Latest / Share Your Fire / Share Your Fire, Ep. 8 - Making Dreams Come True (Ann Moses)
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- John Verrico: Hello and welcome to a fantastic episode of Share Your Fire. Let me ask you this. When you hear names like Bobby Sherman and Elvis Presley and David Cassidy and Donnie Osmond and the Monkees and the Dave Clark Five and all those kinds of things, what what do you think of? What do they have in common? What they have in common is they were all teen idols and they were featured in Tiger Beat magazine. And my guest today has had probably the most groovy life of anyone on the planet. I want to bring to you the former editor of Tiger Beat magazine Anne Moses. Ann, how are you? Ann Moses: Doing well, thank you. John Verrico: Hey, I tell you, you have had such an amazing experience throughout your life doing what what so many people can only dream of. And that was hanging out with and covering for Tiger Beat magazine, all of those those pop stars, th all of those teen idols from back in the day. So, my goodness, where do we even start about this? So why don't Ann Moses: Ha ha. John Verrico: why don't you tell us how this all kind of came to fruition? Ann Moses: Well, you know, I had been writing for the local newspaper on their teen page when I was in junior high, then in high school I took journalism classes, worked on the yearbook, and then in in college I became the co editor of the newspaper. So I c you know, I I knew I wanted to write and I knew I wanted to just have a career in journalism. What I didn't anticipate is how that career would go. You know, I John Verrico: Yeah. Ann Moses: I I didn't really think about well, you know, when I get out of school, am I gonna go work for a newspaper? You know, what am I gonna do? Well, it's like life intervened and and carved the path for me. And that was I was while I was you know, I was working at Disneyland and because I just grew up two miles from there and I I started writing articles for the Disneyland employee newsletter. I mean things like Gary Gary Lewis and the Playboys came and played in Frontierland and so I interviewed them and then we had we had a an employee That looked exactly like this character on TV and I can't remember the show now, but they they could have been twins. And so I did a story on on him and how he was this actor's doppelganger. And so I you know, and I it was like, you know, nobody was paying me to do this. It was just I it it that that early on, I still just love talking to people and kind of digging into their background and and what they were all about and and I didn't realize what that was gonna turn into. But then while also while working, you know, summers and weekends at at Disneyland, I was also a volunteer usher at Melody Land Theater, which was just across the street from Disneyland, because I I just volunteered. All you had to do was seat the people. And then if you wanted to stay and watch these Broadway shows that were coming through, you know, Camelot and Music Man and and all these, just John Verrico: Yeah. Ann Moses: you know, I was I I I had albums at home. I knew every song in in these musicals. And so I I just loved it. But one night I went to work. And I had no idea who was appearing, you know, because it was just such a routine on these nights, so those were my nights. And and lo and behold, it was a lineup. there were there was a couple that that I hadn't really heard of yet, named Sonny and Cher. And then there were a couple of of groups, and then the headliners were the Dave Clark Five. Well, you know. That was pretty exciting because here was my first introduction to the British invasion in their cool suits and their British accents and their at the time we thought it was long hair, but but it turned out that they John Verrico: But right, yeah. What was long hair back then? Ann Moses: were they were short hairs in fact. And I just I saw them and I saw them perform and it was like I have to meet them. So little by little I kept talking to the road manager and saying, please, please, can I interview them? And and I really didn't have in mind what I was gonna do with it, you know. I thought, well, put it in the college paper, whatever. And it was just such a cool experience. They were so much fun, and I had so much fun in the process that I just wanted to do more of that. So I did start writing more. And one day, one of the the I call it, I don't know if it was tricks or just I always wanted to know whoever arranged an interview for me. If it was a publicist, I wanted to show them the finished product. I want to show them where it was printed, what it looked like, so they'd have a copy. And in doing that one time, I had interviewed the Beach Boys at Derek Taylor's. request. He