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Hour Two | Dr. Etheredge Joins, Saban Speculation & Coaching Philosophy · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: All Star to Yoda presents Off the Bench with Jacob
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  Speaker 1: Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go where.
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  Speaker 1: The plays get broken down and science gets denied to.
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  Speaker 2: Come off the bench.
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  Speaker 1: Our two of Off the Bench Live from the Raisin
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  Speaker 1: Caines Studio.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back, and I went over to OTV
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  Speaker 3: here live from the Raising Kane Studio. U.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good question in the chat, Jake, how
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  Speaker 4: was the coaching interviews in meetings this morning? You don't
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  Speaker 4: fool me. I know where you were. You were at
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  Speaker 4: football Ops. It went well, it went good. We're just kidding.
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  Speaker 4: That would make too much sense. I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: do that. Uh, that lo'king weird now.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Stephen Etheridge here with us as he is every
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  Speaker 3: single Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, Doc? How are we doing doing well?
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  Speaker 5: How y'all doing?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? Doing good? Doing good?
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  Speaker 3: Much better than Matt as you know that old man
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  Speaker 3: over there.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I made that back. He out of me.
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  Speaker 3: Doc got his own he's got his own special chair.
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  Speaker 2: He's sitting on him. He's sitting on a blanket.
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  Speaker 4: Tick blanket. Though he's formed nicely. Gives me a little
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  Speaker 4: pressure relief on the lower lumbar.
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  Speaker 5: All we can do.
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  Speaker 4: That's all we can do, Doc, and take you know, pills.
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  Speaker 3: Not much worse, doesn't I just I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: it does get worse.
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  Speaker 2: Then when you have back.
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  Speaker 5: Problems, that's rough back at the you know, you hear
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  Speaker 5: about it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a reason, Yeah, Doc, why do I have
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  Speaker 2: shooting pains into my legs?
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  Speaker 5: It's the nerves, got Doc?
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  Speaker 3: When my hamstrings are throbbing because my back hurts, what
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  Speaker 3: does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Mine was I don't know, growing hamstrings about a.
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  Speaker 3: Year maybe maybe longer than a year ago, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: year and a half ago. I was in the same
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  Speaker 3: spot and I had to go see Doc as well,
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  Speaker 3: and it was my groin, My growing was tip. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute's on the other side. What's going on here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: The back's a mystery. It's always a it's a it's
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  Speaker 6: always in play there.
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  Speaker 3: Why would any why would anybody want that to be
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  Speaker 3: their specialty?
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  Speaker 6: Though, Oh gosh, I give a lot of credit to
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  Speaker 6: our guys upstairs. We got the spine guys, and they
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't do what they.
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  Speaker 3: Did because I don't I don't know how this stuff connects,
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  Speaker 3: but it shouldn't be connected.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, but it does.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's a mystery. Like I said, it's it's always
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  Speaker 6: in play. The back is always always part of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so, uh, how was your trip to UH to
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  Speaker 3: Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
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  Speaker 5: Trip? Trip was good?
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  Speaker 2: Was good.
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  Speaker 5: The game, you know, we all saw it, so a
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  Speaker 5: lot of fight out there.
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  Speaker 2: Though.
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  Speaker 5: I was proud of the guys. They they gave their effort.
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  Speaker 2: It was still like to win. Yeah, the effort was
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  Speaker 2: good to see though. It was Yeah, it was it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was a good vibe and.
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  Speaker 2: It just you got to execute. That's it. Yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get there healthy. We come out pretty pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: Not too bad.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we had a few little Nixon bobo's, nothing
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  Speaker 6: too crazy this week, So I think, you know, in
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  Speaker 6: a game like that, that's that's a win.
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  Speaker 5: So we'll take that victory.
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  Speaker 3: Uh you mentioned I know you said Travis Hunter is
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  Speaker 3: out for the year.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that.
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  Speaker 4: For LCL. Uh yeah, kind of explained the l c L.
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  Speaker 4: And I know we've all heard of like the big meniscus,
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  Speaker 4: a C, L M c L, all that stuff, but
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  Speaker 4: LCL is kind of one you don't really hear a
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  Speaker 4: lot about. But he's out designated out for the season.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a little bit of a weirder injury,
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  Speaker 5: for sure. You do see it.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously. We have a great example we're talking about right now.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the the initial reports with the Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 6: or that he had a non contact knee injury, and
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  Speaker 6: that's always one that makes us cringe. Yeah, guy leaves
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  Speaker 6: the field for a non contact knee. I mean, the
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  Speaker 6: first thing we typically think is it's an a c L,
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  Speaker 6: and that's just where our brains go. And in this scenario,
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  Speaker 6: it was a ligament injury. The lcls the lateral collateral ligament.
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  Speaker 6: It's the ligament on the outside of the knee, so
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  Speaker 6: it kind of runs kind of along that outside joint line,
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  Speaker 6: keeps the knee from going right, it's the lower leg
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  Speaker 6: from going in and it's an unusual isolated injury. Usually
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  Speaker 6: if you have an LCL injury, you're gonna see that
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  Speaker 6: as part of a bigger knee injury where you've had
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  Speaker 6: a multi ligament injury or meniscus and lots of other things.
