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Integrating Somatic Experiencing with Jeanna Gomez, LCSW · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: a show about the incredible people dedicated to helping those
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Speaker 1: who experienced trauma. My name is got macpherson, and my
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Speaker 1: mission is to raise awareness of trauma and to inspire
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Speaker 1: each of us to help those around us.
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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go five for three, two and one,
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Speaker 2: our folks, welcome back to the podcast. Very excited to
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Speaker 2: have as my guest today, Gina Gomez. Gina, welcome, Thank.
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Speaker 3: You, welcome. I'm so excited to be here too. I'd
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Speaker 3: like to It's been a minute since we talked last,
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Speaker 3: so yeah, yeah, looking forward to it.
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Speaker 2: Awesome.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 2: Gina is the owner of Gomez Counseling and Consulting Services
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Speaker 2: and Trauma Healing and Recovery Center. She comes with twenty
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Speaker 2: two years of clinical trauma recovery experience. She's a complex
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Speaker 2: trauma specialist and relational therapist who utilizes sematic experiencing including
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Speaker 2: se touchwork, integral sematic psychology, brain spotting dr and post
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Speaker 2: deduction therapy model in her work with clients. Gina spearheaded
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Speaker 2: bringing the Semantic Experiencing Professional Trainings to Houston in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: In her journey with Sematic Experiencing, she became the first
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Speaker 2: Latina se practitioner in Houston, was the League Training assistant
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Speaker 2: for the Houston and Saint Louis trainings, and now she's
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Speaker 2: the first Latina FAFF the member for Sci Sematic Experiencing
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Speaker 2: International in North America. Welcome back, Welcome back. So let
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Speaker 2: me just say, as I said before we started recording
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Speaker 2: here you I loved having you on the podcast originally.
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Speaker 2: I loved your energy and your inspiration of course your knowledge.
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Speaker 2: But I'm so glad you're here before we get going,
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Speaker 2: as always to share with our listeners away from originally
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Speaker 2: and where you are currently.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm born and raised in Texas,
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Speaker 3: originally from Austin, Texas, and right now I live in Houston,
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Speaker 3: but because I'm also training doing the trainings in Austin,
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Speaker 3: I'm going back and forth. So it's kind of nice
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Speaker 3: to be back in my hometown doing a little bit
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Speaker 3: more and more often and so and then just also,
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Speaker 3: I lived in New Mexico for about ten years of
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Speaker 3: my life. That was when I ventured out, you know,
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Speaker 3: away from the Texas area. Uh, and that was a
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Speaker 3: great experience too in the soodica had to get home.
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Speaker 3: So but yeah, awesome.
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Speaker 2: So we're gonna spend I guess, most of the time
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Speaker 2: here talking about see your relationship to that, but a
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Speaker 2: new trainings of course. But before we do, for the
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Speaker 2: listeners maybe who haven't heard the first interview or aren't
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Speaker 2: familiar with you, give us the give us the sketch.
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Speaker 2: How the heck did you get into this twenty two years?
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Speaker 2: But how did it? How did it start? What pulled
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Speaker 2: you into it?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, my very very first job, you know,
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Speaker 3: and so on was early in my career was in
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Speaker 3: corrections and in uh in that area, in criminal justice
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Speaker 3: and corrections as a social worker. And so from there
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Speaker 3: is really where I saw a lot of people with
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Speaker 3: lots of trauma, lots of folks. And then when I
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Speaker 3: worked I worked in the prison system with women and
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Speaker 3: saw the effects of the trauma experiences that they had
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Speaker 3: in their childhood and so on, and so from there
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Speaker 3: I really wanted to really wanted to focus on that.
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Speaker 3: I always had the understanding guy and her message that said,
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Speaker 3: help as many people you know healing from im as possible.
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Speaker 2: Why trauma?
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Speaker 3: I think, I think it's because of what I experienced,
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Speaker 3: what I saw, and that just touched on my heart.
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Speaker 3: It touched on there was something that I knew that
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Speaker 3: I could probably bring and information that I could bring
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Speaker 3: to the to the people that I was working with
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Speaker 3: that open opened up kind of their awareness.
