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If Pochettino Leaves: Who Should Be the Next USMNT Coach? · Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogert and Tab Ramos

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Speaker 1: You know when you look at all the names on
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Speaker 1: the list and then we look at Thierry Henrie and
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Speaker 1: we say, hey, maybe he doesn't have the resume.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think he does.
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Speaker 3: What's going on, everybody, Welcome back to Inside American Soccer.
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Speaker 3: I'm USM and T insider Tom Berger, and I'm joined
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Speaker 3: by one of the greatest players in US soccer history,
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Speaker 3: my friend tab Ramos tab where he got a low
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Speaker 3: after the World Cup and before the European Leagues start
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Speaker 3: in earnest. There are some friendlies going on. There's mls'
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Speaker 3: is back. We have the All Star Game coming up
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Speaker 3: this week, the Skills Challenge. Tab I don't know how
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Speaker 3: aware you are of the MLS All Star Skills Challenge.
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Speaker 3: I bet you would crush it at that, particularly in
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Speaker 3: your career, but I think if they brought you out
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Speaker 3: there tomorrow, you'd put up a good score in some
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Speaker 3: of the passing and shooting categories.
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Speaker 1: Well, Tom is, First of all, it is good to
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Speaker 1: be back in this show. It seems like it seems
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Speaker 1: like we're doing a show every two days for a while,
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Speaker 1: so now we had a little rest, so it's good
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Speaker 1: to be back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The Skills Challenge as long as they don't make me
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Speaker 1: use my left foot too much, I think I would
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Speaker 1: be okay.
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Speaker 3: Listen, they've got chiado Jo Sinko participating tonight. I think
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Speaker 3: that there would have been room for you.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was last time you touched the ball, probably
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Speaker 1: about four or five years ago. Uh no, no, no, Actually,
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Speaker 1: you know at home, I kicked the ball around with
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Speaker 1: my grandson sometimes, so I love that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he speak speaking of your grandson, and well, this
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Speaker 3: will be super interesting to people in the show. I've
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Speaker 3: got I've got an invite out to your son to
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Speaker 3: play my men's league team. I know it's it's not
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Speaker 3: worth his time, but I'm gonna try anyway. This is
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Speaker 3: what you do. It's it's like we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 3: us coaching search later. Nothing is too ambitious. The worst
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Speaker 3: that happens, as he says, now, ignores me.
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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
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Speaker 1: And he but you know, if he answers text like
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Speaker 1: he answers text to everyone else, you will likely get ignored.
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Speaker 1: Just send me another text and I'll call him.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's get into the show. Today. We got we
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Speaker 3: got a lot of latest news in the summer transfer
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Speaker 3: water around. Some guys we've got MS performances, some preseason
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Speaker 3: performances we want to talk about, and then we're gonna
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Speaker 3: go through the list of potential coaches of Resa. Pochatino
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Speaker 3: does not return to the us m NT. As of
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Speaker 3: right now, there is no update. He said that he
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Speaker 3: was gonna make a decision last week. Last week has passed.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't happened yet. That's fine. I'm more curious why
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Speaker 3: he put a hard timeline on it. But we'll see
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Speaker 3: what happens. And in the interim, let's think about life
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Speaker 3: without resial Pochattino. So we're gonna dive into those candidates later,
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Speaker 3: but for now, let's hit some of the news again.
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Speaker 3: We're on Pochino.
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Speaker 2: Tom.
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Speaker 1: Before you go into the news, I have something interesting
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Speaker 1: for you, and I'm not sure if you were watching, uh,
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Speaker 1: if you had a chance to watch our U twenty
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Speaker 1: national team.
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Speaker 3: On Saturday night, I missed.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so our you twenty national team was playing.
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Speaker 1: World Cup qualifying game that you know, CONCACAF tournament that
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Speaker 1: you know I've been too many times and I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you've seen many times and they're playing Haiti. But
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Speaker 1: something really interesting happening and it's not it's not for
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Speaker 1: the good of the game.
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Speaker 2: Let's just say that.
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Speaker 1: So at the end of the first half, there's a
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Speaker 1: sequence in which the US team is in the box
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Speaker 1: and trying to score a goal, and there's a bunch
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Speaker 1: of things that happened in the box. It ends up
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Speaker 1: Haiti ends up kicking the ball out of the box
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Speaker 1: and out of bounce, and the referee was it was
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Speaker 1: almost time to blow the halftime whistle. But the var
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Speaker 1: calls the referee and tells him they have something to
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Speaker 1: look at. But it wasn't just something to look at.
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Speaker 1: So the goalkeeper, you know, has it comes out for
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Speaker 1: a ball, so they had to determine whether you know,
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Speaker 1: he touched the ball first or not. It's one of
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Speaker 1: those plays. But what I found really interesting, and I
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Speaker 1: think for the for the bat of the game, let's
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Speaker 1: just say, is that they made him check three potential
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Speaker 1: penalties on that play, three different ones. So it took
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Speaker 1: about it took about three to five minutes to look
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Speaker 1: into this because it was three separate penalties. Once they
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Speaker 1: decided it wasn't the goalkeeper, they looked into a ball
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Speaker 1: that had clearly hit a defender on the chest, and
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Speaker 1: bounced away, and the VAR wanted the referee to look
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Speaker 1: at it to see if when it hit the chest
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Speaker 1: it somehow hit the arm, which clearly had not hit
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Speaker 1: the arm. And then there was another challenge at the
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Speaker 1: edge of the box in which the player clearly kicked
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Speaker 1: the ball first and then got a little piece of
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Speaker 1: the player. So out of the three of them, none
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Speaker 1: of them were a penalty. The referee got all of
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Speaker 1: them right during the game, but the VAR made them
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Speaker 1: check three separate penalties that were not penalties. So, Tom,
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Speaker 1: this is crazy. I think we've lost a plot here
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Speaker 1: with the VAR. I think the VAR guys were bored
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Speaker 1: and decided, hey, it's almost half we haven't done anything.
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Speaker 1: Let's just throw everything at one time. But you know,
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Speaker 1: here's the difficult part. You know, the referee has a
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Speaker 1: really tough job. We always know that, whether the referee
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Speaker 1: is good or bad in certain games, they have a
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Speaker 1: really tough job. They're calling it, you know, during the
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Speaker 1: play live at game speed. Right, If the referee got
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Speaker 1: all three of them right, why is the VAR even
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Speaker 1: looking at this stuff like they should look at it
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Speaker 1: and think, I look right, that's good enough.
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Speaker 2: Like they made the referee check three separate.
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Speaker 1: Penalties for all three of them were not penalties, and
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Speaker 1: it was clear that we're not penalties. That I had
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Speaker 1: to get that off my chest because it's now Tuesday
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Speaker 1: and I've been waiting since Saturday to tell someone about
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Speaker 1: this because not many people watched the U twenties and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm watching this game and I'm going crazy
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Speaker 1: over this.
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Speaker 3: But listen, if only Alex cald you back, you could
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Speaker 3: have gotten that one off your chests on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: But wait, but just for the people that but just
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Speaker 1: for the people that didn't know, the US team did
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Speaker 1: win three zero against Haiti, and yeah, they play against
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Speaker 1: tomorrow night, so just so people.
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Speaker 3: Know, yeah looking forward. So I'm glad you brought it up.
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Speaker 3: I missed that in the latest news Rundown. I was
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Speaker 3: aware that they won, but that was there were fifteen
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Speaker 3: MLUS games on Saturday night, so that one didn't didn't
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Speaker 3: make one of my screens and they all blend together
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Speaker 3: when you have fifteen games on over a four hour span.
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Speaker 3: So that's on me. I gotta be better on that.
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Speaker 3: And speaking of refereeing and VR stuff, I don't know
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Speaker 3: if you saw ifab came out four weeks after the
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Speaker 3: quarterfinals and said, by the way, Brio Mbolo shouldn't have
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Speaker 3: gotten sent off for mistaken identity and Miguel Moroon shouldn't
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Speaker 3: have gotten a yell card for that because referees aren't
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Speaker 3: supposed to use mistake and identity for these situations. So
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Speaker 3: well done by the Refereeing Association to make this announcement
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Speaker 3: four weeks after all of that happened, and to not
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Speaker 3: you know, lay out these rules for the referees before
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Speaker 3: the tournament, So that's really good. It's nice that crew
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Speaker 3: by crew got to make their decisions and potentially a
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Speaker 3: World Cup quarterfinals decided on a gray area of confusion.
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Speaker 3: So well done to those referees. Well done to bar
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Speaker 3: I'm so glad that they get to step in all
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Speaker 3: the time. It'd be nice if they just did the
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Speaker 3: obvious stuff. But we can dream, Tap.
