Latest / Chef's PSA Podcast / Mastering Menus & the Creative Process Ep. 58
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- 0:00Hello chefs, This is Chef's PSA Podcast.
- 0:02I'm your host Andre Natara. On today's episode, we're going
- 0:04to talk menus and creativity. Stay tuned.
- 0:19So before we get into it, brief update For those of you that are
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- 0:31Now that I've finished doing that, my next project is I'm
- 0:34going to start translating the books into Italian, and I'm also
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- 0:40I'll give it away on the three-part series that I did on
- 0:43Food Cost. A lot of people really enjoyed
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- 0:47learned more about money and finances than they ever had in
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- 1:02So I just put up a poll on Instagram and it was what was
- 1:05today's podcast going to be about?
- 1:07It was going to be about interviewing best practices or
- 1:11the journey that one has to take to become a chef.
- 1:14Or was it going to be about menus and creativity?
- 1:17Menus and creativity one, polls are closed.
- 1:20So that's what we're going to talk about on today's podcast is
- 1:23creating menus, what my process is when I create menus and how
- 1:27the creative process ties into. I did a video on Instagram the
- 1:30other day, which was part of a class that I had done during the
- 1:34pandemic. It was called how to lead like
- 1:36an executive chef or how to manage like an executive chef.
- 1:38And we went, you know, we treated it like master class and
- 1:41we went through every single aspect of running a hotel and
- 1:46menu engineering was a part of that.
- 1:48So I did a small little clip of that and I put it up on social
- 1:52media and it talked about the 7030 rule or the 8020 rule.
- 1:57And I was actually surprised by how much good feedback I
- 2:01received on that. I didn't realize that that was
- 2:02such a foreign concept to people.
- 2:04So I talked about, you know, creating a menu that 80% of it
- 2:07or 70% of it are items that are going to do the majority of the
- 2:10heavy lifting on the menu. It's everything that's going to
- 2:12sell what I like to call the fastball down the middle and
- 2:14then 20 or 30% depending on how you break that down is going to
- 2:18be your area to play and create. So I do want to talk about that.
- 2:23I also want to talk about the creative process and how that
- 2:25ties in to building your own menu.
- 2:28Now before we get into all of this, I will say not every
- 2:32restaurant is the same and not every kitchen is the same and
- 2:35it's not a one-size-fits-all. What works for one restaurant
- 2:38doesn't necessarily work for another restaurant.
- 2:40And and you have to use a little bit of intelligence to figure
- 2:44out like, hey, this what you said applies to what I'm doing,
- 2:47but this definitely doesn't. So I'm going to trust that you
- 2:51all are going to take what is useful and specific to your
- 2:54restaurant and discard what is not and maybe just help a friend
- 2:58out who might need it. But not everyone's going to need
- 2:59everything I say. So first thing when you're
- 3:01creating a menu, I think the first thing that you have to
- 3:03discover is what your brand identity is for the restaurant
- 3:07that you're creating a menu for. And there's a lot of different
- 3:10ways to do this. Some people have a brand
- 3:11statement or a mission statement.
- 3:13They have a vision board, but regardless of what that is, you
- 3:16need to establish parameters of what falls into the box of your
- 3:20restaurant and its menu and what doesn't.
- 3:22Because where I see a lot of chefs go wrong is that they
- 3:25create really delicious food or not delicious food.
- 3:28And they put it on the menu where it doesn't make any sense.
- 3:30And the example I'll give is you have an Italian restaurant and
- 3:33you're putting tacos on it like it.
- 3:35That just doesn't make sense for you to have on your Italian
- 3:37restaurant. Or vice versa, you have a
- 3:39Mexican restaurant and then you go put pasta carbonara on it.
- 3:42That doesn't make sense. So the first thing that you need
- 3:45to do is you need to identify what the guardrails are for your
- 3:49restaurant. Because a restaurant has to have
- 3:51an identity. It can't be something
- 3:53one-size-fits-all for everybody. A lot of restaurants are
- 3:56starting to fall into that category because they don't
- 3:59identify who they are, what their identity is, what is the
- 4:02brand that they're trying to go for.
- 4:04And so they end up putting whatever's trendy on the menu,
- 4:07and it just becomes this messy menu of a whole bunch of things
- 4:10that really don't make sense. To give you a good example of
- 4:13what I mean, there was a period in time where everyone had a
- 4:16cheese border charcuterie board, Brussels sprouts, and we just
- 4:20called it New American Kitchen. So I get it.
