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Furness Show 11-10: Lenny Wilkens passing, Hugh Millen, Mike Sando · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Now from the Star Renolds Sports to us Jordan ninety
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  Speaker 1: three point three KJRFMS sports headlines.
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  Speaker 2: Sad News. This weekend, NBA and Sonics legend Lenny Wilkins
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  Speaker 2: passing the way passed away at the age of eighty eight.
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  Speaker 2: More on that in just a couple of seconds. Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: continue to roll another dominating win over the Cardinals forty
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  Speaker 2: four to twenty two. You knew that, I hope you
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  Speaker 2: know that. They host the Kracking Nests with the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: They beat Saint Louis Saturday, great dramatic come from behind win,
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  Speaker 2: scored with two seconds to go in regulation, win in
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  Speaker 2: overtime four to three the final, but then lost the
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  Speaker 2: Stars two to one yesterday. They host the Columbus Blue
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  Speaker 2: right here on your home for the crack of nine
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  Speaker 2: three point three kter FM. You have had a rough
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  Speaker 2: goal of it, also falling out of the top twenty
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  Speaker 2: five as they lose to Wisconsin thirteen to ten on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Also Saturday, Sounder season ended with a loss in game
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  Speaker 2: three the MLS Playoffs, they lost in a PK shootout
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  Speaker 2: to Minnesota, and the Giants have fired their head coach,
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  Speaker 2: Brian dave Ball today as well. Monday Night Football later
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  Speaker 2: on tonight it is the Packers hosting the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: here's you with the inferness on Sports Radio ninety three
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  Speaker 2: All right, we go do things a little different today
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  Speaker 2: with Hugh because I wanted to spend some time before
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  Speaker 2: we get into hardcore football with Hugh because as the
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  Speaker 2: if we take Mike comrin ow the mix, Hugh as
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  Speaker 2: the two elder statesman on the radio station. You and
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  Speaker 2: I we are both old enough to remember Lenny Wilkins
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  Speaker 2: as both a player and a coach for the Sonics
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  Speaker 2: among other teams, and of course the seventy nine championship
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  Speaker 2: team as well, and so I kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 2: if I could just spend some time with you and
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  Speaker 2: me just discussing Lenny Wilkins and his significance to us
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  Speaker 2: and to people our age who were able to watch
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  Speaker 2: those Sonics teams that went back to back finals, winning
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  Speaker 2: the second time around after losing in seven games the
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  Speaker 2: first time when Lenny took over from for from Bob
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  Speaker 2: Hopkins the previous season and all that, but a sad
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  Speaker 2: day yesterday for all of us here in this area.
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  Speaker 2: Lenny Wilkins and really probably across the NBA. He coached
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  Speaker 2: for six different teams. He played for four teams. Some
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  Speaker 2: of those were acrossover Portland and Seattle, for example in Cleveland,
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  Speaker 2: but he had an impact across the league. He's both
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  Speaker 2: inducted as both a player and a coach in the
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  Speaker 2: Nate Smith Basketball Hall of Fame. His impact in the
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  Speaker 2: community goes without saying with the Lenny Wilkins Foundation, but
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  Speaker 2: he will just let you speak on Lenny Wilkins and
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  Speaker 2: and and who and what he meant to you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna it's your show, I was. I think,
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  Speaker 3: I think your listeners want to hear from you, and
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  Speaker 3: I'd be happy to piggyback on it. I've got some
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  Speaker 3: thoughts and memories for sure, But yeah, well it sounds
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  Speaker 3: like it's emotional to you. So let me let me
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  Speaker 3: go ahead the table and just kind of stretch from you.
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  Speaker 3: So what, first of all, you were when Lenny took
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  Speaker 3: over the job? That was the That was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people say it's the seventy nine season, and and
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  Speaker 3: the Sonics won the title that year. Now, as you know,
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  Speaker 3: not true. That was the seventy seven, seventy eight season.
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  Speaker 3: So it would have been late seventy seven, right forty
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  Speaker 3: eight years ago. And uh, Bob Hopkins had had been
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  Speaker 3: what an understudy to Bill Russell who had been the
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  Speaker 3: coach during the mid seventies. Bob Hopkins gets his you
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  Speaker 3: know who's the owner at that time? Was it was
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  Speaker 3: it Sam Shulman? I think it was Sam schu was Sam?
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  Speaker 3: So they started five and seventeen. Yeah, and and and
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  Speaker 3: you know, I could have googled all this stuff and
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  Speaker 3: it's readily accessible, but I'm just going off memory. I
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  Speaker 3: think that his first year they said five and seventeen,
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  Speaker 3: we've seen enough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that many was right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh and and then and then they they
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  Speaker 3: lo and behold they go to the title. So what
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  Speaker 3: what do you remember before we talk about the seventy
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  Speaker 3: nine Let's let's talk about that first year year, right
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  Speaker 3: the year that they came out of nowhere to go
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  Speaker 3: all the way to the NBA Finals.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I remember, Hugh is that you know,
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  Speaker 2: and and I think for a lot of us that
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  Speaker 2: are you know, roughly our age, you know, late fifties,
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  Speaker 2: early sixties, what have you, that was our team. Like
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  Speaker 2: you know, we there was no Seahawks. There was there
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  Speaker 2: was no such things as Seahawks are the Mariners, And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean we were college football fans probably
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  Speaker 2: like I'm you know, Sunny six Killer. I remember being
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  Speaker 2: a fan of his growing up and the Huskies. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean the Sonics were our pro sports
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  Speaker 2: franchise and you know, my first memories of that was
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  Speaker 2: you know, Spencer Haywood. And you know when Bill Russell
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  Speaker 2: came in and Bill Russell gave us in Seattle, I
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  Speaker 2: think you would agree Bill Russell gave us legitimacy. He
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like Chuck Knox with the Seahawks, like
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  Speaker 2: it went from fun little expansion team whatever you bring
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  Speaker 2: in Bill Russell and Bill takes the Sonics to the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs for the first time, and I believe in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy four and stuck around for a couple of years
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  Speaker 2: seventy five, right, yeah, so then you go to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: he leaves. His understudy was Bob Hopkins, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it was his cousin, was it not Bob Hopkins? I
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  Speaker 2: believe that. I don't. I think there was a relationship.
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  Speaker 2: But nevertheless, Bob, you know, seventy seven to seventy eight season,
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  Speaker 2: they start five and seventeen, as you mentioned, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're all Sonics fans, We're all bummed out what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they had a pretty decent team, and Lenny
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  Speaker 2: takes over and goes forty two and eighteen. And I
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  Speaker 2: vaguely remember Lenny as a player with the Sonics, vaguely,
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  Speaker 2: Like I mean I was what five or six or something,
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  Speaker 2: seven eight maybe when he was playing, but I remember
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  Speaker 2: him taking over that team, and you know, god, I
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  Speaker 2: was a fan. I mean, I remember Dean Tolson like
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  Speaker 2: that was my favorite player because he could dunk like
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  Speaker 2: he was like the best dunker in the league. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he did they say he could pill quarterbs off the
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  Speaker 2: top of the thing, like back when guys didn't do that,
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  Speaker 2: Like now and at the top of the backboard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which seems crazy, right. You know what I
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  Speaker 3: remember he was was so I went to extem Middle school. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know in the Seattle public schools, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: blessed the sonics they had. They would send some players
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  Speaker 3: out and we'd have an assembly and then they would say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: just go to your you know, the office, and you
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  Speaker 3: can get I believe the figure was five dollars. Yeah, really, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I think five dollars tickets. So my buddies and I
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  Speaker 3: we take the bus on down and and uh in
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  Speaker 3: the mid seventies, remember now, as you you touched on it. No,
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  Speaker 3: no Mariners, no Seahawks, and the Huskies. Uh you know
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  Speaker 3: Don James's first year was seventy five. But prior to that,
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  Speaker 3: Owens had had a great career, but not in the
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  Speaker 3: at the end, so there was no success right. And
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  Speaker 3: and I'm I thought it was the cool thing that
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  Speaker 3: Slick Watts led the NBA in steals and assists in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five. I remember reading Not in Sports Illustrated
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  Speaker 3: and uh, you know like that's like that's the crumbs
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  Speaker 3: that we had. And and and I will say, you
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  Speaker 3: know it was great, but like there was there was
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  Speaker 3: no championships. It's like, oh my god, we got a
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  Speaker 3: guy Steve let the league and Steals an assistant. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and so so then when uh so when when they
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  Speaker 3: go to the title. You know, I think it was
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  Speaker 3: Matt call because I'm gonna call him out a little
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  Speaker 3: bit because because I had friends with him, I think
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  Speaker 3: he's great, wonderful call him. He had to call him
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  Speaker 3: a few months back. Top five most painful losses in
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  Speaker 3: Seattle history. Oh yeah, and you and I can simply
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  Speaker 3: five was the first professional uh playoffs for any team
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  Speaker 3: in this city, right, so we remember all of them.
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  Speaker 3: What does one of five ninety nine mean to you?
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  Speaker 3: In Game seven of the NBA Finals, How did you
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  Speaker 3: take that?
