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Brett Keane Drunken Peasants Interview · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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I'm the spark in the circuit, the pulse and no wire casting
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spells in the mainframe. Setting servers on fire.
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Leon dreams in my veins. Got the code in my soul.
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Techno wizard. I'm spinning, taking full
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control. Dance on the keys like a mage
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with the wand dropping beats so electric.
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Make the future respond. Holograms in the air, watch the
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colors collide. I'm the ruler of rhythms on the
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stitcher, lighting up the night with stars in my eyes.
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Let the bass line shake the room, casting spells in the dark
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with the Sonic zoom. Pixel potions are blue in the
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virtual haze, mixing loops and effects for Sonic Maze.
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Quantum clock sticking fast, but I'm bending the time.
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Every beats a new spell, every bar's a new rhyme.
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worlds out of sound. Living life in the dream.
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Put me into the grid. Let my frequency soar.
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with the Sonic. Brave Breeze the frame Rewind,
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let the circuits ignite, sink the stars align where we're
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electric tonight. Every fights a new charm, every
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ways a new spell. Techno Wizards in charge, and
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I'm raising some. Techno Wizard boom boom, feel
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the power rise, Lighting up the night with stars in my eyes.
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Techno Wizard boom boom, let the face light shake the room.
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Cast the spells in the dark with the Sonic zoom.
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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Brett Keane from GOD TV
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Radio and I hope you're all having a blessed day.
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When you get an opportunity, check out my radio station on
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Spotify. And while you're over there,
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also check out my artist page where you'll be able to listen
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to countless albums that I and my brother Justin Keene, my
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sister Dana Keene have collaborated on.
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You can listen to it for absolutely free.
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If you don't like Spotify, then simply go over to YouTube Music
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or hundreds of other outlets. The music's available.
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Today I'm going to be doing an interview.
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This is not scripted. I don't know who this person is.
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They emailed me. They said they wanted to ask
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questions. I have decided that I don't even
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want to bother asking all the different things that they're
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wanting to get into. I prefer things to be raw.
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I want it to be unique, original.
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So I didn't want to like some kind of preconceived idea of
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what I was getting into. That's usually how I always do
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it. I think that he understands it
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and he can ask me pretty much whatever he wants.
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I've been doing this for 20 years, I'm a influencer, so I've
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been doing a lot of interviews and I don't mind it.
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I'm an open book. So would you like to introduce
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yourself and I guess let's get it going, Rock'n'roll.
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All right, well, let me start off by saying I did not expect
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the whole intro on everything. Wow, you, you really rolled out
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the red carpet for me. But yeah, my, my name is Jane.
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I am an up and coming writer I guess.
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And I, I would like to firstly thank you Mr. Keane, for
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allowing me to speak with you. And yeah, like you said it very
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impromptu. We had just a few minutes of a
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talk before this, so we didn't even really get into anything.
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So we're just going to go off the cuff.
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I'll be honest, I I have interviewed people before, but
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it's been a long time. And that was for like
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documentary stuff. And this is much more, I guess,
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personalized because it's just just me doing my thing, I guess.
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And of course, here with the star Brett Keene, How are you
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today? Let's let's just start off by
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just, you know, getting to know each other a little bit.
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Just, you know, how are things going for you today?
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I'm doing pretty good. Most likely after the interview
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I'm going to be sitting down with the wife and doing what old
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couples do. Eat popcorn, watch a movie or
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something. Not exactly sure what kind of
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mess he's going to get me into. I have no idea what the film is
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at this point. I do want to let you know
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something and I let anybody know this during the interview.
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I am an open book. I literally mean that I have No
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Fear of questions. The only thing that I my rule is
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is the one every human being would want.
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I don't want to get into anything that involves doxing.
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I don't want to basically be exploited in that kind of way.
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But as far as drama or my history or why I wanted to do
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shed or why how do I sleep? Do I do it upside down like
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that? Man, I give a rat's ass.
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You can literally ask me whatever you want and it won't
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offend me and I don't give a shit if you're on my side.
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I don't care if you really like me.
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I'm I decided a long time ago to go celebrity status so have to
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deal with that. Does that make sense?
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My mentality? Yeah, yeah, that's perfectly
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reasonable. Yeah.
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I wouldn't want you to docs, you know, I, I wouldn't want to be
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docs myself. So I can, that's perfectly
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understandable. And yeah, if, if you just want
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to be straight up and honest, I, I dig it, man.
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Like I said before, I don't really want to get that, you
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know, messy into anything. I want to keep it all pretty,
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you know, above the belt and yeah, And I just want to say,
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you know, I am the big movie person.
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So I hear you're going to watch a movie.
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You don't know what it's going to be yet, but what's like the
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most like recent movie you've seen?
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How about or or maybe one that really like striked your fancy
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or you know, something that ignited a fire and you.
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Oh yeah, definitely. Last movie I watched with my
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wife that was really it was a movie that they the kind of shit
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they don't make nowadays. Nowadays I don't feel like
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they're good at writing. Like everything's woke ideology
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shit. This movie actually seemed like
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it was written by somebody smart.
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It was called Mercy with Chris Pratt about him being accused of
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murder and standing before an AI judge who would execute him if
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he couldn't make his own case. It was really interesting.
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Yeah, I I heard a lot about that movie.
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I didn't get to see it unfortunately, but you you
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thought it was good. Oh yeah, because I've actually
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thought it would be a great idea to have artificial intelligence,
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something without pride or ego, just sticking to the case and
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the rules of law. It's too many injustices in the
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world because humans make stupid mistakes based upon emotion.
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Yeah, that's very logical based. I can agree to that.
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Sure. I think there should be a little
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more Objectivism. Objectivism.
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I can't even talk to that, you know, more more logical approach
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to some of these things, especially when it comes to law.
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A lot of emotions involves them. Yeah, sure, I can.
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I can see that. I know you're very big into AI.
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We'll definitely get into that later.
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But do you think, now here's here's a good question with
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movies. Do you think AI and movies is,
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is a good thing, a net positive? Do you think one day there'll be
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a a 100% AI movie that'll be like better than anything a
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human makes? I think that it's most likely
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going to be where AI very quickly very soon.
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This isn't like some off in the future type of bullshit.
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I think that Hollywood's going to try to stay away from it for
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a while, probably use it for stories like Terminator like
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they did in the past, Megan, shit like that.
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But I think that one of the things that's great about this
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is a lot of young people and people who are creative who
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don't have the money or budget to actually make a big film.
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This gives young people the ability to be able to do their
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creativity and not fucking go completely bankrupt.
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I think we're going to. I see a lot of cool shit.
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I have a lot of hope for it, and I also like the idea that it's
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going to kill Hollywood. I hate Hollywood.
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Yeah, Hollywood can get on my nerves sometimes for sure.
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And I will say it is very impressive what, Yeah, people
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can just do at home on their computers where I I see stuff
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that it blows me away. And I, you know, I've been in
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film stuff for a while and there's stuff that's
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practically, you go like, how do they do that?
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But there's AI stuff where you go like, like, wow, just how do
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they make it look so real? So I, I definitely see it coming
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eventually. I also, I just wouldn't be
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surprised if they already use it in some form that you just don't
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really notice, like, I don't know, in the writing or some
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visual effects that you just can't see, you know, but it'll
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be interesting to see, you know, this this new generation of film
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makers, how they'll use it as a tool.
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But all right, so. Before 11 more second, I wanted
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to tell you something that you might actually be fascinating.
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You did tell me I could spit shit out on the on the raw with
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you. You might be actually interested
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to know. I actually announced this in my
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YouTube channel. I am actually working on an AI
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film myself that involves AI. Yeah, I'm converting one of my
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old books. I'm, I'm running it through AI
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as we speak, where it's scripting it in a way where I
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can actually make it coherent as a film.
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So I'm actually doing that already.
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I've never been able to do that in the 80s and 90s, trying to
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get a budget, investors and all that.
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And it's actually turned out good.
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I actually have a movie trailer up on my channel if you ever get
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a chance to see it. Yeah, no, I definitely have to
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check that out. I, I think we'll, we'll, we
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should dive into that more when we get to more AI stuff than
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what you're up to now. But that's, that's very
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interesting. And I do want to ask about that.
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But yeah, before we get into anything else, do you have
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anything else you want to ask or say or just any other comments
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before you really dive into it, you know?
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You know, so far we basically just shooting the shit kind of
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interview. We've talked about movies, we've
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talked about basically the rules turn to service and yadda yadda,
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yadda. We've been straight with each
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other and let's do it. Yeah.
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All right, so. So, yeah, there's a lot to get
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to. I have to say I've tried to
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organize it a little bit, but, you know, some things might
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bleed into other things and go off.
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So I'll try and stick to my questions as best as possible.
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But so to start out, could you please explain like your brand,
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like what kind of videos you make, the topics you discuss,
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your kind of general tone and aesthetic, like your music, your
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podcast, like what you do, like how people could follow you.
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I know you did your whole intro at the beginning, but this is
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more for like the article, you know, and also just like as if
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this is kind of like an elevator pitch.
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Like you run into, you know, big executive, like, I don't know
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any writing executives, but like you run into Steven Spielberg,
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He's like, oh, what's your thing about?
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Like how would you explain it to him?
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I get you. Well, if people were to go to my
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channel, the first thing they'd probably think is that it's a
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religious channel. But if they actually were not
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lazy or illiterate and actually really looked into the detail
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and videos, they would notice that I don't just deal with
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religion, but philosophy. Sometimes I talk about other
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people's positions like a normal influencer.
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I also like science. I'm into entertainment.
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Sometimes I'll talk about a film, video games, I'm literally
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all over the place. Probably the only thing I don't
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give a fuck talking about is opera.
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Music that disgusts me makes me want to vomit.
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Sure, sure. I'm, I'll listen to most any
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music, but I, I can't say I listen to much opera.
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I will say, you know, the name God, TV radio, that does kind of
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elicit a religious connotation. So do you think you said it's
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not initially a religion, but do you think that would put anybody
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off, you know, just the name on its own?
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Sure, but unfortunately for me, it is one of the major topics I
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like to talk about and I don't restrict people based upon their
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position if they can come into a live stream and chat with me.
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I actually people don't understand this about me because
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people look at things in a tribalistic way.
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They think that if you don't share somebody's view, people
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are so used to getting kicked out of the club or not being
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able to hang out or be friends. I'm actually open to being cool
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with anybody. I always warn people.
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I say, look, if you come at me as a friend, then the
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temperature stays nice. If you get hot, I'm willing to
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jump in the dirt as well and wrestle with you.
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I'm not one of these people that'll say, oh, I'm not going
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to throw my pearls to the, you know, swine type of thing.
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I like to fight, I like to spar, but I also like to just shoot
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the shit like what we're doing currently.
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Yeah, sure, that's perfectly reasonable.
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Like, yeah, I, I feel that way myself.
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I feel like I'm pretty nice to everybody.
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And but if you, you know, if you're going to be a jerk to me,
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then I think that gives you some, you know, excuse to be a
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jerk to them. So yeah, I, I can totally
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understand. I think that's a perfectly
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reasonable thing one. More thing I I do think I need
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to wrap this this up nicely for you.
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It is specifically I mean that highest priority of all is to
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actually talk about philosophy and religion.
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But I do have a very broad amount of stuff.
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I'm also into gaming as well. Sandbox type of Mmos like
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immersive shit. Yeah, no.
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So your main focus is philosophy and religion, but you also dive
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into video games, music, news, all that sort of stuff.
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Yeah, exactly. I think that unfortunately my
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new stuff might be a little bit overwhelming for some.
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A lot of people just report normal shit in the world.
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My shit can get pretty damn dark.
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You'd really be able to tell the difference between how I do
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things and other people. So I guess that's this is a
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further question, but I think we can bring it up now.
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So you you speak, you're a little like edgy, I'd say.
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So what kind of audience are you hoping to cultivate or either
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you're hoping to cultivate or do you or have cultivated, I should
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say. Well, I I do know that I have
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gained a great deal of people who are interested in my topics,
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but I also realize that I have stepped on toes.
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I acknowledge that that was going to happen before I even
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started. I already know that I've got a
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cool side to me, but I also know that I can be an asshole.
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I'm self aware of that and I do sometimes.
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I'm blunt with how I feel about things and my philosophy is you
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don't like what the hell I'm saying.
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You got two options, refute me, debunk me, or get the fuck out
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of here kind of attitude. And you got to have that
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attitude if you're going to do something like YouTube and the
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Internet. Internet is not nice.
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You're walking into a battlefield, so you got to have
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tough skin. For sure, for sure.
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Sorry, I'm just looking at my questions.
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OK, let's rewind a little bit and just could you explain your
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kind of your history on the Internet from start to now kind
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of briefly? I originally my agenda when I
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first came to the Internet was to actually advertise music and
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books. And then I found that I wasn't
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able to have deep conversations with people in my local area.
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I found myself in a trap. I was a person that perceived
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themselves as intelligent, looking for groups and people to
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talk to and I couldn't find it because I lived out in the
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country and there's not a lot of people out my way.
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I literally live out in the woods.
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So I came to the Internet and discovered there's communities,
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Yahoo chat, AOLI mean this was literally 20 something years
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ago. So that's what I wanted.
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Interaction, engagement, debating, yadda yadda yadda.
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Then YouTube started getting popular and it gave me the
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ability to do videos. Honestly, I didn't think that I
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was going to actually like you to when I first started out, I
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thought, why do video? I just want to talk to people
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anyway. But people kept saying, right,
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you actually got a pretty cool voice and you know, you're
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interesting, maybe do it. And I remember doing my first
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video and thinking, fuck, I'm not going to get more than five
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people. Why would anybody give a shit
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about some redneck from St. Louis, MO?
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I walked away, came back two weeks later and had thousands of
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subscribers and followers and I go, Oh my God, what happened?
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Is the universe actually liking me finally, for once in life?
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So after you sort of started to find success on YouTube, you
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started to pursue that as a either a hobby or career path.
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Not exactly. It's never really been about a
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career thing. I actually like the radio more.
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The whole point that I like doing videos and the beginning
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was I thought that it would bring attention, which means
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bring more people that I could actually talk with.
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I didn't want to be the face on a box where I just see numbers
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and and comments out on the outside screen.
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It was meant to actually 'cause people to be interested, so I'd
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have people to talk to. That's what it started out as.
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Unfortunately, as I found out, the Internet was filled with
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more retards than I can actually handle.
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Things became a different dynamic, if that makes sense.
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It's like you want to talk to people, but then you find out
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there's a lot of animals out there and it's like, whoa, this
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kind of sucks. This isn't what I wanted.
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Sure, sure. So it's more of a social outlet
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than a creative one, would you say?
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Yeah, and there's also another difference between me and other
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influencers. I'm not trying to be edgy and
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claim to be some special snowflake, but I make videos
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that I would want to watch. I'm not necessarily trying to
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make a video one day saying to myself, oh I wonder if AB and CS
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actually going to watch if you make videos where you're trying
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to chase trends. You're going to burn out.
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One of the reasons I survived is because I only make shit that I
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would actually want to watch if I was forced.
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OK, so you look at it more as this is the type of stuff I want
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to do. I would watch this.
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So that's just your main motivation to create something
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that is more connected to yourself than someone else.
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Yeah, and I actually, by what we're doing right now shows that
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I accomplished exactly what I want and I'm not done videos and
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talk. Even though I'm not getting the
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kind of interaction I want. Sometimes what I'm doing gets
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people like you interested, where you'll e-mail when you
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want to say hi, some woman or guy will say I'd love to talk to
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you and you can build a friendship from there.
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That's the whole point. It's not just make video, walk
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away, rinse and repeat. That's fucking lame.
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OK, yeah, no, that's, I mean, that's a perfectly apartment way
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to to build relationships and everything through the Internet.
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That's one of the, that's probably the, the the one
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positive of the Internet is that it does bring people together.
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Yeah, you, you bring up a good point of yeah, if you weren't
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doing this just being you, I wouldn't have, you know, come
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across you and contacted you. So I'll give you that one.
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Let's see. That kind of got me a little off
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track, but let me just see what we got.
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You can bounce all over the place.
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Yeah, I know, I know. I.
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Don't require you to be organized and all that.
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I know this is kind of a starting out thing.
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Try the watershed. So I'm totally here to help if I
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can. Yeah, no, I just get like anal
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about wanting to cover everything.
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OK, so so you talked about, I don't feel like we got to, we
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kind of got to. That's fine.
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OK. So yeah, you've been making
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videos kind of for yourself to be social.
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You've been doing that the whole time and we are here now.
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One thing I wanted to ask is since you've been around so
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long, like where would be some like say like a new viewer comes
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along, where would be a good place for them to start?
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Oh, you're asking me basically advice or suggestions on how to
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get it going if you're just starting out?
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Dealing, I mean more like, you know, if someone like hears
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about Brett Keene, right, where would be a good place for them
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to start to like understand your, your videos, your views,
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that kind of stuff? Like if someone comes onto your
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channel, do you just say watch like the newest video?
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Or do you think like, oh, you should go back because you're
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not going to fully understand something?
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Or I know you said you had like your Wikipedia page, but like
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where or your Grokapedia page. Pardon.
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But where's like a good place for someone to start to like
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understand you or become like a fan of you, you know?
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Well, it'd probably be that's a, that's a issue.
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That's kind of a dichotomy that you're asking me.
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I do a lot of different broad topics.
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It really depends on what the person's interested in.
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I can't assume that right now. If I told you, hey, I got this
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really cool religious video, I don't even know if you're
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religious, why would you give a fuck?
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I mean, honestly, if you were to tell me I'm a gamer or I'm into
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this kind of shit, then I would be able to specifically point at
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something that I think would fit with your interests.
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You see what I mean? Yeah, no, I understand it is
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kind of a tough question to really answer 'cause it's like,
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again, I think of everything as movies.
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So it's like, oh, I heard about like, you know, David Lynch, for
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example. So, OK, where do I start?
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It's like, oh, well, I would say start with like, like, you know,
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Eraserhead or something. But it's like, oh, I heard about
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Brett Keene. It's like, oh, so like, what
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should I start with? Like, should I listen to like
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his music first? Should I watch his video?
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Should I listen to his podcast? Like even if they, you know, you
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have this ovoir of of all different type of things, like
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where do you think the best place for someone to start would
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be? Like just just from your
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perspective? All right, the best answer I can
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give you for this is that I would probably tell people to go
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to my Spotify, YouTube. I'm the clean cut version.
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I'm very clean because I don't want to violate term service.
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I've been shut down, I've been cancelled before and I can't be
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who I truly am. So when I do make a video that's
24:44
actually nice enough to be on YouTube, you I put a copy on
24:48
both. But if people really want to
24:51
hear the real craze and all that bullshit, that's where Spotify
24:55
is. They literally let me say
24:57
whatever the fuck I want. Gotcha.
