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#272 - Marlon Craft · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Boulet Cap Podcast. We got a special guest, Marlon kraft Man. Welcome, sir,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Man. Yes, you and I
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  Speaker 1: have been talking and pandemic happened, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: when you come to LA and you're finally here, I'm
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  Speaker 1: finally here. It was like I took like a two
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  Speaker 1: or three year break from coming out here. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's good to be back. I love it. Man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean obviously uh yeah, I mean you had a
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  Speaker 1: great pandemic though, I mean obviously not I'm talking about career.
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  Speaker 1: It sucked. No, but I feel like you like leveled
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  Speaker 1: up crazy during like that time period, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: not to sound insensitive, you know, but like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean the pandemic wasn't bad for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No.
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  Speaker 1: I was like I was able to find a lot
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  Speaker 1: of I went back independent, and I was able to
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  Speaker 1: kind of really find hone in on my strategy and
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  Speaker 1: kind of figure out who I wanted to be and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of set up like a three year type
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  Speaker 1: of plan that I'm kind of in like year three
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  Speaker 1: of Yeah. Explain that though, because like before you were
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  Speaker 1: you not independent at a certain point in time, or
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  Speaker 1: did what was what was your prior situation. I was
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  Speaker 1: at a thing called same Play. It was like a
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  Speaker 1: JV at sony okay for that Funhouse Mirror album. Yep, yep, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you get out of that deal, and then what
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  Speaker 1: walk me through your three year plan? And obviously it's
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  Speaker 1: been it's worked, so we should Yeah, what was the plan? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I just realized I learned a lot from
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  Speaker 1: being in that situation, and I realized what I had
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  Speaker 1: to do, and I was just like, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: need to move at a pace where I could be consistent,
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  Speaker 1: and especially during the pandemic when we were stuck at home,
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  Speaker 1: like all I could do was make music. So I
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  Speaker 1: just had this stock pile of music and all these
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  Speaker 1: different projects going, and I was like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how to just be really kind of relentlessly consistent,
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  Speaker 1: but combine that with keeping everything quality and keeping it
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  Speaker 1: conceptual and keeping it me and and I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: build it and have faith in you know, doing it
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  Speaker 1: like that. And That's what I've kind of been doing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So for you, it was like, because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: artists there's something kind of just viral semi viral recently,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw like Russ was telling everybody,
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  Speaker 1: if you're on the come up in music, drop consistently,
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  Speaker 1: don't sit on your music. Somebody had like made a
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  Speaker 1: response and pretty much said it's terrible advice. And so
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  Speaker 1: for you, it was like, Yo, why am I sitting
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  Speaker 1: on all this music? You obviously you're recording at home
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  Speaker 1: at the time, Yeah, recording yourself. So it's like like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people they do sit on their music,
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  Speaker 1: or they overthink releasing their music, or they I think
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  Speaker 1: everybody is like very not everybody, but a lot of
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  Speaker 1: artists get wrapped up in like perfection and like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things having to be checked off before they
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  Speaker 1: think they can release something. That's not always the case. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so there's a couple of things with that,
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  Speaker 1: like and your quality is high. It's not like you're
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  Speaker 1: doing like quantity of a quality. You're doing both. It's
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  Speaker 1: hard to do. Yeah, that I think is the key,
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  Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. I think, like I grew up
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  Speaker 1: admiring like the Coles and the Kendricks and these different
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  Speaker 1: people that have kind of this pantheon of their catalog
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  Speaker 1: right where you could look at like these four albums
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  Speaker 1: that are like incredible, right, And so I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us grow up wanting to be like that.
