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College Football Carousel: NC State Fires Dave Doeren · Sports Exchange

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  Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Sports Exchange. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Scott Morgan, off Motor City, Mademoiselle. A pretty wild
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: show coming up. All you need to do is look
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: at the title, then you'll see how wild that really,
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  Speaker 2: really is. Anyways, let me introduce the crew they have tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We have Cliff Neal back. My dad is back, Cliff.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. We have Jason Pratt in the house. And
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  Speaker 2: we have Luke Nelson from North Carolina. That's tough, boys.
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  Speaker 2: He has anybody that's appropriate for this show. Danny is
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  Speaker 2: definitely him. And we have Candy Edling, our statistician, and
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot more. All right, well, let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Baltimore Orioles first, okay? We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: every former Oriole moving on to the championship series, ALCS
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  Speaker 2: and LCS. And we'll start off with Evan Phillips. He,
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  Speaker 2: I think, went from the Orioles to the Dodgers. Then
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  Speaker 2: we have Tanner Scott, obviously, is with the Dodgers. We
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  Speaker 2: have D.L. Hall went from the Orioles to the Brewers.
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  Speaker 2: Joey Ortiz from the Orioles to the Brewers. Brian Baker
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  Speaker 2: goes from the Orioles to the Rays. Gary Sanchez went
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  Speaker 2: from the Orioles to the Brewers. Cole Sulzer goes from
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  Speaker 2: the Orioles to the Rays. Tyler Wells from the Orioles
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  Speaker 2: to the Rays. Jorge Mateo goes from the Orioles to
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  Speaker 2: the Rays. Cedric Mullen goes from the Orioles to the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: And there you have it, Cliff. I'm sure you ought
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  Speaker 2: to feel pretty good about all these guys that are
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  Speaker 2: not with you guys that are in the postseason. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's a pretty tough way to welcome you
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  Speaker 2: back with that. But anyway, what are your thoughts about
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  Speaker 2: that group?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm sure they feel quite happy that
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  Speaker 3: they moved on because they're challenging for a World Series championship,
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  Speaker 3: something they would not have been able to do with
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  Speaker 3: Baltimore because Baltimore is at some point. issues for how
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  Speaker 3: many years now? So I'm sure they're thrilled. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: the Baltimore fans are not. Oh yeah, we had him.
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  Speaker 3: Remember him and remember him. It's always nice as a
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  Speaker 3: fan to see your players that might have not done
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  Speaker 3: much for your team, but then they go someplace else.
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  Speaker 3: And oh wow, look at that. That's great. That's just wonderful,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it? So I'm sure Baltimore fans are absolutely thrilled
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  Speaker 3: that there's so many of their former players playing for
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  Speaker 3: the world series championship and they're not in an Orioles uniform. So, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: that's sometimes that's the way it happens. You know what, Baltimore,
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  Speaker 3: you got to realize, Hey, maybe we should do a
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  Speaker 3: better job of maybe we're okay at developing some players,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe we should keep some of them too. So it's,
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  Speaker 3: that's on them. They, they, they got to figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: So is that a, sarcastic clip with all of that?
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  Speaker 3: A little bit. A little bit of sarcasm there. A
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  Speaker 3: little bit of sarcasm there. What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 3: Baltimore let him go. When you think about it, they
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  Speaker 3: went to Milwaukee. They went to Tampa. Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Milwaukee and Tampa have been pretty good. They don't usually
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  Speaker 3: challenge for the World Series. They get to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: but only use a challenge for the World Series. So
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  Speaker 3: they probably thought they were not going to get that far. But, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I guess they were the missing links to get to
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  Speaker 3: those teams there. So, yeah, good for Milwaukee, good for Tampa.
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  Speaker 3: It's about time. I love the fact we have two
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  Speaker 3: teams that never won a World Series. And it's great
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  Speaker 3: to see Milwaukee is up three games to one. And Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 3: as last time I checked, they were up. And this game, so.
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  Speaker 3: And I know Candy's just bursting on the inside over
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  Speaker 3: there about that. And I can't blame her.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, Jason. I like that segment for you, Cliff.
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  Speaker 2: That would cliff me a like.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason. Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, no, it's all right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Pratt had that home run last night, and
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  Speaker 4: I know, Candy, you were like, oh, then Williamson took
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  Speaker 4: it out last night in the 12th.
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  Speaker 5: I was like watching it.
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  Speaker 4: I kept watching it, and I thought Brewer was going
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  Speaker 4: to sweep them, but here's the thing. Going back to
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  Speaker 4: the Orioles topic, you know, with Mateo and then brewers
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  Speaker 4: having Ortiz Ortiz is always been a solid utility player
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  Speaker 4: at the bottom of the brewers lineup.
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  Speaker 5: Same with, uh, uh, Sanchez, but I like Ortiz a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Um, like to say, Cliff was just mentioning two teams
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  Speaker 4: that haven't been new world series, some parody there, um,
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  Speaker 4: or who haven't won. And, you know, it's just, it's,
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  Speaker 4: it's good for the game. Uh, will Tampa force a
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  Speaker 4: game six?
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  Speaker 5: We shall see.
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  Speaker 4: But, um, like I said, those were interesting names that
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  Speaker 4: you brought up, Scott. And, uh, I'm sure like the,
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  Speaker 4: the chagrin of Baltimore fans, um, just a tough one there. And,
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  Speaker 4: and they did battle a lot of injuries going into
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  Speaker 4: the 26 season, but, uh, yeah, I'm sure they're really
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  Speaker 4: happy to be there. And, um, even, uh, former Brewer Peralta,
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  Speaker 4: who was on Tampa. So the pitcher, Freddie Peralta. So
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  Speaker 4: it's definitely, definitely they're excited and probably a big, bigger
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  Speaker 4: payday for all of them.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: It's definitely a bigger opportunity for all of them. And
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  Speaker 6: it's making the Orioles sound like they are the Miami
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  Speaker 6: Marlins of the American League. Yeah. a lot of these guys,
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  Speaker 6: it looks like a couple of them are good pitchers.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Cedric Mullins is the one that really stands
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  Speaker 6: out for me as far as former Orioles. And then
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  Speaker 6: Gary Sanchez, of course, is going to be the iconic
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  Speaker 6: catcher for the Yankees, but he also had a little
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  Speaker 6: stint for Orioles, but I mean, goodness gracious, there's a
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  Speaker 6: plethora that I just keep looking at right now and
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  Speaker 6: look at the list. It's just, yeah, it's, Orioles know
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  Speaker 6: how to get some prospects going, but they just give
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  Speaker 6: them away to better teams. I mean, I guess they're
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  Speaker 6: getting better offers. It just doesn't really make sense to me.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they got Alonzo now, but dang, it must
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  Speaker 6: be tough to be the front office of the Baltimore
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  Speaker 6: Orioles right now.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Candy.
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  Speaker 1: At the trade deadline, you're either going to be buyers
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  Speaker 1: or sellers. And if you're not having a good year,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to try and get prospects for your players
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  Speaker 1: that other teams want. Other teams, they look to see
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  Speaker 1: what they need, and then they go out there and
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  Speaker 1: ask different teams. Obviously, the Orioles weren't willing to move
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  Speaker 1: more of their players than some of these other players.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't been as relevant lately. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: they got more of a bigger payday because let's face it,
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and Milwaukee are smaller market teams. They're not
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  Speaker 1: high on the payroll list, but, and sometimes it's a
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  Speaker 1: matter of a player going to a team that just
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  Speaker 1: fits them better. You know, there's more camaraderie. There's more.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the one thing I will say that they
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  Speaker 1: have talked about. Now, I don't know about the Rays.
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  Speaker 1: because obviously I'm a big Brewers fan, but they have
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  Speaker 1: talked about how the Brewers, there aren't the egos. Let's
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  Speaker 1: face it, Christian Yelich has been on that team since 2018.
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  Speaker 1: Him and Brandon Woodruff, they don't have the egos of
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  Speaker 1: some of the other teams. Freddy Peralta started, he was
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  Speaker 1: drafted by the Brewers. Yes, he went to the Mets,
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  Speaker 1: where there was too many egos. And he went to
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  Speaker 1: the Rays, and he's talked about how he loves the Rays.
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  Speaker 1: I think, I cannot speak, that they don't have the
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  Speaker 1: egos either then. because he said he loved the atmosphere there.
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  Speaker 1: He still loves Milwaukee, but he also loves the Rays.
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  Speaker 1: So kudos to those guys getting traded to teams that
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  Speaker 1: are successful and are having success to even get into
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  Speaker 1: this World Series and still playing.
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  Speaker 2: The one that stands out to me is Brian Baker,
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  Speaker 2: the closer for the Rays. I like him a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and I really do, and then I'll go along with
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  Speaker 2: Cedric Mullins as well. All right, let's continue on. We
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  Speaker 2: have a good show lined up. We'll get to our
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  Speaker 2: feature topic of the night and a few topics from now.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the host city for the future final fours. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we started off last year with Indianapolis in 26. Detroit
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  Speaker 2: gets it this year over at Ford Field. Then you
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  Speaker 2: have 2028 in Las Vegas, 2029 in Indianapolis, 2030 in
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  Speaker 2: North Texas, 2031 in Atlanta. We've been to that thing
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  Speaker 2: in Kenya. It's a heck of a place. Oh, You know, Cliff,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you plan to go to any one,
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  Speaker 2: but what are your thoughts about the sights of the
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  Speaker 2: upcoming Final Fours?
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  Speaker 3: It's not surprising. Those are big cities. It's a good
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  Speaker 3: place for the tournament. They've got to mix it up
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  Speaker 3: every year. They want to try to give each city.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's a big process. I can just imagine
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  Speaker 3: the bidding process every year. And, yeah, they do repeat
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit. to do that because you can just
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  Speaker 3: imagine the money that comes into that city for a
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  Speaker 3: tournament like that. So that's always got to be a
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  Speaker 3: big process for that. They're all going to do a
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  Speaker 3: good job for what they're going to be hosting. Each
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  Speaker 3: city offers something unique and different. that it's everyone all
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  Speaker 3: the time, and either about the deep history of college
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  Speaker 3: basketball and past tournaments or just other amenities in each city.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a win-win for them, and I'm sure the
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  Speaker 3: NCAA does pretty well by a nose out of market,
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  Speaker 3: whatever city they go to.
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  Speaker 2: Bye, Jason.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, just like the NFL draft moving around. I
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  Speaker 4: love this that they're bringing it to Ford Field. Um, I,
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  Speaker 4: I may end up trying to go to that, uh,
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  Speaker 4: for 27.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to bring a lot more, um, it's going
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  Speaker 4: to bring a lot more people to these stadiums from,
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  Speaker 4: from maybe even out of country, uh, more tourists. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, um, it's going to bring a lot more,
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  Speaker 4: you know, revenue to even the smaller cities, uh, Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 5: Is always a good one.
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  Speaker 2: They're out.
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  Speaker 4: They usually always have there, but Detroit, I love that
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  Speaker 4: they're having it here. Um, I'm really fired up about, I'm,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a huge college basketball fan. Um, and fired up
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  Speaker 4: that Michigan won the championship last year, but, uh, I'm
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  Speaker 4: just a, I'm just a fan of the game. I,
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  Speaker 4: and I love the tournament and these other cities are,
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: are gonna, are, they're going to make out well for it. Um, and, uh,
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  Speaker 4: You said you were at the Atlanta. You guys were
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  Speaker 4: at the Atlanta one. I would love to go down
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  Speaker 4: there and see a different stadium. And, yeah, it's definitely
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  Speaker 4: good for the game.
