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Streaming Spotlight: Unpacking Send Help - Sam Raimi’s Signature Style Makes for a Riotously Fun Survival Horror Comedy · Film Curious

• 00;00;00;02 - 00;00;15;00 Speaker 1 Isn't it funny that she reads all these survival guides and she's, like, kind of a survivalist and like, the real world survival that she needed to learn was from the asshole guy. Yeah. The whole time. 00;00;15;03 - 00;00;30;20 Speaker 2 She needed a douchey frat guy. 00;00;30;23 - 00;00;31;19 Speaker 3 Hello, and welcome to. 00;00;31;20 - 00;00;55;28 Speaker 1 Film curious. I'm joined by Nicholas Week to chat about Send Help, the horror comedy directed by Sam Raimi starring Rachel McAdams and Dylan O'Brien, recently hit streaming as of a week or so ago. Well, by the time you're listening to this, it'll probably be a little over a week. It's now available to watch on Hulu. It premiered in theaters at the end of January, and I unfortunately wasn't able to see it then, but very much wanted to. 00;00;55;29 - 00;01;22;07 Speaker 1 Nicole's in the same boat as me with this, so we decided it would be a fun first time watch to discuss together. Because what millennial doesn't love Rachel McAdams and Sam Raimi? The story follows an overworked analyst played by McAdams and her spoiled nepo baby boss, played by Dylan O'Brien, as her workplace power dynamics come crashing down quite literally when they find themselves as the sole survivors of a plane accent off the coast of Thailand. 00;01;22;09 - 00;01;58;02 Speaker 1 They realize they must figure out a way to cooperate to survive on this remote jungle island. In true Sam Raimi style. The visuals of this film can be cartoonish, somewhat comic book. Definitely. There's a lot of comedy in there, dark comedy and some slapstick to it. Everything's kind of at a very high altitude of emotion, and I think that if you go in not knowing the director and you're just served this plot line, you could easily by right into this concept. 00;01;58;02 - 00;02;24;22 Speaker 1 But I think if you're not aware of what you're walking into when you walk into Sam Raimi's world of of horror comedy that he does. You might be like, well, what the hell is going on? I didn't feel that way because I knew walking into this or you're very quickly, Sam Raimi goes, hi, I'm here. This is the Sam Raimi movie. 00;02;24;24 - 00;02;34;02 Speaker 1 Like as a director. So when you walked into this movie, Nicole, were you like, I kind of have a grasp on like, this isn't going to be like. 00;02;34;04 - 00;02;35;23 Speaker 2 A more straightforward maybe. 00;02;35;24 - 00;02;52;12 Speaker 1 Yeah. Like you, you see the trailer and you read the concept and you go, okay, like, this is a survivalist film and we have some interesting power dynamics going on. Yeah. So for you. You know, walking into it, what you were walking into. 00;02;52;18 - 00;03;17;20 Speaker 2 I think that I forgot about it. And then this isn't a spoiler because it's what the movie is about because they do crash. But I think that that was probably what, like the way, you know, we'll talk about it, but the way that the plane crash is done, that to me was immediately like, oh, I forgot. Like that to me was the moment where you were like, hi, it's me, Sam Raimi. 00;03;17;20 - 00;03;47;08 Speaker 2 Like, this is the kind of movie that I make. That was where I was like, oh, all right. But I definitely do think that it is helpful to know going in, because it's definitely not the kind of style that is for everyone. But I also think that it could be maybe a little bit of a fun surprise if you think you're going into like, a straightforward survival psychological thriller and then you don't realize just like how, like funny and over the top and campy it's going to. 00;03;47;08 - 00;04;13;27 Speaker 1 Go for sure. I mean, I think I forgot slightly, and maybe because I haven't seen I haven't rewatched this Raimi film that isn't a comic book adaptation basically in a while, because what are the last few things he's done? He was he did the Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness. So right there you are dealing with a comic book world, right? 00;04;14;03 - 00;04;42;29 Speaker 1 I'm a big fan of the The samurai Spider-Man movies with Tobey Maguire. Again, he's working in this kind of comic book realm. So I think I did forget what kind of movies he makes when he makes horror movies. Right? Yeah. And so I did have a little bit of, like you were saying, like, oh, okay. Yes, this is what I'm watching, right, I understand. 00;04;43;01 - 00;05;15;11 Speaker 1 But very quickly, when I understood it, which I think the first hint of it is when Dylan O'Brien's character is so repulsed by the tuna fish salad sandwich on Rachel McAdams lip in the start of the movie. And, you know, there's quick kind of cuts into her mouth of of it by the lip on the corner of the lip and then back to his facial expression of being disgusted by it, almost horrified by it. 00;05;15;12 - 00;05;45;09 Speaker 1 And so I think for me, very quickly, I was like, okay, I know what's this kind of movie is going to be for us. And so I think that that was very helpful, setting the tone of the story you were going to experience, you know, and so I think that it's almost good that he was like, I'm going to show my hand of how this movie is going to kind of play out from a from a very early start point. 00;05;45;10 - 00;06;20;13 Speaker 1 And the same thing with the the plane crash. And this isn't spoiler, because honestly, we know that the plane has to crash, right? Like, otherwise, how did they end up on the island? It's in the synopsis. It's in the trailers. Right? Like, we know this is going to happen, but I don't want to call it torture porn. How how a couple of Dylan O'Brien's colleagues die in, in during the plane crash, and the character he plays is Bradley. 00;06;20;14 - 00;06;43;09 Speaker 1 I need to get there. Like, I could easily remember Rachel McAdams character's name. Like Linda little is very easy to remember, and it's a great name. It's a great character name, especially for this John Rove movie, this type of story, this tonally. Right. But Bradley pressed in how his colleagues, these bros. I mean, it might as well be like tech bro types, I feel like. 00;06;43;10 - 00;07;07;09 Speaker 1 Or just straight bro types. Finance bros. That's probably the right category of them. I don't experience a lot of them in my own life personally, but you know, the type of and they kind of die in these egregious ways if I'm using their like crazy ways. But like you, I don't know, for me, I don't know what kind of person this says I am, obsess about me. 00;07;07;09 - 00;07;31;10 Speaker 1 But I enjoyed watching these assholes, like, get what's coming to them, basically. Or I mean, it's not get what's coming to them. I guess you can be a bully and not deserve to die in a gruesome way. And I think that it helps that we were put in Rachel McAdams, Linda's point of view, right away, where we know she's a hard worker. 00;07;31;12 - 00;08;00;02 Speaker 1 She's expecting this promotion from Bradley once he takes a position, his father has passed away. So he's stepping up into, I'm assuming, the CEO role of the company. Her his father promised her the the VP position. And Bradley comes in as a jerk, basically, and going, it doesn't matter if she's qualified for it. She's brilliant. She's worked hard for this. 00;08;00;05 - 00;08;11;02 Speaker 1 No, I'm going to put one of my college. What's the. I'm sorry. Oh my God, I this is this is shows I have. I did not go to a college with any of these. 00;08;11;04 - 00;08;12;21 Speaker 2 A friend like. 00;08;12;22 - 00;08;35;26 Speaker 1 Yeah. Frat. Yeah. His frat. They go like I don't. Where I went to college, there were no frats, so I don't know. That word escapes me sometimes. Like, I forget that that is a part of the college experience. But he. Yeah, he instead puts his, you know, frat bro friend from college in the position of VP, and it passes over McAdams. 00;08;35;26 - 00;09;07;26 Speaker 1 And again, we're kind of know right away that once Linda feels that she's been slighted or wronged, we do know that she she will go that that step to figure out like why. And she kind of wants that fairness. So I think right away we kind of understand her positioning of why she is so upset, why these guys suck, and it's kind of like to she is a little odd. 00;09;07;29 - 00;09;36;21 Speaker 1 Like, we, we, we do know that she's a little odd. Like it seems like her closest friend is her bird. Her is like a cockatoo or whatever, sweetie. So I think for me, it maybe some people would watch it and go, yeah, she is kind of a total weirdo. But she doesn't have the social skills to be to be a VP of a major company. 00;09;36;23 - 00;09;46;18 Speaker 1 But at least I feel for her because there's no reason to be treated poorly just because you're not socially adept. 00;09;46;20 - 00;10;15;09 Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it's I do appreciate that about the movie, too, that it it does kind of give you that context of like, I had the same thought where I'm like, well, maybe she shouldn't be VP right now, but the movie obviously goes to lengths at the beginning to show just how cruel they're being, that there are, you know, a number of scenes where you see Bradley and then his, his bros or whatever, just laughing at her expense and really making a mockery of her. 00;10;15;11 - 00;10;38;09 Speaker 2 But I feel like it's from the beginning of the movie. It does set up a nice, which I didn't expect. Probably from the movie is like a I don't I don't feel like maybe most people would say nuance, like when they're thinking about Sam Raimi movies. But like, for me, there was some level of nuance in terms of these two characters throughout the entire movie that I was not expecting. 00;10;38;12 - 00;11;06;21 Speaker 1 So I mean, it really, it could be whoever's viewing the movie. I would be curious to see what the response would be from maybe a more business type, bro type who watches this movie. Like, I wonder if it does. The perspective from Bradley's point of view is this is a weirdo who has no social skills, who definitely cannot be VP, and I can't stand her. 00;11;06;21 - 00;11;32;22 Speaker 1 And like, she's just a sore I sight. And I wonder if you know, somebody with coming from that perspective could go to Bradley's point of view and be like, yeah, he's not that awful. Like he doesn't deserve some of the things that end up coming to him. Right? But again, it's pretty hard when you're leading lady is Rachel McAdams. 