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Speaker 2: Did you know what it was inside you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was just me being really authentic,
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Speaker 3: really being honest, really being just forthcoming, really just having
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Speaker 3: I think just the I'll just say, you know, kind
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Speaker 3: of the spiritual aspect of me that said, there's something
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Speaker 3: more about this person than what is right now happening
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Speaker 3: for them, and that there there's a deeper part of
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Speaker 3: this person that has been blocked.
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Speaker 4: And healing that and seeing that and knowing like that's something,
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Speaker 4: there's something more about this person than what they're experiencing
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Speaker 4: from their trauma and they're there and from their symptoms
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Speaker 4: and from where they are dealing with life, and it
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Speaker 4: just was there, always is there, There has to be something.
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Speaker 3: Earlier on that this person when they were first kind
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Speaker 3: of here in their experience in the world. That's not
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Speaker 3: what they came with, right right, it's not.
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Speaker 2: What they came No one's born like that.
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Speaker 3: There's a different person in there. So that's what was
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Speaker 3: really I wanted to know that person.
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Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me ask you this jam.
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Speaker 2: So when you had that experience, you had training as
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Speaker 2: a social.
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Speaker 5: Birth, Yeah, I really I had training as a sociology
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Speaker 5: and in in as a social worker and you know,
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Speaker 5: criminal justice stuff, that kind of thing that was kind.
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Speaker 3: Of my pool and draw in school learning. Yeah, when
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Speaker 3: I was I have to say when I was you know,
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Speaker 3: I remember when I was a teenager and there was
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Speaker 3: friends of mine that would always say, you listen, so well,
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Speaker 3: you know, can you help us with our problem?
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Speaker 2: Knew one of those things, and just.
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Speaker 3: As fifteen or sixteen and I'm my friends, you know,
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Speaker 3: figure out what their issues are. And it was just
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Speaker 3: something that just really kind of came with me. I
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Speaker 3: think so and I feel blessed about that.
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Speaker 2: But it's so you know, it sounds it can sound
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Speaker 2: like so easy, so simple, just just do that teach,
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Speaker 2: just listen, But and to be able to do it
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Speaker 2: in the way you're describing takes, So what does it take?
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Speaker 3: It really takes you being the person being out of
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Speaker 3: their own self and really being attuned and really curious
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Speaker 3: about what this person is about in front of you
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Speaker 3: and what they're not just what their experiences have been,
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Speaker 3: but what there would have wanted their experiences to be
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Speaker 3: well right, And so you have to pull it out
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Speaker 3: of you. You have to pull it away from you, like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm here to do something for this person or I'm
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Speaker 3: here to give you information, and I have you have
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Speaker 3: that awareness, but it's really like, it's not about me,
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Speaker 3: It's about them. And so if I can give them
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Speaker 3: this sense and this this awareness and this connection and
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Speaker 3: this attunement that they matter, they matter in this moment
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Speaker 3: right now, that in of itself is going to help
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Speaker 3: for them to realize that there's something more about them.
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Speaker 3: And then when they felt or when they had the
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Speaker 3: question in their life, do I matter? You know? Am
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Speaker 3: I important? That if if that, if in this moment
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Speaker 3: right here, right now with them, I can give them
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Speaker 3: a little bit of that feeling back because I'm attuned,
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Speaker 3: I'm curious and wanting to know, how can I what
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Speaker 3: is it that you might need that in of itself,
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Speaker 3: just that moment in time is giving them the message
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Speaker 3: they're important.
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Speaker 2: That they're all which is which is so it's so
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Speaker 2: crazy powerful. I mean, oh my god.
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Speaker 3: And even with like with even with somatic work, when
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Speaker 3: we're listening to their body, that's another layer. So it's
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Speaker 3: not just thoughts or their emotions. Is what is the
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Speaker 3: other layer their body? And so were we're too.
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Speaker 2: I could just imagine, but what do you what do
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Speaker 2: you mean my body? What do you what are you
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Speaker 2: talking about? What? What's your response?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly, because I get that. We get that a lot.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of the lot of the folks.
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Speaker 2: That no, oh, you're not doing that to me.