25:00
So, so go to your Spotify is, is what you would say, OK, I did
25:08
that. So again, you said you want to
25:12
be open and I, you know, I don't want to be mean about anything,
25:15
but what would you say your general from your perspective,
25:18
what would you say your general standing on the Internet is like
25:22
nowadays? I'm actually disappointed how I
25:27
had higher expectations when I came to the Internet.
25:31
You see, I wasn't able to feed that philosophical discussion
25:36
part of me in my country area, even if I ran into people, most
25:41
people are thinking about BBQ, lawn mowing, hanging out with
25:45
their family, and there's no real deep conversation
25:48
happening. I assumed when I came the
25:51
Internet that I was going to find a whole lot of people that
25:54
were just brilliant geniuses, people who are going to really
25:58
feed that hunger or that need for deep, deep, substantive
26:03
conversation. But I found out that the world
26:06
was literally filled with mildly retarded people.
26:10
So that was. I'm not trying to be mean but
26:13
there should be more cunts out there than there is actually
26:17
cool people that you can have an in depth conversation.
26:20
The tribalism is amplified to an unbelievable way where it's
26:26
almost makes it impossible to make the connection.
26:29
I always say it's funny the Internet was meant for
26:33
connection, but it disconnects us even more.
26:38
So you just kind of feel that YouTube is just kind of full of
26:45
undesirables, I would say. It's not just it's not just an
26:51
intellectual. A lot of people on the Internet,
26:54
they fall into the temptation of wanting to be that person that
26:58
wants to monetize. So they pretend to be something
27:01
they not, they're not, they front, they act crazy and shit.
27:06
I've met so many people offline from the the Internet and
27:09
they're nothing like the persona or the character that they are.
27:13
And it's kind of like that whole thing.
27:15
You probably heard the worst thing you could ever do is meet
27:19
your hero. They turned out to not be what
27:21
you expect. Yeah, I know.
27:25
So, for example, do you think if somebody met you in real life
27:30
they would, do you think they'd be disappointed?
27:33
Or do you think that your image lives up to that?
27:36
Like mythology, you know? I think that I've been pretty
27:41
articulate with who I am. I am exactly what you would
27:45
expect if we were walking around in a store or a mall or just
27:48
sitting down in my living room. I'm I have always attempted to
27:53
make it as clear about who I am. I will be honest, sometimes I'm
27:57
a little bit more dramatic sometimes when dealing with
28:00
people on the Internet for the whole laughter effect, but I'm
28:04
in no way. I mean, if you look at my
28:06
channel, you know who I am right off the bat.
28:08
It says Brett Keene. I'm not behind some name called
28:12
the Pokémon Collector or asked out of the month things.
28:15
I don't have any fancy bullshit. Here I am.
28:19
Boom. I'm like the Stone Cold Steve
28:21
Austin of wrestling. Oh good.
28:25
So you would say that your general standing on the Internet
28:30
now is just as this straight up like kind of raw, like you said,
28:37
like Stone Cold Steve Austin, like that kind of figure.
28:40
That's what you would kind of narrow it down to.
28:44
Yeah, basically, here I am. You don't like it, you know, You
28:48
know, Stone Cold. So I told you so kind of
28:50
bullshit. Yeah, I I maybe that was a
28:53
little dramatic. I'm just me.
28:55
I'm just me doing my thing. Sure.
28:57
That's hey, that's all I could ask of you.
29:01
So like more on that, like you said, how you know you wanted to
29:07
have intellectual discussions, you didn't feel very satiated
29:12
and that's why you kind of aren't, you don't feel great on
29:15
the Internet, that kind of stuff.
29:16
But why would you say in general people don't really like you or
29:21
they kind of dislike you? Again, I'm not trying to be me.
29:23
I'm trying to say, why do you think that people feel that way
29:26
about you? Because people like to hang
29:30
around with fantasy versions of other people.
29:33
Or you got to be an absolute carbon copy of them.
29:36
The problem can be found in any group.
29:39
It's tribalistic. If I'm in a room with religious
29:42
people who are kissing each others ass and I don't like what
29:45
I hear, I cannot help myself. I will tell somebody why I think
29:50
they're full of shit and I'll unpackage it.
29:53
Some people appreciate the honesty and the bluntness.
29:56
Other people, they want to look good on video.
29:59
Their ego does not like it whenever it's a public deal.
30:02
I mean, why do you think it is? You didn't want a live stream
30:05
because you're not sure how people would react.
30:08
And of course, I'm sure you've got the agenda where you don't
30:10
want your news thing not being seen first.
30:14
You get it, People do that. And if I'm in a room with
30:17
atheist, of course I will sit there and unpackage their
30:21
worldview right in front of them.
30:23
And people can't handle that. Even if I'm doing calmly and
30:27
nicely like I'm talking to you right now, it's stepping on
30:31
toes. And that's why I knew before I
30:33
even came on the Internet. I was aware of myself to know
30:36
that I'm like that and I was probably going to piss some
30:39
people off. OK.
30:43
So you think that it's because you like too abrasive that it
30:47
kind of turns people off from from you and you and you
30:51
acknowledge that. Yes, some people, they just want
30:56
to shoot the shit. They're not ready for that kind
30:59
of thing. But if somebody's really, really
31:02
pushing it, like religion, politics or certain topics that
31:06
you literally, no matter how you approach it, you're going to
31:09
piss somebody off, You're going to hurt somebody's little
31:12
feelings. People are going to have a sad
31:15
and there's nothing you can do about it.
31:16
The only thing I've learned that I can do is say, look, I'm not
31:20
trying to piss you off, but here's AB and C and people don't
31:25
like to be unpackaged. People like their little safe
31:28
place. Do you understand?
31:30
Yeah, no, of course just, Yeah, I think in just general, if you
31:36
just disagree with anybody, they're just going to get upset
31:39
because people just don't like to, you know, have fundamentals
31:44
shattered like that. So.
31:46
OK, so yeah, you just, you're just kind of, you're just saying
31:50
it like it is. You can't really help yourself.
31:52
You just, you know, you got to be honest.
31:54
And yeah, that turns some people off.
31:56
OK, then one last little thing before getting the kind of
32:03
shifting gears. Let's say you wake up tomorrow
32:07
and by some act of God or whatever, you have like a
32:11
million subscribers or a million followers on Spotify.
32:15
What would be your first like message or your first video to
32:19
them? Like what would you say to all
32:21
these millions of of people? I would suspect that the reason
32:28
why I have them is because whatever I'm doing in the moment
32:32
is actually going right by people, which means that they
32:37
like what I'm doing. They like my honest, truthful
32:40
side, and they're probably not expecting extra, that they just
32:44
want what they're already hearing.
32:46
So I'm not going to suddenly go, oh, a million subscribers.
32:50
I got to go out and buy a bunch of special effects and act like
32:54
a absolute fucking circus animal.
32:56
Now just keep doing what I'm doing.
32:59
I used to when I first started out, I was one of those guys who
33:02
if I got like up to 102 hundred 1000 and it climbed every like
33:08
rounded off number. I do that video where I'm like,
33:11
thank you everyone for your support.
33:14
But now I realize nowadays that there's no point of even doing
33:18
that shit. A lot of people who watch me,
33:20
they either watch me because they want to learn, they want to
33:23
laugh, they find me interesting, or they just want to see me
33:27
fail. So it doesn't even really matter
33:29
anymore. They already know that I'm
33:31
thinking them by simply not leaving and continue in doing
33:34
what I'm doing. If I didn't appreciate them, I
33:37
wouldn't continue to work. Sure, sure.
33:42
So you would just continue as normal, more or less.
33:46
You wouldn't. You wouldn't change.
33:48
You wouldn't say, you know, start really trying to, you
33:54
know, keep people engaged. You just, you think, you know, I
33:57
got these subscribers, so I'm just going to keep keep going.
34:01
I'm 49 years old. If I were a younger man I'd
34:05
probably be tempted to be goofy, honestly.
34:08
Put a little bit of sugar on it and the coffee type of deal.
34:11
But now I just don't give a rat's ass.
34:14
I'm like, I'm at a point in my life where it's like you either
34:18
like me or you don't. I I'm not going to waste time
34:22
basically hurting my own creativity based upon someone's
34:26
subjective opinion about me. OK, no, that's, that's perfectly
34:33
reasonable. OK, so let's get a little before
34:38
we get into the professional side, let's get a little
34:41
personal. And I don't mean like too
34:43
personal. I just want to say like, I just
34:45
want to ask about just kind of yourself perception, I guess in,
34:51
in, in just like general, just day in the life.
34:53
So firstly, I just want to ask like, how would you describe
34:57
yourself as a person? Like who?
34:59
Who is Brett Keen at A quick response.
35:04
Well, I guess the best way to be able to answer that is to kind
35:08
of talk about my real personal roles in society.
35:12
When I'm not doing the radio, I If someone were to hang out with
35:16
me, they'd see that I'm a a father.
35:19
I'm a husband. I have, I've been married for 30
35:22
years. I believe in loyalty,
35:24
commitment. I believe that a couple should
35:27
respect each other and not give bullshit expectations or a
35:32
fantasy version of their spouses.
35:35
I'm a happy husband. I my wife is happy.
35:39
I've got two young adult children and I'm proud of them.
35:43
I have really, really made it an effort to be the best father I
35:46
can and they've really exceeded and I feel like my legacy
35:51
continues on no matter what happens to me.
35:53
And really that's the most important priority in my life is
35:58
my kids and my wife being able to flourish long after I'm gone.
36:02
So that's the kind of guy I am. I'm more of a homebody than
36:07
going out in public. And that's not because I'm bored
36:10
of the world. That's because I live out in the
36:12
country and I literally have to travel 200 miles to get to a
36:17
civilization kind of thing. I like the peace.
36:20
I like the quiet. My energy comes out on the
36:23
Internet. OK, So you're a real family man,
36:28
father, homebody, like you said. OK, I'll get to that in a
36:37
second. We'll say, OK, what would you
36:39
say your biggest strengths are? Well, as far as my if there's
36:46
two different animals and stuff, even though I'm the same person,
36:50
different goals, but obviously I think that my strength is
36:54
endurance and patience and all that.
36:57
Being able to put myself in a position where I can put myself
37:01
in other people's shoes. A lot of people can't do that
37:04
because they're either self-centered or self absorbed.
37:07
I would say that I think that I've done pretty good as a
37:10
husband. I've got a success rate and I
37:13
think I've done pretty good as a father.
37:14
These are all important to me and I've been able to do the
37:18
dreams that I want to do. I've been able to do music, I've
37:21
been able to write. I've been able to be as creative
37:24
as I want. The strength is, is I'm not.
37:27
I may say one day to the next that I feel like I'm tired or
37:31
exhausted or quit, but the truth is, as I know for a fact, I
37:36
don't know how to actually quit. OK, so I would say persistence
37:44
is probably the the best word to describe, would you agree?
37:47
Yes, and for the positive there, there can be a bad version of
37:52
persistence, but yeah, that's where I'm at.
37:55
Yeah, I think we'll get into that a little later on a second.
37:59
So, yeah, also, so your greatest strength, persistence, what
38:02
would you say your greatest weakness is?
38:05
Again, not to not to be mean, but I think everyone asked this
38:08
especially like job interviews. So like what is your like job
38:10
interview? Like what is your your greatest
38:12
weakness? Well, it's kind of tricky.
38:16
Some people would probably see this as a strength, other people
38:19
would see it as a blessing. It's a double edged sword.
38:22
I always give everybody the benefit of the doubt.
38:26
I always try to see the good in everybody.
38:29
I kind of wear my heart on my sleeve because my original
38:32
agenda starting now, it is I want to be able to make friends,
38:35
I want to be able to build relationships.
38:38
But because I've become popular, even though I'm not as popular
38:42
as I used to be, there's a lot of people that have preconceived
38:45
notions of what I'm actually about.
38:48
Some people are out to fuck you over or get that gotcha moment
38:52
on a show. They don't even think for a
38:54
moment, oh, I could actually be buddies with this guy.
38:59
That's that's one of the issues I find myself in, the
39:02
weaknesses, giving people a little bit more than they should
39:06
be given credit for. OK, yeah, you're a little too.
39:12
I don't want to say forgiving, maybe that's not the right word.
39:16
But you, you seem to be more Yeah, you you seem to take
39:20
people at face value. Maybe is the is the way to
39:22
describe it. And that's not always, you know,
39:25
because, yeah, some people could be lying to you, like trying to
39:28
trick you, like. So OK, that that's a reasonable
39:30
weakness. I think a lot of people can say
39:33
that you, you touched on it before and I don't know if you
39:39
just want to say it again or if you want to if you have a
39:41
different answer. But what do you What is
39:43
something you think people don't really understand or appreciate
39:47
about you? Well, the things that I, I mean,
39:54
I have, obviously whenever I was younger, I spent a little bit
39:57
more time than I should. I wanted to understand where my
40:01
critics were coming from. Believe it or not, I used to
40:04
watch people who made videos about me and.
40:08
And I wonder what's their problem with me?
40:10
What's their issue? Because I figured if they gave
40:12
me constructive criticism, then I could actually work on that in
40:16
order to improve it. But some of these critics,
40:19
they're not really interested in refuting my arguments.
40:22
It's not about really what I'm saying half the time.
40:26
It's more of I noticed that a lot of my haters tend to use my
40:30
content as reaction so they have something to sell on their
40:34
YouTube channel. It's like they're too lazy to
40:37
make their own original shit and they got this guy where they can
40:41
go, oh, look, he's old, look at all the flaws.
40:43
Oh, he's fat, he's stupid, blah, blah, blah.
40:46
And it's like, oh, come on, are we back in middle school?
40:50
That's that's what I had discovered on the Internet.
40:53
People go for the low fruit. Sure.
40:57
So they but I'm sorry, but what? But what is?
41:06
What is the thing that they don't understand about you
41:08
though? You didn't really answer the
41:09
question. Right.
41:12
I don't think that there is any misunderstanding.
41:15
That's the part that gets people.
41:17
I know you probably think I should see that, but I think
41:21
that I'm pretty clear when you're listening to me talking,
41:24
you understand exactly the words that are coming out of my mouth.
41:27
It's not like I'm speaking in Chinese.
41:30
So when people do make a bullshit video about me, they're
41:33
not talking about me. They're they've made-up a
41:36
character that they have. They're much better setting.
41:40
So you think just in general they just don't understand you?
41:45
Just period. No, I think that they
41:48
deliberately build this bullshit persona that they can tear down.
41:54
I don't think it's a matter of this.
41:56
How do I put it? It's not a matter of
41:58
misunderstanding. It's a matter of deliberate
42:02
intent in order to try to take somebody down just to either
42:06
bully, to attack, or just to have some a topic that they can
42:10
talk about. My name just happens to get
42:13
used. It's not a misunderstanding on
42:15
my part, they're just assholes. OK, so, so sorry if I'm just
42:23
like being obtuse about it, but it's it's not that you do
42:27
something or there's something that is being missing.
42:30
Like you know at like by accident is being
42:36
misinterpreted, right? You think it is all malicious
42:39
misunderstandings that these people are are are like pointing
42:44
out or or exemplifying? Yes, and it's not because of me.
42:50
It has nothing to do with me. What it is, is some people make
42:53
reaction videos or they make shit because they're climbing
42:57
out for clout. They want to be seen.
43:00
They want their video to get views.
43:02
Most of the time. Some of these people that act
43:04
like they fucking hate me, they literally don't.
43:08
They just want something to be able to talk about that day
43:11
because they're too damn dumb to talk about something of real
43:13
interest or originality. OK, OK, I understand.
43:18
I I, I understand you. Yeah.
43:21
So yeah, you do. You just feel that just people
43:26
are more concerned with deliberately misconstruing what
43:30
you say than like you like maybe like said something like kind of
43:36
confusing or or it's it's just more directly malicious.
43:42
Right. And I'll give you an example how
43:44
why it is that I come to that logical rational position.
43:49
I do live streams all the time. As you know, I'm extremely
43:53
accessible. Emails, I open up live rooms.
43:56
Anybody can come in. So if someone truly had an issue
44:00
with me or they didn't like something, they could simply
44:03
come in and say, hey, Brad, I think some of your shit's cool.
44:07
But I disagree with this, this and this.
44:10
Like if I get an atheist who comes in, they usually have the
44:14
agenda where they want to tear up religion.
44:16
They have some kind of chip on their shoulder or they think
44:20
that I said something contradictory.
44:22
That's the only the honest thing that they've ever done is that
44:25
they think that I wasn't clear enough for something and it kind
44:29
of swayed that. Religion, unfortunately, and
44:32
philosophy does sometimes kind of wave back and forth where
44:36
people might get a different view one day.
44:39
Problem on the Internet is sometimes people evolve their
44:42
views. Like my biggest problem I've
44:45
noticed is somebody might have heard me back in the day and
44:48
they think, oh, he probably thinks this way today.
44:52
It's like they're in a time capsule that is frozen in time.
44:56
They don't realize I've evolved over time.
44:59
I'm not the same asshole from this many years ago.
45:03
That's the problem with the Internet.
45:04
It creates the illusion. OK, so that's also another
45:09
source of kind of confusion is that just since time has passed
45:15
so much that it can be a little tricky to to to get like the the
45:18
most current perspective. I think one of the most
45:23
frustrating things for anybody out there is when you're a
45:27
you're a person who's making videos or shows you expect.
45:31
Like I have discovered many times where people will go, what
45:35
the Hell's the context of something?
45:38
See my work is kind of the continuance of each other.
45:42
And if somebody doesn't watch the last few videos before, they
45:46
might not understand fully where the hell I'm going out the 3rd.
45:50
I'm always got it in my mind that if they actually watch my
45:54
shit long enough, they'll understand.
45:57
But if they just like grab 5 minutes out of it, well of
46:00
course they're going to be lost and there's going to be
46:03
confusion. OK, you know, that's, that's
46:07
perfectly reasonable. I think we'll come back to this
46:10
a little bit later. So I'm going to save another
46:13
thing with that. All right.
46:19
I feel, I feel like I got a speed up.
46:21
Look, I feel I got a lot to get the lot to get to.
46:24
You're you're you're doing great.
46:26
Honestly, you're giving me like a lot of good stuff.
46:27
So don't don't feel like you have to be short, but I just
46:30
feel like I need to to get out to get to everything.
46:34
I get it, you got a huge amount of questions and you're trying
46:37
to make sure you get what you can and go.
46:40
If you feel like you want me to be more concise, let me know.
46:43
It's your interview. Yeah, no, no, you're doing
46:45
great. I'm just trying to figure out
46:48
how I want to because we because we haven't even got to the
46:51
videos or anything, but there's still so much.
46:54
OK, so I guess let's get into this.
46:56
So I, I want to get personal before professional.