- 4:22You just want to throw whatever's trendy, whatever was
- 4:24in Bon Appetit for the week. And we're just going to say it's
- 4:26New American and it's going to stick.
- 4:28And yes, that food is delicious, but it didn't really have an
- 4:32identity, and those restaurant concepts sometimes can be
- 4:34shortlived. So really good exercise that I
- 4:37did to identify what is the brand as we got in a room and we
- 4:40put all the stakeholders in the room.
- 4:42So anyone that has a vested interest in the restaurant and
- 4:44we said what is the restaurant and we create 2 columns.
- 4:47It is this, it is, you know, we listed out 1010 things that we
- 4:51felt identified the restaurant and said OK, if it falls in the
- 4:54category of these 10 things, it could go on the menu.
- 4:57But if it doesn't, then it shouldn't even be discussed.
- 4:59So again, we're going to use the Italian restaurant as the
- 5:02example. If you said your restaurant,
- 5:04again the identifying words, it's Italian local seasonal from
- 5:09Sicily focused on seafood. Let's just say we're using those
- 5:14five. If someone came and said OKI
- 5:17have this great, also buco dish from a different part of Italy,
- 5:23well then that shouldn't go on the menu.
- 5:24It's not seafood, it's not Sicilian, it wasn't local.
- 5:27So even though it is Italian, it doesn't fall into the parameters
- 5:30of what that menu is. So you have to clearly identify
- 5:34what the guardrails are for your restaurant.
- 5:36And I'm not saying you can't ever color outside the lines,
- 5:39but you need to have some sort of predictability for your
- 5:42customer coming in that they could look at your website and
- 5:44it says Italian coastal Sicilian seafood restaurant.
- 5:48They say, I kind of get it, I I think I know what I'm going to
- 5:50walk into. They're not going to go to your
- 5:53Italian coastal Sicilian restaurant and expect you to
- 5:57have ahi tuna tacos on it, right?
- 6:01Some common sense needs to be involved in this menu creation.
- 6:04So first thing you have to do is identify what the guardrails are
- 6:07for the restaurant. And then there's the
- 6:08conversation of what level are you trying to go for, right?
- 6:10Are you just going for the local neighborhood restaurant or are
- 6:13you going for something extremely high end?
- 6:15Are you pushing for Michelin 3 star?
- 6:17Are you pushing for just, you know you want to be busy and you
- 6:19want to feed the neighborhood? Again, very different ends of
- 6:22the spectrum. If you're going for the three
- 6:25star versus neighborhood, you would have put something that's
- 6:29you'd expect that a three star Michelin restaurant on the
- 6:32neighborhood restaurant and you wouldn't put something from the
- 6:34neighborhood restaurant on the extremely high end menu, at
- 6:37least not without adding a lot of finesse and Polish to it.
- 6:42It has to fit the concept so your customers again can come in
- 6:46and know what to expect. You have to approach this from a
- 6:49business mindset first, right? So establishing what the
- 6:53guardrails are is establishing what the business mindset is for
- 6:56the restaurant. We're going to talk about
- 6:59creativity here in a SEC, but let's kind of establish the
- 7:02framework, The bones business first, right?
- 7:05As we talked about, it's the lifeblood of any restaurant to
- 7:08make sure there's money coming through.
- 7:10Now every restaurant is going to be different.
- 7:11Like I said, some restaurants apply the 444 rules.
- 7:16So like 4 starters, 4 main courses for desserts.
- 7:20Yeah, that's that's a smaller type restaurant.
- 7:22Some people are going to go into a tasting menu.
- 7:24Only some people might have a large menu with like 50 items on
- 7:28it. You know, every single
- 7:30restaurant is going to approach it differently.
- 7:32But when you're creating a menu, a good way to look at it is the
- 7:37amount of inventory and the amount of means and plus that
- 7:39you need to create the menu. There's a lot of factors that
- 7:41you have to consider. So you have to consider how much
- 7:43inventory do you need to execute this menu?
- 7:45How many cooks do you have on the line to execute the food
- 7:47that you're trying to put out? I'm going to get off the
- 7:49subject, but at one point in my career I was the chef of a
- 7:53restaurant where we were doing a tasting menu and it was, it was
- 7:56complex and we were punching above our weight.
- 8:01What I mean by that is we were we were looking at like what El
- 8:04Bulli was doing is like we got to be as good as El Bulli.