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Speaker 3: I know you do that there They say, no, I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to go what are you talking about? And
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Speaker 3: so I say, what the the what you might sense
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Speaker 3: what your body is even doing right now that as
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Speaker 3: you're talking about, you know this this thing that you experience,
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Speaker 3: your body's moving around, your body wants to do something,
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Speaker 3: your body is so or your body is clamped in
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Speaker 3: and so still and and braced and all of that
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Speaker 3: is also a tunement to who they are. And saying
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Speaker 3: the bracing to me matters and what is it that happened.
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Speaker 3: I mean, why the bracing might be there, Why the
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Speaker 3: need to want to move or get up or run
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Speaker 3: or or get away? Why is that there? And that's
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Speaker 3: another attunem meant to that they're important, that they're important,
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Speaker 3: that that whatever their body is sharing that is important
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Speaker 3: as well, because in the past, with the trauma in
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Speaker 3: the past, that's what they wanted to do. That's really
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Speaker 3: what part of a message was that this person was
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Speaker 3: trying to give verbally they couldn't maybe share emotionally. Maybe
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Speaker 3: they they were told like, hey, I don't want to
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Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with that emotion and bodily
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Speaker 3: is the other thing that no one listened to. I
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Speaker 3: want to get away from here. I want you to stop.
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Speaker 3: I'm bracing because I'm scared. And and when we in
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Speaker 3: somatic work, when we give a tunement to that, we're
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Speaker 3: also giving atonement to this person that that experience is
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Speaker 3: important and they are important and we're gonna we're going
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Speaker 3: to work through that so that they can feel safe
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Speaker 3: to be able to let that come through now that
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Speaker 3: maybe at a time they were not able to let
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Speaker 3: that come through even if it was so present, it
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Speaker 3: was so present They couldn't say, hey, person, that's you
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Speaker 3: know coming at me. I need I'm feeling all this
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Speaker 3: stuff and I need you to stop. They just had
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Speaker 3: to deal with whatever it is that they were experiencing,
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Speaker 3: and that could have been in a in a shock trauma,
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Speaker 3: so that it could have been in a in a
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Speaker 3: natural disaster or car accident. All of a sudden, these
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Speaker 3: things happened so fast that of course the body is
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Speaker 3: not able to either have a message. So when I
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Speaker 3: when I I feel a service to this person to
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Speaker 3: be able to see all the areas of their reality
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Speaker 3: and give all of the areas of their reality the
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Speaker 3: message that it they're important and that they matter. And
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Speaker 3: with that, I think that creates some safety.
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Speaker 2: When did SI come into play for you?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, So I had been doing so many different
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Speaker 3: trainings again the kind of the idea of specializing more
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Speaker 3: and the s in India in the trauma and bringing
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Speaker 3: in more models that can get deeper into the work.
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Speaker 3: And in two thousand and seven ish around there two
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Speaker 3: thousand and eight, there was a training It was Peter
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Speaker 3: Levine that came to Austin and he did an introduction
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Speaker 3: to trauma and was about his book The waking the
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Speaker 3: tiger and so on, and I went and I went,
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Speaker 3: In fact, my sister and I were, and we went
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Speaker 3: and I was blown away and amazed. And because even
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Speaker 3: though I knew the body was important, I didn't know
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Speaker 3: how much the body was important in this factor because
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Speaker 3: we're trained in a lot of the other things, like
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Speaker 3: the cognitive or we're trained in looking at more emotions,
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Speaker 3: and we're trained as clinicians to look at it from
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Speaker 3: a particular lens. And even though you know the body's important,
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Speaker 3: to see what's going on and see, when I learned
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Speaker 3: more more in depth and detail what s he could do,
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Speaker 3: then I said, oh, I got to be part of it.
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Speaker 3: I got to be part of that. And so I
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Speaker 3: started to read, I started to look at things, and
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Speaker 3: that's where it took me to the interest in the training.
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Speaker 3: So in two thousand and nine I started training. I started,
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Speaker 3: you know, the class, and that was in Austin. Maggie
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Speaker 3: Klein was my trainer, and now we're in generation eleven.
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Speaker 3: Back then it was generation four. I was part of
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Speaker 3: Generation four, so the fourth big training in Austin, and
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Speaker 3: so I started my training there. So and it wasn't
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Speaker 3: like uh oh, I'm all in because of course you're
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Speaker 3: having to You're feeling some stuff as a student, You're
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Speaker 3: feeling that things are coming up, your own stuff's coming up.