00;11;32;24 - 00;12;24;09 Speaker 1 Maybe again, could be a bias of mine. But she's again, her performances are always wonderful. I think she's very good at portraying a weird character with nuance. Right? Like again, in somebody else's hands, we could end up with a character that is super annoying and unsympathetic, who we don't like and we don't find charming at times. Right. And so I think her performance always helps this kind of film, like we were saying, almost with no hard feelings a couple weeks back, is like Jennifer Lawrence brings to the character these micro expressions and nuances that more not sure that others could bring so finely. 00;12;24;11 - 00;12;51;09 Speaker 1 Like there is such a especially with a with a horror comedy type movie, right? Like it's such a fine wire to walk between comedy and I'm being over the top and outrageous. So like, what I will say is that Sam Raimi's movie might be outrageous, right? But the actors in them take it very seriously, right? 00;12;51;10 - 00;12;52;12 Speaker 2 Like, yes. 00;12;52;16 - 00;13;15;18 Speaker 1 They they are these characters. They're not overplaying the character. They're certainly not underplaying it. But like, they know it seems like he's giving them the exact direction that they need to know how to play the character in a way that the characters aren't totally unbelievable on. Outrageous, right? 00;13;15;20 - 00;13;43;13 Speaker 2 Yeah, there. And I think Dylan O'Brien also does the same thing. And I did have like there were several times, like during the movie where I thought if this was played by different actors, I might be like, yeah, you know, like I might really be like, okay. Because there are maybe sometimes where story wise, I'm kind of like, okay, like, you know, but it is the way that the two of them, he's great. 00;13;43;13 - 00;13;50;06 Speaker 2 But yes, especially like Rachel McAdams, I don't think I've ever seen her in a role like this. 00;13;50;08 - 00;13;50;15 Speaker 1 No. 00;13;50;20 - 00;14;13;08 Speaker 2 And it was just it was it was surprising even to see her, like in those early scenes where she is like you were saying, like that, that awkwardness and just the way that she plays Linda and I'm like, just not used to. I think seeing Rachel McAdams that way, and she was so believable and so good, like in those scenes where I immediately I was like, oh my God, like when she's with her coworkers, like trying. 00;14;13;10 - 00;14;33;04 Speaker 2 I was like, please let it end. Like in so many moments in the beginning work and you really do feel for her. But she did like such, such an amazing job, like, I don't I? There are other people that I'm sure could have done a good job as Linda, but I think that for me took it to like another level of what I expected from the movie. 00;14;33;04 - 00;14;36;18 Speaker 2 So I, you know, she was great. 00;14;36;21 - 00;14;55;15 Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, obviously she was stand out. But I do think Dylan O'Brien I'm surprised by not that like I think he's ever been a crappy actor. But again, like, I can't really make that judgment call because I'm not watching him. I didn't watch Teen Wolf. Was that the show he was on, like back in the day? 00;14;55;17 - 00;14;56;23 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;14;56;25 - 00;15;04;15 Speaker 1 Like I didn't watch that show, which is surprising. Like, that seems like right up my alley when I was a teenager. When I was younger, like, it seems like a show I should have watched. 00;15;04;16 - 00;15;07;03 Speaker 2 I didn't. 00;15;07;05 - 00;15;44;18 Speaker 1 But like, I didn't watch that show, so I don't I don't have a a scale kind of to to judge him on except for, you know, your brain automatically just goes, oh teen actor. Right. So I think that this was a good I guess stepping into his ability type movie. I mean, of course, if there's some Dylan O'Brien fans out there and you need to school me on like his career and his filmography like and I'm way wrong on this, I only know Teen Wolf and you know Taylor Swift's music video for All Too Well. 00;15;44;21 - 00;15;45;22 Speaker 2 Forgot about that, right? 00;15;45;23 - 00;15;48;09 Speaker 1 That was him. That was. 00;15;48;11 - 00;16;06;04 Speaker 2 It was. Yeah, I don't remember. There was a couple of, I don't know how long ago it was, but he got really great. Ruby and I saw it, and he was really good in this movie called Twin Liz that I think like is another like, powerhouse performance. I was like, oh wow, okay, I am a Dylan O'Brien fan. 00;16;06;05 - 00;16;33;02 Speaker 2 I'll say I'm a donor. Brian Gurley this movie, I think he also I'll say evidence that he did a great job was that it kind of cured me of any crush that I might have had because I was so, so annoyed, so put off just by the laugh, just the signature laugh over and over and over again. You know, I do think that he did a great job, and he also nailed that kind of balance of where I mean, I'm saying that I was like like so like like repulsed by him. 00;16;33;02 - 00;16;46;26 Speaker 2 But then also there were times where he was very charming and, you know, you really did feel like that kind of maybe a genuine connection between the two of them. So yeah, he was great to. 00;16;46;28 - 00;17;17;06 Speaker 1 I mean, again, we can we can argue whether that charm was just what he's learned his whole life of how to put on to persuade somebody of something, you know. So we'll get into that in the spoiler section of this discussion. But yeah, so I was impressed by him going forward. If he's in something, I'm not going to automatically assume that he's just another teen actor that is good looking enough to continue his career. 00;17;17;09 - 00;17;24;01 Speaker 1 That's not that. Not that I felt that way about Dylan O'Brien. I'm just I don't know, I'm putting a stereotype together that I don't even really believe in. 00;17;24;01 - 00;17;28;25 Speaker 4 But if you were, I'm just, I guess, making the case for if you had that. 00;17;28;25 - 00;18;08;01 Speaker 1 Idea of him, I think this was. Yeah, him kind of stepping into a new type of performance that now. Okay. We know going forward he's totally capable of being a not a chameleon because I don't, you know, but he's versatile enough to do this sort of thing where Rachel McAdams I always knew this like, no, I haven't seen her do this kind of role before per se, but like, I have full confidence in that woman that you can hand her any script and she will take that character, she will bring it to life, it will be believable, and it will be one of the best performances you have seen. 00;18;08;03 - 00;18;30;13 Speaker 1 McAdams I'm so happy that she is doing films like this now. She got typecast, I feel like, and stuck so hard in the romantic interest role for such a long time, and I love seeing now in her. I guess it's I want to don't even call it later career because she's not old enough for having a later career. 00;18;30;16 - 00;18;53;02 Speaker 1 I just like that in her now. Like she's hitting her stride of she's getting the opportunity to be awkward or unhinged or any of these things that I don't think she was really allowed to be before it was. Just be charming and be the romantic interest, be the love interest, and make us all fall in love with you. 00;18;53;04 - 00;19;00;06 Speaker 1 Which I would argue that even with this character, she can still make you fall in love with her. 00;19;00;09 - 00;19;24;22 Speaker 1 Now being said, I will even like send a call back to you. I love seeing her in comedic roles. I loved her in game Night. I think she was fabulous in game night. I mentioned that at the end of our No Hard Feelings episode, actually. And so it's it's so exciting when I get to see her do comedy again, because I think she has such a unique way of going about it. 00;19;24;23 - 00;19;53;00 Speaker 1 She doesn't make you, like, laugh out loud funny, but when the moments hit, you're like, you're almost like you're having the joy with her. Like you're experiencing her when she's hitting those moments of of joy and like, comedic. And she needs to hit like the more funny parts. I think you're you're along for the ride with her. You're like, if she's laughing, I'm laughing just because, like, we feel she's very good at conveying her joy. 00;19;53;00 - 00;20;02;05 Speaker 1 And I feel like it kind of goes through the screen and you feel it again. Maybe I'm just hyping Rachel McAdams up way too much, but I don't think so. 00;20;02;08 - 00;20;16;29 Speaker 2 Well, I'll mention to you that I thought it was really sweet when I saw interviews with the two of them that Dylan O'Brien was such a big Rachel McAdams fan. He's like, oh my God, like, I get to be in a movie with Rachel McAdams. And he was like quoting her movies to her and stuff. And she was like, what? 00;20;17;00 - 00;20;38;25 Speaker 2 How do you remember that? And like, he was there's this ridiculous movie that she was in when she. I don't even know how old she was called the hot chick, where she, like, switches bodies with Rob Schneider. That'll tell you like, the premise of the movie. But he kept quoting that at her. But it was it was very cute to see, because you could tell that, like, he really has seen a lot of her work and was, like genuinely very excited. 00;20;38;26 - 00;20;45;02 Speaker 2 Like, I get to be in a movie with Rachel McAdams, which I was happy about. I'm like, okay. He also appreciates the power of. 00;20;45;08 - 00;20;51;09 Speaker 1 He understands. Yeah, he understands. He's with an icon. I mean, I would say that she's an icon. 00;20;51;10 - 00;20;52;05 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;20;52;08 - 00;21;35;23 Speaker 1 Especially again, like I said, if you're a millennial and you don't love Rachel McAdams, like, I don't know, maybe then you were not raised in a certain environment that we all were raised in as millennials. So that being said, happy to see her in this role. The movie is fun, and now I think it's a good point in time to get into the spoiler discussion section here, because there's so many fun things to talk about, especially when it comes to, you know, halfway through the movie, a quarter of the way through the movie, there's a lot of twists and turns that maybe you saw coming, maybe we didn't see coming. 00;21;35;25 - 00;21;59;11 Speaker 1 I think that Raimi was good at laying some breadcrumbs out for you and and setting the tone with a lot of things. So that being said, if you haven't seen Send Help and you don't want any spoilers, here's your warning. And moving forward, we'll just we're going to get into it. So come back and listen when you have seen it, and I would encourage you to go see it. 00;21;59;16 - 00;22;08;07 Speaker 1 I for me, I thought it was a lot of fun. So my big spoiler that I want to talk about. 