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Speaker 1: I think we can dream that FIFA decides now that
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Speaker 1: they want to replay the whole Cup and we can
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Speaker 1: have it back here next month, because I'd love to
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Speaker 1: watch all the games again.
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Speaker 2: That's the only good thing.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure FIVA I would love to make another
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Speaker 1: fifteen billion, so everybody would be happy.
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Speaker 3: A nonprofit. Of course, this is all yo that they
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Speaker 3: you know, going to fields in Asia and North America. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: onto the usmn T news. It's transfer season, so let's
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Speaker 3: start with some breaking news from me from last week.
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Speaker 3: So Bastin Burlter is signing from Middlesbrough. By the time
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Speaker 3: you listen to this it might have been announced, who knows,
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Speaker 3: But at this stage the deal's done. It's just waiting
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Speaker 3: for that to be formalized. Vancouver white Caps will receive
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Speaker 3: a fee round two million, and the reason it's that
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Speaker 3: low is because he was out of contract in five months.
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Speaker 3: He could have left for free on January first. I
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Speaker 3: was told around six to ten teams pursued him. He
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Speaker 3: had offers from the Championship Germany and Spain, I believe,
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Speaker 3: but there was offers from some other leagues. Burhlter is
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Speaker 3: going to Middlesborough tab. I really like this fit for
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Speaker 3: him because Burrow has been a home for Aiden Morris.
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Speaker 3: Him and Aiden Morris are very close friends. They played
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Speaker 3: youth soccer together and then they've played a little bit
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Speaker 3: with the senior nationals. So that's cool for them to
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Speaker 3: be reunited. And Burrow are also chasing Max Orrison. Sources
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Speaker 3: tell me. I'll just add this in at the same time.
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Speaker 3: So this is a team that clearly values Major League
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Speaker 3: soccer because they've signed a French center back from Charlotte
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Speaker 3: for like eight or nine million last year as well,
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Speaker 3: so they're well aware of this market. I think Burlter
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Speaker 3: is gonna be awesome in the Championship. I think that
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Speaker 3: the fans are gonna love him pretty quickly because he's
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Speaker 3: got a root for and his set piece delivery is
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Speaker 3: going to be very, very useful in that kind of league.
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Speaker 3: So tab, what do you make of Sebastian Burolter to Middlesbrough.
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Speaker 2: I agree, I think that's great.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is a player that I think has
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Speaker 1: proven that everyone wants them on their team, you know,
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Speaker 1: and whether you have a great team or an average team,
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Speaker 1: you know, Sebastian Burholter has proven that he can he
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Speaker 1: can help you. I think he will do well in
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Speaker 1: the Championship, although he will find he will certainly find
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Speaker 1: his match on every other team because you know, that's
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Speaker 1: how the Championship is. You know, you have a lot
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Speaker 1: of hard working guys in the middle of the field,
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Speaker 1: so he will have to stand out for a lot
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Speaker 1: more than just working hard, and that will be a
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Speaker 1: lot more difficult.
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Speaker 2: But I think this is a great signing.
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Speaker 1: I give him a lot of credit for going because
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he could have gotten a great contract here
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Speaker 1: from any MLS team, So I give him credit for that,
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Speaker 1: and I hope the best for him, and I think
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Speaker 1: he will do well.
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Speaker 3: There was some some arguments for like the Vancouver White
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Speaker 3: Cap side of things, and I know for this show,
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Speaker 3: we obviously care more about the US M and T players,
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Speaker 3: But from the club side, I like that they're letting go.
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Speaker 3: I think that they're getting a pretty fair deal for
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Speaker 3: somebody who could leave for free, right Like, I think
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Speaker 3: that they did well there. But there was some argument
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Speaker 3: to like, okay, cool, Like if you want to leave
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Speaker 3: for free in January, then you can do that. But
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Speaker 3: you know, we're a really good team that's pushing for
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Speaker 3: trophies and you're a really good player and we want
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Speaker 3: to keep you. And Sebasta Buralter is an absolute pro.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that he would have, you know, held
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Speaker 3: out or refused the show up or anything, so like
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Speaker 3: there is that that I guess thought process. I think
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Speaker 3: that you take the deal if you're Vancouver. Again, we
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Speaker 3: do his for trophies and everything, but for somebody like
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Speaker 3: Buralter who very clearly wanted to go and wanted to go, now,
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't I wouldn't have loved if they held him
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Speaker 3: against his wishes. But like, I don't know if you
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Speaker 3: had any thoughts on the decision from the Vancouver White
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Speaker 3: Cap side of things.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think Vancouver.
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Speaker 1: You know, if I'm Vancouver, I'm doing everything I can
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Speaker 1: to try to keep them right, That's that's really what
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Speaker 1: you want, because you know, he's a very important player
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Speaker 1: for their midfield and they will miss him. And so unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: sometimes what happens too is the player comes into the
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Speaker 1: office and says, hey, look, I want this opportunity, I
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Speaker 1: want to do something different, you know, And it's certainly
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Speaker 1: you know. And I'm just reading into this because I
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Speaker 1: have no inside information whatsoever, but I know players pretty well,
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Speaker 1: and I think in this case he likely just wanted
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Speaker 1: to go to get a new experience and do something different.
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Speaker 2: So I think in this case we can't blame Vancouver.
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Speaker 1: They're taking whatever money they can get, but it was
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Speaker 1: unlikely that he was going to stay there anyway.
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Speaker 3: Right, Like he was definitely gonna if it wasn't now,
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Speaker 3: I was going to leave for free in the winter.
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Speaker 3: But it was just you kind of push for wre
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Speaker 3: because they're one of the top MS Cup contenders. Thomas
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Speaker 3: Mueller is still playing really really well, Ryan gold is
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Speaker 3: playing was back from injury and he's missed basically the
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Speaker 3: last eighteen months with injuries. So the idea was, all right,
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Speaker 3: do you sacrificed the two million fee and try to
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Speaker 3: chase trophies. But like it's better for Burro Als, it's
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Speaker 3: better for the club, you know. I think that this
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Speaker 3: is all good and tach to your point. I'm fairly
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Speaker 3: I know that he wanted to move and wanted it now,
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Speaker 3: whether or not he had to have a conversation with
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Speaker 3: the club or not, I'm not sure, but it's definitely
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Speaker 3: what he wanted, So I give them credit there. And
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Speaker 3: again Burrow soorts to tell me are still pursuing Max Orson.
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Speaker 3: They had a bid rejected for him last summer. He
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Speaker 3: had signed a new contract, so that's kind of why
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Speaker 3: they're coming back in now, and it seems more likely
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Speaker 3: now that it will happen. As of Tuesday morning, sources
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Speaker 3: has told me that he's at the All Star Game
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Speaker 3: or was playing. He's on the Amass All Star team
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Speaker 3: and he was flying there rather than England. That could
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Speaker 3: obviously change if there's a deal Greed, but Middlesborough are
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Speaker 3: pushing and pushing for Max Arsen and.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's one of those things where I think
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Speaker 1: he can benefit tremendously from from going.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see him go.
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Speaker 1: I think he's done well in MLS, He's proven himself
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Speaker 1: and he's proven himself with the national team. Although he
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Speaker 1: didn't get too many chances this summer at the World Cup.
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Speaker 1: I think he's he's sort of the next guy in
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Speaker 1: that position and I'd like to see him if he
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Speaker 1: went into the Championship to to be able to play
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Speaker 1: a little bit faster, learn to defend a little bit better,
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Speaker 1: play against you know, some tougher opponents wide. I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, again, selflessly, I'm looking for the best of
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Speaker 1: our you know, for our national team. And if that's
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Speaker 1: the case, I think the national team can benefit from
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Speaker 1: him going into the championship.
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Speaker 3: I think so too. And to your point, he will
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Speaker 3: he will sink or swim defensively, and I don't like
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Speaker 3: him in a back four as a left back. I
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Speaker 3: absolutely love him in this Columbus Crew set up where
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Speaker 3: he's a winging back. He's basically plays like a winger
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Speaker 3: middles bro whether he's a wing back or a fullback,
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Speaker 3: like he's gonna need to defend more than he will
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Speaker 3: for the Crew because the Crew smartly have kind of
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Speaker 3: not built around him, but he's one of their key
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Speaker 3: players where they try to accentuate his strengths and it's
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Speaker 3: like just go attack, attack, attack, attack, and he's been
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Speaker 3: fantastic at it. So I think for his development, sinking
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Speaker 3: or swimming in the championship and and the physical riggers
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Speaker 3: and the defensive responsibility more so that he'll have there
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Speaker 3: than at the Clumbus Crew right now can be good
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Speaker 3: for him. And if it doesn't work out, I promise
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Speaker 3: you the contract is still gonna be there in MLS
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Speaker 3: in twelve months.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: We've seen this happen plenty of times. I think it'd
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Speaker 3: be an interesting move. I know he wants it. He
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Speaker 3: said that on the record. He said, you know, listen,
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie like he quote was even you know,
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Speaker 3: I know I'm supposed to give like a boring end,
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Speaker 3: you know, in no comment, but he's like, I'm not
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Speaker 3: gonna lie, like I want I want to go to
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Speaker 3: Europe in my career. I know that even after he
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Speaker 3: signed his contract, he was telling that, saying that to
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Speaker 3: the club and to to his his representation and everything.
