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SPEAKER_00: It feels like they're hearkening back to a time.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's the good old day policy, right?
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SPEAKER_03: As if people didn't die so much younger.
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SPEAKER_03: As if we had all of those medical treatments that we have today, we did not.
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SPEAKER_03: But this is, again,
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SPEAKER_03: that's very congruent with,
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SPEAKER_03: you know,
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SPEAKER_03: like natural food is better and the good old days were better and women belong in
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SPEAKER_03: the kitchen and all of that stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: It's burning.
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SPEAKER_02: Back when I lived in Washington, D.C.,
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SPEAKER_02: the Washington Post was always my favorite newspaper,
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SPEAKER_02: always had sort of like hardcore reporting about the federal government.
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SPEAKER_02: And now, it's like viral content this week was just that the president is a fat person.
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SPEAKER_02: That was its main article that made its rounds around the internet.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's funny.
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SPEAKER_02: I think that that's a real distance from where they came from.
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SPEAKER_02: People are just sick of this president so much that they've just resorted
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SPEAKER_02: to bullying Donald Trump and talking about his weight,
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SPEAKER_02: and I understand the impulse,
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SPEAKER_02: and also, man, I wish the Washington Post could investigate something else.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like investigate his dementia or maybe investigate like how much healthcare he's taking.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I'm sure somewhere in the paper that, but man, that's not what got the clicks, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That's not what got everyone else.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I could not get away from it at my feed and I didn't comment on it
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SPEAKER_00: because I was like, Yeah, like a lot of Americans are overweight.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he's technically obese.
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SPEAKER_00: Like from the numbers they've published, he isn't, but he's just barely not technically obese.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I believe that, but okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: They said that Donald Trump was 238 pounds.
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SPEAKER_02: I would eat my shoe.
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SPEAKER_00: I would bet my mortgage that that's a
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SPEAKER_02: lie.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I think when they told him, oh,
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SPEAKER_00: your BMI is whatever it is,
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SPEAKER_00: and that makes you in the obese category,
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SPEAKER_00: he said, well, hell no, that's not happening.
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SPEAKER_00: So they just trimmed it a bit and maybe highted him a little bit as well.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really sad, right?
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SPEAKER_00: From Woodward and Bernstein and Watergate to the president is fat.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, that's where we've come.
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SPEAKER_00: Good job, Jeff Bezos.
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SPEAKER_00: Good job.
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SPEAKER_02: Breaking news, everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: The president is unhealthy.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to Paging America,
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SPEAKER_02: where we explore the power and profit shaping American healthcare and your home base
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SPEAKER_02: for news and interviews from people building the universal healthcare movement.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Miles Baker.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Rob Davidson.
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SPEAKER_02: And today we have a really big show for you.
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SPEAKER_02: Stick around.
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SPEAKER_02: On the back half of the show,
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SPEAKER_02: we are joined by a nutritionist named Abby Langer,
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SPEAKER_02: who has a recent article in Men's Health where she watched
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SPEAKER_02: the RFK Real Food Cooking Show, so you don't have to.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a great conversation.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Abby.
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SPEAKER_02: But on the front end of the show, we got a lot to cover.
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SPEAKER_02: We're going to be doing a pretty deep dive into the measles outbreak in Pennsylvania
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SPEAKER_02: and the political reactions to that.
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SPEAKER_02: We're going to be taking a look at peptides at
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SPEAKER_02: the Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee,
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SPEAKER_02: and we're going to be dialing in a little bit on Medicare Advantage,
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SPEAKER_02: so let's jump right into it.
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SPEAKER_02: First off, Rob, before we...
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SPEAKER_02: Jump into the measles.
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SPEAKER_02: You've been on different shows.
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SPEAKER_02: I think you did Don Lemon earlier today and you're going to be making the rounds.
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SPEAKER_02: It sounds like measles is a hot topic.
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SPEAKER_02: Everyone wants to talk about it right now because it is such a surprising turn of events.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm wondering if you have sort of like a 30,000 foot view on what's happening
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SPEAKER_02: before we jump into all the details.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, we've talked about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Others have talked about it a lot, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Biggest number of cases of measles in 35 years, right?
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SPEAKER_00: A preventable disease.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the HHS secretary who has been peddling vaccine misinformation
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SPEAKER_00: and disinformation about MMR for decades.
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SPEAKER_00: And, like,
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SPEAKER_00: right now,
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SPEAKER_00: I think, like,
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SPEAKER_00: what a lot of people are talking about,
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SPEAKER_00: which is important,
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SPEAKER_00: is this battle between Shapiro and RFK Jr. Now Dr. Oz is getting in on it.
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SPEAKER_00: And just like the political football it has become and how much they are trying
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SPEAKER_00: to run away from claiming any responsibility, right, sort of is the pattern.
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SPEAKER_00: With this administration, we're not part of this.
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SPEAKER_00: We've just been talking about this for decades and encouraging.
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SPEAKER_00: We have video.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we have something here five years ago talking about it, RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why this is really taking on an outsized interest from the media
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SPEAKER_00: in general.
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SPEAKER_00: It's because folks in the administration who are supposed
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SPEAKER_00: to be protecting us are just trying to run away from it and wash their hands
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SPEAKER_00: to it altogether.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's kick it off with this.
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SPEAKER_02: Back in 2021, RFK Jr. made light of measles.
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SPEAKER_02: The video was resurfaced after two people died in Pennsylvania for measles-associated causes.
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SPEAKER_02: To everyone, you're going to hear RFK's voice more than you want to on today's show.
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SPEAKER_02: But I'm going to just encourage everyone to just strap in,
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SPEAKER_02: because sometimes it's important to hear what this madman says.
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SPEAKER_02: We won't do more than we have to, we promise.
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SPEAKER_02: But let's roll that tape now.
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SPEAKER_01: I am a...
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SPEAKER_01: Measles survivor.
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SPEAKER_01: It was extraordinary.
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SPEAKER_01: Lucky.
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SPEAKER_01: Very, very lucky to have lived through that nightmare because we had to stay at home
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SPEAKER_01: and watch TV the whole week with all of my brothers and sisters.
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SPEAKER_01: It was horrible.
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SPEAKER_01: What is the cure?
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SPEAKER_01: What is the cure for measles?
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SPEAKER_01: Your mises is chicken soup and vitamin A.
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SPEAKER_01: And neither of those things can be patented.
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SPEAKER_02: So this past week,
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SPEAKER_02: two unvaccinated people died from measles-associated causes in the same state
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SPEAKER_02: where Kennedy mocked measles as a not-severe virus.
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SPEAKER_02: They were the first measles-related deaths in Pennsylvania in 35 years,
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SPEAKER_02: and the first deaths this year out of over 2,700 cases in the country,
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SPEAKER_02: 500 more than in all of 2025.
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SPEAKER_02: And the current outbreak is accelerating.
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SPEAKER_02: Just to do a quick medicine check,
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SPEAKER_02: the cure for measles is not chicken soup and vitamin A, I'm assuming.
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SPEAKER_02: No, there is no
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SPEAKER_00: cure, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The cure is not to get it in the first place.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Well then, it's that simple.
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SPEAKER_02: So the fallout from the deaths,
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SPEAKER_02: as the video is sort of rocketing around the internet,
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SPEAKER_02: in a call between RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, Things went pretty sideways.
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SPEAKER_02: Secretary Kennedy,
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SPEAKER_02: this is what Josh Shapiro said,
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SPEAKER_02: Secretary Kennedy called me yesterday morning to ask
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SPEAKER_02: whether Pennsylvania needed any additional support to respond to
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SPEAKER_02: the measles outbreak.
