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I'm Megan with the Eye Believe Podcast for A Cure in Sight
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and I have a great guest with us tonight
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to honor Men's Health Month
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so I have Marco Moreno here with us
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welcome Marco
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hi Megan
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how's it going thank you for the invitation
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glad to be here
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yes we're thrilled to have you here
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so tell us a little bit about what you do
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and what we're gonna talk about
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yes I'm actually a Gracie Jiu Jitsu black belt
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I've been teaching Jiu Jitsu in Leesburg
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Virginia for the past 13 years
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I got my black belt under Grandmaster Relson Gracie
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which is the son of the founder of Gracie Jiu Jitsu
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master Helio Gracie and through my years of teaching
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I have seen the positive impact of Jiu Jitsu
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in all my students kids
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men women
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so I'm very happy to talk to you all about it fantastic
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so why don't you start by telling us what is Jiu Jitsu
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how is it different from another martial art
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Jiu Jitsu is a form of grappling
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grappling is something that humans have done for
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thousands of years the Greeks were doing wrestling
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the earliest
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record of this particular style of grappling
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called Jiu Jitsu can be traced back to uh Japan
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Jiu Jitsu is a Japanese word that means the gentle art
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and it was uh
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techniques used by uh military
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the samurai were using Jiu Jitsu as their hand to hand
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combat fighting style around the um
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I think late 1800s
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Japan became open to the world after a
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a big restoration this art was meant to be lost
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but there was a scholar
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his name was Jigoro Kano and he had the
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the great idea to uh
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rescue theseJiu Jitsu techniques
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and reapply it for a modern use
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he categorized it he organized the Jiu Jitsu techniques
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from different schools of Jiu Jitsu
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from all over Japan he created a curriculum
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he package it and he put it to the service of
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instead of for military just for uh civilians
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so his idea was that Jiu Jitsu
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and the practice of this martial art
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eh was going to help the betterment of society
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at that time in the late 1800s
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early 1900s
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eh Jiu Jitsu and Judo
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because eh
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Jigoro Kano repackage Jiu Jitsu and call it Judo
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but at that time Jiu Jitsu and Judo
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the terms meant the same thing
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and then from there many Japanese
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Jiu Jitsu fighters
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were going all over the world to teach this art
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and one of them arrived in Brazil
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and just to make the the long story short
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one Japanese guy who arrived in Brazil
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Mitsuo Maeda taught Jiu Jitsu to the Gracie family
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Helio Gracie modified he made the style even better
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and then I think from there
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he start teaching all his kids
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he had a lot of kids
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between Helio Gracie and Carlos Gracie
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they had more than 20 kids
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from that point on uh
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1993 Jiu Jitsu has become the most uh rapid sport grow
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growing sport eh
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all over the world
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and now it's also called Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
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so that's the style of our practice
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mainly it's a grappling art
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but originally Jiu Jitsu also has some striking
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but the difference between Jiu Jitsu and other arts is
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that is uh
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mainly grappling
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it's not like karate or taekwondo or Kung fu
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and the particular style of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
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focus a lot also on the ground
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so a lot of fights a lot of styles
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don't cover the ground aspect of a fight
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but Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is
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taking somebody onto the ground
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and controlling them
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and using submissions and also all kind of joint locks
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that is fascinating so how did you get into it
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well I was uh
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I'm from Peru so I was in Peru and I was uh
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in college and let's say
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I was just having too much fun in college
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yup eh
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to the point that
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I got to a point where I realized that I kind of
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was wasting my youth wasting my energy
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and I was not doing anything positive with myself
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I really wasn't happy with the
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my lifestyle
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uh back then I saw Royce Gracie in uh
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the first uh UFC event
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the Ultimate Fighting Championship
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where he went
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and being the smaller fighter in that tournament
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he defeated the biggest guys
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he defeated big wrestlers
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he defeated big karate guys
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and it was just so impressive
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to see how effective his technique was
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so I had it like in my
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in my mind that that will be a cool thing to do
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to learn Jiu Jitsu
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but there was no Jiu Jitsu schools in my town
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and I remember just driving or in the bus passing and
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and looking at the sign of a Judo school
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and after years that was my
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my route when I was going to college from my house uh
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I decide one day to just going
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and that day I joined my first class uh
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the instructor there his name is Pablo Salvatierra
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he became my my best friend
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one of my best friends and he was teaching the class
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he was a brown belt at the time
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and then I joined the class and just the first minutes
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we were doing warm ups
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and then we were doing take downs
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I remember after the class I felt so good that I
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I worked out
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and the next day my body was so sore and I felt like a
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in a way alive that my body woke up
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and I love the feeling right there
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I decided that I was gonna do Jiu Jitsu
