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Jules Verne Becomes Reality · Plausibly Live - The Dave Bowman Show Podcast

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History is strange, it's alien and it won't give us what we
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would like to have. The McPherson Financial Group
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bringing you hour three of our Tuesday morning.
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It is the 21st of January 2025 and Dave Bowman with us
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Dave, where are we going on this Tuesday morning?
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The year was 1954, which was a long time ago when Disney, back
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before it became crazy, brought out a film called 20,000 Leagues
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Under the Sea. Yes Sir.
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Now, for my money, Jules Verne is great.
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I love Jules Verne's writings. I love the fact that this
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particular novel, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, even ends up in
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Star Trek. But this particular film, this
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1954 film, was and remains just a fantastic film.
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It was a visual. And Nemo character was amazing
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and Kirk Douglas is one of the deckhands was just great.
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Yeah, the whole thing. Peter Laurie, the whole film, I
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mean, it's just a visual and technical masterpiece.
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It was filmed in Sinoscope, which wasn't normal then, but it
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was it it, it's an incredible thing.
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I remember seeing it in the theater in the early 70s and
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just being enthralled by the underwater scenes and and stuff
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like that. It was a very faithful
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adaptation of the book. They followed the book, which,
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you know, I mean, nowadays people don't do that.
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Of course you had James Mason as Captain Nemo, Kirk Douglas, Ned
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Land and his his fantastic Whale of a Tale song, Peter Lorre of
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Casablanca fame and other things, and Paul Lucas.
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There was a lot of thematic depth to the film.
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It really got into the issues that Jules Verne was looking at
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with the the consideration. You know, we've talked about AI
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today, but even back then they were talking about the
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technology versus the morality of the technology and its uses,
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environmental awareness, those kinds of things.
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Of course there's the whole giant squid scene, which is
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amazing. And of course they turned it
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into the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride at Disneyland.
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But even today you can watch that film and it's still it,
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it's still an amazing film today.
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It's it's a long lot of years later.
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I'm not even sure how many years later is that 80 years, 70
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years. My mouth, my mouth isn't that
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good. And I was told there wouldn't be
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any. But it's really the only reason
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I have the Disney Channel is so that I can watch 20,000 Leagues
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Under the Sea whenever I want to.
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There's a a particular scene in that film, though, where they
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talk about the powering of the submarine.
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How is it? How, how have you done this?
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And he shows them what he's doing.
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And he's, he calls it the, if I remember right, the power of the
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universe. And there's a strong
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implication, although they don't actually use the words that
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this, this Nautilus that Captain Nemo is running around the the
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globe in is in fact atomic powered.
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Now this is an archaic phrase, atomic power.
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It's a phrase we don't use now. Now we say nuclear powered
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because nuclear powered is actually more scientifically
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correct. You know, technology has
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changed, but in the Fifties, 40s and 50s especially, the term
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atomic powered was was everywhere.
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Even even in your candy bill, you get the atomic fireballs.
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You know those. Yeah, those were good too.
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It's, it's a great phrase. I wish, kind of wish we'd bring
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it back. I I kind of prefer the phrase
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atomic, especially since I can actually say atomic, and nuclear
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is one of those phrases that people can't say.
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You and George, WI. Say it that way on purpose
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because I used to have a listener to my show that it
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would annoy him and he was a City Councilman and I like to
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annoy him. So I would go out of my way to
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say it nuclear just because it would bother him, but not.
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That you would ever. Do that not me.
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But it was also 1954, the same year that the film came out,
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that on this day, January 21st, 1954, the United States Navy
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launched one of its iconic ships, the USS Nautilus.
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She was one of the transit transformative achievements in
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naval history. And you got to understand a lot
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of things about submarines in order to to understand why this
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particular submarine Nautilus was so revolutionary.
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For starters, she was atomic powered.
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Should not been done before on a submarine.
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It seemed counterintuitive. Nuclear reactors have to be huge
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and and submarines aren't necessarily huge.
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It'd never been married like that before.
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And it was going to change the way things worked.
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It was going to change, revolutionize naval warfare.
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And in fact, as the Nautilus slid down to the ways into the
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river, there she was. There were a lot of people even
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on that day that thought this is never going to work, but by the
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end of the year it would work and the world would change, much
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as Jules Verne had foreseen, forever more.