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  Speaker 2: As a kid? I didn't take it well because it
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  Speaker 2: was also a home game, Like we come home like
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  Speaker 2: and you just feel like you're figuring that you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: win in Game seven at home. That's a win, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's a championship. That's likely gonna be the coolest thing
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  Speaker 2: ever for our city. And you know West Unsold and
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  Speaker 2: Elvin Hayes, the Big E, Bobby Dandridge and those guys.
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  Speaker 2: They come in and they beat our Sonics at all
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  Speaker 2: home in our building, and I remember being devastated, like
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  Speaker 2: devastated by that. And then Hugh think about kind of
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  Speaker 2: think about what happened then after that, like they lose
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  Speaker 2: a key player, Marvin Webster, the human Eraser, the human
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  Speaker 2: Eraser leaves us, and and yet they get back and
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  Speaker 2: win it next year. You know, Lenny was Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's also you know, like when when I heard
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  Speaker 2: he passed yesterday and and you know, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: were actually going we were like five minutes away from
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  Speaker 2: going on the air for our sale Crack and pregame
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  Speaker 2: show on TV, and I see the news and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, Lenny Wilkins died. And I'm just like whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: And now, luckily here's a little funny little side bit
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  Speaker 2: from TV. Our studios at the Root Studios, we were
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  Speaker 2: able to put together a pretty good little, uh piece
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  Speaker 2: of video because guess what's Guess what's in the Guess
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  Speaker 2: what we have there? Every videotape from the Sonics.
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  Speaker 4: Back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So but they our producers went back and they
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  Speaker 2: you know, our editors Stu and Marcus, they put a
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  Speaker 2: little you know that's I'm seeing video of this. But
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  Speaker 2: but Hugh, I think what it is is that the
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  Speaker 2: Sonics leaving when they did in eight I think what
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  Speaker 2: hurts to this day is that when they left, were
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  Speaker 2: left with just memories and the inability to create new ones.
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  Speaker 2: But those memories we have are so good, and honestly,
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  Speaker 2: it's thanks to Lenny Wilkins. Lenny Wilkins took this franchise
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  Speaker 2: to the finals and then Lenny Wilkins won a championship.
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  Speaker 2: And we've had two major championships in the history of
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  Speaker 2: our city at the pro level. If you want to
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  Speaker 2: just include the form and sorry, we're just gonna include
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  Speaker 2: the four major sports. And sorry, Todd Lightwick if you're listening,
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen seventeen Stanley Cup doesn't count because the NHL
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  Speaker 2: didn't exist, so it was an NBA title in seventy nine.
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  Speaker 2: And what Pete and the Seahawks did in Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: forty eight, that's all we have. And you know, Lenny
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  Speaker 2: got us there, and Hugh, you know what I do
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  Speaker 2: remember more than anything is that when I was in
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  Speaker 2: eight grade, our Lady of Fatima, I remember skipping school,
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  Speaker 2: which was unheard of for a Catholic kid going to
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  Speaker 2: a private school, jumping on the number nineteen bus with
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  Speaker 2: my buddy. I think I think it was Mike Taft
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  Speaker 2: was my buddy, jumped on the number nineteen bus from
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  Speaker 2: see it from Magnolia, went down to the parade and
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  Speaker 2: it was insane. It was awesome. It was the coolest
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  Speaker 2: thing ever. And Hugh, you'll remember this. Lenny had to
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  Speaker 2: control a team that I've always kind of I've used
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  Speaker 2: this this comparison. I think that seventy nine team was
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  Speaker 2: very much like the Seahawk Super Bowl team in this sense.
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  Speaker 2: They had the biggest personalities in the league period. End
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  Speaker 2: of story. And Paul Silas, I remember interviewing him a
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  Speaker 2: number of times when I first got to KJR. I
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  Speaker 2: had a good relationship with him from some stuff I'd
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  Speaker 2: done in the NBA over the years. And he said, Man,
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  Speaker 2: our practices were harder than any game we ever had.
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  Speaker 2: We would just he said, I'd have to sit there.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be squared up, ready to fight Lonnie Sheldon every game.
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  Speaker 2: I had the egos of with DJ and Gus in
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  Speaker 2: the back court, their egos. Fred Brown thought he should
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  Speaker 2: be and probably should have been a starter, would have
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  Speaker 2: started for any team in the league. He was six man,
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  Speaker 2: best shooter in the league. Maybe you know, back when
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have a three point line man, what numbers
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  Speaker 2: he would have put up. Lenny Wilkins, much like Pete
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  Speaker 2: Carroll Hugh, had to somehow wrangle all those big personalities
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  Speaker 2: together and all that talent and get them on the
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  Speaker 2: same page to go to back to back finals. To me,
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  Speaker 2: that was the greatness of Lena. Aybody ever met Lenny
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  Speaker 2: would know just like one of the nicest human beings
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  Speaker 2: in the world, but everyone respected him. Yeah, And for
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  Speaker 2: him to be able to do that with that group,
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  Speaker 2: because remember that parade. If you look back at pictures
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  Speaker 2: in the parade, it's June. You know what, those dudes
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  Speaker 2: are all wearing top hats, fur coats, They're all in
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  Speaker 2: separate cars. It was them dudes were the biggest personalities
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  Speaker 2: we've ever seen in this town until Sherman Company rolled
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  Speaker 2: in a few years later.
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  Speaker 3: You know, schematically, you're touching on so much. You know that,
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  Speaker 3: As I mentioned the mid seventies, Slick Watson, Fred Brown starters, right, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but then that championship team was, you know, considered to
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  Speaker 3: be a backcourt led team. And it was the three
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  Speaker 3: and it was you know, that's a point and DJ
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  Speaker 3: DJ really hit because he was only in what year two.
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  Speaker 3: He hit the scene again in that series against the
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  Speaker 3: Nuggets when he held down David Thompson. The Skywalker was like
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  Speaker 3: a big spread in Sports illustrated, huge, you know, double
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  Speaker 3: page spread, and it was like, whoa this dude can
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  Speaker 3: He was the glove before the glove, yes, right, And
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  Speaker 3: he made his mark on that series against the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 3: But you mentioned they bring in Fred Brown off the
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  Speaker 3: bench and they would run a double pick on the
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  Speaker 3: back on the baseline and he would launch a twenty
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  Speaker 3: four footer from the corner and it was it was
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  Speaker 3: sound basketball when it was only word two. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and you know and and they say, coaches say, you
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  Speaker 3: got a square up on your jump shot. Fred Brown
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  Speaker 3: had this interesting way where he did not square up.
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  Speaker 3: He was like his right shoulder was more at the rim.
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  Speaker 3: And and anybody who can in your minds, I can
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  Speaker 3: see Fred Brown shooting. But it was so graceful. Was
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  Speaker 3: it was like Ernie Els or Fred Couple's golf swing.
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  Speaker 2: It was so pretty.
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  Speaker 3: And he would come in and they'd run that play
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  Speaker 3: in the baseline he would launch that thing.
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  Speaker 2: I lose you. I lost you for a second.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I think he was of breath.
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  Speaker 2: The best thing was with good Fred get he reconnected,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the first of all. I love that because
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  Speaker 2: we just went hardcore basketball during hardcore football.
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  Speaker 4: You know what.
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  Speaker 5: It was so hardcore.
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  Speaker 2: You give me a thumbs up when you get Hugh
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  Speaker 2: back on because that was good stuff. And it's true.
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  Speaker 2: I'll pick it up where he left off, because yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean that team the starters were DJ, JJ, Jack
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  Speaker 2: Guss and and I mean it was and and and
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  Speaker 2: obviously with Dennis Johnson and DJ, I mean it was
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  Speaker 2: they were unbelievable. Wannie Shelton was the other starter, just
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  Speaker 2: a big, bruising power forward out of Oregon State that
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  Speaker 2: you know. Unfortunately, you look through this list, we've lost
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  Speaker 2: almost all of those players from that championship game team.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Gus has gone, Dennis is gone, JJ's gone,
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  Speaker 2: Lonnie's gone, Paul Silas has gone. I believe Dennis Austry
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  Speaker 2: just passed away as well. Wally Walker and Jack I
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  Speaker 2: think are the only ones left from the teams that
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  Speaker 2: from that championship team. And now we've lost wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: he was on the championship team. But we've lost all
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  Speaker 2: those guys and then losing le I think I think
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  Speaker 2: that's what hurt yesterday is losing Lenny was kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the capp er. It's like, okay, now we've lost
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  Speaker 2: pretty much everything off that team except for we still
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  Speaker 2: have Jack and we still have Fred Brown and Wally.
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  Speaker 2: But that's it. And it's unfortunate because we lost the team,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it's a long long time ago. Nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy nine was a very long time ago. I will
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  Speaker 2: do this while we try to get Hugh back. I
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  Speaker 2: want to let you guys, and I'll carve some time
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  Speaker 2: out after Sando before we get to factor fiction today,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to share memories of what Lonnie or
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  Speaker 2: long sorry, what Lenny Wilkins meant to you as a
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  Speaker 2: Sonics fan, as to see how sports fan, and you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to be fifty five or sixty years old.