- 8:07Yeah, this is when bubble food was all the rage and what we
- 8:11were trying to do with like 5 cooks was just not feasible.
- 8:14It was it was not realistic to do that level of food with only
- 8:18five people tasting menu only and all the other things that we
- 8:21had to deal with, right. And what ended up happening is,
- 8:25you know we spread ourselves too thin And then what we were
- 8:27trying to execute, we just executed it sloppy just because
- 8:30we didn't have enough people to execute it well.
- 8:33Where you see that where a lot of chefs are pushing to really
- 8:35achieve the most that they can with whatever goal they have in
- 8:38their specific market. And they spread themselves too
- 8:43thin and they spread their team too thin and it ends up not
- 8:46working out very well because there's only so many hours in a
- 8:49day and there's only so much a human being can do.
- 8:52Now that doesn't mean that you shouldn't push yourselves to
- 8:56excellence. Sometimes I would go into
- 8:59meetings with people like we'd have menu meetings and I was
- 9:01ambitious. So I'd say I want to do this,
- 9:02this, this, this, this, and I'd get pushed back from some of my
- 9:06sous chefs and be like, that's too hard, It's too ambitious,
- 9:09this, that and the other. And I would get frustrated and I
- 9:11would say I don't need to be surrounded by a bunch of people
- 9:14telling me what we can't do. I need to be surrounded by
- 9:16people telling me what we can do, what can we achieve.
- 9:19If we want to be the best, we need to be able to push and
- 9:23saying we can't do it. We're not going to have any
- 9:25success behind it. A lot of times, like I needed
- 9:29some people to push back on me, but other times I needed to push
- 9:33them a little bit because sometimes, sometimes as the
- 9:36chef, you have to know where that line is.
- 9:38You have to know that you've pushed your team too far and
- 9:41they're on the edge of breaking and and it's just not healthy or
- 9:46you haven't pushed far enough, right.
- 9:48And you know, take a take a good look around your kitchen.
- 9:50Are people busy? Are they screwing off on their
- 9:53phone half the day? Well, then you could probably
- 9:55push harder, right? I mean, use some common sense
- 9:58and some discretion when you're designing your menus.
- 10:01Now when we're talking about what's going to go on the menu.
- 10:04So again we we to discuss the guardrails that someone needs to
- 10:07have on the menu. So everything that goes on the
- 10:09menu has to pass the test of does it fall on the brand and in
- 10:14in the guardrails of what we're trying to achieve.
- 10:17Once that's been taken care of, then we need to say okay, the
- 10:198020 rule, what I was talking about earlier is like 80% of
- 10:23your dishes should be familiar because that's going to carry
- 10:25the bulk of your sales. So 80% of the dishes on the menu
- 10:29should be easy for someone to understand.
- 10:32It shouldn't be so complex that they don't know what they're
- 10:35looking at like. The expression goes chefs
- 10:37cooking for other chefs or chefs cooking to impress themselves.
- 10:40If 80% or 100% of your menu is chefs cooking for chefs or chefs
- 10:45cooking to impress themselves and it's not in the right
- 10:49neighborhood, most likely you're going to fail.
- 10:52The the reality is, is you are not going to be able to serve
- 10:55that super intricate food in every type of setting, right?
- 10:59There has to be a little bit of common sense in determining
- 11:01what's going to go on your menu. So like I said, 80% of the
- 11:04people that are coming in, they're going to have simple
- 11:06pallets. They're going to order the
- 11:07things that are familiar to them.
- 11:08You know, empires can be built off chicken parm or a hamburger
- 11:12or really good pasta or really good tacos, like the basics do
- 11:16well for a reason. And to not have the basic things
- 11:19on the menu that are going to sell is actually going to hurt
- 11:22your restaurant because you don't want someone to come into
- 11:25your restaurant and say I need a translator for what this is.
- 11:29I don't understand any of it, right?
- 11:33Early on in my career, I remember someone had come up to
- 11:36me and they wanted to put this weird shit on the menu that I
- 11:39really wasn't jiving with. And I remember thinking, you
- 11:42know, I'm a pretty serious chef. There's no way I'm going to put
- 11:44that on the menu. And I remember having a little
- 11:45back and forth with my boss. And they, they caved in because
- 11:50when I was a young chef, I just wanted to do amazing food.
