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  In tonight's episode of Disguise coverage, we're going to dive into the Buffalo
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  Bills twenty twenty three rookie class from the perspective of their individual skill sets,
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  the player evaluations, their fits within the game, the schematic structure of the
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  Bills, whether offensively defensively, their developmental timelines, and then use all of
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  that to put together what their paths to the field and playing time look like.
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  By extension, I think that's you know, a lot of people are
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  going to be doing draft breakdowns and grades and player analysis and all of those
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  things, but all of it needs to be put into the perspective of what
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  do these guys look like, not only for twenty twenty four and beyond,
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  but for twenty twenty three. This is a team that, whether accurately or
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  inaccurately, has been branded by the Bills Mafia fan base as being a team
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  that really hasn't played their rookies the last several years and this past year especially.
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  I disagree with a lot of that narrative, but when you look at
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  this rookie class, it's an interesting one from a timeline perspective in terms of
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  who is ready to contribute in twenty twenty three, and how much? Who
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  is ready to potentially contribute in more minor ways in twenty twenty three and how
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  much? And then what does twenty twenty four look like, twenty twenty five,
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  so on and so forth. That's what we're gonna be diving into on
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  tonight's show. So again, we're gonna go through each one of the Buffalo
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  Bill's draft picks here in this twenty twenty three draft class, I'm gonna be
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  breaking down their skill sets from my film study and tape evaluation from before the
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  draft, after the draft, breaking it down with some advanced metrics, putting
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  it all together as we do here on the show where we marry and merge
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  film plus advanced metrics. As we start to dive in to the first couple
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  of topics, I see a bunch of folks jumping into the chat, which
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  in front of more eyes and ears. And as we start to go through
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  each one of the bills draft picks here in this episode, I want to
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  up into the chat as we go along, players specific or not. As
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  away from my notes, beside that I try to pull up anything and everything
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  live, that's cool. Appreciate your post lide view, download, listening,
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  whatever you got. I think where Roy's head is already add he says,
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  I'm here to check out the tree. I appreciate that very much. The
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  tree is still in its draft splendor, little silver and gold action, very
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  themed tree action or still rocking the draft theme like where Sophie has had his
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  act, she says, been looking forward to this since the draft ended.
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  Rock on it. I appreciate you, Sophia, thank you very much.
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  Also, thank you very much for your extremely kind combent on one of the
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  videos that Greg and I did for the instant Reaction or now says, I
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  don't know if it was day three or day two. We have a very
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  kind and seemingly sincere message, so we Greg and I both appreciated how kind
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  you were in that message. So thank you very much for that. All
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  Right, seeing a lot, what else do we got? What else did
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  we got? John gets it. John says, there's a second tree on
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  the shelf next to the bunny. That's right, little pastel Easter themed tree.
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  My wife found. Matt picked it out. Put it up. John,
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  you're smart. I decorate some too. John says he loves how my
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  wife decorates. That's fair. She does do a lot of the decoration.
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  It's significant amount. But I help. I'm involved with with themes and ideas
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  and I put I put stuff in there too, But she does a lot
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  of it. So very fair, Very fair. Let's jump right into it.
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  Jump into mister Dalton Kincaid, the Buffalo Bill's first round pick in the
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  twenty twenty three NFL Draft, a pick that I don't think a lot of
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  people saw coming, myself included um, I, well one, I thought
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  he would be gone already. I thought he could potentially go to the Green
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  Bay Packers. I thought he could go to the Los Angeles Chargers, much
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  like Brandon Bean did. And then if all else failed, I thought he
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  would get nabbed by the Dallas Cowboys. I didn't know, of doubt if
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  Dallas wanted a mayor or Kincaid, But I thought Kincaid made a lot of
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  sense once the Bills traded up. That was my thought in my gut.
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  And you know, I done my work on Kincaid pre draft, and I
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  told the story. A whole bunch I was was dry. I've been back
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  from New York City last Monday, and I had the thought in my head
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  of how good Dalton Kincaide was as a pass catcher from the slot and overall,
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  and what he could do to help the Buffalo Bill's offense from a sized
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  perspective, from a twelve personnel perspective, from a mismatch and dictation perspective,
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  large catch radius, good hands, all of those things. And I started
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  and I wanted to put out a tweet talking about how that could really be
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  to pick at twenty seven if he's there, And I still had like another
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  three hours of drive, and I completely forgot about it. And then the
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  Bills pick Kincaide, and I went to go look for that tweet and realized
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  I didn't tweet it. And it's funny just how the Bills again, Brandon
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  Bean gets like that itchy trigger finger a little bit, and see's a guy
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  that he likes start to fall a little bit, and he moves up two
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  spots to move ahead of the Dallas Cowboys and uses the fourth round pick to
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  do it, pick one thirty four them in this draft, so not too
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  much of a give up. Roughly, what from a pick perspective, what
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  the Eagles used to move up to the ninth pick with the Bears to take
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  Jalen Carter got a stop going a super chat, so Fhia says, one,
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  thank you Sophia for being here too, thank you very much. With
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  super chat three, so Fia says, do you know the real reason for
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  Oj Howard's cut? I thought it was just performance related, maybe monetary related.
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  Maybe for me, I just thought it was he wasn't exactly up to
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  snuff, and what they had in Quintin Morris was comparable enough. I know
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  Oj Howard had won maybe two good performances with the Texans this past year in
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  twenty twenty two, but I think largely he was kind of not an afterthought
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  or a ghost, but just kind of like ineffective. I like what Quintin
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  Morris had. I wouldn't have minded if they kept Oj Howard. I thought
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  he was a little better than he was getting given credit for this past preseason
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  but for me, I think it was just weighing what he was versus what
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  Quintin Morris gave you, and then factoring in, you know what, if
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  it's close enough, Morris is under cost control for the next couple of years
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  and is affordable when he's younger, you know, cool, let's lean into
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  him and get some more development pieces. Or maybe it was more schematic,
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  but I don't think we really ever heard anything more than just like, you
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  know, guy just got cut and then from my own individual analysis putting that
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  together, very fair, good question. So Dalton kincaid a pick again that
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  and I don't want to get too caught up into We're gonna be talking about
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  a lot of schematic pieces in Dalton kinkaid in this opening segment. I don't
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  want to get too caught up in the you know, is he a tight
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  end? Is he a weapon? He's a wide receiver. He is a
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  tight end. And the Bills will be using more twelve personnel. But let's
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  not get caught up in the idea of if the Bills are using more twelve
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  personnel, because by the literal textbook definition, twelve personnel is one running back
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  in two tight ends. And if Kincaid and Knocks are on the field.
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  That's twelve personnel and that's two tight ends. Let's not get caught up too
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  much in I think the traditional viewpoint of what twelve personnel is. I think
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  the Bills will be using more twelve personnel this year. Last year they were
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  one of the lowest teams in the league. I believe per sis they were
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  thirty first in the league at about a six percent twelve personnel usage rate.
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  They were higher, I think about a seventeen percent usage rate in twenty one
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  personnel, which is two running backs one tight end. That's because he uses
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  a Reggie Gillingham. But they did use some twelve personnel formations while they were
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  in twenty one personnel, so the percentages and usage rates kind of get muddied.
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  Don't focus on that too much. Focus on you will see Dalton Kinkaid
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  more on this field. I think. You know, as we start to
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  discuss King Kaid here, I think he has the easiest path to the field
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  and the most direct path to the field for twenty twenty three because of a
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  skill set and because of what he offers. So you're were going to see
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  an uptick in twelve personnel this year, But don't think about it again.
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  It doesn't necessarily mean like your traditional twelve personnel formations. It doesn't have to
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  be two tight ends attached to the line of scrimmage on opposite end of the
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  you know, the offensive tackles kind of book ending the line of scrimmage.
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  It doesn't mean you're gonna have seven men on the line of scrimmage. It
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  doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna have one in line attached to the line of scrimmage
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  and the other tight end hipped off it. With King Cade, he is
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  a tight end, but they can run a lot of the eleven personnel formations
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  that they've ran prior to the season. You're just running it out of twelve
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  personnel. Dalton kincaide last year in twenty twenty two, he had a fifty
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  five point one percent slot snapshare in twenty twenty two. If you put that
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  into the NFL for twenty twenty two, that will be the eighth highest slot
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  rate for tight ends in the NFL in twenty twenty two, amongst the forty
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  two tight ends with at least twenty percent of targets. Again, this is
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  a player who his skill set leads towards the pass game. He's quick,
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  he's athletic in his routes. He's smooth, he's technical. He's got that
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  power slot potential right. He gets downfield easily. He can be a mismatch
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  based on his size and his athleticism, and those two things combined. He's
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  got a large catch radius. He's capable of running option routes, which are
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  run based on reading defenders and defenses and processing pre to post snap. I
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  really love how he high points the football. He goes up and gets it,
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  and he credits his basketball background for that, talks about how it's similar
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  to going up for a rebound. You go up, he snatch it.
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  You talk, you protect the ball. And you see that on tape regularly,
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  whether he's on the outside, whether he's in the slot, whether he's
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  in line, whether he's matched up against a linebacker, a nickel corner and
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  a boundary corner, a safety, anybody. When the ball's in the air,
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  it's his. He goes up, he brings it down with his hands.
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  He attacks that, he snatches it, he brings it down. You
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  see that with regularity. As far as a blocker, and I want to
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  talk about this for a little bit, because I feel like it's been talked
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  about a lot in a negative way. So he's not a plus blocker,
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  but he's not a bad blocker. I think because he gets talked about as
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  this pass catching tight end, I think it's an assumption is being made that
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  he's not a good blocker. And while it's not the strength of his skill
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  set, by no means is he a bad blocker. He is functional,
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  and he is a willing blocker, and one just being willing is a huge
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  part of the battle. If you have the effort and the sense of urgency
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  in blocking, that'll carry a decent amount of the way Already. I don't
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  think his former technique is too bad. A lot of it for him is
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  just his overall sides. You know, at two hundred and forty five pounds,
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  give or take a couple of pounds on the week, Like, he's
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  got long muscle, he's strong, but he's not the biggest guy. Like,
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  so he's not your traditional tight end in terms of you know, attachment
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  to the formation and have him block defensive ends or big, thick, powerful
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  physical defensive lineman. When he's in that role, he's more of a shielder.
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  He's more of an escorter, more of a shepherd in those ways.
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  But if you are using him as your second tight end or in that f
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  position, that move tight end aspect, right, he can dig out safeties,
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  he can crack on outside linebackers or dig out outside linebackers. You can
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  watch him pick up middle linebackers at the second level. Of course, he's
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  gonna win the size matchup, in the physicality matchup against nickel corners or outside
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  corners, so he's not Again, I'm not going to sit here and say
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  that he's a plus blocker. I'm not going to sit and say that that's
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  a tremendous aspect of his game. But it's not a weakness, especially when
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  you put that together with his pass catching ability. He is a pass catching
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  tight end. So the fact that he is willing and functional is a huge
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  bonus. I know in one of the Instant Reaction episodes that myself and Greg
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  Thompson did, someone compared him to Mike Gasicki. I don't think that could
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  be farther from the truth. Mike Gasicki was and is not a functional blocker
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  and didn't really put forward a lot of effort in that regard that is not
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  true for Dalton Kincaide. So just because his strength lies in being a pass
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  catching athletic tight end, don't get it twisted and think that that means he
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  can't block, or he's not willing, or he's not functional in that world.
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  Is it a plus? No? Is it a weakness or a deficiency
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  or a vulnerability. No? Also, could it get better working in the
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  NFL getting coached up by Aaron Kromer, a guy who helped coach up the
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  blocking of Robert Woods and Cooper Cup with his time in LA, guys who
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  became some of the best at their positions, and again, non offensive lineman
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  positions. I think you will see an improvement in his game from a blocking
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  standpoint. And again, it's not a deficiency, it's not a negative.
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  Is it as strong as his pass catching ability. No, But that doesn't
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  mean it's bad. Again, functional willing blocker, more of a shielder,
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  more of a shepherd, more of an s scorter. But he will fit
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  up against second and third level defenders. And again on guys that he has
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  the size advantage on, it's going to work even more. Oh, and
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  like John says here, I bet Chromer will tune up his blocking, especially
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  if he's willing. That's a fair point and also could come here from John
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  who says, especially a year with the Bills training staff as opposed to some
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  other Matt training staff in the league. Yes, the Bills knock on wood,
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  their training staff, their their weight room, their facilities, the workout
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  program, the dietary regiment, all those things together. It gets talked about
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  a lot by current players, by players who left, incoming players. It's
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  something that the Bills have really hung their head on, and prior to this
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  past season, it's worked out from an injury perspective and on the perspective as
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  the builds of largely for the most part, been a healthy team. Again,
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  aside from this past year, Donnie says, we still don't know Kincaide's
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  forty time, but he's obviously fast enough to get downfield. Yes, most
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  definitely. Yeah, he had some injury stuff so he didn't run the forty,
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  didn't have a lot of testing measurables and metrics throughout the pre draft process.
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  But yes, do not worry about his speed whatsoever. Now, we
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  talked about the twelve personnel piece, and this is something I talked about on
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  the show pre Dalton Kincaid, I've talked about it on Twitter. For me,
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  twelve personnel is the ultimate dictation piece, or one of the ultimate dictation
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  pieces in today's NFL. If you have twelve personnel, and again when you're
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  twelve, you're two tight ends, and that twelve personnel when they're both functional
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  blockers and functional in the route distribution and functional in the past game, that's
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  really where it comes in. If you're running a lot of twelve personnel and
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  no disrespect, one of your tight ends is Dawson Knox and the other is
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  Tommy Sweeney, it doesn't have the same level of effect as it does when
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  you've got two legitimate tight ends who can be a threat in the pass game
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  and a threat to block and a threat in the physical aspect. Right,
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  So when you go into twelve personnel, you can immediately start to dictate to
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  the defense. When you go into twelve, the defense has to answer several
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  questions because you put the onus on them two adjust to you. Does the
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  defense if you come out in twelve personnel, does the defense stay in nickel?