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Speaker 3: So and yet it was also the learning and the
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Speaker 3: importance of the learner. So every module I was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is gonna I don't know
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Speaker 3: is this gonna work for me? Is this not? And
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Speaker 3: something kept drawing, and the something was, it's not about
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Speaker 3: eugen Even though you're getting your work and you're doing
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Speaker 3: some of your own work, you getting this training is
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Speaker 3: ultimately not about you, Remember you're It's about the other
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Speaker 3: person that's in front of you. And here's another layer
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Speaker 3: of their life and of their existence that is that
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Speaker 3: you can attune to and you can begin to give
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Speaker 3: them again that other message that your body is important
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Speaker 3: to that perspective.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that perspective is is to what it's all about.
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Speaker 2: It's so easy when you were in this field to
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Speaker 2: be needing to accumulate all this knowledge you know, and
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Speaker 2: and it's become something that you you, of course rely
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Speaker 2: on tow us an almost need to utilize life. Taking
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Speaker 2: this course or or I'm taking this great workshop. I
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Speaker 2: want to use this with this client exactly.
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Speaker 3: The other part of that guy is integrating is taking
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Speaker 3: the time to really understand it and integrate what you
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Speaker 3: learn and practice what you learn. Because you could take
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Speaker 3: all sorts of trainings, you know, and have a whole
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Speaker 3: bunch of manuals right there in a stack, and and
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Speaker 3: you can say, I got this training and that training
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Speaker 3: and this training, but do you really know it? Is
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Speaker 3: it embedded in you? Can you really kind of exercise
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Speaker 3: it when you're seeing it in front of this person.
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Speaker 3: And that's important too, And that's something I always try
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Speaker 3: to tell the students. It's like practice, practice, practice, integrate,
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Speaker 3: read the man because the manual has so much information
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Speaker 3: that could really help you to see what the nervous
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Speaker 3: systems do. To be able to track with the nervous system.
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Speaker 3: Is what's happening in the nervous system, what's happening in
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Speaker 3: this person as you're watching them in your office and
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Speaker 3: they're anxious or depressed or whatever, is it showing up?
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Speaker 3: And so I try to say, just practice, because we've
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Speaker 3: got to integrate it. That's the only way we can
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Speaker 3: do that. So even with different types of trainings, so
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Speaker 3: even cognitive work e. MDR. You have to practice. You
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Speaker 3: can't just say oh, I got it and that's it.
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Speaker 2: Right, right, I took the course, I got the certificate,
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Speaker 2: I'm good. What else? What else do I need to do?
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get specific here. Just just remind our listeners.
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Speaker 2: I'm speaking with Genie Gomez, complex trauma specialists and relational therapist.
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Speaker 2: What trainings are coming up for you?
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Speaker 3: So, so I'm already training the Houston and Austin training.
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Speaker 3: So we're Generation four in Austin, Generation eleven and sorry,
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Speaker 3: Generation four in Houston and Generation eleven in Austin. So
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Speaker 3: we're in our intermediate year with those two cohorts. And
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Speaker 3: so now in this year in twenty twenty five, we're adding,
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Speaker 3: and I'm really excited about this. We're adding the very
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Speaker 3: very first Spanish bilingual cohort class training in San Antonio
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Speaker 3: in the in the United States. So there's been other
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Speaker 3: trainings in different countries and in that are that are
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Speaker 3: in English or we're Spanish and are translated into English
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Speaker 3: and so on. But I always was amazed, like I
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Speaker 3: always questioned and amaze of why isn't that we have
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Speaker 3: one here? There are so many people that speak Spanish,
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Speaker 3: there's so many people who that's their only language and
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Speaker 3: here in the United States, but also of course inviting
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Speaker 3: other countries and other people from other countries to also
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Speaker 3: come into the training. And so I never understood why
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Speaker 3: don't we have a training already in North America, not
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Speaker 3: just in Texas are there are a lot of people who
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Speaker 3: are bilingual. There's all sorts of folks all over the
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Speaker 3: United States that have Spanish, not only Spanish, but other
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Speaker 3: other languages as well. And so when I became faculty,
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Speaker 3: that was one of my thoughts, like, I want to
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Speaker 3: in the essence of inclusion, in the essence of trying
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Speaker 3: to bring in more diversity, in the essence of trying
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Speaker 3: to let people also feel comfortable in learning and speaking
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Speaker 3: and sharing their experiences in their native language. That even
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Speaker 3: if even if English is your first language and you
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Speaker 3: speak Spanish, that sometimes the Spanish, sharing things in Spanish
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Speaker 3: or expressing things in your language feels on a whole
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Speaker 3: other different level internally, feels more complete. So it was
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Speaker 3: really important for me to try to bring that training
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Speaker 3: in and I was so glad that Sei was willing
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Speaker 3: to try it.
