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AMA & Hangout with Contributors (Nov 2025) | Yaron Brook Show · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: Okay, a lot of it of us.
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  Speaker 2: And an individual loss.
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  Speaker 3: This is the.
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  Speaker 1: Oh right, everybody, Welcome to your one book show. It's Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: November twenty ninth. It's it's like god, the end of
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  Speaker 1: the month. It's the end of the year. We're almost done.
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  Speaker 1: Let me switch the view on this. We'll go to
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  Speaker 1: speak of you. But yeah, the year is uh, it
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  Speaker 1: just goes past fast, and the older you get, the
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  Speaker 1: fast it goes.
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  Speaker 4: That's just I think.
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  Speaker 1: That's Einstein's theory of relative de or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kidding, it's not. I mean, it's just it's just
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  Speaker 1: a h it feels that way, all right. So let's
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  Speaker 1: see we've got I don't know why. Yeah, you guys
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  Speaker 1: are not if you're not on video, you're not appearing
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  Speaker 1: on my screen. But I think I can manage that.
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  Speaker 1: And let's see. We will have a show tomorrow. I'll
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  Speaker 1: publish it later today. Not to exactly what the topic
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  Speaker 1: is going to be, lots of my mind, so it
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  Speaker 1: could be a lot of different things. We'll see, we'll
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  Speaker 1: see which one I choose. We will be doing. We
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  Speaker 1: will be doing more shows on capitalism and kind of
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  Speaker 1: the West versus religion, which is the theme of my
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  Speaker 1: new book with Don and about finding meanings. So those
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  Speaker 1: will be theme thematic shows that are going to be
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  Speaker 1: on the weekends. Moving forward, all right, let's let's jump
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  Speaker 1: in with a panel a panel here today and take
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  Speaker 1: questions from them. Super chat is open so those of
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  Speaker 1: you who are on YouTube can also participate and they
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  Speaker 1: ask me anything to the super chat as always, and yep,
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  Speaker 1: more people are joining. And let's start with U with Jennifer.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, would you.
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  Speaker 6: Say that there's an abalidity to the argument that AI
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  Speaker 6: generated art does not have the same value psychologically even
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  Speaker 6: if it's well done, because it's not coming from a
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  Speaker 6: full individual consciousness. It's like and you could even have
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  Speaker 6: like a three or four people contribute to a song,
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  Speaker 6: but there's still individual living, you know, consciousness, and it's
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  Speaker 6: like a bunch of different pieces much together and spit out.
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  Speaker 6: Is there any validity to that that it would be
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  Speaker 6: less meaningful because of that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the reality is that it's
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  Speaker 1: based on you know, whatever the AI is doing is
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  Speaker 1: based on it's learning from human beings. I mean learning
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  Speaker 1: in quotation walks. It's not real learning. It's delivering something
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  Speaker 1: that I think from most people wouldn't even be able
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  Speaker 1: to identify as AI.
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  Speaker 4: They couldn't differentiate it.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, Canada elicit an emotional response from them?
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  Speaker 1: Canada elicit a sense of life response from them? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: See how not.
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  Speaker 1: Is it going to be as deep? Is it going
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  Speaker 1: to be as meaningful?
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  Speaker 4: Probably not.
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  Speaker 1: And you're not going to get any works of genius,
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  Speaker 1: any anything new, anything real revelatory. But you know, could
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  Speaker 1: could AI produce a a another romantic comedy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically taking all romantic comedies of the past and mushing
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  Speaker 1: them together somehow and coming up with a storyline and
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  Speaker 1: pretend actors and you know, digital actors and all of that,
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  Speaker 1: and people will be enjoy it. Sure, I don't see
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  Speaker 1: why not. And if not now then then in in
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  Speaker 1: you know, in one hundred years, Yeah, I mean for
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  Speaker 1: certain And yeah, and it's going to become even more
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  Speaker 1: difficult for experts to figure it out what is what?
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's a real you know, it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: real question of how art evolves given the existence of AI.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's going to be tricky, and it's and it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, human beings. I think art will evolve in
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  Speaker 1: new ways. I mean, the challenge is, we don't have
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  Speaker 1: a great artist. So if there were real geniuses and
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  Speaker 1: odd right now and applying it correctly, I think that
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  Speaker 1: they would do stuff with AI that is that it
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  Speaker 1: will enhance what they you know, would enhance their art
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  Speaker 1: in some way. But exactly what that looks like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, because I'm not a genius artist. Sadly, thanks
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer right them there.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, my question has to do with education and the
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  Speaker 7: philosophy of education, and I think the philosophy of education
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  Speaker 7: has to have priority in what we say and how
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  Speaker 7: we educate people because the distinction between private and government
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  Speaker 7: schools is still in the very far future. Very few
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  Speaker 7: Americans can afford full time private schools, and what ethnic
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  Speaker 7: minority these in America do is have very intensive after
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  Speaker 7: school or Saturday programs for their kids so their kids
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  Speaker 7: don't grow up disminded. Now, on the other hand, our
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  Speaker 7: current president was educated in one of the most expensive
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  Speaker 7: private schools in the country, and he is the prime
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  Speaker 7: example of a disminded person.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you can blame Donald Trump on his school.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that is way too generous to the school.
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  Speaker 1: That's way too generous to Donald Trump. I mean, people
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  Speaker 1: are not direct causal, you know, products of this day schooling.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is Donald Trump because of the choices Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump made and his school didn't help. But his school
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  Speaker 1: is not to blame. I'm sure that lots of people
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  Speaker 1: who went to that private school who are good people,
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  Speaker 1: who have done good things in their careers and have
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  Speaker 1: done amazing stuff. Let's not let Donald Trump off the
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  Speaker 1: hook by blaming his school for the condition of his consciousness.
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  Speaker 7: Well, not one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: Not even fifty, even fifty. I know people who went to.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the worst schools possible and they did great
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  Speaker 1: in life. You know the idea that we're deterministic by
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  Speaker 1: our education. People can overcome bad education.
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  Speaker 7: I spink people have overcome back bad education.
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  Speaker 3: But it is not easy.
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  Speaker 7: It requires a lot of mental focus. And if you
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  Speaker 7: are trained not to exert your mind, that has an influence.
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  Speaker 1: It has an influence. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: you have to exert your mind. You have to, you
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  Speaker 1: have to focus your mind, so you get to make
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  Speaker 1: that choice. It's it's not it's not preconditioned by the
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  Speaker 1: motivation or the education that you get. It's tougher, it's
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  Speaker 1: more difficult, but it's not. But I agree with you. Look,
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  Speaker 1: philosophy education is crucial. Luckily there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people working on it. You know, Lended has a course.
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  Speaker 1: But Matt Bateman and and Ray Niles every good. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, they are schools, the objective schools out there
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  Speaker 1: that are you know, offering offering alternative education. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: by doing that, by the very nature of doing that,
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  Speaker 1: they are developing ideas around education and in a sense
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  Speaker 1: implicitly or explicitly a philosophy of education. So I think absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: In in.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the.
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  Speaker 1: Philosophy of education is cruse, and luckily there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of work being done on it, so it's good.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I don't think it is the right kind
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  Speaker 7: of work. I think that Higher Ground Education, if you know,
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  Speaker 7: the recent history, badly overestimated the size of their market.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that is that was the problem at
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  Speaker 1: Higher God Education. I don't want to get into what
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  Speaker 1: happened at Higher God Education. That's not the point. The
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  Speaker 1: point is, whatever the size of the market is, they
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  Speaker 1: are working both as individuals and as kind of a
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  Speaker 1: in some senses, as a group different people, different people
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  Speaker 1: are working on the ideas of the philosophy of education.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the business side of it, and the
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  Speaker 1: and the business failure reflect necessarily on the issues of
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  Speaker 1: philosophy of education, of the methodology or the philosophy of
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  Speaker 1: the education. Business errors were made that resulted in failure.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't attribute more than that to higher ground.
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  Speaker 7: But what I'm trying to get that is that people
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  Speaker 7: from minority communities, especially Jews, East Asians, South Asians, have
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  Speaker 7: their own after school.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they still but the reality is, Adam, that
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  Speaker 1: they still can't think. That is the reality is that
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  Speaker 1: Asian Americans are not like the super rational in a
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  Speaker 1: sense that they think, yes, they could do math really
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  Speaker 1: really well, and they study with programs that teach them
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  Speaker 1: the math, particularly the math that gets them to solve
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  Speaker 1: problems into into into uh, you know, do do tests well.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Jews are some of the worst thinkers
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  Speaker 1: in the world out there, I mean, some of the
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  Speaker 1: worst leftists and rightists. So jewse it doesn't guarantee anything.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that they're getting extra education is not does
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  Speaker 1: not solve the problem of the failure of a educational system.
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  Speaker 1: The failure of educational system needs to be thought from
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  Speaker 1: the ground up. Uh. And you can you can put
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  Speaker 1: a band aid on it with after school programs, but
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  Speaker 1: all it is is a band aid at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day. To really to really get kids to
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  Speaker 1: think and to learn how to think, and to give
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  Speaker 1: them content you need you need to rethink education, which
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people.
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  Speaker 7: This is what people are doing, are they Well, I
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  Speaker 7: know that objectivists are doing that, but we are at
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  Speaker 7: a critical point where they disminded are becoming the majority
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  Speaker 7: of the American population of Americans ulture.
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  Speaker 1: There's literally nothing we can do about that at this point, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's there's three hundred and fifty million
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  Speaker 1: of them and there's only a handful of us. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the reality that we have to live with.
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  Speaker 7: But with modern online media, couldn't we do it faster?
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  Speaker 1: I doubt it? That is I doubt it. The attraction
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  Speaker 1: of online media is for the mindless, I mean the
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  Speaker 1: mind the mindless content is it grabs attention. Our content
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  Speaker 1: is very, very very difficult to grab people's attention in quantity.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying we shouldn't do online education. We should
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on in online education, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to be the difference maker
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  Speaker 1: anytime soon.
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  Speaker 4: Right, let's move on, Adam, I get it.
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  Speaker 7: One's where didn't I rant set up an example of
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  Speaker 7: how to get people's attention, to get the ideas across.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, she wrote genius novels. If you know of a
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  Speaker 1: genius novelist who could do that again, that would be fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: But well she wrote she did it through art, That's
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  Speaker 1: how she did it.
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  Speaker 4: And she did it.
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  Speaker 1: Through the sheer force of a personality. And we don't
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  Speaker 1: have iron Rand and we don't have artists who can
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  Speaker 1: convey that kind of message in that kind of way,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And that was seven years ago, where where
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  Speaker 1: there was very different distractions on people, you know, facing people.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very different world now. But I really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there are other people in the that I had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that should get a chance. Right, let's see the order
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  Speaker 1: here is all messed up? Ian, Hey, you're on.
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  Speaker 8: Let's go back to the you had in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 8: the one at the at the church.
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  Speaker 1: It was fun, yep, it was.
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  Speaker 9: It was pretty interesting to see.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't see the whole thing I left a little
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  Speaker 8: early and my car actually broke down on the Bay Bridge,
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  Speaker 8: which kind of an odd, an odd ending to the evening.
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  Speaker 8: But so watching it, you know, your first I thought,
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  Speaker 8: your first, your first part of the presentation, your first speech,
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  Speaker 8: whatever you want to call it. Yep, you know, it
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  Speaker 8: was pretty good, pretty well organized. I thought it kind
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  Speaker 8: of laid out the case. And then it was interesting
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  Speaker 8: to see when you came back after the speeches in
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  Speaker 8: the middle, you seemed pretty fired up, like you just
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  Speaker 8: jumped in and tore right through. So I wanted to
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  Speaker 8: get your your take on that and kind of how
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  Speaker 8: you were feeling sitting there listening to some of those speeches.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it. Yeah, It's much easier for me
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  Speaker 1: to get fired up once I hear the other side,
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  Speaker 1: because they were so lame, right, lame in every dimension.
