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Episode 6: Trevorsode (Music) · This is Not Art Therapy (The Podcast)

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Ooh, this is exciting. This is so exciting. Episode
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six, the Trevor -sode. Yeah, that's what we're
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calling it. Yeah, anybody who comes on as a guest
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is the new, it's their name plus the sode, so
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Trevor -sode. We have a guest on today's episode,
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and if you can't tell by my big giddy smile that
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none of you can see, I'm very excited about this.
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His name is Trevor. We mentioned him in episode
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one, but we don't have to talk about that. Trevor
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Lubin, talented musician. Welcome, Trevor. An
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honor and a privilege to be here, Linnea. Thank
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you for having me. Right on. Yeah, and I guess
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I'll introduce my co -host, Linnea, artist and
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also therapist and also good friend. So not my
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therapist. Yes, that's true. That would be bad.
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perhaps a conflict of interest here that wouldn't
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work that's what we go through yeah yeah that's
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why we're called the tina t tina t well then
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allow me to have the great privilege to introduce
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one of my oldest pals and great friends warrior
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world traveler among many other things under
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his title belt and now as i'm learning also artist
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john or josiah goodyear oh hey thanks that was
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good oh wow you're setting a new bar dude i know
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his voice is so good he's gonna take our jobs
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they're all trevor sodes now that's all you're
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in the trevor spear oh man just let it happen
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just let it happen it would be it would be indicative
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of our podcast to be like yeah we're an art podcast
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and our first guest is a artist but he's an artist
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in a different medium yeah so he's a very talented
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musician and as long as i've known trevor he's
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just been uh it's been such a big part of your
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personality like it's like almost it's defined
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you in certain ways it's like you're like trevor
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that guy who rips guitar my dad like the first
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time he saw trevor was like he looks like jimmy
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hendrix he should play guitar and i was like
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and then like trevor's like I do cheat. You know,
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he does play guitar, it turns out. Today's episode,
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we're going to be talking about music. We're
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going to be talking about Trevor. Who knows what
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else we're going to be talking about, but I'll
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quickly go over the art invitations. If you want
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to art around with us, we have three as per usual.
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The first one is called Life Soundtrack. Create
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a playlist or make something visual. What would
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be included in your life soundtrack? Also, sidebar.
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We are going to start building a playlist for
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our podcast and we're going to share one or two
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songs each episode. And we're going to share
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the playlist with you so you can jam along with
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us. Second art invitation is called Album Art
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for Your Inner World. Design an album cover that
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represents your inner world or current emotional
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landscape. And the last one is a music memory
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collage or just some art if you're less collage
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-y. Think of a memory tied to a specific song.
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Create a visual piece that expresses that moment.
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What you saw, felt, and smelt, etc. John made
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some really cool art that he has shared. with
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me beforehand so i can share that um big reveal
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trevor hasn't seen this yet um john do you feel
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cool talking about oh absolutely yeah beautiful
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work of art hey oh that that's the noise i wanted
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to hear perfect yeah i uh this is what this is
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a it's a screenshot from basically one of your
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uh from one of your many instagram posts about
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with you playing music and i just i love it you
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can kind of just tell he this guy's in the zone
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he's he's basically got all of his like title
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albums behind him like album covers album art
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so basically like i'm just it's a little bit
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more meta to throw in this is the new album art
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with on top oh yeah so with all of his guys i
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guess he's got what was it live blues and the
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uh tooth and nail i guess you got all the nails
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a bar in ottawa yeah I was going to say, I was
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so impressed with your versatility here. You
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actually captured the posters in my basement,
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among other things. Though I do not usually sit
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on a soapbox, but I love that addition, among
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other things. I didn't know what to do with your
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legs. There was no picture. So I just put soapbox
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because soapbox was cool. I didn't know what
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to do with your legs. I did. I'm just going to
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make this happen. If your legs aren't in the
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picture, that's up for fair game. Cool. Yeah.
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right on i love it yeah oh man you even got my
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old my old high school t -shirt okay i actually
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want to i would love to use this at some point
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john just for my own uh edification later on
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in life if nothing else that's awesome hell yeah
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feel free man i'll send it to you in the mail
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oh like the original yeah oh absolutely yeah
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yeah you can come on here i'll draw you i'll
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freaking draw you i would love for that to be
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a thing sure if we got a guest and they're cool
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with it and you're hearing this and you want
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to come on i'll draw you send me a pic john does
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great nude still lifes may i say just putting
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it out there that's great great at making stick
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figure art also trevor um we started this new
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thing i don't know if i talked about this last
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episode but john recently listened to it so he
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would know everyone who comes on the podcast
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is going to get a friendship bracelet and they
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look like this this black white and gold one
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here so trevor you'll get one in the mail john
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will get one in the mail as well okay awesome
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i'm getting gift bags exactly yeah we're bribing
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our guests it feels special i think is the term
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yeah yeah i i think so just to get this thing
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started is what what got you initially into music
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shower like what was your what was your biggest
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inspiration i guess or how did it start and what
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was an inspiration that you went from there a
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game yeah great question i've been thinking a
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lot about that especially now that i've been
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like among other things shifted from like Being
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a longtime student and now being like more of
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a mentor role or being hired for stuff like Blues
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Fest to go like work with like high school students
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or that thing. So I was just reflecting that
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sort of was my pathway as well. That sort of
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classic thing of like you don't really recognize
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the inherent sort of, I shouldn't say it like
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that. I always loved music as a kid, but like
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a lot of what I was playing at the time. So I
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like video game music just from games I loved
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or maybe from like movies I was watching or the
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occasional. And now we're really into data. ourselves
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like burnt cd that i got from friends but all
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the songs downloaded probably illegally but i'm
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not going to go into that that was the age of
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napster after all we all ruined our parents but
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no i would guess i was sort of yeah it was like
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a sort of high school thing or i felt like i
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got more into guitar because almost my brothers
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were both younger than me so got into instruments
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before i did drums guitar bass A lot of friends
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were all into it. So it almost seems like the
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social path there. And I still remember perhaps
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one of my grand eureka moments was in the high
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school cafeteria. And my old friend, I want to
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say Junior Levesque from high school. You remember
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him, John? Yeah. Yeah, he gave me just handed
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me some earbuds. I put them in. I believe the
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first song I had heard that, among other things,
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got me into heavy metal. It was Master of Puppets
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by Metallica. I just never heard anything like
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that before. And I just sort of loved it so much
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and wanted to play it. So that was, I know, a
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huge memory for me of what really got me sort
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of driven to the guitar as a discipline rather
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than just as a light interest. A lot of it, too,
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was actually someone I still play with now. Now,
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like almost, as he and I were reminiscing, almost
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20 years after we graduated high school. Oh,
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we're old. Yeah. Almost 20 years? No. Stop time.