00;22;08;09 - 00;22;09;22 Speaker 2 Is I. 00;22;09;25 - 00;22;30;09 Speaker 1 Was harping on the knife and I, and I remember going, where'd she get this knife? And then like my, my partner Ryan going, well, he said, she said it washed up on shore. And I'm like, I don't know why. Like, that line didn't sink in to my head that she gave an explanation for it or whatever. And I'm like, but I don't remember her washing like up on shore with a knife. 00;22;30;10 - 00;22;57;14 Speaker 1 Like I don't remember that. Like my brain kept kind of like going back to this is this knife is suspicious. It's new. Sure. Okay. Maybe she could have washed up with it and the plane crash. I don't know, she could have found it, but, like, what are the odds the plane sunk in the the ocean. I mean, maybe one little knife had enough buoyancy to be brought up on shore, but something about it, just like writing like this is odd. 00;22;57;15 - 00;23;03;11 Speaker 1 Did you have any pause when you heard her explanation or this knife came into the picture? 00;23;03;12 - 00;23;30;02 Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, I think specifically because of what you just said, we're like, we're in her perspective so many times when she is like learning skills and, you know, like gaining her power. So it did strike me as odd. Like we didn't see her randomly finding a super helpful knife. And there were also like there were a couple of other things or maybe just even I mean, she does have survival skills, but there was something about the ease of it. 00;23;30;02 - 00;23;49;29 Speaker 2 I was also watching it with my partner, and there were several things that he would be like, well, well, I don't know about that. Well, I think I would be like, okay, just like suspend disbelief. But then it was really kind of satisfying, actually, when you realize that and we don't know exactly. I mean, she was doing stuff. 00;23;49;29 - 00;24;12;04 Speaker 2 But then when you think about everything and how perfect she was and she became like this, like amazing survivalist, that she had access to this, like fully stocked house, it made a lot more sense. It was I think that made that a very satisfying twist, and I didn't expect it at all. I think I just took that as like, oh, like they're close to civilization. 00;24;12;05 - 00;24;19;20 Speaker 2 Like somebody could find them. I did not think that there was a whole home, so I thought that was really cool. 00;24;19;21 - 00;24;48;24 Speaker 1 Yeah, I, I think that The survivalist, again, Raimi does a good job of the bait and switch to a certain degree, you know, because he's going, we're we're in her apartment at the beginning. We're seeing all her survivalist guides. We see her on the plane, we see the bro's making fun of her while they're watching. Somehow they found her survival survivor audition tape. 00;24;48;26 - 00;25;00;29 Speaker 1 Right. And by the way, there was there was nothing funny about that tape. I would put her on survivor in an instant if I received that audition tape. 00;25;01;02 - 00;25;20;24 Speaker 1 I mean, it was funny in in certain ways, but I'm like, nah, this woman should have been on survivor. I think she was would have been a great choice. But yeah, it's that kind of okay. We can believe and we we see that she's able to get the water, build him a little hut type thing out of leaves. 00;25;20;24 - 00;25;49;17 Speaker 1 And so we kind of are like, oh, okay. We can, you know, suspend our disbelief that she is capable of a certain degree of things. But then we do, you know, we hit kind of a halfway point where, yeah, she's just finding water everywhere and she's got like sushi and she's eating like a great fruit. And it's like where, you know, then it's where, like the question kind of comes in of like, is she really able to do this? 00;25;49;18 - 00;26;21;04 Speaker 1 And, you know, there is a point where you look back and this is always, I think, like a great way of doing storytelling is you're not doing a total bait and switch, right where like she, Raimi is easing you into this idea that she is thriving on the island. Right. And it is believable. But at the same time, then you look back and you go, oh yeah, like, we can see, like this kind of the difference is when she finds the house, right? 00;26;21;05 - 00;26;56;19 Speaker 1 Like assuming probably once she tells Bradley and she brings him up on that, that mountain. Right. And they're hiking and she's kind of showing the island to him. And she's like, don't go over there on that side with all of the thorns and brambles or whatever. And now we know that, like, okay, she probably found this house a good amount in to like, we know that she found it probably pretty soon after they landed on this island. 00;26;56;22 - 00;27;23;12 Speaker 1 So she's been indulging in in that for a bit, but you wouldn't have seen it coming necessarily, because, you know, we see her thriving and that there's the scene with the waterfall, right? She she discovers that and she kind of becomes radiant when she looks in her reflection of the water. And, you know, we're we're we're shown like the Rachel McAdams that we know. 00;27;23;15 - 00;27;26;07 Speaker 2 You know. Yeah. 00;27;26;10 - 00;27;51;17 Speaker 1 But I think that it was a nice little fold into showing us like, oh, when she's here and in her element, she feels this way, right? Like, yes, she's. I'd say she's gorgeous throughout the whole film. She's. But she, there's a radiance that we get, especially when she looks into her reflection when she finds this waterfall or the source of water. 00;27;51;19 - 00;28;00;22 Speaker 1 And we're like, okay, she's got. And that's kind of like the switch in the character that, okay, she's got this newfound confidence, right? 00;28;00;23 - 00;28;31;18 Speaker 2 Yeah, she it's funny because like that moment when she looks into the water and sees herself, it made me laugh because I felt like it was her being like, wait a second. I'm goddamn Rachel, wait a second. I wait till I get. And then I appreciate that too. That like, just, I guess the hair and makeup, whatever, they were doing that like, as the movie goes forward, like she is looking and he comments on it too, like where she's looking really great, you know, and like, it just it's suiting her. 00;28;31;21 - 00;29;03;28 Speaker 2 But the level of manipulation on her part and lying and like, it was interesting to me, the way to that, the way that we're given the story when the perspective switches and how the information is kept from us. Sometimes that was something to that I wasn't quite expecting and I appreciated. And I think they set it up from the beginning where I was kind of on the he says it to her, and I was on the same wavelength with Bradley when she does kind of barge into his office and is like, what the fuck? 00;29;03;29 - 00;29;40;06 Speaker 2 Like I'm not going to get the promotion. And he's like, I am surprised that you came in here, which I was too. But I feel like that's one of the early first signs where it's like, okay, like you don't really. He doesn't really know Linda and you don't really know Linda. And as the movie keeps going forward, that we find out more stuff about her background and then obviously we see what she's capable of, and I, I thought that was such a fun element of it that once we started finding stuff out and stuff was introduced that I never would have expected, like, you know, Zuri showing up, it's like, I, I. 00;29;40;06 - 00;29;59;22 Speaker 1 Didn't think it was going to be her. And that was a little bit like, wow, this is unbelievable. Except for we kept we know that she saw a boat pass by another time. And so yeah, we know that maybe she's not that far or they're not that far from civilization. Right. And I think that that's something that yeah, the movie does really well is. 00;29;59;24 - 00;30;23;06 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's it's purposefully keeps the, the audience not in the know on certain things. Yeah. That was that was funny. The fiancé showing up and you know, funnily enough, I thought that she was going to bring them through. This is how like I didn't I was not expecting I did not know if she found the house or civilization or anything. 00;30;23;08 - 00;30;31;13 Speaker 1 McAdams character, Linda, because I really thought she was going to, like, bring them through the thorns or something and like the wild side. 00;30;31;13 - 00;30;31;20 Speaker 2 Of the. 00;30;31;20 - 00;31;02;03 Speaker 1 Jungle and let them get lost. Like, that was my my naive prediction. You know, I didn't think that she was. Oh, mean obviously. Yeah. Okay. Bring them up the cliff with the weak points that the you know, we can send these to people. The fiancé and her guide. I guess her boat kept in off the edge. So, yeah, there was a lot of little things where I'm like, I did not I was not anticipating this. 00;31;02;06 - 00;31;34;23 Speaker 1 And I don't think it was from left field, though. Right. And I think we, Pete and I a couple episodes ago were kind of talking about that in terms of, you know, you need just the right amount of breadcrumbs to enjoy it, but you, you don't need but you don't give us too many because then, okay, I, we saw it, but then don't bring us something into the movie that's totally outlandish and wild that like, we can't we can't believe it came from left field. 00;31;34;23 - 00;32;09;26 Speaker 1 We, you know, we could have never predicted this. And I think that this film and Raimi hits a very good middle ground between the two. So, yeah, there's lots of fun twists and especially between the characters. Right? We go from them both kind of hating each other, you know? I mean, I'd say Linda when she was checking on his pulse, when she discovers Bradley on the island, that he survived the crash as well, I think I notice her. 00;32;09;26 - 00;32;14;08 Speaker 1 She goes like, fuck. Basically like he's alive. 00;32;14;10 - 00;32;15;06 Speaker 2 I think. 00;32;15;08 - 00;32;36;24 Speaker 1 There was a part of her that was really hoping that he was just going to be dead. Then there's parts of her that kind of soften up to him later on, and I think she is kind of enjoying the power dynamic of it. All right. Like who wouldn't? This guy's a total dictator and still is a dick to her until he basically almost dies of dehydration. 