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Speaker 3: So it seems like it's possible to happen. But we'll
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Speaker 3: see what the price ends up being and if they
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Speaker 3: can get that full agreement. The bigger, the biggest transfer
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Speaker 3: duce for the US national team the summer's flow Baligan.
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Speaker 3: The update here is I have no update. There are
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Speaker 3: still talks with Monaco. I haven't heard any thing about
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Speaker 3: firm firm, kind of advanced, advanced talks and we'll see. Right,
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Speaker 3: there's plenty of time. There's still a month left. In
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Speaker 3: particular center forwards. Monica are holding out for the best
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Speaker 3: price that they can and clubs might get a little
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Speaker 3: bit more desperate, as if they're looking at the depth
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Speaker 3: chart on August twenty eighth and they have question marks
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Speaker 3: at center forward, then maybe the bids get bigger for
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Speaker 3: flow of Balgan. So I still very much expect him
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Speaker 3: to leave the summer, but nothing there yet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you look at the history the Monocaus
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Speaker 1: had of moving on big players, you know, for a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. I think they're certainly not going to
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Speaker 1: be desperate to move Baaligan. And by the way, Monico
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Speaker 1: is a huge club. It's not like we're talking about
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Speaker 1: a little club. So if Baligan had to stay at
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Speaker 1: you know, at Monaco, he's in a good place playing
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Speaker 1: for a competitive team where some of the best players
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Speaker 1: in you know, a club in which some of the
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Speaker 1: best players in the world have played, So he's.
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Speaker 2: In a good spot.
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Speaker 1: I do think that at some point an EPL team
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Speaker 1: will come knocking on the door for the right of
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Speaker 1: amount of money, and I think he'll end up over there,
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Speaker 1: which would also be great.
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Speaker 3: A couple updates on some teenagers. First of all, Benji Flowers,
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Speaker 3: a fifteen year old US youth international, signed the second
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Speaker 3: largest home run contract in league history, sources told me.
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Speaker 3: With FC Dallas, more importantly, at eighteen years old, there
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Speaker 3: was a pre agreement on his transfer to go to Chelsea.
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Speaker 3: That part wasn't announcement. Sources told me that is done.
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Speaker 3: He was in London to complete that move. To complete
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Speaker 3: that part of the deal, they negotiated simultaneously the first
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Speaker 3: team deal with Dallas as well as the deal with Chelsea.
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Speaker 3: It's a really interesting structure. Tab. It's north of three
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Speaker 3: million dollars upfront for a fifteen year old who has
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Speaker 3: played I think forty professional minutes for the second team.
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Speaker 3: He hasn't made his MLS debut. He will this year though,
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Speaker 3: and then it's another at least seven million dollars in
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Speaker 3: add ons. The add ons start right now. I was
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Speaker 3: even told one of the bonuses is if he plays
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Speaker 3: i think fifty minutes and MLS this year, Dallas gets money.
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Speaker 3: So Dallas are incentivized to play this kid for his
15:59
Speaker 3: development and keep him moving along before he gets a Chelsea.
16:02
Speaker 3: They can make more money before he steps a foot
16:04
Speaker 3: at Chelsea. Obviously, if he plays for Chelsea, if they
16:07
Speaker 3: win things whatever like, then there's more bonuses there. But
16:09
Speaker 3: they kind of control their own destiny up to a
16:11
Speaker 3: certain point. And this is a really talented young kid.
16:14
Speaker 3: It's fifteen years old. Tab. You never know if he'll
16:17
Speaker 3: truly make it at Chelsea. I want to be clear,
16:19
Speaker 3: he's a really talented kid, but I'm trying to alleviate
16:22
Speaker 3: a little bit of pressure on him because Chelsea view
16:25
Speaker 3: young players kind of like penny stocks. And if we
16:28
Speaker 3: sign ten kids for ten million dollars each or you know,
16:31
Speaker 3: up to ten million whatever, ten kids for five million
16:33
Speaker 3: dollars each, if two of them hit were successful. And
16:37
Speaker 3: they've done this in South America and now they're doing
16:39
Speaker 3: it here. They've done this with that lest players in
16:41
Speaker 3: the past, not quite at fifteen, but it's been a
16:44
Speaker 3: little bit older. So it's a very interesting structure. And
16:47
Speaker 3: first and foremost we'll have the next three seasons at Dallas.
16:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this is really smart from Dallas, I think, right,
16:55
Speaker 1: because really in the end, Dallas has nothing to lose here,
16:58
Speaker 1: you know, they sort of they're getting help to bring
17:01
Speaker 1: along one of their own talents. And by the way,
17:03
Speaker 1: what's the over under on him playing fifty minutes? If
17:05
Speaker 1: there's a bonus there, right, I think he's playing. I'd
17:10
Speaker 1: like to call DraftKings about that one and see what
17:12
Speaker 1: the overrunder is. But yeah, you know it's certainly it's
17:16
Speaker 1: certainly a good one. And you're right about Chelsea. They're
17:18
Speaker 1: just you know, Chelsea has been known for the last
17:21
Speaker 1: fifteen years, not really for winning anything, but for more
17:25
Speaker 1: for you know.
17:27
Speaker 2: Throwing their net out there to get all the young
17:29
Speaker 2: talent they can and.
17:30
Speaker 1: Hope that some of them work out, and and from
17:34
Speaker 1: time to time one or two work out, and this
17:36
Speaker 1: is one of those chances. By the way, from the
17:39
Speaker 1: little I've seen of the player, obviously he's got great skill,
17:42
Speaker 1: you know. I like the way he puts it, like
17:44
Speaker 1: the shoulder down and gets around guys. You know he's
17:46
Speaker 1: got He's got a lot of those details. But there's
17:48
Speaker 1: still a long way to go, so we'll see what happens.
17:50
Speaker 3: He's got great hair too. For those who haven't seen him,
17:53
Speaker 3: look up Benji Flowers and I'm excited to see his development.
17:56
Speaker 3: I hope that he's able to cabin solve it. Who
18:00
Speaker 3: I want to talk about later. He's been known to
18:02
Speaker 3: people around the country since he was twelve thirteen, particularly
18:05
Speaker 3: when he was fourteen, and he's good with the spotlight.
18:08
Speaker 3: But I'm always worried for kids at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
18:12
Speaker 3: if if they're getting too much. And even with Cavin
18:15
Speaker 3: the summer, he's had like a lot of like around
18:17
Speaker 3: the World Cup, like Camos had him doing stuff. He
18:19
Speaker 3: was doing stuff with fanatics and he's got that personality
18:22
Speaker 3: and if he can handle he can handle it. But
18:23
Speaker 3: like I'm just worried about any kid like Cavin's in
18:27
Speaker 3: the first team, so it's different now, but like any
18:29
Speaker 3: kid that's not really in the first team or not
18:31
Speaker 3: playing a ton to be kind of getting a lot
18:34
Speaker 3: of reps publicly with like the media. Like I hope
18:36
Speaker 3: that he just has the chance to develop like he
18:39
Speaker 3: would at fifteen years old without having a pre great
18:41
Speaker 3: deal to Chelsea, But I don't know. All those things
18:45
Speaker 3: are are case by case basis, and maybe I'm just
18:47
Speaker 3: being a little careful kid gloves with him because again
18:50
Speaker 3: he's a fifteen year old tap. But that's gonna be
18:53
Speaker 3: it for this segment real quick, because I want to
18:55
Speaker 3: talk about the coaching candidates of preacher po Chatino does
18:58
Speaker 3: not continue, so we're gonna take a quick break and
18:59
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19:17
Speaker 3: we all stand by on hasseg post Aatino, watch for
19:20
Speaker 3: him to make a decision on his future if you
19:22
Speaker 3: will continue with the US national team or not. Let's
19:25
Speaker 3: talk about potential other candidates. If he does indeed, move
19:27
Speaker 3: on for me, Tab. There are a number of names
19:31
Speaker 3: here that range from realistic to maybe not. I don't
19:35
Speaker 3: want to talk about Pep Guardiola. I what else could
19:38
Speaker 3: we add if Hype in an alternate universe where he
19:41
Speaker 3: has any interest in this job, which I don't understand
19:44
Speaker 3: why you would, but you know, maybe maybe he does,
19:47
Speaker 3: if there was any world in which the federation and
19:49
Speaker 3: the billionaire donors could come up with the money. If
19:51
Speaker 3: all that is true, then don't listen to the next
19:54
Speaker 3: twenty minutes because we are obviously would vouch for Pep Guardiola.