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  Speaker 2: You can be as young as they are because he
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  Speaker 2: was still such a massive part of our community and
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  Speaker 2: was still such a huge part of this area. And
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  Speaker 2: thank god that the statue was unveiled at Climate Pledge Arena.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to Todd and the crew over there for
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  Speaker 2: getting that done, you know when they did. Because obviously
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  Speaker 2: Lenny didn't get to see the NBA come back. And
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  Speaker 2: today's not the day to be bitter about that. But
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  Speaker 2: in the back of our minds, every one of us
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  Speaker 2: is thinking that is that it's too bad that he
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  Speaker 2: didn't get to see the NBA come back to that building,
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  Speaker 2: new building, same roof that he led a team to
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  Speaker 2: the title end although they won obviously the championship was
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  Speaker 2: won on the road, But that's too bad. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad that the statue's there, and I know this, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to make time tomorrow before the Cracking game, before
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  Speaker 2: we do the game tomorrow night to make sure I
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  Speaker 2: stop by and just kind of a tip of the
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: cap and just not I mean, Lenny Wilkins was Seattle
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: sports and Lenny Wilkins is such a massive part of
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: our history that it's hard but inevitable. He's eighty eight
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: years old, lived a great life. The other part of
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Lenny Wilkins I think that we need to acknowledge is
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: what he did and meant off the floor. The Lenny
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Wilkins Foundation did a ton of good work and I
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: know it was all documented in the papers and all
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: the old bitch we've seen, we're seeing in all those things.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But the work he did off the court was amazing,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: and he made sure that he made an impact away
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: from basketball as well. And then you think about the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: greatness of Lenny Wilkins in the game of basketball. Leads
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: a team to an NBA title as a coach, but
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: also is inducted in the Hall of Fame as both
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a player and a coach. Only a handful of people
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: have done that. I mentioned six teams that he coached,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: four teams he played for, and he meant something to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: all those markets. I know in the same thing in Portland, Q.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I've said my piece. I'll let you wrap it up
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: next the next couple of minutes before we get to
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: a break and get into football. But by the way
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I did mention, we lost you. This is why I
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: love you. Only you could turn hardcore football and attribute
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: to Lenny Wilkins into hardcore basketball. And in the back
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: of my mind, I'm envisioning Fred Brown in the corner,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: coming off that pick and in that jump shot. But
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: how many of us growing up would do that in
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: our backyards or at the You know, playing seventh grade
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: middle school basketball whatever. We all wanted to remember the
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Fred Brown pump like he'd bring it down to his
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: waist kind of double pump and put it up like
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: we all wanted to be Downtown Freddie Brown. We all
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: wore the knee pads and the elbow pads and eighteen
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: wristbands like Slick, like the late great Slick Wats did. Right.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: We all wanted to be those guys. They were iconic
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: figures to all of us. But you know, as far
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: as the title goes, as I wrapped up and I'll
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: turn it over to you, Lenny led us to that title.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: And he did such great work off the floor as well,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: which I mentioned, but I'll let you take the final
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: two minutes before we get to a break in your thoughts.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I just think that his vision of the three guard offense.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: You know, among my friends when we you know, I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: was a Jim Ratt. I love to play hoop inside outside,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: didn't matter. And you know, but you could A third
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: of my friends, you know, when they pull up, they
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: go GUS like their gus. A third of them pull
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: up and say DJ like they're DJ, third of one.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So Downtown, you know.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Freddy Brown, and so it was like, I don't know
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: that there. I didn't get the sense that there was
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: any one favorite. I think we loved that all three
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: of those guys. And then the front court. You know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: everybody thought, you know, Jack Sikma, who's this Dutch boy,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: haircut guy from Illinois Wesley and look it up, because
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I know there was somebody that most fans thought we
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: should have got other than Sigma. And then his rookie year,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: he was just so good as the power forward on
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: that team. Just is so good in so many ways,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: so poised. And then when Webster left, now Lenny has
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the vision, Hey, I'm gonna take Jack in year two
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: and make him my center. Let Lonnie Shelton be the Ford,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: but Johnny Johnson as the small forward, run the basically
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: a point forward offense, you know, from the top of
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the key. And he had this vision schematically and personnel.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Wise, and you know he took that vision right to
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the championship and gave us the parade you talked about.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I didn't see the parade. I think I was in
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: base baseball, but I slept on the streets for championship
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: tickets down at the Squire shop. You remember the square
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: shop down on the University.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I did the same, but I went to Fidelity Lane.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Buddy, you got, okay, you got so they had all
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: these ticket Outlet's right, you didn't have to And so
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I slept in front of this squire shop, got the tickets.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Man of this great memories.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And then you know, and I'll close with this, the
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: next person that you hear say a bad word about
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Lenny Wilkins in any way will be the first in
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: all of those champ in all of those games. Do
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you ever remember Lenny Wilkins even raising his voice? There
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: was just a stature that he had. He knew how
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: to handle those those personalities. But it had to be
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: now that I played professional sports, there had to be
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: a respect because he never raised his voice. No, he
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: could just cross his arms and look at you, and
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: he got everything that he wanted. And you know, I
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: went to his football camp when I was in middle school.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the year. And you know, so that
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: that speaks to his community outreach and and hey, it's
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: not just going to touch the basketball players. Let me
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: see if I can bring the football kids into the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: community and we can all run this thing and make
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: it even a better camp. You know, it's just you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: that type of impact of the community. Never will forget
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: him real quick. Just that draft he was taken eighth
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: was Jack Yeah, Kent Benson. Kent Benson went one, Otis
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: bird Song two. And I think you could take any
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: like Marcus Johnson, Greg Ballad Walter Davis, Kenny Carr, Bernard King,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Sickma went. And then after that the guy you might
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Cedric Maxwell. Maybe maybe it was Cedric Maxwell because Tom
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: mcguard went right after him and a playing but it
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: might have even been a guy like Tom mcguard, like
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: from pro career they had you have to think of.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you know because Caroline, Ernie Grunfeld.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: It might have been Grunfield because Grunfield, Oh god, well
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: he was part of that duo.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what Tennessee, I think you would. I think there's
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of guys on that list because le Guard, No,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Ray Williams, Ernie Grunfield, Cedric Maxwell, Tree Rawlins remember him, God,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Brad Davis, the guard speaking.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Careers.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: But what you thought of them based on their college career? Yeah, No,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I think I think I'm guess I'm gonna guess I'm
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: gonna guess it might have been either Tom mcgard or
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Cedric Maxwell.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it took about a month for Jack Sickman as
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a rookie power forward to make us forget all about
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: those complaints. And then you know, he just kept stacking
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: greatness on top of it. Of course he's a Hall
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: of Famer, but he, you know, to switch to center
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: in year two to fill the Webster. Nobody would know.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you there's nobody in Seattle that thought, okay,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: we'll be fine without Marvel a front court.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Other than Lenny. Yeah, other than Lenny. Lenny put together
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: that front court with him, JJ and Lonnie. Oh my gosh,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that was something. All Right, we'll take a break, we'll
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: come back, we'll jess.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Yes, Yeah, I just wanted to tell you guys that
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: I actually got to go to the unveiling of Lenny's statue.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: It was over a weekend and it's almost like, you know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: you're not planning on someone passing, but he got to
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: witness basically what would have been said at his funeral.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Good point, you know, for a statue.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: For a statue, you know, it was less than six
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: months ago, it was you know, it was in June
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: end of June, and he got to witness all of
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: these amazing people that he has impacted in his life.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: And I just think it's so special that he got
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: to actually witness it. It wasn't I memoriam when that
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: was happening. Family got the entire family and every single
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: but it was like a red carpet that was pulled out,
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: And I just wanted to say that I'm very happy
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: he got that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: The statue, he got to see Lenny wilkens Way he
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: got to see and his family got to share that
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: with him. And God bless you, any man, you made.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: What a difference you made in our city. All right here,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about a difference yesterday. That would be the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Seahawks roll into another win. We'll get to hardcore football next.