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  Speaker 6: Two spots that really have a big arena for another sport.
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  Speaker 6: Like you have the World Cup and the FIFA World Cup.
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  Speaker 6: playing at a football stadium. So now you got men's
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  Speaker 6: NCAA March Madness Final Fours at State Farm Arena, NRG Field,
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  Speaker 6: Ford Field, Lucas Oil Stadium, all of these, and New
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  Speaker 6: Orleans Superdome, Mercedes-Benz Superdome, all of those big-time arenas where
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  Speaker 6: football is king. And you're bringing it through this arena
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  Speaker 6: where it just gets louder and louder and louder. And
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  Speaker 6: these athletes are on a court that's elevated from, from
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  Speaker 6: even the bench itself. It brings the spectacle of, um,
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  Speaker 6: watching basketball, not even, um, as a spectator, but on
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  Speaker 6: television too, because it's really awesome to watch just the camera, um,
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  Speaker 6: go through that, um, on the little dolly that it has, um,
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  Speaker 6: in each of the stadiums. Oh, it's so cool. Even
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  Speaker 6: in the Alamo Bowl. It's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome. I was actually at an Alamo Bowl now
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  Speaker 2: that you brought it up. That was a pretty cool place.
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  Speaker 6: I'm so jealous.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that I'm going to say is as a
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  Speaker 1: fan of the game, when you get into.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just, for kick sakes, because we're talking about Ford Field.
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  Speaker 1: Ford Field is a football stadium, though. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: being way up in the upper rafters trying to watch
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  Speaker 1: basketball down on the court. That's my only, like, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's cool because I think a lot more people
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  Speaker 1: will be able to be in there and be in
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  Speaker 1: the environment. But to actually see the game, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be watching it more on the Jumbotron. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've been up there.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. All right. But you know what, Candy? Guess what?
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  Speaker 2: Yours truly went to the Caesars Superdome, as Mr. Lucas said.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw Michael Jordan in that final four at
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  Speaker 2: the Superdome. Wouldn't matter where the heck you were when
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  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan ended up winning it and just beating the
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  Speaker 2: arena in front of 60-some thousand people there. It was
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  Speaker 2: just surreal. And get this, many years later, the guy
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  Speaker 2: that called the game, Gary Bender, for CBS, I wrote
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  Speaker 2: a story on him and got his book, so. As
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: long as you're in that building, it doesn't matter. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's nosebleed. I get it. But when you're in there,
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  Speaker 2: you have chills running down your spine.
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  Speaker 1: I get that, Scott. But you've also talked about how
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  Speaker 1: you do not like when the Packers played football at
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  Speaker 1: County Stadium, which is a baseball stadium. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a different element when you're playing a game that the
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  Speaker 1: stadium was not made for, that sometimes the sight lines
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  Speaker 1: aren't the same. Yes, you're in the element. You're in
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  Speaker 1: the atmosphere. There is nothing like going to a game live.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what game it is. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 1: it'll be difficult at times. Because the stadium is not
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  Speaker 1: made for basketball.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's cool.
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  Speaker 2: No, but the football stadium is candy. Over the years,
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  Speaker 2: that's what they're hosting these days are Final Four events.
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  Speaker 2: And you're right. They have better jumbotrons and scoreboards than
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: they did back in the day. Yeah, you're right. They're not.
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  Speaker 2: But look at the one they're doing in Tennessee with
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  Speaker 2: the Titans. That's not a host of Final Four. These
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  Speaker 2: things are built for this stuff as well as holding
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  Speaker 2: multiple events. Yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to chime in on that, Scott.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I, I do agree that with candy only because
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  Speaker 4: I can't see it. Like, Hey, we're going to look
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  Speaker 4: at little ants out there, but the camaraderie of being
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  Speaker 4: at the game is awesome. Don't get me wrong, but
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  Speaker 4: if I can't see it, it's like, and if it's
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  Speaker 4: like a big game and I want to see what's
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  Speaker 4: going on, like, Hey, who's fouling who or whoever, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I get where Kanye's coming from, but I do like the,
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  Speaker 4: the camaraderie of being there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: But for me, I got to see what's going on.
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  Speaker 7: How many people actually care about that though, about wanting
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  Speaker 7: to see the action, how many actually want to be
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: there and not just enjoying the actual fan experience.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you're going to be paying, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be paying certain amount of money. If you can't see it,
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  Speaker 3: what's the point?
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  Speaker 6: Well, you're there with your buddies, and you're there to experience.
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  Speaker 6: Some people don't care about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: The tickets are so expensive, though. That's the thing. Back
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  Speaker 3: in the day, it's not as big a deal. They
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  Speaker 3: charge you through the nose.
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  Speaker 6: I know this is not a game that really mattered
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  Speaker 6: in the matters of playoffs or anything, but the Speedway
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  Speaker 6: Series at Bristol, there were some seats you couldn't see jacked.
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  Speaker 6: You couldn't see anything that was going on in that field.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you had seats like on turn four and
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  Speaker 6: the action in the field is on turn one. It's horrible.
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  Speaker 6: It was the worst design ever. But, hey, you're watching,
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  Speaker 6: you're at a game and instead of a speedway where
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: a baseball game is playing.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, that's freaking awesome.
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  Speaker 4: If you're a big fan of your local team, say
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  Speaker 4: you want to see Michigan or Tennessee or NC State,
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  Speaker 4: you want to see the games, but you might be
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  Speaker 4: able to catch the action on the television monitor. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: I might be able to see some action going on.
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  Speaker 4: At 65,000 fans for Fort Field, Opposed to, like, say,
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  Speaker 4: the Palace that used to be in Auburn Hills, which
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: was 20,000 fans. It's not so, you know, where you
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  Speaker 4: can actually kind of see what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: Again, yeah, if you want to watch it on the screen,
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  Speaker 6: you can just go home and see it. You're literally
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: at the final four where this is it. Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you could be watching a national title game and you
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: don't have a freaking view at all.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, 100%.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: I definitely agree with that. I mean, you're watching Duke
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  Speaker 6: and Carolina and I'm all the way in the back
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  Speaker 6: or heck there's people in section like 500 level and
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: they're watching freaking coach K just his final game. Like it's,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: it was unbelievable to be in that arena. But as
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  Speaker 6: far as watching the game, you're not going to get
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: a good view. You're just going to see just plain
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: little people just like shoot the basketball and just, is
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: play ball. Like, it's really not about– watching the game
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: becomes so difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but everybody on this panel, I agree
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: with you. The fan experience is something to think about. But, yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: if you want to stay up there and nosebleed, you do.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: And if you don't, then you'll stay home. I mean,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a choice you're going to make. pay
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: premium dollar if you go during a marquee event or
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: unless you're going to scalp them the final four you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: can get them cheap for the final game because cheaper
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: i should say because what happens with those leftover tickets
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: from the other ones uh the other places there's more
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: out there circulating but it's an interesting experience again the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: stadiums are built what they are. All right, let's go
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to hockey. Cleveland has been selected to host the 2027
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: AHL All-Star Game Classic at Rocket Arena. We'll start with you, Cliff.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: You like the idea that Cleveland's going to be getting
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: an All-Star Game in the AHL once upon a time.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: They were known for being the Cleveland Barons.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: It just makes sense. They usually rotate that anyway. I'd
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: say 2008, 2009, somewhere around there. I can't remember exactly,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: but I did go to an AHL All-Star game myself
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: with the Hershey Bears. That's definitely a great experience, but
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: why not? They seem to like hockey. They're getting some
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: support there in Cleveland. When you think about it, they've
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I know people from Cleveland and they say, yeah,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: it's OK. But I think it's since the Blue Jackets
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: have been around, that's been influencing. And, yeah, they did
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: have the Cleveland Barons there for a very long, long time.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: And different iterations, NHL and then the AHL, they had
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the Barons. No, they're not. They're the monster. At least
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: they're now the Cleveland monster. They were the Lake Erie
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: monster there for a while. But, no, that's a good
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: idea to have the AHL All-Star Game. It was a
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: fun event when I went. It's just interesting to see
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: all these people and all these different jerseys, and it's
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: just a good old time. All the mascots are there.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And it's a showcase for those players who are just
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: one step away from the NHL. And there's some really
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: good– I'm sure there's going to be some real big
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: stars in the next few years, and it's good to
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: see that Cleveland's getting that. Um, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: it'll be, it'll be a good time for the people there.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I know I had a great time, uh, watching my
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: all-star game however many years ago that was, um, for
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the AHL, but yeah, it's, I, that, that, that's a good,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: that's a good call by them. Um, and I, I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: think AHL is a good spot for, uh, for Cleveland. Um,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: they've got Columbus in the, in right there too. So, uh,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I think that, that the monsters, the, uh, is the monster, the, uh,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: the affiliate for the, for the blue jackets.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, which makes sense. You know, so that's, that's,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: that's a good, that's a good call by them.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I like that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: It's going to be exciting for the city. It's only
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: three hours for me or Detroit. So it's a good
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: city there. It'll be good. I did read something about it'll,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: there is a hotel Cleveland, so it'll be easier for, um,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: fans to walk through the indoor RTA walkway. Um, so it,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward for that for AHL and you see
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: all kinds of different fans, like Cliffside, the mascots and that,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: and the future of, you know, the future of, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: NHL players.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: So, um, I like that. I like what the city
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: is doing.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Lucas.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: I guess they had a huge attendance a couple years back,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: maybe even 10 years ago when they won their championship.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: It's just so weird to me that Cleveland has an
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: AHL team And then you have to go to Columbus
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: for an NHL team. I guess there's a saturation for sponsorships.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: You got the Browns. You got the Cavs. And then
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: you have the Guardians. It seems so weird that you
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: would just throw it over to Columbus for an NHL team.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I think it made sense, though. why they did it
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: i don't know i'm sorry i think i'm just.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: Trying to explain am i okay with that okay just
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: like because please they i think they took into account
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: because it's in the middle all right and you already
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: have the cincinnati and cleveland uh rivalry but what's the
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: one thing both love ohio state that kind of thing
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: it's like the ohio comes state ohio state so i
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: think that's what they was part of the thought one
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: it's in the middle and that's something that can come
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: together for an Ohio thing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: That's why they did that, I think, from my standpoint.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: So there was a strategy to it, and it is
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: a bigger area. I don't like the fact that they
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: call Columbus, even though it's in Columbus. I just want
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: them to call him, like, Ohio. I know, Columbus sounds
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: minor league. It just does. And just call him, like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: the Ohio Blue Jackets. It would seem to make much
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: more sense to me. But, yeah, that was just my thought.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: You just.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: No, you're fine. You did that perspective. I loved it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: I was hoping you would chime in on that. Cause it's,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: it's always been weird to me now that, now that
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: I found out that Cleveland has an AHL team and
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: they're really good. Um, they really have some great prospects
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: that go, that come out of there. It's a direct, um,
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: direct prospect come for the Blue Jackets. I'm like, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: don't know. Now that you say it, it's kind of
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: like a, um, Duke and Carolina, they can meet at
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: the middle with Carolina Hurricanes. So, yeah, that's where I'm from.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: So they always have a love for basketball. But just
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: by having that rivalry, they can meet in the middle
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: and still be in this collaborative. But with Columbus, yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: you got the love for Ohio State. Then you can
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: have it for hockey. So, yeah, it's great for– I mean, yeah,
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: it's going to be great for Cleveland, duh. That entire
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: arena is going to be great. I mean, it's going
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: to be able to host. I don't know when the
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: last time the Cavs hosted an NBA All-Star game. I'm
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: sure it's been a long time. So to bring the
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: All-Star game to Cleveland again, it's going to be cool.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: All right, Candy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You can get tickets as cheap as $ 44 a seat,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: or the highest right now is $ 183 a seat, $ 4.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: the actual all-star classic if you want to go to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: just the game in Cleveland. I think it's cool. It's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a Midwest town. I do like the fact that they're
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: close to Columbus. And the reason being is if you
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: get called up, it's not a long flight. It's a
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: quick jaunt to get called up.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: A couple hours drive. Exactly.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Or, or a quick flight if they want to,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: depending on how quickly they got to get them there.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: It's always nice to see that. I know Milwaukee is
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: an AHL for Nashville. So I like it. I think
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it's good. And I think it's good to move it
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: around because I think different than different different crowds, different
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: people can see it live. And I think that, You know, Scott,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you and I went to the NHL All-Star Game when
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it was in Tampa, and that was a cool experience.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And I think everybody should, you know, if you're a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: hockey fan, you should go. If you like hockey, definitely.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And it gives different people the chance to do that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Like we've said, live is so much better than watching
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it on TV.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Just an FYI, Dennis Marook plays for the Cleveland Barons.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: He told me about that. All right, let's keep it going.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You're doing really well. Great face of the show. Let's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: go over some of the NBA. It's expanding here. Top targets. Now,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: they've added Mexico City recently, but a couple of top
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: targets consist of Seattle, former home of the Seattle Supersonics
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: with a strong fan demand, modern NBA arena, climate pledge arena.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And we all know it's a large tech corporate market
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: with Amazon and Microsoft, historic back well culture, Las Vegas, Nevada.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: You got the NBA Summer League every year. And, of course,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: you have the Raiders and the Golden Knights there. Tourism, entertainment,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: T-Mobile Arena. All right, Cliff, you love talking about these
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: sort of things. What are your thoughts about these two markets?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: It makes sense to produce Seattle and Las Vegas. It
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: was a tragedy that Seattle did move in the first place.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Of all places, yes, I know they won the championship
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: not so long ago. But Oklahoma City, I told you,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the NBA is weird. They have weird markets.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you know what?