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for the rest of my life haha
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here I am after day one yes
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day 1 I already knew this is it
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and I haven't stopped ever since well
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I had to stop for injuries or for eh
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when I came to the United States I stopped for a year
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but that year was 2002 when I started the Jiu Jitsu
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so it's been more than 20 years that I've been
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using Jiu Jitsu and it completely changed my life
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and that's why I'm also teaching it to students
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because I feel uh
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very passionate about it
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I felt like if that Jiu Jitsu can do that for me
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it can do it for others as well
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so I decided to become in a way an ambassador
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somebody who can introduce Jiu Jitsu to other people
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and hopefully they will also see the benefits
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what was it about Jiu Jitsu
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that was so intriguing to you
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like what was it that started that addiction
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do you think
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ah yes
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it's funny that you mention
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because it can become like an addiction
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but it I will say it's a healthy addiction right
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oh for sure
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absolutely right so I think to me the
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the main thing was at the beginning
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it was the workout
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the workout was uh
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the main thing at that time
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I was looking to get in shape
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and it's just a good functional workout
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for example
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when you go to the gym and you're running the treadmill
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it's just you're just running
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it's boring you know
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there's no I don't think it's very challenging
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I mean it can get challenging in a way right
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but here you are actually when you are doing Jiu Jitsu
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uh somebody's trying to take you down or submit you
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so you have to defend yourself
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if you don't want to get choked out
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so you're actually uh
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moving for a reason and at the same time
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you're also thinking and trying to
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solve the riddle that he's trying to throw at you
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so that I like that part of the workout and it's
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it becomes fun right
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so it's not like
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automatic or something that takes a lot of effort
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to go to the gym instead
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you just
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to become something that you look forward to do
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and at the same time this is what happens if you uh
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let's say you have a
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and you start eating junk food or drink the day before
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or you didn't sleep well
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and then you go to Jiu Jitsu class
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you gonna pay for it and you gonna regret that
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you ate so bad the day before
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or the same day right
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and you gonna be probably
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somebody's gonna make you pay for it
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somebody's gonna choke you
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take your arm and you're gonna be like
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I don't want this to happen to me again
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so I'm gonna take care of myself
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I'm not gonna eat too much sugar or too much junk food
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so I can be ready next time when I go to Jiu Jitsu
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and I don't get beat up so bad
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so then
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Jiu Jitsu become something that holds you accountable
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accountability right
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when if you don't take care of yourself
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when you show to the mats
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it's gonna show you're gonna be slow
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you're gonna have low energy
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and somebody is gonna make you pay for it
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so I love that in Jiu Jitsu
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so he forced me to keep eating healthy
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to sleep well
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because I didn't want to suck on the mats haha
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I mean that makes sense okay
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so you found something that you were loving
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it was making you feel good
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and then
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how did you decide that you wanted to teach it
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and take that next step yes uh
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the teaching happens very um organically
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once you start getting promoted
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and going through the ranks
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you start getting a Blue Belt
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it's still a learning curve when you are doing
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when you are a Blue belt
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but when you get to a purple belt
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you are pretty good at Jiu Jitsu
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and you will see the white belts that come
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and they are totally lost
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and you see them making the same mistakes you made
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so you start helping them
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so it comes from like hey
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don't do it like that do it like this
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and I remember my instructor at the time
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his name is uh Don Wallen eh
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I used to train at a school called fightworks
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in Sterling
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Virginia when I moved here to the United States
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uh when I got to purple belt
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and he saw my interest on helping
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and he gave me the chance to teach one class
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on Tuesday nights
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so I start teaching my class on Tuesday nights
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and some guys will show up
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and I start seeing myself as a teacher at that time um
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and then eh from there what happened is that eh
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then after years after a few years there
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he decided to move uh
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to another state and close the school
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and at that time I was living in Leesburg
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so I made the commute from this
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we're to start learning to train there
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and I think that was a right time
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I got my brown belt
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which is the belt before the black belt
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and that's when I decided
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it was a good time for me to open a school
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and then I open the school in Leesburg in 2011 and yes
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like I said it start happening without you even realize
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becoming a teacher and people are listen
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is listening to you
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and people are coming to you and saying hey
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thank you for the class today
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uh when I start
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when I open the school parents will come and say
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thank you for my kid is doing great
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now that he's doing Jiu Jitsu
