker 9: And was created last year in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 8: Who's Joe Burrow's third down back?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Jeff, Jeff.
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  Speaker 8: All the stuff about mac is is point he didn't produce.
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  Speaker 8: Look at it. Go back and look at it and
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  Speaker 8: tell me that. Show me the production.
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  Speaker 9: I don't disagree, i't I don't disagree with his point.
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  Speaker 9: No one can even talk except for you, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, Jeff, Jeff, Now, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Fine, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, hold hold up.
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  Speaker 8: You talk, then Fred talks. You talk, and Fred talks.
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  Speaker 8: You can't just talk all the time. No one can
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  Speaker 8: hear anything.
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  Speaker 1: That was Patriots Unfiltered yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: No, that pretty much summed up the day.
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  Speaker 1: and listen to the whole call.
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  Speaker 8: Fred desperately trying to agree with Jeff. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, we're just getting ready for Washington.
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  Speaker 1: That's all we're doing today, you know, commanders, We're just
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  Speaker 1: getting ready for Washington. That was the refrain today from
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. A lot of people wanted to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the trade deadline and personnel and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 9: But with the general manager of the team. They want
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  Speaker 9: to talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: We're focused on Washington. Yeah, and I'm not sure Washington's
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  Speaker 1: focused on playing football anymore. Yeah. They trade away. They're
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  Speaker 1: trading away key pieces yesterday and apparently to play their
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  Speaker 1: young guys, which according to Billy can understand because they
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  Speaker 1: think they're pretty good. But you know, it is what
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  Speaker 1: it is. This looks like a game that the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: should win.
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  Speaker 11: That comment stood out to me because, like, oh, so
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  Speaker 11: when you feel like you don't really have anything on
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  Speaker 11: that season, you just kind of restock and play your
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  Speaker 11: young guys a lot, Like is that what we're doing
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  Speaker 11: to Bill, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're not doing that. I mean, we're doing
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  Speaker 1: it by default because guys.
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  Speaker 8: Are hurt, but we're not Ponnel forced to do it.
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  Speaker 12: I apologize.
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  Speaker 8: There's something to talk about. We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: So Bill talked today. Uh, and then Mac Jones just
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  Speaker 1: got off the podium a little while ago. I got
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  Speaker 1: to say something about it. I know him. We like
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  Speaker 1: to people like to pile on Mac and all this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and Mac and Roe and all and all this, But
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  Speaker 1: for everything that's going on with him and the stuff
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  Speaker 1: around him. You know, he puts on a good face
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  Speaker 1: for the most part at these press conferences. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like he doesn't come out, you know, dour and down.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's upbeat. I got to hand it to him, he's.
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  Speaker 11: Got to be kind of used to it, like, you know,
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  Speaker 11: I mean, it just it sounds a lot the same.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, even like his postgame press conferences kind of
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  Speaker 11: are all just sounding like the same, I know, but.
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  Speaker 1: He does it with a smile on his face.
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  Speaker 11: And I think, yeah, I think at this point though,
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  Speaker 11: you just you kind of realize where you're at, and
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  Speaker 11: you go up there, you put on a happy face.
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  Speaker 12: You know that they're not going to grule you too bad.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to give him a little credit, no, I.
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  Speaker 11: Mean, I think of everything we've given him credit for, was,
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  Speaker 11: you know, handling things, you know, fairly well. I mean
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  Speaker 11: I think that there's a couple of different avenues you
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  Speaker 11: can take to that.
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  Speaker 12: Some things he didn't.
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  Speaker 11: Handle so well last year, right, But you know, as
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  Speaker 11: far as just working hard and you know, saying kind
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  Speaker 11: of the right things and all that, Yeah, he's doing
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  Speaker 11: good job.
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  Speaker 9: I will say for this, give him this. He knows
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  Speaker 9: what he's doing wrong. Like he's said every single week
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  Speaker 9: after games, you know, we ask him questions. And now
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  Speaker 9: now I have, you know, a cohort with me and Taylor,
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  Speaker 9: so we like, but we both come at him about
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  Speaker 9: the film and and we asked him questions about you know,
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  Speaker 9: what are you seeing downfield on deep throws and the
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  Speaker 9: pre snap stuff and r pos and this and that,
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  Speaker 9: And he has all the right answers. He has all
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  Speaker 9: the right answers as to what he's doing wrong and
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  Speaker 9: how he could improve and where they're deficient and all
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  Speaker 9: these types of things. I was saying to you guys
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  Speaker 9: before we hit record here, like he just can't fix them.
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  Speaker 9: Like it just seems like he knows what he needs
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  Speaker 9: to do, but baby, because it's physically he can't do it.
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  Speaker 9: He just can't do it.
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  Speaker 12: Sounds like a coach.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, he just can't fix it. That That's kind of
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  Speaker 9: how it comes across. Is like if this was like
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  Speaker 9: the offensive coordinator saying that the quarterback needs to do X,
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  Speaker 9: Y and Z better, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, you like,
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  Speaker 9: the guy's got them, got the right the right mojo,
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  Speaker 9: and then but he's the one that has to go
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  Speaker 9: out there and execute.
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  Speaker 12: It's good trade for a backup quarterback too. You know
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  Speaker 12: what's going on?
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  Speaker 8: See what you did there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we we should mention dark some some NFL news
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  Speaker 1: that happened overnight.
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  Speaker 12: In the middle of the night in Vegas, the City
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  Speaker 12: that Never sleeps.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, I'm not I wouldn't have been surprised if it
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  Speaker 1: happened at the end of the season. I am surprised
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  Speaker 1: at right now. The Raiders got rid of Josh McDaniels
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  Speaker 1: and Dave Ziegler, by the way, but you know Mick Lombardy, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and Mick Lombardy and then yeah, bo heart agree was promoted.
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  Speaker 9: So it sounds like the final nail in the coffin
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  Speaker 9: was starting Brian Hoyer in that that game a couple
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  Speaker 9: of weeks ago, and I guess they all wanted to
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  Speaker 9: go with Aidan O'Connell and Josh wanted to go with
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  Speaker 9: Brian Hoyer, so they started Hoyer, and Hoyer played terribly
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  Speaker 9: and hoyered. That was kind of the end of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so with four years left in his contract, he's
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  Speaker 1: a free man raking in the money. Apparently, that's all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 11: I love Paul say it, but I mean take some time. Yeah, really,
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  Speaker 11: you don't need money.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, like I know, immediate speculation is he'll
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  Speaker 8: come back, and I don't. I wouldn't rule that out.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, he's done it before. If I were him,
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  Speaker 8: and this is just me, my my opinion, I would
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  Speaker 8: take the rest of this year and just decompressed.
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  Speaker 1: If I family, I would be like, no, please, no.
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  Speaker 8: No, I agree, that's I don't think it's We can
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  Speaker 8: talk about whether or not the Patriots should do it,
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  Speaker 8: and I would say no because of what you just said.
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  Speaker 8: But if it's something that everybody's in agreement on and
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  Speaker 8: Billy O'Brien or maybe they like the last time when
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  Speaker 8: he came back, Billy O'Brien was leaving, he was going
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  Speaker 8: to Penn State. They knew that, right, So there's nobody's
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  Speaker 8: toes getting stepped on exactly. If they know that now
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  Speaker 8: that Billy Oh's got another job lined up for next year,
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  Speaker 8: which I hardly highly doubt they know that right now,
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  Speaker 8: then by all means do it again. Yes, yeah, I
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  Speaker 8: mean to me, I think it's better for Josh. And
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  Speaker 8: I'm not saying never come back. I'm saying right now,
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  Speaker 8: just sort of take the rest of the take the
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  Speaker 8: last half of the year off, decompress, spend some time
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  Speaker 8: with your family. Money's not a factor, and then figure
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  Speaker 8: out what your next move is going to be, you know.
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  Speaker 11: Especially after last year, Like I would you know, if
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  Speaker 11: someone wanted to pitch like how it could work or
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  Speaker 11: you know, why to bring Josh in at this point
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  Speaker 11: to a two and sixteen. But I think last year
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  Speaker 11: we had so many voices in Max's head and I
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  Speaker 11: think that was part of the problem. And you know,
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  Speaker 11: so you're talking about muddy the message maybe a little
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  Speaker 11: bit at this point where I mean, I think probably
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  Speaker 11: right now, what you're thinking is, let's continue to try
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  Speaker 11: to get Mac to pick up the Billy Oh offense
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  Speaker 11: and not let's bring in Josh and he's gonna maybe
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  Speaker 11: have his take on it.
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  Speaker 12: And I think things are going to just be you're
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  Speaker 12: looking at me, it's like he's playing nobody else.
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  Speaker 11: But I'd be more interested in maybe discussing some of
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  Speaker 11: the assistant coaches, you know. I mean, I know Evan
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  Speaker 11: was bringing up carn Brisillo, who's the offensive line coach,
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  Speaker 11: who you know, if things I don't know how.
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  Speaker 12: Things are going with Adrian Clem.
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  Speaker 11: We've seen the product on the field, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 11: there's some learning. He's no, he's still but maybe he'd
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  Speaker 11: be out at the end of maybe at the end
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  Speaker 11: of the year.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I'm a big carn Brisillo guy. I thought
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  Speaker 9: their best line since Scar left was twenty one, which
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  Speaker 9: was his line. So I think that he's a good
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  Speaker 9: line coach, and I would definitely bring him back. And
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  Speaker 9: I hear fans that say that, you know, they should
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  Speaker 9: move on from this system entirely, and like we should
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  Speaker 9: be looking to turn a page here and move into
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  Speaker 9: a different world of offense, maybe with a different universe,
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  Speaker 9: not keep on bringing back retreads, right and just keep
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  Speaker 9: rehiring these guys. But I think that there's a difference
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  Speaker 9: between pointing out the fact that it's pretty obvious why
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  Speaker 9: they would bring Josh McDaniels back and also agree. I
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  Speaker 9: agree with that point that they need to adapt and
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  Speaker 9: modernize a little bit on offense. But at the same time, if,
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  Speaker 9: like Paul said, if Billy Oh's got a job at
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  Speaker 9: Michigan State next year lined up then and Bill's still
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  Speaker 9: the coach here, it's gonna be McDaniel's.
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  Speaker 8: Like that's just that's just a fact.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's only a handful of people
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  Speaker 1: that really know what the future of this team is
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  Speaker 1: or in it ain't us. Yeah, it's not us. And
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  Speaker 1: so all we're doing right now is spitballing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And but I'm dying to find out what's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen at the end of this season.
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  Speaker 12: I am too, And I hate it.
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  Speaker 11: I hate, hate, hate being in the position of having
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  Speaker 11: to root for the team to lose so that they
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  Speaker 11: can get a better draft pick.
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  Speaker 12: Like I just think it sucks. Well, you don't have
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  Speaker 12: to do that, no, but but you can't. And I'm
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  Speaker 12: not saying I'm not that. I'm not saying I'm necessarily
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  Speaker 12: rooting for you.
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  Speaker 8: I'm gonna allow you not to have to do that.
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  Speaker 13: I'm giving you permission, and I'm not, by the way,
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  Speaker 13: I appreciate the permission, and I'm not really, But it's
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  Speaker 13: just you can't help but feel that poll you know,
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  Speaker 13: And you can't help but feel right now every game
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  Speaker 13: they win, you're like great, you know, And that's I'm
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  Speaker 13: not rooting for them to lose in any sense.
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  Speaker 12: Like I just I can't get there ever.
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  Speaker 11: But I just hate having that hangover you, that every
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  Speaker 11: win is going to have that like, well, say.
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye to Drake May Now.
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  Speaker 11: You know, like those like each week they win it,
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  Speaker 11: that's just it sucks.
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  Speaker 12: I hate being in this position.
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  Speaker 8: Like didn't the Jets like win the last game the
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  Speaker 8: Zach the to like get to lose, to lose Trevor Lawrence. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: like that would be a tough one. But that's way
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  Speaker 8: down the.
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  Speaker 12: Road, I know, like building right now.
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  Speaker 8: I can't get to that in November.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, now that the trade deadline is over, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, chatter on the various platforms
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  Speaker 1: from the experts that you know, they're upset with the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots because you know, if you're not going to sell anything,
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  Speaker 1: then sign them. You know, if you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: sell Uce, if you're not going to sell Dugger, if
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to sell them, when you sign them,
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  Speaker 1: get it done. What is your take on that.
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  Speaker 8: I think it's all individually, case by case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in my view, I.
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  Speaker 8: Would say that that's how I feel about Dugger. I
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  Speaker 8: kind of like Kyle Dugger. I think he could be
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  Speaker 8: one of your young guys that you could potentially have
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  Speaker 8: as part of your nucleus. You know, everybody says, well,
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  Speaker 8: who other than Christian Gonzales. Do they Well, I think
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  Speaker 8: Dougler could be one of those guys. You know, it'd
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  Speaker 8: be a fifty year guy next year. Why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 8: want to? You know, is four years, forty million something
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  Speaker 8: like that? Is that outrageous? I don't do the numbers, No,
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  Speaker 8: I just think.
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  Speaker 9: That the biggest thing to me is like, at some
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  Speaker 9: point you have to build. You can't keep replacing. And
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  Speaker 9: I feel like this football team has gotten into a
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  Speaker 9: problem personnel wise because it's constantly one guy in and
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  Speaker 9: one guy out.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like they're always looking for the perfect player,
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  Speaker 1: like someone who's versatile, not high, you know, crazy expensive,
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  Speaker 1: but can you know, be a foundational player because they
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  Speaker 1: did have those guys like the Teddy Bruskis and things
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  Speaker 1: like that, but I don't know, like you also had
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, you know, and so now you don't. So
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  Speaker 1: now you need those other players that are going to
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  Speaker 1: carry this team. You can't rely on the quarterback.
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  Speaker 11: I printed out a tweet from Zach Cox yesterday which
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  Speaker 11: I just thought summed it up really well.
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  Speaker 12: Just a couple highlights.
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  Speaker 11: From twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, New England selected nineteen
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  Speaker 11: players in rounds one through three, and none of them
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  Speaker 11: signed a second contract with the team. Zero that let's
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  Speaker 11: do that again twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, nineteen players
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  Speaker 11: rounds one to three. These are the guys that right
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  Speaker 11: now should be your core, your leaders.
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  Speaker 12: Zero.
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  Speaker 1: So that's six years, six sis drafts.
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  Speaker 8: So my question would be there is is it just
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  Speaker 8: bad drafting or is it bad roster management or in
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  Speaker 8: some cases both because I don't think that.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a third element paul drafting, roster management, but
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  Speaker 1: also coaching once they get he development.