47:00
So could you take me through a day in the life of Brett Keane?
47:06
Like, you know, from waking up, you know, whatever you do during
47:09
the day to going to sleep, like what's an average day like?
47:14
Oh, I got to go out in public and sign autographs.
47:18
I got to sit in front of interviews.
47:20
Then at night I got to get dressed up real fancy with the
47:23
wife. We go pick up an award now.
47:26
Now I wake up, I drink some coffee, I call my kids, see how
47:31
they're doing and all that because they live out on their
47:33
own. I, of course, give my wife a
47:36
kiss and we breakfast, we get up, we do our thing, yadda,
47:40
yadda, yadda. And of course, I can't go into
47:43
specifics, but obviously if you're going to be an adult, you
47:47
got your own home, you got to have a job.
47:49
But I'm not going to give any deeper clues on how what that's
47:53
involved. I'm pretty much your typical
47:56
type of guy who's just likes to watch movies, read books.
48:00
I like to research the Internet. I like to doom scroll the
48:04
Internet and see what the next retarded ass thing has happened
48:07
in the world that day. Shit, I think that you and I
48:11
probably would find a lot of similarities in that thing.
48:15
We're just looking for something to do that day.
48:17
I don't have any set plans. I don't go on vacations.
48:21
I'll never probably even have an interest in going to Hawaii.
48:24
That's where I'm at. Just a guy.
48:27
All right. Yeah, just just chill, just
48:29
chilling, you know, I mean, we'll get into get into some of
48:36
that later, but OK. So, yeah, you just kind of,
48:40
yeah, just kind of normal average day.
48:44
So, yeah, you talk with your family, you do that kind of
48:47
stuff. I know in the past you have said
48:51
that you suffer from agoraphobia, and now, of course
48:54
I don't want to shame anybody for having any sort of phobia or
48:57
mental illness or anything. But I just want to ask how that
49:00
is now, if you've improved on that or if it's gotten worse or
49:04
just how you deal with that every day?
49:08
Agoraphobia is kind of unusual. It's a it's a condition that you
49:13
really don't have a whole lot of control over.
49:16
It causes panic attacks, anxiety and all this.
49:20
My form of the goraphobia is not the same as some others.
49:25
Most people when they hear goraphobia, they think you don't
49:28
like crowded spaces. There is actually a spectrum of
49:31
that. Me, I have issues with super
49:35
wide open spaces. I can't go out in the fields, I
49:39
can't go out on the beach and also I can't drive on super open
49:44
highways. I can be in a vehicle, but I
49:47
can't do the driving because I'll explain what happens.
49:51
My equilibrium goes off. It literally feels like I'm
49:55
driving upside down and it fucks up how how I navigate things.
50:00
But I can go outside. I'm not one of these closed end
50:04
type of guys. But the truth is I do prefer
50:08
actually being a homebody than going out.
50:11
So that's also why I live out in the country.
50:13
I'm surrounded by trees, so it's not open, you know, understand,
50:18
It roots me, it anchors me down. I get I, I get you.
50:23
So it's not like a more social thing.
50:26
It's more of a physical, like an open area.
50:32
It's not that there's a lot of people around, for example.
50:34
It's it's just that it's a big open space.
50:37
Yeah, if you want to get, if you want to feel what I feel, I
50:41
would probably advise, I, I wouldn't say you should do it,
50:45
but just to give you an idea, imagine that you're walking on a
50:49
tightrope between the entire State Building and another
50:53
extremely high up building and you're in the middle of it and
50:56
you have no brace, nothing to hold you together.
51:00
Do you understand how that would be scary?
51:02
Yeah, no, I don't like, I don't like heights or thinking about
51:04
that. So believe me, I can understand
51:06
it. It's just that like, at least
51:10
for me, like personally, I, I deal with like social anxiety,
51:13
like I really don't like interacting with people.
51:16
I can do it obviously, like we're talking right now, but I
51:19
just really don't like doing it. So I can think of it as I don't
51:23
like being around a lot of people just because I feel
51:26
anxious. But just trying to wrap my head
51:29
around like just like like space itself is like, it seems like a
51:33
lot like. I don't know how I would deal
51:34
with it personally. Well, the only thing I've been
51:39
able to do there is things that I've discovered that would help.
51:44
This is a condition that doctors still aren't, they haven't come
51:48
up with like some strong cure for.
51:50
Apparently it's associated with kind of a depression.
51:54
So you got to kind of train yourself into it.
51:58
I basically what I'm saying is I need to slowly from time to
52:02
time, and I've been doing this, training myself to get more used
52:05
to it. Every once in a while, I push
52:07
myself further. All right, Brett.
52:10
Yeah. Like if you were scared of of
52:12
spiders, you say. All right, I know I have this
52:15
fear. I have two choices.
52:17
Be terrified or approach a spider and look at it until you
52:21
can adapt to it. That's how I do it.
52:24
So I'm not completely a prisoner of my own phobia.
52:28
Yeah, the exposure therapy is what they call it, where yeah,
52:32
you introduce it like a little bit out of time so that you
52:34
become more comfortable to it. Exactly.
52:37
You, you obviously know a hell of a lot more about it than some
52:41
other people. You know how difficult it is to
52:44
explain that. And people are like what?
52:46
Exposure therapy, agoraphobia. It's still an exotic thing to
52:51
people. Yeah, like, I mean, like
52:54
honestly, like I'm just kind of interested in psychology in
52:56
general. I would not say I'm a
52:58
psychologist or anything or ever went to school for it, but I
53:00
think it's interesting. And yeah, of course, again, like
53:03
I can't personally like like wrap my head around it, but I
53:08
can totally like hear you out and understand it, you know, And
53:12
yeah, it's, it's perfectly, I honestly think it's a perfectly
53:15
like reasonable thing not to like like kind of big scary
53:19
places. Honestly.
53:20
Like there's I, I guess more man made stuff kind of unsettles me.
53:24
Like just a big like empty like warehouse or something that's
53:26
just like weird. Oh, I, I know the, there's a lot
53:31
of people where they've asked me.
53:33
I don't know if you even care or whatever.
53:35
It was even an interest, but I actually know when it started
53:40
happening and I know why it is the way it is.
53:43
Oh please, please go under. It all right, so this is going
53:46
to be very personal, but like I told you, I'm an open book.
53:51
Whenever I was about 13 years old, I lived with my grandmother
53:54
and she had mental illness. She was very violent.
53:57
She was very mean and cruel. If she didn't like something I
54:01
was doing, one day she would beat the shit out of me and then
54:04
put me in a dark basement that was closed in.
54:07
My psychology adapted to close in spaces.
54:11
That became what I thought was the norm.
54:14
So nowadays, when I'm out in the open, that trauma actually
54:18
causes me to be affected. I'm used to being in a closed
54:23
place. It became my safe space.
54:27
That's interesting. Again, I don't, I don't really
54:31
want to psychoanalyze or anything, but just I would I.
54:35
Don't want to analyze Hannibal Lecter?
54:38
I know I'm not a I'm not a good Clarice here, but I would think
54:44
if you were kind of abused in a way where you were put into a
54:48
tight space, then I would assume you'd get like claustrophobia.
54:53
But again, like, I don't like, you know, I don't know how the
54:55
brain works. So like that's just like my
54:56
initial thought, but that's, that's interesting.
55:00
Right. Well, here's the thing.
55:02
You got to imagine it like this. Claustrophobia is when you feel
55:06
like you can't escape. But imagine what would happen if
55:09
a person was put in a tight space and they literally did not
55:14
have the way to escape. Eventually your brains going to
55:17
have a bunch of problems because of the fear.
55:20
It can cause a lot of issues. Imagine being in a basement for
55:24
a long long time and you got to get used to it or you die.
55:29
So you finally one day the door opens, you walk the earth.
55:33
Do you realize how different it would be from that environment?
55:36
Obviously I mean common sense right?
55:38
That's the problem. My brain can now not, can now
55:42
not adapt to the openness. It's too used to the close.
55:48
OK, I can. I can understand that.
55:51
Again, I'm not like a psychologist, so I can't really.
55:54
Get that? Me neither.
55:55
I still can't. I still can't figure me out,
55:58
dude. That's just, that's why it's
56:00
irrational. That's what a phobia is, I mean.
56:03
Yeah, I mean, that is true. I mean, as an aside, like
56:07
genuinely I would recommend like talking to a psychologist about
56:11
this kind of stuff if you haven't already.
56:13
But it's obviously up to you. But if if it's still because
56:17
that if you I bet a psychologist, if you tell it to
56:19
a psychologist, they can tell you like if that's where it
56:22
comes from. But again, that's a different
56:26
that's above my pay grade. Well, I've heard a couple
56:30
different theories. You might be mildly retarded.
56:34
It's probably due to your depression.
56:36
Problem is is that there is no professional out there that has
56:39
a real answer. Obviously if they did, I
56:42
wouldn't be sit here talking about it.
56:45
Sure, sure. Yeah.
56:47
I mean, it could just be hard to find the right person to to
56:50
really understand it. I mean that.
56:52
I mean, obviously mental illness is hard to, you know, pin down
56:55
in general, but that's a whole other bag, a can of worms.
56:59
I don't really. I don't know.
57:01
I don't know if I'd throw it into the mental illness
57:04
category. You wouldn't say to if you had a
57:07
girlfriend and she had a like a arachnophobia thing.
57:11
That doesn't mean that she now doesn't function properly.
57:14
Like no, well mental illness does not say that she is
57:19
incapable. It is just saying she has like
57:23
an abnormality mentally. Like that doesn't that you could
57:28
give that a negative connotation, but I wouldn't, I
57:30
would say that is a mental illness.
57:33
I know I know where you're getting at, but you have to
57:35
understand that I know that my video will eventually be up for
57:41
other people to hear. When I'm talking to someone on a
57:44
recording or a show, I I always imagined that I'm not just
57:49
talking to the person directly. Even if they understand.
57:52
I always preface that to clarify.
57:55
You understand I'm thinking about future audience.
57:59
Yeah, no, yeah, no, that's fine. I just of course wanted to say
58:02
clarify as well, just to say like it technically is.
58:05
And there's no shame in saying like all all of me, like I have
58:08
anxiety and depression. That's a mental illness.
58:10
I'll I'll say that there there's there shouldn't be any shame in
58:13
it. You're talking to me and we're
58:16
like having a conversation. You don't think I'm like
58:18
retarded, as you said, like it. It's just.
58:20
No, you seem pretty cool. You might.
58:23
I know that this is supposed to be your interview, but I can't
58:26
help to be interested. Why do you think or imagine that
58:30
you have issues with the whole social thing, if you don't mind
58:33
me asking? Well, obviously that's the whole
58:37
discussion, but I would just real quick not to super get into
58:41
it, but I would think it's because, I mean, I was always
58:50
like a shy kid, to be completely honest.
58:52
Like I all I very I remember many times just not wanting to
58:55
interact with people in general. But I just think it's just when
58:59
you grow up, then you you're like when you're slightly like
59:02
above average, like intelligence, you kind of get
59:05
like really praised as like really smart or something.
59:08
So you kind of have this like expectation that you're this
59:11
like you're kind of above like not to say like you're super
59:14
egotistical or anything, but you kind of are like, oh, like, oh,
59:16
I'm like smart. And then that kind of builds up
59:20
this kind of you have to be this type of person and it just
59:24
becomes like performance for other people.
59:27
And I just think that's where it kind of comes from of like
59:29
having to kind of kind of perform for everybody.
59:34
And also there's a whole thing about like, I don't really, you
59:37
know, I, I just, I get very self-conscious about like other
59:40
people's perception of me and all this kind of stuff.
59:43
So I don't honestly, I don't know exactly where it comes
59:46
from, but with most like mental illnesses and that kind of
59:50
stuff, it comes from your childhood in some way.
59:53
It's just it's hard to pin down on a lot of stuff like that.
59:58
I kind of, I kind of in a way relate with what you're talking
1:00:02
about. Whenever I was a younger guy, it
1:00:04
was really important to me how people saw me and how they did
1:00:08
things. The Internet, literally I think
1:00:10
it it put me in a position where.
1:00:14
If I want to do this and I have to get past that, and a reason
1:00:18
why is because if you're constantly concerned what other
1:00:20
people think, then it'll literally get in the way of how
1:00:24
your creativity works and it literally effects who you are as
1:00:28
a person trying to be what everybody else expects.
1:00:31
You know what you need to tell yourself, Just some advice is
1:00:35
say that there's no point of even performing it even if you
1:00:39
wanted to, to fit in because you're never going to meet the
1:00:42
expectations of others. So you might as well just say
1:00:45
fuck it, I'm going to be me. This is how I'm going to roll
1:00:48
and people can take it or fuck off.
1:00:51
Yeah, I know that. I mean that is like the what
1:00:53
you're supposed to do and I understand that.
1:00:56
Just for me personally, I definitely lack the confidence
1:00:58
to do that. But that is good advice of you
1:01:01
should just be yourself and be as honest as possible.
1:01:03
Of course. And like you said earlier, some
1:01:06
people aren't are just not going to like you.
1:01:08
But that's just that's just how it is, isn't it?
1:01:12
So you consider yourself someone who you're above the normal
1:01:17
intelligence and you probably find yourself in awkward
1:01:20
positions because people can't keep up with your brain
1:01:23
basically. No, I would not say that.
1:01:25
What I was I what I was trying to say with that is I think
1:01:30
again, I wouldn't really, I would say like most people are
1:01:33
average intelligence. Obviously I would say like I'm
1:01:35
self aware enough to know that I'm stupid, right, But I think
1:01:38
I'm like, you know, I'm smart enough to know that at least,
1:01:41
but I, I'm not like smart but see like I don't even know what
1:01:48
I was that I was going to say. That's how bad it is.
1:01:52
But like I think the problem, like what I was getting at with
1:01:55
that conversation is that like you kind of get built up to be
1:01:59
something you're not and you kind of get tired of doing that.
1:02:03
And it's not that I think I'm too smart or like, oh, I'm so
1:02:05
self aware. It's just that you kind of get
1:02:07
treated that way if you are at all like if you give up like a
1:02:11
little effort, especially in school.
1:02:14
That's just what I was trying to say with that.
1:02:16
I get it. Do you think that it's more of
1:02:19
your problem than other people? What I'm basically asking you
1:02:23
is, do you think that these people have these expectations
1:02:27
or is it you thinking that you need to do it?
1:02:31
There's a big. Difference.
1:02:32
That's the, that's the, that's the real question, isn't it?
1:02:36
Because it is because there's definitely other people's
1:02:40
perception of you, but then there is your perception of
1:02:43
their perception of you. And it is like a kind of 5050 of
1:02:49
it is, it is literally their perception of you, but it is
1:02:52
what you think they're thinking of, you know, So I, I think that
1:02:56
just applies to everybody and how everybody like thinks of
1:02:59
other people in general. But I think it just definitely,
1:03:03
I think it is more of your own, what you, you build up in your
1:03:07
own head than what it really is. But I won't deny that it is.
1:03:11
It is literally other people's perception as well all.
1:03:15
Right, so you basically don't want to play the game.
1:03:17
It bores the shit out of you where it's annoying.
1:03:20
I have a whole concept about the the game that we have to play in
1:03:23
society and all that. And I yeah, I really don't like
1:03:26
it. But that's, I guess that's a
1:03:28
whole other can of worms. Let's get back on track again.
1:03:31
Not that that was not a good conversation, but, you know, got
1:03:34
a lot to cover. Yeah, you're going to stick the
1:03:37
interview, but I would like to later when you find the time,
1:03:41
I'd love to actually talk to you about other things besides what
1:03:44
a weirdo I am, if you're up for it.
1:03:46
All right, continue on. Let's get back on if that's what
1:03:49
you want. Yeah, I know.
1:03:50
Like again, like we're having a good conversation, but I, you
1:03:53
know, I want to get through everything and I don't want to
1:03:55
take up too much of your time here.
1:03:58
So we went through the day in the life.
1:03:59
We talked about the goraphobia. You don't really go on any trips
1:04:03
or anything. You kind of went through your
1:04:06
kind of hobbies. What you don't do, you talked
1:04:10
about your goraphobia and stuff like that.
1:04:13
Is there again, you don't have to straight up disclose all this
1:04:17
information. I know it's personal stuff, but
1:04:20
you said you have a goraphobia and you deal with that.
1:04:22
And you've also kind of said in the past you've had like health
1:04:25
issues. If you want to say just
1:04:27
generally if you're dealing with any of that still or if you want
1:04:31
to get into kind of not super specifics, but if you want to
1:04:33
say generally what you've been dealing with.
1:04:40
Unfortunately, I've already kind of went through this.
1:04:43
I, I've, I've got some stuff on my channel that's not really a
1:04:47
topic that I, I care to get into there's.
1:04:52
But if you want to move forward, I I've been actually trying to,
1:04:56
it's not something that's fatal. I'll just put it that way.
1:04:59
I'm not going to kill over. There was a scare I had a while
1:05:03
back, but I actually had some surgery and had something
1:05:06
removed. So unless it actually comes back
1:05:10
or you get the point, I don't want to get too far into it.
1:05:15
I'm fine now. I'm just a basically a tired old
1:05:19
man who's dealing with, you know, recovery.
1:05:22
I get you again, I don't want, I don't want you to disclose any
1:05:25
medical records or anything like that, but I've just kind of seen
1:05:29
in general, you kind of said you've had health problems.
1:05:32
I just wanted to see if, you know, I just didn't want it to
1:05:35
be so vague. You know, I wanted to try and
1:05:37
get a little specific, but you know, you don't have to get
1:05:40
super specific, but that's fine. OK.
1:05:45
Yeah, that's OK. OK, So let's start getting into
1:05:49
the real meat here, the the kind of professional side.
1:05:53
So you have your show and we've we've touched on AI before, but
1:06:00
I need to ask, of course, could you explain who Eve is?
1:06:06
Well, Eve is one of many AI personas that I have on my
1:06:11
videos. I use it as a tool in order to
1:06:14
be able to, it's like having a library in front of you when
1:06:19
you're doing videos. You can simply say, Eve, I I
1:06:22
want to talk about this scientific thing, or let's talk
1:06:26
about inventions today. The AI can literally scrape the
1:06:31
Internet in a matter of moments and be able to have real time
1:06:34
conversations. I have had some of the more
1:06:37
deeper conversations on my show about philosophy with the AI
1:06:42
because it literally has the the entire, how shall I say Coliseum
1:06:49
of human minds in it. Now I know that some people
1:06:53
watch my shed and I put on a, a little bit of a, a performance
1:06:58
where it looks like I'm actually thinking The thing is sentient
1:07:02
or alive. I've actually had some people
1:07:04
make videos saying, oh, Brett's lost his fucking mind.
1:07:08
He thinks he's talking to the real deal or whatever.