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  Speaker 1: Not only was it, of course the defending religion, so
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  Speaker 1: that's flame to begin with, but they were historically they
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  Speaker 1: had no clue what they were talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so the history was wrong. They were giving credit to
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  Speaker 1: religion where credit did not belong. They you know, they
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  Speaker 1: and I can't remember, I can't remember the sequence of
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  Speaker 1: the evening. Sadly, I can't remember these things, and I
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  Speaker 1: do too many of them. But you know, at some
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  Speaker 1: point there was there was the white nationalists kind of angle,
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  Speaker 1: which god, as I think you know from my show,
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  Speaker 1: pisses me off to no end. And and there was
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  Speaker 1: just so much wrong with what they were doing. And
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: you know, adding to all that, I think, to a
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  Speaker 1: logic extent, we're sitting in the middle of you know,
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco, which is you know, let's call it Silicon
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  Speaker 1: Valley like this, these are smart kids, These are not
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  Speaker 1: dumb people. They you know, most of them were founders
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  Speaker 1: of working at startups. Some of the younger people were
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  Speaker 1: students from Stanford to Berkeley who I'd met earlier, and like,
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  Speaker 1: this is the level. I mean, it's so disappointing in
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  Speaker 1: the sense of what you'd expect of people in San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco in the tech world. And I don't think you
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  Speaker 1: would have had that crowd twenty years ago, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I lived I lived in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I lived in a ba area in the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's no way you'd have that crowd
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  Speaker 1: in that crowd in the nineties, right, I mean, religion
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  Speaker 1: was out certainly among techies, certainly among that group of people,
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  Speaker 1: and to see it come back with such you know,
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  Speaker 1: passion and so unsurprising, so confused, being so confused and
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  Speaker 1: everything else about it. Yeah, so that but I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that first of all, it was fun,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, it's always fun when you when you
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Of back and forth, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think I created a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: cognitive distance. I don't know if you saw it. At
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  Speaker 1: the end that I got a standing ovation, which was weird, right,
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  Speaker 1: because all these people disagreed with me, right, I still
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  Speaker 1: everybody still, you know, was against the proposition, but they
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  Speaker 1: were enthused, and at least I got some of them thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I think, I hope.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I didn't stay to the end. So I'm sad.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sad I missed out.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was getting late. So there was a
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  Speaker 1: standing ovation, and then there's a lot of discussion afterwards
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of the young people. Sadly, some of
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  Speaker 1: that just made me angrier because some of the people
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  Speaker 1: who came up were like Curtis Yov and fans and
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  Speaker 1: uh and and white National, White super And when I
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  Speaker 1: said to one of them, I think I mentioned this
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  Speaker 1: another show, like I got angry, like about the white nationalism.
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  Speaker 1: He was like looked at me, puzzled, like why you're
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: getting angry. It's like you have no sense, and how
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  Speaker 1: despicable the ideas you're advocating for really are.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they're so accepting of people like Jarvan and that
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  Speaker 8: that is just crazy that he is friends with Mark
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  Speaker 8: Andreesen and jd.
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  Speaker 4: Vance liked and Peter Teel and it's just unacceptable. Well,
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  Speaker 4: and he was brought in I remember this happening.
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  Speaker 1: It was in twenty fifteen, and he was brought into
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  Speaker 1: the klam On Institute claim On Institute, who historically is
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: an institute conservative institute based on Strauss and Straussian ideas,
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  Speaker 1: but also I forget the guy the.
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  Speaker 4: Thinker who founded and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, it was basically one of these conservative think
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  Speaker 1: tanks that really really emphasized the Declaration of Dependence and
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  Speaker 1: the Constitution. They loved Lincoln and they were like, you
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: know intellectual, oh, you know, old style conservatives. Now we
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: know there's a real corruption there, but they have because
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and then they these real intellectuals digging deep into the
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  Speaker 1: founders invite Kurtshavn in and make him part of the thing,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when he became he was mainstreamed. It was
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Anton something Anton who wrote that famous piece flight ninety
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  Speaker 1: three about how electing Trump was like rushing the cockpit
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  Speaker 1: of flight ninety three. Right, you probably were going to die,
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  Speaker 1: but what alternative was you were going to die anyway
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  Speaker 1: because of the because the left was going to kill
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  Speaker 1: us all. So that that was Mark Anton, I think
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  Speaker 1: Michael Anton. Michael Anton, Yeah, and he wrote that so
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  Speaker 1: and he was friendly with Kotishyoffin and that all brought
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  Speaker 1: you ofvin In anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, So it was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I'll probably do one of those again, so they'll probably
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  Speaker 1: invite me back, so you know, I'll think of another
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  Speaker 1: topic that can w with them up and well me
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  Speaker 1: up and see where that goes, Right, Thanks, Ian, uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's see online.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, yeah, Ieron. So I just came back from
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  Speaker 3: a month in Vietnam and actually another week in Loois
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  Speaker 3: and then one thing that was really interesting I found
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  Speaker 3: was like, go oll, the ho g min must be
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  Speaker 3: spinning in his fancy mausoleum because they seem to be
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  Speaker 3: very capitalist in many respects. Now, you know, I'm really
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  Speaker 3: not whitewashing the nature of the regimes and all that
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But my question was more and it's
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  Speaker 3: an interesting you know, one of these days, I love
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  Speaker 3: to talk you more about that in terms of how
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  Speaker 3: what I actually saw there. But what I was wondering
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  Speaker 3: was did the US really miss a big opportunity after
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  Speaker 3: World War Two to kind of really push the European
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  Speaker 3: countries to divest their colonies, like don't let's go back
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  Speaker 3: to Vietnam and take it back over again and kind
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  Speaker 3: of you know, again saying it's somewhat naively, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: basically a chance to befriend all of those ex colonies
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  Speaker 3: and maybe that way, you know, bring them away from
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  Speaker 3: communism and all that kind of stuff. Now, I know,
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  Speaker 3: Communism had a lot of appeal in those days, was
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  Speaker 3: in the West and had a lot of appeal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and it obviously ties back with the whole
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  Speaker 3: way that we allied with his own unions Russia that
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: we never should have.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: It's certainly as possible that I don't know that the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: colonies would have been that different. That is, as you say,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: communism was very popular. Remember the intellectuals in the colonies
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: African intellectuals, Asian intellectuals well trained by westerners France, primarily
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: in France, and so primarily by kind of egalitarian philosophers
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: of various sorts and communists of various sorts, and you
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: know that they so I don't know if their fate
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: would have been different. I mean, look at Cambodia, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Cambodia turned to communism relatively late, and all the camera
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: roos were trained in France, and they went back and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they took over and they turned it into this hellhole
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and independent kind of on of the whole colonialism project.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So I fear that the turn of these colonies towards
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: communism was probably inevitable given the intellectual state of the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: world at the end of World War Two, which is
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: tragic and sad for lots of reasons. And I mean
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: nine Man said that World War Two completely discredited collectivism,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: but it didn't really, It didn't discredit communism. It discredited
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: nationalism fascism for a while, and that hasn't lasted, but
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it didn't discredit communism, and communism held on somehow. I mean,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: even the fall of the Berlin Wall hasn't discredited socialism.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I don't. I don't think it would
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: have been any different. I mean, look at Africa today,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it's still not out of the cluttures of kind of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that that intellectual tradition. They still haven't been able to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: shake it off. And of course America was in no
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: position to do it. I mean, coming out of World
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: War Two, you know, the intellectuals were quite left. The
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: people within administration, Truman administration were quite left. Eisenhower took over,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: kind of representing nothing ness, you know, zero, no intellectual background,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: no intellectual anything. So the United States was not I mean,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: sure if the United States after World War too had
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: advocated for capitalism, yeah, and and maybe that would have
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: all changed, but it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Couldn't and it didn't have the people to do it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: But it just seems it just seemed like, you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: and again I'm using Vietnam as the example, because it
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: was just there that you know that if the US
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: there in particular had just said to France, like, no,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you don't come back. Yeah, And I mean I don't
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: think France was in any position argue really.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it would have been good in
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the sense that it would have saved a civil war
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and or at least saved American lives. We probably would
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: have never got involved if France had left. And that's
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of war happened earlier, I mean, because it happened in
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the sixties. Now, the US was on this whole thing
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: about protecting the world from communism, so it intervened, But
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it could have been that we could have saved some
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: American lives and the whole cultural you know, Malay, there
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: was Vietnam right well.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I know you want to move on, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: just very quickly. One observation I had throughout the country
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: was though, that very little, if any hard feelings against
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the Americans.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I think that That's what I've heard. And what interesting is,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: although although that.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Might be changing now with the idiot there.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, That's that's true. The whole world not
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: not unique to Vietnam. Yeah, I mean I felt that way.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you say, it felt like this
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: is capitalism not and that's how I felt about China.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: You know, when I would visited China, it's it's it's
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the same phenomena Vietnam is done. Basically, it's mimic China
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: in many respects. It's a single party system. But you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: know day to day most vietname is just like in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the past. Most Chinese don't feel the foot of the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: state on them. They kind of left alone. They can
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: start businesses, they make money. That's there's no there's no
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: there's no mass we I mean, we would distribute more
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: wealth in America than the Chinese do, or than the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Vietnamese do. Funnily enough, right, and.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: You and they and they would be a potentially really
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: good ally against China. I mean there are a hundred
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: million people they don't like China. Yeah, yeah, you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: they would have been It could be a good alley.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: But Trump wants to be the life of China. He
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: doesn't want Trump wants.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: To be He's driving everybody into China's arms, right, absolutely,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: absolutely anyway, Yeah, thanks.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Let's see, Uh did this?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Uh? Andrew? Andrew?
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: You know, so, you know how some of the better
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: conservative intellectuals, like Ben Shapiro, they say that the origin
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: of America's foundation is a mix of Greek culture and
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: of Judeo Christian principles, and.
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: At least they give a nod to Greece.
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: But do you think how do you judge that claim
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: epistem Epistemologically, like do you think that that is baseless
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: or do you like just wishful thinking, or do you
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: think that there's genuine confusion there.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I think there's genuine confusion. And you know, look it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: makes complete sense. It requires epistemological and tangling to figure
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: out what's essential and was not. But you know, if
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you look at the Renaissance, there's a Renaissance. Certainly we
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: discovery of Greek ideas, but all the paintings and everything
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: is you know, religiously themed. Religious used to pay a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: big role. They're building churches and cathedrals and stuff like
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that is the manifestation.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Of the architecture that's being developed at the time.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: You know, almost all the thinkers, even into the Enlightenment, right,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: including thinkers in the Enlightenment, including all the scientists, all
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: claiming to be religious. Right, so Newton is super is
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: claims to be super religious. John Locke is religious. With
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: exception of you know a few of the French Enlightenment figures.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, even Voltaire claims he's religious. He does, he doesn't.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He's not conventionally religious, he's more of a deist type,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: but he's religious. The Founding Fathers, of course, all religious to.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: One extent or another.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: So I don't think it's I don't think it's completely
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: nuts to say that Western civilization is a mixture of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Christianity and and Uh and and Athens uha or Jerusalem
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and Athens, as Ben Shapiro does. And I think most
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: people believe that. That is, most historians, even secular ones,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: even even you know, leftist type of historians.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: That everybody really believes that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So it's going to take work for Don and I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to separate those two and to argue that, no, the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: essential civilizing force, right, the civilizing force is Greece. The
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: uncivilizing force, the anti civilizational force is religion, and the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: West is a mixture of the two. Right, the West
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: is a mixture. But to the extent that the West
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: is a civilization, it is the civilizing force that gets
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: all the credit and the uncivilizing force that gets the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: blame for whenever the West is uncivilized, behaves uncivilized, like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: on the communism, on the fascism, or in the common
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: world we live in today. So that is the work
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: in a sense that needs to be done, and it's
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: not an easy job. Yeah, So no, I think you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: can be completely unrepresented innocent and hold the West as
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a combination of both.