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SPEAKER_02: I told him I appreciated the call,
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SPEAKER_02: but that our administration and the Pennsylvania Department of Health had all
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SPEAKER_02: the resources we needed to respond,
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SPEAKER_02: included existing support from professional staff at the CDC and HHS.
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SPEAKER_02: I told him that what would be most helpful is if he would join me
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SPEAKER_02: in encouraging people to get vaccinated and stop spreading misinformation.
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SPEAKER_02: He then launched into a tirade talking about fetal tissue and blaming
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SPEAKER_02: the previous administration for the problem.
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SPEAKER_02: He even told me it would be better if we went back to natural measles.
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SPEAKER_02: Less than five hours later,
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SPEAKER_02: Kennedy tweeted that Shapiro may have faked the deaths and took giddy delight
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SPEAKER_02: in making the announcement, quote,
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SPEAKER_02: tweeting,
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SPEAKER_02: a post by proud conservative Lancaster County Commissioner Josh Parsons,
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SPEAKER_02: Governor Shapiro's unseemly rush to Lancaster County to convene
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SPEAKER_02: a national press conference and his giddy delight
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SPEAKER_02: in announcing two measles deaths was a morose commentary on
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SPEAKER_02: the contemporary political dialogue.
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SPEAKER_02: The performance was a replay of the Democrats' COVID playbook,
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SPEAKER_02: Fear-Mongering and Misinformation.
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SPEAKER_02: He goes on and on.
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SPEAKER_02: Lancaster Online reports that the coroner's office was investigating the death of
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SPEAKER_02: an infant who tested positive for measles and died because of a ruptured spleen.
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SPEAKER_02: Before we get into how Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Oz broke into this,
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SPEAKER_02: the flippant way Kennedy treats The measles outbreak,
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SPEAKER_02: both in the past and then also today,
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SPEAKER_02: right now,
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SPEAKER_02: in the worst measles outbreak in America in a long time, really seems troubling.
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SPEAKER_02: But there's almost too many incorrect things,
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SPEAKER_02: one right after another, coming out of Kennedy's mouth to comment on all of them.
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SPEAKER_00: But Rob, I'm wondering what stands out to you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it does go back.
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SPEAKER_00: This is Kennedy's COVID playbook, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Right back at you, Mr. Secretary.
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SPEAKER_00: The minimizing of disease.
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SPEAKER_00: And then sort of the flippant way they brush off death.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, let's blame it on Shapiro for somehow being giddy about this.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know Governor Shapiro.
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SPEAKER_00: I saw some of his comments.
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SPEAKER_00: I did not see giddiness, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, someone who actually is, like,
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SPEAKER_00: with the people in the Commonwealth mourning the loss of these people and asking
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SPEAKER_00: the secretary to just do the one thing he could possibly do is encourage people
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SPEAKER_00: to get vaccinated so other families and other communities don't have
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SPEAKER_00: to suffer these losses.
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SPEAKER_00: And, like,
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SPEAKER_00: this is the problem when you get a broken brain,
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SPEAKER_00: like, online troll as a cabinet secretary.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a problem.
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SPEAKER_00: We see it in defense.
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SPEAKER_00: We see it at every single cabinet secretary I see getting headlines.
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SPEAKER_00: This is what you see, and this guy just so happens to be probably the most dangerous one.
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SPEAKER_02: He's certainly in the top category as far as dangerous cabinet
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SPEAKER_00: secretaries.
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SPEAKER_02: I always go back to this place.
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SPEAKER_02: You know,
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SPEAKER_02: I get on my hobby horse about how the Trump administration really has, like,
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SPEAKER_02: is fully untethered to reality and really thinks, like,
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SPEAKER_02: as long as they can say something that's not true louder,
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SPEAKER_02: that someone can say something true, like,
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SPEAKER_02: that makes it real,
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SPEAKER_02: whether that's, like,
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SPEAKER_02: Whether that's Kennedy saying that chicken soup fixes measles or whether he's saying
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SPEAKER_02: that, um, this,
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SPEAKER_02: kind of alluding to this not being real or retweeting this guy
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SPEAKER_02: who made this outrageous claim that they faked these deaths and just trying to,
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SPEAKER_02: like,
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SPEAKER_02: shape reality into something that it's not in order to not be held accountable
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SPEAKER_02: or not have to confront something that's uncomfortable or Make
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SPEAKER_02: a political weapon out of something
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SPEAKER_02: that is just what should have just been normal response of the government
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SPEAKER_02: to something that was hard or sad.
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SPEAKER_02: The impulse to do it seems,
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SPEAKER_02: they just have like an endless energy to fake reality, it seems like.
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SPEAKER_02: And particularly when it comes to diseases.
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SPEAKER_02: So Dr. Oz jumped into the fray this morning to minimize the deaths,
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SPEAKER_02: saying, I don't want anyone in America concerned inappropriately.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't know exactly what happened in Pennsylvania yet.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't know if the children died from measles or had another condition
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SPEAKER_02: that was already attacking them, and they happened to get measles at the same time.
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SPEAKER_02: Calls for Kennedy's resignation continue around the country.
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SPEAKER_02: Unabated.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, a lot of people calling for his resignation.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's a thousand reasons to call for Kennedy's resignation,
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SPEAKER_02: but this is just another flashpoint where people are reiterating
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SPEAKER_02: that he should not be,
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SPEAKER_02: that he is the most unqualified crazy person at the top of HHS.
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SPEAKER_02: Rob, what do you think about Dr. Haas?
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SPEAKER_02: Dr. Haas is,
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SPEAKER_02: for folks who don't listen all the time, Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Haas is largely considered the frontrunner for when Kennedy is canned after
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SPEAKER_02: the midterms.
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SPEAKER_02: Trump is gonna probably can Kennedy.
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SPEAKER_02: And they're probably going to put Dr. Oz in charge.
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SPEAKER_02: So Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Oz is weighing into this thing that's being talked about on the internet, saying,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: we don't know if these kids died from measles or if they died from something else
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SPEAKER_02: and they happen to have measles.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you think of the way Oz is weighing in on this?
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SPEAKER_02: Seems crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: It does, and it's kind of what you see from Joe Rogan all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: Or Tucker Carlson, probably the biggest example.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, well, I'm just asking questions.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that they don't have measles.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying we don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: And my thing is,
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SPEAKER_00: right, there's a veneer of credibility that comes with Oz because he's a doctor.
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SPEAKER_00: He had a distinguished career in cardiothoracic surgery.
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SPEAKER_00: So when he says these things,
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SPEAKER_00: you almost kind of,
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SPEAKER_00: You have to do a double take and think, wait, is this crazy or not?
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SPEAKER_00: Did he say something crazy?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, saying we don't know, maybe that's true, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's been reported that that's the case.
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SPEAKER_00: And the coroner's office did say that, at least at some point.
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SPEAKER_00: The governor is reiterating that.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how Dr. Oz has different information as the head of CMS.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how that plays into reporting deaths in a county in Pennsylvania.
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SPEAKER_00: But the thing that really bothers me is you will not get a follow-up from Dr. Oz, right?
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SPEAKER_00: If these are absolutely confirmed measles was a contributing factor,
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SPEAKER_00: yes, having measles made the likelihood of these people dying, right?
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SPEAKER_00: A ruptured spleen might not think of that.
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SPEAKER_00: Measles doesn't rupture your spleen.
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SPEAKER_00: Measles definitely will cause your spleen to become enlarged,
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SPEAKER_00: which increases the risk of rupture.
