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#130: Secret Santa / PBJ Agencies / Steel Business / Trump’s 1st Year · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together.
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  Maybe like a minute or two in just to listen back and just
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  make sure that the audio is good because I just started using
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  this for the first time. My wife got this as a 30th
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  birthday present. Dude, Secret Santa, I I was
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  podcast list for a week. I was going to do a solo episode
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  today and and the other day and I think on Chavez, friends of
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  ours, Kiwi friend of the podcast who also single handedly
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  demolished about four where they were unpublishable because we
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  were drinking while we recorded them and it went out of it got
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  out of control last week. We did one on Christmas night
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  and like 45 minutes into it, I was like, we can't do this
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  anymore. And then and then I, we started
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  over and then another half an hour and we're like, OK, we're
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  just going to, we're going to call it quits.
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  It's not possible. What's going on, man?
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  How are you? I'm doing great.
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  I'm doing great. I'm enjoying the weather.
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  It's a little bit nippy tonight. The Florida standards.
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  But that's the way I like it here.
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  But I love it. Here's the reason why you lived
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  there. This is why we're down here.
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  How often are you down here? Not often enough.
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  I'd like to be down here pretty much all winter and I and summer
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  too. I I don't mind the sweat.
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  Yeah. If I'm appropriately dressed,
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  which is not much at all. Yeah.
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  Then you know. Definitely.
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  Give me a beer and a swimming pool and I don't care how a lot
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  of kids. How long you been coming down to
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  Florida spending time here? Well, I mean to visit for, you
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  know, 30 years, maybe more, but regularly since 10 years ago
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  maybe. Yeah.
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  Love it. I've got relatives here.
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  So cool. It's great.
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  It's great. And my brother who he lives in
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  Nicaragua half the year so. No way.
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  Yeah, he's. He's how do you pick on?
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  How do you pick Nicaragua? Oh.
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  Man, he's, well, he's not really that falsitish, if you know what
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  I mean. And it he, he travels a lot.
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  He travels to Colombia, Nicaragua, Belize.
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  That's all Central America, technical or South.
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  He, he goes all over. He he's one of those people at
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  American Airlines. They send him personal letters
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  because he spends so much with them.
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  Yeah, but he's got a place in Miami.
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  And when he's not there, which is most of the time, so I used
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  to just crash at his place and take his car and his apartment.
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  Good brother. Sort of assume his life,
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  basically. And.
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  Yeah. And he's a whiskey aficionado,
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  so you get into his place and. And there's whiskey and
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  everything else you need. And.
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  And even though he doesn't keep too much, he kept a shelf for me
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  in the freezer full of the food that I can eat.
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  There you go. Yeah.
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  That's awesome. That's awesome.
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  My dad has a log cabin in North Carolina in the mountains, right
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  in the right in the border. It's actually closer to the
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  nearest. The nearest town is in
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  Tennessee. OK Johnson City.
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  It's and then the next closest city in our next biggest city in
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  North Carolina is Asheville. It's about, yeah, maybe it's
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  funny because it's maybe 30-40 miles, but it's about an hour
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  and 20 minute drive because it's all side roads and mountains.
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  Like it's all just like a little one way dinky Rd. like through
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  the woods. I've been there, been there.
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  A friend of mine, but we'll talk about him in a minute, but he
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  used to live in Maggie Valley and Maggie Valley is near a tail
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  of the dragon famous, really, really curvy Rd. that the
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  motorcycles of the world flocked to.
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  OK, so when I was down there a couple years back, he and I went
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  on a motorcycle ride through Maggie Valley.
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  And when we got back, I was so happy I didn't crash his BMW
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  bike. And I said, and of course we're
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  going to change the names and organizations to protect the
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  innocents and the not so innocent.
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  So I said Bob. We'll call him Bob.
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  A good way to start. Bob I I didn't wreck your bike.
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  He's like, that's good, that's good.
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  I said. Bob, one out of 10, how hard
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  were you pushing on this very difficult all day cruise that we
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  took through the mountains? And he said about a four.
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  Now I've been riding since I'm thirteen years old and that four
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  for him was a 10 for me. Yeah, Yeah.
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  Very challenging, right? But great, rewarding.
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  We went to the top of Mount Pisca.
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  OK, where is that? Do you know what Pisca means?
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  Pisca. Pisca in in.
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  Hebrew means point. The peak, the peak, OK, It's
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  called Mount Pisca there. You go and I know.
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  Mount Peak? Do you know who named it Mount
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  Pisca? I believe the CHUMASH Indians
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  CHUMASH spell it. Out Kumashi.
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  That's what the tribe was. I don't wear it.
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  Yeah, look it up. Humash or Humash Indians.
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  And they they call it Mount Pisca.
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  Like ah, hello. Wow. 10 Lost tribes, anyone?
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  So when we got to the peak, it was like in the 30s, yeah, it
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  was so cold up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It was nice because hand heated handle bars and heated sea, but
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  I was still absolutely frozen. So.
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  So Bob used to work for an organization, we'll call it the
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  PPJI. Love PPJ like.
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  Peanut butter Jelly. Yeah, like PPJ.
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  Yeah. So I know Bob a long time 'cause
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  when Bob worked for the PBJI was a little involved with Bob, but
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  we'll get to that in a minute. OK, wait before he can you give
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  me, Can you give me any kind of context or background
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  information that might be useful for this?
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  I grew up Orthodox, mostly in, you know, small towns.
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  Generally Midwest. Midwest.
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  I've been closer to God and further.
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  We all have. Yeah, we just, it's a journey.
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  Hopefully in the end we we're closer than when we.
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  Start up. Yeah, you grew up a bit, but you
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  got to explore. When you're young, everybody
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  explores to some extent. Sure.
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  I was fortunate enough to have a lot of experiences in my life.
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  Some were good, some were better.
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  That's a good answer. Right.
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  Right, right. Praise the Lord, I'll tell you
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  that I've still, I'm still OK after all I've seen and done,
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  seen and done, we're we're still ticket.
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  One of my favorite I I went, I went to a College in Binghamton,
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  upstate New York and the rabbi, the Kabad rabbi there or Rabaine
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  there was very close with he used to say as Bracha, they'd
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  say busing. They would say it should be
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  revealed it it's all the blessing in your life should be
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  revealed. Blessing as in everything is
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  good. But like it takes time for you
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  to see that it's good, you know, so to be revealed how it's good
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  to you, like you should see how it's good in your life because
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  that's the challenge is when like we don't understand exactly
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  what things are about and what things are for and when things
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  happen and they're not the way you plan them out to be
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  necessarily, it's still good. It's just you got to recalibrate
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  what you consider to be, I guess what you're looking for.
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  Yeah, when we were young we were always taught it's like taking a
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  beautiful canvas and slapping a bunch of oil based paint on it
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  and you're ruining the whole thing.
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  But if you give it some time, maybe a couple of 100 or maybe a
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  couple thousand years, the painter, it's evident.
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  The painter knows what he's doing.
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  Sometimes we just see the ruining of the canvas.
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  But. I like to see it.
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  I like to imagine a sculpture by the way, because that's like we
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  are chipping away at a rock and like you could only see the form
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  as things are falling away. Sort of like your poetry, right
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  when you started it. Sometimes it's garbled and then
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  you got to move things around a little bit and change some
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  words. So in the end, I see where
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  you're going with this. Yeah, I wrote.
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  Poetry when I was younger and braver, yeah.
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  I I love poetry. The big hardest part of poetry,
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  of writing it for me is actually editing.
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  I'm a one draft. I'm a one draft writer.
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  See, you got to have somebody else edit it.
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  Yeah. You can't read your own stuff.
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  Your brain reads something that's not there.
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  It reads what you what you want to be there.
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  Yeah. And when somebody else sees it
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  and critiques it, and sometimes it's painful, but they they
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  really can get it. Anything has to be done outside.
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  Yeah, reading out loud helps with that process to me when I,
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  when I, when I read it out loud to myself.
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  And I actually encourage my high school students to do the same
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  thing. A lot of times when we're doing
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  assignment in class once more, a lot of times in assignment
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  class, they'll say I'm done and I'll be like, we did you edit it
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  And they'll say, yeah, and I'll be like, read out loud to
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  yourself and then come back to me.
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  And if there's no changes, you didn't read out loud to yourself
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  because no one gets that right. You know, it's, it's tough.
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  My first college course ever was an English course.
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  It was English one O 1 and I had a professor.
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  I I've fallen out of touch with him, but he was a fantastic
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  individual. His name was Harry Krinicky and
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  Harry on the first day told us use your imagination, don't be
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  afraid of it. He says.
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  Everybody got a piece of paper and a pen.
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  I'm going to leave the class for 15 minutes.
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  When I come back, I want 2 pages back, front and back.
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  I want a story, no questions asked.
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  If you can't write it, you don't belong in this class.
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  Then he left. He made us write.
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  And, you know, some of them were terrible, but at least we got
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  into it. Just you'll get the editing
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  later. Yeah.
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  Jump into the pool. Yeah, yeah.
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  A big part of it is if my experience at least is learning
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  how we think. We tend to think in general non
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  linear, non linearly, but we try to train ourselves to stay
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  linear. But a lot of creativity is that
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  non linear jumping around train of thoughts.
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  It's all associated, right? And so, like if I tell you
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  again, if I tell you what's the first thing you think of, you
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  know, at a backyard pool party, your story that you're going to
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  paint is very different than the story that I paint, you know,
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  and a lot of times. I was thinking of alcohol.
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  I don't know about you. Oh, well, yeah, Yeah.
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  But what's the setting? Where are you?
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  Like if you were like to imagine like as a shot or like a shot as
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  a movie and like you're creating a little world, the world that
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  you're creating is probably not this backyard over here, you
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  know it's. Probably it could be.
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  It could be, but that's probably not your media association.
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  You're it's probably something at home.
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  It's probably something you know with with more people that you
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  care about or like a particularly fond or unpleasant
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  moment. You know something or the other.
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  But but the point is that there's like there's a nonlinear
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  train of thought that we're not used to following.
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  And it's totally cool too, you know, and there's nothing wrong
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  with kind of just taking paths, different paths and seeing where
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  trains of thought and seeing where they go, even if they
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  don't necessarily make sense. And we make sense of things and
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  it takes. It takes some bravery to to get
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  off the path, yeah, but it also takes some bravery to stay on
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  the path. Yeah.
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  You know the finest. Well, they used to be anyways.
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  I'm not sure if they still are, but the finest organization,
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  military organization in the world is the Secret Service.
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  They are the best trained American Secret Service.
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  American Secret Service. Yeah, the best trained
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  operators. And well, they used to be
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  anyways, like I said. But for a time they were, they
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  were really the best. And what's made them stand out
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  was that they were anonymous. They weren't there when the
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  president or whoever they were guarding dressed in a suit.
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  They dressed in a suit when the president or wherever they were
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  guarding was in a polo and some shorts.
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  That's where they were, too. You didn't want to see them.
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  They need to blend in. They they had to have no ego.
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  In order to have no ego, you got to do the same bland thing all
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  the time. Yeah, but that really requires a
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  great sense of ego, a great sense of self.
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  They were very, they're supposed to be very assured.
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  They were well trained. They knew what they were doing.
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  They knew their mission. And therefore they didn't have
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  to brag. They didn't have to tell people
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  what they were doing because they knew it.
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  And it takes a certain bravery to stay on the path.
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  It takes some bravery to wear black and white.
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  Let's just say that's brave in a, in a, you know, yeshiva
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  setting and not we'll see. I need to, I need to have some
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  color in my life because color's fun.
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  And black and white is not so much fun.
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  And so it, it requires bravery to get off the path and do
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  things that other people don't do.
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  And also, there's a time where you just put your head down and
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  do your homework. That's what you need to do right
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  now. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
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  I spoke to someone in the podcast that was in the secret
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  is not what was it for? It was Secret Service, but it
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  was perimeter. It was like sweeping before and
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  after, like setting the. That's Secret Service.
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  They do lots and. He said that a lot of people
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  burn out within the first couple of years because of how
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  monotonous it is and a lot of people use it as a stepping
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  stone to something else. And that very rarely do people
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  like people don't have the tolerance of the patients,
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  especially because presumably you're signing up for action and
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  it takes a long time to get there and it takes.
