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- 0:03Speaker 1: A Manila folder sealed in a gallon ziplock bag was
- 0:07Speaker 1: taped to the exterior north wall of a house on
- 0:10Speaker 1: Crest Line Court, at eye level, behind a hedge of
- 0:13Speaker 1: arbor VT labeled in black marker for Sandra Thorpe. The
- 0:18Speaker 1: man who lived there was gone, his car was not
- 0:21Speaker 1: in the driveway, and the folder had been waiting for
- 0:24Speaker 1: some one to find it for days. What was inside
- 0:28Speaker 1: those forty one handwritten pages would unravel three years of
- 0:31Speaker 1: a man's life and expose a scheme that had been
- 0:35Speaker 1: running quietly and profitably since at least two thousand thirteen.
- 0:40Speaker 1: The folder was not found by police. It was not
- 0:43Speaker 1: found by a neighbor. It was found by a meter
- 0:46Speaker 1: reader named Melvin Vaughan at ten forty five in the
- 0:50Speaker 1: morning on a Tuesday in September of two thousand nineteen.
- 0:54Speaker 1: Because a billing supervisor named Sheryl Doss had flagged an
- 0:57Speaker 1: audit that generated a work order that sent me on
- 1:00Speaker 1: to a specific stretch of wall. He would not otherwise
- 1:03Speaker 1: have had any reason to buy approach. One administrative error
- 1:08Speaker 1: in a chain of invisible clerical decisions. That is the
- 1:11Speaker 1: only reason any of this ever came to light. What
- 1:15Speaker 1: The folder contained was a forty one page handwritten account
- 1:19Speaker 1: of something that Glen Fitzgerald had come to believe was
- 1:22Speaker 1: true but could not prove. By the time investigators read
- 1:26Speaker 1: the email chain that confirmed it, they understood that what
- 1:29Speaker 1: had been done to Glen was not an accident. It
- 1:32Speaker 1: was a system, and Glen was not the first. Glen
- 1:35Speaker 1: Fitzgerald was fifty three years old and had been retired
- 1:39Speaker 1: since twenty twelve. He owned his home at four Crestline
- 1:43Speaker 1: Court in Harwick Township Outright. His investment portfolio was conservative
- 1:48Speaker 1: by design. He had no children. His sister, Patricia, lived
- 1:52Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. His neighbor, Arthur Peel, described him later as
- 1:57Speaker 1: someone who valued routine above omas amost everything else. That
- 2:01Speaker 1: routine was specific and knowable. Thursday mornings meant Paulson's Diner
- 2:07Speaker 1: on Garrett Street, Table four. Jody Wren, the waitress who
- 2:11Speaker 1: had worked that section for years, knew his order before
- 2:14Speaker 1: he sat down. He was the kind of man whose
- 2:17Speaker 1: presence in a room was easy to map, easy to read, and,
- 2:21Speaker 1: as it turned out, easy to study. Glen was not
- 2:24Speaker 1: a careless person. He was not naive in the ordinary sense.
- 2:28Speaker 1: He had spent his working years managing careful decisions, building
- 2:32Speaker 1: a financial position that reflected a preference for stability over risk.
- 2:37Speaker 1: His conservatism was not timidity. It was the product of attention.
- 2:41Speaker 1: He knew what he had, He knew what he wanted
- 2:44Speaker 1: to protect. That is what makes what happened to him
- 2:47Speaker 1: so precise. In the fall of twenty sixteen, Glenn's neighbor,
- 2:51Speaker 1: Arthur Peel, persuaded him to attend the Chamber of Commerce dinner.
- 2:55Speaker 1: Glen was not the kind of man who sought out
- 2:57Speaker 1: new social environments, but he went and at that dinner
- 3:01Speaker 1: he met Edward Ford. Ford was fifty eight, a divorce
- 3:06Speaker 1: attorney with fifteen years of practice in Harwick. He was
- 3:09Speaker 1: well regarded. His office on Clement Street, second floor had
- 3:14Speaker 1: the kind of quiet, established presence that suggested competence without ostentation.