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  If they stay in nickel, do they have a nickel corner who can
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  match up with one or both of your tight ends on the field in the
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  pass game, does their nickel corner have the size and strength and length to
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  match up with your tight ends? Or in the case of Knox and Kincaid,
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  do they have the size and strength and length and the speed and athleticism
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  to match up and pass coverage against Dawson Knox and Dalton Kincaid. Also,
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  if you run the ball, can your nickel corner fit the run versus the
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  tight end? Does nickel corner have the size and frame and tenacity to fit
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  the run and fill based on whatever numbers are in the box or whatever the
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  line of scrimmage looks like. From an offense perspective, if the defense can't
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  stay in nickel, do they go with three linebackers or three safeties because they're
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  getting beat up in the run and because their nickel corner doesn't have the physical
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  profile or presence to match the tight ends in coverage. So that's another piece
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  too. If they stay in nickel cool, are you getting beat up in
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  the run or you're staying in nickel your nickel corners too small and doesn't have
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  the physical frame and profile and presence to be able to match with those tight
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  ends in coverage. So, okay, you go to three linebackers or three
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  safeties. Can your third linebacker or your third safety? Can they function in
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  pass coverage? Do they have the speed and coverage ability and athleticism to match
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  up with Dawson Knox or Dalton Kincape. Are they able to function in man
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  coverage? In zone coverage? Are they deficient in one? And if they
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  are deficient in one by how much? Also a piece to consider, are
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  you regularly in nickel defense? So by putting in your third linebacker or your
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  third safety for this mismatch potential or try to try to mitigate that mismatch potential
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  that third linebacker, third safety you're putting in. Are they a regular part
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  of your defense from a weekly snapshare rate? Do they know all the checks
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  and adjustments? How much of a benefit are they from a physical perspective versus
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  the run or the pass versus your twelve personnel tight ends? And does that
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  outweigh any potential concerns from a coverage and or knowledge and adjustment standpoint. All
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  of those questions and more have to be answered on a weekly basis. Twelve
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  personnel with two tight ends that can function in both the run and the pass.
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  It allows you to be multiple. It allows you to play rock paper
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  scissors and allows you to throw all three. It allows you to play rock
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  paper scissors and throw rock, throw paper, and throw scissors. Because the
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  defenses have to match you, which gives you the advantage and allows you to
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  dictate to them and or put them in disadvantageous positions, either by personnel or
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  alignment. I've spoken about this all offseason. I just think it's such a
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  beautiful way to run your offense. Again, if you have the personnel,
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  if you have that versatility, because it puts the defense in a legitimate bind.
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  Think of what it does. Think of it from the flip side,
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  from the Bills defense. Right when you've got Tarn Johnson in there, and
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  you've got teams that go with heavier personnel, whether it's two running backs you
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  know, running back in a full back, or two tight ends and both
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  tight ends can function in the past and function in the run. We talk
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  about it all the time, Like you know, Taren Johnson has to play
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  more like a linebacker this week because the team the Bills are playing in use
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  more heavier personnel packages, which means he has to fit the run against these
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  guys, and he's got to be able to match up physically and not get
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  you know, blown up from a physical orframe perspective against these bigger body tight
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  ends and these bigger body guys. It's different when someone comes out runs eleven
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  personnel and it's like, Okay, they're mainly an eleven tarns up against a
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  slot wide receiver or any wide receiver, he's fine. But having bigger,
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  stronger guys who are also athletic and functional in a multitude of ways in a
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  variety of ways again puts the defense into a bun. And then you take
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  Dalton, so you have that piece that sets the foundation. And then you
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  take Dalton Kincaid's ability to work in the middle of the field and underneath it
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  versus both man and zone in a variety of ways. That should help Josh
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  Allen and the Bills passing attack to stabilize a bit more in twenty twenty three.
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  In twenty twenty two, Josh Allen's average depth of target was ten point
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  two. It was again we talked about a bunch on the show, but
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  at ten point two average depth of target was a product of the play calls
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  from Ken Dorsey, Josh Allen's willingness and Josh Allen's willingness and desire to push
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  the ball down field, and also a bit of Josh Allen's perceived lack of
• 21:41
  trust or confidence in his teammates' ability to finish when attacking the middle of the
• 21:45
  underneath areas. You'd see balls, I mean, as you saw it right
• 21:48
  in week one against the Rams. You know, Allen puts one right now,
• 21:52
  McKenzie and it bounces off shoulder pads, leads to an interception. We
• 21:55
  saw untimely drops in the middle of the field from variety of play for the
• 22:00
  Bills. He really missed, and he being Josh Hamlin, really missed that
• 22:03
  security blanket and that safety net that Cole Beasley provided from a consistency and stability
• 22:10
  standpoint in the slot, but by extension that control piece in the middle of
• 22:14
  the field, that easy button, that player who Allen was on the same
• 22:18
  page with mentally and who knew was going to read the defense, was going
• 22:21
  to read the coverage, was going to leverage the space, was going to
• 22:22
  be able to find what area he needed to work in to and more importantly,
• 22:26
  make the catch, and so again. Allen's averaged at the target last
• 22:30
  year at ten point two was the second highest in the entire league out of
• 22:36
  forty one qualifying quarterbacks. The other quarterbacks in that league who are in twenty
• 22:42
  twenty two who had an averaged at the target of nine point zero or greater.
• 22:47
  Marcus Mariota was first at ten point five, who had allan at ten
• 22:49
  point two, two at ten point one. Think of these quarterbacks one in
• 22:55
  a vacuum, as quarterbacks with two, Think of the teams in the offenses
• 22:57
  they were on. When you're looking at the quarterbacks who had naveraged at the
• 23:03
  target of nine or higher in twenty twenty two. So again, Marcus Mariota
• 23:07
  was first at ten point five, Josh Allen was second at ten point two,
• 23:10
  to a third at ten point one, Mitchell Rubisky fourth at ten point
• 23:14
  zero, Zach Wilson fifth at nine point seven. Derek Carr tied for fifth
• 23:18
  at nine point seven, justin Field, Jacoby Brissette Russell Wilson tied for seventh
• 23:23
  at nine point five. Taylor Heineke and Lamar Jackson tied for tenth at nine
• 23:27
  point two, and then one of Miami's backup quarterbacks, their third string quarterbacks.
• 23:32
  Skyler Thompson was at twelfth at nine point zero. So all of those
• 23:36
  quarterbacks I just named, only Josh Allen TWA and Skyler Thompson were on teams
• 23:41
  that finished in the top ten for passing dv away. Again dv away as
• 23:45
  an efficiency metric, and so again Allen to a Skyler Thompson there, Josh
• 23:49
  Allen on the Bills tah and Skyler Thompson on the Miami Dolphins. The Bills
• 23:53
  finished second overall in the league in passing dv away, Miami finished fourth.
• 24:00
  It's hard to live consistently and or efficiently the further you push the ball down
• 24:06
  field, and we saw that down the stretch as the Bills passing dev away,
• 24:11
  which again finished second overall on the year, was ranked twelfth from Week
• 24:15
  sixteen through the Divisional round loss to the Cincinnati Bengals, and Josh Allen's average
• 24:21
  depth of target from Week sixteen through the division round was thirteen point six.
• 24:26
  He was first in that stretch by almost a full three yards ahead of anyone,
• 24:32
  and average depth the target of thirteen point six is wild. We talked
• 24:34
  about it another show. We broke it down on the film whom I'd spoken
• 24:37
  about it on Twitter, And we know if we're thinking in the back of
• 24:41
  our heads or in the forefront of our minds, think about those last weeks,
• 24:44
  the game against the Bears, and the game game against New England end
• 24:49
  the year, and the game against Miami in the Wildcard round, the game
• 24:52
  against Cincinnati. Just the constant and consistent pushing the ball downfield, pushing the
• 24:56
  ball downfield. And again, some of that is Ken Dorsey, of it
• 25:00
  is Josh Allen's blood lust and him wanting to go for the throat and push
• 25:04
  the ball downfield, which he is a very good deep ball thrower, let's
• 25:07
  not get it twisted, but it's hard to live that way consistently. Their
• 25:11
  low percentage throws are lower percentage throws for a reason. And again part of
• 25:17
  it is Kendorsey, part of it is Josh Allen's willingness, but also some
• 25:21
  of it was just him not feeling comfortable or secure going over the middle of
• 25:26
  the field because he didn't have that security blanket or safety net like Cole Beasley.
• 25:30
  And even when Cole Beasley came back, he was the Bill's best slot
• 25:32
  receiver, which he probably shouldn't have been, considering he was out of football
• 25:36
  from the majority of the year, and then he came in off the street
• 25:38
  and was still kind of their best slot receiver, which again he should not
• 25:42
  have been. But then he wasn't really up to full speed and in real
• 25:47
  great football shape to the point where he could command like eighty percent of the
• 25:49
  snapshare like he used to in a ton of targets. So it was a
• 25:52
  deficient area of the field. It was a deficient part of the offense,
• 25:56
  and it contributed to some of the struggles. And again with Allan and that
• 26:00
  downfield aspect of the team, the Bills are going to have that vertical presence,
• 26:03
  that vertical push, that vertical threat, that element in their offense.
• 26:07
  But now with Dalton Kincaid, they have the opportunity to add more of what
• 26:11
  we saw when Cole Beasley was a prime target in the offense, the opportunity
• 26:17
  to have that safety net, that mismatch creator underneath and in the middle of
• 26:21
  the field that can lead to easier and more efficient play. Dalton Kincaid is
• 26:26
  a potential easy button or an efficient see button, you know, efficient button,
• 26:30
  efficiency button, easy button, whatever you want to go with. By
• 26:33
  extension, I think you start to have that further conversation of for twenty twenty
• 26:37
  three, is he wide receiver three or option three or option four? If
• 26:44
  you've got digs and you've got Davis, is Kincaid three? Is Dawson Knox
• 26:48
  three? Right? And then which one of them is four? I think
• 26:52
  that rounds out your top four in terms of who's going to dominate the snapshare
• 26:56
  and then also the usage rate overall. You could even potentially have it from
• 27:00
  a target share standpoint, but I don't want to start getting into into targets.
• 27:03
  That's that's too much into too predictive in a variety of ways. But
• 27:08
  oh, Thomas coming in saying Kim Katoll get one hundred plus targets after Charles
• 27:14
  said I'd like to see Kim Kai get about eighty five targets. Oh,
• 27:18
  that'll be very interesting. Oh, John says smashed that like'round forty five
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  likes so far. Please, please, please, and thank you if you
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  folks are enjoying this content as you come in, or if you were in
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  here now and haven't dropped the like, please and thank you dropped like sincerely,
• 27:26
  It goes a long way, and it's very sincerely appreciated. Also,
• 27:30
  what has to be talked about too, is that rookie wall or that rookie
• 27:37
  hurdle that tight ends seemed to hit more than any other position. I was
• 27:40
  listening to The Athletic last week and or two weeks ago, and Robert May's
• 27:48
  had Jack Doyle on former Indianapolis Colts tight end and he asked Doyle about,
• 27:52
  you know what, what contributes to those struggles for rookie tight ends that it
• 27:57
  seems to hit that position more than others. And Doyle talked about just everything
• 28:02
  that mentally gets put on a tight end because you also think about from the
• 28:07
  perspective of what they're response before. Not only do you need to know your
• 28:11
  route on this play? Okay, is it am I run into a ten
• 28:14
  yard out no matter what? Or is it if it's this coverage I'm doing
• 28:18
  a if it's this other coverage, I'm doing beat, Which means after the
• 28:21
  snap you have to you know, process what's going on in front of you.
• 28:26
  Did the coverage change pre to post snap or are you just straight reading
• 28:29
  it on the fly and it's the same and you have to read it on
• 28:30
  the fly. Is there a defensive end lined up above you, who's impeding
• 28:34
  your release off the line of scrimmage? Or if you are on the slot,
• 28:37
  are you getting a free release? What's the leverage of the defender in
• 28:41
  front of you. You have to do all of that on any given play,
• 28:44
  whether you're running you know, a called set route, or making a
• 28:48
  read adjustment or a site adjustment, and then you have to do that at
• 28:52
  the same time and in the way that the quarterback anticipates you will, so
• 28:56
  that way you can be quarterback friendly. And on top of all that from
• 28:59
  the past perspective, you have to know pass protections. You have to know
• 29:04
  the run blocking scheme. You have to know on this play, what are
• 29:07
  we doing? Okay, they're lined up in this front in this alignment.
• 29:11
  Okay, I'm picking up the defensive end, but oh they shift. Who
• 29:15
  am I picking up? Now? Is the nickel or the overhang or the
• 29:18
  apex? Is it this safety? Is it this box linebacker? Who's the
• 29:22
  mic? Okay, the center's ID and M the quarterbacks ID and them.
• 29:25
  Am I supposed to run around on this play? As the quarterback calling me
• 29:27
  in because he wants me to stay in pass protect Okay, am I coming
• 29:32
  in and attaching to the formation. Am I going to be in the backfield
• 29:34
  all of these pieces. You have so many responsibilities from a route distribution standpoint,
• 29:40
  but from a run blocking and pass blocking standpoint, there's a lot of
• 29:45
  mental workload that is placed onto tight ends in the NFL on top of the
• 29:51
  already physical demand, which is enough from an on field execution standpoint. So
• 29:56
  that's also I think going to come into play. And I think that'll come
• 30:00
  into play with you know, his target share. I know what a lot
• 30:02
  of you folks are kind of putting into the chat now. It'll be interesting
• 30:06
  to see what targets share he commands and what overall volume would work he sees.
• 30:11
  But I do think, man, again, the Bills are gonna run
• 30:15
  more twelve personnel just by default because Kincaid is classified as a tight end.
• 30:19
  But I think you will see twelve personnel used in eleven personnel formations. I
• 30:25
  think you're gonna see Dalon Kincaid lined up on the line of scrimmage, you
• 30:30
  know, next to an offensive tackle. I think you'll see him lined up,
• 30:33
  you know, attached to the formation or hipped off Dawson Knox, who's
• 30:37
  in line as your traditional y tight end, and so you've kind of got,
• 30:41
  you know, seven men at around the line of scrimmage. I think
• 30:42
  you'll see him in the slot. I think you could see him out wide.