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  Speaker 1: But then when you really get back into the industry,
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  Speaker 1: I think that you realized that it's not that these
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  Speaker 1: artists didn't want to release more music. And in the
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  Speaker 1: mixtape era, it's not even like they weren't they were
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  Speaker 1: they were free zip files. Yeah, it's warm up and
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  Speaker 1: all that exactly. And I think it's just that, like
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  Speaker 1: once you get into a system and a situation, like
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  Speaker 1: those buildings move so slow a lot of times, it's
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  Speaker 1: not even their choice of how little music they're releasing
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  Speaker 1: because they're it's on a cycle. So I had to
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  Speaker 1: get myself out of that mindset and realize. I remember,
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  Speaker 1: like watching something where they were talking about how like
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  Speaker 1: the week after Get Richard, die try and drop fifty
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  Speaker 1: cent drop the mixtape in the streets yep, And we
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  Speaker 1: don't remember necessarily that mixtape in the streets, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't dilute Get Richard I trying, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, first of all, people have
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  Speaker 1: always done this, like people have always had this kind
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  Speaker 1: of abundance. But then second of all, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just realized that I had a lot to say
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  Speaker 1: and I had a lot of material, and I felt
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  Speaker 1: like I could do it all without compromising the quality. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so that was kind of you know, my mood
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  Speaker 1: in terms of like the rust thing, and I saw
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  Speaker 1: that dialogue going on. I think everybody's different, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's certain projects that you want to take
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  Speaker 1: more time with. And that's why for me, like the
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  Speaker 1: language of album, Like I've only dropped, you know, three
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  Speaker 1: albums right like that. I consider albums so as an artist,
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  Speaker 1: like I kind of decipher the things that I really
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  Speaker 1: spend years and years working on whatever, so the fans
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  Speaker 1: know what's what. I think that's important. But I think
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  Speaker 1: I think it gets confused because now instead of it
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  Speaker 1: being like a mixtape you buy from the corner store
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  Speaker 1: or something on that pif everything's on DSPs as it
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  Speaker 1: should be. I feel like you're crazy if like I
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  Speaker 1: just somebody recently put something out and it was like
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  Speaker 1: only on SoundCloud and like that PIF and I was
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  Speaker 1: just I mean, shout out to that, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: like it just didn't make sense. It's like why wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: you anyway? But yeah, I just think like you said,
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  Speaker 1: it's important like communicating the language of like what this
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  Speaker 1: is to your fans, Like, Yo, this is a mixtape
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  Speaker 1: or it's just some collection of records or an EP
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. So for you, how do you kind of
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  Speaker 1: differentiate because you say you're working on your big album,
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  Speaker 1: how do you differentiate between like what makes the album
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  Speaker 1: isn't because the album has a certain concept or there's
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  Speaker 1: a certain feel or quality to it. Like how do
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  Speaker 1: you know if that's like, oh, this is an album song. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we just can't throw this out there. Yeah, when it
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  Speaker 1: feels like that, when it feels like, man, this is
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  Speaker 1: something that I have to cultivate. This feels like the
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  Speaker 1: expression of my sound that combines a lot of my
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  Speaker 1: different influences. But that like, this is where I'm at
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  Speaker 1: musically at this point in time and creatively, and this
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  Speaker 1: is what I want to say, and you know, when
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  Speaker 1: it fits into the narrative of the big album that
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  Speaker 1: I'm working on at the time. You know, the other
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  Speaker 1: joints like the obviously the Space two which is you know,
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  Speaker 1: February tenth, and then like the Home Court projects that
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  Speaker 1: have kind of like become these little serialized things. They
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  Speaker 1: just happened organically creatively, I was making really emotional joints
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  Speaker 1: about this period of my life with the space stuff
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  Speaker 1: that I was making, like this mixtapey feeling like barred
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  Speaker 1: out stuff for the home court stuff, and I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, you know, people always feel this pressure on
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  Speaker 1: albums when you don't drop a lot of stuff, just
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  Speaker 1: show them everything I got in one go, and it
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  Speaker 1: sometimes makes for projects that aren't cohesive one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm always that pressure, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: By giving them the other stuff in a cohesive form,
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  Speaker 1: that was kind of them, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: For you, I feel like a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: come from New York, like I mean, if we think
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  Speaker 1: of New York like nationally at the moment, obviously there's
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  Speaker 1: like the big, the great stuff, the Cardi B's and
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  Speaker 1: the I mean shit, the Joey badasses and these guys
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  Speaker 1: who are like well established. But it feels like right
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  Speaker 1: now in New York everyone is very much much not everybody,
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  Speaker 1: but nationally a lot of people are checking for the
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  Speaker 1: drill scene. You kind of coming out of the city
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  Speaker 1: doing something way different. Do you feel like it's like
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  Speaker 1: an advantage for you because you kind of because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of drill shit coming out of New York. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, for you, it's kind of probably a
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  Speaker 1: good thing that you're bringing a different, you know, piece
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  Speaker 1: of music, your style to the landscape of New York
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  Speaker 1: hip hop. How do you feel? Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: To be totally honest with you, you you know, like I
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  Speaker 1: just I am New York because of New York raised me,
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  Speaker 1: like for real, for real, and at this point, like
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  Speaker 1: I don't really think too directly about how it all
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  Speaker 1: relates to New York. I've been like doing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of just finding myself and who I am and what
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  Speaker 1: like Marlon Kraft represents, and that's always going to be
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  Speaker 1: inherently New York. But I don't even think about, like
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  Speaker 1: where does this fit into the landscape. And I've just