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  Speaker 8: No, That's what I'm saying, Like, so, yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 8: You're absolutely right. But my point is like, if if
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  Speaker 8: you've drafted a guy that you think can play and
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  Speaker 8: you're considering giving him a second contract, then my guess
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  Speaker 8: is he developed to a point. So did they always?
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  Speaker 8: I wonder just how many guys out of those three
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  Speaker 8: rounds and six years of drafts are like Kyle Duger.
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  Speaker 8: I think Kyle Duger was a good draft pick, the
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  Speaker 8: second round safety who is pretty athletic. I think he's
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  Speaker 8: very physical. I still think he struggles a little bit
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  Speaker 8: in the passing game, but you know, I think he's.
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  Speaker 1: A pretty pretty good player.
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  Speaker 8: My feeling is they don't have a lot of those
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  Speaker 8: in those drafts, and that's the bigger problem is drafting
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  Speaker 8: not retaining.
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  Speaker 11: I think they cover that spectrum, Paul, you know, like
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  Speaker 11: I think it goes from they drafted guys who were
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  Speaker 11: good like Chandler Jones that they let go for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 11: You know, Like it's just a second part to this
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  Speaker 11: that the second contracts of guys post twenty thirteen, Jake Bailey,
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  Speaker 11: who was of course cut one year after he signed,
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  Speaker 11: Joe Cardona, he's a lone snapper, James White now retired,
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  Speaker 11: Shack Mason traded.
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  Speaker 12: We're left with just Dietrich Wise and Juwant Bentley.
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  Speaker 11: So I mean, really for the last like ten years,
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  Speaker 11: those are the two guys that you have to show
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  Speaker 11: for all.
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  Speaker 12: Of those drafts.
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  Speaker 8: And it's hard because, like I said, it's case by case.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, just like looking at the I'm not
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  Speaker 9: going to read all of them because there's there's obviously
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  Speaker 9: a bunch, but because off the top of my head
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  Speaker 9: at a quick glance, I think, really, the only guy
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  Speaker 9: that you can go back to and be like, I
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  Speaker 9: guess there's there's two or three, one of them is
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  Speaker 9: Trey Flowers was a fourth round pick, so that's passed
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  Speaker 9: the cutoff. But he got a big deal from Detroit
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  Speaker 9: when Patricia went there. And you know that, I guess
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  Speaker 9: is a little bit complicated obviously. Jimmy g Right, you know,
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  Speaker 9: second round pick in twenty fourteen, and then Joe Touney.
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  Speaker 9: You know, those are I think are the three guys
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  Speaker 9: that were good players that you hit on in the
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  Speaker 9: draft that didn't weren't retained at past their first contract.
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  Speaker 9: But I just feel like we're always, you know, it's
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  Speaker 9: Kyle Dugger out, Marty Mapu in, it's you know, Joe
• 15:24
  Speaker 9: Toney out, it's you know, the next guy in, and instead,
• 15:27
  Speaker 9: why don't we take Kyle Dugger and add to Kyle Dugger?
• 15:31
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 15:32
  Speaker 9: Why and why does it have to stop there? Like
• 15:35
  Speaker 9: I feel like we're you know, I'm not as caught
• 15:36
  Speaker 9: up in like these guys have to be your building
• 15:40
  Speaker 9: blocks or your foundational pieces. Who's to say that Kyle
• 15:43
  Speaker 9: Dugger can't just be Kyle Dugger and then your foundational
• 15:46
  Speaker 9: piece is Christian Gonzales, right, And you just I feel
• 15:50
  Speaker 9: like they have to at some point, they need to
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: latch onto some guys and start to build something instead
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: of just concept.
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: I think it gets back to Mike's draft rant, because Mike,
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: I think you feel probably as passionately about the miss
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: draft picks as any of us do. Yeah, and we're
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: all in agreement on it. But I feel like Evan
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: brings up a good point. So Kyle dugger again, we
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: all kind of feel like, well that that's a good pick.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: You don't have.
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: You don't have to retain him because for whatever reason
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: they decided, well, we have Kyle Duggar, We're gonna go
• 16:28
  Speaker 8: and sign Adrian Phillips and Jabrill Pepper's you know, and
• 16:34
  Speaker 8: then you know, even after we have all those guys,
• 16:36
  Speaker 8: never gonna get Mapoo. Like I think Mapoo is a
• 16:41
  Speaker 8: little bit of a different like player than those those three,
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: but the other three are very similar players. Now, I
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: think Adrian Phillips is probably nearing the end, but he
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: was a good, solid player for them, Like no one
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: would say, what would you're wasting your time on Adrian
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: Phillips for the last three years, Like he's fine, right,
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: but how different is he than do In Philip in
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: Peppers And how many of those guys do you need?
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: So now they're gonna probably to Evan's point, they're probably
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: gonna let Douger go. Right, Well, we got Peppers and
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: then we drafted, Like, maybe you wouldn't have to draft
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: all of these guys at those positions if you just
• 17:17
  Speaker 8: identify the guy that you like instead of that constant search,
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: rights Fred said, for that perfect guy. So I feel
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: like those three safeties are all very similar in their
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: skill sets. Philip's Peppers in Dougbory.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: To finish the exercise, so let's go twenty twenty one,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: twenty three? Who and those do you think they will
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: give that second contract to?
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: Will?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Will?
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: I mean it's a great question for out of the
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: depending free agent class.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Not just depending free agent, but guys drafted.
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know about I don't know about you,
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: and I don't have a lot of confidence in any.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I know, that's kind of the point.
• 17:56
  Speaker 12: I know, I don't know Mac, I don't know more
• 17:59
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you think you know, I know it's recent,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: but you think Gonzales will get to a second cont
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: you hope anyway, maybe Barmore maybe would he get.
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: To a second to me, yeah, but it's.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: What we think should and then what they will do
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: it with another story.
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: But what happens is I think again it's all case
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: by case because you don't know what these guys are
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: going to get.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Well no, but I'm just saying, like the exercise.
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: Like, if Barbo becomes what I think he's going to become,
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: I do not think he will get a second contract here.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a problem. That's a problem.
• 18:32
  Speaker 12: I know Remandre.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So like he's he's in a catch twenty two. If
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he doesn't become that, then okay, don't give him a
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: second contract. And if he does become that, they don't
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: want to pay him, so like he can't.
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: Well, but like I could see them going to I
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: could see them going to him like next year, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: in the in the off season and he signs a
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: Dietrich Wise extension. Yeah, you know, I could see that
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: happening with Barmore. But like now, if I were Barmore,
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: I would wait.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Right, but I would count that as good if they
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: could convince him to do an early extension. That's smart management.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That's smart to do the player.
• 19:10
  Speaker 12: You trade it up. You know, you showed value.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You're telling the guy you can make more. Some money now,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: or you can wait, but you can get your money
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: in the bank now. Maybe not as much as if
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you wait another year or two, but you'll get your
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: money now. And a lot of players opt for the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: money now, and you know it's it's just a life's
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: decision that they make. But you know, let's keep going
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: down the list. Taekwon Thornton. Nope, no, cold strange.
• 19:34
  Speaker 12: No, I don't know if he's gonna be starting in
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: three weeks, right.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I mean you go down the list, A lot of
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the guys are already gone.
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: You know the option yeah right, no, no, no, I'm being serious.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And he's a first round pick.
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So the fifty year option for him.
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: Is that north of ten million probably?
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: Okay, so like I could see that, but that's not
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: a second contract.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: It's not as that doesn't count. But you know, you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: got to get to your fifth year before you get
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to your you know, get to.
• 20:02
  Speaker 12: Our third year.
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: The fifth year contract is a formula. So like he's
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: it's draft pick and its position, so like he's a guard.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: So max fifth year option right now is projected to
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: be twenty three million in twenty twenty five because he's
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: a quarterback and he's a fifteenth overall, the top half, right, yeah,
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: so that Cold Strangers.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: Might be a little bit more reasonable. Sure, but that's
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: why I was as that before. I said, like completely,
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: but even then, want to.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Make a decision to be made. You know, he's going
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to be paid good money because he was a first
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: round pick, not quarterback money. Uh and you know, but
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: it's a decision to be made.
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: And but that's not good free agency money, no good
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: one year salary.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, but you go down the list, like, who
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: are the guys since twenty since twenty twenty that possibly
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: could make it to a second time.
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: And that's why I like looking at these numbers and
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: then now looking what's become of the twenty twenty two
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: draft class. It's just that, like I feel like that
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: was kind of like one of the final nails in
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: the coffin. I feel like missing on all those draft picks.
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, you just you missed on strange because we
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: missed on Thornton.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: You know because at the time, like a year ago,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: we thought, oh Stevenson, but they don't like doing that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: with running back.
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: No, I wouldn't do that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And now he's shown where entre.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that one I don't put on the team. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: think most yeah, most teams, Yeah, they don't really want
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: to do that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: This is also, I think something to be said for
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: retaining guys because they're your guys and you're trying to
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: build a culture of Look, this guy has some warts
• 21:30
  Speaker 11: in his game or his personality or something that don't
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: make him prototypical Patriots.
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: But these are our guys.
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: We've put a lot of time into them already, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: we want to continue with these guys despite their warts,
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: and we want to send a message to our locker
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: room that you know, when you play well, even if
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: you mess up a couple of times, you know, like, well.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: They do that with some guys.
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: I think that's part of snappers and guards, you know.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm what's Dietrich Wise's deal, for example. I mean,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: but but they keep them they like, they like, they
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: keep them around.
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: The White player him, then Bentley, you know him and Bentley,
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: I mean.
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: He's good, But I always felt like the second they
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: drafted key on White, I'm like, well, this feels like
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: we could finally upgrade Ditrich Wise. I think he's a
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: nice player. I think he's a complimentary player, but you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: you when you look at that list, you say, these
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: are the guys that they chose to build around. This
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: isn't like an elite player. This isn't you know. This
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: was a guy that, even when they gave him the extension,
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: had questions. And I think he's played better the last
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: couple of years. He's rounded out his game, and I
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: think he's, you know, great police in the locker room
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: for sure, but he loves Dietrich but you know he's not.
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: But you're like, I just don't what's the problem with
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: retaining your good players while still seeking out great players.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: Like I feel like this team when you're they just
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: give up on you because you're not an elite player
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: and they go searching for for Fred's golden goose where
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: Like that guy should be tacked on to that, like
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: Kyle Duggar, Christian Barmore, Christian Gonzalez, Juwan Bentley, Like those
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: guys should be here.
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: And then when you add the.
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: Draft picks that you you bring in, or you add
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: the free agent guys that you bring in after that,
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: those guys are in addition to what you already have.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: And I just like dougger and we'll see about Barmore,
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: like he's had three really really good games so far
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: this year. He had a great rookie year. I think
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: I probably need to see a little bit more consistency
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: for him from a long stretch of games to say, like,
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: let's give him some lucrative contract.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: But a guy like.
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: Kyle Duggar, I don't know why that's even a conversation
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: unless he's gonna he's not gonna get stupid money, Like
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: I don't think he's gonna be making like Derwin James
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: make it mikea Fitzpatrick type of safety money. So unless
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: it gets stupid, I don't know why you wouldn't.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Well, some I heard somebody on the radio saying today
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that Douggar's agent is the same agent as somebody else
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: who's coming as agent. They have the same agent, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the Patriots don't necessarily get along with this particular agent.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: I thought it was Oocha's that Andrew Callahan was mentioning.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I thought he said the two Patriots players
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: that are coming up, and I thought he mentioned Douger.
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: But when they were talking about Dougger and then I
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: think they were talking about but you might be right,
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: he might be the same one and the same But
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: I did hear Andrew Kelly and say that he didn't
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: mention the name, So I don't know who the players
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: are involved.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: I don't want to say it because I don't know
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: if I'm right, But I don't know about that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. The other thing about this conversation is we're doing
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it at a disadvantage because we really don't know how
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it works down there.
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: Robert nobody knows how ye Robert Craft has said, evidently
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: does Robert Crafton Washington.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Robert Craft has said he's never had any problem getting players.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: What he doesn't say is is there a budget? So
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: as long as you're within a budget, you don't have
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a problem. But does Bill have to work from that budget?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And that dictates a lot of the decisions he makes.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I have a set amount of money I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: can spend, and that includes money in the future, you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: over cap and cash, and I have to make it
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: work within that.
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: We don't know, Like, we don't know, and we I
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: think we can all reasonably assume that everybody has a budget.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I mean.
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: We don't know what it is.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the whole cash spending that that's real money.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: That's the money that you know.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: And I do think that part of that, like that
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: was a big advantage of the weight because the cap
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: was in the early part of the dynasty, like the
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: three you know era, the cap was constricting and having
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: Tom Brady not have to be you know, blowing it
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: out of the water. But as the cap, you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: it's a catch twenty two for the owners because they
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: make so much more money now because the revenues is
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: so much higher. The cap has grown so big that
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: you don't have those restrictings. Did you see some of
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: these stories about like back to the Raiders thing, like
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: Devonte Adams was close to it deal with the Jet
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: Like so the Jets are like acquiring a sixty million
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: dollar quarterback and they had no qualms whatsoever about adding
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: DeVante Adams for another thirty Yeah, because the cap doesn't matter,
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: you can just manipulate it any way you want. You can.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: But this is the bigger question is if you're willing
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: to spend the money.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, like so the Patriots, I would say,
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: out of all the teams in the league, probably use
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: the least amount of cap. Maneuvering gymnastics at this point
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: and My guess is, and this is something that I'm
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: just I know people think I attack Bill all the time.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: But to Paul's point, this is how it probably used
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: to be run. Yes, and now this is no longer
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: how teams are doing it. So I get this. You
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: know a lot on Twitter, like how does San Francisco
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: with their salary trade for Chase Young and trade for
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: Christian McCaffrey and make all these huge moves for high
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: priced players when they're already spending a ton on their roster.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: And people will tell you it's because they're not paying
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: for the quarterback, which is so simplistic. Yes they're not.
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: They have the last pick of the draft is their quarterback.
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: But they're paying quarterback money, well quarterback adjacent money to
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: a lot of different guys. Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: Or it's like, you know, a couple of years ago,
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: it was a last offseason when the Bills signed von Miller.
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: The Bills have one of like the most cash spending wise,
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: like they are at the near the top of the league,
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: and then they were up against the cap and then
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: somehow they just signed von Miller to this like twenty
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: million dollars a year deal. The Eagles are another team
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: that just buy their way out of it, like they
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: just buy their way out of anything to do with
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: the cap, and that's how you you know, trade for
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: aj Brown and keep it and keep it going.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: But just just so people understand, when you say buy
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: their way out of it, what does that mean.
