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There's No Fourth Category for Actual Men · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian with Allison and our special guest
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  Speaker 1: Teal Deer, and this is maintaining frame. I guess there's
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  Speaker 1: no fourth category for actual men, where we're hopefully going
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  Speaker 1: to be finishing this analysis of this video by oh
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember her name, but this book tube person
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  Speaker 1: that's been reading through or read through a couple of
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  Speaker 1: different versions of the media play from ancient Greece, and
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  Speaker 1: she loves it because I guess media kills her kids,
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  Speaker 1: and that's empowerment.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I don't know. Yeah, so she kills her kids.
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  Speaker 3: She kills her kids, and it apparently hurts Jason, so
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  Speaker 3: that's hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she hurts. She kills her kids to hurt Jason,
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  Speaker 1: and that's.
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  Speaker 2: Empowered to him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because because Jason didn't want to continue to have
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  Speaker 3: a relationship with her, right, So yeah, that's empowerment, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And in terms of this woman's argument that she was
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  Speaker 3: going to be destitute without Jason, well, maybe don't don't
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  Speaker 3: kill family members while you're running off with with the
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  Speaker 3: bad boy, right, maybe don't do that. Don't burn your bridges,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't think it would have left her destitute
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  Speaker 3: because Jason said that he would take care of her.
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  Speaker 3: But regardless, Jason doesn't have the right to decide. Once
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  Speaker 3: Medea has decided that Jason is his, Jason has no
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  Speaker 3: opinion in that matter. Because that if you, if you
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  Speaker 3: actually think about it and you reframe it entirely in
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  Speaker 3: a modern sense, people can get divorced. That's it. That's
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  Speaker 3: that's presumably we're all for the no fault divorce right,
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  Speaker 3: so they can get divorced for whatever reason and remarry.
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  Speaker 3: So that's all that's happening here is Jason is like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: I'm done. I'm done being with you media. I never
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  Speaker 3: really consented to it in the first place. It was
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  Speaker 3: a gift of hera and if I actually rejected her gift,
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  Speaker 3: all hell breaks loose, which is exactly what happened when
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  Speaker 3: he ended up rejecting me Medea. So but I'm done
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  Speaker 3: with this. Okay, you're gonna be taken care of. I
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  Speaker 3: want to live my life now.
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  Speaker 4: That is that's.
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  Speaker 3: Supposedly perfectly acceptable under a no fault regime, no fault
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  Speaker 3: divorce regime. But apparently we're not applying those modern values.
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  Speaker 3: We're only applying the modern values to the woman. The
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  Speaker 3: man gets to still have the same expectations he always had,
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  Speaker 3: which is why it isn't no fault divorce. It's actually
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  Speaker 3: man at fault divorce. But you know, let's not let's
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  Speaker 3: not even talk about this massive double standard. Did we
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  Speaker 3: mention that Teal tears here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned at the top of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, oh yeah, okay, good people can see
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  Speaker 1: here because his avatar is here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, excellent. So it's all. It's all sorted and
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  Speaker 3: taken care of. Thanks for joining us, steal there. Did
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  Speaker 3: you have anything to add to my intro of where
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  Speaker 3: we are now, past past events in this series of
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  Speaker 3: this woman's video?
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  Speaker 4: You are determined to not let me break my seventeen
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  Speaker 4: minute mark of silence. I'm noticing. But what I am
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  Speaker 4: going to say is, I've been here for a while now,
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  Speaker 4: doing doing these shows, talking to this woman, and I
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  Speaker 4: find the more I used to be fairly neutral on it,
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  Speaker 4: the more I listened to her, the more disappointed I get,
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  Speaker 4: the more hope I lose in humanity. I just become
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  Speaker 4: generally more pressed, full of despair, annoyed, irritated. Uh in
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  Speaker 4: some cases, I just reach anger at how someone can
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  Speaker 4: say so many things that are so incredibly stupid with
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  Speaker 4: such high frequency, And it leaves me to ask, Brian,
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  Speaker 4: why do we allow Alison on the show?
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  Speaker 3: Ah?
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  Speaker 2: You get it, Alison? Oh Alison are you there? Are
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  Speaker 2: you muted?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? I was muted. Okay, okay, the buttons already doing
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  Speaker 3: the job.
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  Speaker 2: Guys.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm too autistic to understand it.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm sure it's a joke. Never mind it was,
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  Speaker 2: it was never I'm not going to explain this job. No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not explaining the joke. That's stupid. The people who
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  Speaker 2: are watching will get the joke, and that'll be that'll
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  Speaker 2: be the end of you can't.
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  Speaker 3: You can't if.
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  Speaker 1: You explain the joke, it's you know, it's worse than
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  Speaker 1: just letting it lie and like let people not get it.
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  Speaker 3: So okay, all right?
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  Speaker 4: Is that all of that is true of our darling,
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  Speaker 4: this Collier. It's at the start, I was kind of like, yeah, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: some things you say are okay. Some things you say not,
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  Speaker 4: but they're definitely like I can I can comprehend the
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  Speaker 4: lens through which these things are being said. But then
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  Speaker 4: it just keeps going and she keeps talking and she
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  Speaker 4: keeps saying things, and it it goes from neutrality to
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  Speaker 4: words that I might get arrested if I say them
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  Speaker 4: out loud in this country.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It just it's just just spirals down, like she has
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  Speaker 3: no break on her on her insane inferences and unsupported
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  Speaker 3: ones too, like sometimes you go to unhood and staying places,
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  Speaker 3: but the every step that you took there is well supported.
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  Speaker 3: But no, she just makes these insane leaves and then
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  Speaker 3: she imports modern values but only for women, not for men.
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  Speaker 3: Because if she was honest and she applied things equally,
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  Speaker 3: she would have to admit that Jason has the right
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  Speaker 3: to leave Media, at least from the modern framework, right,
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  Speaker 3: he has every right to leave her and fall in
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  Speaker 3: love with someone else, no fault, divorce, friend. So nothing
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  Speaker 3: that you're presenting has any moral justification to it. Media
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  Speaker 3: does not. Is not justified in killing her children or
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  Speaker 3: hit her children with just with Jason because Jason wants
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  Speaker 3: to leave her. That's sick. And you are, in fact
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  Speaker 3: promoting a family annihilator as a positive role model for women,
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  Speaker 3: and you're doing so with no apparent awareness of how
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  Speaker 3: morally bankrupt. That is right, that's that's that's yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, Tildare. It starts with something that's almost inoffensive,
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  Speaker 3: and that just builds and builds and builds, and then
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  Speaker 3: you look back and you're like, how the fuck did
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  Speaker 3: we get here? But yeah, so anyway, I'll do the things, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if you want to, Yeah, you have to have me.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise how would the things get done? If you How
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  Speaker 3: would the housekeeping get done? I'm just kidding. If you'd
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, let's uh, let's lose some more faith in humanity.
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  Speaker 3: What's her name, Brian, did you take a look and
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  Speaker 3: find out.
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  Speaker 2: Miss Collier Collia?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is by the way, today it's an English name. Collah,
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  Speaker 4: it's Colia, someone who makes chocoal. It's the old profession.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay Collier, all right, so let us uh,
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  Speaker 1: let us continue. This is like okay, So there's like
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  Speaker 1: two sections left in this this one we're at the
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  Speaker 1: end of where she was reacting to a I think
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  Speaker 1: she saw like a modern interpretation of this play, and
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  Speaker 1: she was talking about how they what the changes were,
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  Speaker 1: but how much she liked them. And I think we're
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  Speaker 1: getting to the conclusion like does she kill her kids
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  Speaker 1: in this modern version or is it something different?
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  Speaker 2: So that let's go.
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  Speaker 5: And matches him, just like beat for beat. So it's
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  Speaker 5: so interesting. So while I was reading Euripides and I
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  Speaker 5: was thinking postpartum psychosis, Rachel Cusk read Euripides and was
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  Speaker 5: thinking about divorce and how that negatively impacts the children.
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  Speaker 5: I read this really interesting interview with her. I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to read it to you now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a pausitive there for a second.
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  Speaker 1: So the person who wrote that version, that's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different according to missus Collier. Here she's saying that
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  Speaker 1: instead of it being about what was it that she
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  Speaker 1: said like that, she's saying it's about divorce. This supposed
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  Speaker 1: to murdering the children basically, So how divorce affects children?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Is she going to bring up the fact that most
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  Speaker 1: divorces are initiated by women and they don't really care
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  Speaker 1: who gets hurt in the divorce because they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get theirs or not.
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  Speaker 2: Probably not, We'll just keep going, purcusk.
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  Speaker 5: The truthful idea of damage to children is the heart
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  Speaker 5: of the play. This is what Medea sees, and this
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  Speaker 5: is what Euripity sees. And it's so good that someone
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  Speaker 5: sees that. It absolutely relies on the institutionalized culture of
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  Speaker 5: motherhood to mop up and conceal the essential cynicism of divorce.
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  Speaker 5: What happens is man leaves women, children are damaged, and
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  Speaker 5: woman is expected to continue their lives and live as
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  Speaker 5: a self sacrificing pretense. The fact of the damage to
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  Speaker 5: children is covered up by everybody. And Medea doesn't do that.
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  Speaker 5: She won't do it. She says, these are our children,
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  Speaker 5: and if you leave me, the grounds for their existence
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  Speaker 5: are not there anymore. They are canceled in a way.
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  Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, rachel cusk, that's so good a woman.
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  Speaker 4: No, it isn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 4: This is one of the things that really annoys me
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  Speaker 4: about this woman. It's bad thing happens, like woman does
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  Speaker 4: something or says something that is objectively bad and she
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  Speaker 4: just her face lights up. I love it like this. No,
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  Speaker 4: this is not good, like okay, right, So if a
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  Speaker 4: man divorce is a woman, then a woman has every
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  Speaker 4: right to take away the existence of the children because
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  Speaker 4: of something the man did. But we know in this
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  Speaker 4: case that madea is a murderous psychopath. You know, she
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  Speaker 4: killed her brother. I can't remember if this is before
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  Speaker 4: or after she tries to poison theseus in the crib
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  Speaker 4: and then he ejects her from the kingdom later because
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  Speaker 4: obviously he found that out upon his return from his
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  Speaker 4: oh what was he doing at the time? That was
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  Speaker 4: minotaur side quest that he was dealing with at that time.
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  Speaker 4: Came back and she I think also tried something with
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  Speaker 4: his father agus, but he died off screen, he died
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  Speaker 4: hurling himself into the ag and c unsurprisingly because theseus
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  Speaker 4: forgot to change the sails on the boats. So like,
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  Speaker 4: she is just demonstrably objectively in the wrong when she
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  Speaker 4: is doing all of these things. Even if you want
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  Speaker 4: to say, oh, she had no choice because divine intervention,
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  Speaker 4: because of the arrow. Okay, let's just put modern morality
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  Speaker 4: onto it, as this woman seems to want to do.