• 30:45
  I think you could see him in motion. I think there's a lot
• 30:48
  you can do with him and with his skill set, because he is basically
• 30:53
  a power slot receiver. He is a slot wide receiver with the frame and
• 30:59
  side of a tight end who's a functional and willing blocker. That's where you
• 31:03
  need to see him as he's got the speed to get up the seam and
• 31:07
  get vertical against linebackers, against safeties. He's got the speed to do that
• 31:12
  against nickel corners as well. But then he's also got the size advantage against
• 31:15
  those nickel corners because he's got that large ketch traders and he'll go up and
• 31:18
  he'll pluck the ball. He gives you some yards after catch. He does
• 31:22
  not go down easy. He'll juke and shake some guys in the open field.
• 31:25
  He'll also put his shoulder down and run through defenders, whether it's a
• 31:29
  corner, whether it's a linebacker, whether it's a safety. He gives you
• 31:33
  a lot of again multiplicity, a lot of variability. He contributes to that
• 31:40
  rock paper scissors element fern offense. His path is the easiest to the field
• 31:45
  of all the rookies. And I also don't think that's like a hugely surprising
• 31:48
  statement. Usually first round picks have an easier path to the field. Usually
• 31:52
  they're either a high level talent or they play a position that was a high
• 31:57
  position of need or of value to a team. And Brandon being and spoken
• 32:01
  about it a bunch of this offseason been talking about getting weapons for Josh Allen
• 32:07
  and weapons for the offense. And it doesn't have to be like literal quotes
• 32:10
  from him saying, it doesn't have to be a receiver or a running back
• 32:13
  or a tight end. It could be anything. You know, it's all
• 32:15
  about being multiple and it gives you the opportunity to create mismatches. And that's
• 32:19
  what Dawson Dawson knocks. That Dawson knocks too, but that's what Dalton Kincaid
• 32:22
  does. He gives you the opportunity to create mismatches. If you have a
• 32:27
  corner on him that has the speed and athleticism to stay with him, that
• 32:31
  corner probably isn't big enough to stand up against Dalton Kincaid. If Kincaid's run
• 32:37
  blocking him, or he probably doesn't have the size and the frame to match
• 32:40
  up with him physically in the route distribution or at the catch point. And
• 32:44
  if you do have somebody that has the size and the frame and the strength
• 32:47
  to match up with him against the run or match up with him physically in
• 32:51
  the route distribution or at the catch point, there's a good chance he probably
• 32:53
  doesn't have the athleticism of the speed. Again, a dictation piece a weapon
• 33:00
  that allows you to force the defense's hand and make them answer a multitude of
• 33:07
  questions on every single play week to week and allows you to turn dials up
• 33:10
  and down and pull on levers. Also from Thomas, he's a red zone
• 33:15
  weapon. He's very good in the red zone with his athleticism, with his
• 33:19
  fluidity again, that versatility in that alignment you can line him about why do
• 33:22
  you want to throw him a fade? You want to you know, have
• 33:24
  him line up in the slot and run a slot fade, or you leaking
• 33:27
  him out across the formation. From an inline perspective, who is he getting
• 33:30
  matched up with? There's there's a lot of chess piece pluses and positives from
• 33:37
  the drafting of Dalton Kincaid. Oh interesting com from Tea Dabs. Dob says,
• 33:42
  I see Kincaid more as more of a Cooper Cup than Travis Kelsey.
• 33:45
  Oh, very interesting, and John says, yeah, if Cooper Cup weigh
• 33:49
  two hundred and forty pounds, that's fair Interesting. Interesting are the comment from
• 33:53
  the other John saying a first down and move the chain's weapon. Yes,
• 33:57
  the dude who you know, the proverbial or prototin typical guy who knows where
• 34:00
  the sticks are and knows where the space is and knows where to sit.
• 34:04
  He can just you see so many routes from him, those you know,
• 34:06
  those hy option routes, or even the option route from the slot where he
• 34:09
  releases and he sees the coverage and immediately drops, sinks, his hips,
• 34:14
  sits, catches, and then when he catches it, he quickly tucks it
• 34:16
  and turns into a runner. He turns into a ball carrier quickly, he
• 34:20
  gets that ball and gets up field in a hurry. I think he's a
• 34:22
  plus matchup guy again, a nice dictation piece for the Buffalo Bills offense.
• 34:29
  He has the easiest path to the field. It's just going to be a
• 34:31
  matter of one if he stays healthy knock on wood, but to him just
• 34:37
  picking up the offense, getting into it from a mental perspective, We've heard
• 34:39
  multiple people talk from a passing perspective with this Bill's offense about how sophisticated is
• 34:45
  and how complex it is. So we'll see how he does from that regard.
• 34:49
  And then the run blocking piece. Yeah, he is going to have
• 34:51
  to adjust to NFL size and strength and speed at the defensive line position,
• 34:58
  linebacker position, safety position, and con and see if he can continue to
• 35:00
  be a functional piece. Again, He's going to be a willing blocker,
• 35:04
  but his functionality will be tested against NFL size and speed and strength. But
• 35:09
  this is going to be a nice weapon in addition for the Buffalo Bill's very
• 35:15
  excited from that perspective. Now move on to the Buffalo Bill's second round pick.
• 35:21
  Guard from the University to Florida, Mister Osiris Torrance, someone that Brandon
• 35:30
  being talked about it. They didn't think he'd be there. They didn't think
• 35:31
  Kinkaid would really be there in the first round. They didn't think Torrance would
• 35:35
  be there in the second. I didn't think Osiris Torrance would be there in
• 35:37
  the second. This is somebody who he had a lot of first round buzz
• 35:43
  I didn't think he would necessarily go in the first round, but I thought
• 35:45
  anywhere from the late thirties to mid forties was high prime Osirans Torrance territory.
• 35:53
  He was either depending on whose board you were looking at or whose evaluations you
• 35:58
  were going by, he was either one or two in terms of the top
• 36:02
  guards in this draft. People either had him at number one or people largely
• 36:07
  either had him as number one or Steve A. Villa, the guard from
• 36:09
  TCU, as number one. So I just figured, yeah, by fifty
• 36:15
  at worst, I thought he would be gone below and behold, bills are
• 36:19
  sitting there fifty nine and he's there, and this is a player who you
• 36:23
  know, start with the evaluation piece for Osiris Torrance, you start with the
• 36:30
  physicality. I think he starts with his hands. He's got strong grip strength,
• 36:32
  he's got huge hands. Told the story a couple of times before We're
• 36:37
  at the Senior Bowl. Myself and several members of the Cover one team back
• 36:43
  in February down in Mobile, Alabama, and myself and Air Turner were standing
• 36:46
  next to each other watching one on them ones in the end zone, and
• 36:51
  so one on ones are offensive line versus defensive line, and they're literally just
• 36:53
  going one on one. There's like an imaginary quarterback and they're just going one
• 36:57
  on one with each other. And at one pointing o Cyrus Torans like finished
• 37:00
  his rap and he came and stood in front of me, and you just
• 37:04
  see how huge he is. And then like I looked at his hands and
• 37:07
  I tapped eric and pointed because I could see that his gloves set four x
• 37:10
  out and I was just like, I've never seen gloves that big or hands
• 37:14
  that big. It starts with his hands, extremely strong grip, huge hands.
• 37:19
  I would like to see him lean into that more and get coached up
• 37:22
  with proper punch timing and location with his hands in terms of usage overall,
• 37:28
  with those big, strong hands and his arm length which is very good arm
• 37:30
  length, He's got thirty three and seven eighth inch arms, which is roughly
• 37:35
  around the seventy fifth percentile, which is very good. Defenders should not be
• 37:38
  able to get into his body. He is a people mover. He's big,
• 37:43
  he's strong, he's physical, he's wide framed, he's wide bodied,
• 37:45
  but he's not like he's not basically like fat, like he's wide framed,
• 37:52
  but he's a solid, solid dude. He can absorb second level blitzers,
• 37:57
  and I literally mean not like absorb them, like you see a linebacker come
• 38:00
  from the second level and he hits them or absorbs them and either just stops
• 38:05
  their momentum and stalemates them or will crumple them and make them almost melt once
• 38:08
  he makes contact. One of my favorite things about him is the way he
• 38:12
  refits his hands. And when I say refit his hands, that means,
• 38:15
  you know, say to just trying to make it simple, Like say he
• 38:19
  goes to block somebody right here, and somebody gets in on his hands or
• 38:22
  knocks one of his hands down, or he goes to grab, or he
• 38:23
  goes to punch and his hand gets outside a little bit. He's got good
• 38:28
  hand refitting to the point where he can take that hand and get it right
• 38:30
  back underneath and clamp it on the inside, on the hip, or he
• 38:32
  can get it back into the chest and then combine that with his strength and
• 38:37
  his body control and be able to tork his opponent. So his ability to
• 38:40
  hand fight and refit his hands, combined with the strength of his hands,
• 38:45
  it's a real strong piece. He can turn and seal his man with ease.
• 38:47
  Again, because he's a monster, he does have some inconsistent connection when
• 38:52
  he gets to the second level or when he gets in space. So if
• 38:55
  he's climbing to block a linebacker from a double team, or if he's pulling
• 39:00
  and looping around and going to the second level, I think that could be
• 39:02
  a byproduct of his somewhat limited athleticism and or limited movement in space. But
• 39:07
  you do have that inconsistent connection piece. But when he does connect, it's
• 39:13
  over for a defenders. He also plays a little high when he pulls when
• 39:17
  he's downblocking. He can collapse an entire side when down blocking on pin and
• 39:22
  polls or when he's washing down on split zone. The biggest question for me
• 39:29
  with him will be how does he fair versus the athleticism and versus the quick
• 39:34
  speed rushers in the NFL. His build and his frame didn't lend itself to
• 39:39
  matching athletic or quick rushers or recovering versus speed rushers in college. NFL defenders
• 39:46
  will be more dialed up in terms of knowledge, pass rush plan, pass
• 39:50
  rush moves, and overall athleticism and speed. I think against power guys he's
• 39:53
  largely going to be Okay. You saw some you know, some failures in
• 39:58
  his anchor at times, mainly you know, one real rough ruper against Jalen
• 40:00
  Carter for Georgia. But that's going to happen for almost anybody, and everybody
• 40:05
  against Jalen Carter. So I think overall power guys or guys that are gonna
• 40:08
  try and go through him, I don't think that's gonna work. It's gonna
• 40:13
  be those quick rushers, those guys the quick get off who can create that
• 40:15
  soft edge or that soft shoulder and try and turn the arc on him.
• 40:20
  Or if teams use pass Russia alignment and certain front alignments that put him into
• 40:25
  isolated situations or put him into space, can he survive in space? Can
• 40:30
  his footwork be consistent? Is he quick enough? Is he athletic enough?
• 40:35
  Can he get his hands on his opponent? Can he recover? That's going
• 40:37
  to be the biggest question. I don't have questions about his strength or his
• 40:42
  ability to work and win from a physicality perspective, but I think there will
• 40:45
  be questions from an overall athleticism standpoint against quick or speed rushers. From a
• 40:50
  scheme fit standpoint, I think he can move enough for zone zone runs like
• 40:55
  your outside zone or your wide zone, but he's at his best working downhill,
• 41:01
  working, you know, from a people moving standpoint, So your inside
• 41:07
  zone runs, your duo runs or pin and pulls where he's not the puller,
• 41:10
  where he's the pin guy. He's that guy executing that down block.
• 41:14
  Or again, if you want to run split zone, he's washing down.
• 41:16
  He's that down blocker. What's interesting is, and I mentioned this before his
• 41:22
  fit with the current interior of the Buffalo Bill's offensive line. Right now,
• 41:29
  if you're looking at Connor McGovern and Mitch Morris, Ryan Bates and David Edwards,
• 41:34
  the Bills don't have an interior offensive lineman heavier than three hundred and eight
• 41:37
  pounds, So all of them are relatively light compared to O. Cirrus Torrents,
• 41:40
  who came in at three hundred and thirty pounds. And then you add
• 41:45
  in their skill sets. Part of it is due to you know their weight.
• 41:47
  But you take McGovern and Morse and Bates and Edwards, and these are
• 41:51
  guys who are athletic, they move well in space. How does O Cyrus
• 41:55
  Torrents, who again is three hundred and thirty pounds and is more fit,
• 41:59
  more a physical and imposing guard than he is a function in space athletic Marvel
• 42:05
  type of guard. How does he fit and what does that mean? Schematically?
• 42:09
  If he starts, do we start to see more downhill runs or more
• 42:13
  physical runs? Do we see, like I mentioned, more duo, more
• 42:16
  inside zone, more pin and pull with him as the pin or the down
• 42:21
  block, or more split zone Again he can he is functional enough in outside
• 42:25
  zone, but it isn't a strong suit. He can function in mid zone.
• 42:30
  He can pull a little, but it's overall kind of man. You
• 42:34
  want him being that person to work in short spaces. You want him to
• 42:37
  be with the comment here from Spudge who says, wash down, he's going
• 42:43
  to destroy people, road grader, He's going to erase people in the red
• 42:45
  zone one yard line. You want him in that short area. You want
• 42:51
  people to be pushed into a phone booth with him and allow him to get
• 42:54
  those paws and those vice scripts for hands on two defenders and control. He's
• 43:00
  also very smart. You know you listen? Do you listen to him?
• 43:05
  Do a film breakdown with Brandon Thorne, who's one of the preeminent voices in
• 43:08
  the trench evaluation world for offensive lineman and defensive lineman. And he's extremely heady
• 43:15
  and smart in terms of how he reads what's going on in front of him.
• 43:19
  That's also another piece too, whether it's the run game or it's the
• 43:22
  past game, he's very heady, he's very aware, his head is always
• 43:24
  on a swivel. He's good at picking up games and stunts. The biggest
• 43:29
  question will be does he have the athleticism and the quickness and the foot speed
• 43:34
  to stay with those stunts, with those stunts, to stay with those games.
• 43:38
  Because from a mental standpoint, a football IQ standpoint, he's got it.