was a publicist in Hollywood that used to be the publicist for the Beatles. And so I was at his office taking them a copy of the the interview with with the Beach Boys. And I just, you know, someone had mentioned to me, wouldn't it be fun to to get paid for what we're doing? And I said, that would be great. You John Verrico: Ha ha ha. Ann Moses: know, totally a bonus because I was having a good time. And and so I asked him, I said, I said, Do you know the people at Tiger Beet? And I thought since I was up in Hollywood, that I might go over and introduce myself. But I assumed he would say, Yeah, I'll call next week and see what I can do for you. Well he picks up the phone right then, calls over, says, I have someone I want you to meet, and you know, a half an hour later I was walking through the Tiger Beet office doors. And met with the editorial director and I had nothing to really show him, but I told him about the stories I had written of the people I'd interviewed. And he said, Well, I'm gonna send you home and then send come back and give me two articles and in Tiger Beat style. And I'm kinda going, What's Tiger Beat style? Because John Verrico: Ha ha ha. Ann Moses: I honestly hadn't you know, it had only had its first publishing date in September of sixty five. So I hadn't seen it. Well I quickly got a copy that week and pardon me? This was sixty five. This was d December of sixty five. And so I John Verrico: So what year was this then? What year was this happening? This was the same year. Okay. Wow. wow. Ann Moses: hadn't s but I made sure I saw one. I I studied it and I realized they're putting in all these minute details which I might not have done For my college paper or whatever. And I thought, well, I can do that. So I wrote my two stories, I took them up there on Monday, and I was hoping that I might get one freelance assignment. I mean, wow, that would be so cool. John Verrico: Sure. Ann Moses: But instead, Ralph reads my articles and he says, How would you like to start working here? And I'm going, what? I mean, I was just never in a million years had I thought, you know, that that would that would be ask of me. And I said, Well, I'm in my last semester John Verrico: And that started this amazing journey. Ann Moses: of junior college, you know, I said, so I worked it out because I had twenty hours a week of of classes and no, probably not that many. Anyway, I had you know, I had a full schedule. But I always liked morning classes and so I was going up to Hollywood for twenty hours a week, working at Tiger Beat. What I also didn't realize when he made me the offer, you know, because it was basically an internship, was that they were gonna pay me. And it was like It was just it was too good to be true. John Verrico: And I have to tell you, you know, this is all because of your your mindset back then. You know, you were doing things you didn't care whether or not you got paid. You did things that were interesting to you, and you sought out the opportunities instead of just kind of sitting around could you see some of the the teens of today, you know, who are so fascinated with, you know, electronics and online stuff, actually Ann Moses: uh-huh. John Verrico: getting out and trying to do some of these things. It's just It's so amazing. the opportunities that will present themselves when you just look for them and just be willing to take a chance. And so that Ann Moses: Yes. John Verrico: was amazing. So this is how your whole journey started. Now, you know, you Ann Moses: Mm-hmm. John Verrico: wind up you're you're traveling with at times with the Dave Clark Five. You're you know, you're you're hanging out with the Beach Boys, with the monkeys, with you know, all of these celebrities and you were having probably I'll call I'll say it again, a groovy life. And so yeah. And so while you're out there being Ann Moses: I was. John Verrico: groovy, you started something as as things progressed, right? You were sharing stories about these teen idols for all of the teens and preteen girls and stuff who were out there and just fascinated with them and you know, my, it's David Cassidy, you know. it's Peter Tork. All of those things, right? And so you were having opportunity that everyone wanted to have in their life. And so you started and I don't know when it started and we'll talk about it. I know it's in your book Ann Moses: Okay. John Verrico: and we'll talk about that too. But at some point you started to create opportunities for these fans to actually meet their idols or interact with them or attend live shows and You know, I remember probably one of the most astounding ones was, you know, you can adopt David Cassidy's puppy for crying out loud. I mean those Ann Moses: That was crazy, but it was so cool. I mean I mean