- 11:53And I could care less sometimes about would it sell or would it
- 11:57not. And in retrospect, that was
- 11:59stupid. They should have fired me
- 12:01because now when I go and consult with people and
- 12:04occasionally I come across with chefs that'll say I don't want
- 12:07to do it, that's not my food. I was like, well, the food that
- 12:10you're trying to do is not this restaurant.
- 12:13You're going to end up closing this person's business because
- 12:15you want to do your food. There has to be a good balance
- 12:19on the menu. Now let's talk about the 30 to
- 12:2220% that you have to play with. That's where I would start to
- 12:25introduce things that are maybe on the fringe.
- 12:27So new techniques, obscure ingredients, things that maybe I
- 12:32like or my team wants to experiment with.
- 12:35So a lot of chefs that work with me be like I want to experiment
- 12:37with this particular ingredient. I'll say great, we'll put on the
- 12:39menu, but it's going to be in that 30% range.
- 12:43That's not going to be something that I would anticipate that
- 12:45will sell. And and usually I was right,
- 12:48like we'd put something obscure on the menu and then you'd look
- 12:50at your menu abstracts and it's like the chicken parm sold 100
- 12:55and that one sold zero or that one sold two.
- 12:58Because the reality is like if you're putting it on the menu
- 13:02and no one else is liking it, it doesn't matter.
- 13:04You're you're not cooking for yourself and you're not cooking
- 13:06at home. In many cases you're cooking for
- 13:08the audience that's coming in. But I think there is a certain
- 13:12level of experimentation because you will be proved wrong on
- 13:14occasion. You'll put something on the menu
- 13:16thinking that it's for the chefs and next thing you know,
- 13:20everyone's getting it. But that 30% should be where you
- 13:23experiment with new techniques and new ingredients.
- 13:26It should be learning, but that should be a rotational thing,
- 13:28right? So those are coming off.
- 13:30Another portion of the menu is the portion for me, like in
- 13:34restaurants that I would run, there was a portion that would
- 13:35never change. So we had our signature items
- 13:39and let's just say it's, you know, these five items, they've
- 13:41never come off the menu. We may adjust a little here or a
- 13:43little there, but the fact of the matter is those don't change
- 13:46because those are our greatest hits and everyone comes in to
- 13:49get that. It's the example of, like, when
- 13:51you go to a concert, like you want to hear all their new
- 13:53stuff, but they play like the same five hits.
- 13:56It's like, well, that's what makes them the money.
- 13:58That's what everyone really wants is the five hits.
- 14:01So you see it a lot in the music industry.
- 14:03You can learn something from the music industry as a chef, right?
- 14:06The greatest hits, The Rolling Stones, Satisfaction, Wu Tang
- 14:10Clan, Playing Cream, great songs, by the way.
- 14:14But the point is, you might want to listen to the new the Fringe,
- 14:17but they're going to play the classics.
- 14:20The same thing has to hold true in your restaurant.
- 14:22You want to make sure that the classics don't move, maybe
- 14:24adjust them a little bit. So again, you have that 30%, you
- 14:27have the classics, and then there's something that I like to
- 14:29call the sucker shit. And I think having sucker shit
- 14:33on your menu now is more important than ever as we move
- 14:35into the age of social media and Instagram.
- 14:38So what is sucker shit? Sucker shit is the kind of thing
- 14:41that influencers come in and they take their phone out
- 14:44because it comes to the table. It's the Salt Bay action, it's
- 14:47the gold plated tomahawk. It's the obscure thing that's
- 14:50shaped into a cake. It's truffle oil on French fries
- 14:55like that. That is kind of like the crack
- 14:57for influencers. Like, Oh my God, I had they have
- 14:59truffle fries. Like most people know.
- 15:01Like, I personally hate truffle oil, but I'm not opposed to
- 15:06putting truffle fries on the menu because I know it's going
- 15:08to sell, right? So that that's that fastball
- 15:11down the middle, but it's the it's the sucker shit.
- 15:12So I'll, I'll tell you a funny story.