19:57
Speaker 3: There's nothing interesting there to say other than if Pep
19:59
Speaker 3: Guardiola wants to coach your team, whether you're Barcelona or
20:03
Speaker 3: a men's league team, you say yes, right top, Hey,
20:06
Speaker 3: we don't have anything to add there, so I don't
20:07
Speaker 3: think that we need to talk about him. But the
20:09
Speaker 3: list in and of itself is a mix of a
20:11
Speaker 3: couple Americans, some coaches with international managing experience, and then
20:16
Speaker 3: some maybe some unknowns or off the grid sab so
20:20
Speaker 3: going into before we even go to the names, like
20:22
Speaker 3: what is your overview for a potential coaching search? If
20:25
Speaker 3: the US men's national team needs to do so within
20:28
Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks here.
20:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously we know US Soccer has already made
20:32
Speaker 1: their decision and they made an offer to Pochettino, so
20:35
Speaker 1: that's who they want.
20:37
Speaker 2: The way I would be looking at this, it would
20:39
Speaker 2: be a.
20:39
Speaker 1: Little bit different because when we brought in Pochettino two
20:43
Speaker 1: years ago, the idea was, Hey, we need somebody to
20:46
Speaker 1: come in here crack the whip on our guys because
20:49
Speaker 1: the last six years have not been great and we
20:52
Speaker 1: just need someone that's going to come in demand that
20:54
Speaker 1: respect from the players and get us going and maximize
20:58
Speaker 1: the ability of the players that we have. What happened
21:01
Speaker 1: after we've all seen no reason to discuss, right. But
21:05
Speaker 1: I'd be looking at this a little bit different because
21:07
Speaker 1: going into this higher, although US Soccer has already made
21:11
Speaker 1: the decision, I'd be looking at it different because now
21:14
Speaker 1: you're looking at four years, you're looking at it for me,
21:16
Speaker 1: You're looking at a different type of coach. You're looking
21:19
Speaker 1: at someone now that would potentially be able to develop
21:23
Speaker 1: the players that are going to come through. Right, I'll
21:27
Speaker 1: give you a couple of stats that I think are important.
21:31
Speaker 1: The average age in this World Cup was twenty seven
21:34
Speaker 1: point nine, so let's just call it twenty eight. Right.
21:38
Speaker 1: In general, average over the last let's call it the
21:41
Speaker 1: last ten World Cups teams have on average between five
21:46
Speaker 1: and six thirty year olds or more. Right. And the
21:50
Speaker 1: reason I'm saying this is because if you look at
21:52
Speaker 1: our current roster, fifteen of our twenty six players would
21:56
Speaker 1: be thirty or more in the next one, which means
22:00
Speaker 1: the likelihood is that ten of these players would have
22:03
Speaker 1: to be out of the way in order for us,
22:05
Speaker 1: And again just talking averages, ten would the other way,
22:09
Speaker 1: which means you need a coach to bring in some
22:12
Speaker 1: younger players and start developing a team, And that's what
22:17
Speaker 1: you would be looking for, rather than the hey, what's
22:20
Speaker 1: the best coach we can hire right now to win
22:22
Speaker 1: games right now, which is what we wanted two years ago.
22:25
Speaker 2: So I think it's different.
22:26
Speaker 1: You know, no reason to talk now about Pochettino's past,
22:29
Speaker 1: whether he developed any players or not. People can look
22:32
Speaker 1: that up for themselves. But the fact is, I think
22:35
Speaker 1: if I were you a soccer I would have been
22:37
Speaker 1: looking at someone who has maybe a little bit more
22:40
Speaker 1: of a history of playing a certain way or developing
22:43
Speaker 1: players a certain way.
22:45
Speaker 2: That's what I would be looking at.
22:47
Speaker 3: That is a great transition to the first name on
22:49
Speaker 3: this list, and it is not a realistic option because
22:53
Speaker 3: of the situations. But Pelgrino Marozzo, everything you just said,
22:56
Speaker 3: I think that fits him very well. He interviewed for
22:58
Speaker 3: the job before Pochatino got job, and even even he
23:02
Speaker 3: kind of indicated that from what I was told in
23:04
Speaker 3: some of the interviews where it was like, if you
23:07
Speaker 3: can get klop, get clop, go walk away from the interview.
23:09
Speaker 3: I get it. I'm not in the same Pochatino, right,
23:11
Speaker 3: if you can get He's like, I get it. I
23:12
Speaker 3: would do that too. Peligriano Marozzo is a guy who
23:17
Speaker 3: would like to build over a full cycle. And if
23:21
Speaker 3: he didn't take the ray also see a Dad job
23:23
Speaker 3: where by the way, he won the Colbadelray. He took
23:25
Speaker 3: a team that was severely underperforming and got them into Europe,
23:28
Speaker 3: won a trophy. What a fantastic time it's been for him.
23:31
Speaker 3: He's not leaving that job right now, and nor should
23:34
Speaker 3: he right so maybe in the future of Pelgrino Marozo.
23:37
Speaker 3: But I say all that to say, to have everything
23:39
Speaker 3: you described, I think he'd be the perfect fit and
23:43
Speaker 3: the timeline just never didn't line up right. When he
23:46
Speaker 3: was available and the US had a job opening, it
23:48
Speaker 3: wasn't the right time for him. He wouldn't have been
23:50
Speaker 3: the right high Like I do still think at the
23:53
Speaker 3: time you rolled the dice on Pochattino or again they
23:56
Speaker 3: tried Clop, they tried Pep whatever. That's the kind of manager.
24:00
Speaker 3: As you said, there was less than two years for
24:02
Speaker 3: the World Cup. And let's get the best name, the
24:04
Speaker 3: biggest name that what we perceive to be the best
24:06
Speaker 3: coach to win games right now in terms of a builder, Telgrineno,
24:09
Speaker 3: matter rots, it would make sense, a whole lot of
24:11
Speaker 3: sense right now. But he has since taken a job,
24:12
Speaker 3: so the timelines didn't outlign.
24:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what I really like about this is
24:18
Speaker 1: the fact that first of all, he understands the American
24:21
Speaker 1: system and who we are as people and who our
24:23
Speaker 1: players are. That's you know, that's really there's no there's
24:27
Speaker 1: no surprises there, there's no learning curve there in terms
24:32
Speaker 1: of what you get out of the players. What I
24:35
Speaker 1: really like about him is not so much. And of
24:37
Speaker 1: course he's done an amazing job at ral So Siddad
24:40
Speaker 1: brought him from basically towards the bottom of the table
24:43
Speaker 1: to winning the cup and competing for a Champions League
24:47
Speaker 1: spot up until right after the one the Copol and
24:50
Speaker 1: then the team kind of the normal part of you know,
24:53
Speaker 1: a team winning winning, a smaller team winning a cup
24:57
Speaker 1: in the middle of a run.
24:58
Speaker 2: So that excusable for sure.
25:03
Speaker 1: But I think his time at Hoffenheim before, you know,
25:06
Speaker 1: the time when he didn't have a great team and
25:09
Speaker 1: didn't have necessarily great players, and how well he did
25:13
Speaker 1: with those, I think those are all positives. I think
25:17
Speaker 1: maybe if you want to look and I don't want
25:19
Speaker 1: to say negatives, but I want to say on the
25:21
Speaker 1: on the other side, I would look at the fact
25:23
Speaker 1: that he plays a little bit different too, and maybe
25:26
Speaker 1: because of his players, but he's a lot more direct.
25:28
Speaker 1: You know, he plays out of a four to four
25:30
Speaker 1: to two. It's not you know, we're more in general.
25:33
Speaker 1: Over the years we have become a four to three
25:35
Speaker 1: to three type country more than anything else, with wing
25:38
Speaker 1: backs going forward and that type of thing.
25:41
Speaker 2: Now I haven't said that.
25:42
Speaker 1: I think what's important is that now we're not necessarily
25:46
Speaker 1: looking for someone that's going to come in and and
25:48
Speaker 1: for me with the way I phrased it. You know before,
25:52
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily be looking for someone to come in
25:54
Speaker 1: and just take the baton from Poschettino. I'd be looking
25:58
Speaker 1: for someone to say, Okay, well, we know just about
26:01
Speaker 1: any coach can take us to the round the sixteen,
26:03
Speaker 1: So let's hope for around the sixteen or more for
26:06
Speaker 1: the next one. But let's also maybe try to play
26:08
Speaker 1: a little bit different. Can we bring somebody that brings
26:10
Speaker 1: something new to the table that will bring more out
26:13
Speaker 1: of our players, and maybe this would be one of
26:15
Speaker 1: the solutions.