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: Okay, I just like would think here everything you're saying.
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: I mean, I just think they do start out with
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: a you know, obviously like they're devoted to Judeo Christianity, and.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can find, as I said, you can
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: find secular commentators with the same way and still would say,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: oh no, Look, at the end of the day, it's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a combination of both.
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: Even though I disagree with one, right, yep, yep.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a I mean, look at
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: look at somebody like what's his name? God, the genetics
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the biologist Dawkins. Dawkins says he's a cultural Christian, so
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: he he clearly believes that Christianity has played a big
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: role in Western civilization. Yeah, and they all do. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: there's a sense in which it has the question is
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: this a positive as a negative? Yep? Okay, thanks, uh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: thanks Andrew.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Let's see Holden.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Hey, you're on.
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: I've never told you this, So I just want to
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: say thank you for introducing me to objectivism, because, like
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: before you, I didn't know about it. So I read
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: Outlass Drugged and The fountain Head and all that and
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: Dan Norton also, but you were the first person because
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: I read your book The Free Market Revolution and that
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: with Don Hawkins, and like in the book, like you
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: gave a moral defense that I never heard of before.
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: So I just wanted to let you know that. Thank you,
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: and I so yeah anyway, but so thanks.
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: But what what does a typical day look like for you?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And how has it changed over time?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: God, I mean, uh, it's changed a lot. It hasn't
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: changed much in the last few years, but it's changed
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a lot over the long term. But a typical date
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: for me and now is like I get up, it
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: takes me, I don't know, about an hour to recover
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: from sleep. I find sleep exhausting, so I never wake
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: up refreshed. All of you morning people, I don't get it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: My wife's a morning person, so she's like, let's do stuff,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I need it. I need my coffee.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I need an hour just to recover, you know, from sleep.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And then I'll go work out for like an hour
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: almost every day when I'm home, and then I'll start
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: basically preparing for the show. I'll start looking through news
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and Twitter and different websites and stuff like that. Creating
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you know, sheets of links and stories and things like that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Sometimes during the middle of the day, I'll have some
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: meetings ARI related meetings or other related meetings that I have,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So I have meetings in the day. Then I'll do
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I'll do the show, I'll go out with my wife
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to have dinner, We'll come home, watch TV, go to sleep.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: That's that's a typical day, A typical day for me today.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But of course, typically when I'm not traveling, and then
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: when I try, you know, everything's everything's kind of goes crazy.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: When I travel, you know, every day is different. You
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: know when I ran when I was the c OVA R,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I I went to the office every day, so that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that was a big difference. When I had kids, first
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: thing I did in the morning was I typically woke
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: them up and dressed them and made made them breakfast
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and took them to school and then drove to the office.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So you know, I typically did all that. There were
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: periods when I was doing a lot of interviews. I
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: radio interviews, TV interviews, got to the studio, do a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: TV interview. I used to do more than you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: several interviews a day, sometimes on radio. Uh So, yeah,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's changed a lot.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Today.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: My life is much a routine because you know, I
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: don't do as much as I I mean, I don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: do as many different things as you do when you're
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the CEO and the intellectual, you know, and you know
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So that is a that is
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a routine day for me. Sounds fun, all right, Yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's cool, you know. And I never
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: used to work out, certainly, not as much as I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: do now. I mean I work out like so much
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: more than I used to work out when I was younger.
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: Really, Yeah, yeah, I'm a bit, uh, I don't know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: like adverse to physical exertions.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to change that. You get to get
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: over that, because the younger you do it, the easier
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: it'll be when you're older. And uh, there's no question,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: there's no question that the one thing that is gonna
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that is important for longevity, and not just longevity, but
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: but a healthy old age, like being being in good shape,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, not suffering as much when you're old, is exercise.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: There's nothing more cou it with low you know, low
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: rates of heart attacks, low rates of cancer, low rates
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of dementia. Then exercise so and and one way to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: overcome one way over to coome the hatred of exertion,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: which I sympathize with, is get a personal trainer if
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you can afford one, and uh and then and and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: then you feel you know, I'm a I call myself
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: a secondhanded masochist. So when it comes to inflicting pain
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: on myself, I'm I'm a peed of keating. I you know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I need somebody there to watch me and to uh
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: uh and to say you can do what you want,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: keep going, keep don't give up.
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: You know, I need that so that that you're probably
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: you're not a bunch of people probably the same way.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just having that person there.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Yea, it helps a lot. And then they also make
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: sure you do the exercise rights and that you know
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you're not injuring yourself.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: But thanks.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Today I did a four by four Norwegian, which is.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It's a four by four Norwegian is is you go
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: four minutes at basically eighty five to ninety five percent
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: of your of your max hot rate but real max,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: not not the formula real maxt rate eighty five to ninety.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Then you have four minutes rest, and then you do
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: it again and Uh. In my case, I did five times.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: And if that won't kill you, then I'll make you
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a lot stronger and increase your legivity significantly. Okay, I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: pretty I'm pretty pleased with myself at my age to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: be able to do it for you seem pretty energized
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: for your age.
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: Rarely do I see people your age getting up on
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: yelling for an hour and a half. I can't even
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: do that.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: It's all about motivation, it's all about loving it. Oh, thanks, thanks, Old,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. Uh Ryan Ryan Ryan wi is
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Ryane Rhyane? Would you unmuted? But I can't hear you.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I can see you. You're waving no microphone. Okay, it's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: not working. Okay, it's not asking anything, all right, Steve.
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you're right about working out and working out with
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: a trainer for the last year and a half, and
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: I'm I'm in the best physical shape I've been in
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: since my twenties. And just like the efficaciousness you feel,
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: and like dealing with the world, like if I had
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: to run across an airport now from one end or
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: the other, like no problem, we can totally make that happen.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bring it on. Frankfoot, my most hated a point
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: in the world.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some months ago I asked you a question.
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: I don't know what the question was, it doesn't really matter,
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: and your kind of response was, look, that's just Australism
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: in the world. And at the time I found this
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: to be like a wholly unsatisfactory response, at least for me.
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: I was like, I don't know what to do with that,
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: and just like you have, I think come around recently,
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: we need to talk about Tucker Carlson more, which I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: very sad about.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I realized we did not talk enough about altruism.
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: I used to kind of be of the mindset like, look,
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: we have this, like we have a reason problem, like
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: people aren't engaging the reason, aren't engaging with reality, and
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: if we like solve that problem, then we.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Can like have the nice things.
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: And I've come around to Okay, this altruism is like
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: a real problem once you see it, like you can't
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: unsee it because it's like literally everywhere. And so I guess,
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: are these the same problem? Are they different problems? Are
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: they related problems? Like I don't know, like does one
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: come first before the other?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Do you have to solve them both? Together.
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: I'm guessing this is something you devoted a non her
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: of the little amount of time to thinking about in
• 39:02
  Speaker 12: your various roles, and I guess, like, how do you
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: think about that? And then how do you think about
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: aris strategy like relating to these.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean how they how it comes about is
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: very context dependent.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: But I think the.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Dominant way, the dominant thing is altruism. Because you can
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: go back to periods in history, particularly European history. The
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Enlightenment is a good good example when people really took
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: reasons seriously, they were really trying. They didn't have it
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: fully art, they didn't have Ayrman's you know, if you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: have concepts, but they wanted to use It was about
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: using your mind and evidence and facts and don't b
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: as me and all this stuff, and I don't believe
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: in God and everything. And the one thing they couldn't
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: shake is altruism, right, So you know, altruism they get
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you when you're very young. You need to have a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: concept of an alternative because if one of the things
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that the altruists do very effect effectively is tell you
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: there is no alternative.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: This is morality, and the only alternative is to.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Be a you know, line, cheating, stealing, you know, a
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: whole that. That's that. Those are the two alternatives, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: ethics presents to you altruism or it comes in a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whole set of variations. Nobody actually argues for one hundred
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: percent altruism, so I mean with accepted and maybe Augustine comped,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: but almost nobody. And nobody argues for one hundred percent.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: You have to take care of yourself, you have to fruit,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and even a little bit, you know, pursue
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: happiness a little bit. Just don't don't overdo it, right,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So they are very good at marketing it. They get
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you when you're young. They present you with no alternatives.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And so even if you have reason, you you're bouncing
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: around inside a limited set of options and you don't
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you don't know where to go unless you're a genius
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: like Ironman. So Iman presents an alternative. So now if
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: we come to the modern setting, so now we have
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the ability to challenge altruism. Now we still can't get
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to that many people. You know, it's it's hard to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: get to all these people. Now that we have the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: ability to challenge altruism, we are dependent on people's ability
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to reason, and the decline in education makes it so
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: much harder because you know, I think reason today is
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: not as let's say, prevalent, particularly among the intellectuals, funnily enough,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: as it was let's say in the Enlightenment. Right, So
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: now you've got to you've got a problem. You can
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: present thinking people with. Oh, there's an option to altruism,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: but first of all, it's still hard, right, I mean,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: because I can There's a bunch of people who I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: respect in terms of their reasoning capabilities, kind of on
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the let's say, sent a left, but it's altruism gets
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: them all the time. They can't escape that, and it
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're willing to consider alternatives. But now
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: we have an alternative, so now we also need them
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to be able to think. My view is you can't.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: You can't have a strategy around one without the other.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: The strategy has to be we have to do both.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: We have to first of all, find the people who
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: can reason, because a lot of times, by the time
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you're an adult, it's too late. I mean, I'm not
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: going to be able to teach you how to reason.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to teach you. So
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you have to find the people who are still thinking
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and teach them about egoism, and then you can go
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: back and teach them some epistemology to beef up their
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: knowledge their commitment to reason. But I don't think you
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: could start with epistemology primarily because people are just not
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: motivated around epistemology. People are motivated about living and morality
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: is about living. So you have to offer them the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: alternative to altruism as the first step.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: It's like necessary but not sufficient.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they're thinking it's a waste of time, right,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, at some point down the road one day
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: when we have a thousand intellectuals, people will become people
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: will adopt egoism because they're secondhanded, because they're being told to.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: But that only happens when you dominate the intellectual sphere.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: As long as you don't, the people who are going
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to adopt egoism are going to have to be people
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: who are thinkers.
• 44:02
  Speaker 12: Is that how you got to the strategy of we
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: need to like pursue the intellectual.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Rebuild the train enough intellectuals.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's two things. One is we've got to find
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: so you've got to find a lot of people. We
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: don't know how to pre select the people who are
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: going this idea is are going to appeal to.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: So at the top of the funnel, you.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Just have to go wide, right, So you have to
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: go you have to go with.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: The books and let people read the books.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: You have to go with politics, you have to go
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: with things that just generally are going to resonate with
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: young people and maybe you can get them tend to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: read Man and then and then you need as many
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: intellectuals as you can because you've you've just got to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: expose more and more and more people. And who does
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that exposure? Ultimately it's the intellectuals. And who's going to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: challenge altruism. Who's going to get people interested in challenging altruism.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: It's going to be the intellectuals. And you know, even
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Holden said, I think he said he read Ironran, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: it took you know, reading another book that applies iron
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Man to a particular issue that really got him and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: captured him.