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  Yeah. Back.
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  Yeah, that's what you said. What do you think about that?
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  I had the opportunity to work with those fine gentlemen on
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  many occasions, OK? And I tell you I have utmost
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  respect for them and what they do.
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  And a lot of it is boring and monotonous and goes on and on
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  with no sense of attaboy. You did a great job because
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  nothing happened. Validation, right?
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  Zero. I mean, nothing happened, so
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  therefore you did a great job. On the flip side, when things do
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  happen, you know, all heck breaks loose, right?
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  Or when one or two of them in a 50 year period step out of line,
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  like in Martha's Vineyard, I think years ago, couple of them
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  got drunk or something like that.
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  Big deal. You got a huge organization, a
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  couple of them have a couple drinks and what happens?
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  It's like a priest spit on the ground.
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  Hey, he just spit on the ground. But no, he's a priest.
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  Priests don't spit in public, right?
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  A rabbi does something big deal. He's got a little stain on his
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  clothing and And what the rabbi? You can't understand and.
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  Blow me over the rabbi, Right. So the secret serves the same
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  thing, like they're supposed to be the best.
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  So a couple of them have a problem and it becomes look how
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  bad they are. But yeah, they're it.
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  It's difficult. Now.
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  I would say that the secret servers have the same job as
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  many of us over and over again, like you were saying in a
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  previous podcast, taking care of your kids.
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  There's a monotony to that every day doing the same thing.
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  And and then there's that time when your kids on the scooter
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  learning how to Yeah. And that's beautiful.
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  Like it went well. That is awesome, Yeah.
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  And that's what we want. We want it to go well.
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  And you see, and you see the fruits of it at the end, and you
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  don't know when it's going to be or what it's going to look like.
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  And you just know that it's whatever it is, it's going to be
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  great. And then it is, you know, and
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  then you're like, wow, this is better than I thought it could
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  have been. So I had the opportunity to to
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  be on a couple of details with one was protecting the builder
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  of the Internet, you know him, Al Gore.
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  Al Gore, Yeah. Yeah, sure.
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  Yeah. So before he was famous for the
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  Internet. Was he a climate guy?
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  He was a climate change guy too, in his private jet.
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  Yeah, we're getting political I. Don't know, I'm sorry.
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  I can get political. We get political all right.
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  For sure, by the way, especially if we're anonymous.
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  Santa Santa's getting political this year.
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  Oh. There it comes.
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  So. Yeah, I had.
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  That was a great opportunity and I felt great about myself.
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  But the people who are really close to him were never, were
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  never seen, never heard of. And you know, the snipers on top
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  of the roofs all over were never seen, thank God, never heard
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  from, thank God again. And nobody got an Atta boy
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  because nothing happened. So with life, I think there's so
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  many times where you don't get an Atta boy and a husband or a
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  wife, you know, they stay quiet and they don't answer back,
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  which which they can't. You know, a lot of times the
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  spouse really upsets you. You know, the people who are
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  closest to you, they hurt the most and they're quiet.
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  You know, that is where the that's where the toughness comes
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  in. You want to be tough.
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  You want to be water off a duck's back and no one's going
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  to say attaboy unless your dad was in the room with you and say
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  he says, hey, Brian, that was pretty impressive.
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  You stayed. You stayed still.
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  You know you and maybe. You're never going to get that.
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  Yeah, exactly. But that's, that's life, Yeah.
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  Same thing over and over again. Do it right, do it right, do it
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  right. And occasionally when you do it
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  wrong, which is going to happen to all of us, Yeah, it's OK.
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  It's OK. So how do you feel about like
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  these events, like Trump getting shot at and or like that second
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  guy that made his way into the golf course?
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  I was like, had a stupid gun poking out of the woods.
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  And again, forget about from a political, you know,
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  perspective, unless you want to go into that.
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  But judge from a Secret Service perspective.
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  Is that kind of the kind of thing that you say, listen,
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  there are things that happen every single day and you never
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  hear about it because you're doing such a great job.
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  And the one time that something goes wrong, obviously it's going
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  to get blown up. Or do you say that was like,
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  hey, man, like everyone should get fired?
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  That sucks. Well, you opened up the biggest
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  rabbit hole that you probably could have the second one pretty
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  much early on in the conversation here, but I don't
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  know how to respond to that other than saying we'll get to
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  that in a minute. When I was, you know, thank,
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  thank the Lord, I've been I've I've gotten a lot of good
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  training in my life from different organizations and one
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  of the best training that I've gotten was to divert and stay
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  out of the conversation. So the conversation go any which
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  way but you can be in control of the conversation in most
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  situations like. What are you doing right now you
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  mean? Yeah, sort of.
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  I mean, if you're being waterboarded or a Chinese water
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  torture or or somebody has a really, really good piece of
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  pizza and they're they're. They're going to drive you in
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  there, you know? Sometimes, which might be more
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  difficult than that, right? Pizza looks good.
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  I'll tell you anything you want. Or you're at the chiropractor.
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  You tell him anything right there.
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  You know, he's got your arm twisted 17 different ways and
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  you can't feel your legs. So.
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  So I've been through a lot of situations that are and I don't
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  even remember. And when you get older, the body
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  has a magnificent way of forgetting, which is really
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  good. Forgetting is one of the best
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  healing processes that God gave us.
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  If you wouldn't be able to forget, you'd live through
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  horrors over and over and over again.
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  Yeah. And some of us do you know it.
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  It's post traumatic. I don't.
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  Remember a lot of my, of my like late childhood, early teenage
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  years. Were they rough?
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  Well, I didn't like them. I mean, they weren't like rough,
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  but I, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't particularly happy or
• 20:54
  comfortable or. I feel you're there bro.
• 20:58
  You know, and so I really like there are a couple of particular
• 21:04
  times or moments or like straws that I'll grasp at that I'll
• 21:09
  recall, but like for the most part really very little.
• 21:14
  I'm pretty happy that I don't remember a lot because I do
• 21:17
  remember the pain of the times. Right though, that that stays
• 21:23
  with you. Yeah, but you.
• 21:24
  But on a daily basis, you don't you don't wake up and say, oh, I
• 21:29
  got that image right here. That's night terror.
• 21:31
  That's that's really bad. And I, I used to have night
• 21:36
  terrors. I'd wake up sweating and
• 21:38
  screaming and. What'd you, what'd you do about
• 21:41
  it? I went to a psychologist when I
• 21:45
  first got married. My life changed.
• 21:48
  I had somebody living in the house with me where previously I
• 21:51
  didn't. And how old you when you got
• 21:54
  married? 25.
• 21:56
  Gotcha, same age. Yeah, very awesome.
• 22:00
  And I I used to. You buy your own for 7-8 years
• 22:03
  already. Well, mostly, I mean, I have
• 22:06
  roommates and this and that, but I, I wasn't sharing a life with
• 22:11
  somebody. The first year was, was kind of
• 22:14
  rough. I, I would wake up and, and in
• 22:17
  different situations, you know, I'm just not, not so happy.
• 22:20
  So I decided to be a man about it and go see a psychologist and
• 22:25
  it actually helped a great deal with the.
• 22:27
  Same time that Sony Tony Soprano made the same bold choice,
• 22:30
  right? I mean, yeah, I've I've never
• 22:35
  watched a full Soprano issue, but no, sorry, not episode.
• 22:39
  Yeah, episode. But I I get the, I get the gist,
• 22:42
  Yeah. You didn't watch Sopranos?
• 22:44
  I know Tony Soprano is, you know.
• 22:46
  What I'm saying, Yeah, but the show's about his.
• 22:50
  Therapy, therapy. You have to.
• 22:51
  Is he with the therapist at all? That side, he wants to, of
• 22:55
  course he wants to, but because everyone does, because the
• 22:58
  therapist is the person that they're like truly opening up to
• 23:00
  and connecting to and the only person that they feel like they
• 23:03
  could be honest with. Well, this was a friend of mine
• 23:05
  and I I had to trust him with it and I did, and it helped.
• 23:11
  Yeah, they get to talk therapy. Do I what?
• 23:14
  Was it regular talk therapy? Was it?
• 23:16
  Oh, where you going with this? I mean, what kind of therapy is
• 23:18
  there? I mean I know a lot of people do
• 23:20
  psychedelics for. People Oh no, no, no, I I wasn't
• 23:22
  brave enough and I get random drug testing so I can't do that
• 23:26
  gotcha, but it was it was helpful and I don't.
• 23:30
  Know if it's staying your system?
• 23:32
  I don't. Know I think that the half life
• 23:35
  marijuana is probably. No weeds, like 30 days, yeah,
• 23:38
  but like mushrooms I think is like a day or two.
• 23:40
  Oh, really? Yeah, Yeah, I'm not going to do
• 23:42
  that for all those listening to this podcast I have.
• 23:47
  Santa's not interested in my. I did.
• 23:49
  Try weed once and it took me. I was drinking as well and I
• 23:54
  figured I'd try. This knock you out.
• 23:56
  Well, it took me one hour to walk around the block.
• 23:59
  Yeah, one hour. That checks out.
• 24:00
  I was not happy at all. Yeah.
• 24:02
  And I just can't, I can't do it anymore.
• 24:04
  But I'm, I'm OK with people who do it, you know, just it's, it's
• 24:07
  a it's a medicine for what ails you, I guess.
• 24:12
  Just don't abuse it. Alcohol, same thing.
• 24:14
  You drink a bottle of alcohol in one sitting, you're you're going
• 24:17
  to be hurt. Yeah.
• 24:18
  I mean, I don't think you could smoke yourself dead, but you can
• 24:22
  definitely drink yourself dead. Yeah, yeah, I, I had a theory
• 24:26
  about alcohol and weed that as vices alcohol is much more
• 24:31
  social and that the previous generation had a much more
• 24:35
  social component of life, like even like businesses and
• 24:38
  conferences. And like when I, I think right
• 24:41
  before Covad is really when like it was still going on, what much
• 24:45
  more, but my friends would get like go to accounting jobs at,
• 24:48
  you know, KPMG or Ernst and Young and they would go out
• 24:52
  three, four, you know, 2-3 times a week at the especially at the
• 24:55
  beginning, you know, but different or seasonally for
• 24:57
  drinks with the team and the partners at dinners.
• 24:59
  And they just build everything and, and they go to clubs and
• 25:02
  they do whatever and like, and everything.
• 25:04
  You just has a massive social component to it.
• 25:07
  And now people's vice of choice increasingly, increasingly is
• 25:11
  weed, which is a lot more reclusive.
• 25:14
  And it make it makes you like a little bit more to hang out.
• 25:17
  Let's stay where we are. It doesn't motivate you to kind
• 25:19
  of get up and talk to people. And if you already kind of have
• 25:23
  a infrastructure set up, then like, and you're already social,
• 25:26
  you're already social. But as far as like a general
• 25:29
  tendency of like what people tend like would want to do or
• 25:32
  not. And like, in a much more
• 25:35
  isolated and lonely world with social media and phones and
• 25:39
  remote work, weed is like, every drug of choice because it just
• 25:43
  allows them to kind of be comfortable in this isolation.
• 25:46
  Yeah. They zone out.
• 25:47
  Yeah. I'm not a proponent of illegal
• 25:49
  drugs or even legal medicines being abused, sure.
• 25:54
  But I think everything in this world that God gave us, he gave
• 25:58
  us for a reason. Yeah.
• 25:59
  They're the the worst poisons in the world can, can heal us in
• 26:03
  ways that we never understood until recently.
• 26:07
  Look, Botulism toxin, right? And now they're using it for all
• 26:10
  kinds of things that are helping people from, you know,
• 26:15
  physically on the face to, to in the in other parts of the body
• 26:20
  to relax muscles that have spasms.
• 26:22
  And it's really, it's really a great discovery and everything
• 26:25
  in moderation, really everything in moderation.
• 26:31
  So when you ask me these deep questions like that, I go back
• 26:37
  to when the world was, in my opinion, less confusing.
• 26:44
  And maybe I was less confusing. I don't know the.
• 26:47
  World is less confusing. But I think I think when around
• 26:51
  COVID time, I feel like the world really changed.