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Oh, my God. Stop time. Time. Stop. That can't
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be real. That's not a real number. No, it wasn't
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20 years ago. Oh my God. Yeah, you're freaking
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right, dude. I should say, I'll clarify, 20 years
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since he and I started playing together because
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we were maybe 14 or 15. I remember he was like
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big into like Dave Matthews band and other jam
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bands. And that was like a huge part of it for
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me was just even getting good enough to be able
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to just like play with my friends and just sort
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of like jam or improvise in a live setting. That
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was sort of like a dark art that when I learned
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it, it just... felt so amazing to do so expressive
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to do and really like sort of forced us to show
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off our skills or learning or passion for it.
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Cause there's nothing like trying to play an
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interesting line or create some rhythm or harmony,
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just like live and improvised on the spot. So
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it's still like my favorite thing to do with
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friends when I get the chance. Yeah. I'd say
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it's like, it's, it's a special type of treat
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to hear you play. And like, I've always like,
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I've always loved like when I would come coming
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down from the army and coming back to. ottawa
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and just being like my friends playing in the
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band and it wasn't just like you weren't just
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like a side guy you were like the main guy when
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you're on stage you're just kicking it and people
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just it's got to be a special feeling when you
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are producing an art and you're getting immediate
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feedback on like dude you are fucking killing
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it right now and uh i think i just was like to
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watch a whole crowd sway and like me kind of
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hanging in the back rafters being like my boy's
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doing that right now he's making everybody yeah
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he's got everybody in this hypnotic rhythm and
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uh it just it's special you know like to see
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where you've gone come and gone from like just
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playing like in little church basements to like
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i know you went over to the uk and i'd love to
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hear about like just some more in depth on your
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uk tours and stuff like that yeah no it's the
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first of all i love what you said to me a point
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that i'd sort of didn't immediately come to mind
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but of course like i get you know the immediate
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feedback of playing live as compared to say a
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recording artist who has to sometimes sit on
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like a single for for years all the pre -production
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all the marketing or of course what you got do
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there's that sort of longer latency divide between
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like creating some great image or portrait or
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painting and then getting critics back or seeing
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sort of how people consume it whether in a gallery
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space or whether just now these days like on
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their phones or on their computer screens but
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sorry so getting back to the uk among other things
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when was this this must have been right before
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the pandemic i want to say 20 2018 or 2019, a
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local Ottawa group, Jessica Pearson and the East
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Wind. Shout out to them. Great country folk singers
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and songwriters, among other things. But they
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asked me to sort of join them on their UK tour
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through, I guess it was England and Ireland for
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about, I guess it was a three and a half week
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tour. But the first like week and a half, I want
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to say it was in the East Coast. And then we
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flew to the UK to sort of finish it off. So it
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was like my first time. traveling internationally
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since I was like three years old going to my
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family's homeland of st lucia so it was like
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just the total dream in a sense of music of like
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being able to go on tour have everything you
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know sort of paid for and essentially get like
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you know recruited to go on a musical adventure
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not only playing to like different audiences
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but also like experience well i should say not
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as foreign as some cultures not that different
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from my upbringing but still like such a beautiful
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experience to sort of meet people in a new country
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and especially to like see them at their best
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when they're really in love with someone the
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music were playing i mean it was a pleasure to
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be part of that group because they were just
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so good and so infectious and so groovy and they
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sang so well that people even so even me by proxy
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i got to uh touch a little bit of that prestige
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even not being quite as impressive a singer yeah
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oh my god what are you talking about listen to
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your voice don't talk about yourself yeah don't
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talk about yourself that way if somebody else
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talked to you like that i would punch them oh
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man that's a bad one but kind of funny so back
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back in the day trevor would come up and every
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once in a while things would go crazy and i would
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just basically be like i would never i'd never
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want to see trevor get hurt or in any sort of
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fight or altercation so i would also basically
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be like hey trevor i have this really expensive
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watch i need you to hold it it's like whatever
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happens this watch can't get damaged just you
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focus on the watch and i'll go do whatever we
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gotta do hold my watch hold my watch classic
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line amongst us too oh my gosh i love that line
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yeah yeah so but no i think getting to see you
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move guys in barracks guys who never really you
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know get to feel that kind of emotions of just
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basically being like enthused or really try and
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show it's like back in the barracks is like it's
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like it was kind of like frowned upon to be like
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showing off like oh man i really dig this like
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it's kind of saw as dorky but like trevor would
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just bring a guitar or somebody would have a
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guitar and he could just rip and people would
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just come down the hallway and be like what is
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going on so yeah just nice it's just cool to
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see so i still feel that was like for me such
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a looking back especially such like a privileged
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bit of perspective that i got like just going
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to like essentially live on base with you for
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like the weekends just like taking the time off
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for us to hang out no roommate being there and
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just being able to like hang with the guys on
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barracks as you guys did your like daily regimes
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or as you say me playing guitar me talking to
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this whole other world of like interesting and
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cool people I'm such was so glad among other
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things for that that insight and for our listeners
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who don't know or what Trevor looks like he has
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a very large afro and uh back in the day like
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it was very men were very tightly groomed in
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in the army and so guys didn't have beards dudes
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did not have hair like that everybody had a buzz
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cut so he just stuck out being a six foot what
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six foot five six foot four but i appreciate
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yes yes there you go six foot six foot four black
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man with a giant afro walking on a base where
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everybody is like not that not that not that
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at all so just a total enigma and a great human
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right um one thing that you kind of mentioned
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like art is usually a solitary thing visual arts
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but music is so shared like working in a band
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artists might not get that like collaborative
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live experience i can't even imagine what it
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would feel like to, you know, play synergetically
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with other humans? Like, does that feed you in
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your creative process? Oh, yeah, most definitely.
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It's something I definitely discovered about
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myself more and more, especially like during
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the sort of collective experience for us all
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of like the pandemic and being locked down and
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sort of figuring out what to do alone and denuded
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from our usual like social context. So for me,
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that was a big thing, realizing how much of like
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what motivated me for what to be my own. songwriting
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or playing or other things sometimes it's just
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not only having those you know dates on my calendar
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of gigs but being able to just like work with
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other people and be motivated by them i mean
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For me, a lot of my career thus far, I mean,
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it's been like a lot of different things of teaching
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or playing in different roles, but I'm often
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like, the term I like to use is like a companyist
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or sideman since I'm like a session player. So
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I usually get brought in for people's projects
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and like try and really help them deliver, at
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least in my small way on my instrument, like
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part of their vision, what they're hearing. So
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that was always such a collaborative process.
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And it always felt so good when you like, you
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know, got that smile from them when they said,
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oh, perfect, or some variation of, I love what
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you did there. It made the song all the better.
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Like there was nothing more rewarding than that.
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Getting that smile from the ornery drummer maybe
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that didn't always dole out particular compliments.