and it it happened it's like it happened by accident, but by the time David Cassie came along, which was four years into my my time at Tiger Beet, I had a mindset and I had an I guess an internal I'm trying to think of the right word. I just It's like I had an internal mission that I wanted this to be what I would have wanted to read when I was twelve years old. And so I it it was easy. Once I read Tiger Beat and I saw some of the things they were putting in, it actually it enhanced the stories that I wrote, it enhanced the interviews because they were all reader focused and it's like I wanted to go beyond what I was seeing in other magazines at the time which was just kind of the same old what's your favorite color you know look he John Verrico: Yeah. Ann Moses: got a new hairdo this or that and I would get into particularly like with Peter Tork I would get into these philosophical discussions but the thing was I had I think I had enough respect for our readers to know they would like this too. They don't need the same, you know, manufactured stories every month about instead I was the one that was digging into their backgrounds, getting their baby pictures, you know. I knew every who doesn't love seeing anybody's baby pictures, let alone John Verrico: Ha ha ha. Ann Moses: your favorite star. So it just I really that's I think that's where my satisfaction came from in my job. And as you mentioned it's like meet meet this meet the stars. Well we started our first contest was fly to Hollywood. I think it was a fly to Hollywood and meet Bobby Sherman because when the monkeys were very big which was 66 to 68. Unfortunately, I wasn't in tune of how well the magazine was doing, what the possibilities were, but I brought it up to the publisher. And he said, yeah, we can do that. And it was so amazing because we we we knocked ourselves out, you know, we had the we had the the winner and the and the the chaperone stay like at the holiday inn right next to universal studios and of course we'd have their name you know up on the marquee as as we're driving up and I would always pick them up at the airport and everything. And so here we're driving up and it's like well welcome Susie Jones, Tiger Beat Winner. And of course we'd take a picture of them with that sign. Yes. John Verrico: on the marquee. On the marquee in front of the hotel. Ann Moses: Exactly. And it's like, you know, they're gonna be able to show this to all their friends. They're you know, they aren't just gonna go home and tell stories of their experiences. They're gonna have these these memories forever. And so it was so successful and so much fun. And I had so much fun being the tour guide for Hollywood. You know, where they okay, they would fly to Hollywood to meet Bobby Sherman, but we'd also go here to to Samantha Dolan's you know, crochet store. And we would go, you know, we would go to dinner with these different stars. And so not only were they getting to meet different different stars, but they were having these experiences, going to these cool restaurants in Hollywood, you know, just experiences they never could have dreamed of. And we were making it come true. And it and we always I always took them to Disneyland because my heart John Verrico: Ha ha. Ann Moses: never left Disneyland after I worked there. and it it was just, you know, it was the most magical place on earth, happiest place on earth I guess is it. And and so I mean another experience they didn't anticipate and of course it Your first time at Disneyland is always just the best. So John Verrico: I love, I love how you made the whole thing an adventure. You kind of reached into your own soul and took out your own dream and said, Boy, what would make this amazing? You know, if if this was me at this age, how amazing would this be? And it wasn't just, okay, you're gonna come, you're gonna go to maybe a Bobby Sherman show and then you'll get to meet him backstage for a few minutes and then off you go. Which is kind of the way things happen nowadays, right? It's it's a it's it's you know, it's it's a line. You know, you go, you get something signed and you're gone. This was beyond anything like that. You people had opportunities to go to rehearsals. You know, not only the person that was the the target person they were supposed to meet and whatever the contest Ann Moses: Come on. John Verrico: was for, but they got all this other stuff on top of that. That just made the whole thing an amazing, amazing dream come true. And beyond what they could have dreamed up themselves. So you put together these amazing packages. Ann Moses: were sure. And I you know, I think one of the reasons was that I had had a very I don't know what you'd call it, just average childhood. I mean my father was a banker, which meant