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And we pick it up in just a minute on Dave does history on
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Bill Mclaugh. So Dave bringing fantasy to
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life. I mean this is kind of a pre
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Star Trek Star Trek. Wait wait, I'm I'm I'm wondering
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if I should make a trip to Otto buy they have submarines for
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sale. No, they will buy one if you
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have one. But they got to sell them to
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someone, right? Yeah, they do, But they sell
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them all out of state, They resell elsewhere, so that's what
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they do. I'd love to have one.
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I know you would, unless it's one of the, you know, automatic
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crumpling versions that you almost got on.
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Don't want to deal with that so. No, absolutely.
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I I. I object to the term fantasy.
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The the Jules Verne is science fiction.
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And I think there's a difference between science fiction and
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fantasy. You're dealing with visionary
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people here who looked forward and saw things that could be.
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And of course, atomic power comes into being.
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It it isn't long after the atomic bomb that people start
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realizing, hey, wait a minute, we could use this to make
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engines. We could use this to drive
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things when you consider the state of submarine technology up
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to that point. Submarines by by the by the late
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40s and 50s were hybrids. They were the original Priuses
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in a lot of ways. They were diesel electric
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vehicles, much like trains. The they had diesel engines that
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charge batteries that drove the submarine.
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Yes, they could direct couple the the diesels to the engines,
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but for the most part they were submersibles, not quite
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submarines. They couldn't live underwater.
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Now they were getting better at it, snorkels, longer life
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batteries, things like that. But in general they would have
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to recharge their batteries. And this is a very general
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figure about every 24 to 48 hours they would have to come up
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to the surface on the on the top recharge the batteries before
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they could go back down again. That's pretty good.
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But what nuclear power, atomic power promised was the the
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elimination of that, not having to recharge your batteries by
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surfacing the the submarine, meaning you could stay
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underwater. Well, of course, staying
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underwater is where they can't find you.
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So yeah, it's really where you want to be.
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The the idea here was revolutionary to put this on a
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submarine, but it required vision.
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It required vision right up there with with with Jules
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Verne's vision. And that was of course found in
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Hyman Rickover, Admiral Captain as he was then Hyman Rickover
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who who really championed this idea.
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We don't have time to go through all the Rick over stories.
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You can sit down with pretty much any submarine or anywhere
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today and they've got a Rick over story.
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Hell, even I have a Rick over story and he retired while I was
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in so it there's this this push, this idea, this this this
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controlling attitude to get this done.
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They managed to shrink the reactor as it is the the S2 W
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reactor and install two of them on the Nautilus because at that
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point they weren't sure 2 is better than one.
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You know, redundancy is, is the way you think.
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And they put this thing in there, launched the ship, tested
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it, make sure it worked. And it was just just a couple of
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days ago, January 17th, I believe, a year later that the
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Nautilus would actually get underway on atomic power for the
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very first time. And they sent that famous
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message underway on atomic power and everybody went woo Hoo.
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And everybody was excited. In fact, there's a, there's a
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really great story about that particular famous message
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because originally the message was just Nautilus is underway.
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And the captain took the message and scratched out, said, of
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course we're underway. They told us to get underway.
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We need to make this punchy. We need to, we need to explain
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why this is unique. Well, we're underway on atomic
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power. And that message is still in the
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National Archives today. So this, this whole redesign of
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the engine of the Nautilus and the driving factors of the
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Nautilus is fantastic. What they didn't know is what
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they really had. Imagine having a a car that
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looks really good, but it's just like your average car, but it
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has a Corvette engine in it. The things that you're going to
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have to learn about how to control that car and how to
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drive that car are. And that's of course what's
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going to end up happening with the Nautilus.
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They're going to discover that, hey, this is great, but man,
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there's a lot of changes we're going to have to make in the
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world of submarining really soon.
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It's like my dad in the 74 Nova. I wanted just that car's too
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small for the engine That's in it, son.
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You're not getting one. Yeah.
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That's what happened nonetheless.
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More on the Nautilus as Dave does history the rest of this
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hour on Bill Mick live. Stay with us our.
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Weekly dive into history. Dave Bowman joins us on Bill
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Mick. Live.