26:16
Speaker 2: That's how I did look at it.
26:18
Speaker 3: Right, And just to reiterate, neither of us think that
26:21
Speaker 3: there is any realistic chance of this, just because of
26:23
Speaker 3: the circumstances, but I wanted to put his name in
26:27
Speaker 3: the conversation for that reason. Another American would be BJ Callahan,
26:32
Speaker 3: less proven because of just less time. I think he's
26:35
Speaker 3: a fantastic coach. He did really well with the US
26:39
Speaker 3: as an interim head coach, and that was a small
26:42
Speaker 3: sample size, but it was really good. He's been fantastic
26:45
Speaker 3: with Nashville and MLS. They're playing really attractive, really nuanced soccer,
26:48
Speaker 3: and soccer that has evolved a little bit over his time, right,
26:53
Speaker 3: he still has the same principles. But one of my
26:56
Speaker 3: favorite things about a manager is when they can keep
27:00
Speaker 3: principles betweak around the edges or kind of accentuate the
27:04
Speaker 3: best players, Like, Okay, maybe I prefer to play wide,
27:08
Speaker 3: but I've got a Grete nine and a Grete ten,
27:10
Speaker 3: so maybe we're gonna care more about the center of it.
27:12
Speaker 3: And same thing. You know, hey, we've got three really
27:14
Speaker 3: good center backs, how can we do this? Or our
27:16
Speaker 3: midfielders are more possession based than like all action box
27:19
Speaker 3: and box, how are we gonna kind of work around that?
27:21
Speaker 3: And I think that he's done that over his two
27:24
Speaker 3: years with Nashville, particularly this season, he's been just phenomenal.
27:29
Speaker 3: Tab would you what do you make of his I
27:32
Speaker 3: guess seriousness as a candidate for this job.
27:36
Speaker 1: Well, I think the positive side is certainly that he
27:39
Speaker 1: knows the players because he's been there. But I also
27:43
Speaker 1: think that that could be a little bit negative, right
27:45
Speaker 1: because he spent a lot of time in the Burrholter
27:47
Speaker 1: era too, and you know, our players I think benefited
27:52
Speaker 1: from having someone different.
27:53
Speaker 2: In the locker room.
27:55
Speaker 1: You know, the the short term interim type coaching situation
28:00
Speaker 1: something that we saw in the nineties with Steve Samson,
28:03
Speaker 1: which can work on a very short term. So he
28:05
Speaker 1: took over the team, we went all the way to
28:07
Speaker 1: the semi finals of Copeamerica, barely lost to Brazil one zero,
28:12
Speaker 1: and then he after that tournament took the job for
28:15
Speaker 1: the rest of the time and.
28:16
Speaker 2: It just didn't work.
28:18
Speaker 1: I would be I would put him towards the bottom
28:22
Speaker 1: of the list if we had a list. I do
28:24
Speaker 1: think that he's a good coach, but I do think
28:26
Speaker 1: that maybe coaching another four or five years in MLS
28:29
Speaker 1: can help them with that. And seeing like big star
28:32
Speaker 1: players do well and do poorly dealing with them, you
28:35
Speaker 1: know that that's a challenge that a locker room can
28:38
Speaker 1: bring you. And he didn't have that challenge as a
28:41
Speaker 1: player either, and so I would I would wait a
28:45
Speaker 1: little bit on handing the reins over to him.
28:49
Speaker 3: I think that that's fair critiques, but particularly in like
28:52
Speaker 3: an imperfect pool of candidates, or at least that there's
28:56
Speaker 3: no one where it's just like, oh, this is the
28:57
Speaker 3: obvious guy. I think that he'd be in the mix.
29:01
Speaker 3: I think really really highly of im for the soccer
29:03
Speaker 3: they play and for kind of his man management, more
29:05
Speaker 3: so on the international level, because he came in as
29:08
Speaker 3: the second in room coach and it was just such
29:10
Speaker 3: a weird time and I don't think any of us
29:12
Speaker 3: had many expectations, and who knows if it was just
29:14
Speaker 3: a good couple of weeks. But but I do kind of
29:16
Speaker 3: fully believe in b Jake Allien. Whether it's the right
29:18
Speaker 3: time or not, is a very very fair thing to
29:21
Speaker 3: push back on. A couple others. There are two manager
29:27
Speaker 3: international managers with high level international experience that I think
29:31
Speaker 3: or at least realistic or at least possible. Julia Nagleson
29:34
Speaker 3: who was just with Germany he just got fired. Gaila Sadgate,
29:37
Speaker 3: who was formerly with England. H to do either of
29:41
Speaker 3: these names, I guess one do anything for you or
29:43
Speaker 3: maybe first, do you think it's realistic that either would
29:46
Speaker 3: be in the conversation for the show.
29:49
Speaker 1: I would think Naglesman for me would be a definite
29:53
Speaker 1: no right off the bat.
29:54
Speaker 2: I just don't, you know, I just don't.
29:56
Speaker 1: I don't see how that would I don't see how
29:58
Speaker 1: that would be a fit at all. You know, South
30:01
Speaker 1: Kate would be interesting for me, And again, like you're saying,
30:04
Speaker 1: you know, we're just throwing names out there because we
30:06
Speaker 1: don't know who would be interesting. But I think south
30:08
Speaker 1: Kate has a little bit more of a history of player.
30:12
Speaker 2: Development in England when when England.
30:14
Speaker 1: Sort of took that next step up and whether he
30:17
Speaker 1: couldn't get him over the line to actually win the
30:19
Speaker 1: European Championship. He had the first team right there, and
30:23
Speaker 1: he also did really well with their younger teams. I think,
30:28
Speaker 1: you know, at one point England and US, we were
30:31
Speaker 1: the only two countries that had had the seventeens and
30:34
Speaker 1: twenties at World Cup quarterfinals for two cycles in a row,
30:39
Speaker 1: Like we were the only two painters to do that.
30:41
Speaker 1: So obviously a little bit easier maybe for US because
30:43
Speaker 1: it's easier for us to qualify, but he did it
30:46
Speaker 1: with England and he you know, so I for me,
30:50
Speaker 1: that's interesting because he seems like a very professional guy.
30:53
Speaker 1: For me, I think it's important even the way the
30:56
Speaker 1: national team coach dresses on the sideline, the way he
30:58
Speaker 1: portrays the national team, like all that stuff is important
31:01
Speaker 1: to me, and I.
31:02
Speaker 2: Think he's just the to me. He and I don't
31:05
Speaker 2: know him personally.
31:05
Speaker 1: I met him because we've played against him, but I
31:08
Speaker 1: don't know him personally, but I think he seems like
31:10
Speaker 1: the ultimate professional, So I would say, you know, interesting
31:13
Speaker 1: to me. Interesting, although people will you know, fly off
31:17
Speaker 1: the handle here knowing that hey, we're building an English
31:19
Speaker 1: guy to coach.
31:21
Speaker 2: But I think he's interesting.
31:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:24
Speaker 3: He was with England longer than I remembered. It was
31:27
Speaker 3: like eight years, and they were very successful. They were
31:32
Speaker 3: a defensive team and at times a borning team. Thomas
31:36
Speaker 3: Tucle came in and basically did the same thing with
31:38
Speaker 3: England this summer, which was disappointing, but like what Gazau
31:42
Speaker 3: did to kind of stabilize that group and build that group.
31:45
Speaker 3: Those are impressive. And he came from the English youth ranks,
31:48
Speaker 3: as you said, and they were very successful under him.
31:50
Speaker 3: When he was named the senior national team manager was
31:53
Speaker 3: it was a little underwhelming, I think to people in
31:55
Speaker 3: England in particular, and he proved them wrong. Whether or
31:58
Speaker 3: not you enjoyed every second along the way, because it
32:01
Speaker 3: wasn't the most exciting Football is another thing, listen. I
32:04
Speaker 3: think fans of the US if if the US got
32:07
Speaker 3: to the semifinals, even the quarter finals of the next
32:11
Speaker 3: World Cup, in which the knockout round games was one nil,
32:14
Speaker 3: zero zero penalties wins, zero zero penalty wins. I don't
32:18
Speaker 3: think that they care. It'd just be happy to get
32:20
Speaker 3: to the semifinal, a little bit different than with England.
32:22
Speaker 3: But I think those are those are at least two
32:24
Speaker 3: interesting names. Nagel's man. I guess less so just because
32:27
Speaker 3: of the the stink that came from this this summer
32:30
Speaker 3: with Germany. But I don't think this was a particularly
32:32
Speaker 3: good Germany team. They still should have gone farther than
32:34
Speaker 3: they did, but it's not as if this was a
32:38
Speaker 3: real prime German team, and I'd be curious to see
32:41
Speaker 3: him in an interview. I think that he's somebody who
32:43
Speaker 3: gets it at a big level. He's managed Bayron, you know, Leipzig.