- 15:15When I would be designing menus with my chefs every now and
- 15:18again, we talk about like we need some sucker shit on the
- 15:20menu stuff that the influencers are all going to pull out their
- 15:23phone for dinner. And so right before the pandemic
- 15:28happened, I was working with my pastry chef and I said I want to
- 15:30come up with the most obscene ice cream sundae and I want to
- 15:35make house made ice cream. And I want you to make your
- 15:38homemade magic shell. And I want to use the most
- 15:41expensive cherries and have on glaze and 10X vanilla bean ice
- 15:46cream. And I said I just want you to
- 15:47make it so over the top and garnish it with gold leaf and go
- 15:51to the table and pour it tableside and serve it on a
- 15:54silver platter and make you know a whole bunch of pomp and
- 15:57circumstance around the dish. We're going to sell it for $50
- 16:02Sunday for four, for $50.00, and I want every single table that
- 16:07comes in that's a party of four or more to get it so they can
- 16:10all take their phones out and record it.
- 16:12And I want to be on everyone's Instagram when we're doing this.
- 16:15And it was, it was that, I mean, it was, you know, sucker shit,
- 16:20but it was delicious too. Like, I'm not going to lie,
- 16:22sometimes sucker shit is delicious.
- 16:24And so we put it on the menu and we put it on for like 60 bucks.
- 16:27People would buy it all the time and everyone wanted to take
- 16:29pictures with it. And it worked, right?
- 16:31The the tableside ports, the souffle coming that everyone's
- 16:34going to take their phone out. Or the giradon being wheeled to
- 16:37the table depending on what type of restaurant you are, where
- 16:40they're slicing the meat or they're, you know, slicing the
- 16:42rib eye at the table. It's the it's the chocolate
- 16:45pinata that is kind of the stuff that you know is going to bring
- 16:49attention to your restaurant. So what I would tell my chefs is
- 16:51you want that to get them in and then you show them the cool
- 16:54stuff that you're working on, but that's the stuff that makes
- 16:56your restaurant go viral on social media.
- 16:59We had a dish that we did and it was, I'm sure everyone's done
- 17:02it, but this is what we were doing.
- 17:03We were doing tater tots with aerated Greer cheese and black
- 17:08truffles, and we would sell it for a certain price and we kept
- 17:12raising the price, but no one ever complained.
- 17:14No matter how much we raise the price, people would still buy it
- 17:18and my chef de cuisine at the time would come up to me, like,
- 17:21I want to take this off the menu.
- 17:22It's not as intricate, you know, we want to, we want to push.
- 17:25I said look, push on all this other stuff, but keep that on
- 17:28the menu. I know it's not like the most
- 17:30Swannier thing, but trust me, it's the one thing that everyone
- 17:34comes in and takes photos of it. Every single table gets it and
- 17:38it's a cash cow. Don't take it off the menu.
- 17:41I think to this day they still have it on the menu, I think.
- 17:43But it it's one of those things that you have to have a good mix
- 17:46of that sucker shit on the menu that everyone wants to come in
- 17:49and take photos of and like I said then you get them with the
- 17:51other stuff. This doesn't apply to all
- 17:53restaurants, but it applies to a lot where you do tasting menus,
- 17:56you have the opportunity to have supplements on there.
- 17:58I think having that on especially from a incremental
- 18:02revenue standpoint is a good thing.
- 18:03So let's say you have a tasting menu and you see this with a lot
- 18:06of high end restaurants, they'll have you know the supplemental
- 18:09caviar, the supplemental truffle, the supplemental A5 wag
- 18:12you that's a good way to increase and add value to what
- 18:17you're already doing. So for example, let's just use
- 18:19that tater tots as an example that I had earlier.
- 18:22I could say we have tater tots with aerated grier cheese on
- 18:25top, but for X amount of dollars more, we could supplement black
- 18:29truffles or you could supplement caviar, right.
- 18:32That is adding value to what you're doing.
- 18:35It's it's those Lux items, right.
- 18:37So if you have a tasting menu, then you have this course or
- 18:40that course orange for extra supplement, you could add in the
- 18:43lobster, or you can add in the A5, right?
- 18:44So for $25 more, $50 more, whatever the case may be, you
- 18:48add in those more expensive items.
- 18:50And then once you've written your menu, you should hopefully
- 18:52go through some sort of process to vet it.
- 18:54Make sure you do tastings, make sure everything's correct, and
- 18:57you should be reevaluating your menus quickly so you're
- 19:00adjusting them as needed. You know what's selling, what's
- 19:02not. A good practice is to run the
- 19:04menu analysis at the end of every month and evaluate what's
- 19:07selling, evaluate what's not and adjust as needed, right?
- 19:10The longer you delay, the more it's going to affect your bottom
- 19:13line. Now the last thing I'm going to
- 19:15talk about when it comes to creating menus, when you want to
- 19:19introduce things but you're not sure how to introduce them.