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Don't expand. Move Sacramento there. I keep jumping on the Sacramento.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: You move Sacramento to Las Vegas.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Then you take the LA Clippers. Nobody cares about the Clippers.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Has anybody cared about the Clippers? They got the Lakers.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: They're in the shadow. Why bother? Their biggest thing is
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: they had a movie about, like, Mike with, like, little bow-wow.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: That seemed to be their biggest thing for the Clippers.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, just move them to Seattle and move them
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to Supersonics. I'm like, it's silly to me.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be it's gonna be too uh you know
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: diluted i'm like yeah i understand why las vegas and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: seattle it just makes sense but i'm like yeah it's
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: just silly to have teams in sacramento and the clippers
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: why just why i'm like just just move them just
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: move them it's it's so we won't have to have
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: like it just seems silly what's the point.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Now moving what are you not they said don't nuts.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not Sacramento and the Los Angeles Clippers. The Los
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Angeles Clippers. What have the Los Angeles Clippers and the
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Sacramento Kings ever done?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Done.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I know they were Kansas City Kings a long time ago,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: long before that. Didn't they move before Kansas City? I
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: don't go far back. They were like Syracuse. I can't
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: follow that far back. Hey, Cliff, can I ask you
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: a question?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: When you're going back to New York with your students,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sending you there right now. You can't pick a name.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: You just love the Sacramento Kings.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the Clippers, you sick man. I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: don't care what you do with the Kings.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: But what about some of the Clippers?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Why are they there? I'm sending you back to New
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: York with your students. Really?
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Why are they there?
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: They do nothing. What's the point? Everybody's a Lakers fan.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: What is it, like, 7% of the population of Los
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Angeles is, like, Clippers fans? Because they just, I don't know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: they like punishment and suffering? I don't know.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: How do you deal with a Clippers fan?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: How do you be a Clippers fan when you got
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: the Lakers there? Seriously.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Come on. Oh, they just built a brand new stadium.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Do you know how to account for 2 billion? I don't.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Don't they share with the Lakers?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they share.
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: So they're, they're a tenant. There's a, Who goes to
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: the Clippers games? You can't tell me the Clippers make
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: as much money as the Lakers, okay? You can't.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: You just can't.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Nobody said that, you knucklehead.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: So what's the point? What's the point of having the Clippers?
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Just move them to Seattle? Nobody's going to miss the Clippers.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'm having a bad one on the air. I'm coming
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to join you, Grandma, because I got a knucklehead right
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: across from me that doesn't realize... I'm only seeing the clippers.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: Nobody cares about the clippers.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I said. I'm having a bad one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Red Fox, Red Stanford, I'm having a bad one.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth, I know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: You're coming to join her. You're coming to join Elizabeth.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know how candy would be with that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Well, she's not ready to collect a life insurance policy yet,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: but she knows I'll be in a concrete nap anyway.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Don't tell that to her sister Marie, though, because I'm
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: telling you, I bring that up all of a sudden.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: We don't want to alienate the rest of the family.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Just kidding with you. Now my wife is going. Oh,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: my God, Cliff, what did you do to this crazy man?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I'm just talking about the Clippers.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: He went down the head.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: So am I, you knucklehead. They just built a brand-new
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: stadium just because the rest of the organization messed up. And, yeah,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Steve Ballmer's in the penalty box for about a year.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I get that, but come on, they built a new stadium.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: But I forgot your head is still in New York
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: with your students.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: No, not really.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it is. There we go. It's just silly.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Why should they expand? Why should they expand? They can
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: just move some teams.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Cliff, what am I going to do
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: with them?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, you ready?
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: They're going to hit us. They're going to hit us.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Follow this guy. God, look.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: I'm all for at least Sacramento going to Seattle. I mean,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: if that happens. I mean, what was their heyday?
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, both organizations between the Clippers and the Kings.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: You got Donald Sterling, who was the owner. Look, it
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: is history for the Clippers.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I remember Shaq used to say, oh, we're just messing
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: around with.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: The Clippity Clippers.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: You know, like, hey, look.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: If they could bring a Seattle Supersonics, I would love that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: You know, like we had Gary Payton, Sean Kemp, Dat
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Left Shrimp, Kendall Gill, Nate McMillan.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: You know, those were... T-Arena, you know, those were the
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: great times.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: And I think the logo and the Sonics, even Ray
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Allen later on, Richard Lewis.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: It would be great for NBA to do that.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: The Clippers, since they built the stadium, man, I'm surprised
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: they haven't built the stadium, to be honest, because they
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: haven't been relevant.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: They got Kawhi Leonard, and he's usually just playing.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: They were going to build that stadium. You don't have
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: to why they did. Well, because they didn't want to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: play with the– there's nothing wrong with what they did there.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: They moved there from San Diego, handling out with the Lakers.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Now they got their own building. They're going to get
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: some great events, and it's across from SoFi.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: They knew what they were doing. There's money behind building
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: those stadiums.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, Scott.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: It's all about the money here. And like I said, Vegas, too,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I could definitely see that. I would probably see that
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: probably number one. I mean, look at the A's and
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: the MLB, what they did. You know, they're moving Sacramento
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: to Vegas. Will they do that in the NBA? We
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: shall see. I mean, it's exciting, but at the same time,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I... I couldn't believe it when Seattle
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: moved to OKC.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: So, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see. And, oh, man.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I did Clippers weren't really relevant since Lob City with
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And were they really?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, Lucas. Yeah, right.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: They just weren't horrendous at the time.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, second round knockout.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: They call it Sacktown for a reason. It's really trending
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: downwards for both the Kings and the Clippers, especially the
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: Clippers with all the Sterling stuff and Kawhi being.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: It's so messy.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I can't even.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: The one thing that's not messy is that Seattle fan
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: base for NBA because it just was stripped from them
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: and just left. Now you're just left you left a
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: whole fan base with a pretty cool logo and a
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: pretty cool just area for, for basketball.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: You have like, you have an expand, like they go
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: to Oklahoma city, you expect Seattle super science to root
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: for the Oklahoma city thunder.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: No, that's absurd.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: And, and for Las Vegas, that'd be great. I mean,
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know how many authentic fans they would have
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: because they have the all-star game every single year there. But, well,
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: not every single, but off and on. But, yeah, the
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: NBA fan base for Las Vegas is there. Because they've had, oh, gosh,
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: at least two all-star games before the Knights and the
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Raiders were a thing. So they're set. I mean, I'm
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: surprised they haven't pulled that trigger yet for Vegas to
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: be in the NBA. So that's only a matter of time.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: It's just I don't know about Vegas just having the
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: authentic flair that they do with the Raiders. It's still
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: the Raiders, like Las Vegas Raiders. It doesn't even spark stuff.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: I'm just worried about that fan base really being acclimated
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: to the sport itself. And it's kind of just an
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: adopting thing. It doesn't really have the signature flair that
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: Seattle does. Seattle has the flair. It's had the flair.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: It's just NBA said, no, we're out.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: We're not doing this.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: We're not making enough money here. We're going to go to.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: OKC. Okay.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Which sounds odd when you think about it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: NBA moved out of Seattle because they didn't have a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: good enough stadium to make enough money, and that's why
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: they moved to OKC.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Actually, I saw a game over at Key Arena, by
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the way, right near the Space Needle. Go ahead, Candy.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Can Seattle sustain a team?
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Can Las Vegas? Las Vegas has the G League for
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the Summer League, and they get and they are popular there.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Vegas can support, because obviously, look, we've seen that with
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the other sports that have now gone there. Plus, it's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: such a town that people go visit, and even when
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: they're visiting, they're going to go to these games because
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: they want to see the team play in Vegas. So
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: could I see these teams, those two cities, get expansion? Absolutely.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Do I think we should be moving... You know, the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: NBA is the National Drama League. You want to cause
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: more drama? Go for it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: They're going to expand, number one, because it costs to
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: get a franchise like $ 10 billion, and they want to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: be able to go ahead and get that money. They're
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: not looking to relocate. They're not making any money that way.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Now the question is, does Seattle have the money to
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: get it, or are they going to look at Mexico
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: City as a way to leverage Seattle to bump it
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: up a little bit? so that they can get on
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: pace with Vegas. Go ahead, Jason. Anything you want to
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: add to it?
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to add uh, George Carl. I was
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: able to have a phone conversation with him some years ago.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: He's a nice gentleman.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Uh, he talked to me and when he was with
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Milwaukee bucks, so, um, just, just the history of this,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: you know, like I said, like you said, the history
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: of this, uh, Seattle, it definitely, definitely is good stuff,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: but yeah, George was a great guy.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: Um, And he talked to me.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: He talked to me about when Ray Allen, when he
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: was on Milwaukee, wasn't even on Seattle yet. So just
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: a real nice guy. I was able to speak with
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: him about 10 minutes on a phone. And whenever he
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: was in town for the Pistons-Bucks game, just something I
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: wanted to add.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Well, that's fine. If you want to add, by all.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Means, do it. I just want to say I'm happy
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I was able to like totally steer the conversation away,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: kind of away from that to get to Sacramento and
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: then the Clippers. I'm very proud of myself. And I
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: got you all worked up there, Scott. So I was
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: happy about that, too. But yeah, I really think, like
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: I said, I'm OK with Seattle and Vegas getting teams.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I think they'll do wonderfully. I think it's great. I
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: just don't want expansions.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like hammering you, Cliff. I got done
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: with Dave Doran. I'm going to have you, of course.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He'll be our feature topic tonight, so it is a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: fitting situation. You know, John obviously is down for health reasons,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: but he'll be on tomorrow, but it's okay. We need
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: him to save his death leave for tomorrow anyway. But,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I have the right group for the Dave
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Doran situation. First year, we got Mr. Ranner and a
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: guy that sold them, and, of course, Candy had front
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: row seat. Jason's going to enjoy what's coming his way.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Anybody else have any thoughts about the expansion topic or
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: ready to move on?