• 23:16
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• 23:34
  Speaker 2: get to this fe because I don't want to run
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: out of time today and we'll probably end up keeping
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you the next two segments anyway. But I was asked
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: a question, I'm do this a little differently today. Well,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you had a couple hours to break down the game today,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and I'll get to something I want to talk about
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the defense of the next segment. But we were getting
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: ready for the hockey game yesterday. We got we all
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: got it, got there early for the for the pregame
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: show for a broadcast at our track and Hockey Network studios,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: which happened to be the Roots Studios, And my buddy
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Stuve Vicu, our great editor, says, we're watching JSN, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: he said, what is it about this guy that makes
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: him so good? He's on pace for almost two thousand yards,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: right around two thousand yards this season. He's having this
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: incredible year, and you know, and a due pointed out
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: roll and then the whole bunch of us are talking
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: about it. Hugh. It's he's six feet two hundred pounds.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: He's not physically imposing, he's not the fastest guy straightaway speed,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: but right now he is playing like the best wide
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: receiver in the NFL. What is it? If you were
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: like putting on your personnel hat, what are the traits
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: that make JSN so damn good.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I break him into two categories. His athletic traits.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: You know, if the sport of football didn't exist, he'd
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: still have athletic traits. And then and then get a
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: little more granular again granular with his football traits.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And you touched it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: At six foot and five eighths, he's in the thirty
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: seventh percentile. So well, let's talk about what he's not.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: He's not tall.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: He did not run at the combine due to his
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: hamstring that got him in that last year at Ohio State,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So we don't know his his uh, his top speed
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: on a forty, but just looking at him on tape,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: he does not have elite long speed. But as we said, look,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: you know six foot and a half, mid mid size,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: not a small guy, not a big guy, but he
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: is a long torsoed, short leged guy, you know, a
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: low cut athlete. So so I mean it's just like
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: you know what what's going to corner around a turn
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: faster or better a suv or you know, of course
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: nine to eleven, right, Like the lower you are to
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: the ground, you your your your weight, you can you
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: can you have body control because you're he has a
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: low center of gravity. So uh if if if you
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: think of like a horse running around a barrel at
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: a contest, you know you you you want to keep running,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: but can you can your body make that turn? So
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: he can make speed cuts at at you know, near
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: full speed and and keep it at a tight radius
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: because of his body style. Now, as far as receiving attributes,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: his IQ is next level elite. Let's talk about let's
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: just take boxes and say can we even can we
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: check them as and and can we put a special
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: color for elite like a green ail Marco, not just
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: he has elite IQ and awareness.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And uh and so he knows zone. He knows how
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to sit.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Down and be friendly to a quarterback in a window
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: if you know, basically has a quarterback. If I see
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: a guy's side numbers running through, he's sprinting through. If
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I see a guy turn his front numbers to me,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: then he's telling me that he's slowing down. He's id
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: lean into that well Jackson Smith and Jacob but just
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: does that quicker and better and more decisive than almost
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: everybody else. So get he's next level IQ. He has
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: great feet while he doesn't have great long speed. He's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: got a feet like a sewing machine, and he can
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: you know the line of scrimmage his releases that touchdown
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: passed that Eliza Royo had against the Commanders. Remember the
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: release that JSN had on the other side of the field.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: It was open by four yards. He's the root and
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: so he's got a great great you know. So he
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: has elite quickness in his feet, even though he doesn't
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: have elite long speed. Then when the balls in the
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: air that touchdown that he had on Sunday where he
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: ran the out and up, so he starts the inside
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: straightens up because he had an inside alignment with cut split,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the defender was going to be outside the divider. The
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: divider's ten yards from the sideline. So the corner says,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: if he's inside of that divider, now it would be
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: a little bit ball that would be in the balls
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: in the middle. The ball on this case was on
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the right hash, so the divider would be inside. But
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: nonetheless he was still about three yards inside the numbers.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: So that's inside the divider. So what the corner is
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: going to be outside? Does that make sense? The corner
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: back is gonna be outside. But when the ball is snapped,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be outside leverage. So now and Jigba loses
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: even more ground, more leverage to him. So he goes
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: way inside and then he starts to bow out. He's
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: widening the corner, and then he goes up. All of
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: this is mindful of where the safety can close on
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the ball because he's got to create space for himself
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: on the ball. Now you got, uh, Sam Darnald. He
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: runs a bootleg, so he's going to his left, really
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: never sets his feet. He's kind of like his momentum
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: is taking him the sideline. Talking about Donald's. So even
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: though it's a nine point nine on an accuracy scale,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: it's not a ten. It's just slightly underthrown. But now
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: here's another elite trait, Jackson Smith. And Jigba looks back
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: like a like a great center fielder tracking the ball.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Where's it gonna go. He knows it's gonna be slightly underthrown.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So what he starts. He gets the defender on his back.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: He literally puts his arms out like he's got like
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: he's spread like he's like he's getting nailed across or something.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And I mean, just uh, that's that's a kind of
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: a morbid analogy, but you get what I'm saying. He
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: like he puts his arms out and and and slows down, Sweeten,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: he gets the defender on his back so that at
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the last split second he can accelerate to the ball
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: and still uh have be completely unaffected by the safety's
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: coming over.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: So his ability to close. So what are the elite
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: attributes elite IQ elite.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Uh quickness, not elite speed, elite ball tracking, and the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: elite hands in finishing ability. I'm pulling it down in traffic.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: So uh, that would be you know, that would be
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: where I would start in the analysis.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I love it. That's I mean, that's a great, great breakdown.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And I because I seriously it turned into a big
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: conversation with a bunch of guys yesterday that you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: cover sports for a living, that are working in sports
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you know obviously you know behind the scenes and are like, man,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: just what and you know what. I think it might
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: have actually even come up on the on that same
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: drive when Donald, I think it was the eight yard past.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Donald kind of rolled to his left and I was
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: talking about it was an eight yard gain to Jackson
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Smith and Jigbee. We're als talking about like real quick,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: we got like a minute here, Hugh. You talked about
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: it the day they brought Sam Donald in his ability
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to roll left and throw across his body over Yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: on that one, I've.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Seen when he runs that over out, so's he's on
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the backside an overrout. His years intermediate and he'll sometimes
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: sit down based on the zone defenders. But on that
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: one he said, no, no, no, I've got to accelerate through.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: So he was on the move as if it was
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: man coverage. So he immediately read, hey, I can't settle
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: down like.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: A normal zone.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I've got the area is to sprint and create as
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: much separation from that linebacker on the other side of
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the window. So so so, but now when Donald turns around,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: he did, you know, you can just read him. He's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: just easy to read, and and you say, okay, I
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: can see it. He's trying to get to the other
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: side of that linebacker. He's trying to accelerate through. And
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: so now Donald turns his shoulder, very difficult throw, throws
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: it in. Was it a cloud corner, which means the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: corner to that side of the field is rolled up
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: in the flat that that is really disconcerting for a quarterback.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: You feel like he's going to fall back into the play.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: But Donald, you know, he just timed it up and
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: smoked it in there. I mean that that's high level football.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I love it from two people high level. Speaking of
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: high level, we got one segment left. Won't be long,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: but you've got to tell me for a team that
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't normally blitz what they were doing on I've never
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: seen this before. Back to back touchdowns rock and roll, Yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: get that. We'll hit that next on Hardcore Football. Next
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  Speaker 2: My Hardcool Football continues after big Seahawk winner with the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Cardinals femailing with us. It wasn't back to back drives,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: but two out of three drives for the Seahawks getting
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: touchdowns DeMarcus Lawrence. If it was hockey, we'd say the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: goal scored by DeMarcus Lawrence the Assiscos to Tyrese Knight, Hugh,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: How similar?
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: How different? What happened on those two plays. Well, I
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: think that they're different. I think they're you know, a
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: lot different, but I certainly see the similarities. I think
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: from a quarterback perspective. On the first one, there was
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: a big overload to Brissette's left where you had d Law,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Emon Worry, and Kobe Bryant all on the line of
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: scrimmage but outside of the left tackle. So there was
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: an overload to Brissette's side. Now you had the running
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: back coming to the left side, so you could handle
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: that provided that Tyreese Knight doesn't do what's called a
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: green dog or a key dog, which means that if
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: the running back steps up to block Emon Worry like
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: he did, Tyree Knight is he's watching and say, well,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I got you.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: If you're going to release into the pattern, but if
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: you block, I'm going to accelerate to the quarterback.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: And so that's what he did.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: And and you know the Cardinals as proof of how
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: bad they were confused on this, to uh Brissett's right
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a chenna nuosu, he dropped off into the flat from
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: his defensive end position, and so the there's a there's
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: a picture there where you got the right guard and
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the right tackle on the right side of the cardinal
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: offensive line blocking Leonard Williams. And they had had an
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: extra lineman in this beach him guy, the backup left
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: tackle number sixty eight. He had been in the backfield,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: and he's coming over on that side as well to
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: block an overload from the right side. That never happened.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: All the overload was to the offense's left side. Uh
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: uh And and yet Seattle busted the coverage. I'm I'm
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: absolutely certain that the Drake Thomas should have been in
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the middle of the field covering Trey McBride. Mc bride
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: is wide open. But Seattle was so effective in their
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: blitz and their confusion and the blitz that they were
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: able to get the hand on and force the fumble
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: and what have you. That the next one was was
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: more of a standard. That was a seven man up front.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: To Brissett's left, there are four. To his right there
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: are three. They drop off two from his left left
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and then bring a third. And and uh they were
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: they set up Night was coming. He blocks the offensive
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: guard on his inside shoulder to set up the the twist.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: In essence, he's giving up his his body so that
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: that uh Arcus Lawrence can loop around on the stunt
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: on the inside. But once he slammed the guard, there
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: was nobody there. That inside gap was a free access.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: So he goes up and and and credit Night. I
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: will say this, credit Night to have the exact timing
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: of where to put his hand to put his hand
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: on the football, right they were breaking it down into frame.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: He got it just in time.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: So I give Night a lot of credit for his
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: kind of football awareness.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: D Law Love d Law.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: That is a Seattle Seaawk. Very hard for me to
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: give a hell of a lot of credit to him.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: It's going to go down in the books that he
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: had two touchdowns, and I'm sure it's gonna raise his
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: grade by somebody. But I think that's just the luck
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of the of how the ball bounced, because because he
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: didn't do it, he didn't do anything of consequence other
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: than not blow the fumble recovery right, right.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, scoop and score better go right, you got a
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: scoop and score, don't jump on it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess I should give him a little
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: bit of credit, but I think I think number one
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: credit goes to Mike McDonald. Yes, absolutely, and then the presence,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: as I said, the timing by night is absolutely that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: That's that's playmaking football by NFL standards. He did it,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: and see how benefited obviously. Okay, I got two minutes, Shre.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I gotta ask you this question. I brought it up earlier.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: This is a team. I don't know if it's the
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: same as as baseball, but we talked about we use
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: a baseball analogy when you talk about the coverage all
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the time with the infield and our fingers and all that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So we go three ye right, yep. So let me
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: in baseball, if you lose the middle of your infield, catcher, shortstop, slash,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: second basement one or the other, and a center fielder,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: you're probably in trouble. Seattle was missing a defensive tackle
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: in Jared Reed, their middle linebacker, and Nurst Jones and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: their safety and Julian Love and yet their their defense
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: is playing at this level right now. Is that just
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: speak to Mike McDonald.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: And I would say, if there's this kind of like
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: you gotta be strung up the middle, my reply would be, well,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, aren't aren't the the pivotal players on
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: a defense The defense, the edge rushers and the cornerbacks
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: like Al Davis would say, no, it's not being strung
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: up the middle, it's being strong on the perimeter. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I I just think he got eleven players. They all
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: have to be good and and and you really can't
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: have lousy players. But to your point closing it out,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I have just blown away at Tyo Cotta's development in
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: just watching him play for a month. You know, he's
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: just he's firing his gun, his his presence of where
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: to be. You know, he's he's playing with confidence and awareness.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: He seems to be playing with a high IQ level.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: And Drake Thomas, uh, you know his you know, just
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: an underachieving guy. But here here's what Drake Thomas has
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: given you excuse me, overachieving, overachieving for his physical traits
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: you know, small right, uh you know, not not real
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: tall for sure, not real heavy, but overachieving. Let me
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: emphasize that point. I misspoke.