- 3:19Speaker 1: People in town knew his name. He was the kind
- 3:21Speaker 1: of lawyer you called when a marriage was ending and
- 3:24Speaker 1: you needed someone methodical. What Glenn did not know, and
- 3:28Speaker 1: would not know for nearly three years, was that Ford
- 3:32Speaker 1: spent approximately forty five minutes at that dinner as sembling
- 3:37Speaker 1: a detailed financial picture of Glen's life, not in a
- 3:42Speaker 1: way that was visible, in the way that a practiced
- 3:44Speaker 1: listener extracts information from ordinary conversation, the mention of a
- 3:49Speaker 1: retirement year, a property reference, a comment about portfolio management.
- 3:54Speaker 1: By the time the dinner ended, Ford understood Glenn's approximate
- 3:59Speaker 1: net worth, his asset structure, and the fact that he
- 4:02Speaker 1: lived alone. Glenn walked away thinking he had made a friend.
- 4:06Speaker 1: The friendship moved quickly into the patterns that Glenn valued. Golf,
- 4:11Speaker 1: a fall weekend at a lake house belonging to one
- 4:14Speaker 1: of Ford's clients, Wednesday dinners at Hargrove's restaurant, regular enough
- 4:19Speaker 1: to become a standing arrangement. Ford was attentive, reliable, and interested. Glenn,
- 4:25Speaker 1: who had few close male friendships after retirement, responded to
- 4:30Speaker 1: that attention the way anyone would. He trusted Ford completely.
- 4:34Speaker 1: That trust is the architecture of everything that follows. Because
- 4:38Speaker 1: what Glenn experienced as friendship, the consistency, the interest, the
- 4:43Speaker 1: easy warmth of those Wednesday dinners was the foundation Ford
- 4:48Speaker 1: needed to build on, and in the spring of twenty seventeen,
- 4:52Speaker 1: Ford used it. He introduced Glenn to a woman named
- 4:55Speaker 1: Allison Pruet. Allison was forty four, a bookkeeper who did
- 5:00Speaker 1: contract work for Ford's office. She was, by every account,
- 5:04Speaker 1: a genuine person who had no understanding of the role
- 5:07Speaker 1: she was being positioned to play. She believed she had
- 5:11Speaker 1: been introduced to a man who might be a good match.
- 5:14Speaker 1: She was not wrong that Glenn was a decent man.
- 5:18Speaker 1: She was wrong about almost everything else. Glen and Allison
- 5:21Speaker 1: began dating in the spring of two thousand seventeen. By
- 5:25Speaker 1: January of two thousand eighteen, they were engaged. Ford witnessed
- 5:30Speaker 1: the court house ceremony. Fourteen months later, Allison filed for divorce.
- 5:35Speaker 1: That number fourteen months would mean more than it appeared
- 5:39Speaker 1: to mean, but that comes later. For now, what matters
- 5:43Speaker 1: is what Glen experienced inside those fourteen months and why.
- 5:47Speaker 1: By the summer of two thousand eighteen, he was sitting
- 5:50Speaker 1: in a therapist's office on Brent Avenue, describing his marriage
- 5:54Speaker 1: with a single word that his therapist underlined in her notes.
- 5:58Speaker 1: The word was scripted. Sandra Thorpe had been a licensed
- 6:02Speaker 1: clinical social worker for eleven years when Glen Fitzgerald first
- 6:06Speaker 1: sat down in her office on Brent Avenue. She specialized
- 6:09Speaker 1: in post coorkive recovery. That meant she had spent more
- 6:13Speaker 1: than a decade listening to people describe situations that felt
- 6:16Speaker 1: wrong but could not be named. She knew the vocabulary
- 6:20Speaker 1: of manipulation the way a cardiologist knows an irregular rhythm.
- 6:24Speaker 1: She heard patterns before she heard facts. So when Glen
- 6:28Speaker 1: used the word scripted, she did not treat it as metaphor.
- 6:32Speaker 1: She underlined it. Glen had come to Sandra in the
- 6:35Speaker 1: summer of two thousand eighteen, four months into his marriage.
- 6:39Speaker 1: The referral had come through his doctor, a standard anxiety intake,
- 6:44Speaker 1: nothing unusual on the surface. What was unusual was what
- 6:48Speaker 1: Glenn described once he began to trust the room. He said,
- 6:52Speaker 1: the conflicts in his marriage followed a form, the same complaint,
- 6:57Speaker 1: delivered with the same inflection. At intervals felt rehearsed. He said,
- 7:01Speaker 1: Allison would raise an issue, and before he could respond,
- 7:05Speaker 1: the conversation would shift to his finances, not her finances. His.