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  Speaker 1: been watching it kind of grow and observing which place
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  Speaker 1: is support what I'm doing more, And you know, New
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  Speaker 1: York's always home base and it's everything to me. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't even really like consider it. Could you ever
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  Speaker 1: leave New York? It's real sunny out here, bro, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you something, Man, I go to New York
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  Speaker 1: and I love it, but I'm just like God bless
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  Speaker 1: y'all man, because y'all really lived there. I couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: I understand though, Like there's one thing like, like to me,
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  Speaker 1: like if you like when they say if you could
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  Speaker 1: survive in New York, you could survive anywhere, it's fucking
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  Speaker 1: a fact, yeah, because just like going to the store
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  Speaker 1: or going to work, just there's so many variables every
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  Speaker 1: day that you have to deal with that you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: deal with anywhere else that it's it's almost like your
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  Speaker 1: numb to the stress that those variables create. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of wild. Ye. It's like I saw a video
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  Speaker 1: of a guy sleeping on the subway and just a
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  Speaker 1: rat was like running on him, and shit, he just
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  Speaker 1: like flicked it off. Like it was just like I
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  Speaker 1: saw that. That was wild if there was a rat
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  Speaker 1: on me bro going on. But like we don't see
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  Speaker 1: rats on the West Coast like that, But in New York,
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  Speaker 1: if like you're eating pizza on the corner with your
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  Speaker 1: boys after the club, there's like rats running around and
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  Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it's just fucking yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 1: you guys deal with a lot, dude, a lot of stress. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fucking people, a lot of rubbing shoulders. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the pandemic had to be extra stressful. That was really
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  Speaker 1: hard because it's so little space and so that everybody's
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  Speaker 1: on the top of each other. It's winter, bro. Like
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  Speaker 1: I mean I say this. The older I get and
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  Speaker 1: the more in tune I get with like what's really
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  Speaker 1: important to me and what's better for my mental health,
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  Speaker 1: the more I'm like, wow, this is not that conducive
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  Speaker 1: to that. You know, Like when I come to place,
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  Speaker 1: even out here to take breaks, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 1: the weather's warm, the sunshine and there's more space, it's
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  Speaker 1: calmer like some of these things. Whereas when I was younger,
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  Speaker 1: I would have been like, man, shit boring, like I
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  Speaker 1: got phone, Well, I gotta get back home. Now I'm
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  Speaker 1: like really embracing those things a lot more. But it's
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  Speaker 1: hard for me to envision leaving New York for like
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  Speaker 1: year round, because it's just no matter. There's nothing like
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  Speaker 1: going when you're from New York. There's nothing like going
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  Speaker 1: back to New York, you know what I mean. It's
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  Speaker 1: one of one place. Yeah, it's a great place. Man.
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  Speaker 1: What is your favorite Like, Okay, you're for a house kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: which is a huge food area. Yeah, what's like your
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  Speaker 1: top three restaurants in Hell's Kitchen? Oh, yelp, man, you
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: know what's crazy? This ship is so different now the
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  Speaker 1: whole Manhattan is cooked, like like gentrified is not even
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: the word. Like it's just like beyond. Oh. I go
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: on Zillow once a month just for ships and giggles,
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  Speaker 1: to just scare myself from ever taking a job in
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  Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, bro, it's bro, it's yeah, it's cooked.
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  Speaker 1: So like I to tell you the truth, Like every
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: time I'm in Hell's kit it's like new stores, new restaurants,
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  Speaker 1: everything popping up like every other day. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know what do we Like? Claudio shout out to Claudio's.
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  Speaker 1: Claudio's is the only like real Hell's Kitchen spot that's
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  Speaker 1: still there. Pizza Real, that's the pizza real. Yeah, Claudio's.
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  Speaker 1: I shot a video in there back and the day
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  Speaker 1: that's like, you know, that's that's like the spot and
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  Speaker 1: it's still there. It's like he renovated it and whatever,
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: but it's still like that's the spot. How are we
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: feeling about Jalen Brunson, Julius Randall and these knicks that
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: are actually you know, playing like playing for the hardest
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  Speaker 1: fucking coach to play for in the whole league. Man,
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: was a fucking motherfuck. How much time do we have? Man?
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel? You know, well, you know, I
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: feel good. It's nice that we're that we're more competitive.
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  Speaker 1: Brunson I think was the best offseason signing for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And I love his game. And he's not that expensive,
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: yeah compared to like other players who are doing what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing. Yeah, he's a beast. I'm really happy about that.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: What I will say is, if you really watch the games,
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  Speaker 1: it's brutal, man, It's still brutal, because even when we win,
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  Speaker 1: we fucking like find a way to blow it at
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  Speaker 1: the end and make it like like a shitty win,
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: where like it was like we were up by ten
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  Speaker 1: the whole game and then we collapse because and it's
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Tom Thibodau plays, yeah, and then and and it's very weird, bro,
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  Speaker 1: Like we have a winning record, but we have a
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  Speaker 1: losing home record. We're like one of the only teams
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  Speaker 1: in the league. And I don't know if it's because
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: New York's popping, and so the road is like we
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: just we just chill and don't go out and they
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: go out, we go out in New York. I don't know,
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: but it's very it's very Uh, it's still been like
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: a frustrating up and down on year. But I'm in
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: it forever. Man with these Knicks, would you trade RJ?
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Barrett Man, I never know how honest to be with
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: this ship, because you know, i'd like to uh to
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: do things with the Knicks and you know, yeah, and
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: I will be my Twitter if the Sun's ever checked
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  Speaker 1: my Twitter feed, Yeah, he probably wouldn't do stuff with
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  Speaker 1: the Sun. All right, I'll keep it the buck with you.