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  Speaker 4: She's not entitled to Jason's time, she's not entitled to
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  Speaker 4: his affection, she's not entitled to sex with him. So
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  Speaker 4: she should just deal with it. That's what they would say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, if if we go back to Manda and Jessica,
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  Speaker 4: that's what they'd say about man dea. Yeah, you just
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  Speaker 4: learn to keep it in your pants. But they're never
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  Speaker 4: gonna they're never gonna address it. But yeah, no, sorry,
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  Speaker 4: the pretense of if man divorce is woman, woman has
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  Speaker 4: a right to explode. That's nonsense. And on top of that, yes,
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  Speaker 4: we know that something like three quarters to eighty percent
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  Speaker 4: of all the divorces are initiated by women. Ever since
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  Speaker 4: no fault divorce became a thing, it's just gone absolutely
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  Speaker 4: off the rails because it can it can literally be
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  Speaker 4: anything like literally anything. On top of that, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it gets even worse if you look at how relationships
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  Speaker 4: happen and form and how volatile they are. Yeah, slightly
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  Speaker 4: esoteric side tangent here, but it does help. You know,
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  Speaker 4: AI is really really good at pattern matching. It's kind
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  Speaker 4: of like the best thing that it does not these
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  Speaker 4: language model generation things, which are mostly garbage and just
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  Speaker 4: make shit up as they go along, but when you
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  Speaker 4: train it on a data set, they become insanely reliable
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  Speaker 4: at spotting patterns. Now you can train AIS on, for example,
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  Speaker 4: medical data as a means of identifying the genetic population
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  Speaker 4: of a person, or to shorthand it race. So you
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  Speaker 4: give them when you already know what the participants are,
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  Speaker 4: what the data is, and say, okay, this population is
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  Speaker 4: European heritage, this population is East Asian, this population is
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  Speaker 4: African heritage. You give it, however, many categories that you
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  Speaker 4: want to and you give it the data that fits
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  Speaker 4: into those categories, and it goes bom bom, boom bom. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I know all of this stuff. Now give me any
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  Speaker 4: piece of data and I'll identify it. AI, in the
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  Speaker 4: those circumstances, was able to identify with ninety five percent
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  Speaker 4: plus confidence racial characteristics of X rays that had degraded
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  Speaker 4: beyond recognition to the point where even a trained doctor
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  Speaker 4: would look at the X ray and say, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what this is, like, I'm not even sure if
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  Speaker 4: this is an X ray. But obviously, because you've got
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the patient file, you know who it is,
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  Speaker 4: but it's it's just those images. AI could do that
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  Speaker 4: with like ninety five percent plus confidence. In the highest rates,
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  Speaker 4: it was like ninety eight ninety nine percent. If you
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  Speaker 4: take AIS and you train them on data regarding relationships,
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  Speaker 4: so you give it everything about the relationships, yepp, how
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  Speaker 4: long have they been together, how long are they hoping
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  Speaker 4: to be together, income of both partners, income disparities, levels
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  Speaker 4: of education, how many children, ages have, just literally everything
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  Speaker 4: that you can give them about relationship data. The AI
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  Speaker 4: was able to predict which relationships would stay together with
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  Speaker 4: with zero percent accuracy, actually zero. It had no way
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  Speaker 4: of predicting what relationships were going to stick together. And
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  Speaker 4: the ridiculous thing about that was, I think it was
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  Speaker 4: something like half of the relationships before they imploded said
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  Speaker 4: that they were completely happy, like as little as six
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  Speaker 4: months before it ended. So we're in this bizarre situation
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  Speaker 4: where these relationships get together and they fall apart for
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  Speaker 4: literally no predictable reason whatsoever. It would seem like we
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  Speaker 4: have no ability to pattern how good relationships are going
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  Speaker 4: to be in society. And we know that most of
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  Speaker 4: them get blown up by women. So all of this
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  Speaker 4: just tells you the general state of relationships that we
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  Speaker 4: have at the moment. And I just find that fascinating
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  Speaker 4: in light of what we're looking at here. And this
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  Speaker 4: person just saying, oh, well, you know, women should just
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  Speaker 4: be allowed to blow up the relationship and if they'd
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  Speaker 4: all the heinous stuff imaginable. And the man says, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not doing this anymore. I Am
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  Speaker 4: removing my lips from the crazy cup and leaving. And
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  Speaker 4: she'll just say, well, you know, whatever she does past
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  Speaker 4: that point and justified M.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I honestly, I'm looking at this as a couple
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  Speaker 3: of things. First of all, I wonder if they just
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  Speaker 3: don't have the right metrics in order to determine which
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  Speaker 3: relationships will succeed, And then the other things. That's just like,
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  Speaker 3: there's got to be a way you can model it.
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  Speaker 3: But that's just me and and I know that oftentimes
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  Speaker 3: the way that people look at these issues, they can
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  Speaker 3: strain the potential inputs by their own assumptions. So there
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  Speaker 3: is there may be a solution in data they're not tracking.
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  Speaker 3: But but but the other thing I wanted to point
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  Speaker 3: out is I have never heard people in the manosphere
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  Speaker 3: do what this woman is doing. This woman is justifying
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  Speaker 3: female family annihilators. Yeah, and she's not just justifed. She's
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  Speaker 3: not just saying like there was a while back where
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  Speaker 3: there was a male family annihilator or he killed his
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  Speaker 3: wife or ex wife, and she went on the internet
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  Speaker 3: and she was talking about how well he was taking
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  Speaker 3: the fact that she was destroying his life. And I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's one thing to do it, it's another thing to
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  Speaker 3: crow about it on the internet. And that was crawling
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  Speaker 3: about it. That was demonstrating a complete and utter disregard
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  Speaker 3: for his experience of it. Now that doesn't does it
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  Speaker 3: certainly doesn't in law, and it doesn't morally justify him
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  Speaker 3: going and doing what he did. But there were men
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  Speaker 3: who are saying, you know, I can I can understand it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't condone it, but I understand it right, And
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  Speaker 3: they were dragged through the munth. Men would not say
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  Speaker 3: that he shouldn't be punished for what he did. They're
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  Speaker 3: not saying that he should have done what he did.
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  Speaker 3: They're not saying that he should be lauded for what
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  Speaker 3: he did or put on a pedestal or have monuments
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  Speaker 3: or be seen as a role model. They just said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I understand it, and they were dragged by women for
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: just saying that, just saying yeah, I get it. She
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: destroyed his life and then crowed about it on the internet. Right,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I get I get it. Not right, but I get it,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: And women dragged them for it. And this woman is
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: saying right here, right now that if a man leaves
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: a woman, no fault. Divorced guys, ever, Jason has every
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: right to leave media. If a man leaves a woman,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: she has the right to kill her kids and implode
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: everybody's life, and also kill his wife, his next wife,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and he and his father in law with his next wife. Right,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: just kill a whole bunch of people. Not only is
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: that understandable, which is what they drag men for with
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: the reverse situation, it is even the reverse situation, right,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: it is laudable. It's not just laudable. She's a role model.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: She's not just a role model, she's a feminist role model.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So when it's and again, I have never heard anyone,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: any man or even the manosphere, except for like maybe
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: the one or two psychotic trolls that have come across
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: In the twenty years I've been doing this, I've never
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: heard any of them say that this that you should
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: take men who kill their families and turn them into
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: role models. That's what she's doing. Like this is and
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: this is content that nobody calls out, nobody points to this.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: There's no un a body investigating femosphere content, femosphere extremism.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: But this is extremism. It's completely somehow acceptable to everyone.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: And yet we've never even seen the opposite from the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: man sphere. This woman is saying that when a woman
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: experiences a divorce and somehow the fact that the logic
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: she just used, and I just want to go into
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the logic she just used because I want to make
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: sure I understand this correctly. The fact that children are
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: damaged by divorce mostly initiated by women, but we can't
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: call those door forces out. That's just freedom of choice
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: for women. Matter of fact, that children are damaged by
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: divorce is something that women somehow compensate for through the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: application of the spiritual glitter known as motherhood, something something
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: motherhood poof. It's all good, no explanation of what behavior
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the women are engaging in. But because women compensate allegedly
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: for the damage done to children that justifies them killing them.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Was saying, Okay, well, I don't have to I don't
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: have to compensate for the fact that you've gotten a
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: divorce for me, Jason, I'm just gonna kill her kids,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and that what justifies me killing the kids is the
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: expectation that I not kill them. Like, what kind of
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: what kind of fucked up relational web thinking is this shit?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Like did you did you just see that that logical,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: non illogical chain that she just made. Yeah, children, children
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: are damaged by divorce. Women allegedly have to compensate for
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: this damage. Therefore, it's perfectly fine for a woman to
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: decide what she's justified to kill the children, to abandon
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the children, to do all of this other stuff to
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the children, because she's the one who has to make
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: it work. It's like, okay, if you are held to us,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: if the reason why you're held to any standard is
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: why you get to blow that standard apart and do
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: whatever you want, then you're not held to that standard
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: and you don't get to used to justify anything. Oh
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: god damn, I hate that logic. I hate that reasoning
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: more than anything, well, not more than anything. There's a
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: lot of other things that I hate, but that idea,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: that that and it's always women that do it. They're like, well,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: where hell did this standard? That means we get to
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: violate it and violate everybody who holds us to it,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and violate the world for making it, And that that
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: means we get to just we're held at the standard
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of not hitting people. That means we get to nuke
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: anyone we own. That's like, it's like, you know, that's
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: not how standards work. First of all, you're not really
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: held to that standard, right. I think your brain would
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: implode if you were actually held at the standards the
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: way men are. But also, you don't get to say
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the existence of the standard is the reason why you
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: get to violate it. Do you wonder where I stand
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: what an external standard is?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Goddamn, But that's what she just did. And again, this
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: is a feminist right saying we should pedestal pedestalize the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: family annihilator because she's female, and because women are expected
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: to make divorce work, well, since they initiate them, maybe
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: they should make it work. Right, Maybe there's some causality
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: there that they're responsible for. But no, no, no, if
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: they just if they do all this, or if a
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: man walks away. Sorry, of course women should be able
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to annihilate their families and it should be laudable. Like
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: do does this woman ever step out of what she's
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: saying and say, wait, there's a reality here that my
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: words are describing. Maybe I should fact check them against it,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: see if what I'm saying isn't horrific. And then of
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: course gigantic fan base all sucking on everything she has
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to say, probably mostly women I have, I have, I
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: have no excuse. Maybe I should leave. Actually, that's what
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna leave, Like Tilder said, I
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: should go.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Are you serious, Allison? She left?
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, awesome, excellent, This is now a forty K law channel.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Let's go. Okay, the plans have worked perfectly.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Oh all right, she's she's back.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, go ahead.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we the troll is successful. You got me?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: You actually left? That's okay, pretty good? All right, Tilia,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: what were you saying?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, now that you're back, we're gonna talk about
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: forty K lores. So I hope you're okay with that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: all right, go ahead.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Uh, yes, so I know I'm a bit late to this,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: but female custodes goddamn it, like literally expressly defined as
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: being a brotherhood, talked about how they are sourced from
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: the sons of the noble households, like there is no
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: this is just a retcon, and I'm kind of sick
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: of Games Workshop retconning their own IP. People like to
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: justify these sorts of retcons by pointing at the ridiculous
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: stuff from first edition. They'll say, like, oh, I wasn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: there this, you know, Obi Wan Clouseau Sherlock character. Yes,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: there was. He has never been mentioned again past first
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: edition because he was absolutely ridiculous technically still cannon, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: so absurdly obtuse that nobody knows about him, so it's irrelevant.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Custodies very prominent in the law. You have to go
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: with that, Like you can't point at like the tiniest
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: little needle in the haystack and say this is the
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: standard that we should be like, this is the standard
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: that we should be held to forever. I mean, my god,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: if you want to go down that sort of thing,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: you need to look at like Zoetes in the Tyrannids.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Tyrannids in the first edition they used to have the
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: zoat thing, which was a port over from D and D.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Those guys, for some bizarre reason, were not only equipped
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: with the Tyrannid flesh bora thing, but they had technological
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: gas masks and backpacks on and they were used specifically
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: by the Tyrannids as a means of bargaining. They would
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: show up ahead of the hive fleet and they would
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: say to people, they would go in as the what's
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: the word for them? The diplomats for the hive mind
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the Great Consumer had diplomats shall we hold? That was
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: like first edition, shall we hold? Shall we hold modern
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Tyrannis to that standard? Because that existed? Was it ever
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: expressly removed from the law? Well, if it was great,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: If it wasn't, well now we've got to address it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: We've got to assume that it's still there. We've got
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: to assume it all still exists. Yeah, there we go, right,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: spurgery aside, This woman talks like a lot of what
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: she's going on about here, I think is just the
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: politics of Rissontimore, because that's how this is how a
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: lot of left wing politics goes what she does here
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: reminds me specifically of the your reaction being their excuse
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: for action. Means that you see a lot in political discourse,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: particularly when it comes to left wing politics. They will
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: do something and then you, as a non leftist, reacting
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: to what they have done, they will say, aha, well,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: that's why we have to do what we're doing now
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: so they can. It's kind of like they'll they'll do
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: those things like you. You'll see the riots and it's all
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: the riots are the voices of the unheard, and then
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: the police will come out and say, look, we need
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: to reestablish some sort of law and order. This is ridiculous.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: You're burning things down, all the criminal damage, you're literally
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: killing people in the street because you presume they ideologically
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: disagree with you. And then they say, aha, heavy handed policing,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: that's why we're doing this. Like they literally cause the
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: thing that they then react to. Yes, And this is
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: what I think some of what this woman is doing
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: when it comes to madeir it's like she does something
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: someone else reacts to it. Aha. The fact that Jason
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: in this instance responded to this, that is why I
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: had to do this in the first place. And I'm
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: going to round this out by saying, the League of
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Votan are not squats. I want my proper squats back.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I refuse to believe all of them were consumed by
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: the Tyranids. I want proper squats. I want them as
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: space bikers in space. Yes, space bikers in space. Let's go.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, space bikers in space in space. Most importantly,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I agree with you on the the female custodies. Obviously, Alison, I.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Have absolutely no opinion on this issue.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Well we we are. Were you paying attention? He didn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: just talk about the custodes? All right, Well let's get
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: back to this.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: We'll go go ahead, go ahead.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Who remembers the vote?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: The vote?