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  Speaker 6: In his case, all the reports are just an l CL.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's a still a surgical repair though, so he's
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  Speaker 6: still he's still gonna be out, he'll miss the rest
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  Speaker 6: of the year. It's you know, about a six six
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  Speaker 6: months or so before he's football already. You know, there's
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  Speaker 6: some variability there, so it's not as long as an ACL,
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  Speaker 6: but it's typically gonna be a season injury. Do you
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  Speaker 6: ever see lcls with non contact? You know, I actually
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  Speaker 6: have not. That's not one I've seen personally. It is
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  Speaker 6: obviously again we see him, but that's a pretty rare injury,
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  Speaker 6: so it's kind of kind of unique to see that
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  Speaker 6: when isolated. You wonder if maybe he'd had a previous
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  Speaker 6: injury where maybe it was already a little bit loose
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  Speaker 6: or something. But but yeah, it's not one that I've
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  Speaker 6: I can recall, at least ever seeing isolated. I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: there may than one that I'm forgetting, but it's not
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  Speaker 6: not very common, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you think so we see the non contact
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  Speaker 4: all the time, and usually the movement that an athlete
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  Speaker 4: makes when they hurt their knee is really innocent. Why
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't look like anything?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Why, like your opinion, it gets a cut that a
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  Speaker 4: running back or receiver a dB makes tens and thousands
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  Speaker 4: of times in practice games.
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  Speaker 2: They've done it for their entire life, and they just
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  Speaker 2: keep doing it. Why is it that one time?
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  Speaker 4: Like every I'm assuming it's got to be a perfect
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  Speaker 4: storm of so many different things coming together at the
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  Speaker 4: same time in a bad way, of course, why is
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  Speaker 4: it that one time? And you're opaying like, what has
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  Speaker 4: to happen? Is the ligament like flip over? Does it?
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  Speaker 4: Like what is going on inside the body to make
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  Speaker 4: it happen? Well, I think you kind of hit the
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  Speaker 4: nail on the head. That is a perfect storm, and
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  Speaker 4: so I think to look for any one specific might
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  Speaker 4: be kind of hard. There's there's obviously going to be
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  Speaker 4: certain scenarios, you know, maybe you're playing on a surface
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  Speaker 4: that isn't as good, maybe the cleats or something are
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  Speaker 4: going to be different. You can always look for certain
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  Speaker 4: things that might point to that, maybe in the scenario
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  Speaker 4: where the athletes really fatigued, maybe situations where maybe their
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  Speaker 4: response times a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: There's actually a really an interesting sellon years ago where
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  Speaker 6: they looked at guys that came back too soon after
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  Speaker 6: concussions and their appropriate reception and spatial awareness was diminished,
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  Speaker 6: so lower extremity injuries were actually higher. So there's a
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  Speaker 6: lot of variables, but I think more often than not,
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  Speaker 6: it's just bad luck, you know, And that's never things
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  Speaker 6: that from a medical explanation. People want to hear that
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  Speaker 6: just because explanation, But I think at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the day, you know, bad things are going to happen.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we've seen the injury, we've seen you know,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you think about the Mason Smith had just
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  Speaker 6: a you saw it. He jumped after you know, and
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  Speaker 6: the game gets Florida State in the dome and he
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  Speaker 6: jumps in his lands a little funny and you could see it.
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  Speaker 6: And I remember watching that replay on the screen as
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  Speaker 6: I'm running out there and you can see that knee
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  Speaker 6: buckle and just my heart just plummeted in that moment.
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  Speaker 5: And it's just a fluky thing.
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  Speaker 2: They happened. I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: Achilles tears ruptures, like are the ones that happened like
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  Speaker 3: that more than any It was like recently apparently for
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  Speaker 3: the Cardinals, it was like kind of just like backing up,
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  Speaker 3: like getting out of the way of something, and then
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  Speaker 3: he just steps and you can just see it.
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  Speaker 2: Just Yeah, that's just like that.
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  Speaker 6: That's a lot of them you know, with the Achilles,
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  Speaker 6: you'll have the ones. You know, we've seen the Aaron
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  Speaker 6: Rodgers one from a couple of years ago. Uh, and
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  Speaker 6: that one made sense. You watched the play he's on
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  Speaker 6: the turf, his foot kind of got one, and that
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  Speaker 6: one made sense. But but you're right, most of them
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  Speaker 6: are these kind of weird you know. You know, I
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  Speaker 6: think about that one. I remember the one with Kevin
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  Speaker 6: Durant just kind of running down the field. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: anytime I have somebody come in and they said, I
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  Speaker 6: thought somebody kicked me or shot me in the back
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  Speaker 6: of the leg, that's always like dang.
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  Speaker 5: It's especially if they kind of.
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  Speaker 6: Right behind the ankle, because you know, more oft than
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  Speaker 6: not what you'll see if you watch the guy will
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  Speaker 6: look behind him because they think somebody literally kicked him.