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SPEAKER_00: We hear about that all the time with Epstein-Barr virus, with people getting mono, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Don't go to contact sports for Three to four weeks because of your risk
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SPEAKER_00: of rupturing your spleen.
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SPEAKER_00: Measles just isn't very common, thank God.
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SPEAKER_00: It used to not be common,
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SPEAKER_00: so that isn't something we always just had in our brains as docs or as people in
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SPEAKER_00: the community.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: he's not going to do a follow-up and say,
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SPEAKER_00: oh yeah, it was shown that they had measles and this contributed.
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SPEAKER_00: That will just be something that disappears, that comment.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's too bad.
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SPEAKER_02: It's hard to draw a straight line.
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SPEAKER_02: Governor Shapiro's impulse to say, hey, man, cool it.
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SPEAKER_02: We got people dying in Pennsylvania.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's exactly the right one.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think in a normal time,
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SPEAKER_02: and even now,
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SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of Democratic governors and Republican officials who have actual work
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SPEAKER_02: to do could set aside politics for a second and Have a conversation about
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SPEAKER_02: the right path forward if there's a hurricane or if there's a measles outbreak,
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SPEAKER_02: if there's something that FEMA needs to respond to,
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SPEAKER_02: which is,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: like a big measles outbreak,
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SPEAKER_02: particularly in Lancaster County,
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SPEAKER_02: has, like, historically been pretty unvaccinated, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Because it has a large Amish population.
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SPEAKER_02: That's not necessarily, like, new,
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SPEAKER_02: but just the scale of the measles outbreak is,
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SPEAKER_02: like, makes that really concerning as opposed to when it was mostly eliminated.
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SPEAKER_02: It seems like you would be able to set that aside,
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SPEAKER_02: but Kennedy just lights into his crazy ranting when they're on the phone
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SPEAKER_02: in Shapiro's telling.
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SPEAKER_02: That just means that there's no one to call if you're one of these state governors.
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SPEAKER_02: It doesn't bode well for something other than measles.
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SPEAKER_02: It seems like you're just going to get a dial tone on the other side or
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SPEAKER_02: a crazy person, which is troubling.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: You imagine Shapiro when, like, anything we can do, he's like, just stay the fuck away.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't make it work.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't make it work.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't make
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SPEAKER_02: it work.
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SPEAKER_02: Plug for the interview later, just go do your cooking show.
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SPEAKER_02: Do your cooking show.
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SPEAKER_00: Talk about seed oils.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's move on from measles.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sure the outbreak continues apace, so I'm sure we'll be discussing it as we go along.
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SPEAKER_02: But Rob, over half.
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SPEAKER_02: We've talked about the ASIP,
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SPEAKER_02: but there's also something called the Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee.
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SPEAKER_02: And it turns out over half of
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SPEAKER_02: the Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee are enriching themselves with peptides.
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SPEAKER_02: So last month,
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SPEAKER_02: the FDA's Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee,
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SPEAKER_02: PCAC, I don't think anyone calls it PCAC, but PCAC is how it's written in the press.
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SPEAKER_02: Closed its July meeting with a string of narrow votes recommending six of
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SPEAKER_02: the seven peptides under review.
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SPEAKER_02: So they're saying six of the seven that they reviewed should go forward.
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SPEAKER_02: Now a consumer watchdog group is urging the HHS to investigate conflicts of interest
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SPEAKER_02: among the group's 12 members,
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SPEAKER_02: over half of whom have financial ties to the peptide industry.
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SPEAKER_02: All but two members of PCAC were appointed while Trump was in office.
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SPEAKER_02: Via MedPage today,
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SPEAKER_02: a consumer watchdog group is demanding that the HHS Office of Inspector General look
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SPEAKER_02: into potential conflicts of interest among members of the FDA Advisory Committee
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SPEAKER_02: that recommended the six peptides be added to the list of substances
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SPEAKER_02: that can be compounded, despite a lack of evidence of their efficacy.
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SPEAKER_02: Several members of the 2026 Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee appear
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SPEAKER_02: to have had disqualifying financial interests in the pharmaceutical
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SPEAKER_02: and peptide industries.
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SPEAKER_02: At the time of the July meeting,
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SPEAKER_02: they wrote last week in a letter to HHS Inspector General T.
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SPEAKER_02: March Bell,
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SPEAKER_02: at least seven committee members had financial interests in
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SPEAKER_02: the peptide pharmaceutical industry.
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SPEAKER_02: Rob, you and I have a little bit of a different opinion about peptides generally,
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SPEAKER_02: but I'm wondering,
16:11
SPEAKER_02: but I don't think we have very much of a difference of opinion when it comes to,
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SPEAKER_02: if you are approving drugs or molecules for consumption among,
16:21
SPEAKER_02: in the American population,
16:22
SPEAKER_02: that you should have financial interest to the pharmaceutical industry.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
16:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, hey, listen, I'm not wholly against peptides or pro or anything like that.
16:31
SPEAKER_00: It's just when you have a body that's designed to be regulating it, right, approving things.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I mean,
16:37
SPEAKER_00: it's kind of,
16:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
16:39
SPEAKER_00: it's kind of sweet that a watchdog group is saying,
16:41
SPEAKER_00: well, conflicts of interest, this should be an issue.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, dear God, like, bless their hearts almost.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this entire administration is a string of conflicts of interest on a daily basis.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: It's like one big conflict of interest.
16:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:53
SPEAKER_02: It's just like essentially like an enrichment scheme, like across the departments.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's sort of part of their operating instructions of how to function as
17:03
SPEAKER_00: a government is have conflicts of interest.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: Like that is almost table stakes to get into this government at any level.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: You have to be somehow profiting or benefiting from the work that you do as
17:14
SPEAKER_00: a government official.
17:15
SPEAKER_02: Right.
17:15
SPEAKER_02: So you don't break ranks because you're there to make money, not do something else.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: And if you're not making money,
17:22
SPEAKER_02: you're like a liability because you might want to try to do something else.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, add it to the list of what Democrats should be thinking about
17:29
SPEAKER_00: when they potentially get into power and have that oversight ability.
17:34
SPEAKER_00: Like that probably is going to be a lot of their daily lives is oversight
17:38
SPEAKER_00: and accountability, at least shining a light on some of the stuff.
17:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: And it goes,
17:42
SPEAKER_02: you know,
17:43
SPEAKER_02: it goes to, like,
17:43
SPEAKER_02: if they're not setting up, like,
17:44
SPEAKER_02: a real process where they can figure out,
17:47
SPEAKER_02: there's a loss that happens when this happens.
17:49
SPEAKER_02: Like, let me just make the argument from the other side.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: It would be like, hey,
17:52
SPEAKER_02: if adults want to experiment with peptides and they want to use these, like,
17:58
SPEAKER_02: molecules that are being developed to not just,
18:01
SPEAKER_02: not just, like,
18:02
SPEAKER_02: cure illness, but, or,
18:04
SPEAKER_02: or Or alleviate illness,
18:06
SPEAKER_02: but they want to try to enhance their life with these drugs.
18:12
SPEAKER_02: That adults should be able to do that if they're not harming anyone else.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: But there's a real...
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SPEAKER_02: That's the argument in favor,
18:20
SPEAKER_02: but the other side of the argument,
18:22
SPEAKER_02: there's a real loss because if they would just go through the process
18:25
SPEAKER_02: of determining efficacy and being able to put a real believable stamp of approval
18:31
SPEAKER_02: of safety on something,
18:32
SPEAKER_02: You could have something that had more broad adoption without all the downside risk
18:36
SPEAKER_02: that people who take these very new drugs assume on themselves.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: And like, so there's a real loss there, right?