he didn't make all that much money. My mom was John Verrico: Ha ha ha. Ann Moses: my mom was a stay-at-home mom. and our the only vacations we ever took were to drive up to my grandmother's house in Northern California. She lived in Pacific Grove, which was next to Monterey. And then my favorite aunt lived in Carmel. And she was an artist. And we would go up one week in the summer and one week at Thanksgiving. And I would I went to the little museum every time I went just by myself in Pacific Grove. looked at all the neat things. I would go out and climb climb the rocks every day at Lovers Point. But that was that John Verrico: Ha ha ha. Ann Moses: was it. You know, we didn't we didn't go we didn't go out to restaurants for sure. You know, there were that that just that wasn't in the budget. And of course I didn't think anything about it. But then here I am in Hollywood and I'm having these experiences. And sometimes a group would say to me, you know, after I'd go to a recording session with them and they go, we're gonna go here to dinner. Do you wanna come with us? And like the time that Jefferson Airplane, I had been at their recording session and I drove them back to the airport. And they go, Why don't you come with us? And I'm going, Because I'm in a dress and I have my camera and my purse and that's it. And they go, John Verrico: Ha ha ha. Ann Moses: we'll get you anything you need. And the next thing I knew, I'm on a plane and we're heading to San Francisco. So when when those things happened to me, I had to I had to bring the readers along, whether it was to tell them about the adventure, and then of course that morphed into you're gonna experience these things. And John Verrico: And that is that's what makes it s that so amazing. Ann Moses: Yeah, and it was and I knew it was gonna be so popular with the readers that didn't win the contest because they could dream about the next one. And they they could see that that we were doing these things and it was just and then we we had more of those. The next time we had three winners, and then the very best one. Well then there was the the the David Cassidy's puppies contest. Excuse me. It was amazing. John Verrico: That was a that one that one still just just blows me away. Ann Moses: I, you know, I'd gone over to David's at his dog and and Sam's dog, his his roommate, Sam Hyman. Their dogs had had puppies. And he goes, I've got to go on tour. I don't know what I'm going to do. And I said, Well, what if we had a contest? So the your readers could could your fans could could win a puppy and my mom'll take care of them in a you know in our backyard if the time it takes to put the contest in, you know, it was like a probably a two and a half, three month lead time for us to, you know, get the contest applicants in. Choose the winners, you know, their parents had to sign that this was okay. And then by that time the puppies were kind of grown up, and David was back off tour, and he said, can I come and see the puppies just before you send them off? And it was like, Of course. He comes down to my house, he's kissing my mom on the cheek and saying, Thanks for taking care of the puppies, you know, and she's all, you know, blushing. It was just it was the cutest thing. And so then I shipped the dogs by air and I've gotten, you know, I've gotten some internet trolls that didn't think that was very kind and I shouldn't have done this. But you know what the the all the dogs made it. Then we followed up with the families with the dog and and when it was full grown. And it it just was it was the best. You know, and I cried every time I had to take a dog to the airport, John Verrico: Yeah. Ann Moses: but it it was just I don't know, it was just so much fun. John Verrico: And and back then there were I mean, we're talking sixties, right? Early seventies. Ann Moses: Yes. John Verrico: So this is not a time when there really were other any other options. So yeah. But Ann Moses: No, no. And they went they went in cargo, but you know, it's like I know there have since been accidents with show dogs and they didn't get this and they didn't get that, but all of ours made it just great. The families picked up and then and then they just, you know, John Verrico: Things were different then too, yeah. Ann Moses: how cool is it to have one of David Cassidy's puppies? I mean John Verrico: It's it's just it's just so so amazing the whole and I keep saying that word over and over again because I truly am amazed at what you were able to do for for people and the adventures and the the experiences that you offered. Like I said, you know, you had you put yourself in there in that little little girl mindset and Ann Moses: Yes. John Verrico: you opened those doors and did so many things. So what were some