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5 Things We Learned From Ohio State's 20-13 Win At Penn State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Sunday, November third, I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, tom or the Purdue game in six days,
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  Speaker 1: the game against Michigan in just twenty seven days. The
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State Buckeyes picked up their biggest win of the
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  Speaker 1: season because when in quite a little while feels like
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  Speaker 1: twenty to thirteen over Penn State in Happy Valley on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: Joined by Kevin Noon of bucke Huddle dot Com. Kevin,
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  Speaker 1: I think my big takeaway from this is not just
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  Speaker 1: they won, which is great. That's important, number four of us,
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  Speaker 1: number three road win, all that kind of stuff probably
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  Speaker 1: functionally in the college football playoff. Now we'll probably talk
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  Speaker 1: about that later, but that's great. How they won. Offensive
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  Speaker 1: line played well, running game was good, defense played well,
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  Speaker 1: linebackers had a good game. Jaden Fielding made a couple
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  Speaker 1: of field goals. It felt like all of the things
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  Speaker 1: that Ohio State fans have been pulling their hair out
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  Speaker 1: over over the last couple of weeks, all of those
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  Speaker 1: things kind of fell into place when they really needed
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  Speaker 1: them to.
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  Speaker 2: There will be people who point out some negatives, but
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  Speaker 2: those people are just the last half empty type. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I look at this game as a success.
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  Speaker 2: Some people are going to say it's the top five wins,
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  Speaker 2: which because it is, other people are gonna be like,
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  Speaker 2: what's only Penn State. And Ohio State does own Penn
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  Speaker 2: State and hasn't lost them since twenty sixteen. But Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State put itself behind the eight ball pretty quick and
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  Speaker 2: was down ten nothing. Penn State had an eight minute
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  Speaker 2: drive only resulted in three points in the first Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State series a couple of plays, Will Howard throws a
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  Speaker 2: pick six, and I mean it wasn't really a good one,
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  Speaker 2: and it had been really easy for Ohio State to
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  Speaker 2: pack it up and just say, well, just not our year, Vacondos,
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  Speaker 2: but they didn't, and they got out there and they
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  Speaker 2: wanted in the trenches, and people wanted to see the
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  Speaker 2: Q run, and we saw a little bit more of
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  Speaker 2: the Q run. I mean, if you would have told
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  Speaker 2: me before the game that Ohio State would have had,
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  Speaker 2: you know, fifty six more rushing yards than Penn State,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I might have been skeptical coming out
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  Speaker 2: of the Nebraska game, a game where Ohio State really
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  Speaker 2: didn't do anything, where Ohio State only had forty seven
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  Speaker 2: offensive plays, But you know, we saw toughness out of
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the trenches on both sides. I think
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  Speaker 2: we saw some redemption for some guys in the secondary
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  Speaker 2: that have had a couple of missteps in the last
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  Speaker 2: few weeks. It's really a good game, and Ryan Day
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  Speaker 2: looked relaxed. He interviews this past week were a little contentious.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he laughed, you know, he was kind of
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  Speaker 2: joking with a couple of writers as he was walking out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the private conversations. I won't get into all
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  Speaker 2: of that, but I mean you could tell he was
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  Speaker 2: relaxed and onto the next one. You're gonna be able
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  Speaker 2: to enjoy this one, you know, pretty much until you
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  Speaker 2: know the tires touchdown in Columbus and then it's on
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  Speaker 2: to Purdue.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a game where so much of the
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  Speaker 1: conversation leading up to the game center on the offensive line,
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  Speaker 1: and they ended up doing what we had been talking
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  Speaker 1: about them doing pretty much all week, which is Donovan
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  Speaker 1: Jackson at left tackle, Carson Hintzman at left guard, and
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  Speaker 1: then Seth Maclaughlan, Taker Shibola, and Josh Fryer from center
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  Speaker 1: to right tackle. That is we talked about it all
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  Speaker 1: week as that is the you know, your most veteran,
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  Speaker 1: your most proven, your guys who have been through the backs,
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  Speaker 1: been through the fire is already, who have played in
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  Speaker 1: hostile environments. An offensive line, that was the single biggest question.