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: I believe that Vegas is going to be the only
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: top 40 market, well, just like outside of the top
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: 40 TV market that has every single major sport.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I think it has more to do with the tourism,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: and they do know how to put on a show.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I went to a hockey game there, and they do
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: a real great job with that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: So from the standpoint of the experience, they know how
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: to put on a show. And I think it'll do great.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I know they're going to have the arena like it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: supposed to be right across from Mandalay Bay, which is
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: still going to be right next to the baseball stadium.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: And the hockey arena is very close. Everything's going to
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: be very, very close. It's all that same area. It's
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: all going to be super close to each other, all
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: the four stadiums, arenas.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Very, very close. So they're going to have.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: So they're going to have Allegiant Stadium, T-Mobile Park, the
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: A's baseball stadium, and then another stadium?
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: It's all in that same area, yeah. It's like the
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: other day. Allegiant is across the highway from like the
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Mandalay Bay. The other side of it is going to
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: be the basketball. And like the basketball, it's like, Then
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the baseball stadium's there. And then you've got to go
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit over. But it's all like walking distance.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I've walked all in that area. It's in walking distance.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: All four of the stadiums are in walking distance of
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: each other. It's a good little walk, but it's not that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: It's definitely walking distance. All of them.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: They wouldn't make T-Mobile Arena just for basketball and hockey.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought so too, but they plan on doing
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: a separate NBA thing right across the street.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Well, they will at work. They will eventually, but if
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: they're going to go anywhere, they'll start at T-Mobile.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Probably, but I've already seen the things that's where they
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: want to put it, right? It's going to be like
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: right next to the baseball team, right across the street
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: from Mandalay Bay.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Okay. All right.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Sam.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Everybody all set on that one?
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: So over the summer, obviously we just got done with
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the World Cup, but it was interesting to see a
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: lot of, These games being played in NFL stadiums. What
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: are your thoughts about the fact that they did play
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: in the stadiums? I'll list the stadiums off one by one.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: You had them played in Boston Stadium. Obviously, you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that's where the Patriots are at. And then you have
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Stadium. They refused to use commercialization. And you had
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay Area Stadium. And you had Kansas City Stadium.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You have Dallas Stadium is on there, where obviously we
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: know it's a Cowboys place. And let me continue going
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: through the list. Then you have New York, New Jersey Stadium.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You have Los Angeles Stadium, Seattle Stadium, Miami Stadium, Atlanta Stadium,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Houston Stadium, and there you have it. All right, Cliff,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: let's talk about the fact that they played in all
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: these respective stadiums. Anyone stand out to you?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I like watching them all there. I was upset that
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: the Giants didn't keep the grass because they have all
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: these problems with turf and everybody's getting hurt. I'm like,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: just keep the grass.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Keep it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: It looks wonderful.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: What are you doing?
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I'm going, Oh, we got to go back to the turf. Like, yeah,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: that's great. Everyone keeps getting hurt.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Um, no, I liked it. I liked seeing the grass
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: on those stadiums. I thought it worked real well. Um,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know why I know. I mean, it's, there's both,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: they're both running up and down and you know, I, I,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why you can't keep it.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I liked it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I liked the way they had this, the stadium with
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: the grass looked nice. Um, I just didn't get why
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: they didn't keep, at least the Giants didn't keep it
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: with it. So, hey, I thought it worked really well.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I thought it worked very well. I think they did
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: a great job with it. You know, everybody should have grass.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: This turf thing is just, I mean, they're NFL teams.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like, if it's extra money or whatever, spend the
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: extra money. You're like the most profitable league in the world.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Why not, you know?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: The turf, it just gets players injured. You always see
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: this turf toe or, you know, of course, locally here,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: we heard what happened to Billy Sims.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: So with the turf, so.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: I like the grass concept. Dallas and Houston, I mean,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: that's good. I mean, they're going to play at AT
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: & T Stadium. Houston has Reliance Stadium. Seattle could be
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: a big draw as well. But, I mean, I do
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: like the whole grass concept as well. Like, man, even
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Detroit here, we're always going to have The turf, the Silverdome,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: we had the turf. Now we've got the turf at
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Ford Field, you know, that kind of stuff.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: So, I don't know.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: I kind of like the grass, too, in some ways
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: because we're just so used, you know, for Detroit was
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: always used to turf.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, those cities will do well in that. I
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: like the grass. I do like that grass concept.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: God, man, the players, they just get hurt. So easily,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: they're just nagging injuries, and it just keeps players out
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: for a long time.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Lucas.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're making those fields multi-use. Some of those stadiums
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: haven't seen another sport ever play, and you're continuing the
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: revenue for that area, which is dead during the summer,
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: which is they're loving it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Bring it in.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: They're bringing in more people. They're bringing in people who
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: have never been to that stadium before. They're wanting to
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: just give tours of it. It's a welcoming environment for them,
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: for a lot of people. It was awesome to see that.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: Just to blank out all the sponsors and just to
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: have it a neutral site was phenomenal. I loved every
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: moment of it. You can see by just the textural
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: architectural points of Oh, that's the Jumbotron for Gillette Stadium.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Even though they've taken off the billboard, you can still
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: see where it was. I love what they did with that, though.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: It was such a good product placement for that, even
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: though you're taking away the product. You're actually bringing in
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: more product and bringing in more revenue for them. It
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: was phenomenal. That was the best thing that fifa could
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: have done in the situation even though there's a lot
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: of things that fifa did and the situations that were
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: just whoa okay but i get it it's you got
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: to bring in some kind of revenue but yeah i
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: loved every minute of it because it's just it was
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: good for all the stadiums and good for the areas
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: to have more traction because i mean most of those
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: places are just football stadiums and they don't get any
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: other use and Sometimes it's just concerts that come by there.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: We have other sports come through there. It's glorious for
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: a lot of people. It brings more energy, continues the
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: energy throughout the year.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you made a great point there, Lucas. And I'll
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: tell you the point that I really liked about what
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: you said. In fact, we all know they're going to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: get used eight, nine times a year. But the fact
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: that they got used, you got a few more uses
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: out of them because of the World Cup. I think
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: that's where you really nailed it. Go ahead, Candy.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: You know, some of these stadiums are almost iconic, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: to put grass in them was great. Why you didn't
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: stay with it, why you made the expense of having
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to pull the grass back out and change it, I
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: didn't understand.
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It be for a while. The first couple of games,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: if then it gets real torn up or anything like that,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: then take it out and put. But I also get
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: that some of these stadiums in order, it's sad. You
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: build a stadium and you only play in it once
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: a week and then it sits empty for the rest
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: of the time. So I like the fact that they're
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: using them for other things. I know some of them
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: use them for like concerts and to bring some of
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: that equipment, it has, it can't be real grass because
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: you would ruin the grass. But I think it was cool.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I think it was great because you had bigger crowds,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: a lot more people could see the games than playing
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: in some of these soccer stadiums, at least over here.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I know some of the soccer stadiums outside the U.S.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: are big, but around here they're not. So I thought
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: that was cool. I just wish they wouldn't have had
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: to change back to go away from the grass.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I got an idea about that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Is this an NFL thing? Like the reason why they
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: go back to turf? Like, why the heck do they go?
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, the grass is so much more forgiving. It
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: just allows the players to just play the game instead
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: of you're on turf and you're risking so much injury.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: It is a huge issue for knees. It's just like, yeah,
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: you're going to tear every single bit of muscle in
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: your knees or your ankle. It's such a health hazard
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: to have these to have these fields turfed out.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: It's terrible.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I have an idea about this, and it's probably not feasible,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: but they have retractable roofs, right? They have retractable fields.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, if I have the roof, and then you
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: can cultivate the grass, keep it special. It's the NFL.
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: They make so much money.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: You have that in Arizona. That's how they wheel the
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: field in.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: And out they do that they wheel in the grass.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: I wonder how the groundskeepers crew feels about all this
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: and having to tear everything out and then you go
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: back to turf and then they go back to.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: They don't get paid either way they're getting paid they're
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: loving it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: Right yeah i mean heck especially in um basketball arenas.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: And like, for example, on my birth, gosh, this was
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: two years ago. I wanted to go to Raleigh for
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: my birthday and just to film an NC State basketball game.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: They were playing Clemson and I had no idea that
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: the Hurricanes were playing afterwards. So I just didn't leave.
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: So I just camped up in a suite that was
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: upstairs in my former work and no one said anything
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: to me. And I just watched as they revealed the ice.
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: That was the coolest moment of my life. That was
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: the best birthday present I could have given to myself ever.
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: So it was really cool. And they're just, I mean,
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: it's dozens and dozens of workers that are just, it's,
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: the team effort makes it that, makes it worth it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: It's such a, what is it? It's a huge assembly
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: line that's like working together to make it possible. It's
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: really cool to see.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, you guys tackled that topic as
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: well as I've seen you guys tackle it. You guys
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: ate it up immediately. That's awfully good. But I got
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: news for you. They made good use out of those stadiums.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: They really, really did. It was good to see packed
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: houses and all of them. But the thing that you
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: guys didn't nail it on, which compared to the world
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: stadiums are, they got a lot of good luxury suites
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: in there as well, and they're able to appeal to
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: the corporate level. But you guys ate this topic up,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm impressed with every last one of you. Great stuff,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: everybody on this group. Okay, let's talk about another possible– well,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a soccer stadium, but maybe I
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: wonder if the Michigan Panthers will wind up there. But
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: the construction of Alumni Field in Detroit, or Detroit City
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Football Club, is going to be delayed, and they're targeting
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: a spring 2028 opening and a possible place where the
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Michigan Panthers return. Cliff, what are your thoughts about the
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Michigan Panthers possibly returning to Michigan in that soccer field?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Michigan Panthers, I remember. Yeah, I remember that was the–
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Wasn't that the USFL? Yeah. They were the first USFL
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: bowl or the USFL championship game, if I remember. It
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: was against the Philadelphia Stars, I believe. That was the
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: very first one.
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Michigan Panthers. That would be great. That would be absolutely
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: great to see. That brings me back. Oh, man. Because
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I remember I was a big USFL fan. Back then
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: and I didn't I didn't like what they did when
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: they did that whole UFL thing now They don't have
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: the USFL and I was excited to see it and
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: it wasn't the same course It wasn't the same never
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: is But yeah, that's great to see that's great to
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: see that they're doing that I just hope they can
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: they can get their act together and get that all
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: situated I know that there's so many complicated factors there
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: with money this nice coding and that code and that
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: you know it's it's always a hassle when you're dealing
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: with any sort of government things and Money, trying to
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: get money to get going with that. So that's probably
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing, the biggest obstacles with stuff like that,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: and tends to be a lot of the time. But
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: it'll be great to see. I'd love to see the
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Michigan Panthers be out there again. That was always neat
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: to see. I remember that so long ago when I
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: was much, much younger. We're talking about, what, 40 years now? Yeah,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: we're 40 years ago.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually covered the 1984 USFL championship game in
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Tampa pretty much. And I remember the Michigan Panthers. You
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: know what I remember about him? Andy Canavino's on Tuesday
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: night on Inside the Piction. He's my regular football analyst
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: along with Melfar Jr. And he played on those Panthers teams.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: He's on there every Tuesday night at 8.30 p.m. Eastern time.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Anything else you want to add to it, Cliff?