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But when I got that right little motif live,
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he gave me a little smile. I was like, yep, I'm
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doing just fine. I did it. Yeah. Oh, we love
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that. Yeah. The curtain nod is so important,
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I find. Just like that. you did it right son
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yeah slow not purse lips and just a nice tight
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like almost smile and just a like i remember
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my uncle used to do that to me if i was doing
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something right he'd be like oh sick and he wouldn't
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be like good job he wasn't a bit of a tougher
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figure but to get that like little okay like
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that it doesn't happen often but yeah i i get
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it it's the thousands of hours i've seen you
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put into into into your craft to basically get
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that one okay good job is like yeah it means
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the world that figure yeah yeah like my uh my
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my experience through doing art and getting the
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good jobs and things like that was it's i have
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basically just like my my top 10 ride or dies
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like whenever i post something they're always
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like like thumbs up and like the feedback's just
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so nice but To do something live and get that
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feedback has got to be awesome. I drew one time
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in front of somebody a portrait, and it was by
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accident. So what had happened was I was drawing
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in a mosque, and the imam was doing a sermon
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or whatever it is. I'm not sure. Sorry if I'm
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saying the wrong things. He was speaking. He
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was addressing people. and uh he was on tv and
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this dude like came in and he was being really
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loud and like just on his phone he was like an
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older gentleman and there and uh the camera guy
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like looked at me and i have had like quite a
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big beard at the time and i look and i turn i
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look at the guy and i'm like like just kind of
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give him the shh like the the finger to my lips
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and he's like and the camera guy gave me the
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nod and he saw like me writing what he thought
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was writing was he thought it was maybe like
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writing down the words of you know what this
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guy is saying and uh and then but i was cool
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because i was off to the side and not really
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in front of it and he basically was like hey
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come over here so he's like you like motions
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for me to come over and uh so i come over and
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uh he's like okay start what are you doing and
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i'm like i i draw and i like kind of showed him
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and he's just like oh keep drawing him i was
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like i'm not in the right spot anymore so i have
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to start drawing this guy from the side from
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memory and uh like i just and like he called
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over the other guy called over some more people
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to come watch me draw and i was just like i completely
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froze i've never i was like i'm like i've been
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fighting in arenas i've done a lot of other stuff
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like i've been in helicopters you do whatever
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i like to you know i i've been in some high intensity
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some pretty high intensity situations but i would
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say in that moment of uh drawing this iman in
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front of iman in front of a small crowd of people
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that got me shaking like i was like i don't know
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how to draw and i i left and i was like maybe
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i should like start this again or do something
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and I was like no I think it was perfect because
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he came by and he saw it and he looked at me
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like I was slow he's like this big man this can't
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be his drawing I'm like yeah that that's that's
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the best you got and he was just like and he
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kind of did the purse lips of the smile and being
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like good job with the eyebrows all raised up
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and he's like he's like just sign it and he did
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like the best smile he said something in Arabic
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and I just like okay and then I'm just like I'm
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gonna boogie out of this little and uh it was
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a although it was a wonderful experience that
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i actually returned there a couple times during
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my travels there so shout out to the blue mosque
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in uh iman jordan so amazing yeah um trevor what
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are you working on these days you had a show
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on friday which sounded really cool what else
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are you doing that was for me like a great little
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called the afro jazz series concert which was
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like such a treat for me because i got to play
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with some of like probably the best collection
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of musicians are definitely up there for me in
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my career so that's for me like often the the
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big draw especially that i've been doing this
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for as long as i have like i'm sure you guys
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know any as well for your various stuff like
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no matter how great sometimes whatever one industry
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or practice it can get staler as you get older
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and go through phrases you sort of want to shift
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up what you want in your career so the big thing
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for me is like wanting more and more to not just
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have like volume of playing a lot but like is
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playing with the right people among other things
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and sort of doing those really meaningful projects
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so that was a big one for me because it was sort
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of much more again about improvisation in the
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moment i mean it was uh one of those things where
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maybe some people would be surprised so of as
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like non -professionals on the scene just assuming
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how he might actually rehearse but like a lot
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of it is shall we say pretty loose even in the
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rehearsal so yeah there's a kind of like I mean
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I'm sort of reminded of what you were just saying
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in your own story of like a sort of there was
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a weird thing I found where I was definitely
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feeling more intense butterflies that I had in
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a while I think from a combination of not exactly
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knowing what would happen a combination of well
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just playing with people that I really like respect
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and hold in high regard so i don't want to be
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the one being like the weak link which i kind
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of love that feeling because i haven't had it
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in a while so it really lit a fire under me to
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sort of push it that's that's when you know you're
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in a good spot right when you are when you like
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it when you're the to put it to martial arts
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if you're the best guy in the room go to a new
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studio if you are the strongest guy in your gym
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go to a new gym if you're the best guy around
21:56
you're not you're not It's like you can learn
21:58
from teaching. And I found I've always learned
22:00
quite a bit from teaching. But every once in
22:03
a while, you need that spark to be around those
22:05
people. So those musicians must be very good
22:07
to make you feel as if you're not the best guy
22:10
in the room. That doesn't make you bad. That
22:12
doesn't make you bad at all. Like, I think that
22:15
that makes you like it's a good experience for
22:18
you to get in there and do shooting. The best
22:20
shooting I ever did in my life, like on a range.
22:24
uh i was the worst shot on the range which sounds
22:28
terrible but i was like i did a two inch grouping
22:30
but the guys who were with me were two special
22:33
forces guy and the army sergeant major yeah so
22:36
they were very very good and i was like so happy
22:40
with my grouping and i was like look at that
22:41
and they're like no no i'm like i'm like any
22:44
day i would show that to anyone and be like this
22:47
was amazing so like for you to get the experience
22:49
of getting into a room with other experienced
22:51
artists and like is it just raw talent or are
22:55
they older gentlemen who've had time to like
22:58
keep experiencing the board or is it like a mix
23:00
of the two to be honest i might be one of the
23:03
older ones they look like a young crew yeah from
23:06
the videos yeah most of them are essentially
23:08
my age or there's one the drummer was like you
23:11
know 21 years old but just like a young phenom
23:14
among other things that's cool but i mean i was
23:18
so reminded too of Again, as you were sort of
23:20
describing, that's all about who you surround
23:22
yourself with. A lot of it for me was, as you
23:24
said, the raw talent. And also they sort of could
23:27
all reference like a common songbook in the sense
23:30
that they were all sort of like gospel players.
23:32
They all came up in like the church. So they
23:34
were essentially like playing every Sunday since
23:37
they were kids. And like there were some things
23:39
that they would just like throw into songs naturally
23:42
that I heard. What is that? Like that's that
23:43
melody, that crazy melody. That wasn't in the
23:46
track. Like what are they referencing here? Just
23:48
because. They all know that common language so
23:52
well. Like if he calls out a little reference
23:53
to a song, they can all go into it where it's
23:55
like, guys, I've never heard this song before.