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  Speaker 1: The thing with r J is dude's told him he
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: was a star then gave him the bag that he
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: was a star. But he's not a star because he's
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: the third best player on our team and we're not
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: even good and he can't and and he stopped playing defense.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: He used to play d well, but he got so
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: into what's going on with him and his scoring. Then
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: now he stops playing defense. But he shoots low percentage
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: from the field. So to be honest, like, what are
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  Speaker 1: we really talking about? As the ceiling? And I like
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: the things he does and I think he's a young
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: good player, but is he gonna accept what his role
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: might have to be to be out of a contender,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: because how much more evidence do we need to know
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  Speaker 1: if he's going to be a star player on winning team.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: What is it like, year three or four? I think
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: it's four or five. I think it's four. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's four. Yeah, because him and Zion came in the
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  Speaker 1: same year. Yeah. Yeah, and Zion's obviously a star who
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: just gets injured a lot. Cam Reddish is Cam Reddish
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  Speaker 1: on the Knicks. Is he's been relegated to the bench. Wow,
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: it's like Duke. Some people are some people are real
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: tight about that that Cam Reddish is on the bench. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have League Pass, but I don't
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: watch enough when the Knicks are on. I'm not running
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  Speaker 1: to the game. Yeah, respect, I feel you. There's some
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  Speaker 1: teams that I don't give a fuck about, But if
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  Speaker 1: they're playing, I'm like, oh, let me see what the
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Kings are doing. Yeah, if the Warriors playing, I'm watching. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But you yeah, yeah, sorry, that's a that's a sore spot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, not so much. The Sun's Yeah, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: guys are having I have no sympathy because I've been
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  Speaker 1: Knicks fan all up. But you're haven't you at least
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  Speaker 1: got championships, not when you were alive, but at least
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  Speaker 1: my dad, my dad's youth. Yeah, we don't got that ship.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you. Yeah, you guys got the at least
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  Speaker 1: the cultural importance. The Suns. Don't gives a fuck about
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  Speaker 1: the Suns. Yeah. Everyone hates us though, but it's kind
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: of it's kind of fun. I'm loving watching the Nets
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  Speaker 1: crash and burn. That's it is actually pretty dope because
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: they really thought that like they were gonna go like
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: when like like y'all really had Hart and Kyrie and
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Katie and it just didn't matter. And all five of
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: their fans talk so much shit five of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: no one's I've noticed some people from New York switching
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: sides or double dipping, like our guy Rob Markman is
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: one of one of those guys hardcore Knicks guy hardcore,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: but you know what, he got it so hardcore when
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: he did it, I couldn't even be mad at him.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: It's like when Porzingis left, it was the same thing.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, you gotta understand this is an
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: abusive household. Yeah, when people want to get out, you
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: can't hold him back. I don't think so until he dies, no,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: and they'll probably pass it on to some other jerk off. Yeah,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I said not you exactly. So for you, man uh,
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  Speaker 1: I think that you got three million monthly listeners on Spotify.
• 15:04
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I think just staying true, Like obviously
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  Speaker 1: You're a hip hop head who's been the biggest what
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  Speaker 1: the fuck fan of Marlon Kraft where you find out
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  Speaker 1: they fucked with you and you were just like what,
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  Speaker 1: like this is crazy? Like this person knows who I am.
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  Speaker 1: This person listens to my music, You've had to have
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  Speaker 1: had a few of those. I'm trying to think. Man,
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  Speaker 1: there's people, for sure, but none really come to mind. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jaden Smith hit me one time on Instagram and just
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  Speaker 1: sent me like a thumbs up emoji. That's pretty sick.
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  Speaker 1: It was so random and I was like and I
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  Speaker 1: heard anything. It was just so that was a weird one.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's hip hop people obviously, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like for me, you know, I like getting the respect
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  Speaker 1: when I walk into a party and like you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Primos there and like you know, or I met just
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Blaze and he and I was like, yo, you're my
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  Speaker 1: favorite producer ever. And he's like yeah, yeah, like that
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  Speaker 1: that's those type of things are crazy to me. Like
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  Speaker 1: that was a crazy moment I met him. He's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Like that was that was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I've had certain people like reach out and send dms,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: but I mean, just Blaze and Primo is pretty fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 1: But Jadon Smith's random and awesome too. It's like that
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  Speaker 1: was just a random one. I can't think. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: think of it, but it was so weird. I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, Okay, that's that's dope. What's your favorite just
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Blaze beat? Probably either public service announcement or you don't know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I love Breathe That breathe beat is so hard no
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: b yeah, oh that ship is so cold to me.