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: No, no, that's got me. You got me thinking about
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: the Michigan Panthers.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad. Okay, because I already had enough
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: of your L.A. Clippers crap.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, you loved it. And you loved every second of it.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you were waiting for me to go ahead
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: and blow up sooner or later. It's been a while
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: since I whacked you anyway. Go ahead, Jason.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you whacked me. Okay.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I did whack you.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, Scott. Let Jason talk. All good.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: Hey.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: 1983 USFL champions, Bobby Hebert, Anthony Carter, I think was
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: on that team, I believe. I think it's a good
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: thing for the city. Will they gain enough interest?
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: So, from what I understand, they walked away from Ford
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Field because it was costing them like a half a
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: million dollars per game.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, and that many.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: And they're going to build a Southwest Detroit. They said
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: are right around 15,000 seats. It couldn't be able to
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: do it in Ford field. There's just too many, too many, uh,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: the 65,000. If, if they didn't tear the palace down,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: they could have probably used it there. It was the
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: state of the art stadium. Now it's some, uh, piston
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: automotive over here now.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: Um, I don't know.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a good thing. They
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: still have the license. The UFL still has the license
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: for the Panthers. I like it as far as FC.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember the Detroit Neon. They
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: played there from 94 to 96. They were averaging at
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: that time without, you know, internet and all the advertisements,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: about 9,000 fans. So I don't know. I was the
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: younger guy back in the early.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: 90s, but.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but, you know, I wasn't able, I wasn't quite
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: old enough for the 1980, 83, 84.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: However, I.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Do like the cards. I remember those days with the
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: War Moon, Jim Kelly. You know, I like that. I
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: like those.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Steve Young, USFL. I collected a lot of those, but
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: As far as.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: I'd love to see it, I don't know where they
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: would put it, though, Scott. I'm not sure where they
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: would actually put a stadium like that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I already told you. I mean, this is Alumni Field,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: which is right by Southwest Hospital. They tore that down.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: They're building it.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: That's what I said.
• 58:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: It's the corner of Michigan Avenue and 20th Street, former
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Southwest Detroit Hospital.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where the Detroit City Football Club is
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: going to play. That's where they're going to put it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: My grandfather was actually in that hospital when he had
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: a heart attack, believe it or not, because he had
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: a furniture store right nearby, but it's called Camp Furniture.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, though. That's where they would put it. But
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Okay.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: So just like, I mean, even Rochester, you know, they
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: built that Jimmy John's Stadium.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: Something of that nature. I like what they, I like it.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, if it brings in more fans for FC
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: for soccer, we'll, we'll see.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: I love what they're doing. I think, I think soccer
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: is game.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: A lot more momentum obviously than you know 30 years
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: ago whatever.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Okay all right go ahead lucas yeah it just brings
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: it expands sports in detroit for sure it brings uh
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: cork town into another uh Another relevance now, now that
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Tiger Stadium.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Has been destroyed for, what, another, like, not 40 years. Sorry. 20,
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: 30 years. Bring back this 40 element. Bring back this
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: 40 element that was stripped away. So, I mean, you have, what,
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: the Little Caesars Arena and I'm still going to come
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: to America Park.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Well, Lucas, let me tell you what
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: they did do with Tiger Stadium. They actually rebuilt it
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: into a pal facility called the Corner Ballpark is what
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: they did. So they restored some of the baseball tradition there,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and it really does look pretty cool. But, yeah, so
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to let you know about them in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: case you didn't know.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: Okay, because I remember, I mean, obviously they tore down
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: the actual structure of Tiger Stadium. Now that they're preserving
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: the actual foundation, that's good. I want to say I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: went down there in eighth grade to see a Tigers
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: and Giants game.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: I remember my dad pointing it out.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's cool.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: I remember seeing Al Kaline play there. I'm like, this
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: is cool. It would bring back that culture. It's not baseball,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: but I mean, it's a professional sport. You're bringing back
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: something that was missed.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, they won't win anything.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Is it a rough part? Is it
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: a rough part of town? Kind of?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Sort of?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Not really? Some parts of it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, it'd probably help in that retrospect to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: kind of bring something to allow them to have some fun.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and also just spread the sports of Detroit throughout downtown.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: So even though it's not like in the center, center
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: of downtown, it spreads out to Corktown. So cool.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: Great.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: Hey, Candy.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: So groundbreaking actually took place July 15th of 2026. The
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: demolition of the old Southwest Detroit Hospital and cleanup of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: the deep 25 to 30 foot basement are complete. The
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: site has been backfilled, leveled and transitioned to above ground work,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: including the installation of vertical steel street support beams and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: structural pillars using cranes and heavy machinery. The project cost
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: and scope is estimated at $ 200 million for the total
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: stadium district district. which also include the 421-space parking garage
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: and 104-unit residential building, 76 units designated as affordable housing.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: And it's scheduled to open spring of 2028. Scheduled. Let's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: see if that happens, but yes.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: All right, we've got our feature topic coming up shortly,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: but I'll tell you one thing. The Michigan Wolverines did
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: feel betrayed when Jerome Moore had that fallout. So the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: real question is, the panel, we don't have to go
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: spend a lot of time with it, but Cliff, do
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: you think at some point Jerome Moore will ever get
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: another coaching job?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't say never. There's so many schools
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: out there. You know, it's so many schools that might
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: be struggling, not be as big a name as they were.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, so somebody, none of the big programs,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: but I think some smaller school to get some buzz
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: would probably hire them.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. Jason, what are your thoughts? We don't
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: have to make it a long one, but what are
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: your thoughts?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I don't see it happening. Not anytime soon.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Only because of everything that happened with the local television
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: and just the bad press. I hope he does get
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: back to a respectable level. Everybody makes mistakes. But at
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: the same time, as far as that, maybe high school
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: or junior college, possibly.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: But I don't see it happening. At least give it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: some time. But you never know. Sports is weird.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: But right now you don't see it happening. Is that correct?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: I don't see it happening.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just....
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a tough situation there.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: Literally the only reason that I think that he's going
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: to find a job is with a high school that
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: hasn't won a game in like 15 years.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: And they need somebody.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: They need a body. And they're going to still tell him, hey,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: You can't do what you did at Michigan. They're going
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: to tell him straight up. He is a short fuse.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: Unless he has proven that he is a changed man
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: and he is able to actually show that he has
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: learned from his lessons, no one should touch him with
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: a A hundred yard pole.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I like that. You're not going to stop and stop
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: because you won't stop what you just said. That was good.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: I'm a Michigan fan right here.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding with you. That was good. That was good.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'll say. No way. Jose, he
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: ain't getting a job anywhere. No. All right, Candy, go ahead.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: You don't need nine million packs on this one. But
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: if you want them, you can have them. Come on, Danny.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: So what I'm going to say is I'm going to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: disagree with you, Scott. I think he's going to get
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: hired someplace else because I think there's going to be
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: a team that's going to overlook his personal problems. And yes,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: I think they will.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, guess what? Update. Brewers four, Braves nothing. Wow. Okay.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: There you go. You're a few hours away from your
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: first championship from there. We talked about last year in
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: the NFL postseason, you didn't have Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: or Patrick Mahomes. Can you believe it was the first
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: season since 1998 that that didn't happen? 27 years of
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: his course has changed. Is that surreal or what, Cliff?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is kind of amazing. It's such a small
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: group of quarterbacks there. But I mean, and when you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: really think about it, I mean, it's well, no. Yeah,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: it's it's it is kind of crazy. I mean, and
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: the only reason Mahomes didn't make is because they were
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: just didn't they were not good enough, which is. Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: I know that was weird. But yeah, they didn't make it.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: They were bad that one year. Um, so yeah, it's, yeah,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: I know Manning and Brady and cause Brady never like retired.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: He took him forever to retire, to retire. He's like,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: what was it?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: 45, 46.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: He's still playing with the, he's still playing with the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Buccaneers and won the super bowl. Look at that. Um,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: but yeah, Manning and then Manning, he was on the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Colts and then he was on the Broncos and he's,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: he's doing all sorts of things there. Um, and then
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: you got Mahomes, uh, it's, it's, it is kind of crazy.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: I think Mahomes will be back. I think he's got
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: a shot this year to be back. They're definitely better
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: than they were last year. And, yeah, it'll be good
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: to see. It'll be good to see him back. But, yeah,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: it is kind of insane that all three of those guys,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: especially in football, you know, but that just says how
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: good the teams were, you know, that they, you know,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: all of those teams, but between them throughout that time,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: that they could just constantly be there.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Brady and Manning, I mean, we've seen
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: this so much, and just how consistent they were on
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: good teams, the Colts, the Patriots, the Buccaneers, the Broncos.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: You know, like, they just, they had it, and they
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: had the players around them. Even Mahomes now, he's got
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker. They didn't have a running game last year, so,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: and they built up their offensive line again. Now Walker,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: he's like, he's Other than the game the other night,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: they lost to Seattle. But he's on a tear right now. So, yeah,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Kansas City's trying to get back. And I was speaking
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: to a few people about that. That Kansas City, like, oh,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: they're down now.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: They're not going to win. No, they will win. They're back.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: They're back.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: They got Xavier Worthy. They got Kelsey still older, but
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: he's still decent. But as far as other quarterbacks, you know,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: it was a great era. You know, it was a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: great era. Brady Manning. and, you know, Tom Brady goes
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: distinct freaking Tampa and wins the Superbowl there. Um, you know,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: it's just, I was like, I was like, man, is
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: this like George Blanda out here? Cause he, he played
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: till he was like near 50 years old. So, Yeah,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: it was definitely, we're moving into a new era now.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Sam Darnold for Seattle. I'm not sure if they're going
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: to get back there now because they're struggling a little.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: Bit without Walker.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: So definitely a team game, but yeah, we're just moving
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: into a different era. It's exciting to see, but at
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: the same time, we saw, you know, three, well, two
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: great quarterbacks, and Mahomes is still playing, so good stuff.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Lucas.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: John Elway's not a good quarterback? I'm just kidding. Anyways, yeah,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, year in, year out, you just have Brady, Manning, Brady, Manning, Brady, Manning, Brady, Manning, Brady, Mahomes? Whoa, okay,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: let's Mix it up.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Jeez, come on.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: Like, let's, I mean, people want to see it, but
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: at the same time, it's just like a broken, for
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: people who want some interesting, just sports to watch. Like,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: you don't want to see this every single time. Like,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: cause you know, Brady's going to, Brady's going to, come
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: through and sometimes Peyton's going to break through one time
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: and it's going to be, oh my gosh, he made
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: it happen.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: Twice, both times he got to the Super Bowl and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: won it. To help the end, Rex Grossman going up
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: against him. I can't believe it.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: That was an ugly Super Bowl.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: That was unbelievable. I don't know how the Bears didn't
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: win it. I'm just kidding. But, yeah, it just became
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: a broken record. And now it's who's next? I would
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: love to see Bo Nix and Brock Purdy go after it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: That would be really cool.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix is having issues.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: I'm having a little bias issues here. We'll send it
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: off to Katie.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: We're talking about three Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Let's face it,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: all three of those. Mahomes, Brady, Peyton Manning. It's hard
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to find quality quarterbacks that are durable that will last
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the test of time because it's not just a quarterback
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: that you need. You need the rest of the position.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: You need a good offensive line. You need good receivers.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: You need good running back. It's a team sport, but
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: those guys had good teams behind them, which helped them.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Will we see a longevity like that again? I don't know.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think so. Because in today's day
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: and age, if you don't win now, they're going to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: move on from you. And they're very quick to move
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: on from people. Unless you're Tua. They held on to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: him for way too long, and he's even now on
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: a different team.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: He's a mess.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: And he's still falling apart.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. But it also speaks to... The
