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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP25 - Making Of Myths (feat. Hjeron O'sidhe) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Jesse here from midgard musings. The random even rambling podcast
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  is fully underway today. Got a very special guests lined
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  up, a guest who I've been wanting to bring on this podcast
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  since last year. A man of many talents, a man of
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  mystery, a man of myth. I'm going to hold off on
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  pronouncing his name. Because I think I know the
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  correct pronunciation of it but I don't want to speak out of
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  This month's Rune reading green cast for you all the from from
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  getting covid at the beginning of the month and and moving into
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  some new work duties, responsibilities roles things of
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  that nature. It's been a little bit hectic
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  and I know it's weird. How things have landed Or this
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  time of year for me in the past that it always tends to.
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  I don't know just kind of Set things off on an interesting
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  foot. But we're managing, we're
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  getting through it and I hope you all are as well.
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  We've got some frankincense dual action going here, double
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  barrel. Double barrel action, like in
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  the wild west, baby. All right, do you want to send
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  out a quick reminder to everybody in the Middle
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  Tennessee area? That the Middle Tennessee?
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  Heathens Facebook group that I pretty much run.
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  To to help bring people of various polytheistic pass, or
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  interest or kind of together. We have recently started to have
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  public meetups and the next one here in Murfreesboro.
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  Tennessee is taking place. Once again at the McCallister's,
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  McAlister's Deli on Medical Center on July, believe us a 30
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  if it's the last Saturday of this month.
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  So not this coming weekend but the So if you want the details
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  notes of this podcast, the video description, wherever, show
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  notes. And if it's the podcast video
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  description area, if it's the YouTube Premiere, so that's
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  pretty much the biggest. I don't know news activities.
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  Things coming off coming around here in the Middle Tennessee
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  area. It's still hot as balls out
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  here. Ladies and gentlemen, it is You
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  know, going on to 12 months of very oppressive heat and I'm
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  freaking over it. This Northern boy doesn't do
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  well in the Heat and II. Can't wait for things to start
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  chilling out, quite literally probably going to be waiting for
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  at least another two months for that to happen at the very
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  least, you know, it's bad. When you can't even sit outside
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  at the end of the day, when the Sun goes down and enjoy a drink,
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  or a pipe or something out. Outside in the cool air, it's
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  bad. When you know, it's 95 degrees
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  at like 9:00 at night. But anyway, it is what it is.
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  It's what I get for you know moving to Tennessee and setting
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  up residence here. So You know, we gotta roll with
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  the punches either that or get the hell out as they say, right.
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  But I don't plan on going anywhere, not on the long term,
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  my wife, my life is here. So yeah, it's going to have to
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  deal with it but all right, I think that pretty much does it.
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  For all of the housekeeping type stuff.
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  Again, very excited to welcome in our guest today.
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  You may know his face and voice from his various projects,
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  including the weirding way. Maker Productions.
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  Believe there's a YouTube channel is going to be all kinds
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  of information that he's going to be sharing with me today.
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  And once again, I do not want to mispronounce his name, so I will
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  introduce you soon. As I bring him in here, to join
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  us on this week's episode of the random, human ramblings podcast.
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  Let's welcome them in. All right, folks, we do have a
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  very special guest. As I mentioned earlier, coming
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  to us remotely from Canada in the British Columbia regions.
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  So, welcome to the podcast Heron.
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  Oh she thanks so much. Yeah, it's great to be here from
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  deep in the Valhalla mountains of Canada, is that literally
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  their name. Like, if we were to try to get
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  to these mountain ranges in Canada, is if the Valhalla
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  mountains? It's actually the Valhalla
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  mountains, it's Valhalla. I live right edge of Valhalla
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  Park. Actually lived off-grid
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  literally on the border of Valhalla park for about four
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  years with full off-grid power. And my backyard was like, as far
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  as humans could, walk will learn where the Valhalla mountains
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  named after all the old gods. And then on the other mountain
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  range is actually Mount Loki. Mountain, Loki is not in the
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  valhalla's. That's, that's a that's
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  appropriate, right? Yeah.
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  Is that guy he's, he's kind of been, you know, he had his
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  chances with as Garden. They kind of gave me the old
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  boot, as it were. There's a mellow key here, but
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  it's on the other side of another mountain range.
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  Gotcha, gotcha, and your native to British Columbia, right?
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  You're you're a morning already. I did grow up in Canada and was
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  born in Canada. I grew up out eastern, Ontario
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  and removed. British Columbia in my 20s.
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  My early 20s. Fantastic.
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  My band. And a lot of it bellick hippie
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  busts from some hippies and are rock, and metal Peg, and bands,
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  drove across Canada, and landed in the mountains here, and
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  stayed in British Columbia. That must have been a I mean, I
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  can only imagine is like driving.
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  I've driven cross-country here in the US and just seeing the
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  different Landscapes, seeing the transition from how it is on the
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  east coast of the United States to how it is on the west coast.
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  I'm sure that there's Maybe some similar Transitions and things
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  from from going across Canada east to west.
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  But it's such a mind-blowing thing.
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  When you, you know, see the Rockies or you know, you travel
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  across the Badlands or you're you know, going across like
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  Death Valley or just some of these other like really iconic.
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  Geographical locations was kind of the equivalent from growing
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  up around New York and traveling to California.
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  Hmm. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So I'm originally from New York,
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  you know? And I moved to Tennessee and
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  since moving to Tennessee about 16 years ago or so I've traveled
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  all almost all of the lower 48, you know, Continental lower 48,
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  United States. Haven't been to Alaska, haven't
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  been to of all places Montana like, I've somehow happened to
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  Miss Montana and Idaho but those three places I haven't been to
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  but all of the rest of the lower 48 and I've been to Hawaii to
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  which is a amazing location if you've never been nice.
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  Nice. But yeah guys um yeah so Heron
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  Great Name by the way for those that follow what I do, you know
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  on them The midgard musings page and some of the stuff that I
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  post about, I've really gotten into going on these like
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  Barefoot nature walks as part of kind of, like, just my mental
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  health vacations, you know, like taking care of myself,
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  physically, spiritually holistically, going out into
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  nature, walking barefoot and walking through this River.
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  And as of late, there's been a very active presence of The
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  water bird, a heron and even though your name is not spelled
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  the same way, it is pronounced as it is, you know, the actual
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  bird. So it's kind of neat to me just
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  to know like we've talked around having you on this podcast,
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  almost, I think since last year, you know, and and you had some
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  other projects and things going on, which I'm anxious to talk
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  about, you know, the things that you're known for and what you're
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  involved in. So it's really great to finally
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  get, you know, we've had some other scheduling hiccups along
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  the way but we're here we are. Finally, more than halfway
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  through this year, finally, getting a chance to sit down and
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  talk. So it's pretty special for me
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  and really appreciate your, you know, presence here and being
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  being available. Great.
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  I'm stoked to be here. Stokes chat.
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  Great. So I do want to talk about when
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  I when I, when I think, when I first met you online, I don't
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  even remember exactly the correlation of the connection
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  and it might have been through some like Pagan music group or
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  Thing like that. But following what you do, so
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  publicly, you've got your hands in many different pots or you
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  wear many different hats. So once you kind of share with
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  the people here, what it is you do in the entertainment sector
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  and then some things that people might be aware of or know about.
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  Yeah, I mean, what I've done, the longest and most recognized
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  for, in most known for is mythmaker Productions.
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  So myth maker. ER, is a pagan Heathen ritual,
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  theater production company that I've been doing for over 20
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  years, and it all started from Pagan ceremony and Pagan ritual
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  like different, you know, backgrounds that I learned from
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  and I never went to theater school, you know?
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  I'm not a theater director that went to a university or anything
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  like that. I learned ritual in a
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  traditional traditional Scottish witchcraft coven, and that's
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  where my theater came from, and that was a lot of the The ways
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  that the high priestess practiced was a lot about
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  invocation and and really drawing down the gods and
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  drawing down, you know, animistic characteristics into
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  us. And so that's kind of where my
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  theater background came from and mythmaker.
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  Kind of started out here in the valhalla's.
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  I studied traditional Scottish witchcraft in out east.
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  And then when I came out here, there was a lot of big kind of
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  pagan hippie, Gatherings, but not a lot of people really knew
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  what they were doing magically either than like singing and
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  dancing and drumming under the full moon.
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  And I was like, you know, you can, you can do things with
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  that. And so, we started doing giant
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  Pagan, Gatherings on the holidays, on the full moons.
