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Patriots Unfiltered 2/4: Super Bowl Week, NFL Draft Talk, Patriots vs. Chiefs Dynasties · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Wait, look at Ms Tannover here back from Guatemala.
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  Speaker 3: Who was there for two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I spent one thousand dollars two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't spend one thousand dollars. I think we need bugs.
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  Speaker 2: No God, the speech is okay.
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  Speaker 4: The speeches were fine.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know me, my name
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  Speaker 2: is Janelle.
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  Speaker 4: I was roommates with the bride in college.
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  Speaker 5: Just get real.
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  Speaker 6: Back back to my flag, grim mass thing.
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  Speaker 4: The quarterbacks coach who got fourteen good games out of
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  Speaker 4: Sam donold that that's the guy.
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  Speaker 6: That's the answer, that's what you would feel great about.
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  Speaker 4: You'd feel better about him.
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  Speaker 7: Which is just the unknown.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 6: But it's also the like anger the other.
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  Speaker 4: Point, which which I just I don't know if I'm
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm angry enough to get the
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  Speaker 4: Paul de Bate, You're angry.
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  Speaker 8: You shouldn't be somebody who has that much money and
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  Speaker 8: walking into a stadium wearing what she wears.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when she's on stage and you know, she
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  Speaker 2: looks like somebody that's a band major. I know, but
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  Speaker 2: like if she all of a sudden started dressing like shiz,
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  Speaker 2: who is it?
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  Speaker 4: I just have one question, if you can ask you
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  Speaker 4: one more question. Have you ever seen over the top?
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  Speaker 4: And is there a subculture of arm wrestling in the
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  Speaker 4: truck driving community.
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  Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium and Evan's back from Disney World.
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  Speaker 7: I mean the Senior Bowl basically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll talk about that. It's Deuce, it's Paul,
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  Speaker 2: it's me, it's Matt and Nabooth. You got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of NFL stuff to talk about, some Patriots stuff to
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  Speaker 2: talk about. We get the Pro Bowl. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about Drake May at the Pro Bowl. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't happy. Yeah, I don't want to talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of stuff going on. Obviously it's Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl week. They had media night last night down in
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  Speaker 2: New Orleans, and I think that's gotten less and less
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  Speaker 2: of an event, don't you think. Yeah, you know it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have the organic nature it used to have.
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  Speaker 4: Well because the Patriots aren't ever like.
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  Speaker 6: Me, not to take Evan's side of the street, but
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  Speaker 6: it's just got nothing to do with football.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was the fun of it for me. It
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  Speaker 2: was kind of the fun of it. Let's get all
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  Speaker 2: the silliness out of the way and then we'll get
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  Speaker 2: into football.
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  Speaker 4: It's so weird for it. I used to watch it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, probably because the Patriots weren't it but Tuesdays, right,
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  Speaker 4: it was like that Tuesday they didn't move it up
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  Speaker 4: a d I remember being so excited for that, and
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know why I was a crazy fan,
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  Speaker 4: But now that it's Monday nights, I don't even watch
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  Speaker 4: it anymore. Yeah, because it's not the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: I mean maybe I'm just jelly because I'm not down there,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but yeah, it just doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: have the excitement that it used to have.
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  Speaker 7: Well because the Chiefs are in it every single year.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 7: It's less that.
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  Speaker 2: I think the league is really try to make it
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  Speaker 2: more of a TV event, and that's the problem. This
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  Speaker 2: used to it used to happen a Tuesday in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the afternoon, yeah, right now it's a primetime
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  Speaker 2: event and it's kind of lost.
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  Speaker 6: It's no, I agree, it's it's not even as limited
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  Speaker 6: as it was. It's not even as good as that,
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  Speaker 6: I agree with you. And it's not just because we're not.
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  Speaker 2: There, right, that's part of it, though, it's a huge.
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  Speaker 6: Part of it.
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  Speaker 7: It stinks.
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  Speaker 2: It stinks.
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  Speaker 7: It's not a good event. No, it stinks. Okay, there's
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  Speaker 7: just you get maybe one good SoundBite out of it,
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  Speaker 7: when Tom Brady cries about his dad or something like that,
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  Speaker 7: and that's it.
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  Speaker 6: I used to go and try because everybody is there,
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  Speaker 6: all the personnel for both sides, so it's all the players,
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  Speaker 6: all the coaches.
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  Speaker 2: It's really the best access you can get all week
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  Speaker 2: to coaches, right, not to players, right. Players. You can
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  Speaker 2: do that during the week.
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  Speaker 7: So we had the coaches available during the week as well.
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  Speaker 7: Though I remember sitting at a table with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah available at the hotel.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that does happen. So that's the only thing you
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  Speaker 6: could ever get out of me Media day to me, like,
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  Speaker 6: even since we've been involved in it has always been
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  Speaker 6: sort of about entertainment, not football. So you know, they
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  Speaker 6: used to have like fifteen podiums set up. You know,
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  Speaker 6: any of those guys, forget about it. You're not getting
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  Speaker 6: anywhere near them to ask anything football related. It's all
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  Speaker 6: sort of human interest entertainment kind of stuff. And some
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  Speaker 6: of it is interesting. I'm not saying it's all useless,
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  Speaker 6: but if you're trying to get something about the team,
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  Speaker 6: that's when I used to try to get assistant coaches,
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  Speaker 6: you know, up in the stands and just sort of
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  Speaker 6: pick their brain and see how much of an inkling
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  Speaker 6: you could get into the game plan and stuff like
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  Speaker 6: that and what, you know, what they thought was important
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  Speaker 6: that particular week, you know for the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, do they still have like the crazy people dressed
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  Speaker 2: up like representing Nickelodeon Lady from Mexico is like somebody
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  Speaker 2: from Yeah, do they still have all that?
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  Speaker 6: That is one of the redeeming values of that night.
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  Speaker 6: There's there's some talent. Yeah, there's some talent in that stadium.
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  Speaker 6: What do you mean, Paul, I mean it's not just
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  Speaker 6: at the podium hot women.
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  Speaker 2: I remember the last time we were there, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was the last one, maybe the second to last one.
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  Speaker 2: One of our players, somebody in the secondary. We got
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  Speaker 2: word that he plays the organ and sings at his church.
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  Speaker 2: So I bought that little electric organ and I brought
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  Speaker 2: that put in the stand, got them all together and
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  Speaker 2: he choked like we got him going for a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but like he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So tried to do something out of that. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it was the one in Atlanta. It was the last.
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  Speaker 2: That was the last one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, what
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  Speaker 2: else we got. Let's uh, let's get into the Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: What so, coming off the Senior Bowl, are you more
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  Speaker 2: or less encouraged about rounds three, four, five, and six?
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  Speaker 7: What about seven?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's hard to get excited about round seven.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I would say, you know, I was talking
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  Speaker 7: to Deuce about this before the show. The defensive line
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  Speaker 7: in particular is extremely deep this year. I would say,
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  Speaker 7: both interior and edge rushers extremely deep. I mean, they
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  Speaker 7: obviously cut the top off of the draft at these events,
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  Speaker 7: so you're not seeing the top twenty top twenty five
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  Speaker 7: players in the country, and you're still looking at guys
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  Speaker 7: on day two where you really can see some NFL
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  Speaker 7: talent and some NFL upside there. So I was impressed
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  Speaker 7: with a lot of the edge rushers, in particular Kid
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  Speaker 7: from Marshall Mike Green just blew people up all week long.
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  Speaker 7: He was really impressive. But there was other people too
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  Speaker 7: that were great. So I think that that's a standout
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  Speaker 7: position group in this draft, defensive defensive line, edge or
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  Speaker 7: interior defensive line. Obviously, there's a lot of running backs
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  Speaker 7: in this draft as well, and again you're not seeing
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  Speaker 7: you know, Ash and Genty at this event. You're not
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  Speaker 7: seeing those types of guys. You're seeing more of the
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  Speaker 7: Day two and three guys. And there's still some talent
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  Speaker 7: there at that position, and some tight ends as well,
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  Speaker 7: I think are the I would say those are the
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  Speaker 7: three strengths of the draft. If you're really looking for
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  Speaker 7: the best position groups, I would hit those.
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  Speaker 2: Three, okay. And in terms of any I know the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots aren't in the market, but any qbs like.
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  Speaker 7: No, it's a disappointing week for a lot of the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 7: You're gonna here if you read anything about the Senior
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  Speaker 7: Bowl or any recaps. For whatever reason, Jackson Dart has
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  Speaker 7: the best PR team in the world. I don't know
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  Speaker 7: what that is about. Not trying to put him down
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  Speaker 7: too much. But I just thought some of the praise,
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  Speaker 7: especially from the national guys really pushing Jackson Dart as
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  Speaker 7: a potential first round prospect, gave me a lot of
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  Speaker 7: like Malik Willis type vibes, where like they had to
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  Speaker 7: hype somebody from this event at that position, and he
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  Speaker 7: was just sort of the guy that got a lot
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  Speaker 7: of it. Jalen Milroll throws the ball extremely hard. He
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  Speaker 7: can really zip it, but he has no control over
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  Speaker 7: it whatsoever. Kind of reminded me a little bit of
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  Speaker 7: Joe Milton's performance at the Senior Bowl last year, where
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  Speaker 7: you can see the arm talent mobility not as big
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  Speaker 7: or like as freakishly athletic as Joe Milton, but it
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  Speaker 7: was It's not a good year for quarterbacks, and there
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  Speaker 7: weren't very many good ones at the Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, the Senior Bowl can't be
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  Speaker 2: that great when even Jim Nagy, who runs the thing,
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  Speaker 2: kind of downplays, you know, the top end talent.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, like last year Bo Knicks and Michael Pennix were
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  Speaker 7: at the Senior Bowl with the quarterbacks. Now, neither one
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  Speaker 7: of them had like a stellar week necessarily, but two
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  Speaker 7: guys that ended up going in the top half of
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  Speaker 7: the first round and had great rookie years in bo
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  Speaker 7: Nix's case, So there was a lot of quarterback talent
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  Speaker 7: that was to think about it now, like that those
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  Speaker 7: were the depth quarterbacks in last year's class, right, Like,
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  Speaker 7: those were quarterbacks four and five that were at the
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  Speaker 7: Senior Bowl to try to help improve their draft stock.
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  Speaker 7: And now we get to this year and you're already
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  Speaker 7: watered down.
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  Speaker 2: What about mid round wide receivers?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought that a couple guys showed really well.
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  Speaker 7: Jend and Higgins from Iowa State, I think was probably
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  Speaker 7: the best in my opinion. A lot of people like
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  Speaker 7: his teammate Jyllen Knowle as well, he was really good.
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  Speaker 7: But both those two guys I felt like were running
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  Speaker 7: NFL routes. A lot of these guys nowadays you get
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  Speaker 7: down to the Senior Bowl and one on ones and
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  Speaker 7: they're running like double moves and like, you know, just
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  Speaker 7: trying to create as much flashiness and separation as possible.
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  Speaker 7: I thought those two guys were really translatable. Higgins more
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  Speaker 7: of like an outside receiver, got some size, ability to
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  Speaker 7: win down the field and contested catches. He's kind of
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  Speaker 7: like the day two Ted McMillan, you know, same kind
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  Speaker 7: of skill set. Noel is more of like a chain
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  Speaker 7: mover slot Lad McConkey type that that's pretty good at
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  Speaker 7: the top of the route. So I thought both those
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  Speaker 7: guys were good. Tess Johnson had a really nice week.
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  Speaker 7: But he's one of those speedy, speedy, undersized, speedy guys.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah that just gets open in one on ones and
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  Speaker 7: things like that because of his athletic ability and speed.
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  Speaker 7: But I really thought they're both those cyclones. I thought
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  Speaker 7: both those guys stood out.
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  Speaker 2: And when you're there for practices, are you on the field.
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  Speaker 7: Uh No, So they limit like on field access to
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  Speaker 7: a certain amount of people, so not everybody, but you're
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  Speaker 7: you're in the stands watching. It's a lot like training camp,
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  Speaker 7: Like you know, you're in the stands, but you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Get to like kind of listen in on coaches or
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  Speaker 2: scouts talking.
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  Speaker 7: You do, but not I wouldn't say on the field,
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  Speaker 7: but in the stands you can there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So like our contingent kind of all sat together in
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  Speaker 7: one section and they you know, we have that shot
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  Speaker 7: on Patriots dot Com of Rabel Elliott and Ryan Cowden
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  Speaker 7: all in a row, you know, sitting together, so that
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  Speaker 7: that did happen a lot. Some of our guys would
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  Speaker 7: go down to the field too, but more more like
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  Speaker 7: the scouts, you know, my macro on down were the
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  Speaker 7: guys that were kind of on the field for us,
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  Speaker 7: whereas the big three we're up in the stands.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you guys have any questions about sing
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  Speaker 2: your bowl now?
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  Speaker 4: We mean and everyone chatting a little bit about it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean think now it's the point where you start
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  Speaker 4: to figure out how it all stacks up. I think
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  Speaker 4: you mean you ask good questions, Fred, I think those
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  Speaker 4: are and I think it's encouraging about the defensive line
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  Speaker 4: and the defensive ends. I think it's a spot where
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  Speaker 4: they don't have a lot of depth. They might be
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  Speaker 4: kind of switching the scheme around a little bit where
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna have some new needs. And I think you
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  Speaker 4: could really, you know, look at that weak side edge
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  Speaker 4: as a spot where you just you don't even have
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  Speaker 4: a guy on the roster right now who can get
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  Speaker 4: off the ball and get the corner and put pressure
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  Speaker 4: on the quarterback. Not that they're gonna be able to
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  Speaker 4: get a dual Carter's out of my range now. But
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  Speaker 4: Mike Green even, you know, like those kind of guys
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  Speaker 4: with some speed that you know you can put a
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  Speaker 4: key on White on the strong side and you know
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  Speaker 4: he'll hold up. But you just you need somebody who's
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  Speaker 4: going to get after the quarterback in that spot. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's a key spot for the Pats defense.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously this is all getting ready for the draft.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, free agency comes first, and a couple, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people of note, have gone out on social media and
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  Speaker 2: said they want to be traded, Miles Garrett and Cooper Cup.
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  Speaker 2: You know, as soon as that happens, you see the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots people with the eye the eyeballs. What are we
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  Speaker 2: thinking do we make Should we be making a play
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  Speaker 2: at either one of those guys.