• 26:56
  I think there was a major, major shift that we're we're not even
• 27:00
  feeling the effects of entirely yet.
• 27:02
  And so when you talk to me about the post COVID Trump era, those
• 27:09
  things make about as much sense as Froot Loops and can filter
• 27:14
  fish together. I mean, why would you do that?
• 27:17
  It doesn't make sense. The fact that, you know,
• 27:21
  conspiracy theories abound because there's social media
• 27:24
  that is out of control. Not that you should control
• 27:28
  social media. I don't know about how I feel
• 27:30
  about that, but. Yeah, that's the problem.
• 27:32
  Also all these slippery slopes. Yeah.
• 27:35
  Are there UFOs? You know, maybe right?
• 27:37
  I'm a huge fan of it. Exactly.
• 27:39
  I'm dying for it to be. Heard I've heard on your your
• 27:41
  podcast and you know what? I'm OK with UFOs.
• 27:45
  I love sci-fi and if they came 200 billion light years away, we
• 27:51
  don't have to worry. They could destroy us to any
• 27:53
  minute, right? If they're here to be friends,
• 27:55
  yeah, they're not here to do anything else 'cause if they
• 27:58
  wanted to, that's. That figure.
• 28:00
  They're highly. If they have been around
• 28:02
  forever, then like what's the evidence that they have any kind
• 28:05
  of malicious intent? Like there's no evidence to
• 28:07
  presume that. And they can't be much more
• 28:09
  religious malicious than the Nazis or the Spaniards or the
• 28:14
  English or everybody else that threw us out.
• 28:17
  And then America's not is no longer a safe haven.
• 28:20
  You don't think so? No, come on, it's not.
• 28:24
  I mean, where is? Not Australia.
• 28:28
  Not England. Not Spain.
• 28:30
  Germany, France. Definitely not.
• 28:33
  Europe. Not Somalia, that's for sure.
• 28:35
  Or Minneapolis. Yeah, You know the the problem
• 28:41
  with this, I did a podcast, I wanted someone else's show and
• 28:46
  we were talking very, very briefly about the Israel thing,
• 28:49
  about Israel in general. And because I'm one of the first
• 28:53
  Orthodox Jews and this guy was, you know, really talking to my
• 28:56
  deep and profound kind of way. It is a relatively short
• 29:00
  conversation, but one of the things I said was Israel and
• 29:07
  Jews relationship to it is so schizophrenic that and like it
• 29:12
  was all done in such a rush, in such a short period of time that
• 29:17
  we never really had a chance to like figure out like what what
• 29:21
  we are or like what like what the country's supposed to be.
• 29:24
  You know, like a huge portion of the country thinks that it
• 29:27
  should be a strictly religious country, you know, and there's a
• 29:30
  very strong argument he made for that.
• 29:31
  And then there's, I mean, if you're going to talk about some
• 29:34
  of the people that founded, you know, Israel, like they're
• 29:36
  coming from different backgrounds, like Russia or like
• 29:40
  Germany or like America, where there's communism, there's
• 29:43
  fascism, there's democracy and, you know, democracy and freedom
• 29:47
  to whatever extent that, you know, we have it or liberal
• 29:49
  democracies. And everyone's kind of had like
• 29:53
  debating what kind of like, what, what do we want this place
• 29:57
  to be? Do you want this place to be a
• 29:58
  country? Do you want it to just be a home
• 30:00
  that Jews could go to? Do we want it to be a
• 30:02
  government? Like, do we need to be a
• 30:04
  religious home? Like what should it be?
• 30:06
  And I think that we still don't know what the answer is.
• 30:09
  You know, like, what's our tie? What's our relationship with
• 30:11
  America? You know what should our
• 30:12
  relationship with America be? That's a.
• 30:16
  That's a very like. Open doors like like Israel and
• 30:18
  America, like open corridors to one another.
• 30:20
  I mean, you step on an airplane, you step in a tube and you see
• 30:23
  and you walk out and everyone takes the currency and everyone
• 30:25
  speaks the language and everyone knows every, everyone's been
• 30:29
  back and forth to the other place.
• 30:30
  And like there seems to be this like, you know, very, you know,
• 30:33
  deep relationship and we know as far as their intelligence and as
• 30:38
  far as governments go, they, I mean, for sure, you know, like
• 30:42
  an enormous amount of, of shared relationships so.
• 30:46
  You would think. One would think.
• 30:48
  I would think. But.
• 30:51
  One would think there are elements.
• 30:56
  There are elements that I really don't know.
• 31:00
  I don't know what I'm saying. I just have a feeling.
• 31:03
  But there are elements that wish to change, not even the status
• 31:10
  quo. They wish to change things in a
• 31:12
  radical way that will permanently alter the way we
• 31:21
  think about our freedoms and our relationships with other
• 31:27
  countries and with ourselves. There's no other way to think
• 31:31
  about it. Can you clarify?
• 31:34
  So pre COVID, let's go back to the early 90s, I was, I was very
• 31:38
  fortunate to graduate the police Academy, the basic police
• 31:42
  Academy and became an EMT as well.
• 31:44
  Nice and. How was the police Academy?
• 31:48
  You know, I was religious and the police academy's not.
• 31:54
  So the police is not religious. It's not, it's not a place for
• 31:59
  religious people. And I struggled and I was
• 32:01
  discriminated against every turn, I bet.
• 32:05
  And that was good for me and it, it helped me tremendously every
• 32:08
  time I was discriminated against for, you know, promotions and
• 32:13
  rank or, or different types of jobs, I learned from it and I
• 32:21
  didn't give up. And I, you know, a lot of times
• 32:23
  I wanted to give up, but I, I was, I was blessed to have met
• 32:29
  some rabbis who really instilled in me the basic fundamentals of
• 32:37
  faith and belief. And although I falter everyday,
• 32:42
  I, I, I know that God's on my side.
• 32:45
  I don't believe it. I know it.
• 32:48
  Everybody has a guardian Angel. I think I have a battalion.
• 32:52
  I'm so stupid that I I would have put myself in jail,
• 32:56
  hospital, or a psychiatric ward dozens of times in my life were
• 33:01
  it not for the grace of God's angels protecting me, smacking
• 33:07
  me and Wrecking Ball, moving me into better position. 20 years,
• 33:14
  20 years of hindsight. Are you saying this in the 90s
• 33:16
  when this is happening? 30 years. 30 years of hindsight,
• 33:19
  I know, but I don't want to talk about that.
• 33:20
  It's alright, you turned. 30, yeah.
• 33:24
  You turned 30. I turned more than that.
• 33:27
  So 35, yeah, 35 exactly. I like that number and I, I
• 33:34
  appreciate the, the work that has been done on my behalf.
• 33:39
  I don't think it's difficult for God, there's no difficulties,
• 33:42
  but there are, there's definitely work.
• 33:44
  So through that career, I, I've got to see lots of different
• 33:51
  departments in different cities in different states.
• 33:57
  I got to work with, let's just call it PBJ on many different
• 34:05
  levels, land, air and sea, and I had a lot of fun and a lot of
• 34:12
  tears. I know you were working on a
• 34:14
  local level. A local and not local level.
• 34:18
  OK, so I'm glad that I forgot a lot of the tears because there
• 34:24
  were a lot of pain and there was a lot of fun times.
• 34:31
  But throughout my career, I was positioned to help sometimes
• 34:39
  those I thought could use my help, but I also, I became
• 34:44
  jaded. And sometime in the early to mid
• 34:48
  2000s when I believe things in my eyes, I mean, it's probably
• 34:54
  been happening since communism was injected into our college
• 34:59
  professors in the 80s, fifties, fifties, 50s.
• 35:03
  I think Khrushchev in the 50s or 60s said that we will feed you
• 35:08
  communism in such small amounts, you won't even know it until
• 35:12
  we've taken over. And, you know, the Vietnam
• 35:16
  conflict slash war wasn't great. And I, I know I'm not a
• 35:20
  proponent of war at all, but what we don't need is a nation
• 35:25
  divided. And that's really where they're
• 35:29
  fantastic spy network and the KGB was fantastic.
• 35:35
  They were so deeply integrated into our society and still are.
• 35:41
  Did you watch the Americans that show The Americans?
• 35:43
  I couldn't get through. It was too violent for me.
• 35:45
  I, I can't divide. I walked out of Saving Private
• 35:50
  Ryan in the like, first scene. I was like it.
• 35:53
  It's too PTSD for me. So for a long time now I can
• 35:57
  sort of handle it. But for a long time I, you know,
• 36:00
  I saw things on the job that I, that just affected me too much
• 36:05
  and I, I could not, I mean, blood didn't affect me in this
• 36:09
  real scene. I was OK, but in a movie and
• 36:12
  places where it, I didn't need to be, I didn't need to be
• 36:16
  there. So I stayed away from violence
• 36:19
  for a very long time. I mean, I'm, I'm the silver
• 36:21
  Screener on the regular screen as well.
• 36:25
  So in the in the 2000s, I think that's when my brain sort of
• 36:31
  kicked in, said something. Were you domestic?
• 36:33
  Were you abroad in the 2000? I was here domestic, yeah.
• 36:37
  I mean, I was back and forth from different countries, but I
• 36:40
  lived in Mexico for a while, Israel, Canada, but really most
• 36:45
  of my work was done here and I the something was Askew.
• 36:54
  Looking back, you know when Bill Clinton was truly trying to make
• 36:57
  it in the world stage by having peace in the Middle East and
• 37:02
  being a political science major, I can tell you that the most
• 37:05
  violent times in a country are when peace is trying to be.
• 37:09
  Imposed on them. Imposed is the right.
• 37:12
  Word. That's right.
• 37:12
  That's right. And, and nobody wants the peace,
• 37:15
  right? The bad guys definitely don't
• 37:17
  want the peace because then they're out of business.
• 37:18
  Yeah, well, yeah. Right.
• 37:21
  That's a good. That's a good.
• 37:21
  So there were so many bombings in the 2000s, early thousands,
• 37:26
  and so many near bombings, which in my eyes, just because the
• 37:30
  military caught it doesn't mean that's not a real bombing.
• 37:32
  We just didn't see the actual explosion.
• 37:35
  I remember taking my unsubscribing from Arut Sheva,
• 37:39
  which was then not so liberal. One bombing after another, one
• 37:43
  bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I can't.
• 37:46
  This is not, this is not right. It's not well, and then in the
• 37:53
  mid 2000s, I, I was recruited by what's called PBJ again.
• 38:01
  And some of the things they wanted me to do was were things
• 38:06
  were English teacher, they were wrong.
• 38:12
  We they were not focusing on the bad guys.
• 38:17
  They were focusing on not the bad guys.
• 38:21
  And then throughout my career and I had to juggle that, you
• 38:25
  know, and throughout my career, I slowly saw the shift from
• 38:30
  mandatory training of domestic terror instead of foreign
• 38:35
  terror. And I figure, OK, fine, we got
• 38:38
  to look out for that. But it was not, it was, it was
• 38:40
  not what you think It was the terrorists that you, you know, I
• 38:44
  say terrorists, you won't immediately think that, right?
• 38:47
  It was the pro-life homegrown Americans that were the
• 38:54
  terrorists. That's what they were feeding
• 38:55
  us. Don't look over here where the
• 38:59
  real bombings are. Look over here where some people
• 39:04
  are doing some violent acts to maybe some abortion clinics,
• 39:08
  which is never a good. But that's where the focus was.
• 39:11
  It was so hard and pushed right down our throats like the flu
• 39:14
  shot. It was just, you must have this.
• 39:17
  And that's when I realized something's very wrong, right?
• 39:23
  Right. So you how do you feel about the
• 39:33
  the theory or the train of thought that we that we kind of
• 39:38
  create our own enemies and. I believe it 100% in 19.
• 39:44
  In 2007 I was on a treadmill. I think it was 2007.
• 39:51
  No, 2004, I was on a treadmill and USA TODAY had, I was reading
• 39:58
  a paper on the treadmill before your podcast, otherwise I'd be
• 40:01
  listening to your podcast. And they had a full page was a
• 40:06
  picture, a huge picture of an Iraqi soldier addressed in
• 40:10
  American fatigues. And I just, I, I blurted out, I
• 40:15
  turned to the guy next to me. I said, see that guy that we
• 40:17
  just supplied, give him 10 years, he's going to be fighting
• 40:20
  us. Who trained Osama bin Laden?