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  Speaker 6: That's the description I get, And that was what Durant said,
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  Speaker 6: as I thought somebody kicked me, But then you turn around,
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  Speaker 6: nobody's there. Yeah, and that's you know, but yeah, they're
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  Speaker 6: they're kind of flukey too. Again, that just because.
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  Speaker 4: We've kind of talked about Achilles too, like we are
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  Speaker 4: when back when we were playing, but forever in sports,
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  Speaker 4: like watching sports and Achilles ten it was a rare injury. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Like it didn't happen very often, and when you did,
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  Speaker 4: you're like, oh my god, wow. But like it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: standard procedure. Why is it have you seen Is it
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  Speaker 4: just our kind of like vision of it because it's
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  Speaker 4: more hyper aware of it now because it's more of
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  Speaker 4: the public media or whatever. But have you seen more
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  Speaker 4: Achilles injuries in the last couple of years than previous?
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  Speaker 6: I definitely feel like I have. You know, I don't
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  Speaker 6: know for sure if that's accurate. You know, sometimes we
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  Speaker 6: got kind of get caught up in the moment, but
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  Speaker 6: it definitely feels like it.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 6: And in addition to my work with football, I work
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  Speaker 6: with gymnastics.
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  Speaker 5: We see a lot of them gymnastics. Yeah, so so
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  Speaker 5: I feel like I see a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: It's interesting, you know that there's a lot of theories
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  Speaker 6: for why we've talked about surfaces and things like that
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  Speaker 6: with football. You know, I sometimes wonder if exposures, you know,
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  Speaker 6: that the sports becoming more year round and we're starting
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  Speaker 6: to see that transcend or there's more exposure.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of possible reasons, you know, and.
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  Speaker 2: Covid chat absolutely answer that what people are asking. You know, Doc,
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  Speaker 2: we're sorry about out there. Hey, we're sorry about him.
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  Speaker 5: Unaware of any direct correlation, but so there needs.
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  Speaker 2: To be some stuff he's done on then Achilles Chat.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Bruce Braid's Jackson Dart, he's somebody that's already
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  Speaker 3: had a couple of concussions early in his career. I
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  Speaker 3: love his style of play. I love the way that
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  Speaker 3: he goes about his business. But I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: long you can do that at the quarterback position. I
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  Speaker 3: get that, like when you're looking for that, like when
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  Speaker 3: you have somebody that's kind of going through obviously concussion protocol,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not his first time. You know, the position
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  Speaker 3: he plays, Like what like, maybe what process do you
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  Speaker 3: go through if a guy's had multiple concussions. Knowing he
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  Speaker 3: plays a position that's going to be pretty physical.
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  Speaker 6: It makes it more difficult for sure. You know the
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  Speaker 6: things that I look at with concussion. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 6: one of the questions we always ask how many is
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  Speaker 6: too many concussions?
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  Speaker 5: Is their number and really there's not.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously the bigger that number gets, the more we're concerned
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  Speaker 6: we become. But the things I worry about is the
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  Speaker 6: proximity if you have a lot of concussions in a
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  Speaker 6: short time frame, the ease with which you got them.
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  Speaker 6: So if somebody you watch the play, you're like, man,
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  Speaker 6: that was not a big hit, that should not have
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  Speaker 6: caused a concussion. At least wouldn't have thought that. The
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  Speaker 6: house of your the symptoms, how long the symptoms, because
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  Speaker 6: sometimes you just bad luck happens. You might have that
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  Speaker 6: guy gets two in a year but may never get another,
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  Speaker 6: you know, documented concussion in his career. Yeah, but you
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  Speaker 6: do have to take any consideration. This guy has had
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  Speaker 6: a couple in a short timeframe. He plays a higher
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  Speaker 6: risk position, his style of play. Yeah, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 6: with you. I love I love seeing your quarterbacks and
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  Speaker 6: they get the grit and they're going after it, or
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  Speaker 6: really anybody you love.
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  Speaker 5: You love seeing that in an athlete.
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  Speaker 6: But then there's the other side of it, that's the
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  Speaker 6: safety of medical And I think you at least got
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  Speaker 6: to talk to that guy and say, look, man, we
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  Speaker 6: need to slide.
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  Speaker 5: You know you have that conversis, so.
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  Speaker 3: You better make sure you have the first down before
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  Speaker 3: you slide, because God forbid, your hips start to go
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  Speaker 3: towards the ground and then they don't use common sense
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  Speaker 3: and say it's not a first down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 4: And Doc was very sure to say diagnosed concussion there too,
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  Speaker 4: because I'm sure people are playing as close as we
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  Speaker 4: as people keep an eye on him. There are people
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  Speaker 4: that play pay through that play through some headaches out there, certainly,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm sure there are some undiagnosed. We had the
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  Speaker 4: same conversation a couple of years ago with two and
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  Speaker 4: they're like, if he gets one more, we're talking about
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  Speaker 4: some serious brain damage and all this stuff, and it's
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  Speaker 4: you just have to be hyper aware of it. And
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  Speaker 4: so I wanted to ask, like, are because people on
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  Speaker 4: our show they call us CTO t B sometimes, are
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  Speaker 4: people genetically more like dispis, like genetically more likely to
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  Speaker 4: get long term effects from a concussion or multiple concussions
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  Speaker 4: than other people?