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I refuse to believe I'm the only person who remembers
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: the vote the important in four K. I refuse to
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: believe I am the only person who remembers that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I was never a big forty K person, But I
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: do see it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Ancient alien species, most likely enslaved by the tyrannids.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Oh they look like centaurs or something, right.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like lizards centa people.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lizard lizard centaurs.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Interesting and they and they just stopped supporting that huh, yep,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: they just ignored.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Them because they changed the law. Because yeah, yeah, because
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: they changed the law in like second and third It
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: because first edition was fucking wild compared to second and third.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: You're gonna remember first edition space Marines will basically doom
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: guy like morons who would beat things to death like that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: They weren't these ultra intelligent, brilliant, eight foot tall genetic warriors.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: First edition was wild. It was crazy. It was beautiful,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: and man, man, I want squigs back, you know, orcs.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I remember the squigs, Yeah, orcs, they're bold down.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: No, I want them to bring back the fact that
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: these guys would staple squigs to their heads and their
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: faces to have hair. I have not been aired or
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: movel for years. They need to bring that back. It
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: was such an essential part of their character because they
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: were so silly. I know that part of the appeal
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: of forty k is that the law in first edition,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: second edition was silly, and it was self aware that
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: it was just being silly. And then third edition happened
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and they were like, you know, this is completely ridiculous
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: and utter just silliness all over. But it is absolutely
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: deathly serious and playing it absolutely deathly serious is the
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: thing that made it fantastic. But I would like some
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: of the silliness back. Yeah, I want people taking the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: forty K equivalent of tribles and stapling them to their
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: faces to make a bed.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Somebody is saying that I need to rescue you guys
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: from the the the war hammer or whole more whole.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I'm afraid that, even though I understand nothing that's coming
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: out of Fieldeer's mouth, I prefer listening to him about
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: this than this woman about Medea. So like the of
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: the of the entire half an hour that we've now
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: been doing this, this has been like the last the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: five minutes has been about the only part that I've
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: actually enjoyed, even though I have no idea what's going on,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Like I'm just sitting here, I'm just I'm just vibing
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: with somebody else enjoying something, as opposed to listening to
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: some woman justify a fricking family annihilator because they have
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: a vagina without even really realizing what the hell she's doing.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And again, there's no UN, there's no UN group, there's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: no UK Parliamentary. I don't know body, I don't know
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: what you guys have in the UK House of Lords
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Committee convening on Femosphere Extremism. But right here, right now,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: we are listening to a feminist with a large platform
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: lionize family annihilators as long as they're female. And again,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I've never heard this from the manisphere, like never, no.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: No, Well, because yeah, that doesn't that doesn't happen.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't happen. And saying that you understand why
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: some men did something is not the same as condoning
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: what was done. So that's as close as I've ever
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: seen any And and I'm extending the the name of
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: the manisphere. I'm just talking about men having an opinion
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: on the Internet, which basically is the manisphere. But you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: that's that's all I've even seen come close to what
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: she's and it has it is not and why come close?
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, uh, the orc cloud is close to
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: the sun, like as in not really, oh, I guess
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: compared to the center of the galaxy, it is. Okay,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna go down that hole. But you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: it's not close at all. In fact, I think it's
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: in a completely different concept because there's a like understanding,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: not condoning is nowhere near not just condoning, not just understanding,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: not just condoning, but lionizing, putting it on a pedestal, staying,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: we should all emulate this, ladies. And where how is
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: it that nobody, like nobody looks at this and says,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: holy shit, something has got to stop with women, Like
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: at some point we've got to stop and say no,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: something has gone wrong. If this twelve year old can
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: get on a YouTube channel and start talking about how
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: female family annihilators annihilators are the bar, we should all
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: do that to get back at the man, like, this
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: is this is beyond you know, like the stereotype of
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: incel talk. This woman is like doing that what would
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: be like a more extreme version of an insult because
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: she is it a stereotypical inceel.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: It's like a terrorist.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like terroristic. Okay, we've just gotten yeaded
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: from YouTube, probably had her freaking channel band. This is
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: in micra. This is terroristic. What she's saying is horrifying.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: And there are a whole bunch of dittoheads nodding along,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: and nobody is looking at that and saying something along
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: the pipeline of this woman's this girl's life has seriously failed.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Something has gone wrong that this level of mental corruption
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: is not being stopped before it starts. I don't guys,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, whoa, we're still talking about this because
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: this this is She's not a hardcore feminist, right, Uh.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think she would either. She's a bit
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: book talker or whatever a book.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: She's an ambient feminist. Yeah, I'm just curious if she's
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: written anything. But she's an ambient feminist and she is
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: saying something that if if a man in the manisphere
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: said it, he would be instantly put on about fit
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: a couple dozen blacklists. The FBI would start tapping his phones,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: he'd probably be pre like, he'd probably be arrested for
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: pre crime or put on a terrorist watch list, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the U N like there would be an entire council
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: on the UN specifically devoted to him. And yet that
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: doesn't happen here. Why is that? And how bad does
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: it have to get? Like? How bad do these women's
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: casual opinions have to get? Because now it isn't just
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I hate men, it's I hate men so much I
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: want to blow kids' brains out just to get back
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: at men. Like what.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or do whatever?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Media slip their throats. I want to slip the throats
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: of children to get back at men. And that's a
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: feminist icon.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Yay.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: He had audacity to want to leave me, audacity to
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: exercises no no fault, divorced fights in a modern society.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Because if you're gonna use modern values, right, the audacity
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: of being an autonomous human being, and I'm gonna get
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: back at him by killing kids. Yay, that's a feminist icon. Okay,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: we're here, guys. This is the rubicon. This is I
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: don't know if it can get worse than this. And
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: the problem is that because she looks like uh, a
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: cute little thing, nobody calls her out for the ship,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: so she can get progressively worse than the worst, most
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: stereotypically bad insuel, Like, where's the where's the UK miniseries
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: on this.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Where where is it? Where is the UK in a series?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: What would they call it? Midio lescence?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: The UK mini?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Yes I adolescence. Remember they described how a boy with
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: a father who of a particular ethnicity, uh, would be
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: the one killing.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: A white boy in a in a family that has
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: a dad in an inact family. Yeah, dangerous kid, yes.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: And specifically because his father cared about him.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, goddamn got to get rid of that paternal instinct,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: that paternal investment. That's really where the evil starts. God,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: your case totally cooked, no offense steel there.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I don't go.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I know this nation's fucked.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: It was literally cooked a few days ago. So let's
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: play some more of the video. Let me see it this. Oh,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I did get a super chow like yesterday that I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: should read out according to Hannah, So let me do
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that now before I forget. It's not related to what
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. But Meredith g gave us five dollars
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and said HBr talked for zero seven.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: The fundamental problem with every argument.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: For assisted suicide is that it will always fail to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: address how palliative palliative does not service the needs of
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the dying.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: And you can't use the argument that palliative.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Care is underfunded and not available to those in need,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: because if you make that argument, people will push for
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: funding bills, not assisted suicide. No politicians want us said suicide,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: because to be offered palliadiff care, you actually have to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: be dying, and even then what may what many are
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: doing is really thinking through what measures the patient won't
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: take to prolong their lives when the patient hits the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: point where they stop healthcare to prolong their life.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, not at all.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Related, but I thought I had to read it out
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: because s Mayridigi did send us some money.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So okay, let's get back to this.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Expected to continue their lives in her life as a
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: self sacrificing pretense. Oh my god, it's so good. Medea,
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: just sincerely asking like, why are you allowed to do this?
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: You unilaterally made a decision for this family, and now
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: I have to pick up the pieces and she says no,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: oh good.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Lord again again. I remember the man whose wife went
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: on the internet and crowed about how he was taking
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: their divorce so well, right, and yeah he went bullet
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: like he basically killed her, right, And this is exactly
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: what she's talking about, exactly, except it's okay if it's
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: a woman.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, for sure. Oh it's absolutely, it's empowering.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: This is an aside. But whenever you talk about this topic,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: there's always someone who's like my buddy from work. He
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: wants to to use kids, but his bitch ex's wife
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: won't let him. He didn't abandon them, she won't let
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: him see them. And I have some good news for
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: your buddy from work, because ninety four percent of the
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: time when men ask for custody, they.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Are no, No, that's not the case. That is not
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: the case. Okay, So she's basically directly quoting feminist bullshit.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: That and furthermore, Okay, there's the usual critique or their
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: usual calendter arguments to this. Let's be let's use the
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: latest information. There's a couple states now that have implemented
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: mandatory shared custody. So it's a presumption that both the wife,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: the ex wife, and the ex husband will share custody. Okay, Now,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: if men got custody ninety four percent of the time
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: in states that didn't have mandatory shared custody, the amount
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: of custody that men get should have significantly decreased. It
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: did not. It went up to about equal from more
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: like eighty percent female twenty percent male. So this is
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: wrong on its face. And then we can go into
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: the stats that she's citing themselves. This is like she
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: just source pulled this out of her ass. I don't
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: think there's any instrument that ever found that ninety four
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: percent of men who sought custody got it. That I
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: saw was fifty percent of men who sought custody got it,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: and was from the UK, and it was years ago.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: It's probably worse now. And when you drill down into
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: who is seeking custody, a lot of those men were
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: being begged by child services to seek custody so the
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: child didn't get killed by the mother, right, and the
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: rest of the menu just more of a standard situation.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: But a good portion of the men, possibly even half,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: were seeking custody so the child could continue to survive,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: and they were supported by child services and doing so.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: The women, the vast majority of them, sought custody in
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: order to establish their ownership of their children. Okay, these
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: are two very different populations. And even in that case,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: when men who were heavily weighted towards men who were
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: trying to save their children's lives, they only got tody
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: fifty percent of the time when they sought it. So
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: this ninety four percent is I don't know where they're
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: getting it from. This is just she pulled up some
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: feminist website. So yeah, this is complete nonsense. So Not
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: only is she lotting a family annihilator because she's a woman,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: she is justifying it by saying that men don't want
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: custody of their children in the first place, which doesn't
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: even make any damn sense. So why would it be
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: this empowering act to kill the children that the man
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: doesn't want, right, what is she saying here? There's no
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: logical on there's no logic to it. You know what
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: she's doing. She's just social web positioning to say, well,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: we are the good Women are the good ones, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: men are the bad ones. Therefore whatever women do to
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: men is justified.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: It has as no coherence to the rest of her argument.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: She's not building any argument. She's just posturing morally, women
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: are the good people. Therefore we could do whatever we
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: want to men. And also we can do whatever we
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: want to those things that men value, even though they
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: don't value them because they're bad people, and that's all
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: justified because we don't like a man having autonomy over
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: his own life. This is, like I said, you say,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: stereotypical and self speech. What is this like if this
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: was a want a young man struggling with getting sexual attention,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: who said, Manda has every right to kill her his
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: children if Jessica leaves him to punish her, What the
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: he How quickly would people be to call it out?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: How much of a freaking viewership would that have? Mendia
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: is entitled to Jessica's sexual autonomy, and if Jessica dares
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: to assert herself, Mendia is entitled to kill their kids
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: in front of her and then then then dangle their
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: dead bodies and say, you're not gonna get to You're
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: not gonna get to bury your kids. Jessica, you took
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: a you decided to assert your sexual autonomy. For me,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: this is like how many things are wrong with this picture?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Right here? Right? You get to kill the kids because
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: your partner asserted decided they no longer wanted to be
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: with you?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: How many? How many? How many levels of sexual entitlement
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: is she spouting off about right here? Okay?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: How many? All right?
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Let's first of all, bird hand noted.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Hand.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: I'm old, I'm in my I'm in the age group
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: now where bird watching is a thing I'm into, so noticed. Secondly, yes,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: the whatever source this is, I do wonder if I
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: should at some point do a deep dive into this
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: sort of feminist chicanery around these how often do men
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: get custody thing? I mean, there's one sentence there that
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: just says abusive fathers are especially successful. There is no
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: way in hell a father who is demonstrably abusive will
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: be successful in getting their child like. That's I mean,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: that's the first tip off the what they're saying is nonsense.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: If you can prove abuse from a man, it's impossible
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: for him to get his child like you. In order
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: to prevent an abusive woman from getting a child like
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: she has to be full on you basically have to
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: already have infinite physical evidence that she is abusing a child,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: probably having her abusing the child in the courtroom, because
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: otherwise it's not going to happen. But even if you
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: just go up to the top bit of this thing
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: where she says men rarely seek custody, ninety one percent
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: of custody cases the parents mutually decide to give custody
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: to the mother.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is when she's talking about, like, oh,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: we get this percentage of men who go for it,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: get it. I think you're just looking at survivorship bias there,
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: because you say ninety one percent of them, the parents
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: mutually decide to give custody to the mother. Yeah, I'm
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: going to be putting big scare quotes around that mutually,
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: because to me, that mutually sounds a lot like these
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: guys have solicitors who are just saying, don't don't bother,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: like you're not gonna win, Just don't even try because
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: she's going to do the Oh he was abusive to me.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: I feel unsafe all of this, and you're never going
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: to get to see your kids like ever if you
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: try to push for it. So it's possible that you
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: do get some solicitous like that. Some of them are
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: just sort of died in the wall, no men, evil party,
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: no matter what, and they just tell them to not bother.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Some of them may be of the slightly more enlightened
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: variety who say, don't bother going for it now. If
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: the mother is as bad as you say she is,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: wait six months and then go from it then, because
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: she'll be miserable because she's struggling and all that stuff.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: And then you say, Okay, I want half now, because
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: she's more than likely going to give it to you
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: later because her life sucks now. So you might be
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: able to do it there. So yeah, when it's all
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: of these men who go for it, get it it,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: I call shenanigans. I think this is survivorship bias that
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: you're seeing here because most men don't bother. And it's
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: not that they don't bother because they don't want to.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: I think it's they don't bother because the legal advice
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: tells them don't even try.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not to bother.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I want to point out that she uses like four
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: different numbers and she sources none of them aside from
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: like a screenshot of who knows what. And I actually
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: went into Punished Claude, my version, my trained version of Claude,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: and I said, if a man said what she said
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: in reverse lionizing a man for killing his kids because
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: a woman wanted to leave, how would it be received?