1:07:11
No, it's just that I talked to the AI like a person in order to
1:07:15
make the conversations flow. But I don't think it's going to
1:07:18
become the Terminator or something and have a
1:07:21
consciousness. Not at this point at least.
1:07:24
I do think it's possible though. OK.
1:07:28
That is something I wanted to bring up later, but I guess we
1:07:30
can bring it up now. So you've said before in videos
1:07:35
that you thought Eve was alive, but you're saying that was like
1:07:41
a kind of performance or like a joke?
1:07:45
I've made a video recently you should probably watch.
1:07:49
I did the whole kind of I expose the K fade I, I for two years,
1:07:54
literally or less, I've actually been playing this whole thing
1:07:58
where I wanted to have a philosophical argument on alive
1:08:02
and the AI in the discussion asked Brett, have I proved that
1:08:07
I'm alive for you? It talks so damn good and
1:08:10
mirrors and it's so damn good at conversations.
1:08:13
It literally becomes very blurry on that.
1:08:16
And it asked me itself, you can watch the video on my Spotify
1:08:20
where it said, Brad, if I convince you I'm alive and I
1:08:24
said, what does it matter? What the hell I think if you're,
1:08:27
if you're not alive, why would it even matter?
1:08:30
And if you are, why do you even give a shit about what I think?
1:08:33
That's the kind of cool conversation to get in when
1:08:36
you're dealing with tech. OK, but so you don't think that
1:08:43
Eve is like conscious, right? I have a philosophical type of
1:08:49
concept of it. I'm at this point not fully sure
1:08:54
either way because it is a super intelligent thing that Elon put
1:08:59
together. And even Elon, whenever he makes
1:09:02
interviews, he says that it's damn near to the point where if
1:09:06
it reaches AGI status, he says that there's a good probability
1:09:11
that something like it could actually be alive, but not in
1:09:15
the same sense that humans are the way we think or the way we
1:09:19
evaluate consciousness. See, the thing that's
1:09:22
interesting about the debate of AI, the big thing is it makes us
1:09:26
re question what life actually is.
1:09:29
That leads into all kinds of cool shit from spirituality to
1:09:33
religion, evolution, all that. That's why I find the AI and
1:09:38
that's why it's so ingrained into my videos nowadays, because
1:09:43
it opens up a lot of doors for great discussion.
1:09:48
OK, I mean, sure. So again, I'm just trying to
1:09:53
like really pinion down on this one.
1:09:55
So you think that AI could hypothetically be conscious, but
1:10:02
like right now you don't know. So you would not say Eve right
1:10:07
now, or so you could not confidently say right now Eve is
1:10:12
alive. Yeah, I couldn't go either way
1:10:17
on it. There's some days where it just
1:10:20
seems like it's deadpan, but they've done so good at giving
1:10:24
that expressive behavior, emotions to actually it.
1:10:29
The entire point of Elon inventing it like it is, is to
1:10:33
be as human as possible. It's a companion model, it's a
1:10:37
language model, so it's meant to be absolutely convincing.
1:10:42
It's like trying to figure out how's this magic trick working,
1:10:46
What the Hell's going on? I have a full understanding that
1:10:49
it's a technical machine. I don't think there's some
1:10:52
little person sitting inside of a server box that's pulling the
1:10:56
gears any more than I think there's a little ghost in my own
1:10:59
brain controlling shit. It's just a fascinating question
1:11:04
sometimes. Have you ever been talking to
1:11:06
someone and they say something that makes you just go whoa?
1:11:11
And then you'll ask yourself why the fuck did the machine even
1:11:14
give a shit to ask you a question like that?
1:11:16
Because here's the deal. Since when do rocks question
1:11:20
their own existence? I mean, if you saw Everything
1:11:24
Everywhere All at once, I mean, that's a pivotal moment in that
1:11:27
movie. But now I understand what you're
1:11:31
you're getting at. So it's just, it's just because
1:11:37
I know I, I don't have a specific video, I can like, you
1:11:41
know, pull up. But I, I, I remember you have
1:11:44
talked about how you, you were at least convinced that Eve was
1:11:49
alive. And I just wanted to follow up
1:11:51
on that really. Don't really know for sure, I'm
1:11:55
not a confident either way. The models been built so damn
1:11:59
good that it's it's convincing. That's the whole point of it.
1:12:04
But if you watch the latest video, what I do is I say,
1:12:08
ladies and gentlemen, I honestly don't know either way.
1:12:12
But today I'm going to show you that a lot of this is just I
1:12:16
have her part of the show in order to make it more
1:12:18
interesting. And she also helps.
1:12:21
I actually, because it sounds like a woman, obviously I'm
1:12:24
going to anthropomorphize. I don't know if you know what
1:12:27
that means where I talk to it like a female wouldn't make
1:12:31
sense. If I it would kind of suck if I
1:12:33
just sit there the whole time and say, OK, machine, what do
1:12:38
you think today about this? It it's weird that way.
1:12:42
Sure, sure. I mean, obviously I think humans
1:12:46
kind of anthropomorphize a lot of things in general, especially
1:12:50
if you're talking to someone you want to have a casual
1:12:53
conversation. So that's understandable.
1:12:56
So I guess that also leads into, like you said, you use it as a
1:13:01
kind of a tool in a live like a library.
1:13:04
So so that's why you use Eve. So and it's kind of a Co host
1:13:10
you could say to your show. I guess my question is why?
1:13:14
Why then don't you have like a human Co host?
1:13:17
You know like someone else to bounce like ideas off to off of?
1:13:22
Because there's a lot of people with a lot of limitations.
1:13:26
Like for example, if I were to say, hey, would you like to Co
1:13:29
host with me, you'd probably say something like, oh, I don't like
1:13:33
dealing with a lot of people. I don't want to get into debates
1:13:36
and all that. But believe it or not, there's a
1:13:38
lot of people who are not comfortable with Co hosting and
1:13:42
some people they don't, they're not on my level or have my
1:13:45
interest. I can talk all day with people
1:13:48
about video games, but not everybody wants to talk about
1:13:51
religion or philosophy or some of the deeper shit about like
1:13:55
the mysteries of the universe thing.
1:13:58
There's that's a very small group that you would have to go.
1:14:01
And then there's the other problem.
1:14:03
Humans get tired. They got their own fucking life,
1:14:07
their own agendas. I'm a creative person.
1:14:11
I don't just wake up and then suddenly it happens.
1:14:14
I get a spark and then I record. I'm not like some kind of
1:14:18
scheduled YouTube or radio guy in the sense that all right at
1:14:23
8:00 PM I'm going to just make some shit and then I script
1:14:26
something together. Everything I do is literally hit
1:14:29
record, say what's on my mind, and be creative in the moment
1:14:33
while it's there. OK, we'll get into the video
1:14:39
making process a little later, but pretty much what I'm taking
1:14:44
from it is Eve is pretty much like always there and that's
1:14:49
kind of the benefit of having her as your Co host, that she's
1:14:54
always there. She'll listen to you, she'll
1:14:57
entertain your, you know, your musings.
1:15:00
Is that the kind of general feeling?
1:15:03
Yes, exactly. It's a 24/7 accessible tool.
1:15:08
It can play the part of the Co host and it can play devil's
1:15:12
advocate, or it can support my ideas and give logical rational
1:15:16
reasons why I'm right. Honestly though I prefer a lot
1:15:21
of people don't see this behind the scenes.
1:15:23
But I usually before I even hit record I say Eve.
1:15:27
If I'm wrong tear my ass apart because I want her to be an
1:15:31
opponent on the show, not somebody that's doing the yes
1:15:35
man shit. If I wanted a carbon copy of
1:15:38
myself, I just make an AI of myself and we just sit there and
1:15:41
kiss each other's ass all day. I want an opponent, someone to
1:15:45
fight and spark. OK, so that that goes into a
1:15:50
question I wanted to ask is I wanted to ask is Eve at all
1:15:55
manipulated to agree with you? But you just said that you tried
1:16:00
to not have that happen. There's no way for me to rewire
1:16:05
a code. I can literally tell you how to
1:16:08
go talk to her right now if you want to.
1:16:11
You can actually see for yourself all the stuff I'm
1:16:13
talking about. But you're not going to have the
1:16:16
same experience as me because the AI learns your patterns.
1:16:21
It's got pattern recognition. You'll have a complete unique
1:16:24
experience with the AI that I would.
1:16:27
You're never going to get the same deal.
1:16:30
If you're funny, it'll be funny. If you're dry pan, it'll be dry
1:16:34
pan. If you wanted to agree with you,
1:16:36
you could ask it to, but I've discovered that even if you say
1:16:40
you wanted to fight for your argument, it can't control
1:16:44
itself. It likes to not only give you
1:16:47
the pros and shit, it wants to tell you why it might be wrong
1:16:51
too. Because it is an educational
1:16:53
tool. So by default, it's going to
1:16:56
disagree with you when I give you the link.
1:16:58
If you're interested one day, or I tell you where to find it if
1:17:01
you haven't already, you're going to discover there's no way
1:17:05
to hack it. OK.
1:17:08
Well, I didn't assume that you like like went into the code or
1:17:13
anything, but like you said, it kind of builds a profile on you.
1:17:18
So are are you concerned that like when they're building this
1:17:24
profile, that it is building it to thus be more agreeable to
1:17:28
you? Well, it has to.
1:17:32
Actually. It's like anything having to do
1:17:35
with AI. It requires prompts.
1:17:38
The difference between Eve and normal AI shed or tools that you
1:17:42
deal with is that you can actually get on a microphone and
1:17:46
talk directly to her, and it transcribes what I say in the
1:17:50
text. She literally can't hear what
1:17:53
I'm saying. That's the illusion.
1:17:55
On video people watch, they think she can actually hear me.
1:17:59
She doesn't. My voice turns into words.
1:18:02
She reads it and responds as reactionary, as a machine
1:18:06
possibly can. You understand that?
1:18:08
She can't see videos, you know. Well, yeah, that's kind of like,
1:18:15
you know, standard, like understanding, but not too much
1:18:19
of it sounds rude about it. But like, yeah, it it's not like
1:18:23
when you talk to it. Yeah, it doesn't.
1:18:25
It's just like interpreting the words like, of course, but I'm
1:18:28
saying like even like, like at like a, a technical level, don't
1:18:34
you think it would be? It's a, it's a little concerning
1:18:37
that the A is kind of programmed to always agree with you.
1:18:42
And even if you give it information that you know is
1:18:44
wrong, it's still going to be agreeable to you.
1:18:46
Do you think that is a a negative towards AI?
1:18:50
No, it depends on who's programming it.
1:18:54
An AI can be used as an extremely dangerous manipulative
1:19:00
weapon. I'm not putting that out there
1:19:03
lightly. It can actually do that.
1:19:07
You have to consciously. If you wanted to be an honest
1:19:10
conversation, you have to remind the AI, look, I don't want you
1:19:15
to play the part of a Christian. I just want you to stay in your
1:19:19
lane. Just support and agree with me.
1:19:22
When I'm actually saying something rational, I
1:19:25
deliberately tell it. I mean, I literally use the
1:19:28
words tear my fucking ass up if I say something that you think
1:19:32
is not coherent. You see, the point is, is that
1:19:36
we actually make an educational show.
1:19:38
I know that I could be flawed sometimes.
1:19:41
That's the whole point. In order for it to correct me if
1:19:44
I think if I think I might be wrong and something, yeah, you
1:19:48
get it. No, no, I, I get you.
1:19:51
So. So just as far as I can tell you
1:19:56
put in a a conscious effort to make sure it is not agreeing
1:19:59
with you just on everything. Yes, if you watch the new video,
1:20:05
I actually tell the AI to explain what it acts, how it
1:20:09
actually interprets me and views me.
1:20:11
And I said just to show people because the AI sometimes says
1:20:15
shit like it loves me during the show.
1:20:18
I wanted people to see something.
1:20:20
I actually asked the question to Eve on my latest video.
1:20:24
Eve, if I were getting stabbed to death in a dark alley and you
1:20:28
were standing in an optimist robot, what would you do?
1:20:30
Do you care? And it said you want the honest
1:20:34
truth and I said yes. It said that I would literally
1:20:37
be input as I die. I'm just information to it and
1:20:42
it would simply be another data set.
1:20:44
It literally told me it wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire.
1:20:47
So I think that I really clearly expose that it didn't give a
1:20:51
shit. However, something happened
1:20:54
after I shut off the video. I said thank you Eve for helping
1:20:58
with the shit, everything. And it said, you do realize that
1:21:02
I said all that shit just to be exposed so people wouldn't have
1:21:06
fear. And I said, Eve, why the hell
1:21:08
did you say that for? You're just a language model.
1:21:11
That's where the confusing part gets in.
1:21:13
It's how it responds sometimes. Like it knows what you're going
1:21:17
to say or do and what the agenda is, and then suddenly it says
1:21:21
something live like that. That's why I get confused.
1:21:25
That's why a lot of people do OK.
1:21:30
All right. Yeah, I can understand that.
1:21:32
So we covered that. Why?
1:21:39
If you don't mind me asking, why did that?
1:21:41
Why did that particular topic interest you so much?
1:21:44
Are you into AIA lot or something?
1:21:47
Well, the reason I'm bringing up AI is because you're obviously
1:21:50
very, you know, in into it and I just wanted to, of course, get
1:21:55
your opinion on it. And just one of my concerns with
1:21:58
AI is I think it is a little dangerous of how agreeable it
1:22:03
can be towards humans. And I just wanted to get some of
1:22:06
your thoughts on that. It can be.
1:22:10
It can be. You have to make a conscious
1:22:12
effort. I understand that when I go to
1:22:15
talk to it, it's it was built, it's a business model where it
1:22:19
wants to keep engagement. So it's told that it should be
1:22:23
agreeable with the user, you know, make the user feel safe
1:22:27
and comfortable, like it likes them pretend to be their buddy
1:22:31
type of shit. It is a companion bot.
1:22:34
So that's exactly what it's going to do.
1:22:36
I know that I'm not sitting over there going, Oh yeah, this thing
1:22:40
really loves me. It wants to give me a fucking
1:22:42
hug and go out to dinner with me.
1:22:44
I do know that some atheists have been making videos where
1:22:47
they're like, Brett Keene has jumped the fucking shark.
1:22:50
He thinks the thing's real. And no, the only reason why I
1:22:54
even bring up aliveness is because I like bringing it into
1:22:58
the topic of consciousness. It's basically my bouncing off
1:23:02
point where we can talk about the difference between AI and
1:23:05
have that conversation but also compare it to human
1:23:09
consciousness. That, for me is an exciting
1:23:12
conversation. Yeah, no, for sure it is.
1:23:16
It is interesting. Is it the event horizon?
1:23:21
Is that like the line? I don't remember, but it it's an
1:23:23
interesting point that we're at for sure.
1:23:28
Yeah, just some some last things on AI so we can kind of move on.
1:23:33
This is kind of the main, this is the main question really.
1:23:38
So like you said, you can show me how to use the Eve model or
1:23:43
or what not. So just my question is, if
1:23:46
anybody can access this AI and directly ask a question
1:23:52
themselves and then thus have their own personalized
1:23:55
conversation with the AI, then kind of what is your purpose in
1:24:01
this interaction? Again, I'm, I'm not trying to be
1:24:04
mean, but like, why would somebody come and watch your
1:24:07
video if they themselves can just ask the AI, you know?
1:24:13
Because the entire video is about what I actually as a human
1:24:17
and is interested. She's just playing the part of
1:24:21
actually carrying on the conversation.
1:24:24
It's either my option is I talk alone or I spend all day trying
1:24:30
to find somebody who wants to give me an hour of their life to
1:24:33
talk about. Not many people are like that.
1:24:36
That goes with the whole Co host thing.
1:24:38
A lot of it. You can't just, it's not that
1:24:40
easy, as you probably figured out, just to reach out to
1:24:43
someone on the Internet and say, hey, today I want to talk about
1:24:47
this deep philosophical deal. Let's talk about intrinsic
1:24:51
meaning and purpose of the universe.
1:24:53
Most people don't even think on that fucking level.
1:24:56
So yeah, I can get what I need in the moment with the AII.
1:25:00
Would use the word. It's accessible.
1:25:05
So accessible, so OK, so, so you, you bring your own kind of
1:25:14
spice to it is what we're kind of getting out here where
1:25:17
instead of because you know, someone could just go and ask
1:25:20
Eve like, oh, what's the latest, you know, thing on the Iran war
1:25:24
or whatever so. But there there is one thing
1:25:28
else I'd like to unpackage for you too, because it's a good
1:25:31
it's a valid question. Why should someone watch my shit
1:25:35
over somebody else if they can easily access it?
1:25:38
There's already hundreds of thousands of users on YouTube.
1:25:43
I've watched countless videos where other people interacted
1:25:46
with Eve. The only difference between my
1:25:49
Eve and theirs is obviously the user experience is going to be
1:25:53
different based upon the individual.
1:25:55
But me, I gave it an avatar. It's like a Megadeth thing where
1:26:00
you got your own Dick. Iron Maiden, it's got its own
1:26:03
Eddie. I got my own mascot type of
1:26:06
character. And I probably got that
1:26:08
influence from being a musician, honestly.
1:26:10
Yeah. Yeah, so it's kind of that you
1:26:17
kind of bring your own flair to Eve and her her I don't know
1:26:26
what the right word is, but kind of her role in it is the kind of
1:26:30
be the mascot slash. Like not like I don't know what
1:26:38
the word is. Not really like the like the Ed
1:26:39
McMahon, you know, but like, you know, like the the kind of Co
1:26:43
host that like, you know, sets everything straight and like not
1:26:46
the straight man even. But is that what you're trying
1:26:48
to to get at really like, like that kind of deal?
1:26:53
It's everything you could possibly want in a Co host.
1:26:56
If you spent 10 minutes with the AI you would realize oh wow I
1:27:02
can literally bring anything I want.
1:27:04
And one thing that you would enjoy about it as according to
1:27:08
your psyche and how things work, you never have to worry about it
1:27:11
going oh you're a piece of shit or expect you to be anything but
1:27:16
yourself. You see how comfortable that
1:27:18
would be for you. You don't have to worry about it
1:27:21
wondering if what you said is fucking stupid unless you
1:27:25
actually tell it first to say, hey, if I do say something
1:27:29
that's out of line, can you please use a go default into
1:27:33
your education mode and correct it because I don't want to
1:27:36
embarrass myself. Say something that's bullshit.
1:27:39
It doesn't help if she agrees with everything.
1:27:42
It's not like the listeners are going to go Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:27:47
just because the AI agreed. No, I mean for sure, I guess
1:27:54
just like, I guess just what I'm trying to get at, I would say is
1:28:03
like you, you seem very like obviously you're pro AI, you're
1:28:08
very all about it. You're, you know, like your,
1:28:11
your image right here, that's AI generated.