• 43:42
  He I showed one clip on Twitter of they were playing against Tennessee and
• 43:47
  he's got a defensive tackle lined up head up on him, and on the
• 43:51
  snap, the defensive tackle tries to dive inside. So Torrens just goes with
• 43:54
  him and buries him, puts him right into the dirt. And with Brandon
• 43:58
  Thorne, Torrence talked about they broke down that exact play, and Torrence talked
• 44:01
  about, you know, I was just trying to turn him and seal him,
• 44:05
  but on the snap he dove inside, so I just went with him
• 44:07
  and put him into the dirt and that little piece showing the ability to adjust
• 44:13
  mid rep and mid snap versus what you had initially planned. That's extremely encouraging
• 44:19
  that he has the mental wherewithal and football IQ to be able to pull that
• 44:22
  off and to go with that skill set. And it'll be interesting again to
• 44:27
  see how he fits because he is very and I'm not saying this in a
• 44:30
  bad way or in a good way. He is very Unlike the rest of
• 44:34
  the interior offensive lineman. The Buffalo Bills have Connor McGovern, Mitch Morris,
• 44:38
  Ryan Bates, David Edwards. The heaviest amongst all of them is only three
• 44:43
  hundred and eight pounds o. Cyrus Torrance is three hundred and thirty. Those
• 44:45
  guys are all movement guys, space guys, better past protectors than they are
• 44:51
  rum blockers, guys with foot speed and quickness, and just get him out
• 44:54
  in space and let him work or all I keep doing it. I keep
• 44:58
  calling him out Torrens and has me nuts. I'm gonna do that so much
• 45:01
  through his entire career with the Bills. Osiris Torrens, on the other hand,
• 45:05
  again three hundred and thirty pounds, big, physical, imposing, nasty
• 45:09
  people mover guy who can climb to the second level and can move a little
• 45:14
  bit, but you want him working downhill. The Bills really haven't been a
• 45:17
  downhill physical running team or downhill physical offense. That might tie in a little
• 45:23
  bit more with Dalton Kincaid, right, even though again Kincaid is more of
• 45:29
  a pass catching tight end than he is a run blocking tight end or pass
• 45:32
  blocking tight end. If you have that bigger piece, that twelve personnel piece,
• 45:37
  again, you don't have to be a physically dominant, mauling tight end.
• 45:43
  But if you're just two hundred and forty six pounds and you're playing against
• 45:46
  a defense that's running nickel and their nickel corner is I don't like five ten,
• 45:51
  one hundred and ninety, you have the physical advantage, right, And
• 45:54
  so maybe with more twelve personnel, and maybe with Osiris Torrens, maybe you
• 45:59
  get more downhill physical displacement effort in the run game, Maybe you get more
• 46:05
  of those Atsu runs again, duo inside zone, more of those We're not
• 46:09
  going north, we're not going east and west, We're going north and south.
• 46:12
  We're going to create displacement because that's also where it's real pretty when you
• 46:15
  see Torrance work those blocks, when you know he's working a combo block or
• 46:21
  a deuce block, and he's got that tackle right in front of him,
• 46:23
  and he and the tackle, he and his right tackle just drive that defensive
• 46:28
  tackle off the line and he climbs at the second level, or he or
• 46:30
  the right tackle slips off and he just owns three tack and just turns him
• 46:35
  and mauls him. It's a real physical presence, and it's a different element
• 46:38
  that currently exists with the Buffalo Bill's offense. His path of the field is
• 46:43
  ultimately ultimately going to be determined by two pieces, one Ryan Bates. I
• 46:46
  think that's the battle we're looking at right now, right guard Torrance versus Bates,
• 46:51
  and also a little bit by extension, Mitch Morse. If anything happens
• 46:54
  to Mitch Morres, God forbid and knock on Wood, I think Ryan Bates
• 46:59
  slides into center, which means that would open up the right guard spot for
• 47:02
  Torrance. But this is probably my top training camp and or to watch as
• 47:07
  of now. It's real interesting to see how he fits in from a schematic
• 47:10
  perspective, and I also think if he beats out bits, we also have
• 47:16
  to keep an eye on what we see from an x's and nose and schematic
• 47:20
  standpoint or philosophy standpoint standpoint from the Buffalo Bills. Because even when Devin Singletary
• 47:27
  was more of the gap scheme runner, so more pin and polls, more
• 47:30
  tackle rap or dart that we've shown on the show, that we've shown in
• 47:35
  the film room where Spencer Brown or Dion Dawkins is coming around the other side
• 47:38
  and going around the tackle or coming around and going between the other tackle and
• 47:42
  the guard. Or when they ran gap scheme, it was more pin and
• 47:45
  poll, you know they and then with Cook it was more outside zone or
• 47:51
  some mid zone. They didn't really have a ton of downhill you know,
• 47:54
  creating displacement runs. When I say create displacement, I mean you know,
• 47:58
  kind of move the line of scrimmage and push and bully the defensive line or
• 48:02
  the box off the line of scrimmage. They didn't run a ton of inside
• 48:06
  zone or a ton of duel or these runs that were straight downhill, and
• 48:08
  I literally mean downhill where it's where we're going this way. We're not going
• 48:13
  that way. We're not going this way. We're going right at you.
• 48:15
  We're going to push you off the ball. Torrance is a move in that
• 48:19
  regard, and I also wonder because being talked about this is an interesting one
• 48:23
  as well. Being talked about. You know, Torrance was there at fifty
• 48:27
  nine and he was the highest graded guy on their board by far. They
• 48:30
  didn't necessarily plan to have him there at fifty nine, So I wonder now
• 48:35
  that they do. Did they have a certain run game plan or identity plan
• 48:39
  in this offseason and with the addition of Torrance, are they either going to
• 48:43
  try to fit him into that current existing plan that they already had, or
• 48:47
  are they potentially going to tweak their plan and identity a little bit if he
• 48:52
  wins that job. It's going to be extremely intriguing in that training camp battle,
• 48:57
  the preseason performances of him and Ryan Bath. I also wouldn't count out
• 49:00
  David Edwards, who started for the Super Bowl winning Los Angeles Rams two years
• 49:05
  ago. He was injured last year. He's a Chromer disciple. He fits
• 49:07
  the scheme and system and what Chromer likes very very very well. It'll be
• 49:14
  it'll be interesting to see what we get from Torrance. His skill set again,
• 49:19
  big physical maler with tremendous grip strength gonna be questionable when it comes to
• 49:24
  quickness or athleticism, especially from a pass rushing standpoint, or against the run
• 49:29
  versus three techs, or certain alignments where he's got a speed guy in front
• 49:32
  of him who's just trying to get penetration and beat him off the snap.
• 49:36
  But he's heady, he's smart, he's got long arms, he's got strong
• 49:38
  hands. He has the ability because he has those long arms and those strong
• 49:42
  hands against the speedy guys or the quick guys, or the smaller guys.
• 49:45
  He doesn't necessarily need to get the best form and the best punch. He
• 49:49
  just needs to get enough of you. And I've seen it on tape where
• 49:52
  he's an arm's length away, But because those arms are long enough and those
• 49:54
  hands are heavy and strong, he just needs one quick hand and it can
• 49:58
  knock a guy completely off platform and allow a run to still succeed. So
• 50:02
  you've got that big physical Maller introduced to an interior offensive line that is known
• 50:08
  for being a little smaller, a little more athletic, and a little bit
• 50:12
  more of movement in space kind of guys. So I think his timeline also,
• 50:17
  it's going to come down a bit to what happens with Mitch Morris and
• 50:21
  what happens with Ryan Bates. I don't think just because Bates was resigned last
• 50:23
  year and the Bills matched what the Bears offered, I don't think that necessarily
• 50:28
  means he's locked in at that spot for the coming years. I would think
• 50:32
  McGovern's spot at left guard is not sewn up, but almost pretty guaranteed to
• 50:38
  a degree unless he comes into camp and is just absolutely got awful in camp
• 50:43
  and in the preseason. So his timeline and path to the field in terms
• 50:47
  of Osiris Torrents is going to come out. Can he beat Ryan Bates?
• 50:51
  And then, by extension, is Mitch Morse healthy Because if Morse goes down,
• 50:54
  I think they move Bates the center and then they put Torrents at guard.
• 50:58
  But we're going to see or maybe they really do want to start Torrents
• 51:00
  and they want to use Ryan Bates as this super sub because he can play
• 51:04
  both guards spots, he can play center, and he's not built for tackle
• 51:08
  with his arm length and his size, but he does have tackle experience from
• 51:12
  his time at Penn State, so maybe they want to use him as this
• 51:15
  super sub, especially because they didn't address tackle in the draft, and their
• 51:19
  tackles right now were Dion Dawkins, Spencer Brown, David Questenbury, and Tommy
• 51:22
  Doyle. Spencer Brown is still a question mark, which means the guys behind
• 51:28
  him are even bigger question marks. The tackle group, for me, is
• 51:31
  still a cause for concern, even if you believe in Spencer Brown. After
• 51:36
  Spencer Brown and Dion Dawkins, it's David Questenberry and Tommy Doyle, which to
• 51:39
  me are somewhat red flags and big question marks. So maybe they want to
• 51:44
  use Bass as the super sub again. It's for me, it's the top
• 51:47
  training camp battle to watch, preseason battle to watch bas Bates versus Torrents and
• 51:52
  buy extension. What kind of scheme and system are they running offensively? From
• 51:59
  a play called standpoint, or even maybe from a mentality standpoint, because a
• 52:01
  guy like Torrance, when you drop him into an offensive line, he changes
• 52:05
  your identity a little bit, just because of his skill set and his size
• 52:07
  and his attitude and his mind frame changes things a little bit. So very
• 52:12
  interested to see what happens there, and I'm very excited. Cash says Torrance
• 52:17
  can pull too, He can pull a little bit. I don't love him
• 52:21
  as a puller because again he's not the most fleet of foot. He can
• 52:23
  pull, it's not his strong suit. It's not his strength. He also
• 52:29
  comes out a little high and runs a little high. As the poller.
• 52:31
  I would much, much much rather have him be the guy who pins or
• 52:37
  the down block guy, the person who's washing. Then be the actual puller,
• 52:39
  especially with how good in space and how good of a mover McGovern is
• 52:43
  and morses and even Spencer Brown and Dawkins to a degree, let them lean
• 52:46
  into the athletic skill sets. Give me the big physical maler as the guy
• 52:51
  who's down blocking, pull him from time to time, just to keep the
• 52:53
  defense honest. But I wouldn't say pulling is necessarily a strong suit, especially
• 52:58
  with his inconsistency and can necting with defenders on the move, whether as a
• 53:01
  puller or somebody climbing climbing to the second second levels. But as a question,
• 53:07
  Spud says, aunt, I have a question with Daln kin k drafted,
• 53:10
  does Dorsey rewrite the playbook or create new plays? The seas steal from
• 53:15
  KC for Daln Kinkage. So what's very interesting is Ken Dorsey. From his
• 53:21
  time when he was a quarterback at the University of Miami, they used their
• 53:23
  tight ends a bunch, both whether it was one tight end with Jeremy Shockey
• 53:28
  or running two tight ends. Then from his time at Carolina, this was
• 53:31
  the Ed Dixon Greg Olsen Carolina Panthers with Cam Newton at quarterback. Ken Dorsey
• 53:37
  is very well versed in the tight end world. I don't want to I
• 53:43
  know, I don't, not even some I don't. A decent amount of
• 53:45
  people were down on Ken Dorsey. First of all, everybody steals from everybody
• 53:49
  every off season, So especially with how Kansas City leaned into twelve and thirteen
• 53:52
  personnel last year, I would imagine he steals or takes some things from the
• 53:55
  Kansas City Chiefs or from a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, who have been
• 53:59
  using two tight ends well for a while, whether it was this past year,
• 54:01
  or maybe he dips into the bucket from several years past when they had
• 54:05
  Dallas Goddard and Zach Ertz. But I trust the Ken Dorsey knows how to
• 54:09
  use two tight end sets. In fact, I would think that might be
• 54:13
  his more comfortable avenue in terms of play design and play calling, both from
• 54:19
  just his experience as a player, but also from his time in Carolina and
• 54:22
  kind of where and how he cut his teeth. So I think he will
• 54:25
  steal a little bit from successful twelve and thirteen personnel teams. But I do
• 54:30
  have some confidence in him to kind of scheme things up for both of these
• 54:34
  guys based on his familiarity and desire to kind of work with these personnel groupings.
• 54:38
  That's where that's room kind of Oh good comment from Pops. I keep
• 54:43
  forgetting. Yeah, I like Boker's back from injury. I keep forgetting.
• 54:45
  I keep keep keep forgetting. Noah says Nick Broker will surprise some people.
• 54:50
  We're going to talk about Nick Broker as we go through. I think I
• 54:53
  see all then I gotta stop. I think I see a super chant da
• 54:57
  forever. Oh that's hilarious. I swear and see I just where I didn't
• 55:00
  see this comment at a time one. DF thank you very much for being
• 55:04
  here. Thank you very much for the super chat. That's awesome, DF
• 55:06
  says, should I remind everyone how much Dorsey watched tight Ends get used proper
• 55:09
  and Carolina, thank you for the show at cover one. Appreciate you.