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  Speaker 4: I just I'm at the point personally where I can't
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  Speaker 4: say no to anybody because the Patriots just they don't
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  Speaker 4: really have the talent. And I can make an argument
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  Speaker 4: for any of these guys. Cooper Cup, you want to
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  Speaker 4: bring him in. Yes he's a little old, but to
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  Speaker 4: have a reliable receiver, a professional receiver, somebody who might
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  Speaker 4: go into that room and really maybe set a tone
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  Speaker 4: that needs to be set sure, Miles Garrett. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 4: I love him, he's still twenty nine. I mean it's
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  Speaker 4: it's it's a little bit on the cuffs for me.
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  Speaker 4: But like I just said, that's the spot, that's the
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  Speaker 4: spot right there. Plug him in at right defensive end
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  Speaker 4: and maybe you forget.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if it makes sense in terms of
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  Speaker 6: the resources you're going to have to give up to
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  Speaker 6: get Miles Garrett. I don't know if the timeline.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 6: I know the Browns have been adamant that they don't
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  Speaker 6: want And just as a slight correction, Miles Garrett is
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  Speaker 6: requested a trade. Cup is saying that the Rams intend
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  Speaker 6: to trade.
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  Speaker 2: True. True, that's a big difference, just.
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  Speaker 6: A minor technicality there. But I would be interested in Cup.
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  Speaker 6: But I need to see what they do, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And I heard Albert Breather this morning and I was
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  Speaker 6: actually thinking this. He must have read my mind, kind
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  Speaker 6: of like the Adam Thielen role on how he's sort
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  Speaker 6: of performed for Bryce Young, which it's not working there
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  Speaker 6: because really that's their number one guy. That's the best
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  Speaker 6: thing that the Panthers have, so they're kind of limited.
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  Speaker 6: But if you could get a couple of really good
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  Speaker 6: receivers and have what you're talking about Mike as the
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  Speaker 6: veteran presence, and all of a sudden, he's, you know,
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  Speaker 6: a complimentary piece. I like the idea of Cooper Cupp.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it'd cost you a whole lot to
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  Speaker 6: get them.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like twenty million or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know what the money is, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: as you know, I'm very consistent. I don't really care
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  Speaker 6: about that part.
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  Speaker 2: You can do the.
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  Speaker 6: Finances on your time, but I don't think you're going
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  Speaker 6: to have to give up resources to get you know,
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  Speaker 6: maybe a day three pickswap. You know, maybe I'll give you,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a fifth for you a sixth or something
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  Speaker 6: like that to get Cooper. It's not gonna cost you
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  Speaker 6: a whole lot.
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  Speaker 4: Said, they're gonna trade them.
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  Speaker 6: So if I had, say, like t Higgins and Hawkins,
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  Speaker 6: who is that that's the outside guy from Iowa State
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  Speaker 6: to the outside guy.
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  Speaker 7: He gets it in they're both Higgins, which would be
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  Speaker 7: a little confusing.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So I'm more interested in the outside guy from
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  Speaker 6: Iowa State than I am another sort of inside guy
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  Speaker 6: that I feel like they have seventy five options and
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  Speaker 6: none of them are really all that great. But with that,
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  Speaker 6: with really good receivers, I like the idea of Cup
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  Speaker 6: bringing Cup here to just sort of say, oh, we
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  Speaker 6: got Cooper Cup now, like it's twenty twenty one. That's
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  Speaker 6: not gonna work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what about what's the cost of bringing in Garrett?
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of people have used Khalil Mack as
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  Speaker 2: you know, the sort of line of drawn that would take,
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  Speaker 2: like when Mack was traded though he was younger, right,
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  Speaker 2: he was a couple of years young a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years younger, but it was a boatload to get him.
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  Speaker 2: And and people think that Miles Garrett's better.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I do wonder if, like with Miles Garrett,
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: I'm more interested in him than Cooper Cup. I think
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: Cooper Cup is pretty much washed at this point. He
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: hasn't he hasn't has washed. He hasn't had a full
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: season in three years, like he's.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: He's missed at least five games the last three years.
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's expensive. Obviously you can renegotiate contracts and all
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: that good stuff, which I'm sure he will. But he
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: also said in his statement that he's really only interested
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: in going to a contender situation, Like I love the
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: idea and theory of him being this like veteran mentor
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: to a younger room and all that. I just what's
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: what's in that for Cooper Cup Like totally wall, I
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: don't really see his side of that. But with Miles Garrett,
• 16:06
  Speaker 7: it's the same situation, Like he obviously wants out of
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: Cleveland because they can't win anything, so he wants to
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: go to a better program and a better situation. But
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: I would be more interested in him, and I wonder
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: if you could maybe throw a current player into the
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: trade so it's not quite as much draft capitals exactly.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: If you're gonna do that joke, right, it's the Dodgers. Okay,
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: that's that's the Twitter joke is the Dodgers signed.
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: Um, he's right about the Lakers too, But yeah, I
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: would say that. I'd, you know, maybe instead of having
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: to throw in like multiple picks, you're throwing in a
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: couple picks, and like key On White is in the trade,
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: you know, just someone that Rabel might view as not
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: his type of player. Not saying that that's key On
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: White specifically, is just an example that isn't going to
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: be part of the future now that the scheme's changing,
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: the coaching staff's changing. Yeah, maybe you can. You can
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: dump one of them.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So even though these two guys, you know, one says
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: he's going to be traded, the other one requesting a trade,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: you technically you can't talk to them yet, right the Well.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: It depends if the team's allowed that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I guess you have to get permission from the team.
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: My guess is Cleveland isn't in that position yet, but
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: the Rams might be. If the Rams are really interested
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: in trading him, yep, that's their goal is to trade him,
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: then why wouldn't you give Cubs representatives and why do
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: they want to trade him just to offload his salary?
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: Toast?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not toast. He might be injured, but when
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: he's out there, he doesn't. Okay, lately he's okay, He's
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: not toast.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: He's he's anything. For a couple of years, he's in
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: the toaster. Like, I don't know if he's done, but
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: he's warming.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: You're only the first setting. It's like lightly brown.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: What was his numbers the last three games for the Rams?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Look at that, I noticed them.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: I noticed them too, though, I mean I hear what
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: you're saying, and I thought, you know, he's come through
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: in some moments and kind of goes back to what
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I talked about watching the playoffs. We're like, you can't
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: have just all number ones, like you need some number
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: fours that are gonna make some tough catches. Not to
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: say that's him, but I also just think all this
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: discussion makes me wonder about the ability to bring guys
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: in no matter how much you can pay them. And
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: you know that's a big thing with t Higgins right
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: now that everybody's saying, why would you want to go?
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: I'll go from December on. Okay, okay. He had three
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: for seventeen December first at New Orleans. He had five
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: for ninety two in a touchdown. December eighth against Buffalo
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: zero for zero. My guess is he did not play
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: in that game. December twelfth against San Francisco. December twenty
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: second against the Jets, three for twenty four, December twenty
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: ninth against Arizona, one for twenty nine, playoff game against
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: Minnesota again one for twenty nine, and the loss to
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Philadelphia and the Division round five for sixty one.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So he had two games in there that he was
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: fairly pretty.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: I see one five for ninety two a touchdown.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: The other what was it the last one six four.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: Five five sixty yards?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Well, they could have been first down.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: I got a bunch of those.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: You need the context, I got a bunch of those.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Kendrick Bourn.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he just doesn't separate on film the same way
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: as he did two or three years ago. I thought
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: that going into the Patriots Rams game this year, and
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: then obviously you send it all out blitz and he
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: goes sixty nine yards to the end zone. But he
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: had the rest of the game. He had that was
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: his one big play in the game, and the rest
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: of it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Was six and two touchdowns in that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Game, and sixty nine yards of him came on one play,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: not toast against the So yeah.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, like the last three year, I like Hooper
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: Cup as a player, and I think what Mike said
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: there might be some value there the way that you've
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: talked about a Mike as a mentor. But in twenty
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: twenty one, he was the last receiver that won the
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Triple Crown before Jamar Chase just did. He had one
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: forty five for nineteen forty seven and sixteen touchdowns.
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, great season.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Okay, he has seventeen touchdowns total since in three years,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: seventy five for eight twelve, fifty nine for seven, thirty seven,
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: sixty seven for seven to ten. So the production has
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: dropped dramatically.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: But I'll take six seven hundred yards from my fourth receiver.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: Okay, Well, he's not going to be your fourth receiver?
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: Why not because you paying him twenty million dollars a year?
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: So what.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So, who don't care about the money? Who you say
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: you don't care about the money.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: But uh see, I'm not talking about the money. You
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: said he's the fourth receiver if you brought him right now,
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: he's your one research.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm not stopping there.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: So who are your are the three that are better
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: than that?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They're not on the roster right now. Okay,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: they're not on the roster.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: So you think it's realistic that they're going to acquire
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: three receivers.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: At least one at least one through the draft.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Yes, but he's better than Cooper Cup.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not. But Cooper Cup is not in tended
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: to be my one or two receiver.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: And if that's the case, as I said, I'd be
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: interested in that. I think Mike's got some value there
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: with with sort of experience and mentorship. But my fear
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: would be whatever, and I think is fearing you're gonna
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: pay this guy whatever he's got left on his contracts,
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: that's gonna be our acquisition at the position. And that's
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: not good enough.
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: You're gonna end up having Cooper Cup. You'll take another
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: Dart in the draft, you know, at some point in
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: the top one hundred, and that those are your receiver acquisitions,
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: and that, to me isn't good enough. Like I'd much
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: rather pay t Higgins thirty instead of Cooper Cup at
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: thirty two years old twenty now.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: T Higgins also misses a handful of games each season
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: the last few years.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: The difference to me is he's twenty five, not thirty two.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And he might want more than thirty, right, that's about.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: What it's gonna cost, you think, So yeah, I mean
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: he might get I mean, he might get thirty two
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: or something like that, but he's not gonna get what
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: like Justin Jefferson got No, Well, that's thirty five, right,
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: I think, ish.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was thirty five two years ago.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: It was just what just happened.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Just last year. They just signed him for thirty justin Jefferson. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: signed before the season, right before the season. Okay, Yeah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if he's not at that Jamar Chase's
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: level of Cede Lambs level and just got the like
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: thirty five I think is the high end he Higgins
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: isn't that he's a notch below that. I agree with that.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: But if he look, if he's looking for that, he's
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: not going to sign anywhere. Yeah, I don't.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Think, well, some team will do it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: I just wonder if that mentor, you know, I was
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: listening to Malik Neighbors talking about Darius Slayton who's a
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: free agent, and saying how big he was in his development.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: The same thing as the professional in a room. And
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: if you're going to pay Darius Slayton twelve million dollars
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: to be the professional in the room and then you're
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: going to go out and spend some real money on
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: a receiver, I'd much rather do that than than trade
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: for for Cooper Cup and then you still got your
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: your mentor you know, you still got your your VET
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: in the room type of guy. I agree with that
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: point that their Vets in their room last year. We're
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: not Yeah, we're not Vets and they don't have enough
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: kJ Osborne.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: It's Kendrick Bourne.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I would I would just say that as
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: long as you're going to do what you are suggesting, Fred,
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: get some high end talent at the position. I'm interested
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: in in these kinds of players, but not if that's
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: kind of what you know.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, we're on the same page that
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: like Cooper.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Cup and I always have I think he's a good player.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: I do think Evan's right. I think he's really really
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: approaching the end of the line. But I think there's
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: still some value there.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl anybody watch.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I watched the Thursday night skills with my kids. Drake
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: unfortunately didn't do so hot on that or either. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: think you got twenty two points, but I tuned.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I tuned in for a little bit on Sunday, probably
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: more than I should of It's it probably did decent
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: ratings compared to what else was on TV, but it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: just not that compelling for me. I mean, particularly the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: flag football. The flag football game stinks. It's three plays,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you're in the red zone and then can you get
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: it in it's it's it's not even a good flag football.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Did Connor play flag football grow up?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: No? He did not. That's flag football, Yeah, no, it isn't.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: They're trying to revolutionize sports. Yeah, like they you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: they want high school sports now to be you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: boys and girls flag football is. You know, I heard
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: the commissioner talk about it yesterday, jims them the ginger hammer.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: You know, this is so exciting for us or we
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: have no I think Louisiana just you know past girls
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: flag football as a the Olympics and official high school sport.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: He talked a lot about the Olympics. It's so exciting
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: that they're playing all these people playing our sports they're not.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It's not your sport. It's not football.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: It's no different than like three on three basketball is basketball.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: It's not the same sport. It's it's entirely different. And
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: my kids both played it. They loved it. It's just
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: not all that interesting.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: It's not especially at this level when you see these
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: like amazing athletes, you know, playing flag football, it doesn't translate.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: You know, the quarterbacks standing back there and you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: he's got a time, he's got a clock by which
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: he has to throw it and like it's either completer
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: or it's not, and there's nothing else going on.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like the review stuff. Like I just
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the answer is with the Football
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: All Star Game weekend. I mean, all the events seem
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: kind of contrived and choppy. You know, nothing's like smooth.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And I mean the punting thing was kind of fun,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: but you only have you only have two guys competing
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: on each roster, you know.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Just so you know, if they can't get Evan to
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: watch it, yeah, well.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: The ball knower's put our noses up.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: I was just trying to get my kids to watch,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: like that's yeah, that's what part of the reason they
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: watched it Thursday night. I was just curious if it
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: appealed to them and all they both played flag football,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: but even they were saying, like catch this was eh,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: not so great.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: No, there's just nothing compelling to me about All Star
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: games across the board.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: And as soon as they announced that Vita Veo was
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: on the Nationals tugle war team, it's like it's over.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: They won, and of course they didn't, like they won
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: two straight and it was over, like you're not gonna
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: beat him tugle war.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know what the answer is. I mean,
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: and I know that for me, I would just say
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: stop doing it. But I know they'll never do that
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: because I look at it as an opportunity to make
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: some more money.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I think the players that are down there are actually
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: having a good time. I think they're enjoying themselves.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: It's just maybe it's just nostalgia, but the old Quarterback Challenge,
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: and we have video of Brady doing it, I think
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: in like a one or two right after they won
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: thirty six, so too, I guess of him doing it,
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: and it's like, but that was the star power participating
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: in that was always it was always the best of
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: the best quarterbacks, like Brady Manning. Dan Marino famously did
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: one where he just is unbelievable in it. And like
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: now it's just, you know, no offense to our guy
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: or anybody else. But like, it's not Patrick Mahomes that's
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: doing the Quarterbacks Challenge, it's Jared Goff and Drake May
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: And you.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Know, we will be more intriguing if they played softball,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: it really would. I know they can't play beach volleyball
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: because you know, Robert Edwards, you know, but like do
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: something where you can actually compete hard, you know, like
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: like softball. You know, I don't know.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know what the answer is.