32:47
Speaker 3: He's a really young manager on Hoffenheim. His career kind
32:50
Speaker 3: of hasn't gone quite as as maybe expected in terms
32:53
Speaker 3: of winning trophies when he got the Buyer job or
32:54
Speaker 3: the Germany job. But I think he'd be at least
32:58
Speaker 3: interesting to be in the Mexican thrown names at the wall.
33:01
Speaker 3: Hereb two Spaniards that I want to let you kind
33:05
Speaker 3: of take the reins with in setting up these two names.
33:09
Speaker 1: Well, the first one for me would be Chavi Hernandez right,
33:13
Speaker 1: because Chavi, although it didn't go well for him at Barcelona,
33:18
Speaker 1: he had also got had an experience in the Middle East,
33:21
Speaker 1: so he's been coaching like at the top level for.
33:24
Speaker 2: A little while.
33:25
Speaker 1: Obviously he comes from that Barcelona system, from Lamasia, Obviously
33:31
Speaker 1: he knows good football. And I think this would be
33:34
Speaker 1: a good opportunity to sort of give the reins to
33:37
Speaker 1: different type of playing and maybe this will help us.
33:40
Speaker 1: And again, you know, like you said, we're just throwing names,
33:43
Speaker 1: but I think we're at the point, as I mentioned before,
33:45
Speaker 1: where like we feel like we can get to the
33:47
Speaker 1: rounds of sixteen, regardless of who's the coach.
33:50
Speaker 2: And I think that maybe the way we see.
33:53
Speaker 1: Our soccer, the way we see our football, maybe we
33:56
Speaker 1: can change it with someone like this, because someone like
33:58
Speaker 1: this will obligate are you know, scouting system to look
34:02
Speaker 1: for different players, to look for something different, to do
34:05
Speaker 1: something different. So I think he's very interesting and he
34:08
Speaker 1: doesn't have a job right now. For me, that would
34:10
Speaker 1: be someone I would I would bring to the table
34:12
Speaker 1: for sure.
34:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kinda like I think that I know that
34:18
Speaker 3: that you weren't too excited abou Nagason. I think I'd
34:21
Speaker 3: prefer Naglessan over chav because I just think, like the
34:24
Speaker 3: experience we've seen managers that that have either like done
34:28
Speaker 3: well with Barcelona but then not turn out to be
34:31
Speaker 3: like like short term stance. It was a really weird
34:33
Speaker 3: time at Barcelona, to be fair to Chovy, but yeah,
34:38
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how to look back on
34:39
Speaker 3: that Barcelona squad and he managed in the Middle East
34:42
Speaker 3: before that, and he has had a job since twenty
34:44
Speaker 3: twenty four and I don't know if that's because people
34:46
Speaker 3: aren't calling or he has like it could just be
34:48
Speaker 3: his prerogative. Listen, man, he's Chabby Orrnante's right, like, if
34:51
Speaker 3: you wanted to take a decade off, I'm sure he'd
34:53
Speaker 3: find the work, whether it's in media or just by
34:55
Speaker 3: being jabbyarnanta Is. He's one of the best players ever.
34:58
Speaker 3: But like for me, I I just feel like this
35:01
Speaker 3: would be an unproven route and maybe going for a
35:04
Speaker 3: team and it could turn out well, but do something
35:08
Speaker 3: about it leaves me a little bit luke. For him,
35:19
Speaker 3: you've sold me on the next name you're gonna say
35:21
Speaker 3: as somebody if we're gonna go unknown. Maybe maybe I'm
35:25
Speaker 3: falling for the allure of what you don't know, but
35:28
Speaker 3: I think the next time you're about to talk talk
35:30
Speaker 3: about it is gonna sound pretty attractive.
35:32
Speaker 1: Well, the next one I was looking at was Santi Dnia.
35:35
Speaker 1: Santi Danias was the current Spanish head coach assistant when
35:41
Speaker 1: he was at the U twenty ones and took over
35:43
Speaker 1: for him. Did well with the U twenty ones, but
35:46
Speaker 1: Santi Dnia was also the U seventeen U nineteen coach
35:49
Speaker 1: for Spain UH and was also the Olympic coach and
35:52
Speaker 1: is and won the gold medal with with UH with Spain.
35:57
Speaker 1: He's someone that I had not really heard the name.
36:00
Speaker 1: To be fair, I you know, when we started doing
36:03
Speaker 1: this exercise, I started to look at assistant coaches in
36:07
Speaker 1: Spain because of the way they play, and I wanted
36:09
Speaker 1: to see sometimes the assistant coaches are really the ones
36:12
Speaker 1: that put it all together for the head coach and
36:14
Speaker 1: they're important people. So I started to look at the
36:17
Speaker 1: history and this name really popped up. I didn't know
36:20
Speaker 1: who he was, but I think, you know, if I'm
36:23
Speaker 1: if I'm sitting around trying to figure out who my
36:25
Speaker 1: coach is going to be. This is one to me
36:29
Speaker 1: that that comes forward to someone I would definitely want
36:31
Speaker 1: to have an interview with and see what his thoughts
36:33
Speaker 1: are because he has extensive experience of developing player at
36:37
Speaker 1: the highest level and and and in particular extensive experience
36:42
Speaker 1: and making Spain play the way they play at all
36:45
Speaker 1: their national teams.
36:46
Speaker 2: And I think that's really interesting.
36:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for for us from the outside, we're probably
36:54
Speaker 3: just going to be fun. Right, There's there's a reason
36:55
Speaker 3: why we said NAGUSM in South Kate Callahan gonna matter.
37:00
Speaker 3: So like it's the job of the federation to find
37:03
Speaker 3: U Santi Dania and some other people like this interview,
37:05
Speaker 3: and I know that that's what they will be doing.
37:08
Speaker 3: So I'm curious who else might be in this bucket
37:11
Speaker 3: that that you and I don't have on our radar.
37:13
Speaker 3: That's why I think it's super interesting that this that
37:15
Speaker 3: this name that you found, this profile, what his resume is,
37:18
Speaker 3: the things that you've done. This would be somebody who
37:23
Speaker 3: you'd really have to see what he interviews, like, what
37:25
Speaker 3: how he kind of both comands a room and the
37:27
Speaker 3: man management side of things. But to all right, what
37:29
Speaker 3: is your plan? What what what?
37:30
Speaker 2: What? What?
37:31
Speaker 3: What would you do if you were installed as the
37:33
Speaker 3: head coach. What'll be your tactics, will be your satist,
37:35
Speaker 3: will be your plan for development. And these are some
37:38
Speaker 3: of the guys that you maybe have lower exp Like
37:40
Speaker 3: if you have interviews set up with Nogs in Southgate
37:43
Speaker 3: and Danya, you're as a human being, you're probably looking
37:46
Speaker 3: forward to the first two because you know them more,
37:47
Speaker 3: you know what they've done, and Dani Barre like, and
37:50
Speaker 3: that guy has the chance to blow you away, particularly
37:53
Speaker 3: if the first two interviews aren't particularly inspiring. So this
37:58
Speaker 3: is all part of the process and this is what
38:00
Speaker 3: it's going to be important to find different profiles. But
38:02
Speaker 3: but tab I find it very interesting, even if it's
38:05
Speaker 3: not this specific person, the process that led you to
38:08
Speaker 3: this person.
38:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of you know, it's funny because as
38:12
Speaker 1: I was looking at all the assistant coaches that kept
38:14
Speaker 1: seeing this name, I was like, the common denominated was
38:17
Speaker 1: this person?
38:18
Speaker 2: I was like, who is this?
38:19
Speaker 1: I started looking at his picture and he's a little
38:20
Speaker 1: bit of an older guy. He's not a he's not
38:22
Speaker 1: a really young coach. So but I was like, I mean,
38:25
Speaker 1: there's too much he played at the highest level. He
38:27
Speaker 1: played for Athletical Madrid. Like he he was there as
38:30
Speaker 1: a player in the locker room with the big play,
38:32
Speaker 1: so he knows what that's like. And on top of it,
38:35
Speaker 1: he's coached all these teams, including winning the gold medal
38:38
Speaker 1: game for Spain. I think it was against tierry on
38:41
Speaker 1: Ree right in the in the final. Oh it was yea,
38:45
Speaker 1: which you know, which leads us maybe to that next name,
38:48
Speaker 1: you know, And I'll just make that transition because tierry
38:50
Speaker 1: on Ree is also somebody who I think I don't
38:54
Speaker 1: want to speak out of line, but I think he
38:56
Speaker 1: has expressed in some sort of way some interest and
38:58
Speaker 1: and and and potentially taking the US job.