• 55:13
  Thank you for being here and for the kind words. Yeah, and I
• 55:16
  think, oh this is this is a fair point from Dobbs. Dobbs says
• 55:21
  they wanted two tight ends last year, but OJ Howard bombed. Yeah,
• 55:23
  maybe they really wanted to lean into that twelve personnel piece, but they just
• 55:27
  didn't see it from OJ Howard and they didn't have enough faith in Sweeney and
• 55:30
  Morris. And I disagree with this one from sput Spuds says our offensive playbook
• 55:34
  doesn't have two tight end plays. I don't think we can. We can
• 55:37
  make a firm statement either way saying it does or it doesn't. I will
• 55:40
  say the Bill's roster last year where you're tight end grouping is Knox and then
• 55:45
  Tommy Sweeney and Quintin Morris. I don't think that's a holistic tight end grouping
• 55:52
  that is going to lead to a lot of two tight end usage. If
• 55:55
  for a team, no disrespect to Sweeney and no disrespect to Morris. If
• 56:00
  your tight end too. He's not very he's not very athletic, he's not
• 56:05
  tremendously functional in the past game. He's more of just a run blocking type
• 56:09
  of guy. Right, So you're limited in what you can do from a
• 56:14
  two tight end perspective, and if you're having a second tight end in there,
• 56:17
  that's basically like Sweeney, that's basically like a jumbo blocker. So you
• 56:21
  don't have that matchup, that matchup advantage creation, you don't have that dictation
• 56:27
  piece because you don't have two tight ends who are both functional in the run
• 56:30
  in the past like you do with Kim Kaid and Knox. Quintin Morris is
• 56:34
  a little more into that mold, but he was still kind of in the
• 56:37
  infancy of his career, and so I don't think you're really creating things around
• 56:43
  a guy like Quentin Morris, even though I do like Quentin Morris. And
• 56:45
  to Ron's point here, you aren't taking good players off the field for Sweene
• 56:49
  or Morris. And I think that's a part two, right, Like are
• 56:51
  you think about last year's team even when even with the ups and downs for
• 56:55
  a lot of guys. Are you taking Jamison Crowder off the field for Sweeney
• 56:59
  or Morris? Are you taking Isaia McKenzie off the field for either? Are
• 57:01
  you taking Kalioshakire off? I guess that's more of a toss up. Cole
• 57:05
  Beasley at the end obviously not like so maybe they already have those packages in
• 57:09
  and those plays in. To answer that question, we maybe we just didn't
• 57:14
  see them last year because of the personnel they had on this team. So
• 57:17
  very fair. Oh yeah, Art says a similar piece we didn't have a
• 57:24
  second time, and we're giving the ball to last year. Thomas says Dorsey
• 57:30
  needs an offensive plan, not a bunch of random plays. I still I
• 57:32
  recognize the struggles. This is the theme of mine. I don't want to
• 57:36
  get too far off topic, but I recognize the struggles that Ken Dorsey had.
• 57:38
  I don't think he's as bad as everyone makes him out to beat.
• 57:42
  Again, this this offense, though it struggled a bit down the stretch,
• 57:45
  they still finished second overall in passing DV Away and I think second overall in
• 57:49
  offensive dB Away. I had some problems with some sequencing, some red zone
• 57:52
  design, some connectivity and easy buttons or lack thereof for Josh Allen. That
• 57:59
  ultimately falls Ken Dorsey's feet, But I do think some of it was tied
• 58:01
  to the roster makeup, the talent and player dynamics and skill sets they had.
• 58:06
  From a weaponry standpoint, I also think what can't be discounted. There
• 58:10
  were a lot of plays that were well designed and could have been executed if
• 58:15
  the offensive line could have held up. There were plays the Detroit one is
• 58:19
  filled with them on Thanksgiving where there's guys that are clearing and running open,
• 58:22
  wide open down field, and Alan can't get to him because when they clear,
• 58:27
  he's already had to be running for his life because the offensive line gave
• 58:30
  up a pressure in like a second and a half. There are so many
• 58:34
  things that come together to make an offense have a bad game or have a
• 58:38
  play not work. I'm not saying Dorsey's infallible. I'm not saying he doesn't
• 58:43
  need to get better. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be criticized for
• 58:45
  certain areas. But I think I think he's the low hanging fruit, and
• 58:49
  everybody's blaming every problem on Ken Dorsey. He does need to get better.
• 58:53
  I think with some sequencing things and some adjustments and some pointed modes of attack
• 58:58
  and getting getting into his bag in a way that makes Josh Allen a bit
• 59:00
  more comfortable early in the game and then being able to come back to those
• 59:05
  easy buttons with regularity. But I think there's a lot of variables that went
• 59:09
  into the struggles of the offense last year. That isn't just kind of blame
• 59:13
  it on Ken Dorsey not saying that, you're saying that, But I just
• 59:15
  see this comment a lot where anytime you talk about anything, people come through
• 59:19
  and are like, you know, well, Dorsey can't do this, or
• 59:21
  hopefully Dorsey can do this, And it's more kind of a disparaging remark,
• 59:24
  and it is a general question or thought process. But fair, fair to
• 59:28
  your point. Oh good coming from Joe rosso Cover. I remember what's up,
• 59:32
  Joe. Joe says. I feel like the best part of Torrances of
• 59:36
  Torrance to start is that it allows Bates to move to center if need be
• 59:39
  without a drop off in guard play, hopefully. I think that's very well
• 59:42
  said in Echoes one of the sentiments I mentioned, I think you can never
• 59:46
  have enough depth on the offensive line. I don't care where at the book
• 59:51
  ends, at the tackles and the interior, you can never have enough offensive
• 59:53
  line depth. At some point, knock on wood. Unfortunately, someone on
• 59:58
  your offensive line is going to get banged up. Same thing on the defensive
• 1:00:00
  line. These guys are always banging in the trenches, their heads, their
• 1:00:05
  fingers, their risks, their knees, their legs. Guys are getting rolled
• 1:00:07
  up on. Guys are getting speared. Guys are getting hit on every single
• 1:00:12
  play. There is never a play for an offensive defensive lineman when you are
• 1:00:15
  not in the danger zone. There is never a play. Every single snap
• 1:00:20
  you're getting hit, even just a basic run play. So you block your
• 1:00:23
  man, there's a chance you're running back or somebody's gonna roll up and hit
• 1:00:25
  your knee and blow your knee out. Like it's a high danger area.
• 1:00:30
  You can never have enough depth on the interior. I do like the idea
• 1:00:32
  of Torrens verse Baits straight up and Torrens having the opportunity to beat Baits at
• 1:00:38
  right guard. But I very very very much like the idea of yeah,
• 1:00:42
  if anything happens with Mitch Moore's God Forbid, it's like, okay, you
• 1:00:45
  know, Ryan Bates moves to center and torn steps into guarden. We see
• 1:00:49
  what we got right now. You have a little more functionality, need a
• 1:00:52
  little more depth. That's a that's a good point. Oh, come in
• 1:00:57
  here from Pop saying take Bobby Hart off the field for Kinkaid. I don't
• 1:01:00
  have the numbers. But we know, like the Bills used a lot of
• 1:01:04
  that sixth those sixth offensive lineman looks so Bobby Hart as a sixth offensive lineman.
• 1:01:07
  Now you kind of remove Bobby Hart with a Dalton Kincaid potentially. Now
• 1:01:13
  you have somebody that's a functional blocker but also functional in the pass game.
• 1:01:15
  When Bobby Hart was on the field, you knew it was probably going to
• 1:01:19
  be a run or if it's a pass, he's not going out in the
• 1:01:22
  route distribution. Now with Kincaid, you've got a guy that the defense has
• 1:01:24
  to honor in both ways and the run and the pass. Very interesting,
• 1:01:29
  good comment here from Ron. Having a year under his belt will really help
• 1:01:31
  dorse moving forward. Absolutely Again, I know they struggled down the stretch.
• 1:01:36
  I even talked about it earlier with some Josh Allen Dalton Kincaid numbers. The
• 1:01:39
  Bills passing offense in terms of DVOA was twelveth from Week sixteen through the divisional
• 1:01:46
  round. That's not what you want. You want at the opposite you want
• 1:01:49
  to be hitting your stride and improving as the season goes on. But at
• 1:01:53
  the end of the day, this offense finished second overall in Dvoa second overall
• 1:01:57
  in passing dv Away For a first time play caller an offensive coordinator, I
• 1:02:01
  think it's fair to have criticism, it's fair to have concern, But I
• 1:02:06
  also think it's fair to have a decent amount of optimism. Again, it's
• 1:02:08
  his first year and he was largely successful. This team won thirteen games,
• 1:02:12
  and they were one of the best offenses in football for a decent stretch of
• 1:02:15
  the year, although they fizzled out at the end. So he does need
• 1:02:16
  to improve. He does need to get better. But you know, having
• 1:02:21
  one of the best offenses in the NFL in your first year as a play
• 1:02:23
  caller, NOC is a pretty cool foundation. Oh DF says, No,
• 1:02:29
  this is the theme everywhere Dorsey. This Dorsey, that Dorsey did not have
• 1:02:32
  an offensive line or weapon like this to work with. Silly to think that
• 1:02:36
  we will not change up, change up. We will see, we will
• 1:02:38
  see. An excellent comment from Ron I agree. Yeah, he says our
• 1:02:42
  offensive line was much much worse than it wasn't twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, the twenty two offensive line between Staffold and Brown and the mercurial
• 1:02:50
  ups and downs and roller coasters and the injuries. It was it was a
• 1:02:53
  bit rough. It was a bit rough. Oh, good comment year from
• 1:02:59
  Jeffrey. Jeff says, I think McDermott thinks Dorsey is ready for this next
• 1:03:01
  step of offense, or he wouldn't feel comfortable being the DC play caller.
• 1:03:05
  He's trusting him. That's a good point. That's actually a really good point.
• 1:03:07
  Something I don't really thought of, like, well, I haven't not
• 1:03:09
  directly related to this. With McDermott running the defense now from a preparation standpoint
• 1:03:16
  and an in game play calling perspective, it means he has less oversight for
• 1:03:21
  the offensive side of the ball, so he has to trust Ken Dorsey a
• 1:03:23
  little bit more. He's got to have faith in Dorsey and that offensive side
• 1:03:27
  to kind of police themselves because it's he's still gonna have his finger on the
• 1:03:31
  pulse of the game and the team. But it's hard. Legitimately, it
• 1:03:37
  is a hard thing to call one side of the ball and still run the
• 1:03:42
  overall show. And especially McDermott hasn't done it before. And I'm when I
• 1:03:45
  say hasn't done it before, I mean, like, be the defensive play
• 1:03:47
  caller but also be the head coach. From a week in week out standpoint,
• 1:03:52
  he does it. He's done it in spurts, but he hasn't done
• 1:03:53
  with complete regularity. But I do think that's a fair point, you know.
• 1:03:58
  I think that shows that he's got trust the offensive side of the ball
• 1:04:00
  from a game plan perspective and an in game perspective. And maybe that played
• 1:04:04
  into a little bit. Very fair, very fair, very fair. What
• 1:04:10
  else do we got? What else? Richard says, I think we're going
• 1:04:13
  to be extremely surprised with our twelve personnel. All right, now, let's
• 1:04:20
  move on to the next piece here. Player that is everyone's favorite. Actually,
• 1:04:26
  before I mentioned that favorite, let me mention something that is legitimately my
• 1:04:29
  favorite. That's One Pie Pizza, the best pizza in Buffalo, New York.
• 1:04:31
  You can find the online menu in the episode show notes, whether they're
• 1:04:33
  here on YouTube or anyone in the podcasting apps or platforms. Deliciousweet saucepie Cup,
• 1:04:38
  and char Pepperoni. They make their own homemade blue cheese, which is
• 1:04:41
  amazing. I don't know if I like the pizza better or the blue cheese.
• 1:04:44
  Genuinely, like, I don't know if I'm enjoying the pizza or I'm
• 1:04:46
  just using the pizza as a vehicle to get the blue cheese in my mouth.
• 1:04:49
  But then the pizza is great even without the blue cheese. Everything they
• 1:04:55
  make is quality and top notch. Get yourself some one Pie Pizza. They
• 1:04:58
  also do a lot of good for the community. I plugged this every week
• 1:05:00
  Toys for Tots come holiday time, partner with Roswell to try and knock out
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  cancer in the fall and Breast Cancer Awareness Month, working with the Alzheimer's Foundation,
• 1:05:12
  working with the SPCA. They just they just do a ton for the
• 1:05:14
  community in the city of Buffalo, from a drive, an initiative standpoint,
• 1:05:17
  and a generosity standpoint, and then on top of it, they make the
• 1:05:20
  best pizza Buffalo, New York. That's not an exaggeration. With me,
• 1:05:23
  get yourself some one pipe Pizza. Finding in the online find the online menu
• 1:05:27
  in the episode show once again, whether you're here on YouTube or one of
• 1:05:29
  the podcasting apps or platforms, when you go there, tell them disguised coveraged,
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  disguised coverage. That's not proper terminology for what the show is called.
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  Tell them disguised coverage. Sent you now. I said, this is a
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  bit sarcastically. One Pie Pizza is my favorite. I mentioned the joke that
• 1:05:45
  was a setup because everyone's favorite pick in this draft, I know, was
• 1:05:47
  Dorian Williams, linebacker from two lane, a pick that everybody saw coming,
• 1:06:01
  that everybody wanted, that everybody was super thrilled with when the Bills made it.
• 1:06:08
  No, I'll stop joking. So when it came to Derry Williams round
• 1:06:12
  three pick pick number ninety one for the Buffalo Bills, I didn't love this
• 1:06:16
  pick when it happened. Again, I wanted depth at right tackle and or
• 1:06:21
  competition for Spencer Brown, so I wanted Wanya Morris, who went literally the
• 1:06:28
  very next pick to the Kansas City Chiefs at ninety two, right tackle from
• 1:06:30
  Oklahoma. Wanya Morris, I wanted him. I also would have been very
• 1:06:35
  cool with Siaki Eka, defensive tackle from Baylor, who went seven picks later
• 1:06:41
  at ninety eight to the Cleveland Browns. I do feel a little better better
• 1:06:44
  though, with the signing of Punaford today which makes it feel a little better,
• 1:06:48
  and a little bit of Dj Dale, the undrafted free age from Alabama,
• 1:06:51
  which I want to talk about for a little bit. This is good
• 1:06:56
  from Joe Goteean Gotee, so he took Doriyan Williams and just put goat in
• 1:07:01
  it because he's going to be the best. I like where your head is
• 1:07:04
  at, Billy Williams says, Williams is a great last name. I feel
• 1:07:08
  like you're kind of biased, maybe still a little bit potentially, but I
• 1:07:11
  like where your head's at. Oh morning mine, with very legitimate positivity,
• 1:07:14
  she says, I adore him with three exclamation points, so so thrilled he's
• 1:07:16
  going to be a star. I think you mean Dorian Williams. Maybe not,
• 1:07:19
  maybe not, but yeah, this is a pick again. I didn't
• 1:07:24
  love it when it happened, not necessarily because of the player itself, but
• 1:07:28
  just because of what else was on the board. I wanted offensive line.
• 1:07:32
  I wanted interior defensive line again. I feel a little bit better now with
• 1:07:34
  the poon Afford signing and even a little bit with DJJ. I wanted to
• 1:07:39
  talk about in the back end of this episode, but I wanted Wanya Morris.