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  Summer solstice things like that summer, solstice was the biggest
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  one and, and basically We you know, after several years of a
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  bunch of us locally collaborating with that and me
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  being the ritual leader doing like 500-person rituals in these
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  big Festival, kind of atmospheres, we cleared the
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  space. The one time we built this whole
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  Gateway and I like rows of didgeridoos and some sage and
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  things like that. Have people come back for the
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  full moon rich or for the summer solstice ritual.
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  And there was this one guy with his kid and he was like really
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  uncomfortable. And he was like What's going on
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  here? What is all this?
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  And I was like, well, we're doing a summer solstice ritual
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  with the community. And, you know, music, I didn't
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  come for this. And I was like, well, it's on
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  the poster and we're going to base and bring it back in and he
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  was very uncomfortable with the whole thing and it kind of you
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  know, we did the ceremony in the ritual and it was amazing. 500
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  people dancing around the fire, like music, all kinds of things
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  very nondenominational in that scenario, which is very
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  animistic and but it really Hit me.
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  I was like this guy was really scared, you know, and I
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  understand like the culture Christianity and all that around
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  you know paganism and even ISM and that.
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  But for myself I was like in these small communities, you
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  know, like are we preaching to the converted?
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  You know, is it all like the Pagan and heathens and people
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  comfortable with that that are comfortable, but what about the
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  Grandeur community? And that's, you know, in the
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  Covenant and one of the things I learned because I practiced
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  Solitaire before that was how much true?
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  Additional Scottish Witchcraft. And a lot of these northern
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  European Pagan Traditions were about Community weren't just
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  about one person. I was about to commit a family
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  in a community surviving in nature through animistic
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  perceptions of how we engage with nature and magic.
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  And so it's kind of how mythmaker start was out of that
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  ritual. The next year, I was like, well,
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  let's do a show, let's do a theatrical production and we'll
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  still, you know, do the magic but will do.
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  Is an interactive kind of theatrical production with
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  stories and characters in the whole thing.
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  And so that was the birth of myth maker of ritual theater.
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  And then, the whole Community is involved, you know, and like
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  Grandma Ginny and Little Billy there.
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  What could the guy with the fire swords Billy?
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  Isn't that cool? And meanwhile, I got like, you
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  know, the horn crown on and I'm like, invoking the ancient gods,
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  you know, but at the same time, it's a more tangible Tramp, you
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  know, for the Grandeur community and so that was the beginning of
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  mythmaker about 20 some odd years.
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  Years ago and since then I've got a giant green antlered tour
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  bus and you Gara that we travel around the west coast of North
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  America doing ritual, theater festivals.
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  So I've done that for a long time and then before that I was
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  in bands and played music and so at some point through mythmaker,
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  I realized this needs to be a band.
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  This needs I was always writing a soundtracks and doing a lot of
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  the interactive stuff with theater.
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  And storytelling, but I was like, really, to engage with
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  Cults, engage with culture, and to take this, to the next level,
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  and he's to be a band. Music was always my first
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  Passion and so, that's where the weirding way begin.
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  And so, the weirding way was mythmaker into a full like
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  Heathen Pagan progressive rock psychedelic, you know, ritual
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  music scenario with the aspects of mythmaker to it.
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  So, really weirding way in mythmaker are both from Um the
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  same Visionary route from the same inspiration of animism and
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  ritual. And you know in those things and
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  in the weirding way I'm doing like you know I've got the horn
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  and I'm doing the Mead ceremonies and the music is all
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  deeply cathartic. And you know very to Laskin
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  border, una huiling asking, you know, and it's it's hybrid isms.
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  And yeah, so that's it was the weirding way psychedelic Megan.
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  He then shame on and 7-piece with like, 12 to 15.
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  Farmers and antlers and horns and Shields and fire sword, and
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  all that stuff. And then my other personal
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  offering is in more of my animistic shamanic path is the
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  Warrior's path. And that's my whole YouTube
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  channel where I do Rune meditations and counseling and
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  talking about, you know, the Pagan path and the beaten path
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  and how we engage in with each other, and with society.
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  And how to Deconstruct our perception back into some of the
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  old ways. So those are some of the things
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  that's, you know, that's a few of the things that I do.
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  Yeah, takes up for my life. That's, that's what I would say.
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  So, I mean, it sounds, it sounds like an absolute lifestyle.
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  They like, this doesn't, this isn't no, this is no casual, you
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  know, hobby for you. Like, this is life, you live it.
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  I live it. It's pretty much, you know, I
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  eat it for breakfast, I go to sleep at night.
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  Doing this maker weirding way Warrior's path.
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  You know. Right now I'm bringing a whole
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  crew to burning man. I run a hundred and fifty person
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  can burn and a 50-person fire ritual.
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  There we this will be our 12th year the burn and it has a hole
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  Heathen, Pagan Camp. We've got a mead Hall with like
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  five kegs of need and it's my bus now turns into a giant
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  flaming Viking ship. Wow.
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  And yeah, it's like legit people that go out to the uninhabitable
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  desert where, you know, nothing lives out there and eighty
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  thousand persons City, pops up for two weeks and we build our
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  150 person Viking Village in that City and light up the fire
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  swords and you know, build fire-breathing dragons you know
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  to allow But shit I had and I didn't realize the pain.
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  Yeah, I never never. Yeah, I never realized how big
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  of a production just burning man itself was, I watched some
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  videos online and and and I think he has some of them were
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  videos that came through from you or at least were released
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  through the Warriors Path, YouTube channel or somewhere.
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  Like I saw like some of the some of the sequences of events that
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  took place and I'm like hisses, massive.
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  Like this, you know, I'll literally like you say a whole
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  City's population pops up. The middle of nowhere.
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  How does how does, how does that even get coordinated?
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  Like, what is the do you have any insight to that?
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  I mean, you've been a part of it for the last decade.
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  Plus, it's in your way. But like, how is that as I work?
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  It's really interesting. Organic anomaly, the scenario
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  Burning Man, itself, no one could have planned it in the
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  Whether it's evolved from the way that's and really was just
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  an accident. So I don't know if the fates,
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  you know, I don't the norns woven into existence or who
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  were, what did what make this thing happen, but it's a
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  cultural and dominant anomaly, that inspires new paradigm, a
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  new culture, you know, like I didn't go for years.
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  We did ritual theater different festivals and events and we did
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  the midnight ceremonies and for years.
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  People were like, do you go to Burning Man?
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  Your so Burning Man. And, you know, they had a culty
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  glazed. Look about burning man and I
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  found it really Annoying actually.
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  And I was like, no, we do ritual theater.
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  We do intentional theater and burning man.
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  Just sounds like a big debaucherous ship Fest in the
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  desert, like we don't go to Raves, we don't do, you know.
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  That kind of thing. We're like, no, no, you don't
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  understand Burning Man. And I was like, you know, I got
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  I got to pay my heathens like we're surviving like, you know,
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  at that time we were traveling like, two and a half months on
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  my bus and, you know, traveling nomadic lifestyle, you know, in
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  that way. And I'm like, I got to feed
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  these people and burning man doesn't pay anybody, you know,
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  burning man. You know, you gotta buy your
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  ticket to burning man. I was like, will go and someone
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  buys his tickets and the next year, a philanthropist from
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  Spain. My website called me up and was
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  like, I love what you do with the ritual and theater in the
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  mythology and the symbolism like come can't wait to Camp with us
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  a burning men, we don't go and he was like, I'll pay all your
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  gas and pay all your tickets. I got one of my guys want to
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  Burning Man and my tour bus. My greenhorn blew blew up the
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  transmission blew that summer, and I called them up to cancel
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  and he was like, how much is another bus?
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  And so, the bus that I have now that turned into To the giant
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  dragon stage was actually bought for us to go to Burning Man.
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  The philanthropist bought us a new bus now and I showed up on
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  pause as they call it and desert and I put my foot in my mouth, I
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  was so wrong. I gave me hope for Humanity.
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  I got there and I was like this is the most amazing thing.
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  I think I've ever seen or heard of humans doing, you know in my
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  mind was blown seven times in the first day of just, you know
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  it's a gift culture. Radical self-reliance.
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  So everyone brings what they need.
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  I've been you know something my perceptions been training for
• 22:50
  the apocalypse since I was like four years old.
• 22:52
  So for me this is ideal apocalypse training for when the
• 22:55
  shit hits the fan and it all goes down.
• 22:57
  Those of us that have really adapted to the way a burning man
• 23:00
  are going to have an advantage over the rest of society.
• 23:04
  And its you know it wasn't the debaucherous shitshow party that
• 23:08
  I thought it was annoying. People are there and they're
• 23:10
  partying in there, you know and there's like dea raid stages bad
• 23:13
  but really We it's a new it's a whole other Paradigm.