23:57
You need to give me a reference. So that was
23:59
definitely a playing catch up sort of thing.
24:03
How did you get connected with these people?
24:06
You know, it's a funny thing in that the pianist
24:09
who was like the sort of. band leader john depa
24:12
great sort of both jazz and classical pianist
24:16
up and come around the canada scene so shout
24:17
out to him but he and i actually grew up like
24:20
essentially not quite across the street but within
24:23
like uh i'll say like a 10 -15 minute walking
24:26
distance actually if you remember uh john my
24:29
brother's friend and ours by some extension dave
24:32
depa you might remember him from high school
24:34
so so john was like his older brother so that
24:37
was the connection he was like my essentially
24:40
my brother's friend's brother. So we just sort
24:43
of naturally connected, I guess because of the
24:45
music thing. They thought, well, these two got
24:46
older brothers still into music, whereas those
24:48
guys were into gaming and skateboarding by that
24:51
time. So that must have been how they connected
24:53
us. And strangely enough, he would come over
24:55
and play the drums. So I didn't actually know
24:58
he was such an amazing piano player until way
25:01
later because he was a killer drummer. And again.
25:03
As I started with that whole gospel scene, like
25:06
they all were playing different instruments growing
25:08
up. So I always knew him as like just this really
25:10
cool drummer that would come by and jam with
25:12
me and my friends. And then maybe years later,
25:15
I saw him just killing it on the scene. I'd always
25:17
wanted to work with him. And like he reached
25:19
out last year for our essentially first Afro
25:22
jazz concert. We've been working together ever
25:25
since. So I take it to be a great compliment
25:26
that I'm continuing to get the call. Nothing,
25:29
again, makes me feel more validated than that.
25:32
That's really cool. cool to be part of the afro
25:34
jazz scene and like it's when's the next one
25:37
going to be gone it's probably going to be what
25:39
seems to be like a yearly thing for us though
25:41
we're also hearing again light interest from
25:43
like even a few institutions in mexico so we
25:46
might even bring the act sort of self for next
25:49
year but that's still in the works but if not
25:52
then we're just going to continue to grow this
25:53
thing because i felt like we about doubled the
25:56
audience from last time so that's been like super
25:58
cool i've also found a few like bosom buddies
26:01
in the sense of like just fellow musicians on
26:04
the scene drummer and pianist that I've been
26:07
working a lot with, guys that I just really vibe
26:09
with and respect musically. So I've really found
26:11
my people, even to the point where, again, talking
26:15
about what you were referencing, John, of that
26:16
you've been in so many high -stress situations,
26:20
and yet when you're doing this new thing, it's
26:21
nerve -wracking. That's definitely the thing
26:24
for me in that I'm finally feeling like I need
26:26
to go from that purely sideman or company's thing
26:29
to putting out my own music and not just my instrumental
26:33
stuff, because that's... always been easy to
26:35
compose for me but like especially singing live
26:37
and doing it solo that's something where i've
26:40
actually noticed unless i'm like hosting an open
26:42
mic and that more sort of like collegiate host
26:45
role facilitating the moves and singing a few
26:47
songs if I'm like hosting my own show I've definitely
26:50
noticed like the nerves were the craziest I'd
26:52
ever had where I even had like finger shakes
26:54
I felt my voice sort of tightening up and of
26:57
course I'd done all this stuff before but something
26:59
about just not having that dilution of attention
27:01
across a full band just me by myself like that's
27:04
uh it feels like definitely a skill set that
27:08
I can do public speaking and other things but
27:10
something about doing it like that and sharing
27:11
that very like personal yeah that vulnerability
27:14
vulnerability i'm sure i'm sure that how you
27:18
guys must feel too is like solo artists and just
27:21
waiting to put it out in the world and then waiting
27:23
for reactions that was very much how i felt of
27:25
that that nerve -wracking thing of a brand new
27:28
role to show off the world i i believe if to
27:31
our viewers i think if there's something you're
27:34
feeling nervous about just go for it just do
27:36
it everything that i've done that has been cool
27:39
i've been nervous about yeah like it's you can
27:42
you can yeah just lean right into it do it go
27:45
through it it might turn out like crap it might
27:48
turn out amazing but trust me it's gonna be a
27:51
cool story either way so just freaking go for
27:54
it and like To be able to get over the nerves
27:57
and start up something like a podcast or like
28:00
the way that we've been doing, I think that it's
28:02
just, it's a wonderful experience and you only
28:05
get better from it. I think a life without that
28:09
is just not really lived well. You need to push
28:11
yourself into there, into these spaces. to our
28:14
listeners in Slovenia. We know there's nine of
28:19
you and we're stoked about it. And I think Linnea
28:23
actually, what was it? Ahoy. Ahoy. I could be
28:27
pronouncing it wrong because I don't speak the
28:30
language. It was Ahoy Komrat. Ahoy Komrat. Very
28:33
similar to Russian. from the tina t to you guys
28:36
yeah yeah shout out to slovenia nice you guys
28:40
are hella international then oh i know right
28:43
we're only five episodes deep and we got slovenia
28:47
on the map i'm stoked for it man like yeah we're
28:51
getting across those international waters um
28:53
trevor do you want to speak more to your creative
28:57
process you were talking about songwriting how
28:59
do you write a song Does it come to you? Do you
29:02
have to sit down and be like, I'm going to write
29:04
a song or secret third thing? Yeah. So because
29:07
for me, it's sort of multiple pathways, as you
29:09
say, the best for me, the funnest that usually
29:11
happens is like you're just. going about your
29:14
day and something emerges from the depths of
29:16
your consciousness, some little melody or tidbit
29:20
that you have to get out. Of course, sometimes
29:22
it is like you very intentionally sit down and
29:25
try for it. But yeah, the best for me is always
29:27
something is sevened up. But usually it's just
29:30
like quite a small chunk. So for me, like the
29:32
discipline comes in of like taking that pearl
29:36
and sitting down essentially using. my compositional
29:39
and arrangement skills to like actually write
29:42
something around it to extend it so usually like
29:44
the idea that starts there is strong but it can
29:46
take me weeks to sometimes like revise or second
29:50
guess things sort of experiment with it of course
29:53
even like being in the room with the musicians
29:55
is like a whole other editing process on top
29:57
of that when you bring other minds into it you
29:59
have an idea of it and you want to improve it
30:01
so you can't be both too married to how it is
30:05
at the moment because of course otherwise You're
30:08
just being inflexible in your initial idea, but
30:10
you also want to protect its integrity. Actually,
30:13
I was sort of thinking about this before I'd
30:15
come on about my own sort of history and that
30:17
stuff. Because again, just to reference the pandemic,
30:20
the great traumatic event for us all. But I remember
30:22
I got contacted by another great local Ontario
30:26
artist, Craig Cardiff. No way. Oh, you know Craig?