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you'll see the impact and then you get motivated
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so it comes from a place of helping others
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to me one of the biggest rewards is
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when you see a kid who came
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because he's being bullied
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and then you start teaching Jiu Jitsu
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and the kids start becoming a little more
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more outgoing more confident
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he can look at you in the eyes
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he can start
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you start seeing the fire coming back to him
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and then regaining that confidence on himself
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and then some of these kids after so many years
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they grow they
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they come when they are 9
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10 and then
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I had so many kids who graduated from high school
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they are 17 they are so much taller than me
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it's hard for me to beat them in Jiu Jitsu
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they got so good at Jiu Jitsu
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and it's just great to see that transformation
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so it gives me a lot of
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a lot of reward to see that transformation
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and the positive impact on the students
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so keeps me motivated to keep teaching it
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oh that's fantastic
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so tell us
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because we're talking about men's health here
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what are some positive effects that this has on men in
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in their daily lives
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what is this bringing to the table for them
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yes men in particular
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I think uh
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regarding men's health uh
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I guess we can divide it in two aspects right
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the physical health and the mental health
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the physical health like I think I already mentioned
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it has to do with eh the challenge of a workout
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going to the mats
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sparring with somebody else
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that is trying to choke you out
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you wanna perform and you wanna do well
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so naturally what are you gonna do
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you're gonna start eating better
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you're gonna start eh taking care of yourself
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drinking less right
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or you used to go to the bar
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I guess decompress from the stress
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now you go to Jiu Jitsu
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that's where you release all that energy
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I think that's the physical
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I seen many many students who go to Jiu Jitsu
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and they lose a lot of weight
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and they get in the best shapes of their lives
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and they are really happy
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and then they tell you all these stories like
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hey man I lost 5 pounds since I started Jiu Jitsu
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I lost 10 pounds since I started Jiu Jitsu
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I lost 20 pounds
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it's just a natural that you start taking care of
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of yourself and the physical part
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and in the mental department
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mental health
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there's so many things regarding mental health
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and Jiu Jitsu I think the most important
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the sense of community when you go to a Jiu Jitsu class
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is different than if you go to a gym
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where people are doing their own thing
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you cross by somebody you don't even say hi
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in Jiu Jitsu when you come it's like a big family
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everybody knows each other
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everybody knows each other's names
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or if they don't know they introduce each other
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and then when you start sparring
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creates a bond with each other right
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and I've seen many students become their best friends
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in Jiu Jitsu they
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they create friendships
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and it's just great because after training
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we start talking and of course
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every somebody's joking and we're laughing
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many times I close the school and when I leave
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let's say 9:00 nine PM I go outside
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and the guys still talking on the parking lot right
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and they just talking about different things
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and it's just a great community
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everybody support each other
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and it's kind of ironic because on the mats
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we're trying to I say uh
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tap each other
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submit each other out but after it's all
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it's all respect
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it's all fun creating a good community
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so I think that's
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that's a big part of the mental health for men to
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to be part of a group who's trying to
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accomplish the same goals
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right it's not as a destructive environment
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at the same time regarding mental health
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you can also uh
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mention that there's a lot of problem solving
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there's a lot of men
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I don't know if you if you agree with this
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but for example my wife always gives me a
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a problem and I wanna solve it right away yes
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and she's like
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I know exactly what you're gonna say right
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so she's like why why are you giving me solutions
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don't I need you to listen to me
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and to understand what I'm going through
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oh OK
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well we operate different men and women right
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uh and
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and Jiu Jitsu
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we like to solve problems as men and
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and that gave us a sense of accomplishment
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right and we like physical things
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in jiu jitsu there's a lot of problem solving
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when you are sparring with somebody
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they are trying to do a move on you
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and then you're trying to counter that move
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and then maybe you do
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but then they present you another problem
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and it's very rapid constant problem solving
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and it's very mentally challenging
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and of course you burn a lot of energy
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those minutes where you're on the mats
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you're not thinking about
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I don't know bills
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you're not thinking about your boss
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any other problems that a man will have
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it's all about being there and releasing the energy
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solving the problems being with your community
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life goes on from there I guess right
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we like that more as men
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versus just sitting and talking about our problems