- 7:11Speaker 1: He said it felt like following a script where only
- 7:14Speaker 1: one person had read it in advance. Sandra noted it,
- 7:17Speaker 1: she did not yet know what to do with it.
- 7:20Speaker 1: There was no evidence, only a word, and a man who,
- 7:24Speaker 1: by his own description, was questioning whether his own perception
- 7:28Speaker 1: could be trusted. That last part mattered more than it
- 7:31Speaker 1: seemed to at the time, because one of the consistent
- 7:35Speaker 1: effects of sustained psychological manipulation is precisely that the target
- 7:40Speaker 1: begins to distrust their own clarity. Glen had started to
- 7:43Speaker 1: wonder whether the pattern he was seeing was real or
- 7:46Speaker 1: whether he was the problem. He had been wondering that
- 7:49Speaker 1: for months, and the wondering had made him smaller, quieter,
- 7:54Speaker 1: more willing to defer. The marriage continued its deterioration. By
- 7:59Speaker 1: late spring of twothsy nineteen, Allison filed for divorce. Glen
- 8:04Speaker 1: did not contest it. He was by then simply exhausted.
- 8:08Speaker 1: He canceled his appointment with Sandra in late July of
- 8:11Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He did not reschedule. Sandra kept her notes.
- 8:16Speaker 1: Six weeks later, something happened at for Crestline Court that
- 8:21Speaker 1: no one had planned for. The City of Harwick ran
- 8:24Speaker 1: a quarterly utility audit in the late summer of twenty nineteen.
- 8:29Speaker 1: The audit flagged a discrepancy in the meter readings for
- 8:32Speaker 1: the Crest Line block. A billing supervisor named Cheryl DAWs
- 8:37Speaker 1: generated a work order. That work order landed with a
- 8:40Speaker 1: meter reader named Melvin Vaughan had approximately ten forty five
- 8:44Speaker 1: in the morning on a Tuesday in September of two
- 8:47Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, Vaughan walked the north side of the property
- 8:51Speaker 1: at four Crestline Court. He was not looking for anything unusual.
- 8:56Speaker 1: He was looking for the utility access pen, which was
- 9:00Speaker 1: on the north face of the house, set into the foundation.
- 9:04Speaker 1: He found the panel. He also found a Manila folder
- 9:07Speaker 1: sealed in a gallon zip lock bag, taped to the
- 9:10Speaker 1: exterior north wall at eye level behind the arbor Vitai hedge.
- 9:14Speaker 1: The folder was labeled in black marker for Sandra Thorpe.
- 9:18Speaker 1: Vaughan called his supervisor. By noon, a patrol unit had arrived.
- 9:24Speaker 1: By two in the afternoon. Sandra Thorpe was standing in
- 9:27Speaker 1: front of that wall. Glen was not there, His car
- 9:31Speaker 1: was not in the driveway. The house was locked. Sandra
- 9:35Speaker 1: read the folder in a patrol unit parked at the curb.
- 9:38Speaker 1: It was forty one handwritten pages. Glen had written it
- 9:41Speaker 1: over approximately two weeks in late August and early September
- 9:45Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen. It was not a diary, It was
- 9:49Speaker 1: not a letter. It was a documented account, organized, specific
- 9:53Speaker 1: and calm of what Glen had discovered when he forwarded
- 9:57Speaker 1: his primary email to a secondary account, and in doing
- 10:01Speaker 1: so also forwarded the chain of messages that had not
- 10:05Speaker 1: been meant for him. The email chain was between Edward
- 10:08Speaker 1: Ford and Allison Pruett. It showed Ford directing the content
- 10:11Speaker 1: of Allison's complaints, specific language, specific timing, instructions on which
- 10:18Speaker 1: of Glenn's financial anxieties to activate and when. It showed
- 10:22Speaker 1: Ford drafting the prenuptial clause that had been presented to
- 10:26Speaker 1: Glenn ten days before the court house ceremony, the clause
- 10:29Speaker 1: that reclassified Glenn's portfolio growth during the marriage as marital property.