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: It Like the NBA has a big problem with their
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: All Star weekend.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Oh that's ridiculous.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: The dunk contest is dead. No one wants to do it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: The only thing that really is is good, and that
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: is the three point contest because you're just shooting, so
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: everybody is kind of willing to do that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: I generally try to see that it's fantastic and that's it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I think hockey else Star game is actually one that
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: works to me, Like.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: Well, the game itself doesn't, but the skills, I think
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: hockey accuracy, yeah, the skill and like I I could
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: be talked into some of the skills stuff. I didn't
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: watch any of this with with football, but I think
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: that you could. You know, I assume that the quarterbacks
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: were thrown at targets of some sort. Yeah, yeah, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: mean I could probably if I was stumbling upon something.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: That was the first part they did was the competition
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: where they had some stationary targets, then they had ones
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: way deep. I mean Jered goff was awesome. I mean
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: it was it was That was the only part to
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: me that was those I think.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: It's amazing, Like when Fred and I were kids in
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: the seventies, like the Pro Bowl was an actual game.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: I actually played it, and I just imagine, I can't imagine,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: like why would you ever play that game for real?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: But getting hurt right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: And Drew Brees got hurt in the prob I'm not
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: telling you no, I'm not telling you you're wrong. I
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: just don't recall anybody.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Except for Robert, except for Robert Edwards, the poor guy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: I feel like the skill competition right now is gimmicky
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: if they made it a little bit more legitimate like hockey,
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: like hockey is legitimate, translatable skill, hardest shot, fastest skater.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: I went to the hockey skills competition back when the
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Garden first opened, I want to say the late nineties.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: It was. It was called the Fleet Center I think
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: at the time. But it was really a lot of
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: fun to watch, just the you know, the when they
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: when they're doing the like the the fastest skater, you
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: think they're gonna slam into the into the boards. They're
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: going so fast, you don't know how they could possibly
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: hold themselves up and make those turns and the agility
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: that they show, and like, like Mike said, the slap
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: shot Charra and the target you know Ray Borok used
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: to win the target thing, all, Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Of course they shot. He did, he did. I was right.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: He located his right shoulder while you recover a fumble. No,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I well, just when the still Trapp doesn't called something
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: and you look at me with those wide eyes, I'm like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: oh God, I'm.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Trying to recover a fumble at the polo competitor.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: I still don't have any recollection of that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: No, like his.
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, so, it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Wasn't his rotator cuff. It wasn't the shoulder injury that
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: knocked him out of San Diego.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Now, it was a three hundred and sixty degree tear
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: of his labor I'm and a partial tear of his
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: rotator cuff. The injury threatened to end his NFL career.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: Now, was that a Pro Bowl? Didn't realize that m.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Okay so seven would be the sixth season?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, O six season?
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: So maybe he was that Maybe that was nothing. I
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: didn't realize that that was a Pro Bowl.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember anyway, I remember the injury.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: Now, I just had no recollection that I was at
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: a Pro Bowl.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so so the Pro Bowl happened. Nobody's really
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: excited about that. So then we have the Super Bowl
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: coming up. We've got the Eagles chief. Wow, I'm excited
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to watch.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: I think now that I'll watch Freddy. I think it
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: could be much like everybody else in the country, even
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: though people say that they won't.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I think it will be a good game. I think
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: both teams, believe it or not. I think it could
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: be a low scoring game.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Actually define low scoring.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Well, tell me what the number is. I don't know
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: what the over under is, but it just tell me
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: what it could come under. It could come under.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: I could see like high twenties to low twenties, something
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: In Kansas City.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Thirty eight forty eight eight pound the under pound the under.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: I think that's a good number, like twenty seven to
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: twenty three, something along those those lines.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: I wonder if it opens up in the fourth quarter,
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: because I can see generally what happens in.
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: The Super bowls.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, he's get gassed.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: Tom Brady's theory was always that the defenses get tired.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: They do get tired and the offense has an advantage.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: But you got to take Mahomes in that situation unfortunately.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like I think that's happened in
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: almost all of Mahomes's super The offense doesn't look like
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: it's doing Any defense is tired.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: It's not that good. I mean, all the defenses get tired.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: All of Paul's shows now are doing the comparison between
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the Patriots and and they're you know, they're trying to
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: bait Patriots fans, But I think it's a legitimate discussion.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: And I heard them talking about Brady versus Mahomes. If
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you had one game to win, who would you pick?
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Brady?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tom Brady just realistic.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you another question, if you had
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: one play, who would you pick? What do I need
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you need to it's a game on the line, but
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: play from where like you're in the red zone or
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: like within the ten yard line.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: Brady, If it's like the twenty five and I need
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: someone to like just make a ridiculus athletic play, maybe
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: I'll go Mahomes there like that, But but like a
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: regular play that I can I need my guy to
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: decipher what the defense is doing and make the right
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: call and make the throw accurately on time.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Brady.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Ye see, I might pick Mahomes and Mahomes, and I
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: might pick my homes only because the way the league
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: is now, I want somebody, buddy who has that dual
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: threat with one play to go, like, no matter what happens,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: he can maybe bail himself out, you know.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: A good good counter.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I wonder how long do we have to do this?
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Like is this is this forever?
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Until then you can you can actively the ten years
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: like barroom debates, I'm not here.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: No. The fact that I.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Still think that even if the Chiefs do the three
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: p right, I still think as of that time, the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Patriots dynasty will be better because of its duration. And
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: of course there will be Yeah, the Patriots have done
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: still had done nothing that the Chiefs did, even though
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: doing three in a row is something the Patriots hadn't done.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: And the only thing that you would say is that
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: the Chiefs were if they were to win Sunday or
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: ahead of the pace, even lose, even losing their ahead.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Of the PA, they're ahead of the pace and that's great.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: But the duration of the that's to me it's.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I would say the Patriots dynasty is a greater feat
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: than anything that the Chiefs can do up to this point.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: But like you said, they're on pace to the pace.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: They've been to more super Bowls and a less amount
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: of time.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: They're on pace to do better, but they need to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: do it for you another fifteen years.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Like anyway that twenty thirty four, Patrick Mahomes is back
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: in the super Bowl, Like this.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Is the argument that you fell into this, This is
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: kind of what started our freaking them.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: And you might like about Josh mctanias. Again, I don't care.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: There's nothing in the rules that says that Mahomes has
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: to take.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: A ten gap.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's what I would like if this is
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: important to you, and I'll come up front and it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: not overly important to me, because nothing that Kansas City
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: can do will tell me that what I saw the
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Patriots do for twenty years didn't really happen. Much like
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: if I were a Steelers fan, nothing the Patriots did
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: changed anything that Pittsburgh did when winning four out of
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: six in the seventies. So I would just say that
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: that's what I would fear if I did care about it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: Is that Mahomes doesn't take a ten year gap and
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: he wins three more in that ten years, and all
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, he doesn't need to do it for
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: twenty years.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: That's what's really interesting, Paul, the comparison of how close
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Brady came a lot of times in those ten years,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: or he lost a whole year to injury, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: like he the luck started.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: To seven and eleven, they lost super Bowls.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: You know, the luck started to change a little bit.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: They stopped getting those bounces, they started having off playoff games.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: You know, is that Kansas City's credit that hasn't.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Really happened to this one year he didn't play.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, I know they got housed in
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty. Maybe that's as you know, close as you
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: can get with you know, him going against Tampa. But
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: they're still right in the mix. And to do it.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: You know, I know Brady had Manning and Philip you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: there was some good talent in the AFC, but you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: you're doing a time with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Guys
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: were very good.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: It's really impressive.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: You really have to.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: I think it's more reminiscent of the first part, because
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: I thought it was a much more difficult.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Road double MVPs, like.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: Four, they had a deal with Manning and Roethlisberger and
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: McNair and people forget that team all the time, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: how good that Tennessee team was defense, you know, and
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: then periodically as that went on, it was you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: San Diego was a powerhouse in six, that fourteen and
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: two team that the Patriots beat in the division round
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: on the road. So I think this is comparable to that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: I think the second part of it, I mean kind
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: of feasting on kind of you know, how many how
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: many divisions around? The divisional round game from one to
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: seven was not a cupcake the way it turned into
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: from like thirteen, twelve, thirty. The Tim Tebow Broncos, right,
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: you know, the Marcus Mariota Titans, those teams were not
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: you know, the brock Oswiler Texans. Those teams couldn't beat
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: You couldn't beat anybody.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Even Jacksonville, who gave us a scare. That wasn't that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: good a team.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Well that particular year, I thought they were pretty good.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the first part of the dynasty,
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: the road to get there, was much more difficult than
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: the second part. Oh yeah, but it's also a whole
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: different game too, Like just look at how offensive some
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: of those those games were as compared to early when
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: it was more defensive oriented. Yeah, that's the other thing too,
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: that the Patriots get to get credit for. They kind
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: of won in two different errors, almost two different styles.
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: You know. Can can Kansas City do that? Can they adjust?
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: My guess is yes, But like the did, I don't
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: have to think.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs have adjusted a little bit even now.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I mean they are they invested more on defense than
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: they did offense, and you know, they're letting Mahomes cover
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: up the wards, much like the Patriots did with Brady,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: you know. And then the other debate is Gronk versus Kelsey.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I think Gronk had the problem with injuries. I think
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: if he hadn't been injured so much, his numbers would
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: obviously be even even greater than they are.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: It is scary how similar the numbers are.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: In the playoffs. But Kelsey has better numbers in the pick,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't he?
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in terms of like catches, but like
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: the record is almost the same in the same amount
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: of games. It's like seventeen and four and eighteen and
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: five or something like that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And then the final comparison Andy Reid and Belichick.
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: You know, uh, you know, out of all of them,
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: I think that's the one if you were just died
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: in the wild Patriots guy, that's the one I would
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: feel the worst about. I think Reid's gonna pass him.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: In terms of just strictly wins. Yeah, but what about
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: like who's the better coach?
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: What do you think think that that's the one that
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: you have to worry about the most.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But I always I love to I like to
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: throw the context in of as you said, Fred, the
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: league has evolved, and I think it's evolved towards Andy
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Reid and offensive coach and you know, Bill really made
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: their great dynasty run. As Paul pointed out in that
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: first part of the two thousands, where it was about defense,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: it was you know, he was the defensive genius. I mean,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Baryon's calling him a genius, you know, So I just
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I think that that's a factor in the conversation. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: also would just throw out there the fact that I
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: don't think the league's gonna have a you know, unkind
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: word to say about Andy Reid at the end of this.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: And I think there are a lot of people with
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: how it went with Bill here, with some of the
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: controversies that went down that that unfortunately shaded some of
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: his legacy a little bit. You know, It's just there's
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: no way around it. And Andy Reid, I know there
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: are some off the field issues for him as well,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: but I just feel like everyone really pulls him up
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: on kind of a pal who.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Doesn't like Andy Reid?
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah? And I would also say, just just to
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: you know, in the comparison, I think Andy Reid has
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: some success that Belichick doesn't without the star.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Right right. I mean Donovan McNabb was a good quarterback,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't stiff. Yeah, he stiff.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Stiff? Come on, how do you do without Andy Reid?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: But he was terrible in Washington and Minnesota.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: But he's terrible.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: He was a decent quarterback. He wasn't a stiff. He
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't a stiff.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: Agreed to disagree, but I think he was a stiff.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: But but you can make the argument that Andy Reid
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: made him better.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, I think that's inarguable.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he did. Andy Reid had more non Chiefs
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: success than Belichick had, you know, not Tom Brady.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: Belichick won one playoff game without breeding like Andy Reid
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: has like thirteen yeah, or eleven double digits whatever it is, yep,
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: without Mahomes. Yeah, Mahomes says.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: How old is any read? Though? I mean how is he?
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, does he got twenty thirties in him?
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Like he got another seven twenty thirties?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Like is he gonna you know, I'm saying if we're
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: talking about longevity, but he only needs.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Three more years to six He only needs three more
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: years to set the record.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Like twelve with the wins record.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh okay, I just I was just talking championships.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: Is she gonna beat three and a half years? Maybe?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: But he did. Reid did say he's not going to
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: be coaching in the seventies like Bill Belichick. I don't
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: believe he's heard that. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: She's Phil's already got two munch drafts out whatever the
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: end of the season.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: But no, but like, yeah, so he needs about three
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: years to catch Bill and you know, make the kiss.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: He'll probably coach long point?
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Could I mean? I like Bill burst joke when he
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: was a Brady Knights Andy reads too fat. That was
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: my one of my favorite line from Brady Knight.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: One of your favorite lines.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, good, laugh, good chuckle, all right? Eight five five
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: past five hundred. Is the TPX Outline podcast at Patriots
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: dot com. Is the email address? Anything else we want
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to get on the table.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: Before we setting the table there, Freddie touched on a
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: lot of topics.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: We said a lot. Let's go to the listeners see
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: what they had to say. Christians in LA, what's up,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Christian Hey?
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: Because I knew you guys a couple of things. One
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: thing about the Andy Reid versus Bill that Effect debate
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: is one Andy Reid didn't stay with the Philadelphia Eagles
• 42:39
  Speaker 10: and remake them into a better team. He went to
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: another team that had Alex Smith, who kept them relevant
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: and was borderline a championship quarterback himself. So it wasn't
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: like Andy Reid lost his main you know, we lost
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: Brady and.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: Then Andy Reid got fired in Philadelphia. It wasn't his
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: choice to leave, much like it wasn't Old Belichick's choice
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: to leave Cleveland or Patriots, ye right, or the Patriots.
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: We have to take the fact that Andy Reid went
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: to a different team that had relevant players and was
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: pretty you know, pretty much a season team.
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: It wasn't like going back to starting from zero like Bill.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: Had given a lot of credit hold Police, Okay, it's
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: given a little bit of a lot of credit to
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: Alex Smith. There.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: Christian Kansas City sucked the year before Andy Reid got there.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: I believe they were two and fourteen. I believe that
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: was the team he inherited. But I'm going to look
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: it up because I don't want to Okay, I don't
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: want to misspeak if I'm wrong.
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: Second thing, I've been reading a lot and a lot
• 43:40
  Speaker 11: of school of thought are saying this, and I just
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: want to see what you guys think of it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: We pick up Travis.
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: Hunter repair with Christian Gonzalees. That then has an effect
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: of having other teams have to hold the ball longer,
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: which then helps our past rush get to them, which
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: then gives us more of essions on offense, which didn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: help our offense offensive offensive line. The one player, So
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: it has a domino effect, Right, you put this great
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: guy on defense, you pairing with another great cornerback, and
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: that really does have an effect on.