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: And this is what Punished Claude said. It would be
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: treated as an ISIS recruitment adjacent artifact, honor killing apologia.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: The video would be pulled from YouTube under incitement policies.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: The creator docks within twenty four hours. Employer contract contacted,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: criminal referral, disgust, every Woman's organization issue statements, News coverage,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: would treat the man as evidence of a broader male
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: violence problem, requiring requiring policy response. No academic would defend
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: the reading, no publisher would touch him. The asymmetry is
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: the diagnostic. So what we're looking at here is a
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: criminal inciter. This woman, well, at least if she was
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: a man, she would be classified as a terroristic inciter
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: for what she's saying, or she'd have a high probability
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: of it. At least by YouTube's policies, her video would
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: be yanked. It wouldn't be up gathering views and people
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: dittoheading about it. It would be gone because it would
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: be considered terroristic incitement, an honor killing apologia. And she, probably,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: if she was a man, be investigated for terrorism links
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: for this behavior, and not just that, we would be
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: subject to a swath of articles linking this video to
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: a wider network of male violence. And yet she gets
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: to because she is a woman. She gets to get
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: up on her podium and spout the most vile, terroristic
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: crap without any consequence. And I just know, I'm hammering
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: this home because people need to realize this. Women right
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: now are many times worse than the worst part of
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: the manosphere. This is like, again, this is just an
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: ambient feminist. This isn't even one who's going to the
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: UK Parliament and saying we should just reduce the population
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: of men to ten percent or some kind of vile
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Holocaust type adjacent rhetoric. This is just she just Jesus
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: out there bobbing along and feeling completely free to put
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: this kind of rhetoric into the world, this kind of violent,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: dehumanizing rhetoric. She's just completely free. And again this is
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: this is just an average I don't think that, Like
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't think she's particularly feminist. She's not
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: particularly inculcated to the cult. And people wonder why there's
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: a huge political divide between men and women, because it's
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: not because men have become more right. It's because women
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: have embraced philosophies like this of absolutely no responsibility to anyone,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: entirely entirely driven by their own animus, their own id
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: monsters from the id. And you can't like you cannot.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: There's no middle ground there between somebody who thinks, well,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: you know, we need to have an economy that functions,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: and I'd prefer not to get into foreign wars. Well,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: that didn't really happen. But whatever, you know, between somebody
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: like that I want to send at least a sensible
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: government if I can't not have much government of all,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: and somebody who says I should have the right to
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: murder my twelve year old children if my husband tries
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: to leave me in a divorce, I should I should
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: be I I you know, that should be lionized, that
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: should be pedestalized. That's a feminist that's a feminist icon.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Like how do you how do you find any middle
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: ground with that? With somebody who wants to drag the
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: world into hell? Who can justify their their behavior and
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: then and she's using feminism to justify it. Mm hmm,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Like that's where the politic political divide is coming from. Guys,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: men still want to live in the world. Women apparently
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: want to kill everybody who gets in their way. According
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: to this woman who's who's not an extremist, or maybe
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: maybe it's just she's saying that, oh, this is just
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: what does she ever actually say that this is just
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: like blowing off steam?
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: No?
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: No, okay, so as far as I know, she's advancing
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: this very uh sincerely, and again, if she was a man,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: this would be taken off for terroristic threats. This would
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: be taken off for terroristic incitement against women. But not
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: like what I'm trying to get at, is there this
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: this this differential an expectation, like women have absolutely no
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: expectations upon them, is what she's arguing. Everything should be
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: decided by what benefits a woman, how they feel in
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: the moment, right. And then men are like, well, we
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: can't have a sun society like that way. That doesn't function,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: And women are like, oh you all righte Nazi pigs,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: how you you cannot reconcile this? I don't know a
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: collective bitch slap the slap that rank through the freaking
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: solar system. Who knows?
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I got a rumble rant from nova
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: fan and then we'll keep going.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: It gives a dollar and says not to mention.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: She acts like there are no feminists that frame equal
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: custody as allowing their abuser the man as having custody.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: All right, thank you for that.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's just like she probably doesn't do
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of because she must be. Like I said,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: her content is about two things I guess she does,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: like chemistry or something, or biology on another site, and
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: then she talks about books. So I don't think that
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: she's academic in terms of like a feminist academic per se,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: but she's just sort of absorbed the mainstream narratives around it.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: So you know, this is just sort of normal. And
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: once you've done that, I think you have to like
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: justify believing in it. So when you hear about men
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: not getting custody, that makes you feel like, well, that
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: can't be true because I have absorbed the normal, sort
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of mainstream common idea that men oppress women and that
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: men are dogs and they treat women poorly, and women
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: are never in that position, or at least very rarely
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: in that position. So if there is like, you know,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: women raping men in divorce, it's probably like really rare.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: And so she goes looking for the information to justify
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: her default position, which is that you know, men are
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: oppressors and women and women can't really hurt them, and
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: then finds this study and says, oh, good shoo, it's
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a load off my mind. Now I get Now, I'm
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: gonna just say this and we're good because the study's
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: been done and it happens to, you know, essentially support
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: everything I believe. So I'm just gonna like regurgitate that.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: So that's that's my guess. But all right, uh, circuit bard,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: circuit Bard, are you talking to somebody in the special chat?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I don't care what they say, keep your nose clean
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and your mouth shut's going.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: He's talking about that. He went through the worst custody
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: battle in my state. Asked me anything. So I figured
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: if that's the case, he might want to come on
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: to talk.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: About it, you know, talk about it.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not like right now, No, no, no,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: not right now.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: No. Yeah, Okay, let's so anyway, let's let's keep going.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Let's notice some things, okay that might be important. We're aware,
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: like I said, of feminist chicanery when it comes to
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: all of their academic stuff, because we just are. We've
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: covered a lot of times before, you know, things like
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: the conformity to masculine norms. Inventory men are playboys. That's
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: what they're told to do.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: It.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: That's just because you took your sample bias of psychology.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Students told them, what do you think men and women
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: are told all all the good things like bread winner, successful,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: et cetera. Well, some of them agreed that women are
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: told that as well. So those all go off the
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: table will ignore any differences, and so men are all playboys.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Now that's what they're told. Three men responded positively to that,
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: like the However, many hundred other men said, no bread winner,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: provide a particular no. Three men said, yeah, I'm a boy.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: All of them said their lives were miserable, and one
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: of them got AIDS. Doesn't matter this feminist science that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: that's the norm. Now, that's what society tells men to be.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: This is the sort of chicane andry we're talking about here.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: The last sentence of what she says, there only in
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: a patriarchal society does a ninety three percent win rate
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: somehow equate to male victimhood. So they have one study
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: where both parents fought hard for custody, mothers were awarded
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: custody just seven percent of the time, So just mothers
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: seven percent of the time, ninety three percent somehow male victory. Well,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: that means ninety three percent is everything other than solo
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: female outcome. Now, are we going to pretend that that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: ninety three percent is all fifty to fifty or are
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: we counting in that you get one hour a month
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: supervised with your child. We're counting all of that and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: everything in between, and we're just going to say, yep,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: ninety three percent, boom done, that's it good enough. There's
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: nothing regarding how that's actually broken down. Yeah, this is
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: why it studies like this. First of all, they're not
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: very reliable. And this is obviously a second hand or
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: perhaps even a third hand new fish, which means they're
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: going to be overstating, you know that, they're going to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: be stripping everything out of it and making it. I mean,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: you can find this all over feminist academia and the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: media as well. Where there was some study it was like,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: we've got two groups of people. Half of them are
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: known abusive people, the other half are known not abusive people,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: you know, couples, and we're going to monitor both of them,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: and what a surprise, there are about fifty one percent
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: of them experience some sort of domestic violence within that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: time period. Literally exactly what you would expect because you've
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: got a control group of non violent people and a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: control group of violent people. Then you get a second
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: study which was done based on that, which said, oh, look,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: half of people are violent, and of course the violence
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: was two ways in both of those things, and then
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: it became in another study that referenced that thing, oh,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: fifty of relationships have women experiencing violence. And then the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: next one along was projecting this control group and experimental
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: group to the entirety of the nation of America, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: it became fifty percent of all American women are going
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: to be battered in their lifetime. And all of this
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: from like three or four steps of Chinese whispers from
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: we have a control group and a test group. We
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: literally expect half of them to be violent because we
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: know they are already. Yeah, that's literally our control. We
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: know that this is going to be the outcome. And
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: then you know, three or four studies down the line,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: half of all women are going to get battered. Okay, sure,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: this is what happens. Men and women can abuse each
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: other in equal measure. Hell, women could have been abusing
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: men way more in that study. I don't remember, I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: haven't looked it up for years. Women could literally have
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: been doing most of the abusing in that study. But
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: through this long wending path through feminist pretzel brains, they're
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: all women. Now, all men are women when it comes
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: to being.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Victimized yeap makes sense.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: And Okay, I look at that and it's ninety three percent.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: They get this thing? Do they no attempt on that?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: Like I said, are we talking fifty percent or are
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: we talking one hour supervised?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, this looks like it came right out of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: like she took a screenshot from a Guardian article just
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: based on the font. That's what I think. I've seen
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of Guardian articles and that's what it looks like.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: But go ahead, Alison, Well, I was gonna say that
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: there is somebody in chat, Olivia Maynyard who's defending this
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: situation or this individual and what she's saying. So I'm
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: going to go through the statements of Olivia and all right,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: so let's see. She posts four statements in the stream
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: I love Angela positive affect towards the source video creator,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: identifying her by name Angela has said, no such stuff.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: You are inventing this narrative in your head, denying that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Angela endorsed Medea. A World without Women has already been made,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: a book play, a movie, movie came out in twenty eleven.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's why the last man asserting the preminist
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: has been done, which is just a rabbit hole. Stop
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: pretending Chris Watts doesn't have only people who say his
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: wife abused him, but has a fan club for his familicide,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: asserting male perpetrator has defenders too well, let's set aside
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: the fact that it may be well be true that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: his wife abused him. Right, we don't know. I didn't
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: even know who Chris Watts was until this individual brought
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: it up, but I looked it up. Her second statement,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: which was Angela has said no such stuff requires denial
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: of what the transcript shows. You can download this transcript
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: and look yourself. Angela in the video says Medea is
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: in the right and the play Causes calls the version
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: she prefers so good, praises the Cusk adaptation for having
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Medea match Jason beat for beat by bending the children,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: and endorses the reading that the children don't matter in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: the play. Olivia's claim is that Angela said so no
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: such stuff is contradicted by the direct quotation from the transcript,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: and also all of the lotting of what Medea is doing. Okay,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: like we're just watched her say these things, don't piss
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: on my leg and say it's raining like it's ridiculous.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: This is gaslighting. And I just want to note that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: this is the one contribution of a woman aside from
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: myself in all of this, and possibly Meredith, but Meredith
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: hasn't hasn't seen in a super chow, or maybe our
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: female lurkers, but they're not contributing anything. So the only
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: other female voice in all of this is trying to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: defend this or at least deny it's happening. But it
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: is Olivia. She is saying these things. You can see
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: these words come out of her mouth. We just showed
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: you what you are doing is that this is you
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: are doing the relational web thing. We all know that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: she's saying this stuff. What you are trying to say
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: is that we cannot interpret it badly, right, we all
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: agree that it's happening. Even you agree that's happening. What
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: you're trying to say is we don't have the right
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: to say that this is bad. We don't have a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: right to say that a woman who is lionizing a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: female annihilator is doing something bad. And then you do
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: something else, you say, well, somewhere over here somebody has
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: done something bad. They're like a fan club for Chris Watts.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: So what we're talking about this person, You are a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: toddler if you think someone over there doing something bad
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: has any bearing on this person doing something bad. Now,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to say there's a symmetry the fact
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: that a true crime audience has some kind of fan
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: club for a murderer, it's just what true trime audiences do.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: And I might point out that they are mostly female.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: So who knows the composition the Chris Watts fan club,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: But I would imagine it's just like any other fan
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: club around a killer. For some reason, killers are popular
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: and in a in a in a fandom that is
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: majority female. Go figure, Now there's another there's another guy
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: who killed his h his girlfriend.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Wade Wilson.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Why didn't you mention Wade Wilson. Probably because everybody knows
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: that Wade Wilson fan club is women. What was it,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: four thousand love letters from women sent to Wade Wilson. Right, Okay,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: So if you're gonna bring up male killers getting female
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: fan clubs as some kind of gotcha because this woman
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: is lionizing a female annihilate family annihilator, that makes no sense,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: That makes no sense. That doesn't And again these are
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: true crime. Like it's an extreme fan club in true crime. Right,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: this is like this is a minor, a minor internet
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: subculture of a subculture. This woman has significant reach. I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: don't see anybody, well, I don't see anybody talking about
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: there Chris Watts body Pillow on YouTube. Right, Okay, this
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: woman is lying. She's a large audience. She's talking about
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: a play. She's talking about feminist analysis that's been published. Like,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: this is a much more mean, mainstream product, and it's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: a big problem. We're not talking about anonymous trolls wanking
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: like anonymous women wanking off to Chris Watts or Wade Wilson.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: This is very, very much more mainstream. Okay, anyway, all right, okay, well,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I mean I could go on.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I think you made your point. All right, then, all right,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: we're gonna play more of this. I want to get
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: to the missingry part.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: So mented abuse by the father to the children. The