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So, Dave, we've got the Nautilus being launched and lessons being
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learned here. There are a lot of lessons that
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are going to be learned with this ship up to this point in
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history. Submarines are basically
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designed as surface ships that have the capability of diving.
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If you look at the hull shapes, they look like surface ships.
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They have that pointy end at the front and the the sweeping back
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and they have a keel just like regular ships and they're faster
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on the surface than they are submerged because of the
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limitations of the batteries and that sort of thing.
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So an average World War Two US submarine can do about 20 knots
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on the surface and on a good day, maybe 11 knots underwater
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maybe. And, and even that is only for a
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few minutes. It can't do it for very long.
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The drains the batteries real quick.
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At the end of World War 2, the Germans had developed what would
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they call the Type 21 U boat. The Type 21 U boat is a is an
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electric boat and it's it's designed and streamlined.
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It's designed to operate underwater, not on the surface,
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and it's very fast. It can do about 21 knots
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underwater. Wow.
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Now fortunately they only commissioned two of these before
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the end of the Second World War and neither of them saw any
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action. But have they seen action?
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It would have changed a lot of things.
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I mean, anti submarine warfare wasn't used to this.
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The Allies capture these things. They start building, they start
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realizing how intelligent these things are, They start copying
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these and we do as well in the 1940s, late 40s, early 50s,
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we're building diesel electric submarines that very much
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resemble that. The Soviets are copying this
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thing over and over again. They have at least three classes
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of submarines that are basically rivet for rivet copies of the
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Type 21 U book. But it's this addition to this
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nuclear reactor, this atomic power that really changes
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things. Now all of a sudden, this
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submarine doesn't have the surface to recharge its
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batteries. It can go underwater.
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The problem is, Bill, it still has the same hull design in
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general, which is again, essentially a surface ship that
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can dive now underwater. That's going to create some
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problems. And as they begin to use
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Nautilus, they begin to discover some of these problems that
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they're going to have. As she develops, she does some
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things that have never been done before.
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She goes all the way from New York to Puerto Rico, underwater,
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never been done before. Everybody's like, yay, this is
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fantastic. And in 1958, they will take the
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Nautilus. They will do what they call
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Operation Sunshine, which at the time, you know, we were talking
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earlier about classified stuff. The time this was a highly
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classified operation, they actually sailed to the North
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Pole under the ice pack, which hitherto no one could do because
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again, you had to surface to charge your batteries.
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You can't do that in the ice pack.
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You can't come up on the surface, so you got to stay
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underwater. Well, they make it all the way
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to the North Pole and everybody's excited about this.
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Of course, the Soviets aren't, because they realize what that
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means from a from a danger standpoint.
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But yeah, we accomplished this and they get a Presidential Unit
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Citation and all those kinds of things.
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But in the meantime, as they're exercising and as they're
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practicing, they're starting to realize that, man, this reactor
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thing, this atomic power is great, but we got some problems
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we got to deal with here because, well, we're not quite
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ready for this. So what are the challenges we're
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starting to look at David one of.
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One of the things that Rick over insists on as he's developing
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this, the submarine, is he doesn't want the Nautilus to be
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an experimental submarine. He wants it to be a combat
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submarine. So it's fully armed it it it's
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ready to go to war. And the reason he wants it that
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way is because really, an experimental submarine, you
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can't. You can't do some of the things
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that you know a submarine is going to be asked to do.
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And he wants to be able to show all of this at once.
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He's really put all of his eggs in one basket with this thing,
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and it kind of pays off. Nautilus participates in NATO
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drills. She participates in war games.
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And one of the things they quickly discover is that because
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she's now so fast underwater, it's causing major problems with
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vibration, which makes noise. And that's this thing a
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submarine doesn't want is noise. And worse, it's ripping pieces
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off off of the hull of the submarine.
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The water flow is just it's pulling pieces and parts off.
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And this is a problem that they have repeatedly, you know, they
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go up and they nail things down. In fact, on our sea trials, this
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happened. They almost, they almost had to
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cancel their sea trials originally because it was
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ripping pieces off of the hull and you know, we kind of need
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those so. Sounds like we need an inertial
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dampener and and and A and a buffering field.
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Right. Yeah, yeah.
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Structural integrity field, that'll do it.
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That'll. That'll help.
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These are all lessons that they had to learn.