• 40:23
  Yeah, we. I mean, these are not secrets.
• 40:25
  I'm not telling. States they're not secrets.
• 40:27
  I don't even know any. Stakes.
• 40:28
  The door has been slown wide open on that in the.
• 40:30
  Last couple of years. Though like this, it wasn't
• 40:32
  public knowledge for many years. But this is, this is what you
• 40:35
  see. And then you may not understand
• 40:38
  what you're seeing at the time. It's the canvas with some
• 40:41
  splatters of oil paint. You'll never get out on this
• 40:44
  beautiful canvas. That's just the beginning.
• 40:46
  Yeah. So when you ask me about Trump,
• 40:49
  go back there again. I mean, you know, a bullet 223
• 40:55
  or 556 fired at that distance that grazes.
• 40:59
  I mean, and he turns at the same time like no I.
• 41:01
  Wasn't talking about that one actually, because that one I
• 41:03
  think is crazy. I think that's crazy.
• 41:05
  That one is crazy. I was talking about the second
• 41:07
  guy. And you think that?
• 41:09
  Was on the golf. Course you think that guy on top
• 41:11
  of the roof actually fired that shot?
• 41:14
  OK. So jumped off first of all, I
• 41:18
  mean, you know all the conspiracy theories the state
• 41:20
  police were told, the Secret Service was told here's the guy
• 41:22
  on a roof and they didn't catch the guy, right?
• 41:24
  They didn't even address it till afterwards.
• 41:27
  Yeah, so. That so like that.
• 41:29
  That's that's beyond conspiracy theory.
• 41:32
  This is. That's just.
• 41:33
  Flat out, it's flat out wrong. It's flat out wrong, Right?
• 41:36
  It's flat out. Wrong JFK.
• 41:37
  We know who killed JFK 20 years ago.
• 41:39
  We knew 30 years ago, 40 years ago, we knew he was messing
• 41:42
  around with Maryland and Cuba and Russia and also the mob.
• 41:47
  It's it's lucky because everyone and then they told him do not go
• 41:52
  in an open motorcade, OK? That's not conspiracy.
• 41:54
  Everybody knew here the guy sticking out.
• 41:58
  Why didn't the Secret Service comb that?
• 42:01
  That's what I was So so so that. That's.
• 42:04
  Kindergarten stuff. It's kindergarten stuff, right?
• 42:06
  It's not, It's not. So the question is.
• 42:09
  He didn't when you have. These enormous fuck ups.
• 42:12
  Excuse my language. Yeah.
• 42:14
  When you have these enormous fuck ups and we're told that
• 42:18
  we're crazy for seeing a blatant and obvious.
• 42:21
  They're not errors. It's they, they the Secret
• 42:24
  Service does not make those errors.
• 42:26
  Sorry, they do not. They don't, you know, that I was
• 42:31
  told. And again, this is all hearsay.
• 42:32
  And I yeah, yeah, no, no way to know this.
• 42:34
  But I was told that on Trump's detail where he he got shot in
• 42:41
  the face, you know, with his cheek, his detail was changed
• 42:46
  the day before. That was not his detail.
• 42:49
  They changed it on it and. Apparently it was televised for
• 42:53
  the first time like. I don't know about that.
• 42:56
  But none of his rallies were covered on CNN except for this
• 42:59
  particular one. I mean, even Charlie Kirk.
• 43:01
  Let's go deeper. I'm I'm agnostic about Charlie
• 43:06
  Kirk. He seemed to be a decent guy.
• 43:08
  I. Don't know.
• 43:08
  I was also, I did not. I was not a rah rah Charlie Kirk
• 43:12
  guy. You know, he, he's, he's
• 43:13
  brilliant. He was brilliant, no doubt about
• 43:15
  that. 32 but 32 years old but his.
• 43:18
  Brain, he was brilliant. He knew.
• 43:20
  He knew stuff that I, I would never know.
• 43:22
  I mean, him and Ben Shapiro, like him, love him, hate him, it
• 43:25
  doesn't make a difference. They're brilliant operators.
• 43:28
  They understand things that I could never understand.
• 43:32
  But there's no suspects in that. None.
• 43:36
  Come on, you want to talk about conspiracy theories all day
• 43:40
  long? Post 2000, I think that there's
• 43:43
  almost nothing that happens. Let's not plan.
• 43:45
  That's what I that's what I feel like.
• 43:48
  You know what? Listen to your 6th sense, right?
• 43:52
  Listen to it. You've read.
• 43:55
  Read the book Blink. I've stopped.
• 43:59
  Yeah. Malcolm Gladwell, right?
• 44:00
  He's really boring, OK. But you get the whole you get
• 44:07
  all his books from the back cover and then the other 200
• 44:09
  pages is just making. That point over and over and
• 44:11
  over. Just read the first 10 pages.
• 44:14
  Well, in Blink, which I read, I think the first 10 pages, I was
• 44:17
  like, oh, that guy, this is so boring, but he's so brilliant,
• 44:19
  right? He calls this thing thin
• 44:21
  slicing. Ever heard of it?
• 44:23
  Thin slicing is you, you take just the front of something,
• 44:27
  right? And you, you take that
• 44:28
  immediate, immediate first impression and go with it
• 44:34
  because that's not your brain, that's your mind, that's your
• 44:38
  gut, that's your gut. And it's telling you everything
• 44:41
  you've learned in the last, let's say, 30 years, even stuff
• 44:44
  you don't even know. You put lots of stuff in your
• 44:47
  mouth when you were a baby, right?
• 44:49
  When you were an infant, when you're a toddler, everything.
• 44:51
  When you're in your mouth, because the mouth feels, tastes
• 44:56
  it. It has height with dimensions.
• 44:59
  You know your brain very strongly, yeah.
• 45:01
  And it connects to your brain and you smell.
• 45:03
  You never forget that. Well, until you have dementia,
• 45:06
  Alzheimer's, whatever. But you.
• 45:07
  And even then. And by the way, you could.
• 45:09
  Yeah, it could smell, could make you cry immediately, right?
• 45:13
  It could make you laugh. It could.
• 45:14
  So these things, your brain retains everything.
• 45:18
  And even in dementia, you don't lose anything.
• 45:20
  God created the brain that on a whim.
• 45:24
  It's it's the most complicated piece of machinery that will
• 45:29
  ever exist. AI will never outdo the brain.
• 45:33
  It's not possible. You don't think so?
• 45:35
  No, No. There are more connections in
• 45:37
  the brain than it's just it's not possible now.
• 45:41
  It could be faster in some cases, but the brain is more
• 45:44
  complex than any machine. God will not be outdone.
• 45:47
  I was going to say I'm not. There's of of of all the
• 45:51
  potential like of all the changing realities.
• 45:57
  For some reason AI is not as interesting to me as like almost
• 46:04
  anything else. Like nuclear war, God forbid, is
• 46:06
  far more scary to me than AI is. You know, my son who's a techie,
• 46:13
  he's, he's always saying this AI thing is overrated.
• 46:17
  They've had AI quote, UN quote for a long time, this art of
• 46:21
  intelligence. And look, when Siri came out
• 46:23
  years ago, that was AI, right? Yeah, is everyone you used to
• 46:26
  start texting on and I could guess the next word is
• 46:28
  completely off and you'd be like that, that that's.
• 46:30
  What? Yeah, exactly.
• 46:32
  Variation. Yeah.
• 46:33
  Yeah. So what scares me about AI,
• 46:38
  let's call it, and the same thing that scares me about
• 46:41
  social media is the is the similar situation to what I
• 46:47
  think it was Gobel's in World War 2 Holocaust.
• 46:51
  So if you tell a lie long enough or becomes the truth, it becomes
• 46:57
  truth, right? So I've seen even conservative
• 47:01
  and I don't want to say even, but for your liberal listeners,
• 47:05
  I've seen people who I thought would be very, you know,
• 47:09
  truthful, put out just lies on the Internet and maybe it's
• 47:15
  accidental, but it's just not true.
• 47:17
  I've researched some of the stuff and and said, Hey, this is
• 47:20
  completely bunk. It's not true.
• 47:23
  But if you tell enough people and people the masses are
• 47:26
  assets, you got problems. So AI, hey, they could put you
• 47:31
  and somebody else in a compromising situation at
• 47:37
  crystal clear imagery and post it on every terminal in the
• 47:42
  world that even though you've never even.
• 47:45
  Considered that can't imagine a world in which that's going to
• 47:48
  happen in which I made by the way, I guess yes, because it is
• 47:54
  kind of the equivalent of quote UN quote going viral to it
• 47:57
  right, like what's like what makes remember like stupid shit
• 48:00
  like even like the Haktua girl right, like this girl made an
• 48:04
  inappropriate joke and like I had one interview for like
• 48:07
  Barstow or something stupid like maybe Barstow got a hold of the
• 48:09
  interview and like this girl who was like a like middle like
• 48:13
  Midwest girl from like Tennessee made one inappropriate joke
• 48:17
  online and the next day she woke up and billions of people had
• 48:21
  seen this video and she was famous town representation
• 48:25
  podcast managers. People are bringing on to like
• 48:29
  sport to to sports games and the freaking Super Bowl and like
• 48:32
  they're making references in movies about her.
• 48:35
  And then she got caught and then some, some.
• 48:37
  And then obviously you don't know how to navigate these
• 48:39
  waters. You're just this girl, right?
• 48:42
  And who's maybe she looks like either a sorority girl or maybe
• 48:47
  within 10 years of graduating college.
• 48:49
  I can't tell women's ages for my life and.
• 48:53
  That could get you in. Trouble.
• 48:54
  I know that's unhappy. I'm married.
• 48:57
  Your Honor, she looked well to me.
• 49:05
  I she so this girl has no idea what she's never dreamed of what
• 49:12
  this situation would be like. And then she's thrown into it
• 49:15
  and a million people are trying to talk to her and then someone
• 49:17
  convinces her to start like there's like crypto coin, like a
• 49:20
  hawk to a coin, right? And and they do a massive pump
• 49:25
  and dump and like a ton of people lose a ton of money and
• 49:28
  she walks off spectacularly rich but incredibly hate it again
• 49:33
  overnight. And like all this happened
• 49:35
  within the span, within let's say six months.
• 49:38
  Sounds like Yosef, he went from the dregs in the bottom of the
• 49:43
  prison. To the top right.
• 49:45
  Right. Yeah, in a matter of wasn't that
• 49:47
  long, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:50
  And yeah, there's. Random things, they're just.
• 49:52
  They just like just. So you went to the spotlight.
• 49:56
  AI can be That's good point. So can a terrorist attack in
• 49:58
  Bondi In one minute you're a shliak and the next minute
• 50:02
  you're. Yeah, you're, you're, you're,
• 50:04
  you're all kid. It's kid as a set.
• 50:07
  Or yeah, yeah. And it, it, it can and will
• 50:10
  happen. It will happen in, in, in almost
• 50:14
  every Western country. We have dropped the ball and not
• 50:19
  so much dropped it, but carefully.
• 50:24
  No, we dropped it. Yeah, we carefully lost it.
• 50:27
  They they slipped. Degrees of There's degrees of
• 50:29
  clumsiness. Exactly.
• 50:31
  But when I say they, I mean, there's a cabal of some kind
• 50:34
  and, you know, there goes my conspiracy theory.
• 50:37
  So but yeah, there, there, there is a force, a real force of evil
• 50:42
  going on. And yes, I'm, I'm sort of a
• 50:45
  prepper. I think that people don't have
• 50:48
  enough water in their houses, just plain tap water.
• 50:51
  Fill up your old jugs with with water.
• 50:55
  Fill up your your mind with the Torah, fill up your day with
• 51:00
  prayer. Those are things that really are
• 51:02
  going to get you through and this prevent those things.
• 51:06
  Sure, gold and silver and ammunition, they're all good
• 51:09
  things to have, but you cannot prepare yourself for Haktua,
• 51:14
  right? You cannot.
• 51:15
  There's there's no way to do that.
• 51:17
  A prayer is is one of the best tools you can you can have in
• 51:21
  your tool belt. And patience.