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: How the rest of the game flow. Well, sure, you
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: guys agree with that.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, any great player is going to have
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a domino effect on everything. Yep, you know so.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: And I was right.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: The Chiefs were two and fourteen the year before we
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: got there.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: But thanks for the call, Christian.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you can make that argument. A great pass rusher,
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: it's going to make it easier on the secondary. He's
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: going to get home, you know so.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Now, speaking of speaking of Travis Huster Hunter, Phil Perry
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: from NBC Sports Boston came out with his mock draft
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: yesterday and he had two point zero and he had
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the two quarterbacks going two and three, which not Travis
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Hunter down to number four.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: So I wanted to get to that in Evans's Senior
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: Bowl stuff because that's really the quarterback stuff to me,
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: is most relevant for the Patriots. Yeah, and just your fear.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you talk to anybody. I know
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: you talked to vrabel Wolf in Cowed, and I don't
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: know if you in your conversations, did you get a
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: feel as to the level of confidence from anybody that
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: any of those quarterbacks will go in the top three.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: I would yeah, I would.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: Say cam Ward has maybe a little bit more love
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: than we initially thought, or that it was initially out there.
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of people that are pretty
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: high on on cam Ward being not in the Kaleb
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: of Jaden Daniels, Drake May category, but in the first
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: round talent category at quarterback, and then Shador. My takeaway
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: with Shador is that it's a lot of it is
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: also about branding, right, Like, if you're the New York
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: Giants and you really want to make a splash, and
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: you really want to bring a name brand and the
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: whole Sanders thing to New York, then it can be appealing.
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: I don't think that he personally would go if his
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: last name was Smith instead of Sanders. I'm not sure
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: he's in this conversation, but you know, I would say
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: that Sanders is being more compared to like the Bonixes
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: of the world, like mid first round talent. Cam Ward
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: is a little bit more toolsy with a little bit
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: more upside. So maybe there's a little bit more.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: But if you're a Patriots Travis Hunter Dreamer, yeah, both
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of those guys have to go through two or three
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: in order for you to have a shot at Travis
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Hunter presumably.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's it's really early, but
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: I would say it's not totally out of the realm
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: of possibility that that could happen. The Titans at one
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: are interesting because they said, oh, we're not going to
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: pass on a generational talent, but like that's vague, Like
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: what's a generational talent?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Whoever?
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: We pick week D right, And I don't think there's
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: a generational talent.
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: Right, So if you deem it that there isn't, then
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: like they might just default to the best quarterback, which
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: would be probably cam Ward, So there could be a
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: quarterback still that goes first.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are assuming that's a dual.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: Carter, Yeah, I mean, I don't know if he's generational though,
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: like you know, I think that's that's I would say
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: that just by definition, Travis Hunter is more generational than
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: Abdul Carter is because we've never seen somebody in like
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: fifty sixty years played both sides of the ball at
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: that level that he did last year for Colorado. We've
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: seen pass rushers like you know, Abdul Carter is, Michael Parsons, like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: we've seen guys like that.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Patty and agawam. What's up Patty? Everyone?
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, I got a few things. First off, Fritt,
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: can I can I tip pick to you again this.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Year in the draft in the first round? Kenny?
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: What can you?
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: What can you in the first round?
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Tip pick tip? Yeah? I don't care. I don't know.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I hate that. I would rather have it whenever, you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: But I get it. Everyone finds out the pick like
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: five minutes before it's announced on TV.
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: So the other thing is just regarding the Super Bowl.
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: I don't have a problem with the Chiefs one, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: I guess some of an anomaly amongst the Patriots fans
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: like I I enjoyed watching greatness and I think Brett
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: you said last week, like player two to fifty three,
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: the Eagles are probably the better team, but the big
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: Darrie hole is the number one guy in the roster
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: and the head coach matchups.
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: So I don't care. Like I hate, I hate the Eagles.
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: I hate Eagles fans.
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: I hope they lose, But to me, I just I
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: don't know.
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: Man.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: I can see them sort of dominating the defensive line
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: of scrimmage with Joe Toney having to play left tackles,
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: and they line Carter up over that left guard. It
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: might be a long day for them.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think I think that defensive
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: line for the Eagles could be a difference maker.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: On both sides. I think their offensive line, Yeah, they
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: could easily win this game in the trenches.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that's all I got, all right, Patty.
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: You know, he described himself as maybe an anomaly and
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: Pagriots fans. Based on my very unscientific research, I would
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: agree most Pages fans are strongly rooting for the Eagles.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I am too, but just you know, obviously so they
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: don't have the three P Yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost want to this clean game without any
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: stupid referee controversy more than I want to win.
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: I just don't want just here for the comp your guy,
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: the sanctity of the.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Your guy saying refereeing may not have ever been better.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: He thinks it's fine.
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: The ginger hammer just a no, no, not.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: The ginger hammer.
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: Oh he's out of his mind.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Oh whoa.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: That's like that argument that he did yesterday, you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: backing up what Goodell said, Yeah, is insane, inscrually insane.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: If you watch these games and you think the officiating
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: has never been better now. You want to tell me
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: it's the reaction is way over the top because of
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: how the quality of camera work and the HD and
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: all this stuff that we didn't have access to, you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: thirty years ago. Right, that's fine that I'll listen to.
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: But don't tell me that the quality of the officiating
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: is better now. The job is infinitely harder because everything
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: is so much fatter.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: That's kind of his point.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: But don't but don't tell me it's better. Yeah, it's
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: not better. These guys are ill equipped to keep up
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: for the most part. It can't even spot the ball.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think spotting the ball should be
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: anywhere near as hard as it is. And I'll tell
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: you I could legitimately have a gripe with about seventy
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: to eighty percent of the plays where they put the ball.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: See, I think spotting the ball is hard. I don't
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: because you have to have two things in mind when
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: you're doing it. Where is he down? And where's the
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: ball when he was down? And so you have to
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: be looking at like the whole body, almost have to
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: be have your eyes in two different places at the
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: same time. Where's the ball and where what's the first
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: thing that touches the ground.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: I didn't say it was an easy job. I think
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: it's in general, like officiating. I don't think it's an
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: easy job. But I just because it's hard doesn't mean
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: I tell you it's better than ever.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: I think that's kind of a silly take. But it's
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: just when you're dug in and you think they shouldn't
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: call a blatant face mask penalty because it's bailing out
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: the other team, which is his take, because it's a
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: bailout call, Like you don't want to see games that
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: games aren't decided on the bailout, right, the situation team
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: decided to bail the other out by committing a penalty
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: like that should be called.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: If you see a penalty, you should call it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: Especially if it's blatant like that you want to tell me,
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: like the illegal contact on the near sideline when the
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: ball goes to the far sideline, that is maybe something
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: you can convince me of. When the quarterback who has
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: the ball in his hands is in the pocket and
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: gets ripped down by his face mask and his head
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: turns around the other way, that's a penalty that probably
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: should be called. Yep, ye, you know that happened in
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: the Rams Vikings game in the regular season. I wanted
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: the Rams to win. You guys know, I like the Rams.
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: I like Matthew Stafford. I'm rooting for the Rams. I
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: have nothing to try to defend Minnesota about. They probably
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: were going to lose the game anyway. But that's a penalty, yep, right,
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: Instead they give it. Not only they they didn't call it.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: They ended up with a safety. Hey, I'm sorry that
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: didn't happen thirty years ago.
• 52:07
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  Speaker 13: Pats from the Past podcast, Mat Smith Paul Prillo joined
• 53:20
  Speaker 13: by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number one
• 53:23
  Speaker 13: in our hearts at least. Rodney Harrison, How Rod How
• 53:26
  Speaker 13: you doing.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Man man?
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: I am doing great.
• 53:28
  Speaker 14: Good to be home, Good to see you guys, and
• 53:31
  Speaker 14: looking for a great Patriots game tonight.
• 53:33
  Speaker 13: How's it going with NBC?
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: Roddy, you still love it? I do. I'm very passionate
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: about it.
• 53:38
  Speaker 14: I spent twelve years in the studio and then the
• 53:41
  Speaker 14: last three years I've been out at the field location
• 53:45
  Speaker 14: and was just really extremely excited for Devin mccordy getting
• 53:48
  Speaker 14: an opportunity that he got. NBC likes Patriot guys, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 14: he's smart and he's doing a wonderful job.
• 53:55
  Speaker 9: Really proud of him.
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: Before we started here, I was actually thinking about this.
• 53:58
  Speaker 13: Here comes Rodney Harrison driving into Patriot Place, a drive
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: that you are familiar with for many, many times, but
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: you're in a different partner of your life I am.
• 54:07
  Speaker 13: When you're driving in here, Rodney, what goes through your mind?
• 54:10
  Speaker 14: Just so many great memories, Just the opportunity to be
• 54:14
  Speaker 14: able to come out here and play, and Coach Bill
• 54:17
  Speaker 14: and Robert Kraft giving me the opportunity to come out
• 54:19
  Speaker 14: here and really just be part of something special, and
• 54:22
  Speaker 14: all the great players that I played with. But also,
• 54:25
  Speaker 14: you know, just riding over here with Tony Dundee. It
• 54:28
  Speaker 14: brought up some great memories of us just kicking the
• 54:30
  Speaker 14: coach butt and just bonding together as a team, and
• 54:33
  Speaker 14: just all those hard practices in the rain, in the snow,
• 54:38
  Speaker 14: and just it gave me a greater appreciation for everything
• 54:41
  Speaker 14: that we've accomplished, because it's very difficult to do.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we were joking around just before we started.
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: My guess is that Tony's memories quite as warman fuzzy
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: as yours. You know, for a September, it couldn't be
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: a more perfect night. He was probably wondering why it's
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: not snowing as he was as he was driving in.
• 54:57
  Speaker 14: But I'll tell you this man, just talking to coach,
• 54:59
  Speaker 14: he has a lot of respect for the Patriots organization,
• 55:02
  Speaker 14: Coach Bill and everything that we've accomplished. And I mean
• 55:05
  Speaker 14: those battles were epic. You know, you're talking about going
• 55:08
  Speaker 14: against Dungee and how well prepared he had his team,
• 55:12
  Speaker 14: Peyton Manning, all the great players that they had. I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 14: I can't believe I'm fifty years old when I want brother,
• 55:19
  Speaker 14: I was, you know, twenty nine years old and now
• 55:22
  Speaker 14: I'm fifty. And just like you talked about different part
• 55:24
  Speaker 14: with kids, I got a sun that plays for the
• 55:26
  Speaker 14: University of Tennessee who got their butts kicked yesterday. But
• 55:30
  Speaker 14: it's just really nice to be back, and it's nice
• 55:33
  Speaker 14: to see you guys still, you know, talking football.
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: Appreciate that.
• 55:36
  Speaker 13: Appreciate that. So I'm gonna put you on the spot
• 55:37
  Speaker 13: a little bit here as you're waxing nostalgia. And it's
• 55:41
  Speaker 13: amazing what life. You know, it's amazing what life is.
• 55:44
  Speaker 13: But who would have ever thought fifteen years ago that
• 55:47
  Speaker 13: you and Tony Dungee would be together on a broadcast
• 55:50
  Speaker 13: and doing that that's a small world, but your lives
• 55:52
  Speaker 13: interestect like that. Do you have a favorite memory here
• 55:58
  Speaker 13: at this stadium? Obviously you want a Super in Houston,
• 56:01
  Speaker 13: you won a Super Bowl in Jacksonville, and those are
• 56:03
  Speaker 13: things that I got a believer at the pinnacle of
• 56:06
  Speaker 13: your professional football career here at you Let Rodney, is
• 56:09
  Speaker 13: there something special that you remember that that takes a
• 56:11
  Speaker 13: cake of the ultimate memory that you might have.
• 56:13
  Speaker 14: I think just I don't know, I don't remember the
• 56:16
  Speaker 14: exact game, but just when Coach Belichick, I think it
• 56:19
  Speaker 14: was when it was an AFC championship game, when he
• 56:22
  Speaker 14: gave me a big hug and said, I'm glad we
• 56:24
  Speaker 14: got you here. That was a very special moment because
• 56:28
  Speaker 14: all I ever wanted to do was make him proud
• 56:31
  Speaker 14: of me and let him know that the decision that
• 56:34
  Speaker 14: he you know, that he made bringing me here, that
• 56:37
  Speaker 14: that wasn't a bad decision, and he gave me an
• 56:40
  Speaker 14: opportunity when so many around the league kind of frowned
• 56:42
  Speaker 14: upon Rodney Harrison.
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: He believed in me.
• 56:44
  Speaker 14: He gave me a bunch of freedom where I can
• 56:46
  Speaker 14: go out there and just play and express myself. And
• 56:49
  Speaker 14: I just couldn't love a coach more than I got
• 56:53
  Speaker 14: love for Coach Belichick.
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: You talk about that freedom that he gave you, and
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you about and was one of
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: the two playoff games. I'm not sure if it was
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: three or oh four, but when you and Ty sort of.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: It must have been all three, because I don't think
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: he had three picks.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you guys kind of swapped like you were
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: kind of up in like the corner spot, like popping
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: guys and loud tie to you know, just that kind
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: of freedom. Was that something that you guys had spoken
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: about before.
• 57:15
  Speaker 14: And He's he never really questioned. He said, hey, you
• 57:18
  Speaker 14: guys kind of do what you want to do as
• 57:20
  Speaker 14: long as you're in a proper spot and you guys communicate,
• 57:23
  Speaker 14: and and that's the type of freedom that he allows
• 57:25
  Speaker 14: veteran players, guys that he trusts. We put so much
• 57:28
  Speaker 14: hard work and effort in and preparations, so when we
• 57:31
  Speaker 14: did something like that, I know he's on the sideline panicking,
• 57:34
  Speaker 14: But you know, Ty Law and I I mean to
• 57:36
  Speaker 14: be able to play with a guy like Ty, a
• 57:38
  Speaker 14: Hall of famer, you know, and Richard Seymour and Vince
• 57:41
  Speaker 14: will Fork and those guys, I mean, I had some
• 57:44
  Speaker 14: special players out in San Diego. But to be able
• 57:46
  Speaker 14: to play with some Hall of famers and some guys
• 57:48
  Speaker 14: like Willie McGinn as, Kevin Falk, Troy Brown, I mean,
• 57:52
  Speaker 14: these guys are legends. These guys are not only are
• 57:54
  Speaker 14: they brilliant football players, they're very smart people. And to
• 57:58
  Speaker 14: be able to have that opportunity was just really a blessing.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: And don't tell yourself short.
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: You had the probably the biggest pick of that game
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: when they went right down the field the first drive.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: You had the interception in the end zone. Right not
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: how that all started, Well, stepped in front of poll.
• 58:11
  Speaker 14: We all try to we all try to set the
• 58:13
  Speaker 14: tone and it's not about one player.