• 1:07:41
  I wanted some right tackle. I wanted some offensive line help. There
• 1:07:44
  didn't happen. They took a linebacker who for me has not development or timeline
• 1:07:53
  concerns, but has a bit of a later development Like I don't think he
• 1:07:57
  is a player who is going to come in and you know he's going to
• 1:08:00
  be a starter in twenty twenty three, and Brandon being kind of set as
• 1:08:02
  much and then walked it back a little bit. But let's talk about Dorian
• 1:08:05
  Williams from a skill set perspective. So first thing, you know, when
• 1:08:11
  we talk about the past coverage piece, so he is a fast player.
• 1:08:15
  Let me pull up my I really should have like my measurables time from a
• 1:08:21
  better perspective in terms of where my notes are at. I'm pretty sure he
• 1:08:26
  runs a four four nine forty time, and I'm correct he does run a
• 1:08:30
  four to four nine, So fast linebacker rangey, athletic ran a four four
• 1:08:35
  nine and the forty. You see that on tape. You see the athleticism,
• 1:08:38
  you see the range, You see the speed, both the long speed
• 1:08:41
  and the burst. You see that. I've heard him talked a lot about
• 1:08:45
  in coverage by Bills fans who either watched highlights or watched highlights in coverage.
• 1:08:51
  The biggest piece with him, and I'm going to bring up a quote from
• 1:08:54
  Brandon being in a bit to kind of drive him home further. The biggest
• 1:08:57
  thing with his coverage at two lane is is coverage wasn't necessarily bad, but
• 1:09:00
  it was very simple. It was very simplistic. A lot of his coverage
• 1:09:03
  responsibilities were basic spot drop zone coverages where he was dropping to a landmark and
• 1:09:11
  dropping to a spot more than he was reading what was going on. And
• 1:09:14
  most of the time he was just dropping to the hook curls, or he
• 1:09:15
  was dropping to the flats and cover three. So it was it was more
• 1:09:19
  basic or simplistic zone coverage responsibility. You would see him man up against tight
• 1:09:26
  ends or running back, so he has that man mirrorability versus tight ends and
• 1:09:30
  running backs. You also see him line up at edge a little bit.
• 1:09:32
  You will see him rush off the edge. You'll see him run some stunts
• 1:09:36
  and loop a little bit or blitch from the second level. He doesn't have
• 1:09:41
  pass rush moves or pass rush plan He's mainly just a speed to power guy
• 1:09:44
  or a guy who's trying to get around the arc. My concerns with him,
• 1:09:48
  I do think he struggles the time to shed blocks or and or like
• 1:09:53
  slipping blocks or getting off them early enough or efficiently, especially with his arm
• 1:09:58
  length, which is a big, big, big plus piece for him.
• 1:10:02
  His arm length comes in at where are we thirty three and three quarters inch
• 1:10:09
  arms? Which is ridiculous legitimately for a linebacker, that's kind of close to
• 1:10:15
  like thee hundred percentile. If you're looking at an inside linebacker spot outside linebacker
• 1:10:18
  spot which kind of includes edges at times, it's still like into the eightieth
• 1:10:23
  eighty fifth percentile. So with his long arms and his athleticism and his speed,
• 1:10:29
  I would like to see him shed blocks better or or at least stay
• 1:10:32
  clean more or slip blocks. Not everybody's going to be a stack and shed
• 1:10:35
  guy, even with his long arms. So you don't have to have an
• 1:10:39
  offensive lineman coming to the second level and you stack them and read and shed.
• 1:10:43
  But you will see him slip blocks from time to time. When I
• 1:10:45
  say slip box, I literally mean like he just kind of like dips underneath
• 1:10:47
  and avoids the block and make a play. That and stacking and shedding doesn't
• 1:10:53
  happen the majority of the time. He'll get you know, occupied, he'll
• 1:10:56
  let guys get into his body, he'll get driven five six, seven yards
• 1:11:00
  down field. I want to see him lean more into his athleticism, his
• 1:11:03
  speed, his burst, his quick trigger. I want to see more of
• 1:11:08
  that from him and just really get him to lean into that explosion and that
• 1:11:12
  athleticism, whether in close quarters or out in space. I do think he
• 1:11:16
  can get lost in coverage at times. His eyes will mislead him, you
• 1:11:21
  know, he'll kind of go with whatever he's seeing in front of him instead
• 1:11:26
  of again reading out the route distribution where he's dropping and kind of reading and
• 1:11:29
  aware as to what's happening. I think that can get better with NFL coaching
• 1:11:33
  and coaching up his processing a bit because right now his processing overall in the
• 1:11:38
  past and against the run is a bit slow. He's slower with his processing
• 1:11:42
  and his diagnosing. Now that's kind of mitigated a bit because he does have
• 1:11:47
  burst and speed. He can be a bit slow to process or be a
• 1:11:53
  bit slow to diagnose because he has the speed to get there. It's similar
• 1:11:57
  to you know, a quarterback with a really strong arm, like he doesn't
• 1:12:00
  necessarily have to throw with tremendous anticipation. He can be late to a throw
• 1:12:04
  a little bit because he's got a rocket for an arm and he can fit
• 1:12:08
  the throw in regardless. That's a little bit what Dory like what Dorian Williams
• 1:12:12
  has going on. But overall, I was again a little frustrated with the
• 1:12:16
  pick initially, but I've come around more to it, just not necessarily because
• 1:12:24
  I watched more tape, but I just kind of circled back and came through.
• 1:12:29
  And I think a lot of it, for me, is going to
• 1:12:31
  tie into what version of the Bill's defense we see. I don't think the
• 1:12:39
  linebacker role, that middle linebacker role that we've seen Tremaine Edmonds occupy, I
• 1:12:45
  don't think that role is going to have the same responsibilities in twenty twenty three,
• 1:12:49
  not just because Tremaine Edmonds isn't there, but I think with Sean McDermott
• 1:12:54
  being the trigger man for that defense, I think you're going to see more
• 1:12:59
  multiple plicity, more of an attack minded, gap shooting, disguised front,
• 1:13:04
  who's coming from where, who's got what responsibility? What the hell is going
• 1:13:09
  on? More of that from the defense, And so maybe you don't need
• 1:13:13
  a linebacker like Tremaine Edmonds who can match slot receivers and tight ends and carry
• 1:13:17
  him vertically downfield. I did see two reps of that from Dorian Williams,
• 1:13:21
  and it wasn't terrible. Again, he's got the speed and athleticism to carry
• 1:13:25
  guys downfield. I think if he gets better with his processing and his diagnosing,
• 1:13:30
  he has the potential to match and carry guys vertically or what would be
• 1:13:33
  that wall defender. His ball skills do need to improve a little bit at
• 1:13:38
  the catchpoint, you know, both in terms of him turning and locating the
• 1:13:41
  football and then making an actual play on the football. But he's got a
• 1:13:45
  lot of traits and tools that you like. Again, the speed, the
• 1:13:48
  range, the arm length. It's nice to see. He's got to get
• 1:13:53
  better shedding blocks or slipping blocks in the box. He needs to get better
• 1:13:56
  with his processing, and the defense that he came from again wasn't the most
• 1:14:00
  complicated. It was more simple compared to what the Bills had. Again,
• 1:14:04
  most of his coverage reps of two lane where basic spot drop zone into the
• 1:14:08
  hook, curls or flats or man responsibilities versus tight ends and running backs,
• 1:14:13
  which speaks to Brandon Bean's initial comments about him, which I'm going to read
• 1:14:15
  in a minute. He had a few reps where he matched tight ends in
• 1:14:19
  zone vertically and carried them downfield, which is most likely what he'll have to
• 1:14:25
  do more of in Buffalo. How he adjust to pro coverages both in terms
• 1:14:29
  of responsibility and awareness and processing along with regularly shedding and or slipping blocks and
• 1:14:34
  processing versus the run will be his biggest adjustments. His speed, range,
• 1:14:39
  burst, and good arm length give him some fun tools to work with,
• 1:14:43
  so while he does need development, he's not completely unarmed in the fight.
• 1:14:46
  What was interesting his Brandon Bean had some quotes on him, especially the day
• 1:14:51
  of Dorry Williams being picked, and Brandon Bean's initial quote on Dorriyan Williams was
• 1:14:56
  quote, will start him outside and we'll see. We try to make these
• 1:15:00
  guys somewhat interchangeable. This is going to be a much more complex system.
• 1:15:04
  Some of these guys come from a more complex system. I would say this
• 1:15:08
  is a simpler system that he's coming from, just what we know about him
• 1:15:12
  in the time that we spent with him. Mentally, it will take him
• 1:15:15
  from a football foundation a little bit more in our defense, it's not as
• 1:15:21
  complex talking about where he's coming from a tulane. It's not as complex as
• 1:15:26
  what he's going to have here. So we'll start him at a spot.
• 1:15:29
  Not going to say he could never be a duel guy. I would think
• 1:15:31
  year one we wouldn't do much of a duel with him now. Brandon Bean
• 1:15:36
  backtracked a little bit the following day. The quotes are kind of all over
• 1:15:41
  the place in terms of what he said initially and that what he said the
• 1:15:44
  second day. I also think what he said initially makes a lot of sense.
• 1:15:47
  It's smart to undersell on any rookie, especially one that's filling an important
• 1:15:51
  role or a high profile role like he potentially could be in filling in for
• 1:15:57
  tremade Edmunds, who left to become one of the highest paid linebackers in NFL
• 1:16:00
  history. Also, when Dorny Williams was an interviewed, Dorny and Williams said,
• 1:16:04
  Sean McDermott told him that he was going to learn both the Mike and
• 1:16:09
  the will Also of note from Brandon bean on that day three piece. Actually,
• 1:16:15
  I'm getting ahead of myself a minute, so again, being initially said,
• 1:16:17
  you know, we're gonna stop him outside meaning not at Mike. They
• 1:16:21
  want guys to be interchangeable. They're why they want their linebackers to know both.
• 1:16:25
  But because he was coming from more of a simpler system, he didn't
• 1:16:28
  think he'd be much of a dual responsibility guy in year one backed off that
• 1:16:32
  a little bit. I think because he started to see some of the backlash
• 1:16:35
  yer comments or uproar of fans saying like, oh, another developmental guy and
• 1:16:39
  special teams guy. What the hell blah blah blah, can't can't play in
• 1:16:42
  the middle. Why do we take him? Blah blah blah all that,
• 1:16:44
  and then Dorry Williams saying Sean McDermott told him to learn Mike and will I
• 1:16:48
  think he's a developmental Mike. I don't think. I don't think he's gonna
• 1:16:56
  be the Mike in twenty twenty three. I don't. I mean he could
• 1:16:59
  be what. I'd completely shocked if he won out and was a starter alongside
• 1:17:01
  Matt Milano in twenty twenty three, not necessarily. I think if he is,
• 1:17:06
  it's because the defense is going undergoing more of a schematic or philosophical shift.
• 1:17:11
  I think the long term he could be a starter. I think Dorney
• 1:17:14
  and Williams is timeline, and I don't know how frustrated this is going to
• 1:17:16
  make fans. I don't think his timeline is as twenty twenty three based as
• 1:17:21
  it is for Dalton Kincaid and even Osirius Torns. I think the Dorney and
• 1:17:26
  Williams pick is more for twenty twenty four and beyond or again unless they're kind
• 1:17:31
  of tweaking some things philosophically or schematically from a defensive standpoint, the dude is
• 1:17:36
  a good comment here from U. C. Rose and somebody else said it
• 1:17:40
  earlier. Too many comments coming in, Rose says c ro says, Dorney
• 1:17:45
  Williams was a captain in college. He has a great attitude, and I
• 1:17:46
  think he will show people what he brings to the table. He's gonna work
• 1:17:49
  hard. I forget who said it earlier too. I think maybe Morning Mayan
• 1:17:53
  said it that he was a captain. Yeah, he's a leader. The
• 1:17:55
  Bills love these culture guys, and he is a culture guy, team leader,
• 1:17:59
  captain guy who sets the tone. So we'll see. And the biggest
• 1:18:03
  variable for all of it, with the linebacker position and the defense as a
• 1:18:06
  whole, really is going to be what type of schematic shift or tweak or
• 1:18:13
  adjustment do we see if we start to see more of Sean McDermott's Carolina defense.
• 1:18:17
  I think anybody could start a linebacker. I think it could be Dorrian
• 1:18:19
  Williams. I think it could be Terrell Bernard. I think it could be
• 1:18:21
  a J Klein. Maybe you know, Tyrell Dodson or Baylen Spector has a
• 1:18:26
  shot at it. My initial thoughts before they picked Dorian Williams was and even
• 1:18:31
  though I don't like this approach because I don't like siloed rolls, my initial
• 1:18:35
  thought was AJ Klein would be the you know, early down mike or linebacker,
• 1:18:41
  and then Taylor rap would be the dime linebacker. That's a huge variable
• 1:18:45
  too. I think Taylor Rapp is going to be the third down or passing
• 1:18:47
  down linebacker with Matt Milano and or the backup Nickel. I've been saying that
• 1:18:51
  for maybe a month now, and just Taylor Rapp's approven Dude, I know
• 1:18:57
  we came here on a small contract and maybe the market wasn't rate for him.