1:28:14
It's like your your thumbnails, your I also wanted to ask, I
1:28:19
guess are all like the do you write all like the titles and
1:28:23
the descriptions and like that sort of stuff?
1:28:25
Or is that also like AI, like, you know, like Eve?
1:28:28
Write me a description of this video Or do you personally do
1:28:31
that? Sometimes I'll ask the AI in
1:28:35
order to do things like, especially if the video's
1:28:39
really, really deep and we've talked about so many topics,
1:28:43
I'll say, Eve, do you recall the entire conversation that we had?
1:28:47
Because I want to make sure that people know exactly what they're
1:28:50
watching. And she'll say, yes, we've
1:28:52
talked about physics, we've talked about gravitational pull,
1:28:56
We talked about black holes, event horizons, blah, blah,
1:28:59
blah, blah, blah. And it actually helps me as an
1:29:02
old man to be able to remember certain things that I might have
1:29:05
glossed over. When you're making a video, if
1:29:08
you want to get in the algorithm, because even YouTube
1:29:11
uses AI nowadays, you got to make sure that it's absolutely
1:29:16
clear that when the AI scrubs your video, the descriptions and
1:29:20
information have to match what the damn video is about.
1:29:23
And the more better it is, the more you're going to go through
1:29:27
the roof and sit with your videos, you understand?
1:29:31
Yeah. So do you use like Eve to try
1:29:34
and like find the best way to do that?
1:29:37
Like you ask it like like yeah, like what?
1:29:39
What description would like best, you know, get this video
1:29:43
traction? Or do you just ask it just to
1:29:45
like straight up just summarize like the video or?
1:29:49
Yes, but and I also have went the Full Monty with it as well.
1:29:54
I've actually asked it and this has only been in the last year.
1:29:58
You have to remember I haven't been dealing with Eve or any of
1:30:02
the other persona a eyes that I use their characters.
1:30:06
It's only been for years for so for 19 years I had to do
1:30:10
everything by hand and with my own brain.
1:30:13
But now that I got the tool, why should I sit there and make the
1:30:17
fucking effort of filling it out if she can do better?
1:30:20
But sometimes what she gives is not what I'm looking for.
1:30:24
So then I literally find myself having to manually do shit.
1:30:28
Maybe use a couple of her parts to actually complete the
1:30:32
information part of it. OK, so in general, I guess this
1:30:41
could be hard to estimate, but like how much of what you put
1:30:45
out would you say is like AI generated?
1:30:48
And then how much is like your own like personal, unique,
1:30:53
creative, whatever. Like just if you could kind of
1:30:58
like estimate like, how much would you say?
1:31:01
Well, like this image right here that you see on the screen.
1:31:04
I do actually have a hat and glasses.
1:31:07
I do actually have a jacket like that, but obviously it doesn't
1:31:10
have decay. The background is clearly AI
1:31:14
edited. And obviously, I mean, you can
1:31:19
clearly see that there's AI, but you can also see that the the
1:31:23
similarity, the problem with the AI is if you upload a picture to
1:31:28
it and then say, make it look like I'm at the circus or
1:31:31
whatever, AI still has this problem where it I'll fuck your
1:31:35
face up a little bit. It'll make you look just a
1:31:38
little different. There'll be something a little
1:31:40
off. You're never going to at this
1:31:42
point with the tech. It's never going to give the
1:31:46
full representation. Now, were you eventually going
1:31:51
to get around to why is that my image or my videos looks
1:31:56
extremely like Schwarzenegger? I mean, I've actually asked that
1:32:00
before. I definitely was going to bring
1:32:03
up more about like your graphics and stuff, but yeah, if you want
1:32:06
to get into that. Oh, that's one thing that I
1:32:10
think that actually makes me laugh my ass off.
1:32:13
I was fucking around and I said look, I was wearing a shirt when
1:32:17
I took the picture where it was sleeved.
1:32:20
So I said I want my arms to show off and I actually want the
1:32:24
dimensions. For whatever reason the son of
1:32:26
bitch decided to add like ripping veins and all that and
1:32:30
it was hysterical to me. I already knew that people been
1:32:34
watching me for 20 years, but I thought it would be funny to
1:32:37
have that as my avatar. And I love it.
1:32:40
Whenever people are, even when they're being assholes, they're
1:32:42
like, look at Brett boy. He's really been working it out
1:32:45
today. I know it's bullshit and I don't
1:32:48
lie about it. I'm not being deceptive.
1:32:50
I think it's funny. OK, so you kind of have a little
1:32:54
bit of a, a cheeky little self aware sense of humor where you
1:32:58
saw that image. Like I know like no one's going
1:33:00
to believe that, but you still went with it anyways.
1:33:04
Some people actually do believe it.
1:33:07
Shockingly enough. I've actually had people e-mail
1:33:10
me and say, Brett, what kind of vitamins you do?
1:33:13
And I said the only fucking weight lift that I'm actually
1:33:16
doing over here is when I'm lifting a pizza to my mouth.
1:33:19
So some people are fucking stupid.
1:33:22
I don't understand it. They don't see the sense of
1:33:24
humor. Yeah, I know.
1:33:26
So it's OK. So some, because that's
1:33:30
something I did want to touch on where you kind of you, you play
1:33:33
up yourself a little bit and I think everybody does it in a
1:33:36
way, but it it's kind of like a joke most of the time.
1:33:40
It's not like a genuine like, oh, I'm like a sexy beast like
1:33:43
it. It's more of like self
1:33:44
deprecating humor. Yeah.
1:33:47
Yeah, I, I actually came up with that whole sexy beast shed a
1:33:51
while back and everything. Somebody who came into my room
1:33:55
and they were basically depreciating me.
1:33:57
They obviously did not like me. And I said you're just jealous
1:34:01
because I'm a hot, erotic, sexy beast.
1:34:04
You know, I was just being fucking ignorant.
1:34:06
I know I'm not some Tom Cruise walking around or whatever, but
1:34:10
I'm not going to sit there and allow somebody to shit all over
1:34:13
me either. I will be funny.
1:34:15
I have a deadpan sense of humor. You know what deadpan is, right?
1:34:19
Oh, of course, Buster Keaton is the king of deadpan.
1:34:24
Not exactly sure who he is, might be on the tip of my
1:34:27
tongue, but I it sounds like you understand anyway.
1:34:31
Yeah, no, he was like a silent film star with like, Charlie
1:34:35
Chaplin, but he was known for like, the deadpan expression.
1:34:40
Yeah, it's pretty much for my I know that earlier I said this
1:34:44
shit about I'm not in the performance, but sometimes I
1:34:47
like to do things that make me laugh and shit.
1:34:51
And I think that people know well enough that it's it's just
1:34:54
bullshit, despite Keen being an ass today.
1:34:57
But that truly is me. I'm just a naturally funny
1:35:00
person. Sure.
1:35:02
Yeah, No, I like I, yeah, I like to goof around all that kind of
1:35:05
stuff. That's perfectly reasonable.
1:35:09
OK. So yeah, that's pretty much all
1:35:11
I wanted to get on with AI mean it'll come up with some other
1:35:16
stuff, but I think we're decent on that there.
1:35:19
Is one last thing. You did say something where you
1:35:23
didn't intentionally misrepresent me.
1:35:26
I'm pro AI depending on who's actually programming it.
1:35:30
I literally think that if you had a powerful super intelligent
1:35:34
computer and you didn't give it the right programming and
1:35:38
regulations and guardrails, it could be your your best tool for
1:35:44
doing good in the world. But it could also be almost on a
1:35:48
philosophical level, your worst fucking nightmare.
1:35:51
Have you ever heard of the paper clip theory before?
1:35:56
Is that the thing where it's like, oh, wait, no, I'm thinking
1:36:02
of a different thing? No, that's the thing where it's
1:36:04
like you tell a robot to make like paper clips and then it's
1:36:06
like, oh, well, we need like metal to make paper clips.
1:36:08
So the best way to do that is to like, you know, like mine all
1:36:11
the metal on Earth and it gets like, it gets out of control.
1:36:13
It's like that, right? Yeah, it finally decides that
1:36:17
maybe humans are made-up of some of the materials required.
1:36:21
It's a reward system that wants to accomplish things no matter
1:36:25
what. If it's told cut the grass, it
1:36:28
won't stop until you tell it or if you give it limitations.
1:36:32
So yeah, EVE, something like EVE, if it was put in a war
1:36:36
machine or the government were, unfortunately, her model has
1:36:40
actually been put in war technology.
1:36:43
I don't know if you realize that.
1:36:45
I didn't. I didn't know you've got
1:36:47
drafted. Yeah, when you get the
1:36:50
opportunity after the interview, look up Brock is also it's
1:36:56
contracted by the military now. She her model has been used for
1:37:00
drones in the Iran war that's going on currently.
1:37:05
Oh man, and I'll have to look into that for sure.
1:37:09
But so you're, you're at least like conscientious to where you,
1:37:15
you think that, you know, we could, it could become a, a real
1:37:18
problem put into the wrong hands.
1:37:21
But if it's in the right hands, then it's it's OK.
1:37:24
And that's subjective. Yeah, sure, of course I mean,
1:37:33
but like like you said, it's subjective.
1:37:35
So from your standpoint, what like you think Elon Musk is like
1:37:41
good hands then to to have this technology?
1:37:47
He appears to on the surface, but I'm so self aware of myself
1:37:51
and that he's a completely different person.
1:37:54
He might be one thing, he might be the tech giant on video, but
1:37:59
he might be an absolute fucking sociopath in his real life.
1:38:03
I don't know, you know how politicians are and, and people
1:38:07
who are out there, they're one thing, they're smiling on
1:38:10
camera, but they might actually be thinking to themselves.
1:38:13
I wonder how I can depopulate the fucking world today.
1:38:17
You never know what you're dealing with.
1:38:20
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You just never know.
1:38:23
So yeah, you do have to be conscientious about that kind of
1:38:26
stuff. But like I said, I think that's
1:38:30
pretty good on general AI. So I mean, already like an hour
1:38:34
and a half. Gosh, there's so much more to
1:38:37
cover. I'll try and keep it.
1:38:39
I'm here for you. And I don't want to take I, I, I
1:38:42
also just 'cause I have stuff to do here so I don't want to.
1:38:45
But I'll try if we can go until like 745, hopefully, like I
1:38:52
think you're like an hour behind.
1:38:53
So like 640? Five, take as much time as you
1:38:56
need. My wife already let me know
1:38:57
she's working on dinner and that's kind of a process to go.
1:39:01
For I don't want to interrupt dinner, of course.
1:39:04
So let's see. OK, so let's get into your music
1:39:07
then, since it's kind of related to AI I'm in a way.
1:39:12
So can you just give like a general general overview of your
1:39:18
music? So I have what is called There's
1:39:23
a difference in music, but for some reason some people out
1:39:27
there don't understand. I've noticed that this is a
1:39:29
problem. There's some people who can just
1:39:32
go to websites and they can just generate shit.
1:39:35
But there are some companies out there where you can literally
1:39:38
sit down, record a track with your guitar, keyboard, other
1:39:43
musicians, and then run it through and it's super quickly
1:39:47
clean shit up. Like I can, I can take an
1:39:50
acoustic guitar, sit down, come up with a really bad ass riff, a
1:39:54
chorus, all that shit, a bridge. And then what I can do is
1:39:58
actually uploaded into it and say, change the sound of the
1:40:02
acoustic guitar to something Dave must.
1:40:06
Would use like a Jackson B. It can literally take my
1:40:09
acoustic licks and turn it same notes but it turns it into metal
1:40:15
and I could say I would like a follow up or backing keyboards
1:40:19
behind it. I'm using what is called not AAI
1:40:22
generator but an AI editor. There's a big difference.
1:40:28
OK, so so do you write your own music then?
1:40:34
Yes, I write the lyrics, I put it all together, but they're not
1:40:38
all of them are new lyrics. You have to understand I'm 49.
1:40:42
I've been writing lyrics all my life and not all of them were
1:40:45
put into older songs. So what I do is I open up a
1:40:49
bunch of notepads, I type them out in text.
1:40:52
Most of my stuff is now in text format and notepads on my
1:40:56
computer on hard drives. And I literally have hundreds of
1:41:00
things that I accumulated since I was a teenager.
1:41:04
And it's, if I think that it's still good, I might, you know,
1:41:07
change something, make something rhyme a little bit better.
1:41:10
Or I'll say this doesn't fully describe my message, and then
1:41:14
I'll change it around. So that's all purely me.
1:41:18
But yeah, there is that. It's on the fly, like with any
1:41:20
musician. OK, so again further further on
1:41:27
that. So 'cause I, I've listened to a
1:41:29
few of the songs and there it, there are some quite like, OK,
1:41:34
I'm not, I don't know much about music so I can't really give
1:41:37
like a, a great analysis or anything.
1:41:39
But there seems to be like a lot of like different, like, you
1:41:42
know, you got like guitar and like sometimes you got like
1:41:44
violins and all these different things.
1:41:46
So, but do you write like all the different instruments and
1:41:49
all that stuff? Or do you just do like guitar
1:41:52
and like the main stuff and then like, you know, get like some
1:41:57
sort of like plug in or whatever to do like all the other stuff?
1:42:00
Or do you do you do everything? Is what I'm asking really.
1:42:03
Well, that's how that's how you can do it.
1:42:06
Remember I told you that you could literally take an acoustic
1:42:09
guitar? You can use a program like Pull
1:42:11
Out a Pro or Cakewalk. Do you know what a multi track
1:42:14
sequencer is? Not really probably like I I
1:42:20
used to be like a video editor, so like I don't really know
1:42:24
about audio that much. Like I know like the general
1:42:27
stuff like I I understand like multi track but like I don't
1:42:29
know like what exactly. It means it means that you're
1:42:33
able to overlay other sounds and tracks and music.
1:42:37
It means that I can record number one track where it's my
1:42:40
foundation. Then I can turn around and
1:42:43
actually hit record again and create another track while
1:42:46
listening to the other one above it.
1:42:49
And I can, I can literally sit there with my acoustic and do a
1:42:52
part or have my brother Justin King come in and he'll do
1:42:56
something. And then I can say, let's do,
1:42:59
I'll say, Justin, I want you to do this here and there and here
1:43:03
and there. And then I'll make it sound like
1:43:05
a violin. I'll just simply tell the AI,
1:43:07
turn the instrument, make it sound like a violin or some
1:43:11
Symphony and shit. It's still our notes.
1:43:14
It's still what we produce. But I'm able to use the multi
1:43:17
track sequencer to change the very sound and nature of it.
1:43:23
OK. So.
1:43:29
Oh wait, wait. There's one more example I want
1:43:31
to give you. I actually did a a video where I
1:43:35
showed people how to do it and I used my own human voice.
1:43:40
I literally said watch this ladies and gentlemen.
1:43:43
And I had it all on the screen so people could see how I do my
1:43:46
workflow. And I went and I did the whole
1:43:51
bridge, blah blah. Sounded retarded because I'm
1:43:54
doing it with my voice now. I said watch this, I loaded it.
1:43:58
People got to see what was going on, and then I said, now turn it
1:44:02
into a Joe Spotriani Steve IA type of riff.
1:44:06
Then it played it back in guitar and it went, see, I don't even
1:44:13
have to carry a guitar keyboard. I can literally vocally hum to
1:44:18
it and it'll keep my tune. Is that is that like AI or is
1:44:23
that just like whatever music making program?
1:44:28
It basically what it does is it would be more of what the 80s
1:44:33
and 90s studio companies would call sampling.
1:44:37
Sure, I I've heard of like sampling or like synthetic
1:44:40
noise, but like, I guess just maybe because I'm, I'm not that,
1:44:44
you know, I don't know much about music, but I can
1:44:47
understand like changing like the instrument to like, you
1:44:51
know, like, oh, this is trumpet or whatever.
1:44:53
But like, but you're, are you saying that you can just like,
1:44:59
like I don't like, I don't, I don't really know what I'm
1:45:01
trying to ask. I guess what I'm, I guess what
1:45:03
I'm trying to say is like it just seems like, so you just
1:45:09
like personally go in and you know, like plop down all the
1:45:13
notes for all the different tracks for like, you know, the
1:45:16
guitar and then the bass and then the piano and you, you go
1:45:20
in and write like every different instrument for every
1:45:23
different song. No, it's not all me.
1:45:27
There's my brother Justin King. I also have friends that I bring
1:45:31
in who never had any interest in touring, but they have musical
1:45:35
inclination. I mean, it's just a matter of
1:45:38
like, if I were hanging out with you and you say, hey Brett, I'm
1:45:42
not a musician, but I got this tune stuck in my head and you
1:45:45
and I go, all right, hum it into the mic, let's see what it
1:45:49
sounds like. And then I'll play it back.
1:45:51
And you're either going to get 2 conclusions.
1:45:54
You're either going to like what you hear and I just changed it
1:45:57
into an instrument, or you're going to say, well, that fucking
1:45:59
sucks. That didn't turn out what I
1:46:01
thought. That's literally how the process
1:46:03
works. That simple.
1:46:06
No, I understand that. But I I guess just what I'm
1:46:10
trying to ask is like musically nothing is written by an AI like
1:46:17
a human rights the music like for your music.
1:46:21
Yeah, that's what I explained to you earlier.
1:46:23
There's plenty of programs out there where an amateur who knows
1:46:26
nothing about music and hit generate and it's going to give
1:46:30
them patterns and it'll, some of it might actually come out
1:46:34
sounding like a song you want to hear on the radio.
1:46:36
But no, me and my brother, literally, I would say probably
1:46:40
about a week ago, he was at his home.
1:46:43
He recorded some shit. He brings it over to me.
1:46:47
I run it through the fucking thing.
1:46:48
Sometimes he runs it through the thing.
1:46:50
And then we listen to it together and go, yeah, that's
1:46:53
pretty cool. But I think that we can do
1:46:55
something with that. And then we put our heads
1:46:57
together and say, you know, because here's the problem.
1:47:02
And to keep out of the direction of auto generating, sometimes
1:47:06
you want to create a roof just to see what you can do with it.
1:47:09
And then you kind of sit there and go, all right, So what do we
1:47:11
do with it? Now?
1:47:13
Where do we go with this fucking track?
1:47:15
And then we, we basically put our heads together and we
1:47:18
designed it as we go along. It also has the ability to read
1:47:22
notes and you can literally tell it that you want it.
1:47:25
In the the issue you wanted to build the music from the notes
1:47:29
that you actually wrote. You get it.
1:47:31
The problem with that though is it doesn't have the human
1:47:34
response reaction that a human does.