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  Speaker 2: Because I know people.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you're looking at one across the table that
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  Speaker 4: had multiple I had friends that played linebacker for a
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  Speaker 4: long time that had multiple, multiple, multiple concussions. But the
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  Speaker 4: brain works as clear, like as good as it did. Well,
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  Speaker 4: not you friends, but then you see some that have
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  Speaker 4: had a couple and you see the brain damage. You
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  Speaker 4: see the long term after effects with the CTE and
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  Speaker 4: all these things like are pre like, are they just
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  Speaker 4: more likely? Is it a genetic thing? Is it a
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  Speaker 4: type of concussion? Are there different types of concussions?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a discussion that you know, look,
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  Speaker 6: we could open up a whole show talking about this
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  Speaker 6: specific topic. There's a lot of information out there, and
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  Speaker 6: then there's a lot of there's also a lack of
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  Speaker 6: information to be fair, and you know, the way I
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  Speaker 6: look at really any medical condition and concussions are definitely
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  Speaker 6: not unique to this is you know, the way I
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  Speaker 6: describe it a patient of my clinic, I'm like, look,
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  Speaker 6: you get you get this scenario where you get a
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  Speaker 6: bowl and you throw all your genetic predispositions all into
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  Speaker 6: this bowl and then all of your life experiences and
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  Speaker 6: that's what comes out and the medical presentation we see
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  Speaker 6: and what I mean by that is absolutely there there's
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  Speaker 6: got to be some kind of genetic pre existing conditions
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  Speaker 6: that probably make some people more susceptible to receiving concussions
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  Speaker 6: and then having more severe outcomes from said concussions. But
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that we've specifically identified those yet. And
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  Speaker 6: sometimes it might be a mixture of so many different
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  Speaker 6: things that it's not that simple. And then of course
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  Speaker 6: the severity of the concussion, how how bad was it,
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  Speaker 6: how many of you had that we talked about a
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  Speaker 6: moment ago, And there's a lot of things that go
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  Speaker 6: into it, because there's a lot of people that have
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  Speaker 6: had a lot of concussions that don't develop CTE. If
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  Speaker 6: you go back and you look at some of the
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  Speaker 6: studies where they looked at some of these NFL players,
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  Speaker 6: they've gone back and look, part of the problem is
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  Speaker 6: the only way that we've to this point been able
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  Speaker 6: to truly diagnose is with the biopsy, which means after
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  Speaker 6: you've died, so at autopsy. And they've done biopsies on
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  Speaker 6: brains of guys that played in the NFL or played
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  Speaker 6: college ball, and they said, oh, they had CTE. But
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  Speaker 6: then you go look at this individual's life and they
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  Speaker 6: lived a very normal life. They didn't have any symptoms,
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  Speaker 6: or maybe they had very mild dimension symptoms when they're
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  Speaker 6: in their nineties or something, which we probably all get.
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  Speaker 5: Let's just be honest, you know.
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  Speaker 6: I think with Frank Gift Gifford, that was one I
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  Speaker 6: remember they did his post mortem they said, oh, yeah, CTE.
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  Speaker 6: This is a guy who was in the public limelight.
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  Speaker 6: He was on television his whole life. He died from
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  Speaker 6: colon cancer. So did you have CT just because he
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  Speaker 6: had an abnormal brain biopsy? That a guy that seemed
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  Speaker 6: pretty normal. Yeah, yeah, his famine. I said, he forgot
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  Speaker 6: where his keys were every now and then. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: and I don't mean to be insensitive when I say that,
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  Speaker 6: but the reality of it is, we don't know. So
• 13:49
  Speaker 6: I think sometimes the CT narrator's probably gone a little
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: too far my personal opinion, but it's it's also a true,
• 13:54
  Speaker 6: real thing.
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: So how do we navigate that?
• 13:56
  Speaker 6: And look, we're still figuring it out, and what I'm
• 13:59
  Speaker 6: saying now may be wrong tomorrow, but that's kind of
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: where we're at the moment.
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: So sort of an answer, but.
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: Not exactly now. It is, I mean, it absolutely just
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like anything in life. Everything is
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: some people are more likely to get this, get that,
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: whatever it is. It just you kind of get pigeon
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: holed into all right, well, you hit you banged your
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: head against the wall for fifteen years in a career,
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: you're definitely going to have some sort of long term
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: and I just feel like some people you looked at
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: was a junior stay out that was like, yeah, I
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: wanted to study, study his brain, Like, yes, that was
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: the thing.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: And it's some people were more affected by it.
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: And you know, he was with del with mental health
• 14:31
  Speaker 6: and unfortunately a suicide. And how much of that was CTE?