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: So it's going to take a lot of those books, right,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Free market revolution like books and in other books to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: get people, even once they read iron Ran, to see
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the relevance in their own life Some of us will
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: get it right off the bat when we read it
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: for the first time, and some don't.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: And you just have to have everything everything available.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: In that vein.
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: I have found Don Watkin's book. I've given that to
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: people who would be curious adjacent. Yep, yeah, I think
• 45:43
  Speaker 12: that's right.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: And we need Don's book about egoism, Effective Egoism.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I think it's called Yeah. I mean, we need a
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: lot more books like that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Because different approaches isn't going to appeal to different people
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: in different ways.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: And that's why you need intellectuals.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: You need intellectuals to write those books, do podcasts and
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: give lectures and do all the things that are going
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: to intrigue people and cause people to rethink what they believe.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks Steve Agent. I got my mic working here on
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: what's that?
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Oh your MIC's working?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Go ahead?
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: I got my mic working, Okay, go ahead, right, Thanks.
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: So my question is about scandals in this day and age.
• 46:25
  Speaker 13: I was a teenager in the nineties and I knew
• 46:28
  Speaker 13: about Monica Lewinski and I knew about oj and it
• 46:32
  Speaker 13: seems like today maybe I've changed, but it seems like
• 46:37
  Speaker 13: you know, something like deporting a US citizen to a
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: jail in Central Americmerica just doesn't even hit the radar anymore.
• 46:45
  Speaker 13: What do you think is the cause of that over time?
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: And I don't think it started in twenty sixteen. I
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: think it's been happening much longer than that.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I agree completely.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: It's a slow erosion in any respect for in respect
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: for human life, for individual rights, for the rule of law.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's been going on for a
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: long time. You go back to FDR and some of
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: the stuff he did. But really, I think in the
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: modern times, and I've talked about this, if he talks
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: about this, it really starts with nine to eleven, the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: amount of lying that our politicians did, the fact that
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: they send young kids into battle with their arms tied
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: behind their backs, you know, with the rules of engagement
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: that basically killed them on missions that had no purpose.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Or there was this movie that I recommended years ago,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: this group of American based on a true stories, this
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: group of American soldiers who were holding this Afghan village,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and they were getting slotted, and you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: why were they holding this village?
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Nobody could explain it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody could say, why nobody would give them the resource
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: to actually beat back the enemy. So no respect for
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the individual rights and the lives of these kids. You
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: know TSA. I mean like TSA is worse than Monica Lewinsky.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen this in a while, but you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: in the old days, used to see little girls going
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: through the thing and being padded down by somebody like you,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? What is this sinsanity? Taking off
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: your shoes, taking out the liquids from your bag. I mean,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: just concrete boundedness, violation of our privacy, violation of our rights,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and everybody just going with it, rolling with it, not
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: questioning it, accepting it. Nobody challenged it, right, I mean
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I used to say, imagine George Washington going through the TSA.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, he would like have a fit. He would
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: like you would like kick their butts. I mean, there's
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: no way. So you know, if we had self esteem,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't tolerate them. So we lost our self esteem
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: over many years, and and politicians have slowly, as a consequence,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: eroded rights and and you know so many so much
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of what George Bush did and then what Obama did,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: and then financial crisis and what they did during the
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: financial crisis. They bailed out one company, then they they
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: they let another company go bankrupt, and nobody asked why
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: this and why that? Why you know, who's who and
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and who's who's benefiting and who's you know, what's going
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: on here?
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Why why are they treating people?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: And Goverman did all kinds of things that were not
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: legit during the financial crisis in terms of the law. Right,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the Fed did things that it was never had been
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: approved by Congress to do, and did it and nobody
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: asked the questions.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Nobody could.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So I think we've just been just seen a constant erosion,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: certainly since nine eleven. During nine to eleven, during financial
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: questions and then COVID got you know, we were locked up,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: we were told to stay home, couldn't even go to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the park, you couldn't swim at the beach. I mean,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the insanity of that. And then we all, you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: mostly the culture went Okay, we'll do that, we can
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 50:11
  Speaker 13: But yet we have these huge of buyers, which are
• 50:16
  Speaker 13: I would say, George Floyd and Gaza.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, So there's certain issues that people get super
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: riled up about. So on the right, it's I don't know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: vaccines of all things. So and on the left, it's
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: anything where there's some minority that is perceived to be
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: suffering some injustice, and so the intersectionality trumps everything. So Gaza,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: it's Palestinians. They're weak, they're poor, and they're suffering. Israelis
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: are strong and rich and they inflicting the suffering. So
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: therefore we get upset. It's George Floyd, you know, representing,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you know, standing for Black Americans being discriminated, as being
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: suffocated by the police and by civilization, and we get
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: excited about that. So when it really appeals to the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to the altruism and the kind of the of the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: left or on the right, I don't know what it is.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: What you know, whether it plays into some conspiracy theories
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: that they have. You know, we'd have to think about
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: what's common to all the conspiracy theories. But they get
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: all excited about it, but none of it has to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: do with real individuals, right, real concern for human life
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and real concern for individual rights.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: That is gone.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: That is gone. So government, can you know, right now
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: blow up boats in the middle of the Caribbean. I
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: don't know who's on those boats. Nobody knows who's on
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: those boats. I mean, we have to trust, you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: we have to trust our people in the field for that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And nobody questions that they haven't got authority. Congress never
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: gave no authority to do it any and nobody cares.
• 52:02
  Speaker 13: But it doesn't make them. It's Hispanics, No one cares.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: If what.
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: If it's hispanics.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Partially, If it's his Hispanics, nobody cares. Partially. It's Trump
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: just overwhelms me. You were so many things that you
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: should care about. And I think the left is just
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: spiraling because they can't keep track of everything Trump does.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: They would like to care, they would like to make
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: a big sting, but where do they start. What do
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: you even start? Right, there's a million things going on.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Where do you even start? And they have no they
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: think they have no political party power, and then who
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: are they to speak up because they're they're massive violating
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: of right leaders of rights in their own right. So
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: it's it's almost impossible to to get excited about everything
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: he does because he does so much. And it's a strategy.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's a strategy. It's what they call it
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: called flood the zone. You flood the zone. They don't
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: know who to focus on, they don't know what to
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: complain about, and and you can get away with anything,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and they're getting away with everything.
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: Okay, thanks, sure.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Adri is there in the in
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the video ad there? Do you want to ask a question?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: There he is? Now I see him. You have to
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: unmute yourself.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're I'm just listening in.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, cool, okay, thanks, thanks for being here.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Thanks, all right, let's do a couple of super chats
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: from Michael by the way. Uh yeah, we don't have
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• 54:20
  Speaker 1: thank you guys. Okay, So Michael says, can evil people
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: ever experience joy or happiness? Or are they continuously in
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: a state of suffering? I don't think they can experience happiness.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: If we're even by happiness a state of non contradictory joy,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: that that is, it's not just a momentary joy, but
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: it is, you know, a state of being. It's it's continuous,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: it's over time. And note how Ian calls it non contradictory.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: So you don't have any end of emotions going on
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: at the same time, anxiety or other things.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: You're just things are just good. I don't think.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Evil person conspiraence that joy in and of itself. Maybe,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they can if it's momentary, and
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: it might be it might be associated with guilt. It
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: might I mean, they might be guilt with it at
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the same time they might be other stuff. That's why
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: ransom is non contradict your joys. They might be contradict
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: your joy in the sense that you feel joy, but
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: you're also feeling kind of at the same time guilt
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: or fear or something else. So I think joy is possible,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: happiness is not. Are they continuously in a state of suffering.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: They're incontinuously in a state of anxiety. There's definitely something
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: in the background all the time that is.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: I don't you know.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Suffering is a is a broad concept, but is is
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: you know, some kind of existential angst, some kind of
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: something is not right, some kind of feeling of things
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that are not right. I think anxiety fear are kind
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: of the motions that.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Most reflect that state of being.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael jjgbs uh Worth three, iterating says hospitals
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: as opposed to physicians did not exist in pre Christian
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Western civilization. Christianity brought balance to the dominance that prevailed.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: It clearly had some positive influence. That is taken for granted.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Hospital isisted. I mean the first hospitals you'll find are
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: in the Muslim world, and and medicine was was strongly
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: developed in the Muslim world and during its Golden Age.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know, I don't know that
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Christian Christians certainly didn't invent in hospitals. Look, the reality
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: is that Christianity was the dominant philosophy during during a
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: thousand years, over a thousand years, has been the dominant
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: religion and philosophy in the West. So a lot of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: stuff happened during those thousand years. Universities were founded, cathedrals
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: were built, hospitals were built, and every one of those
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: you can attribute to Christianity. But I don't attribute the
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: idea of hospitals, the idea of health, the idea of
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: applying science to trying to solve the issue of disease.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: To Christianity, that is a secular activity. It could be
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the Christians engaged in it, but Christianity didn't bring hospitals
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: into the West. You know, it might be being Christians
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: who built the hospitals, but yeah, everybody was a Christian.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: The activity of building hospitals is fundamentally secular, you know,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Christians to the extent that Christianity advocates for otherworldly This
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: world sucks and you shouldn't really care about this world
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: that much.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: It's the other world that you should care about.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: That mentality, that set of ideas, that point of view
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: does not bring hospitals into existence or brings hospitals into existence.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Is that this worldly perspective that you know, this life
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: is important and you should be healthy and there are
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: ways to becoming healthy through science and through study and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: through observation. Those are all essentially Greek, those are all
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: essentially secular. So you have to separate the activity. Is
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: a activity motivated and driven by a secular motivation or
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: is it driven by a you know, by religion, and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: religion isn't opposed to it. Religion goes goes opposite. All right,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: let's see, thank you jjjigbis and we've got low says,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: what does your favorite.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Dinner food look like? My favorite dinner would be.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: A twenty course prefixed dinner at one of the best
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: restaurants in the world, like it in the name now
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: excused me, but it's in Barcelona and I forget the
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: name of it, you know, or you know, at at
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Bar Charlie in uh in New York with Jeffrey making
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: me omakase omakase sushi and uh it's just food just
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: keeps coming. I mean, small bites, but a lot of it.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: That is my my favorite dinner is to be in
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: a in a you know, super interesting unique flavors and
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: textures and presentation and uh in you know, it's a
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: three hour meal and it's a blast, and it's it's
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: just a performance art as well as great food.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I have very low expectations, so that that would be
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: my favorite dinner.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: All right, let's see.
• 1:00:12
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  Speaker 4: For example, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, how does that actually work? And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's going to be a lot of fun. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to be you know, the three of us. I
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  Speaker 1: think we'll make it entertaining, so hopefully so in other words,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot of The conference is
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  Speaker 1: going to be great. There's also like a trivia contest
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  Speaker 1: on Atlas Shrug that Harry always runs.
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  Speaker 4: So encourage you all to sign up.
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  Speaker 1: Fort Maya's in one end of January early February is
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• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: relatively dry for Florida. It's it's warm but not hot.
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  Speaker 1: It's certainly not cold, so weather's perfect. The company is
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  Speaker 1: going to be great, gonna be a lot of objectivists there,
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  Speaker 1: to seeing a bunch of you there. If you live
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. It's an no brain, it's it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: driving distance.