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  Speaker 1: He's the illiest man. I mean, I would love to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to do something. You haven't worked with him? Nah? Nah,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I you know, I don't want to. I think when
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  Speaker 1: the time is right, hopefully it doesn't seem like he's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: like like I feel like just is not as active
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: as he like, not as I wouldn't they should be,
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  Speaker 1: but like as you would think. Like I don't feel
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: like I see just Blaze beats often and when I do,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I get super excited. But I feel like like he
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't work with anybody. Yeah, you know, you know
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: who's probably the answer to that question. The original question
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: is doing the song with Havoc, Like doing the Hans
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Zimmer songa Havoc like that was crazy to me, Like
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the fact that he showed me love because what they
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: meant to me growing up in New York. And then
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: how I popped up on the scene, like going viral
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: on the survival of the fittest beats like in my
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: childhood bedroom and shit to then having my own song
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: that he produced and he's not here popping up either,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: like you don't just see him on the upcoming artist
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  Speaker 1: shit Like so that was real special to me, Like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that was like, wow, was that like a song that
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: did you know he was? Like it was his beat?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Did you know he was getting on the record. Nah,
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't on it. He wasn't on it. He just
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: did the beat he did ye, Yeah, he just did
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the beat. But what's crazy is that like that song too,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I made in twenty twenty and dropped in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: I had it for bad long. That's so crazy. But
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that's dope because like like back, like let that be
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a lesson the artists who like they get demo ititis, yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: where they have a song for so long and they're like, man,
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  Speaker 1: that shit is whack or it just gets played out
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to you, but like the people haven't heard it. It's
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: like bro, yeah, like don't overthink this shit, Like yeah,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: here's here's here's the key thing to our conversation even
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: before with like the consistency, like the implication of people
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that are critiquing it is you think I'm Russian. You're
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: wrong because I'm dropping songs there are two or three
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: years old. I'm just really two years ahead of myself.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Like I came into you. I told you today, like, yo,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I gotta play this album. Shit, I'm working on bro
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: for like twenty four you know what I mean. These
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: are songs, some of these songs that are on that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: they're going to be on that album I made in
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah. No, that's and you're you got you
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: got the next couple of things already planned out. You
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: gotta work that way if you want to be like
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: strategic and not lose quantity, because I agree if you
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: if you rush things out for the sake of rushing
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: them mount then it's gonna lose quality. Uh. Are you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: now that gambling is legal in New York and you,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: being the sports fan that you are, you dabbling in
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: any any sports gambling. I haven't dabbled yet, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: afraid to because I'm very like very afraid. Yeah, I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: very compulsive with certain things. I'm like, man, I'm not
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: plus yo, It's like, I mean, I think it's it's fine,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: but it's it's just wild. How like every commercial now
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: fan duels and it's greatbody shamelessly and there's like real
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: people really ruin their lives with this. Shit's mad addictive
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and people get destroyed. It's like it's almost like a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: commercial general like yo, like you got Charles Bark up there,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like all right at halftime, like all right, we're gonna
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: pick who's gonna score the next bucket. It's almost like
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: they're like all right, like we're gonna try out who
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: got the best crack, Like you know what. It's like
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a kind of a wild concept. It is pretty crazy,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know, is very addictive. Yeah, especially if you're like
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a hardcore sports fan, because then like you makes you
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: just care so much about every game. Yeah, like you'll
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: be betting on like a fucking a goddamn like Portland
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: trail Blazers first Orlando Magic game and you'll just be
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: like locked in. Nobody else in the country gives a fuck. Yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like that because I play fantasy, so
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that does that. Yeah. Yeah, it like gives me investment
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in games. I don't give a great Do you do
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it where you set your lineup every day or set
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it once a week every day, But I just do
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: it at the beginning of the week. I just it's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: not like you don't have to think about it. You
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just whoever's playing? Do you do football? Nah? Not a
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: big football guy, nah, man, because I was. I'm Jets fan,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and like I can only tolerate so much like dysfunction
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and disappointment with the Knicks and Gary Vee Jets guys.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't even know poor Zach Wilson. He's done. Bro.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm out the loop. Bro. I got enough trauma and stress.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I'm the Kicks. The Knicks is is all I could take. Yeah. Yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the next thing is rough. It's tough, man, It is tough. Okay,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So is there anything First of all, Mom's whiskey. The
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: idea of you actually putting out whiskey with your mom's
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: fucking genius. I appreciate it. How is the whiskey business?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And was that like a super limited thing or is
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: this something that's like you're trying to scale like and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like really like get down in the alcohol industry. It's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: super limited. It's been super limited so far. We've just
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: done batches of like very limited releases. But I would
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: love to scale it. It's a it's a it's a
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: tricky thing because there's so many laws that go back
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to like prohibition and ship. Yeah, it's like also like
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a very tricky industry. It's like a lot of like
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's like any industry, but it's got you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta kind of have somebody in that industry to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: help guide you. Yeah, I think I think if like
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I'm more popping, we could probably like scale it. But
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I think, like it's been really cool so far. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: we just reached out to this distillery and they were down,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know, and that that song was my biggest song
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: at the time, and yeah, people love it. It's real good.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you're in New York, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta give you a bottle. I need some moms whiskey
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: for yeah. Hell yeah. I just got into a uh
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: not necessarily an argument, but I got into it. Well.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I went viral because I went on a podcast and
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  Speaker 1: I said that I didn't think that Drake nor j
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Cole had consensus classic albums. Now I say that to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: say I think they. I think personally to me, Cole
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: has two classic albums to me. To me, and I
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  Speaker 1: think Drake Scott two, but I think like they don't
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: have an album that people look at in the same
• 28:23
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• 28:32
  Speaker 1: actually like Worn Center and Four Soils Drive. I think
• 28:36
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• 28:48
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• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Season was special to me. I think Friday Night Lights
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• 28:56
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• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that's only my favorite body of work from Cole. Me too,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Friday night Lights is crazy, that that ship was ridiculous. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so I think you got that. And I think his
• 29:08
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• 29:13
  Speaker 1: my favorite Drake is nothing was the same. Drake is
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  Speaker 1: hard because he does the thing you know where he
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  Speaker 1: cool albums and cool songs, but maybe not the most Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. That's Tusk and Leather. I mean, Drake's Drake. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Drake's Drake, you know. But yeah, that's a that's a
• 29:37
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• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you look at Kendrick, it's like good Kid, Mad City,
• 29:44
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• 29:47
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• 29:51
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• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Anthony Fantana will always be fucking talking about but on that.