• 51:24
  Patience, yes. Patience too, because the I
• 51:26
  think the only difference between that girl having
• 51:28
  enormous amount of success and crashing the way she did was how
• 51:33
  ready, how long did it take for you to get to where you are?
• 51:38
  And Are you ready to get where you are?
• 51:41
  I right? Yeah, you get rich too fast.
• 51:43
  You usually end up, yeah, they're in bankruptcy.
• 51:46
  Or, or you end up being the world's biggest schmuck.
• 51:49
  I mean one or the other, you know, I mean.
• 51:51
  You got a couple of those. You got a few, you got, you got
• 51:55
  a few though around. But I, yeah, I, I was talking,
• 51:59
  you know, I, I when I turned 25, I had a whole panic attack and I
• 52:04
  wasn't married yet. And Oh my, yeah, you're just
• 52:08
  like an old mate or. I was I was spinster and then my
• 52:11
  shit together, you know, and I was a huge who does well, right?
• 52:14
  So I'm listening to my favorite artist at the time, Bob Dylan
• 52:17
  Bruce. Springsteen, Bruce Springsteen.
• 52:20
  These guys. I listen to Bruce all the time.
• 52:22
  I love Bruce. He so he wrote.
• 52:24
  He might not love me, no. No, I'm sure he's all right with
• 52:27
  you. You seem like the kind of guy
• 52:29
  that Springsteen would like. I he read a song about you.
• 52:34
  They're working at the police Academy in the Midwest.
• 52:37
  Born in the USA or or? What's that one?
• 52:39
  Harristown. Harrisburg.
• 52:41
  Oh, you're thinking of Allentown.
• 52:43
  Allentown. That's Billy.
• 52:44
  Joe, Billy Joe, OH. That's Billy.
• 52:46
  It is Billy Joel. You're right.
• 52:48
  You're right. There is one, he wrote.
• 52:50
  The downbound train. Southbound, Yeah.
• 52:52
  Down southbound train. Down downbound train.
• 52:58
  Great pump and iron to that thing, Yeah.
• 53:01
  And the other one is was. Darlington County.
• 53:06
  I had a job. Yeah.
• 53:09
  Love that song, man. Love that song.
• 53:12
  To play guitar by the Super easy to play.
• 53:15
  Guitar I used to play a little bit of my neighbor and I, we,
• 53:19
  we'd write songs mostly he'd write them, I edited them, and
• 53:22
  then we'd sing Here's the funny part of the story.
• 53:25
  We would sing and drink whiskey until the late hours of the
• 53:28
  night and he was good and I, I was really bad, but he.
• 53:33
  Played guitar. He played guitar, I used to
• 53:34
  strum a little bit, do some background humming and edit his
• 53:39
  songs. And we had a lot of fun until he
• 53:42
  decided we're so good. We're going to get a not a
• 53:46
  karaoke, but like a recording. Sure, sure.
• 53:49
  So he gets all this recording stuff and we record a couple
• 53:51
  things and it we're so good, man.
• 53:54
  And the drinks are pouring. And then he said, you know,
• 53:57
  there's this place we could do Opie.
• 54:00
  Exactly. And they, they got us, they got
• 54:02
  us booked for Saturday night, whatever.
• 54:04
  And we're in practice and, and then the battalion of angels
• 54:09
  came down and saved me and saved me with four feet of snow that
• 54:14
  night, and we couldn't play. And subsequently, I'm driving to
• 54:18
  New York, somewhere in the middle of Pennsylvania.
• 54:19
  I pop in the tape. You know where the tape is.
• 54:21
  Got these two little rings and they spin around and they play
• 54:24
  music. I pop.
• 54:25
  The tape in, I pop the tape in, I'm all alone.
• 54:30
  Cruising. I'm going to listen to us.
• 54:32
  You know, I hit eject, took the tape, opened the window and
• 54:38
  chucked it out of my car at X miles an hour on the highway.
• 54:42
  Sorry, environmentalist and I I said, Oh my God, I've never
• 54:48
  heard anything that bad. Yeah, whiskey will do that, but
• 54:51
  we. You know what?
• 54:52
  You think it was really that bad?
• 54:53
  Or you think? I don't know.
• 54:54
  I think they're all very judgmental of each other, of
• 54:56
  ourselves rather well. That's good and bad.
• 55:00
  Yeah, for sure, for sure. Some of us need to be a little
• 55:03
  bit more judgmental. Exactly.
• 55:06
  But we we had fun and that's really what counted.
• 55:09
  We should never recorded and I I remember the songs we played
• 55:12
  you. Should have though.
• 55:13
  You know what I have like I have students, I yell at them for
• 55:16
  this and I, I, I, I, I do this myself every now and then.
• 55:19
  I try not to. If something, even if
• 55:21
  something's shitty creative that you do, keep it because you
• 55:24
  don't know where the where the bones will pop up somewhere
• 55:26
  else. You know, like, keep them, but
• 55:28
  sometimes when you're singing, keep that in your mind instead
• 55:31
  of on a tape. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:32
  Somewhere. Keep it.
• 55:33
  You know, I keep all my old poems and I wrote, I wrote a it
• 55:38
  took me years, but I wrote a children's book.
• 55:40
  Nice. Get out of here.
• 55:41
  Really. Yeah, it's I did it for my kids.
• 55:44
  It's called Kisses for the Baby. Nice.
• 55:46
  After this, I'll, I'll, I'll show you.
• 55:48
  But it was basically a poem that turned into a storybook about
• 55:53
  how we as parents love our children.
• 55:59
  And it's a storybook that is designed for a parent to read to
• 56:03
  a toddler and instill in them how much they love them.
• 56:08
  And I had it illustrated. That's great.
• 56:11
  Who did it? How'd you find someone to do it?
• 56:13
  Terrible. It was on five or years ago.
• 56:16
  I never got through it and I've been struggling to get it
• 56:19
  really, really done. You can use AI now.
• 56:22
  I tried I I I did the $200 ChatGPT.
• 56:25
  And it didn't work. No, it was.
• 56:29
  Sorry, I worked on that for a while.
• 56:30
  I was just. I see.
• 56:31
  That's why I was not doing anything.
• 56:33
  Yeah, I I've met some illustrators recently at
• 56:36
  different art festivals and I haven't really pulled the
• 56:39
  trigger on it yet. But really, I showed it to my
• 56:41
  kids already and they, they've got the gist.
• 56:43
  And now they're not babies anymore.
• 56:45
  And when I get some more time, if I get more time, I'll I'll
• 56:50
  probably put some more energy into it.
• 56:52
  But it's an inspiring children's book.
• 56:56
  I love that. Yeah, it's good.
• 56:58
  It's the yin and the Yang, you know, sometimes you got to be
• 57:01
  tough and sometimes you got to be smooth and soft.
• 57:06
  Yeah, Yeah. So tell me what you can you tell
• 57:12
  me what you do on the on the local police force, or at least
• 57:14
  when you started, what you're up to.
• 57:18
  I started low, started rural and then we talk about.
• 57:23
  Steel. What the heck, Steel?
• 57:25
  Yeah, one guy make a living so. Yeah, but like, I don't even
• 57:28
  know what that means. It was like someone says steel.
• 57:31
  It's like saying real estate. It's like, I mean, do you own
• 57:34
  it? Do you flip it?
• 57:35
  Do you build it? Do you sell?
• 57:37
  Hey, wait, wait, what do you do? You rent it out to people that
• 57:39
  live in it. What do you do?
• 57:43
  There are besides there in New York City, which has an old
• 57:48
  tradition of religious tolerance.
• 57:53
  You could not work full time in this country and keep shops.
• 57:59
  And in the early 90s that was very much true.
• 58:03
  There were, I think 10 of us in the country and I was one of the
• 58:09
  10. I remember there was a, a gaming
• 58:13
  Atlantic City gaming guy and there was a 2 New York guys or
• 58:17
  three New York guys at the time. We've got the Jersey guy, Ohio
• 58:21
  guy. It was very sparse and there was
• 58:24
  very little support for it. So after being discriminated
• 58:29
  against a half a dozen times and stuff that I could have sued for
• 58:34
  and I, I just didn't want to go suing.
• 58:36
  It's just like take your lumps. You don't belong here.
• 58:39
  I had a story with Disney like that they didn't want me to do
• 58:41
  they wanted, they didn't want to let me keep Shabbos on their
• 58:44
  internship. Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 58:46
  It's completely illegal. It is right?
• 58:50
  Yeah, so. But you know what?
• 58:52
  After a while, it may not be them, It may be the creator
• 58:57
  trying to tell you, hey, I'm I'm going to take care of you.
• 59:01
  You take care of me. You could do something
• 59:05
  different. To a God, not Walt Disney.
• 59:07
  Right, Yeah, the the capital C creator.
• 59:12
  So I, I, I found a niche for myself in law enforcement that
• 59:18
  would put me in positions that I could, you know, help people at
• 59:22
  state, local, federal levels. And I really assure there's ego
• 59:26
  involved. You ask a cop, why did you
• 59:28
  become a cop? And he doesn't say anything
• 59:29
  about ego. He's lying.
• 59:31
  He or she nowadays there's, there's absolutely ego.
• 59:34
  I don't have a lot of it myself. I, I really like the, the thrill
• 59:38
  of helping people and it's even better when they don't know
• 59:43
  you're helping them because if you do things behind the scenes
• 59:45
  and I like, I like behind the curtain much better.
• 59:48
  It's better for me. I'm not a spotlight kind of guy,
• 59:51
  but when you do these things, like we said before, nobody says
• 59:57
  Attaboy. There's some internal high you
• 1:00:00
  get, you feel like you've done something and there's things
• 1:00:03
  that I worked on. I, I can't, I can't talk about
• 1:00:07
  it now. I couldn't talk about it then.
• 1:00:10
  It scared the living daylights out of me when I was doing it.
• 1:00:13
  I, I was copped in a rock and a hard place several times, but
• 1:00:17
  going back. So I started that and then I had
• 1:00:20
  to make some money along the way.
• 1:00:21
  So I had to get like the civilian job as well because I
• 1:00:24
  couldn't work full time were. You still on the books as a cop?
• 1:00:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that you were just a cop
• 1:00:30
  that worked part time as a cop and then had this other job.
• 1:00:34
  Yeah, OK. And, and I'd like doing a lot of
• 1:00:36
  things. So I had affiliations with
• 1:00:38
  different organizations and because I was working as in law
• 1:00:44
  enforcement, I was able to get into other areas or be invited
• 1:00:50
  into other areas that were more influential and more helpful.
• 1:00:57
  Right. So, but you have to feed your
• 1:01:01
  family and you have to feed yourself.
• 1:01:03
  So I, I was, I, I got an MBA, political science undergrad.
• 1:01:11
  Eventually I'll skip a lot of stuff, but do you?
• 1:01:14
  Think MBA was worth it? MBA, I hear, is most useful for
• 1:01:19
  when you're trying to do a career change and you need to
• 1:01:21
  network and meet new people to get a new job.
• 1:01:23
  It's tough. I I2 of my kids I I, I really
• 1:01:27
  told them to get MBAs and maybe I was right, maybe I was wrong.
• 1:01:31
  We'll see because they're young still, but.
• 1:01:33
  I think I told them not to do it the first week I met them.
• 1:01:37
  I think that's like, why are you getting an MBA but you.
• 1:01:41
  Never know. So it helped me immediately my
• 1:01:44
  MBA paid itself off. You had a career.
• 1:01:46
  Before it, in the first year, it paid itself off.
• 1:01:48
  I know I was paid 30% higher than the next guy because I had
• 1:01:52
  that MBA. So when I was in the corporate
• 1:01:54
  world, it worked. And then the steel business kind
• 1:01:57
  of was like, there's no accidents in the world.
• 1:01:59
  But I was friendly with this guy who sold steel, had a sort of a
• 1:02:04
  small steel company. And on the weekends I used to
• 1:02:09
  talk to him and he said he wanted to get back into it.
• 1:02:14
  So I started to put all the numbers into Excel and then try
• 1:02:20
  to analyze his business. And next thing you know, bought
• 1:02:25
  a building what got some vendors, got some customers.
• 1:02:29
  Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, I want to know this
• 1:02:32
  process because that's you just jumped in one sentence over what
• 1:02:36
  takes people a lifetime to do so it.