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  Speaker 4: It definitely come. It'll be it'll be a terrific weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Iron Ran themed conferences us spreading, Yes, they are, they
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  Speaker 1: are spreading. All right, Let's see what else did I
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  Speaker 1: want to tell you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: On Monday, Harry Bin swaying Out will be my guest,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: so we'll be I'll be interviewing Harry. That'll be at
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: seven pm East Coast time. The following Monday, I'll be
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: interviewing Gene Moroney. Oh, Harry is going to be all
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: about individual rights. Everything you want to know about individual
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: rights and we're afraid to ask. That will be Harry's theme,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: So we'll be talking about individual rights on Monday. Following
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  Speaker 1: Monday will be Gene Maroney. The Monday after that will
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  Speaker 1: be Vincent. Family name I can't pronounce. I'll figure it
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  Speaker 1: out in the future anyway. Economist non objective is the
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  Speaker 1: economist fe market economist. And the last Monday in December
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  Speaker 1: will be Nikos, another family name. But Nicos is like Pelea.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Nicos is like he doesn't need a second name, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's just Nicos. That's That's like, it's like, you know,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: some people don't need family names, so well, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: be talking about nicos, about the socialism of the right.
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  Speaker 1: So uh, that is the program. And then we're booking
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  Speaker 1: people now for January and into February, so.
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  Speaker 4: I expect a bunch of people to be talking to
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  Speaker 4: a bunch.
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  Speaker 1: Of people over the next few months. All right, let's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: go back to a panel, and then those of you
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: who are on super Chat, those of you watching live,
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• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: let's start with Jennifer.
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  Speaker 14: I just wanted to say first that I find having
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 14: a dog helps me with exercise.
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  Speaker 5: I know it's not for everybody.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of work, but at a dog, okay.
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  Speaker 14: Because I mean she's got to go walk, you know, so,
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  Speaker 14: and she walks really fast and she pulls me along
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  Speaker 14: and keeps me.
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  Speaker 5: Going and it helps.
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  Speaker 4: Does Does she do push ups?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: I do that suffer.
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  Speaker 14: I do do like looked weights and stuff suffer, which
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  Speaker 14: I don't like.
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  Speaker 5: To do, but I do like it helps get you
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  Speaker 5: out outside.
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  Speaker 14: And my question is how come some people like if
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  Speaker 14: I tell people that reality is real and it is
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  Speaker 14: what it is, and they get like mad like they
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 14: don't like it that it's like that, and I find
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 14: it comforting that it's like that, that you know that,
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  Speaker 14: I mean if two and two switch to five tomorrow,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 14: all the bridges would fall down, you know, you know
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  Speaker 14: that it's not going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But then we can't we can't have miracles. And
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: what am I paying for? What's the point of all
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: these pres that I spend my time on? And you know,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: all those miracles happening day and night, how do you
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: explain those? Yeah, I mean, I mean it upsets them
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: because they're comfortable with the idea of privacy of consciousness.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: They and they want to believe in privacy of consciousness
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't work right, which is which is a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: big reason why they're miserable in their life, is because
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: they keep thinking their consciousness will so you know, will
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: affect reality somehow, when all their troubles will go away,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't. The prayers don't go answered, and it
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: pisses them off and they're so they're bitter, and that's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: why they're responding that way. They're bitter because they want
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: their privacy of consciousness to work.
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  Speaker 4: But they know you're right, and you think.
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  Speaker 14: They've figured out this doesn't work. Like when I was
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 14: a little kid, I actually had this little book like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 14: witchcraft or something when I was like eight, and I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 14: actually thought, yeah, I'm going to do these spells and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: And I've figured out it didn't work. So I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 5: it's not the way reality works. I mean, you should
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  Speaker 5: figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: Should make a list of all the things you know
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that people should have figured out when they were when
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: they were young, you know, you a long list. It's
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yes, they should have figured I mean it's
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  Speaker 4: they haven't.
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  Speaker 1: That's reality.
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  Speaker 4: They haven't and it and it's bewildering.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, part of the question is why does
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: some of us figured it out and others don't? You know,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Are you guys watching this Apple TV show?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it. It's it's about
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: this virus that affects all of humanity and turns them
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: into the the borg. It turns them into like one being.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody becomes one, the collective of the wei. Right, stayed
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: out of anthem, right, everybody's we but but there it's biological.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: They literally one entity and for some reason, this virus
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that like twelve people on the planet who who didn't work.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: On Oh so this still I pluribus or something like that.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Bus Yeah, yeah, and it is it good? I don't know.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm enjoy I mean, I kind of enjoy it.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: The first episode is a little weird and I don't know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: like the last episode that I watched, which which I
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: think is episode four. Now it's starting to get good
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: in my view because it follows one woman and unfortunately
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: they chose the one woman who didn't get the viruses
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: like this cynical yet a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit of you know, uh, you know, a little what
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: do you call it?
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  Speaker 1: Obnoxious? And but she is now trying to figure it
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  Speaker 1: out because one thing that blog the Bogue is told
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: her is that they are trying to figure out why
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: she wasn't infected and how to infect and how to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: make her part of the book. So she's now in
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: this time race and how to shield herself, continue to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: shield herself from she doesn't want to become one of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the bog and uh, and so she's trying to figure
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: that out. And then at the same time, you know,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: she's also trying to figure out is there a way
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to undo it? But you see one of the things
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: that the boat claims. All these they claim they're all happy,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: so they only do good things.
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  Speaker 4: They can't kill anything.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: This smiling all the time there friendly, everything gets done
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: because they all share the one consciousness. So it's so
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I still don't know if I if I like it
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: or not. We'll see how it plays out. It's in
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: that sense. It's part of the suspense is is it
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be good on it? But uh, it's it's it's interesting.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Apple TV does have a few good shows all right. Anyway,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: that reminded me of you know, I don't know what
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: it wy have reminded me of, but something reminded me
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: of it. Uh, let's see you sure, thank you, Jennifer Adam.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: Yes, I have a question about intellectual property. I have
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: been a very very long time fan of Daijiang Gum,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: which was the first seriously individualistic Korean TV series, and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: the protagonist's virtue is that she always has absolute confidence
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: in the efficacy of her own mind, and that brings
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: her into travel with Confucianism, and as you know, the
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: doctrine of the Chinese government is a Hegelian fusion between
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: Marxism and Confucianism, and so the Chinese censors insisted that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: all the anti Confucian elements be cut out, which reduced
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: they didn't going from eighteen DVDs to ten. And they
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: also insisted that in worldwide distribution the title be changed
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: to Jewel in the Palace, and they essentially threatened the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: distributor of not letting them do anything in the Chinese
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: market if it was not censored worldwide. Now I have
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: an archive of the original eighteen DVDs, how much can
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: I distribute it without violating the proper key rights of
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: the distributional company?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: You know, given that they were forced to do it
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: coast to do it by the Chinese government, I wouldn't
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: worry about it too much. You know, another hand, they
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: could have they could have not gone to China and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: distributed worldwide. So it was a choice that they made.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I you know, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: Are there any existential consequences because I've heard that the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: Chinese secret police operate in the US.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Probably not. I mean, they've got bigger fish to fly,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: so I wouldn't worry about it, thank you, yep, I
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't worry about it all.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Right, I'm line.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So just following up on my previous question a
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: little bit. One of the one of the things that
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  Speaker 3: I noticed in Vietnam is that there's a lot of
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: high problems there and given that it's a religion, but
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: it seems to be a less offensive religion than many
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: of the others, Like, for example, we had one guide
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: and again, you know how widespread this thought is, I
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: don't know, but he said that, you know, when you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: go to a temple, you pray for things, but one
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: thing you don't pray for is money because you're expected
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: to work for money. Yep, which I thought, Hey, that's
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: an accurate a sentiment. We could learn here a little bit.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: But I mean in general, I mean, what's how much
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: do you know about the religion and what do you
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: within the context that it's religion.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: And I don't know a huge amount. I mean, the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: biggest problem with Buddhism from what I can tell, is
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: this relative passivity. So you know which, But what's interesting
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: is if you look at cultures that have influenced by Buddhism,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: like China and Vietnam, they're not passive cultures. They're very
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: active cultures. They're very engaged cultures is if you go.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: But but it might be a different version of Buddhism
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: because if you go to South Asia you get more
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: passivity there. So Southern Asia is more passive in terms
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: of the application of Buddhism. You know, it has been historically,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: you know, India when in and out of different appears
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: and it's hard to tell because India had all kinds
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: of influences and I don't know that much about Indian history.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I should I should know more. So I think one
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: is some element of passivity. There's also an element of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: which shares with other religions, that this world is not
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that important. What's important is some other dimensions, some something
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you achieve by by distancing yourself from the material world,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: which I think. But again, the variations of this, so
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: there's a there versions of this which I.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: Think are healthier.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: As they moved, as they moved east towards China, they
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: got I think Buddhism got healthier. And then you know,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and then there's uh so, But generally there's no there's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: no I don't know, there's no guilt, there's no explicit
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: altruism in a way that Christian I mean Christianity is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: the worst of all the religions. There's no explicit altruism
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: the way Christianity has it. There's no crucifixion, you know.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of meditation. And meditation is probably
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: not a bad thing to do once in a while,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: as long as you don't expect the meditation to reveal
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: truth uh, and and just use it as a way
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: to relax the mind. It's so it I so, I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: think it's less damaging than uh Christianity, Islam and Judaism
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: and it and it takes over less of your life,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: that is, it doesn't have as far as I know that,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: like Judaism has what is it, five and fivefty five commandments?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: You have to follow five and fifty five things, you
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: have to do something like that. According to my monodies,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Christianity has lots of things less it's easy. It's what
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: one of the things that made it popular. Slam has
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: a bunch of things. Five pray five times a day
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: and you have to face Mecca and you have to
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: do this and you have to do that. I don't
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: think Buddhism has quite as many You have to do
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: this incest and which I guess replaced sacrifice and you
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: have to uh, you know, pray, which is more of
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: a give thanks to for stuff. But uh yeah, I
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: mean it's it seems less damaging.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, i mean some of the stuff we saw was like,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: you know, this kind of behavior will result of this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: karma and things like that. I mean, and half of
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: them were hilarious and half of it were okay.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not that. Yeah, it's more just
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: pure kind of mysticism, kind of old like pagan mysticism style.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I think the reason the East did not develop as
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: fast as the West has to do with Aristotle. That is,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: cultures that engaged with Aristotle did well, at least during
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the period in which they engaged with him.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: Cultures that didn't didn't. And so it's Greece.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: So what's interesting is India, of course, was exposed to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Aristotle suddenly because of Alexander, Alexander the Great and his
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: conquest that reached almost India, and that had an impact
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: down into India, and also the whole of Central Asia
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: was influenced. They also a lot of the a lot
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: of the a.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: Lot of the Greeks.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Traveled into Central Asia, so he got a lot of
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Greek culture into Central Asia. The Christians of certain sects
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: that were not that proved sects escaped the dominance of
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Christianity into Central Asia. So there was a lot of
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: really good in Central Asia. And it's why it had
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: the Golden Age. Really, the Islamic Golden Age is primarily
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: a Central Asian Golden Age. And there is this mergio
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: of Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, it was Zoroastrianism or whatever it's called, right,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: the Persian religion all happening there. So it was it
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: was in religion. No one religion was taken as the dominant,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and I think that helped as well. So there was
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: a certain openness to different religions, right, Okay, thanks, sure, Uh.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Let's see holden.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 11: Hey, I mean sorry, I mean I might sound like
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 11: I'm asking a lot of personal questions, I guess, but
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 11: that's fine.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: If you crossed the line, I'll say I'm not answering it.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Sure, Sure.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 11: So I was just gonna ask, like, in school, what
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 11: what what what were you like?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: What type of person were you like?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: And how because.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: I heard that you were Dan.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 11: Dan told me that you read out was drugged when
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 11: you were sixteen yep, and you were like throwing it
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 11: on the shelf or something like that.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: And who told you this?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: What's that? Who told you this?