• 58:15
  Speaker 9: It's about the team. And you know, I can't.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: You don't know, you do.
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: I gotta mention my boy Tom Brady.
• 58:22
  Speaker 14: You know, just seeing Tom get the love that he
• 58:25
  Speaker 14: got last week coming back to the stadium and just
• 58:29
  Speaker 14: seeing how old of a man he was.
• 58:30
  Speaker 9: You see how tired that dude was.
• 58:32
  Speaker 14: He was tired breathing about TV twelve four.
• 58:36
  Speaker 13: Now look at Ruddy, I mean, you're you've got a
• 58:38
  Speaker 13: job that takes you to where were you last Sunday.
• 58:40
  Speaker 13: You're in New York right for the Giants Dallas game
• 58:43
  Speaker 13: Kansas City before that. Yeah, and I don't know if
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: you saw this. Did you see the guys on the
• 58:46
  Speaker 13: sideline that were there. You mentioned Kevin Falk earlier, Kevin
• 58:50
  Speaker 13: Fox in the front where all the former players were,
• 58:54
  Speaker 13: and he's chanting Brady Brady Bread. There's Dan, you know,
• 59:01
  Speaker 13: Kevin Fark, Drrell Reeves came back for the game. To
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: see that kind of close knit people, Rush Hochstein, you know,
• 59:09
  Speaker 13: Dan Copen. Almost of those guys coming back to just
• 59:13
  Speaker 13: want to appreciate Tom. That made somebody who's been here
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: for a long time. Made me feel good because that
• 59:18
  Speaker 13: means it's important to these people to be there.
• 59:20
  Speaker 14: And it also shows you how much of an impact
• 59:22
  Speaker 14: Tom has had, not only just on the guys that
• 59:25
  Speaker 14: he works with, you know, as far as the offense,
• 59:27
  Speaker 14: but everybody. I mean, Tom has made such an impact.
• 59:31
  Speaker 14: When I came here, we used to have lunch together.
• 59:33
  Speaker 14: We used to sit down and have conversations and just
• 59:36
  Speaker 14: talk about life, talk about perspective. And I just see,
• 59:39
  Speaker 14: you know, Tom, twenty years later, he's you can see
• 59:43
  Speaker 14: his personality. You see him smiling laughing and being the
• 59:46
  Speaker 14: genuine funny guy that we saw everybody else. Man, is
• 59:50
  Speaker 14: this guy a robot? Does he ever smile? Does he
• 59:52
  Speaker 14: have any emotion? But now since he's retired, he could
• 59:54
  Speaker 14: take a deep breath. He's gone through a lot and
• 59:57
  Speaker 14: now you know he's just living his best life.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: What has it been like? And now great moments in.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: History.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Here are my reasons why I think Mike Rousseau is
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: not an American but a sneaky Canadian. His Mike, his
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: name Mike or Michelle in Francais, Dusseau is the most
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Canadian name ever, right up there with Mario Lemieux and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Guy la Fleur. He played hockey at a high level.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: He excels at and loves the number one Canadian sport.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Most importantly, he is sneaky. He is not in your
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: face with dripping sarcasm and smart, smart alec comments. Rather,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: he comes at it Canadian style. He makes everyone think
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: he is likable and engage in, cooperative and nice and compliant,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: but in reality he is very much as snark as Paul,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: maybe more. He gives his little jabs under his breath,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: so you hear him barely, hear him like a sarcastic
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: fourteen year old getting in the last word. Last week
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: in your discussions about Fred's forthcoming cosmetic surgeries, the talk
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was on the freezing of fat and cool sculpting. Paul
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: pipes in and said it would never work for me,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: and our sneaky Canadian slips in there is not enough ice.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: So three cheers for our honorary sneaky Canadian Mike the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Stark from the Great White North.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: That. That rejoint tickled Mike yourself pretty good, like a joke.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: I remember that one, Paul, Sorry about that.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: I don't I don't remember that joke, and I don't
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: remember you having cosmetic procedures.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that either. What was I talking about?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know you're talking about cool sculpting? Oh right, right,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: but I didn't have it.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good, good rocket shot you're tooking me.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: But I don't remember you saying it, and I don't.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Remember that anything.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: It was a spot on takedown of me, though, I
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: mean credit whoever brought that in. That was great.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: Sneaky Deuce.
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• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: Oh you mean when you went for fifty six?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: I'm still arguing, might you might be able to say
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: they want a Game seven on the road?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: They won Game six in Milwaukee, having a Celtics argument
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: on that, and then they weren't underdogs. Paul doesn't like
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: the Celtics and Evan does, Oh that's not true. No,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: that's you like the Celtics. Jake and Chicago.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: What I don't get difference?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Jake in Chicago writes in I'm fully on Friends Give
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: thanks to Matty p Train. Highly recommend listening to him
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: on Julian's podcast recently. Lots of insight and behind the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: scenes talk. Just a smart guy who loves football. The
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: OC thing might have been an experiment gone bad, but
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: listening to him talkball and his understanding of how Bill operates,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: you start to get the method to the madness and ps.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: If Paul could get through the email read without a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: snarky comment. I'll donate to his Toyota cam Re fund
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: or buy lunch for the crew his choice.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you think he did it?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: No, it was fantastic.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: He obviously knows me well, because you know what. The
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: first thing in my mind was, I don't have a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: spare day to listen to it.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: It was like three fars.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Evan and I both managed to chip away at it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: But no, it was it was.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: It was really good.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: I listened to it on the on the plane ride
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: home the other day and it was really good.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: It was good. It was really good.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: Anything you learn, I wouldn't say it was like groundbreaking
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: in terms of that kind of stuff, but it was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: just cool. Behind the scenes stories were really cool. And
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of cutups of it on Twitter too
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: as well if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: But I think the number one thing that you do
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: learn is like he's kind of a cool guy, Like
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: you know, he's he's pretty fun, like you could tell
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: why people would, you know, like Bill would would enjoy
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: being around him and kind of a cool hand. Yeah, guy,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: I didn't have an.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: It's no doubt he's smart.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he knows Paul I thought his Uh, the coolest
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: part I would say was the him talking about his
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: play calling process on defense, on defense and just like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: kind of how situation, game plan, opponent, like all that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: stuff goes in and how he would sort of go
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: about it. And he mentioned who's the cornerbacks coach? He
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: mentioned Josh Boyer was Yeah. He said that he was
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: his eye in the sky up in the in the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: booth and was the best, added as anyone that he
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: had ever worked with that identifying the personnel for the opponent.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: So he would call down from you know, they're an
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: eleven personnel, here's the five you know, skilled players, and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: then Maddy p would make a call based off of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: what grouping and all that kind of stuff that they
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: were in. And he said he was the best that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: he's ever had.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Interest.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: But I know you're getting the emails. Just wanted to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: add a couple of things that I don't think we
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: touched on this week. You know, some more news in
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: terms of the coaching staff. Oh yeah, Hot Downing reportedly
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: will be the wide receivers coach. Another guy with ties
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: to Rabel was eventually Vrabel's last offensive coordinator. I think
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: in Tennessee.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Seems to be a very intense guy.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he had some issues, I know, and he also
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: I think was passing game coordinator maybe with the Jets
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: at some point. So reportedly he will be the wide
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: receivers coach. And I don't know if we talked last
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: week about Ben mcadoo's staying.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I heard him all of this.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: You know, all of the other than the coordinators themselves,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: the three Cord Greg Bard, friend of the show, Greg
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: Bdard had a little chart with all the coaching staff
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: in it, defensive assistant for Ben McAdoo, which I thought
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: was interesting, senior defensive assistant or something like that.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Chris Sims was on with uh I think Phil Perry
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: from the Super Bowl and no, it was with Tom
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Curry and Chris Sims. He's the one came out before
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: the draft and said that Drake May is a coach
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: killer is is that he the one that knows? But
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: he had a really good he was down May. So
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: he came in and did a Maya culpa and said,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: lookten I was wrong all these things that I saw,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the feet were footwork, the accuracy, it all
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: got corrected, So I was wrong. But if that's true
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: that his initial analysis was accurate but it got corrected.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Who gets the credit for that? And is that why
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: maybe they kept Ben McAdoo because maybe he was involved.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: I would say, Drake May, but that's me.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Somebody was helping him.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, now it's vam Pelt, I would say. I mean,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: if they moved McAdoo to the defensive side of the ballet,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: didn't I mean, if they kicked him as like the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks coach. Maybe, But it.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: Sounds like what Ben mcadoo's gonna do what Rabel did
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: last year in Cleveland, which is like reverse engineer things
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: for the defense, Like if I was game planning against
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: our defense, this is what I would do offensively, and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: then that way there he can help the defense, the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: scout team, that kind of stuff set them up for
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: success that way. But I do wonder what the footwork
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: stuff like, you know, I don't know what Josh's philosophies
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: are on like left foot forward, which was a big
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: Alex van Pelt West Coast thing. If Drake May says
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: to him, I feel really comfortable with it. This way,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: the way that they taught me last year, it was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: better for me. It worked like, do they then adjust
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: and change everything to mimic left foot forward and be
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: able to still do that kind of thing. I'm sure
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: Ben mcadou could help them with that process as well
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: of streamlining just the two offenses and kind of getting
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: them on the same page. Schramatically.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking, who had one of the questions
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: in the mailbag this week was about the footwork and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: any concerns that you know, losing Alex van Peltz. You know,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: maybe he deserves some of the credit to answer your
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: original question for Drake May. And one of the things
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: you talked about was the left foot forward thing, and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: I do think that's relevant the whole however they want
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: to I personally think of footwork with Drake May. I
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: don't think Chris Simms was talking about how he lines
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: up to take the snap out of the shotgwn with
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: what foot forward? Now, I think he's talking about his
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: throwing mechanics and how where his feet are when he's throwing,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: when he's on and off platform, when he's leaving the part.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: I think that's the kind of footwork that I saw
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: a lot of. Now, I'm not dismissing what Evan's talking about.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: There's something too that left foot forward that has importance.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: I just would think that once you do it, you
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: have that like how you're going to align is sort
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: of how you're going to align. But I do think
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: your mechanics can get sloppy when you're not necessarily drilling
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: your footwork all the time. I do think there's a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: minor concern that if he's not, you know, treated with
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: the same amount of level of detail. I don't really
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: worry about that with Josh McDaniels because I think he'll
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: have that. Yeah, I think, you know, I think Josh
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: has shown his ability to to you know, mine the derd.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: Well, he's been a quarterback guy. Ye, Like, he's really
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: been the quarterback coach while being the offensive coordinator. He's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: always had an assistant, you know, like the Chaplinsky's of
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: the world and the Bowheart degrees. But he's been the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: quarterback coach really since he's been the offensive coordinator.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Christ in New Hampshire, I've never been more certain of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: anything in my life. The Chiefs are going to win
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: the fixes in or the football gods have decided, or
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: whatever cliche you prefer. I bet my entire savings, my cars,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: my house, and my children, but my wife won't let me.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: So he is convinced that the fix is in. The
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Chiefs will win.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: I hope not.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Chiefs may win, but just because they're better.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: I just think it's the way people have sort of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: tried it. Well, they're not really very good. It's just fixed,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: like that's how you're making yourself feel better.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Sam from Saint Catharine's what allows me to sleep soundly
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: at night with all these Chiefs for his Patriots debates
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: is a simple fact that when the lights were brightest
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: in championship games and Super Bowl, Brady to and over, Mahomes,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Gronk too and over, as Kelsey and Belichick two and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: over as Andy Reid, and those numbers will never change.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: In fact, yep, let's Bill gets back in the league.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: True, but those are facts.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: Yep, that happened.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Let's see Tanaka writ sin last week, there was a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: discussion about the chip and the ball and using it
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: to determined ball placements and first downs. The issues you
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: discussed was questioning if the it could be seen by
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: RF lasers or other means. As a rocket scientist, really so,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: this person truly is a rocket scientist, You are looking
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: at it all wrong. The chip in the ball needs
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: to contain inertial sensors similar to ones than iPhones and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: other common devices, only a bit more accurate like the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: ones in rockets, which provide telemetry data. The ball would
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: be able to determine from original placement on the down
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: which direction moved and by how much and when it
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: was at that position. It is accomplished via multidirectional AC accelerometers.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: The ball simply transmits this information via a Bluetooth type signal.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: This would eliminate all of the issues with not being
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: able to see the ball and know where the placement
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: should be. These chips are quite small, and newer versions
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: can withstand one thousand G forces. I'm sure that this
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: has already been looked at by the League. If not,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: this rocket Scientist is very disappointed in their technical staff.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's a technology.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Problem, it's a money problem. But but chips on their
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: own do they have their own power?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: How do you know when the knees down?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think that's right. So I was listening
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: to a podcast chips, Yeah, right, I have chips in
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: the knee, right, right, But I was listening to a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: podcast where I don't think it's I think that they
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: figured that piece of it out. They had these balls
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: in the one of the spring leaks, I can't remember
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: which one, but they are it as a exploratory thing.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: Well, there's a chip in the NFL ball.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: So the problem is is that and I think this
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: is what the emailer is getting at. The whole ball
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: needs to be covered in the chips. So one of
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: those footballs is five hundred dollars for one of the footballs.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: So now when you think about, you know, across the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: league all season long, how many football is the NFL
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: goes through And at the end of the day, we're
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: talking about maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars spent every
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: single year. And I know everybody says, oh, it's a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: ten billion dollar industry. Who the heck cares these people care?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: These greedy people.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: I don't doubt at all. Like the technology exists, yeah,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: I just don't know how it works, like in terms,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: not the technology like in practice.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: But to have those accelerometers and all that stuff in
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: an iPhone. iPhone has a battery, this power going through
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: the phone which controls all that. I just wonder how
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: a chip has its own power gott.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: To charge your footballs up before every game you plug them.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: This is from a cost perspective.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: I think it is really one of the best that
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: could be the simplest answer.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: Couldn't spike it anymore.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: I just think there's still some things to be ironed
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: out that they haven't that no one's really explained to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: me how that worked. Like the ball I get has
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: a chip in it, and they know where the where
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: the chip is when the whistle, like, but where is