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  Speaker 1: There's a picture that Jay and Kendrick took at the Grammys,
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• 30:37
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• 30:39
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• 30:42
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• 30:44
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• 30:49
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• 30:54
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• 31:00
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• 31:05
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• 31:08
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• 31:13
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  Speaker 1: shit he does and the like the fucking dexterity and
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• 32:03
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• 32:10
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• 32:17
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• 32:19
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• 32:23
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• 32:26
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• 32:30
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• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of people's heads. Yeah, people hate on it, People hate
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  Speaker 1: on that. People are wild. But I think that's what
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• 32:40
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• 32:43
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• 32:45
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• 32:48
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• 32:50
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• 32:52
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• 32:57
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• 33:03
  Speaker 1: That's why when Drake did the E d M album
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: or with this last ship, I was refreshed by. I
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• 33:09
  Speaker 1: was like as an artist, yeah, as an artist the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: House album, there's some ship on there, and I was like, wow,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Ray took a fucking risk. This is what I like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, whether I like it or not, I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: respect the move. Bro agree, that's exactly what I said.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But to Pimple Butterfly, Bro, how do you do that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: after after having the balls and then for it to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: be that sublime? I mean, that dude is He's definitely
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: he's my He's my goat, like I always tell people,
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  Speaker 1: because I have him in my like I got I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: met about four or five, but I always say, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I love Biggie, but I'm like if if because some people,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: especially old heads, will be like, nah, man, you can't
• 33:46
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• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Your Greatest of All Time? Off two albums, you gotta
• 33:53
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• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I mean that's excluding section eighty. That's excluding the Kendrick
• 34:00
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• 34:04
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• 34:07
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• 34:10
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• 34:13
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• 34:17
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• 34:19
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• 34:23
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• 34:26
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• 34:27
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• 34:32
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• 34:35
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• 34:38
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• 34:41
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• 34:43
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  Speaker 1: not trying to just like, you know, kiss his ass,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel you got to give people like that
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  Speaker 1: old stuff that when something's really sublime and really special
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  Speaker 1: in our era, we feel weird about calling it that.
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  Speaker 1: Like Lebron, Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 1: with Lebron. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I mean,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Jordan guy in terms of the goat debate,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but like, but it's either wonder, it's he's two. Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: My thing is, if I ask you who the goat
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: is and you say anyone but those two names, then
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what the fuck we're talking. Like,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I love Kobe, he's right there him and Jordan's Yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: but like living in LA a lot of people say
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Kobe's the goat. It's it's a preposterous thing to say
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: it is. And I love Kobe, but that is a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: ridiculous basketball opinion to have. Yeah, no, it's not. I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: mean there was a lot of years where he wasn't
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the best player in the league at all, Like, yeah,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not here, you're trying to stand her. When Kobe
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: was on the Lakers alone after Shaq left, they were
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: an eight seed two years in a row and they
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: lost in the first round. Well, he was playing with
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Kwame and smush Kobe Bryant or Lebron James was playing
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: with fucking big Z, Moe Williams, Donielle Marshall off the bench,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Larry Hughes, fucking losing player if I've ever seen one,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Like if Larry Hughes is your best player on your team, yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: he's like a poor man's Monta Ellis, who's a poor
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: man's Allen Iverson. Uh. If these takes are getting better
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and better, but not a manta Ellis man. Monte Ellis
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: was a beast, But like, I just feel like Lebron
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: when he's when he I mean, he's been on super teams,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: but I do feel like Lebron when he's like when
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the Cabints, he's still gonna. I mean, you got these
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers to the finals over the Detroit Pistons. Yeah, year
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: after they won the finals. Yeah, although I do feel
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: like there's too much made of the like eight years
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: in the row thing. It's like they they they were
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: supposed to mop up everybody in the East. I'm not
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: saying that it's not a crazy accomplishment, but I think
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: his black iron his resume is that MAVs loss with
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: the Heat twenty. Yeah. Yeah, that's the law. That's the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: finals loss where it's like you should have had five. Yeah.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I can't even fault him for the Spurs ship because
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that Spurs team was wildly talented. Yeah, but the MAVs,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it was Jason Terry fucking Jason Kid. Yeah, bro,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and the Warriors one like with that was ship. I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: always felt like that ship was kind of bullshit because
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I felt like he threw his weight around to get
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: that Draymond suspension, and it was like, I feel they
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: beat they beat, but they won. They won the game
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: seven with everybody playing. They beat the best regular season