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Dan Norton?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Oh? Dan?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 11: And And I just wanted to ask, like how did
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 11: that change for you?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: Like did you did you?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 11: Like I'm sure you know you're obviously the same person,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 11: but like, you know, did I'm just curious on like,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 11: you know how people like what type of person you
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 11: kind of were, and you know, like how that kind
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 11: of like changed like during your you know, when you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 11: were in school and stuff maybe like were you like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 11: militant with your professors or anything after?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Like, No, I never became militant with profess with my teachers,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: There's no point. I think there was a full ostry
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: class in twelfth grade and I raised some issues and
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: objectivism there because it was relevant. But I didn't like
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: interject my stuff into stuff that I didn't think was
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: relevant to literature history stuff like that. I didn't think
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: there was any points I got into arguments with some friends,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: but I was I don't think I was that militant
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: or I was obnoxious, but I don't. Yeah, I don't
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: remember as the truth. I mean, most of my friends
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: were obviously not objectivists because and I had friends close friends.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I had close friends, they were not objectivists. Ultimately we
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: drifted away, but that was years later. In high school,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: I had a group of fans. I did a lot
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: of hiking in high school, a lot of camping. We
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: were out in nature a lot. That didn't really change
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: after I had out the shrugged and I had the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: same group of friends. There were good people that I
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: went hiking with. You know, I was a mediocre student
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: because I didn't really like school. I kind of got
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: the grades I needed to get to to to do
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. But I didn't exert myself
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: too much. I was just going into the army. I
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: think that also shaped kind of my some my attitude.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, there was a non zero chance
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I was going to die when I was nineteen, so
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: why what you know.
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  Speaker 4: Shrinks your horizon.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, I had friends. I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't like a loner, although I spent a lot of
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: time alone. So I don't know I was. I wasn't.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: I wasn't very good with girls. I had a girlfriend,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't very good with girls. I was Uh,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: but I had friends. I was part of a scout
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: in Israel, they have Scouts like boy Scouts, but it's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: mixed boys and girls. And I was a Scout head
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: chief whatever, you know. I ran programs for them. I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: took them out on hikes. I've got some cool hiking stories.
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  Speaker 3: You're wrong.
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  Speaker 10: Were you individualistic prior to I know, like politically you
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 10: were collectivistic, but like, do you feel like personality wise
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 10: you were individualistic?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: I think I always had my mind. I always I
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: never went along with the group for the sake of
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: going with the group. I you know, I think I
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: even I had some charisma even when I was pretty young.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, yeah, I.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Think I was somewhat individualistic, even though I I.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: Didn't know what kind of morality that would entail.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: So I embraced altruism because I couldn't think of anything alternative.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I couldn't think of anything else. There was like no
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: other option. I didn't I didn't like altruism. I obviously
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: was bothered by altruism, but I couldn't think of anything alternative. Uh,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's hard for me to
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: describe myself actually, because I can't remember him much. But
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I was both alone in a sense that I spent
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of time alone. Oh, I read huge amounts,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Like I read all the time. I ever since I
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: was a little kid. I used to open up the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: encyclopedia and just random page and just read stuff. I
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: just love knowledge. And then I read a lot of
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: kind of novels, adventure stories. Loved adventure stories in Hebrew
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: and English. I I you know, I went through all Ludlam.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Do you guys know Ludlam A lot of like Spy,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: the Boone Identity, all those books Robert Ludlam. I read
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Alistair McClean. I loved Alan mcstink who McLean. I think
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: I've read everything he ever wrote. So, you know, I
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: just read huge quantities of books. My mom used to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: My mom used to complain that I read too much.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Go out and play with the other kids.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Why are you reading so much? But I also had
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: friends also played and I was and I like sports,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: so different periods of my life. I played soccer, paid
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: uh soccer, I swam competitively.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: You know, I did all kinds of stuff like that.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I was pretty normal. But you know, at some point
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: when I got these ideas, I would argue with people,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: and I was trying to figure out what it all meant.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: So I I think I spent a lot of time
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: just figuring out what I needed to know in order
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: to live this philosophy and was eager to get on
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: with life, to become an adult so I could actually
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: live it, right, I mean, when you when you're when
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: you're a kid, you can't actually even when you're a teenager,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: you you you're not your own person, so get out
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: of the house. It become your own person. And the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: challenge for me was I had three years in the army,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: where again you're not really your own person.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: So m hmm, that was tough.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: You're excited to have your own autonomy.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was excited to go university. You know that
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: excitement faded over time, But my first semester I got
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: the best grades I ever got. I was super excited,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: and every semester I got less motivated and less exciting.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I get bored easily, and so yeah, and had friends
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: at the university. I drifted away from my high school
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: friends over time, partially because of the philosophy, and then
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: once I discovered other objectivists, which was only when I
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: was nineteen I read sixteen and maybe nineteen twenty I
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: discovered other objectives. Only then, did you know, did that
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: become kind of a more of a center of my life?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Because now I had friends, we had study groups, we
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: did things together, we hung out together. We spent spent
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of time with my objectivest friends in my twenties,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: in my early twenties, a lot of time. We almost
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: every weekend we did something together, right, I mean almost
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: every week there was something going on, movies, concerts. Uh.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: And I stopped hiking.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Objectivism you know, ultimately led me to stop stop hiking.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: So too busy, there's too much to do.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 11: Fair, Yeah, I one of the one guy I want
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 11: to commiss at the thesis I talked to. He's like
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 11: some of them have like different reactions. Like one of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 11: them read Alice Shrugdan apparently when he was an undergrad
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 11: and he got up in front of the class and
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 11: started like reading called speech out loud, and you know it's.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's not gonna go. Well it's not gonna
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: go yeah.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he knows.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: That it's not a healthy relationship with the material. Yeah,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: that's not what you're supposed to do.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, it's just interesting to see.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: But yeah, thanks, thanks all right, Andrew, I think.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 10: You're an excellent example of masculinity for men, and I
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 10: think I hope that other men get you know, I've
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 10: certainly learned from you in that regard, and I hope
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 10: other men do as well. It's a big conversation in
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 10: the culture, you know, and.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 9: Of course it's political.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 10: Why do you think that there's this concept of men
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 10: that's like either be powered or a woofs or a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 10: brute And why do you think it's kind of like
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 10: breaking down along those lines?
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I think that Why why does it
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: break along those lines? I mean, I think it's.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: It's political.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Because the attributes of masculinity, the attributes that associated with masculinity, oh,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: action oriented, and they are assertive, and you know, altruism
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: and and and you know altruism and the left broadly
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: a very anti assertiveness. They're anti the individual asserting themselves.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: And historically, because historically we've dependent, at least to some
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: extent on muscle, you know, masculinity has been associated with
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: strength and and and bravely in battle and uh and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: and so on. And it's also been associated with kind
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: of women being you know, second class citizens, that is,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: women not being taken seriously, and and uh, the world
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: is being male centered and that masculinity drives men to
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: treat women badly. I guess is you know, that's the
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: whole patriarchy. And the left is taking up that cause,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: and feminism taken at that cause. And instead of rethinking
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: the concept, instead of thinking about how do we define
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: it or how to how to reconceptualize it given the
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: modern world and given given uh, the different changing roles
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: of women and men and the culture different the changing
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: and the culture and changing the kind of jobs, and
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: people are stuck in old definitions and they can't break
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: out of them. They're stuck in old way of looking
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: at things. And and I think the feminist movement viewed
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: providing women with full opportunities as going hand in hand
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: with restricting the opportunities that men had. That is, went
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: hand in hand with push pulling men down in order
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: to raise women up and involve pulling men down. There's
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: a zero some mentality there as well. And and uh
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: that that I think is part of it as well, but.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: It's it's tied up with the whole.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Conception of the The reason women were put down historically
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: was because a man and their masculinity. Their masculinity is
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: not needed anymore, because we don't need physical power anymore.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: It's now the brains. And in order for women to rise,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: we have to put men down. And that is a
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: cause that the that the left is taken up and
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: the response on the right is again not to rethink masculinity,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: not to rethink in a modern era what it entails,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: but to defend the old masculinity and and for some
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: of them to even become anti women. So so it's
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: it's because they can't think and they can't reconceptualize.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 10: It's interesting to watch, you know, people on both sides
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 10: struggle with the concept and like you really get the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 10: sense that there's there's a failure to identify individually yep.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 10: And it's just so collectivistic, you know, the conversation like
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 10: you in relation to other people, as you know, what
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 10: what is masculinity? It's you know, and I just think
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 10: the socialist politics that we're in makes you know, there
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 10: is a connection between individualism and masculinity, I think, and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 10: like capitalism and masculinity, I don't know, if that's a
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 10: stretch too far in your.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Vie, I think that's right. But I mean there's a
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: connection between that femininity as well. And but people again
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: associate femininity with sharing and caring, and therefore femininities associal socialism,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: and therefore it's okay, we want to make men more
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: feminine so that they can share in camere and therefore
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: become part of the collective, part of the socialist collective.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: So there's there's there's As long as you hold those
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: perceptions what masculinity femininity are, then and you see them
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: as in conflict, you know you're going to have you
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: going to be challenged. Yeah, thank you, thanks Andrew.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 12: Right, Steve, So, one of my observations is we deal
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 12: with in foreign policy, we deal with a number of
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 12: threats that aren't quite wars, but are somewhere not quite
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 12: peace either, Like they're somewhere on the spectrum.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: So you could look at something.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 12: Like the very like right now with Russia lying their
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 12: drones or planes into other countries airspaces, you have very
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 12: entangled relationships like when I guess Ukraine blew up the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 12: nord Stream, is it like an attackle on Russia or
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 12: is it a tackle on Germany? And then you you know, China,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 12: certainly in the South China Sea has like pushed the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 12: boundaries of what other countries are willing to do. Okay,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 12: how don't you think about, like where's the line?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 12: Like if China breaks in and steals our stuff, is
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 12: it like in our computer systems?
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Is that like is that aligned?