39:01
Speaker 2: You know.
39:01
Speaker 1: I think, you know, again, we're you know, when you
39:03
Speaker 1: look at all the names on the list and then
39:05
Speaker 1: we look at tierryon Ree and we say, hey, maybe
39:08
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the resume. Well I think he does.
39:11
Speaker 1: I think he does. You know, he coached France to
39:13
Speaker 1: the Olympic gold medal game. You know, he coached Monaco
39:19
Speaker 1: and although it didn't go well for him at Monaco,
39:21
Speaker 1: he was there. He coached in Montreal, so he knows MLS.
39:24
Speaker 1: He knows players here, he knows the league. You know,
39:27
Speaker 1: we just saw him at the World Cup. He understands
39:29
Speaker 1: sort of the American way. I think Tierryan Ree is
39:33
Speaker 1: also very interesting for us because, and by the way,
39:36
Speaker 1: this is what I really like about tierryon Ree.
39:38
Speaker 2: I like all of the.
39:39
Speaker 1: Things that we initially didn't like about tierryon Ree.
39:43
Speaker 2: Which was he has his way.
39:44
Speaker 1: He's gonna say what he wants and he's gonna do
39:47
Speaker 1: it his way. And at first you're like, I don't
39:50
Speaker 1: like that guy, and then you're like, you know what,
39:51
Speaker 1: I really like that guy. And that's how I feel
39:53
Speaker 1: about titerryon Ree. I really like him. I really like
39:56
Speaker 1: that he has a way, and he will stick to
39:58
Speaker 1: his word and his thing, and and he's a true leader.
40:01
Speaker 3: I like that. The true leader. That is a perfect
40:04
Speaker 3: way to put it. I totally agree. You talk to
40:07
Speaker 3: guys who played with him with the Red Bulls at
40:09
Speaker 3: the end of his career. You see him on TV
40:12
Speaker 3: commands a room, and I know that sounds silly of
40:14
Speaker 3: comparing that to a locker room, but just watch the
40:17
Speaker 3: way that the best players in the world talk to
40:20
Speaker 3: him or interact when they are around him. Maybe that
40:23
Speaker 3: would get old after a few months of getting yelled
40:26
Speaker 3: out on the training pitcher or whatever. But like, I
40:28
Speaker 3: don't know, man Like, he doesn't need the biggest resume
40:32
Speaker 3: to be in this conversation because of who he is,
40:37
Speaker 3: and to your point, he has had experience, right, Like
40:39
Speaker 3: the Olympic job was very good for him. He was
40:43
Speaker 3: an assistant at Belgium, so he's familiar with World Cups,
40:47
Speaker 3: a big tournaments and international soccer. Like you said, he
40:50
Speaker 3: was the Montrealays with Monaco. The Monico one was a
40:52
Speaker 3: little disappointing. They fired him after like twenty games. I
40:55
Speaker 3: don't like, unless you're an absolute disaster, I don't think
41:00
Speaker 3: know that Tierry on me is not announced disaster. I
41:02
Speaker 3: don't think anybody should get fired that quickly again, unless
41:05
Speaker 3: that you're basically that's gonna be your last job because
41:07
Speaker 3: you got found out it. This role isn't for you.
41:09
Speaker 3: That's not Tierry. So maybe you don't. We don't pin
41:13
Speaker 3: that totally on him. I think the more that you look,
41:15
Speaker 3: the more we're looking and more we're talking about it,
41:18
Speaker 3: I'm more warm and more open to it. This is
41:20
Speaker 3: another guy to be really curious of, Like, hey, tell
41:22
Speaker 3: me how you see this team? What would you do
41:25
Speaker 3: in your first camp? Or let's say that everybody is
41:28
Speaker 3: magically fit and healthy and available. What's your eleven what's
41:31
Speaker 3: your tactics, what's your philosophy? Because Tab we know he's
41:35
Speaker 3: got the locker room side of things, or we feel
41:38
Speaker 3: really strongly about it that he's somebody who will command
41:40
Speaker 3: the locker room, who will command respect and can manage
41:43
Speaker 3: big players and big egos, and if you can do
41:46
Speaker 3: that at Belgium, and by the way, I'm pretty sure
41:49
Speaker 3: the timeline lines up that he was in the locker
41:50
Speaker 3: room when Chibou Cutois and Kevin de Bruyne had a
41:54
Speaker 3: personal issue between them involving one of their wives that
41:57
Speaker 3: they stop speaking to each other. Those are two of
41:59
Speaker 3: the best players in the world world and Alack, I
42:01
Speaker 3: think he can handle Christian Pool's like asking to not
42:04
Speaker 3: played the Gold Cup.
42:05
Speaker 1: Right.
42:05
Speaker 3: If you can do that and the team stays together
42:07
Speaker 3: or at least the best that you could, I think
42:10
Speaker 3: you could handle just about anything that get thrown at
42:12
Speaker 3: you in international soccer. But I think before we started
42:16
Speaker 3: this conversation I was a little bit cooler on Tierry Henrie,
42:19
Speaker 3: and as we got here, I think you've really warmed
42:22
Speaker 3: me up on this one.
42:23
Speaker 2: I'm glad I did.
42:24
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did because he's truly you know, you
42:27
Speaker 1: know the thing about Tierry Rie, he's truly you know,
42:30
Speaker 1: royalty in this game. Yes, but I think he works hard,
42:33
Speaker 1: you know, and you can tell he works hard, you know,
42:36
Speaker 1: just by the way you know he talks on TV.
42:38
Speaker 1: By the way he took care of his Montreal team.
42:41
Speaker 1: He didn't take a day off, by the way you know,
42:43
Speaker 1: he took that France team to to to the final
42:46
Speaker 1: of the Olympic Games. You know, like you said, you
42:50
Speaker 1: and I forgot to mention that, you know, being an
42:52
Speaker 1: assistant coach the Roberto Martinez for a lot of years.
42:55
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't just do it for like a
42:57
Speaker 1: couple of months, and he was there and he was
42:59
Speaker 1: an assistant coach coach he likedly was the guy that
43:01
Speaker 1: had to set up the colles for the coach. I mean,
43:03
Speaker 1: you know, like it's not easy to be in asking
43:06
Speaker 1: read no, but I mean, you know, this is this
43:10
Speaker 1: is all part of becoming a coach or doing all
43:12
Speaker 1: those little things.
43:13
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he did them, and I so I
43:15
Speaker 2: have a lot of respect for that.
43:16
Speaker 1: And I think you know that the part that you
43:18
Speaker 1: can't buy with even with experience from some other guys
43:22
Speaker 1: he has, which is what you said. He will walk
43:24
Speaker 1: in the locker room and ask from players, and whatever
43:28
Speaker 1: he asked from players, that will have to be delivered
43:32
Speaker 1: because he will accept no less than that.
43:33
Speaker 2: And I think that's important.
43:36
Speaker 3: So speaking to the manager who worked under a Belgium,
43:38
Speaker 3: Roberto Martinez, he's been linked in these conversations and just
43:42
Speaker 3: of anybody on this list, pretty much, I got I
43:44
Speaker 3: got no use for this. I don't want it. He's
43:47
Speaker 3: he's been at Belgium, he's been at Portugal. Congrats on
43:51
Speaker 3: what he's done in his career. I if somebody else
43:55
Speaker 3: wants him to take I just it doesn't do anything
43:58
Speaker 3: for me at all.
44:00
Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I'm sorry you feel so strongly
44:03
Speaker 1: about that, Tom, I you know I don't.
44:06
Speaker 2: I don't feel strongly that he should be considered.
44:08
Speaker 1: But yet, you know, I have to recognize that he's
44:11
Speaker 1: done a lot in the game, and you know, coaching
44:13
Speaker 1: Belgium for all those years, that's not easy because they
44:16
Speaker 1: had the Golden Generation, and of course he didn't take
44:19
Speaker 1: their golden generation until the ultimate goal, which was to
44:21
Speaker 1: win the World Cup. But just even managing those players
44:24
Speaker 1: for the number of years and keeping his job doing it.
44:28
Speaker 1: That's not easy, you know. In this World Cup and
44:31
Speaker 1: leading into this World Cup he had to manage a
44:33
Speaker 1: Portugal with Ronaldo and that's not easy, and he did
44:37
Speaker 1: that as well. You know, he's also on the technical
44:40
Speaker 1: board of FIFA, because you know, I've been there, so
44:42
Speaker 1: I've seen him work, you know, I you know, I
44:45
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's a big name, and I think
44:47
Speaker 1: he's certainly someone to respect and to consider. But yet
44:51
Speaker 1: I would I would likely put him under quite a
44:54
Speaker 1: few of the other names that we mentioned.