- 10:34Speaker 1: It showed a referral arrangement between Ford and an associate
- 10:37Speaker 1: divorce attorney who had handled Allison's filing. Ford collected a
- 10:42Speaker 1: finder's percentage, and it showed the referral to Owen Buell,
- 10:46Speaker 1: the couple's counselor whose sessions Glenn had described to Sandra
- 10:51Speaker 1: as leaving him feeling worse every single time. Sandra delivered
- 10:55Speaker 1: the folder to Harwick Township p D. Within one hour
- 10:58Speaker 1: of reading it, Detective Frank Correls subpoened the e mail
- 11:02Speaker 1: chain within one week. What Quarrels found when he pulled
- 11:06Speaker 1: the full thread was not a spontaneous conspiracy. It was
- 11:10Speaker 1: a system. Ford had run the same architecture before. Six
- 11:14Speaker 1: years earlier, in two thousand thirteen, a retired civil engineer
- 11:19Speaker 1: named Howard Beale had been introduced by Ford to a woman,
- 11:23Speaker 1: had married her, and had watched the marriage collapse after
- 11:26Speaker 1: fourteen months. Beale had lost a significant portion of his
- 11:30Speaker 1: investment portfolio in the settlement. He had moved out of state.
- 11:35Speaker 1: He had never reported anything, not because he was complicit,
- 11:38Speaker 1: but because, in his own words, he had always felt
- 11:42Speaker 1: something was wrong but had never been able to name it.
- 11:45Speaker 1: Fourteen months. Glenn's marriage had lasted fourteen months. That number
- 11:50Speaker 1: sat in the case file like a second signature. Ford's paralegal,
- 11:54Speaker 1: a woman named Tessa Wynn, was the one who pulled
- 11:57Speaker 1: the Beale file and brought it to Quarrels. Had worked
- 12:00Speaker 1: for Ford for four years. She later said she had
- 12:03Speaker 1: not understood what she was looking at until Quarrels explained it.
- 12:07Speaker 1: Then she said she could think of three other referrals
- 12:10Speaker 1: that had followed a similar pattern, though none of those
- 12:13Speaker 1: produced enough documentation to expand the charges. There was also
- 12:17Speaker 1: the matter of the unlocked door, the strike plate on
- 12:20Speaker 1: the north basement door of four Crestline Court had been stripped.
- 12:24Speaker 1: It had not been functional for at least two years.
- 12:28Speaker 1: Someone who knew the house could enter through that door
- 12:31Speaker 1: when Glen was absent. The evidence was physical and specific.
- 12:35Speaker 1: A chair in Glenn's study had been moved from its
- 12:38Speaker 1: habitual position. A document on Glen's desk had been shifted
- 12:43Speaker 1: in angle. Neither detail was definitive alone, together and in
- 12:47Speaker 1: the context of everything else. Quarrels concluded that Ford had
- 12:51Speaker 1: entered the property at least twice. He had been managing
- 12:55Speaker 1: the environment, not just the relationship with the physical space.
- 13:00Speaker 1: Glenn had written about the chair in the folder, He
- 13:04Speaker 1: had noticed it was wrong and had assumed he had
- 13:06Speaker 1: moved in himself and forgotten. He had assumed them for months.
- 13:11Speaker 1: On a Thursday in October of twenty nineteen, Ford was arrested.
- 13:16Speaker 1: Quarrels led a six hour interrogation. Ford confessed to the scheme,
- 13:20Speaker 1: both marriages, both targets, the scripted complaints, the bull referral,
- 13:26Speaker 1: the prenuptial clause, the financial arrangement. His only mitigation was
- 13:30Speaker 1: a single statement that Quarrels noted verbatim. Ford said he
- 13:34Speaker 1: had not forced anyone to do anything. He appeared to
- 13:37Speaker 1: believe this mattered. Picture Ford at the Chamber dinner in
- 13:41Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. He is fifty eight years old, fifteen years
- 13:46Speaker 1: into a Harwick practice, and he is moving through a
- 13:49Speaker 1: room the way someone moves when they are gathering, rather
- 13:53Speaker 1: than socializing. Glen Fitzgerald is at a corner table. Arthur
- 13:57Speaker 1: Peel has urged him to come. Glenn is there because
- 14:00Speaker 1: he made a commitment, and he keeps commitments. Within forty
- 14:04Speaker 1: five minutes, Ford has assembled a working picture of Glenn's finances,
- 14:08Speaker 1: his social isolation, and his habits. If you follow that
- 14:12Speaker 1: version forward, Ford is simply a predator who identified a
- 14:16Speaker 1: target and executed a plan. But here is the thing.