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Speaker 2: So just to be clear, excuse me for interrupting, it's
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Speaker 2: taught bilingually simultaneously.
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Speaker 3: So it's taught of teaching in English and it'll be
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Speaker 3: translated in Spanish simultaneously, so they'll be translators translating it
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Speaker 3: in Spanish as I'm I'm as I'm teaching. The assistant pool,
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Speaker 3: I've asked the assistance because we have assistants in the
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Speaker 3: training helping the students with the different practice triads and
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Speaker 3: diads and so on and being a help for them
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Speaker 3: and me too, and I've asked the assistance if they
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Speaker 3: can have some proficiency in spent be bilingual on some
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Speaker 3: level so that when they're in the triad work and
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Speaker 3: when a student wants to be able to just do
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Speaker 3: it in Spanish, that they can help maybe the others
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Speaker 3: with the translation that are in the in the triad,
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Speaker 3: so that the training part, the lecture, the demos, the
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Speaker 3: things that I do, those are going to be those
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Speaker 3: are going to be translated simultaneous. So those folks that
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Speaker 3: are coming in that are only Spanish speaking, if it's
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Speaker 3: Spanish speaking people, and also people who vote to speak
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Speaker 3: Spoth so those that are only Spanish speaking, they'll have
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Speaker 3: the headphones that they'll be able to get the translation
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Speaker 3: as it's going on, and those that are both if
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Speaker 3: they want to also have the headphones and have the translation,
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Speaker 3: they're able to have that, but they may already understand it.
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Speaker 2: And so when is that? When is this happening again?
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Speaker 3: This is happening. It's in June. It's the I think
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Speaker 3: it's the third weekend, June weekend in June. We typically
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Speaker 3: do it on a Friday, Saturdays Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday,
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Speaker 3: and it'll be in San Antonio. But it's the invitation
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Speaker 3: is to everyone, anyone in the United States and beyond.
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Speaker 3: We just happen to be having it in first time
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Speaker 3: ever in the United States, which I think is just
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Speaker 3: you know, amazing, and I'm excited about it. I'm really
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Speaker 3: excited about it. So we're trying to spread the word
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Speaker 3: as much as possible to get people interested, people understanding.
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Speaker 3: And I'd like to share a little bit about also
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Speaker 3: an experience I had, if I could, I when I
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Speaker 3: was assisting in Saint Louis. I wasn't even the lead
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Speaker 3: at that time, the lead assistant at that time, but
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Speaker 3: when I was an assistant in Saint Louis, there was
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Speaker 3: a group of students that were from Korea, and they
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Speaker 3: came in and one of the women, she was the translator.
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Speaker 3: She spoke English to the other two spoke mainly Korean.