18:43
SPEAKER_02: Because I think just like not everyone has the risk tolerance of
18:48
SPEAKER_02: a C-suite mid-tier tech company CEO.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: And then they shouldn't need to have it.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Is it the audience here?
18:57
SPEAKER_00: That's the peptide audience?
18:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yes.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, again, yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: the government putting its stamp on something that isn't tested,
19:05
SPEAKER_00: that isn't known to be efficacious or safe.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's not known to be dangerous or not effective either, right?
19:12
SPEAKER_00: But it's just saying, well, we're just going to say it's all good.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: Go for it, right?
19:16
SPEAKER_00: Because again, using unregulated things, if you just want to do that, right?
19:21
SPEAKER_00: If you're not harming anyone else,
19:22
SPEAKER_00: I guess at some point you decide what's okay, what's not, right?
19:26
SPEAKER_00: If it's highly addictive, yeah, probably want to take that off the market somehow.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: But if you're just potentially hurting yourself, yeah, I don't know.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to have a whole lot to think or say about that.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:37
SPEAKER_02: But the process could be different and it could be discovery.
19:41
SPEAKER_02: I just think the rate of drug discovery is like picking up.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: And so there is a real critique that the FDA could not necessarily speed things up,
19:50
SPEAKER_02: but that maybe it needs more resources or it has the ability...
19:53
SPEAKER_02: It has the ability to evaluate more drugs that are not simply those drugs
19:59
SPEAKER_02: that are most incentivized.
20:01
SPEAKER_02: Like there's no,
20:02
SPEAKER_02: like a maximum profit incentive that those get prioritized
20:04
SPEAKER_02: because there's resources there to go research them.
20:07
SPEAKER_02: It would be looking at other uses of drugs that are now generic.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: That's like always hard to get through FDA approval and takes a long time.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: So there's like,
20:14
SPEAKER_02: there are reforms that the FDA could happen,
20:16
SPEAKER_02: but stacking the deck with a bunch of people who are making a bunch of money
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SPEAKER_02: who are just kind of going ch-chunk.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, try it out, guys.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: That's probably like the worst of all worlds,
20:24
SPEAKER_00: actually.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: And folks who are interested in safety, I mean, we see the same thing sort of with housing.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: I think,
20:30
SPEAKER_00: you know,
20:30
SPEAKER_00: there's been a lot of writing about that,
20:31
SPEAKER_00: like all the regulations that are involved.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, do we need safety measures?
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: But if you just discount people's desire to have these products available as,
20:41
SPEAKER_00: you know, well, it's just unregulated.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes, we need...
20:44
SPEAKER_00: You're going to lose people, right?
20:45
SPEAKER_00: And so I guess for people potentially coming into power next year as Democrats,
20:49
SPEAKER_00: like I don't think the impulse should just be necessary to crack down on all of it.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: It's to just actually listen to the people involved, the people impacted by it.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: Understanding this is not a black and white issue and these can't be handled that way.
21:02
SPEAKER_00: I think you're exactly right.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: And I think, again, you framed it that we have different views on peptides.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Probably, you know, to one side more or the other side more.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: But again, like neither is completely black and white.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: That's just not where most people lived.
21:14
SPEAKER_02: I would like to try...
21:18
SPEAKER_02: I have a friend who's on a peptide that he claims is curative.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't really believe him.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: But if they were like, that's safe.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: If somebody that I trusted was like,
21:31
SPEAKER_02: that's safe, I'd be like, okay, yeah, I'll try that as long as it's safe.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: Let's see what happens.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: But what I'm not going to do is ring up Some vendor in Shenzhen would be like,
21:43
SPEAKER_02: send me these great market chains, peptides, and then put them in me.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's move on from peptides.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure we'll revisit it.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: So Medicare Advantage is back in the news.
21:57
SPEAKER_02: There's a report that Medicare Advantage will suck a trillion dollars from
22:00
SPEAKER_02: the federal bank account.
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SPEAKER_02: A recent analysis by the Nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects that
22:05
SPEAKER_02: the federal government will pay between 5% And 10% more
22:09
SPEAKER_02: for Medicare Advantage enrollees than traditional Medicare.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: And estimates for a given person,
22:14
SPEAKER_02: Medicare Advantage costs about 15% more than traditional Medicare.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: This suggests the federal government will spend about $1 trillion
22:21
SPEAKER_02: on Medicare Advantage overpayments over the next decade,
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SPEAKER_02: which is in line with other estimates.
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SPEAKER_02: Via the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget,
22:28
SPEAKER_02: Medicare Advantage is the privately managed,
22:30
SPEAKER_02: government-funded alternative to traditional fee-for-service Medicare.
22:34
SPEAKER_02: Although Medicare Advantage can often be more efficient than traditional Medicare,
22:38
SPEAKER_02: it ends up being more costly for the federal government due to upcoding,
22:41
SPEAKER_02: favorable selection,
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SPEAKER_02: The Quality Bonus Program and other features,
22:46
SPEAKER_02: the risk-adjusted payments made to the Medicare Advantage plans tend to far exceed
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SPEAKER_02: the likely actual cost for delivering healthcare to beneficiaries.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: Medicare Advantage is such a goddamn scam, Rob.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: It should be unlawed.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, we should just fully say this.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: It's privatized Medicare, right?
23:03
SPEAKER_00: It's a thing that we've been accusing Republicans of probably since Reagan.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it was before Reagan.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: Certainly since Reagan.
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SPEAKER_00: They want to privatize Medicare.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: They have.
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SPEAKER_00: They have privatized Medicare.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: It's done.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's getting worse.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: There was legislation introduced,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: in the last Congress to have Medicare Advantage be the default for every senior.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: You had to opt out of it.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: It didn't go through, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But a Republican-sponsored,
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SPEAKER_00: that's their next move is to make sure that everyone ends up
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SPEAKER_00: on these privatized Medicare plans.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: And who's making money on it?
23:33
SPEAKER_00: It's insurance companies.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Right.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: And it's using like,
23:35
SPEAKER_02: it's using like gimmicks to get people to like pull costs out
23:39
SPEAKER_02: the federal government.
23:40
SPEAKER_02: So I appreciate that people actually like it.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: So maybe I shouldn't call it a gimmick,
23:43
SPEAKER_02: but like there's like free gym memberships are often like one of the,
23:46
SPEAKER_02: one of the big,
23:47
SPEAKER_02: I think,
23:47
SPEAKER_02: I think someone even said it was the biggest draw for Medicare Advantage is
23:51
SPEAKER_02: that people get like free gym memberships and that's,
23:53
SPEAKER_02: that's, that's particularly interesting to them.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: But then,
23:56
SPEAKER_02: then a couple of years down the line when they get really sick,
23:58
SPEAKER_02: All of a sudden they realize this,
23:59
SPEAKER_02: it just doesn't cover, it just doesn't cover as much as actual Medicare.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: So you're,
24:03
SPEAKER_02: you could find yourself in a really bad position as an older person who might be on
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SPEAKER_02: a fixed or limited income.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it should be illegal.
24:09
SPEAKER_02: It's like a, it's such a grift.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like they can't get the political will to like,
24:13
SPEAKER_02: They privatized the whole thing so they carved out like a little pot of money
24:17
SPEAKER_02: for themselves and they keep trying to make it a little bit bigger and
24:19
SPEAKER_02: a little bit bigger.
24:20
SPEAKER_02: Kind of reminds me of the way the DeVosses went after charter schools.