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: So there's different ways to maneuver the cap. The easiest
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: one is to create base salary into a signing bonus.
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: But in order to create base salary into a signing bonus,
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: you have to write a check to the player. That's right,
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: it's real money, and so you have to hand them
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: a check and say, here's the money for the rest
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: of the season that we would have paid out to
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: you in per game roster bonuses and base salary, but
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: instead we're gonna do it all in one lump sum
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: because you are AJ Brown and you're gonna be worth it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: So we're just gonna give you the money and teams
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: will just do that. And it's kind of you know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: it never comes due like this, this notion that the
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: bill comes due.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Well, it does come due, but you can always it's
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: in perpetuity. But but you can always keep right financing right.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: You can always write like that if exactly if you're not,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: if you don't want to do the gymnastics, eventually it
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: will come due. But there are mechanisms to just keep
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: it going, to just keep it going. The only thing
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: that would kill you is if there's a pandemic and
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden the cap goes down. Now you're
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: kind of screwed because now you have to make serious.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: But as long as the cap remains, even going up
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: a little bit, you can keep moving money to the future.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to you have you need a
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: good accountant, you need someone who understands all the rules
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and can, you know, manipulate.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: You're gonna have to money.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to restructure guys contracts, you know, because
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: even though the cap is crap, you still have to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: stay under it in a fiscal year.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: It still it exists.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it exists.
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: But it's just money. But Kevin just explained it perfect.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: But you can move that money to the future.
• 29:39
  Speaker 14: Now.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: The other thing that people need to understand when we
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: get to that writing the check, not only not all
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: owners are equal. There are some owners that have that
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: liquidity to just do that, and other owners that don't,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and you think that all all teams have
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the same amount of money. They don't. They don't. The
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys have more money than any other team, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I would say the Rams probably are there too because
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of their owner. He's dipping into his own pockets. He's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: not when he does that extra stuff, he's not. That's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: not his normal budget. That's going above and beyond their
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: normal budget.
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: What would you put the Raiders on that list?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Very low? Yeah, I would say very low. And I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: think I think the Raiders do it. Yeah, the Raiders
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: have overseers. Mark Davis, he's not you know, like, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: think he has helped from the league when it comes
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to decisions on that team.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: Oh, I just think that they're willing to swallow dead money.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it just look at what they're paying for two
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: coaches right now.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: How much of this stuff do you think?
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: And I'm just putting this out there for discussion. The
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: thing I read off about not really retaining your guys.
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: Do you think that all this cap stuff and money
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: stuff feeds into that. Do you think that that's a factory.
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: Do you think that it's more about Yeah?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Well do I do? And that's why I said before.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: We're at a disadvantage because we don't know we don't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: know how the Patriots operate in terms of their budget,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: not just the cap, like no, the budget.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: Well because he always says, Bill always says that we
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: spend to the cap. But the issue is is that
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: everybody else is spending past the cap, right, so nobody
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: else spends to the cap anymore, everybody else. You know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: the Philadelphia Eagles I think are in the top three
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: of cash spending. They are way way, way over the
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: cap in terms of how much money they spend on
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: the team in a year. But they're able to do
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: it because they have these you know, nerds behind the
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: scenes that just figure out how to move the money
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: around and make it work. And I think in a
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: lot of ways, like Paul, we were talking about this yesterday.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: You know, if they give I think we were talking
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: about Chase Young, If they give Chase Young twenty million dollars,
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: is that are they then going to go give to
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: Higgins twenty million dollars?
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: And that that's.
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: Where you run into issues, is that if you're going
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: to start paying a bunch of high priced players at
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: the top of your roster, you have to be willing
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: to maneuver the cap, and if you're not willing to
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: do that, then you're not gonna get those Yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, other than like your coach and quarterback, maybe
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the most important person on any team is the person
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: who is your not your capolysist, but your accountant, the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: person who understands all the rules and can get these
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: future deals by the league, because the league has to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: approve every every deal. You submit the deal to the league,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it goes into this thing called the Management Council. It's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: all online, like every team has visibility into every other
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: team's deal, and you can't bend the rules. You got
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: to adhere to the rules, but you know understanding what
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: those rules are and not being afraid to like, I'm
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: not gonna worry about five years from now. You know
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: we're gonna push it out. When we get to five years,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: we'll deal with it then.
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: The one thing I slightly disagree with you on Fred
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: is I don't think now it's all about future, Like
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: I don't think the bill's going to eventually come do.
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: I think what Evan explained is you do the opposite.
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: If you just write the check and give them the
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: money up front, it lessens the future problem. It allows
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: you to spread the caper out, but you've given them
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: the money.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those in those deals.
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: You're right, No, But I think that's like a major
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: mechanism that people create catch.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: I just feel like people think that it's eventually, you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: like at the beginning of Rocky, He's like goes down
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: to the docks to collect right, Like eventually the league
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: is going to come in, like bring some bully to
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: come collect the money.
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: That's not happening, Like, the league is not going anywhere.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: New Orleans Saints right now. Okay, the New Orlean Saints are.
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: They're okay, Like we saw them here and we were
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: talking about it heading in, you know, with Michael Thomas
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: and Chris Olave and you know Cam Jordan and Derek
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: Carr and Alvin Kamara, and you're like, I know that
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: no one thinks much of the Saints, but they have
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: a lot of players that I think I would like
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: to have on the Patriots. They every year come February
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: wearing Capture Hill. It's all over Twitter. The Saints are
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: projected to be seventy three million over the cap, and
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: somehow they find a way to retain most of those
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: names that everybody's familiar with and remain a competitive team. Now,
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: Derek Carr isn't as good as Drew Brees, so they're
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: no longer a title contender. I get it. But they
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: were able to acquire a guy, give them some money.
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: They gave him pretty good contract for a starting quarterback
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: in the league. It's not like that they have a cheap,
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: you know, rookie deal and they're okay, so it's not
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: a train wreck. But every year everybody tells me, what
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: a train wreck?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: But let me so, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: What happens when you're top heavy in terms you've got
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to start and you don't have the quarterback? Can can
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you win that way?
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: Well?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And you know my point, and you don't have that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: middle class that the Patriots have always talked about.
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: My point is they're telling you, they're showing you, yes
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: they can.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: No, they're not gonna win. They don't have a shot.
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: Win what the super Bowl? Oh okay, yeah, So I
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: mean if that's there's twenty eight teams that can't win
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: the Super Bowl.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't I don't agree with that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: So just twenty just to kind of because I know
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: that a lot of people probably like lost in the
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: math here. So the Baltimore Ravens this year are the
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: number one team in total cash spending, probably because they
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: just gave Lamar Jackson that huge contract, right, So they're
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: number one in the league in cash spending. They are
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: spending two hundred and eighty one million dollars on their
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: roster for twenty twenty three. The salary cap is two
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: hundred and twenty four million, so they're spending sixty million
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: dollars more than what the cap says they should be
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: able to spend on the team because they are doing
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: all these different things.
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: And no one is suggesting that any team should do
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: that every year. I mean, there are rules in place
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: that you can't do that every year, but no one
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: is suggesting the Patriots are dropping the ball. They should
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: be sixty million over the cap and cash spending every year.
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: No one can do that, Like you said, Fred, everybody
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: has a budget. Yeah, and I get that. Like these
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: are all just sort of different elements of Mike's original
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: question about the second contracts.
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they are spending almost one hundred million
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: dollars more on their team this year than the Patriots,
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: Like that's crazy and it's not. Look, cash spending does
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: not equate to winning, like number one is Baltimore and
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: number two is the Cleveland Browns.
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: So and again all about the quarterback contract which hasn't worked.
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: Now Baltimore is is working, but that's you know, it's
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: not a guarantee. Like to Evan's point, guy has a
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: labor issue. He hasn't played in a month. They're a
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: pretty good team, Like you could see the talent on them.
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: They should have won that game in Seattle the other
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: day with PJ. Walker again doing nothing this fantastic. Their
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: defense is pretty good. They have some skilled guys. They
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: just don't have a quarterback because the quarterback is hurt
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: and because and he wasn't playing all that great before k.
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: But you know, the Jets are number three again another
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: team that's paying their quarterback, and then Buffalo is number four.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: So I would argue that maybe, with the exception of Cleveland,
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: those other three teams absolutely at full strength are super
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: Bowl contenders.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Correct. Oh, Jets for sure, and if.
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: And if Watson played the majority of the games like
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: you did that one game, they would be a super
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: Bowl contender too.
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: They were getting on Watson, the return on investment on Watson,
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: they would be a super Bowl team.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: Right, So to you a point, Freddie, maybe it's more
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: like ten teams that have a legitimate chance to win
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: the super Bowl, but then five.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm just thinking that, you know, the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Patriot way was to have that middle class. Unfortunately they
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: could never prove it because they had Tom Brady, Like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you could never prove that that works without the best
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: prayer of all time.
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: It's a great summation of you know, because we I
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: make fun of Mike all the time. This is this
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: predates you, Evan. I always call Mike. He still believes
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: in Santa Claus like, he still thinks it's because all
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: of those things. You know, it's not about the best
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: fifty three, it's the right fifty three. Yeah, as long
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: as number twelve as one of the fifty three, Yes,
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: you can have any philosophy you want, you'll be a contender.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: He makes them all work.
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they were doing because like when they were doing
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: a miked up thing for the Bruins, I behind the
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: be and it was like roster cutdown day and one
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: of the players was like I think Pasa is gonna
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: make it. I don't know, and it's like, you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: it's it. That was how it was with Brady. Would
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: always say like, oh, I got to make the team
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: and you know, and it was like, seriously, guy. But
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: I still think even with Brady though, like they still
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: had Gronkowski, they still had Edelman, they still had you know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: guys on the other side of the football, you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: High Tower and Devin mccorty and players like that. So
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: as much as I feel like they've also lost sight
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: of the fact that they also had other stars, Like
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: Gronkowski was his own star, and I think Gronkowski playing
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: with probably thirty other quarterbacks would have still been Rob Gronkowski.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, Gronk for sure. But do you think Edelman would.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: Have maybe maybe not just because of the system. I
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: think here probably brought out the best in him.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: But do you think that having Brady in those points
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: made it easier on guys like mccordy to play defense?
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: Yep, sure, I think the offense.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a huge trickle down effect from having
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It helps everybody.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Gronk is an example who is a
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: standalone He's a Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's a you
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: would have been.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: It's funny each each year Tom Brady just gets a
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: little more credit.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: He sure does, it, sure does.
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: It's absolutely right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you get away, you appreciate it more.
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: And Fred and I will tell you, Mike, how's it
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: feel now?
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah? Fred and I will tell you that we were
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: not on that side and I were both more on
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: the you know, never like one hundred to zero, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: more like maybe sixty forty.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Bill. I always thought, right, each made the other great great?
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: But didn't you always give Bill more? I did? Maybe
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: I'm speaking for you. I always gave Bill Moore the credit.
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: Well that I gave you Tom. I think when I
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: was wrong when we had the poll. You can only
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: have one at the time, we said the coach.
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: I just wonder if, like is it is. I don't
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: think that Bill a coach, for it is no longer
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: a good coach.
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: Or forgot how to coach.
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: He still knows how to coach, but it's the personnel stuff,
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: like he just he's lost touch with how to build
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: a modern NFL roster.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember when he first got here, Robert Kraft said,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the other things that I like
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: about him. He has an economics degree from Wesley, and
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: so he understands the economics. But now those fundamentals of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: economics have been blown out the window. It's now credit card.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It's not the family budget and you know, let's have
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a balanced budget. It doesn't That's not how it is anymore.
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: I'm going to disagree a little bit, Okay. I mean,
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: I think that coaching is a complex thing. There's a
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: certain aspect of knowing the game and knowing strategy and
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: how to do things. There's also a major element of
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: coaching getting the team on the same page, getting the
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: team to follow you. Now, you know, Paul makes his
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: jokes about me still believing in Santa Claus. The Santa
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: Claus I believe in is that the best.
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: Teams are teams that all kind of like each other.
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: That's what I like.
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: You know, I get like the Fuoli quote, and we
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: can you know, we joke about that. It's fine, but
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: I truly believe that. And it's hard to engineer. You
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: can't go out and just find guys that are all
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: going to get along. There's a certain like, you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: just magic too. We all played sports in high school
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: where you just kind of end up on a team
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: and you get who you get on your team. From
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: my experience, the teams that were all kind of on
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: separate pages and you know, you had this kind of personality,
• 41:18
  Speaker 11: didn't really like, didn't do too well.
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: Teams that you all felt like a family and did well.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Those are first, the winning and everyone each other, you know.
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: And let me get back to my point though.
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: But my point is that I don't think this looks
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: like a team that's all on the same page, that's
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: all pulling for the coach and so like I and
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: so I think that that's a criticism that I totally
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: right about the personnel stuff that's killed them.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: But is that more an indictment on the modern athlete.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: It's not even just the NFL, like perhaps, great, we're
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: all together.
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: Perhaps, I mean perhaps look, you know, he's been doing
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: it forever, and it is the modern athlete.
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: It's it's it's a hard thing, you know.
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: I mean you can't really quantify what it is, but
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: I just you know, look a well cool like, have
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: we seen a well coached team?
• 42:00
  Speaker 12: There?
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: Is that a well coached team that's making stupid mistakes
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: over and over and over again, Like, you know, all
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: respect to Bill and the greatest coach of all time, YadA, YadA, YadA,
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: but like, look, this is what we're seeing. I'm not
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: seeing a well coached team. So I'm sure he's a
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: great coach. He knows everything, but whatever, he's not pushing
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: the right buttons.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the evolution of the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Patriots in the early and the first part of the dynasty,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: he had those seasoned coaches.
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: And Lockerham policed itself.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: And then as those coaches started leaving, you know, Brady
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: got better. So Brady got made up for the brain drain,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you know. But then it got to a point.