• 1:19:00
  I just don't see him coming to the Bills without the opportunity to play
• 1:19:04
  a decent amount of snaps or have some defined role or maybe some kind of
• 1:19:10
  hey, we want to keep you around here because maybe Michael Hide is not
• 1:19:14
  coming back and maybe you're going to be the starter next year or some kind
• 1:19:15
  of something. But from a twenty twenty three standpoint, I think Taylor Rapp
• 1:19:19
  is going to have a role on this team, and knock on Wood,
• 1:19:21
  barring injury, it's not going to be at safety. He played dime linebacker
• 1:19:26
  in the Super Bowl and nickel in the Super Bowl against the Cincinnati Bengals,
• 1:19:30
  and he worked out pretty well at that spot. I think it fits given
• 1:19:33
  how the Bills linebackers look right now. So that's another, you know,
• 1:19:38
  wrench to kind of throw into the mix. Who are you taking off the
• 1:19:42
  field on third down. It's not gonna be Tarren Johnson, It's not gonna
• 1:19:45
  be Matt Milano. It's not going to be Hide or Poyer. It's going
• 1:19:47
  to be whoever that other linebacker is. So I think that throws into a
• 1:19:51
  wrench. That throws a wrench into the process a little bit in terms of
• 1:19:56
  Dory Williams's timeline, and then you have to match him up with what is
• 1:20:00
  year two Terrell Bernard looked like this is a guy who came highly recommended from
• 1:20:03
  Dave Randa at Baylor, one of the most respected defensive minds in football,
• 1:20:06
  and somebody who Sean McDermott has a real affinity for. Bernard has the coverage
• 1:20:12
  shops in terms of the match coverage capability. Terrell Bernard's also a very good
• 1:20:15
  blitzer, a very good heat seeking missile coming forward who fits kind of more
• 1:20:18
  of that Carolina attack minded mode. Maybe he's getting overlooked and underestimated a little
• 1:20:25
  bit. We'll see what year two Terrell Bernard looks like. I'm not banking
• 1:20:29
  on Dorrian Williams starting in twenty twenty three. I don't think his timeline is
• 1:20:32
  necessarily twenty twenty three focus. I think he's more developmental, which again I
• 1:20:36
  think people don't love because you want reinforcements for twenty twenty three. Everybody's in
• 1:20:42
  win now mode and everybody wants to get better now and attack now and win
• 1:20:45
  now long term. I think this could be a really good pick. I'm
• 1:20:49
  still not the highest on it right now. How I feel about it,
• 1:20:54
  and I said this with grag and I've said it on a Twitter and a
• 1:20:56
  couple shows how excited or how good I feel about this pick just be tied
• 1:21:00
  to how Dory Williams does. It'll be tied to how you know the other
• 1:21:03
  guys I wanted at that spot too. If Wanya Morris turns out to be
• 1:21:06
  an awesome right tack over the Chiefs. I'm going to be pissed If siaki
• 1:21:12
  Eka turns out to be a sweet interior defender for the Cleveland Browns, I'm
• 1:21:15
  going to be pissed. Also, what's interesting Brandon Bean said when he talked
• 1:21:20
  about the Dorny Williams pick. He said, quote, it was getting close
• 1:21:25
  to where it could have been offense too, but offense was taken a certain
• 1:21:30
  number of picks before, and I don't remember, but by the time it
• 1:21:33
  was on the clock, he was the highest guy on the board. So
• 1:21:38
  Brandon being said that they were getting close at that pick ninety one where it
• 1:21:42
  could have been an offensive player that they went with instead of Dorry and Williams.
• 1:21:45
  What's interesting to note, kind of like a fun fact, there are
• 1:21:46
  only three offensive players taken in the ten picks before the Bills took Dorian Williams
• 1:21:51
  at ninety one, running back Taj Spears at eighty one, running back Devin
• 1:21:56
  a Chain at pick eighty four, running back Tank Bigsby at pick eighty eight.
• 1:22:00
  Also, unc wide receiver Josh Downs was taken at seventy nine, and
• 1:22:04
  tight end Tucker Craft was taken at seventy eight. I don't know if they
• 1:22:08
  would have doubled dipped at tight end. I don't know if they would have
• 1:22:11
  doubled dipped in the offensive weaponry standpoint and gone with Josh Downs. Maybe they
• 1:22:14
  wanted one of those running backs. But those were the only five offensive players
• 1:22:19
  taken in the twelve picks before Dorry and Williams went, and then the players
• 1:22:23
  at seventy seven and seventy six before Tucker Craft were also defense. There was
• 1:22:27
  more defense in the seventies, So I thought that was again, that's not
• 1:22:30
  completely Dorry Williams related, but I thought it was an interesting nugget where Bean
• 1:22:33
  said like it was getting close at ninety one to where it could have been
• 1:22:36
  an offensive player taken two, but again and he started to like say it
• 1:22:42
  a certain number of picks before it was like he was going to say the
• 1:22:45
  guy or guys we wanted got taken, but then he backed off and it
• 1:22:47
  was like, oh, I don't remember, but you know, by the
• 1:22:49
  time we got the ninety one, Dorry and Williams the highest guy. Maybe
• 1:22:53
  the Bills would have taken another running back. Maybe it was gonna be Josh
• 1:22:56
  Downs, maybe it was Tucker Craft, but it seemed like it was gonna
• 1:22:58
  be one of those five guys with running back, coming closer to the actual
• 1:23:01
  Bills pick, which I thought. It's very interesting, Taylor says, Being
• 1:23:06
  said, Williams is exactly what we want at linebacker. So there's that that's
• 1:23:11
  fair, But I also don't like Being's not going to come out and say
• 1:23:15
  the opposite, Like he's not going to come out and be like, you
• 1:23:16
  know, he doesn't fit anything we like, he doesn't fit anything we do.
• 1:23:20
  He's the wrong archetype or the wrong mindset or the wrong athleticism, Like
• 1:23:25
  he's not going to say That's similar with usually when GM's come to the podium
• 1:23:30
  and they're like, oh, you know, you picked Timmy in round one,
• 1:23:31
  how do you feel, It's like, oh, Timmy was the guy
• 1:23:34
  we wanted, we're pumped for all we know, there were two other guys
• 1:23:38
  that they wanted, and those two guys got taken and they got stuck with
• 1:23:40
  Timmy. So I think it's fair that Being said that. But Being also
• 1:23:44
  again like I read like Being had some interesting comments the first day and it
• 1:23:46
  kind of walked him back a little bit and said some other things. So
• 1:23:49
  I don't know if he was trying to do damage control or kind of course
• 1:23:53
  correct for some things, or that's really how he feels. But even with
• 1:23:56
  that of him saying Williams is exactly what we wanted linebacker very well. Maybe
• 1:23:59
  true, but I just don't see him saying the opposite, So I don't
• 1:24:00
  put too much stock in you know, him saying that. Ak Cash,
• 1:24:05
  thank you very much for being here. Thank you for another comment. You've
• 1:24:08
  been coming in a lot of this episode. I appreciate you, and thank
• 1:24:10
  you very much. Of the super chat. Ak Cash says, maybe Milano's
• 1:24:13
  role in dime is the most important and they want insurance for that. It
• 1:24:16
  could be maybe they want Milano insurance. Milano's a physical guy. He's an
• 1:24:21
  intense, quick trigger kind of guy. So I don't think it hurts to
• 1:24:26
  have insurance from Matt Milano. That's also actually a good piece too that I
• 1:24:29
  don't think it's talked about enough right, Like, Matt Milano is going to
• 1:24:31
  be hugely important to this Bills defense. He needs to stay healthy. They
• 1:24:34
  need to protect him. But if he does go down again, knock on
• 1:24:38
  wood and God forbid, you have somebody like a trowel Bernard or maybe a
• 1:24:41
  Dorian Williams who can replace him, and you have different tools and skill sets
• 1:24:45
  and traits that you can lean into as you try to kind of mitigate a
• 1:24:48
  loss like that. So I mean, Matt Milano, regardless whether it's in
• 1:24:51
  dime or any personnel package, group, whatever, he's going to be tremendously
• 1:24:57
  important to this Bills defense this year. Dude as an All Pro last year.
• 1:25:00
  He's going to be super super super super super important to this Bill's defense.
• 1:25:05
  So we'll see yeah again. Overall, Dorry Williams has some fun trades
• 1:25:10
  to lean into. Like most third round picks, they usually have to be
• 1:25:14
  coached up in some way, shape or form. The biggest things for me
• 1:25:17
  are, you know, how he adjusts to pro coverages, match coverages,
• 1:25:21
  more reading and recognizing, more coverages where he has to read route distributions and
• 1:25:27
  process on the fly instead of just you know, I'm dropping to my landmark
• 1:25:31
  spot no matter what. Let me just backpedal and look at the quarterback and
• 1:25:34
  then kind of see what I got going on. How does he adjust to
• 1:25:38
  more complex systems again stuff that Brandon Bean said. He comes from a simpler
• 1:25:42
  system. The Bills system is more complex. They're going to have to see
• 1:25:45
  how we adjust to that. So that's the big one for me, how
• 1:25:47
  we adjusts and picks up more pro style NFL coverages and more complex coverage systems
• 1:25:54
  and schemes. And then also how he improves his block shedding and or block
• 1:25:58
  slipping. Again, it doesn't have to just be stacking and shedding getting physical.
• 1:26:02
  It can beat Fred Warner does this all the time. You'll see Fred
• 1:26:04
  Warner kind of juke offensive lineman or beat them to a spot by slipping underneath
• 1:26:10
  them or getting around them and kind of fitting in the hole that way.
• 1:26:12
  So how does he adjust in that way and improve I do, I do
• 1:26:16
  think that area needs improvement, you know, his ability to just get off
• 1:26:20
  blocks efficiently or quickly, and that ability to kind of stay clean in the
• 1:26:26
  box and in the interior. So we'll see what happens. But overall,
• 1:26:30
  I think, you know, going to that well at linebacker again back to
• 1:26:33
  back years, you know, with some sort of positional redundancy when other positional
• 1:26:38
  needs or higher ranked players may you perceived higher ranked players may have been on
• 1:26:42
  the board. I get the understanding from a frustration standpoint, understand that and
• 1:26:46
  I share some of those sentiments. But Williams has some fun traits and some
• 1:26:50
  cool skill set pieces. I still don't love this pick. We'll see what
• 1:26:57
  happens. Again, I'm holding out hope. I think you know the Bills
• 1:27:01
  have and Sean McDermot as a strong track record of developing linebackers, are kind
• 1:27:04
  of leaning in to those skill set pieces. And again, I think with
• 1:27:09
  a certain philosophical change or schematic shift defensively, that could potentially open up Williams's
• 1:27:15
  opportunity to see some snaps and improve and get better and kind of be more
• 1:27:19
  in a system that's tailored to his skill set. So we'll see. I
• 1:27:23
  don't think I think this one is very I understand both sides. If you
• 1:27:28
  hate this pick, I get it. If you love this pick and you
• 1:27:30
  want to buy the stocks and send it to the moon, I get that
• 1:27:32
  as well. For me, I still don't love it. I question kind
• 1:27:35
  of the positional need and value given what else was on the board positionally and
• 1:27:40
  player wise. I don't hate the player. I don't love the player.
• 1:27:44
  I don't love the pick. I'm very mad overall. I can see the
• 1:27:46
  upside though, and I can see the long term plan. Would see if
• 1:27:50
  he hits it or not again. At the end of the day, you
• 1:27:54
  could do worse than getting a really fast, rangy, athletic, twitched up
• 1:27:58
  linebacker with long arm like. You could do worse than that. So we'll
• 1:28:02
  see what happens. Now, let's move on to the Day three guys.
• 1:28:05
  Justin Shorter wide receiver from Florida, Nick Broker, guard from Ole, miss
• 1:28:11
  and Alex Austin cornerback from oh Ohio State Oregon State. I should say those
• 1:28:16
  are your Day three picks. We're gonna run through those now. Shorter,
• 1:28:23
  I think is real interesting, you know, just the dynamic that he brings
• 1:28:28
  to this Bill's offense from a height plus weight plus speed standpoint. So six
• 1:28:32
  foot four two and twenty nine pounds runs a four to five five. Now
• 1:28:36
  you may see that and be like, well he only runs a four to
• 1:28:39
  five five. That's not very fast. Yeah, but at six foot four
• 1:28:42
  with long legs like that is fast. He's got ex receiver potential and he
• 1:28:46
  adds a dynamic being also mentioned it today or the day before, I don't
• 1:28:50
  remember that. Again, he adds a dynamic to the room that they didn't
• 1:28:55
  currently have. The Bills don't have a lot of size at wide receiver.
• 1:28:59
  You have Gay Davis, but other than Gabe Davis, the receivers are Stefan
• 1:29:02
  Diggs and Deontay Hardy. And you've got tren Scherfield, who was about six
• 1:29:05
  one, but he's not necessarily one of the core wide receivers on this team.
• 1:29:11
  He's a player on a one year deal. You've got Kalioshakir, who's
• 1:29:13
  on the smaller side. You don't really have these bigger bodied, size frame
• 1:29:17
  ball winners physical at the top of the route guys like Justin Shorter. He's
• 1:29:24
  more of a vertical route guy, you know, literally like nines. You
• 1:29:28
  know vertical routes, posts, post corners, and you know blaze outs and
• 1:29:34
  you know hooks and hitches. But he's the guy who again runs a four
• 1:29:38
  or five five. Because of his size and his gate, he can get
• 1:29:40
  downfield in a hurry. He can beat guys straight line down field, and
• 1:29:44
  because of the size and frame, if you want to get physical with him.
• 1:29:45
  I posted a clip of it a couple days ago. I think he
• 1:29:50
  gets ten see maybe yeah, Tennessee where the corner just kind of gets physical
• 1:29:58
  with him. In the stem. Shorter runs like a nine yard hitch and
• 1:30:00
  he gets to the top of a round and literally just like chucks the receiver
• 1:30:03
  off him, turns, catches the ball, turns up field, breaks a
• 1:30:05
  tackle, kind of carries two guys for a couple of more yards. Again,
• 1:30:10
  it's a dynamic that Bills don't have. The Bills don't have a ton
• 1:30:12
  of size. And not only does he have size. At six foot four,
• 1:30:15
  he's two hundred and twenty nine pounds. He's a big dude, and
• 1:30:16
  he runs fast at four at a four or five five. He's also gonna
• 1:30:20
  be a good special teams guy. He's a high character guy. Brandon being
• 1:30:24
  talked about him being a guy that could earn a jersey and being a four
• 1:30:27
  phase special teams guy. So we'll see what happens for him and for a
• 1:30:30
  wide receiver group that you know, I think Gabe Davis gets resigned, but
• 1:30:38
  I don't know. Maybe Gabe Davis balls out this year. And the wide
• 1:30:41
  receiver market can be fickle. I mean, we saw it come back to
• 1:30:43
  earth a little bit this offseason, which Kobe Myers and Juju, but I
• 1:30:46
  mean last year with what Christian Kirkinz Jones got was wild. So for all
• 1:30:50
  we know, Gabe Davis could price himself out of Buffalo this offseason. Maybe
• 1:30:56
  justin Shorter gives you some Gabe Davis insurance with the type of routes that he
• 1:31:00
  runs currently and plus the size and frame and speed, get him into the
• 1:31:03
  system a year, you know, a year early, coach him up,
• 1:31:05
  expand his route tree, expand some of the technical pieces of his game.