• 23:17
  Like Just the concept of gays to come.
• 23:22
  So, outside of our Western consumer culture, it takes days
• 23:26
  to acclimatize to the fact that you got radical self-reliance.
• 23:29
  So you bring everything you need and then it's a gift economy.
• 23:32
  So you bring things to give and everywhere is just people
• 23:35
  looking you in the eye for wanting to, you know, teach each
• 23:38
  other things show each other things, give each other things,
• 23:41
  and it's like, it's phenomenal. And then you got guys would like
• 23:44
  flamethrowers like, you know, where like people burning giant
• 23:47
  release and, you know, there's A temple there, that all we people
• 23:52
  is a non-denominational Temple. People, go pray in the temple,
• 23:55
  right? Things on the walls, leaves,
• 23:57
  things from their loved ones that have passed away.
• 23:59
  And you know, Saturday night, the man and burns with theirs,
• 24:04
  which is this giant, you know, Crescendo of cacophony of
• 24:09
  insanity. That one of the man burns is
• 24:11
  just explosive and like cathartic.
• 24:14
  And then the next night, Sunday night the temple burn and it's
• 24:17
  80 thousand people dead. Silent, you can hear the temple
• 24:20
  crackle and people are just crying and like releasing, you
• 24:23
  know, into into these ritual. Like it's ancient ritual,
• 24:28
  brought back for culture and some people go.
• 24:30
  And that, you know, it's an ambient experience for them in
• 24:33
  that in that ritual way and other people, whether they
• 24:36
  intentionally know it or just succumb to the symbolism of it
• 24:40
  in the ritual of it. It really affects perception.
• 24:44
  And I've seen, oh yeah, huge transformation there with people
• 24:48
  like berdych and I mean, the desert does it to like two weeks
• 24:51
  in the desert, going to kick the shit out of you.
• 24:53
  So it's humbling, you know and then same that the dust storms
• 24:55
  there. It's like, you got 80,000,
• 24:56
  people partying, and building heart and doing all these
• 24:59
  things. And when that dust storm comes
• 25:00
  in, everyone is equal, everyone's, you know, huddled in
• 25:04
  a tent or got a dust mask and goggles on, and it's just like
• 25:07
  nature. The raw power of nature is come
• 25:09
  in and humbled, everyone for that moment when it passes
• 25:13
  everyone rebuilds and celebrate crates.
• 25:17
  So, yeah, it's really, it's really interesting and it's I
• 25:18
  heard it from a loose Pagan ritual, like the founder Larry
• 25:22
  Harvey. It started in San Francisco and
• 25:25
  his girlfriend broke up with him and he was having some really
• 25:30
  emotional scenario. So he built a burning man down
• 25:33
  on the beach Baker's beach in San Francisco and in about 60,
• 25:37
  people are so circled around and they did this who will have
• 25:40
  released The Burning Man and and that was its early, early roots
• 25:44
  and then everybody loved it so much.
• 25:46
  The next year, they were like, let's do it again and they built
• 25:48
  a big Bigger, man, brought it down to the baker's Beach, and,
• 25:51
  you know, and the police were like, you can't do that here.
• 25:55
  And so, they stopped it and it's some of the people from the
• 25:56
  KakaoTalk ID in San Francisco and some other groups were like
• 26:00
  well we know where you can go and do anything you want.
• 26:02
  And that's when they went out to the Nevada, desert and started
• 26:05
  burning man and the first years Super Mad Max like it was real.
• 26:09
  It was like really crazy and now it's huge and international so
• 26:13
  there's no the organization of it has there's a little more
• 26:18
  safe. Rules then.
• 26:19
  Yeah, you know, you talk about things like ritual theater and
• 26:24
  the cathartic elements of the whether it's music whether it's
• 26:28
  you know watching someone perform with flaming blades or
• 26:32
  shooting fire or just the Burning Man the the burning of
• 26:36
  this large. Figure and the cathartic
• 26:40
  elements about it. You know when when I first got
• 26:43
  into you know paganism about seven or eight years ago and it
• 26:47
  was you know a northern European dramatic path that I followed,
• 26:50
  you know, it was it was very I was very new into it.
• 26:53
  I came into this, you know, from previously being Christian my
• 26:57
  whole life. So the whole religious aspect of
• 27:00
  the World Views, the the ceremonial the, the ritual
• 27:04
  aspects of things was very new to me.
• 27:07
  I hadn't quite ever felt Thing like what I feel now but the
• 27:11
  things that I have felt ever since coming into this path have
• 27:15
  have occurred when I'm doing things on a much smaller scale
• 27:19
  but the things like what you're talking about like we have
• 27:22
  usually once a year during one of our holy Tides.
• 27:27
  Usually I think it we've traditionally been doing it in
• 27:29
  during like the Seeger bloat welcoming of the summer.
• 27:32
  Type events will will build will build the Wicker man.
• 27:35
  He's about maybe 6 feet, 7 feet tall, All tops, but it's
• 27:39
  assembled from the branches and the twine in the straw and stuff
• 27:43
  that we collect ourselves by hand.
• 27:46
  And everybody in our little group, puts their hands to the
• 27:49
  assembly of this figure. So when you set fire to them and
• 27:55
  and everything like to just the release of it and I don't know
• 27:58
  it's on a much smaller scale but I get the relation of it and it
• 28:02
  is. It's so You know, you can't
• 28:07
  compare that to anything else that I've ever experienced in
• 28:10
  life, whether you know, going to church, right?
• 28:12
  Let's say you're or any other sort of not taken away from
• 28:15
  people that find Value in that. And that Find meaning in that
• 28:18
  because that's not the same things aren't for everybody.
• 28:21
  But I don't know man. Like I love how you talk about
• 28:26
  the ritual theater and I'm hoping we could talk a little
• 28:28
  bit about that you know, combining your spirituality or
• 28:34
  or putting focus and giving life to those things because
• 28:38
  otherwise it's just, you know, what do you read in a book?
• 28:40
  You know the stories that were told by mouth but then you're
• 28:43
  taking those stores or you're applying those the methos and
• 28:47
  you're bringing it to Life by acting It Out by putting on the
• 28:51
  Persona. Bye-bye.
• 28:51
  Dawning. The ritual Garb I've been given
• 28:54
  so Shit over that over the years.
• 28:55
  You know, I get told that I'm possessed or that I'm, you know,
• 28:59
  evil or whatever. Because of the face painter,
• 29:01
  because of the look that I have, and I'm like, but it's, it's
• 29:04
  part of the ritual. It's embracing that aspect of
• 29:08
  your spirituality and really letting it carry you and and it
• 29:12
  carries others because they absorb it, they see it, they
• 29:15
  experienced it, you know? And you don't see that much in
• 29:21
  like your traditional Western. Culture, you know?
• 29:27
  And I mean it is it's, it's transformational, you know?
• 29:30
  And I say, you know, I warn the crew when we're training, I'm
• 29:34
  like, okay, like here we are we're doing a theater show or
• 29:36
  we're going to Burning Man, or going to be specimens or doing
• 29:38
  whatever and it's like, but this is ritual theater.
• 29:41
  This is deep symbolic. You know, archetypical
• 29:45
  embodiments that were tapping into, like, you know, we're here
• 29:48
  to do this to help transform and create a cathartic experience
• 29:52
  for the audience, but it's going to happen.
• 29:54
  You first you know it's like when your audience the gods and
• 29:58
  your embodying the animal spirits you know it has an
• 30:02
  effect on perception and Consciousness you know and I
• 30:05
  danced in many worlds and hold many perspectives, I've studied
• 30:09
  a lot of different traditions and mythologies from around the
• 30:11
  world and rituals from around the world.
• 30:13
  Now, I also see studied depth psychology and jungian
• 30:17
  psychology and things like that. And there's, you know, there's
• 30:19
  that symbolic archetypical embodiment that really catalyzes
• 30:28
  and transforms perception and Consciousness can make things
• 30:32
  happen. And now, whether that's like on
• 30:35
  a realm of like deep metaphysical, you know, magical
• 30:40
  scenarios or symbolic psychological scenarios.
• 30:43
  Now, I hold many different Perceptions in that, but what I
• 30:46
  do see is that it works and really that's the tools that I'm
• 30:49
  looking for in the tools that I'm looking to utilize this
• 30:51
  like, you know, I'm not quite sure how it works on the depth
• 30:55
  of the depth of it, you know, whether it's, you know,
• 30:58
  psychological or whether it's deep metaphysical, but I see the
• 31:01
  transformation, I see what it does, to the people embodying,
• 31:05
  you know, the animal spirits and the gods and ancestors and the
• 31:09
  people in the audience that, you know, that witness it people
• 31:14
  that come up afterwards and are just like that was like nothing
• 31:18
  I've ever life-changing. I felt.