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: talent that's out there and recognizing the talent that's out there.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: You know, you look at, and I'm going to say this,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Mario Cristobal. He's a great recruiter. He's done how many
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: good quarterbacks? You know, Cam Ward, Carson Beck, and now
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Darian Mensah. He's had good quarterbacks. He's had good offensive
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: coordinators and quarterback coaches to skill them up as well
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: to propel them. Does that mean that they're having success
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: in the NFL? Obviously, Cam Ward, no. And Carson Beck,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: they both went to bad teams because they were so good.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: So it definitely depends on the whole team around you
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Hey, Lucas, of all the quarterbacks you mentioned, by the way,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: John Elway was my favorite in the group. So I'll
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: leave it at that.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Oops, sorry.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Jason.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what? Those are good mentions with Carson Beck.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: You know, Tyler Shuck, I think he's going to be
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: really good. I'm not sure if he's going to be
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: able to beat, obviously, Drew Brees.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: Drew Brees is.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Definitely an honorable mention, but Tyler Shock, he looks pretty
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: good so far, I think.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: Nobody but fantasy owners of him knew that he was
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: able to do this. Yeah. Not a damn soul.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: If I would.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Have said, oh, this new New Orleans quarterback is going
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: to be– he's going to be all right. He's going
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: to do well. I would have been like, yeah, okay, sure.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we saw Tyler Shunk. Candy and I saw
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Tyler Shunk last year when he was third. He's a
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: pretty good player. He really is. I like what they're
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: doing over there. All right, let's go to our featured
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: topic of the night. Everybody's been waiting for it anyway,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: especially Lucas. Of all people, I'm sure when you look
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: and say, hey, this is our night, man. This is
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Scott and I. This is our game. So, obviously, by now,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: everybody knows that North Carolina State football coach Dave Dorn
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: has been fired. And Dave and I are not considered friends.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: I won't be sending him a birthday card. He won't
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: be sending me one. And he was fired. And Lucas
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: was there when I unloaded on the guy, right? I mean,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: I went off on him really, really good. I'm not
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: going to beat up on the guy now. But let's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: face it, I think he was an underachieving coach. He
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: really was. And he certainly handled the media poorly. If
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: he got beat, he didn't mind taking his frustrations out.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Lucas saw it firsthand, right, that this guy didn't mind
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: making a complete idiot out of himself with the media.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: With me, though, he picked the wrong guy, and I
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: got even with him. And now he's unemployed by Halloween.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Thank goodness the Lord was looking at me. I had
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: a great day Saturday. Milwaukee won. Who else won that day, Katie?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: I got Dorn, or Dorn got fired. What else did
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: we have that day that won? We had a lot
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: of winners.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin beat USC.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Wisconsin won. Yeah, we had three or four wins there,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: but Dave Dorn was the one that stood out for me.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: And anyway, Katie, why don't you give some stats on
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Dave Dorn? I think the guy needs to chill out
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years. In his contract, the safety
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: has to be looking for a job. I don't really
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: know where he'll get one, and I won't talk about
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: his job situation. I think he should go to the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: NFL as an assistant or go to any of the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: minor leagues. But he'll never get a power forward job
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: ever again because we saw after 13 years he didn't
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: get the job done at State. Candy, give me some
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: stats on it, and then we'll play the tape and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: we'll let everybody comment on it.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: His overall head coaching record is 121-77. In bowl games,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: he's 5-6. He coached for Northern Illinois and then North
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Carolina State. At North Carolina State overall, he was 98
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: and 73. In the conference, he was 52 and 57.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: At Northern Illinois, he had a lot of success. Overall,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: he was 23 and 4, and then he was 15
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: and 1 in conference. And then he went to North
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Carolina State, and he wasn't as successful.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Right, never won it. He never won 10 games and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: never took him to an ACC championship game, and that's
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: where I lost my cool with this guy when we
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: went out there and had ACC kickoff. I certainly heard
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit about it in Miami, and I had
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: to sit in the penalty box for a few games
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: until he– but I can only imagine what I'm going
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: to look like when I go back there now that
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Bozo was fired on Halloween. I never used to celebrate
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Halloween before. It was nothing of his fault, but I'm
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: going to start celebrating it now because– Not only did
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: I get a trick, I got a treat because Doran
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: is unemployed. Go ahead, Candy, go to the tape. Hold on.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I thought I was right there. I thought you had
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: the first question, Scott.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Coach, follow the center aisle up towards the back right side.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Coach Doran, I think you know who I am. But anyways,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the way your season ended
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: last year. I know you had a tough loss in Miami,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: but you rebounded nicely.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 10: And I repeat, rebounded nicely by winning out the way
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 10: you did.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: You won the old game, though you did it in
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: convincing fashion, right? So when you look at the fact
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: that you said a mouthful during your opening statement where
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: you don't want to finish second anymore, You want to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: finish first, but I know you haven't finished first in
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: your time with the ACC. How much would it be
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: important for you to not only win an ACC title,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: but get to 10 wins and talk about some of it.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: guys that you brought in that will take a 7-5
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: record to try to get you to where you want
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 10: What's the question is, is this, okay, how far, how
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: much progress have you made during the offseason to try
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: to reach some of your goals to improve the football
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 10: team from just mediocre but to a lot better and
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 10: elite status in the ACC?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Because you obviously have a loaded conference. Yeah, I think
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: we've made a lot of progress. In the second.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: Year of our system defensively, for those of you that
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 9: were around our team know that defensively we went through
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 9: a lot last year. One thing when you change schemes
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: from a 3-3 to a 3-4, have a new coordinator,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 9: new language, new players.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: And then to go through what we did with Coach Elliott.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 9: And his family and his boss, it was very challenging.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: And then to have nine defensive starters injured throughout the season,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 9: very challenging. Fast forward that, we got a lot better
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 9: on defense the last five weeks. And there's a lot
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: of momentum, and we've recruited well on that side of football.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 9: Super excited about the returners we have and the additions.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: And the biggest area of improvement, to answer your question, defensively,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 9: is our pass rush. We gotta get quarterbacks getting rid
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 9: of the football before they want to. We gotta have
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: more sacks, more forced fumbles, more interceptions because of pass rush.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 9: And so we've added some pieces that we're excited to see.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 9: That's what training camp is going to be about. It's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: going to be about seeing what Harvey Dyson is going
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: to be like. We saw him in the spring. We
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: got a chance to sample what he is, but ball
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: camp is a lot different than spring football because you're
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 9: on the field every day. Really excited about the competitive
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: depth in the secondary. Last year in the big game,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 9: we had four freshmen playing in that game. We had
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 9: eight different starters throughout the year in the back end
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: because of injuries.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: They're all back.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: So now you have a lot of competitive depth. And
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: so those things are important.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: And, you know, last year I think we went into
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 9: a lot of games thinking we were going to have
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: to outscore people. And that's not normal for us. This
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: has been a program that's played really, really good defense
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: over the years. Getting back to where we're not just
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: outscoring people, but we're stopping people. And when we need
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 9: to lean on a stop, we can. And so that's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 9: what this spring's been about. We've had a lot of players.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 9: And so, you know, if there's one in particular you
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: want to ask about, I'm happy to talk about it.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: Coach, your next question, left side. Okay, so there you
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: have it. Okay. I didn't understand my question as I
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: said it before, then my repeating it a little bit. But, Lucas,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: you were there with me, okay? Let's face the reality.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: First of all, what are your thoughts about the way
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: I addressed this guy? Accurate.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: You called him out on what his.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Record has been.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: And you said, hey, what are you going to do
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: to actually make your team worth what you're preaching? Are
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: you going to be able to make this team something
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: in the ACC? Because what do you got going on
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: for your record? What do you got to show for it?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: Because there's really nothing. And he gave you a very
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: PR answer and just like, And before I go into
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: a rant about him, I want to say that Doran
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: knows how to interact with players. He knows how to
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: get involved. He knows how to create a great chemistry
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: with all of his players.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: And his fans and.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: The state in general, the base that they got. They
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: love this guy. They really did. Up until last year,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: or heck, even a couple of years ago, they were like,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: all right, Now you've got to start winning. We've been
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: behind you for this freaking long, and you have been
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: the face of NC State for, what, 10 years it
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: feels like? More than that? Do something, man. Get something going.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: And I hate saying this because I really do respect
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: Dave Dorn, but the ACC owned this guy. he could
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: not get anything going in the ACC. His record shows it.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: He has a winning record, overall record with NC State,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: and his overall coaching record is a winning record, but man,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: you really don't know how to play in the ACC.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: If you're not able to play in the ACC, you
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: need to You need to step on down to, like, heck,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: Chattanooga or something. Like, go somewhere where, I mean, maybe
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: that's a little bit of a far stretch. But, I mean,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: Northern Illinois, maybe that's your peak, man. I don't know.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, I hate to say it because, I mean,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: whenever I think of NC State football, I really do
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: think of Dave Dorn. I see his face. It's just like,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: it just screams NC State football. But I have a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: lot of friends who are NC State fans, and they're
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: just like, what are you doing, man? We're waiting. We're
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: diehard Wolfpack fans, and we're tired of this crap.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you, do you feel that my
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: questions were appropriate in the manner that I addressed them?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Because he does have a sarcastic side. And have you
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: noticed the fact that he does treat the media pretty
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: poorly with his salty behavior?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, he 100% treats the media with salty behavior because
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: he brought up just the record that he has and
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: the inability that he was able to– the inability that
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: he's had over the past couple of years to bring
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: an adequate performance.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's going to say, oh, I think we've had
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: a pretty good defense. We brought in some young guys,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: some young freshmen, and just, like, In retrospect, from his
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: point of view, he's right. And from his coach's point
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: of view, he's right. But answering your question, he didn't
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: do that. He didn't do that at all. He's just
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: trying to find the PR thing to get him going
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: that will just... Yeah, it's just going to not get
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: him in trouble. And the media is just going to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: take the hit for it because you're not going to
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: get the... Your question's not going to be answered at all, frankly.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing I tried to do with him was
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: I tried to pin him with that 10-win figure. He
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: hadn't gotten to that level, and he never got to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: the ACC championship game. And I think that as time
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: goes on, as I started looking at the media, and
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: obviously you and I both know, having been there, that
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: this thing was being streamed all over the place. And
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: don't think that my words didn't resonate through the administration
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: and everything else that they picked up on the two things,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: the 10 wins, you haven't won a championship. And that
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: ultimately led to his undoing. Would you agree?
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he tuned out as soon as you said that.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: He just said, he said whatever he was going to,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: um what do you what what he already had planned
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: to say as far as the planning behind it he
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: didn't he wasn't going to answer your question as soon
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: as that that was brought up because it would have
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: triggered something angry or an anger an angry emotion in
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: him and that would have led to a confrontation and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: he that's that's one thing that he's going to avoid
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: he's just going to give you a He's just not
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: going to answer your question. He's blatantly going to not
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: answer your question.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: You're right. He did a good job dodging it. But
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: had he copped an attitude this time, when I had
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: to deal with in Miami, okay, I would have come
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: at him like a ball of fire. Because before I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: was unprepared for his ways of doing things. But when
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: you do. Fool me once, shame on me. I mean,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: fool me once, shame on you. But fool me twice,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: no way. And I was waiting for him to come
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: after it because I was ready. Candy will even tell
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: you that I had been building for a lot of years,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: a long time. And I think he backed into my corner, though,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: when I hit the 10 wins on him, right? In
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: addition to the fact that he had won an ACC title.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: He can't deny that. And he knows he can't. And
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: that's what I think subsequently happened. Kauffman, now, you've filmed
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: this guy a lot. Did you see him have lots
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: of confrontational moments with the media? Whenever he saw a camera,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: he's just like....