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And of course they've got this non experimental combat
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submarine that's really an experimental submarine and
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they're learning all of these things.
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As they gulp, they discover that the faster you go, the the worse
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your sonar works. So that doesn't help.
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It might help you get away from an enemy, but you can't really
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track an enemy while you're doing that.
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And that's a problem we have even today.
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They the record they they're going to have to replace items
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in the reactor. They're going to have to refuel
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it. They got to figure out how to do
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all of these things that that they hadn't really thought
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through all that well when they were building her.
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But as they begin to learn with it, they, they begin to
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understand there might be better ways to do this.
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Now, in the meantime, we've built other nuclear submarines,
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atomic powered submarines that we're experimenting as well.
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One they built with a instead of a water powered reactor.
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So you've got the reactor heating water to become steam.
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They used liquid metal, liquid sodium in the in the reactor to
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heat the water and, and make steam That doesn't work at all.
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That turns out to be quite the problem for us and the Soviets
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as well. So all this experimentation is
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going into all these things. In meantime, Nautilus continues
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to to push on and she she works for 25 years Bill in our Navy.
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So even in that time frame, we continue to learn things that
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lead to the modern United States Navy submarine fleet.
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But it's Nautilus that starts all of those things, Nautilus
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that teaches us those things, and Nautilus that carries
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forward the vision of Jules Verne.
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That is so cool as we look at it in that perspective and can't
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wait to see where it goes and we'll find out and we'll take
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your calls when we come back as well. 3217681240 Dave does
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Mick Live. We'll get to your calls as we
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wrap up. Things going on with the
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Nautilus here, Dave, where we left that here.
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Well, by the time the Nautilus retires 1980 after 25 years of
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service, she has taught the Navy a lot of how to do things and
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learning and processing. And I I guess what I appreciate
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about it, looking back as a submarine or myself, is the
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willingness of the Navy to go out on a limb with this thing.
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Not just build an experimental atomic powered submarine, but
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make making her fully combat capable.
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In other words, this isn't, this isn't some test bed.
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This is a submarine that we're going to use if we go to war,
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and maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.
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I mean, we found that out with the Sea Wolf with the the liquid
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metal reactors, and that didn't work really well.
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But here's Nautilus going through all these things now.
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The problem, the big problem that we had was the
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hydrodynamics underwater. Again, she was still designed
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like a surface ship that could dive.
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And the problem is that doesn't work underwater well.
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In the mid 50's the Navy hit on this idea of, you know, whales
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have this particular shape, whales and dolphins and fish I
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guess in general have this different shape than we're using
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and they swim really well underwater.
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So the Navy built an experimental submarine, a purely
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experimental submarine, diesel powered called the Albacore,
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which had what we can now call the teardrop, teardrop shaped
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hull, really bulbous nose. And it kind of streamlines back.
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And they discovered that whole, this thing really maneuvers well
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underwater. So if we take that whole shape
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and we put a nuclear reactor in it, what do we got?
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And we ended up with what they call the skipjack class, which
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for my money is is fantastic. The very first submarine I ever
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stepped foot on was a skipjack class, the USS Scamp.
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And I am told, I've never went to see on one, but I'm told that
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they were basically sports cars underwater.
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They basically flew underwater and they would turn and stuff
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like that. So it's this Nautilus reactor,
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it's this albacore shape. Submarining has changed forever.
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They've become what Jules Verne visualized, truly submarines.
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They can go underwater and stay underwater.
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Literally the only limitation you have is how much food you
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can carry. You could argue, of course,
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that, well, what about air, Dave?
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You got to breathe. But the ocean is made out of
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what? Hydrogen and oxygen.
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And a long time ago we learned how to split the oxygen off so
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we can pull in the oxygen, purify the air and dump the
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oxygen in and breathe. That course.
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You got to get rid of the hydrogen.
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That sometimes is an issue. But as a general rule of thumb,
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it has changed how we do things. And of course, it's led to the
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modern submarine fleet of today, which I was not a part of.
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I it's hard for me to say this bill when I was in, it was 40
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years ago, it was 2 generations ago.
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And things have moved beyond even where we were now in this
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connection to what the submarine has become because of these,
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because of what the Nautilus was able to show.
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Before Nautilus, submarines were constrained by the limitations
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of the propulsion systems they had to frequently service.