30:30
Oh, that's so rad. I met him in Toronto once.
30:34
But anyways. Yeah, an amazing like sweetheart
30:37
of a guy. And he was like also really like smart
30:39
entrepreneur. So he really sort of made the best
30:42
of that situation that he started like a company
30:44
and started hiring either musicians or administrators
30:48
to essentially like do a lot of remote lessons
30:50
or work with a lot of like high schools, whether
30:53
it be like beaming in just to like teach them
30:56
about the audio process or like helping them
30:58
song write. So I essentially. got to do my role
31:01
I almost think of it to reference like factory
31:03
farming or something else like factory composing
31:06
in a sense where he essentially by the end of
31:08
it had me sort of like composing essentially
31:11
like kids songs for like various albums and stuff
31:14
going out which was like such a great learning
31:16
experience for me because essentially from end
31:18
to end I had to I was given like the idea or
31:22
the germ of the song generated from, let's say,
31:24
a bunch of the students just brainstorming, and
31:26
I would essentially have an hour to go from being
31:28
given that song to essentially, or be given that
31:32
bare -bones idea of maybe a few lines or what
31:35
they're thinking, and then I would have to essentially
31:36
write a song out of it and record it within the
31:39
hour. So I'd have to write a bunch of lyrics
31:41
for it, record all the instruments or program
31:44
them in, essentially arrange everything around,
31:47
add my overdubs, overlays, etc. pump it out as
31:51
a finished product within essentially an hour
31:54
so I would do that every day of the week for
31:56
hours at a time so I really got to figure out
31:59
like a workflow a streamlining And just having
32:03
that sort of constraints. And of course, also
32:05
not doing it under your own name, because I'm
32:07
sure it's the same for you guys in the art world.
32:09
If you're working for somebody else on the deadline,
32:12
you can sort of have a certain distance from
32:13
it. Maybe easier to push that out and share it
32:16
with the world than if you're trying to sort
32:18
of push out your great artistic vision. So I
32:21
just wrote so many songs in such a short amount
32:23
of time. And I felt it was like just such a great
32:26
like learning opportunity that I wouldn't necessarily
32:28
have done nearly as intensely just under my own
32:30
self -motivation. But just getting paid to do
32:33
that professionally was like, yeah, such a great
32:35
sort of practice ground for later and really
32:37
improved me as a songwriter for speed. And just
32:41
for, of course, having like those maybe bag of
32:43
tricks that you could easily sort of sink into.
32:45
Because, of course, if you're writing on the
32:46
clock, chances are you're going to go with little
32:48
techniques or tricks that you're. most comfortable
32:50
with so i definitely learned a lot about myself
32:52
as well as like a songwriter of like maybe what
32:55
i was leaning on to push things out quickly so
32:57
it also gave me that perspective of maybe what
32:59
to work on outside of that to start bringing
33:02
other tools and techniques in the box just getting
33:05
to punch in hours and hours and hours like that
33:08
that's gotta just hone in your skills so well
33:10
how did you find so working with the youth what
33:13
are you are you hopeful for the youth do you
33:15
have fears for the youth how they do it because
33:18
our old asses aren't near them so like how are
33:21
you actually i do work with youth so okay you
33:24
work no but trevor does too i'm curious what
33:27
your hot take is because mine is very therapeutically
33:29
so i tend to get the darker side of how youth
33:34
are going so maybe there's some bias there right
33:37
it's no fair because yeah mine is much more of
33:39
like just i teach essentially all form of non
33:43
-bowed string instruments as I try and clarify
33:45
now though I'm still sure I've failed to uh failed
33:48
to mention a few things there but yeah mine is
33:50
much more like in person one -on -one and I'm
33:53
sort of like in my own business just sort of
33:55
get hired privately so very much like just people
33:58
that have the disposable income to like usually
34:01
send either their kids as often thing teens and
34:04
other things or even kids as young as four so
34:07
I've definitely noticed some changes over the
34:10
the course of my career I get hard to generalize
34:13
it from that small sample but definitely noticed
34:16
that maybe it feels almost like because there's
34:18
just so many ways to entertain ourselves it can
34:21
be tough sometimes to get kids to really put
34:24
in the time or effort so there's a lot of there's
34:27
a lot more it feels like now than there was later
34:30
maybe me really prizing those students that really
34:33
sort of put like even the hours of practice in
34:36
a week i really appreciate that because of course
34:39
looking at it like we never had all the cool
34:41
other tech and things we can work on like yeah
34:44
even now i feel myself i mean i've complained
34:46
to john about this a bunch of course why i don't
34:48
often go too much on social media because it
34:51
just becomes a black hole for my time where i
34:53
suddenly look up and say oh man i've been 20
34:55
minutes just scrolling randomly through like
34:58
this feed where it's like i should have been
35:00
practicing or doing something else writing thing
35:02
etc so i really have it makes me both like really
35:06
prize those kids that can still sort of put in
35:09
that passion and effort. But then I've also been
35:12
like really impressed as well because for me,
35:15
I still like love working with a lot of these
35:18
like young people. I find that too, something
35:20
about music as compared to other forms of practice
35:24
or study. I've always found there's just so many
35:26
great like habits you can learn from music that
35:29
you can generalize to real life as is any art
35:31
so much about like the practice, the regimenting
35:34
sort of thing, the sort of having that common
35:37
language to share. something to like be really
35:40
proud of and have these cool traditions that
35:42
we can inherit whether it's like a classical
35:44
guitar player or if you're a rocker stuff like
35:48
that i mean we used to say even back in the day
35:50
i'm sure it was maybe the same with you guys
35:52
coming up like people would often bond not over
35:54
what bands they loved and also like bands they
35:57
mutually like despised as well but all that stuff
36:00
was such a source interesting identity for us
36:03
It is. I think it's, it must be cool to be sharing
36:06
those skill sets with things. Cause I had a,
36:08
I had a musical moment with somebody who I'd
36:11
only met for like briefly. There was this kid
36:14
who was working in, he's not a kid, he's 20 and
36:16
we're working in our carpentry shop and a Californication
36:19
by the Chili's came on and he had never heard
36:22
it. and he was like who are the chillies and
36:25
like he was he was dead serious and he's like
36:27
i was like i was like son let me daddy up on
36:30
you yeah here we go okay so it's like i'm like
36:34
i'm gonna it's like because we have like an old
36:36
like thing where you connect it to your phone
36:38
so i was like let me just i'm gonna play you
36:40
what's called an album and you can listen to
36:42
all of the chillies we're gonna listen from one
36:45
to the end and he was like what i was like no
36:48
no no we're not just gonna hear like a spray
36:49
of songs we're gonna listen to this full album
36:52
start to finish so we started to finish yeah
36:55
the way it was supposed to be and like it's it's
36:57
cool because it built and he loved it and i was
36:59
just like oh sweet so like i think that music
37:02
can be a gift to find these tight these certain
37:04
songs things that stick with you i remember when
37:06
we were driving to the muskokas you and i we
37:09
were not the muskokas we were off for a camping
37:10
trip and um i think there there was this woman
37:14
she had a beautiful voice and i think the line
37:16
was um it's like no living man can be an angel
37:19
but then you turn to me and you go but we can
37:22
I'll try and like in your cool voice and I was
37:25
just like I'm like I have so many tattoos I was
37:28
like man it is hard to not get that tattooed
37:30
on me after this many years but I thought I've
37:33
always that line stuck with me and that's the
37:35
coolest thing about music is you can make a banger
37:38
a song that somebody just loves or sticks to
37:40
or it's their theme song you know right yeah
37:42
or pass that on to the next kids who yeah it's
37:46
very shareable it's the nachos of art medium
37:51
Yeah. We can all pig out on it. Oh, I love that
37:57
analogy. I can think of the sour cream and the
38:00
salsa toppings and all those fun things. Oh,
38:02
speaking of salsa, I've been listening to a lot
38:04
of Spanish music and that's also been kind of
38:07
like inspiring some of my drawings. So like the
38:10
fact that you had like that little guitar in
38:11
there for the last one that I just did, I was
38:13
like, so I just, there's something nice to that.
