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721. Irish Sessions, Etiquette, and Starting New · Be It Till You See It

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's too intimate to be putting pressure on it because I did lose it so I'm putting my hands in my hair because I feel like it's here and the music when I play it it's he unsposed me because it is a fetal as well or if I hadn't but it's something so close and I have lost it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did lose it for a while and if I lost it again I don't know if I could survive if that's seconds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Beat till you see it podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also Logan, Ply's instructor, and fit this business coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've trained thousands of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a practice, not a perfect, let's get started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, be a babe, here's the up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a unique topic on the podcast, but actually we go extremely applicable to your life of anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna talk about learning, we're gonna talk about rock bottoms, we're gonna talk about etiquette with the types of people that you're wanting to be around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's just quite fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tara's my new Irish friend that I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I needed her name's Tara Conhan and she actually is own award-winning podcast host.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she teaches people how to play Irish music and also be in Irish sessions and the etiquette for that and you're what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But all of it is I think really,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the conversation is so helpful because if you want to be it till you see it in, I want to be in a pickle ball league or I want to be teaching X thing or I want to learn this new skill with some of the things we have to understand is the process of learning and then the etiquette of how do we join these groups?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are those things?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really quite fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for you to hear her and then you'll have to check out her award-winning podcast because that's so great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's Tara Kahnan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, be it babes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be totally interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've definitely haven't had a guest on before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that means we get to learn something new but also learn things that we can use along our way to something unique.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Tara on hand is our guest today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tara, can you tell who you are and what you rock at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi Leslie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am an Irish traditional musician.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love playing Irish music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love playing music in Irish music sessions, particularly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm from the north-west of Ireland, which is Donnie Goll, which is kind of it's not part of Northern Ireland, but it's more Northern and Northern Ireland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's geographically in Northern Ireland, but not politically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're in the proper public environment, very confusing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've left all over Ireland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've left around the world a couple of bits, but mostly I'm always kind of living around Ireland, but I'm back in Donnie Gole.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now for the last maybe 12 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just love sessions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I teach adults a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: they're always worried about joining into sessions because there may be new common newcomers to the sessions and so I always thought it was performance anxiety that was the problem but actually what's feeding the performance anxiety is that they don't know the etiquette to joining sessions and so that was why I decided to start a podcast almost a year ago about etiquette so teaching people the etiquette of joining sessions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there's so many things I want to talk about because it's first of all, what are sessions?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to note the etiquette is, but also it just goes into a lot of us do label something, performance anxiety or it's just blanket anxiety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When really it's we don't have to be a beginner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to enter something new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to join a group because when you're an adult,
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the groups are already kind of filled and you're I've got to join in on something and they already know everything and I don't know and we don't know how to be begin is that kind of what's happening totally totally yeah okay so just so we have the definitions what are sessions and what is the etiquette.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A session can be lots of, there's lots of different types of sessions and different functions for sessions, but the main session is that it's a group of musicians who get together to play Irish music, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of the simplest term or the simplest way of explaining it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's people who kind of know what Irish music is and they want to play it with each other and they want to kind of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: share their music together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're making a band, but you're not a band.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there's no music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I say usually a session is usually something that without microphones, although sometimes has microphones because it's maybe for tourists or maybe it's an noisy pub or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's usually the ones that are in the corner with no microphones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just playing to each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's like jazz when they get together and they just play together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there can be sessions of any kind, but sessions for this would be the Irish musicians getting together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then is the etiquette different for the Irish music versus, I guess, any musician or what does that look like?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's particularly different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There may be there are slight differences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe one of the things is that you could be playing in a session with some of your heroes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Quite accessible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was traditional musicians almost would be classed as their professionals but amateur's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, OK. Because they're not all making a living from it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you could have some of the highest quality of Irish musicians playing in a session.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you might might have just come across or maybe have never heard I was music before and you walk in and you could be listening to some of the most amazing musicians that's so cool I love this so this is I'm grateful for the definitions because I
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're an expert in this area, but this is the thing for a lot of things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could be in a chess group or a Majon, or a pickle ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a pleasure to travel to you to play as instructors and I find that if I want to just be in the group sometimes, the nervousness from the other people who maybe watch my videos or things like that, they get nervous and they have this performance anxiety and it's like we're just here to kind of hang out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, if we could take it in a broad sense, how did you get here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we don't wake up going, I'm going to teach this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like what you tell someone in kindergarten.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to, this is what I grow up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to teach Irish music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So can you go back to your journey?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned that I teach the adults mostly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a four and I did a federal class that I do, and I also teach it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's different summer schools or camps or things that we would teach music at.