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Now they don't. They can, they can do that
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without. It forced a complete re
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evaluation of naval tactics, anti submarine warfare.
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It had shown the effectiveness of surface fleets and aircraft
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in detecting. World War Two had shown the
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effectiveness of surface fleets and aircraft in detecting and
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aircraft in detecting neutralizing submarines.
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But Nautilus blew all that out of the water.
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Now the Navy had to change how they do that, because of course
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the Soviets were building them too.
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Navies had to rethink. Were the Soviets with us or
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anybody else as far as that goes with developing this atomic
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technology? I'm sorry they missed the first
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part of the question. How much on pace were the were
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the Soviets or any? Far behind, because atomic power
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was the concept was well known. The early Soviet nuclear
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submarines ran into the same kinds of problems with, you
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know, being too fast and ripping things off and making too much
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noise. And they also had problems with
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their reactors shielding. They had several submarines, if
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you've seen the film K 19, the Widowmaker, they had a lot of
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those kinds of problems where the reactors failed and killed
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people. We have not had that problem
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specifically. We certainly haven't anybody
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killed by it, but but there you go.
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Nautilus's revolutionary designed influenced every
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submarine that followed, and today nuclear powered submarines
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owe their existence to the pioneering achievements of USS
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Nautilus. She did more than just change
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submarine warfare. She redefined the concept of
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what a submarine could be, broke free of the constraints of
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traditional propulsion, opened a new chapter in naval history,
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and created one defined by stealth, endurance and
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flexibility. And today the Nautilus rests in
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New London, CT. You can actually go visit her.
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You can step foot on the deck of the first atomic powered
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submarine in the United States Navy.
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You can actually go on board. You can't go to the reactor
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room. They don't let you in there.
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But you can go see her today at the at the museum there in New
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London, CT, which I highly recommend you do because you'll
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see something that you can't see anywhere else in the world.
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She's the only atomic powered submarine that's now a museum
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chip. There are no others.
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Fantastic. That's going to be fun.
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And we get to your calls when we continue in one minute on WMMB
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play with Dave. Doug's history.
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Wolf is in Coco. Hey, Walt, good morning.
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Morning, bro, Good morning Dave. I just wanted to take Dave
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because while it is the Jewel Burn with the the catalyst, it
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was the drive and vision of Admiral Rickover to push it
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through. I mean, he was an engineer and
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he wanted to make it so that his men would be safe and we could
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finally do what you just said, stay underwater and be a combat
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vessel. And that whole idea came apart
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from Jules Verne. But it was the vision and he
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never wanted to be a politician. He never wanted to fight with
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anybody. He just wanted his submarine to
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work. And Rick over had to learn to be
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political so that he could get the funds necessary to put this
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thing together. And I wanted to thank you for
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mentioning him because he really is the father of the submarine
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as we as you know it today. I have the pleasure and honor of
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being able to go on the, the SSBN Kamehameha fast attack stub
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in the Trident Basin, Cape Canaveral.
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And I was going to fix their microwave ovens, which microwave
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ovens and it was quite, a, quite a trip.
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And the, I guess the, the chief Petty Officer, the what do they
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say? The officer of the deck gave me
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the Kamehameha hat, which I treasure to this day.
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And that was hell. That was back in 79 when they
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were doing that. Very good, Walt.
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I'm needing to leave it there, but appreciate where you're
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coming from. I guess there are ways to get on
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a submarine and if it takes fixing a microwave to do it
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well. Done Walt.
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Well in 79 it was a little bit different too.
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So things were things were a little bit looser in those days.
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Rick Over wasn't just the father than the the submarine he was he
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was the father of the nuclear Navy.
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So he actually had control of naval reactors, what we call
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naval reactors until he retired. So you're talking about the USS
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Enterprise that we've talked about the surface carrier as
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well as the NR one, which was a technically experimental
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submarine, but not really. She was actually kind of a
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special project spy boat, tiny submarine that was nuclear
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powered. That could you should be
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familiar with that down there because she's the one that
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actually went out and recovered the pieces of Challenger.
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But she's he was responsible for all of that.
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And of course, every sailor in the Navy from my generation
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especially, had a had a Rick Over story about, you know,
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whether you were an officer who went to the nuclear power
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program and you had to sit in that chair that he had specially
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built that leaned forward and he was up on a platform.