00;32;36;24 - 00;33;03;13 Speaker 1 And starvation is the only time where he's like, shit, I gotta play along, right? And they kind of the two of them kind of go back and forth with trusting each other. How much to trust the other. I would say that one could argue we don't. I mean, I had a debate with, with Ryan about whether, you know, she was going to kill him the whole time. 00;33;03;16 - 00;33;18;22 Speaker 1 Did she soften to him at any point? Did he soften to her at any point, or were they just playing each other the whole time? You know, yeah, I would argue is probably a little bit of both. I don't know. What are your thoughts on that. Did you, did you think that they were playing each other the whole time? 00;33;18;25 - 00;33;19;08 Speaker 1 To a certain. 00;33;19;08 - 00;33;43;06 Speaker 2 Degree, no. I think that for her to she was kind of giving him chances, which is why it's messed up. And I don't necessarily like I think that's the biggest surprise for me is that I thought based on like, I guess the trailers. Have you told me the idea of the movie that it was going to be like, okay, like we're rooting for Linda the whole time, and then now she has the power one by the end of the movie. 00;33;43;07 - 00;34;01;17 Speaker 2 I mean, I don't like Bradley, but I'm also like, Linda. I just got problems, you know, like Linda, like as soon as she got that opportunity for power. But it felt almost like a sometimes it was like a weird sexual tension. And then other times it felt very much to me like a parent child kind of a thing where it's like, okay, like you don't learn. 00;34;01;18 - 00;34;23;21 Speaker 2 And she tells the story about like the dog that does not listen keeps running away. It felt like you. I saw somebody online like, dry a comparison because she calls him sweetie at one point. That's what she calls her bird that you had as kind of like something that's dependent on her and she's adjoining that. So I feel like in her mind, she really was repeated because people too, I think I was enjoying the discourse. 00;34;23;21 - 00;34;46;16 Speaker 2 People were like, why does she keep saving him? You know? And then I think it just because she wants to keep giving him the chance. And then once she has that power dynamic, she wants to keep it. But she's like giving him the chance, like giving him the opportunity to show that he's changed, to grow, but in the way that she wants, you know, and he just I don't think that he ever really meant it. 00;34;46;17 - 00;35;05;18 Speaker 2 Like, I think that the whole time he was playing her and he has not changed. That's not to say that he I think that he does probably have genuine moments where he does think about and realize like, oh, like Linda is just a person. Like when they're drunk together and they're talking about, you know, and he kind of opens up to her like, I think that was probably true stuff. 00;35;05;21 - 00;35;31;01 Speaker 2 I think that, you know, like him saving her when she was going to fall. Like, I think that there are moments where there is that nuance, there is that balance where like, Bradley sucks, but also like he's not a complete like monster. And then by the end of the movie, it's like Linda's done things where you could be like, she is a monster, you know, because she's like, actually killed and isn't right. 00;35;31;03 - 00;35;55;24 Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, she did kind of. Yeah. When she did not help them with the falling off the cliff. You can argue. Yeah. That's where the turn in Linda happens. I would say, though, that I was on I was on the side of Linda to kill him. I killed. Yeah. I was like, fuck this dude. I don't think he changed. 00;35;55;24 - 00;36;23;14 Speaker 1 I am on the side of I didn't by most like I think it was after he poisons her. Right. He's trying to get away and yeah, I guess that's where I was like, oh he's not going to change. He he's using her to survive and he's gonna, you know, I don't know. I don't even know if he's going to try to find his way off the island, because honestly, that guy doesn't seem capable enough to do anything on his own. 00;36;23;17 - 00;36;35;22 Speaker 1 I don't have I don't have a high opinion of him. This Bradley character, he doesn't really convince me at any point that, like, he is a person worthy of saving. I just my. 00;36;35;22 - 00;36;36;02 Speaker 2 Feeling. 00;36;36;02 - 00;36;36;27 Speaker 1 About him. 00;36;37;04 - 00;36;38;21 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;36;38;24 - 00;36;51;16 Speaker 1 Like, I think it's funny you mentioned how she treats him like a child, and it's like. Yeah, it's almost like a mother child relationship. When he has his life vest on it has child on it. 00;36;51;21 - 00;36;53;12 Speaker 2 Oh, the. Yeah. 00;36;53;12 - 00;37;20;16 Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, it has the directions to like how to save it. Like save the child or put the life vest on the child on on the life vest. So that was like I think there was another couple of things I'm trying to recall the details I see this is where I'm like, I actually would rewatch this movie to see if I could pick up on some more, like, breadcrumbs throughout the film, but there are definitely instances that are always kind of suggesting he's a child. 00;37;20;16 - 00;37;26;22 Speaker 1 He's a baby, I guess. Like even when she's trying to get him to drink water and eat food and. 00;37;26;23 - 00;37;32;01 Speaker 2 Oh yeah, he won't eat fish. And he's like, she's like, swallow it. It's very. 00;37;32;04 - 00;38;01;24 Speaker 1 And so there's just so many instances where I'm like, this man is a child. We're not dealing with an adult here to a certain degree. But then you think back to, you know, unfortunately, when he had when she barged into that office to state, like, hey, how did you pass me over for the job? He was clearly coming on to the woman, the young, attractive woman that he was hiring. 00;38;01;26 - 00;38;12;18 Speaker 1 And, you know, he was like, she she repeats the line to him later on in the film of like, are you going to go the distance for me or something like that? 00;38;12;20 - 00;38;13;28 Speaker 2 Above and beyond anything? 00;38;14;00 - 00;38;40;29 Speaker 1 Oh, above and beyond. Yeah. And he immediately decides that she's asking him for sex or to remove his clothing. And I think that's very telling that we know that Bradley definitely has wielded his power in not so great ways. And so I think there are I wonder I'm curious to see what other people think about him. I think he's trash. 00;38;41;00 - 00;39;04;02 Speaker 1 I think he's scum. So I. Nicole, you have a much more empathetic look at him, I think. But like, I don't know, I'm like, I'm waiting for Linda to kill this mother, this motherfucker. Like, I sorry. I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to curse or not. I'm like, I can curse. It's our podcast, I can curse. 00;39;04;05 - 00;39;30;06 Speaker 2 I think he's very unlikable. And the fact, too, that he does keep showing his true colors. But at the same time, I feel like I do have to factor in that. Linda is also like using this power dynamic. You know, it seems like, you know, she mentions about she mentioned she does have that honest. And I thought that was another surprise where she talks about that she was married and that her husband was abusive. 00;39;30;09 - 00;40;03;04 Speaker 2 And it seems to make a lot of sense when you then go back and see how she kind of carries herself or like when she goes back in her car and she's saying that she's enough and that she's tried to do some work to to build her confidence back up. But I don't know, there were like a lot of moments that for me, it felt like, okay, she's used to being put down and abused in certain way at work as well, and that now she's in sort of the abuser role because, like, he's completely dependent on her, like she teaches him things, but like not everything that she knows. 00;40;03;04 - 00;40;25;18 Speaker 2 Like she doesn't give him all the information he's cut off from any help. Aside from her, you know, like she's his entire world. So I feel like even anytime that I do, I don't like Bradley as a person. And probably I did keep thinking about like, okay, if they had not crash and they were in real life, what would have been going on at the office? 00;40;25;19 - 00;40;38;23 Speaker 2 You know that I've seen more of that. I probably whatever how he conducted himself and you're talking about him with the assistant that potentially we would see some behavior where like, you know, you know, me, I am on the same wavelength as you, where I'm just. 00;40;38;25 - 00;40;39;15 Speaker 1 Right. I'm not sure. 00;40;39;15 - 00;40;40;10 Speaker 2 That that. 00;40;40;13 - 00;40;43;11 Speaker 1 Is obviously against like sexual assault. 00;40;43;11 - 00;40;45;09 Speaker 2 And I would just be like. 00;40;45;16 - 00;40;47;01 Speaker 1 Asking your employees. 00;40;47;08 - 00;41;07;21 Speaker 2 Yeah. I think though that because I was seeing everything that he was doing that was making him look like an asshole within the context of what Linda was doing, you know? So I kind of was like factoring that in where I wasn't, I will say, like, I wasn't actively I wasn't like, oh, I want this guy to die necessarily. 00;41;07;22 - 00;41;33;25 Speaker 2 But I wasn't like, I wasn't rooting for her, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like, I, I was and she was very fun and likable. And I think that's also just the way that McAdams, like, played the role. But I don't know if I got the same level of satisfaction as I would have thought by the end. Like when she does finally kill him and she gets the good life and she's a survivor, I thought it was a great edit. 00;41;33;26 - 00;41;44;14 Speaker 2 It was really fun, but I wasn't like Ra ra. Yes, you know, we're usually in this kind of narrative. I am like, good for her. You know? Like, even if she's killed a bunch of heinous things. 