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Speaker 3: So they stayed together as students in the sense of
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Speaker 3: doing their triad work and their diag work. And I
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Speaker 3: happened to be able to be their assistant at one
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Speaker 3: a couple of times. And one of the things that
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Speaker 3: was the most really experiencing for me and rewarding for
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Speaker 3: me is I asked the translator, don't translator, I want
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Speaker 3: to see as these two women are speaking in their
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Speaker 3: native language. I want to see what happens with the
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Speaker 3: nervous system without me knowing the words. And so I
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Speaker 3: was able to track their nervous system and know what
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Speaker 3: they were saying without knowing the words, because I was
23:26
Speaker 3: able to see how their body movements were going, what
23:30
Speaker 3: the person was asking the other to do or to
23:34
Speaker 3: check in with what they will experiencing and what their
23:37
Speaker 3: maybe body wanted to do in that moment. I didn't
23:40
Speaker 3: even need to know the words. I could see what
23:44
Speaker 3: with the experience that the person was having as the
23:47
Speaker 3: practicer was practicing with this person, and what they were
23:51
Speaker 3: doing what was needed to happen and then what was
23:56
Speaker 3: the expansion that the experiencer had just by watching And
24:02
Speaker 3: it was so beautiful. It's really moving to just see
24:05
Speaker 3: them just naturally not get interrupted with the English or anything,
24:10
Speaker 3: just for them to do that. And that was really
24:14
Speaker 3: a learning experience for me as a as an assistant,
24:18
Speaker 3: as a as a as a clinician, and in what
24:22
Speaker 3: way it was a learning experience for me in my
24:25
Speaker 3: tracking skills as an assistant to help you know, in
24:29
Speaker 3: the moment, But it was more in that same way
24:33
Speaker 3: as a clinician that sometimes you you don't have the
24:38
Speaker 3: content or the person is let's say it's a client
24:42
Speaker 3: who is who's able to speak English, but they don't
24:46
Speaker 3: want to speak the content, or they don't know the content.
24:50
Speaker 3: It's just not coming through the uncomfortable talking about it.
24:56
Speaker 3: And you can respect that, but you could still work
24:59
Speaker 3: with them because you're tracking the nervouses.
25:02
Speaker 2: Wow.
25:03
Speaker 3: And that's what I mean when i'd say to students,
25:06
Speaker 3: practice practice, practice, integrate, because when you don't have content,
25:13
Speaker 3: when you have a client that's saying I don't want
25:15
Speaker 3: to talk about that, it doesn't mean you can't work with.
25:18
Speaker 2: In this way.
25:20
Speaker 3: Wow, doesn't mean you can't. It just means you have
25:23
Speaker 3: to be more attuned and really focusing in on what
25:28
Speaker 3: is this person's body, their nervous system, their facial expressions, everything,
25:34
Speaker 3: their gestures, all these what does it mean in the
25:37
Speaker 3: scope of what they're holding in their mind or they're
25:43
Speaker 3: holding in their emotional state, they're holding in their memory
25:46
Speaker 3: states that they don't want to speak, but it's coming
25:50
Speaker 3: out through the body. It's coming out in the language
25:54
Speaker 3: of the body, right, the language of the diarists. So
25:57
Speaker 3: that experience with those women was really taught me something
26:01
Speaker 3: even even more about this work. So I was really
26:05
Speaker 3: excited about that. So when I think about the San
26:07
Speaker 3: Antonio training and think about that training and having the
26:11
Speaker 3: opportunity for these students to do that, I hope that
26:15
Speaker 3: they the assistants that are in the training get that
26:18
Speaker 3: opportunity too, to watch it be just in the native language,
26:24
Speaker 3: even if you don't know at all what they're saying,
26:27
Speaker 3: you get to track their body in a different way.
26:29
Speaker 3: And that's for the students too. Yeah, so I think
26:33
Speaker 3: it's going to broaden their awareness of this work.
26:37
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:37
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm excited about that. I had to share that.
26:40
Speaker 2: No, that's an amazing story.
26:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we kind of wind down here, what's new
26:47
Speaker 2: with you? What's coming up for you?
26:51
Speaker 3: So other than the San Antonio training, I got to
26:53
Speaker 3: the Santa Fe training. There's a Santa Fe and I'm
26:56
Speaker 3: going back to New Mexico. They get to go back
26:58
Speaker 3: to New Mexico to train in Santa Fe. That's going
27:01
Speaker 3: to start. That possibly is going to get moved to July.
27:05
Speaker 3: Right now, we're pending March. Uh, but we certainly want
27:08
Speaker 3: to give it enough time for having this training. It's
27:12
Speaker 3: an s training there, okay. And then in Atlanta and
27:16
Speaker 3: then me and my you know, work with my practice,
27:19
Speaker 3: my work with what I'm doing with my clients and
27:22
Speaker 3: other clients that come to the come to the trauma Center.
27:25
Speaker 3: We're doing a couple of things. One is called the UH.
27:30
Speaker 3: It's called the Warrior Goddess Way Retreat and Firewalk. So
27:34
Speaker 3: I'm a firewalk instructor.