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: I was trying to get some ISO shots of him
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: at the App State game. And I tried to make
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: it obvious I was getting him because I want to
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: get front facing. And whenever I pointed the camera at him,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: he was either just like acting nervous or just like
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: turning away or just one thing that NC State does
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: that not too many, if any, college programs do is
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: they do strictly press conferences.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Through Zoom.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: No one else is allowed in there. They've done that
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: since COVID. That's it. They don't allow anyone and the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: only way you can get the stream press conference it's
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: through a Zoom link. I want to say that is
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: a Dave Dorn thing. It's like Oh, no, I'm not
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: going to deal with their crap. There's no way. We're
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: going to keep it this way. There's no way. NC
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: State basketball does not do that. They allow media to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: come in. Football does not. Football, they still only allow
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: the coach and probably a player personnel to be inside
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: of that room and to record it. It's really screwed up.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: I don't like it at all because the Zoom link
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: looks like crap.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: That's just me.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: So you're saying they don't allow the media in there
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: for him. It's all Zoom only. Right. Wow. Yeah, I
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: personally think that I hate the guy. You know, I've
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: been very adamant about it. I think that if he
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: what he needs to do over the next two or
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: three years, because he's going to be paid X amount
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: of dollars. He needs to just go out there and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: you know what? He'll never get another power forward job
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: because the fact that he had 13 plus years to
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: do it. If he's lucky, he'll get a group of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: six job or he needs to go to the NFL, UFL,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: or anywhere else. I can't see him ever getting another
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: power forward job. Do you?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: Maybe with the– he went to high school in Kansas.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: So that's the only place where I feel like he's
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: going to try to find a spot. Maybe Kansas State
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: or– I mean, Kansas, there's no way, in my opinion,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 6: a Big 12 school is going to hire him. I
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: don't think so. And he might have a chance at
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: some– because Wichita State doesn't have a football program. I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: just– yeah, it's going to be somewhere over there that's
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: going to– he has ties too, but it's not going
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: to be– SEC school. It's not going to be an
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: ACC school. It's not even going to be a Big
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: 12 school or definitely not a Big 10 school. He
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: might get an assistant job with one of those spots,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: but he's not going to be leading the realm for
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: a while.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, you are dead right. I think
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: I could see him as an assistant somewhere. I could
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: see him maybe as an assistant in the NFL, the pros.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: All he has to do is coach because he's awful
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: when it comes to being behind the mic. His media
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: skills are absolutely bad, not because of me. I mean,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: I recovered fine, and I was able to get the
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: question I have. What a lot of people don't know
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: is I saw him before then, and I made sure
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: through the moderator I did get a question in. They
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: didn't like what he had done to me. But they said, no,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: you can go out there and confront the guy a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: little bit. But he needs to improve his media skills
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: because he's lucky he's in Raleigh. He really is. If
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: you go to a bigger market, they'd run you out
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: of there. And you're right, he doesn't care.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: He doesn't care. He's never cared. Ever since this– Hell,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: what was it? The bowl game in San Diego that
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: I think it was it was during COVID when they
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 6: went to San Diego and they didn't play and they
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: came back and there's a whole situation of I don't know.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: I forgot what he said or. what was going on,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: but it was something to do with, Oh, we, I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: don't care about what, what y'all are saying or any
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: of this BS is going on. And what I just
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: care about our fans. I care about my players. That's
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: all I care about. And he was really aggressive about it.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: He didn't really have any kind of, um, PR friendly
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 6: nature to him. It was very much like, it felt
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: like he, um, he was a representative of barstool. It
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: was that, um, just out of the ordinary as far
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: as media. It was really, really out of pocket, in
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: my opinion. I was like, oh, I see the real
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: Dave Doran now.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, you're right. It seems like he's always going
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: for those viral moments with the intent to try to
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: embarrass somebody is what he's trying to do, doesn't he?
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's viral, but he's just sick of.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: He's got this personnel that the media is out to
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: get him and the media is out to get everyone.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: And he's, he's pushing that narrative instead of trying to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: find a, a positive outlook on it. And instead of
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: a freedom of the press kind of thing, he's just,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: he has this narrative that it's out to get them
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: and that, that he should find other avenues. And he's just, it's, it's, it's,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: It is becoming common. It is becoming common with a
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: lot of coaches these days.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe you're right. I think you're right. Maybe the
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: media is trying to get him. He's not helping his cause.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: And obviously, his record bit him, especially when I hit
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: him with the 10-win number. I mean, let's face it.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: I hit him with– I mean, let's face it. You're
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: the 10– when you're telling a coach you've never won
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: 10 games, you've never won the ACC, whether he was
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: trying to deflect that or not, those numbers came out
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: of my mouth, as we all heard, right? And now
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: everybody's holding him accountable for it because the fan base
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: and everybody– waiting for that to happen and the administration
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: the athletic director saw at what point or another is
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: enough enough i'm not trying to put take credit for
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: myself but i did mention though that you heard so
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: did she and now these two have as well and
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: now you're asking the man to come up with a
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: standard that he's not capable of producing at that level
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: and and what's worse about it exists. And what we
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: haven't even talked about is the fact they had the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Music City meltdown, okay, where you can't even go ahead
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: and down the ball to win the game against what Vanderbilt.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: You get blown out by Virginia, okay, which was bad.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: You give up so many yards to Stanford, and the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: final one was the beating with Wake Forest, and you
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: barely beat Louisville, and you beat, what, Richmond and then
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Appalachian State. So, I mean.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: He hung himself before, what was he, three and four?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: There's no way he was going to even make eight
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: or nine wins, ten wins. And that's what, I think
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: the bar was being held with him, don't you think?
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's, NC State is such an average program. I mean,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: they're going up against, Wake Forest has really turned it
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: around this year with Gio Lopez. And Virginia is not awful.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: Tony Elliott has really turned that club around and made
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: them really, really good. I mean, they went to the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: ACC Championship last year. And then Louisville, I mean, they're
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: always hit or miss, but they're always right there. As
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: far as Stanford, ooh, buddy, you got to reconsider. You
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: really got to figure your stuff out because you can't
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: be losing to that team. You can't be losing to.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: Stanford, I would call Stanford Ivy League at this point
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: to me. I mean, I know they're not in the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: Ivy League per se.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: No, I know where you're going with that.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: It's just you expect– it's rare to have anyone prominent
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 6: out of Stanford football except Christian McCaffrey or John Elway.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: But other than that, you'll expect the Stanford– you need
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: to beat the crap out of Stanford if you're not capped.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: like that's that's kind of protocol if you're losing to
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: stanford and you're an acc team and you're a nc
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: state who's had um tory holt philip rivers um oh
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: my gosh i'm blanking on the super bowl champion of
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: pittsburgh steeler coach oh my gosh um Holy crap. Somebody
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: help me out.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. What are your overall
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: impressions of Dave Thorne? Do you like him or do
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: you dislike him?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: I love how he interacts with players. I love his
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: mentality within the players. He gets the player bond that's
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: good for the players. It gets them in the shape for,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 6: for their career and for their, for the next stage
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: of their life, because football is not going to be forever.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: He knows how to make that happen. And he knows
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: how to create good men out of NC state football.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: He knows how to do that. But as far as just.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Personality, make them a.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: Championship caliber team. He he's, He's not there yet. He
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: can't shine in that moment right now. He has a
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: lot to learn in that situation. I don't know how
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: old he is, but he really needs to find something
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: that's going to push him to the next level. Because
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, people are coming to NC state because of
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: Dane Doran and they're, you're going to have some great,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: you're going to learn some great human characteristics from this guy.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: You're going to learn how to be a real man
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: with this guy. And he's going to treat you like family. That's,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: that's what they teach at NC state. And you can,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: I can feel that it's great, but if you're not,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: beating and you're not beating ACC teams within your, you're
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: not beating teams within your conference.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: Come on, man.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: Like you're, you're there to win games and you're also, it's, it's,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: it's a tough line too. You're there to win games.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: You're there to create men. It's, it's a really fine line.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: That's one thing that Dabo does. Well, Dabo's, devil has
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: done very well in the past and he continues to
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: do that as far as creating men but I admired
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: him as much as Dave to be honest with you
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 6: as far as that perspective because when Dave talks to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: the media and he talks about it he doesn't illustrate
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: what he's actually doing when he's talking about his players
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: that's when I see his commitment and his drive that's
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: the Dave Doran that really makes me happy to see
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: what he's doing at NC State.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: But as far as his personality, do you think he's
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: a work in progress? Yeah.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's very, he doesn't really, he gets worked up
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: too much. He can't throw out, he can't address a
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 6: question of controversy.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he buckles. Yeah. He can't address it.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 6: I hope he proves me wrong. I really hope he does.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: I would love for him to prove me wrong because
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 6: that would be a big stepping stone for him. But
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 6: until he makes that happen, he's just going to be
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: a big development. And he would be a great offensive
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: coordinator for any team that he goes to. Great.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: I can see him as a coordinator or any assistant,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: but I would find it difficult to see this guy
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: as a head coach anytime soon. We talked about Jerome Moore,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: but let's talk about Dorn for a minute as a
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: head coach. I think, I don't think he's able, and again,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: this is the personal thing right now. This is based
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: on his body of work where he buckles it. He
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: can't deal with adversity. You said it yourself. I don't
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: see Dave Dorn as head coaching material.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 9: Do you?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 6: He needs, he needs to go to a Sunbelt team
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: or I think SoCon's a little too low for him.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: But some kind of small FBS school that will allow
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: him to be challenged to But at the same time,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 6: learn how to win conference games that actually matter.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Like, I.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: Mean, go to Coastal Carolina? I don't know.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, again, you and I are both part
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: of the media right now, and Jason's starting to figure
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: it out a little bit, and Cliff is with us,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: and he works with students. But the reality is you
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: don't fight the hand that feeds you because we could
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: bury you all day long. I will be writing a
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: chapter about this guy exclusively in my next book. I
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: think he's a scumbag. I don't like him as a person.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: I think the way he he has to learn respect
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: towards the people that are promoting his program. And I
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: think that's where his public relations skills, not because of
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: what he's done to me, but I'm just talking about
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: in general. I've had a lot of people complain about
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: his professionalism dealing with us as the media. Mario Candy
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: will tell you. What does Mario Crispo say for being here?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: What does Mario say, Candy?