38:16
Like, like you can do other things with your
38:18
medium. Without your medium, we can't have the
38:22
same medium. You know what I mean? We listen
38:24
to music as I do art. Oh, yes. There we go. Thank
38:28
you. I'm just trying to build to that. They work
38:32
so well hand in hand. Touche. Thank you for that.
38:41
Is there any chance that we can get our hands
38:43
on these? songs that you wrote during the pandemic
38:47
the like one hour oh yeah snippets That can be
38:51
an offline mission for you. Cause yeah, I know
38:55
Craig definitely released a bunch of these like
38:58
compilation albums on Spotify of like a bunch
39:02
of the people that work from stuff. So I'm sure
39:04
it's gotta be on there. So I will take a look
39:06
for it later today and maybe see if I can get
39:08
you guys a little sample. I don't want to be
39:11
too embarrassed about it, depending on what it
39:12
was. I have two more questions. One of them is
39:16
about that like creative constraint that you
39:18
were given. of like we're going to give you an
39:21
hour to do this and it kind of reminded me of
39:24
in art school when we were first starting to
39:27
paint our teacher would be like you can only
39:29
paint in black and white for a little bit and
39:31
then once we had kind of mastered that they were
39:33
like okay now you can use one extra color and
39:36
I found it was really helpful in fueling that
39:39
creativity because you know you kind of had to
39:43
fit yourself in a box and it had it made me think
39:46
of it forced me to think in a different way and
39:49
i'm wondering if it kind of sounds like you had
39:51
that same sentiment yeah no exactly i always
39:54
i've always found for me to like the greatest
39:55
the most generative like exercise or practices
39:58
as you say like sort of forcing yourself to adhere
40:01
to some style that you knew well so for me a
40:04
big part of like that process was even like picking
40:07
let's say like the genre let's say whether it
40:09
was going to be or whether often the kids would
40:11
provide that would seem like a country song versus
40:13
a heavy metal song versus a folk song so even
40:17
already that sort of would constrain things of
40:20
what i would choose to use or certain effects
40:23
or even like certain instrument choices so yeah
40:26
i guess that's a great way to think about that
40:27
because again talking about that sort of like
40:30
familiar bag of tricks that i'd like to dip into
40:33
that was sort of really forced me to both like
40:35
leverage my knowledge of a particular style so
40:39
that i wouldn't sort of go outside it because
40:41
i love a lot of these modern like sort of fusion
40:44
or like genre bending styles you hear like all
40:47
these really now in the music industry all these
40:49
really hyper specific like niche names oh yeah
40:52
you know cool yacht rock or other things very
40:54
specific or really cool combos or styles so what
40:58
i really liked about this was like essentially
41:00
being forced to do something in the style of
41:02
say like Hank Williams so I'd maybe even listen
41:05
to a bunch of tracks for reference and sort of
41:07
take that as inspiration so it was a great way
41:09
for me to sort of have this really pointless
41:11
means of just learning from some of the the greats
41:15
or for me like I grew up listening to a lot of
41:18
blues, whether Muddy Waters or Howling Wolf,
41:20
so it was great to find a song that was appropriate
41:23
to write as a little sort of blues rhyming couplet
41:25
and just leverage all that knowledge. In this
41:29
case, for instance, I'm a big fan of jazz as
41:32
well, so maybe those times where it's appropriate
41:34
to use the weird bebop notes of a particular
41:37
scale versus sticking to pentatonic scale. for
41:41
blues, just all those little things would help
41:43
me really focus on parts of my technique that
41:45
were great in flash if I only had to play for
41:48
like, you know, maybe 10 seconds in the songs,
41:50
a little quote in the solo, but having to do
41:52
something for like four minutes consistently
41:54
and keep it interesting. I would have to keep
41:57
digging deeper or just even having to... to sort
42:00
of practice more because that was the other great
42:02
thing about recording and being a perfectionist
42:04
on my end. I would never want even what I perceived
42:07
to be like a small error, even just like a little
42:10
audio artifact of what happened on the guitar.
42:13
I would always hate leaving that in. So I was
42:15
very much... sort of sometimes recording to excess
42:19
still within that hour but trying to get it out
42:22
where i could really be proud of the track even
42:24
when no one else listening to it could really
42:26
hear that difference always that sense of i guess
42:29
those two opposing forces of wanting to really
42:32
feel like i did a great take but also you know
42:35
I got to get this done in an hour. So it's kind
42:37
of my job. So maybe push it out and find a happy
42:40
medium. So part of it's learning to settle, I
42:42
guess. But I also learned that most people don't
42:44
seem to hear the little issues I'm hearing. So
42:47
I realized so much of that was also probably
42:49
part of just you hear it a certain way in your
42:51
head. And the way you actually create it is just
42:53
as good or sometimes even more interesting. But
42:55
because it's not exactly as you predicted, you
42:58
got to sort of learn to let it go or let it live
43:00
as is and find its own life. We are our worst
43:06
own critics. That's what I always found. Oh,
43:07
big time. Yeah, artists especially, I'm sure.
43:09
Yeah, yeah. Zach. So I am your booster job. I
43:16
am your booster. I love your art right now. It's
43:18
my favorite thing. Thank you. Yeah. No, I love
43:21
making it. It's such a nice way to get out these
43:25
little outlets of frustrations or whatever or
43:27
whatnot, or just basically just be playing creative.
43:30
And I like to surprise myself and see these things
43:33
come out of my hands because I've always had
43:35
stuff in my head that I wanted to make, but was
43:38
always too shy to come out of my shell and actually
43:41
start making it. And once I started, I'm like,
43:44
I'm not going back. I'm going to keep doing stuff.