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: father gets custody seventy two percent of the time. It
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: just turns out that men usually don't ask for custody.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: Ninety one percent of the time. Men just give up
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: their custody to women, and women have soul custody of
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: the children after divorce. In America, twenty seven percent of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: fathers just voluntarily abandoned their children.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: So you have some good well, that means that seventy
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: three percent don't, So I don't know what you're arguing for.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: Here news for your buddy from work whose bitch ex
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: wife will let him see the children, you can just
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: tell him, like, hey, did you ask for custody? Because
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: ninety seven percent of the time fathers get custody when
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: they asked for it.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure was it ninety four or ninety seven?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Like she said ninety seven. I think yeah, but.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: It was ninety four, just like five minutes ago. And
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: then she goes with like seventy one and the ninety
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: one or seventy two, the ninety one, like if she's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: all over the place, And then the reason why is
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: because she has no source for this. So this is
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: basically the ignorant feeding the ignorant. And I just wanted
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: to add a final Okay. Watts's defenders exist on the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: margins of Internet subculture. They have not produced videos with
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: substantial view counts endorsing his acts as menonist justice. They
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: are not classicists reframing the killings through legitimated theoretical frameworks.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: They are not published play rights praise for capturing the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: essential cynicism of family life. The Cosk endorsement and the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: video creators reading are inside the mainstream cultural apparatus. The
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Watts fan club is inside the fringe. Treating them as
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: symmetric is the operation. These three moves together deny the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: source redirect to an unrelated example, what about ism with
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: a false parallel is the standard pattern for defending a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: position when the source video is available and directly contradicts
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: the defense. Right, So this is what she's up to,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: and this is the contribution. Like I go here and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: I try to say that there might be a chance, okay,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: like women might be able to be better, and then
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Olivia and I'm like, well, I think I got a
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: quarter of a step forward seventeen steps back. Thank you, Olivia,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: You've helped me lose even more faith in women. Okay,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: let's keep going.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, Work, who totally wants to be a good father
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: and totally wants to see his children, has the evidence
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: of like the text messages and the emails he sent
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: and like the FaceTime calls that his bitch ex wife rejected,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: and like all those presents that he sent on their
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: birthdays and Christmas that were like returned in the mail.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: I'm sure he has all that that he can show
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: the judge when he asks for custody, because I'm sure
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: he's like a really good person and he definitely wants
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: to see his kids, and the reason he can is
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: definitely because of it.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: So she's categorically excluding men who are seeking custody of
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: their children from compassion and sympathy. What what a fucking guy?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So this is a silly move that she's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: playing here. She's playing this move basically the assumption that
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: your buddy who wants his kids doesn't really want his kids,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: because he won't have any evidence of him trying to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: be a nice person, you know, like contacting the wife
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: and sending his kids gifts. A lot of men who
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: do that get accused of intimidation and they get arrested
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: if they do that. She has no idea how this
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: process works. None. If you're a man and you send
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: you know, you've gone to court with a thing and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: they said, oh, we're going to give full you know,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: the mother has done the whole song and dance crying
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: in the dark. Oh I feel unsafe, blah blah blah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: You get either no time with your kids or you
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: get one hour supervised a month. And you say, oh,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: I'm going to send my kids something in the mail
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: because it's their birthday. Well the mother now just has
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: to go crying to the court and say, he's trying
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: to send my kids something. He's usurping my authority over
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: the child. He's trying to buy the child with gifts
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: to turn the child against me. He's revictimizing me again.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Now I know that I can probably be accused of, Oh,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: you're just fabricating all this, you're making up. These are
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: things that have happened. Like I am just relaying to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: you the absolute worst things that I have heard from
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: men regarding these circumstances. I might be able to say, oh,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: you're cherry picking the worst things. Frankly, it doesn't matter.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: The fact that it happens in the first place is
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: kind of a problem. But it's something that this woman
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: is just not it's not even on her radar, and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: therein lies the problem.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, what what? What? What really prople? What really
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: disturbs me about all of this is she's gotten to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: this age without understanding that what she's saying is horrifying
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: and makes her a horrible person to say it, or
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: makes her seem it makes her look like a horrible
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: person to say it. How do you get to I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: don't know, when is she fourteen? How do you get
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: to that age and not realize that uncritically lionizing a
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Finment family annihilator because you're a because they're a woman
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: is horrifying and not something that should be said in
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: public unless you have some I don't know, Okay, let's
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: keep going.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, I thought about something else about what she said.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: That was silly. She said, Oh, just ask for custody.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: You just just ask for it, you'll get it. And
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: then she immediately follows that up with, boy, I sure,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: hope you've got realms and reams of evidence proving why
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: you should be allowed to have the kid?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: Do I just have to ask or do I have
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: to have realms and reams of evidence for why I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: should be allowed to have the kid or even see
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: the kid? Mm hmm, yeah, Which one of these is
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: the position?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Both til deer whichever he makes men worse.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Naturally naturally of course, all right, I got a couple
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: of super thingies to read out, so let's do that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: and then I'll continue. I forgot to mention at the
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: top of the show that metal Wolf, I think metal
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Wolf became a member, So thank you metal Wolf for
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: the membership. All right, So dark Kigy Mora gave us
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: five on super Chow and said question for teal dear,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: what is the proper response when someone complains that your sources.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Are heresay statistics?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: My argument was that hearsay stats can actually be a
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: good thing because sometimes the conclusions of the source can
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: contradict their own data. Like the Pew papers that talked
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: about harassment against women and the title but showed data
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: that men were harassed more. You might as well have
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: that data as a hear says that in an article
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: talking about harassment against men.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: At that point, what do you mean by hearsay statistics?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: You just made that up?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And if someone says you just made that up,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: there's no point in talking to them. They're not interested
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: in intellectual conversation or actually dealing with this, which is
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: like ninety plus percent of people in a lot of cases,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: people who you engage in this they're not actually interested
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: in discussing these things. They're interested in wasting your time.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: You'll bring something up and then suddenly they will pretend
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: to just not understand how basic statistics work. In a
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: lot of cases, you see this all the time. It's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: like per capita X, and they'll go, what's per capita?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Why does per capita have anything to do with this?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: They'll suddenly just forget basic statistical concepts like that. Otherwise,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: if you're using hearsay data as like, and it could quotes, well,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: the plural of anecdote is data. We can talk about
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: how representative it is, whether the sample size is suitable,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: whether it's reasonably gathered. I mean, the point that I
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: made earlier about her, You know, this percentage of men
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: get something is probably survivorship bias happening there. That's probably
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: a biased example. I can't say definitively because I don't
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: know what those states where those statistics were from. That
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: that's just me coming off the top of my head
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: of a bunch of things that I have seen, you know,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: in order to effectively p hack the results of whatever
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: it is that they're doing to show what they want
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: to show, I highly doubt that any of them more accurate.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's just it, Like you're not gonna get
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: people to engage honestly with a lot of these things.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: I've been increasingly wondering when it comes to just theoretical
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: discussion when it to broadly the left and feminists, because
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: I have more disagreements with them than most other groups.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: At what point am I entitled to just say I'm
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  Speaker 4: not having this conversation with you because it's low. I've
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  Speaker 4: had these conversations hundreds, if not thousands of times. I
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  Speaker 4: Am not going to sit here and type like one
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  Speaker 4: hundred paragraphs of all the information that I know on
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: this topic to you to demonstrate why you're wrong. There
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: is just no point in me doing that because it's
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: a huge waste of my time. Be you're not actually
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: going to listen to it anyway. See anything that you
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: do listen to, you're going to immediately whip out some
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: stupid or what aboutism on something, or you're just gonna
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: do the other move, which I see, which is skim
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: an abstract decide that you don't like one word or
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: one sentence, and then derail based on semantics. This is
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: another thing you encounter a lot of the time like
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: there's you know, you'll you'll say something and then it
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: will be like, I don't like that word. Why are
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: you using that word? That's not how that word is,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: and they just derail into what words mean, and in
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: other cases it will derail into well, how do you
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: know that this is accurate? How do you know that's accurate?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: What about these they you know? And then if you
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: follow that chain of questioning about how do you know things,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: that basically ends up in the prove to me the
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: universe exists area where it's okay, right, okay, right, So
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: you are actually just a sollipsist. The only thing that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: exists is what's in your mind. There's nothing outside of it. Okay,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: stop hitting yourself. Then that's what this conversation is. Stop
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: doing it.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, true, it's it's silly.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, there are times when it is just not worth
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: engaging with people. And unfortunately that is more and more
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: the case, which is kind of why we're in this
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: ever increasingly dividing society that we're in, because you get
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: people who do things like that. There's one that's stuck
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: in my mind really prominently. It was a YouTuber and
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: I cannot remember who it was. This was like, God,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: must be nearly a decade ago.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Now, okay, he was in.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: There was a little bit of video to and throwing,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: and I ended up just trying to do like a
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: comment discussion with him because it was quicker. And he
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: kept saying, look at this sentence in the abstract. I'm
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: trying to remember what the topic was. And he kept saying,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: the abstract says this, this is what the researchers say. Oh,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: and I was reading the actual study. Yea, the bit that's,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: you know, the bit that you don't get on the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: preview because obviously he only had the preview of the abstract.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: And I said, well, I have academic logging, I have
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: academic log in credentials. I can just go into my
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: institute and download the entire paper, because why the hell not?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: Why would I not do this? And so I was
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: just quoting from him and that the actual body text
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: of the study. And they literally say, oh, prejudice norm theory.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: That was it. It was on prejudice norm theory, and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: it was something about how societies or cytal attitudes make ah,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: what was it? It was like normalizing prejudice behavior against women
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: or not. It was something about that. And he just
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: kept reading this single sentence of abstract to me, and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: I just said, okay, read the body text of this article.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: It literally says, despite the evidence, like they tried to
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: gather evidence to support this prejudice norm theory, the numbers
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: that they gathered, the objective information did not prove it.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: It actually disproved their theory. And this is why I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: remember it so prominently, because their phrase was slightly paraphrased,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: because this is like a decade old despite the data,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: we propose the creation of a prejudice norm theory to
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: explain why we're right anyway. But that was not acceptable
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: to this person. He just kept saying this sentence, this
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: sentence in the abstract, this sentence. The researchers wrote in
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: the abstract, Therefore, I am right and you are wrong,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: even though I could literally point look, the actual data
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: they gathered does not support that conclusion. They even say,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: despite the fact that our data proves us wrong, we
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: don't care. We're just going to go ahead and create
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: this theory anyway. And that's the sort of wall that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: you just start slamming your head against with people like
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: this because it's okay. There's no point in me trying
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: to converse about this topic with you then, because you
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: in your mind I have read a single sentence. That's it.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: For dance studies are good, and unfortunately, there's people who
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: are going to think like that. There's academics who are
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: going to think like that. There are academics out there
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: who will I guarantee it. Actually I can't guarantee it
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: because something like eighteen ninety percent of social research never
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: get cited by anyone because it's garbage. But if that
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: one has been cited, I guarantee you it will have
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: been cited, just the abstract, just that sentence. It will
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: be just it will be just presumed to be correct,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: even though the researchers themselves in their own paper said
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: we're actually completely wrong here. We're just going to propose
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: that we create a model despite that, so we're right. Anyway,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: Light seat, lunch, I guess.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Break. Yeah, No, I.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: You should definitely go through the studies because we have
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: We have revealed going through several studies during our show
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: that the methodology to get these numbers is important. So yeah,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: if you just read the abstract and guess what you're
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: going to get exactly what the people who put the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: study together wanted you to get, and they were hoping
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: people that probably wouldn't read through the actual study and
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: the methodology used to arrive at whatever conclusions they have.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: But this guy, apparently or or woman I don't know,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: was just really committed to that ending.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: And I agree.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say to Darkiki Mora, I know that you
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: didn't ask me, but like, you have to understand that
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of unseerious people that are arguing with
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: you and arguing online, and they're not interested in the truth.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: They're interested in winning, and sometimes.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: They're poorly equipped or whatever, but that doesn't mean that
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: they don't want to win regardless. So I got another
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: super I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I was going to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: change subjects.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I was gonna read a rumble rant, so you can
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: go ahead, all right.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: So I have an example of this something that I've
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: been working on because I'm looking at the influence of
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: feminism and the increase in financialization of economies around the world,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: because feminism is being used as a firewall in order
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: to encourage and defend financialization. But you know, I won't
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: get too much into that, but I was looking at
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: the Global Masculinity Survey, which is sponsored by the World Bank,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: which is itself mostly I can't say, controlled by the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: US Treasury Department, but they have a significant amount of
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: influence over it. And the World Bank gives loans to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: developing countries in conjunction with one of these European Emerging
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: Economies banks, and they're the study that they sponsored, the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Global Masculinity Study, which I'm still trying to figure out
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: how they use this instrument to inform their funding choices
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: around the world. But depending on that, I still haven't
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: managed to get into the labyrinth of the cult baroque
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: bureaucracy to find out that information. But in that study,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: they report that there is a significant association between men