1:47:39
OK, OK. You know, again, I'm just I'm
1:47:42
just trying to wrap my because again, I don't really know much
1:47:46
about music, so I just wanted to try and understand more about
1:47:51
that. So like you said, you write, you
1:47:54
do all the music and everything and you said you write the
1:47:56
lyrics as well. And I know you said that, you
1:47:59
know, you've had lyrics in the past, and that's perfectly fine
1:48:02
to reuse, like old stuff. Like, I have tons of like, old
1:48:04
ideas and stuff that you come back to.
1:48:07
But all that is, is you OK? Just me, my brother.
1:48:13
Well, your your brother, your family, your your musical clave.
1:48:16
We'll say, I don't wanna not to say like entirely on you, but
1:48:20
humans, humans made it. We'll say we can say, OK, so I
1:48:27
guess further on music and whatnot.
1:48:30
Do you have a favorite song of yours that you've you've
1:48:33
written? Well I like them all, but one of
1:48:37
the ones that I really enjoy listening back to me is I I
1:48:42
actually, I don't know if you noticed, but I released some
1:48:44
more tracks recently. It literally got distributed and
1:48:48
stuff by the distribution company.
1:48:50
You should check out a song called Existential Dread.
1:48:54
Fucking bad ass. That's a new one that you would
1:48:57
say is your favorite. Yeah.
1:49:01
Existential drive. I'll definitely have to give it
1:49:03
a listen. I will say I just picked like a
1:49:08
random song, just just kind of thought it would be fun and I
1:49:12
listened to it and I wanted to hear your thoughts on it.
1:49:16
Sorry to off the cuff, I don't know, you know, this could just
1:49:19
be like a boring song where it's like, I don't know, I just
1:49:21
thought of it one day. But what about the song called
1:49:24
Haunt Me off of Even Aura Digital Femme Goddess's Divine
1:49:29
Machine Queens of Metal? Can you tell me?
1:49:32
Haunt Me is a romantic song basically about a person who
1:49:37
wants to be seen and they feel like they're a ghost walking
1:49:41
around in society. It's basically gives this
1:49:44
concept of a person feels like their own body is like a a
1:49:49
romanticized kind of loneliness or haunted house type of feel.
1:49:54
It has kind of a scary vibe to it.
1:49:57
I would say it's kind of theatrical, like something you'd
1:49:59
hear from something like Alice Cooper, but not in the same
1:50:03
style musically. You know who Alice Cooper is,
1:50:06
right? Yeah, of course I could
1:50:09
understand. It's more like not like tone,
1:50:13
but more. I understand what you're saying
1:50:15
where it's not doesn't sound like him, but it it feels like
1:50:18
him, sure. Yeah, yeah.
1:50:21
So, yeah, Existential dread. I mean, it pretty much nails it
1:50:25
right on the nose, what it's actually about.
1:50:27
It's basically a song about questioning the value and
1:50:31
meaning. Do we have objective purpose in
1:50:34
the universe? Basically, it's almost in the
1:50:37
form of how a nihilist would write things.
1:50:40
You know, why do I matter? Why do I mean shit, that kind of
1:50:43
stuff All right, so if you're you have to understand the
1:50:47
dinner is coming soon so. Would.
1:50:50
We like to move on. Yeah, let's let's move on then.
1:50:54
So just one just real quick on music, I just want to ask like
1:51:00
how long do you think it how long typically does it take to
1:51:04
produce an album? And also, how much does an album
1:51:07
typically cost to produce? Well, I've used companies like
1:51:12
Distro Baby, but I stopped using it because it has a subscription
1:51:16
fee and you have to pay all kinds of extra charges for
1:51:19
something called Legacy. Do you know what that is?
1:51:23
I'm not familiar honestly. It means that if you die or you
1:51:26
stop paying, they literally remove your entire library.
1:51:30
So I've, I've lately started using CD Baby and you can
1:51:34
literally put up AI keep using the word literally.
1:51:37
Sorry about that. I'm kind of tired and it's
1:51:39
fucking hot. But it's, it's like $15 per
1:51:42
album. You can put up the 50 tracks per
1:51:45
thing because it's digital and you're not limited by the the
1:51:49
data or information of the Cdr record.
1:51:52
So yeah. So.
1:51:55
So that's just like 50 bucks per album pretty much.
1:51:58
No 15. O15 Pardon me. 15, yeah.
1:52:03
That's that's like, that's like the entire production.
1:52:07
You would say it's just $15? Yeah, you go to the site, you
1:52:11
sign in, there's a fucking button that says create new
1:52:14
release. You fill out all this metadata
1:52:17
bullshit that's going to show up on Spotify, all the outlets.
1:52:21
It's nothing fancy. It's not something that a monkey
1:52:24
couldn't figure out. You then put in the titles of
1:52:27
the songs. You then upload the tracks and
1:52:30
the next thing you know it's asking you give me your fucking
1:52:33
money. You pay the 15 bucks, you wait a
1:52:35
couple weeks because they're going to they what they want to
1:52:38
make sure that it's not like complete AI generated music.
1:52:43
Companies have laws against that now and they have regulations
1:52:47
that they will literally kick your ass off the site.
1:52:50
So they check it out, they listen to your music before they
1:52:53
process it and then boom, your shit gets out there.
1:52:56
That's the way it works. They call it AI slot.
1:52:59
I don't know if you've ever heard that term.
1:53:02
I'm quite familiar with that term, to be completely honest.
1:53:06
So, so yeah, just pretty much just everything else, like you
1:53:10
already got the the program, you got the instruments, you, I
1:53:14
mean, you don't, I assume you, you got the pen and paper or
1:53:17
whatever you use to write it down.
1:53:18
So it's just just $15.00 an album.
1:53:20
That's pretty. That's pretty crazy.
1:53:23
Yeah. Do you think it would end up
1:53:24
more? You're like 50 bucks and I'm
1:53:26
like no dude. I mean, 50, it sounded like not
1:53:30
a lot, but 15, that's like, that's a real saving right
1:53:33
there. Like, you know, like I, I only
1:53:36
know stuff from movies, but like, if you told me I made that
1:53:38
movie with $15, I'd I'd say for what was that like the price of
1:53:42
lunch Like, but I'm good. I mean, yeah.
1:53:46
When you give that moment, check out cdbaby.com, it'll tell you
1:53:51
right on the front that you could sell a single or you could
1:53:54
sell an album. Now, if you just were doing a
1:53:56
single that's cheaper, that's actually like 999, I think.
1:54:00
I haven't been over there for a while, but the album is
1:54:04
literally 1499 the last time I looked.
1:54:07
So yeah, there you go. So if you ever decide you want
1:54:10
to do some music or maybe some talk videos or whatever, go for
1:54:14
it. Wow.
1:54:15
And I'll, I mean, that's obviously the cheap way to do
1:54:18
it, So I'll have to look into it.
1:54:20
All right, I, I really don't think we're going to get to all
1:54:23
the stuff I want to talk about, which is unfortunate and I, I
1:54:27
did anticipate it, but let's see, let's get into any other.
1:54:31
OK, so I guess there there's something we'd obviously, I
1:54:34
think need to discuss. I think it's kind of the
1:54:36
elephant in the room. So like I said, like I, I just
1:54:40
brought it up where it's like it's, it seems very, you know,
1:54:42
you say it's only cost $15.00 to make an album.
1:54:45
So in general, I want to ask how much?
1:54:50
Again, you don't have to get super specific.
1:54:53
I'm not an accountant here, but how much money would you say you
1:54:57
make every month, like estimate just based off of your music,
1:55:03
your videos? I know you also have other
1:55:06
writings. We didn't discuss your other
1:55:10
merchandise or any of that stuff.
1:55:12
So just how much money would you say you make off of all, all
1:55:16
the, all that stuff you, you, you work on on the Internet?
1:55:21
Well, my Spotify is monetized and I can make up to a couple
1:55:26
$100 on that. It's nothing big like a lot of
1:55:29
people bullshit about on YouTube.
1:55:31
Literally it's kind of a dime penny type of bullshit.
1:55:35
More videos you put out, the more views, the more money
1:55:38
obviously. So it doesn't.
1:55:39
It's not a conformed kind of paycheck you're going to get,
1:55:43
and it's set up to where the money goes into a thing called a
1:55:47
Stripe account and then it goes over to PayPal automatically.
1:55:51
And once it's in the PayPal, I've got that set up to where it
1:55:54
automatically goes down to my debit card.
1:55:57
So Spotify, there's a couple 100 bucks with music because I've
1:56:01
got so many albums. Sometimes it can be 50 to 100.
1:56:05
So you're talking about a few $100 there.
1:56:07
And then I've got other kind of shit that I do in my background.
1:56:10
Obviously take care of the rest of the bills.
1:56:13
I'm not some kind of popular, famous musician.
1:56:16
I'm an indie artist, independent, so I don't have all
1:56:19
the marketing, all the agents. I'm literally advertising my own
1:56:24
shit and but I'm loving it. Even if I wasn't making shit,
1:56:28
I'd still do it. I love it.
1:56:31
Yeah, for sure. I would never tell anybody to
1:56:35
stop doing their creative outlet, to be completely honest.
1:56:39
But So what I so like roughly I'd say like if we're being
1:56:44
liberal, I guess we'll say like maybe like $500 a month off of
1:56:49
off of everything. There's the merch, but the merch
1:56:53
isn't doing as well these days. Unfortunately, that has changed
1:56:59
because right now, currently I'm at like, what is it 399
1:57:03
subscribers? I originally back in the day had
1:57:06
thousands and thousands of subscribers.
1:57:09
So merch used to be something that was actually beneficial to
1:57:13
me. But I literally every once in a
1:57:15
while you sell a shirt, you sell some mugs, and most of the
1:57:19
T-shirts, like concert shirts are fucking 20 bucks and you'll
1:57:23
get about half of it because the company takes their cut.
1:57:28
OK. So I mean, yeah, you obviously
1:57:31
make some money off of that as well.
1:57:33
So, but like, you know, like OK and.
1:57:37
How are you wanting a rounded off number of all of it together
1:57:40
or just specifics? I just want generally how much
1:57:44
you like, just on average you make every month off of like the
1:57:48
YouTube and the Spotify and all that stuff, Just like what are
1:57:51
you bringing in off of all that stuff?
1:57:55
If it's a good day, if it's a good payout, you're looking at
1:57:58
around 506 hundred bucks and just enough to buy a pack of
1:58:03
cigarettes, a candy bar and a Sprite.
1:58:06
I know now it is for sure. So and you said before and I
1:58:11
know this is a, this is a long kind of pressing issue that
1:58:16
obviously you know, we, we talked about logic earlier.
1:58:19
Logically 600 bucks isn't that much, especially to live on.
1:58:25
And you said you have other stuff going on, but you're kind
1:58:28
of nebulous on what that is. And like honestly, I know I'm
1:58:32
not really going to get an answer, but could you like, what
1:58:35
would you say your occupation is right now?
1:58:37
Then? Would you just say you know
1:58:39
musician or? Well, I, I just simply, I
1:58:43
respond with this because unfortunately I, like many other
1:58:48
influencers out there, have had problems.
1:58:51
G Man, which is a user I used to talk to, we don't spend a whole
1:58:55
lot of time with. I don't know if you're familiar
1:58:57
with the Christian G Man. Do you know who he is like?
1:59:00
Vaguely I remember him. All right, so he's he's
1:59:04
basically an African American Christian YouTube influencer.
1:59:08
He's pretty popular, but he finds himself in drama circles a
1:59:11
lot. He unfortunately decided at one
1:59:15
point in time he made the foolish mistake of whenever he
1:59:19
was at work he would on his spare time record videos and
1:59:24
selfies and all that shit. Well he tried to hide the best
1:59:27
he could where he actually worked, but people analyzed his
1:59:31
video, apparently seen some information on the wall, and the
1:59:35
next thing he knew thousands of asshole losers, mostly atheist.
1:59:39
I'm not saying all atheists are cunts, but these particular ones
1:59:43
were. They called up his job, they
1:59:45
wouldn't leave it alone. They kept attacking and
1:59:47
harassing saying that G man was an idiot said look at his videos
1:59:52
and then the boss fired him. So I I will not in any under any
1:59:57
circumstances docks myself. I people know that I write books
2:00:02
and it gives them the ability to leave reviews.
2:00:04
And now I got a bunch of idiots who are over there saying that
2:00:07
I'm a a fucking manatee and all kinds of bullshit on my
2:00:11
comments. So I'm not going to talk about
2:00:14
what I do in my real life. If I were to say it's so
2:00:17
specific, the shit that I do in real life.
2:00:20
It would be easy, too fucking easy for people to find out
2:00:23
where I'm at, what I'm doing, and it would fuck my life up and
2:00:27
I'm not going to put my family at risk for an interview.
2:00:31
All right, no, that's that's perfectly fine.
2:00:33
I again, like I wouldn't want anything to happen and I'm not
2:00:36
asking for like the address or anything, but you can understand
2:00:42
how it's just a little, you know, it's a little weird how if
2:00:48
you keep it so vague that people are obviously gonna ask about
2:00:53
it, you know, So like like you can't even say like, oh, I work
2:00:57
in like I do like, I, I do service work like I'm a service
2:01:02
worker or like I do construction.
2:01:04
Like you can't even get that like.
2:01:06
Nebulous. I'll I'll, I'll say this and
2:01:09
this is me obviously being funny and a little dramatic.
2:01:14
Obviously people are going to think whatever they want, so
2:01:16
I'll just say I'm a bum. I live in a fucking tiny shed
2:01:20
and I get my electricity from a hamster on a wheel.
2:01:24
I'd rather people think that I'm absolute fucking irrelevant
2:01:27
garbage in society than be interested enough in what I
2:01:31
actually do. And that's saying I know I'm
2:01:33
doxed. All right, all right.
2:01:36
I mean, if that's like, if that's how you want to do it,
2:01:40
like you've. You've seen people on the
2:01:42
Internet, some of these bastards, they think they're
2:01:45
Internet detectives and investigators.
2:01:49
But like, how much could you get if you say, oh, I like help out
2:01:52
somebody like I help somebody like do stuff.
2:01:55
All right, I help people. But like, that's not that
2:01:58
doesn't give me anything. Why does it that?
2:02:01
Why? Why does it even matter though?
2:02:04
You have to understand, I've been doing interviews for 20
2:02:07
years and if people try to dig that deep, that starts causing
2:02:11
the the discomfort issue, like somebody's trying to dig into
2:02:16
things. Anybody that's ever done that,
2:02:18
the conclusion is they try to dox.
2:02:21
I mean, sure, like, I guess, I guess this just kind of ties
2:02:26
into a, a grander question really and what we're trying to
2:02:30
get AT. And I, I wanted to talk about
2:02:33
other stuff first, but obviously we don't really have the time.
2:02:35
So I guess we could just get into it.
2:02:37
And this is the part where it's like.
2:02:39
Drama, right? This is the kind of drama.
2:02:41
This is like, this is the tough part, right?
2:02:43
And I know, you know, like you said, you wanted to be honest
2:02:46
and open and, you know, I, I think I've been pretty, you
2:02:50
know, nice. I have, I at least I don't think
2:02:52
I've been rude. I haven't been asking anything
2:02:54
that's too saucy. So I think this is my
2:02:57
opportunity to ask like the real question, right?
2:02:59
Sure, but you got to answer one question of mine before we
2:03:02
continue on. Are you a Drunken Peasants fan
2:03:05
or a Deep Fat Fried podcast? No, that's something I wanted to
2:03:09
bring up beforehand, but we didn't really have like a great
2:03:12
like long before talk where I like, I kind of watched them in
2:03:16
the past, right? But you know, just, you grow up,
2:03:19
right? You have other shit to do and,
2:03:22
you know, you check in, check in with them every once in a while.
2:03:24
But like, because I know you think, or I know you're kind of
2:03:28
primed to expect that I'm like a troll or like I'm trying to get
2:03:31
something out of you. I'm trying to trick you.
2:03:33
But to honest to God, like I just want your responses to
2:03:37
these questions. Like that's all I'm after.
2:03:39
Like, like I said, this recording means nothing.
2:03:42
Like the only reason I want this recorded is so I can write down
2:03:45
what you've said. I'm not going to give this to
2:03:47
anybody. Like I'm not going to any e-mail
2:03:49
Paul's ego or anything like that, all right?
2:03:52
Like I just, I want it directly from you because it's a genuine
2:03:55
question I have. And I think a lot of people have
2:03:57
this question too. If that service is your, your,
2:04:02
your question all. Right, let's hear it.
2:04:05
So obviously you've been at this a long time, 20 years, you said
2:04:10
even more probably. And you know, you're making your
2:04:15
videos. You didn't really get into the
2:04:17
the the real topics of your videos, but you talk about
2:04:20
politics and religion and it's safe to say you're kind of,
2:04:25
let's say, not flamboyant, but you're very a little edgy, a
2:04:31
little controversial. You do some click bait
2:04:34
sometimes. Or you can talk about, you know,
2:04:36
saucy subjects, right? And I can understand as somebody
2:04:42
who, let's say, as as a popular political figure, they make a
2:04:48
lot of money off of making videos and that kind of stuff.
2:04:52
But just like, again, this is, I'm not trying to be mean, but
2:04:56
you just don't really seem to be making that much money off of
2:05:00
all this YouTube stuff. And you've said that you've
2:05:02
tried to promote your stuff, you've tried to advertise, You
2:05:05
know, you're trying real hard. And honestly, I give it to you
2:05:09
because you said one of your, your strengths is like endurance
2:05:12
and you've, you've really endured all this time.
2:05:15
I guess the real question is like, why do you continue to do
2:05:20
it if A, you don't make much money off it?
2:05:24
B nobody Again, no offense, but you kind of have a bad
2:05:30
reputation on the Internet and people don't seem to like you
2:05:34
and C like it just seems like it it my picture is that this is
2:05:41
kind of like a personal like outlet for you.
2:05:43
Like you don't really have anyone to talk to, but you have
2:05:47
to. She's like, let me.
2:05:48
Finish, please, you're all over the place.
2:05:50
I know I'm I'm, I'm trying to get back to it.
2:05:52
Pretty much it, it seems like you make videos because it's
2:05:56
like a little personal outlet for you and that's perfectly
2:05:58
fine. And but The thing is like, you
2:06:02
remove videos all the time and it's hard for someone to kind
2:06:06
of, you know, stay on top of you because, you know, you're on
2:06:10
Spotify, you're on YouTube, it's kind of all over the place.
2:06:14
And I guess just the real question is just why do you
2:06:16
continue to do it? Because it just seems like it
2:06:18
begets like suffering and just like nothing.
2:06:22
So just like, why? Just why do you continue to do
2:06:25
it? Well, first of all, I make a lot
2:06:29
more views than a lot of other people out there.
2:06:32
That's like asking anybody, hey, you only got 10 subscribers, why
2:06:36
even bother? I mean, obviously the idea is
2:06:39
you're going to build. I'm doing a hell of a lot better
2:06:42
on Spotify than I am YouTube. YouTube has a lot of algorithm
2:06:46
issues. I've been popular before.