44:56
Speaker 2: And hope and hope that makes you happy.
44:58
Speaker 3: You know, fair enough, that's good because even after I
45:01
Speaker 3: said it sounds me and particularly in one breath being like, oh,
45:04
Speaker 3: look at Terry on Rhees's resume he was an assistant
45:06
Speaker 3: for Belgium, and then the Belgium head coaches like, I
45:07
Speaker 3: don't want that guy. But I still feel good about it.
45:10
Speaker 3: I'd still like to exhaust other options. First, two more
45:14
Speaker 3: here that I don't think are realistically within the mix,
45:17
Speaker 3: but but I think that they are enough to bring up.
45:19
Speaker 3: One will for Nazi because he was contacted by US Soccer.
45:23
Speaker 3: I don't remember which opening this was. This might have
45:26
Speaker 3: been before they brought back Buraltar, or maybe it was
45:28
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the Puchino stuff. I don't remember
45:30
Speaker 3: the timeline, but I know that that he was contacted
45:32
Speaker 3: by US Soccer. I know his name has gotten some
45:35
Speaker 3: shine knocked off of it for his time at Celtic.
45:38
Speaker 3: I respect him for trying to take on that challenge.
45:40
Speaker 3: I might advise him in the future to don't take
45:42
Speaker 3: a job unless you have a full preseason, particularly the
45:44
Speaker 3: way he wants to play. I think he'd be an
45:46
Speaker 3: interesting international manager, but in terms of resume, I would
45:49
Speaker 3: like to see him succeed in Europe before considering him
45:52
Speaker 3: for the US national team, as much as I love
45:54
Speaker 3: the way that they play or his team's played. And
45:56
Speaker 3: then the other Steve Taruntlo just nam the Olympic head coach.
45:59
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a timeline here where he does really well.
46:01
Speaker 3: Pochatino's here for two years and then hands the rain's over.
46:03
Speaker 3: I don't see that as particularly likely, but again, he's
46:06
Speaker 3: American Soccer Royalty. He's won a lot with LFC in
46:11
Speaker 3: his loan, first team head coaching job, and now he's
46:14
Speaker 3: got the Olympic team, and curiously, how he does greasy
46:17
Speaker 3: a style of play, what he wants to do or
46:20
Speaker 3: what he'll he's willing to do in terms of tactical
46:22
Speaker 3: flexibility that we didn't see at LFC. So I think
46:26
Speaker 3: he deserves at least be named here.
46:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll start with Charundelo first, and I'd
46:33
Speaker 1: say that, you know, I think you're right. You know,
46:35
Speaker 1: he you know, he's he's paid his dues, he's you know,
46:39
Speaker 1: coaching MLS. You know, not maybe he didn't play the
46:42
Speaker 1: way we would like to see our national team play.
46:44
Speaker 1: But again that those are not our decisions. We have
46:47
Speaker 1: to go in a certain direction. And whatever direction that is,
46:51
Speaker 1: I hope that we stick with the person and go
46:53
Speaker 1: with it, because you know, let's be honest, even you know,
46:57
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Pochettino staying, but if he
47:00
Speaker 1: does stay, I will support that, like we have to
47:02
Speaker 1: support that, like how do we support that? Right? And
47:05
Speaker 1: and with Toarundolo, maybe that's the plan from US Soccer.
47:08
Speaker 2: The plan is you know.
47:11
Speaker 1: That Pochettino is likely not going to be here four
47:13
Speaker 1: years and they know that, and when he's not and
47:16
Speaker 1: he decides to leave, maybe Cherundolo would be partly an
47:20
Speaker 1: assistant to him during that time, and and when Pichettino leaves,
47:23
Speaker 1: he takes over the job, and maybe that you know
47:25
Speaker 1: that that's part of it, you know. As far as
47:29
Speaker 1: what was the other name, Tom that you were mentioning, Nazi, oh,
47:31
Speaker 1: Wilfer Nanci. Yeah, As far as Wilfer Nancy, I would
47:35
Speaker 1: say I would put him in line sort of with
47:36
Speaker 1: a child.
47:37
Speaker 2: I would not worry about his time at Celtic.
47:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, it didn't work, But I mean I don't
47:42
Speaker 1: think that that changes anything in terms of like, is
47:45
Speaker 1: this a bad coach now because it didn't work there.
47:47
Speaker 2: I think maybe, I think maybe what he learned there.
47:50
Speaker 1: Is the fact that you can't go into the middle
47:52
Speaker 1: of the season into a club and implement only what
47:55
Speaker 1: you want to do. That you have to mold to
47:57
Speaker 1: the to the team that's been given to you that
47:59
Speaker 1: you didn't pick right, Because I know that's one of
48:02
Speaker 1: the mistakes I made in Houston, Right. I went into
48:05
Speaker 1: a job where I thought I'm gonna play my way
48:07
Speaker 1: regardless of us not being able to get players, you know,
48:10
Speaker 1: And that's a mistake. And I think he made the
48:12
Speaker 1: mistake and I think he would recognize that likely, but
48:15
Speaker 1: that doesn't change the fact that he can set a
48:17
Speaker 1: way to play because his teams have played really nicely
48:20
Speaker 1: over the years and they were successful as they were
48:23
Speaker 1: doing it, and so maybe a coach like that that
48:25
Speaker 1: has four years to develop, he would be a little bit.
48:27
Speaker 2: I think what I see in.
48:29
Speaker 1: Line of what Chavi Hernandez would bring, he would bring
48:32
Speaker 1: a new way, and I think it's not a bad call.
48:35
Speaker 2: Why not.
48:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that he wouldn't be like the
48:37
Speaker 3: first call or the second call, but as there he's
48:41
Speaker 3: somebody that I think would be under consideration. Well, these
48:44
Speaker 3: are two very different things, of course, but I know
48:46
Speaker 3: when MLS teams open jobs, they called and the response
48:52
Speaker 3: that they've gotten over the last few months was thank you,
48:55
Speaker 3: appreciate it. I want to stay in Europe right now,
48:58
Speaker 3: so he should be at least somewhere on the call list.
49:01
Speaker 3: If a couple of those top dream targets don't happen,
49:05
Speaker 3: we'll see how this goes. We're recording right now at
49:08
Speaker 3: eleven oh eight am on Tuesday. It's gonna be tough
49:10
Speaker 3: if at one thirty pm there's a decision made Pochettino,
49:13
Speaker 3: and this all seems this all seems silly, but like
49:17
Speaker 3: we're getting closer and closed in September. And I know
49:19
Speaker 3: I've said it here before, but just just to rehash,
49:24
Speaker 3: the strong assumption is if Pochatino departs, it would be
49:27
Speaker 3: an intro manager for September. I don't know who Trounlo is,
49:30
Speaker 3: somebody who makes sense to just be a caretaker for
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Speaker 3: a few games, right, He's got the biggest, the biggest
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Speaker 3: experience at the Federation in this role rather than bringing
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Speaker 3: somebody from the outside in. And also Pochettino's top assistance
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Speaker 3: are his guys. They will not stay when he leaves.
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Speaker 3: All of that being said, it is extraordinarily likely that
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Speaker 3: if Poach leaves that it will be an interim in September.
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Speaker 3: But you know, maybe things move quicker than we think,
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Speaker 3: but that's just kind of where things stand up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, that's where we are. I think you
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Speaker 2: summed it up pretty well.
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Speaker 1: I think we gave hopefully, you know, people at US
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Speaker 1: Soccer are watching our our show, and we gave him
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Speaker 1: some ideas and some background on some guys and and
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Speaker 1: this this is helpful. So yeah, that's the way you
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Speaker 1: framed it, that's hopefully, you know, Pochetino will decide at
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Speaker 1: some point this week, and we're not waiting too long
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Speaker 1: and and more not because he's staying, but in case
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Speaker 1: he decides to leave, right because at that point we
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Speaker 1: you would hope that US Soccer has at least some
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Speaker 1: you know, some backup plans and they're interviewing some other people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that they don't take what I say
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Speaker 3: too seriously. I know that there are much a lot
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Speaker 3: of people within there that are smarter than me, and
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Speaker 3: I think that they know that. I don't think that
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Speaker 3: they were listening to me hanging on any words. But
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Speaker 3: with that being said, Teb, thank you as always for
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Speaker 3: your time. I can't wait to react to this news
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Speaker 3: as it develops. Hopefully the team wills and clarity in
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Speaker 3: the future at some point soon, but for now we're
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Speaker 3: on Putatina Watch and until then, we'll be back very
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Speaker 3: very soon. So thank you for listening Inside American Soccer.
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Speaker 3: Please right view subscriber the podcast. We will be back
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Speaker 3: next week or maybe sooner if there's a decision. Who knows.
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Speaker 3: Stay tunes m HM