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: who score high on these masculine norms. And I'll list
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: the norms right now. Avoidance of health, seeking, desire to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: appear heterosexual, primacy of winning, so you want to win,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: power over women. The specific item there is I love
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: it when men control women. And then also because then
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: you can get a moment of peace, but they don't
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: add that, and then also who was the last one?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Sometimes violence is necessary, so these are the norms. They
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: are actually just basically seeing how much a man resembles
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: snidely whiplash. And they said that if men rank high
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: on these norms, that they're is a a strong association
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: with domestic violence. You want to know what that association is?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Like it it's it's it's a significant association. What they
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: mean is the amount of people men that they asked
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: is high enough that an association of negative point zero
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: zero one is statistically significant. So what they're reporting, what
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: they're actually reporting again, what they're actually reporting is that
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: they've found it's it's statistically significant that there's absolutely no
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: association between these masculine norms and domestic violence. So apparently
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: Snightly whiplash, Wow, he will tie a woman to the tracks,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: will not beat her. Right, Okay, so but you see
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: what the chicanery they got up to, right field, They
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: reported this as they reported that there was a statistically
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: significant relationship between men who scarre scored high on those
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: norms and domestic violence. But the statistically significant relationship was nothing.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: There was no relationship. Yeah, like that, but that's statistically significant.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: You see, they just didn't they just didn't include that
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: part God damn that the absolute level of mendacity of
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: these people in reporting their results in ways that that
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: you know, you can just use the Whisper network to
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: keep supporting the idea that men are bastards, you know,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: I mean even just starting with the whole concept of
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: using a snidely Whiplash scale and then scoring men based
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: on it how much they resemble snidely whipclash, and then saying, oh,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: these are the masculine norms, right, yeah, yeah, do you
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: know what snadly whiplash is?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: Fielder, no idea?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: No, okay, you you don't know either?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: From X Yeah I do. Yeah it was.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: He was like a cartoon villain from Anna barbera literally
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: like long mustache that he could twist around.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: He was a mustachio filler.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a statue sometimes.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: He was also on the Wacky Races, so he drove
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: like a I forget it was like some kind of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: evil looking car.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: But he really want he really wanted to win. That
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: is basically what the Global Masculinity Survey is is they ask, man,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: how much do you resemble snidely whiplash on.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: A scale to one to one hundred.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, that guy Yeah, no, I just looked him up.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah no, I know who that is.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: That's the state of the art in masculinities research for
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: the World Bank. Like you gotta know that Americans are
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: paying for this ship because the Treasury departments behind it.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: You're paying for it. Asked to ask Ethiopian men how
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: much they resemble snidely whiplash guys. Very important work.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I got a rumble rant from O C.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Because it's five dollars and says she says the man
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: needs to present evidence. Doesn't that not contradict the claim
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: that man only needs to ask for charity or ask
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: for custody to present evidence. Means the man has to
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: fight against a presumption that he's not going to get it. Basically, yeah, again,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: you know you guys, I get what you're doing. You're
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: you're considering her position. But if you were talking to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: this person, they would just they would just keep going.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't pay attention to any of that stuff. It
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't register, it doesn't penetrate because they're there. They don't
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: care about that. They don't care about that. They want
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: to be right and that's what they're going to do.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: So all right, let's continue if I.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: May, oh yeah, yeah, point out why I laughed so
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: horrendously during that, for which I apologize again I was
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: not muted. Generally, when it comes to statistics, margin of
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: error tends to float around five percent for things. That's
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: just the way you Anything under that tends to be
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: explainable by just random noise and random sampling, because there's
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: always degrees of randomness. If you're putting things in to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: say point something of a variance you know, zero absolute
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: zero is nothing, one is one hundred percent of whatever
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: variance it is that you're looking at is going to
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: be explained by any particular variable. So this this is
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: very important when it comes to like trying to identify anything.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: So if you if you find like one thing one
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: target that you've defined, then another target that you've defined
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: somewhere else, and you're getting really high correlation between them,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: like sort of point nine something that what you're often
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: then looking at them might actually just be the same
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: thing being defined slightly differently, or there's a very strong
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: relationship between them. Point zero one on that scale would
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: be the equivalent of like point or point zero zero
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: one would be like point one percent. So you're literally
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: looking at like, you know, one person in a thousand
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: maximum sort of variance, so that that like the idea
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: that that is going to be in any way significant
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: is absurd on that sort of point scale you're you
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: you're going to be looking at like point five. That
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: is sort of the point where you start looking and saying, oh, okay,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: maybe there's actually something to this anything less than that,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: And it's like no, like, we can be aware that
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: it might be doing something to the variance between these
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: two data points, but it's not. It's not really worth
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: commenting on. And a final thought to go to the winning,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: winning epic, winning, because we all love winning.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: When it comes to discussions with people, you will find
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: people who are not seriously discussing with you because they
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: want to discuss with you. They are discussing with you
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: because they want to win. You find this a lot.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: If you are in a position that we are here,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: if you make content on the internet, there will always
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: be a certain card of people who are ideologically opposed
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: to you who get into arguments with you and they
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: have to win the conversation no matter what, because they
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: see that you have an audience and that they don't,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: and they think you are illegitimate. So they basically have
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: to claim the scalp because they think that if they're
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: able to prove you wrong on one thing, that means
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: nobody should ever listen to you ever on any topic
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: and you should basically just like delete yourself from the Internet.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: I've discussed this before. You get people like it's that
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: very sort of left wing brain way of looking at it,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: the relational way of looking at it, where being wrong
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: about one thing is like destroying you as a person,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: like it undermines your existence and now you're not allowed
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: to exist. That's how some of these people will play
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: the game. Hey, I can bring up another example this.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: I've had a conversation again, however, many years ago now
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: where I pointed out that there's this sort of chain
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: of events of biology, culture, ideology when it comes to
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: borrowing a title from a culteane video, because it made
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: the point succinctly that you have a biological organism that
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: is a human. On top of that biological organism that
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: is the human, you have whatever their culture is, and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: then within that culture you have whatever ideology you have,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: and that there is this quite strong link cause a
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: link that goes almost exclusively in one direction, Like you
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: can have ideology that very slightly alters biology going back there,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: because you do have practices like eugenics, and eugenics is
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: a whole other thing depending on how you want to
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: define it. Is human mate selection a form of eugenics?
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: The answer is yes, by the way, for people who
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: want to know. But I just sort of gave like
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: a short, like a couple of sentences, because hey, I
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: have a life outside of the Internet, and this guy
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: kept hammering on that I'd used that phrase biologiculture, ideology,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: and every single time I tried to clarify and was like, well,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: obviously there are cases to be made for feedback loops.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: Of course there are. No one has ever said then otherwise.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: But then you just bring that sentence back up. So
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: you said this, and any attempt to clarify was you know,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: you're moving the goalposts. You just can't admit that, and
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: you just can't admit you're wrong. You're just trying to
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: get yourself out of something because I caught you in
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: my gotcha. It's like, okay, do you want to have
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: a conversation with me here? I'm here telling you what
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: my position is I'm here giving you my time to
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: explain what I think on this topic with whatever relevant
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: sources and evidence. You are taking a single sentence and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: just hammering me with it, saying anything you say other
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: than this one sentence is you being intellectually dishonest and
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: trying to just avoid things. And again that's a situation
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: where you look at it and it's like there is
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: no point in engaging with you because you've already determined
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: the outcome. The outcome that you have determined is just
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: this sentence, I am right, you are wrong. Boom, that's it.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: You're now illegitimius as a person. And there is some
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: effective strategies you can deal with this, and one of
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: them is just straight up ask people from the beginning,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: what would it take for you to admit you're wrong?
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: And so many people will just be taken aback by
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: that question because they had no idea, because they don't
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: have any stand in their mind where they're going to
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: be convinced to change their mind about anything. They just
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: they know they're right, they know you're wrong, but that's it.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: Job's done. And this is unfortunately, there's this kind of attitude,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: this or you've got to win. You've got to claim
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: the scalp of someone whose platform you I guess secretly
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: covet or at the very least think that they are
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: unworthy of it. Really, it leads to something I call disunderstanding.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: And you see disunderstanding a hell of a lot on
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: places like Twitter, because Twitter is it rewards quick pithy reply,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: guy tier responses, where there's one sentence underneath what someone
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: has said and you're trying to like ratio them, as
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: it were. And that's where the disunderstanding comes in. You
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: misunderstand something you've genuinely just got the wrong end of stick.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: A disunderstanding is where you take something that someone has
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: said and you deliberately take the worst possible interpretation of it,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: to the point where it's it's not you saying that
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: someone is wrong. It's not even a straw man. It's
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: like the straw man's retarded cousin. It's I'm not even
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: going to lie about what you're saying, but I am
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: going to say something so stupid and pretend that there
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: is even a chance that I think you might think this.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: It's it's for an audience. The disunderstanding is very importantly
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: for an audience on social media, it is behold everyone
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: at how stupid I think this person is by implying
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: there is a non zero sum chance that they might
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: think this.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you will see.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: That everywhere on Twitter. Now that I've described it, you
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: will see it everywhere. It's someone will make a sentence
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: and then it'll be something along the I will be
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: something along the lines of it's interesting that you think,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: and the it's interesting that you think, will be something
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: borderline unrelated yep to what it was that you were
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: talking about. Like, I've made posts where it's like, hey,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: maybe we can hold women accountable for literally anything that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: they do, and I've had comments under that it's weird
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: that you think men can't be held accountable for anything.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: That's a disunderstanding. Behold everyone that how stupid I think
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: this person is? Because I assert that there is a
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: non zero chance in their mind that they think men
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: are not able to be held accountable for anything. Ever,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: that's the purpose of that sort of response. M I've
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: monopolized my time enough, I am done. Okay, we're on
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: to dinner now, let's have it.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: Uh so I did I did get a rumble? Ran
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: I should read.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: No, I already read that, didn't I No, I'm done
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: with that. Okay, let's let's get back to the video then, right. Oh,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre said he sent a super child, but I
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: don't see anything, so it might be stuck in the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: To post the boles today. The vols are lazy today. Okay,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: do just give me a second.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: I'll POKEM, go POKEM.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: I'll just keep on the lookout. But I keep playing that.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: I think. Let me just double check. Yeah, Richard Beer, yep,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: they both came through. The voles have now done their duty,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: and the.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Pop I see it now, all right.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: So Richard Beer gave us five and says a woman
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: will fight for soul custody and then put the child
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: into daycare or a boarding school and be minimally directly
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: involved with the child and still demand support for the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: child that she outsourced the raising of. She uses the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: boarding school and daycare so as to not be inconvenienced
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: by the day to day mundane childcare.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: And then Darki GiMA gave us five and says the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: guy was a lawyer and his definition of hearsay stat
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: was getting a data point from a second hand source
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: instead of where it riches came from.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: So getting the CDC twenty ten numbers on made to
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: penetrate from Allison's video instead of directly from the CDC
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: would be a hearsay stat according to him, even though
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: Allison paired it with research as to why the lifetime
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: numbers are less reliable. So you basically nailed it accidentally. Thanks.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: And then I got one from Nova Fan for a
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: dollar on Rumble, and he says, And what tel Deer
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: is explaining is why I prefer to rage bait feminists
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: and communists in the thinking my position is so insane
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: that I pray the feminists and communists become even more insane.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you for all of that. Let's get
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: to because we're running out of time here. I gotta
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: go soon, so let's u see if we can get
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: to the last section.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: At least, it's for him about how we live in
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: a patriarchical society that heavily, heavily, heavily favors men in
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: custody decisions, but for some reason, for some reason, everyone
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: just acts like that's not the case, even those statistics.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: Because it isn't the case, Like she just she just
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: slaps up something.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: She just says like, wow, you know, it's weird. People
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: keep acting like this thing that I heard is happening.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: They act like it's not happening when it's obviously happening,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: even though there's lots of data that suggests otherwise.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: None of her she okay, First of all, her number
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: is going all over the place during this video. And
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: where did it come from? Right? I mean the difference
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: between if you're if not uh dark? Kiki Mora is
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: saying that what I do is hearsay stats, and she's
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing. No, because I give you where
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: you can go and find the data yourself, and I
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: give you how I've analyzed the data, which is I
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: don't do anything dark or cult, right, I just I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: give you where the data comes from. I give you
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: how I've animal it right there, So that is not
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: a hearsay stat what she's doing. I don't even know
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: if this his hearsay, because I don't think she's heard
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: it from anywhere. For all you know, she wrote up
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: whatever she needed or took a screenshot from a feminist
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: who wrote up whatever they needed to assert whatever thing.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: There's no sources in this and the number goes all
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: over the place, is it, uh ninety four, ninety seven,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: seventy two? What ninety one? She goes multiple numbers to
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: assert this because she doesn't know where this stat comes from,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: because her source probably doesn't know where the stat comes from,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: because the stat only persists because it's useful. I will
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: see if I can find the providence of this stat.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: But yeah, there's another super child. So maybe we should read.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, I'm going to read that one. So
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: U dark Kicky Mora read that one? Noba fan waits
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: is another one? I read them all?