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  Speaker 1: Zero fall starts in a very hostile environment. Four point
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  Speaker 1: four yards per carry, which is good one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy six yards on forty carries. And then man, oh Man,
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  Speaker 1: when they really really really needed to be able to
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  Speaker 1: run the football at the end of the game, where
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  Speaker 1: they're coming out of their own defense, get to stop
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  Speaker 1: at the one they come out from their own the
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  Speaker 1: shadow of their own goal line with five minutes and
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  Speaker 1: eighteen seconds or something like that left on the clock,
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  Speaker 1: and all they have to do is be able to
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  Speaker 1: run the ball. And I said to people, nice to me,
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  Speaker 1: if they get two first downs, they're in pretty good shape.
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  Speaker 1: And I think they got four first downs. It was
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  Speaker 1: that was Ohio State doing something that over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over over the last couple of years, we've heard, well,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State can't do that. You know, lots of other
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  Speaker 1: teams can do that. Ohio State never does that well
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  Speaker 1: with a patchwork, makeshift, updated, whatever you want to say,
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  Speaker 1: offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: They did that the question will come out why Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State didn't come to this determination before the Nebraska game.
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  Speaker 2: They came off of the Oregon game. Josh Simmons was
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  Speaker 2: hurt in the Oregon game, had the open week, and
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  Speaker 2: then played Nebraska. I don't think that. I mean, we can,
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  Speaker 2: we can litigate and re litigate that all we want,
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  Speaker 2: but now we are at this situation. Zim Mahowsky was out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we don't know the severity. We obviously wanted
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  Speaker 2: a full, a quick and full recovery for Zen but
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  Speaker 2: this seems like the right decision. And running the ball
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  Speaker 2: is impressive. Running the ball when the opposing team knows
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  Speaker 2: you are absolutely one thousand percent running the ball is
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  Speaker 2: more impressive. And you know, Ohio State went into its
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  Speaker 2: four minute offense at that point of just you know,
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  Speaker 2: to bleed the clock, and it was I mean, Trevon
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  Speaker 2: and Quinchean did what they needed to, but will you
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  Speaker 2: know called his own number several times, and Penn State
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  Speaker 2: had no answer, and you know we're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to just you know, see how each team kind of
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  Speaker 2: responds to that. I mean, Penn State is in a
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  Speaker 2: good position because it doesn't have anybody left on its schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State has a couple of games that we're all
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  Speaker 2: going to say or layups, but then Indiana and the
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  Speaker 2: team up north. So we we haven't we haven't gotten
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  Speaker 2: to the final answer on this on this exam at
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  Speaker 2: this point, but you know, we're starting, we're starting to
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  Speaker 2: see the picture coming together.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny earlier you talked about the Q run, and
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  Speaker 1: that works on a couple of different levels because normally
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  Speaker 1: when you have about the Q run, that's the quarterback run.
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  Speaker 1: That's Will Howard. Twelve carries twenty four yards, nothing enormous,
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  Speaker 1: and there were I think three sacks off that came
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  Speaker 1: off of that, so it was not it was not
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  Speaker 1: really twelve runs. But he hit some big plays. He
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  Speaker 1: had one that sure as heck, looked like it was
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  Speaker 1: about to be a touchdown and then ball got knocked
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  Speaker 1: out of his hands right at the right at the
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  Speaker 1: goal line, ended up going out of the end zone.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll spur another week of hashtag discourse about
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  Speaker 1: the touchback rule and whether whether that's fair or overly punitive.
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  Speaker 2: It's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: It's you love it when it happens to the other team.
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  Speaker 1: You hate it when it happens to your team. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was an almost touchdown for Will Howard. But the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the Q run was Quinshawn Judkins, who
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  Speaker 1: fourteen carries ninety five yards six point eight yards per carry.