00;41;44;15 - 00;41;53;16 Speaker 1 I think that's the that's the thing. Right? Okay. So here's a question for you then. If Linda doesn't send Zuri is her name. 00;41;53;17 - 00;41;54;07 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;41;54;13 - 00;42;16;17 Speaker 1 The fiance and the boatman. Boatman. Off off the cliff. And, you know, say she doesn't do that, or she does say the fiance doesn't show up at all. At all. Because, let's be honest, like, if they show up and then she does help them. I don't really know where the movie goes from there. I think that's it. They get rescued and it's a shit time for Linda for the rest of her life. 00;42;16;20 - 00;42;32;28 Speaker 1 Yeah, or until she leaves that job. So say they don't show up, right? Is that the the changing point for you, then? That makes you not root for Linda. So I'm just curious if, like, if you take that moment out, if you take those couple scenes out. 00;42;32;29 - 00;43;02;00 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think so. And it seems like too, that she realizes that about herself as well, that she can't really root for herself in the same way, or that she can't excuse certain things. The more I thought about it, because at first I was like, I don't really know how to take this conversation where she's revealing this past and, you know, serving her husband his last drink and giving him the keys and letting him, you know, knowing that he might get into an accident, which he does. 00;43;02;03 - 00;43;27;08 Speaker 2 I was like, I don't know how we're supposed to take this as if this is supposed to be making me feel for Linda. Like, explain her behavior. But then the more I thought about it, her response to what Bradley says this might not have been what they were getting at, but for me, it illuminated it for me. Like where he talks about his growing up and also dealing with abuse and being very lonely, and that she says like, well, at least now, like we know we have something. 00;43;27;08 - 00;43;45;19 Speaker 2 It's not your fault. Like we have something to blame it on. And they both kind of laugh. And then he's just kind of looking at her and I took it to then is that she does the same thing for herself where like maybe any badness, behavior, bad thoughts that she has, she kind of reasons it as like, well, I've been through like a really terrible thing. 00;43;45;22 - 00;43;46;14 Speaker 2 And I feel. 00;43;46;16 - 00;43;50;21 Speaker 1 Like she says that line, monsters aren't born there, created. 00;43;50;23 - 00;44;15;05 Speaker 2 Yeah. And it was funny because then I think that's the very end of the scene where they're drinking. And she says to him, like, we should never leave this island. We should never get off this island. And my partner, we pause the movie. At that point, he was like, I'm kind of taking that as her, saying that they're both bad people and that they both should not get off this like they should stay on this island like the world is better off without them, like out in the world, which I was like, oh, okay. 00;44;15;05 - 00;44;32;13 Speaker 2 Interesting. And then, yeah, I think that that's definitely the turning point. And then you see her reaction to where she is like, almost like she's just lying there and she says she needs a sick day, but she it's not like she is just skipping around after she kills, you know, like she smashes his head in and he and and we don't see that too. 00;44;32;14 - 00;44;48;16 Speaker 2 At first I thought, you know, they let you think maybe she just let them fall, which is also bad. Yeah. But then we see her smashes head in and then fall. So she's very active in it. But obviously it seems like from her reaction to that, she feels terrible, you know, and she's haunted by she's. 00;44;48;16 - 00;44;53;24 Speaker 1 Having the night. Yeah. Yeah. Then she does. 00;44;53;26 - 00;44;56;03 Speaker 2 Yeah. If that, if at that point you didn't know it was. 00;44;56;10 - 00;44;57;23 Speaker 1 A Raimi film. 00;44;57;23 - 00;44;58;26 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. Well. 00;44;59;02 - 00;45;00;17 Speaker 1 I am Sam Raimi, I. 00;45;00;17 - 00;45;17;14 Speaker 2 Am Raimi. This isn't Blobby. That really made me laugh, though, because that was like very much to me, like on the internet. Like when you would get those peaceful videos and they have the zombie like the jump scare, like it was so over the top, or her, you know, like vomiting up the berries while she's trying to give him CPR. 00;45;17;16 - 00;45;19;04 Speaker 2 For me, it went that was a little. 00;45;19;05 - 00;45;21;08 Speaker 1 It is. That was too far for you. 00;45;21;10 - 00;45;39;14 Speaker 2 It was just it kept going and going. But like when the jury liked the zombie popped up to like. And she's having the nightmare and she's like, went on like calling out to her like, there is something funny about it too. So it's it's like she feels bad about it, but that I feel like the way that we're given it as well. 00;45;39;14 - 00;45;59;05 Speaker 2 And how she, she does move forward, you know, and she does continue her behavior and then she kind of just folds it in, I think as like, again, like a rational like, well, I had to I think she feels bad and she doesn't know like, oh, okay. Like this is like a big thing that I've done. This is a big before and after for Linda of like what I'm capable of. 00;45;59;07 - 00;46;06;11 Speaker 2 But then she's like, I think she probably rationalize it as like, well, I had to I had to do it, you know, like I had to myself. 00;46;06;13 - 00;46;35;11 Speaker 1 She just want to go back to that life. Yeah. You know, she doesn't want to go back to being the analyst to is underappreciated. And her boss sucks and she's lonely. I mean, I do think, I guess you a certain degree, she does connect with Bradley. And, you know, again, Raimi sets up in the beginning and then I should credit even the screenwriters of this because, you know, they did. 00;46;35;12 - 00;47;04;14 Speaker 1 They did the writing of of the breadcrumbs. I'm just going to mention them real quick. Damian Shannon and Mark Swift, the breadcrumbs for Adams falling for him. For Linda, actually being able to fall for this guy is when she's talking about getting her promotion, and she's excited that she's going to get the promotion. And there's a new boss and he's cute and he's nice, or she thinks he's nice like the first before, you know, she has more interactions with him. 00;47;04;16 - 00;47;08;03 Speaker 1 And I think he might have been flirting with me, I think is what she says to. 00;47;08;04 - 00;47;08;22 Speaker 2 Sweden. 00;47;08;27 - 00;47;34;20 Speaker 1 Her her cockatoo in the beginning in the apartment. So again, it's like, not this unbelievable thing that, okay, maybe she does actually have some kind of weird idea that they could actually fall for each other legitimately as long as they stay on this island. Right. And I think Bradley convinces her that it's possible, even though I think it's a he's toying with her the whole freaking time. 00;47;34;23 - 00;47;54;05 Speaker 1 I don't think he ever really had a moment of he was falling for her. I don't know, you could argue. One could argue either way. Maybe I argue that he plays her the whole time. But again, I'm not very sympathetic to this character. I think he knows how to get what he needs out of people to get to where he needs to get. 00;47;54;05 - 00;48;27;00 Speaker 1 And so the battle, the gruesome battles, the that they have with each other in the woods, again, a lot of people could be like, this is wild. What is going on? What movie am I watching? Right. But again, I think that Sam Raimi goes, no, this is the kind of movie we're in because I just I saw in towards the beginning, I saw I put you with her killing this bore in a really, like, awful way where she had to, like, stab the boy through the head, the shoulder, the eye, all this crazy shit to kill this bore. 00;48;27;03 - 00;48;48;02 Speaker 1 And that was, I mean, I guess if you. I do love animals, but like, the the CGI on that bore was so cartoonish for me. Yeah, that like, it didn't it was funny. Like, you know, I'm like, we're not watching an actual bore get killed. You know, like, he he's not trying. He's not trying to make this, like, hyper realistic, you know. 00;48;48;03 - 00;49;14;20 Speaker 1 And I think that that benefits the times when he goes overboard or extreme in his visuals and in the violence. And it works for me because he's going, no, this is I'm this is very comic. This is very cartoonish anyway, you know, so like it, it's not as bad. So I think it allows you to laugh, you know. 00;49;14;23 - 00;49;32;18 Speaker 1 So I do think that the decision to make the animals and some of the CGI and some of the visuals, like cartoonish, helps in that regard to to help make you laugh, help you through the scene, and to signal to you like, it's okay. It's okay to laugh. Right? 00;49;32;21 - 00;49;33;18 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;49;33;21 - 00;49;55;01 Speaker 1 So even like when she they're fighting in the woods and he's gouging her eye out and the eye does, like, crazy kind of bulgy thing when he's got his thumb in her finger. I like it's funny and it's more like, oh, God, gross. You know, instead of, like, I'm gonna vomit right now. Let me close my eyes or turn away or whatever. 00;49;55;02 - 00;50;08;05 Speaker 1 Like in a straight horror movie, you would have to avert your eyes or, like, be cringing or nauseous. Where? This one. It's funny. I think their whole fight is funny. 00;50;08;08 - 00;50;32;00 Speaker 2 Yeah. I think the only time where I really, truly felt like horror horror was the the fake out castration scene because of because of the way that Dylan O'Brien and like the zoom in on his face and like his eyes where I think that was like the moment that I felt the most uncomfortable, actually, where I was like, kind of like a and, you know, then obviously it's just a rat. 00;50;32;00 - 00;50;51;18 Speaker 2 So I mean, like watching it, obviously I thought like, okay, she's probably not actually castrating him, but his reaction to it and like, his fear like that. Yeah, made me very uncomfortable. But I agree with what you're saying though to with the most of the, the fighting and the, the I and them going back and forth at each other. 00;50;51;21 - 00;51;19;27 Speaker 2 I was laughing the whole time, and I think it does then set you up nicely for one of my favorite moments where at the end of that, like where she swallows the ring and she's like, fuck you. Bradley gets the double. Yeah, the double fingers. And it also, I think, then gives the audience permission to be like, just like any level of violence then that they get to that you're supposed to take it as like these are two people that have now, like, hit their limit. 00;51;19;29 - 00;51;44;26 Speaker 2 But but again, the Linda does still it seem like in her own twisted way, is willing to give him chances. Another one more chance. And he takes that chance and again is trying to to bullshit her with like a whole love story. But even that was making crack up. Just even the fact that, you know, the first second, it seems like she really believes like, oh, like, why did it take you so long? 00;51;44;26 - 00;52;10;28 Speaker 2 And he's like, I'm an idiot. I'm so stupid, you know, like like even that kind of a thing. Where again, like where story wise, maybe for me was like pushing me like a little bit too far, you know, like in terms of, like the constant, like back and forth. I still was in it and I still thought that it was really funny and I, it wasn't I didn't need by that point anybody, I guess, to like, root for. 00;52;11;01 - 00;52;14;20 Speaker 2 I think I was kind of okay with whatever was going to happen. 