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: He thanks everybody for being there, staying up, staying as
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: late as they have, because usually it's a long game,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: and then he addresses his team after the game before
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: he comes in to talk to the media, so that
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: you're waiting a while. So, yeah, he does thank us.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: But he's very respectful, and I think when Dorrington remembers
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: treat people that could bury him in a heartbeat, then
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: I think that he'll never see another head coaching job.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Bill Lambert, for example, I covered the bad boys many
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: years ago. And I'll tell you what, he disrespected so
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: many people and made a lot of enemies that he
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: never got a head coaching job and was at the WNBA.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: And he was only got one assistant coach. You can't
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: go out there and burn bridges with everybody. It will
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: bite you. And I think with Goran, It's one thing
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: to coach in Northern Illinois. It's another to coach at
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: a Power Force school. I don't see him at Power
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: Force schools. And I see him as an assistant coach somewhere,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: whether it's NFL, CFL, UFL, or wherever, where there's nobody around.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: All you got to literally do is coach football. I
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: know he's talking about NIL, transfer portal. Everybody's got to
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: deal with that problem.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 10: They really do.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Exactly.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: He's not making any friends at all by, you know,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: But back to.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: One last time.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: He can't shake off the crap that's coming to his plate.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: And until he learns how to do that, like Mario Cristobal,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 6: he's able to push off the BS that comes to
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 6: his plate. He's able to shake it off because he
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: has confidence in himself. He knows how to do it. Like,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: for example, when he came to Clemson, he was– very
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: confident in his answers. And then afterwards he's like, somebody
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 6: give me a cheeseburger. I'm hungry. Like personable, like laughable.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: And he's confident. Like it's, I could just, he was resonating.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: Just both of that. All of that.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: Well, Dorn has to learn. Dorn has to be humble
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: and he has to learn humility. And I don't think
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: that he possesses either of those. And again, his communication
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: skills outside of his player's, I understand that. I respect
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: that part, but I don't respect much of anything else
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: out of the guy. And again, I'm like you. I
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: don't think he's had coaching material, at least at a
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: higher level, maybe lower level. But even then, I just
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: don't see it. And you said you don't see it either,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: do you?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: Raleigh is very rigid as well. Just the people in
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: general are very just like, There's no room for humility.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: There's no room for personal interactions. You don't really have
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 6: an emotional connection. For example, Miami, gosh, everyone seemed down
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: to business, but they had an emotional connection. They were
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: able to show it. They were able to be personal.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: They were able to be open to conversations. With Raleigh
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: and what Dave has been exposed to is just being
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 6: open to unexpected things or having humility. That's not the
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 6: nature of Raleigh. Raleigh is very just like you know
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: people and you don't really interact with strangers. That's one
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: reason why I kind of got out of there is
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 6: because I just don't enjoy the social aspect of it.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: And whenever I have to go back to Raleigh, sometimes
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: I'm just like, all right, I just, it's really tough
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 6: for me because being here in Asheville, it's, I'm able
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: to be myself and able to just interact with random strangers.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: And it's perfectly fine. And if I would do that
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: in Raleigh, it'd be like, oh, who are you? And
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: Doran has kind of, yeah, he's absolutely absorbed that. He's
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: absorbed that Raleigh culture.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: A what?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 6: Of Raleigh culture is what I call it.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's going to have to do a lot
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: of soul searching. Now they finally been fired from a
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: major job. And I, and again, we both know he's
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: not head coach. We stare, but we've said a lot.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: So let's run it around the horn real quickly to candy.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about what you've heard about corn
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: and everything that we've had to deal with overall?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the times have changed in coaching
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: and I think that they are, uh, How should I
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: put that? I think their interaction with the media has
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: been very– it's not as open as it used to be.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's more controlled. Do I think he will
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: get a job? I think he might. I don't think
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: it will be in a big school, and I don't
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: know if it will be a head coaching job, but–
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I mean, he's 54 years old, too,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: so we'll see what he wants to do. And he's
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: still getting paid. He gets paid, what, $ 10 million yet
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: under contract. So, you know, does he need to work?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: Does he want to work? Does he have the desire to?
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: I just don't know.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, Jason?
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he could get an offensive coordinator, but possibly, I
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: don't know, you know, at a smaller FBS school. here's
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: the thing from what I read on the Wolfpack website,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: and you guys can fill me in, Scott and Lucas,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: it here's the thing now he is talking like he's
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: an old school coach because he's like oh well I've
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: been here before 20 you know right around 2013 we're
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: we're I coach up guys that were two or three
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: star and recruits and we love beating five-star recruits.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: And Dandy, you know, Mark D'Antonio is good with like
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: they have for Michigan State, but he actually won championships,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: the Big Ten championships, as Lucas was saying. You got
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: to win your conference games. And I love what you said, Scott,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: about 10 wins.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: He avoided questions.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: You asked him the 10-win scenario. He went immediately to
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: his defense and, well, our defense is passive.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: And then, first off, he said, what's the question? Well,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: I thought he was kind of being a smart aleck.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: You know, so smart aleck about it. And he should
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: have said, okay, well, this is this scenario. My opinion
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: on his NIL, if he wanted to adjust and say, hey,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: you know what? I wasn't quite to that 10 wins,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: but we can still use the NIL money And he
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: didn't like NIL, but he needed to adjust. If he
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: wanted to make a better name for himself, if he
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: was going to go to another team, he was there
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: 14 years.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: I can't even believe he was there 14 years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the last one in the market.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, right. And it's like, okay, I get it. He
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  Speaker 5: coaches these guys up.
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  Speaker 4: So he's like, oh man, we used to love beat
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: teams that are five-star recruits with two or three-star players
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: that we have. But he didn't know how to use
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: the NIL, which ultimately led to his downfall. And if,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: if he did a little bit, or if he did it,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: he should have found somebody that did. He knows players.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: He knows guys. But as far as your interview, I
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: love what you did, Scott. Like you put them on
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: the spot. Like, Hey, we're not seven and five. Like,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: are we going to move on from the seven and five?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Can we push the 10 win plateau? He just, I
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: just think that I don't, I don't know quite as
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: well as you guys, as you do Lucas and Scott, but,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: We see coaches like that all the time. They're going
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: to deflect whatever direct question it is because he's probably
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: feeling the heat. He was probably feeling the heat, but
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: as Candy mentioned, $ 10 million. He's got 10 million reasons
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  Speaker 4: not to come back. He might be an analyst. I
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: don't know for maybe a different school or a radio guy,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: but I don't know if he's going to get another
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: coaching job, but if he does, I could see him
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: maybe as a coordinator somewhere. But like I said, he just,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: if he did, these coaches have got to learn how
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: to use the NIL. I know Nick Saban, he quit
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: because he didn't like it. But because these guys are
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: old school, and I respect that. I'm an old school guy.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: But if you knew how to use the NIL.
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  Speaker 5: Same thing with college basketball, what Dustin May did. He
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  Speaker 5: knew how to do it. If he didn't know how
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  Speaker 5: to do it, he should have found somebody who did
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: know how to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Give me a break. And not only that, I don't
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: think he's analyst material, right, Lucas? I don't think that
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: guy is anyway. If he's analyst material, God help me.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: But again, he's good when it comes to deflecting answers.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Lucas. We got about seven minutes left in
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: the show. You want to add something? Go ahead, Lucas. Lucas.
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  Speaker 2: Can't hear you. Can't hear.
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  Speaker 6: You.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I can hear you now, I think.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: To the Brewers game.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: Is there anything you wanted to add? Yeah, I think
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: you and I have a couple of thoughts on this
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: real quick. You've been patient. What are your thoughts about
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: what Dorn said?
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  Speaker 6: I hated how Dorn just kind of made a mockery
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 6: of you. That was really disrespectful. He was like, is
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: there a question in that? And then I heard some
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 6: people just laughing at that. I was just like, Are
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 6: you serious? That's how you deflect that?
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: You want laughter?
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: You're trying to make fun of the person who's asking
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: a question? That was really, really disrespectful. That was the
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: one big takeaway I got about it. You're an active
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 6: media member that wants to actually know a legitimate question,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: and you have people laughing at you, and Doran is
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: starting that. I'm like, dude, come on, man. Don't be
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: doing that. I get you're a big you're a big
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: head coach and you're trying to answer questions and you
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: got a lot on your plate, but don't deflect like that.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the, you know, the backdoor story behind
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: it can't be, I'll tell you, he called to complain
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: about me with my PR guy. So I guess I
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: was in his head, which is good because now he's
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: been fired. So it doesn't matter. So in other words,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: I got the last laugh that he's not even there anymore.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: But then I, yeah, I mean, But here's the thing, too.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: I saw him before we got there. And I got candy.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, I shook his hand. I got in
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: his face. I'm looking forward to talking to you later.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: I was in his head before we got in there
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: and I was able to get the moderator, make sure
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: I got a question. And so I was in his
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: head and looked him right in the face. I'm looking
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: forward to seeing you later. So he was a little
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: bit of boxing that. All right, Cliff. Sorry to keep
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: you out of it a little bit. But give me
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: some quick thoughts on this whole thing.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's– yeah, you're absolutely right. It was completely disrespectful
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: the way he just blew you off right away. That
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: was just absolutely ridiculous. I've been on your side too,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: and that was just– that was uncalled for.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: You're a coach.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: You can't handle that kind of thing. And, yeah, what
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: are people doing laughing? That was just– that was like,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: what are you doing? They should have been pissed off,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: which is, you know, it's probably a couple of suck-ups.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Went there. But yeah, it's like, I mean, he had
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: a sweet gig. He wasn't able to do what he
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: wanted to do. And he didn't like being challenged. And
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: he gave a BS answer. I'm not surprised. He's going
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: to go someplace else, but nowhere of any real consequence.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: And if he can't handle it in Raleigh, North Carolina,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: he should probably go much smaller than that. He better
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: not try to go higher because then they'll eat him alive. Yeah.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good at disrespecting me, but I'll tell you
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: one thing. I don't tolerate his crap, and in the end,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: he's unemployed and I'm not. So it'll be interesting to
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: see how it plays out down the road. I don't care,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: and I'll be writing about him in my book, and
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: I'm glad everybody had a chance to see this interview tonight.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: I think he's a scumbag, and he has a lot
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: of work to do with his skills working with us,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: and until he does, it doesn't matter to me. He's
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: passed since, and he's a chapter in the book, and
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: and now everybody can see what an idiot he is
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: because when it came down to crunch time and winning
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: big games, he always found a way to choke at
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: crunch time. All right, we're running out of show, but
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: that said, Cliff, why don't you let everybody know how
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: they can get a hold of you?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: You can check me out on Facebook. I'm dabbling in
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: Instagram now, touching X a little bit, but of course,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: you can see me here every Wednesday night with our
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: wonderful cast on the Sports Exchange. It's Great nights.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: And I hope to be able to talk to you online.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: And I can rant about lots of stuff.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: There you go. Well, you're a great addition to the show. Jason,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: make it quick.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: You can find me on Facebook, Jason Prock. And the
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: Sports Exchange, 9 to 11, Wednesday nights. I love being
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: here with you guys.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: And Lucas, thanks very much for all your insight on
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: the biggest scumbag of the planet, but at least you
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: and I both know. We know what he's all about,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: and I think everybody knows the biggest thing is he's unemployed,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: so it doesn't really matter. So I got the last laugh.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: He can disrespect anybody he wants. He has a track
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: record for doing it with everybody anyway, and obviously you
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: validated it that he's not worth it, but let everybody
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: know they can reach you real quick.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he says he's going to be fly fishing in
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: the mountains here, so oh well. Cool. I'm going to
• 1:57:17
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• 1:57:21
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• 1:57:25
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• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: There you go. You're a great addition. I'm proud of you.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: And you had to win an addition. All right, Candy,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: take us the rest of the way.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: World Series champions.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: Yay!
• 1:57:36
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• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: as you always do. But tonight, I knew that when
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: I brought the Dave Dorn thing up, this was a
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: good opportunity to give you like a one-on-one because you've
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: dealt with it longer. Thank you very much for your insight.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: We appreciate it. And good luck, Dorn. You're going to
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: need it. Okay. And good riddance, Dave. See you. Good night.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: See you. Everybody. Bye now.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 6: Appreciate it, Joe.