• 1:31:10
  I do think you know he's not he's I don't think he's ever going to
• 1:31:13
  be the most sudden or decisive route runner just because he is taller, bigger,
• 1:31:15
  and long legged. I don't think his frame lends itself to being you
• 1:31:20
  know, a sharp cutter or person who would only like him go full speed
• 1:31:25
  and just two steps and pop out like I don't think he's ever gonna be
• 1:31:28
  running routes like Garrett Wilson or something like that. But again, you can
• 1:31:31
  do different pieces with him, and I do like the upside again similar to
• 1:31:38
  the Dory Williams pick, Like you could do a lot worse at wide receiver
• 1:31:41
  than taking a tall, big, fast, physical wide receiver. And then
• 1:31:45
  if you believe in your team to kind of coach him up and improve the
• 1:31:48
  technical aspects, you could have something on your hands. I'm excited to see
• 1:31:51
  him in camp and in the preseason, just see with that physicality again,
• 1:31:57
  like he's got some expotential and he's got the speeds, eyes, frame would
• 1:32:00
  be very interesting. Nick Broger guard from Ole Miss's He was primarily a left
• 1:32:06
  tackle at ole Miss the past couple of years until he was moved to left
• 1:32:11
  guard this past season. He doesn't have the arm length or the aleticism to
• 1:32:15
  be a tackle really in college, but he but especially at the NFL.
• 1:32:18
  But it's nice to have someone on the team who has that versatility and that
• 1:32:21
  experience. He plays with intelligence, he plays with technique. He had better
• 1:32:27
  foot speed and movement then I thought he would. I don't think he's the
• 1:32:30
  most athletic and the most fleet of foot, but he moved better than I
• 1:32:32
  thought he would on tape. He stays centered on contact. He's technical,
• 1:32:38
  he's smart, he's responsible. He's got some people movement ability to him.
• 1:32:42
  He's got the ability to get under guys and drive a little bit. Overall,
• 1:32:45
  he's not the most powerful, he's not the most athletic. You know,
• 1:32:48
  he's not some physical marvel in size frame, strength, speed, athleticism,
• 1:32:53
  but he's smart, he's heady, he's experienced, he's technical. I'm
• 1:32:57
  interested to see what happens with him, especial because they added him again to
• 1:33:00
  a guard group that now has Connor McGovern, Ryan Bates, David Edwards,
• 1:33:05
  o Cyrus Torrance, and Ike Butker. And there were also rumors that Tommy
• 1:33:10
  Doyle was going to move to guard before the draft, so it's interesting to
• 1:33:15
  see where he fits. He's just a practice squad guy. Maybe he has
• 1:33:17
  a chance to beat somebody out for depth. I do think it's gonna be
• 1:33:20
  tough for him to crack the final roster given what's ahead of him again,
• 1:33:27
  McGovern, Bates, David Edwards, Torrance, Butker, those are five guys
• 1:33:31
  that I do think would be hard for him to beat out. But you
• 1:33:34
  never know. Again, smart, technical, very experienced. You could do
• 1:33:39
  a lot worse than that, especially where they got him very late on day
• 1:33:42
  three. And then Alex Austin cornerback from Oregon State. I haven't fully watched
• 1:33:46
  his tape yet. I went to get to it and I went down some
• 1:33:49
  other rabbit holes I'm going to talk about in a minute. I said this
• 1:33:53
  on the Immediate Reaction Show with Greg I'm just gonna say it again now,
• 1:33:55
  I trust Sean McDermott with late round dbs, so I'm encouraged and interested anytime
• 1:34:00
  the Bills take a late round dB. I mean again, even if you
• 1:34:04
  don't have the highest view of a lot of the guys, I'm about the
• 1:34:06
  name. The fact that they took a seventh round corner in Dane Jackson and
• 1:34:11
  made him a corner three or a low end two is a success. The
• 1:34:15
  fact that they took an undrafted free agent and Levi Wallace and made him a
• 1:34:18
  low end corner two to the point that he got a free agent deal and
• 1:34:21
  started on another team with the Steelers is a success. They took a fourth
• 1:34:26
  round corner in tarn Johnson and turned him in one of the best slock corners
• 1:34:30
  in the entire NFL. They took Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer who were kind
• 1:34:32
  of afterthoughts and free agency, and turned them both into all pro safeties.
• 1:34:36
  They took tomar Hamlin from the sixth round and made him, you know,
• 1:34:41
  a number three safety, potentially number two safety. They've had success with late
• 1:34:46
  day three dbs, late round dbs, undrafted dbs, so anytime they take
• 1:34:51
  one, I'm interested. And encouraged. Oh, Jeffrey says Austin. The
• 1:35:00
  Austin pick is the sleeper in two years. He's starting BECAUSELL loved him.
• 1:35:03
  We'll see again. Even I also forgot Christian Benford, who was a six
• 1:35:08
  round pick last year, who maybe moving to safety. We'll see what happens
• 1:35:12
  there. I liked Christian Benford last year more than I liked Kyer Elam,
• 1:35:15
  and I don't even think that's a knock against kyer Relam. I think that's
• 1:35:19
  a feather in the cap to Benford, and a feather in the cap of
• 1:35:21
  the coaching staff that they took a sixth round corner from Villanova and turned him
• 1:35:27
  into starting caliber in one offseason, to the point that he was holding his
• 1:35:30
  own against Tyree Hill and Jalen Waddle and those dudes in Miami before he got
• 1:35:33
  hurt. He was the starter early on in that year, Week one,
• 1:35:36
  week two, Week three. So just Sean McDermott has a golden touch.
• 1:35:42
  It seems knock on wood when it comes to dbs in Buffalo. He had
• 1:35:45
  a similar touch in Carolina, similar touch in Philadelphia. Will continue to see
• 1:35:49
  what happens for him. Another one I wanted to talk about I posted a
• 1:35:54
  bunch of clips of his on Twitter. DJ Dale, the defensive tackle from
• 1:35:58
  Alabama, six one, three hundred and two pounds. He was an undrafted
• 1:36:01
  free agent, signing by the Bills on Saturday night once the draft ended.
• 1:36:08
  Only only a couple of games eight. I want to watch more, but
• 1:36:10
  I'm encouraged so far, especially for an undrafted free agent. He makes life
• 1:36:14
  hard on offensive lineman. He gumes up the works. He can two gap
• 1:36:17
  effectively, but he can also give you some penetration. He can sink and
• 1:36:21
  hold at the point of attack versus double teams. I think in the NFL
• 1:36:25
  he's either you know, you're going to look for him to be on the
• 1:36:28
  interior, whether it's a one tech or him playing on the you know,
• 1:36:30
  a center shade or a zero tech. He's very limited in terms of pass
• 1:36:34
  rush moves. He does have a quick arm over um, a push pull,
• 1:36:38
  and he can you know, drive through and rip on like a run
• 1:36:41
  stunt or a slant or a spike. He's got enough agility for run stunts
• 1:36:45
  and you know rip throughs. But he's not the most fleet of foot.
• 1:36:48
  He's not an athletic marble. I don't think He's overly strong. He just
• 1:36:51
  grinds and he leans on guys, and he makes life tough for offensive lineman.
• 1:36:58
  And similar to what I said for Shorter and similar to what I said
• 1:37:00
  for Dorrian Williams, I think you could do worse than getting a defensive lineman
• 1:37:04
  from Alabama as an undrafted free agent at a position grouping that you need more
• 1:37:09
  interior, more help on the interior defensive line for the Buffalo Bills. I
• 1:37:13
  am very excited about the Puna Ford pick. I'm gonna be diving into his
• 1:37:16
  tape. I think tonight after I finished this episode and posted and everything with
• 1:37:20
  prepping for the episode, and I had some other things tonight going on in
• 1:37:25
  the real world that kind of prevented me from diving into the tape. But
• 1:37:28
  I will be posting Punaford clips and some breakdowns on the old Twitter machine,
• 1:37:31
  maybe something on YouTube going forward in the next couple of days. I am
• 1:37:34
  encouraged for the interior defensive line between Dale and Punaford. I still think Dale's
• 1:37:40
  gonna have an uphill battle. Can he beat out Brandon Bryan and elianku Ford.
• 1:37:45
  As Pop says, Ford is a great pick up, he really is
• 1:37:48
  again I don't dislike Jordan Phillips. I just don't think Jordan Phillips can play
• 1:37:54
  a full seventeen game season. And then Tim Settle, whether it was because
• 1:37:57
  of injury or not, he really fizzled and disappeared down the stretch last year.
• 1:38:00
  And I just didn't think there was any way you could go into the
• 1:38:04
  regular season with your top four defensive tackles being day Kuon Jones, at Oliver,
• 1:38:09
  Jordan Phillips, and Tim Settle. I think Poona Ford slots in is
• 1:38:12
  a pretty reliable number three, just based off of my initial thoughts and some
• 1:38:20
  pieces from different people. One piece I wanted to bring up I reached out
• 1:38:27
  to. His Twitter handle is at Sea Mike spin Move. He's a dude
• 1:38:32
  who um does a lot of work for the Seahawks. I forget the name
• 1:38:35
  of the Seahawks podcast, but he does a lot of good work and knows
• 1:38:39
  the exes and knows of football. I asked him about four just to get
• 1:38:43
  some early, you know, return on some analysis, and he said he
• 1:38:45
  can really play anything in base and he has to be honest, in a
• 1:38:49
  four to three he can play one tech or three tech. Um, he's
• 1:38:51
  played a two gapping zero tech in bear fronts as well. I asked him
• 1:38:58
  kind of you know how he would fit in nickel defense light boxes like the
• 1:39:00
  Bills run, and he said, hopefully he's playing a one gap power step
• 1:39:06
  one tech or a three tech instead of being like a quasi two gapping you
• 1:39:11
  know, two Y or a heavy three tech. The ladder is something that
• 1:39:15
  Seattle switched up on him this past year in contrast of twenty twenty one when
• 1:39:19
  he was fine plus. So he said, yeah, more penetrative and let
• 1:39:24
  him get into the initial blocker more aggressively, which fits into the Bill's identity.
• 1:39:28
  We know they're one gap penetrating front. We'll see what he can offer.
• 1:39:30
  It's a nice piece. He's got some size, he's got some speed,
• 1:39:34
  got some athleticism. Again, I am going to be diving into the
• 1:39:36
  tape and posting a bunch on Twitter. So if you don't already follow me
• 1:39:40
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• 1:39:44
  I'm not just saying it as a plug for the Twitter, but I'm still
• 1:39:47
  gonna be breaking down those pieces. Pop says, what other free agent player
• 1:39:50
  would you still like to see the Bills sign. I'm gonna go at edge
• 1:39:56
  and I'm gonna say, hey, you know, give me Justin Houston,
• 1:39:58
  Give me Yannicking Gockway, give me Matt Ionitis, although he's more on the
• 1:40:03
  interior, but I would still take some interior help. Give me give me
• 1:40:08
  a proven edge rusher. I love what Justin Houston brings from an athleticism,
• 1:40:13
  physicality standpoint, and a leadership standpoint. I'd also take Melvin Ingram, who's
• 1:40:17
  given the Bills problems the past couple of years in Miami. In Kansas City,
• 1:40:20
  I need another proven adge Rusher. I think Von Miller misses the start
• 1:40:26
  of the season and doesn't really play until October or November, which means Greg
• 1:40:30
  Rousseau needs a dance partner because I don't think a J. E. Vanessa
• 1:40:33
  is built to be an edge two, and I don't think Boogie Basham is
• 1:40:36
  built to be an edge three. And even when von Miller comes back,
• 1:40:40
  I don't think Boogie Basham should be on the game day roster. So I
• 1:40:43
  think you need another edge. Give me a veteran presence. Give me somebody
• 1:40:46
  who knows pass rush plan and technique and moves, who has a proven track
• 1:40:51
  record in the NFL. I also, if there was some way to get
• 1:40:56
  get Jerry Us back, I'd take him. But I think that's a conversation
• 1:41:02
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  you did not think this show was awesome, tell your enemies and try and
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  ruin their day or night or week with the show, depending on how bad
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  you thought this show was. Thank you to all your folks in variety of
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  ways. I see some of the positive comments coming through and kind words.
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  I thank you very much for that. For those of you who didn't or
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  whose questions I didn't get to or comments I didn't get too, I apologize.
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  Leave them on the YouTube page on the comments page. I will circle
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  back and answer them on the YouTube page in the comments if you want to
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  do that, so I'll post the episode will be posted as soon as I
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  click end broadcast here. Go to the comments, ask your question or post
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  your comment, thought, questions, concern, whatever you got, I'll answer
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  it there. Or if you have me on Twitter, put me or follow
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  tweet at me, dm me, whatever you got. I always it's
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  super cool to have this platform and to have people that appreciate me or my
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  work and whatever way that you appreciate me or my work. So I try
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  to make sure I answer anything and everything that comes my way because I'm tremendously
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  grateful for your folks coming through and I see some more kind words, So
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  thank you very much for the kind words as well. I don't like to
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  pull them up because I think it's corny, but I notice them and they
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  sincerely mean a lot to me. I hope you all. I hope you
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  and your family and friends and loved ones are all doing well and staying safe.
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  Be kind to one another, take care of one another. The draft
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  is over. Time to wind down a little bit and get ready for Rookie
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  Mini Camp. And then OTAs will be around the corner, and then training
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  camp in preseason, and I'll have be covered here every single Tuesday night live
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  at nine pm here on disguise coverage. Myself, an air Turner, will
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  be live in the Cover one film room tomorrow night at seven pm breaking down
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  film with the new Bills draft picks. I was gonna do some film tonight,
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  but we're going to be put in the film for everybody into tomorrow's episode,
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  so that'll be there. I'll see you folks all next week live Tuesday
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  at nine pm Eastern. Godspeed and as always, go Bills