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: team ever in the finals. Yeah, they did, know they did.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Seventy three and nine Warriors lost to Lebron James. They did.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: To me, that ring probably means more than any ring ever.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I ever, I'd have to, I'd have
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to give that. I mean, what's the toughest, what's the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: tougher ring to win? Yeah? Yeah, in theory, I think
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: though literally the greatest regular season team ever ever. Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: they were down three to one. I believe they were
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: but that, but they came back from three to one
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: against the seventy three and nine Warriors, but they were
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: gonna win. And then he went in the press conference
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: with the Draymond thing. He was like, the league won't
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: suspend him, but they should. You know, da da da.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: He threw his big weight around and then it was
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: like and they suspended him. And then it was like,
• 41:39
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• 41:42
  Speaker 1: then they fucking cheated and they got KD. That fucking
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: shout out to KD. Great guy, good hip hop fan.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I met him. I can't really say anything bad about
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Kdie because I've been to his house and he was
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: really nice. He's really into hip hop. I saw him
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: and he's always running out with thirty eight especially. He's
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a super nice guy. Yeah, but he seems he definitely
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: you know, some interesting decisions. It's a weird space now, man,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm a very old soul bro. I'll be watching a
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: lot of I'm Stuck out with the thunder Man. But
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: but I feel like now in retrospect, we can kind
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of see why he left Russ. Yeah, because Russ is
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a fucking can't well nice guy, Russell Westbrook, We're gonna
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: get you in troll. I wouldn't want him on the
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: fucking suns, is all I'm gonna say. Yeah, it's tough
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: like the you know, it reminds me of, you know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you since you're just being keeping
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it all the way funky. I feel like John Moran
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: will be Russ in three years if you don't start
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to learn to play defense and get some moves, or
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: he'll be in prison. Yeah, I heard about that ship
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: because he wants to be king von Yeah, I heard about.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: But I love John. I love John's game. But the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: thing is, it's like, if you notice, they're almost as
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: good without him as with him, because Tyas Jones plays
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: really good defense, They're very like his. I think his
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: style of play is counterproductive to longevity in the league
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: that as well. And like I think, yeah, it very
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Russ d Rose type of guy. So when you think
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of Russ, like Russ like electrifying, like I love like
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I used to love watching him on the fucking Thunder
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: just he was just like a and Jaw's the same way,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: except for Joh I think is a little bit more
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: fun to watch than those those two guys. But like
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Derrick Rose is the same way. It was like, could
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you win a ring with those guys? I don't know, man,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and they'll turn on you, like the way they're all
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: kissing Jaws as now. Everybody loves him, but I know too,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: they turned on Russ. That's why I'm saying it's not
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: like a hater comment, this is like I want to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: see him be successful. And Jared Jackson Junior making the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: All Star Game is fucking the travesty, by the way,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: it's insane over who who was it? That that. Uh well,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: first of all, Devin Booker should have made it even
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: though he's missed twenty one games. Jalen Bronson should have
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: been in there for the East over Halliburton. I mean,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I'll be all the way real with you, like over Julius.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: If you watch the games, the numbers run deniable, so
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I understand, but if you really watch all the games,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like in their totality, like and there was an all
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: star from our team to go and this coming from
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the guy who made the Julius random song like it
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: was Jalen has he heard the song? I don't know.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. They played at the Garden though, Yeah,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that was pretty dope. He had kind of a weird
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: year last year. He did. And that's why I said,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not making no more songs for people. I like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I think you guys should fire Tibodeau. Get him out
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of there, man, That old fucking bastard man. He literally
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't coach offense, bro Like he literally he just like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: yo figured it out. Yeah, literally, like like forty eight
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: minutes a game. But he needs like the way Mike
• 44:30
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• 44:33
  Speaker 1: state he needs one of those offense. Yeah do it
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, not for sure, I thought me shout
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: out to the Knicks, man, So you're got you got
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Jordans your go. Jordan's my go. Jordan despite being a
• 44:44
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• 44:49
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• 44:55
  Speaker 1: not sure you guys were good enough to get who
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: whoever was in the West during those years. I'm not sure.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I think I looked back at some I look back
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: at some of those fucking Knicks teams and like, offensively
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: just not the greatest rosters, just scrappers. It was just
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: like it was like a bunch of Tony Allen's and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing. It was like John Starks, Anthony Mason, and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: then there was like the funner version of that team
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: with Larry Johnson, you know, Alan Houston there was, but
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: but I'm talking about like the early nineties Knicks teams.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: It was just like Jesus, it was just Charles Oakley
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and elbows and kneecaps and fucking Patrick Ewing. Alan Houston
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: was a beast. I mean listen man them tell hims
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: like I don't know those those were battles with I
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: was young. I mean I was like a little kid.