27:35
Speaker 2: In a of course you are Jesus.
27:40
Speaker 3: And so we're doing a women's empowerment retreat and firewalk.
27:44
Speaker 3: I've done the firewalks a few times already, which is
27:47
Speaker 3: really cool to do.
27:48
Speaker 2: I've never done that.
27:49
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the other four clinicians is called the
27:52
Speaker 3: somatic side of Shame. It's a it's a training for clinicians,
27:57
Speaker 3: and it's focusing on how the body, how the body
28:01
Speaker 3: is keeping and holding the shape and being able to
28:05
Speaker 3: give experiential exercises, experiential tools to practitioner to learn how
28:11
Speaker 3: to see the shame and how to work with the
28:14
Speaker 3: shame differently. So it starts to release from the nervous
28:18
Speaker 3: system from the body. So that's going to be the
28:22
Speaker 3: Somatic Side of Shame training is February thirteenth through the fifteenth.
28:28
Speaker 3: And for those of you that are listening, uh, there
28:31
Speaker 3: is a discount code. And so if you go on
28:35
Speaker 3: my website go Miscounseling Consulting dot com and you happen too,
28:40
Speaker 3: Somatic Side of Shame the one of the tabs there.
28:44
Speaker 3: The code discount code is S twenty twenty five and
28:49
Speaker 3: that's for one hundred and fifty dollars off.
28:51
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and okay, I'll link that up at the
28:56
Speaker 2: show notes page here at the Trauma Davis Podcast dot com.
29:00
Speaker 3: And and those women that are interested in that other
29:03
Speaker 3: workshop and then it's on there as well.
29:06
Speaker 2: Okay.
29:06
Speaker 3: Then we continue to do just individual you know work,
29:10
Speaker 3: We continue to do other groups have a clinician that's
29:14
Speaker 3: working with me that really it is really versed in
29:19
Speaker 3: working with sexual trauma, and so she's going to start
29:22
Speaker 3: reclaiming power within which is is it's a group for
29:26
Speaker 3: sexual trauma survivors. So we're doing quite up and we're
29:29
Speaker 3: doing a lot of things in the sense of working
29:32
Speaker 3: with folks, with people who need help, with people who
29:36
Speaker 3: are needing trauma resolution, and individual groups and then all
29:41
Speaker 3: of these workshops a real big believer and experiential kind
29:45
Speaker 3: of you know, intensive workshops. Let's focus on some areas
29:49
Speaker 3: and let's get some get some clarity and some movement up.
29:53
Speaker 2: For the for the listeners out there, what is your advice, suggestion, guidance?
30:01
Speaker 2: And there's so many modalities out there, so many great books.
30:08
Speaker 2: Where do you do? I do EMDR? Now should I
30:11
Speaker 2: do somatic experiencing or SCI or how do you know?
30:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's so many trading out there. You know.
30:22
Speaker 3: I say to people a couple of things. One is
30:25
Speaker 3: what is it that you are naturally drawn to that
30:31
Speaker 3: if you are with clients and you're working with them
30:35
Speaker 3: and you start to feel like there's more that I
30:38
Speaker 3: can do with this person, I can see it. I
30:41
Speaker 3: can see I can go a little further, but I
30:43
Speaker 3: don't have the knowledge. I don't know where to go
30:46
Speaker 3: with it. And if whether it's trauma or a particular area, diagnosis,
30:53
Speaker 3: particular area that you start to seek out what you're
30:57
Speaker 3: drawn to? What is your Is it more of the
31:01
Speaker 3: thought process, so cognitive work? Is it more from from
31:06
Speaker 3: more from a body perspective you're drawn to it? Is
31:10
Speaker 3: it more you're recognizing, like I want to go deeper
31:13
Speaker 3: on what's happening in the memory centers. That's so you
31:16
Speaker 3: start to research that. So I always say that, wasn't
31:19
Speaker 3: you drawn to that? Sometimes people are like, I don't know.
31:22
Speaker 6: What I'm drunk to and and that's okay. So that's okay,
31:27
Speaker 6: that's okay. Sit with sit with a couple of clients,
31:31
Speaker 6: and when you're with them.