- 14:20Speaker 1: That version, clean, deliberate, uni directional collapses the moment you
- 14:25Speaker 1: look at Alison Pruitt. Allison cooperated fully. Investigators confirmed she
- 14:30Speaker 1: had no understanding of the orchestration. She believed she had
- 14:34Speaker 1: been introduced to a man who might be a good match.
- 14:37Speaker 1: When she raised the complaints Ford had scripted for her.
- 14:41Speaker 1: She raised them because Ford had framed them as legitimate grievances,
- 14:46Speaker 1: things she deserved to address. She was not performing. She was,
- 14:51Speaker 1: by the evidence, a person who had been used as
- 14:53Speaker 1: an instrument without her knowledge. That makes her something more
- 14:57Speaker 1: complicated than a co conspirator, and something more disturbing than
- 15:01Speaker 1: a stranger, a participant who was also in a different register,
- 15:05Speaker 1: a victim of Ford's design. The same applies to Owen Buell.
- 15:10Speaker 1: He received two referrals from Ford in eighteen months he cooperated.
- 15:15Speaker 1: There was no evidence he knew the purpose of those referrals.
- 15:19Speaker 1: Every session he ran with Glenn and Alison was likely
- 15:22Speaker 1: conducted in good faith, But every session conducted in good
- 15:26Speaker 1: faith made Glenn feel worse because the problems Buell was
- 15:31Speaker 1: trying to address had been manufactured by the man who
- 15:35Speaker 1: sent Glenn to him. Ford had built a system where
- 15:38Speaker 1: the people closest to his targets were without knowing him,
- 15:42Speaker 1: maintaining the pressure. That is not a crime of passion.
- 15:46Speaker 1: That is not opportunism. That is engineering. What the email
- 15:50Speaker 1: chain established and what Ford's confession confirmed, is that the
- 15:55Speaker 1: manipulation operated on a single mechanism. Ford controlled the information
- 16:01Speaker 1: that each person in Glen's life received, and he never
- 16:04Speaker 1: needed to enter a room twice for anyone to notice
- 16:07Speaker 1: the same hand, Allison heard her grievances framed by Ford.
- 16:12Speaker 1: Buell heard a marriage in distress, which it was Sandra
- 16:16Speaker 1: heard a man describing a pattern, which she underlined. Nobody
- 16:20Speaker 1: saw the whole architecture because Ford had distributed its parts.
- 16:24Speaker 1: The folder on the north wall was the first time
- 16:27Speaker 1: all the parts appeared in the same place at the
- 16:29Speaker 1: same time. Glen had placed it there. Because Ford had
- 16:32Speaker 1: used the unlocked north basement door to enter the house,
- 16:36Speaker 1: Ford would have had no reason to look at the
- 16:38Speaker 1: exterior of that wall. The folder was addressed to the
- 16:41Speaker 1: one person Glenn trusted, who was outside Ford's information system entirely.
- 16:47Speaker 1: Sandra had never met Ford. Ford had never referred Glenn
- 16:51Speaker 1: to Sandra. That referral had come through Glen's doctor. It
- 16:55Speaker 1: was the one channel Ford had not touched. Glenn had
- 16:59Speaker 1: found the gap in the architecture, and he had used it.
- 17:03Speaker 1: The email chain had been subpoened within one week of
- 17:06Speaker 1: Sandra Thorpe delivering the folder to Harwick Township Police. The
- 17:11Speaker 1: chain established what the folder described four directing Allison's grievances,
- 17:16Speaker 1: scripting behaviors calibrated to erode Glenn's confidence, coordinating the prenuptial clause,
- 17:22Speaker 1: maintaining the referral arrangement. The prosecution did not need to
- 17:25Speaker 1: build the case from inference. Glen had documented it, the
- 17:29Speaker 1: email chain confirmed it. Alison Pruitt cooperated fully. No charges
- 17:34Speaker 1: were filed against her. Investigators concluded she had not understood
- 17:39Speaker 1: Ford's orchestration, She had experienced a failing marriage, felt genuine frustration,
- 17:45Speaker 1: and reported her frustrations to a man who was shaping
- 17:48Speaker 1: them into instruments. She had been a participant in something
- 17:52Speaker 1: she did not know she was participating in. That is
- 17:55Speaker 1: its own kind of harm. Owen Buell cooperated well. He
- 18:01Speaker 1: acknowledged the referral relationship. There was no evidence he had
- 18:05Speaker 1: known the purpose of Ford's recommendations. Two referrals in eighteen months,
- 18:10Speaker 1: both conducted in good faith, both unknowingly serving Ford's pressure system.