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: But you know, for a.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Linebacker, it's your vision is a lot like a running back.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Like a running back has to find daylight.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Well, so many times when you're watching Drake Thomas, the
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: plays he's been making.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: How about that third and one on the on the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: counter play.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Where he like just like he is his vision and
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: scene where the holes are it really mirrors in many
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: ways of running back and so he's finding the holes
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: to sift through to go get the running back and
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: so so yes, I would say, Mike McDonald.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: You know what a firm believer I am on him
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: in every aspect.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: He's got a vision about how NFL defense should look,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: and the bar is very high. He knows how to
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: teach it, he knows how to adjust to it. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's damn fun. It is really fun to
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: watch these guys and and it's a hard defense to
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: prepare for. And you know this, this Sunday makes for
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: one of the most exciting Regular Seasons games we've seen
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: in many years. By my book, it's to be awesome.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: It is going to be absolutely awesome as well.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: You're the best. Thank you, my friend, Thank you so much.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I can't be the best when you're the best. Sap it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: That was a fun trip down memory. Yeah, I was,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: thanks for letting me. I'm glad we got to do that.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: That's the first thing I thought of yesterday. You know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: we're a lot of different guests. We could go down.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I want to talk to
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: a guy that's kind of in my same generation that
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: probably let me means the same thing to him as
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: to me much younger than you. Don't be selling that fiction.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: First of all, that's not true. But okay, I'll tell
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: you this. I was in high school watching humil and
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  Speaker 2: play in college. So I'm just you guys do the math.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: You guys do the math. I asked for that, the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: math man. All right, but I'll talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 2: for the Cardinals yesterday. They are now seven to two
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  Speaker 2: Mike Sandal joining us from the Athletic to pick six.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Call him is up there, Sandals pick six at the Athletic,
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  Speaker 2: the Athletic dot com. You go check that out right now.
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  Speaker 2: Great read, especially because he spends a lot of time
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: talking about the NFC, which we'll get to you in
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: just a couple of seconds. Hi, Mike, how are you great?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Ready for a
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: good money night game. We'll get quick fun on out
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  Speaker 2: and mentioned that in our headlines. I should we have
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• 42:27
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty good NFC tilt, isn't it. It really is.
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: You know, you got the Packers coming up or the Eagles.
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: You know should be rested for this. But the Packers
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: are you know, a team that's had a couple losses.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: I think their fan base is a little nervous. You know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: they've lost at home to Carolina, they lost to Cleveland,
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: gave up forty points tide Dallas. I think they were
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: a team that, you know, probably was a favorite to
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: maybe get to the super Bowl, and now we're I mean,
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: we're not so sure, you know, all of these heather
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: teams have surged and they haven't.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get we'll get back to them. We talk
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: to the NFC as a whole. In just a second
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: thought from you, Brian Daboll fired today by the Giants.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: They're sitting at two and eight. Not that long ago
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: they were a playoff team. It feels like they may
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: have found, if he can stay healthy, their quarterback in
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the future in Jackson Dart. But he's let go. Mike
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Kafka takes over, who was a guy that, if I'm
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: not mistaken, was kind of a trending head coach in
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: waiting guy a couple three years ago. But he's still
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: in New York. So what's Mike sandals thoughts on what's
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: going on inside the Giants room?
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: Well, I do believe that. I think they've they've blown
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: four double digit leads this year and lost. Sometimes it's
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: losing is one thing, but how you lose when you're
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: up nineteen to nothing in the fourth quarter and give
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: up thirty three points to Denver and then you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: yesterday they had another one where they were how did
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: you lose this game? I think those take a toll.
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: And then Brian Daball's personality is obviously intense, so that
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: combination probably didn't help. I think Mike Kofka is not
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: like that at all. So Kofka has interviewed for coaching
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: jobs with the Seahawks, with the Saints, with other teams,
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: and uh, you know has impressed some people with that
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: and intrigued some people. Obviously people weren't ready to just
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: make him the head coach right then, but he he's
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: been on people's radar. So I think it's a really
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: good opportunity for them if they feel like they have
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: the quarterback in Jackson Dart if he's going to be
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: you know healthy soon he has a concussion. But what
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: does this pairing look like?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: And could Mike Kafka be the head coach, especially if
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: you're planning to kind of not blow the whole thing up,
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: depending what they're gonna do with the GM at the
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: end of the season. You know, just Coffie gets some
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: different results. Is it a better vibe in the building.
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: Because Daballs had issues with staff and Wink Martindale back
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: and forth and that sort of a thing. This from
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: an intensity and personality situation, whereas Kafka has been a
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: quarterback of a team, and he you know, he's a
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: little bit of a different, different temperament.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, So it does sound like it,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And maybe the reason they make the move is kind
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: of an audition, so to speak, for the final seven
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: games of the year.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: Well, yes, once, that's not the only reason. I mean,
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: the reason is they're losing and Brian Dabo has too
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: many losses, right. But I do think you when you're
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: going to make that decision, you do have to ask yourself, Okay,
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: is there an alternative that we want to look at?
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: I think in this case there is. I think Kafka
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: would be somebody that not only do they want to
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: look at, but the league gets to look at him too.
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: He'll do people will get to see his postgame press conference,
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: so they'll get to see his sideline demeanor. They'll get
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: to see what Jackson Dart looks like, you know, with him,
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: and those types of things are valuable when you're trying
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: to project how somebody might do in the role.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: It is Mike Sando joining us here. Pick six column
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: is up right now. Seahawks an impressive win over the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: weekend over the Arizona Cardinals, impressive in the sense that
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: he's pretty much dominated to start to finish. Arizona obviously
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: having its issues, also impresses what the what the Rams
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: did along the way as well.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: You posted the graphic today NFC teams odds to reach
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl per the playoff simulator, the Rams at
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: the top of the list, followed by the Eagles and
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks. Right now, Rams the biggest change, right plus
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: sixteen percent from the preseason, Seattle number two at plus
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: eleven percent. So let's start with the Seahawks and what
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: they're doing with Mike McDonald, because I know that they're
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: in that building and you're over that building every now
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: and then, like I am. They're probably not surprised by
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the results right now, but I think a lot of
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: other people around the league, and maybe list some of
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the executives that you talked to, or are they surprised
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: by what Seattle's doing?
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say that Seattle is better than most
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: people in the league thought. There were people who liked
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: their roster, but I think you needed to see what
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: they had at the quarterback position, how that would fit,
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: and that's been spectacular. I don't know that anybody could
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: have thought it would be this good with I mean
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: Sam Donold's every nine point nine yards capacity, that's just
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: not done, you know, over a season. So that's better
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: than anybody thought it would be, maybe even better than
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: Seattle thought it would be. So what strikes me about
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: the team is they play with an aggression on defense.
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: They are bought in, They are really playing physically. So
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: that is super encouraging for just the health of the program,
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: you know, And it's not like they just have one
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: or two stars who are you know, the key to
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: the whole thing. It's a lot of different people. They
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: have a lot of different guys, waves of people up
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: front that make plays and all sort of play with
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: that tenacity. So that's a very positive reflection of the
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: head coach to me.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: The other team they're going to see this week, the Rams,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: also seven to two in the NFC West. You wrote
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: about this. Matts Stafford has hit RAMS career high, RAMS
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: era career high for EPA P pass play air yards
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: per past attempt at the age what is he? He's
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: thirty eight, right, is he? Yeah?
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: What's going on with him? I mean he's playing his bet.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: You can make that argument some of his best footballs played.
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: The reason why they have had their Super Bowl odds
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: improved the most is because everyone thought he was done
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: in training camp back injuries, not practicing age. Remember even
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: you know, it wasn't that long ago they let him
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: like look at other teams, you know, it sort of
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: felt like it's been winding down for him with the RAMS,
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: and so for him to come out after the back
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: injury and just now be totally fine and playing the
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: whole season and looking like he's thirty two probably is
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: not what the expectation was. So it's really why I
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: think their whole team, you know, has probably responded to that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: Right when you know you've got a chance every week
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: and you know you've got one of the best quarterbacks,
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: you're gonna get the most out of your whole roster.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: We know what Pukiniku is all about. What is DeVante
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Adams meant to them?