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  Speaker 1: He hit some big ones, not eighty yard big, but
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  Speaker 1: important runs in moments when they really needed it, picked
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  Speaker 1: up some third downs on that last drive long of
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  Speaker 1: twenty two. This was one of those games where he's
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  Speaker 1: had an up and down kind of seasons a number
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  Speaker 1: of guys on the team have had. This is one
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  Speaker 1: of those games where you brought in Will Howard to
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  Speaker 1: win this kind of game, you brought in quinn John
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  Speaker 1: Judkins to win this kind of game, and those guys
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  Speaker 1: were both a significant part of the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: won this game.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about converting third downs, Ohio State was one
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  Speaker 2: of ten against Nebraska. Hio State was six to twelve
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  Speaker 2: on third down in this game and one of one
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  Speaker 2: on fourth down, So they were able. The Buckeys were
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  Speaker 2: able to punch it in when it mattered and be
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  Speaker 2: able to do those types of things, and that is
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  Speaker 2: that was one of the biggest questions in my mind
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  Speaker 2: coming out of that Nebraska game, is that gonna be
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  Speaker 2: something that's going to grow roots. Is that something that's
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  Speaker 2: going to continue where the team looks great until it
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  Speaker 2: gets a third down and then just can't seem to
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  Speaker 2: figure it out. I mean, we've we've read that book.
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  Speaker 2: We've read that book in previous seasons. This was not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be the year of that. And I think
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  Speaker 2: this Penn State game is a tremendous step in the
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  Speaker 2: right direction for what Ohio State was able to do
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  Speaker 2: to prolonged drives and do those types of things.
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  Speaker 1: And I think another thing that was really interesting about
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  Speaker 1: this game was it was not just the usual guys.
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  Speaker 1: It was not the usual suspects for this team. Jeremiah Smith,
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  Speaker 1: for the first time in his Ohio State career, did
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  Speaker 1: not have a touchdown, didn't have a receiving touchdown for
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  Speaker 1: the first time in his career, also did not have
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  Speaker 1: a rushing touchdown. He finished with four catches fifty five yards,
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  Speaker 1: seven targets. That's a relatively quiet day for him by
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  Speaker 1: his standards, his Insane standards and Mecca book of three
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  Speaker 1: catches thirty one yards, had a touchdown. That was the
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  Speaker 1: first touchdown. That was an enormous play in terms of
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  Speaker 1: a momentum swing. Two catches thirty three yards for Brandon Innis,
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  Speaker 1: two catches fifteen yards a touchdown for Brandon Innis as well.
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  Speaker 1: That was another enormous play. Two catches fifteen yards for
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  Speaker 1: Carnenell Tape. This was a relatively quiet day all things
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  Speaker 1: considered in the passing game, but they did it with
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  Speaker 1: the run. Will I picked almost exactly the right score.
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  Speaker 1: I had twenty to seventeen instead of twenty to thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: But I will absolutely raise my hand and confess that
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  Speaker 1: was not the football game I was expecting.
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  Speaker 2: This is the type of team in my opinion, And
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  Speaker 2: again let's not get ahead of ourselves at the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: This was one game. Then again, it was going against
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  Speaker 2: the number three team in the nation at their house.
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  Speaker 2: But this is not the team that we've seen lose
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  Speaker 2: the toughness battle against the team up north the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of games. And you know, I think that Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State fans are even more bullish on what's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen at the end of November seeing the Buckeyes be
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  Speaker 2: able to come out and out tough a team, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know where everybody's going to be
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  Speaker 2: in terms of their thoughts on there. But there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people, myself included, that have felt that
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State had gotten a little too finesse, and today,
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  Speaker 2: you know, changes that up when you have forty rushes
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  Speaker 2: against twenty four pass attempts.
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  Speaker 1: And on the other side of the ball. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there were questions about the offensive lineals, questions about the
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  Speaker 1: run game. There were plenty of questions about the defense,
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  Speaker 1: plenty of questions about the linebackers, plenty of questions about
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  Speaker 1: how the secondary was going to hold up, plenty of
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  Speaker 1: questions about the pass rush. All of those questions got answered.