• 31:19
  Yeah, yeah, but I've never felt before and it's, you know, it's
• 31:22
  been lost in our culture and that's we're here to reclaim
• 31:25
  that, you know, and that's like the whole myth make the whole
• 31:28
  myth maker, it's like we're here to make those myths.
• 31:30
  Were to study the Ancient Ancient tales in the ancient
• 31:33
  scenarios, but we're here to make a new myth, you know.
• 31:36
  And that's what the artists would do, you know, to quote,
• 31:39
  you know, to Loosely quote turns McKenna who is a phenomenal They
• 31:43
  are of Consciousness and perception through the
• 31:45
  Psychedelic and shamanic Realms, but he said that was always the
• 31:49
  job of the artist was to pave, new ways for culture.
• 31:54
  And in this culture Artisan in lost, our artists have been, you
• 31:57
  know, slaves are lured and all kinds of stuff, you know.
• 32:01
  Yeah, yeah. So if you're a creative artist,
• 32:02
  you get censored, or you get, you know, shoved in a corner and
• 32:06
  if you know, if you're a popular artist, you get told what to do
• 32:09
  by the culture and by the media machine.
• 32:12
  So it's just propagating. This The same bye-bye shock
• 32:15
  shock shallow shallow as opposed you know the role of the the
• 32:20
  Deep ritualistic artist that was the original.
• 32:23
  Purveyor of art was like that channeling the Divine that that
• 32:27
  magic Spirit coming through and that artist tapping the unknown
• 32:31
  to lead culture into a new myth into a new narrative into the
• 32:35
  new story and our culture's been looping.
• 32:39
  Because those that we've the new narrative have been feeding the
• 32:43
  old narrative, Liv that's shallow and disconnected.
• 32:46
  And so and gets, you know, to inspire and empower the artist
• 32:51
  tap into magic again to tap into that inspiration, where we're
• 32:54
  being controversial, we're bringing new ideas.
• 32:57
  We're bringing new Pathways new ways to think educating, right?
• 33:00
  Yeah. And it's tricky in this world
• 33:02
  because that's not what this world Embraces, but it seems
• 33:05
  like that this world really needs.
• 33:08
  So yeah. So we're good, it's not easy.
• 33:11
  No. I mean, I think I speak for A
• 33:13
  lot of people in that, you know, individuals like yourself in
• 33:17
  groups that you have assembled, and people who share the like
• 33:21
  mind as you. I think I speak for a lot of
• 33:25
  people and that we appreciate that, because it does help a lot
• 33:30
  of folks, tap into that side of things that have been yearning
• 33:35
  to break free, right? It's been like underneath the
• 33:38
  surface for so long that we just have been blind to it.
• 33:42
  And, you know, I've recently had some guests on here that also
• 33:47
  have shamanic practices, you know, jmo, listen, filled with
• 33:51
  your Workshop, James from the Ravens, say chilling out in
• 33:55
  Australia and some others, you know, so much of this.
• 34:00
  So much of these practices have been have been turning more
• 34:03
  towards the animism, the, the living nature aspects and you
• 34:08
  can't really talk about these types of things without bringing
• 34:11
  up, you know, people like McKenna and and and some others
• 34:15
  that are of that of just, you know, Pioneers, paved the way
• 34:18
  really set the, the whole tone for these types of things.
• 34:23
  And I really think that because of that and because of because
• 34:27
  we're not over here, just talking about tripping shrooms
• 34:29
  bro, you know, like Because it's not that it's deeper than that.
• 34:32
  Those may be aspects or elements to certain, you know, the
• 34:38
  application, you know, in the addition of those psychedelics
• 34:41
  and what not like I'm an advocate for it and I think that
• 34:43
  it's they have their place, but we're not just sitting here
• 34:46
  talking about getting messed up. Like we're talking about living
• 34:51
  a living spirituality, a living way at something that you just
• 34:55
  you wake up, you live throughout your day, you go to bed and the
• 34:59
  cycle repeats. It's and it's just the natural
• 35:02
  living aspect being connected to life around us.
• 35:07
  That has always been there. We've been able to see it exists
• 35:11
  and we can we know that it exists, but our connection to
• 35:14
  that level of existence is heightened.
• 35:19
  When we talk about, you know, the, the healing nature of the
• 35:21
  drum or the, or the ceremonial ritual, theater practices, like
• 35:25
  it's, and so many people are into that and do the things that
• 35:29
  you like, you do. And others that you mentioned
• 35:31
  like worth Runa and how long in Midland and some of these other
• 35:34
  ceremonial bands that bring this to their performance.
• 35:39
  It awakens this I think Primal nature within a lot of us you
• 35:42
  know. Absolutely.
• 35:44
  And that's the thing as what are, you know, what are the
• 35:46
  tools? You know, these are tools for us
• 35:48
  to tap into a more Primal aspect of ourself a more in tune with
• 35:52
  nature, more ancient part of our self and there's a power there.
• 35:55
  There's a power there that's been missing from our community
• 35:58
  you know in the culture at Large.
• 36:00
  You know, has trained us away from those Powers you know and
• 36:03
  that's a much bigger conversation.
• 36:06
  Yeah. Philosophy and culture and
• 36:08
  perceptual conversations but yeah, utilizing those tools, you
• 36:12
  know, and like I'm an advocate for responsible use of plant
• 36:14
  medicines. I've said a lot of traditions,
• 36:17
  everything from potentials of how it was used in, you know,
• 36:21
  our northern European cultures to, you know, I spent 20 years
• 36:24
  in the Native American Church peyote church.
• 36:27
  I've been down to Mexico. I work with plant medicines in.
• 36:30
  Aspects for a long time and I mean, even the roots of all of
• 36:35
  mythmaker and what I'm doing, you know, I was interested in
• 36:39
  studying in traditional northern European ways before I played
• 36:45
  with and dabbled with psychedelics.
• 36:47
  But psychedelics were really what opened me up to a lot of
• 36:50
  this, you know. It's yeah.
• 36:51
  They awaken you to the yeah, I don't know.
• 36:54
  That's new layer when and, you know, and that's kind of like,
• 36:58
  you know, I was kind of told to go do this.
• 37:00
  Whatever, you know, aspect that was when I was a lot younger.
• 37:03
  And when I was studying in the coven and I was curious about
• 37:07
  plant medicines because, you know, we're eating a little bit,
• 37:09
  some mushrooms at parties as a teenager kind of thing.
• 37:11
  And I was like, there's something I don't think this is
• 37:14
  what people think it is and you know, and I my teacher asked the
• 37:19
  high priestess. I was like, well what about
• 37:20
  plant medicines and she was like, oh, be careful with that.
• 37:23
  Like you know, we do work with that but in like higher levels
• 37:27
  of initiation when you really have your foundations and you're
• 37:29
  really know what Doing then archery you know, works with
• 37:33
  mushrooms and things like that but only in certain situations.
• 37:37
  So I really suggest against it and she knew me so well she was
• 37:40
  like and I know when you don't listen to me and you go do it
• 37:43
  anyway they you should hide it from me and come to me.
• 37:47
  And so, yeah. The next weekend, I had a party
• 37:49
  at my jam. Hold my band and I ate seven
• 37:51
  grams of mushroom caps. You know, how did my hand?
• 37:55
  It was like, what do you got? Like, there's something here.
• 37:58
  What do you got? And I had them.
• 38:00
  In Dental, other worldly life expanding dissolving into the
• 38:06
  cosmic Universe. Like seeing all my past, like I
• 38:09
  had the most transcendental experience, you know, I'd had up
• 38:13
  until then that shattered my world view and, you know, and
• 38:16
  something in that told me to go do these things that I'm doing.
• 38:20
  And so that's kind of been like part of the passion and part of
• 38:23
  the drive of what I've been doing is, you know, something in
• 38:26
  the animistic, unconsciousness through the The plant medicines
• 38:31
  and ritual said, go do these things and it's been a fun ride
• 38:35
  the whole time. So it's been a lot of work now,
• 38:38
  it's brought a lot of perception and Magic into the world and
• 38:41
  I've seen how it's affected people and I'm still here
• 38:46
  plugging away. Yeah, I mean and that's got to
• 38:48
  be rewarding, you know, when you, when you've devoted your
• 38:52
  life to something and have touched people's lives in ways
• 38:56
  that it's visible to you, you know, like, you can see the The
• 39:00
  impact on the world or on a group, you know, that you have.