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So he was always looking down on you and asking you strange
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questions to the cooks who had to, you know, these these rock
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bands have these riders when they do shows, you know, we need
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this, this and this. Rick Over had the same thing.
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He had the same kind of expectations about what he was
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supposed to get when he was aboard your ship.
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When? Strawberries was it?
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I don't remember. No, it was not strawberries.
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Strawberries and ball bearings. Yeah, exactly.
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No, it wasn't that. And, and off the top of my head,
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I don't remember, but some of it was just, and it was so
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specific. And if you didn't do it exactly
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that way, there was this mindset that he was going to rip your
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head off. And I, I don't know if any of
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that was ever true. I never actually met him in
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person. I was on base when he was there
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one day and it was, you would have thought it was the you.
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You would have thought it was Jesus walk in the base.
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I mean, everybody was so on edge about Rick Overs here.
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And you know what happens if and.
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But at the same time, he was a visionary, much like Jules
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Verne, but at the same time he might have also been a control
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freak, so. Well, kind of kind of wise to be
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there. Let's get another call in while
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we can line one. You're on Bill make live.
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Good morning. Hey, this is that guy, Keith the
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Tombag. Yeah, Keith.
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Just real quick, has there been any studies done or anything
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with NASA or like growing food and stuff toward the space
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project with submarines and stuff?
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It seems like it would be a great capability to put
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together. Repeat the question.
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I'm not sure I understand. I got the I got the question.
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Did you OK, Dave, go ahead. The answer is studies.
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Sure. The the problem with the
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submarine is where do you do it? Where, where, Where could you
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set us? Reiterate the question since you
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got it the. The the question is, have there
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been studies about growing food while you're underwater so that
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you wouldn't have to come up for water?
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Where do you do it? For one thing, Where do you get
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enough variety to make it useful?
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And more? And.
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Enough to feed everybody. I mean, you're astronaut, you
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got six people up there. Submarine, you got somewhere
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between 100 and 160. So you need a lot of room to
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grow, a lot of food to do that. It's just not really practical.
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Now, that said, I I happen to be no I happen to have direct
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knowledge of a story of keeping a lobster in the bilges for a
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while. Could be like The Martian and
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the potatoes, right? With Matt Damon, right?
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Yeah, yeah, we kept. Other innovation driven because
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of the changes brought on by the speed.
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I mean, you said the sonar didn't work, so that had to
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drive innovation with other systems on the ship as well.
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Well, it did and it drove the idea of the tow to Ray, which is
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a big sonar that you tow behind the ship, couple of miles behind
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the ship so that technically you don't get all the noise.
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But the problem is the faster you go, the more likely that
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becomes to get damaged. So there's this constant trade
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off between speed and tactical ability.
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And that's that's something that's never changed in
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submarining. It's the tension of of, you
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know, you got to be slow to be quiet.
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You have to be deep to be quiet. But neither of those two things
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is necessarily a tactical advantage, especially if you're
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trying to get away from something.
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It does take time to speed up. So those are the things that
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that are there. It was a great job.
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I enjoyed it and I appreciate the fact that the Nautilus and
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Admiral Rickover set the standards for the submarine
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fleet of today and of mine 2 generations ago.
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Science fiction turn into reality.
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Hurry up. Star Trek.
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Dave Bowman always fun with Dave does history.
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Thank you, my friend Dave. We'll talk again next Tuesday.
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I appreciate it, Sir. We'll.
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See you then. Dave digs deep in dusty past.
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Whisper echo shadows cast, old wisdom screaming through the
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void. Lessons learned in dreams
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destroyed. Ancient tales of fight and fall.
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Stone engravings crumble walls. Heroes, villains, changing
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place. Times are cruel and bitter.
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Rains. You gave U.S. history lessons to
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see through these ages. Who can we be?
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Wars and lives. Thanks Dee.
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Queen Dame does his story setting lives free empires built
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on fragile lives, dust and dashes.
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Kingdoms die echoes on the faded pride.
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Truth is always hard to hide. Voices from another time paint
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the picture right the right centuries of sifting sands
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grasping now it's in your heads. Dave does his story lessons to
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see through the eyes ages who can we be wars in life based the
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queen Dave does his story.