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: Where I agree with you, Mike. I know you said,
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: like you want to push back a little bit. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: think everything you said is right. I just would give
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: more of the credit in retrospect. I didn't think it
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: at the time, but in retrospect, I give more of
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: the credit for that mentality to Brady. In the uniting fact,
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: like I've heard enough of these stories now about these
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: sort of random guys that were like blown away by
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: the fact that he even knew who they were. Like,
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: I think that he was a bigger part of that
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: than we ever imagined. And it's the same coach now
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: and you're talking about all the things, and I think
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: you were one hundred percent right. I just wanded a
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: Buffalo game. What other game could you point to this
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: year that they looked like a really well oyal.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Teach And just think of the tone that Brady said
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: at practice, like we hear now this what we've always
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: heard the stories about how he made every practice so
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: damn competitive, you know and demanding, and it like practice
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: was almost like a game between the offensive defense and
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you know, guys wanted to win that day, and you
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: had guys like you know, Rodney Harrison who bought into
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: that you know, hook line and sinker like you know
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: in you know, it was like the back and forth
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: and practice was like a game.
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: What was that story that Rabel told, I mean, Belichick
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: told that Rabel's time about Rabel serving as like Troy Polamalu, yeah,
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: you know, and he's like as a quarterback didn't like
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: it very much, you know, yeah, right, like all of
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: a sudden, they have a going.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: On because he's not doing it right.
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: I think go too with that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: Defensive group, which you know, was it was a big
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: part of those first three championships that I think that
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: Bill was kind of the right thing for that group
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: because you had a you know, you had a veteran
• 44:12
  Speaker 11: corps that had been to a super Bowl before.
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: That kind of knew Bill a little bit.
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: And I think, you know, that style I think just
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: worked for them, like that early three oh four defense.
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: Like you know, I think the buttons that Bill was
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: able to push, I think had had a big impact
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: to I mean not you know, not to take away
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: from what Brady did, but I think he was a
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: really good.
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: For those years, you know.
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: And and now it's a different team, and now you've
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: got a lot of young guys that weren't here for that,
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: and you know, they they have an idea in their
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: head of what they watched on TV as children watching
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: the Patriots.
• 44:42
  Speaker 12: It's not that.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And Bill's style worked perfectly for That's what Brady wanted.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: He wanted no nonsense, he wanted guys, and that's what
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Bill wanted, and they were they were completely in sync
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: those early years.
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: And then you can really tap what you know Bill,
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: which no one is going to argue that Bill doesn't
• 44:59
  Speaker 11: have an insight glopedic knowledge of the NFL and schemes
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: and everything that's happened and all of that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 12: But you know, it's one thing to know all that stuff.
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: Then that's another to look at what Mike McDaniel's doing
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: in Miami and trying to figure out how to stop it,
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: and hello, we haven't been able to stop it, you know,
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: So at what point do we say, hey, greatest coach
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: of all time, we need we need to be able
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: to beat Miami Dolphins if we're going to get back
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: into this thing. There were division rival you're paying them
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: two years in a row, and for the second time
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: in two years and really should have probably been three
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: years in a row, you've gotten swept by them.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you know, me and Paul I think
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: disagree maybe a little bit on Mac's ability on the field.
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: But the thing that you said yesterday about like his
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: leadership and the confidence and like the intangible stuff that
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: is I really like feel like that's come to light
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: for me this year because I gave him a pass
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: on all that stuff when he was because he was
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: a young player, you know, rookie second year guy, not
• 45:53
  Speaker 9: really what you're expecting to be sort of carrying the
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: torch at the front of the line necessarily. But now
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: he's in year three. I just I think that that's
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: a big thing that is currently missing from him, is
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: that I don't know if he's got that in factor,
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: that leadership like, and it's not just about like the
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: raw ras speeches and stuff like that. It's just like
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: oozing confidence and you know that that ability to lead
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: by example, and I think that was what Brady had.
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: Like when Brady, you know, for a couple of years
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: that I got to cover him. When Brady would walk
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: into the locker room, the press conference room, whatever, it
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: was like, oh shit, Tom Brady's in here, you know
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: what I mean, Like yeah, and I didn't even notice,
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: and it was it was just you could tell that
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: he right and who he was.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And again, we don't see the practices. We see training camp,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: but we don't see the practice during the season. If
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the if, the if if a majority of the practices,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: you know, focusing on getting that quarterback better, the rest
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: of the team's like, yeah, spend another this time trying
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: to get one guy to do the right thing.
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: But the funny part about what Evan says to this
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: is real quick, Mike, look, just I felt like Mac
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: had a lot of those qualities as a rookie. Yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: it was last year that kind of opened my eyes.
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: Like I get that there was a lot of things
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: that weren't fair to him last year, but you got
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: to be able to handle some of them better than
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: he handled them. And now I think that's carried over
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: into this year.
• 47:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I was, I mean, I was just gonna say,
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: you know, it's it's I mean, Evan used the example
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: of Tom Brady, which, of course by that point, like
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: he's just a superstar and he has that, but even
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: like you know, just Will Levice in his first start
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: last week, just looking at him on the field, you're
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: like this.
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: Guy, like, this guy looks like you can play. I mean,
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: you know, like there's just something about Yeah, I mean
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: like Tom.
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: Brady Richardson, you know, like you look at him and
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: you're like, I'm on board, you know some stuff, you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: there's some stuff there, and like Mac like I think,
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: I like, I don't know, I'm kind of more on Evan's.
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: Side, where Brady is like probably obviously an unfair bar.
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: But yeah, unfortunately we didn't get to cover Cam in
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: person because the cod but cam cam was another guy
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: that like that was Cam Newton, like Heisman Trophy, MVP
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: like that that that guy carried weight where he was and.
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: It was bad, like he didn't play well. He didn't
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: play well.
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: But it wasn't because people didn't believe in him. And
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: I remember, you know, Jacoby talking about it. It was
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: his second year and Jacoby just being like, I mean
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: Cam Newton, like, of course I'm going to listen to
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: the advice that he has for my career, and and
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: it just those are the types of guys that I
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: feel that that And I don't I look so much
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: at that at the film the x's and knows and
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: all that stuff, like you don't really think about the
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: person and the intangibles and the next guy's got to
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: have that it factor.
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: I feel like if Mac had those intangibles coming out
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: of his pockets like a lot of other guys do,
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: I think his skill set would be fine. So like
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: to like Evan started that by saying, we probably disagree
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: a little bit. We probably do. You're right, but I
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: do think I've seen guys succeed with his level of skill,
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: and I think what holds them back sometimes is some
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: of these other things.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: All Right, good discussion, Paulic. We're gonna Yeah, We're gonna refuel.
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• 50:05
  Speaker 16: You know in four years, you did a lot, but
• 50:07
  Speaker 16: you wanted to start. Did you get a sense, maybe
• 50:09
  Speaker 16: on that visit or early on Mike that these guys
• 50:12
  Speaker 16: had a good idea of how to use you.
• 50:14
  Speaker 17: Well, I can remember having a conversation with Bill and
• 50:17
  Speaker 17: him saying, hey, really, all we need is what you
• 50:20
  Speaker 17: did in that preseason game last year against Miami. And
• 50:24
  Speaker 17: I'm thinking I don't even remember playing Miami in the preseason,
• 50:28
  Speaker 17: but Bill had gone back and he had watched and
• 50:30
  Speaker 17: there were clips that he must have seen that there
• 50:33
  Speaker 17: was a vision for probably an extended playtime at that
• 50:38
  Speaker 17: point in time in the preseason or whatever it was.
• 50:43
  Speaker 17: And so then I started thinking, Okay, well, at least
• 50:45
  Speaker 17: you know they have an idea of how they want
• 50:47
  Speaker 17: to use me or what I maybe able to do there.
• 50:51
  Speaker 17: Bill had talked about the opportunity, not guaranteeing anything, but
• 50:55
  Speaker 17: saying that there would be a spot at you know,
• 50:57
  Speaker 17: available pretty much at outside linebacker where you know they
• 51:00
  Speaker 17: would have some other players to compete with, and then
• 51:04
  Speaker 17: see where things were.
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: When you look at the way your years unfolded, it's
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: almost like it was a perfect system for you. I mean,
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: did you catch that right away, like they really want
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: to use me exactly to you know, my skills.
• 51:17
  Speaker 17: Wasn't being misused at Pittsburgh. I had just transitioned from
• 51:20
  Speaker 17: a couple of different positions, you know, was rotating in
• 51:24
  Speaker 17: and was getting some playing time three and four years
• 51:28
  Speaker 17: in special teams and third down packages, whatever that may be.
• 51:32
  Speaker 17: But this was a new opportunity, some carryover from Pittsburgh,
• 51:38
  Speaker 17: some different and then as things progressed and.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: It was you know, learn this position.
• 51:43
  Speaker 17: I actually I think I played two seasons inside linebacker
• 51:47
  Speaker 17: or that season and a half at some point in time,
• 51:50
  Speaker 17: and you'll find myself at different spots.
• 51:54
  Speaker 12: Do you.
• 51:54
  Speaker 16: I've heard this from many ex players, guys who you
• 51:56
  Speaker 16: played with and everything like that. Were you able to
• 51:58
  Speaker 16: get away with more as far as like maybe busting
• 52:01
  Speaker 16: Bill's ball?
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the time is that is
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: that overrated? No, I don't think it's overrated. I think
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: that there is.
• 52:08
  Speaker 17: Like I said yesterday, I think I said things that
• 52:10
  Speaker 17: everybody wanted to say, and I probably was just dumb
• 52:13
  Speaker 17: enough to say it. I sometimes say the quiet part
• 52:16
  Speaker 17: out loud sometimes unfortunately, but it's all timing and sometimes.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's a it's a it's a.
• 52:24
  Speaker 17: Turn to punch bowl and doesn't always work, but sometimes
• 52:27
  Speaker 17: it works out pretty good. But but that takes a
• 52:31
  Speaker 17: little bit of time and it takes you know, again,
• 52:33
  Speaker 17: you have to be willing to take it if you
• 52:35
  Speaker 17: want to give it. And I think that Bill always
• 52:38
  Speaker 17: was very conscious of that, whether that's players to Bill
• 52:42
  Speaker 17: or Bill to us. You know, he knew that, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 17: we had to sit there and and take it when
• 52:49
  Speaker 17: we got the low lights and you know, we'd be
• 52:51
  Speaker 17: on the bellustrator and it would be like what we
• 52:54
  Speaker 17: can't do? And so it just it was a good
• 52:57
  Speaker 17: situation with a bunch of really good teammates that that
• 52:59
  Speaker 17: all kind of rally behind that.
• 53:01
  Speaker 16: Do you think maybe, I mean, you were able to
• 53:03
  Speaker 16: back it up with you play though, Mike, I don't
• 53:04
  Speaker 16: know if that's a fifty third or fifty fourth guy
• 53:06
  Speaker 16: that was trying to crack wise, it might be different. Well,
• 53:10
  Speaker 16: you you were a guy on all three phases of
• 53:12
  Speaker 16: the game.
• 53:13
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, but I think that that's what makes
• 53:16
  Speaker 17: a locker room. It's just different personalities. Again, you have
• 53:21
  Speaker 17: to perform on the field and then whatever your personality is.
• 53:25
  Speaker 17: I think that was there was no restrictions on, Hey,
• 53:28
  Speaker 17: we just want a bunch of robots. That's I think
• 53:30
  Speaker 17: that was the impression that everybody had, and we certainly
• 53:33
  Speaker 17: weren't that.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: The best thing about Mike, and I told you this
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: a million times, Mike didn't care who he was busting on. Professional.
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: I used to call you a professional ballbuster.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: That's what you were.
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: I'd come in with like a TV shirt on one
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: day and he goes, look at this fraud. He's got
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: TV and it didn't matter. He treated all of us
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: the same, and I think that's probably permeated the locker room,
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: and he guarded respect in that way.
• 53:54
  Speaker 17: Well again, I think the fact that if you have
• 53:58
  Speaker 17: a relationship with somebody, I think that's when you kind
• 54:01
  Speaker 17: of go back and forth with them.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: It's like having a nickname.
• 54:03
  Speaker 17: You don't have a nickname, you know, there's no such
• 54:05
  Speaker 17: thing as a bad nickname, just the appreciative that you
• 54:07
  Speaker 17: have a nickname. That means that they know who you
• 54:09
  Speaker 17: are and that you're kind of a part of the group.
• 54:13
  Speaker 17: And if you don't have a nickname, you know, you
• 54:14
  Speaker 17: better try to figure out why. And so it was
• 54:18
  Speaker 17: whether it was a relationship with the media, you know
• 54:22
  Speaker 17: it was a two way street. Assistant coaches and certainly teammates.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Much has been made.
• 54:28
  Speaker 16: You played in a different era of believe it or not,
• 54:30
  Speaker 16: where and as during your career the league was starting
• 54:33
  Speaker 16: to legislate against defenses hard hitting and everything like that.
• 54:37
  Speaker 16: When you look back at the Warner play Ties interception,
• 54:41
  Speaker 16: I just thought it was very generous of Tie to
• 54:43
  Speaker 16: give you credit yesterday to are you gonna get flagged
• 54:45
  Speaker 16: for that if that play happens today?
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Do you think? I don't know.
• 54:48
  Speaker 17: I mean, I think that what we've talked about is
• 54:50
  Speaker 17: matching the hand, and they've they've they've changed here in
• 54:53
  Speaker 17: the last year or two about what's forcible.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, you know what I mean, I
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: should have gotten there sooner, to be honest with. They
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: didn't block men.
• 55:00
  Speaker 17: It was just a lucky play and tied it all
• 55:02
  Speaker 17: the work. And but whether it's you know, as long
• 55:05
  Speaker 17: as it's not forcible. You know, we've talked about matching
• 55:08
  Speaker 17: a hand and the same thing that they teach here
• 55:10
  Speaker 17: and you know everybody else is trying to teach.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: And didn't hit the football. I'm glad that I did
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: it so that Ty was able to catch it the score.
• 55:33
  Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no
• 55:38
  Speaker 18: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 55:42
  Speaker 18: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where
• 55:45
  Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery only.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: And now great moments in.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: History.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: I know you.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I mean what it's toime freaking break.
• 55:59
  Speaker 8: I know you're fine, you know it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I know it hurt him last year, like they didn't
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: win the super Bowl enough.
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: See this is what this is slow September.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did slow them down in September.
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, this is this is why you can't have conversations
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: with him, because I I know that instead of remaining yes, yes,
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: you know what, it's a fact based on what you
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: just said that they won the super Bowl because he
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: didn't show up for the off season, I said, that's
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: what you're trying to insinuate.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I said it didn't hurt them. I'm not I'm not insinuating.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it didn't hurt them. They won the Super Bowl.
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: Would be and that's why my warrior.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Now again you're putting words in my mind.
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: Well I well, well I'm going to insinuate that it
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: did hurt. If he was here, they could have maybe
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: they didn't would have taken seventeen weeks to get the
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: offense in tune if he was here. I mean, if
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: we could just make stuff up, then I'm going to
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: do it too.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: That's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 11: I wouldn't chart my way to those waters either, just.