00;52;14;22 - 00;52;37;19 Speaker 1 I think I was still rooting for Linda to the very last moment. I love when there's no ammo in the shotgun. And she was like, strategy and analysis. Bradley, I think is what she said. And like I do think there was a small part of her that was hoping to believe him. Right. Like what you were saying, like giving him this, this last chance. 00;52;37;19 - 00;53;04;22 Speaker 1 But again, maybe she couldn't find any bullets. We don't really know why. Like she doesn't load the shotgun. Maybe she is hoping it's going to go her way. He does really love her. But something about her, you know, saying strategy. I think it's analysis that makes me think. Oh, she had she kind of had this plan, the backup plan the whole time knowing it could go wrong. 00;53;04;24 - 00;53;16;24 Speaker 1 And I think that from that moment in the House on, I really do think she is intent on killing him like I think she is. I think she's made her peace with it, that she may she may kill this man. 00;53;16;26 - 00;53;38;00 Speaker 2 You know, she if she doesn't feel like she can control him anymore. I think by that point. And then he finds out the house, like the whole illusion, is shattered, like their little happy home that she's created for the two of them. They can't go back. So, yeah, I definitely do get the feeling that once she realizes like, oh no, it's like, still you and you're still bullshitting me. 00;53;38;00 - 00;53;43;03 Speaker 2 Like, now it's time to to end this, you know, like, now I can dispose of you. 00;53;43;04 - 00;54;13;06 Speaker 1 Yeah. So and I this is just so perfectly done. This is just cherry on top of when she. And she takes the golf club off the wall after he's gone after her with a bullhorn of his. I mean, like, let's just go through the. Because I find it actually pretty hilarious to to get to the point of when she gets the golf club and supposedly swings it at his head to kill him, the killing blow, the killing stroke. 00;54;13;08 - 00;54;27;22 Speaker 1 She's got the shotgun on him. He's trying to bullshit her. He's taken a horn from some statue in this rich person's house to. Then I'm trying to remember how the shotgun gets knocked out of her hand. Does he just go after her? 00;54;27;22 - 00;54;34;08 Speaker 2 I think so, I think she looks to realizes that the horn is missing. She gets distracted and I think then he charges her. 00;54;34;09 - 00;54;58;14 Speaker 1 He he charges her right. Gets a blow in at her with the horn. Yeah, the shotgun, you know, skitters across the floor, I guess, and he ends up with it. He goes to shoot her, actually pulls the trigger, right? Then we find out there's no ammo in it. And that's where she's kind of. It seems she's revealing. She knows there's no ammo in it. 00;54;58;15 - 00;55;25;05 Speaker 1 She probably was intent on killing him this whole time. And there's another I guess he must drop. I'm trying to. I need to rewatch this because the course of events is, like, so quick. He must drop the shotgun after that. Or maybe try to swing at her or something. She manages to get the golf club, get a golf club off the wall, and then where we get the does she did she hit him once and then she goes to take the full swing that that hits him in the head? 00;55;25;11 - 00;55;30;13 Speaker 2 I think so she might hit him somewhere on the body and then. Yeah. Yeah. 00;55;30;14 - 00;55;49;00 Speaker 1 And then we get that perfect swing cut into her swinging, playing golf. And she is then being interviewed by somebody, a news outlet or whatever about her being the sole survivor. And now she is she a president of a new company? Like, she's gotten majorly successful? 00;55;49;02 - 00;55;49;27 Speaker 2 Yeah, she's watching. 00;55;49;27 - 00;55;50;22 Speaker 1 Her own, like. 00;55;50;23 - 00;55;51;19 Speaker 2 Her a memoir. 00;55;51;21 - 00;55;52;21 Speaker 1 Self-Help book. 00;55;52;22 - 00;55;55;27 Speaker 2 Yeah, she wrote that, and then they're turning it into a movie. 00;55;55;29 - 00;56;18;24 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. Right. And she is so put together, so charming, so eloquent, and she breaks the fourth wall. We get that look, she looks into the camera, we know what's going on. Right. Like I think that was a nice little, like cheeky thing to do to be like you saw the whole thing. Like, you know, the real story. 00;56;18;27 - 00;56;37;03 Speaker 1 And then it cuts to her and her Corvette with her sweetie. And she's, she's driving along this, this gorgeous mountainside drive, and she breaks the fourth wall again. And, and one way or another, her karaoke song is playing. 00;56;37;06 - 00;56;38;18 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;56;38;20 - 00;57;00;03 Speaker 1 That she said at the beginning, when she was having that awkward conversation with her coworkers about it being her karaoke song, her go to in one way or another is playing, and she breaks the fourth wall again, looking at directly into the camera. And I think it's brilliant. I think it's just such a great cherry on top ending. 00;57;00;06 - 00;57;23;14 Speaker 2 No, it's super fun. And also like, I love the fact that that song one way or another like that plays in Mean Girls, like during the montage where they're trying to, like, sabotage her continually and like, nothing is like working because she's just, like, so popular and so charming. But the fact that that comes up at the beginning and that she does and it's kind of awkward, and she's going to get to get to get to get you. 00;57;23;14 - 00;57;46;09 Speaker 2 And then by the end of it, the meaning of the lyrics, it's it's very fun. And I like that we see, like with her, with the golfing and how at ease she is, like talking to that reporter that she was able to change and that like she, she learned from him how to, I guess, lie, how to bullshit, how to be good with people. 00;57;46;10 - 00;58;04;06 Speaker 2 Because that's like what he says to her, like, you can't be. I don't think that you could be VP. Like, you need to be good with people, and you need to be someone who plays golf. And right, she becomes that person by the end, so that she took what she needed from him, actually, and she became better and more successful. 00;58;04;06 - 00;58;24;10 Speaker 2 And also, it just seems like better at probably hiding her darkness and the fact that she is sort of monstrous. But yeah, I really, really like that, that double direct eye contact with the camera, as you put it, like that, acknowledgment like you, you watch this whole thing like you know what really happened, right? But we're going to keep quiet about it. 00;58;24;11 - 00;58;39;05 Speaker 2 Like the second time she looks at the camera, it's like kind of a dead face that she has. So it seems sort of threatening, like, I felt almost like she was like, you better shut your mouth. Like you better. And I. Love you like it's just me and you and the bird that know. And it was I like really? 00;58;39;05 - 00;58;56;20 Speaker 2 That was another nice surprise. Like, I didn't expect there to be just like that complete time jump from the golf shot. Right. Golf shot right into it. And it didn't really bother me that much either, too, because I saw some people were like, you know. Okay. Like, but then how did she get. How did she cover up the murder and all this stuff? 00;58;56;20 - 00;58;59;13 Speaker 2 And I'm like, she's. Yeah. 00;58;59;15 - 00;59;22;15 Speaker 1 Like she just kind of film he like, here. Oh, he's kind of learn it like. Yeah, like he doesn't. And you know, I could see where people are going to say that because actually that was going to be my my kind of follow up on, on that is I could see how some people would be like, what? Like, how are we now on a golf course and we're breaking the fourth wall. 00;59;22;15 - 01;00;01;28 Speaker 1 And like we she didn't break the whole the fourth wall, the whole film. And you know, I could see like that kind of complaining. Right. And it's like, did you just watch this whole movie? Did you know, did you not see the tone? Did you not see, you know, the the exaggerated ness, the the fun, the wildness, the I think, like Sam Raimi is telling you, this whole movie that, like, you're gonna like, I don't know, I guess those people weren't okay with the ending, but like, I think that he tells it so that, like, when we get to this point, we're like, yeah, this is a great ending, at least for me. 01;00;01;28 - 01;00;18;11 Speaker 1 I was like, this is a cherry on top. Like, I totally by I, I'm cool with this. I'm good with this, you know. Yeah. And I think that I don't think he changes his tone like the film doesn't. I think that's where like it would be a problem. Right? If we get to the ending and it's been the serious nuance. 01;00;18;12 - 01;00;50;20 Speaker 1 I mean, there's obviously nuance in the film that's not saying that there isn't. He still does. Raimi still does a very good job at it. But this hasn't been like, this is intense. It's hard because it's like it is all these things, but it is a dark comedy. It is cartoonish a lot of the time, so that when we get to the end and it has like a comic book type fourth wall break ending, I'm not like, yeah, this is a movie I've been watching all the time. 01;00;50;20 - 01;01;01;26 Speaker 1 He's not like chucking a ball from left field that no one saw coming. You know, I think that he stays on tonally. He stays in his lane. 01;01;01;29 - 01;01;21;20 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And it's his stamp all the way through, like you pointed out at the beginning that that zoom in and his eye twitching because of the tuna fish like and then the zoom in to where he tells the other guy to like, smell his hand, you know, like where it's like what is going on. But that's very early on in the film. 01;01;21;20 - 01;01;46;04 Speaker 2 That's before they get to the island, you know? So it's it's teaching you how to view the movie, the movie. And if you don't like from the beginning, then that you would know. I think if you don't vibe with that, those early scenes and those kind of cuts, then the movie just it's not for you. You know, like I also saw people being like, oh, and Linda's and all this stuff and I'm like, yeah, no. 01;01;46;04 - 01;02;26;04 Speaker 2 But also, I think that that can be true. I don't think that the movie is trying to give you a straightforward narrative of, like, you should be rooting for Linda and like, the victim comes out on top. I think that is where some of the nuance does come in, where it's like they're both terrible in different ways. He's probably more unlikable definitely than her for most audiences, but that you need that too, because it does allow for that level of like where everything is kind of funny when they're just constantly going back and forth and lying to each other and bullshitting, and so that you can have that kind of ending where she just, like, 01;02;26;05 - 01;02;50;19 Speaker 2 clocks him in the head with a golf club and like, it is funny. We're usually like, if somebody's bashing so much at it with a couple, like, it's not funny. And then like, obviously like then like benefiting off of it and having a really nice life. But it feels like the perfect ending for the movie because it does feel like it's really about Linda's character arc and whether or not you like her, you think that her actions were justified. 