• 1:02:38
  Was not it was. It was less than a year.
• 1:02:42
  You have a business, you have numbers right now, right?
• 1:02:45
  So you have you have something you can show investors or
• 1:02:48
  something you could show a bait to get money to get a building.
• 1:02:52
  How do you how do you go about getting a building at that point
• 1:02:54
  in in? So I mean you it really it's
• 1:02:58
  there's no banks involved when you're starting a business.
• 1:03:01
  You could do the SBA thing. I mean, they're probably I'm not
• 1:03:04
  so smart. I'm not a, I'm a average
• 1:03:07
  intelligence, but I'm, I've got, I'm a little bit cunning and I
• 1:03:13
  can get out of situations. So for me it was a challenge and
• 1:03:23
  I accepted the channel. Like how to navigate it?
• 1:03:25
  Yeah, it was just, it was I wonder.
• 1:03:27
  If I could figure out how to navigate doing this.
• 1:03:29
  No, it was fun for me and I, I started to put things in Excel
• 1:03:33
  and say, hey, you buy it for this, you sell it for this.
• 1:03:37
  There's the profit. Here are your expenses.
• 1:03:39
  Here's your overhead. This is what we need.
• 1:03:42
  You're you're ballparking at that point because you didn't
• 1:03:44
  know what these are going. To be Yeah, well, we basically
• 1:03:47
  did some research and and figured it out.
• 1:03:49
  Now the building I bought a ratty building in the middle of
• 1:03:53
  a very bad neighborhood, and it was a it was a fantastic deal
• 1:04:00
  through my contacts who helped me look, I I lived in Chicago
• 1:04:06
  for a while. Nice.
• 1:04:08
  I was fortunate enough to befriend a billionaire there who
• 1:04:14
  after six months of courting him and constantly nagging him
• 1:04:18
  because I'm like a dog with a bone, I just don't let it go.
• 1:04:22
  He finally said, OK, I'll give you the startup money.
• 1:04:24
  And that's really where it is. It's the startup money.
• 1:04:26
  No bank is going to take your dream.
• 1:04:29
  So you got to find the hookup. Yeah, I found the hookup and.
• 1:04:33
  There was any Blues while you were in Chicago?
• 1:04:37
  The right jazz is good. I see.
• 1:04:39
  You know what I'm saying? You have to have the right jazz.
• 1:04:41
  But I. I love the Blues, you know, The
• 1:04:45
  Blues gets me to my like so. You, you, you can't be white and
• 1:04:51
  play. You have to.
• 1:04:52
  Be No, I haven't. I just participate in the blue I
• 1:04:56
  I I I passively. I passively appreciate music.
• 1:04:59
  I was not. Meant to be, absolutely.
• 1:05:02
  I spend some time in New in New Orleans.
• 1:05:05
  I don't remember a lot of it. But New Orleans is cool.
• 1:05:08
  Yeah, I've been there. I was there for.
• 1:05:10
  I was there for. I went on a road trip from Miami
• 1:05:13
  to Austin. Oh.
• 1:05:15
  And stopped in New Orleans for the weekend.
• 1:05:17
  We got a sick Airbnb for dirt cheap just a couple of blocks
• 1:05:21
  away from we didn't want. I didn't want to hang out.
• 1:05:24
  When I go to these places, I don't hang out by the
• 1:05:46
  deal. Yeah, so I went to these big
• 1:05:48
  steel companies who in America, Yeah.
• 1:05:52
  And I took their, their dreck, their their rejects.
• 1:05:56
  And OK, the rejects, you have to sort them out.
• 1:06:01
  Sure. You got to cut off the bad ends.
• 1:06:04
  So we I partnered up, my first customer was a shearing
• 1:06:08
  operator. He rented out part of the
• 1:06:11
  building and he used to shear up the the big sheets into better,
• 1:06:15
  nicer sheets. And then that we built on that
• 1:06:19
  we used to start buying. Nice pennies, dollar, you're
• 1:06:21
  just flipping it for quarters of the.
• 1:06:23
  Dollar, no, the pennies and then flipping it for pennies.
• 1:06:26
  But a penny for £45,000 is yeah, 450 bucks.
• 1:06:31
  Every truck that goes out, it's 450 bucks.
• 1:06:33
  Now we didn't make a penny. We usually made more than a
• 1:06:36
  penny, but when you're in the penny business and you're
• 1:06:39
  dealing with weight, it makes a difference.
• 1:06:41
  So if you make $0.10 on a paper clip, that's a lot of money.
• 1:06:46
  Yeah, right. $0.10 on 45,000 lbs is 400 and 4500 bucks right?
• 1:06:55
  So it progressed into that and God has been good to me.
• 1:07:00
  That's cool. There's ups and downs in the
• 1:07:02
  steel business. Don't get me wrong, there are
• 1:07:04
  some very low troughs I bet some very high.
• 1:07:09
  Peaks my dad has been in a interesting world refurbished
• 1:07:14
  medical equipment. I, I thought I'm into in
• 1:07:16
  Washington and the way he got started was he was working for,
• 1:07:20
  he was a salesman for a pharmaceutical company, which I
• 1:07:23
  only now realize means he probably contributed a lot of
• 1:07:26
  people's addictions or whatever and he.
• 1:07:31
  And he helped a lot of people. He, I'm sure he helped a ton of
• 1:07:33
  people and my dad's a great guy. Love my dad.
• 1:07:36
  And you met him, right? I did.
• 1:07:38
  I like him a lot. We're car guys.
• 1:07:39
  He's great. He's a living personification of
• 1:07:43
  tiny Bahama, I think. I like him.
• 1:07:46
  He's a diesel Mercedes kind of guy and.
• 1:07:48
  He is. There's one in the driveway
• 1:07:50
  right now and you have and so he was and then they got what's
• 1:07:57
  called a sterilizer in. And this thing is dentists use
• 1:08:01
  it all very frequently cleans the boiling hot.
• 1:08:04
  It's basically. Autoclave.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah, an autoclave machine. Yeah.
• 1:08:07
  And the guy that he bought it from left the sticker on it.
• 1:08:09
  The guy's name is Dom. Still, we still, I still talk to
• 1:08:13
  him every now and then. Great dude.
• 1:08:14
  And he, my dad called him. He was.
• 1:08:17
  How much is this? He goes, You a dealer?
• 1:08:19
  He's like, yeah, he goes, I don't know, 1000 bucks.
• 1:08:21
  And dad found out that the company he was working for paid
• 1:08:23
  3500 bucks for it or whatever it is.
• 1:08:26
  He's like, I'm in the I'm in the wrong business.
• 1:08:28
  He kept keeps in touch with them.
• 1:08:30
  And there are guys now that I know that are we call them like
• 1:08:33
  hospital rats. Who are they?
• 1:08:34
  Like hospitals are constantly trading out or buying new
• 1:08:38
  equipment, and they're just getting rid of literally just
• 1:08:40
  giving away the old equipment. Who does he sell them to?
• 1:08:43
  Private practices and university.
• 1:08:46
  Well, so he started flipping them and then he got a couple of
• 1:08:51
  texts and a couple people to refurbish the equipment.
• 1:08:55
  So we started doing it in house. But at this point he knows
• 1:08:59
  enough people that he could like anyone could give them anything.
• 1:09:03
  He just sent them to repair. And you have a perfectly
• 1:09:06
  functioning machine, you know, but the whole premise of what
• 1:09:09
  your business was, which was finding like scraps that weren't
• 1:09:13
  as that the, that the big manufacturers didn't want.
• 1:09:16
  That's the whole premise of this business, which is like almost
• 1:09:18
  like a second hand market. The a brand new Ultron could be
• 1:09:22
  100 grand. I sell my My average Ultra that
• 1:09:24
  I sell is 10. 15 grand. So when I got into it, I did not
• 1:09:28
  know how competitive it was. I thought I was reinventing the
• 1:09:32
  wheel. And really there are 1,000,000
• 1:09:35
  wheels out there, just one of them rolling down the street,
• 1:09:38
  kind of like an empty truck wheel, just with no home.
• 1:09:43
  So, but it's still you could, you could make money selling
• 1:09:47
  used rags and lose money selling Rolls Royces, right?
• 1:09:50
  It's really, let's call it luck. But we know what it is.
• 1:09:53
  It's it's God and it it puts food on the table.
• 1:09:59
  And his toddlers and hard work. You know, the harder I work, the
• 1:10:02
  luckier I get. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:10:04
  That's true. A schooler for Parnassus is hard
• 1:10:06
  work. Exactly.
• 1:10:09
  So that's that's been good to me and it it beats doing nothing
• 1:10:15
  So, so. When you can't talk about what
• 1:10:18
  you can't talk about, is it because it's classified, or it's
• 1:10:22
  because you're not ready to talk about it?
• 1:10:24
  Or both? Or you're afraid you're in
• 1:10:26
  trouble. Yes.
• 1:10:29
  To all three. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:10:31
  Absolutely. And when do things become
• 1:10:33
  declassified or do you know if it became declassified?
• 1:10:37
  A lot of people said tell me that they think they their
• 1:10:39
  commissions, they knew or things that they've done, they didn't
• 1:10:42
  always declassify. So they just happened to be like
• 1:10:44
  Googling something else and the thing came up and they're like,
• 1:10:46
  oh, I guess I could talk about this now.
• 1:10:48
  That's that is. Very likely that is that's
• 1:10:51
  actually a great scenario. It's possible.
• 1:10:54
  It's possible it's also possible that that the justice system in
• 1:10:59
  this country, as we know has a tendency to go after people who.
• 1:11:04
  Yeah, maybe not guilty. Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  So in order to. No longer presumed innocent.
• 1:11:10
  Yeah, in order to not get hit you, it's good not to have a
• 1:11:14
  target on your back. And if you're quiet and
• 1:11:17
  invisible, it's much harder to hit you.
• 1:11:18
  So it's it's good to be humble. When you're humble, the the
• 1:11:25
  Sutton doesn't know you're there.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah, you know what I'm saying. He kind.
• 1:11:27
  Of like, that's why election heart is so hard because like
• 1:11:30
  Sutton says, oh, you're, you're, you're so good.
• 1:11:32
  You're speaking about the next guy.
• 1:11:34
  Let me look at you. IRS take a look at his books.
• 1:11:37
  Oh, no, don't look my books. My books are really bad.
• 1:11:42
  So just, you know, just. It, it, it wouldn't even be fun
• 1:11:46
  to talk about. OK.
• 1:11:48
  It would be, it would be scary for me.
• 1:11:50
  It'd just be just scary. I, I, I remember when I was
• 1:11:53
  doing some of the things, I was just, I was scared all the time
• 1:11:57
  and I knew I had to do those things, but it was just what if,
• 1:12:01
  what if, what if? And I, I, I really couldn't
• 1:12:04
  confide in anybody. Even my friend in Maggie Valley
• 1:12:08
  who, who was involved to me with Bob.
• 1:12:12
  Yeah, Bob, there's a lot of Bob's and I just couldn't like
• 1:12:18
  like you just you just got to go on with life.
• 1:12:22
  I could talk in in riddles, but if I say things that are it's
• 1:12:25
  not worth it. It's not worth it.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah. I've had a, I've had a political
• 1:12:29
  question. Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 1:12:31
  How, on a scale from one to 10, how happy are you with Trump's
• 1:12:34
  first year? Well, I'll tell you I.
• 1:12:38
  'Cause I'm not like a three. I do not.
• 1:12:42
  And I was really hopeful. I do not approve of Trump and
• 1:12:49
  let me tell you that I really disapprove of Biden and Obama.
• 1:12:56
  He's next level. I think Obama was incredibly
• 1:12:59
  intelligent, probably the most influential president possibly
• 1:13:03
  we've ever had. I think I I think he he out
• 1:13:08
  shines. George Washington.
• 1:13:12
  Yeah, I don't. Think as as I go, cultural.
• 1:13:15
  He made some serious change. We don't even feel the change,
• 1:13:19
  really. Yes, I mean we feel it, but not.
• 1:13:22
  All in what? In what capacity?
• 1:13:23
  Well, do you pay health insurance?
• 1:13:25
  Yeah. So it's it's.