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: How much of that might have been some pre existing
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: you know, depression, how much of that is you know,
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: if you're you're a professional athlete and you remove that
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: individual from the their career, you know, all of a
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: sudden you have to be a normal human and that
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: that can't be easy for any of us to deal with.
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: I think we've probably all dealt with no matter how
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: long you played sports, even just through high school. I
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: know friends that their first year not playing high school ball,
• 14:51
  Speaker 6: it's like, oh gosh, this is rough. I've been a
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: football player my whole life, even if you're only nineteen,
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: that's still your whole life.
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: That's what you know.
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: So so it's it's it's there's a lot of very
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: is that sometimes get overlooked, and I think it's very
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: easy to say, well, it's because this person had concussions,
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: but mental health exists and people who never played football
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: mental health problems and dementia and all these things. So
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: I think we need to be a little careful to
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: make that you know, correlation, you know.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: And that's why I like when things like this with
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: Jackson Dart happened, and it happened with two like you
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: get you see two concussions and what four weeks, five
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: weeks something like that, It's like, man, just John, it's
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: just put like, let's be careful with it right now.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Let's teach this guy to play the position a little
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: bit safer. Just still lose it because of just I mean,
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: there's like examples because is it going to be example
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: of CT down down the road? Is it you know,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: more like disposed to some mental health things. I don't know,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: but you just got to be careful with the Absolutely.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: All right, thanks Doc. We appreciate your time as always.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks for helping with my back too.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Absolutely well, he can't help with your brain. That's he
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: heard the first forty five minutes of the show today.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: You know we're here though, we made it. We're alive, Doc.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: We appreciate it.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: No problem, all right, we'll take a break more OTV
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: when we come back here live from the Raisin Kane
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: studio off the bench. All right, now is a great time,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: as it always is, to go forward dose. You've got
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: a tailgating weekend coming up here in Tiger Stadium. So
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: when you're packing everything up ready to go, your tents,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: your generators, your TVs, make sure you grab your dose sech.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Ease so you know it's a nerdy kick. Yeah, sure
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: we'll stand that. Ear and breakfast yeah why not?
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: You know it can be you know, whatever food you
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: want to go with the beer, but as long as
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: you have it cereal, sure that's what you want to do.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: But just make sure you're ready to go. Whenever the
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Tigers kick off. Don't allow that clock to fool you.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: It's always a great time to go for do.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an early kick, but you still got to
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: get your mind right. You still got to get ready.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: You still got to beat loud. So when you're getting
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: ready for tailgating, you know, maybe go buy you a
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: little six pack, maybe twelve pack, and then ask everybody
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: around that rounds you what they're drinking today, because you're
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: gonna be drinking.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Do sekis.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: If you see Jake and I walking around camust be
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: sure to hold it up. Say cheers, go for dose,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: trink responssibly.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Thanks selection.
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: Speaking so long, Amida as you call. I know this
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: sh I've had your wing. I've been so busy, but
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: I've been thinking about what want of doing you.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I know them money guys.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: If they've been talking about the way I do.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I do from the locker room to the airwaves, it's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: off the bench with Jacob Ester and Matt Flynn.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: I want to get you.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I can see you on me.
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: Too, and make them.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Hello, what's up much? Hey, welcome back to the show.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: But just a heads up. He did no floaters again, so.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on me and I didn't get none, none,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: not a single one.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my bad. Guys.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I'm still getting used to hosting the show when I
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: have to.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You did great.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I'm more of like a color commentator kind of guy.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: So there's some like techniques and things that you gotta
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: do when you're kind of hosting it. That's you know
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: that I'm just not used to. It's okay, we did it,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: we made it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I thought you did great.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I thought we did better yesterday than today. Like I said,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: right now, grade yourself Okay, it's good. Grade myself yesterday
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: I would give myself.
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: I agree, I would give you like a seven and
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: a half yesterday.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know I'll take that right out of the gate.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: You're probably pretty excited, you know, you're like, oh, Jake's
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: not in.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I got this then it saw me, me, me, me,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: And that's a little bit o crap it me me right.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I don't know about this. I appreciate it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Like we're gonna talk about the Brian Kelly thing again,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you all holding it down. Yeah. The yeah,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the old sickness going through the.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: House, I got you, brother, that's yeah, it's going around,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: like I know, and we usually avoid it, like we're
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: usually really like really good. Maybe maybe one of the
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: seven of us gets it this time, my friend, right, not.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: This time when it goes to the Flint household. Yeah,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: if one person had something ever like and it usually
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: takes about four weeks to get through everybody. I like
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it it happens.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, you know, you know, it's like we
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: don't have we don't have family in like anywhere in
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: the area, right, So like for us.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, these kids got to get to school.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Probably need to find something. How's that going? Somebody some
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: sort of help, right, got somebody?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I mean it's a city full of people, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: but I know you don't have family either though I don't.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: But we got people.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people, Yeah, people I got I got a
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: guy that has a guy has a Nick Sabeman's coming.
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: But the coach, hairstylists and barbers know, they do, know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: they do consation. I mean, you're sitting in the chair me,
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: I'm sitting there for like six hours. We're going to
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: have a conversation. I'm getting my hair done.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You do have lots of hair, a lot of hair.