43:46
Yeah. I got to thank you too, Linnea, because
43:50
you might've been the first person that ever
43:53
got me as an adult who graduated high school
43:56
to do like an art project. I still remember that
43:59
Christmas thing you were writing. I have it.
44:01
I still have that thing you made. Weren't we
44:04
making dream journals? i have that in my closet
44:08
still that's wild and i've still got your it
44:12
was like a cookie cutter style man thing where
44:15
you had us draw in this class all different characters
44:19
on like this, I guess like this gingerbread man
44:21
style, like paper cutout. I still have that hanging
44:24
in my sort of sitting room, comes out for Christmas.
44:27
So thank you for being the reason for me making
44:30
that. Oh, oh, I'm glad you shared that. I totally
44:34
forgot about that and still don't totally remember,
44:37
but I believe you when you say these things.
44:44
i swear i'm not lying for the class i think i
44:48
remember was this at pressed yeah yeah okay Oh,
44:53
that was pre -pandemic. No wonder everything
44:55
before that in my brain has disappeared. Yeah.
45:00
Oh, mine too. Trevor, do you have any like words
45:04
of wisdom for anyone who's curious about getting
45:07
into music who might be still in their shell,
45:09
as John would say? Yeah, absolutely. The big
45:12
thing I find, especially teaching my students
45:16
is sort of what we were talking about earlier,
45:18
that like sort of fear of putting themselves
45:20
out there being like maybe. like a player that
45:23
just they're feeling like they're just not good
45:25
enough to like join even like a local jam circle
45:27
or things like that i see that from the outside
45:30
and it really makes me realize how much I sort
45:32
of grew just being with other musicians, learning
45:36
from them. There's no better way than being in
45:39
the room with someone rather than having some
45:41
piece of sheet music online or YouTube. I know
45:43
a lot of people like that because it's the comfortable
45:45
place. But like you and John were saying earlier,
45:47
it's just a matter of putting yourselves in those
45:49
rooms, leaning into that occasional nervousness
45:53
or butterflies, because chances are it's telling
45:56
you that you're being challenged. So that's sort
45:58
of my... advice to a lot of my students aspiring
46:00
to be better is just like put yourself in the
46:03
situation when jam there's no greater motivator
46:06
than feeling like ah i did pretty well that time
46:09
but i know i can do better so having like that
46:11
just weekly jam set up that's that's a big part
46:14
of it for me and then also for the sort of longevity
46:17
of it there's definitely something about learning
46:20
not to lose the love so one thing i sort of tell
46:23
a lot of my friends and students i've had the
46:26
like really privilege of teaching a lot of really
46:28
talented teenagers that eventually even some
46:30
of them went into the industry themselves, which
46:33
was like such a proud moment for me to see. But
46:35
I also tell folks, you know, it's not an either
46:38
or thing. That's the great thing about. As I've
46:40
gotten older, just playing with a lot of people
46:42
on the scene, a lot of people have totally different
46:44
day jobs, among other things, and yet they are
46:46
still sort of living the best of both worlds.
46:49
So that's another thing I sort of tell people
46:51
is to essentially make sure that you'll always
46:54
love it because we can often burn out so easily.
46:58
I find for me, especially, I get hired so often.
47:01
Sometimes I sort of forget that it's more than
47:05
just like, you know, a job that I have to monetize.
47:08
just to keep my living going so when i get sometimes
47:10
really in the work season you know when i come
47:13
home from teaching for eight hours and then practicing
47:15
and rehearsing for all these different pieces
47:17
there's the last thing i want to do is like pick
47:19
up my own guitar and just twiddle away from my
47:22
own pleasure but of course i sort of forget that
47:24
when i do do that remember to do that force myself
47:27
and not worry about learning this or that just
47:29
like enjoy singing some random blues song or
47:32
doing some little jazz improvised exploration
47:35
like it usually feels the best it's the best
47:37
medicine for me of just not having to worry about
47:40
being on the clock learning this or that just
47:42
exploring it treating it like I did when I was
47:45
that first you know teenager in high school just
47:47
playing the stuff I loved and reacted to so that's
47:50
the big thing for me I guess the true apply my
47:52
own life is like learn to keep the love because
47:54
if you're miserable in the short term chances
47:57
are it's only going to be harder to keep those
47:59
positive associations so don't forget there's
48:02
a reason you got into it always try and reconnect
48:05
with that because that's what i think really
48:07
keeps you sort of sane in this industry and in
48:09
it for the long haul word yeah yeah i like that
48:12
i like that that music is medicine Because I
48:16
think, and whether you're a musician playing
48:18
an instrument or just someone who really enjoys
48:21
music, I think that is such a big connector for
48:24
so many people. And it's so beautiful. Yeah.
48:27
And as I'm learning again, as is, you know, the
48:30
great crafting and arts, I've definitely been
48:32
trying to get into more, even like the basics
48:34
of like practicals of like sewing or maybe some
48:37
knitting, or maybe I got to come back for another
48:39
craft night. Yeah. I love that. I'm always down
48:43
to craft. Nice. craft or drawing sessions they're
48:46
always down so we can do a zoom one offline just
48:49
go yeah i would love that oh that'd be perfect
48:54
very cool yeah wait did we say what was our song
48:58
was no i was just thinking we should um do that
49:03
uh my song was did i tell you that i miss you
49:07
and uh yeah it's just a I can't remember what
49:10
the artist's name is. Oh, I have it on my computer.