• 39:03
  And I mean, that's, that's rewarding and it inspires you
• 39:06
  to, to keep at it, you know, I somewhat so much of where I've
• 39:13
  kind of arrived at my stage of the game, you know, where, where
• 39:16
  I've where I came from to where I am now and then obviously not
• 39:20
  knowing where I'm sometimes. I don't, you know, like I think
• 39:23
  I know where I'm going. But at on the other hand, I'm
• 39:25
  also just kind of like just cruising like I'll get to
• 39:28
  wherever I get. However, I get there.
• 39:30
  I really have no destination in mind.
• 39:31
  I'm just well, whatever happens along the way.
• 39:34
  I'm just gonna, you know, deal with it.
• 39:36
  But, you know, like, I talked about earlier, like, Me coming
• 39:41
  from Christianity into paganism and specifically like dramatic
• 39:44
  or Norse paganism. It was all about the gods, this
• 39:47
  the gods that we're, and I had absolutely no freaking clue
• 39:52
  about really what that meant and it wasn't until I stepped away
• 39:57
  from that aspect of things and got closer to my community, got
• 40:01
  closer to my people and closer to like my immediate
• 40:04
  spirituality like my ancestors and the local spirits that dwell
• 40:08
  near and around me the land, the house.
• 40:10
  You know, all of the various seen and unseen Spiritual Beings
• 40:16
  that are as sentient. And as present as we as humans,
• 40:20
  are we just maybe can't see them with the physical eye, but they
• 40:23
  are there, it wasn't really until then that I realized like,
• 40:27
  huh. Now now I focus on that more and
• 40:31
  I connect more with that started, realizing that the path
• 40:36
  to the gods is later on, in the practice of things.
• 40:41
  It's not the first thing that one should come to in my, in my
• 40:46
  humble opinion, right? It's not it.
• 40:47
  You may get that kind of like shocking romantic attraction to
• 40:53
  the gods, or to the sacred, but you're not even.
• 40:56
  I don't think so many people are really Going to fully get that
• 41:01
  connection to them because they are there different than us
• 41:04
  there. That it's to me at least it's,
• 41:05
  you know, a separation between the sacred and the profane.
• 41:07
  There's there's a definite difference between us as beings
• 41:11
  and how we are a part of this, these Realms, this, this world
• 41:16
  this universe, so connecting in that way.
• 41:19
  Take some time and it takes Connecting to our higher selves,
• 41:23
  our are more Primal deeper spiritual knit, natural forms to
• 41:28
  to even get close to connecting to such.
• 41:33
  The Divine beings, you know, I don't know that.
• 41:36
  That's just kind of where I've that's where I'm at right now.
• 41:38
  That's where I've come from. Some of the things I've
• 41:40
  experienced. Yeah, and it's building
• 41:44
  relationship. You know like that says, learn
• 41:46
  from a lot of the teachers that I work with, you know, and I
• 41:48
  worked. You know, I worked with some you
• 41:50
  know, Rufus, vulvas from from Norway that we've done.
• 41:53
  Like, you know, deep deep journeying into, you know, the
• 41:56
  ancient Norse Traditions, I've studied in Celtic witchcraft.
• 42:00
  I've studied in, you know, in place of animistic cultures
• 42:04
  around the world from you know First Nations here with the
• 42:06
  Peyote to down in Mexico and down in South America and you
• 42:09
  know and things like that and it's you know as we as we work.
• 42:12
  Avatar, as we work with, you know, whatever, whatever the
• 42:15
  different culture has named for the Unseen Consciousness that
• 42:22
  pervades around us. And that the beings from
• 42:24
  everything. From the little, you know, the
• 42:26
  little tiny gnomish beings to, you know, to the mountain guitar
• 42:30
  to the ancestors, the gods, it's a relationship.
• 42:33
  You know, we're building a healthy relationship, we're
• 42:35
  getting to know and relating with these beings.
• 42:40
  And that's, you know what, some of my, you know, Northern
• 42:42
  Mysteries. Others of, you know, told me
• 42:43
  it's like Alec, you're cultivating a relationship, you
• 42:46
  know. It's I mean, that's absolutely
• 42:49
  100% agree to it kind of goes back to what I was mentioning
• 42:52
  when we first started here and I was introducing you and saying,
• 42:55
  hey, this guy's name is heron like it's his name is.
• 42:58
  Literally the name of a bird that I've come very close to in
• 43:02
  my nature walks and in walking through the river because it's
• 43:04
  like I'm walking in their room. Now I'm taking myself out of my
• 43:08
  house. My my normal severe you know
• 43:11
  civilized living. You know, with my comfortable
• 43:14
  air conditioning in my climate controlled environments.
• 43:17
  And I'm literally stripping down to the, my bare feet, you know,
• 43:21
  my bare skin, and I'm walking in the waters that these creatures,
• 43:25
  these, these beings, these Spirits live in, and getting to
• 43:30
  share space and time and getting close to them and being around
• 43:33
  them. Even if it's just, you know, for
• 43:36
  the moment It's like it kind of no man like it's so it's like a
• 43:40
  gift each time to me to get a chance to share that space and
• 43:45
  it's like, you say, building that relationship.
• 43:48
  And then when you build something, what do you have to
• 43:49
  do? When, after you build it is, you
• 43:51
  have to maintain it. It's not that you just do it
• 43:54
  that one time he like, I've reached my height and self like,
• 43:56
  nah man, you know, you just started the process.
• 44:00
  Now, it's now it's maintaining it now.
• 44:02
  It's continuing that and cultivating and nurturing it,
• 44:04
  and all the things that come with with it, and I think The
• 44:07
  really neat things to think about is how with building
• 44:12
  things. And with cultivating, things,
• 44:15
  death, occurs, destruction, occurs, right?
• 44:18
  Animals things, everything, dies, everything, everything
• 44:21
  Withers, right. There's that dormancy stage.
• 44:23
  There's that time. When things have to be laid to
• 44:26
  rest to be reborn, right? It's not all, just like, oh once
• 44:29
  you're here, you're here. And it's all nice and fun and
• 44:32
  pretty and happy and you know you're friends with each other
• 44:35
  and you know, things get lost. Lost things died away and
• 44:39
  things. Sometimes, you have to let
• 44:40
  things go but it's part of that relationship building and
• 44:44
  maintaining like, I don't know how you think about that but to
• 44:46
  me it's all part of the greater picture of things.
• 44:51
  Yeah, yeah. We're always shedding you ever
• 44:53
  levels and new layers and, you know, similar to the tower card.
• 44:56
  You know, I've had sex of my Consciousness and perception
• 45:01
  crumble and rebuild enough times that there's a fluidity, their
• 45:05
  thoughts. I go, I don't doubt that the way
• 45:07
  I see the world, Now and you know, in my beliefs or
• 45:10
  perceptions, you know, I don't doubt that they're going to
• 45:13
  crumble again. So you know, to another depth in
• 45:15
  another layer of, you know, of clear perception, you know.
• 45:19
  And we're, you know, when we're taught in this, this broken
• 45:22
  weird, you know, disjointed culture, how to perceive
• 45:25
  reality, and what, the description, the default
• 45:27
  description of reality is and what being a human is, and what
• 45:31
  nature is, you know? And as we loosen, those
• 45:34
  descriptions to seek something, a More closer to the truth.
• 45:39
  You know, the more those descriptions died and those
• 45:43
  parts of us and those constructs of us die, in order to be reborn
• 45:48
  into a deeper understanding, you know, of what is going on in
• 45:52
  nature, what is going on in the universe?
• 45:54
  What is going on in my mind? What is going?
• 45:56
  You know, who am? I is a human, and what it nature
• 45:58
  and wait a minute. The story we were told is
• 46:00
  actually bullshit and nobody knows what the hell's going on,
• 46:03
  okay, right. Oh it's like, you know, they No,
• 46:07
  what's going on? And the story that's got the
• 46:09
  narrative that's going on in the world and the culture, you know,
• 46:12
  is a load of shit to keep us working in factories and, you
• 46:15
  know, monkeys making the goal, you know, as opposed to the old
• 46:19
  ways where it was curiosity. You know, it was that that
• 46:23
  seeking that like what is, you know, like Odin the all-father,
• 46:27
  you know, that's his endless search for wisdom, you know, as
• 46:30
  endless sacrifice for wisdom, you know?
• 46:32
  It's like, what is reality? What is the world?
• 46:35
  What is Magic? What is Going on in the universe
• 46:39
  and how do I engage with that, you know, in my own way and
• 46:45
  there's few, you know, there's been very few people that have
• 46:48
  quested like that. Although there's a movement now,
• 46:51
  where, you know, the old ways are coming back.