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: the ball spotted? It's the same thing that you said earlier,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: And you disagree with me that you think it's it's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: harder than I'm giving it credit for to know where
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: the knee is, where the ball is right or whatever.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: Chip doesn't alleviate that problem. Yeah, I don't think.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: What is the first thing that touched the ground to
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: cause him being down and then where was the ball
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: at that time? You know, it's it's tough.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, match it up.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Hector in Pennsylvania, and I'm glad he's writing in because
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I heard this trade scenario and it just I just laugh.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: He's from Pennsylvania. Loves his shift on listener back when
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: it was PFW. Prigress had Andy Hart, which, by the way,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I do miss. But would you trade for Miles Garrett?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: And if so, would you give up a second round
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: pick as well as Joe Milton to acquire Garrett?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: You need a lot more to give.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: That would allow the Browns to use their first round
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: pick to go after talent as opposed to a quarterback,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: and would allow the first pick from the Patriots to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: acquire Will Campbell or perhaps go after Abdul Carter. Even Okay,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I've heard this before, Joe Milton.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: You've heard someone say that the Patriots could get Miles
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: Garrett for a second round pick.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: And Joe Milton right, a second round pick. Yeah, one,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: why would the Browns do that?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 14: So?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: And and this person's going the next step saying that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: now the Browns have their starting quarterback with Joe Milton.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: You don't believe that, Paul, do they.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: How many points they scored there?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: It's not about.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: So for anybody. And but he was subscribing to that scenario.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Second round go look at what it costs to get
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Khalil Mack, and Miles Garrett is better than Khalil Mack.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 7: You know, I am always interested about these trades though,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: because it doesn't usually end up being as much as
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: you think it's going.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: To make, No, especially when a guy is adamant about
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: demanding the trade. Sometimes that lowers the price because they're
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: desperate and they have to get to move.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: And I'd also say, like it matters where in the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 7: first round the picks are coming from. Like I think
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: one team that's been floated is the Lions just to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 7: kind of get them over the top to go out
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: and get But if the Lions know that they're going
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: to be picking thirty second in the draft for the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: next two years because they now have Miles Garrett and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: they're going to win the Super Bowl, that's a lot
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: different than the Patriots trading their first round picks for
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: Miles Garrett. So you know it's just because they might
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: get technically two first round picks for him. It might
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: be two first round picks from a team that is
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: expecting to be picking in the thirties, you know, in
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: the first round. That's not the same thing.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: Folow. Yeah, I've heard Buffalo thrown out there a lot.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: Dere I've heard it thrown out there, like those two
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: teams that are probably different. The bottom of the first round,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: not number four.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Kyle from Pembroke has a would you rather game? And
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: before you asked Paul, why does it have to be
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: one of the other, it's because that's the point of
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: I love games. What do you make it? This is
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: I'm your audience, bro, I love your game.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Would you rather draft Carter at four or trade four
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: for Miles Garrett?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: Carter?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: Draft Carter at four?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you want the the upside.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: No, I don't have really a lot of faith that
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: Carter will be a better player than Miles Garrett. But
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: Miles Garrett is thirty twenty nine. I'll take a guy
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: who might be a big part of my team when
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: I'm good.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: Again, say, even if Carter isn't as good all around
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: as Garrett, he's going to bring something important to the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: table where he can get after the quarterback a little bit.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's unrealistic to expect him to sight unseen
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: to be defensive player of the year.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Can't, right, right?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: I Mean obviously you hope that, but that's hard to
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 6: just pencil in for a kid who's never played it down.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: But you'd rather use the draft pick on Carter than
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: trade for Garrett.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I probably would too, think about it though.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I love gettr but I would I mean two signed T.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Higgins to a large, maybe overpay contract, or draft McMillan
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: at four.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: T T Higgins Higgins.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay again twenty five as opposed to twenty nine.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Trade down to swap first and get a Day two pick,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: or draft Will Campbell at four.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: Trade down to get her first.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: Get a day two pick.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: So oh wait, so you get you get the first
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: and you get a day two pick.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: So you're not getting a first How far down you're
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: swapping with somebody and you're getting a Day two pick?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: How far down am I going?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I can't answer it.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: But I have to take Will Campbell at four?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, take the.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: Trade, Yeah, I might take how down and going?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: Okay, but I don't want Will Campbell at four.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: I don't mind Will Campbell, but I might.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: You know, I might be being stubborn about that.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Get rid of the Pro Bowl or get rid of
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: holiday games, midweek games.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: Oh I missed that one.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: So you can get rid of the or get rid
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: of the midweek or holiday games, holiday midweek pro.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: I would say, the holiday midweek. I don't care about
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: the Pro Bowl anyway. That doesn't know.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: I like the I like the holiday games, don't there's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: no dry football. I watch it every week.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: I do too.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: Well, we don't have we don't really we don't really
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: get to like watch a lot of non Patriots football
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: during the season, so I I like watching it.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Floyd and Michigan. Some recent mock drafts of
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: the Patriots drafting Mason Graham, which I'm okay with. I
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: like Ted McMillian. McMillan, but he is the number fifteen
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: rated player on Daniel Jeremiah's player rankings. Will Campbell is
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: the number eight rated player in his ranking, plus too
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: many comments about him possibly being the guard for me
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: to be okay with drafting me at number four. Too
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: many people seem to ignore the value of the number
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: four pick. No reaching, But the problem is the number
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: four pick is more valuable in some other years when
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: you have better high end talent. This year, the number
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: four pick isn't that valuable.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you, yeah, someone's good, someone's gonna get
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: taken four, that doesn't mean that they're worthy of the
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: fourth overall pick. So like you have to sort of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: talk yourself into what is the lesser of two evils
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: if you don't have an opportunity to take Carter or Hunter,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: because I think those two guys are probably worth the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: fourth pick.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: I'm not a big Mason Graham guy. Not because I
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: don't think his tape is good. I do. I just
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: I'm not really I don't see the value like I'm
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: I guess I'm just missing where like what's the what's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: the vision of building the.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: Team Barmore if they don't know if Barmore can play anymore.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I've heard many people say you build from the inside out.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but now we're building really from the inside. It
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: kind of like reminds me of like what Washington did
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: all those years ago where they drafted like four first
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: round defensive tackles in a row, all from Alabama. It's
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: just I just don't see what. I don't see moving
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: the needle, Like, I just don't He's not gonna finish sacks,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 7: so he's not He's not that type of player. He's
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: a disruptor.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: He's not warn sack.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's he's a disruptor, just like kind
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: of like bar More. You know, like he's he's gonna
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: wreck games, but I don't think he's going to be
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: the one getting him on the ground. I get the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: interior pressure, I get all that. I just I don't know.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: I just don't think that it's enough A good run
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: stopper he is, but I wouldn't say it's his strength.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: On the way to the quarterback.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, he reminds me a lot of Brandon
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: Fiskey with the rams, Like I think that that's his
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: ideal roll three technique get up the field calls him
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: Fiskey pronunciation.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: I I know how it's spelled, but it's usually it's
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: pronounced fisk.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: I think it's fisky, friskysy.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: I think it's fisk.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I just I'm not crazy about it. Like
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: i'd much I'd much rather compliment bar More with an
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: edge rusher with somebody coming, if you're gonna go pass rush, like,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: I'd much rather be off the edge. I just who's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: getting the quarterback on the ground.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're talking my language. That's in the same kind
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: of thoughts that I've been thinking about him, because he's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: a good player. But like you said, I mean, if
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: bar Moore is good to go. It's a little bit
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: too redundant. I would also just say, with all the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: conversation around Will Campbell, who I really like, I mean,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be a good player. I just
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: think they need to sew up something with the offensive
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: line and free agency. I just don't think even if
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: you take Will Cambell with four, I still think you're
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: putting a lot of You're a lot of hope on
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: that one player being able to fix as a rookie
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: at a position that a lot of people aren't even
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: sure he can play like. I don't want to wait
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: till that point to feel like we solidified the offensive line. I'm,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: you know, seeing Steve Palazzola, who we know a little
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: bit from PFF, saying you just need the offensive line
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: to be okay, just to not suck. And I kind of.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Agree with that notion.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: That's me.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: I was stunned. And as Evon pointed out, he's kind
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: of one of the analytics guys.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: That's why I wonder I feel without Hunter or Carter
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: at four, I really am. I'm kind of torn. I'm
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: kind of torn on what to do. I don't like
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: that much.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: And then I could talk into Will Campbell, but.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: I can talk myself into it.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: I just like to get there and be like, we've
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: got a left.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: Tackle right now, but I would like to sign a
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: veteran tackle and draft Will Campbell or Kelvin Bank Aleric Jackson.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Aler Jackson's a great one. I mean, or just
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: you know, let's wait till day two and get a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: right tackle. Like, let's not you know what I mean,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: Let's sign Jackson. He's a solid player. Fine, get another
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: developmental guy in day two. Uh, you know that maybe
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: he's going to play the right side. And I mean,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: I also just think like, even as bad as last
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: year was, I think we're better coaching. Even if they
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: had to bring back some of those, like one of
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: the right tackle guys, like they could probably figure it out.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: And that's just saying without even before the draft, get
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: more bodies. But I just I think I don't think
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: they can get to the draft and be like, let's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: find all our answers to the offensive line. I think
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: they've got to fix that or at least feel like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: they've made some solid steps in free agency.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: But I just would feel very good if they don't
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: have two guys two different starting tackles next.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: Year after yeah, after after after the draft team.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: I don't care when. Just next year, I want two
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: different guys starting at tack.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: I would. I think you sign ideally signed to veteran
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: starters in free agency. Not necessarily Joe Thomas, like a
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: you're not going to get that guy, but just two
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: veteran starters in free agency, whether their guards or tackles,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: just so that you have that those kind of spots
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 7: exactly shops for nobody's just gonna but like it doesn't
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 7: have to be Tray Smith, Like you don't have to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: go pay twenty million dollars a year for a guard,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: but just some serviceable NFL offensive lineman a lot, you know,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: can we keep bringing it up, but a lot like
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: what Washington? Did you know they brought in just functional guys,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: you know? Uh, and then you bring those guys in.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: I'm higher. I guess maybe on Will Campbell at four
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: than other people. I don't see the knee jerk necessity
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: to move him inside immediately. I think he can make
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: it at tackle. I think he's plenty athletic enough to
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: play tackle in the NFL. I just I always come
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: back to if you played tackle, at a really really
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: high level in that conference against that competition. Now all
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: of a sudden, he's not He's going to be in
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: over his head at tackle, Like I just don't necessarily
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: see that. Like he's going up against NFL rushers almost
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: every week at Alabama.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: Isaiah wins online too.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: So Isaiah was extremely undersized.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: So totally understand he played at a high level in
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: that conference.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: Sure, but Isaiah was undersized for an NFL offensive lineman.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: Will Campbell give you an example to potentially have.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Some short staying on the offensive line theme. Patriots bringing
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Doug Maroon, who is supposedly a good offensive line coach.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Then we hear a story yesterday that Dante Scarnecia could
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: be around, you know.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: If they need him.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Is that an indication that maybe they might be drafting
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Will Campbell and you could have his own private coach
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: to make sure that he works out.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: No, to be honest, I didn't really know what to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: make of those reports, Like its just it kind of
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: feels like we really promise we're going to take care
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: of this really, No, seriously, though, we're gonna bring Dante back.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: We know he's We're a lack of brain power, right,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: we know he's working wood mostly now, but he's gonna
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: come back for He's gonna moonlight. He's gonna audit some
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: classes and and help us out. Like I just I
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: don't really, I'm not really in save us Dante Scarnecia
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: mode anymore. I think, you know, I'd be great to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: have him around a little bit, but I'm not going
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: to rely on him to be.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: The one anti Tom Brady anti greatest position for of all.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: Interesting, Well, Doug Maron's here or reportedly going to be
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: the offensive line coach, and then the assistant offensive line
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: coach has also run a room before. I can't pronounce
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 7: his his last name, totally, totally, totally, I say it.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I think, so that's what we're thinking. It's that.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: So he's he's also been a head offensive line coach too,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: So you really have two guys that have experience of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: coaching the offensive line. And then Josh is really good
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: with protections and the schematics of working the offensive line,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: not necessarily technique, but in terms of the x's and o's.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: So do they really have a lot of brain power
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: already invested in I.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: Had one person come in today and said, you know,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: last year they were making fun of us because we
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: had too much inexperience. Now they're making fun of us
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: because we have too many chefs in the kitchen. Are
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: people saying that?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: People are saying there's too many chefs in the too many.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Chefs in the kitchen when he cooks?