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 12: Does the line have to be physical when you have
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 12: like entangled entangled interests like nord Stream, Like where does
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 12: that line sit?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Like some of this stuff is like not obvious. It's
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: like how you should treat it.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's complicated, there's no question, but it's it
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: and it's but it's complicated. More so, it's made complicated
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: by you know, the mixed economy in a sense, by
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: the fact that we've refused to identified good guys bad guys.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: We refuse to label stuff good and bad. We we
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: we uh timid in protecting our own interests because that
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: would be selfish and that's not done. We bought into
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: fump bossy theories.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: That are completely bogus.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: There's just and of course, the more you give into stuff,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: for example, the more it happens. Right, So you know,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Russia flies drones and then nothing happens to flies their
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: planes and nothing happens. And it starts sabotazing trains in
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Poland and nothing happens. So you know, who knows what next?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe war because you've you've basically said you have no
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: self respect. So the world is a mess. And it's
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: a mess because it refuses to provide model clarity and
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: it refuses to stand up for what you rate. So
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: if the United States the first time the Chinese broke
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: into our computer systems and hacked our systems had basically said,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: this is a complete violation of our sovereignty, completely unacceptable.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: It is the equivalent of an act of war. We
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: are going to break into your computer systems and it
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: really cause you real harm right now. It's happening, by
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: the way, right now. And if you do this again,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: we were viewed as an active one. We'll have to
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: consider what our next steps. Don't do it. I think
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: everything would be different if we had after nine to eleven,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: declared who the enemy really was and dune well was necessary,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and replace the regime in Iran and
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: brought our troops home immediately afterwards, and not try to
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: bring democracy to the Middle East. I think Russia would
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: have second thoughts about Ukraine, and China would have second
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: thoughts about Taiwan. So I think that, but they look
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: at us and they see, Yeah, sometimes they react, sometimes
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: they don't. There's no principle here. We can get away
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: with a lot. Let's just get away with it. Then yeah,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: it's gonna it's it's just gonna become worse because because
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: America doesn't, there's no principle and there's no there's no
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: clear indication. I mean right now, for example, right now,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we're kind of threatening Venezuela. We just
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: shut down airspace above it's Venezuela, I think for some airlines,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: but not others. But Trump had a phone call was Maduro,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: where I guess they negotiated Medua's surrender. Maybe not, who knows.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe Madua offered oil reserves or steak for the Trump family,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, who knows what's going on? Right and
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: then and then we've got an in craft carrier there
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: or we're going to Wha. We're not going to Whoa.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, Madua and Trump are talking about meeting one another.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: You know what would that look like, what does that mean?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: So complete ambiguity about the mall stance we have in
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: oppositioning vis a VI this horrific regime and what we're
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: willing to tolerate and what we're not willing to tolerate
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: and drugs or what is really the issue. Yeah, it's
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: a complete mess, but it doesn't have to be. What
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: you have to do is draw lines in the same
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: and and and insists on if they crossed, do something
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: about it, and I think it goes away. Now. Nuclear
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: weapons make it more complicated, but the reality is nobody
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: wants to use nuclear weapons, So just just make sure
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: that you respond before you know it gets that bad.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 12: What's a realistic like step in that direction, because it
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 12: seems like it seems like over my entire lifetime, I
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 12: don't really remember Ronald Reagan, I'm not old enough too,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 12: but it seems like that was the last time that
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 12: anyone had any sort of a smidgeon of clarity about
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 12: u good guys and bad guys might be. And you
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 12: can argue that even then they didn't. Then we had
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 12: it with respect to like some people and not others.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean two hundred and forty four means were
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: killed didn't be Ruts and Reagan did nothing right in
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Reagan you know, so he had it with God Sovic
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Union to some extent, but nothing else right.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 12: So but like since then, it's like no one has
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 12: any moral clarity about absolutely.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: But that's just since World War Two? Why did we
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: go to Vietnam? Does anybody know? Anybody understand? There's nothing,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: It's kind of there was this vague notion that Soviet
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Union is bad, Communism is bad, but that's it. There
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: was no strategy, There's no there was no actual, real,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: coherent strategy about how to defend American interest in what
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: that entailed and where would should and how one should
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: use American power in order to achieve that. What's realistic? God,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think anything's realistic, right, I mean, I don't
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: see anybody. I mean, Nikki Hayley's better than Trump. She
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: would have at least drawn align with Russia and and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: and maybe drawn aligne with China. I'm not sure, but
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: she certainly would be No, Russia is the bad guys,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: you know, on Ukraine to the Hilts and and and
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  Speaker 1: let's you know, go from there. At least she would
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  Speaker 1: have done that. She would have been pretty good. She
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  Speaker 1: would have been good with Israel. I mean, she was
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  Speaker 1: good on phone policy. She was about the best, but
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: bit consistent across the bo Probably not, but as good
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  Speaker 1: as he gets, it's probably Nikki Heley.
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  Speaker 12: Last thing, I'll say, it's interesting you mentioned World War two,
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  Speaker 12: Like the more I've studied it, like the more the
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  Speaker 12: more you see these same things like cropping up even
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 12: there because we were like we were actually in a
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  Speaker 12: shooting war with Germany, like well before war was declared,
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  Speaker 12: if you asked the guys who were out protecting convoys, right,
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  Speaker 12: but no, like FDR didn't think that people would go along.
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  Speaker 1: With Yeah, I mean American people did not want to
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  Speaker 1: get to the rule exactly. So he didn't enter the war,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: and he he didn't want to make the mistake there was,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: in a sense viewed as a mistake. During World War
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: One were similar thing where German submarines was sinking American
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: ships and that was a cause for war, and then
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  Speaker 1: we went to the stupid war and got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Americans killed for nothing. He didn't want to make
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: an American people just weren't having any of it, so
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: he could he felt like he couldn't declare war, even
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: though he wanted to in Germany a consequence. But yet
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: more than that, we were cutting deals. You know, we
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: cut the old Stalin and then we gave him Eastern
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Europe kind of as a gift. We didn't have to,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: there was no reason to do it, but we gave
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: him mister Europe as a gift and slaved tens of
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: millions of people for forty years. So yeah, I mean
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: the compromises were there as well. It's just it, but
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: you have to give FDR credit. Once we were in
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: a war, it was unconditional surrender, victory and unconditional surrender
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: with the standards, and we were willing to do whatever
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: was necessary and the enemy was evil and we were
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: going to crush them. And we haven't had that since, so,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: you know, some respect they deserve some respect for for
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: for that, for the unconditional surrender and being willing to
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: do anything like dropping the atomic bombs. I mean, that's huge.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: The mall courage that that takes right is huge, and
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: they should get.
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  Speaker 4: Credit for that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was Truman, wasn't it.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's already Truman, the bombs of Truman. But if
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: YO would have done the same thing. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: no question. I mean and and and before that that,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: you know, they.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: Fire bombed Tokyo, they fire bombed.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Every city in Japan. They killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Yeah,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: it was part of war and they didn't flinch.
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  Speaker 3: I still I still think is posing up with Stolin
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  Speaker 3: was evil?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, no question, no question.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: But but you know, as compared to today's politicians, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I just we cozy up to all the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: dictators today, all of them putent Tashi to to NBS
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: to to every single dictator in the world will cozy with.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, if you just look at how len Ley's
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 12: was negotiated, like we make the British that come over
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 12: here and prove that they literally have no like we've
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 12: taken all of their gold and all of their stuff. Yeah,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 12: and we're like no, no, you're going to get loans.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 12: And Russia were just like hey, yeah, I kind of
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 12: like have whatever you want, Like what do you need?
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  Speaker 4: Just us the same problems, same problems back then.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Philosophically, it hasn't, you know, the fundamentals are the same.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: It's just it was just it was just better then
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: because it was earlier and for whatever reason, the war
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: was clear in their minds than it is today.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know why, because like.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Nineteen eleven, it was worse than anything the Germans if
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: it did to America. But it's amorphus because it's not
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: a particular country and it's terrorism. Oh yeah, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 3: You're on You wouldn't You wouldn't say that. It's more
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: that I mean, there was more of a sense of
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: the value of the West and its values, definitely, however
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: badly it was understood.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Definitely, it was much.
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  Speaker 3: More of that they were better than the values, much more.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Of us an American sense of life, and we can
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  Speaker 1: do anything, and we can beat anybody, and we are
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: the good guys. There was a sense that we are
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: the good guys. And that doesn't exist. I can't say
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: that anymore, absolutely, all right, rich, it says, looking forward
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: to the upcoming major topics, polease confirm the topic about
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: the West?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 13: Is it?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: What is the West?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the topic is yet.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: It's something to do with the West and something to
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: do with being anti Christianity, and so there'll be a
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: bunch of topics around that. Maybe it is what is
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: the West? I'm still figuring out what it is that
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking about. So yeah, to be determined,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: all right, Michael. Politicians make a lot of public statements
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: against AI and automation, but they let it happen. Do
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: they know we need innovation to survive or the tech
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: sector effectively lobbies them to be left alone? Well, I mean,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: it's Bothy. It's not that they know we need tech
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: to survive. It's that they know we need tech to
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: grow the economy. They also fear that if we don't
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: develop AI, China will, and they viewed it in competitive terms.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: We can't let China develop it if we don't have it.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: So but also with Trump, certainly the tech lobby has
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: been very good, very effective at lobby for it.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: So it's a combination of all of the above.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: But they don't have a sense of survival in a
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: sense that you grow or you lose.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: They know that if the economy doesn't do well, they'll
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: be voted out.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: That's the level at which they think about these things.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Michael says, when are you interviewing Jason Ryans in December?
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not. He has not yet responded to the query
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: about the interview. When he does we will schedule a time.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: So can't force people. I mean, I know he wants
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: to do it, but he has to actually write an email.
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  Speaker 11: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: On, how is it that there's so many Russian composers.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Didn't Russia always have a horrible sense of life? I
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: really don't know. I mean, I don't know that they
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: had great composers and great novelists. That's the two things.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Those the two areas of art that Russia excelled in.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: They had a lot of good will. They had good
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: romantic composers, which is surprising given their bad sense of
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: life and the horrors of Russia. So I don't really
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: have an explanation other than a certain class within Russia,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: very relatively small, was very much exposed to the West
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: and Western values and Western ideas and and uh and
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: was influenced by them.
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  Speaker 4: And from them came the.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Novelists, and came the great, the great composers. It's also true.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and and you know, I don't know enough about
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Russian history if they value this. It's also true the
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Catherine the Great, Catherine the Great, it was Impress of
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: Impress of Russia in the late when was she Impress
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: of Russia in the late eighteenth century, so during the Enlightenment,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: was a huge fan of the Enlightenment, and she was
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: indeed a sponsor of many Enlightenment figures. She would send
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: checks to a lot of the French Enlightenment figures, and
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: she was the main sponsor of Di Dreux. And did
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: you actually met with her in Russia, taught her about
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: political philosophy and try to convince her to convert Russia
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: into a republican She resisted, but so she brought Enlightenment
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: ideas into Russia to some extent. Her grandson Peter the Great,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: was that her grandson. I think Peter the Great was
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: the grandson. No, not grandson's grandfather. Well she anyway, two
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: kings before, two emperors before I think was Peter the Great.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: He had already started ringing Western ideas into Russia. So
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: the late eighteenth century, oh, the eighteenth century as a whole,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of Western ideas came into Russia, and a
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: lot of Enlightenment ideas came into Russia because of Catherine
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: the Great. Enlightenment figures a lot of their works were
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: translated into Russia. So there was a real intellectual influence
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: of the Enlightenment on Russian society, which I think is
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: the origins of the music and the and the and
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: the novelists. They had a real positive influence on elements
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: within Russian society. And at the same time Russians were
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: very many Russians were very religious, so there was this
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: back and forth. But yeah, again for some Russians, it
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't a shipthle. They lived aristocratic, wealthy lives and exposed
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: to the best that you wepe had to offer, and
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: they very much knew that, so they they you know,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: these ideas were brought into Russia by Catherine the Great.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one thing I know that she did good,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: but I don't know that much about Russian history.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Atherine promoted the smallpox vaccine.
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  Speaker 4: Who did Catherine?
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she was good other than she insisted
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: in being an.
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  Speaker 4: Authoritarian, but she was definitely pro Enlightenment. I think she
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: sponsored Voltaire.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: She suddenly did Row. She was the sponsor of the Encyclopedia.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: So at some point the Encyclopedia, which did Row and
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Delan Barrett and others were struggling with fighting financing. She
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: helped finance it. So she was very generous with Enlightenment figures.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: And brought that Enlightenment into Russia, even though she knew
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: ultimately that the Enlightenment would undermine her own I mean
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: the authoritarianism.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: Sadly, her air.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Was antain light band and Russia went through this back
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: and forth for a while in the nineteenth century. Let's see, Neo,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: where did Ann cole to get her thirty million illegal
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: immigrant number from? And how do we know what you're wrong?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I investigated that at the time,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: and I knew where she got it from, but I
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: can't remember now. It was an extrapolation that made no sense.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: So I actually have a show where I analyzed it
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: and told you where where I think the number comes from,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: where the right number comes from.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't remember. I can't remember anything I've ever done.
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  Speaker 1: But the thirty million dollars I know I looked into
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: it didn't make any sense. It was a complete made
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: up number. I mean it was it was just an
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: eological extrapolation from an existing number. And I debunked that one.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: But I just don't remember the details. And we know
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: the numbers from a variety of different surveys and.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: That are done out there, and.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: We have an estimate of how many people across the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: border and how many people are caught and how many
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: people are not caught, and there's a pretty good consensus
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: around what the number is and our culture's numbers. Just
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: was I don't know what her number is today. Her
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: numbers today is probably fifty million, because says fifty yeah,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sure answers fifty So you know, I
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. But the thirty million at the time when
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: she said it, this is before the big surge under Biden,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: was completely bas Daniel, What is your list of can't
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: misses or top sites destinations in New York City? Wow?