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  Speaker 1: The defense did not give up a touchdown during the game.
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  Speaker 1: Six points Now, they had a pass in the end
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  Speaker 1: zone that looked like it might have been a touchdown
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  Speaker 1: and then ended up turning into an interception by Davis
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  Speaker 1: and Agunosen, And they had a goal line stand at
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  Speaker 1: the literal one yard line, fourth and goal at the
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  Speaker 1: one got off the field. I know that it's easy
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  Speaker 1: to what if and yeah, but when you've got two
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  Speaker 1: almost touchdowns, but they give observer touchdowns and for a
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  Speaker 1: unit that I think everyone has been looking at and
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  Speaker 1: going yeah, But when it really matters and the chips
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  Speaker 1: are really down. They never seen to get the stop
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  Speaker 1: they needed to. They got some real important stops in
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  Speaker 1: that game.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of you know, they're gonna still be the
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  Speaker 2: people are going to complain where the sacks. They had
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  Speaker 2: two sacks and they were both in the same drive,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and they came at a very critical point.
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  Speaker 2: But the goal line stand was so important. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, technically two goal line stands with the the
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  Speaker 2: IGB interception and then then the one where they stood
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  Speaker 2: them up after. You know, Penn State put together a
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  Speaker 2: long run. I think that was certainly inside of eight minutes,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it was even inside of five minutes. I was
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  Speaker 2: heading down to the field at that point. That's the
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  Speaker 2: kind of toughness that you want to see. That was
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  Speaker 2: something where Ohio State wasn't successful against an Oregon. And again,
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  Speaker 2: Oregon is not Penn State. Penn State is not Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: You can't you know, you can't sit there and try
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  Speaker 2: and use algebra to say, well, I one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: believe that they have they've grown from it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think they've grown from it, but you know, we
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  Speaker 2: can't we can't quantify that exactly. But the defense really
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  Speaker 2: had it going on. I'd still like to see more pressure.
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  Speaker 2: I would still like to see more pressure. But Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State really kind of had its plan of how it
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  Speaker 2: was going to try and keep everything in front of
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  Speaker 2: them in a lot of ways, and Penn State just
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  Speaker 2: did not have a lot of chunk plays. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you had, you had the you had the Warren, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Warren thirty three yard rush, but you know, Warrant
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  Speaker 2: Warren had the long reception too with thirty one yards.
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  Speaker 2: But Tyler Warren did not beat them. They didn't let
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  Speaker 2: him beat them. And I think, honestly, if you can
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  Speaker 2: do that and then you can keep Drew Allar from
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  Speaker 2: beating you, the recipe for successes there well.
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  Speaker 1: And Penn State's got some pretty good running backs. Nick Singleton,
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  Speaker 1: k Tron Allen. Allen twelve carries twenty seven yards two
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  Speaker 1: point three yards per carry. Nick Singleton six carries fifteen
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  Speaker 1: yards two point five yards per carry. They basically did
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  Speaker 1: two Penn States very talented running backs. What Nebraska did
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  Speaker 1: to Ohio State's very talented running backs a week ago
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  Speaker 1: that everyone went, well, you know, they'll never be good again.
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  Speaker 1: I think there are Penn State fans right now wondering
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  Speaker 1: if Penn State will ever be good again, because that's
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  Speaker 1: that's the kind of loss that they had where it
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  Speaker 1: just it never they never felt like they were in sync.