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  Speaker 8: Don't know where it is now.
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  Speaker 19: Right?
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  Speaker 14: I want to go back to conversation that Fred and
• 59:49
  Speaker 14: and Paul had prior to the season starting and regarding
• 59:54
  Speaker 14: mac Jones. And I'm not trying to dog pile on
• 59:56
  Speaker 14: mac Jones, but I think, and I'm paraphrasing, but Fred question,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 14: what's going to take for this team to make the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 14: playoffs and make a real run. And I think Paul said,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 14: I don't think he said elite, Paul, but I think
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 14: he said, I think the quarterback has to be excellent,
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  Speaker 14: and I think through it safe to stay through a game.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 14: We haven't seen it. We've seen it for a game.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 14: I don't think we're going to see it for the
• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:23
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  Speaker 14: the product on the field is lacking, the product in
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  Speaker 14: studio study is on point, goes above and beyond.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: So right, thank you very much. Appreciate that it's because
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: of callers like you. Todz in North Carolina, what's up, Todd.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I just listened to your early talking about
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: drafting and everything, and it just kind of something dawned
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: on me. We're a to take a chance team when
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: it comes to drafting offense. Like even the best guy
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: that we've ever got. Brady was a chance. You know,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: it was the seventh round. You take a look at
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: bringing in Edelman and bringing up even bringing Walker from
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: the the Dolphins. I was like, hey, you guys are good,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: Let's take a chance on Bronk, big chance, you know,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: bumping Nikhil.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 14: Harry is like, hey, look.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: He's got something we might want take it. They don't
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: go for solid like I think with Gunzels that was
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: a solid pick. I think with a lot of their
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: defensive picks they go for solid, they see it. You know,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: I think the solid pick would have been Zay Flowers.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: To be honest with you, I don't understand why they
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: can't just take solid picks on offense. I think there's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: something missing in their offensive mindset. They just don't seem
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: to be able to figure it out. And I don't
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: know why. I don't know what it is.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 8: You guys, they've struggled. Yeah, it's a good point identifying.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, that's that's true.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 11: I don't really attach Harry into that, like.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: I just think I don't think Harry was like in
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 8: that category. But I agree with Todd's overall points.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah, And I mean it's just the fact that they
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 11: hit on Gronk and they hit on Adaman, like you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 11: know what I mean, they just you know.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 12: They drafted him.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 11: They you know, they had a plan, like you know,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 11: give them credit for that, but you know, if those
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 11: picks hadn't happened, like where else are different?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: To me? Identity Christian Gonzalez is not the same as
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: J C. Jackson.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think my frustration with their offensive drafting is
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: that they they somehow figure it out like on Day
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 9: three or an undrafted free agency even recently, but then
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 9: they don't target those traits early. So for example, Pop
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: Douglas is a perfect fit for the Bill O'Brien offense
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: because of his quickness and his ability with the football
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: in his hands. So instead they drafted Taekwon Thornton, who
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: is a linear burner that is a deep threat to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: get up the field. So my whole thing has always
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: just been why are we not drafting Pop Douglas is
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: equivalent Flowers that's in a version, yea prospect And like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: back in you know, I was texting with Barth as
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: we always do about everything and football wise, I mean,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 9: and he was said, you know, in twenty nineteen we
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: were talking about Terry McLaurin, and he was like, you know,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 9: we were running the board, we probably would have taken
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: Terry McLaurin, and it's like that that was he was
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 9: a route runner, he has good hands, he goes over
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: the middle, he plays on special teams.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: Like that's a Patriot.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: But instead they they took Nikhil Harry And so it's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 9: why can you you know what traits work for you?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: You know what players like Cole Strange? Since when does
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 9: like an athletic guard, Like, no, Mike on wen who
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: is a Patriots guard, But you took Mike on Win
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: who in the sixth round and he took Cole Strange
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: in the first round.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: It just is it's all backwards.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 11: Do you think twenty twenty two really was like a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 11: schematic departure in terms of that's.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 12: The only thing because large strong like they just they went.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: They did so many I've heard a lot about and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: I've seen some good breakdowns some people have had on Twitter.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: I don't I don't believe it. I don't think that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: they had a And you know, I talked a little
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: bit in the preseason to James Ferrence was one of
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 8: our players that we got on a preseason game production
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: meeting and I talked to him about the differences in
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: the offenses, you know, from Josh to last year to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: Billy Oh, and He's like, it's it's really a lot
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: of a lot of the same stuff. It's now. This
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: is also a guy who, let's face it, is like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: a coach James Ferrins.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: He literally he coaches the offensive line, comes on the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: road to coach the offensive line.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: So I get it. He might, you know, for him
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: it might not be the same as it would be
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: for someone else. But he feels like the base system
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: didn't really change. Now. They certainly had plays that they accentuated.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 8: We can talk a lot, and I know Evan can
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: talk for days about the differences in the way they
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: tried to run the ball and you know, the zones
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: in the come on on, my favorite phrase that you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: used in the running game pin and polls, come on
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: didn't give me. I'm a simple man. I just need.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 11: I just need what I would.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: Have been a one.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 9: I love a good cracks great, it's a great scheme.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: But anyways, felt like it felt like there was a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 8: little to all three, all three systems, even though they
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: probably have some yeah, different, It's it's a talking point
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: that comes.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 12: Up a lot with you know, Pierre Pierre Strong.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: So finding a way to contribute a little bit. So
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: he has forty one catching run the other.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: Day, that's his only catch on the year.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: No, I know, he hasn't been a huge part.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 9: But the thing is about Pierre Strong and that trade
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: still bugs me. Like he was the only scat back
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: you had on the team. He's the only guy that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 9: has that skill set, he's the only explosive guy in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 9: space on the roster, and they it's just it's another
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: one of those things.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: Like you traded a guy for someone who didn't ever
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: even play in an NFL, not once, Like Pierre Strong
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: played and played okay, and you can tell me, okay,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: he doesn't really fit what we want to do. I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 8: get it, Okay, great when we moved on, but like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 8: you just gave him away and you know, we weren't
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: even supposed to entertain the idea of perhaps trading josh
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: Ucha for like a fifth round pick, Like we just
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: gave Pierre Strong away for nothing. I know, really, and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: we couldn't even talk about the trade deadline.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 12: It's crazy for how bad.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 11: They needed tackles, and they made that trade, which they
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 11: gave up the most for. And then like, is Tyron
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 11: Whitley even going to be part of the team next year?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 12: Like is that? Like, like you said, do we just
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 12: burn Pierre strong like we just said?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: And again, I'm not I don't think that we'll be
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 8: sitting here in five years spread saying what Pierre strong Man,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: we could have had him, we had him. I don't
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: think that that will happen. But it doesn't mean that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: he was completely valueless. You traded him for no value, right.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 11: Well, especially if you know Zekeeru Romander gets hurt here
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 11: in the next you know, a few weeks or something,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 11: and you don't have any depth behind them at all.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 11: You mean, you're just right to Kevin Harris and there's
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 11: somebody else on the practice squad. There's a running back,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 11: Patrick Taylor.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 8: I know there was a time Fred where I knew
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 8: all the practice squad.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Evan Evans left for practice. So when he gets back,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: we'll get that update. In the meantime, let's go to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: ide in Florida. What's up?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: I Hey, I've been listening if my first season, listening
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: to you guys, and I've been a fan for about
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: fifteen years.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I wanted to say welcome.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: I really wish I would have started listening earlier.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you can go back and listen to the archives.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: I want to ask guys. Sadly Evan left, but I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: was going to say, what team do you think would
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: be better if you put a prime Tom Brady on
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: this roster? Or if you put a Mac Jones on
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: like our sixteen, seventeen eighteen rosters where we went to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: three consecutive Super Bowls. So I just wanted to give
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: your guys this.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: That's a great question.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: The team would be better?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: That's a yeah, that's a good interest.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: I that's a good introduction though. Brady, Yeah, come on,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: don't you think that's a.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Brady on this team? You know everybody's healthy again? Yeah,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Or I think Brady on this team?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I do too. And you're lucky you picked that
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: way because how good you told me the defense was yesterday.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 8: That was the right answer for you, Very very consistent.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: Thank you were very consistent there. I would agree with you, guys,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: And it.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 11: Gives you nightmares trying to think a Mac trying to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 11: hit Cooks downfield.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: You'd be like, oh, they're not getting my guy the ball.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: They have to do a double pass somebody, somebody. Some
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: people say, you know Brady and Foxboro High.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 11: Foxboro Highs got some big kids. I'm telling you I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 11: saw him play a few weeks ago. They got a
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 11: three hundred pounders.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: They moved their way all the way down to Division five.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: Thankfully I don't have to worry about playing them because
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: then I decided to ban us from the post.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 12: The division still work.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 11: Division one is the best in division because like the biggest,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 11: but it's not quality of competition like well no, but
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 11: generally those things correlated.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: There are plenty of teams in Division five that could.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 8: Foxborough is one of them. Yeah, you know, Handover is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: another one they could. They could beat teams in higher divisions. Yeah,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: f Wick Wick has beaten teams in higher divisions this year,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: but they couldn't play with like Saint John's Prep or CM. Yeah,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: those are just too big.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: And als in Wisconsin.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: What's up?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: Al?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: Hey, Uh, So I've got a taken development that I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: kind of wanted your thoughts.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: So I'm thinking, obviously we've been talking a lot about
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: what the future is going to be, and I think
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: most people here agree that. They start of like to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: see the season played out and then Bill and the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: team sort of part ways amicably and kind of move
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: onto the future. But then I'm seeing like the news
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: about the contract coming out, and then the other day
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: on the radio, Bill saying that, you know, he can't
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: possibly be coach n GM, and it feels like he's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: sort of absolving himself of that. So I almost feel
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: like Bill setting himself up to be like, hey, they're
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: gonna have to fire me if I'm not here next year,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: Like I'm not taking responsibility to this line.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I don't take it like that.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: I'm a thousand percent with l Okay. I do think
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: that he's there's something to it.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: You think he's absolving himself.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: I think he's trying to say both, like he's sort
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: of separating himself from the personnel side. I don't think
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: that's working because I don't think anybody buys it. But
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: more importantly, I think he's trying to say, yeah, I'm
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: not just gonna make it easy for you to walk away.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: I intend to keep coaching, and if you want another
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 8: coach here, you're gonna.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 12: Have to fire him.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Well, do you do you think he was also kind
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: of telling us that some of my duties have been
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: taken away.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 12: I don't think so, No, I don't.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 11: I think this is somewhat maybe just another one of
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: these situations where it feels like he's kind of I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 11: feel it was almost with the we have to reset
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 11: this week that line. You know, he's saying these signs
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 11: that there's these like little sayings that the GM thing
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 11: like that. He doesn't really mean it that way, but
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 11: then he kind of paints himself into a corner and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 11: then he doesn't he's not able to like really get
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 11: out of it and be like, look, I just meant
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 11: we have to reset, like we always do, start over
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 11: in the week, forget this game, refocus on next week.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 11: We're not going to blow everything up tomorrow and try
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 11: to figure it out, you know, Like I think that's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 11: what he really meant. But then everyone's like, oh my god,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 11: they're going to reset everything, and then, you know, so
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 11: I just feel like he's getting himself into these situations
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 11: that he's not going to dig himself out of because
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 11: it would take him like having to explain something he said,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 11: and so he just lets everybody kind of run with it.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: Well because because the bottom line is he kind of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: doesn't care what we think.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, but did you catch the one thing
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: where he caught himself and he was talking about, you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: personnel and coaching, and he said, you know, when I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: talked something along the line that when I talked to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: him meaning mac grow and then he corrected himself the department,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like so it was almost like he didn't
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: want people to think that mac growe has power and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I have power and we talk with each other. It
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: was more department to department, you know.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: And I also think that he I've been around this
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: whole time of his I've never heard him say how
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: difficult it would be to handle both of those jobs.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: At the same time, I think that was an effort
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: to say, you know, this isn't all on me. The
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: roster of God here is a collective not not just
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: not just my fault.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Well, but I also took it as hey, you know,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: these guys do their job, you know, and and I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: trust them to do their job, and when there's something
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: that they need to talk to me about, they talked
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: About the bottom line is he has final say on
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: the Yeah, and I don't think there's any like But
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: I don't think there was an ambiguity to that at all.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: But I think he tried to make it sound that way.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, I didn't take it that way, like
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: he was saying that no one Hill didn't have full control.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: Full time coaching is a full time job.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's you know, that's I mean, I.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Said, but this time of the year. But I think
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: this time of the year he's focused on getting ready
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: for Washington and they're focused on personnel, which that's their job,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: and when they need to consult me they do. I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: think I think it was pretty it was that simple.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 8: But I think he's trying to distance from the talent.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. But if he's doing that, then
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: he's saying I'm not making the choices.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 12: Right, so then let's make it official.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: I think he's trying to make it vague like this
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: isn't you know, maybe it's not all on him, because
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 8: right now, wouldn't you say that the worm is turned
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: on Bill in the court of public opinion? Oh, it's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 8: I don't know what the percentage is, but it at
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: least the more right last year. At this time, I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: don't think you had more than twenty percent of the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: people saying that it might be time to.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Make a change. I think it was more than that then.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: I think it's a lot more than that now.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I think the moment Brady won that Super Bowl, it changed.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't think that people wanted to get rid
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: of Bill. I mean we still have passionate, defensive Bill.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I think the people they were they were less emboldened,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: so they were silent, but now they feel emboldened to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: say it because I think they were always there.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: Well, I think there was always people that didn't like Bill,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: but they recognized he was a great coach. Now the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: people that don't like him also are wondering how great
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 8: was he ever, which you know that never happened, And
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: I think do you get some of that now? Again,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: I don't know what the number is, but to Fred
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: Zeitgeist things zeitgeist, Yeahzeitgeist, it's definitely in the zeitgeist that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: more people than not want him gone.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 11: I mean twenty the decision last year with Patricia and
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 11: what they did the offense that might might have been
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 11: the thing that hurt, Like, I think twenty twenty. You know, Brady,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 11: it goes to a stacked team. It's COVID give you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 11: a chance to like you know, you know, I mean,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 11: we all know how miserably was when Brady won that one,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 11: but you know, I wasn't really And then it felt
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 11: like when they drafted Mac. I mean I remember standing