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean just walking around the city is fun.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: I guess the Metropolitan Museum of Art is definitely. Go
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: to see the Goggenheim, just to see the building and
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: peek inside. A lot of the odd exhibits inside are
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: pretty awful, but it's it's one of uh, Frank lad
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: rights great architectural achievements. What else in New York City? Uh?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: In terms of site Take the ferry around Manhattan.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: Uh, there's a there's a boat tour you can take.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: Just take it around Manhattan. It's beautiful both.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: During the day and at night.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: Uh, the public Library is nice.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: The Public Library is beautiful. Times Square is impressive, although
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: once you've be into Shanghai, Times Square looks looks small
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: time in comparison.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: Walk to Brooklyn Bridge.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never done that.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: That would be fun, though, you.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: Got you gotta try it. Maybe not in the winter.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I do it now.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, Broadway, start on.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: The Brooklyn You start on the Brooklyn side and come into.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Medd Okay, okay, wow, Yeah that sounds actually really cool.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: I have to do sometime. Yeah.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 12: Another thing to walk is the high Line, which I
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 12: guess is like the there's an old elevated.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Track which now runs.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 12: Up out of Manhattan, which is super cool to walk,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 12: or it's out of Low Manhattan, which is super cool.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really pretty. The high Line is really pretty.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: I did that a few years ago. Hudson Yards.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: The cable car to Roosevelt Island is nice.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: That's right, that cable called the Questions.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the beautiful views there. And then I would
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: go and see the nine to eleven Memorial and go
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: up the the forget what the building's called, to the
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: top of the building. I mean the views, they're amazing.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: Of course there's there's the Statue of Liberty. Go out
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: and see the Statue of Liberty, go up the Empire
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: State Building, you know. And New York has great restaurants,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: great jazz clubs, great opera, great concerts, both at Lincoln
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Center and at what do you call it, god Conegie Hall?
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: Conegie Hall is amazing. So yeah, all of that and more.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 12: Also some of the architecture from like the early twentieth century,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 12: so like Rockefeller Center, and.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's really.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 12: Interesting to see how much more attention was paid into
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 12: like the aesthetic detail of like how do we decorate
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 12: something one hundred years ago?
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Yep? Yeah, the odd Deco, all the odd Deco buildings
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: that you know, Rockefeller Centers an example of even you know,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: the engravings, the beautiful buildings. The Krysler Building, I mean,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: you can't go in it, so I don't think. I
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: think it's closed, but you can see it from the outside.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: And then just the skyscraper is pretty amazing.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can go.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's under innovation, it's it's it's kind of the
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: building's bankrupt and there's some conflict about the who owns
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: the building. The land is owned by one party of
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: the building. There's some issue there and which hasn't been resolved.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: But maybe you can go into the lobby. I'm not sure.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: I just know the building itself is under vision. And
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: Christmas time, by the way, Manhattan is just beautiful. The decorations,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: the big the big department stores, uh, you know, really
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: go out all out to decorate their windows.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: There's lights everywhere.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: There's a Christmas Tree and Rockefeller Center. So Christmas, if
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: you can tolerate the cold, Christmas is the most beautiful
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: time to visit, uh, to visit Manhattan.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 12: Also, just a reminder for everyone that there can be
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 12: such things as a private park. Bryant Park is private
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 12: and super nice.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah and uh and even uh even what do you
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: call it? Central Park is owned by a nonprofit. It's
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: not state owned, so and it was founded by private individuals.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: It was created by private individuals, the wealthy New Yorkers
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: who wanted a beautiful park. And Central Park is beautiful.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely worth a stroll or a buggy
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: ride or something through Central Park, all right. J. J.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Griggory's what brings hospitals as an institution into existence is
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: a cultural concern for the second week, which is simply
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: not there in enough masks before Muslims came after Christians. Yeah,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: but I don't think there were Christian hospitals, you know
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: where they know hospitals in pagan society. I just don't.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, i'd have to research that, but I don't
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: think that's right. And I don't know when the first
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Christian hospital was built. When was the first Christian hospital built?
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 12: If we put in google first hospital, I think the
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 12: entire framing is wrong. So you think about like the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 12: Roman army, it invests tremendously, like in the health of
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 12: its soldiers, like Rome, like invented, like so many things
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 12: about surgery and things like that. Were that as good
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 12: as we have today? No, but they weren't like making
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 12: real progress.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it. So there was first hospital was
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: built in ancient Greece and the city of Costs located
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: on the island of Costs in the ag and c.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: The hospital was built in the first century BCE by
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: the physician Hippocratus right hypocritic oath you get from Hippocratus
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  Speaker 1: was considered the father of modern medicine. So it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: surprise me that there were hospitals in ancient Greece, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there were hospitals that you know, in early Christianity. You know,
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  Speaker 1: some some claim that hospitals were born in early Christianity,
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  Speaker 1: but I just I don't think that's true. I think
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  Speaker 1: the Greeks had hospitals.
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  Speaker 4: They certainly they had.
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  Speaker 1: Doctors who needed to treat patients, and they created stuff
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  Speaker 1: now maybe didn't look like a modern hospital, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's a and as you say, Romans must have had
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  Speaker 1: some facilities to treat their soldiers. So I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: why there's an attribution of the first hospitals to Christianity.
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  Speaker 4: Right, have to research it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, Richard, continue my support for
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  Speaker 1: the new topics. I'm looking forward to your talks on
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  Speaker 1: the search for meaning. Thank you, Richard, appreciated. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's do maybe a quick round, so make sure your
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  Speaker 1: questions are short, and I will try to make short answers,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll go.
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  Speaker 4: One round with our panel and we'll call it a day,
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  Speaker 4: all right, Jennifer.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm done for today, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Thanks Jennifer Adam.
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  Speaker 7: Are you familiar with the novels of Jonathan Kellerman, No.
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  Speaker 1: Kellerman. How do you spell that.
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  Speaker 13: K E L L E R M A n AM.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, No, they're good.
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  Speaker 3: His are good.
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  Speaker 7: His son Jesse started out awful.
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  Speaker 3: That has improved over time.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but.
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  Speaker 7: Again, I have a PhD in psychology, so maybe that's
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  Speaker 7: why I'm enjoying it because he's also a psychologist.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know how people who are not familiar with
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  Speaker 7: psychology would like or dislike his novels.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good, thanks Adam, thanks for the recommendation. Let's see Amlin.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, A quick question them, is nine to eleven service
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  Speaker 15: a legitimate function of government? Given that really it's only
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  Speaker 15: police that should be the legitimate function within the nine eleven.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, I mean, but I I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that you wouldn't have some centralized place that
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  Speaker 1: that that uh distributed the calls to the appropriate place.
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  Speaker 1: So whether that would be run privately or by the government,
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  Speaker 1: you could imagine it being run by a private entity
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  Speaker 1: and then allocating it to the relevant thing. The other
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: thing is that police is often when the police are needed,
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  Speaker 1: you often also need an ambulance, so you often also
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  Speaker 1: need a a fire you know, the fire services. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I think I think it
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  Speaker 1: might be optional, given that it could go in either
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  Speaker 1: in either direction. But but in and of itself, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's it doesn't doesn't have to be government.
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  Speaker 3: The means to contact the police should be provided.
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  Speaker 1: It's all private, yes, yeah, the phone. Why is it's
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  Speaker 1: a question of do you go directly to the police
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  Speaker 1: or do you go to a centralized and maybe the
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  Speaker 1: police out you know, maybe the police contract with this entity,
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  Speaker 1: the nine one one entity that then distributes the calls
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  Speaker 1: to the relevant Okay, please thanks, sure, Andrew.
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  Speaker 10: I'd love to see you do more interacting with Ram's essays,
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  Speaker 10: Like on the show, do you feel that I know
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  Speaker 10: you've expressed the point, like you feel like you need
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  Speaker 10: to do prep for that, but like I mean, you
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 10: already do prep for the show, I'm sure, but like
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  Speaker 10: maybe extra prep is that what holds you back from
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  Speaker 10: from doing that?
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm not sure what the level
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  Speaker 1: of interest is that is by I'm sure a level
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  Speaker 1: of interest by some of you is high, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how high. I always plan to do it
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  Speaker 1: and never actually do it, like a bunch of things.
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  Speaker 1: But uh so, it's a good point I'll think about it.
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  Speaker 9: I always thought your show on egalitarian and inflation when
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  Speaker 9: you went through that essay was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the problem is you have to
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  Speaker 1: get the audience to read it. It's a good members
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  Speaker 1: only type pop These are good members only type topics.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I'll do that SOT all right, cool, Thank you, sure, Steve.
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  Speaker 2: Last question, I'll just tell you, I think the best
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  Speaker 2: show that you have done one that learned the most from.
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  Speaker 12: Anyhow, So, when you had that lawyer on who was
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  Speaker 12: breaking down that's the guy's name. He was talking a
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  Speaker 12: lot about like the strong the government's like legal strategy
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  Speaker 12: and relation to immigration.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was like a really I learned a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Levy salesman.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I learned a tremendous amount from that interview. I
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  Speaker 2: love it when you have people on that like, teach
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  Speaker 2: me good something good.
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  Speaker 4: We'll try to find them, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel has a question, what's your take on Chinese buying
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  Speaker 1: farmland next to military basis which he excites. It strikes
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  Speaker 1: me as plausible the Chinese government is preparing for war
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  Speaker 1: or baps of.
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  Speaker 4: Pal Hubbor like down the road.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they're preparing for war, But I
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  Speaker 1: doubt that the I doubt that they're preparing for anything
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  Speaker 1: concrete that they expect anything to happen concretely. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Chinese government should be allowed to
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  Speaker 1: buy anything in the United States, and I think I
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  Speaker 1: lean towards not allowing governments, any government to buy anything
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  Speaker 1: in the US. That is, that's true of the Cartail
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  Speaker 1: government and any goverment. Government answers you should not be
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  Speaker 1: buying US assets. In terms of Chinese citizens buying stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it depends have we defined China as an
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  Speaker 1: enemy or not defined China as an enemy. I think
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  Speaker 1: this goes back to kind of discussion earlier about do
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  Speaker 1: we have a strategy or don't we have a strategy?
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  Speaker 1: What's the strategy? How do we deal with the Chinese
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  Speaker 1: more broadly? Only then I think can you make the call.
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  Speaker 1: But there's no question China is doing what it can
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  Speaker 1: to get a foothold into the United States. Whether it's
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  Speaker 1: doing it by buying farmland, or whether that's just innocent
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  Speaker 1: investment by some Chinese trying to diversify themselves and trying
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  Speaker 1: to get exposure to the United States economy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know you'd have to have intelligence about it,
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  Speaker 1: you'd have to actually research it. But certainly, if it's
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  Speaker 1: a Chinese govern entity, you shouldn't allow them to buy
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  Speaker 1: anything in the US.
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  Speaker 9: But then you.
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  Speaker 1: Shouldn't allow them the United States government to buy anything
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  Speaker 1: in the United States either, not the Chinese government, but
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  Speaker 1: even the United States government should not own anything. All right, guys,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, As I said that WR show tomorrow, I'll
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  Speaker 1: see tomorrow in the rest of next week. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: to the panel for your support of your one book
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  Speaker 1: show and for asking the questions. Thank you to the
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  Speaker 1: super chatters, and I will see you all tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Hie, everybody, Bye ro bye.