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: No, she no, he wrote another one. It's after Oh wait.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah I read them.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: You read that one. I was responding to that.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, It's okay, all right, I'm
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna hit play. Where we're getting to the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: missingry part.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: It is the case that when men ask for custody,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: they get it. So maybe you could ask him why
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: he didn't ask for custody, because I'm sure he actually
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: really wants to see his kids. Definitely he's a good person.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: Part four oops a miss injury. So here's the thing.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Does this woman have a father?
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. All right, I'm gonna keep going.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: By rachel custom idea. I feel for her. Why is
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: Jason allowed to leave? Why does he get to make
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: the decision to blow up everyone's life without consequence but no.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: Form no fault before?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Why does.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what does he get? Why does he have the
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: same rights as a woman to to Uh well not really,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: but why does he have any right like a woman
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: to walk away from a relationship?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: This is like, does she realize what she's saying? Is
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: she going to argue that women shouldn't have the right
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: to walk away from a relationship? No, She's not gonna
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: argue that. So this is a massive double standard. It's
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: like she's saying, well, why why should we have no
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: fault divorce but only for like why why should men
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: have all no fault divorce? Women should continue to have
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: no vault divorce?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: Mm hm, oh.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: God, Okay.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: In the play, no matter what happens, I personally, in
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: my feelings about the characters, blame Medea for this sad
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: and to the children, even when in this play, in
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: this play by Rachel Cuss, the only thing Medea does
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: is exactly what Jason has done. Every other time, she says, well,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do this, so good luck with the children,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: and she just leaves. I still blame her for their
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: sad end and that I have committed a mis injury.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: I have lower expectations for men when it comes to
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: fatherhood than women when it comes to motherhood, Like, yeah,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: it's not fair that men are allowed to abandon their children,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: But Medea, how could you do that? You're a mother
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: like I literally that is my first thought. Rachel Cuss
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: really helps me unpack this by making me think about it.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: While we're talking about the classics, I'm gonna have to talk.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: About another What the fuck Am I getting this right?
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: Am I getting this right? She's saying that she's questioning
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: her initial impression, like why why did media and like
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: of I guess judging media for killing the children. Jason
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: didn't a beend in his children. There's no indication he
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: wasn't gonna see them, or support them, or even not
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: continue to support me a Medea, You've literally said that. Hell,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: maybe he figured Medea was in the same situation. He
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: was right, They were just both dealing with the fact
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: that Haarah had told them, oh no, just smash them.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: Together like a Ken doll and a Barbie dollar and said, yeah,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: now you're together, guys, I don't give a fuck what
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: you want. Matchmaking by the gods, you know. And he's like, Okay,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: now this things are a little stable. Let's get on
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: with our lives now that we've had to deal with
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: being forced together by her Parah parah you know who knows.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: But he didn't see. He went to her and he
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: said he you know this situation. He's not gonna not
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: give her the benefits of his political elevation for her
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: and her son. So there's no indication that he abandoned them, right.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: She's reading into that to support an argument, because the
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: argument itself is very bad. But the thing is that
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: why is she saying that him abandoning the kids is
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: caused for her to kill them? For an excuse for
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: her to kill them? What? Okay?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Am I missing something here? Or is this just as
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: insane as I think it is?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: I think yeah, it's pretty Uh Schitzo, I got another
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: super child from Darky Gyimora who gives us five and says,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to accuse you of a true hearsay
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: stat Allison. I meant that the guy was accusing papers
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: about men being genocided in the Third world that also
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: in turn linked to government's data like you did. Was
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: totally dismissed, not accusing you of being this person you
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: are responding to much love, Okay, all right, uh yeah,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: let's uh. Well, I mean she's at least I guess
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: she's at least confronting the idea that she is holding
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: men to a lower standard than women.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: But well, I mean that's not really.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: Again, No, she's not holding women to a lower men
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: to a lower standard. I'm pretty sure if she came
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: across a video saying that Manda killing his children because
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: Jessica had the audacity to walk away from him when
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: she had no choice to be in the relationship in
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: the first place, she would come across and be absolutely horrified.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: So she's not holding men to a lower standard. You know.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: This is this is the amazing thing. It's like, I'm
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: looking at this and I can see that this is
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: a gigantic failure mode for women's thinking, Like this level
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: of stupid spaghetti where they get together and they say, oh, yeah,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: we don't hold men to the same standards as we
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: hold women, And what when you actually dissect the thinking.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: It's that we're holding men, they are holding women any
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: kind of stand and it's not even holding women to
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: a standard. What they're doing is they have a stereotype
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: about women being better than men when it comes to kids.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: So it's not even that they're holding women to a
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: higher standard, because the other aspect of this is that
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: when Medea kills their kids, everything is excuses, Oh, Jason
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: made it happen. But when Jason, if Jason killed his
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: kids because Medea was walking away from him, that would
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: be Jason is a psychopath for them, so they don't
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: even they don't even actually hold women to higher standards.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: What's actually happening is their female chauvinists who just think
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: women are better than men, and they have mistaken because
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: they also have the minds of three year old the
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: idea that they believe that women are better than men
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: and that they are women, therefore they're better than men,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: with the idea that they're holding women to a higher standard. No,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: the chauvinistic sexist attitude that women are better than men
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: as parents is not holding women to as a higher
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: standard as parents, and in fact, people who hold it
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: are more likely to excuse the abysmal behavior of women
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: towards children in order to uphold their belief than they
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: are to hold women to a higher standard than they
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: do men. These are two completely different things, and of
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: course she conflates them because her brain is mush and
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: I'm like looking at this and I'm like, I can't
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: apologize for this, guys. This is woman. This is I
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: try to say that there could be something better, and
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: every day like women could be better, could do better,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: And every day women show me how much of an
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: anomaly I am right, This is like every day they
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: show me the abysmal state of their morality, their ethics,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: their understanding and their beliefs about men, and also their
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: absolute illogic like mistaking, expecting, like mistaking putting women on
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: a pedestal above men. With holding women to higher standards,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: that's not the same thing. Men are hauled much higher
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: standards when it comes to parenthood. For starters, we're allowed
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: to say that men can be deadbeats, that fathers can
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: be bad. We can't say that about mothers. The instant
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: you say, oh, this mother is bad, it boomerangs back
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: on you because you're not upholding the pedestalization of mothers.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: That's how it works. So she is mistaking her sexism
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: that mothers are better for an actual external standard that
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: mothers are held to, that are is greater than them.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Men.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: No, my dear, those two things are not the same.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: But I can say that and you will never understand
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: it because your brain doesn't work that way.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: Oh good lord, Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, let's do it.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 5: How to Train Your Dragon two, which came out in
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: twenty fourteen spoilers for How To Train Your Dragon one
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: and two. I guess I have to tell you about
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: the plot. So in the first one, Hiccup is like
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: a small little Viking boy and he has his father's
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: the chief, and he's like a big guy, and like
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: they have this kind of awkward relationship because Hiccup's mom
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: is dead right and his father's like overprotective but also
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: pushing him to be like a big manly man. And
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: Hiccup's mom will murdered by dragons. His dad saw this
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: or saw them remnants of it, and so like, as
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: a community, they're really good at killing dragons, and Hiccup
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: is gonna go be a dragon killer. But then Instead,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: he befriends a dragon, and you know, he realizes that
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: dragons are friends, and he convinces his community and his
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: father and him repair the relationship and they all ride
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: dragons at the end. Solid movie. Great movie. How to
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: Train Your Dragon one, How to Train Your Dragon two.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: Five years in the future, Hickup's like a big man
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: and he's training to be the chief even though he
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: feels nervous, and his dad's like, I love your son.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: Where buddies will get through this. And there's a war
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: and so they need more dragons and they stumble upon
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: this dragon's nest and Hiccup, oh my god, it's his mom.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: He's so happy his mom didn't die. She was just
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: protecting dragons. And then his father shows up and like
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: he's not even mad. They just get back together and
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: they're like, oh my god, this is so great. We're
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: also happy we're a family again. And then hiccup dad dies.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: They win the war, but it's like, okay that his
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: dad died because he has his mom, so like everything
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: is fine. This movie made me so angry. I hate
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: really okay, Pickups mom. They just they just forgive her
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: and then they just kill his dad. And and it's fine, Like,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 5: just imagine you grew up with a father who was
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: like emotionally traumatized because he saw your mother murdered by
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: a pony.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm curious about where this is going because literally,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: like you're you're showing a kind of feminist retcon of
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: a story where in How to Train Your Dragon one,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: the mom was dead before the show started, like the
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: movie begins, which sets the tone for the relationship between
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: the father and the son, and now you're you're showing
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: that in the sequel, they brought the mom back and
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: they kill the father off instead, which I guess is
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: a lot more palatable or tolerable or digestible. And you
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: have a problem with the way that they quickly forgave
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: the mom, which I don't remember.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: I saw that movie, but it's been a while so
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: I don't remember much. But okay, let's find out what
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: she says.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: You only have your dad, but also it's not like
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: your real dad because he is so traumatized, he is
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: so overprotective and weird that like you never get to
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: know your real father because you have this very strained
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 5: relationship and somehow you beat the odds. You grow up
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: to be a normal kid. You prepare this relationship with
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: your father who's no longer a broken man, and you know,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: despite your terrible childhood, you've moved on and you've made
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: the best of it and your life is fine. And
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 5: then you find out, no, your mother didn't die in
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: a pony attack. She staged it. She's actually been alive
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: this whole time, just like living with ponies, like that
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 5: verribal childhood. You know, she traumatized your father, she ruined
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: your childhood, She abandoned you, you know, for ponies, and
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: you just forgive her like it's fine. That's this movie.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: They immediately forgive her. It is crazy. She was alive
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: the whole time. Just use your words, Valka, what is this?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: And it's the same thing as in media, you know,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: because of the patriarchy. I am much more accepting of
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: men abandoning their children than I am of women abandoning
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: their children and media like, I am way more mad.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: What no, no, no, no, you are gynocentric.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: You are fine with people forgiving women for shit that
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: they do. Yeah, that's what's happening there.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: No, she's arguing that she was much more upset at
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: Hiccup's mom than at Jason, even though Jason. She's literally
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: our arguing that Jason abandoning Medea is is justification for
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: Medea killing the children, which you know, Hiccop's mom didn't
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: kill Hiccup or or our Hiccup's father didn't kill didn't
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: kill Hiccup because his wife abandoned him. So it's like
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: a completely different situation, right, So it's and we're not
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: excusing Hiccup's father for killing Hiccup because his wife abandoned him.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: So she's basically comparing apples to jack jackals like apples
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: to ferrets, like something completing, it's not even in the
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: same gene uh like the same category of of loving
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: things like and and then she's saying, oh, but I'm
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: so much more judgmental of of of Higob's mom disappearing,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: and it's like, but then she's also not engaging in
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: the fact that Hiccop's father and Hiccop forgave her, And honestly,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: I think what really bothers her is the presentation of
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: all of that made Hiccop's father out to be a
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: freaking saint, right, she decided to prioritize what remained of
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: his life with her with his wife then to continue
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: to hold a grudge against her right, and there could
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: be more complexity to it. He knew that he had
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: like this really aggressive hatred of dragons, and his wife
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: was very much drawn to them, so she felt like
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: she couldn't explain this to him. It's a little bit
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: cartoony logic, but I think the real problem here is
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: the father is shown in an incredibly forgiving light, like
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: that she is the bigger person. Isn't like that? I
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: think that's the real problem, And and she's she's saying
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: what she is actually saying is the fact that I'm
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: watching a man forgive a woman, recognize the woman did
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: something harmful, and is in the moral position to forgive her.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: I don't like that, and she I don't know. I
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: think she hates hates Hiccop's mom because she's forcing her
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: to confront it. That entire scenario is forcing her to
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: confront the possibility that men aren't horrific creatures. But also
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: I think she's doing it for the argument, right, or
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: maybe she doesn't understand forgiveness like I mean, she is
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: literally arguing that if a man exercises the right to
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: walk away from a woman aka no fault divorce. He
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: should be punished by having his children killed, his new
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: wife killed, and his new father in law killed. And
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: this is acceptable behavior that should be lionized as a
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: feminist icon, right, That's what's going on here. So maybe
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: she just doesn't understand forgiveness. I know these are a
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: little bit more stretches than what I'm saying, but I
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: think that this is a very convenient to her argument.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: One two, the forgiveness that's happening here is not the
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: same kind. Being angry at Hiccup's mother is not the
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: same operation in your mind, Like, Okay, would you if
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: Hiccup's father killed Hiccup because the mother abandoned them, would
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: you still be like, oh my god, the real issue
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: is the mother abandoned them. No, lady, you would not.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: So you're not comparing the same to the same, not
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: at all?
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: Or or is it just justified? Is Hiccop's father justified
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: and murdering Hiccup because Hiccop's mother abandoned them? That is
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: the like to like comparison, And I really suspect that
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: she would not make that argument right because she's making
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: the argument that Jason leaving is so unforgivable it justifies
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: Medea killing their children. I don't think she's making she
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: would ever make the argument that Hiccop's mother leaving is
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: so unjustified that it justifies Hiccop's father killing Hiccup. So
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: she's not actually comparing like to like here, she's making
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: a false equivalence in order to support her argument. I
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: can conjecture about, like the subtle psychological motivations for this,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: but that's the fundamental point. That's the logical point that's
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: going on here, And these two things are not the same.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: All right, Let's.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: If we just want to throw up a random theme
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: of forgiveness. Is she aware of or perhaps well, I
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: guess it wasn't in Medea. Is she aware of the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: fact that Jason forgave Medea's murders before this play?