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I think that's a a way that we men cope with daily life
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yeah so it really puts you in um
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a group where you have a strong sense of community
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and you kind of create like a family setting
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where you all bond with each other
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and support each other
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and you're getting in shape and using your brain
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I mean it sounds like ideal really yes
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um
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you have no idea how much fighting creates some bonding
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I I don't know if you follow uh
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boxing or MMA MMA is mixed martial arts
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like the UFC the cage fighting
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but many times you see these fighters who
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before the fight they start talking
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trash talking each other insulting each other
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sometimes they do it to to build the fight
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most of the times after they fought each other
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they're hugging and paying each other respect
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they're just like
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talking about how great his opponent is
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so it creates bonding for some reason
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for some strange reason fighting
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but think about little boys
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that's how they play oh yes
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that's that's
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that's a good point that you made because in a way
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we are playing also when we do Jiu Jitsu
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yes you're right
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boys or in nature when you see animals
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little lions or little monkeys
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they wrestle each other and
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and they're playing they're having fun
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they're also bonding they're also training right yeah
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as a matter of fact when we teach kids
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we teach them Jiu Jitsu as a
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as a game
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we disguise the training in let's play this game
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but really what we're doing
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we're training them to
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so but you're right
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uh kids play a lot
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as adults we don't play anymore
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we stop playing with each other
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but when you go to Jiu Jitsu
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it's almost like we start playing again
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we're all grown men on our 30s
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40s 20s
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and we start playing with each other again
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so you see it's funny because you see across the room
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and you'll always see somebody sparring
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but they're also laughing at the same time
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oh that's because they're just having so much fun
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so yeah that's a good point
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I think that can help also
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in the mental health department
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to start you know
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having fun with your peers again
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I feel like there's really so much that any man or
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or woman you know
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we're talking about men's health
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but women as well could really gain from this
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you know a sense of accomplishment
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um you know
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eating better working out
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finding a community that is embracing you
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and making friends like it really sounds very wonderful
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so I I'd love that you're here talking to us today
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and telling us all about it
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because I think a lot of people listening
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who have been looking for something like that
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might be going oh man
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maybe I should try that what
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what do you say to the people who are saying
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maybe I should try that yeah
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I would say give it a shot
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don't um
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and disqualify yourself right off the bat
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I many times
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I talk to people about coming to a class
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and do Jiu Jitsu and sometimes what they say is um
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let me go get in shape first
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let me go get in shape and then I'll
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I'll join Jiu Jitsu class but they
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they have it backwards right
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is
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it's not like you need to get in shape to do Jiu Jitsu
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you just have to go to Jiu Jitsu
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start doing it and when you start doing Jiu Jitsu
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it's gonna help you get in shape so just try the class
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if you have a major injury you had before
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a major surgery hip replacement
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or things that it could be hard to
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to do an activity like this
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of course but most schools give you a free trial
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you also have to uh
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be very good at selecting which school do you go
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because there are schools that focus
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primarily on competition so
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all they do at their schools is to train
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fighters for MMA or for Jiu Jitsu competition
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so their room their training is very intense
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and maybe that's not for you
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because you are older or you have injuries
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but there are schools like um
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my school I don't focus too much on performance
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on creating competition teams
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it's mostly for the regular people
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doesn't matter the age
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or gender or size or physical shape
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just come join and we have created a
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a beginners program
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where it's a very slow and incremental progress
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so you're not gonna start doing the intense training
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right off the bat
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so I would say go ahead and give it a shot
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and it might change your life like it did to me oh
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that's amazing
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Marco I'm so
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excited that you came and told us all about Jiu Jitsu
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this has been a lot of great information
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and I Learned a lot because I really didn't know um
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what Jiu Jitsu was all about
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I knew it was a martial art
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but that was pretty much the extent of what I knew
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so I love that we got to kind of go
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do a deep dive into what it actually is
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and how it can benefit people
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is there anything else that you want to add
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before we close out sure
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um I would say that when you start doing Jiu Jitsu
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you become a little more resilient as well
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like I mentioned
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I started doing Jiu Jitsu when I was in Peru
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and then I was training there for a year
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and then I moved here to the United States