31:34
Speaker 7: What sparks your excitement, what sparks your interest that when
31:43
Speaker 7: you see you working with this person, you start to
31:46
Speaker 7: start to feel like.
31:49
Speaker 3: Wow, I want I want to really see where this
31:53
Speaker 3: is leading me. I want to see what this person
31:57
Speaker 3: is really experience and seen in this area that they're
32:02
Speaker 3: that they're talking about. And if that excites you, then
32:07
Speaker 3: you start seeking those truths. Why why is that important
32:12
Speaker 3: because you have to like what you're doing. You really
32:16
Speaker 3: have to like what you're doing. When it comes to
32:19
Speaker 3: trauma work, it's heavy lifted on this end too. On
32:23
Speaker 3: that end too, you're hearing things and you have to
32:28
Speaker 3: really be able to to one like what you're doing,
32:32
Speaker 3: also be attuned to what you're doing, but also be
32:36
Speaker 3: able to help yourself as well. So if it works
32:40
Speaker 3: for you, it's got If it's working for you, you
32:44
Speaker 3: know it's gonna work for them to right. So that's
32:48
Speaker 3: important what I tell new people, because there's a lot
32:51
Speaker 3: of young people coming in, you know, into the field
32:54
Speaker 3: and UH interns and so on. If there are students
33:00
Speaker 3: that have the opportunity to start with bottom up trainings,
33:07
Speaker 3: I would ask you to try it. You're getting the
33:10
Speaker 3: training from the top down, you're getting and so you're
33:13
Speaker 3: getting your studies. Most universities are getting studies from the
33:17
Speaker 3: top end perspective cognitive work, GBT, so on, and some
33:23
Speaker 3: universities bring in some of the mid brain or mid
33:29
Speaker 3: brain understanding the lower brain understanding the body understanding that
33:35
Speaker 3: a lot of them don't. But if they're in, if
33:38
Speaker 3: they have an opportunity to be in an internship, where
33:43
Speaker 3: there's a place that is doing E. M. D R,
33:47
Speaker 3: or is doing somatic, or is doing brain spotting, is
33:52
Speaker 3: doing more bottom up type of models, that you get
33:55
Speaker 3: the opportunity to try it because it's going to broaden
33:59
Speaker 3: your awareness way more. It's going to broaden your awareness
34:04
Speaker 3: in addition to what you're learning, and that's going to
34:06
Speaker 3: spark up what you might be excited about.
34:10
Speaker 2: Could you even go so far as to say that
34:12
Speaker 2: somatic work is mandatory?
34:16
Speaker 3: Yes, I think, yeah, I think if we could have
34:21
Speaker 3: more universities adding that piece, a lot more people would
34:28
Speaker 3: get a lot more would get further in their healing quicker. Yeah,
34:36
Speaker 3: there was way more universities would added into it. And
34:39
Speaker 3: if not, you know there's other opportunities such a vital piece.
34:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you're incredible, so inspiring. How do our
34:52
Speaker 2: listeners learn more about you and what's going on?
34:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can reach out to me. You can
34:58
Speaker 3: email me let's talk at either let's talk at Gomez
35:04
Speaker 3: Counseling dot com or or it could be Jagmez at
35:10
Speaker 3: Trauma Healing dot org. That's do my sei, that's the
35:13
Speaker 3: faculty member quote being able to reach me there. And
35:19
Speaker 3: you can also call as well seven to one three
35:23
Speaker 3: personal cell POWs. Yeah, this is my work phone seven
35:28
Speaker 3: one three six x zero zero seven seven six. And
35:32
Speaker 3: then look on my website Gomes Counseling Consulting dot com.
35:35
Speaker 2: Awesome, we'll have all that and up here at the
35:37
Speaker 2: show notes page at the traumatripspodcast dot com. Amazing. Really,
35:43
Speaker 2: I mean this, this is what I love about the
35:47
Speaker 2: work I'm doing is getting to interview people like you
35:49
Speaker 2: who are just like so inspiring. Gina, Thank you, Thank
35:53
Speaker 2: you so much.
35:54
Speaker 3: I so appreciate being on here again.
35:56
Speaker 2: All Right, I'm weird. Time in the future. Take what
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Speaker 2: back