• 45:42
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• 45:45
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• 45:49
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• 45:52
  Speaker 1: He's great. Lenny does a great job at being an announcer.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: He's incredible. Like when I listened to him on the broadcast,
• 45:57
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• 46:00
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• 46:03
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• 46:06
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• 46:09
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• 46:11
  Speaker 1: it is like the greatest shit ever. I love that guy.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Love him. Okay, So if Lebron is two for you,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: who's three? Probably Kareem. I think that's the yeah, And
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you could make a case like like if someone wants
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to come in and make a case for Kareem at two,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Like there's a case to be made. He gets weird
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Era to era, but the past is fucking yeah he is.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But they changed rules for that guy, bro, Like in college.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I mean he would, I mean, and and the thing
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: is like he you kind of can't say, like, oh,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't do shit today like he was mad, was
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: mad big, he would just shoot that hook on anybody,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know, but Kareem's probably three.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And then after that you get into like I got
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Dunkin at five. That's all I know for four is
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: probably magic. What about Bill Russell? See that's too old.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: It gets starts to get with you. That's where the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: error shit gets weird because it was like he was
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: never better than Will. Yeah, but he got all the
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: fucking rings. But he got all the rings. So and
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: then you got well as well, because every Will holds
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like every fucking record, damn near. So you got to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: put him somewhere in there. I think of like who
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: would ball out no matter what era, And I don't
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: know if Bill Russell could, Like I don't know what
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: he would do against Dwight Howard in the paint Yeah
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: peak Dwight of course. Yeah. When I think of like
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a guy like Kareem, like you said, like I could
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: see Kareem thriving in today's because he can still cook. Yeah,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: he can still cook I think like Larry Bird would
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: be a fucking beast. Larry Bird is a beast, bro
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and a savage. When you hear like the trash Talk stories,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that's my favorite ship. But I'll go on YouTube and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: just look up old like trash Talk stories. That dude
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: was a monster. Would you say Nicks fans hate Reggie
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Miller or Michael Jordan Moore Reggie Miller, that Reggie serious,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: disrespectful those old East, those nineties East joints respectful. Yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: like fuck Reggie, but also like it's it doesn't feel
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: like it feels very separate basketball from the person, like
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: on some ship, on some basketball shit, I'm like, yo,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: fuck Reggie Bller. But like when I see him on TNT,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I don't get mad. Like that's how I feel about
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Patrick Barley. Oh man, that dude is. That dude's wild.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: He's the dirtiest player ever. That dude's wild. Your man,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Chris Paul is kind of dirty too, though he's not
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: my man. He's actual man, not no more A couple
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of years ago that I wasn't your man. I got
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: all his jerseys. I gotta hope we get we move
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: off of them. Listen, you got your new EP out. Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: but this comes out February tent so by what's today,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: By the time this is out, it'll be out. Yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: uh new album soon, album next year, next year. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: then I got a little something coming for the summer too,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: something for the summer. What's coming with summer, it's gonna
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: be It's gonna be mixtape time again, mixtape time. Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Are you like, uh I think? Do you feel like
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: who besides yourself has the best basketball references in hip hop?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Because you got some pretty like, you got some like
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: really random shit. We're like, unless you're like a real
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: basketball nerds just flying over your fucking I got it.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I did a good one recently. Bro, I had a
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he he know, Turkeuleu one in there. I love. I
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: was so hype when I wrote that. I was like,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: he was on the Suns for like one season. He
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: was good man when he was on the Magic. Think
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: about that. They went to the finals and he was
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: their second best player fun me and Nelson. He was
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: killing Bro. I'll tell you the line when we're done.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: But it was like it was literally like, uh, Action
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Bronson got really good ones he does and Action Bronson
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: cuts super random deep cuts, like super deep cuts and then, uh,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: A man, who else is good? I don't know who
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: else is. There's a dude named skillet Baby that's from Detroit.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Young kid who's got some pretty crazy basketball. Oh you
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: knows fire? Have you heard of baby tron? No, he's
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: on the Freshman cover. His fucking eighteen nineteen year old kid.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: He got heat. He's got the most random NBA references
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: for his age. You'd be like, bro, how old are you?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: That's he's shouting out bench players. He's shouting out the
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: most random ship. Yeah, like he's a kid. Bro, Like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: he's like a fucking child. I love I love that shit. Yeah,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like dog that Detroit. Yeah, two guys from Detroit
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: shout out to them, and I shout out to you. Man,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: some new album next year, new mixtape during the summer,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and then Space two out, now out now, go run
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: it up and go watch your freestyles about that happened
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Boom