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[SPEAKER_02]: throughout the year, you know, for the last one, I'm playing music for nearly 40 years, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am playing music for 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, that just dawned on me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing though, but it's for knowing because wow, so much cloud and also, oh, I'm older than I thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been teaching a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I do prefer to teach adults.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just have a unnatural sort of bond because I don't want to be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm there putting all their time and their energy and they really want to be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas kids, the parents want them to be there so up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just want to be with people who want to do something and then I can help them if they don't want to be there then I can't help them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And every workshop, even though it's more about repertoire when you're in the workshop or like we're learned, this tune will learn this tune and we'll learn, you know, so we might learn maybe three tunes a day or maybe one tune to print on the levels of people and always within within one of those workshops or classes or camps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: there will always be questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once upon a person asks, do I have enough tunes to start, you know, to play in a session?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or do can I set their am I allowed to do this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm allowed to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have to have this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have, you know, there's so many questions and because there's so many unknowns and they don't know the answers, they are terrified.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when you're kind of anxious and terrified, you probably do actions that you wouldn't normally do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you make a mistake because you're so, you can't, the nerves are taking away the ability to be present.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then they said, you know, that then things happen and they're like, oh, and then so such and just give out to me for doing something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's, we've all been given out as, I mean, it's a natural sort of a free go back to the animal kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this kind of a natural look, you don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, don't do this and you're kind of almost like a cat would do to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's kitten.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you kind of give a, you know, you kind of give a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that you're trying to say you shouldn't be, you know, there's no kind of you shouldn't do it over, but it's just kind of a no, no, no, don't wait this or wait for your turn or wait to this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of the natural, you're teaching the natural language of your culture, but whatever, but that's normally given to children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very hard to give that to then an adult who is your peer in terms of age, but not your peer in terms of skill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a really difficult thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wish people are very, very bad at giving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to offend anybody said we're just saying nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then things can blister away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wonder if anyone is going to get feedback very much because we're not trained as that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't go,
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[SPEAKER_01]: to college and learn, okay, in your life, if you have to give feedback to someone, this is the way you give it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's not anything anyone's trained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if your culture is more, we're just not gonna say anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just gonna get bestered, blister, and we'll just, you'll just, we'll put you over there in the corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other people will just tell you what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's honestly cramped someone's spirit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, stamp, go flower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can just like step on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we all have to learn how to be better at feedback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's different when students are learning
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're younger, I mean, yes, there's still personality types that are putting pressure themselves to be perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But no matter your age, there are different levels to learning correct, because I think whether or not you are learning Irish music or anything, every learning has a level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we try to dance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's the four stages of learning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's that when you're totally unconsciously aware, you're completely unaware that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you were, you know, maybe two, your mother tied your shoelaces.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't tie your two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't even know that shoelaces existed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just not in your, you know, in your conscious room at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then maybe as you get a, you know, maybe five, four or five, and you're like, Hold on a second, my mother's time, I sure does this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to try that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you start getting, I want to try it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's that where you're kind of your conscious of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you realize high badge, you're at it, you're competency level is pretty per se, you're incompetent, but what you're consciously incompetent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know you're shit at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so hard because you just, it's so frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so frustrated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I might.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this stuff like me with surfing or, you know, certain things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, no, what can't do this, I'm like, yes, I understand that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand the, the way that I, my, just with ADHD, I can be okay being bad at something because, but I have to get good at it quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the attention spans not there, but, but it's, it is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We see that in people and all learning things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I teach people how to teach Pilates and you can see,