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and I came with just like $200 in my pocket and just um
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I had family here but I had
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I had to struggle to get by and to survive pretty much
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right and because I was already training Jiu Jitsu
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I had this mindset of fighting of like
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I won't let struggles beat me right
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and it doesn't matter how how bad things get
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you can find a solution in Jiu Jitsu
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we get put in very bad positions
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very uncomfortable crap claustrophobic positions
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and sometimes you do the wrong move
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that or you desperate or you panic
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that makes the situation even worse
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but in Jiu Jitsu
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you learn that no matter how hard a position is
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there is always an efficient and intelligent
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way of escaping or to approach that problem
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so then you start applying that mindset to everything
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right
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I always find people under 40s that start Jiu Jitsu
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and this is what they say
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I wish I started this when I was younger yeah
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if you ask
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hundred percent of the adult class that I would say 25
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30 and above you ask them hey
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would you wish you started Jiu Jitsu before
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hundred percent are gonna tell you
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of course I would I would have loved to start using
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this when I was a teenager
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so it's a perfect age
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because you are just a into your body
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into your
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fully on your prime of your physical attributes
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so and and you're still young
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so you learn fast at that age
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you know they kind of need that discipline
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and so I think it would help a lot with that as well
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yeah 100% so what is the name of your school
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the name of my school is Mastery Jiu Jitsu
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we've been in Lessburg since 2011
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my school has won best of Loudoun
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since I started the competition in 2020
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uh for five years in a row
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you know you're listening to this podcast
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and you cannot make it all the way to Leesburg
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just check Mastery Jiu Jitsu online
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where we have online courses
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you start from 0 the beginner's course
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and then you can start moving into the more
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more advanced courses we also have a
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a women self defense course
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if you check out Master Jiu Jitsu online
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it could be a good tool
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for you to get introduced to the art of Jiu Jitsu
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oh that's fantastic
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so everybody watching or listening
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please check them out go check out their website
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and check out their online courses
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that's awesome I
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I wouldn't have even thought that
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you could do an online course
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with that so I love that you're doing that
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yes I mean
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it's not the same as doing the physical
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but uh
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some people for whatever reason
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they don't have access to a Jiu Jitsu school
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or they just wanna know
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they may be intimidating to go to a Jiu Jitsu school
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and so you can watch the videos
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and kind of get familiar with what the moves are
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and maybe you can get a partner and watch the videos
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and then you practice with a partner in your home right
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maybe you have an injury
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and you are not sure about going to a Jiu Jitsu school
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where you might get hurt
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so maybe you can just do it at home
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and then maybe
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as you start getting familiar with the moves
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maybe from there you'll create
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the confidence to just join an actual Jiu Jitsu school
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it's not the same
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but it can it can be a good tool to start
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I think that's really really great that you offer that
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yes
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and I also get this uh argument sometimes I'm a lover
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I'm not a fighter ha ha
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but I'm also a lover and I actually don't like fights
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yeah I don't remember the last time I fought actually
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I had to use only one time
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and it was to separate my friend
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who was fighting with this guy
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as a matter of fact
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knowing a martial art will actually make you a
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a better lover I would say definitely
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and I was gonna say and you've already gotten
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all of your stress and aggression out
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in class
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you've got your endorphins because you exercise
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so you don't have any reason to want to fight anybody
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you're like on top of life right now
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true I many times after Jiu Jitsu
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I'm driving and somebody cuts you off
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the last thing you do is to get into a road rage
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episode yeah
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you just say peace somebody insulted you say hey man
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sorry about that and you just go up
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because the listing and also you realize how much
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how dangerous is to actually fight
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when you do Jiu Jitsu so much
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you already proven yourself
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you already know what you're capable of on the mats
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so there's no need to go to a bar
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and start looking for fights
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there is no that insecurity
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at the same time
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you realize how so many things can go wrong in fights
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alright Marco
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well I so appreciate you being here
32:14
and taking the time to talk to us
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and tell us all about Jiu Jitsu
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and how it can benefit lives
32:20
and for both men and women
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but especially men during Men's Health Month
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so to everyone out there watching
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please check out Marco's website
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tell us what it is again
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the website is uh MasteryJJ.com
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fantastic and um
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the name of your school was again Mastery Jiu Jitsu
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we have a location in Leesburg and online courses
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so please check that out
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we will link all of Marco's links in our show notes
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are you good
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we're good thank you so much all right
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I hope you all have a wonderful rest of your evening
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