of these contests like? I know you talked about some of them in your book and we'll we'll hit on that in a moment, but Just you know, you said there were contests that people would submit and then a winner would be chosen who can then have these experiences. Ann Moses: Yes. Well we'd have little ones, you know, win the shirt off Bobby's back. So Bobby Sherman, you know, we were doing a photo shoot, he'd we bought all these new shirts, you know, at the coolest place in town, you know, where everybody was buying their clothes. And then so then five winners won his shirt and one won his scarf. So that was cool, but that wasn't like the flight of Hollywood. John Verrico: Right. Ann Moses: I think I think the very best one and and this came to my mind after these other contest winners had been there because I knew you know they could sh they could show the pictures and after the contest winners came, we sent them an entire scrapbook of every picture the photographer had taken the whole time of them with every star and so they had I think they were five by seven prints, but i they got all the pictures in that form, not just on the newsprint in Tiger Bead. John Verrico: Wow. Ann Moses: So I mean and I you know, I was in contact with w the daughter of one of our contest winners and she still has it to this day. So Yeah. John Verrico: the daughter of one of the contests. When I was just gonna ask you know, did you get any follow up over the years from some of these folks? Ann Moses: we had. But the last one was I it it just came to my mind what if they could have a part in the Partridge family? 'Cause we were very close with the the Partridge family, you know people and we had contracted for to do the Partridge Friendly magazine, but it was like we would like you to put a little part, you know, maybe a one-line speaking role in For one of our contest winners. And they agreed to it. So it was be on TV with David Cassidy. And you know, in my mind, John Verrico: my. Ann Moses: I'm going, can you imagine the watch party with that family? You know, they couldn't John Verrico: Ha ha ha. Ann Moses: tape it, they could take screenshots with their John Verrico: No, they didn't have that back then. Yeah. Ann Moses: their cameras, but to be at the watch party with that young woman, all her friends, and her family, and there she is on TV with David Cassidy. I mean it was just the coolest thing ever. And of course, John Verrico: Huh. Ann Moses: she got she got to be made up to be in the show and she had one speaking line. And so not only did she go out and meet all the Partridge family, but her day on the set, she got complete mo makeup, they did her hair, then she has the speaking role. It was in the Partridge family one where Danny thinks he's gonna make a fortune. by with k John Verrico: Always the schemer. Ann Moses: with guinea pigs. And so, you know, of course they're overrun with guinea pigs and they end up giving a free guinea pig to everyone who, you know, buys their album. And she's in the line waiting for her autograph. And of course she says, you know, will you sign my album or whatever her line was? And and David answers her And then of course they hand her the little box with the with the guinea pig. And I mean it just could not have been cuter. But you know, David was so I think John Verrico: Now how old w how how old was that girl? Just out of curiosity. Ann Moses: she was sixteen. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, it it and she was j all the contest winners were so nice, with with one exception. One was a little bit I don't know. John Verrico: No, you'll you'll run into that every every once in a while, but Ann Moses: Yes, but the majority I just I I I just love them and and love their reactions and you know, it it just w it was as much fun for me as it was for them. John Verrico: Well, I I I refer to you whenever I talk about you at all, which is actually fairly often. because you're you're such a dear heart. but I do call you a dream maker. Ann Moses: I like that. I like that description because you know, my dreams came true even though I didn't have them written down in a journal saying I I want to be editor at Tiger Bee. It's just I knew I wanted to do something with my journalism and what it turned into was you know, pretty life changing for me. John Verrico: It was absol it was a a groovy life, as you say. Ann Moses: It was. John Verrico: and you you actually call it that in your book, Meow. My groovy life as Tiger Beat Tiger Beat My Groovy Life with Tiger Beats Teen Idols. And so yeah, I've we've got a copy here. Ann Moses: Ha ha ha. John Verrico: And so so this book is still available and this this came out not too long ago. Ann Moses: It came out in twenty seventeen, but it was John Verrico: Was it