24:23
SPEAKER_02: It's just like,
24:24
SPEAKER_02: all right,
24:24
SPEAKER_02: we don't need all,
24:24
SPEAKER_02: we don't need the entire education system,
24:26
SPEAKER_02: but let us just get rich off a little pot of it, you know?
24:30
SPEAKER_00: And it's getting rich off of taxpayer dollars, right?
24:32
SPEAKER_00: It's not just getting rich off of unknown or unassuming consumers
24:36
SPEAKER_00: who are giving you their money and then not getting a product worth that money.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: It's the actual government.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: So we're all paying into that.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: Every time you see that FICA Like an MD or whatever it is on your pay stub,
24:47
SPEAKER_00: you're paying into this complete grift.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: And the other piece,
24:50
SPEAKER_00: and you said it,
24:51
SPEAKER_00: you know, then when they actually get sick, it doesn't pay for things.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: But what they're doing right on the front end is they are cherry picking
24:56
SPEAKER_00: the healthiest people, right?
24:58
SPEAKER_00: People with really high health expenditures are less likely to be lured
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SPEAKER_00: into gym memberships as a carrot to get a plan.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe they should,
25:08
SPEAKER_00: but they should probably just be walking around the block,
25:09
SPEAKER_00: but they're probably not hopping on the treadmill in that next year.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: So that isn't a draw so much.
25:14
SPEAKER_00: And so kind of the traditional Medicare is keeping that higher risk pool.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's costing more money in that fee-for-service space.
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SPEAKER_00: The Medicare Advantage,
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SPEAKER_00: they're getting the dollars up front to cover people,
25:26
SPEAKER_00: but it's a less sick group of people.
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SPEAKER_00: So by nature, they're just not spending the money.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: They're pocketing it.
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SPEAKER_02: I think if the Republican Party keeps descending into this where it's mostly
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SPEAKER_02: about profiteering rather than anything else,
25:40
SPEAKER_02: Mark my words,
25:41
SPEAKER_02: you're gonna see a GOP Republican primary hinge on not Medicare for All,
25:45
SPEAKER_02: but Medicare Advantage for All.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be the primary debate.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay, we're making... That's a deep healthcare cut joke.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't that funny.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: We'll move on.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this is the last thing before we get to the interview.
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SPEAKER_02: Does newly appointed Senator Darlene Graham want Americans to work hard and die young?
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SPEAKER_02: This was the craziest video of the week,
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SPEAKER_02: and it was the week that we got the measles video from our RFK resurfaced.
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SPEAKER_02: So recently appointed to fill Lindsey Graham's Senate seat.
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SPEAKER_02: For those who aren't following South Carolina,
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SPEAKER_02: Darlene Graham won the South Carolina Republican primary and will face
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SPEAKER_02: a pediatrician and friend of the show, Dr. Annie Andrews, in November.
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SPEAKER_02: At a recent campaign stop,
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SPEAKER_02: Graham waxed almost poetic about her parents who had to go to work sick
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SPEAKER_02: and died early.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's take a look.
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SPEAKER_01: I grew up in the back of a bar and liquor store in one room in central South Carolina.
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SPEAKER_01: My parents worked long, hard hours to make ends meet.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: We didn't take vacations.
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SPEAKER_01: If they were sick, they had to get up and go to work because the doors weren't open.
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SPEAKER_01: We weren't making money.
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SPEAKER_01: My mother passed away when I was 11 and my father just over a year later.
26:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so she's basically calling out abortion,
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SPEAKER_02: saying that's bad,
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SPEAKER_02: calling out government-run healthcare,
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SPEAKER_02: and then she goes on to talk about a tragedy that befell her family and made,
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SPEAKER_02: I would say,
27:08
SPEAKER_02: the strangest argument against government-run healthcare that's ever been made,
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SPEAKER_02: that you might get sick and die early, basically.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know if she just, she's obviously like, she doesn't have a lot of experience.
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SPEAKER_02: She is just there because her brother was there.
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SPEAKER_02: In Lindsey Graham's obituaries,
27:28
SPEAKER_02: the people who didn't like him,
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SPEAKER_02: the only nice thing that they could say about him is that he really took care
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SPEAKER_02: of his sister after his parents died.
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SPEAKER_02: Who could have used more access to healthcare, it seems like, from the stories.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: She also,
27:40
SPEAKER_02: just for whatever it's worth,
27:42
SPEAKER_02: She's asked questions in the debate about foreign policy and revealed
27:45
SPEAKER_02: that she literally knows nothing about anything and doesn't read the news.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: So, like, that's a strange thing for a U.S. senator.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: Usually you want him up at least on basic current events.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: So I'm wondering what your take on this is, Rob.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: Do you think... Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: How'd that land with you?
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SPEAKER_02: And does Dr. Annie Andrews have a shot in South Carolina?
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SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: So we always talk about in the advocacy world how storytelling is so important, right?
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Graphs and white papers and extensive studies can get completely swamped by a story.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: And we have these stories.
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SPEAKER_00: Patients can tell these.
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SPEAKER_00: She did just that as an example why people need health care.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: She personalized it.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: It was always personalize and pivot.
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SPEAKER_00: She personalized it.
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SPEAKER_00: My mom and dad didn't have government-run health care when I was a kid.
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SPEAKER_00: The next sentence, my mom died when I was 11.
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SPEAKER_00: My dad died just a short time.
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SPEAKER_00: It's tragic.
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SPEAKER_00: And I feel for any 11-year-old losing their mom and
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SPEAKER_00: then shortly thereafter losing their dad,
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SPEAKER_00: it must have been, and if Lindsey Graham took care of his sister, like, bless him.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's great, right?
28:53
SPEAKER_00: No doubt that he loved his sister.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: But oh my god, like,
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SPEAKER_00: That's the story one would tell to say,
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SPEAKER_00: this is why we shouldn't cut a trillion dollars from Medicaid.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: This is why Medicare Advantage bilking the government of a trillion dollars
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SPEAKER_00: and screwing seniors over is so critically important and we need to make it illegal.
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SPEAKER_00: She made the argument exactly for the things we're fighting for with
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SPEAKER_00: a powerful story from her personal experience.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just, she is so over her head on this.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, like Annie Andrews has to have a shot in that scenario.
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SPEAKER_02: South Carolina is so conservative.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: It is so unbelievably conservative.
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SPEAKER_02: The politics of it are one in which, like,
29:36
SPEAKER_02: Democrat and Republican,
29:37
SPEAKER_02: not completely, but largely fall down around, like, racial lines.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know, South Carolina is the Deep South.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: And it's just really hard to win there.
29:47
SPEAKER_02: But there was a poll out yesterday that showed them tied.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: Now, it showed them tied in, like, the low 40s.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: So there was a lot of people who just sort of hadn't made up their mind.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: And often when that happens,
29:56
SPEAKER_02: people revert to their original partisanship if they're sort of late breakers,
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SPEAKER_02: right?
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Whatever they were before, they sort of remained because of inertia.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: But, I mean,
30:04
SPEAKER_02: there has not been a tied poll in South Carolina between a Democrat and a Republican
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SPEAKER_02: that was credible in my sense I've been alive.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, in the Senate for federal office.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: It's, like, incredible.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's empty.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: She's, like, an incredibly empty vessel.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: It's super irresponsible to nominate her, but Donald Trump is behind her.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: Totally.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: Donald Trump of Ken Paxton fame, now has Darlene Graham as a part of his resume, and we'll see.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: He's just putting down chips on people.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter if they're viable or they're good or they're the best candidate.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: It's just people who literally do whatever he says is the way
30:37
SPEAKER_02: that he is operating inside these Republican primaries.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: And I think it might bite him in the ass, hopefully.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: Fingers crossed.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's get over to the interview because we had a great time with Abby Langer,
30:52
SPEAKER_02: whose new article in Men's Health goes through the nutrition information
30:57
SPEAKER_02: and misinformation of RFK's cooking show.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: So let's go to that now.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Welcome back, everyone.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: Really excited for our guest today.