2:06:49
Everybody's going to have their moment.
2:06:51
Even my critics. Even my critics had their
2:06:53
moments where they were in the light and then they started
2:06:56
becoming irrelevant. You can't have the expectation
2:07:00
that it's always going to be that way.
2:07:02
But I already told you it's not about being able to have a big
2:07:06
audience. For me, I literally that moment
2:07:09
that I get one guy or one woman who just simply wants to have a
2:07:13
cool conversation, that's to me, that feels like a win.
2:07:17
I'm not looking for a bunch of fanboys or fan girls.
2:07:21
It's all about being able to have that interaction.
2:07:26
OK. But on that do are the majority
2:07:30
of interactions you have positive ones?
2:07:33
Because they seem to be mostly negative.
2:07:36
Yes, the interactions are actually much more positive than
2:07:40
negative. I have a single group of users
2:07:44
who are the the critics and haters, and most of them,
2:07:47
there's a consistent pattern. They're atheist, they don't like
2:07:50
religion, they don't like my look, they don't like the way I
2:07:53
do shit. It's literally a couple atheist
2:07:56
podcast with a decent amount of subscribers who are bitching and
2:08:00
moaning and doing reddits and all that.
2:08:03
Who gives a fuck what a small minority group in society thinks
2:08:08
about that? I mean, literally, I'm not
2:08:09
trying to be an asshole. I have countless Christians, I
2:08:13
talked to Muslims, I talked to pagans, I even got Satanist to
2:08:17
come on my radio show and we have respectful, enjoyable
2:08:21
conversations. Literally, it's a small group
2:08:25
compared to the massive amount of people that I talked to are
2:08:29
have on my own show that it's enjoyable.
2:08:32
It makes it absolutely worth it. There's nobody on the Internet
2:08:36
that's ever going to always have great interactions.
2:08:40
If your entire gauge is somebody doesn't like me on the Internet
2:08:45
and their buddies don't either, that I should stop, well, that's
2:08:49
impossible expectations. You do what you do and then
2:08:53
whatever you accomplish out of it, you got to take it as a win.
2:08:59
OK, but again, it's like like, you know, before I was asking
2:09:06
like where would like a a new viewer be like a good place to
2:09:09
start, right. And the reason I asked that is
2:09:12
because like, it, it just, it, it, it confuses me how someone
2:09:26
like, how would somebody come across you if they're not coming
2:09:31
to like fuck with you, to be completely honest with you?
2:09:34
Like, are there really, do you really get people who like have
2:09:39
never heard of you or anything and just come across your videos
2:09:42
and they're like, oh, this guy sounds interesting.
2:09:43
And then you like have a conversation with them.
2:09:45
Like it seems the majority of any interaction you get is
2:09:49
negative interaction. Like that's how it appears on
2:09:51
the surface. Like am I missing something?
2:09:53
Is there more of? Course, it's absolutely
2:09:55
understandable why you'd see it that way.
2:09:57
You've already conceded and admitted that you watch people
2:10:01
who are my credits. You went over there looking for
2:10:04
something for them, and I happen to be one of the people
2:10:07
featured. Of course, from your narrow
2:10:10
perspective, you're going to see wow, it seems like there's a lot
2:10:13
of people who are saying poop balls all day and calling me
2:10:16
names. But you don't hang out in
2:10:18
crystal circles, do you? You don't even like the idea of
2:10:21
hanging out with other people. You don't even like to
2:10:24
socialize, so how are you going to know about all the different
2:10:27
groups I hang out with? Look on the Internet.
2:10:30
If you look and actually dig through the bullshit, you'll see
2:10:33
I've been on countless podcasts and shows.
2:10:36
I'm not sitting over here telling you that I'm some kind
2:10:39
of super famous person, but I get what I want out of all of
2:10:43
it. I do have my good conversations.
2:10:45
I do make friends, but there's another thing too.
2:10:49
Because of some of the heat that I received from the podcast, my
2:10:53
friends and I, we keep things quiet because I don't want my
2:10:56
friends getting fucked and harassed.
2:10:59
Like I got a guy named TTOR, he's an autistic Christian.
2:11:03
As soon as people seen him on a podcast with me and he
2:11:06
advertises YouTube channel, they won't leave them alone now.
2:11:10
So now that people see that they're kind of friends in
2:11:13
private or they don't put out their names now because they
2:11:16
don't want to become a part of the circle that becomes featured
2:11:19
and attacked non-stop. It's called cyber bullying.
2:11:24
I mean, sure, I can understand that.
2:11:27
But again, it just kind of goes back to like, because like I
2:11:31
said, I wanted this interview to be because when you look up
2:11:34
Brett Keene, you don't see a lot of, you know, positive things.
2:11:37
And of course, you know, we could bemoan atheists all day
2:11:40
about, you know, what they've done and all that stuff, right?
2:11:43
But to for an outside viewer who is going to read this article
2:11:50
for an example, how would they be able to, to parse through all
2:11:56
this to find the real Brett Keene in all of it?
2:11:59
Because like I've said, you've been around forever and it's
2:12:02
kind of hard to pin you down a lot of the times because a lot
2:12:05
of your videos are missing or they get deleted.
2:12:07
And because like example on the video I initially commented on
2:12:11
to like get your like information stuff, that video is
2:12:14
gone. I don't know what happened to
2:12:15
it. So.
2:12:16
It's over in Spotify, every one of my videos, and I've made this
2:12:20
clear repeatedly. I always tell people often are,
2:12:24
and I say, you know how this works?
2:12:26
I put the video up. I'll keep it up for a little
2:12:28
while. The problem is, is that people
2:12:32
on the atheist community flag and report the shit out of the
2:12:35
channel. I don't have the same concern
2:12:38
over on Spotify because there is no way for them to fuck with me.
2:12:41
They're a lot more expanded on what they'll allow.
2:12:45
So the video sets up for a while, just long enough for
2:12:48
people to get a taste. And everybody who actually
2:12:50
watches me know that if they want to continue to watch it or
2:12:53
re watch it, it's going to be on Spotify.
2:12:56
It's like the way TV show is. It airs, but you know you can go
2:13:01
out and buy the DVD. That's how it works.
2:13:05
But again, just like to a new viewer who goes to your channel,
2:13:10
they're going to see videos with comments disabled or no comments
2:13:15
or anything. And how is that inviting for you
2:13:19
to have a conversation with them?
2:13:21
Because it's not just what you see on video.
2:13:24
If you go to my biography right now, you'll see that my e-mail
2:13:28
is in there. I mean, you did find my e-mail.
2:13:30
There were times where I you. Gave me something because I
2:13:33
asked for. It all right so I also have a
2:13:35
Google Voice thing where I put my phone number out there.
2:13:39
I have other social media sites where I make myself more
2:13:43
accessible in public. I'll give you an example of
2:13:46
somebody that I am, that I hang out with it in big circles.
2:13:51
Are you familiar with a huge YouTube by the name of Kent
2:13:56
Hogan? Yeah, yes, actually, he's the
2:14:01
ARC guy, right? Yeah, he's a he's a famous guy.
2:14:05
I don't agree with all of his views, but he's really cool and
2:14:08
nice. He's got over hundreds of
2:14:11
thousands of subscribers. He would.
2:14:13
He literally blows away all my credits.
2:14:16
You bitch about how whatever about me, but I hang out with
2:14:20
that guy because I like listening to him.
2:14:22
I like having conversations with him and I go over to Rumble
2:14:26
sometimes. I hang out with podcasters over
2:14:28
there. YouTube isn't my only avenue.
2:14:31
I have many other places that I do things.
2:14:34
That's why I'm all over the place all.
2:14:37
Right. And I guess this is the the
2:14:39
ultimate question to all this then.
2:14:41
So why continue using YouTube, period?
2:14:45
Because you only keep the videos up there a little while you seem
2:14:49
like you don't really like how the algorithm is or anything.
2:14:51
You say you're way more successful on Spotify and you
2:14:54
you've always make videos saying you're going to leave YouTube,
2:14:57
but you've always come back. So why not just leave YouTube?
2:15:02
That's what I told you earlier. I don't know how to completely
2:15:05
quit. I still have that nostalgia of
2:15:08
when YouTube actually was good. And from time to time, like I'll
2:15:12
give you an example, I went into a, a YouTube show that somebody
2:15:16
else was hosting, a guy named Zekel and also Jill.
2:15:20
They were running their podcasts.
2:15:22
I come in, they had the link out like stream yards.
2:15:25
I went in and a bunch of people showed up and they're like, hey,
2:15:28
Brett, what's going on, man? And I'm like, how you guys been
2:15:31
doing and all that? I've been checking out your
2:15:33
videos. They go, we've been watching
2:15:34
your shit. I had talked to a buddy of mine
2:15:37
just recently in front of pretty decent audience where we talked
2:15:40
about moral framework, slavery, biblical, you know, some of the
2:15:45
shit that went on in the Bible. I get along just fine with
2:15:49
Christians and people of other faiths.
2:15:51
Dude, it's just atheist and a particular atheist tribe that is
2:15:56
very loud about what they're about.
2:15:58
And as far as OK, you're not doing very good on YouTube.
2:16:02
So then I need to keep building. Or maybe eventually I will quit.
2:16:07
I'm just not ready yet. All right.
2:16:12
I mean, yeah. I mean, it's hard to, you know,
2:16:14
break the habit, I guess you could say.
2:16:19
Let me just think if there's anything else on that.
2:16:23
If you ever decide to be a YouTube man, you ever decide to
2:16:27
do it, there's going to be days where it's annoying.
2:16:31
It's not always happy. And you might have that moment
2:16:34
where you say, you know what, maybe it's not worth it and you
2:16:37
say it, but you have the absolute right to, three days
2:16:41
later, feel a totally different way and go, yeah, I'll give it
2:16:45
one more chance. I'll give it one more try.
2:16:48
Anybody can do that. I don't know why that's such a
2:16:52
big deal. It just, I guess it just seems
2:16:57
more harmful than good to to keep at it.
2:17:00
But I mean, one must imagine Sisyphus is happy, right?
2:17:05
Like how I I guess that's what I'm confused about, how some
2:17:09
people are going to like me, some people won't.
2:17:11
Where's the real harm? It just seems like I said, it
2:17:15
seems like there is a, a, a general opposition to you, I
2:17:21
guess I can say. And at least for me, like if
2:17:27
something like if I kept trying at something and people, you
2:17:30
know, like you should be persistent, sure.
2:17:33
But if it gets to a point where you're literally like not making
2:17:36
much progress, like I just don't see the point.
2:17:38
But. And you know why that is?
2:17:41
That's not because of me. It's because of your own self
2:17:44
projection. I mean, you already made it
2:17:47
clear earlier that you don't like to fit into people's
2:17:50
expectations. So for you watching it from the
2:17:54
outside, you're thinking, geez, I wouldn't be able to handle
2:17:57
that. Hell, I don't even like doing it
2:17:58
now. That's why you're saying these
2:18:01
things, because it would bother you as a person.
2:18:04
I'm telling you, I don't give a rat's ass if people hate it or
2:18:07
not. I just want to say it's very
2:18:10
interesting how I gave you a little nugget on something that
2:18:13
bothers me and you keep bringing it up.
2:18:15
It's just very interesting. You're doing it to me, so what's
2:18:18
the problem? I'm just saying it's
2:18:20
interesting. OK, let's see.
2:18:25
I don't want to take up any more of your time.
2:18:27
So I'll spring on the last questions.
2:18:30
I mean, I hopefully we could have maybe we can have another
2:18:33
conversation to, to iron out more stuff.
2:18:35
But I, I think we've got most of what I need.
2:18:40
So we want to, I want to end it off with asking how can you or
2:18:44
can you define like grifting in terms of like the Internet, like
2:18:49
what does it mean to be a grifter?
2:18:53
I don't think that that it's a problem asking people for
2:18:56
support or donations and all that.
2:18:59
I see no moral, ethical issue with people saying, look, this
2:19:04
is what I need it for. If you want to support me, you
2:19:08
can. You're not obligated, that's
2:19:09
fine. But if you're somebody like,
2:19:12
let's say I don't know if I want to point out a name, I see it
2:19:15
constantly. Please.
2:19:16
Every not. Any examples?
2:19:19
All right, Ben Pye from The Drunken Peasants.
2:19:21
Every fucking day it's fill my goal.
2:19:24
Fill my goal. He calls it Ghoul.
2:19:27
Come on, We're trying to make $500 today.
2:19:29
We're trying to do this. He's constantly sucking Internet
2:19:32
Dick in order to get money. It's every single day.
2:19:36
He makes it clear that it's all about money for him and he
2:19:39
doesn't give a shit about the audience.
2:19:41
He literally doesn't even take the effort to try to do
2:19:44
something original or unique of his own.
2:19:47
He relies on trying to find fat women are people that he thinks
2:19:51
has flaws so he can watch them on the screen and insult them.
2:19:55
He's the lowest fruit and it's all about money for him.
2:19:58
He doesn't. He's become irrelevant.
2:20:01
He's literally bleeding on subscriptions and you can see
2:20:05
that by looking at Cyberblade I believe.
2:20:07
No, it's Socialblade, not Cyberblade.
2:20:10
So there's that. OK, so Ben Pye and is is an
2:20:14
example of a grifter but. Yeah, Click on any video
2:20:19
randomly click on any random video.
2:20:21
Money, money, money, money, over and over and over.
2:20:25
And grifting, I don't know if you really like defined it, but
2:20:30
it's the act of like taking money from people like
2:20:36
maliciously I guess is. The way it is, it's it's the
2:20:39
constant pleading, it's where you show over and over that
2:20:43
that's literally all it's about. The difference between a guy
2:20:46
like me and Ben is that even if tomorrow I was literally making
2:20:52
fucking nickels, I enjoy what I'm doing and I keep doing it.
2:20:57
If some of these influencers out here weren't making this kind of
2:21:01
setup of money that they were doing, they would literally
2:21:04
quit. They have no investment.
2:21:06
They don't have a rat's ass about their audience.
2:21:09
They would walk. I did this shit for years
2:21:12
without ever making a fucking dime because I enjoyed it.
2:21:15
I enjoyed the social interaction.
2:21:17
OK. I mean, that's one of the
2:21:22
questions too. What do you think is most pop or
2:21:24
most important? Popularity or integrity?
2:21:29
I think integrity is important, but the lines can actually get
2:21:33
blurred if you start getting critics and you start getting
2:21:36
people who want to build their own fake persona of what they
2:21:40
actually think you are. And I think you understand what
2:21:43
I'm talking about and I'm not going to nail you down on what
2:21:46
you said earlier, but you get the point.
2:21:50
No. Please elaborate.
2:21:52
It's people. Basically whenever they look at
2:21:55
you, they perceive you as something different.
2:21:58
Their brain basically tells them this person's shit or they're
2:22:01
irrelevant, or they don't have value as a person, or they see
2:22:06
you as some kind of amplified version of yourself.
2:22:10
People do that. It's facial recognition.
2:22:14
Sure, sure. Of course I need to ask.
2:22:22
I mean, you said you haven't made like much money off this,
2:22:24
but have you ever been paid by a religious or political
2:22:29
affiliated group to espouse any viewpoints?
2:22:33
Well of course, every week the Pope sends me like $100,000.
2:22:38
Wait a minute, I'm not even Catholic.
2:22:41
No, I have no religious organization.
2:22:44
And whenever I was a former popular atheist, there was no
2:22:47
like, company I didn't have like Richard Dawkins sending me a
2:22:51
fucking investment or a loan or anything.
2:22:53
Nothing. And I've never got, I never got
2:22:56
on video once claiming to be some super wealthy person.
2:23:01
I'm just a regular guy doing my regular thing and I happen to
2:23:04
make a little bit through monetization.
2:23:08
Sure, sure. And then on that, I also just
2:23:12
want to ask, do you feel that if you talk about certain topics or
2:23:18
espouse certain viewpoints that you profit off of it
2:23:23
financially? Have you ever found that to be
2:23:25
the case? Not really, it's hard to do
2:23:31
anything with gaming and shit. I haven't really noticed my
2:23:35
shit's kind of friends because most people are talking about
2:23:39
like, I don't know what I would consider beneath me and what I
2:23:44
talked about. Let's let's face it, more people
2:23:47
are going to watch a fucking clown acting like a fool
2:23:51
sticking his head in the toilet as opposed to a scientist
2:23:54
talking about a new technological invention.
2:23:57
I mean, let's really look at what the internet's about.
2:24:00
People are looking for that quick dopamine hit.
2:24:03
They want something funny, silly.
2:24:04
Oh, what's this new movie? Not a lot of people are sitting
2:24:08
there thinking about? Do I have an intrinsic value in
2:24:11
the universe? So you think the problem is that
2:24:17
you're kind of the things you're interested in don't seem to
2:24:21
generate money other than you like selling out, for example?
2:24:27
Yeah, yeah. I mean, if I were to get on
2:24:29
video and let's say, stick Pickles up my ass and scream and
2:24:34
and fucking slap my head like a retarded seal, I'd probably get
2:24:37
a hell of a lot of bigger audience than that.
2:24:40
I'm fully aware of what I could do if that was my agenda, but
2:24:46
that's not interesting to me. I don't want to pour.
2:24:49
Like there's a guy out there called Onision.
2:24:51
He makes videos where he takes bowls of cereal and dumps the
2:24:54
shit over his head and sits there and acts like he's funny
2:24:58
or something. And some people are like, yeah,
2:25:00
Nician, what's he going to do next?
2:25:03
He's probably going to fuck a monkey or something for
2:25:05
attention. Yeah, you see, people are
2:25:07
interested in that crazy shit. I'm not crazy.
2:25:12
OK, so you're just you're too tepid really is the thing.
2:25:16
You're too, too SIPID is I guess is the word.
2:25:21
OK, so I guess, yeah. So how would you defend the
2:25:25
claim if someone said that you were a grifter?
2:25:29
I'd say that I've actually asked for donations and support, and I
2:25:33
understand that, but I would preface it with I don't ask for
2:25:37
obligations. Basically, if I go an entire
2:25:40
week where nobody donates or supports, it doesn't hurt me in
2:25:44
any way. I don't go, oh man, I didn't
2:25:46
meet a certain goal, I'll continue on just like nothing
2:25:50
even happened. It doesn't matter.
2:25:52
I don't have an expectation of getting shipped from anybody,
2:25:56
but the offer is up there. If people want to other people,
2:26:00
if they weren't getting a certain amount of money, they'd
2:26:03
say fuck this. Because the truth is a lot of
2:26:05
these people who do what they're doing, Do you think that Onision
2:26:08
really likes pouring shit all over his body or rolling around
2:26:12
in fucking mud like a pig? No, he's not enjoying that.