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: out on that field when the Mac came in, and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 11: you know, felt like kind of COVID had passed and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 11: we were all out on the field and it felt
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 11: like things are going back to normal.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: We got the quarterback.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 12: Or right here we had a great free agency. You know,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 12: it felt like here we go.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: Mike is right about that good start, good start to
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: the season, like, oh, you know, some tough ones, but man,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: this came until we drafted them.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and then you know, and then was right after
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 12: that Buffalo the Buffalo wind win, and then you went
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 12: on the break.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: We got the best quarterback. We didn't have to try
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 8: it up chess checkers. We just sat there at fifteen
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: to let him come to us. We like, no one
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: wanted him until they drafted him. Then he became the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: best quarterback in the draft. Now he's slipped back to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: number two.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, year he was even.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: Though I don't think he is the numbers, not for
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: anybody that was watching, including you. Wow, No, I knew
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: that you by the way you saw, he had the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: best that Trevor Lawrence could play.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I knew that, But he had the technically speaking,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: he had the best year of any quarterback.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: I would love, believe me, I would love to snarkily
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: make fun of you for saying things like that. You didn't.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: You were always Trevor Lawrence.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: And I and I and I said it that year.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Yes you did, of course, because I knew what Trevor
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Lawrence was gonna be, Fred knows compared to what Mac
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: was going to be. So there's no doubt. But if
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: you wanted to make the case who had the best
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: year that season, it was Mac. Yeah he did, you know,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: But I knew that Trevor was better.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 11: But that's I mean, that's kind of been the line
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 11: three years, and then you know, the decision with Patricia
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 11: was just the doozy.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Eldred in North Carolina.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 19: Hey, Aldred, Hey tell us, how y'all doing this?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 12: Hello Eldred Deuce.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 19: Yes, I'm gonna always jump on you get like who's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 19: that to say, he's my quarterback jumping on Tom Brady
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 19: and he was to a stacked team. Yeah, he had
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 19: learned the team and the players, but he won, you know,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 19: so that's just Brady. But I got one question for you.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 19: I know y'all talking.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 20: About the Personaire move.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 19: Let's say we're going a five to five game run, right, yep,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 19: and then we'll lose the rest of the game. Right.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 19: Ain't the same guy making the choices next year with
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 19: next year draft? And how you feel about it?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: So we end up seven and nine. Obviously Matt had
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to have done something in order to be seven and nine.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 8: I don't think so.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 19: No, I don't think so.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: If you go five and four with the rest of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 8: their games, it doesn't necessarily mean you to back played
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 8: all that much.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Well, probably I could.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, you could beat the Giants, you could beat
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 8: the You don't.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: About it, that's true.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 12: You don't feel great about it, that's yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: But the Colts are going to score points. They they've
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: scored points this.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 8: Year, you know, Okay, but what if they don't that day?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Well no, but I'm just saying, looking ahead, who are
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: these teams? The Colts are team that has scored points.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: They're not like the Jets and the Giants.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: I agree, But maybe the defense wins those games. That's
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: my point. It's possible the defense beat the Jets who
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 8: built the defense bill and.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 19: Again, right, if the guy make the same choices that
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 19: he didn't make it for the last fifteen years, I
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 19: miss it and get it. But off the gym, how
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 19: would you feel.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be happy.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, if they go seven and ten and run
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 8: it all back, I won't.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Be happy me too.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 8: I'll be upfront about that now. If something that I
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 8: don't envision happens and Matcus lights it up the second
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: half of the year and they score thirty points seven
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: out of the nine games, and they finished the season
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: red hot and go eight nine or something like that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: But they're scoring and all kinds of entertaining games, that's different.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: But if they just sort of slog through and win
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: some and lose some, and it's the same offense that
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: we've seen, and it's the same defense that we've seen
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: beaten up on bad bad quarterbacks, I think they need
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: to change. Yeah, you know, they got they got a backup.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: They have a young kid who's never really done anything.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: In Howell. This week, they have a backup. The next
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: week they're gonna have a probably gonna have a backup
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 8: against the Giants. Like if they I absolutely can see
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: them winning some of these games. It's not gonna tell
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: me anything about any improvement.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 11: I think it's just gonna tell you how close to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 11: the bottom are they. You know, they're playing teams that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 11: are Denver the Giants. I mean, these are you know,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 11: bottom barrel teams right now. Only really what the Chiefs
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 11: and the Bills are the really good ones. So I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 11: don't know, You're just I think you're gonna know exactly
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 11: where they stand at the end of the year.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: I think that Jets game is gonna be a tough game.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: Whether I think if the Jades, if the Jets Jades,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: if the Jets have a chance to make the playoffs,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: I would say that Jets will win that game.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: What a game that Lucas is in on the line.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: What's up, Lucas?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 14: Hey, how's it going guys?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: Okay, they called a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 21: About best of the best free agent pickups when we're
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 21: facing Steph and obviously we mentioned Judon, but I was
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 21: got me thinking about, like who's our best offensive uh
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 21: free agent?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 19: Like with it?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 21: I think the cheap answer is you know Edelman obviously,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 21: but is it like Ammondola, like I don't know, like
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 21: and are we going to attract any real free agents
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 21: in the off season? And I know Paul's gonna say,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 21: if you pay him, they'll come.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 8: But oh yeah no, but I do agree with that.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 8: But that's your question is still valid? Will they pay
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: them after they did that in twenty one and it
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 8: didn't work. That's a I mean, it's a good question.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 21: That's offensive free agents, that we've signed.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 8: The best free agent offensive player, best offensive player. They
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: signed a free agent, true free agent, so it doesn't
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: count Moss or Welker.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Cooks Cook that was a trade trade.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: They have a lot of trades, but free agent addition, offensively.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 21: I don't know, it's got to be Amandola. And then.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Welker was a restricted free agent, right, Welker was a trade?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Oh he was a trade too.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he was at restricted free agent but they ended
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 8: up trading for him. Okay, yeah, yeah, they don't have
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 8: a lot for Dylan. That was a trade trade, all right.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: So like but you can see Okay, thanks Lucas you can.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 8: Sort of see it's sort of deceiving.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 11: It's deceiving, right, well, it's it's trying to.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 8: It's like there's a lot of good players they've acquired,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 8: as you know, from other organizations. Offensively, Yeah, just because
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: none of them what free agents, doesn't mean you know,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: it's probably Amidola.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: He's right, Patrick says, Deuce is one thousand percent correct.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: I agree. I don't even know what we're talking about.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: It's not just build a GM, it's also Bill a coach.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: The team hasn't been well coached in a few years.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: All the trend are going the wrong way. But most importantly,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I don't feel Bill as the same coach he used
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: to be. I'm going to keep saying it. Bill has
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: lost as one hundred mile per hour fastball and now
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: is just a good coach amongst other good coaches. Nothing
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: exceptional about the coaching on this It's.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 8: Like Detroit Tiger's Frank Tanana.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: He's just got to learn how to throw a knuckleball.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 8: Still paint in the corners at ninety two, We can
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: still coach. He's and I believe that I No one
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 8: will ever tell me that he's not a great coach. Now,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 8: is he doing a great job right now?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Currently?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: Probably not right, But I saw this guy do enough
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: as a coach that I I'm pretty comfortable saying that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: I feel like he's a great coach.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 11: Like I'm sure there are other I mean, it's hard
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 11: to think going off my at the top of my head,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 11: but of you know, just great coaches that the team
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 11: kind of fell apart around them, and you know, I
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 11: know Bill's GM, so it's kind of a unique scenario,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 11: but you know, they're still great coaches.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 12: And then you know, just because this team kind.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 11: Of fell apart, you lost it well able to put
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 11: it back together, and he could maybe go somewhere else
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 11: and still do it. But you know, I like, like
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 11: I per my earlier rant, you know, it's it's not
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 11: a well coach football team. And I can't tell you
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 11: that it has been. It's it's been frustrated.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Parker from Manhattan sent an interesting email. We're talking about
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: the ineligible man downfield role.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: So he went to he went, no, wonder why you
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: find well, I'm not going to.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Read the whole thing, but he went to chat GBT
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: to get an explanation, and it was good. Not going
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: to read it all, but there's four points ALEVN level
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: playing field, safety, strategic integrity, and clarity for officials and
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: viewers in the description of what each of those mean,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: which made sense, but then he went further. He also
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: used He also used chat GBT to analyze.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 11: The hosts oh God, oh boy, Patriots unfiltered in this and.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: So this is interesting, so chat gbt according to this
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: AI Paul Pirillo known for his deep understanding of the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: game in the New England Patriots. He is often seen
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: as a voice of reason on the show, providing analytical
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: insights in well reasoned arguments.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: Even I would say that's a state.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Mike do So brings a fresh perspective to the show
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: with a mix of analysis and fan insights. He's been
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• 1:23:13
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• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Fred Kersh As the show's moderator, Fred has the challenging
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: role of keeping the discussions on track while injecting his
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: own thoughts. He's known for his humorous takes and keeping
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: the show lighthearted. Okay, I would agree.
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  Speaker 8: You have the hardest job.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: This is the one I have a problem with. J
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• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: a reliable source of information. I well, no, he's got
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Eric Scalavino.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he does have one.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I had the thing, the key one that you know,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I raised an eyebrow at was accurate information? How many
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: times did he come off like he was and then
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: we would look it up and no, that's not it.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 8: You know, you're talking about just life in general or whatever.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I thought we were just talking about the Patriots, So
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: So he doesn't have one for Evan.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: He doesn't, so I wonder.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 8: If that's supposed to be Evan.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe, well we'll see, but maybe Parker, if you want
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: to do one specifically for Evan. Good.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 8: Thanks for being kind to me. Obviously you inputed the rights.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 12: To say what the question was.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't input anything.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 12: He just says, tell me, tell me what who Paul
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 12: Parillo is?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: I think, so give us an analysis. That was the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: prompt because they go and.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you have to prompt something. I mean, I don't know.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe it goes because on the Apple, you know, people
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: give reviews of the plots, so maybe it's based on
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: reviews from listeners or maybe I don't know.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 8: Like Reddit threads about that hard to believe based on
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 8: my email and tweets, my acts, I.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 11: Was hoping they were going to be like Paul also
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 11: appears on ninety eight point five The Sports, Like you
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 11: know I needed, like, yeah, actual information on my show.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Packed it up?
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  Speaker 12: Oh tease it.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 11: Maybe you should tease the shows next week too.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you actually don't have Evan as a host.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: I just typed in tell me about Patriots Unfiltered and
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 10: as hosted by Paul Parello, Eric Scalavino, Mike Desso, you've
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  Speaker 12: No, Megan, Wow, Well.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I do you have a plan of attack today for
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: your show?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 12: I do not tangle.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: I know the McDaniel's stuff is on their minds, which
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: I'm not overly interested in, and I kind of told
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: them so, but I still think it's going to be
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 8: coming up, and then it's just continue of like our
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 8: our conversation, just how do you fix this? How do
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 8: you fix this?
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  Speaker 10: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Christopher the t I a n great discussion about acquiring
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: and re signing players. The big problem I see there
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: was simply no core of this team, no five to
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: ten players they can say, Okay, this is who we
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: are building around. I worry about resigning the Big three
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: of Doug or USh and A WHENU. I have flashbacks
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: to the Jones Collins in High Tower, where the only
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: ended up signing High Tower. Also, I don't think this
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: big three is as good or worth resigning. I think
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: like they'd be signed simply because they have the need. However,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: who was pulling the trigger of this offseason will determine
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: that and PS good luck today Paul from four to
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: five on felgrin Maz. Hopefully he can get through his
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: weekly segment without Jimmy playing snorting bill drops and the
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: boys crackling like hyena hyenas.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: Like last week was just like they're playing a bill
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: drop that was like over the top even for Bill
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 8: with the snorts. And now I was like, you guys
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 8: have nineteen other hours a week to do this, Why
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: do you have to do it in the one hour
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 8: a week that I spent with you? Just in case
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 8: someone's listening, and I like get ripped for like smirking
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 8: the laughing cause it's funny. I'm not denying that, but
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 8: you know, how about a little something.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: For the effort, Gavin says, to your point on keeping
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: players that work for them, if they kept players that
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: work in their scheme, why not keep them?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: If they have players that work in their scheme, why
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 8: not keep them.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: It would make it easier in future drafts by not
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: having to waste picks on replacements. This way, they can
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: focus more in upgrading than gap filling.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: Right, And that's why I don't like some of the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 8: draft picks, like even this year and the jury's still out,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 8: but it's Gonzales, White, Mapoo, two of those guys. I mean,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 8: Gonzales was a definite need, huge need. And I'm not
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: saying that because he's He looks like he's going to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 8: be a good player based on the first three games.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 8: But White and Mapoo just added layers or depth now
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 8: that you don't need to have. Now, my guess is,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 8: you know they probably will. They'll probably let some of
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 8: these guys go and plug those guys in for a year,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 8: and then those guys will go and the and the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 8: vicious cycle continues. Instead of just identifying a half dozen
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: guys that you say, okay, these this this guy we
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: took four years ago is good enough. Let's just take him.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: And then in this draft three years later, maybe we
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 8: can find a wide receiver. You know, maybe we don't
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 8: have to worry about finding some targets or you know,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 8: seeing if he can get a distress asset like Devonte Parker,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: who you know, was on Miami and it was okay
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 8: in Miami, but they didn't need him because they were
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: going with a different system that they felt like he
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: wasn't really suited for. So hey, perfect for us. We
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 8: can swoop in and get them, like you get what
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: you pay for.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: And guess what we've got, Evan.
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  Speaker 19: As we turned, as we turned, as we.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Turned, all right, Evan on the cool day out there,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: temperature wise, how was it?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 9: It is?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: Chili?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 9: I did not enjoy that piece of this anyways. Four
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 9: absences at Patriots. Probably we can get to the mood
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: in a second. Four appum wide receiver DeVante Parker, Trent Brown,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 9: Calvin Anderson, and the worst one Pharaoh Brown not the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 9: Pharaoh guy for Jawan. So Juwan Bentley was there but
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 9: not moving a lot. They were and Jawan Bentley, I
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 9: would say it was not participating.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 8: In that, so you wouldn't be surprised if he is
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 8: a d n P.
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  Speaker 9: Correct, But I do think it's good that he was
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 9: there aund because that means that you know, he's trying
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 9: to get.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown is just.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 9: See you Sunday.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, even though he's the only real tackle they have.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: We don't want Sunday. So twenty four degrees on my
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Apple Watch? What would what did it feel like?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: Gotten it out again?