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: I'm getting it done tomorrow. I'm really excited because you're
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: when you leave it Sunday, I'll be back Friday.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: That's right, some week long deal. Yeah, we just take
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Friday off. What you doing? I just come back, just
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: hang out with Taylor. That that's bad, but also having
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to come to work.
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: Forday ah, we'll just do it on remote.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, it's fine. Ill will add to the timeline.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: That's actually that's actually true, the way this is going,
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: they'll add to it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be nice to release it though, and then
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: just add to it as we go. Needs.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: She needs to make some them and then have like
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: blank slides at the end of there's more coming.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: No, you're doing the work. You gotta you gotta present that. Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Were you listening to the show first hour? Though?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I told I broke the new we broke news again?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You did? Yeah? Oh no, what was this? I have
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a have a buddy, let's get his haircut. Hair stylace
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: said Nick.
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: Saban is gonna be the coach, So I'm saying hair solace.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: No.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: This might have been before the odds went to two
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: to one too. I don't know. People are talking though,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: people that cut hair.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Again, like this is one of those ones that and
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I hope y'all know this about this show by now.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: We do like we do not.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Care to admit if we were wrong, if we're wrong,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: like we're gonna be like, oh my god, we screwed
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: that up.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: That's us are bad end up.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's even a remote possibility, but I
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: would love to be like, oh my gosh, I was wrong.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm biased, obviously, it's the man that
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: gave me every opportunity in life.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Because he brought me here. So that's what we were
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Like what you know, Taylor asked me the question before
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: he entered his agism thoughts about like what I would feel,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: and it was I don't. I would be excited because
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: it'd be a it'd be a switch, it'ld be like
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: a certainly an energy boost. You like, there's you can't
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: it's the trump card, right, Like, there's nothing you could
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: say about it besides does he really want to? But
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: that was my thing, like why would he want to?
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Why would he want to? And I think that's everybody's opinion,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: but hell, if he really wants to, let's ride. If
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: he wants to, I'll go pick him up. Yeah, that's
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: a little tricky situation. Your name's on another team in
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the SEC's field. Yeah, but that is This is one
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: of the things that he always said was one of
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: his biggest regrets was leaving LSHU. Now that's a loaded statement,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: of course, because it was the NFL switch and all
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: that stuff. But look, if I don't know, but at
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Lante brought up the point too, it's like you left
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: college football because of the state of college football. Really, yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: it's not any different maybe there's a little bit more
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: guardrails on it now, and there's going to be more
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: guardrails each.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And every year.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: But it was like with the s show, that's happening
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: with the LSU situation from the top down in Louisiana. Yeah, Governor, President,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Border supervisors, all that stuff. I said, any head coach
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: that comes in is going to be at the bottom
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: of that pecking order unless it's Nick Saban. And I
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: think everybody in Louisiana would say yes, sir to Nick Saban.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And that means everybody, oh even yes, like even if
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: like we had questions about okay, like I don't know
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: what Taylor said, but you know he was hating on
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: his age, which rude.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Anybody's age, but wow, Taylor, but like yeah, I mean
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about Nick Saban coming back to LSU
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: since he left. It was twenty years ago. R right,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was twenty years yeah yeah, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: mean shut up.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, even though he's seventy four, Like, no, he
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: cares about that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean think I think the governor would even
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: say yes sir, right.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well say like that would be the only one
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: yeah initially or would save it and eventually make him right.
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: Right, because it's like such Napoleon what do they call it?
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: Napoleon's and yeah, yeah, I just don't think.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when Saban walks in a room, it's like a
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: few energy. Yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, I have never seen somebody of of of his
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: size and statue like walk into a room and immediately
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: everybody sits up in their chair.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. It doesn't matter who you are. He
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: would walk into that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: He would walk into that loting room and the biggest
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Marcus spears straight up in his chair.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't matter who it was.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: He can walk into that board of supervisors and everybody,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: including the person at the.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Top, would sit up in their chairs. Yep.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: No, is that the same way because the Taylor's takes
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: At question, did Taylor have him one foot in the
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: nursing home?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: He did, so, Jake.
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: What I was asking was like, okay, like it's Saban's age,
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: how long is he going to want to do this?
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: So I was like, my question would be, like a
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: lot of people have brought up Kelvin Shepherd, like some
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: people have said he hadn't had to coaching experience.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: That's a concern of mine. So my question was, like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: if say it only wants.
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: To be here two or three years, would he bring
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: a younger guy with him that LSU loves like learn
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: under him for a few years and then that guy
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: take over.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Maybe, But then at that point you're kind of hiring
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: two head coaches at once. Let's just stick, all right,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you'd have to know for sure. Well, that's what I'm saying,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: savings some time to like pick I don't know, seventy
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: five to one to two to one overnight.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: From the list of people that I have heard, at
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: least it is exciting.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, coach Saban's probably one of those names where
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: maybe you don't think it's gonna happen, but you're gonna
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: you're gonna do your due diligence, like you're gonna kick
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: the tires on it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying he wouldn't be intimidated about what's happening.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Is that let me ask you all, this, is that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the only person that y'all could hire and talking about
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the board like and kind of make some of all
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the drama that's led us to this point go away.