• 46:53
  You know, a lot of, you know, from North from Nordic, you
• 46:56
  know, ancient Nordic north of Northern Traditions to all over
• 46:59
  the world. It's like, you know, we're not
• 47:01
  getting burnt at the stake anymore and were able to
• 47:03
  question and be curious. And, you know, I mean could have
• 47:07
  a whole Other podcast about how our culture is going in that,
• 47:11
  you know, in that way are in a larger to the northern Heaton
• 47:15
  culture, you know, and I see, you know, I see a lot of
• 47:18
  challenge in that, I see a lot of baggage being brought from
• 47:22
  the broken default culture into our, you know, Northern heating
• 47:26
  culture. And I saw a lot of fighting in a
• 47:29
  lot of, you know, a lot of those divisionary tactics, you know,
• 47:33
  when there's so much we could come together with You know, and
• 47:37
  there's so, you know, there's so much to learn and it's a having
• 47:40
  that having the All fathers curiosity, having the All
• 47:43
  fathers, you know, ability to break rules, you know, it's
• 47:47
  like, you know, a see so many people gatekeeping and so many
• 47:50
  people, you know, aiming other people, and putting other people
• 47:53
  down there, just coming to the path.
• 47:54
  And I and, you know, I've been on this path for almost 30 years
• 47:57
  now, you know, and it's like what would the all-father?
• 48:00
  Do you know if Blake are you you know, are you walking the steps
• 48:04
  of Odin or you? The people that would oppose
• 48:06
  him? You know, because it wasn't cool
• 48:09
  and it wasn't, you know, it wasn't cool and it wasn't you
• 48:12
  know the way to learn say there. But both ensure learn say there.
• 48:17
  They did, you know? Yeah.
• 48:19
  Do you know if the all-father hung from the tree and brought
• 48:22
  his, I don't remember the word, the term they use for the UPG or
• 48:25
  whatever when you have a personal spiritual experience
• 48:28
  and people talk about it, like it's inauthentic or less
• 48:31
  authentic than like old texts transcribed by Christians, you
• 48:35
  know, and it's will, where do you think those?
• 48:37
  Bold text came from. They came from ancient people,
• 48:40
  ancient shamanic people having personal experience.
• 48:43
  You know and so are you the person that went othon came back
• 48:47
  from hanging from the tree you know and brought the runes, be
• 48:50
  the person that would shame him and laugh and say that's that's
• 48:54
  your, you know, that's not authentic.
• 48:56
  You just made that up, you know, or would you be like oh my God
• 48:59
  like oh my God. You know, just found this person
• 49:03
  just brought back keys in the building blocks of reality and
• 49:06
  how to tap in. You know, to energy Magic and
• 49:09
  perception and a language like wow I want to learn from this
• 49:13
  being, you know, and learn how he did it.
• 49:15
  Not just learn what he brought back but learn how he didn't do
• 49:18
  more of it and that's going to that kind of perspective.
• 49:21
  We'll move our culture and Community forward as opposed to
• 49:24
  the shame blame. I know better than you like, oh,
• 49:27
  well, you can't know if you say that you're wrong, this dada
• 49:30
  dada. Dada.
• 49:30
  It's like, well then Odin would have been wrong and who are you
• 49:33
  to shame the all-father you know, kind of?
• 49:36
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean.
• 49:37
  I mean I've always walked this really weird line where I've
• 49:41
  said before like I'm not what you would call a freaking
• 49:43
  hardcore Reconstructionist type of pagan I do favor a lot of
• 49:49
  what has been documented and I Look to some of the sources as
• 49:53
  bass lines or SSDI. Well how did they do it?
• 49:56
  And where can I? But I also, you know, don't I
• 50:00
  don't discredit and I don't shame anything that happens now
• 50:03
  in today in modern times because kind of like what you were
• 50:06
  saying earlier about how You, we are making the myths, you are
• 50:09
  making the Miss. Now, whether they be are based
• 50:12
  on Ancient myths, but you're you're creating new stories,
• 50:15
  right? We live in Saga times, it's been
• 50:19
  mentioned by a number of people who I admire in this community
• 50:23
  in different ways but we do, we live in Saga time.
• 50:25
  So we are writing stories that get that will get told in the
• 50:29
  days and years to come. And the things that maybe what
• 50:35
  Someone today would look at you and go.
• 50:37
  Oh, well, that's just Malarkey that's bullshit.
• 50:39
  It's, you know, that's your UPG that's that's not traditional
• 50:42
  well, who's to say in the next 100, 200, 500 years, whatever
• 50:46
  that thing that was crack, you know, Shrugged off as being
• 50:50
  bologna is is the basis for someone's ritual practices at
• 50:56
  that time. Right?
• 50:57
  Who's to say that and as we just said like the rooms were Odin's
• 51:01
  UPG or whatever. Right.
• 51:03
  Well you know like so. You take that and learn from it
• 51:07
  and is it tools that work? Or do you shame it before you've
• 51:09
  even given it a chance? You know, and I think that's
• 51:12
  something that, you know, that I thought I think it's a lot of
• 51:14
  the baggage, that that are heat and communities bringing from
• 51:18
  the broken disjointed culture and from more of a Christian
• 51:22
  Outlook and you know Christian dogmatic and yeah, dogmatic and
• 51:27
  judgmental and, you know, and things like that, you know?
• 51:29
  And I mean, one of the interesting arguments that I see
• 51:32
  going on now that I roll my eyes at is the whole, you know,
• 51:35
  People shaming other people in the cosplay term or whatever,
• 51:40
  when there's people, you know, dressing up or wearing makeup,
• 51:42
  you know, or like putting, you know, doing the face paint and
• 51:44
  doing nothing. And then other like,
• 51:46
  holier-than-thou, you know, I call them hipster heathens and
• 51:50
  that, you know, come in or like well you can't that it and it's
• 51:52
  like, okay, maybe there's not complete archaeological
• 51:56
  evidence. Like there is some references of
• 51:59
  eye makeup or whatever that whether it was glare, whether it
• 52:01
  was, you know, as it as it as in-depth as people go with it.
• 52:05
  They're dramatic aspects. Now the fact that wearing a
• 52:10
  ritual Garb putting on face paint, doing things like that,
• 52:14
  they're ancient animistic practices that have happened all
• 52:17
  over the world to shift, Consciousness and ship
• 52:20
  perception perception, you know, where we're going to be super
• 52:24
  dogmatically by the book of whether our specific ancestors
• 52:26
  in. You know, the northern European
• 52:29
  countries, did it or not. That's a whole other argument.
• 52:32
  But the fact is, is it works. It's like, All over the world
• 52:36
  people do? I've seen it.
• 52:37
  I've seen it in my theater crew, you know?
• 52:39
  It's like when we, you know, we do the Dramatic Makeup, we do
• 52:42
  the things like that, and I've done it in ritual, I've done it
• 52:45
  in music and I've done it in theater and the thing is, you
• 52:48
  see, people change? You see people embody and go
• 52:51
  deeper into the you know they're tapping into these ancient
• 52:56
  primordial Powers you know through this when they paint the
• 52:59
  rooms on their face, you know. And they do the face with the
• 53:02
  different, you know. It's like I've seen I saw it a
• 53:04
  couple weeks ago when we Practicing for our show, for
• 53:06
  Bernie men, were doing a whole retelling of the Ragnarok myth
• 53:11
  for printing minute. We've got Loki and Thor and, you
• 53:14
  know, and I am body Odin. We got Freya and Ingrid.
• 53:17
  Boda and hella and like, you know.
• 53:19
  And I see these gals that, you know, when they cook the cloaks
• 53:23
  on, when they put clothes on and when they put the makeup on they
• 53:28
  transform, you know, and they're all like, and they feel it and
• 53:31
  then afterwards, they're remembering that are going like,
• 53:34
  wow, that Was profound, right? You know and who is anyone to
• 53:39
  shame that you know, it was anyway.
• 53:42
  Well, that's not powerful, that's not real, that's not what
• 53:45
  ever, you know, when I'm witnessing right here, you know,
• 53:49
  50 on your part of it. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:51
  We got 50 people, in a giant Pagan Heathen ceremony in were,
• 53:54
  you know, we are wearing outfits and cause of we are lighting up
• 53:57
  swords on fire where a were building, giant metal dragons,
• 54:00
  and lighting them on fire for, let you know, like that, you
• 54:03
  know, for the midgard serpent and like all These different
• 54:06
  things, you know, and it's like, it's there, you know, and it's
• 54:08
  like, when my buddy is like all beard braided and got the, you
• 54:12
  know, Foodies as written on his face and he's built like a
• 54:15
  flaming mjolnir and like, you lights it up and, you know, it's
• 54:19
  like, dude, that guy's something.