01;02;50;19 - 01;03;16;00 Speaker 2 Whatever. I really think that was so well done that, you see, like, she really did take in something and she is like, okay, like now I'm going to be like the best version of Linda and I'm going to pretend do certain level. And now I have that skill. I think that she was the entire movie to they show that in those scenes where like you as the audience think like, oh, like maybe like I agree with you. 01;03;16;00 - 01;03;27;26 Speaker 2 I always thought that he was bullshitting her, but like that he's charming enough or it's like, oh yeah, maybe he's kind of softening towards her that she learned how to do that. I think from watching him do it over and over and over again. 01;03;27;27 - 01;03;42;04 Speaker 1 Isn't it funny that she reads all these survival guides and she's like kind of a survivalist and like, the real world survival that she needed to learn was from the asshole guy. Yeah. 01;03;42;06 - 01;03;43;23 Speaker 2 The whole time. 01;03;43;25 - 01;03;49;19 Speaker 1 The whole time she didn't need a survivalist books. You didn't need those. She needed real world. 01;03;49;22 - 01;04;07;27 Speaker 2 She needed a new she fry guy. Yeah. To especially, like, just within the world that she was in, in the beginning of the movie and maybe that corporate kind of world, that office place that she didn't have that skill. And I feel at the beginning of the movie does show that, that it doesn't matter necessarily how smart she is and how long she's been there. 01;04;07;27 - 01;04;25;12 Speaker 2 And if she deserves the promotion, that you have to have that level of being able to schmooze with people and that the coworkers like invite you to karaoke night, like, you know, and she just like, couldn't do that. And then at the end, she seems so at ease and so charming. She's got the ponytail flowing in the wind and like, everybody loves her. 01;04;25;15 - 01;04;32;29 Speaker 2 And it's very it's very satisfying just to see that she, like, has adapted in that way. 01;04;33;02 - 01;04;42;09 Speaker 1 Do you think that Raimi is trying to say that anybody, though, who gets a taste of power turns into this? 01;04;42;11 - 01;04;44;10 Speaker 2 Maybe that. 01;04;44;12 - 01;04;47;11 Speaker 1 That's just like a more lofty thing that I'm like. 01;04;47;12 - 01;04;47;24 Speaker 2 I. 01;04;47;26 - 01;04;54;12 Speaker 1 I don't think that rabies actually tried to make a case for that, but it is like, I guess a question you could pose. 01;04;54;13 - 01;05;08;27 Speaker 2 Yeah, I definitely did occur to me where it's I think when you're watching it like it does then, like I do have to think about like, okay, if it was me in this situation that I think that I would end up killing, you know, I'm not Linda, but like. 01;05;08;28 - 01;05;13;28 Speaker 1 I get off of that first boat, I would have swam to the boat, gotten the attention. 01;05;13;29 - 01;05;30;27 Speaker 2 Which like, it's interesting to like her reaction because the first she is genuinely excited. She's like, oh my God, she runs. And then she has that moment of realization where I think that's the difference between her and maybe a lot of other people where they would just be like, yeah, like, we need to get off this. We have to go back to real life. 01;05;31;00 - 01;05;49;17 Speaker 2 And she is the kind of person that has a moment where she said, well, wait a minute, you know, like strategy and planning, like, well, why don't we? Why don't we see this out for a little bit like and then we see to that in that same scene where she saw the boat, she saw the house. So then she's thinking about like, oh, okay, now I have this house, I really have the upper hand. 01;05;49;20 - 01;06;11;14 Speaker 2 And he can be my subordinate and I might never have that opportunity in my life. So like, I'm going to do it. And I do think that there are probably more people there. Probably a lot of people think that they wouldn't, but maybe would seize that opportunity, especially with somebody that previously in real life was above them and also made them feel very, very small. 01;06;11;14 - 01;06;14;23 Speaker 2 Not just like you're my boss like that. He was, you know. 01;06;14;24 - 01;06;41;13 Speaker 1 Yeah, actively terrible to her. Yeah. I mean, that's that's saying again, you know, going back to my life, I'm thinking about like, okay, my actual life, you know, with my husband and my dog and my cat and all that crap, you know? But, yeah, I don't know if you took those things away from me. Maybe I would say on the island, because sometimes I do think about being on a desert, like a deserted island with no responsibilities. 01;06;41;13 - 01;07;06;06 Speaker 1 And all you have to do is figure out how to survive. This sounds nice. I don't know what that says about me as a person or my life. But yeah, sometimes when I see these, like, survivalist type things where people end up on islands and they all that I do to survive, I'm like, that doesn't sound that bad, you know, cut off the internet, cut off everything. 01;07;06;07 - 01;07;33;13 Speaker 1 Like, no, yeah, I love film. I'm gonna miss movies. But I think that, like, when you're trying to, when your day to day is literally like finding water and hunting or gathering and things like that makes life a lot simpler. And you don't have to like, again, even, like, do you want to say like, in a modern day way, like when you are constantly living paycheck to paycheck or starving or you're hungry or whatnot, your needs are trying to get met. 01;07;33;16 - 01;07;49;01 Speaker 1 It's a lot harder to worry about all the outside noise, right? Yeah. So it's like, yeah, okay, maybe, maybe a desert island where like, you had to just your one goal was to survive, was to live. Might not be so bad. Yeah. 01;07;49;03 - 01;08;08;20 Speaker 2 Yeah. I think that especially like you're saying to like she doesn't have, she doesn't really have anything else, you know, and the one thing that she felt like she had was her job. And then now she knows it's she doesn't really have it, you know. So I think it is important to note that mindset where like, yeah, I think then to it does seem a little bit more possible. 01;08;08;23 - 01;08;21;15 Speaker 2 I think it also, though, is probably hard for viewers to maybe try and separate themselves from, like any life that they have a loved one's friends, you know, family, sense of purpose, connection, you know. 01;08;21;17 - 01;08;23;21 Speaker 1 I mean, even comfort. 01;08;23;23 - 01;08;24;17 Speaker 2 It was like. 01;08;24;18 - 01;08;26;27 Speaker 1 The, the modern day comforts. 01;08;27;04 - 01;08;31;24 Speaker 2 Yeah. She seems like they got like she doesn't she can do without it. But at the same time. 01;08;31;27 - 01;08;32;28 Speaker 1 She can do this. 01;08;33;00 - 01;08;38;10 Speaker 2 She has that house. So she's not really doing full survivor. 01;08;38;12 - 01;08;57;20 Speaker 1 I guess the one question I would have, you know, like people had questions like the time has passed and how did you get off the island and how did she cover up the murders and blah, blah, and all the all those questions, I, I guess my one question would be like, was he. What's this rich dude going to come back to his house that noticed me? 01;08;57;22 - 01;08;58;11 Speaker 2 I forgot. 01;08;58;11 - 01;09;20;28 Speaker 1 That that was my one thing. Yeah, it was like one thing. I was like, people are bringing supply, actively bringing supplies to this home. That means that somebody lives in this home, or one would think resides in this home at some point. It was kind of like, what have they been thinking? I guess they haven't been back yet, or they are only back when, you know, Linda is. 01;09;21;00 - 01;09;43;25 Speaker 1 Linda just keeps an eye on them and goes back in after they leave or something. After this, the stuff gets destroyed and he's dead and all that. It's kind of like, what is what is this person coming back to when they come back to their house? That was my one big wait, what? What's going to happen there? Not that I really cared. 01;09;43;28 - 01;09;56;12 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Any questions that I had I'm like and even that to I'm like I guess like maybe she probably like moved his body and made it just look like he just fell off of something. Died like, you know, put him back in the. 01;09;56;12 - 01;09;57;02 Speaker 1 Water. 01;09;57;08 - 01;10;13;28 Speaker 2 Maybe tried to clean stuff up and then made it seem like she finally found the house. And then that's how she. Or maybe she waited in the house for people to come and, you know, do the supplies. But yeah, again, like, I don't really it's not like when I was not the point. No, I wasn't like really bothered. 01;10;13;28 - 01;10;19;06 Speaker 2 I was just kind of like, I guess she figured it out, you know? I guess she got away with it, right? That's it. Yeah. 01;10;19;07 - 01;10;40;00 Speaker 1 But so to wrap up, I would say no going in. What, the kind of story you're in for. But I think if you know that I don't know how you wouldn't enjoy this film. You know, I think it's a very solidly enjoyable film. I'll watch it again. It is incredibly campy, but like, I think it's going to last. 01;10;40;00 - 01;11;12;25 Speaker 1 Well, because of that actually, like I he they didn't seem over concerned with the visual effects. Like the CGI is like, yeah, no, the plane doesn't look like it's actually a plane crashing. The board doesn't look like a bore, like none of this is supposed to signal reality to you. So I think in a way that like this will age well, I think it will have a good camp following cult following at some point. 