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: It's very interesting in one of the quotes in the
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: story will resonate with Seahawks fans when you talk about
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: adding a veteran receiver, right, the thing that's always most
• 49:07
  Speaker 8: valued by the quarterbacks, even sometimes beyond how fast they
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: are or anything like that, is do I know where
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: they're going to be when you're trying to assimilate in
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: Think about how long it can take for a coach
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: or a quarterback and a receiver to get on the
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: same page. So when you have a veteran quarterback like
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: Matthew Stafford, you plug into DeVante Adams. He is the
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: type of guy who's going to be where he's supposed
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: to be, and so there's confidence and trust right away.
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: Look at Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh and how that's not
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: the case with DK Metcalf. DK Metcalf's sometimes makes a
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: great play, sometimes he doesn't turn around. Sometimes he slows
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: up his route because he's not sure it's coming there.
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: And you can tell that even though Rogers is at
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: fault sometimes too with it being so finicky, he doesn't
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: know where Metcalf's going to be all the time, so
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: it's harder to have that automatic reppoor in crunch time situations.
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: Devanta Adams very good along the boundary, along the back
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: of the end zone, getting his feet down on all
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: of those types of things. He's an expert at those
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: little details of the game. So it meshes very well
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: with some of like Stafford, who knows exactly what he's doing.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Mike Sando joining us from the athletic All right, we
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: touched it on, but let's go back to it. Eagles
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and Packers tonight. Sam Darnold has made a big difference
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: for Seattle. Matt Stafford, you just articulated exactly what he's
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: doing for the Rams right now. I know you talked
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: to at least in one executive. Maybe not the same
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: confidence in a Jalen Hurts as you have for say
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: even a Jared Goff or a Sam Donald and Matt Stafford.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know where Jordan Love fits into that mix,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: because as I'm looking at all these top teams and
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: you got Baker Mayfield with the Buccaneers as well, very
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: quarterback driven league. Is there concern with guys you talk
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: around the league about Jalen Hurts Right now, I'm.
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: A super WEW MVP, So you say, hey, what's he
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: lacking that the other guys aren't lacking? And I think
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: when they have their whole system going, with their offensive line,
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: running back all of that, he's an integral part of
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: a very productive offense. What people recognize, though, is when
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: you do get if you do get into a situation
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: where you've got to got to throw the ball, not
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: get to throw the ball, but you have to throw it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: That's not his strong suit as much as it is
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: some of those other guys. Some of those other guys
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: are better, more consistent passers than he is. And that's
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: taking nothing away from Jalen Hurts, because he's proved himself
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: as a guy who wasn't he was expected to not
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: even be good enough to be a starter at one point.
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: He's certainly that. And he throws the ball well enough,
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: but I don't think you want him throwing it as frequently,
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: you know, as comfortable with him throwing it as frequently
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: as you are some of those otter guys. And so
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: that's why there's that feeling in the league. Now you
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: put him with Saquon Barkley in a great offensive line
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: and all of that, it can still be a great
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: situation for them.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just as I look through here these just
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: that chart you put up, Rams, Eagle, Seahawks, Packers, Lions, Buccaneers,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the forty nine ers out of
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it just because I don't think I think with the
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: injuries they had, they're not a true super Bowl content anymore.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: So one two, three, four, one two, three, four five.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Is it safe to say there's six teams in the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: NFC that could probably win it?
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: I mean it's probably five and a half, yeah, because
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: I don't know if I think Tampa's almost in that
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: same boat with the injuries. Yeah, they have four wins
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: by total of nine points. Yeah, the Mike Evans injury
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: hurts them, right, That's that's a tough one. Mike Evans
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: is out, you know, and then they've had a multiple
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: offensive linemen out, running back out. Defense really gave up
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: some huge place in New England yesterday. So yeah, I
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: mean I think they're good, but I don't I think
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: that they maybe have faded a little bit.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Other side of the ball. You wrote about New about
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Buffalo just kind of almost a malaise, and they're they're
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: you know, they're eight and two Buffalo or their six
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: and three. Rather New England is eight and two leading
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: the AFC East, which Buffalo has just kind of run
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: roughshot over for the last however many years kind of
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: cruising along. Is Buffalo in trouble? Are there legitimate concerns
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: about Buffalo or are they going to be like Kansas
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: City and hit a switch at some point.
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: I think there's legitimate concerns because I don't think their
• 53:06
  Speaker 8: defense is as talented as maybe it's been other times.
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: I think it's well coached and well coordinated. But you know,
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: then look at the wide receiver position I think is okay,
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: but not anything special. So I think in the AFC
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: this year, maybe this is why the Colts made a
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: big trade. You respect Buffalo and they can turn it
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: on and they can be good, and you don't want
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: to play them, but no one, you're not necessarily seeing
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: anybody there that you're it is so consistently that right,
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: there's question marks. You just asked a question about Buffalo,
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: which maybe we wouldn't have been asking last year. We
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: don't only been asking can they get past Kansas City
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: in the championship game? Well? Is Kansas City going to
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: be in the championship game this year?
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: I think it's you know, I think Buffalo's got as
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: good a chance as there's a lot of those teams
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: in the FC, but not as they're not as reliable
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: as they've been.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I want to throw a curveball at you if I
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: can to end things off and I'm just not curveball,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: but just I'm looking for clarification because for be able
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: to know Mike's involved with the Hall of Fame process
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: as well. Six nine head coaches, nine semifinalists this year
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: in the coach category, Bill Belichick, Tom Cofflin, Mike Hongrim,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Dan Reeves, Marty Schottenheimer, George Seffert,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: and Mike Shanahan. That list was released the other day.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: We've gone around around, We've talked about it. You know
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: how we all feel about Mike. We see Bill Belichick's
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: name on a list, and it seems like that's absolutely
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: a no brainer, probably year one, but who knows. I mean,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: you guys have to go through the process. Is my
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: question is is it still just one? And would there
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: ever be a push to have more than one? And
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not even asking for Mike, because the Dan Reeves
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: argument is a really strong one, right, I mean, all
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: those guys are strong arguments. Marty Schottenheimer's one. You could
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: make a strong argument for Mike Shanahan, for sure. They
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: all feel Hall of Fame worthy. The Pro Football Hall
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: of Fame, to me, is the hardest one to get
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: into Mike. It just is It's like it feels like
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: the Nay Smith, all due respect to Lenny and everybody else,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Nate Smith. It feels like if you're an All Star
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: a few times, you're in the damn Hall of Fame.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Pro football is really hard, baseball kind of hard, but
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: with the coach part of it. Have you guys ever
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: had discussions about more than one coach going in per year?
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: Not really, but they do change those things every once
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: in a while. I think the move has been towards
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: more exclusivity. They've made it harder for the coaches to
• 55:21
  Speaker 8: get in. Just last year, so you know, this year,
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: I would be I don't want to speak out of turn,
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: but I mean Bill Belichick's up. I mean, you would
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: think Bill Belichick would just go right into the Hall
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: of Fame, right, He's number two in the wins and yes,
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: you know, and he's you know, got six Super Bowls
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: and you know, a great defensive coach and all of that,
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: so you know, he probably has the best resume, and
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: I would you know, I would think that there will
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: be his year this year and then come back the
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: next year and you know, home we're gonna probably be
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: kind of where he was this last time. I would
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: think he was at the top before Bill got there.
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: But you know, Bill Belichick is.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: One of one Bill Belich. I mean, yeah, let's let's
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: take Carolina out of the mix, for North Carolina out
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: of the mix for a second. Is what he's done
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: in terms of winning Super Bowls. Tom brady aside doesn't matter.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's unparalleled and obviously in pro football history.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I just I think if I'm a Denver, I'm like, well,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: what about our guys, Shanahan, what about our Yeah? Right,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I mean it's I love Chuck Knox. I don't think
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Chuck is in that same category with those guys, obviously
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: with the Super not having Super Bowl win. But but yeah, Mike,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I mean that that's a really impressive list of guys
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: that are going to be up every single year moving ahead.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: That's why I ask if there would ever be a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: push for more.
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: That's okay though, That's okay with me because to me,
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: I would have rather had the exclusivity even before. I
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: felt like, you know, they've changed the standards enough that
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: there's a couple of coaches that got in that wouldn't
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: get in. Now you know, and so that's the hard part.
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: Is like homegruns having to wait when a couple other
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: guys went right in, Uh, you know, Dick for Meal
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: or whoever went in Dick. If Dick for Meal is
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: not in right now, you know, is he getting in?