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SPEAKER_00: We have a registered dietitian, Abby Langer here.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Abby is a Toronto-based media and consulting dietitian and author of the book,
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SPEAKER_00: Good Food, Bad Diet.
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SPEAKER_00: Abby, welcome to Paging America.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_03: It's so good to be here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So we asked you here because I saw your piece in men's health.
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SPEAKER_00: We kind of shared it around last week.
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SPEAKER_00: And you watched the first two episodes of RFK Jr.'s new cooking show, The Real Food Show.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: I will tell you, so I'm a doc, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I did train in the 90s,
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SPEAKER_00: so I got the requisite nutrition training in medical school in the 90s,
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SPEAKER_00: which is probably a half-hour lecture at some point.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I try to eat healthy.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my level of expertise.
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SPEAKER_00: But you are an actual dietitian,
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SPEAKER_00: and you watched it from the perspective of a nutritionist,
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SPEAKER_00: and you came away with some major issues with this show.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you can just share an overview of your major issues with this show,
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SPEAKER_00: then we can dive in a bit.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, so, I mean, let's just start with the premise of the show.
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SPEAKER_03: He wants... RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_03: wanted to develop the show to show people,
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SPEAKER_03: Americans, I guess, that they can make healthy meals for under $5 per serving.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, and so he's going around the country and he's cooking with chefs
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SPEAKER_03: and each episode features a different chef with a different meal.
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SPEAKER_03: In my mind, if you want to...
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SPEAKER_03: Make people healthy.
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SPEAKER_03: Help them be healthy.
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SPEAKER_03: Teaching them how to cook is great.
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SPEAKER_03: And simplifying things in the kitchen is fantastic, and making food more accessible, perfect.
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SPEAKER_03: What I saw was a little bit of that, but a lot of misinformation.
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SPEAKER_03: And just a complete, like,
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SPEAKER_03: you can tell that none of the people who he,
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SPEAKER_03: including RFK Jr.,
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SPEAKER_03: have struggled to buy groceries recently,
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SPEAKER_03: live in a food desert,
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SPEAKER_03: or even,
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SPEAKER_03: I don't even know if they've even been in a grocery store lately,
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SPEAKER_03: but what I saw was, like, they've been on another planet in terms of pricing and...
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SPEAKER_03: Some of the ingredient choices were just...
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SPEAKER_03: I just smacked my head in dismay.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: so it does seem that ultra-processed foods are one of his targets when it comes
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SPEAKER_00: to getting people to eat more healthy.
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SPEAKER_00: We have a couple of clips here.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought we could take a look at a segment from his episode with Andrew Grohl
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SPEAKER_00: where he talks about ultra-processed foods.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe we can chat about that.
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SPEAKER_01: And one of the things we found when we started looking at the real side
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SPEAKER_01: When you don't eat protein, you eat something else, and it was ultra-priced foods.
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SPEAKER_01: And most people chose,
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SPEAKER_01: so 70% of the calories that our children were eating were ultra-processed food.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's no wonder that we had a metabolic crisis.
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SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_01: our diabetes rate had gone from zero in children to about 38% diabetic
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SPEAKER_01: or pre-diabetic.
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SPEAKER_01: And we had the sickest country in the world.
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SPEAKER_01: And we gotta get people eating protein again,
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SPEAKER_01: because when you eat protein, you don't eat the other stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, Secretary Kennedy, I'll tell you a crazy story.
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SPEAKER_01: So I grew up in that world.
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SPEAKER_01: All I ate was cereal, pasta, refined carbs, et cetera.
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SPEAKER_01: I went to a small college and suffered having horrible stomach issues.
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SPEAKER_01: And I actually ended up dropping out of college and got into the restaurant industry
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SPEAKER_01: because it was That's the only place I had a safe haven
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SPEAKER_01: because my stomach issues were so bad.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't until 2014 when I completely cut seed oils out of my diet and all of
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SPEAKER_01: the processed foods that I actually healed my entire body strictly with diet.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: That's after they tried to prescribe me antidepressants,
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SPEAKER_01: claiming that it was the neurotransmitters in my intestines.
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SPEAKER_01: They tried to give me anti-anxiety medication.
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SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't until I changed my diet,
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SPEAKER_01: ironically, after becoming a chef, that it all got healed.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I have some questions, but I just suspect you might have some thoughts on that.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: It's so much.
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SPEAKER_03: Where do I start?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, asking your questions.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like, I guess, what makes foods ultra-processed?
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SPEAKER_00: And I think you wrote about this.
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SPEAKER_00: You definitely wrote about this.
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SPEAKER_00: Are they all bad?
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SPEAKER_03: No, of course not.
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SPEAKER_03: Of course not.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: People like RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_03: and well,
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SPEAKER_03: tons of people will eat ultra-processed foods that they believe are healthy,
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SPEAKER_03: like protein powder, like supplements, like tofu.
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SPEAKER_03: For us, ultra-processed foods are simply foods that have been processed to
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SPEAKER_03: where their original ingredients aren't identifiable and they have a few additives
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SPEAKER_03: to them.
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SPEAKER_03: But to make a blanket statement about ultra processed foods that they're responsible
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SPEAKER_03: for every single health problem
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SPEAKER_03: that Americans have is just really incredibly obtuse.
35:48
SPEAKER_03: Yes, we do eat too much.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm Canadian, but we all eat too much ultra processed food.
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SPEAKER_03: I get it.
35:54
SPEAKER_03: We don't eat enough fiber.
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SPEAKER_03: We don't eat enough fruits and vegetables.
35:58
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
35:58
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
35:59
SPEAKER_03: But this is a symptom.
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SPEAKER_03: This is not the problem.
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SPEAKER_03: The problem is that people can't afford food and they can't afford healthcare.
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SPEAKER_03: And coming from a country that has socialized medicine, no, it's not communism, it's socialism.
36:16
SPEAKER_03: Let's just get that straight.
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SPEAKER_03: All of the countries in the world
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SPEAKER_03: that have socialized medicine have better health outcomes than the United States.
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SPEAKER_03: You cannot make people healthy just by telling them not to eat ultra-processed food.
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SPEAKER_03: This is just a symptom.
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SPEAKER_02: Can I dial in on the claim that the chef made that he listed a lot of ailments,
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SPEAKER_02: like anxiety, and actual illnesses, and that he healed himself simply with food?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that...
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SPEAKER_02: Possibly true?
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SPEAKER_03: It's preposterous, actually.
36:51
SPEAKER_03: Got it.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is very, very...
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SPEAKER_03: It's very aligned with the current sentiment around conventional medicine that,
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SPEAKER_03: you know,
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SPEAKER_03: big pharma wants to keep you sick and we can't trust research and we can't trust X,
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SPEAKER_03: Y, and Z, but...
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SPEAKER_03: You know, buy my supplements.
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SPEAKER_03: And, you know, natural is better.
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SPEAKER_03: Food is not medicine.
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SPEAKER_03: And by saying that he healed all of those ailments just by taking seed oils out
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SPEAKER_03: of his diet,
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SPEAKER_03: first of all,
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SPEAKER_03: that's ridiculous because seed oils have been shown to be anti-inflammatory,
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SPEAKER_03: either positive or neutral in terms of health outcomes.
37:29
SPEAKER_03: But also...