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 9: It was it was chilly, it was brisk, and that
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 9: you know, there's a lot of people that were definitely
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 9: moving around and you know, trying to keep the body,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 9: the media to that cold people under I think it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 9: was more. I think it was more the under dressing. Yeah,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 9: we're all ticked up. No, I got my my my
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 9: fall jacket today and it's it's it's close to like
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 9: winter jacket temperature.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly. Yeah. Now on Sunday it's going to be I
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: think close to sixty. Right, it's going to be nice.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 12: I was just looking at the Frankfurt weather. But yes,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 12: I believe it's going to be nice this weekend.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 11: Okay, I have fifty but but for those of us interested.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 12: It looks like Frankfurt. It's going to be No, no,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 12: them look like rain right now for when we're there.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, what's.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 8: The temperature there?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: We'll get them when we get fifty in the fifty Yeah,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. Yeah, well, I know, so given
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: the weather, given the temperature, what was the mood of
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: the players.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 9: The players they see you still seem like players like
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 9: into it, you know, I don't know. I mean, I
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 9: keep on work, I keep on trying to I really seriously,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 9: I keep trying to find some quit, you know, like
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 9: I keep looking for it, and I keep trying to
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 9: find if there's any sort of look of quit or
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 9: or you know, open around or whatever. And I didn't
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 9: see a whole lot of that.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: So I was leaving here yesterday and one of the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: gentlemen that works works for the stadium. You know, I
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 8: don't know if he was like a maintenance guy maybe
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure exactly what department, but he's doesn't pay
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: attention to some guy.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 12: No, no, no, no, I didn't.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Say that he knew who you were.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean he didn't say mister, he said Paul.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 8: But we were talking and as we were walking out.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 8: He's like, you know, he goes. I was just I
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 8: was just down around. Like with the players, there's a
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: bunch of guys like they're like laughing and joking around.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 8: And I said, one of the things that really shocked
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: me when I first started working here one hundred years ago,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 8: was you get on the plane after a loss, and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 8: you'd have no idea if they want or lost, Like
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 8: the game's over. I know they all care, but the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 8: game's over and it's time to move on. Like that's
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 8: the way they are. Like to Evan's point, like you're
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 8: looking for indications that people are upset, I think you'd
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 8: be hard pressed to find.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: That you were on the planet oh seven, Oh that
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: was different.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I actually was on the planet seven with a
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 8: lot of the players. And that's an example. Like I
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 8: remember like the postgame party.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Well yeah that was I didn't like that at all.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 8: I remember like going like I felt like I was
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 8: going out to players like almost like I'm sorrying like
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: and I'm not going to name any names because I
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 8: don't want people to think that these guys didn't play
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: hard and think and didn't care. But they were like, yeah,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: you know, what are.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 12: You gonna do.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, what are you gonna do? You know, like they
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: they whooped us. They you know, they were better than
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: us today and you know we did when you don't
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 8: bring it, that can have we? You know, they were
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 8: more physical than us. I talked to like five or
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: six different guys after that game. You'd never know I
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 8: saw them, never know.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I saw the lineman walk into the hotel and tell
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: the hotel to turn the highlights off on the TV.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm like, I'm like that. Like, maybe not as
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 9: much anymore, but when I was growing up, me too,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 9: next day highlights, No chance.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 8: I still haven't seen any of the Super Bowls that
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 8: they lost. Remember that we are killing the Patriots still,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: Shannon Sharp, I was so mad after that game. And
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 8: I was an adult. I wasn't just I was so
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 8: mad after that.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Threw a sippy cup across the room. Yeah, Google got got.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Cody writes in Mike giving a SOPs my story tone
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: about how awful it is to root for a team
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: to lose. Who is insane? You don't have to do
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: that at all. If you're a fan, cheer for your team.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Good god, what are we even talking about on this
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: show today?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 19: Now?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Jeez, check a. I don't think chok a turn misunderstood
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 8: right there. Finger wag. It's nothing worse than the finger wag,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: especially when it's wrong.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: Somebody, Sebastian from Clifton, New Jersey says shat GBT is
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: trained on older Internet information. I'm not one hundred percent certain,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: but it probably still thinks Tom Brady is the quarterback
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: AnyWho quick prediction. I don't want this, but I believe
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: the Patriots will bring back BB and Mac for the
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: duration of max rookie contract, whatever that may be, and
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: BB will ride off into the sunset with his record
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: and the craft, save themselves the embarrassment of letting two
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: goats walk away from the organization and have success elsewhere.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Love the show and thank you for all you do.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 11: That ambitious, Do you think that's a real thing about,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 11: like not wanting to let someone else walk away?
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 12: Do you think they're worried about about that?
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 11: Like you know that he might go somewhere else in
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 11: and win somewhere else like.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: Oh, and I don't know about win somewhere else. It's
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 8: just not having a nice I think being tied to
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 8: the end of parcels, the end of Brady and the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 8: end of Belichick is something that the Craft family thinks about.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: I don't know about the record. I'm just talking about,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 8: you have arguably two of the greatest coaches, and you're tied.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 8: You know, he actually could could add I mean, Carol's
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 8: going to be a Hall of Fame coach too, probably.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 9: I just wonder, like with the whole So Bill's seventy
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 9: two and you and he talks about how he really
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: didn't feel like he had the Patriots up and running
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 9: into like three right, I think he says like three
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 9: years or something like that. So at seventy two he's
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 9: going to move to a different team and then get
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: the program up and running from scratch, and unless he
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 9: goes to the Chargers, but he's still in his mind.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: I feel like he's still going to think I still
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 9: have to get my program.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 8: I don't think he has any interest in going somewhere else.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 8: It just seems like a lot. Yeah, but I think
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 8: he would if if he got fired. I think he would,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: like I don't think he wants to, but I think
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 8: he would.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Matt says from Newport Beach that the free version of
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: chat GBT only goes up to twenty twenty one. So
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: that would explain why I know Evan somebody did a
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: chat GBT of who are all the hosts and what
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: are they like?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 8: And uh, it's pretty good.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: It didn't have you in there, but that would explain it. Yeah,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: it goes only could.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 12: You could ask him who clinices Evan Lazarre?
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 8: Is that's true?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 8: Talk that talk, that talk. He almost did it again.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: That was almost two s bams myself that time.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: Umm. Yeah, so a lot of a lot of good emails.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the phones. Matthews in New Mexico. What's up, Matthew?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: What is he mowing the lawn? Matthew, Matthew, New Mexico.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Ime in New Mexico.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 8: That sounds like when when Will was little and I
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 8: used to go and up the grass and he would
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: be behind me with the.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Bubble. Let's listen.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 9: It sounds sounds sounds like Oppenheimer from New Mexico that
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 9: what do.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: You think he's doing?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: No, not yet.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: What do you think Matt's doing? Oh no, that's line three.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: That's not man, that's line three, that's not that's the.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: We had no problem with line three when Hardy was
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 8: making Is that right?
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  Speaker 12: Amazing.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 10: Chap Et says, I'm sorry I couldn't find any specific
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 10: information about an individual named Evan Lazarre from Klinnis.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 12: Thank you, I've even scrubbed off the internet.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 9: Yes, never had Jerry Duty been scrubbed off the internet.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Jeff's in Texas, Jeff, Hey, Hi, guys.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 20: Thank a question a comment about uh Fred. You were
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 20: talking about the operating budget, and of course, like you said,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 20: nobody really knows exactly. But so my question is, like,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 20: I know the Cowboys are like the richest team. Aren't
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 20: the Patriots like second or third behind them?
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Value? But see that that's different.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 20: Okay, Well, so my question is like, remember during the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 20: uh DeAndre Hopkins sweepstake, and you know, we're all disappointed
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 20: because we didn't get him. But and then I believe
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 20: it was after that Craft came out and said I
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 20: don't remember the exact words, but he said something like
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 20: I've always given Bill everything he asked for.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: Do you remember that?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah? No, and he did everything he asked for dot
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: dot dot? Did he mean within the budget? Like we
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: don't know?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 20: Well that yeah, that's a good question. And then and
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 20: then to further that point, I'm just wondering. Like two
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 20: other points to that is, like, one, do you think
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 20: that between Craft and Belichicks there was some fallout discussions about,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 20: you know, overpaying for Jonas Smith and Agalre, you know,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 20: and that they were kind of a bust.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: As far as you know the budget, Well, I think
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I think at that year, the Patriots had a lot
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: of cash, They had a lot of available money, and
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think that was necessarily over budget because remember,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of teams because of COVID, they reduced the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: salary cap and a lot of teams were in a
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: buying So the Patriots were like one of the few
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: buyers that season.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but they still set a record for money spent
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 8: for the Patriots.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: No, No, for the NFL history NFL for.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 8: Free agent class.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: But but it was it wasn't the same, No, it was.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 8: I hear what you're saying.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 9: But to Jeff's point, right, Jeff right, I think that
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 9: that he's right in asking that question. I do think
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 9: that there was obviously buyers remorse on some of the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 9: players that twenty one free agency class, and I don't
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 9: think that they're necessarily inclined to just open up the
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 9: check book again for a hundred million dollars in salary caps.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: No, but I think my point, my point is, and
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: that year, I think Robert Crafts was all in just
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: as much I think he was. I don't think I
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: think he was all in. But I don't think they
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: had to twist his arm to no.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 8: I think he desperately wanted to do it. It was
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: coming off of Tom Brady winning the Super Bowl, right,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 8: he was all in. Absolutely, That's why they paid all
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 8: that money. So I don't think they.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 9: It's everybody, no, no, Yeah, but I'm just saying Paul
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 9: Paula just said, I'm inclined to think that they wouldn't
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 9: do that again because every single time we've spoken to
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 9: mister craft since he's mentioned about building through the draft
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 9: and yeah, you can't. You know, he said it at
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 9: the time that teams that spend like that in free
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 9: agency it doesn't work. Like it's not a long term plan.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: See. I would hope though, if they, but if the didn't.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 20: He didn't try to, you know, spend more to get
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 20: DeAndre Hopkins.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that DeAndre Hopkins isn't the Patriots because
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 8: of Bill Belichick, not because of Robert Crafty. I honestly,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 8: do I think you're telling me that he wouldn't have
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: wanted You know, you could give him eight million, but
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: not twelve million. That was the now. If you want
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: to tell me he was looking for a hundred million,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: that's something Robert Crafts got to sign off on. But
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 8: I don't think the difference between a couple of million
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 8: for a short term deal was the deal breaker. To
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 8: your point, Fred, we don't know. I don't know. That's
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 8: just my feeling. My feeling is Bill didn't want to
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 8: go any higher for him because I think he felt
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 8: like the salary structure of the wide receiver class in
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 8: on this team right now would have been affected by
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 8: someone that you're bringing in from this and he doesn't
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 8: and he doesn't like to do that.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Despite what Robert craft said, I would hope that if
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: the opportunity arises again where they have, they can get
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: two or three guys in a particular free agent class,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and reasonably.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I know this was the most ever spent, but it
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: was reasonable.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: I think they'll add some plays.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: I think they should.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of those contracts were reasonable.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: They shouldn't. They shouldn't. The buyers were more aside, they shouldn't.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: That shouldn't stop them from doing it again.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, they're gonna have one hundred million dollars
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 9: in cap spits going into next year, so they're going.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 8: To have that subject they're spend and seventy five million
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 8: of real money. I'll tell you that. I just that's
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: what they spent time.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 9: I just wonder, and this is now and nowadays, and
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 9: maybe T Higgins will end up being an exception just
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 9: because of the situation. But now in order to acquire
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 9: like players like that, you have to trade for them,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 9: Like teams aren't just letting those guys get to free
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 9: agency anymore, so maybe it won't be spent the exact
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: same way. I think the problem with the twenty one
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: experiment was they only shopped in free agency, so they
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 9: were working in a pool of players that were available
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 9: for nothing at the time. And know that when you
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: get to free agency, you're talking about a certain tier
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: of player, Like if you're you're not letting guys like
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 9: T Higgins most of the time, he doesn't hit free agency,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 9: like AJ Brown didn't hit free agency. Tyreek Hill wasn't
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: a free agent they traded for him right, because the
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 9: teams want something.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a fair point.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 8: So if they're going to.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 9: Spend like crazy again next offseason, I feel like it's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 9: going to have to be done different.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: The great ones don't get to free agency right right.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 8: And just because they didn't have one of those sort
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 8: of blockbuster, you know, six year, one hundred and twenty
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 8: million dollar contracts, they had at least two, if not
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 8: three guys specifically answered the question why the Patriots because
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 8: they offered me the most money that can Yeah, yeah,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 8: I think Gaggalore did two and I want to say Juda.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: On che but I don't think it was a strong market.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 8: It wasn't no, no, no, but they were the only one.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 8: But that doesn't mean they got these guys cheating, No,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 8: that's my point. I know, like they spent a lot
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 8: of money on money guys. It wasn't like ye, you know,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 8: every guy that, like Jalen Mills, was a was a
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 8: to me an outrageous contract. It doesn't have to be
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 8: an eighty million dollar guarantee for it to be an overpay.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: But but didn't it seem easy like they just signed
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: these guys easily, Like.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: The one that really stood out was they signed John
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: hu Smith and then like four days later they signed
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 8: Hunter Henry day later and you're like, how are they
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: getting boltim? Remember we had to have They're paying more
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 8: money than anybody else was offering for these guys.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: We had we had to have an emergency Patriots on
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: film because we had guys were coming in, Like, you know,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it. It was crazy, But.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 9: That's the like Hunter Henry, Jalen Mills, those are a
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 9: certain skill level sure, and like I just feel like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 9: that was That's what you got to learn from that
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 9: free agency class. Is really the only guy that moved
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 9: the needle. Moved the needle was Judah Judah and he
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 9: was I think an exception because of things going on
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 9: in Baltimore that they he ended up being kind of
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: the odd man out in their roster. But that's that's
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 9: the exception of the rule. Like most of the time,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 9: it's the other guy.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 8: If you feel like maybe you don't, I don't putting
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 8: words in anyone's mouth, but if you feel like they
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: overpaid for some of those free agents, can you imagine
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 8: what they'd have to pay T Higgins?