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, is that in relation there's too many head coaches?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it's too many cooks in the kitchen.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: It might be too many personalities, too many strong personalities.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's necessarily. I don't think that. I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: think they have a perfect amount of coaches to I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: think it's more in line with Bill did, which I
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: always agreed with. Less is more, But I don't think
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: it's less. I think it's typical of what other teams do.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: The Patriots last year, I believe, had double what they
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: have right now. That I'm not that's too many cooks
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: in the kitchen.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean guys running around cooks. But I
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: think it's specifically, you got a lot of head coaches
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: who would you would think have a lot of strong opinions,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: and how is that going to all mix.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: That's a concern to me, is that one thinks this
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: is the way the offense should run well. And that's
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: not necessarily that Josh McDaniel's things, But that's.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Where Rabel comes in. Rabel has to put the fist
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: down and say, listen, when we make a decision, that's
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: it all. We're all on board and there's no second guessing.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: We go forward as a team.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: So that's that's to me is a big reason why
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not that concerned. I mean, had it been a
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: first time head coach with a lot of head coaches
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: around him, then I think that it's a recipe for
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: this guy doesn't know what he's doing, you know that
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: that kind of thing. But I just think the way
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: I mean I saw, I think it was Taylor maybe
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: interviewed Steve Spagnola with the at the thing last night
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: talking about how much respect he has for Vrabel, I
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: just I think a lot of coach he's kind of
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: one of those coaches, coach kind of guys. I think
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: a lot of people respect him around league, and I
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: I just I think he's going to have the personality
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: to keep a handle on all that stuff and be
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: able to let people do their job without feeling like,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: you know, they're coming to him.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Cynthia is not happy with us. Oh Cynthia about last week,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: she said, worst episode this week? Hearing the fashion shaming
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: of Taylor switch, can we focus on something important like
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: football instead of women bashing other women? Low moment? Pu
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: sounded like elementary school mean girls, and that is not
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: just Alex and Tamara. Mike sounded like the closet to
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: an adult, like the closest to an adult, think and
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: not that close and not for very long. I don't
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: care if you like her or don't. We're better than that.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 7: Wow, this guy's.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: Way, I just dig care music.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: I think the one thing I said was I wasn't
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: aware there was a rant against her fashion. I wasn't
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: aware of that. I thought, I don't know that was
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: considered to be like a shot at She really enjoys herself.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: By the way we talk about everybody's fashion on this show.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: I didn't because I didn't know it was a thing. Fortunately,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: the women that I hear talking.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: About it fashions, I'm not here to defend themselves.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: I didn't know either. Got to plead ignorance on this thing.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: We have a right, we have a right to our opinions.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: And she has a right to complain about them.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 9: What is that bad that you're wearing?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: And Hart that was having like a big dartmouth window
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: or something.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: I actually went home that night and I talked to
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: Beth about it a little bit. I was like, is
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: there a thing like where women don't think that Taylor
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: Swift has any fashion sense or anything like that? And
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: she was not really. Now we're a little older, you know,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: so maybe we're not as Yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Wow, we can't all be the Grammys with the castle
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: on his head?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: That was Jayden Smith.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was a rough roof. Is that
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: is that all? I don't know if that is that allowed.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: Too much entanglement?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: Is that allowed to criticize that?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: Like yeah, because I thought that was ridiculous.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like it was being punished.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: How did you be sitting behind him?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 7: I know his mom's kind of crazy.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: Your castle, Oh don't don't don't do that.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: She's a little crazy.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, I just didn't realize that that was a
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: big thing. And Taylor Switch, Now.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: I would say I didn't know that either. With her,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: it's her dancing that gets a lot of a lot
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: of flat.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: She's a singer songwriter. Yeah, that's normally it's there was
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: a debate in our department, like two people were going
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: at it between Beyonce and h Taylor Swift who was better,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: and like it was starting to get a little heated.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: I had to like kind of get in there. Oh
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: ho ho yeah, yeah heated. I'm breaking up up and
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: the one person was starting to get his or her
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: feelings hurt.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: Oh it was good.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: That was good.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 6: Good right there? Give us a damn yeah.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: So I but like people really did, I said, I moderated,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: and I said, listen, Taylor Swift is a singer, songwriter.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Beyonce is not Beyonce vocals and dancing. That's what Taylor
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: Swift did. They're both they both have something the other doesn't.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: I hate it. That's such a balance.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: And then I said, and they said, well, who has
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: had the biggest influence overall? I said, well, I will
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: make the comparison to the Patriots and the Chiefs. I said,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: I said, right now, if you had to stop today,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: if Taylor Swift never produced another song, you would say, overall,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Beyonce had the bigger influence. But Taylor Swift is on
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: track to surpass her if she keeps doing it.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: I think she might already surpassed her, to be honest,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. Taylor Swift seems like a
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: globe phenomenal, already did the country thing, the like of
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: Wi the likes, and.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: They both kind of reinvented themselves, you know, over time.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: But you know, so like everybody, haas entitled to their
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: own opinion, especially when it comes to art and music
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: and entertainment.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 7: I do like your your take is I would say
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: vocal beyon Oh yeah, I think Beyonce is more talented.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: I think Taylor Swift not.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: When it comes to songwriting.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: It depends what you consider. It's like the athletic traits
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: that you consider.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think she's.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: She's like I give credit to what I give credit
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: to any entertainer that writes their own songs these days.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: You know, that's what she does.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: She also writes songs for other people a lot of.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: So that's a talent that Beyonce doesn't have.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: Fair you know, But I mean Beyonce is like irreplaceable.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: I mean it's a song.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's there's no there's no right or wrong.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: There's no right or wrong. Paul another Paul Uh talking
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: about the coaching hires. Please provide insight into the hir
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: rings of Doug Moron and Todd Downing. Our O line
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: and wide receiver rooms maybe the worst in the league
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: and clearly need both talent and coaching. Moron was run
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: out of Alabama and was ineffective, to say the least
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans. Downing has never specifically coached wide receivers
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: and has excelled at literally nothing in his twenty years
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: as a coach. These were two of the most important
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: hires aside from the coordinators, and both leave a lot
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: to be desired, that is, Paul.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know about that. With Doug Moron. I mean,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: I understand that there's some people that feel that way
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: about his endings in those places, but he's a pretty
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: wildly respected offensive line coach.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: That's what I thought.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: Oh, I got a couple decades slapped around last week
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: for that. No, I think that that's ill informed by
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: the people, So I.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: Would say, I mean, we did talk about this a
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: little bit just now. Todd Downing, I'm a little I
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 6: think that's an odd hire to me. Like I know,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: like Mike Reese had written and speculated a little bit
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: about Wes Welker to him last week.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: I wonder if that's still a possibility.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: Todd Downing to me, hasn't really been very effective, and
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: I know he's not gonna be calling plays, and that's
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: what he was criticized the most war But Marone I
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: feel better about as an offensive line coach than evidently most.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: The criticism Evan when you were gone was that he
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 6: hasn't really been known to develop offensive lineman. He's not necessarily.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: I'm always that I always thought he was just what
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: you said.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: Was he not able to develop offensive lineman or were
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: the guys picking the groceries for him not giving him well?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: The argument in New Orleans was that I think it's
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: Ruiz has really developed since he left.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that's why you bring in Dante Garnekia
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: to do the individual development.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: I just think a guy like Doug Moron has a
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: really good reputation.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: He does and Bill Bill loved him in a.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 7: Really strong rep tation across coaching, uh big, really good
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: friend with Bill O'Brien, and so that he has some
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: adjacent experience in this kind of system with Bill O'Brien.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: I just I don't have any worries at all about
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 7: Doug Maroon. The Todd Downing hired seems to me to
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: be more like he's going to be like the high
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: level teaching the concepts of the offense, because it is
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: a very conceptual, uh, you know, heavy offense in terms
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 7: of the mental load on receivers. So I looked at
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: him as more of a guy that's going to come
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: in and teach the plays and teach the concepts of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 7: the offense. So I wonder if Wes Welker is still
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: in play as an assistant to come in and actually
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: teach the wide receiver elements, you know, releases, top of
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: the route, you know that that sort of technique kind
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: of things. I would think that maybe they're still higher.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: Dont forget the adjustment, you know, it's it's two different things,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: right Like, it's you know, like the past game as
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: a whole and then all and then teaching technique of
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: wide receiver routes and things like that. And I wonder
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 7: if there's another hire still to come in terms of that.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: What's going on in that coaching staff? John says, supposedly
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Evan knows ball, why is he pushing Travis Hunter rather
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: than a left tackle. The passing game does not improve
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: without a franchise left tackle, and there are no franchise
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: left tackles and free agency.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: When did I say that?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: Are you pushing Travis Hunter over Will Campbell?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: Ask me?
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: After the combine rearly, the combine makes that much of
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: a difference to you.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 7: His arm light makes a major difference. If Will Campbell
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: has he stretches those babies out and we get to
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: thirty three inches, I'm in if he's going to be
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 7: at thirty two and one eighth he's a guard.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: But shouldn't the tape tell you more of the fact
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: that he wasn't the first strike guy? And you know,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: because that's what I read that he's not the kind
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: of guy who can you know, win on that first strike.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: He has to But if hitting with his fet which
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: is fine, if he has the requisite you can overcome it.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: Though if he does have the requisite length and maybe
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: he's just not getting the proper coaching to maximize his
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: length and maximize that element, you know, it doesn't matter
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 7: to me honestly right now, I just I need to
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: see where we're at with the combine. I understand there's
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 7: a lot of interest in the draft. It's very very early,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: like there's a long way to go. We still don't
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: have measurements on all these guys, which I do think
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: matters for the line. There's a lot of interviews, there's
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: a lot of pro days, there's a lot of combine,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of things to start.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: If he measures as a tackle, you would say Will Campbell, Yeah,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: so I would just as a In your defense, I
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: think you have been high on Will Campbell, probably higher
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: than Mike and ild Yeah. I just there's one thing
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: I want to push back on, not necessarily this email,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: but there was a premise here. We got something similar
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: in a mail bag question this week, the idea that
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: you take one guy over another because that one guy
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: that you don't want to take isn't going to be
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: the difference in making you significantly. But no one guy
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 6: is going to turn this around. Right, So if you
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: think that it's more important to build the offensive line first, great,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not gonna argue with you. You might
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: be right if you think taking the wide receiver first,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: or an edge rusher for whatever it is. You know,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: one of the question we've got in the mailbag was
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 6: Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter on last year's team wouldn't
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 6: have significantly improved the record. Yeah, I agree, it wouldn't have,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: but that's not why I don't take them. Is Abdul
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: Carter better than my options?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 6: Then I want to take them because my idea is
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: don't overthink it. My idea is I'm going to take
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: somebody at four. Who's going to take me from four
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: to thirteen to thirteen and four. That's not going to happen.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: One guy is not going.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: To do that.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: It's one step at a time.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: The idea is to accumulate as many talented players as
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: as they can. Because I think you're the same guy
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: that we talked about with the offensive line, Steve Palizzolo.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 6: I think is that my pronouncing that correctly? He No,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: he's I think he's independent third team. Okay, he's the
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: one that had the line about you know, you just
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: need the offensive line not to be bad, right, So
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: that that's where he was coming from. But they asked
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: him to rate the roster and he estimates it's bottom
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 6: three in the league talent wise. One guy's not going
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: to fix that, right, So if you think, well, we
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: got to take Will Campbell because you can't have it.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: Tom to parrot this email, you can't have a passing
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: game without a left tackle. Well, you can't have one
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: with no wide receivers either, right, And even if you
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: have great protection, those guys aren't going to be all
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 6: that great because they're not great players. You need playmakers,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: you need good protection, you need guys that can get
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: out to the passer, you need everything.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: Don't overthink it when the guy's there that can help you,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: and he's the best guy available. Take.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: And I don't think you're wrong for suggesting that Will
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: Campbell makes more sense than Travis Hunter. I'm not arguing
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: with that. That might be act that I might feel
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: the same way. If Evan's right about Will Campbell's ability
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: to play tackle, he could sway me. And you guys
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: know I don't generally get swayed, but that mentality could
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: sway me. I just don't think that that automatically means
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: my offense is better now because I have a left tackle.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: That's part of it. That's how you get better by
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 6: getting better players.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 7: I would say the only guy that I am pretty
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 7: much had no on right now for is Tech McMillan, like,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: that's pretty much the only guy that I would say
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: it would be disappointed, Like even Mason Graham, like I
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: wouldn't love it, but I could see the player. I
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: can see the talent and the idea of the player.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: Ted McMillan is the only guy that I'd sit here
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 7: today and I'm like at four. Note, I just.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: Want to be confident in the fact that whoever they take,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: they think is the best player, whether it's Mason Graham
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: or Travis Hunter or Abdull Carter or Will Campbell, whoever.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: And if you think McMillan's not in that category.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 7: Fine, I think it's those Fine.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: I just wanted to be confident that whatever guy that
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: they pick, they're one convinced is the best of those
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: four players.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: Yep, I think it's those four. I think those four
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: guys right now are the ones that I would say
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 7: or are really the group that I would consider the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: draft four. Now, if they trade down, that obviously expands
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: the group, but those four, and you know, I'll still
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: say it. I think Campbell can play tackle. I think
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 7: that Travis Hunter can play wide receiver, and I would
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 7: play them at wide receiver.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, speaking Fresna, I wonder if we'll have another consequential
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: holding episode as we've had in the past three Super Bowls.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: He's talking about penalties holding penalties in the Super Bowl.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's fixed, but there at least seems
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: to be a pattern of utter incompetence. Three years ago,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: it was the phantom hold of Cup on third and
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: goal to give the Rams a winning score late in
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter, a total makeup for the t Higgins face
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: mask of Ramsey coming out of halftime. Rams win. Two
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: years ago was the phantom holding call on James Bradbury
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: on third and eight late in the fourth quarter, Chiefs win.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: And then it's switched up last year when the Zebras
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: elected not to call a million holes by Donovan Smith
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: and Jawan Taylor Chiefs win.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: I don't know those are my favorites.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: It's I'm sorry to think though, it's impossible that this
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: game is going to go by without people.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: This is why, because regardless of the out regardless of
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: the outcome, this is good. It's if they don't call it,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: it's they let it go. So if that's the premise,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: then I kind of agree with Feliger. There's no way
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 6: that the referees can win. Like if you're going to
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: complain when they call it, and then complain when they
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 6: don't call it, what do you like, they can't win.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 6: And if you think it's fixed, it's fixed. I mean
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: I can't. No one can convince you it's not fixed.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: Like that's Jim Murray. Like Jim Murray legitimately.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: He legitimately, he doesn't legitimately.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: He legitimately thinks it's fixed. I'm just telling you he
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 6: thinks these shots the bit part of it. Oh how
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: about the story about the the MLB umpire yesterday? Oh yeah,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 6: oh no, I know it's impossible for it to be fixed.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: Like this is where like these guys, this is how what.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Was he doing?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: He was can make an access to he had a
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 7: sports book account.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: I don't think they found any actual bets.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: Oh of course they haven't. But just like Tim Donaghie
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 6: didn't have any.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 7: But he has an account with one of the sports books.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 6: And contact with someone who had access to this account
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: or something like that. Like this is again, I don't
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: If you're asking me, gun to my head, do I
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 6: think these games are fixed? I'm going to say no,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: but I don't just miss out of hand these possibilities.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: I said it before one did you get to these people?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: One of the things these sports books have to do today.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: No more under prop bets.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's going on.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: It's too easily to manipulate the under rip terror. Just
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: I'm hurt. I can't play anymore. So you know, no
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: more under prop bets. Just eliminate them. Period.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: You heard the Terriers thing.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I know the the investigation going on, but
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: I'm not I mean, I don't know.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: John and Plymouth says that Travis Hunter is overrated. He