- 19:22This is something that I do. This is just this is just my pro
- 19:25tip is if I wanted to introduce an obscure ingredient, I might
- 19:30introduce it. For example, everyone loves
- 19:33beets, but not everyone loves foie gras.
- 19:36So maybe I will create a beet dish with foie gras versus a
- 19:39foie gras dish with beets. So if the first thing on your
- 19:42menu that you see is beets, a lot of people are going to be
- 19:44likely to order it. But if the first thing that you
- 19:47see on your menu is foie gras, they may be less likely to order
- 19:49it. So when I needed to introduce
- 19:52things like that, I would introduce them, You know, I'd
- 19:54partner them up with someone that was really popular, right?
- 19:59So if. You know, I I I would introduce
- 20:03the obscure friend with a really popular one.
- 20:05So like I said beats with frog bra and I know that's not that
- 20:08obscure, but sometimes in some parts of the country it's very
- 20:11obscure. And I think that's a good way to
- 20:13look at that is to to introduce people to things that they might
- 20:17not be comfortable with by having something that they are
- 20:20comfortable with on the plate already.
- 20:22I I do believe that creativity is a collaborative process.
- 20:26So when I'm designing menus, I usually get as many stakeholders
- 20:30in the room and we would write down ideas and we would just
- 20:34throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.
- 20:36So if I had five people, I'd tell everyone come with five
- 20:38ideas and let's just go through them.
- 20:40And sometimes you what you'd end up with is a dish that's a
- 20:43mishmash of several people's ideas.
- 20:45So I might say let's do the beef this way and someone else may
- 20:49say with this sauce and and this vegetable and then before you
- 20:53know it maybe we have an amalgamation of a lot of
- 20:55different ideas. So think about it like this,
- 20:57this If you're changing your menu and you have a couple of
- 21:00items that don't change, right? So you know your greatest hits,
- 21:04and then you have, you know, the sucker shit that might not
- 21:07change. And so you're experimenting
- 21:09with, you know, 30 or 40% of the menu that's going to change for
- 21:12the season or whatever. That might only be like six or
- 21:15seven items. But if you have five people
- 21:18coming up with 10 dishes apiece, that's fifty ideas, 50 menu
- 21:23ideas that you only need 5 or 6, right?
- 21:26And so then you're able to really push the creativity.
- 21:29Now once we've determined what those items are, we'll go out
- 21:32and we will cook them. And so the way that I would do
- 21:34it is everyone would, would cook the dishes, we'd sit there and
- 21:37then we'd pick the dish apart. Because sometimes on paper
- 21:40things sound delicious and then you try them and they just don't
- 21:43work. And it might be an idea that
- 21:46just it's time hasn't come or you fully don't understand the
- 21:50technique yet. Got to let the cake bake, as
- 21:54they say. So when we get into the creative
- 21:56process, we're all trying the dish.
- 21:58And the creative part is super fun because that's where you get
- 22:02to experiment. That's where it's okay to fail.
- 22:05You know, the guardrails are a little bit looser on the
- 22:06creative portion of the venue. And honestly, that's also
- 22:11sometimes the place where you could get that attention that
- 22:14you need for your restaurant. It's the local press, the write
- 22:18up in the newspaper, whatever the case may be.
- 22:20Sometimes that comes from that 30% because the the people that
- 22:24are writing about food usually write about what's on the
- 22:26fringe. They don't ever write about, you
- 22:28know, the roasted chicken that much.
- 22:29They they write about, you know, the octopus bubbles.
- 22:34Anyway, you get my point. So playing with that 30% on the
- 22:38fringe sometimes is what's going to get you the recognition that
- 22:41you need. And then when my group of chefs
- 22:43would get together and taste if if the dishes up there, we'd all
- 22:46really pick it apart. And for me, in that creative
- 22:51process and that menu ideation phase, it's the time to be the
- 22:55most critical. So we would taste it and we'd
- 22:57say we'd look at it this way. That's how I would look at it.
- 23:00Say we'd look for something balanced, what is the, what's
- 23:02the salt level, what's the heat level, what's the acid level,
- 23:04what's the fat level. And we'd want to make sure, you
- 23:07know, kind of like an equalizer on a stereo, You adjust all the
- 23:09knobs until until the dish just is delicious.