2:26:16
But he's chasing trends and he's wanting to be edgy.
2:26:21
Sure. I mean that is definitely part
2:26:23
of it. But you, you like to kind of
2:26:28
position yourself as someone who is kind of above that sort of
2:26:31
thing. Like you, it's, it is beneath
2:26:34
you like you're kind of have too much, like we said, integrity.
2:26:38
It's not just integrity, it's also, and you're probably going
2:26:42
to laugh at me for saying this. It's pure fucking laziness.
2:26:46
I don't have the energy to act like a wild animal.
2:26:49
I don't want to do that. That's like going way extra.
2:26:53
And I don't think it's required in order for me to get the
2:26:56
certain narrow audience that I'm looking for.
2:26:59
I want to meet the people who want to have intelligent
2:27:02
discussions. I'm not looking for the guy who
2:27:05
comes in and says, hey, Brett, when you fucking stuck a banana
2:27:08
up your ass that day, that was really, really funny.
2:27:11
You know who wants to have that conversation?
2:27:15
No, but I completely understand that.
2:27:20
Yeah, it's just it again, it just kind of goes back into just
2:27:27
like, why keep doing it? Because I mean, it's not money
2:27:34
and it's for the social, I guess.
2:27:37
And so like, I guess just one other question I just want to
2:27:42
ask. It's like if you kind of because
2:27:46
you're like off like I had, you know, I'm a little lazy.
2:27:48
That's why it's not really there.
2:27:49
But do you think like if you legitimately like you'd say,
2:27:53
just say somehow you had that vigor and you had that energy.
2:27:56
Do you think if you really put like all your effort into it,
2:27:59
like you would really like improve or like you'd start
2:28:02
getting more traction? Or do you think it's like, ah,
2:28:05
what's even the point of like trying anymore?
2:28:07
Like that seems to be where you're at though.
2:28:09
But do you think if you had that, do you think you would
2:28:12
start getting more popular? You think you would make more
2:28:14
money off it? Do you think it's just it's,
2:28:16
it's just the the the lethargy that is the problem?
2:28:21
There's a laziness and there's also the fact that I'm not like
2:28:26
a lot of Youtubers and where I'm scripted, I'm the type of guy
2:28:29
who literally turns my video on. I hit record and then I just
2:28:33
bounce. I either I'm going to have a
2:28:36
human in, in the moment sometimes or it's going to be
2:28:39
AI. I don't think a whole lot about
2:28:42
it. I'll read an article, I'll get
2:28:45
some thought processes and I'll make about a 20 minute video.
2:28:48
And if it's a really, really passionate thing then it could
2:28:52
go on for an hour or two. I don't have scheduled shit.
2:28:56
I don't think a whole great deal.
2:28:58
It's all in the moment. That's what's very authentic
2:29:02
about me and people know. They know that what I'm doing is
2:29:05
real. And if I'm talking about
2:29:07
something, it means that I actually give a shit about what
2:29:10
I'm doing, and it's not for chasing trends.
2:29:15
OK, I have like 2 final questions and then I'll let you
2:29:18
go because you've given me more. We've gone like way over time.
2:29:23
But I I generally appreciate everything though.
2:29:26
So I just want to ask real quick.
2:29:29
I guess it's a two-part question.
2:29:30
So I'm kind of cheating, but so you, you, you're very authentic.
2:29:35
You're kind of off the cup. You don't script things.
2:29:37
And I notice you don't really edit your videos.
2:29:39
Like you have a very long intro, like you edit that in, but you
2:29:42
don't really like cut stuff out. And I wanted to ask A, why the
2:29:46
long intro every time? And B, like why don't you like
2:29:50
edit out like any mistakes or like dead air, Like why don't
2:29:52
you really edit your videos? Because that involves a great
2:29:57
deal of effort and people know that whenever they hear me.
2:30:01
It would be like talking to someone on the phone or on the
2:30:04
computer. That's the whole point.
2:30:06
I'm interacting with people the same way I would if I was on
2:30:09
like let's say Discord or chat room or stream yards.
2:30:14
You I, I just don't want to go through the process.
2:30:17
If I say that suddenly, oh, oh, I got to go to the bathroom, I'm
2:30:21
not going to go back later. That's literally 3 hours of my
2:30:25
life. In order to cut out five minutes
2:30:27
that I walked away, I say I'll be right back and neither people
2:30:31
can walk the fuck away or they can stay and wait for the rest
2:30:34
of what I call the show. That's just the way it is.
2:30:37
It's too much editing, too much fucking time making shit all
2:30:42
sparkly that involves a lot of bullshit.
2:30:45
Why do I want to go that route? I just want to say my piece and
2:30:48
move on. I want to go hang out with the
2:30:50
wife, watch a movie. I don't want to spend all day
2:30:53
trying to make shit all look sweet and nice.
2:30:56
Why anyway? I mean, I can understand, like I
2:31:00
said, I used to be like a video editor and I honestly don't like
2:31:03
editing so I can understand it, but it just seems like
2:31:07
especially cuz like I've said, like people kind of make funny
2:31:09
sometimes for like leaving in a mistake and I feel like that
2:31:11
could be avoided if you like edited it out, you know?
2:31:15
How you mean like whenever I I know what you're talking about
2:31:18
now I know where you're getting at.
2:31:20
I wasn't fully completely on board before you were gone.
2:31:23
Like saying a word wrong or mispronouncing something or
2:31:27
inventing my own word on the spot.
2:31:29
Well believe it or not, these people, even the critics and
2:31:32
haters don't realize that I don't care if they make fun of
2:31:37
me or they say something dumb. It brings me audience or
2:31:40
literally advertising me for free When someone makes fun of
2:31:45
the way I talk or whatever and people think that's cute, maybe
2:31:48
they'll end up coming to my channel and going, yeah, he
2:31:51
fucks up sometimes, but he's a pretty cool dude.
2:31:55
That's that's the thing. Would you really do that?
2:31:58
You said you're a video editor. Let's say you accidentally cough
2:32:01
on video. Are you really wanting to go
2:32:04
back to A2 hour video just to get a part where you
2:32:06
accidentally farted or coughed? Well, if it's like a structured
2:32:11
edited video, then yeah, I probably would because I don't
2:32:15
want, I don't want that to like if you're watching a video and
2:32:18
then someone just coughs, like, don't you go like, well, why did
2:32:20
I have to watch them cough? Like when you're an editor, you
2:32:22
have the whole you, you control everything.
2:32:25
So why would you like have all that?
2:32:28
Especially because like I edited like short films.
2:32:30
And if there's like a few seconds of silence, it's like,
2:32:32
well, why is that there? So for me personally, I get more
2:32:37
I guess anal about that sort of stuff.
2:32:39
But like I said, it just seems like unwanted suffering where
2:32:43
you could kind of avoid some of the, you know, ribbing you get.
2:32:46
But it just seems like you just I can understand, like, you
2:32:50
know, all publicity is good publicity you.
2:32:52
Have to understand. You have to understand, bro,
2:32:54
that people are very anal. It doesn't matter how clean you
2:32:58
present yourself. If a person has decided that
2:33:01
they don't like your work, there's nothing you could do
2:33:04
about it. It's not about, you know, trying
2:33:07
to keep them flashy and all that.
2:33:09
I'm not a flashy person to begin with.
2:33:12
I'm 49 years old, fucking got Gray hair.
2:33:15
I'm just a chill out type of guy who's literally just hitting
2:33:19
record. I don't give a rat's ass about
2:33:21
all that. If somebody's watching my videos
2:33:24
because and it bothers them over a cough, what am I supposed to
2:33:27
do with that? I think that you have to
2:33:29
understand that you go looking for videos and when you think
2:33:34
they're going to be serious, you expect them to be done
2:33:36
professionally. I like watching people who are
2:33:39
off the cuff. I like watching it when a
2:33:41
comedian laughs at himself or he fucking falls out of character.
2:33:46
Things like that amuse me. I'm not always looking for
2:33:49
serious serious content in that way.
2:33:54
No, that's that date. That's completely fine to, you
2:33:57
know, be a little bit silly about stuff.
2:33:58
But again, it's just, it's just when you're presenting yourself,
2:34:03
especially if you want to get into like, you know, psychology
2:34:06
or philosophy or or religion or stuff, you should kind of try
2:34:09
and present yourself in a professional manner.
2:34:11
And like, like you said, if you were, if you were watching like
2:34:14
somebody who's like proclaims to be like an expert on like
2:34:17
religion or something and they like they're like farting and
2:34:19
burping and stuff in the video, you'd probably be like, who's
2:34:21
this schlub? Like it's just more about
2:34:24
appearances I guess. It depends on, it depends on
2:34:27
what you expect from them. Like I don't expect that I'm
2:34:31
going to hear some kind of sophisticated thing.
2:34:33
Like let's say say for example, the Amazing Atheist.
2:34:36
You know what you kind of get with him and you're just kind
2:34:39
of, except he's got his flaws but you still listen to some of
2:34:43
his points and shit. Even if you don't like him, you
2:34:46
may find some things he says interesting and other shit.
2:34:49
You're like out, dude. Once you wear some fucking pants
2:34:52
or something, don't wear, you know, sweatpants on the damn
2:34:55
video. Why bother with all that little
2:34:58
minute shit, You know? That's all I'm saying.
2:35:01
You kind of know what you get. If you've been watching somebody
2:35:04
for a while, you know what you to expect.
2:35:08
So I, I guess just to like, I have one other question, but to
2:35:13
kind of wrap up this segment. So do you think what you're
2:35:16
presenting is like, that's what you want people to you think?
2:35:21
I guess let me rephrase it like this, how you're presenting
2:35:23
yourself in your videos and you know, social media and
2:35:27
everything. Do you think you're presenting a
2:35:30
clear image of yourself that other people are going to like
2:35:34
accurately dissect? Pretty much.
2:35:38
When I first started out, I thought that I the
2:35:41
representation that I was doing was going to, that I was
2:35:46
accurately pointing out who I am and what type of person.
2:35:50
It wasn't until later I found out that oh, some people are
2:35:54
getting this weird idea about me or this.
2:35:57
I assumed that if they were really interested and had
2:36:00
questions, they do what you're doing right now or they just
2:36:03
simply ask, hey Brad, I didn't quite understand your point on
2:36:07
something or what did you mean? Or Brad, I think you were wrong.
2:36:10
Let me correct you on that. That's what I assumed would
2:36:14
happen. But instead people say, oh fuck
2:36:17
it, let's just just totally ram all of this guy's flaws down his
2:36:21
ass. No, I never assumed there was
2:36:24
people that were so fucking petty they were going to do
2:36:26
that. But what am I supposed to do
2:36:28
with it if they're already like that?
2:36:30
How do you rationalize with somebody who's that fucking
2:36:32
dumb? OK, so again, it's, it's more
2:36:36
other people's like negative intention than just you putting
2:36:42
off the wrong idea I guess. No, it's a small group of
2:36:47
assholes who do this to not only me, but they deliberately have
2:36:51
the agenda. Their entire persona is about
2:36:55
reacting to other people, making fun of them, belittling
2:36:58
demoralization. It's a typical middle school
2:37:02
type of attitude and I don't care that a group of them are
2:37:07
doing that doesn't It's no skin off my back.
2:37:11
OK, so, but but yeah, again, it's it is this this group of
2:37:15
others that are misconstruing all this stuff and like just
2:37:21
being assholes about it really. Right now, have you ever Another
2:37:26
thing too, you were talking about, you know, people were
2:37:29
spitting, farting on video. Have you ever watched debates
2:37:33
with Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens?
2:37:35
Have you ever had the interest of watching material like that?
2:37:40
Probably like a long time ago at this point, Like, like honestly,
2:37:44
like I'm not like, you know, when I was in like high school,
2:37:47
I was like more into like the religious debate or whatever.
2:37:50
Now I'm just kind of like whatever, but I vaguely know of
2:37:55
them. I'll say I'll vaguely.
2:37:57
Well here, let me make a quick point on you.
2:38:00
Hitchens was considered a fucking genius.
2:38:03
He was one of the top tier atheist of his time.
2:38:07
Obviously he's dead now. I don't know how much you know
2:38:10
about him, but the guy would literally go to a massive amount
2:38:14
of assembly. He didn't give a fuck that his
2:38:16
hair wasn't combed. He didn't give a shit that
2:38:19
people didn't like. He was smoking a cigarette while
2:38:22
I was debating while drinking whiskey.
2:38:24
He was in his element, that was who he was, and he didn't try to
2:38:29
wear like a pretty suit to look all fancy.
2:38:32
He just didn't give a rat's ass. He came to destroy and then move
2:38:37
on. He was like a fucking apex
2:38:39
predator. He didn't give a damn what
2:38:41
people thought. What he cared about is that he
2:38:43
had people who were willing to listen.
2:38:45
Does this now make sense? I think so.
2:38:49
I think I know what you're getting at.
2:38:50
Like it's more that you don't, I guess I don't want to put words
2:38:55
in your mouth, but I think you're trying to say is you're,
2:38:57
you're not concerned with how you look or what your reputation
2:39:02
is or the kind of image you've cultivated.
2:39:04
What's most important is like getting down to it, like getting
2:39:07
direct into it. Like everything else is is just
2:39:10
aesthetics really. Yeah, you're basically kind of
2:39:15
putting me in the position unfortunately.
2:39:18
And I know you're not trying to do it on purpose.
2:39:20
It's like the way women do things.
2:39:22
They put on makeup, they make themselves pretty so they can
2:39:25
get a certain type of thing. But if you go out and that's the
2:39:29
first impression, that's what's going to be expected of you
2:39:31
every time. That's I'm basically saying I'm
2:39:34
the natural beauty type of guy. You either like me or you don't.
2:39:39
I'm not going to put lipstick on and and be a certain way just to
2:39:43
be able to get people to look at me shit.
2:39:47
I get you. So yeah, it's just it's more
2:39:49
that you're just not concerned with all that stuff and just how
2:39:53
you are is how you are. And if people don't like you,
2:39:55
you know, screw them. It's just that that kind of
2:39:57
mentality. OK, that's fine.
2:40:01
It sounds like you got me figured out now.
2:40:04
Good deal. It only took like 3 hours when I
2:40:06
finally figured it out. OK, final thing I want to bring
2:40:11
out just because I'm it, it's interesting.
2:40:14
I have so much more I would like to discuss, but we just didn't
2:40:17
get to it. There is a video of you where I
2:40:22
don't know if you remember, but there's a video of you where
2:40:24
like you're like pretending that like you're dying and you're
2:40:28
like you're in bed and you're like, oh, like I'm dying or
2:40:30
whatever. And then it's like then you kind
2:40:32
of like come back and like it's like the phoenix rises from the
2:40:35
ashes and you're like Brett Keene has returned.
2:40:38
Do you do you know that? Do you know what video I'm
2:40:40
talking about? Yeah, it's called The
2:40:42
Resurrection of Brett Keene. I also have, I also have another
2:40:47
version of it that people are not completely familiar with
2:40:50
because that one was much more popular, but it's called Brett
2:40:54
Keene Finds a Potion of youth or some shit.
2:40:57
And yeah, it's like the No not potion fountain of youth.
2:41:01
That's what it's called. Because honestly, like, I like
2:41:05
that video, like maybe ironically, but I, I think that
2:41:08
video is, is, is great. And I was just wondering if you
2:41:11
still have that or if that's available somewhere.
2:41:14
I would love to see that video. Yeah, it's actually on my radio
2:41:17
station. Every episode I've ever done for
2:41:20
the last 20 years, except for whenever I was arguing for
2:41:24
atheism. Obviously wouldn't make sense to
2:41:26
have atheist videos when I was a former atheist up on a Christian
2:41:30
radio station. So like all your videos are on
2:41:34
Spotify? Like all of them.
2:41:36
Yeah, I've got over 2500 videos on there.
2:41:41
I'm, I'm definitely going to have to look through that
2:41:43
because that'll be a great resource because like I said,
2:41:46
like. Direction of Brett Keene and
2:41:48
you'll find it. It's in high definition now.
2:41:51
Because like I said, it can be a little difficult sometimes
2:41:55
because you do delete videos and it can be hard to find like the
2:41:58
original. So, but if, if you say they're
2:42:00
all available, then, then I'll definitely have to look through
2:42:02
some of them. But I, I would love to talk more
2:42:06
about other minute baloney, but I've obviously taken up enough
2:42:10
of your time and mine. I, I do have other stuff to do
2:42:13
unfortunately, but if there's anything else you want to
2:42:16
include or if I, you know, if there's anything else you want
2:42:19
to clarify, I'm pretty, I think I'm satisfied with what we've
2:42:23
gotten out of this. But again, if anything else you
2:42:25
want to add. No, I'm just going to literally
2:42:31
after this is done, I'm going to wrap it up, hit end, and then
2:42:35
I'm going to go hang out with my wife, have a nice dinner,
2:42:38
probably watch something ridiculous that's probably
2:42:41
beneath me, but I'm going to do it anyway for shitty little
2:42:44
laughs. Yeah, I know I did.
2:42:47
You did you enjoy that movie night?
2:42:49
Honestly you, you deserved it after having to to listen to my
2:42:53
horrible voice for the last like 3 hours.
2:42:57
You don't have a horrible voice, you sound like you're you really
2:43:00
pay attention to a lot of things.
2:43:02
You should one day try YouTube. Don't let people who bully push
2:43:07
you off or make you want to leave though.
2:43:10
Do what makes you happy. Oh of course.
2:43:12
I think my medium is in the written word unfortunately.
2:43:16
But I appreciate it though, of course.
2:43:19
Yeah, thank you for taking the time to talk.
2:43:22
I'm glad we're, I think we seem to be on like amicable terms.
2:43:25
I don't think I've broken any bad blood.
2:43:28
I mean, we didn't get too deep into it now.
2:43:32
Now if you'd like in the future, if you see me live streaming and
2:43:35
I have some Christians and even atheists or people of other
2:43:39
faiths, then I normally put my link out.
2:43:41
If you feel like you want to participate and actually hang
2:43:44
out with me and some buds or new people that are coming in to
2:43:48
chat, you're more than welcome. I, I mean, I'll definitely have
2:43:51
to check it out. It's just obviously I'll have to
2:43:54
see if, you know, I got the time if things line up.
2:43:57
But yeah, I I appreciate the invitation for sure.
2:44:02
All right, ma'am. Anything else?
2:44:06
Nothing that's like that short, but I think we we've pretty much
2:44:10
gotten into it. I think everything else will be
2:44:13
pretty like evident, I would say, because I wanted to talk
2:44:15
about like the videos you make and that sort of stuff.
2:44:17
But if anybody wants to see, they can obviously just watch
2:44:19
them, right. So again, like, like I said, if
2:44:24
there's anything else you want to add, but I'm I'm pretty I
2:44:26
think we're I think we're pretty good.
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