- 18:16Speaker 1: No charges filed. Howard Beale learned of the arrest from
- 18:20Speaker 1: out of state. He had moved years earlier after his
- 18:23Speaker 1: own marriage collapsed at fourteen months, the same duration as Glenn's.
- 18:27Speaker 1: He lost a significant portion of his investment portfolio and
- 18:31Speaker 1: never reported it because he had never known there was
- 18:34Speaker 1: anything to report. When he was contacted during the investigation,
- 18:38Speaker 1: he said he had always felt something was wrong. He
- 18:41Speaker 1: had never been able to name it. Ford named it
- 18:44Speaker 1: for him six years later in an interview room in
- 18:47Speaker 1: six hours. Glen Fitzgerald returned to Harwick after Ford's arrest.
- 18:52Speaker 1: He went back to Paulson's Diner on Garrett Street, table
- 18:55Speaker 1: four Thursday mornings. Jody Wren still knew his order. He
- 19:00Speaker 1: continued therapy with Sandra Thorpe for fourteen more months. He
- 19:05Speaker 1: had found the one channel Ford had not controlled, and
- 19:08Speaker 1: that channel had worked. There is a phrase that appears
- 19:12Speaker 1: in coercive control literature used to describe what Ford did,
- 19:17Speaker 1: though the literature usually applies it to intimate partner relationships.
- 19:22Speaker 1: The phrase is reality distortion, not lying exactly, not force,
- 19:28Speaker 1: the slow, systematic replacement of one person's understanding of their
- 19:33Speaker 1: own life with a version that served some one else's purposes.
- 19:37Speaker 1: Glen Fitzgerald spent roughly three years inside a version of
- 19:40Speaker 1: his life that had been constructed for him. He trusted
- 19:43Speaker 1: a friend who was cataloging him. He married a woman
- 19:46Speaker 1: who had been placed in his path. He sat in
- 19:50Speaker 1: a counselor's office, working through problems that had been manufactured.
- 19:54Speaker 1: He signed a document that reclassified his own assets. He
- 19:58Speaker 1: did all of this believing he was making choices. Ford's
- 20:01Speaker 1: mitigation claim that he had not forced anyone is the
- 20:04Speaker 1: most honest thing he said in six hours, and it
- 20:08Speaker 1: is also the most precise description of what made the
- 20:10Speaker 1: scheme so complete. There was no moment Glenn could have
- 20:14Speaker 1: pointed to and said, there, that is where someone did
- 20:18Speaker 1: something to me. The architecture was designed to have no
- 20:22Speaker 1: such moment. What Glenn did with the folder was fined
- 20:25Speaker 1: the scene. Forty one handwritten pages, sealed in plastic, taped
- 20:30Speaker 1: to a wall that his constructed world had never touched,
- 20:33Speaker 1: Addressed to the one person outside the system, Howard Beale,
- 20:37Speaker 1: never had a folder. He carried the weight of something
- 20:40Speaker 1: wrong that had no name for six years. That gap
- 20:44Speaker 1: between having a name for what happened and not having
- 20:47Speaker 1: won is not a small gap. It is, in many
- 20:50Speaker 1: ways the whole story. Edward Ford spent fifteen years in Harwick.
- 20:55Speaker 1: Two documented targets, one guilty plea. The system that caught
- 20:59Speaker 1: him was not an institution. It was a fifty three
- 21:02Speaker 1: year old man who kept his secondary email account, noticed
- 21:06Speaker 1: a pattern and wrote it down by hand over two
- 21:09Speaker 1: weeks because he did not know who else might be
- 21:12Speaker 1: reading his screen. The folder is what happens when someone
- 21:16Speaker 1: inside a dismantled reality finds a single piece of it
- 21:19Speaker 1: that still belongs to them. He used it. This show
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