• 1:13:28
  It's ridiculous. It's.
• 1:13:29
  Insane. And I don't want to pay it.
• 1:13:31
  It's four. If I didn't have a wife that was
• 1:13:34
  giving birth every other year and I didn't have a a three-year
• 1:13:37
  old and a six month old, I would not have health insurance.
• 1:13:39
  Yeah, absolutely. Exactly.
• 1:13:41
  And most young people who were supposed to sort of leveled up
• 1:13:46
  the the whole health insurance playing field.
• 1:13:49
  You get the sick people, you get the healthy people, you level it
• 1:13:51
  out. It's it's a bunch of bunk.
• 1:13:53
  It's conspiracy, all of it. That's my opinion.
• 1:13:57
  I have no facts other than my wallet.
• 1:14:00
  I know what I pay for health insurance, and it's incredibly
• 1:14:04
  high. Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  So when you ask me politically if I like Trump.
• 1:14:11
  OK, happy with his first year, 'cause I don't care what you
• 1:14:13
  think, whether you 'cause you could like him with this.
• 1:14:15
  Like I liked him until I until I didn't like him.
• 1:14:17
  Well, I think his accomplishments are understated.
• 1:14:21
  What do you he accomplished? So the border accomplishment is
• 1:14:23
  enormous for sure. You know what?
• 1:14:27
  That's what he promised, that's Evan wanted, and he did it.
• 1:14:29
  The boat. Was leaking it, it, it's still,
• 1:14:32
  it's listing terribly. We don't even know it.
• 1:14:34
  We're so drunk. We're on the deck and they're
• 1:14:37
  playing the orchestra right. And like the Titanic, don't
• 1:14:40
  worry, we're unsinkable. We are not unsinkable.
• 1:14:43
  We're going down very fast. So they didn't just let 20
• 1:14:48
  million illegals in. They didn't just say come on
• 1:14:52
  over. It was 20.
• 1:14:53
  I thought it was closer to 10. Five her 20.
• 1:14:56
  OK, so call 15I. Have a relative that worked on
• 1:15:01
  the border a couple years ago for quite some time and she was
• 1:15:10
  an EMT that did triage on undocumented people.
• 1:15:16
  That's cool. So this is really first hand
• 1:15:19
  from her and she is not a Trump fan, She's not a a right wing,
• 1:15:27
  she's not progressively liberal, but.
• 1:15:29
  Sure, she's not What? What?
• 1:15:31
  Was going on and what was going on is they're letting these
• 1:15:34
  people in the war patrol would round them up, triage them and
• 1:15:39
  then send them on buses free of charge with court dates quote UN
• 1:15:45
  quote 10 years in the future to figure out their status.
• 1:15:52
  That's not an accident. That is an intentional treason
• 1:15:57
  based act. There's a lot of treason that
• 1:16:01
  happened, but you know what? There's a good amount.
• 1:16:04
  What do you think of this freaking war in Venezuela?
• 1:16:07
  We did ground strikes today. That's an ongoing investigation.
• 1:16:15
  I'm. Not you know what I read.
• 1:16:16
  That's right, I read, I'm reading.
• 1:16:19
  I, I did a podcast with a guy named John Perkins and this guy
• 1:16:23
  is what's called an economic hitman.
• 1:16:25
  And this guy in started in the 80s with Panama.
• 1:16:33
  I don't. Think it was Venezuela, it was
• 1:16:36
  Panama was another country and then it was Saudi Arabia.
• 1:16:39
  And and this and this guy was he calls it, he calls what people
• 1:16:46
  call the deep state, a corporatocracy, which is
• 1:16:48
  essentially a combination of banks, corporations and
• 1:16:52
  government. And all of them have plausible
• 1:16:54
  deniability with one another. As in you have you have a
• 1:16:58
  problem. Well, the government ordered
• 1:17:01
  Bear Stearns to do it with Iran Contra.
• 1:17:03
  So we're not going to you know, so the government has nothing to
• 1:17:06
  say about it and Bear Stearns doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:17:08
  I'm so sorry there's no one you could talk to you about it, you
• 1:17:10
  know, like. That's one level.
• 1:17:13
  And then there's the Tucker Qatarlson level, where Qatar
• 1:17:18
  just straight out buys out our universities, buys out our
• 1:17:22
  right. I had a hard time with the
• 1:17:23
  Tucker theory about about that. You know, they're doing a great
• 1:17:26
  job with that. Sounds like Trump, but they're
• 1:17:29
  doing a great job. They've gotten the left against
• 1:17:32
  Israel and the Jews. They got the right against them
• 1:17:34
  and. Now they got the right against
• 1:17:36
  them. So you're going to tell me, but
• 1:17:38
  it was you. But you might want to look into
• 1:17:41
  that. I will tell me where I can look
• 1:17:43
  into it because I'll tell you what I think after you tell me
• 1:17:45
  where to look. Into it.
• 1:17:46
  There's this thing called the dark web.
• 1:17:47
  I'm not sure how to get there, but, you know, maybe it's
• 1:17:50
  underneath the ground somewhere. I don't know.
• 1:17:52
  You open up the dark. I have heard that Qatar funded
• 1:17:58
  his show to the tune of many millions.
• 1:18:01
  He was already wealthy. To begin with.
• 1:18:04
  But I think that you, of course you.
• 1:18:05
  Are you came from a heavy? I think the Qatar puts wealth in
• 1:18:08
  a different language bracket. It's not even it's not even
• 1:18:12
  called wealth. If you're the English teacher,
• 1:18:14
  it's something else. It's stupid rich.
• 1:18:16
  There's difference in wealth. I've got 6 cars and stupid rich.
• 1:18:21
  I have six islands. Come on.
• 1:18:25
  You know, but. You you know something's going
• 1:18:28
  wrong when he the right wing leader, is turning when you see
• 1:18:34
  Candace the. Right wing Candace is.
• 1:18:37
  Turning when you see when you see a proponent of Israel and
• 1:18:42
  the true right wing who couldn't be turned.
• 1:18:45
  Who's that? Charlie Kirk.
• 1:18:47
  Dead right. So you put all the pieces
• 1:18:50
  together. You want me to be political?
• 1:18:52
  This is what I see, No? No, no.
• 1:18:53
  I want you to otherwise here this is, this is, this is.
• 1:18:55
  I think. I think Trump with a roll of
• 1:18:57
  duct tape would be a dictator. Right.
• 1:19:00
  I think that people would love him so much because his actions
• 1:19:03
  speak louder than his his non educated words.
• 1:19:09
  He sounds like like an idiot. I mean he doesn't sound
• 1:19:14
  educated. Now there are friends of he's
• 1:19:16
  just, he's one of the guys, the president of the United States
• 1:19:20
  of America. He knows, oh, he knows he's
• 1:19:22
  playing chess while everybody's playing checkers, right?
• 1:19:25
  So Venezuela is not about the drugs.
• 1:19:27
  It's not oil. It's never been about the drugs.
• 1:19:30
  It's always about oil. It's about something.
• 1:19:32
  And Marco Rubio is not having it either.
• 1:19:38
  Rubio's A tricky guy. He's not.
• 1:19:40
  I don't get him either. By the way, he's smart.
• 1:19:42
  He's he's smart enough that you don't get him.
• 1:19:44
  That's how smart. He is, exactly, And he's got
• 1:19:46
  this so pleasant of a voice and he talks nicely and he's a nice
• 1:19:49
  looking, smooth guy, right? But he knows what's going.
• 1:19:54
  On OK, can I can Ioffer potentially what I think and you
• 1:19:59
  can tell me what you think of this my alternative response
• 1:20:02
  because. I have a It's not about UFOs
• 1:20:03
  implanting things with people's head.
• 1:20:05
  Is it? No, it's not.
• 1:20:06
  I think that here's what I here's my, here's my what I
• 1:20:12
  think happened or at least a big component of what happened to
• 1:20:16
  America, to the right at least that led to this.
• 1:20:18
  We can wrap up soon, if you want, is America.
• 1:20:24
  I'm having so much. Fun we spent, we spent 20.
• 1:20:28
  We spent, I mean, really 70 years in almost in constant war,
• 1:20:33
  right? We do.
• 1:20:35
  We do know that war debilitates economies like it.
• 1:20:40
  Halliburton would argue with you.
• 1:20:42
  Well, Halliburton and so the reason why they would argue with
• 1:20:45
  me is because the way that you fund a war is you basically take
• 1:20:49
  a check from the taxpayers and you give it to Halliburton and
• 1:20:55
  then Halliburton gives that gives their weapons that the
• 1:20:59
  taxpayers gave them to whoever America's choosing to assist or
• 1:21:02
  not at that point, right? Or whatever war we're
• 1:21:05
  participating in or not, right? So, correct.
• 1:21:08
  So right now, the American people have been footing the
• 1:21:12
  bill for the better part of 75 years of wars, right?
• 1:21:16
  One way or the other, Korea, Vietnam, since World War 2.
• 1:21:21
  These are incredible, by the way.
• 1:21:23
  I'm going to try. Them if Afghanistan, Iraq, you
• 1:21:27
  know, then there's a whole Central America in the 90s,
• 1:21:30
  which is pretty which is kept pretty quiet for the most part I
• 1:21:33
  think for my understanding. And the point is that, and then
• 1:21:38
  in the meantime, we have enormous issues in America with
• 1:21:41
  fentanyl, with our vets, with economic, I wouldn't even call
• 1:21:46
  it instability, but you have an enormous amount of debt in every
• 1:21:50
  kind of way. You have car debt, you have
• 1:21:52
  mortgage debt, you have student loan debt.
• 1:21:54
  You have, you have, you have, you have health, you have
• 1:21:56
  health, you have health bills or, you know, pharmaceutical
• 1:21:59
  payments or huge reason why people are behind in their
• 1:22:02
  bills. You know, you have credit card
• 1:22:04
  buy now, pay later debt, right? Like our entire country is built
• 1:22:07
  on debt. And I really do believe that the
• 1:22:10
  root of a lot of war is when you realize that you don't have
• 1:22:15
  enough, you want what other people have, right?
• 1:22:18
  I think that a lot of what conflict is, is when they're
• 1:22:20
  like when, when, when the money is coming in, everyone gets
• 1:22:23
  along great. And then when someone turns off
• 1:22:25
  the tap, everyone starts fighting about who gets whatever
• 1:22:27
  waters left. And I think that we're doing so
• 1:22:31
  poorly now for so many years in a row that we're and, and
• 1:22:35
  there's so many issues in America, the education system,
• 1:22:38
  you know, there, there's just so many problems that exist.
• 1:22:43
  And then you're like, and why are we there or there or there
• 1:22:47
  now? Like, why does it make any sense
• 1:22:49
  when our, when you know, when, when, when we're suffering right
• 1:22:52
  now, when nurses that, you know, pay 150 two, $100,000 to go to
• 1:22:58
  NYU for two years to get the nursing degree, you know, will
• 1:23:02
  never be able to buy their apartment in Manhattan, will
• 1:23:04
  never be able to buy a house in Westchester or or even in
• 1:23:07
  Teaneck, NJ. Like they won't be able to put a
• 1:23:10
  down payment down because they, they, they're drowning in the
• 1:23:13
  cost of excess spend. And just like a sick.
• 1:23:19
  And there's American empire, which continues to expand.
• 1:23:23
  And then there's America, the homeland that supports the
• 1:23:25
  empire. And I think that the homeland is
• 1:23:27
  just suffering right now. Well, you're in water so deep
• 1:23:31
  you'd be some sort of nuclear powered submarine to get there
• 1:23:35
  and. Or AI robotics generation.
• 1:23:37
  Well, that's just. That's what we're counting on, I
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  think. That's a lie.
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  But you think so? I think that you're, you're,
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  you're dealing in such world politics.
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  I'm not the right guy to answer those questions.
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  Like I said before, I'm not so smart.
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  It's not the world. I think it's world politics.
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  It's not when we go to war. It's not because New Jersey
• 1:23:57
  needs a new air conditioning system.
• 1:23:59
  No Of. Course, because it's because
• 1:24:00
  there's trillions. Of dollars to be made wherever
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  we go. Or there's something way beyond
• 1:24:05
  our knowledge going on. And that's happens a lot.