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[SPEAKER_01]: even if they're already teaching Pilates when they would discover that there is stuff that they didn't know, they didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's a frustration that no one told them, I didn't know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a, right, but you can't be told that no one is expert everything when they're new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're starting to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then we're pissed off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're frustrated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we don't quit, what happens next?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if we don't quite, we keep going, then we start getting to a place where we're more competent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we've got a bit more competency.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is quite a big, there's a big range, but then that's so it's kind of like the, you're starting to get competent and then you grow up to be, you know, get up to being more, much more competent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and you're consciously aware that you're confident.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's maybe when you're six or seven, and you're still tying the shoe dices, you can tie them, but it takes a bit of, you know, you're still focusing on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that takes a huge amount of energy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's very exhausting stage where you're focusing on, I have to tie the shoe that I have to do this loop in that loop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I have to do this, and you know, you're fingers are still through to re-added.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the same with playing instrument, you're kind of like, I know I have to, I have to focus on,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're like doing this thing or this thing and then breathe and then this one and that you're still talking yourself through it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, or even driving, you know, I have to put my foot here and I've to put that and look at the clutch, I've to put on my seat belt before all that and I have to look in the mirror to do this so many things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's kind of that you're still rolling through the your brain is still rolling through the process of how to do it and then you get to the last stage, which is your competent, but you're unconsciously competent, so it's totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, did you remember tying your shoe dices this morning?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, you did it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It becomes part of ingrain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't even know that you're doing it anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you can do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you know, the same with praying the fetal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm thinking of something else because this is unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's already it's in the muscle memory of my fingers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the muscle memory of my brain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the muscle memory of my elbows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My whole body, so my body does it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My muscles make everyone do that and I then can focus on not something else, but something like
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[SPEAKER_02]: The next level, which is like, how do I do it better?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do I, how do I do the intricacies?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're listening something you're going to, such and such did that, oh, I might do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you're just, you're listening for something else and you're at the next stage, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can be, you can take more in, you know, my husband's musician, that's not me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can attribute it to things in my world where it's, I retook a workshop that I've, I've taken from this person before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought I was just gonna sit there and, you know, get reminded of a few quotes I like for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they said something else, what?
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[UNKNOWN]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, oh, I didn't know the thing before that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't ingrained to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I couldn't even pick up on this, if I wanted to, it's always was there, but I wasn't even, I didn't have the capacity to take to hear it or see it or understand it because I just had to get the muscle memory there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that that nuance could even be a nuance,
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[SPEAKER_02]: On that takes years, people, suppose we're in such a culture that everything is convenient, it's quick, it's, you know, everything's fast, but there's no, I don't think there's anything that can replace just time of learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Put in the time and tell her how do you help people do that though because obviously what you do is so unique But however you help them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all have to understand that it does take time and it's hard for adults because there's so much Unconscious competence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's happening because we're in our life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could drive home without even realizing it like there's just things What you do that scares the fuck out of me ever time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did I get here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa whoa?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how do we remind adults how do you remind the adults to be patient to go through the different stages?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not it's not easy, none of us like it for anything, you know, so like I got a soul machine, I am crap at show sewing that crap was I never did it in school, I did woodwork and scared instead and so you know just takes it and I just have to remind people you know it may only be that it's five minutes per day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then a supplement with a couple of maybe intense weekends or intense week where you're really focused on a look for almost like 12 hours days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And not really supplements, but you need the five minutes per day, five to ten minutes per day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think really helps people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's step into that because like I think people think, oh, I'll just do this on my day off, but if you just do several hours on one day, that doesn't actually it's almost do think it's better if they were to five to minutes per day for six to seven days is better than one day for two hours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely 1,000 percent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And do we know why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we know why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are actually studies that show that that is much more because you're building up the muscle memory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't build it up and one go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You build it up every day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, you don't wash your teeth just once a week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, every day because if you wash your teeth for two hours once a week, it would not even make up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it's like three times it
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, it's not going to make the difference because the plaque is already there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be too hard to remove it, but that's just what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's five time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I think that's the hard part, right, because he'll go that's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it doesn't even matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the whole day tomorrow, I'm learning the concertina as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do play the fiddle, have played the fiddle for almost 40 years, but I have a concertina, which is this little kind of hexagon shaped instrument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I normally have it at my desk, but I'm not at my desk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually in New York.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's a constant teen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to look this up on your visual.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A concertina concert concertina, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, it's not like for everyone who's not googling this weather driving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, they're not cheap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like an accordion, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: a hexagon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, six or seven sides.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So your fingers are working from both sides.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's very petite and undainty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a real kind of woman.
17:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
17:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's an accordion is not sexy.
17:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing sexy about accordion.
17:50
[SPEAKER_01]: This, this is quite cute.
17:52
[SPEAKER_01]: This looks like a Victorian era.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, it's very ornate and designs on it yet.
17:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm learning that now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had right beside my computer because, you know, you just want to especially, you know, you're kind of doing something and and then you need like a coffee beans kind of things.
18:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Re-shrash your brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I used to have that kind of play for five, five or 10 minutes and I didn't have access to my constrain effort by 15 years ago because somebody else I had lent it to somebody else and they forgot to give it back to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So eventually I got
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're about five, look, just whenever I got bored or not bored, but my brain was overworked and I overwhelmed and I needed to deep down to for five minutes and I just play it on my other half was in because the first day when I was oh my god can't remember where the notes are and it was like, you know, like the one finger typing, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so after a couple of weeks, I can kick him down to the office.
18:48
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, did I actually sound in quite good?
18:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Like as it comes because it came back to you because you just have it I love what you said like you just had it right next to you and I think for anything we're wanting to do it my my listeners know I was studying the terror and unfortunately it got away from me because we I had the app which is great because I couldn't have the when I was traveling I couldn't have the cards but I'm a physical kind of person and so when I was at home having the cards and the book at my desk like I'm waiting for the zoom call to start I could just like read a page.
19:20
[SPEAKER_01]: and having those little doses of information, it actually allows you to take it in, whereas it's a lot, especially when you're in the incompetence, it's a lot on the brain to do it in your own way.
19:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you don't retain as much.
19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm studying like the science of learning right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like really interested in this.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a whole lot we have to do self-reflection and self-quizzing.
19:44
[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually the best when you're learning anything.
19:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not waiting for the test to come or you cram for a foreign in music, I guess, the concert to come where you perform.
19:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to kind of test your skills on your own and then learn from what you don't know.
19:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think for joining a session then as well, you're have to learn to play with other people.
20:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And that can be a big sort of a learning car as well, because it might be that it's a new, like you've just started the instrument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is totally new.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've got a new instrument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, you know, I'm still trying to figure out where the nooks are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still trying to figure all this out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still, you know, you're still kind of almost incompetent, but you need to learn also how to play with other people if you want to join a session.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think those kind of camps are a great place for to do that and there can be big sessions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're kind of can hide behind people and hide for a while until you kind of get the a bit more competency in playing with others because it's really different skill being able to listen to yourself while listening to others.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is how do you get the, because that's a bit of courage and bravery to go from playing by yourself in your home to okay I'm going to take this what advice do you have for people who there's embarrassment there's nervous like how do you get over yourself enough to go because I'm someone who got flying on the wall until I'm a shot off the cliff like that's kind of me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but like you get there's already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a good idea to, if you're learning from a class situation where you've got classmates, and then maybe your teacher might have once a year or once a month or once a week, session where they encourage you to kind of come and if you want to join a session, and it's a very gentle process where you're kind of coming into it in a very gentle way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I would definitely not recommend you do is go into
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[SPEAKER_02]: a session where there are high level musicians who need something totally different.
21:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're a beginner musician, you want to be feeling kind of a belonging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to sense this the sense of community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A high level musician who's been playing for 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's they already have that they what they want to challenge and you're not going to challenge them if you're a newcomer so don't be afraid or don't be not afraid but don't be kind of put yourself in that position where you would be like so don't take it personally I think it's what I'm trying to say because that's yeah well this makes a lot of sense to me because you have in life if you're if you have a scale or there's something you're doing it's really good to have people who are
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the people who are below you, you know, in a different level, playing with people below you builds your confidence because whoa, I'm not like that anymore, right?
22:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Playing with people who at the same level is you, it makes you feel comfortable and okay, I've got my people.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But typically, if you're going to play with people who are above you, you be paying to play with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're in their workshop or you're in their thing because they
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need people above them, to challenge them and people that like them who understand what they need.
22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're going to have people below them, because they're teaching them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's it's funny that you should pick them up so quickly, because that seems to be something that we've supposed to be so close to it.
22:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't see the wood from the trees when you're so in the middle of it.
22:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's only recently that I figured, you know, from conversations, actually, you know, that's more of a teaching environment
23:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a very different thing that's a quite draining because you're giving a lot of energy.
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not getting yourself filled up, there has to be sessions for the person who's more of the expert to be filled up.
23:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I teach a lot of students and I have no problems doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when I am in the workshop to learn,
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: If people bother me to understand that I'm like, oh, I'm not in that brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I find I'm very particular about the places I go to learn in or be challenged in because I want to stay in that mode that frame.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you are wanting me to teach you in that space, I'm a little bit like, okay, this is, I've got to get my cup filled.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I suppose I would love to be able to say that in certain situations where, you know, it's just I think we're quite welcoming.
23:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of the, yeah, and that's a hard part because I don't want to, I don't want to stand by anyone's flowers or anyone's willingness to learn it.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I also don't think that they don't understand what they don't, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they don't know that they're just asking a question and you are an expert and you are, so I'm going to usually teach it, but there has to be a space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where you can go be yourself and be challenging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have found that some people like to shame like scaled musicians for having that and I'm trying to call that I can go, no, I'm not happy that that is something that should be.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's interesting, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what an awareness we can have because it's fine that have the need to have space to be in your creative space or to not be in teaching mode, to be in play mode or creativity mode.
24:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And also how do we remind people of those of the rules of the space without hurting their feelings or pissing them off or making them feel like they're stupid?
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know if you have those in Ireland, but people have these signs in their house like in this house, we believe in science and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We believe in these when you walk into this space, if these level musicians are playing, you're free to watch, but please write down all questions and save them for your
25:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the, you know, it's okay to be in presence, of course, and be inspired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is where you're allowed when you're allowed to ask the questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it goes to the etiquette.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like having rules for, you know, if your house will has no shoes on or shoes off, it's kind of like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's always been one of those kind of environments that is very spontaneous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think when you have a spontaneous environment,
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: The thought of road is makes it really kind of, I understand.
25:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought, well, you know, Tony Dalton, we had her on the show and she talked about when there are boundaries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone can be more creative and have more fun.
25:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She explained it.
25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys I'll put this link in the show and it's because I actually don't remember a episode number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She is, but
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: She said, if there's a school playground and there's no fence and the teachers tell the kids, hey, stay close to the school building to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have some kids who literally don't leave the wall, like they just play next to the wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have some kids who play in the middle and then you're going to have some kids who are going all the way to the edge, because they're want to see how far can they go, right, but if you, if you put the fence up and you say to stay in the fence, then all of a sudden the kids can, like everyone can play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess it's interesting because some people like don't want to have rules on things to affect the creativity, but they'll have more creativity if they just have some set rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think everybody feels safer as well than if there's some sort of boundaries that's like, well, you know, especially newcomers, they can feel safe because they know right, well, this is maybe not the session or this one is the session for me.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I'm the girl who being next to the wall because I don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to fuck it up and I don't want to embarrass myself and I don't want to make someone mad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would be the person who doesn't even join any session, even the ones my level, because I would know, I would, you know, so I think that's where it's important, no matter what the thing is
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have to have the added, understand the etiquette, but also the people above us have to define that so that we can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's the host of the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Tara, okay, you're enthusiasm and joy for what you do is so contagious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how did you get to keep your passion for this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I have to imagine that in the 40 years a plane music, it's not the Irish music has been famous for all 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did you keep going out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what did you do?