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: Nothing against Dick for Meal. I have all the respect
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: in the world for him, but is he is his
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: resume better than Holme grins? Right? You see what I'm saying.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly hard.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: It's a hire. It's like they raised the bar after
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: some of these guys got in.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, you guys have a tough job.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: There's absolutely no doubt about that. But we'll see what happens.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll probably have to wait another year for
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Mike to be a finalist because the Super Bowl rings
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: that the Bill Belichick has filling up his hands does
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: not lie. That is that does not lie at all.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: All Right, Mike, great stuff. Go check out his pick
• 57:24
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• 57:26
  Speaker 2: read every Monday morning at The Athletic Theathletic dot Com.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, Thank you. There you go. That's Mike
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Sando joining us. He'll also be on later on this
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: week with our morning show as well, talking all things
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: and flu again, you can fire off if you want
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: to do a talkback. Gives a talkback, go to the
• 57:42
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• 57:46
  Speaker 2: And what I mentioned for that earlier is the Leady
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Wilkins stuff. If you have a memory, and I don't
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: know anders I even just touched on it. You're a
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: lot younger, different generation. You heard the name Lenny Wilkins.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Is passing? What went through your mind?
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: Well it's It's funny because right before Hugh came on,
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: it was He's like, you probably don't remember anything about
• 58:04
  Speaker 9: Lenny Wilkins, And I'm like, not me personally, but my grandfather,
• 58:08
  Speaker 9: who I've mentioned a couple of times on this show,
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: has been lucky enough to have a lot of really
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: interesting relationships, and I think he had a couple really
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: cool interactions with Lenny Wilkins, has nothing but great things
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: to say about him. So I have a little bit
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: more of a personal connection through my grandfather. Of course,
• 58:27
  Speaker 9: who you know, played at the same golf course as
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: he did for a long time, and they've they, like
• 58:31
  Speaker 9: I said, he would know who he was, so It's
• 58:33
  Speaker 9: pretty cool that they have that. But yeah, it's it's
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: something that I'd never had a personal experience with, but
• 58:40
  Speaker 9: I can see from the reaction of everyone, whether it's you,
• 58:43
  Speaker 9: whether it's Hugh, whether it's Jess, kind of all people
• 58:46
  Speaker 9: that had any sort of relationship, even through something else,
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: whether it was just watching his games on TV or
• 58:54
  Speaker 9: something like that. I love what you said about no
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: one has anything bad to say about him, and just
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: everything that I've seen and heard from about who he
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: is as a person, I think is the biggest thing
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: that we're going to miss from him.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Just an iconic figure in Seattle sports. And just the
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: fact that he was here after his playing and his
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: other coaching. You know, he coached after Seattle obviously, but
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: once it was all said and done, is his he
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: was still a Seattle guy through and through, even though
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: he wasn't from here originally. Is pretty awesome to see. Yeah,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: it's condolence is obviously the Lenny Wilkins and his family
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: along the way, And yeah, I remember just all my
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: other quick story. His son was really a soccer player,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: by the way, Randy really soccer player, played for Lakeside
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and remember playing against him, I remember the coolest thing
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: ever seen Lenny Wilkins there watching a game, like, oh
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: my god, he's here. Game screw up so let his
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: kids score. I don't know, no, it was. It was awesome.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: He was a treasure. He was our treasure. And may
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: he rest in peace. We'll come back check the text line,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: maybe get a talk back or two, and then a
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: little Factor fiction next.
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• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: No Factor Fiction coming up in five minutes time. In
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: the meantime, read a couple of texts.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Here along the way.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: My last favorite, Lenny Wilke's memories. When you guys got
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: him on KJR, he and Jess would get to talking
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: and they would both slip back into national East Coast access.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Lenny never lost that accent. Let me always not. Yeah,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Jess will slip back into it every now and then.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Fucking yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: I think that was when he was here in studio
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: with Craig Bell, right, yes, I believe so, yep, yep.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: Earlier this summer.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let me get to the ones earlier. Hey,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: fellas great Lenny stuff. I could add him eighty one,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: but you're the best. That's from Larry, Larry uh Downtown
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Freddie Boum before the three point line, Yeah, I was.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: If you look at Fred Brown's career numbers, like in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: the final series that they won, he averaged nine points
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: a game. If there would have been a three point line,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing I'd be like fifteen. Well, I mean almost
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: all his shots for the outs. Okay, so I'm gonna guess, yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: closer to maybe twentieth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, guess same way.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I gut shot from I mean as well. But yeah,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: that's that's for sure. Like you Ian, I took the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: bus to the parade from North Seattle. That's from the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: two six.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's that's it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Lenny Wilkins meant to me basketball. I had the record
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: the Sonic Boom, listened to it and played the highlights
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: out in my bedroom from five to ten years old.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Lenny was a player, coach, was the leader of the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Sonics organization. Bob Blackburn was the voice and Lenny was
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: the leader. Yeah. You know when they when Lenny was
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: coaching here. Very few games were on TV and are
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: for many of us, are window to the Sonics for
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: most games was Bob Black on the radio, right, and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: then you know the odd TV game you'd see or
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: you'd see the highlights. Back when you know, we would
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: have sports on the new local news at eleven o'clock. Yeah,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy, crazy talk and they'd show like highlights.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: That's that was kind of our window to the world.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that was that was it. Keith Miller. I'm
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: doing one more Hobegger hop for Lenny. Rest in peace.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Lenny the Legenie made a two h six a better
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: place to live. We'll keep up the good fight to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: bring back our Sonics.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the one sad part I think, and you
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: guys alluded to it when you were talking with you,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: but the fact that he didn't get to see them
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 9: come back sucks.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just I I'm so glad. And I'm
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: guessing that was a that was a lie Wiki and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: CPA world thing. I'm sure there's a politician or two
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: taking credit for it, but knowing how they work with things,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: that seems very todd.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: L Wiki liked little bit of an expedited process to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: get that and get that statue, you know, and I'm
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: a big fan. I don't think you could have enough statues.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's great.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome, right and mobile, Yeah, you know, but CPA
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: should have more. Lenny should have been the first, and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: he was. Sue absolutely, Sue goes up there. But I
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: think there's other sonics we could put. I think George
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: could have one.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: I think, you know, I think, you know, get a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: Peyton Kemp one together. Yeah, I kind of like that.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 9: That's actually a good idea.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I don't I think you could certainly put like put
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: some Look, we have great artists and sculptures out there.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I think something with the seventy nine sonics besides Lenny
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: should be out there. I don't know what it would be.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just a statue of the Larry O'Brien troph,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but something with the plaque with them on. Yeah,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: you know, there should be something there because that was
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: a title and the first title. Yeah, the first title,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: and I think you know, having something you know with
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Jack and Freddie, I mean that's starting five, and you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: had of Paul Silas and Wally Walker and all those
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: guys in there. I mean, that's there could be something done.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: And listen, knowing how some of those guys operate, I'm
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: sure those discussions have taken place. I mean they're already
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: doing so much of getting that stadium redone and all
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: those things. But yeah, I'm glad that there was that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: statue and Lenny Wilkins's way, and he was there every time.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: I hear Foresland say that you know he's coming right
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: down and all that. So let's see. Thank you, Hugh
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Millan for paying the picture of downtown Fredy Brown. I'm
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: sixty years old. I can really remember fred taking that
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: screen and shooting with his shoulder forward and making his
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: three yes Lake Louise elementary shooting that long shot. I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't at Lake Louise. I was at Fatima. But yeah,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: and I was not a shooter or lea Fatima. I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: was not a shooter by any means, not even close.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: Two five three guys Sikma's jump shot where he double
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 9: pumped with no chance of ever getting blocked. I imitated
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 9: that show.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: He held it above his head, right, you ever watch
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: it like hold it above his head and do that
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: along the way so yeah, I think the you know,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: the end result listened a lot of good texts today.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Lenny Wilkins meant so much to so many of us
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: my age. But then the legacy of what he created
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: still is there. And I think the coolest thing is
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: is that there's a statue there. There's a banner that
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: needs I wish the banner was hanging, to be honest
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: with you, in Climate Pledge. Yeah, I know, I know
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: they're waiting. I get that. I don't know. I'd like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: to see it hanging in there. I think we should
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: have that seventy nine banner.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 9: It's going to beat the Home of the Sonics, but
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 9: I'd like to I'd like him now, put it up now, right,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 9: put it up now, put it up now. But we
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: don't win a championship without Lenny Wilkins coming in his numbers.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 9: By the way, that year, I think I go back
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: and find this his numbers. He was talking about it
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: and we kind of got distracted and we lost him
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 9: for a second.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: You got to scratch him with you.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes that happens. I just want to go back.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I think he was was it forty two and seventeen?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: I do believe, Yeah, something like that after he took
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: over for for Bob Hopkins. That's crazy, like he came
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: in and just flipped the switch on that team. I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: mean just boom. Oh now we're in the NBA Final.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, oh, that's all right.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: It's why he's in the Hall of Fame as a
• 1:06:03
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  Speaker 2: though he yelled at me during the draft a couple
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: of years ago. Uh yukon coming off an upset win
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: over the blue levels of Duke, who still have an
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: outside shot to win the ACC, the absolute gong Show
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: disaster that is the Atlantic Coast Conference. They still only
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: have one loss in the ACC. They're five and four overall, Duke.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: You know why because Yukon beat him last week. Yukon
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: playing host to air Force this week, favored by seven.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Jim Mora is gonna get the dirt bags going. I say,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Yukon minus seven facts, go Huskies. That's what I'm saying
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: right now. Four nine four five.
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  Speaker 4: Okay Huskies.