49:13
Oh, do I? If I go backwards on the YouTube. Oh,
49:19
please don't automatically play. It was going
49:21
to automatically play. Adore. Adore. There we
49:24
go. Super cute video, too. Trevor, do you have
49:30
a song you want to add? Absolutely. One that
49:33
I really reacted to. strongly i got a little
49:37
teared up though i can't necessarily say why
49:40
but just the the timbre of the voice is a song
49:43
by the wood brothers called postcards from hell
49:46
i've been really enjoying that one recently okay
49:49
definitely look into that if we're doing cry
49:52
ones uh tracy chapman fast car oh my god god
49:56
yeah you want to just cry let's go it hits home
50:02
so hard for some reason just every time i definitely
50:06
have a playlist that i've made that i listen
50:08
to if i need a good cry nice give us a cry song
50:11
um my song that i was gonna add is not a cry
50:17
song it's more of a happy song and it's the one
50:19
i made art about and we didn't really talk about
50:21
it but that's fine because we just got into it
50:23
right away the song is called carried away by
50:25
passion pit i think i've seen them twice now
50:27
once at blues fest and it's just such a happy
50:30
song and it's kind of just about getting carried
50:33
away and as someone who does get carried away
50:35
with things of like this small seed will get
50:37
planted and then I'll make it my whole personality
50:39
for a bit until I get bored with it so I have
50:42
a tendency of getting carried away so I made
50:44
some art about getting carried away and it's
50:47
a collage with some words on it and we'll show
50:49
a picture of it online but i made this little
50:52
air balloon that has a paper clip and we can
50:56
put it on the art and it can move around and
51:00
just hang out on different parts of the art depending
51:02
on what the vibe is awesome interactive art yeah
51:07
so i really like that so nice yeah and i was
51:11
listening to carried away on repeat as um as
51:14
i was making it and that was really fun perfect
51:16
yeah Sweet. Do you ever do that like that? Sorry,
51:20
this may be off topic. Do you ever do that like
51:21
painting with a slash music night thing? I know
51:24
that's gotten more and more popular in our local
51:26
city here. Do you ever try some of those style
51:29
activities? I have not. I tend to shy away from
51:33
hate nights just because I don't always like
51:35
to be told exactly what to make. Even though
51:38
I did host one, my first and only. paint night
51:42
that I hosted maybe it's not my only one was
51:44
during the pandemic and it was on YouTube so
51:47
I was just in my room filming myself painting
51:51
and I couldn't hear or see anyone so it was it
51:55
felt like a monologue and it was very odd and
51:57
I was also trying to read little comments while
51:59
also painting and I'm not a great reader especially
52:03
if I get stressed or anxious so I was reading
52:06
things wrong and it was all live and it was very
52:09
embarrassing but we painted um sunflowers nice
52:12
nice and it was just a nice way to connect people
52:15
and it was a fundraiser for youthnet i think
52:17
beauty yeah that's so awesome yeah um any other
52:21
questions trevor did you have any questions for
52:23
us yeah no absolutely because i was sort of As
52:26
you guys know, total sort of neophyte in like
52:29
the art world. So I was just sort of curious,
52:32
if you don't want me asking about sort of your
52:33
space, your experiences more in like the art
52:36
therapy space. I've done like a little bit of
52:39
music therapy, like shall we say adjacent things
52:42
of playing in sort of like retirement homes or
52:45
other contexts that seem to help folks in different
52:47
ways. What's your experience been as far as clientele
52:50
and practice and all that stuff? Well, it's been
52:54
almost 10 years since I've been frolicking in
52:56
art therapy land. Five years, almost five years
52:59
as a practitioner. And what I love about art
53:03
therapy is that it's so different for everyone.
53:05
And people are like, oh, what's art therapy?
53:07
And it's so hard to answer that question because
53:09
it's very much an experiential thing. Some clients
53:12
will come in and just be like, Linnea, grab me
53:14
this, this and this, sit down. And they just
53:16
want to sit. make art quietly and we may or may
53:19
not talk we may or may not they may or may not
53:21
want to share about their art and then some clients
53:23
will just come in and just talk the whole time
53:26
and then i might be like oh do you want to make
53:28
some art about that and sometimes i have a few
53:30
clients who just don't want to make art and that's
53:32
totally okay um because again it's the art of
53:35
conversation so it's so different for everyone
53:37
and i absolutely love it i love seeing people
53:43
grow There are times when I leave my job with,
53:46
I call it job euphoria, where I'm just like,
53:48
I love this. yeah, it's just connecting with
53:52
people. And I'm not really a people person. I
53:54
consider myself more of an introvert. So to have
53:57
these really meaningful connections with people
53:59
that they like seek out, they like pay me to
54:03
listen and talk to them, which is so strange
54:05
if I really think about it. But yeah, it's really
54:08
cool to have found my calling through that. And
54:11
it's so through a whim, like I didn't really,
54:13
it was all kind of. through impulse I guess or
54:16
maybe I can say intuition in hindsight of just
54:20
how I got there and I think between when I applied
54:23
for school and when I like decided to move across
54:25
the country it was like two or three months and
54:28
I just yeah and it's been great ever since sometimes
54:31
you gotta get that bug just chase it wherever
54:34
you need to go you know yeah like yeah if you're
54:37
super into it for that three months that three
54:38
months can make a huge difference so that's what
54:41
set you down your path i guess so yeah i really
54:43
resonate with that because i definitely never
54:46
planned to be like a full -time musician either
54:49
it became like total left field from like the
54:52
original original plan of like more the academic
54:54
route and clinical psychology and all that and
54:57
then just like discovering the reality of that
54:59
like just running a few uh like university experiments
55:02
seeing that's not really the day -to -day life
55:04
i wanted and just sort of took a summer off to
55:06
go to toronto with my friends and then boom suddenly
55:09
here i am now still and i mean i love what you
55:12
said too about like the the therapy side of it
55:14
because i definitely had some students usually
55:16
a little older senior citizens who've retired
55:19
but like some times we would sit down and just
55:21
like talk about the blues or their lives or the
55:24
things and maybe we don't even for some of them
55:26
don't even end up like touching the guitar it's
55:28
sort of more that like sort of uh just talking
55:31
and unwinding and that sort of way away from
55:33
the rest of their lives there so that was also
55:35
at first it sort of threw me but i came to realize
55:38
like what a what a privilege it was to be trusted
55:40
and have that little uh view into someone's life
55:42
and being able to offer my two cents and give
55:45
them that outlet it felt like a great privilege
55:47
to be paid for such a thing and be able to be
55:50
a part of that person's life. Yeah. And I think
55:52
what I find so therapeutic about music is that
55:55
you can hear a song and it'll bring you back
55:58
to a time and place and that will stick with
56:01
you. Some song played the other day and I knew
56:03
all the words. I'm like, I haven't heard this
56:05
song in maybe 15 years, but I happen to still
56:08
know all the words. I'm like, how do I not remember
56:10
what I ate for breakfast yesterday? But songs
56:12
from this boy band from the 90s come so readily
56:16
to me. It's wild. It's a real connect. Music,
56:23
it sticks with your soul. There's music that's
56:26
going to bring you right back to certain time
56:27
periods. Beautifully said. I can still sing you
56:31
a few Backstreet Boys songs from memory. I'm
56:34
not ashamed to say it. No, those were wild. Right
56:42
on. Sweet. if that's everything we can kind of
56:46
sign off i think so i just uh yeah if we're gonna
56:49
say goodbye to our listeners uh a forehead kiss
56:52
or a stone cold steve austin stunner which one
56:55
you want it's up to you or just like an affirming
57:01
nod the way your uncle did a hard affirming nod
57:04
for those who have stuck through yeah The ones
57:08
who've stuck with us, a hard affirming nod. They
57:11
can't see it, but I'm giving them one right now.
57:13
Right on. Oh, that's great. It's great. Nailed
57:17
it. So good. Thank you so much, Trevor, for joining
57:20
us. thank you for being our first guest our first
57:23
guest wow broke the seal and i'm sure not the
57:27
last i can't wait to see where you guys go next
57:28
with this same same thank you so much for coming
57:32
on the show yeah we couldn't have done it without
57:34
you all right stop all right bye everyone bye
57:39
later guys