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SPEAKER_03: It's just, you don't heal these things with diet.
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SPEAKER_03: And by telling people that, you're doing them a disservice.
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SPEAKER_03: Because there are people who will hear that and think,
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SPEAKER_03: I don't need medication for my anxiety or my depression.
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SPEAKER_03: And then they can be in a real pickle, I'll tell you.
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SPEAKER_00: And it seems to conflate this whole ultra-processing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, if you go to drive-thru and get fast food every day for all your meals and
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SPEAKER_00: then you top it off with a Twinkie before bed, like that's all processed foods.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not great.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you change that to eating like lean protein, I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: I like eating tofu,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess it's processed, but you know, you have more fruits and vegetables.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, that is better for you.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't need more than my one half hour of medical school training in nutrition
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SPEAKER_00: to be able to know that.
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SPEAKER_00: They conflate that with, well,
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SPEAKER_00: anything that is processed,
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SPEAKER_00: I think they use the term shelf-stable, anything shelf-stable.
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SPEAKER_00: So now they're saying every American has to go out to
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SPEAKER_00: the farmer's market every single day and buy their food,
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SPEAKER_00: let alone food deserts, that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_00: That kind of purchasing or grocery shopping is not available to the vast majority.
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SPEAKER_00: Even where I live, you need to get in your car to do that.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't just walk down to the market.
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SPEAKER_00: They seem to conflate those things.
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SPEAKER_00: And then once they have you on the ultra-processing,
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SPEAKER_00: they take you down the path of, oh, yeah, and those seed oils.
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SPEAKER_00: And people maybe are just kind of think not really,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know, they're not going to go research it.
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SPEAKER_00: So they're going to just keep that claim in their head.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just, yeah, a place they could actually have done some good.
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SPEAKER_03: He also says that Biden's food pyramid had Fruit Loops at the top of it.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, that, too, is ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, all of this fear-mongering and misinformation around, well,
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SPEAKER_03: first of all,
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SPEAKER_03: nobody ever followed the guidelines, and we actually have research that shows that.
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SPEAKER_03: But, okay, you know, it's fine.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, yes,
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SPEAKER_03: like I said,
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SPEAKER_03: we eat too much ultra-processed food,
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SPEAKER_03: but nobody is recommending a diet that's based only on ultra-processed stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: And that's not what dietitians have ever recommended.
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SPEAKER_03: All we're saying, when I go online and I say, okay, it's okay to eat Oreos, people freak out.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, you know, you're saying that all we should be eating is Oreos.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, no, it's not that binary.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, yes, you can have Oreos, but you should have a lot of other stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know if my bullshit antenna is just, like,
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SPEAKER_02: always up when Kennedy's on screen,
40:04
SPEAKER_02: but the thing I thought,
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SPEAKER_02: like, everything in this is a lie, is when he said no one had diabetes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's not possible, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That no child had diabetes.
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SPEAKER_02: That there was no one that had diabetes at all?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I don't know about that 38% claim.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: That seems like a big number.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: It's a bit high.
40:21
SPEAKER_03: It's a big number.
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SPEAKER_03: I looked that up, and it was high.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't have the exact number,
40:26
SPEAKER_03: but he also said that Japan has no metabolic disease because they eat a lot of fish.
40:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, what?
40:32
SPEAKER_02: That's not true.
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SPEAKER_03: It's ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no metabolic disease in Japan, did you know?
40:37
SPEAKER_02: Come on.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: We have another clip.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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SPEAKER_02: And for the folks who don't like hearing Bobby Kennedy's voice, we apologize.
40:43
SPEAKER_02: But we think it is important that you watch at least a small segment of what
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SPEAKER_02: the Health and Human Services Secretary is up to with his work time.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: Let's watch another segment of the Food Network chef Jeffrey Zakarian extols
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SPEAKER_02: the virtues of eggs.
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SPEAKER_01: But today we're doing something really, which I love.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is the incredible egg.
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SPEAKER_01: And eggs were, I guess, 25 years ago, the best thing you could eat.
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SPEAKER_01: Then they became bad.
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SPEAKER_01: Now they're great again, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So what's really wonderful about eggs is it's an absolute...
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SPEAKER_01: Goldmine of nutrients, vitamin A, vitamin D, fat, protein, all the good stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: And we have special eggs.
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SPEAKER_01: These eggs, Mr. Secretary, are regenerative pasture-raised eggs.
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SPEAKER_01: And what does that mean?
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SPEAKER_01: They're slightly more expensive.
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SPEAKER_01: And eggs go anywhere from a buck a dozen up to four or five dollars a dozen or more.
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SPEAKER_01: So these particular eggs are about three or four dollars a dozen.
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SPEAKER_01: But what's great about these eggs,
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SPEAKER_01: they're regenerative and, which means they're pasture-raised outside.
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SPEAKER_01: They actually eat outside.
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SPEAKER_01: They eat They eat bugs, ruminants, and things like that, which feeds the egg.
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SPEAKER_01: And when you crack these eggs,
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SPEAKER_01: what you're gonna do in a minute, you're gonna see all the nutrients in that yolk.
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SPEAKER_01: It's bright, deep orange, and it's really amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, there is so many things to do with an egg.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, first off, regenerative pasture-raised eggs are expensive, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Aren't they very expensive?
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SPEAKER_03: I researched this.
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SPEAKER_03: I did that.
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SPEAKER_03: And regenerative pasteurized eggs,
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SPEAKER_03: or not pasteurized,
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SPEAKER_03: pasteurized eggs are between $6
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SPEAKER_03: and $9.50 a dozen compared to regular eggs.
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SPEAKER_03: A dozen can be had for like, what, $2 or something?
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SPEAKER_03: And he says they're a bit more expensive.
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SPEAKER_03: He doesn't mention also,
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SPEAKER_03: I have to add, that the recipe that he cooks on this show, it has like...
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SPEAKER_03: Two eggs, full eggs, and two egg yolks.
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SPEAKER_03: So you're tossing the whites out or one egg yolk, whatever.
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SPEAKER_03: When you go to the Health and Human Services website to get the actual recipe,
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SPEAKER_03: it uses the entire dozen eggs for four people.
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SPEAKER_03: And you're throwing four of those egg whites out.
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SPEAKER_03: Who, what?
42:52
SPEAKER_03: And at that price,
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SPEAKER_03: but it's supposed to be under $5 per serving, but it's just like a bait and switch.
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SPEAKER_00: And is there any evidence?
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SPEAKER_00: I think I read about this too,
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SPEAKER_00: but I'd love you to talk about the evidence behind
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SPEAKER_00: the regenerative pasture-raised eggs being somehow better for you.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, do you get bang for the buck?
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SPEAKER_00: Is it worth spending the extra money?
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SPEAKER_03: Listen, okay, that's a great question because they do have higher levels of some nutrients.
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SPEAKER_03: But is it worth it?
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't buy those eggs.
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SPEAKER_03: But people who can afford to buy those eggs shouldn't be the demographic
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SPEAKER_03: that he's looking to educate here.
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SPEAKER_03: There are people who are struggling to buy groceries,
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SPEAKER_03: so you're gonna tell them now
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SPEAKER_03: that regenerative pasture-raised eggs are somehow better,
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SPEAKER_03: or he doesn't even say that,
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SPEAKER_03: but he's like implying it,
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SPEAKER_03: and he does the same with the butter he uses, the French butter.
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SPEAKER_03: And it just makes people think, oh, I have to spend X in order to be healthy.
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SPEAKER_03: I can't just use these regular things.
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SPEAKER_03: Is it going to have a clinically relevant effect if you choose these eggs over regular eggs?