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: says in caps, I trade down to nine and take
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: a left tackle.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, is there a.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: Chance that Travis Hunter is overrated?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 7: No?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, of.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 6: Course there is no. How do you know he's that good?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: Overrated at what position? Or just overall?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 6: I think I'm old enough to remember Peter Warwick. Fred.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's the real deal at cornerback.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, at the very least he's the real deal.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know about wide receiver.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 7: He has a higher floor at cornerback. I don't think
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 7: that there's a world where he's a bad cornerback. I
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: just think that he's a good enough receiver that I'd
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: give him a chance to play receiver, to hit the bigger,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: the bigger.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: Where's this bigger ceiling though higher.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: Receiver, But just that's just because the position, you know,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 7: inherently it's a bigger it's a more impact position. Like
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 7: if he goes on to be a true top ten
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: receiver in the league, that's more impactful in my opinion,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: than being a top ten corner.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 6: I do like that we're getting a lot of different
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: opinions on this stuff, Like from the listeners, you know,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 6: he's overrated, No, you got to take Will Campbell. No,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: you got to trade down and take Will Campbell at four.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 7: Well, that's kind of draft more interesting. Last year it
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 7: was just like Drake Mayor.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: Right, and I said that, you know, like general in
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: general terms, I let you guys, you know, sort of
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: go hog wild with all your mock drafts and stuff.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 6: But this year it's it's not so much about like
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: the mock draft that doesn't really interest me at all,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: But what's going to happen, Like do the quarterbacks get
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: taken in the top three, How that impacts the teams
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 6: that are you know, will there be a team maybe Cleveland,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: the Giants in Tennessee aren't interested in quarterbacks. But does
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: you know a team like the Raiders or someone else
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 6: look at it differently and say, I got to get
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 6: up into the top three. I got it, you know,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 6: I got to find a way to get up and
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: take them. I think that is intriguing for a draft,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: and I don't think anybody has an idea of how
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: this is going to go yet.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 7: I think that's the most intriguing part is it's almost
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 7: like a game of chicken of like the teams like
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: the Raiders the Saints, like they're going to be teams
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 7: in the back half of the top ten that need quarterbacks,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 7: And do they call the bluff of the teams in
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 7: the top five and say, we don't. You're not going
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 7: to actually draft Shador Sanders third overall, So we're not
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: going to give you a boatload of draft picks to
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: jump ahead of you because we don't actually think they'll
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 7: do it when push comes to shove and they'll just
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 7: kind of wait it out and be patient, or do
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: they get antsy and they go up and get the call.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 6: Go back to your quarterback stuff that you started when
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: Fred was asking you all your thoughts about the seeable
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: Jackson Dart. So you're not you're not a huge you're
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: not a huge fan. Yeah, but it was seven on
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: seven if you're a Raiders team or you know, one
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 6: of those teams, like I don't have a quarterback, but
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 6: I'm not really in position to get one, you know,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: ye Flyer, do you sit there and say, well, I'm
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 6: not going to force it. I'm not going to give
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: up resources to get up and get your door Sanders
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: who's There's a lot of varying opinions on. But maybe
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: I sit tight and in the second or third round
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 6: I have this guy fall into my lap. Yeah, Jackson
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: Dark Yeah, And I don't know. I mean, I think
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: I talk yourself a bit likely.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 7: I think that they're Dart mill Row Howard from Ohio State. Like,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 7: I think those guys are worthy day two, you know,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 7: mid round flyers like.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: His hands are evidently tiny.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 7: But those guys I think have some upside and have
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 7: you know, some some traits that you could work with
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: that if you want to just throw the lottery ticket
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 7: out and in the fourth round on oh, you know whatever.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 7: I think Milroy will go higher than that, But I
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 7: do too wherever he goes. I could see that. I
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 7: just I think there's really only two quarterbacks that have
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: any chance of going high, and that's Cam Morton's door.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 7: But I think that those other quarterbacks will be more realistic.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: So the Raiders need a quarterback. And there's a report
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: that Chip Kelly's going to be coming in to be
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: their O c oh.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: No six million dollars.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: So does that happen.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: If Chip Kelly has to say, does he say we
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: got to move up and get Marcus Mariota.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 7: Well, his quarterback in college is Will Howard with the Ohio
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: State had a really good playoff. I don't know. I mean,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: I don't know how much influence he'll have.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: Maybe he does what I just said, only instead of
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 6: Dart it's Howard. Is no need to waste any resources.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 6: We'll get this guy in day two some point. He
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 6: can run my offense, and he can run my offense.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: I just think from the Patriots perspective, like you guys said,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: we're looking at four guys. But if like it's suddenly
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: a trade down happens all of a sudden, all these
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: options open up that I feel like we'll probably spend
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: little to no time talking about this spring, the guys
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: from Georgia. We were talking about Mike Gave, guy from Marshall.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, a lot of maybe just a tier below
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: some of the names we're talking about in terms of
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: edge or uh you know, those kind of players. But
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: there's a lot that I like in that mid in
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: that mid first round that that could still really be
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: helpful and then striguing and maybe you pick up an
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: extra second round pick and then you hit a couple
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: times in that really you know the best part of
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: that that of this draft.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 7: Jalen Walker from Georgia. Yeah, screams rable linebacker, can play
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: on the line, can play off the line, can rush
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: the passer a little bit. He's not as big as
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: as High Tower, but that can kind of be played
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: in a similar role at High Tower, and that that
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: kind of player just you know, if you're looking for.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: But the things that they talked about, effort, finish, leadership,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: like all those types of intangibles too. He just has
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 7: checks a lot of those different boxes. And he's he's smaller.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: He's only like two forty two forty five, so he's
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 7: a little bit new agy at that position. He's not
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 7: two sixty like High Tower was.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: So I feel like the tackles too. We talked about
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: Josh Simmons from OSU, who you know, was hurt. I mean,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I think there's a chance that
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: that guy's the best tackle of this all, this whole group,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: you know. So, I don't know. I just we're gonna
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: get so focused on these main guys that there are
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: other interesting guys out there. I think they could help.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: Mickey Kirk and rights in. First of all, Friday, I
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: love your eye Irish accent when you read out any
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: of my emails is as good as your Dan Shaughnessy impression.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: Hypothetical scenario for a wide receiver coach. Let's say Josh
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: has his guy and Rabel has a different guy in mine,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: both equally good candidates who should have final say Josh
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: as oc who will be working with the coach daily
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: or Rabel as head coach.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I I'll throw it what I read
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: today from Badard, and he reported exactly on this and
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: said that Rabel wasn't even in the meeting. He wanted
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels to come to this decision on his own.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: That's what reporting is.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would said rather it be Josh's decision, But
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: that doesn't mean that I want the band back together.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Like, so Josh on his own chose Rabel's guy from Tennessee.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: That's what I believe.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: I come on, really, it's like, Josh, this is your decision.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Here's the guy. Like, doesn't it seem that way?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not as worried about wide receivers coach as
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 7: offensive line coach. Like I think that those offensive line
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 7: coach coordinator I think need to really be in tandem,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: Like I think that needs to.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: Be Josh was like really tight with Dante.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Dante Carmen Brisillo, like you need to be syncd up.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 7: Put those in those two ways, and I do think
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 7: Doug moron Is is more in the middle of it
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 7: has some some you know, branches touching both coaches, So
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 7: that does make me feel better.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I unders Anthony and Delaware says, what's
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: the difference between if Bill was still here and hired
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: Josh as pass game coordinator or some other title besides
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, do the Raiders still pay his entire salary?
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: I see that the Patriots are paying Josh some money,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: but I assume next year they pay him in full.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 6: If Bill was here.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: So if Bill was.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 6: Here, he wouldn't have anything to do with Bill.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't give him the title of offensive coordinator. He
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: give him some other title. So they pay him less
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: and have the Raiders pay more.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 6: No, that's not the way it works. I'm gonna there's
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: a lot of stuff in that story that I'm not
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 6: really gonna touch on.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, like that Bdard story. Oh I didn't even
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: know he had a story. Oh yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 6: Mean there's a lot of information in it.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: And okay, yeah. Also, Mark from the Bay came up
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: in old episodes. He definitely owes you guys a few lunches.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: Pretty sure he was a big bitcoin guy back then.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 6: I think he was.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't call anymore.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: That's probably why.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: Was he the one that harass Eric?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh, Eric had no tolerance for him. He
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even let it get a word out edge.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: Wise, just go right into it.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, Kylon Pembroke. Why is McMillan a No.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: At four for you? Evan Ceiling?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: I just don't really love the player. I think he
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 7: the best comp that I would have with Ted is
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: like a Drake London type, maybe even to Higgins like
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: good players. Like I'm not saying that those are that
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 7: they're bad players. I just I don't think that they're
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: fourth overall players. Like, if you're gonna draft a receiver
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: that high, I expect him to be Jamar Chase. You know,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: I don't expect him to be Drake London.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: You know I'm with you too. I just I mean,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: I've been said it since since the season. I want explosiveness.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: I want guys who are gonna change the speed of
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: this team. And I think he's a nice piece. He's
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: a complimentary piece on the right team where you have
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: an inside receiver who's really fast and can do a
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: number of things. Like, yeah, that's a good complimentary piece.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: I'd love to have him on the team. They're not
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: there yet. That's a couple moves down the road for me.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: I just I don't think he moves the needle enough
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: for Drake maybe in the red zone. You know, he's
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: a big target to throw too. That's a plus, But
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: I'm looking more at the guys with speed this year.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: That's what i want. Speed, speed, speed.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a possession receiver. If he's not. He's not
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 7: a take the top off the receiver. And I'm not
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 7: necessarily in love with needing that, but it's just when
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 7: I watch him, I just don't necessarily see game changer
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 7: on film with him. I see a nice receiver, but
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: I don't see that. And if I'm gonna draft a
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 7: receiver that high, it needs to be game changer.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: Ben and Brooklyn's trying to get creative to get Miles.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Garrett says, rather than the Patriots sending picks to Cleveland,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: would the Browns be interested that the Patriots also took
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: on Watson and then released him and then released him.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Others have pointed out that the Patriots twenty twenty five
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: pick doesn't help much since Cleveland already has a high pick,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: and they might want to do the trade post June
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: one for cap considerations. Patriots might also need to send
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: back salary, so this deal would need additional tweaking. Who
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: says no Patriots, Yeah.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I get it. I just that's a player
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: they need. That's like they need that kind of player.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: There was no trade there. I mean, it was just Watson.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: Usually it's not going to be so we're going to
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 6: give us Watson in Garrett, we're giving nothing, but we're
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: just paying.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: Well, it's like a baseball trade there right, where like
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: you give up less, you give it.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: You take on salary.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: No I know, but like I just I need to
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 6: know what the less is like, is all the Patriots
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: giving up his money? Yeah, like they're paying Watson.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 6: I don't think that that, you know, I don't. That's
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 6: the one that was proposed to us in as BFWY.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: They'll put them up. A tropical smoothie doesn't have to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: play for the football team.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: You can just you know, market fall wherever. The big
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: conversation has been the Chiefs and the refs. I know
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: the Patriots benefited from a lot of calls, and I
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: don't really think the fix is in for the Chiefs.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: I do think the conversation is missing an important piece though.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: To me, the most egregious refereeing surrounding the Chiefs is
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: the lack of offensive pass interference calls. It seems like
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: they run illegal pick plays and don't get called for
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: it at least five times a game. It reminds me
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: of the early Patriots dynasty. Just on the other side
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: of the ball. They are physical and they are going
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: to keep doing it and make the refs call it.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: You guys certainly watch all twenty two more than I do.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: Do you agree? Wasn't that an issue when that championship
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: game that we beat them and can't?
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: Bill definitely feels the same way.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Sammy Watkins got opened late in that game on
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 6: the one that the tying field goal on a blatant pick, right,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: which is basically the entirety of the Patriots passing game, Like,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: that's what That's.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: Why there's there was between a rub and a pick.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 6: I totally agree, right right, I totally agree. And Andy
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 6: Reid and Bill Belichick executed that stuff better than anyone,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: and that's why that's another to me. That's another similarity
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 6: between their two their dominance because they both get away
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 6: with a lot of that. They're very and the Chiefs
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: absolutely get away with a lot of it.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: Jeff in Canada, I see on social media that our
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: ex coach has a new book out, The Art of Winning.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: I can only assume that the first chapters title draft
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady. Sorry, Bill, but you took shots at us,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: so we have to fire back. Is anyone I've already
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: publisher is the title of the Art of Winning a
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: head nod to the Art of War, Suz.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: What did you call it?
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: I love so winning that it's a nod to that.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean I think Amanda Belichick actually.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: The game is won before it's played.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's what she tweeted when she quote
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: tweeted Amanda when she quote tweeted the book announcement.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: I think she quote tweeted it with the Heart of War.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: Heart of War. I asked Bill a handful of questions
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: while he was here during my time, and one of
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: them was just about the evolution of this game plan offense.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: And I asked him about that and those right, first
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: thing he went to with Wells the Art of War.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: Every battle is one before it's fought, and that's it's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: always been one of his things. That wasn't surprised to
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: see that be his title for sure. But I'll read it.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: Don't worry everybody, Yeah, tell us about it. I'll do
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: a diarhella for you.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 6: Thank goodness so much.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: Do we know, like, is it just going to be
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: X and O's like focused on preparation and all that
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: type of stuff.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 7: I kind of got the impression that it's more going
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 7: to be philosophy. No it's not. And I don't think
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 7: it's going to be like why did he bench Malcolm Butler?
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think it's gonna be like that's
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: gonna be posting the post career, which I gotta say,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: like generally I don't like these books because it's just like, well,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: I did it right, So here's how I did, and
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: this is how it should be done, you know, the
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: right for Brett, Well, he wanted forward by Mike Lombardi.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 7: It doesn't say that it's good it's written by anybody.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: It says written by Bill Belichick. So I mean he
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: could have had a ghostwriter, but it's not like it's
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 7: like written by somebody on behalf of Bill your book?
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: Come on, jesuz wow. Alright. Writing time description.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 9: Says Belichick shares memorable examples and practical takeaways from his
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 9: lived experiences.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, lived experience.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 7: I'm going to take Deuce's word for it when he
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 7: tells me, how I.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: Suppose the experiences you had when you weren't living, all right,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be it. Nothing that's gonna be it for
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: this edition of Patriot's Unfiltered. We'll be back on Thursday,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: Catch twenty two tomorrow.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 7: Tomorrow at noon noon, Yes, back to noon.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll look forward to that. I'm going to dive
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: deep into the the college all star.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 7: Games, yes down there, he is not. College all Star
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 7: games are over now, Senior Bowl and it was the
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: last one. So yeah, we'll do some of that. We'll
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 7: do a little bit on the coaching staff because we
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: didn't talk about the coaching staff last week because we
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 7: just did.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: All was bar like calling you like every hour like
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: what did you see?
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was very upset that he wasn't down there. Well,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 7: very upset.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: Why can't his station send him down That's why he's
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: on the station expert, right, and then they don't even
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: send him.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: To You're friends with people over there.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not making business decisions for them.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 7: I didn't say that.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: You know, like they don't want to send him that.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's a bad decision. Like you brought the
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: guy in to talk about college football and the draft
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: and everything, and then you don't send him to this,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: not the he's not even going to the comp to them,
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  Speaker 2: we're not getting him anywhere.
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  Speaker 7: No, I didn't mean literally, but yes.
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  Speaker 2: I will lobby for that. I will tell them that
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  Speaker 2: you should send your guy that you signed up to
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  Speaker 2: do this to go do that.
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  Speaker 7: You can start a gouf on maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited, like, what is it like a couple
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars tops to send them down?
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  Speaker 4: If you know you do it for free.
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  Speaker 7: You can sleep on my couch.
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  Speaker 4: We sleep on Evans floor.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, that's cot. That's fat business. If you
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  Speaker 2: ask me, I agreed. It's going on over there, Paul.
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  Speaker 6: It's your station, it is my station. They don't treat
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  Speaker 2: Oh all right, all right, you know you can there.
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  Speaker 6: You got one more Felgermas in me? Not tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't bring it down in New Orleans.
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