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  Speaker 2: Yukon Husky's fact minus seven against air Force fact four
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  Speaker 2: nine four to five one if you disagree, fiction four
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  Speaker 2: nine four four. He's got them seven and three, seven
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  Speaker 2: and three, dirt bag Jim Moore has got him.
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  Speaker 4: Going right, Yes, Psycho, but he's a decent coach.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: That is an incredible coaching job for an independent school
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: that only cares about basketball and soccer. That's all they
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: care about there, and men's and women's basketball and soccer
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: is number four on the list. Football is like way
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: down there somewhere, so good for them. Good for Jim
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Mora seven and three, coming off a big, big win
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: over Duke. I'm going again with my guy, my guy,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Jim by the way, air Force two and four, three
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: and six overall. Yeah, more is gonna slam those guys.
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  Speaker 2: Fact four nine four to five one minus seven a
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  Speaker 2: Yukon fact four four five one if you discrete fiction fourne.
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  Speaker 9: Four Quick clarification, is Yukon home in this game? Yes
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: they are so, it's not at air Force, I believe so. Yes,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: yes they're home, Yes they're Yes, they're playing in minus
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: seven minus seven.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like on minus seven. I like it against
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: a three and six air Force team. Come on, come on,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: what are we doing here?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree, let's go. Jim Moore the next coach
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: of the Washington Huskies. He's gonna go Huskies to Huskies when.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: Jed Fish leaves right well, he can't say that out
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: loud anymore. That's how he loses jobs.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: That's true. That is true. Hello Atlanta Falcons, Serry. Yeah,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm on team Mora. So Jim, if you're listening,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm telling you I'm rooting for you this week.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Let's got me text.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: Him, No, I'll get him on the phone.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: We cleared things that. We cleared things up after an
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable you're fine. We were fine after a while.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: He just needed to give you the business.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Well, he tried to blame me for getting fired, like,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: I know, that was ridiculous. How do I have any
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: juice at all?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: He fired himself, you know what.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: The dumb thing about that, the dumbest thing about that
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: is I was critical of him getting fired on the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: air to the point where Todd by Wiki was a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: president of the Sex and he pulled me aside at
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: the news conference and said, look, Furnace, you know what
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I'm doing. You saw this, You saw it, you were there.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: That is such a Todd life.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: Did he call you furnace, Yes, he still does. That's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: what my phone calls here.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: He calls me Furnace. You were there, you saw I
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, Todd, I'm sorry.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: Is difficult though.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Well, when Todd had to go to Paul g Allen
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: and say, we're gonna pay this guy like twenty million
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: dollars not to coach, yeah, i'd be hard. And oh,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: by the way, we're gonna pay Pete Carroll like eight
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: million to come in from USC Yeah, that's a hard
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: one to do.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: Then we're going to pay seven million dollars to team.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: I deficited Jim and he and then he got mad
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: at me when they drafted Christian Haynes on draft nights.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: And you know what, in Europe, you didn't even stand
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: up for me. I had to fight my own battle.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: You stood tall in the pocket.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I was there.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I did. I'm still tall in the pocket. I still
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: try pressure again, like you're blaming me. Were you getting fired?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: What's more time with the pick in? I don't know
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: rooting for you, head coach Jim Moore than you cut
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Huskies go Huskies minus seven fact over air force four
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: nine four to five one fiction If you disagree four
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: nine four five one the next coach of the other Huskies.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well I mean right now, I think tell
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you right now, Jim Morris. Jim Moore didn't lose to
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: a team this year who's the opposing quarterbacks through twenty
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: four yards and that quarterbacks plural. Jim Mora didn't lose
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: to a team that had forty eight passing yards for
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: a game, twenty four coming from the punter. GM Moura
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: didn't do that. His Huskies wouldn't lose that game. Jed,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: damn right, I'm a Jim more.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: Guy, can't wait for the next segment.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Were about actually, were gonna talk about something else? We
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: gotta we got about all right? There you go, Factor
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  Speaker 2: Fiction four nine four five, The Lucky Eagle Casino and
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  Speaker 2: Hotel where every day feels lucky. I don't want to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: waste everything you're doing it today with Lenny.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: Oh there's nothing oh that yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to do that,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: but uh, I did want to get a quick thought
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: from you before you Yeah, just with you and I talking,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we're we're old enough to remember
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Lenny Wilkins coach and player. And I don't know player
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: as much. But how old were you? Seventy nine six six,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: so you probably five and three quarters. I don't have
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of memory of the seventy nine team. My
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: memory is where sonic basketball started, probably in the early eighties,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: like early early eighties, when the either King County or
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Seattle PD used to hand out basketball cards.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: Oh really they did, Seahawks and Marion's officer friendly, Oh yeah,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: they all had cards on him. That was back when
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: they gave kids candy and baseball cards and things like
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: that and changed your job was to behave yourself and
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: listen to mom and dad, which you did not work
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: at all. No, so that's a memory less hot Baker
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: lived across the street from us. The old assistant coach,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 7: Bob Blackburn lived on Woodridge Hill, so we'd see him
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: running around all the time. But yeah, I mean Lenny
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: was a god. I mean he's one of the very
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 7: few guys in this town where you don't even need
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: to say his last name. You just say Lenny and
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: people know who you're talking about, right, I mean, that's it.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: So very few people reached that status. And I remember
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: when Clay bought the basketball team. Were you there when
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: he came to the old three point fifty one Elliott
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: Avenue for the meeting. We had a meeting downstairs and
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: a boardroom, and Lay had enlisted Lenny Yep for a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: pr kind of purpose to help him sell people on
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: the idea that he was going to build a new
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: arena in renting Yep, And he brought Lenny down here
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: with him, and I remember thinking when it was over,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: and I remember thinking in the months after that that god,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: man is is Lenny just being gullible.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: With this guy?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: He honestly wanted to believe anybody and everybody who wanted
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: to bring the Sonics back to town.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, at that point, I let him leave because
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: they're here.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, Yeah, you know he would just he would
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: just believe you.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: Well, no matter how gullible that guy that or how
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: you know, skeptical, you were pessimistic, you were, he was
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: all in and he would he was down there was
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: defending him.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: He was like, this is the guy, let's do it.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: Everybody was desperate, and I was desperate to get them back,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 7: partially because the guys like him that we knew this
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: was possible.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: He was eighty eight years old. And now I'm getting
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: kind of irritated and.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: Kind of pissed off all over again, because this is
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: why we keep saying, Hey, don't give us this. They'll
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: be back. Don't give us It's only a matter of time.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: Not everybody has forever, and Lenny was one of the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: guys that did not have forever. And now the fact
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: that he's gone and he won't get to see them
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 7: return when they do return, this is why there's urgency here.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Man. Well, no one's getting younger.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: No, And just like Mike and the Hall of fame, right,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, and it's it's.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Going to be another year, two years for that. Yeah,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: because this.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: Year my dad, your dad never saw a World Series.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 7: How much would you guys have loved doing that together
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: as father and son?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Are you kid?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I think, well, and you go back this we talk
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: about the Sonics for a second. This has been a
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: brutal year, Gus Slick and now Lenny And then you
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: look at that, you know what. I was talking to
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Hugh earlier about it, and I was looking at the roster. Jack,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: it's Fred, Jack and Wally. It's about it. That's it.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: That's about it.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Dennis Autry pass away that I don't know that I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: don't is the big name, big name. Those are the three.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, for Tito passed away a couple
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: of years. That's right, yeah, he here forever. All those
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: guys man, So it's uh, yeah, we're not getting any younger, dude.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: So this is the price you pay when you drag
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: your feet, right, It's the price you pay when you
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: let the politician say goodbye to something like this.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: You rely on them to get it back for you.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: I think about Greg Nichols and that stupid ass comment
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: he made the day they left it. Well, if we
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: want the team back, the best thing we can do
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: is let him walk. And I'm like, freaking gullible idiot.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 7: The Mayle chuckled up there.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, God, remember Jean godd And I'm not even sure
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: if she's around it anymore.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I think all I remember from that is I think
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I was at that point.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: I was.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I was down there at City Hall and I think
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I was holding physically holding the least woodward back. I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: thought she was gonna go out there, Well she saw
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: the greatest. The least story is when she saw Howard
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: a Costco and went after him. He was like selling books,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: he was doing a book there, Like, well, I mean,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: how tone deaf are you? I know right, I mean,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: you're you're the dude that let this thing walk anything
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: walking into a Costco and asking for people to buy
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  Speaker 2: your book and pay for your autograph? Are you?
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  Speaker 5: Are you that dense?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Apparently he was.
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  Speaker 5: He was unbelievable. So yeah, we're going to miss him tremendously.
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  Speaker 7: My last conversation with him that Dick and I had
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: on the air when he got the statue. The one
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: thing I remember about that is calling him up and
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: he says hello Lenny and softy.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to actually replay.
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  Speaker 7: Portions of an interview that we did with him about
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  Speaker 7: three years ago. You could kind of tell that he
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: was slipping a little bit when he was last on
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: the year with us. So we're going to go back
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: to a conversation we had with Lenny three years ago
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  Speaker 7: and replay that at four twenty eight, Husky reactions, seahawk reaction,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 7: and then Packer's eagles at five o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: What did he say again when you called him?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: How often you get that reaction? All the time? All right,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: all the time for the mild mannered and marginally objectionable,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: the inperness.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: This is paddle Day saying along everyone,