really that long ago? Wow. Ann Moses: and yet it's still still selling, yay. So John Verrico: Wow. Ann Moses: you know it's like it new people discover my my website and my but particularly my social media which is you know I'm on Facebook and Instagram and so somebody who's just scrolling and And they come across something that they remember from when they were young. And the thing that we didn't realize at Tiger Bead at the time, which I've realized since I've been doing the social media, is that that a third of my audience is male. So the boys were borrowing their sister's Tiger Beads, they were reading John Verrico: Mm-hmm. Ann Moses: it before she got home, they were buying their own copies. And there were you know, because the boys I think were fascinated, you know, what is this band like and and you know, how are they dressing? Because once it got over the the Beatles being called long hairs and being kind John Verrico: Yes. Ann Moses: of ostracized by by the John Verrico: Mop mop tops, right? Ann Moses: insecure youngsters, you know, then it was like I wanna be cool like the Beatles. I wanna John Verrico: Right. Ann Moses: be cool like You know, the monkeys. John Verrico: We all wanted to emulate we all wanted to emulate those people who were popular. Yes. Ann Moses: Yes. So you know, like I say, I didn't realize that at the time. although one boy won a scarf in the in the contest, which was really cool. But it just it's very rewarding for me to have people respond and say, you know, I you know, I read this, I loved it, you know, we found out. stuff we wanted to know about what was going on in Hollywood and so I was surprised as anybody but John Verrico: I've been telling some colleagues of mine that I was going to have you on the show and they were like, my god, Tiger Beat magazine. I still have some of my copies. I read it all the time. Ann Moses: I know it amazes me, you know, to this day, but it John Verrico: And and you know, you you you had the this groovy life, and I'm gonna keep keep calling it that. And Ann Moses: Ha ha ha. John Verrico: and and you did you had so much fun and you did so many wonderful things, and now here you are later in life, and you are still out there adventuring. I know you just got back from an amazing trip to Europe and traveled around, and I would like for you to briefly share what you did Because this just astounds me. first of all, I know that you and if you don't mind my sharing the fact that immediately after returning from your trip you went for knee surgery. You actually post postponed your knee re knee replacement surgery until after your trip, just so that you could you could go on this trip. And on your trip, you did something that I think is just blows people away. So tell us about that little bit of experience. Ann Moses: Well it's something that blew us away, I'll tell you. Now I'm seventy nine, my husband's seventy eight, and you know, we we John Verrico: Who you cougar? Ann Moses: yes, exactly. We the past few years had the the good fortune to to celebrate our anniversaries, mostly in Italy, which is where my husband's family is from, and that was Really great. My older son kind of was bugging me and it was like, Mom, you've got to see somewhere besides Italy. And it was, but we love Italy and there's so much more to see. But in the course of his mentioning that, then I started to investigate and we discovered Switzerland and we signed up for a rail tour because we just thought that would be so cool to go on all the different trains in Switzerland. And I mean we did not we didn't have a clue how amazing Switzerland is. I'm I'm still in awe of that country and it was just incredible. But the thing when we travel is we've we've had to accommodate a little bit of for our older needs, you know. It's not that easy for us to lug our suitcases. up and down onto a train. But John Verrico: Yeah. Ann Moses: you know, I mean that's the way you travel in Europe. Their high speed trains are just, you know, they're incredible. So we've had to make some adaptations. And the thing is when we went on this trip, because we we really like to go in the month of May, it's it's before the super big crowds are there. And John Verrico: Yeah, before the tourist season. Yeah. Ann Moses: and so I didn't know my knee was gonna act up because for years I've been getting the gel shots that you can get and they keep you comfortable for six months at a time, or they certainly had up to that point. Then we get to Switzerland and I'm finding out, no, it's really acting up. But it it was like, Well, I I can't let it stop me from these experiences, John Verrico: Back back to that bone on bone pain. Ann Moses: you know? And so we had We had gone on Glacier Three Thousand. We had taken a tour of Glacier Three