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's the only hire. Nobody can poke holes in. Yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: it's ultimate trump.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody can forget about how we got here. Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and nobody, nobody could put a timeline that a Launders
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: having to put together.
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: It would be water under the bridge.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the timeline would dissolve, it would just disappear, like
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that's silly old thing. That's silly old thing. It was
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: ages ago. That wasn't even real.
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: You never said family.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: We heard and Kelly multiple years we could get saving back.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It was all part of the plant or the plan.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Mhmm yeah, mhm mule Odds makers. We appreciate the content.
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: It feels like Vegas just taking advantage of LSU fans
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: that are hoping for the best.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: That's what I think it is. That's a good take
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: right there. I like that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I think there's there is some limits on how much
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: you can place on future headco ching Odds.
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: Really yeah, did you see they put yeah, we put
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: that that limit on there, and people were like they
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: put caps on beds before they did a salary cap.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Was it two hundred?
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Because those those two cats are what for the guardians
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: or facing years and sixty five years in prison.
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: It's a long time, but you're making millions of dollars
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: and you risked it for like what fourteen grand?
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah sixty five show.
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: Has pissed about the two hundred dollar cap. Yeah, I'm
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: never going to be over that. M m fact that
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: they were like show how we don't care.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: But if you were baseball, I would wipe that so
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: far they did on the rug.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Yeah, that's the cash cow. Getting back to.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: The whoever the coach is going to be, I hope
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: they take a hard look at the defensive staff before
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: they they make it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Let's not make any snap decisions on that. Now.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: On the other side of the ball, do what you want,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: but whatever you want, whatever you want there. But like
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: the defensive staff, like I'm sitting there calling the game
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: on Saturday, and I'm like, man, God, they are trying
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: everything they possibly do now right, They're pushing so many
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: right buttons and outside of the like the play before
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: half where you're a man coverage and you just get beat.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't have even been in that situation because the
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: often should have helped you out and rent the clock
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: out or at least ran it down. So I hope
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: they take it like whoever comes in, well, they'd be foolish,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: not too right, I know, because like that defensive staff
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: wants to be here, Like Corey Raymond played here, Kyle
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: played here, Blake played down the road.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: But Blake's you know, got strong ties to l s U.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Jake Golsen's been here multiple times. Kevin Peeple's done have
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: to ties it all the other people have, but he's
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: done a good job here.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a defensive staff.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Att It's a defensive staff that like if they were
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: to get let go, they could all go as a
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: group together and go get any defensive coaching job in
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the country, right anything, So like you would be foolish
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: for a head coach not to at least I'm not
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say kick the tires because I think
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: that's disrespectful, but then at least not give them a good, good,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: good hard look, Like what are you going to bring
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: to the table, Like maybe you're loyal. Maybe a head
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: coach comes in and he's loyal to a coordinator or
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: a linebacker's coach something that's been with him forever and
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: they came up the ranks together.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I get that, But like keep as much in place
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: as possible because like you said, most of the guys
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: on this defensive staff are LSU people. Now they're coaches,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: so they'll coach anywhere. Yeah, but they're LSU people. They
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: want to be here and they are good.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: You know, it's what we're talking about Eli drinkers the
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: other day off air, Like if his name comes up,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I know what I think about drink.
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  Speaker 2: I'm more to drink. He knows.
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  Speaker 3: He knows all the defense staff because that's where they
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: came from. That's where Jake, Uh, Blake, Kevin, they all
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: came from Missoo to l s U.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Right, So he's staff changes at all.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: It should it shouldn't. It shouldn't change with anybody, Like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: who're you gonna get to replace Corey Raymond? Yeah, the
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: bright spot of this entire team.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Somebody made that mistake before he goes he's.
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, did replace Cory Raymond?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I forgot?
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Well, Uh, Carrie way Is Cooks, Kerry Cooks, Harry Cooks,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: he's a Rice now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: By the guy that has been the architect of dB
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: U for a long time, brought in people, loyal people,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: l s U guys through and through, and the bright
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: spot of our team this year has been the defensive backs,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: the effort they're playing with, the technique they're playing with,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: making plays all over the field, Like if they if
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: our defensive backfield wasn't as good as it has been
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: this year with some of the like there's been some
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: effort moments. We pointed some effort moments out in some
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: of the film review. Now that that was gone, maybe
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: that was a game or two we only seen it,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: but that defensive backfield's played fantastic. I thought the defensive
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: lines played really good for the pieces that they have.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: They don't have like any.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: No, because they were Bo Diddley was recruiting a different
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: defensive tackle that didn't fit the needs of this scheme, right,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: so you're kind of putting it together with dug tape
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: and super glue of Yeah, Jacobin.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Gillery's gotten a lot better.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And that's an older veteran player that you kind of thought,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Okay at this point he is the player that he is.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: But Kyle's done a really nice job with him.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you that. Well, everyone was kind of
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: glimming dam with Bo Davis decided to leave. Oh she
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: got an upgrade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: As far as technique, Yeah, for a guy that's played
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: it a long time.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Oh Man speaks to a group of men. I'm not
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: saying Bo was not great at that, but like Kyle Williams,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: to me, is a special hire for that situation, and
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: a guy that, like again Lsu, he didn't have to
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: do this right now.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: He just wants to help Lsue, wants to coach Lsue
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: be a part of the game, give back. So I
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: think any defensive coach that came out would be lucky
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to have a lot of that stuff.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: All right, well, step way more OTB when we come
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  Speaker 3: It's November the twelfth.