• 54:22
  He wasn't an hour ago. I'll tell you, right, you know.
• 54:26
  Yeah, yeah. No.
• 54:29
  I mean, it's phenomenal. I'm just, I'm really glad to see
• 54:32
  the there that there's actually there's some press.
• 54:35
  For stuff like this. You know that there's platforms
• 54:37
  that there's opportunity for this type of passion, this type
• 54:41
  of genuine practice of things to get shared with the world.
• 54:45
  Because again they're there's people like us that have been in
• 54:48
  it for any length of time that that know, the sincerity, that
• 54:51
  know, the heart behind it and that see the value and want to
• 54:54
  share that. And then there's people that are
• 54:55
  just clueless that may be new to this.
• 54:59
  And they're seeing this undergoing.
• 55:00
  What is that? What is that about?
• 55:03
  You know, and they want to know more in it.
• 55:05
  It you know, II think it's great.
• 55:07
  I really do well in the aspect of like, how much are we opening
• 55:11
  the door? How much are we putting out of
• 55:12
  the hand? And it's like we've all been
• 55:15
  raised in this broken Western culture and it's Generations
• 55:18
  deep and so, you know, Who are you to shame somebody else when
• 55:23
  like, you know, 35 15 20 years ago.
• 55:27
  You were that same person making the same mistakes.
• 55:30
  Mmm, no. And so, it's like, it's like,
• 55:32
  the whole like skull argument or whatever.
• 55:35
  Like everyone's like, oh, skulls, not a greeting.
• 55:37
  And it's like, well, shit. I know skulls, you know, who
• 55:41
  I've known, you know, I don't know where it came from.
• 55:43
  Everyone's doing this all of a sudden, it's like course, it's
• 55:46
  not, but like these new people that have watched the Vikings TV
• 55:51
  show. Inner like feeling their
• 55:53
  Heritage and feeling some sort of trickle of magic and
• 55:56
  ancestral power in that, you know.
• 55:58
  Yes, maybe they're being cheesy about it or maybe they're, you
• 56:01
  know, just starting on a shallow level of it.
• 56:03
  But are you gonna, you know, are you going to smother that shame
• 56:06
  that and Bully that, or you gonna reach out a hand and help
• 56:10
  these people, you know, learn how to engage with the
• 56:14
  ancestors, engage with the gods, engage with their roots, and
• 56:17
  then there's more of us then, you know, He that we're
• 56:21
  building. It's like, you know, I grew up
• 56:23
  on the reservation otice like I grew up on the res with like
• 56:26
  First Nations and stuff like that.
• 56:27
  And I've seen the desecration of the First Nations community and
• 56:31
  culture, you know, and I sat with First Nations elders and
• 56:34
  I've been, you know, that they just see Christianity and, you
• 56:37
  know, and what's happened and I'm like, you know, my people
• 56:39
  were really similar only happened a long time ago and
• 56:43
  they were the same skin color. You know, like you've got
• 56:47
  shamanic Elders, we've got animistic practices, we got, you
• 56:49
  know, and like a lot of First Nations people, like, oh wow,
• 56:52
  that me like I want to hear about that.
• 56:54
  And a lot of that culture had to rebuild itself and come back
• 56:59
  together and it was only, you know, wiped out for a couple
• 57:02
  Generations or not, even a generation, depending how far
• 57:04
  west you get. Whereas our people, it's been
• 57:06
  hundreds of years and that's where I'm like, we need to come
• 57:10
  together. We need to help each other.
• 57:12
  We need not be like battling each other and shaming.
• 57:14
  Each, Other, we need to reach and and having some compassion
• 57:18
  for the new folks that are like skull brother and it's like, hi.
• 57:23
  It's like, yeah, it's like, let me get a horn for some meat in
• 57:26
  there and we'll cheers it and like, you know, a tough
• 57:29
  conversation, you know, talk about it.
• 57:31
  She felt like, I know you're really excited about what you're
• 57:34
  doing but like, that's not actually how it works.
• 57:36
  Let me like you're new here, and it's not like you're wrong.
• 57:39
  Get the fuck out. It's like, hey, you're new here.
• 57:42
  That's, you know, that's not actually how it works.
• 57:45
  Come on over, let's have it. That's for, you know, poor horn
• 57:47
  and meet, and I'll, you know, I'll tell you how, you know,
• 57:50
  I'll show you how to Cheers. I'll show you how to do with a
• 57:51
  blue 20 blow it. So, you know, like what's going
• 57:53
  on here, you know. And like, if you put that dumb
• 57:56
  horned helmet away, or like, you know, we're like this, what the
• 57:59
  hell, like the thing, you know, the weird Halloween costume.
• 58:01
  You just put off Amazon, like, you know, I know you're excited
• 58:05
  and you're feeling it, but, like, you know, Let's touch on
• 58:10
  the things. Yeah, like each, you know, you
• 58:11
  see that that enthusiasm and I used to call it, you know, this,
• 58:16
  this honeymoon phase, you know, the yeah, the this
• 58:19
  over-romanticized feeling of that, that lady, say that that
• 58:23
  Touch of Magic of connecting with your answer.
• 58:26
  Something about what you see or something about what you heard
• 58:28
  something about, what you experienced touched, you deeper
• 58:31
  than you have ever been touched before?
• 58:34
  Not trying to get freaky with it but I'm just saying like it
• 58:37
  affects you in a way that's more profound than it has ever been
• 58:40
  before, right? And I love seeing that with
• 58:43
  people and I want to be the one that can help be a part of that
• 58:46
  but and cultivated in a way that they build from, you know, not
• 58:50
  feel ashamed about you know and that's what we need.
• 58:52
  More of a powerful thing. It's our ancestry.
• 58:55
  It's alright. You know it's our lineage it's
• 58:56
  our gift of power from our ancestors that we were never
• 58:59
  given so no surprise it people are kind of excited and and
• 59:04
  Interpreting in a certain way, you know, it's like some kids
• 59:06
  easy riding a bicycle and they're like, oh my God, I want
• 59:09
  to ride a bike and I get on the bike and I like dragging it down
• 59:11
  the street and falling off of it four times, but only after the
• 59:14
  kid showing how to ride a bike, you know, it's like, hey yeah,
• 59:17
  it's cool to ride a bike. You want to go like, that's not
• 59:20
  how you do it. This is how you do it.
• 59:22
  Let me show you as opposed to like haha, you fucking suck.
• 59:24
  Looks like well, you know, that's right.
• 59:30
  You know, we get a little bit more of that in our community,
• 59:33
  you know. It's something that we You know,
• 59:34
  we can build together, you know, and I've been to powwows, I've
• 59:38
  been to sundance's. I've been to, you know, these
• 59:40
  First Nations ceremonies and communities that they've rebuilt
• 59:43
  their Traditions, you know, they've re-engaged together and
• 59:47
  they're not, shaming blaming each other, they're not like,
• 59:49
  you know, then they're doing like, you know, fancy dances
• 59:52
  with all these feathers and all this stuff and like, maybe
• 59:54
  they're not traditionally, the are, you know, maybe some of
• 59:56
  those dances are 10 years old and some of those costumes are
• 59:59
  like new designs. 10 years ago, they're not ripping each other
• 1:00:02
  apart and dividing over it. They're like hey, A cool new
• 1:00:05
  idea celebrating it. Encouraging it.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah. Actually getting it wrong.
• 1:00:09
  Then the elders are coming in or the experienced ones are coming
• 1:00:12
  in and going. Hey, that's not how you do it.
• 1:00:14
  And you can make mistake there, but if it's a no idea.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah, you know, it's you know, it's like, hey how'd you do
• 1:00:22
  that? You know, as opposed to this
• 1:00:25
  consistent in fighting that it's like wow, there's so many of us
• 1:00:29
  reclaiming, you know, this Northern Heritage in the ancient
• 1:00:32
  and Peg like he did. Always like we should be coming
• 1:00:35
  together and having big, we haven't big, you know, festivals
• 1:00:39
  and concerts and you know and whatever.
• 1:00:41
  And you know there's a there's a lot of things in the world to
• 1:00:43
  fight each other is. And what isn't one of them?
• 1:00:46
  Yeah. Yeah, 100% agreed.
• 1:00:50
  Well I'm definitely glad to get the chance to first of all, talk
• 1:00:53
  about what you think contributing to the community,
• 1:00:57
  to this, to this country, to the world.
• 1:00:59
  Even you're just being a part of Burning Man.