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, she doesn't mention anything like.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: That because before all of this, because the reason that
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: they had to flee to Corinth was because Medea killed
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: who was it, Pellias? I think it was in another
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: kingdom by deceiving his daughters like that. That's why they
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: had to flee. Like after the Golden Fleece came back
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: and there was some stuff which I don't remember, but
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: she did a magic trick in front of this guy's
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: that the king's daughters, because the king was supposed to
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 4: like abdicate or something, and Jason was supposed to there
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: was some royal connection there that I'm not one hundred
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: percent on, but he didn't go, so she wanted to
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: get him deposed. She madea tricked his daughters by killing
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: either a ram or some other guy, depending on which
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: because there's like three different versions of this versions. So
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: she kills something, whether it's a guy or a goat
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 4: or something, cuts it all up, and then like boils
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 4: it or puts herbs on it or whatever, and it
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 4: comes back to life and it's like young and viral again.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: And the Pellis's daughters are like, oh, do this to
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: our father.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: Do it?
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: We want him to be young and happy and healthy
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: and all of that stuff. And again this is where
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: you get two different versions. The one where the daughters
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: have got the wrong end of stick. They kill and
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 4: cut up their father and nothing happens, and the other
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 4: one they kill him, cut him up and all this stuff,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 4: and they say madea bring him back, and she just says, lol, no,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: and leaves, and then that's why they get banished from
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: this kingdom. So their life was kind of set up
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: after the Golden Fleece thing madea fucked over their king
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: and then Nadia and Jason had to leave. And at
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: that point he didn't say, hey, you know what, I
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: don't think this is going to work out. He stuck
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: with her anyway, and then there's the whole brother killing
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: thing that also happened, and then of course you know
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: that they had to flee from Corinth for that, and
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: then that's why he wanted to, I think marry whatever
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: her name was, daughter of Corinth thing to basically get
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 4: back to what they were doing before he forgave madea
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: for killing people already and then was like, hang on,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: I can get things back if I just marry this
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: person and maybe leave the psycho murderer who I've already
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: forgiven perhaps two times more than I should have. Is
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: any of this brought up by her?
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: No?
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: No, okay, no, that's irrelevant. The thing is that Jason
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: has the audacity to leave. I mean, on every access,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: Jason should have the right to leave this woman. And
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: if if if this is as you said, was Mandia
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: and Jessica, the fact that Mandia has demonstrated multiple times
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: that he is willing to murder to keep Jessica. I'm
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: pretty sure she would argue that Jessica's consent is not
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: actually valid. So you can just imagine being a Jason.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know how the kids happened, but regardless, he's
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: like and and he could probably project that the kids
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: might be a fatality if he ever left Midea be
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: based on her behavior, and he was would probably be right.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: And again, if this was genders reverse, there is no
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: way that this woman would argue that this is acceptable behavior.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: There's another there's another this person going ape shit in
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: the in the in the vertical chat, but I.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: Can should I should?
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: I want to cover a few things. Yeah, all right,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: So I figured out where the Angela sites are likely from.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: She didn't give anything. I don't know if she put
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: it in the low bar, but the ninety four percent
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: traces to it. Nineteen eighty nine Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: gender bias study. I think I've actually gone through that,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: and I've looked at it and the real sources, trust me, Bro,
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: Nobody can find the original study. So it was just
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: basically it's basically a WOOZL. And the study surveyed contested
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: custody cases in one state found fathers who actively pursued
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: custody through litigation succeeded at high rates small en single
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: state contested custody only self selected thirty seven years old,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: widely circulated as a national contemporary rate. Yeah, I'm pretty
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: sure that this is a WOOZL. So when I tracked
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: this down, it ended up being the citation was like
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: a study that nobody could find and nobody could verify.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: And then the seventy two percent, even with documented abuse,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: traces to Joan Mere's twenty seven nineteen study founded by
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: the Department of Justice National Institute Justice, analyzing appleate appealate
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: cases where mother's alleged abuse and fathers raised paternal all
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: alienation defenses mayor found father's one custody and a majority
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: of such cases the population is appealate cases with alienation claims,
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: not general custody outcomes. Is it possible that the alienation
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: was so severe that the court had no choice right?
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: And what is the was it like men got primary
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: custody or did they just get shared custody? Asserted right?
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: Because the thing is that these are cases in which
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: an allegation of abuse is asserted and a man is
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: willing to fight it. Right, This is a self selecting
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: group of men, most likely with substantial amount of evidence
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: on their side. So to say that when a man
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: is falsely accused of some form of abuse and he
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: has substantial most likely has substantial evidence to the point
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: where you know, at seventy two percent of the time
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: the court sides with him. That is not the average
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: man and the average sense dealing with the family court.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: All right, So anyway, I wanted to point that out
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: because she's completely misrepresenting custody.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: And of course, of course, of course, yeah.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: All right, let's uh, let's continue.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 5: I am like Aladdin's dad, you know, and I think
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 5: I should not do that. That's back, And I think
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 5: this dissonance is you know why we need feminism. This
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 5: is this is the patriarchy. We should be equally upset
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 5: at any parent who fails to care for the child
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 5: they created, no matter what gender the parent is. Who.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: Okay again, all right, so we're not comparing like to
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: like here, Hiccup's dad didn't kill Hiccup. Medea killed her sons. Yeah,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: and you are again using Jason quote unquote abandoning media
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: to justify her killing your sons, saying that you're more
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: upset at Hiccup's mom for leaving. It's just not the
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: same thing, right. You'd have to actually look at a
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: case where you're watching some kind of a story in
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: which the woman leaves, the man kills the children, and
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: you watch that and you sink, oh, I can't believe
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: she left. It was totally justified. He killed the children
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: and her next boyfriend and her father in law, her
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: new father in law, that was totally justified. Are you
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: showing us that? Why don't you like? Angela is her name? Right?
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: Of course she's never going to see this, But Angela,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: I want you to do a video in which you
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: say that you feel less condemnation for a man who
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: murders his kids because a woman leaves him, and not
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: just his kids, but the woman's new boyfriend and the
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: woman's new father in law. And you say that this story, yeah,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: I feel less. I feel like he's more justified than
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: media was. You do that, You say that in public
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: that you feel a male family annihilator is justified by
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: a woman trying to leave him and that you feel
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: more sympathy for a male family annihilator say it in public,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: compare like to like I want to see it, because
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: otherwise all you're doing is another softest maneuver, childish actually
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: not even sophist, childish maneuver of saying, well, this thing
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: is sort of like this thing, and I feel this
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: way about this thing, which justifies me feeling this way
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: like I feel. I feel I judge Hiccup's mother more
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: than I judge Jason. That's why it's okay for me
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 3: to justify Medea killing her kids because Jason left. Do
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: you see the logical maneuver here or the illogical maneuver here? Yeah, Okay,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: let's finish it off. Sorry, Brian.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 5: That's like feminism, huh, equal rights for equal left. I
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 5: can hit you then, if you're equal to me, I
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 5: can just hit you. And and that's like a huge
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 5: red flag that guy just wants to beat women. Stay
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 5: away from that guy. But also it's a crazy thing
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 5: to say, because no, you can't just hit me. You
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 5: can't just hit anyone. You can't just hit other men,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 5: because you're both men, we are adults. We use our words. No,
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 5: you can't hit anyone in the media version of.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: What the fuck is this ship? Because she's like literally
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: literally a woman kills two children, and she's talking about
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: some dude saying equal laps or equal rights and always
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: that's in the contact with a woman wailing on a man.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: By the way, the only phrases used in self defense
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: repeatedly Okay, I'm just I'm just gonna end this because
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 4: I can. Yeah.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: So she arguing that Medea killed her children in self defense.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: Probably actually, that's probably exactly what she's arguing. Jason leaves her,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: Jason uses, you know, practices his own bodily autonomy and
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: leaves Medea, and Medea is kills her kids in self defense.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 3: That's probably the argument. Like she just straw manning after
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: straw manning, there's no such thing. Like she's arguing about
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: a fiction. In her own relational web. She has like
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: this idea of what men are that bear no existence
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: to actual reality right here, just distorted men say that
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: when they're being physically assaulted by women and they want
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: to stop it. I haven't seen it in any other context.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: I don't see it with just a man walking up
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: to a woman and punching her in the face. I
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: don't think I've ever seen a man defend that, but
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: that's what she's arguing. Men defend.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, okay, a little bit lefton was gonna abandon
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 5: his children, and that's not the correct response. I mean,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 5: obviously it's not fair that men get to do this.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 5: The response is not women should also get to do this.
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  Speaker 5: The response is men should not abandon they do, we
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  Speaker 5: as a society they do.
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  Speaker 3: And also there's no set there's no indication that he's
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  Speaker 3: going to abandon his children. Well, how did this become
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  Speaker 3: abandoning his children? I thought it was about him abandoning medea.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, women do. They walk away from relationships all
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  Speaker 3: the time, and nobody justifies men killing the kids as
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  Speaker 3: a result. But that's what you're doing. When a man says,
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  Speaker 3: I'm done with this relationship that I didn't even consent
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  Speaker 3: to in the first place. I'm going to marry somebody
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  Speaker 3: else to try to get back on my life, back
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  Speaker 3: on track. I'm not abandoning you or the kids. And
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: then she says, well that's not good enough, because I
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  Speaker 3: don't get to have you. I'm gonna kill everybody. We
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: still have another two minutes. Brian it's going to take
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: longer than just a little.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that there's not much left if you just
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  Speaker 1: want to wrap it up, that's okay. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: she's gonna say anything revolutionary in.
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  Speaker 3: The well, she's not gonna say anything sensible.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, there is one sensible thing she could do
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  Speaker 4: to end this. There is one viable ending. The last
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  Speaker 4: few seconds is her saying, can you imagine if I
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  Speaker 4: actually believed any of that law?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, disparaging, shameful remarks towards men who abandon their children
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  Speaker 5: as women who abandon their children, No one should have
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  Speaker 5: been in their kids. Actually, that's the lesson that I've learned.
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  Speaker 5: How do we live in a society where men are
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  Speaker 5: just allowed to abandon their children? Isn't that weird? Like
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure everybody has like some random second cousin like
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  Speaker 5: Uncle Jim who shows up to Christmas and someone's like, hey,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 5: how are the kids, And he's like, oh, I haven't
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  Speaker 5: seen them in like a year. Uh yeah, but like
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  Speaker 5: he's still invited to Christmas. But if you had an
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 5: aunt Jamie who showed up to Christmas?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this isn't going nowhere, Just just like, okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is bullshit, Like no one says it's okay for men
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  Speaker 1: to abandon their kids. In fact, if anything, the opposite
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  Speaker 1: is true, like women can throw their babies in a
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  Speaker 1: dumpster and you know, because they don't want to have
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: them on prom night or whatever. So no, no, this
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  Speaker 1: is just a way. Yeah, there's not gonna be any charges. Like,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: you know, women have essentially committed genocidal levels if you
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: consider abortion to be murder.
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  Speaker 2: Guess guess what.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, women win, Like they've killed more babies than all
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  Speaker 1: wars combined since we've been recording it.
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  Speaker 2: So this is like a meaningless exercise and there's no comparison.
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  Speaker 1: So I gotta I gotta go pick up lindsay, So,
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  Speaker 1: can you like we do the thing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's just let's just get this done, all right, guys,
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  Speaker 3: So if you want to send something after the show
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: is over. I know this is a bit abrupt, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to get anything more out
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: of this. She's just repeating herself. She's just using the
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: worst kind of logic to excuse an appalling position, which
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: is that women, apparently if men leave them should be
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: lionized for killing their kids adult like kids in who
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: are like probably ten and twelve, you know. And that's
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: posts apartum psychosis somehow as well, even though postpartum psychosis
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: is over in about a year. And anyway, this is
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: her position, and she's just using a lot of random
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: anecdotes to justify it. And of course if a man
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  Speaker 3: said anything like this, what would happen to him? Let's see,
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: let me let me just go back and read it
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: out again. If a man said anything like this, I,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: it would be treated as an ISIS level recruitment, recruitment
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: rejacent artifact honor, a killing apologia. The video would be
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: pulled from YouTube and under incitement policies the creator docs
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: within twenty forty eight hours. Employer contacted criminal referral disgust.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: Every women's organization would issue statements. News coverage would treat
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: the man as evidence of a broader male violence problem,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: requiring policy response. No academic would defend the reading, no
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: publisher would touch him, and probably we would be in
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: six months. See a UK documentary on the man who
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: justified a male family annihilator because a woman tried to
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: leave him. All right, that would be the new in
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: cell talking point. But that's not what's happening here because
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: it's a woman citing feminism. So we're all we want
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  Speaker 3: to celebrate the family annihilator because she has a vagina.
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