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SPEAKER_03: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that doesn't seem right either.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think for a lot of folks, it might just be like, well, I can't afford those.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: I can't afford French butter.
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SPEAKER_00: Screw it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to do any of it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to the drive-through or whatever, you know?
44:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm out of here.
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SPEAKER_02: Abby, one of the things that we say on this show all the time is that whatever
44:24
SPEAKER_02: the stated reason of Bobby Kennedy doing something peculiar is,
44:28
SPEAKER_02: It's never the actual reason.
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SPEAKER_02: The actual reason is always coalition management.
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SPEAKER_02: And so a little bit for me is just like the fact
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SPEAKER_02: that they're using really expensive ingredients in their show that's about cheap,
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SPEAKER_02: healthy dinners or whatever is actually because it's for people
44:45
SPEAKER_02: who can afford those ingredients.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: It's for an audience of like Maha influencers only.
44:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:52
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I did want to talk about beef tallow.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: In my life,
44:56
SPEAKER_02: I have had conservative family members on text change just out
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SPEAKER_02: of nowhere start extolling the virtues of beef tallow.
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SPEAKER_02: At my shishi grocery store that I go to in Chicago,
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SPEAKER_02: farm-raised beef tallow has showed up and increasingly occupied a larger space on
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SPEAKER_02: the counter.
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SPEAKER_02: There is a...
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SPEAKER_02: On a drive through Wisconsin,
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SPEAKER_02: there is a giant billboard that says, like, beef tallow.
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SPEAKER_02: I couldn't believe it.
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SPEAKER_02: I can't escape it.
45:26
SPEAKER_02: And I want to know why.
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SPEAKER_02: Could you have any insights into why beef tallow is so present in our lives today?
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SPEAKER_03: Because Kennedy said that it was healthy.
45:37
SPEAKER_03: That's why.
45:38
SPEAKER_03: And there's, like, this whole thing of biohackers.
45:41
SPEAKER_03: Um, no.
45:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:42
SPEAKER_03: I mean, as a dietitian,
45:46
SPEAKER_03: I believe that there are very few foods that I would say you should never eat it.
45:52
SPEAKER_03: Anything is fine in moderation.
45:54
SPEAKER_03: And in my opinion, a healthy diet has a variety of fats.
45:59
SPEAKER_03: If one of those fats is beef tallow, that's fine.
46:02
SPEAKER_03: But if you're swapping out all of the other oils in your diet for beef tallow,
46:08
SPEAKER_03: which is high in saturated fats,
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SPEAKER_03: Then that's problematic because their recommendation These people's recommendation
46:17
SPEAKER_03: to eat beef tallow is based on the thinking that saturated fats are not harmful
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SPEAKER_03: to health, but we know they are, right?
46:26
SPEAKER_03: Yes, there is nuance.
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SPEAKER_03: Saturated fats from dairy products are thought to not have
46:34
SPEAKER_03: the same negative health effects as the ones from beef tallow or meat or whatnot,
46:39
SPEAKER_03: but it's still...
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SPEAKER_03: Not associated with good health outcomes.
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SPEAKER_03: Like a diet that's high in saturated fat, especially from animal products.
46:49
SPEAKER_03: And it's just... Yeah, it's ridiculous.
46:51
SPEAKER_03: So no, like I don't...
46:54
SPEAKER_03: I see those chips that are fried in beef tallow at my fancy grocery store, and it's just...
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SPEAKER_03: I just have to shake my head.
47:01
SPEAKER_03: Because we're living in a post-truth era that,
47:05
SPEAKER_03: as a healthcare professional, I just don't even know where to go from here.
47:10
SPEAKER_00: So for literally the zero minutes of research I've done on beef towel in my life,
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SPEAKER_00: is that just like lard?
47:15
SPEAKER_00: It's animal fat, right?
47:16
SPEAKER_00: It's just... Am I right?
47:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, is some of this like a throwback of the good old days?
47:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, make America great and grandma fried everything in lard.
47:25
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, they were healthy.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, yeah, they also were out working in the fields.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: They were like walking to school.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, a lot of things were different.
47:32
SPEAKER_00: Like the air was cleaner,
47:33
SPEAKER_00: the water was cleaner because we didn't have, you know, all the pollution.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it feels like they're hearkening back to a time, right?
47:40
SPEAKER_03: It's the good old days policy, right?
47:42
SPEAKER_03: It's the good old days policy.
47:44
SPEAKER_03: And then in the second episode with the omelette...
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SPEAKER_03: Jeffrey Zakarian, he says that a lot.
47:53
SPEAKER_03: He's like, this is food that your grandparents ate.
47:56
SPEAKER_03: You know, we're just taking it back.
47:58
SPEAKER_03: We're throwing it back.
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SPEAKER_03: As if...
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SPEAKER_03: People didn't die so much younger then.
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SPEAKER_03: As if we had all of the stuff that we had,
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SPEAKER_03: like medical treatments that we have today, we did not.
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SPEAKER_03: People weren't necessarily healthier or happier in those times.
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SPEAKER_03: But this is, again,
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SPEAKER_03: that's very congruent with what we're seeing with natural food is better and
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SPEAKER_03: the good old days were better.
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SPEAKER_03: Women belong in the kitchen, and let's get some proud wives, and, you know, all of that stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: It's perfect.
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SPEAKER_02: Yikes.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe off the nutrition topic, Abby,
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SPEAKER_02: what did you...
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SPEAKER_02: Are you going to be watching this show every... Are you going to watch all of it?
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, it depends on how much content I actually need in the future.
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SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no, I have the first two.
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SPEAKER_03: I watched the first two and that was more than enough because I counted
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SPEAKER_03: so many pieces of misinformation in both those.
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SPEAKER_03: And I don't even have, I do not need to debunk the anti-seed oil crap one more time.
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SPEAKER_03: I've been doing it for what, like eight years?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's just kind of, it's all the same.
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SPEAKER_02: If people do want to continue to read your writings or follow you on topics
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SPEAKER_02: on nutrition and all the other things that you write about, where can they find you?
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SPEAKER_03: So I have a Substack called Bite Me by Abby Langer on my Instagram
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SPEAKER_03: at Langer Nutrition and on my website, Abby Langer Nutrition.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks,
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SPEAKER_00: Abby Langer,
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SPEAKER_00: registered dietitian,
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SPEAKER_00: viewer of two episodes of Bobby Kennedy's cooking show,
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SPEAKER_00: probably enough, more than I will watch in my life.
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SPEAKER_00: And we really appreciate your time, appreciate your take on all of this.
49:49
SPEAKER_00: And I tell you,
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SPEAKER_00: if he makes some more news with tallow or other things,
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SPEAKER_00: nutrition, we're going to give you a call.
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SPEAKER_02: We're back.
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SPEAKER_02: That was great, Rob.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I had fun.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: It was sad to have to listen to even two clips of the show,
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SPEAKER_00: and bless Abby for watching two full episodes.
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SPEAKER_00: I will not be tuning in,
50:08
SPEAKER_00: and I'll just have to be paying attention to her socials to get a take of someone
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SPEAKER_00: who I think has the right take on that show.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: Dear God.
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SPEAKER_02: We got a new sponsor, Rob.
50:18
SPEAKER_02: We got Beef Tallow.
50:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh, Beef Tallow.
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SPEAKER_02: No, no, just kidding.
50:22
SPEAKER_02: All right.
50:23
SPEAKER_02: Why don't we call it a day then, Rob?
50:25
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SPEAKER_02: Rob, you have a great day.
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SPEAKER_02: It's great talking.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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