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  Speaker 2: Turkeys haven't even been slaughtered yet.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all know, there's a real there's a chance that we
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  Speaker 3: could be over forty days away from hiring a new coach. Depending, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it could be forty days.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they said today, as long as possible. If they're
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  Speaker 4: going after Wane might be until January.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just have forty I figured like almost January, good,
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  Speaker 3: good round number.
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  Speaker 2: That didn't get us a January buddy. I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: almost thirty one.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see how many more days we got to EATSK
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  Speaker 3: fifty fifty okay, fifty days of speculation, fifty days of wondering,
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  Speaker 3: fifty days.
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  Speaker 2: Of timeline betting odds. That'd be fun.
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  Speaker 3: No, even if you hire somebody that is not in
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  Speaker 3: the Coege football playoff or not in conference championship weekend,
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  Speaker 3: you're probably looking at maybe three weeks. Three weeks sounds
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  Speaker 3: a lot better than fifty days of knowing who the
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  Speaker 3: leader of your program is going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look happened.
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  Speaker 3: This happens like John Summerrall last year probably would have
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  Speaker 3: gone to a power forward job, but Tulane was still
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: playing for things, he still had a conference championship, and
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  Speaker 3: he's like, hey, the timing's just not right right now,
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  Speaker 3: and he decided to delay to here.
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  Speaker 2: And John Summer is gonna get one of these jobs.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know which one.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna get one of them, but he could have
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  Speaker 3: done it last year. He just he's like, yeah, you
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: know what, we're still playing all right, it's not right,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Like I want to be here for this conference championship
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  Speaker 3: game and we'll kick the can down the road a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit that so we did so.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Not just let me ask you this your timing, it's
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: theirs too.
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  Speaker 4: If now we what we saw against Aldam was the
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: lack of execution, it was you saw a change I
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: thought of just the feel of the way the LSUE
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: is playing. Can they keep that up? It's a week
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: it's going to be the game two with an interim coach.
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  Speaker 4: You've kind of the interm bump is gone. That's usually
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: just the week after h But can they keep playing
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: like that? I believe they will. I believe they're t
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: You know, you got to understand what to play for.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: You're playing. These individuals are playing for themselves right now,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: for the team as a whole. But like they have
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: to put good tape out there, so there's things to
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: motivate this team with. Now, let's just play it hypothetical
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: here that no one expects to see or wants to see.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: But let's play a hypothetical where they don't go and
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: put a product out on the field that's improved and
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: they don't execute and bad things happen on the outcome
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: going forward this season, does that timeline or urgency speed
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: up for you and the hiring process for LSU? Like,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: I know you said all the things, We're going to
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: get the best head coach as long as it takes
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: whatever that is. But if things start to slide, is
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: that urgency pick up? Because I think I think it's
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: like Frank Wilson can write the ship. From a recruiting standpoint,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: let's show some five like we can still maintain our recruits,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: can we maintain our current players? All this stuff? But
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: if it starts a slide, are you like, okay, now
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: let's cast a bigger net. Let's make sure. Let's now
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: start eliminating people that we know are going to take
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: fifty days.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Because we have to do something. Now, that's actually a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: good question. Thank you, Good for you, Thank you. I
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: just came up with it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: On the old nugging and I actually I think there's
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: something to it because to your point, let's say it's
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the worst case scenario.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say you lose to Arkansas. We don't think it
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: will be, but you beat.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Western Kentucky and know, yeah, there's nothing you can do, and.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Then you lose to Oklahoma.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Do you want to sit and let that just fester
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: for four or five weeks? Probably not even because if.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: You lose to Arkansas and the only makeup game you
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: have to wait two weeks to play a real game.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, even if that happens. So to your point,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: if it's sliding, you don't want to crash. Do you
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: become less picky?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not even less picky. Not because I think there's
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I think there's plenty of people on this list. I
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: think there's five guys right now that you could hire
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: that would come in here and win and be a
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: great hire. We got five, So I wouldn't say less picky.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I would just say less patient with waiting on that
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: person because of their situation.
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  Speaker 2: And I agree.
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  Speaker 2: It's not wait to old misk it's knocked out of playoffs, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: One, especially if you slide.
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  Speaker 9: Going I think, yeah, I think the defense, said staff
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd prefer offense for sure. But look, if there's
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  Speaker 4: I really don't care. We have to improve on offense. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: I want I want somebody or a head coach. I
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