• 1:01:00
  And having, you know, an international audience and And
• 1:01:04
  having, you know, a group of no community of people that are
• 1:01:08
  like minded to the point of, you know, doing it that way and
• 1:01:13
  being welcoming in that way, that's really great to hear and
• 1:01:15
  I'm excited to see all the progress, right?
• 1:01:19
  So there's there's this, there's mythmaker Productions, there's
• 1:01:22
  the weirding way. There's the Warrior's path,
• 1:01:23
  YouTube channel. Anything else that people
• 1:01:26
  online, if they want to kind of follow your journey and follow
• 1:01:29
  your story and keep up with you? Is there anything else that the
• 1:01:32
  listeners and viewers can Can check out on the social medias
• 1:01:36
  are on the internet. That tells me more about what
• 1:01:39
  you're up to. Those are the three main ones.
• 1:01:41
  Like, I've got my Heron, you know, Facebook stuff.
• 1:01:44
  I'm always organizing on Facebook and doing stuff on
• 1:01:46
  there. It's got me.
• 1:01:47
  I wish it was a better platform but there's not right now and
• 1:01:50
  I'm organizing tons of people. But yeah, mythmakers the main,
• 1:01:55
  the main thing I'm known for the weirding way is my superb and
• 1:01:59
  ritual passion right now. And then Warrior's path is
• 1:02:02
  where, you know, I share my teaching My, you know, in my
• 1:02:05
  engagement and what I've learned along the path and yeah, study
• 1:02:09
  with a lot of different people and I've got the spiritual shit
• 1:02:12
  kicked out of me enough times. I've been humbled many many
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  times to you know, rebuild my worldview and rebuild my
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  perception and I'm here to help you know.
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  Like that's the thing is like I'm really here to see this
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  community shine. See individual shine, and to
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  really see us like regain that ancient ancestral power.
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  And that's really the purpose of myth maker and Weirding way and
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  Warrior's path is for, you know, our Heathen Pagan Community to
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  come together and for us to, you know, to be a people again.
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  And, you know, I'm very into that, you know, and different
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  people have their different things and that's that's all
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  fine and dandy. And, you know, us reclaiming,
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  our traditions and integrating them in them, in a modern way,
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  where, you know, the Practical and they're really helping, you
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  know, individuals and communities.
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  So, yeah, and that's what mythmaker is were making that
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  new myth creating a new narrative.
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  The moment my kids is a counselor and, you know, she's
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  been on the Pagan path for a long time too.
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  And so she's doing a lot of work.
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  She talking about doing a podcast series about heathen
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  integration. Like how I'm seeing spot in the
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  community of people coming from a Christian background and she
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  comes from a Christian background.
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  I thankfully don't, I was never really told anyone I'm thankful
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  for my neutral background that I got to explore, I didn't have to
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  deprogram I'm a lot of stuff. I mean, they're the ambient
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  stuff in culture that I've had to deprogram, but I wasn't super
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  indoctrinated into one of these, you know, abrahamic religions
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  that I feel pretty away from the end of Mystic route.
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  And you know, she and her partner both have in two very
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  different scenarios and they're both, you know, integrated
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  transpersonal psychologist counselors at the were talking
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  about putting a program together for, you know, people coming
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  back to Hedonism people coming back to paganism because there's
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  a lot of Christian baggage baggage.
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  Oh yeah, maggots as a lot of, you know, people that are taken,
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  you know, Jesus and God and then just like slapping Thor and Odin
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  over top and then they're still kind of like, they'll your
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  operating system is still really abrahamic.
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  And it's like, yeah, you know, if you tap into some deep,
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  Primal animalistic stuff, like that's not how we do, you know,
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  that's not how it's been done, you know, and even in, you know,
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  the Christian interpretations of some of the old writings and
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  Stuff like that. It's like I come from a real
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  animistic background. You know where you can smell the
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  Christianity, you can smell the air.
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  Oh, wait a minute. That's that's not how Earth
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  people did things. That's not how animistic people
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  did things. That's someone's lens, affecting
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  their interpretation of what our people did and you can taste it.
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  You can smell it when you, you know, when you've spent enough
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  time in the Woods, by yourself with other cultures that are
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  animistic, you know, you can go. Oh actually, when you're in tune
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  with nature, that's not how you perceive things.
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  When you separate from nature then you put those paintings on
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  top. So yeah.
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  So we're working. She's her.
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  And her partner working a lot on their counseling business with
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  that. And we're working on putting a
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  series together and doing some writings on how to transition
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  from, you know, Christianity to Hedonism to paganism to, you
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  know, to get back into the deeper aspects of what the
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  ancient Traditions are and what the the way.
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  Our ancestors would be because you're not just about like who I
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  watch the Vikings and I read the whole them all and now you know,
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  I got a hammer, you know, and I got a drinking horn and you know
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  whatever but then I'm still like you know, judgmental and guilt
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  shame ridden and like you know and you know, and all these
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  things like, well you got to dig a little, there's a whole, yeah,
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  there's a whole worldview shift that you have to embrace and,
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  and it doesn't happen overnight and I'm that's interesting.
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  You know, if If you're a part of that project and you ever are
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  looking for a guest, I would volunteer as tribute just put
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  that bug out there in the universe.
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  So if you're ever looking to get a guest on a podcast or talk
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  about stuff like that, I'd be really down to rap about it for
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  a bit and this has been great. I think we've covered a lot and
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  we could we could probably I have a feeling that you're the
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  type of person here. And that, you know, if given the
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  time and Limitless resources, we could sit here and probably lose
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  hours and not even realize it, you know?
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  Oh yeah. We could do a series and we
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  might do that. I mean we might have you back.
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  I mean, I would love to say that I would love to have you back
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  when it has our schedules permit to talk about some other things.
• 1:06:45
  Maybe together we can come up with Justin topics and and
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  stuff. Because I feel I enjoy this.
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  I think the people listening and subscribing and watching this,
• 1:06:54
  this podcast are all about it, too.
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  I really feel like this is going to touch on a lot of people's
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  hearts and and stuff. So you know thank you from
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  Myself and thank you on behalf of everybody.
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  That's that's being able to absorb this.
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  It's been it's been a lot of fun.
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  Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome.
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  And yeah, just tell people, you know, live your Legend, make
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  your myth, you know you got here.
• 1:07:17
  We are in this weird world at this Cutting Edge of culture and
• 1:07:20
  everything else. It's like you know, build giant
• 1:07:23
  flaming dragons light up, your sword on fire, you know, keep
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  your thing, make your myth be who you want to be.
• 1:07:29
  It's like you know, shed the shackles of, you know, all this
• 1:07:33
  like Everybody pick on each other but whatever.
• 1:07:35
  It's like, do fun shit. Put on like, man where the where
• 1:07:40
  the mask put on the robes, do it?
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  Yeah, dude--. Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Dude-- do what works for you do? What gives you power and you
• 1:07:49
  know, dig deeper study of more. So yeah, I'm here to help.
• 1:07:53
  That's that's my journey. I'm just here to see people
• 1:07:56
  shine and see people tap into their, their ancient Roots
• 1:07:59
  again, in their ancient power again.
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  So do my best. Engage in that path.
• 1:08:04
  As much as I can. Absolutely.
• 1:08:06
  So I'm going to, I'm going to be linking the, you know, mythmaker
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  Productions, the weirding way the Warrior's path, your your
• 1:08:13
  hair and, you know, Facebook, for any way that you're just
• 1:08:16
  told me that people can find you get a hold of, your anybody,
• 1:08:18
  listening and watching if you're wanting to, you know, follow
• 1:08:21
  along with heroines journey and everything that he's a part of
• 1:08:24
  and and learn along the way with him.
• 1:08:29
  Check out the description area, check out the show notes, all of
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  his stuff is going to be linked down there so definitely follow
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  likes. Share, subscribe to all of what
• 1:08:37
  he does. You know, engage in that way,
• 1:08:39
  support him in that way and I don't think you'll regret it.
• 1:08:42
  I know I haven't so and I'm not just saying it because you're
• 1:08:45
  here. I mean I've been saying it ever
• 1:08:46
  since I'm like I can't wait to get this guy on a podcast man
• 1:08:49
  it's going to be great heathens in the desert where we have open
• 1:08:53
  applications and you know and we do the shit, you know, we train
• 1:08:56
  people up and you know we do it to know real stuff doing the
• 1:09:00
  real work. Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Wing swords and drink Mead in the I'm going to make it out
• 1:09:05
  there one of these days, man, figure out a way, you know just
• 1:09:08
  get in the car and go. Yeah I'd be gnarly, maybe film
• 1:09:12
  some content together, do something who knows?
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  Totally totally. All right, well I'm going to
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  jump off here, everybody that's listening watching.
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  Hey.