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Andrew Geddis: Otago University Law Professor on Mariameno Kapa Kingi's split from Te Pāti Māori · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Mariamino Kappa Kingi.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Tapati Mali MP now going to run
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  Speaker 2: essentially as an independent under the banner of Tita Tokodo.
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  Speaker 1: That's her elected up north.
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  Speaker 2: There are loose suggestions that she could have others joining her.
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  Speaker 2: She says she's open to calls from either side of
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  Speaker 2: the aisle this.
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  Speaker 3: Morning, despite political preference and party and so on. If
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  Speaker 3: you see a moment where people are genuine and I
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  Speaker 3: want to be genuine, you make the most of those moments.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew gettis is Otanga University law professor joins us this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew, good morning, great to have you on the program.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning, Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: So what does this mean for Parliament.
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  Speaker 4: At the moment? Nothing, Mona Minokapa Kinghi has I mean,
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  Speaker 4: technically she's still a Tippati Mari MP as a result
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  Speaker 4: of the High Court decision overturning her expulsion from the party.
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  Speaker 4: But she's basically been acting as an independent. She hasn't
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  Speaker 4: been caucusing with the Tapati Mari. She's been in an
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  Speaker 4: office sort of, not with the rest of the caucus.
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  Speaker 4: So at the minutes she'll remain in Parliament essentially as
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  Speaker 4: an independent, which is what she's been even though she's
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  Speaker 4: still under the Teparty mari label, and they're.
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  Speaker 1: Not going to walker jump her because it's too close
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  Speaker 1: to the election, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, first of all, they'd have to expel her
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  Speaker 4: from the party again, so they'd have to go through
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  Speaker 4: their internal constitutional processes, and as the High Court showed,
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  Speaker 4: their constitution is a mess and it's actually very hard
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  Speaker 4: for them to use their expulsion powers, so they'd have
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  Speaker 4: to do that first, and then they'd have to go
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  Speaker 4: through the walker jumping processes in Parliament, and by that
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  Speaker 4: time parliament's probably broken to the election anyway. So there's
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  Speaker 4: pretty much no point.
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  Speaker 2: There's a perverse sort of outcome to this, isn't there
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  Speaker 2: The Party Marii overhang benefits the left blank. If Labor
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  Speaker 2: sweeps up the Marty seats, some or all of them,
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  Speaker 2: that overhang doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, so there's two bits of that. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: there's if Labor wins all the Maori seats, then any
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  Speaker 4: votes that are cast for to Party mari or for
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  Speaker 4: this new Tote Grow Party or any other party within
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  Speaker 4: Mariy basically a wasted they just vote count, and that
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  Speaker 4: could be you know, two percent three percent, it could
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  Speaker 4: be enough for the close election to basically you know, switch.
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  Speaker 4: Then the other bet is that if to party Mari
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  Speaker 4: or another Maris party win the electorate seats with a
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  Speaker 4: very low party vote, those seats could become overhang seats,
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  Speaker 4: which increases the size of Parliament, which then increases the
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  Speaker 4: number of MPs you need for a majority. So there
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  Speaker 4: is this oddness that year Labor would love to get
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  Speaker 4: the Marti seats back, but if they do, that could
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  Speaker 4: sort of come at the cost of them having enough
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  Speaker 4: seats overall to be able to form government.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew get Us at Tagi University law professor with us
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  Speaker 2: this morning.
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