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you find this new, I mean, then you're in this new space where you have this podcast?
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess people listen in this have been doing things for 20 or 30 years and sometimes they wonder if they should keep doing that.
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it worth doing?
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: How do they
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did have a time in my early 30s where I, which is almost 20 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, I just looked at pictures of myself at 25.
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, that was a long time ago.
28:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess when I arrived in New York, a couple of days ago, I had a suitcase and I was walking, I was trying to walk up the stairs, carried up the stairs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this fella, y'all felt, I think he was probably about 25.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or something said, do you want me to help?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, no, no, I've got a friend coming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to help me as well.
28:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, oh, I'm really, this was my mother, I hope somebody would help me.
28:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: he was being so sweet and also the realization, but of course I could be his mother but I don't even care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand my friends, my age of kids in high school so either I could have a high school or
28:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could totally have somebody who's you know gone through college.
28:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, finished college.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's not full there.
28:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So in my 30s, I did have a bit of a wow, I thought I would be some part different.
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought things would feel different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are kind of realizations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was always this kind of a thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was going to be different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought we're going to be this amazing.
29:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I want through a bit of a, a, maybe not a spiral downwards, but I just lost behind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it kind of spiraled to a couple of things like a friend, like someone who was really, really close to me, passed away, and that, that person held with them my future dreams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that totally took the carpet from underneath me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was stuck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what do I do now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was totally there.
29:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
29:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think when you get to rock bottom, you go, what are the things that are actually really important?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I had to do.
29:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to just go, you know, food, water.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're talking basic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I had kind of probably experienced a bit of PTSD at the time post-traumatic stress disorder because I couldn't plan ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then the next hour, I'm wondering why one of the basic needs that I need, and so luck food, water, shelter, friendship, and I thought, you know what music is what is for comfort fills my cup.
30:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I had to figure out what was the thing that filled my cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was all the, you know, I have loads of interests.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was the one thing that I really wanted?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think when you get to rock bottom
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[SPEAKER_02]: things become so clear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm not advocating for getting to rock bottom, but if you want clarity, you will find it down there.
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, here's the guy heard someone say you can't take someone's rock bottom away and she's and it's like it's not you get to watch them hit the wall, you know, you can give advice, but also sometimes we don't learn what we need to until we are there, some of us just need to clear everything away and I have to say I am so grateful for the rock bottom I had because it was okay, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I have got nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what if I'm going to add to this nothing, it better be something I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to add.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the first time I have a clean slate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to add stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a really deep tone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the mind that really focuses on just the important things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so music was the thing that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was like, it was almost not at the light at the end of the tunnel, but it was just something that I had that was present that was just fell in my cup was your sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I kept doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kept not that I was doing it all the time, but when I needed this sort of, because I just want, I went home to my parents.
31:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I suddenly slept for a bit six months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't go outside the door.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember having,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Relations and all you can't do is actually but I'm just like, please don't ever tell anybody that they can't take the time that they need to recover because I need it that time, you know, it took a good few years, but I needed the six months of complete and order sleep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then took another couple of years before I was kind of able to get back to kind of been a normal person again, and I'd say I'm a huge mind stronger because of it and just more clear so yeah music is just and I think every time I'm in a session the other thing is if I'm playing for money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, so I kind of removed that even the way still get paid, I removed the or this one is a gig or this one is it's I'm going to go and I'm going to play music fantastic somebody gives me money at the end right and I sometimes want to make sure that it's good money at the end, but it's it's I looked at it differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't to for the money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was for the music and then somebody gives me money as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you sharing that journey because
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we all look at other people and go, oh my goodness, they must have loved this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're whole life and not realize that there are parts of their life where they loved it, but they didn't get up for six months.
32:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's just everyone is on a up and down journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, always ends up, but it's going to have its own nuances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we don't take the time, we need to find what fills our cup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I don't know that we get to and I don't know that we get to enjoy it.
33:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like life is worth enjoying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yes, sometimes we get paid for things we love, but also we should do things because we love them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that was my, that's how I got, how I got out of that sort of, I'm doing it for the money.
33:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've ever read the big magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an obsessed, great book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, French past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure I agree with her later, most recent years of life, but I love that book.
33:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that book.
33:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone must require reading so good.
33:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's just a much freedom to your creativity as well.
33:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, yeah, that's okay.
33:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a muse.
33:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like you're the host of our creative idea and you entertain it or eventually it'll just go like I need to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an idea and I need to be creative.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're not going to create me, somebody else will have to do it and then they move from it.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's such a great idea.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, if you're what is she saying, you have to go, you have to go read it.
34:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's ideas want to be born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Elizabeth Gilbert, I believe, it's a name and she wrote, she wrote, he pray love and she even shares, like she still worked as a professor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: even after she wrote that book, even if after is a bestseller, even after she sold it as a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was years before she said, okay, I can just be a writer for a living.
34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's really important for those, I think that's important lesson for all of us who are doing something we're passionate about because the pressure you put on it changes your and the joy you get out of it.
34:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also what you create.
34:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so it's just it's too it's too to me to be putting pressure on it for because I have like a I did lose it.
34:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm putting my hands in my hair because I feel like it's here music when I play it it's he I'm supposed to be because it is a Federal as well or if I and you know what's here anyway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but if it's something so close and I have lost it you know I did lose it for a while and if I lost it again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I could survive if that second.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for sharing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really important.
35:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Terry, you're so fun.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a brief break and find out what people can find you follow you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take sessions with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Tara.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you hang out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can listen to your podcast.
35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Can anyone play Irish music?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell us everything.
35:32
[SPEAKER_02]: They can listen to it on esplotify, Amazon, or whatever, for Apple, it's called InTune with Tradition.
35:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also that there's a sub-title perspectives on session etiquette and Irish traditional music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a website called session etiquette.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also have a true kind of thing coming up, kind of a private session experience in September, 2020, 26th at the end of September.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a couple of places left on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it'll be in Ireland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like September and Ireland's probably good weather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, sometimes actually, do you know what's very really good weather is April?
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[SPEAKER_02]: April from the last three or four years of being has been really good, really dry, sunny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the rest of summer's awful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then around September, sometimes can pick up again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: feels like Vegas weather, but probably different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: April's so beautiful here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't don't take me away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the summer, get me the, get me out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a New Yorker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just really, really hot for the last couple of days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today's is nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting place to be when it's too hot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we've talked a lot about different things about learning and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've given us so much already, but what bold, executable intrinsic or targeted steps do you have for people to be at till they see it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this should listen to my podcast number one, no?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I'm on New York is because it's a award when you podcast is just one of some awards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, get out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I put more actionable steps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just pick the thing that fills your cup and go for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If that's Irish music, fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's not, do the thing that makes you really, really, just gives you so much joy and fills your cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if, you know, because otherwise, the downside to that, is you will always try to be trying to fill your cup with something that can't do, you know, can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's so true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, congratulations on your podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, that's not an easy thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also with a new podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, wait, go, Tara.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I agree, I was just watching a show and it's clear people on the show who don't have anything else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have something that fills their cup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so my husband's listening to somebody and they're, if you don't have something that's like a hobby, something that's creative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: friends and family and work that gives you purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have those three things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You take one of those away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You put too much pressure on the other things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're never going to give you the tripod.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to fall over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I couldn't, I just, I feel like that's a really important for today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we all need that information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, go listen to Tara's award-winning podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ugh, go listen to it and go figure out if it's, if you don't know what's feeling your cup, maybe it's time to go start trying new things and be consciously incompetent for a little bit, it'll get, it'll get better.
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