- 23:14And so like, add a little bit more acid, add a little bit more
- 23:17fat, add a little bit more heat, add a little bit more sugar, add
- 23:20a little bit of this, add this gas streak, finish it with olive
- 23:24oil, boom. Then you get it or you know,
- 23:26brighten it up with freshness, maybe it needs more fresh herbs
- 23:29or whatever the case may be. Then you add the texture.
- 23:32And once we'd be really happy with how the plate tastes, then
- 23:37we start with refining the presentation on it.
- 23:40So the presentation was, was after the taste.
- 23:43So do another podcast on taste versus presentation.
- 23:46So presentation came after taste.
- 23:49Once it tastes good, then we can work on the presentation to make
- 23:51sure it looks good, right? And this was a good exercise for
- 23:54us to really be critical and pick things apart to make sure
- 23:58that that final product was excellent.
- 24:00Now a lot of restaurants don't change their menu that
- 24:05frequently. So, you know, pro tip when
- 24:09you're changing your menu, make sure that everything's costed
- 24:11weight measures. Make sure everyone has recipes
- 24:13before you start. Before you roll the menu out,
- 24:16make sure people have seen it. There's nothing worse than a
- 24:19menu change when you walk into work and you have no idea
- 24:22because you've never seen any of the dishes.
- 24:23So chefs, make sure you're communicating that that's the
- 24:27worst. Don't do that.
- 24:28But I'll tell you, sometimes you do get in these creative ruts.
- 24:31A lot of times people message me and say, what would you do when
- 24:33you're in a creative rut? Like sometimes it happens.
- 24:36When I was younger, I was the chef of a place that did a
- 24:40tasting menu only restaurant and we had to change the menu every
- 24:43day. My boss at that place happened
- 24:47to be a big fan of, you know, Thomas Keller and The French
- 24:49Laundry and Charlie Trotter and said they change their menu
- 24:52every day. You need to change your menu
- 24:53every day. And so he never allowed me to
- 24:56repeat an ingredient twice, which is extremely difficult.
- 25:00And it sounds good until like you're on day two or day three,
- 25:04day five, day 20. It's like, shit.
- 25:06You have to make 8 to 10 courses that are different that you've
- 25:09never done before. I would do better at it now
- 25:11because now I think I'd probably come up with a better system.
- 25:13But back then I thought every single day I had to come up with
- 25:15something original. You didn't have to do that.
- 25:16Like you could have said, you know, you make a grit and you
- 25:20say, here are my sauces, here are my my sides, here are my
- 25:22beefs. And then you, you kind of like a
- 25:24matrix and say, let's put this with this, with this today.
- 25:27But anyway, those types of restaurants are much more create
- 25:32creative, and they probably don't play in that 7030 role,
- 25:35especially when you're talking about restaurants on the World's
- 25:3750 Best. It's their job to play in the
- 25:41creative in the abstract, right? But let's be honest, not
- 25:46everyone's in that world. Like, you know, a couple of
- 25:49people will get on my social and like, talk crap and be like, Oh
- 25:52no creativity. I'm out.
- 25:54And then you look at their page and it's like, dude, you're
- 25:56serving like, filet with asparagus.
- 25:59What are you talking about creativity anyway?
- 26:03There's true creativity, right? And then there's like, I just
- 26:06want to cook my food. I don't want to be told what to
- 26:08do. So, like, everyone needs to calm
- 26:10down and understand that there's a difference there.
- 26:12And it's extremely difficult to work in these places that change
- 26:15the menu and shout out to restaurants that do that.
- 26:17Shout out to David Breeden from The French Laundry changes the
- 26:20menu every day. And one of the best restaurants
- 26:24in the world, those guys are ninjas.
- 26:25Like you look at what they do and you look at if you change
- 26:29the menu every day in 10 years, how many dishes is that?
- 26:314005 thousand? I don't know.
- 26:34It's a lot. Shout out to those guys that
- 26:36have to live that life. It's not for everybody.
- 26:38It's extremely difficult. It's extremely creative and
- 26:42very, very elite chefs. Anyway, that's going to wrap it
- 26:45up. So hopefully now you can leave
- 26:49with a better game plan and make sure you have a good mix of
- 26:52items that are going to sell. Make sure you have some items
- 26:54that are creative and that you can experiment with, but be
- 26:57ready to take them off the menu rapidly.
- 26:59Have a couple of things that are going to get people in to take
- 27:02photos and get them in the doors and gain attention for your
- 27:06restaurant. But most importantly, cook and
- 27:09have fun. Anyway.
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