01;11;13;02 - 01;11;23;16 Speaker 1 You know, if I had to make, I guess, predictions into the future of it, I think that, like Rotten Tomatoes did have it at like 93%. Or am I making that up? 01;11;23;17 - 01;11;29;04 Speaker 2 No, that's what I thought to it was it was a very high rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I think it was overnight. 01;11;29;05 - 01;11;57;05 Speaker 1 So yeah. So people did get on board with it. People were for it. You know, they did it immediately. Oh, this is unbelievable. This is ridiculous. This is outrageous. And I kind of do think that like I like that audiences are kind of lightning up a little bit. You know, I feel like we've we've been so freaking serious with so many movies lately, and I kind of even want to mention that there was there's a lot of horror comedy out right now. 01;11;57;09 - 01;12;25;11 Speaker 1 Like, I've noticed a lot of films have that dichotomy recently. We're not just getting sure. There, of course, are always going to be horror movies, but I realized that there are a lot of like horror comedy, specifically by female filmmakers that have come out recently. So like just off the top of my head, there's Lisa Frankenstein. It was written by Diablo Cody and directed by Zelda Williams. 01;12;25;11 - 01;12;49;09 Speaker 1 And like, that was brilliant. Really wasn't a ton of horror in it, you know, like, but like just deeply funny and darkly funny at times, right? I recently saw I did manage to catch it in theaters. It was so elusive to see this movie in theaters. I found with a lot of people, Forbidden fruits. I kind of do. 01;12;49;11 - 01;13;10;24 Speaker 1 I know I mentioned in Nikola, eventually I want to talk about this grouping of films that are horror comedy by female filmmakers, and that's just to touch on those. But like, I think what was it? Companion was the one with, girl from Yellowjackets and the guy who's a his dad, he looks like his dad. 01;13;10;28 - 01;13;11;23 Speaker 2 Wait. 01;13;11;25 - 01;13;12;23 Speaker 1 Who was on the boys? 01;13;12;24 - 01;13;14;27 Speaker 2 The Quaid guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01;13;14;29 - 01;13;16;23 Speaker 1 Not Dennis Quaid. Jack. 01;13;16;23 - 01;13;18;25 Speaker 2 Jack Queen. Yeah, right. 01;13;18;26 - 01;13;45;05 Speaker 1 And that kind of was darkly funny, too. I wouldn't say that was a straight or movie. It should be actually interesting to look up the number of horror comedies that have come out to a new. It's not a new phenomenon. There's always been like, funny horror movies, right? I mean, scream is kind of like a quintessential, like almost a parody of a horror movie. 01;13;45;07 - 01;14;03;11 Speaker 1 But I just feel like lately people are really embracing that. Maybe, like, maybe we're in a dark timeline and like, our horror movies can be funny at the same time of of trying to make some kind of statement, you know? 01;14;03;14 - 01;14;25;13 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that it for the time, it makes sense that those kinds of movies are getting made and popular, where it's kind of like a wink of like, this is so dark, this is so messed up. Like, I guess we'll laugh at it, you know, like, it's so it's so terrible and so dystopian that it almost seems unreal. 01;14;25;15 - 01;14;49;06 Speaker 2 So I feel like people are kind of primed for that kind of a movie, and they probably enjoy that and that all of those movies do have to like, even if it's not like classic like tropes of horror, they have like a certain level of violence to them. At the very least, that makes you kind of uncomfortable. But you do also kind of have to laugh at it because of the character interactions and a lot of messing around with power dynamics. 01;14;49;09 - 01;15;11;19 Speaker 1 And I'm good with it. I guess all this to say, I'm enjoying it, and I could see another point in time like where we'd be like, what is this nonsense, you know? Yeah, but I don't. I feel like it's it's good that like, audiences are. They just want original stories that to like these. I think a lot of these little smaller. 01;15;11;24 - 01;15;31;26 Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know if you can call a movie done by Sam Raimi and Rachel. Me. Sorry. Mutual McAdams is a smaller film, but probably a smaller budget than a lot. But like, yeah, there's these smaller horror films that are original. Maybe I'm just like, hey, if this is the way I have to get my original stories, I'm for it. 01;15;31;27 - 01;15;52;15 Speaker 2 Yeah, there's just something different, something that's not part of an established universe. Something that's not a remake, something that's not sequel thing. Yeah, over and over and over again. You're right. I don't think that even occurred to me. But that also probably was just a refreshing part of it, that it did feel different. I felt like an original story. 01;15;52;16 - 01;16;16;08 Speaker 1 For sure. So encourage everybody to let us know their thoughts on it. Did you guys feel the same way? Was it working for you? Was it too outlandish? If you listened all the way through and you you heard all the spoilers? I would still argue like, go watch it yourself. There's no way that Oz describing it depicts the the funniness of it, the outrageousness of the visuals. 01;16;16;12 - 01;16;38;26 Speaker 1 So I would still go see it and we'll see what we end up doing. You know, funny thing is, I feel like I've done a lot of horror movies in the last few weeks. Pete gave us a little like overview of hokum, which I do need to see with Adam Scott, but apparently I need to watch oddity two, which you don't have to watch oddity, but I do want to actually see it and see how this filmmaker. 01;16;38;27 - 01;16;40;03 Speaker 1 Oh, it's worth it. You've seen. 01;16;40;03 - 01;16;40;19 Speaker 2 It really good. 01;16;40;19 - 01;17;01;00 Speaker 1 Yeah. It's so funny because I have you and Pete, and I think you guys just watch a lot more horror movies than I do when I get the okay to go watch it, it's good. Then I will do it. But again, I'm always really hesitant with like, diving into if it is like a straight horror movie, but we've done so. 01;17;01;02 - 01;17;25;15 Speaker 1 I don't know. Nicole, if you've noticed what Peter and I have done, The Mummy, the Lee Cronin's The Mummy and and then he talked about hokum. Now we're doing Send Help, which I would argue, not too much horror, but like still in that you can put it under the umbrella. And I do want to talk about Mother Mary soon. 01;17;25;17 - 01;17;39;15 Speaker 1 And that's kind of a psychological thriller. I don't I want to consider it a horror movie. But again, next thing I know, this podcast is just going to be a horror movie podcast if I continue at this rate. 01;17;39;17 - 01;17;45;00 Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, the next thing that I'm really excited to see is obsession, which is coming out. 01;17;45;03 - 01;17;45;22 Speaker 1 I've seen the trailer. 01;17;45;22 - 01;17;50;25 Speaker 2 For that. Yeah, that's also a horror movie. So I mean, I don't know, horror has just been really, really good. 01;17;50;27 - 01;17;51;04 Speaker 1 I think. 01;17;51;04 - 01;17;51;27 Speaker 2 It's also. 01;17;52;02 - 01;18;15;12 Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think that studios are willing to make them because most of them you can produce fairly cheaply in comparison to other films. That's true. So I think that's the reason why. And they make a lot of money. Like even like the shitty ones make a decent amount of money. And then I think, like, even if they don't, it's like, well, we made this so cheaply. 01;18;15;12 - 01;18;16;10 Speaker 1 So. 01;18;16;13 - 01;18;17;21 Speaker 2 You know, not a big. 01;18;17;24 - 01;18;42;20 Speaker 1 We make back the as long as we make back the, the budget like. Yeah. But no I, I do want to change of pace. But honestly just fair warning for people going forward with this podcast, I don't know, the next few might be horror movies. And this is another thing where I guess like this is film curious. Like if the story intrigues you, just watch it. 01;18;42;22 - 01;19;03;04 Speaker 1 Why not? You know, like, I used to be such a baby about it being a horror movie and like, my favorite horror movie was scream because I liked the funniness of it. Like it made it more easy for me to consume and to enjoy. But the funny part is like, I love the horror genre. I even do a lot of writing in that one, like I do when I write. 01;19;03;05 - 01;19;23;06 Speaker 1 A lot of like, horror elements just like come out. So I'm just trying to be a little better about who cares about the if I if I'm anticipating it to be scary, it's going to be worse, you know? But it's like, just go watch it. Go watch to see for yourself. If it's really freaking scary, close your eyes, put your hands over your ears. 01;19;23;09 - 01;19;47;13 Speaker 1 So I think it's good if you're not a big horror movie person. There's been a lot of good ones coming out, I guess is what I'm trying to say. And don't knock it til you try it. And I say that on an individual basis, like an individual movie. Not every horror movie is the same. And yeah, some of them have a lot of the same tropes and those ones aren't good, but. 01;19;47;16 - 01;20;08;14 Speaker 1 Or they don't use the tropes right or well. But I'd say give them a shot. And I don't think we're going to become a horror movie podcast. I like watching too many different kinds of movies too many times, but I guess I just I don't want you to if you've even stuck around this long while I'm going on this rant about horror movies and you haven't turned it off already because we already stopped talking about send help a while ago. 01;20;08;17 - 01;20;31;04 Speaker 1 Yeah, give it a chance. But anyway, thank you for listening. Really appreciate it. If you're enjoying any of these episodes, please subscribe. I would be great and we'd love to hear your thoughts. So of course put some thoughts in the comments. I will always try to respond if I can. And Nicole, you have anything you want to say before we sign off on this episode? 01;20;31;05 - 01;20;37;29 Speaker 2 No. Appreciate anybody who popped in. Hope you enjoyed the discussion and I look forward to talking to you again. 01;20;38;00 - 01;20;43;14 Speaker 1 Awesome. All right. This is film curious. Thanks again for listening and we'll see you real soon. 01;20;43;18 - 01;20;44;18 Speaker 2 Bye bye.