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  Speaker 1: It was just they hit the one, the one long
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  Speaker 1: play to Tyler Allen or Tyler Warren. That's kind of
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  Speaker 1: the long run that's set up that sequence with that
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  Speaker 1: ended with the goal line stand. Yet they have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of dip into their bag. They couldn't just line
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  Speaker 1: up and beat Ohio State on the line. They kind
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  Speaker 1: of had to get a little get a little funky,
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  Speaker 1: do some different stuff. They had a lot of Drew
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  Speaker 1: Aller runs in the first half, which is not something
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  Speaker 1: that you normally expect from him. So it felt like
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State could line up, especially at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the game. You know that let's go back to that
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  Speaker 1: last drive five minutes in the sixteen seconds or from
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  Speaker 1: the thirteen seconds, whatever it was. When they got the
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  Speaker 1: ball back at their own one yard line, everyone in
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  Speaker 1: the world knows they're gonna run, and they did to
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  Speaker 1: Penn State what Michigan did to Penn State last year.
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  Speaker 1: When you knew, hey, they don't really trust JJ McCarthy.
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  Speaker 1: They're just gonna run the ball, and they ran the
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  Speaker 1: ball thirty Whatever plays in a row, it ran it
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  Speaker 1: and plays in a row. But that's a time when
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  Speaker 1: everyone in the stadium knows you're gonna run it and
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  Speaker 1: you can still run it. That's something that Ryan Day
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  Speaker 1: has talked about. Boy, we really have to be able
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  Speaker 1: to do this. They were able to do it on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday and in the biggest moment of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State doesn't view Penn State as its rival. Penn State,
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  Speaker 2: I do think views Ohio State as its rival. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to try and compare Ohio State Penn State
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  Speaker 2: to Ohio State Michigan. People are quite pissed that Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State has dropped three in a row to Michigan. Penn
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  Speaker 2: State has not beaten Ohio State since twenty sixteen, and
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  Speaker 2: that was a flukey game, and then I think you
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  Speaker 2: have to go back another five seasons or something somewhere
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  Speaker 2: around there. I had it in tail of the twenty
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  Speaker 2: eleven twenty eleven, yeah, the one year interim fickle year there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there has been very little success for Penn
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  Speaker 2: State against Ohio State, and five, six, seven minutes into
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  Speaker 2: this game, I think Penn State fans were fully engaged,
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  Speaker 2: fully fully in do it. This is going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: We're up ten nothing, We've got all this going on,
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  Speaker 2: and once Ohio State kind of figured it out, once
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  Speaker 2: once Chip started calling the right place, if you will,
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  Speaker 2: but once you started calling the plays that we're working.
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  Speaker 2: I told Tony Gertaman I'm sitting next to him in
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  Speaker 2: the press box. I said, the only buddy people that
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  Speaker 2: are going to stop Ohio State are going to be
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State at this point, because I don't think Penn
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  Speaker 2: State really has an answer. And you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: early in the game, a big observation I had was
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State was terrible on the first plays of its series.
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  Speaker 2: Between the first three series, it had a grant to
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  Speaker 2: hole of one yard, there was a run for no gain,
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  Speaker 2: there was a run for one yard, and there was
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  Speaker 2: an incomplete pass. So Ohio State, your homework, Ohio State,
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  Speaker 2: if you're watching coaches, your homework is quicker starts, because
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  Speaker 2: that has been the problem. You'd sit there and you
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  Speaker 2: look at the scoring by quarters and everything else. And
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State's kind of been a second half team. Only
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  Speaker 2: put up six points in the second half. But when
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  Speaker 2: you only when you only have twenty points, you kind
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  Speaker 2: of take a one. You can get them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when the defense gives up six points and
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  Speaker 1: you score six points in the second half, well they're
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  Speaker 1: not in bad shape there. So buckuys heading home. We
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  Speaker 1: will be heading home as well. I'll have a state
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  Speaker 1: with a twenty to thirteen win over Penn State. And
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  Speaker 1: now things get interesting. We are into November college football playoff.
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  Speaker 1: The first rankings reveal comes out on Tuesday evening and
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  Speaker 1: nothing else going on that night, so you can just
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• 16:31
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a better show than if they lost.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh boy, oh boy. Am I looking forward
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• 16:43
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• 16:45
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• 16:55
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• 16:58
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• 17:00
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• 17:03
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• 17:19
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