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 8: Who everyone else is gonna want.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 11: To write and I think that's like part of the
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 11: lesson though, is that don't don't try to carpet bomb,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 11: like go specific and get you know, just get the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 11: Jude On or you know what I mean and fill
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 11: those other holes in. It's just I think there's such
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 11: a talent void right now that that's like, we need studs.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 11: We need guys who can play, not a bunch of
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 11: B players who are going to make us a solid
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 11: team in theres.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 19: But it is.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, remember when it happened, Paul, we sat on
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: this show and said, you know, okay, they signed all
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: these guys. The odds are they're not all going to
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: work out. It never works out.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: Way, you know.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 12: And I mean I mean, you know, at the time,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 12: I liked what they did.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 11: I liked that they were all young players kind of
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 11: coming off their first deals. It wasn't you know, old
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 11: guys that they were spending. I mean, it seemed like
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 11: they understood where they were as a team at that point.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 11: And you know they I mean, I don't know where
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 11: they would have been without a lot of those contributions,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 11: specifically you know, Judon and Henry at the top of
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 11: the list.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 12: I'm sure they'd.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 11: Probably put Godshaw on there too, But you know I wouldn't.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 11: I don't know, I said they, but you know, we'll
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 11: see what they do they do this year. I just
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 11: think when you look at the free agents that are
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 11: out there, it's a lot of that kind of stuff.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 11: You know, it's those like bee guys. There's nobody out there.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 11: You're like, oh man, we just signed this guy and
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 11: this guy and this guy free agency, like we're.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 12: Good start, you know. It's it's it's hard, it's hard
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 12: to even play like fantasy like that.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 9: But that's why I would say, you know, back to
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 9: the point about keeping some of the guys that they
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 9: have coming up, it's like, those are those are B
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 9: B level guys. So if you keep the B level
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 9: guys that you have in house and then stack A
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 9: level guys on top of the B level guys, well
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 9: now we're talking right. So it's like, if you the
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 9: problem is is that they had so many holes in
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 9: twenty twenty one that they, like you said, they carpet
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 9: bombed it because they had so many holes on the
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 9: roster to fill. But if you retain some of the
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 9: younger guys that you actually like that are currently on
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 9: your team, well, then maybe you won't have as many
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 9: holes to plug. So if you add t Higgins on
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 9: top of what's already exists on this roster currently, like
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 9: you're not missing all these pieces. But if you don't
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 9: resign Mike Gonwennie, now you need you know, another starting lineman.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 9: And if you don't resign Kyle Duggart, now you probably
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 9: need a safety. And if you don't resign Josh Uce
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 9: you probably are Jennings. Then you probably need edge guys.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 9: And it's it just adds. It's like a whole different thing.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 11: Do you guys worry at all that those three don't
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 11: want to sign back here like that they just would say,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 11: you know what this is?
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 12: Because I mean, I think they've all had specific.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 11: Situations where you could maybe say, you know, maybe and
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 11: when you doesn't love he wants to be a guard
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 11: and he doesn't really want to move around, and you know, dugger,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 11: I'm not sure. He seems like a pretty good fit,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 11: but maybe he's looking for a bigger role, you know,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 11: Like I can I can see reasons why those guys
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 11: wouldn't necessarily be immediately slammed dunks to come back just
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 11: from their end too.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it was better or Chandler Jones.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Chandler when he was here, Yeah.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 8: Chandler Jones was at least an every down player. And no,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 8: I don't think he was a great run player either.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 8: I don't want to be a fraud, but he played
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 8: every down.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Chalder Jones more of an impact in the past.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Spie says, speaking of not rewatching losses, It's interesting that
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: one of the least often discussed great Brady games is
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: his extraordinary performance throwing for over five hundred yards against
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: the Eagles in the Super Bowl. I hate, hate, hate
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: that his incredible work that day is kind of buried
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: in my mind. Can you think of other awesome perform
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: ormances we avoid thinking about because they were part of
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: a losing effort, because we forget about that.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 11: Right, that's a good game, though I don't think I've
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 11: really looked at that game at all.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: That one was really annoying to That game is weird
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 8: for me as a sort of a Brady apologist. I
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 8: know the numbers, and I know what I don't think
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: he was as I don't think he was as good
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 8: as the numbers that day. I've seen him better, and
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 8: I know that sounds silly because he's so good and
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 8: he won so many games. I thought they had some
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 8: Not that Brady did anything wrong, because I don't think
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 8: he did, but I thought some of the production in
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 8: that day was like really kind of accidental.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 12: I can't comment on I've forgotten it.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: Like the yeah, I don't know what the right I
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: think that he had Likes he had like two punts
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 8: down the sideline to Aimondola, who was like uncovered and
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 8: like they were like running around and they just kind
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 8: of like lost them. Like I've seen Brady just surgically
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 8: tear people apart and lose fifty one.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, like San Francisco twenty twelve, I felt like they
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 11: were down, they came back, they lost, but it was
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 11: another one of those games that was almost a crazy comeback.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 8: Like I even think like, well, statistically, you can't mean
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 8: five hundred and seventeen yards is what it is. It's
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 8: a record, you know, But I just don't think that
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 8: he was I've seen him better. Even like the six
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: AFC Championship game in Indy, I thought he was, you know,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 8: considering that team that he just like put that team
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: on his back and beats beat the Chargers the week
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: before and then he comes back and was within you know,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 8: a minute or so of beating the Colts. That was
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 8: an amazing perform Yes, I lost. I'm trying to hed
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 8: with losses.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 9: The defensive coordinator was for the Eagles in that Super Bowl,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 9: but it seemed like a lot of the yards in
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 9: that Super Bowl were schemed, like they just had guys
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 9: that were wide open, like just Chris Hogan invisibility cloak
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 9: type stuff like Yet over that game, and not to
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: take anything away from Brady.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 8: It's not that he did anything wrong. Yeah, you guys
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: are so gadful because I just like I.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Still believe if Brady had won that game, he would
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: have retired.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, oh I don't, I do.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 9: I think that's what Why didn't he retire after eighteen?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 20: Then?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Well because because there are other factors. Want there are
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: other factors that you know, he wanted to prove things.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: But I think I think, I think I think he
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: had that documentary all set to wave goodbye, go out
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: on top, and that scuttled his plans.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 12: He must be glad.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: I scuttled scuttled. Joel says, as always, thanks for everything
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: you do for US fans. This is gonna be real quick.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Seeing Paul calmly turn his back on the camera so
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: he can finish his food as one of the best
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: things about having video.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 8: I was throwing it away the barrels right there. Got
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 8: last fight was Fred. It was Fred's food. That is good, Joel,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 8: It's really good.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Let's see.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 8: That's than I would do to somebody.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: That's why I like it.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: Nice job, Nice job, Balvin. What you all were explaining
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: is what an email is said. As well as Hardy,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: the Patriots have no real dogs, just a bunch of felines.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Brady ramping up. Everyone else is dog mentality. Now it
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: just seems like guys are just happy to be there.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: The only two players I see that our dogs are
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: to Vie and Deuces Guy Bentley. The Patriots aren't only
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: missing talent.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 12: I think him and Pepper, so that only qualifies the
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 12: Patriots aren't only.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: Missing the talent guys, but that wrong or right. They've
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: got each other's back and right now it's all individual
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know. I think Judan
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: is a guy that's supporting his teammates.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: I don't yeah, I don't necessarily agree that it's all individual.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 9: I just don't think that they have a lot of
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 9: talent on the roster. Like I, I don't go like,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 9: I'm not a little bit that we get to be
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 9: around these guys. I don't like think that they are
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 9: all in it for themselves and like hate each other,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 9: and I don't get that vibe. I just think that
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 9: they just don't have a lot of talent, especially on offense.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, lots of emails. Let's say, Trevor, following
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: up on the rant about Bill's philosophy for team building,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: I disagree that Bill doesn't want to build a high
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: powered offense. Since eighteen Bill has drafted Nikkeel, traded for Sanu,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: signed the best tight ends available, signed, drafted taekwon High.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: All of those moves except Hunter Henry have failed, which
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: is an evaluation problem, not a philosophy problem, but the philosophy.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: It's all in the same, all in one.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah. And I also would just say that all these
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 9: teams did all that and then kept doing it. Like
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 9: the Eagles drafted Jalen Rager in the first round and
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 9: he was a Nikhil Harry level bust. So what did
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 9: they do the next year? They drafted Davonte Smith in
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 9: the first round. They kept trying.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like what tight ends Over the years,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: they kept drafting tight ends until they got Gronk. You know,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: they didn't stop. But I think Bill deserves a chance
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: to reset again. The only argument in my opinion for
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: replacing Bill is if you want to pair your new
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: young quarterback with a long term coach. That's kind of
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: my argument.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 11: If we get a new one, wouldn't you just love
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 11: to hear Bill like candidly explain what's gone wrong here?
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 12: Like candidly just really what.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: I'd I don't think you'd like any of the answers.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: I really don't.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 12: Well, I don't know why would That.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: Guy's not as good? Like that guy's not good. That
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: guy doesn't do what he's supposed to do. That's what
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 12: But these are all your guys.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 8: If they just executed, If they just executed, would be fine.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: He's getting ready.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 12: Why did you pick guys?
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 9: Because he's getting ready for Washington? Use it's not his job.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: Jack wants to know. Is t Higgins that good? Or
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: is Jamar Chase always being doubled?
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 12: I think Higgins is pretty good.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 9: This is probably not the day for this, but like
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 9: the notion that like every like good receiver gets doubled
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 9: on every single play just as whatever, Alex.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 8: I mean, I would say they have a good offense.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 8: They have a lot of options, and maybe he's not
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 8: quite as good if he was the only option. I mean,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 8: I don't know, but I think Higgins is pretty good.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 8: I also would just say, like, if T.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 9: Higgins is your number one guy, then that makes Pop
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 9: Douglas his life easier. That makes Kendrick Bourne, if he's here,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 9: life easier. The tight ends, so then the coverage just
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 9: becomes tilted to T. Higgins and then they had you know,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 9: that makes it just the way that Jamar Chase tilts
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 9: the coverage in Cincinnati.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Alex and Warren. I don't have a chance to listen live,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: so forgive me if you talk about this already. I
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: was wondering if you guys think that Mapu has a
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: chance to play some off the ball linebacker this week
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: and moving forward, if Bentley does miss some time, it
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: would be great to see him at his natural position
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: instead of asking him to play deep safety against the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: most explosive receiver in the NFL. I just hope that
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: the blown coverage on Sunday doesn't lead him to the
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: bench and maybe leads to a shift in his usage.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 11: I think it's possible because you've got you know, Mac
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 11: Wilson playing a little more of an edge role now too.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 11: So I mean they if it's TVAI kind of taking
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 11: over of Bentley's role, you know, I could I could
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 11: see maybe Mapu getting and I'd love it.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: But I don't know.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 11: I just I've kind of tempered my expectations with him,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 11: you know, unfortunately, like I just it's it's it's been
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 11: a time.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: I just haven't seen much of him at linebacker. Yeah, Nope,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 8: didn't you make a comment you say about Brian Belichick
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 8: saying he's been in this say was that yesterday? Yeah,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 8: he's the day's all blame together. He's a safety much
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 8: to my sugarine. But I would like that emailer. I
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 8: would like to see him no, because I think that
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: was like an indication that, oh, maybe he is trying
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 8: to do some things that are a little different from
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 8: his philosophy. Bill being you know, we're going to have
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 8: a twitter and eighteen pound linebacker coming out of college,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 8: and we know that's much smaller than we normally have,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 8: but he's athletic and he might be able to do
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: some things that are different, but we haven't really seen
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 8: Hi given the opportunity.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: I kicked myself for not bringing this up earlier. But
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: what did you think of Bill O'Brien's comments that he's
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: not involved in like the game day you know, actrivation.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, not even that he said he wasn't involved in
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 9: the trade deadline either.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: I mean, like, so he's the offensive coordinator and Malie
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: Cunningham is going to be part of the offensive game
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 8: plan that week, and he didn't have any saying it right.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: That bugs me.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: I want to make that he said it that it.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: That it is.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 9: Do you think that maybe I know we're running out
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 9: of time, but do you think that he maybe said
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 9: that to remove himself from the mess.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 8: Maybe he's maybe he's.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but if that's not true, I don't know. That's
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 9: just kind of the the trade because he got asked
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 9: the same question. But about the trade deadline, we know
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  Speaker 9: that you didn't make. You know, that was a Matt
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  Speaker 9: Bill decision about Cunningham. What are you involved in all
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 9: of the trade And I'm like, if Bill O'Brien, they
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  Speaker 9: should be going to Bill O'Brien and saying, hey, what
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  Speaker 9: do you need?
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  Speaker 1: Like what what?
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  Speaker 9: What is it that's missing from this offense?
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  Speaker 8: What do you feel that you need?
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  Speaker 9: And he could give them an answer. If they're not
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  Speaker 9: doing that, then that's that's malpractice. I mean, every you
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  Speaker 9: gotta be doing that, and he just kind of I
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  Speaker 9: have to wonder if maybe he's like, Hey, this is
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  Speaker 9: the personnel side of it.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't me like everybody's like, but to me, like who
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  Speaker 1: plays on game day on offense is part of his job.
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  Speaker 12: There should be a meeting about it.
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  Speaker 8: So what are we doing this week? What do you
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  Speaker 8: think is it on the calendar?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, can hey Bill, Bill O'Brien, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: not playing Matt today.
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  Speaker 12: Okay, well just tell me who's playing it.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't buy that. But coming up is John
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  Speaker 1: Rook with the playbook. But and we'll be back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: But I just want to mention that next week is Germany.
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  Speaker 1: So I just want to for people's planning purposes, we
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  Speaker 1: will not have a show on Tuesday and Wednesday because
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: we're going to be scrambling. Lots of us will be traveling.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: Until you we will receive total but we will.
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  Speaker 1: Have shows our normal time on Thursday, live from Germany
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  Speaker 1: and also on Friday special Friday live from Germany. So
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  Speaker 1: next week shows Thursday and Friday twelve to two East
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  Speaker 1: Coast time, Eastern y same time as It'll be six
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  Speaker 1: in the evening where we are, but for everybody else
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: that's in the East Coast it'll be noon.
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  Speaker 9: And Catch twenty two same thing as well.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so a t am yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The same time. So just no shows Tuesday Wednesday, but
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: there will be shows Thursday Friday.
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  Speaker 12: They'll probably be pretty fun too.
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  Speaker 8: And yeah, we're coming to be like, why is that
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  Speaker 8: du bars?
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  Speaker 12: Since the bar is that?
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: Can we Yeah?
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  Speaker 11: This is he?
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  Speaker 12: I didn't say I didn't see anything true?
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  Speaker 8: What because fans have always wanted to see what that's
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 8: like when.
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  Speaker 1: Paul, I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 8: No, we can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Afterwards.
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  Speaker 8: We're on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: You can do it after.
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  Speaker 12: It's an Internet show.
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  Speaker 8: Come on, all right, I think that's let's say, a
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: playbook coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll see tomorrow.
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