Thousand, where you take a gondola up, and then there's a bridge that goes between these two mountains. It's called the Peak Walk, because you walk from the peak of one mountain to the peak of another mountain. And we went out on that. And it was just, you know, I mean, you know, some people were like, this isn't for me, I don't like heights and all that. We just were eating it up because here you see. John Verrico: I I I'm okay with heights. I I don't have a fear of heights. It's the fear of hitting the bottom that gets me. Ann Moses: There were guardrails. Anyway, we had done that and it was like, that was the coolest thing. And and so then when we got to Interloken, which is a charming town, yeah, a little in the western, yeah, western side of of Switzerland, and we our hotel room faced a park. And the first thing we saw was all these canopies. And we're out on the our balcony and all of a sudden all these paragliders are landing. And I'm going, that looks so fun. But of course I'm wondering, am I gonna rack up my knee even worse if we come down and have a hard landing? John Verrico: Sure. Ann Moses: You know, because you've seen skydivers, they kind of, you know, really plunk on the ground. But no, everyone just had this smooth transition and they literally they they brought the whole thing to a stop and people would just stand up and it was like, well, we can do that. We went and made a reservation for the next day because we had a free day where we could go John Verrico: Paragliding. Ann Moses: anywhere we wanted. And we went paragliding. And they said when we were signing up, they said, now you have to be able to run for forty meters. Which is what? That that's that's quite a ways John Verrico: Yeah. Ann Moses: when you're taking off. And I'm going, well, I you know, I figured, you know, my pilot who's behind me is gonna have to do the majority of the running. But as it turned out, we get all hooked in and you know my pilot's behind me and the wind caught the canopy before we ever even had a chance to take a step when we're up on on the top of the mountain. and then off we were and we were flying and it was the coolest feeling like I have never experienced and it just both both Tony and I were just so psyched and it was just it was an experience I well we want to repeat it because it was just the neatest feeling to feel so free and the you know, these beautiful views out in front of us and great air temperature. I mean, we couldn't have asked for anything neater. So John Verrico: Wow. Ann Moses: and a smooth landing for sure. So it was we continue to do everything we're capable of doing. you know, the 'cause we really were afraid John Verrico: Well key yeah. Ann Moses: to ski like we did when we were younger. You know, we skied with our sons for sixteen years and well not Yeah, no, not sixteen years, probably ten years, but you know, we skied every winter with the boys because we raised them in in Colorado Springs. And you know, but we would be afraid to do that now, afraid. It what you know, we were good skiers, but you still fall down sometimes and it was like John Verrico: Right. Ann Moses: back then you didn't really worry about it. Now it'd be like, Am I gonna you know, blow out my hip? I y you just don't wanna take the chance. And but the activities we found were just fantastic. So John Verrico: Well, you are you are truly an inspiration. still having a a wonderful, adventurous, a groovy life with everything that you're doing. And I'm just so joyful that that we have met and that we've had this opportunity Ann Moses: I agree, John. John Verrico: to be on on this show together. Thank you so much for for joining me today. And I'm gonna put some information in the show notes how people can follow your adventures. And also how they can get a copy of Meow, Ann Moses: Right. John Verrico: which is a a fantastic book about your groovy life in with Tiger Beat. And it's been d absolutely delightful. Thank you so much for joining. Ann Moses: Well it's been my pleasure and we could talk all day. John Verrico: I know, I know. We are we're actually over the normal amount of time that we normally allow for the show, but Ann Moses: I figured John Verrico: but but that's quite okay because I've enjoyed every minute of it and I know my listeners will as well too. Ann Moses: Well, thanks so much for having me, John. John Verrico: Absolutely. Big hugs to you. Take care. Thanks, Ann Moses: Okay, bye bye. John Verrico: folks. Thanks for listening. You want to go back and probably listen to this one a couple of times because there's a lot of little fun mini stories in here as well. And keep listening to the Share Your Fire podcast. You never know who's going to show up here with me. Take care. Thanks everyone. Ann Moses: Thank you.