• 1:24:10
  We're not friends with Israel because Israel is.
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  It makes great falafel. We're friends with Israel
• 1:24:18
  because it's a strategic play. It's important to us.
• 1:24:21
  We have an air base in Qatar because it's strategic for us.
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  Now why Qatar has an air base in America, that is a totally
• 1:24:27
  different story. How?
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  About all the Chinese owned land, you know our military
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  bases. So, you know, I had all these
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  questions and more and I decided, well, I can't answer
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  them. And I don't like being in the
• 1:24:42
  sidelines so much and doing nothing because I preach to
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  everybody, do something, do something.
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  Well, I ran for City Council. No way.
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  Yeah, in a small but affluent community, I got, I got pretty
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  close. I was 300 votes shy.
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  Oh, man. Which is great.
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  You know you could. Have you could have rigged that?
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  I could have rigged that. No, I'm not the right political
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  affiliation to rig it. I I ran really hard.
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  I put my all into it and people said I did well.
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  Which is great. Yeah, I didn't know that.
• 1:25:14
  How long ago was this? 2020 So 2022 23.
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  Was that fun? What was that like?
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  I couldn't want to do that. No, it was not.
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  Fun. No, I shouldn't do it.
• 1:25:25
  Oh, you could do it, but I don't.
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  Want to do it but. I don't even, I didn't even want
• 1:25:28
  the job, but I wanted to to, to get some, some some semblance of
• 1:25:35
  normalcy. I mean, this, this suburb that I
• 1:25:38
  live in was spending so much money on ridiculous things and
• 1:25:43
  they had gotten so far left with their policies.
• 1:25:48
  I, I, I just stood, stood up and I just said, we're going to make
• 1:25:51
  a stand. Now there are other people who
• 1:25:53
  helped me and, and they're, and they're also like minded.
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  And I didn't win. And thank God I didn't win
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  because I, I just don't want the job at all.
• 1:26:04
  But I, I did push as hard as I could to get there.
• 1:26:07
  And I think people should be somewhat politically attached,
• 1:26:12
  but understand that the rallies don't mean much.
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  Our enemies can rally 10 times what we can.
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  Our little rallies, as peaceful as they are, they don't really
• 1:26:27
  mean much. And I, I hate to sound all
• 1:26:30
  yeshivish and stuff, but you want to rally, go to the Bishop
• 1:26:35
  Meddersh, rally 10 guys together and go learn.
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  Because the only thing that's going to help you in the coming
• 1:26:42
  years, and there will be, there will be something.
• 1:26:47
  Chaos. Something, the only thing that's
• 1:26:49
  going to help you is the Lord above and get close to the Lord
• 1:26:52
  through whatever means necessary, through whatever you
• 1:26:55
  can do, whether it's helping somebody quietly, he likes quiet
• 1:26:59
  and, and, and not talking about it or praying better or being
• 1:27:05
  better to your children, to your spouse, whatever it is.
• 1:27:10
  And also studless, you know, just, yeah, get some water in
• 1:27:13
  the in the car, in the car, in the basement.
• 1:27:15
  Get some gold. I mean, gold's ridiculous.
• 1:27:18
  I don't even know. I I gold is at $4500 an ounce.
• 1:27:24
  I know that shows how how how how freaking close we are to the
• 1:27:29
  edge is what it feels like. But what you see also is that
• 1:27:32
  the stock market. Is well, I.
• 1:27:34
  Bounding up now golden stock market should be inversely
• 1:27:38
  proportionate. Should.
• 1:27:39
  Be right every time in the world.
• 1:27:41
  Well, almost every time. They're inversely proportionate.
• 1:27:44
  Yeah. If people are happy, they don't
• 1:27:46
  buy gold. Yeah, they buy gold.
• 1:27:49
  They buy ammunition. Yeah.
• 1:27:50
  Because they're not happy. Yeah, there's a, there's a, a
• 1:27:54
  police gun store, you know, a uniform store, whatever locally
• 1:27:59
  from where I live. And years ago, they had a
• 1:28:03
  salesman of the year, a big picture of a salesman of the
• 1:28:07
  year. Do you know who the salesman
• 1:28:09
  was? Yes.
• 1:28:09
  President. Yeah.
• 1:28:10
  Obama. Obama sold more guns than
• 1:28:13
  anybody, right, Because people were afraid.
• 1:28:15
  They literally were afraid. Now, whether he won that
• 1:28:19
  political event, the presidency legally, not legally, he was
• 1:28:23
  president, right, for eight years, and people were afraid.
• 1:28:27
  They bought more guns and ammunition than ever.
• 1:28:30
  And then COVID hit. That didn't help anything.
• 1:28:33
  Everybody's got to buy a gun. Yeah, well, people don't buy
• 1:28:35
  guns when they're buying stock. Yeah, they're either buying
• 1:28:38
  stock or they're buying guns. A lot of who I know are buying
• 1:28:40
  both. A lot of who I know are doing
• 1:28:43
  both because you know what? You also we don't know where to
• 1:28:46
  put our money. Like if you have too much money?
• 1:28:49
  No, no. But you also know how to be
• 1:28:51
  responsible. Like you don't have enough to
• 1:28:55
  put into a house, but you can't. It's stupid to leave $1000 or
• 1:29:00
  $5000 sitting in a checking account.
• 1:29:02
  Because it's now worth 70% of what it's worth when you put it
• 1:29:05
  in there. Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  That's what I'm saying. So, so people are like, you know
• 1:29:08
  what, I can't do anything but put it in the stock market.
• 1:29:11
  I'm not making enough money to put it into something like real
• 1:29:13
  estate. But you know, I can't just, I
• 1:29:15
  can't afford to sit, to sit and live, to leave it sitting there
• 1:29:18
  for again, losing 1020% over year over year.
• 1:29:21
  Soduringthe.com bubble When dot coms made social media and
• 1:29:27
  trading viable for the everyday person, it changed The stock
• 1:29:33
  market. Used to be if you knew a
• 1:29:36
  stockbroker and you had to have a certain amount of money to
• 1:29:38
  even talk to one, right? They're not going to talk to you
• 1:29:41
  for Robin Hood $2.00, right? What was it There was a Liar's
• 1:29:45
  Poker Was the book about that I. Don't remember.
• 1:29:48
  You're the guy that wrote The Big Short.
• 1:29:50
  Oh yeah, I know the Big Short, but yeah.
• 1:29:52
  OK, anyway. So it changed the way the stock
• 1:29:54
  market works. Now it's again, it's not
• 1:29:57
  reality, it's social media. It is by this that's why Elon
• 1:30:01
  gets fined when he tweets about Tesla right?
• 1:30:04
  Because it's nothing to do. With the company Tesla, Elon
• 1:30:08
  Musk is a genius. He may not be a sociable person,
• 1:30:12
  but he is a genius. I think you may be the most
• 1:30:15
  relevant. I think you may be the most
• 1:30:16
  important human. I mean by the time by the time
• 1:30:19
  he dies to maybe have lived. Very possible at his his trucks
• 1:30:26
  are horrible disgusting, but he is a he's a an entrepreneur to
• 1:30:34
  the T and like I said, a genius has nothing to do with his
• 1:30:39
  political bent. Or his sociability.
• 1:30:42
  Yeah, or how many kids he has from how many different lives
• 1:30:46
  don't make a difference. Are you running the company?
• 1:30:48
  Well, good. A president you want.
• 1:30:50
  President wants a side hustle. Go ahead.
• 1:30:54
  Ten of them run the country. We don't care.
• 1:30:56
  Yeah. You think so?
• 1:30:58
  I think, I think so. I mean, JFK had too much, too
• 1:31:03
  much exposure, but if President Clinton wants to do whatever he
• 1:31:07
  wants to do and whatever. And no one gives a.
• 1:31:09
  Crap, I like nobody. Just and.
• 1:31:11
  Nobody even denies it either. Yeah, run the country.
• 1:31:13
  I was like, yeah, Clinton was great.
• 1:31:15
  You're right. But most people like Clinton,
• 1:31:17
  like cigar, no cigar, like Monica, Who cares?
• 1:31:20
  Like, did you get bin Laden? That's what we want to know.
• 1:31:22
  Was the country happy when you were, when you were president?
• 1:31:26
  That's what they want to know. Yeah, I don't think, I don't
• 1:31:30
  think people are going to say that about Trump right now.
• 1:31:31
  I don't think they're going to say it about the second term, I
• 1:31:35
  think. And the problem is he's trying
• 1:31:37
  to bullshit his way into convincing people again not to
• 1:31:41
  believe their own eyes like the comedy is better than it's ever
• 1:31:43
  been for No, it's not, dude. No, it's not.
• 1:31:46
  I'm a I'm, it's not dude. I go to the supermarket and I
• 1:31:50
  buy a cottage cheese and a milk and I pay 1195 and I'm like,
• 1:31:54
  where the heck did $11.00 go? And and and I have to be back
• 1:31:57
  here tomorrow for the same freaking thing.
• 1:31:59
  It's out of control. It is literally, especially
• 1:32:01
  South Florida is out of control. And I I don't know the answer to
• 1:32:06
  that. Again, I think we're hedging.
• 1:32:10
  I think we're really hedging on the fact that the combination of
• 1:32:13
  robotics and AI are going to be so are going to create so much
• 1:32:18
  wealth it creates. Oh, they'll create so much
• 1:32:20
  wealth. That, that, that, but that.
• 1:32:21
  Would be for a couple. Save us, but I don't think it's
• 1:32:24
  going to, no. No, what's going to save us is
• 1:32:26
  the same thing that created us. Hate to get back to it, but
• 1:32:30
  there are no atheists in a foxhole.
• 1:32:33
  I never liked that argument, by the way.
• 1:32:36
  Well, if you've ever been in a foxhole, you'd know.
• 1:32:38
  That I know, and that's the problem.
• 1:32:40
  And I've got good friends who are atheist agnostics, and you
• 1:32:43
  could see right through their everything.
• 1:32:45
  You give them a little bit of pain.
• 1:32:48
  So the question is, is, is the search for God?
• 1:32:51
  You know, there's a great, there's a great quote.
• 1:32:53
  And by the way, I mean, I'm just saying I'm just having a
• 1:32:56
  conversation over here. I I fully believe and I've never
• 1:32:59
  really not, but if God, the concepts of God is so great that
• 1:33:04
  it didn't exist, man would have to create him.
• 1:33:07
  Oh, absolutely. And like, that to me is like the
• 1:33:09
  no atheist in a foxhole conversation.
• 1:33:11
  Like if someone says no atheist in a foxhole, like, yeah,
• 1:33:13
  because you're scared out of your mind, you better hope that
• 1:33:15
  something's happening. You better hope that there's a
• 1:33:17
  big guy watching you over there. Because if not, your fuck.
• 1:33:19
  Man, that is the inconvenient truth.
• 1:33:21
  Right. Well, it should be for both the
• 1:33:23
  ways. Scientists might not like him.
• 1:33:26
  Yeah, because that's not science.
• 1:33:27
  It's not this. It's the study of something.
• 1:33:29
  But it it it boils down to the same amoeba.
• 1:33:34
  Yeah. Yeah, it's the it's the lowest
• 1:33:35
  level. Yeah.
• 1:33:36
  You go to the quark who created the quark, and you just you're
• 1:33:39
  you're you're left. Science stops.
• 1:33:41
  Yeah, Yeah. It starts with the universe.
• 1:33:43
  They rely on the same miracle that we, you know, they rely on,
• 1:33:45
  on a miracle of The Big Bang. Exactly.
• 1:33:49
  So to be continued. This was a pleasure.
• 1:33:52
  It was so much fun now. We'll have to do another 10.
• 1:33:54
  Where'd you What'd you think? Your first podcast for the
• 1:33:56
  record out of 10. I won't know until.
• 1:34:00
  It's only if you have a target on your background.
• 1:34:03
  If there's not a crown Victoria winning outside thank.
• 1:34:05
  You so much for coming. This is a lot of fun and you
• 1:34:08
  saved my holiday season. I had no podcasts in the
• 1:34:11
  pipeline until Wednesday. I'm glad I could do that for
• 1:34:14
  you. Monday, thank you so much.
• 1:34:16
  Take care.