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2026 Tabby Results, ICE and Ungovernable · Crosstabs

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SPEAKER_00: We're clear to engage.
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SPEAKER_00: Time on target.
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SPEAKER_00: Fire mics out.
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SPEAKER_01: New year.
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SPEAKER_01: New, you know, platform.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: Look at us.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we had a countdown to start and everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to 2026 Crosstabs.
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SPEAKER_01: Our third year.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's right.
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SPEAKER_01: We haven't been going for three full years,
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SPEAKER_01: but it is the third calendar year that we've had the podcast.
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And we're on,
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it looks like episode 92,
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which we're coming up on episode 100.
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SPEAKER_01: We're going to have to plan something special for episode 100.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what would, are we special?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know, what would we come up with?
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SPEAKER_01: I was thinking about working on new intro music, but get AI to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe that would be the Chris Dudley episode on episode 100.
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SPEAKER_01: Will it take him that long to announce his campaign?
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SPEAKER_01: You think?
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SPEAKER_01: I keep hearing.
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SPEAKER_01: I keep hearing.
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SPEAKER_01: Many people are saying he's running.
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SPEAKER_01: Many people are saying.
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SPEAKER_00: If we're doing one a week, that gives us eight weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, that's probably that's deadline.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that'll be perfect if we time it like with the filing deadline.
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SPEAKER_00: That would be a good 100th episode.
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We do need a filing deadline show anyway because I think – And
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we could do that at the Capitol.
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SPEAKER_01: We could do that one live.
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SPEAKER_01: That's fun.
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SPEAKER_01: I have live blogged from the Capitol filing deadline once.
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SPEAKER_01: That was fun.
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SPEAKER_01: But doing a live podcast – Let's talk about that.
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Let's look at that next week because they now have the new
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media room and stuff like that.
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I wonder if we could – how do we rent that or how do we become
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– Reserve it.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't even think about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that we could have guests come in and stuff?
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SPEAKER_00: That might be kind of fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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A lot of the capital is going to be open next week for
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legislative days and a lot of the –
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SPEAKER_01: We're getting emails internally.
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Everybody's kind of getting their offices set up and then
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having open houses,
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SPEAKER_01: which means come see our new office and all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: So,
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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the Capitol is really going to be open for business this short
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session in a way
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SPEAKER_01: that it just hasn't been for half of a decade now,
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SPEAKER_01: which is crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: But I'm excited.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I forgot the Secretary of State had an office in the Capitol.
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That's how long it's been since the Secretary of State's been
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in the Capitol.
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The last time I remember going down there was Richardson was
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Secretary of State.
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SPEAKER_01: I wasn't working at the Capitol,
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SPEAKER_01: but I was able to get an interview for Oregon Catalyst with Richardson.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I went to the Capitol and did it there at that office.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that was pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's a good memory.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that was the last time I remember going there.
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SPEAKER_00: Pretty wild.
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SPEAKER_01: Which might have been 2019.
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SPEAKER_00: Probably 20.
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SPEAKER_00: No, because I think he, yeah, he died in 2019.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I think it was 2019, not 2020.
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But I think that's basically when it stopped being an office
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that they had.
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SPEAKER_01: And so every, I mean, I guess the governor gets to come back.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know if she wants to.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't really do a lot of her bills.
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SPEAKER_01: We kill them typically.
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SPEAKER_01: Not we, but they get killed.
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SPEAKER_01: So she may not want to come back to her office.
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SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I heard that's the last thing to get remodeled is her office.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're working on it, but I think it's the last thing to open.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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Hopefully they get the cafeteria open because that looks pretty
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nice,
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actually.
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SPEAKER_00: I was walking through there a couple weeks ago.
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SPEAKER_00: When Vicki and I were down there,
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SPEAKER_00: we went to one of the last performances in the capital of the Christmas
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SPEAKER_00: performances.
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SPEAKER_00: I just love those inside the dome.
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SPEAKER_00: It's so cool.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we were kind of wandering around,
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SPEAKER_00: and Steve Perez was unlocking some doors for us,
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SPEAKER_00: and so we were getting some cool stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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SPEAKER_00: We were going to look at some things.
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SPEAKER_00: That's kind of fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's good.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's going to be cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Like the basement looks great.
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SPEAKER_00: I love how they open up the staircase.
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SPEAKER_01: It's also a tall basement.
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SPEAKER_01: The basement is tall.
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SPEAKER_01: So and it doesn't feel like a basement anymore, which is cool.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a lot nicer than it used to be.
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SPEAKER_00: And those meeting rooms,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: the fight to who gets to get the meeting rooms,
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SPEAKER_00: that's going to be,
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SPEAKER_00: that should be interesting.
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Like,
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which committee is going to be in,
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is it meeting room 50 that's down there?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That one and any other means, that's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: But then, because there's two really cool ones down there, so.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: That'll tell you if your committee has sway.
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SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
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Do you get the nice committee rooms with the cool diocese and
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all the more modern technology?
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SPEAKER_01: And actually,
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the number one thing I want the legislature is to be able to
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turn off the little
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SPEAKER_01: beep in Microsoft Teams when somebody joins in a committee meeting.
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SPEAKER_01: That drives me absolutely insane.
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SPEAKER_01: So we need to get Microsoft on that.
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SPEAKER_01: But well, when we when we took a break,
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SPEAKER_01: Brian, we were encouraging people to vote on the official Tabby Awards.
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SPEAKER_01: These are the awards for the Cross Tabs podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we just kind of we put it together.
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SPEAKER_01: It could have been at the last minute.
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SPEAKER_01: There's no way to know.
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SPEAKER_01: But going forward,
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I think this is something that we really want to turn into a
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thing that we do every
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SPEAKER_01: year at the end of the year.
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SPEAKER_01: So.
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I'm going to be keeping notes all year about categories and
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stuff to put in these.
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But we did some fun ones this year,
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and then we'll do some meaner ones this year.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and it's an election year.
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So now we get to say best logo,
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worst primary campaign,
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best primary campaign.
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SPEAKER_00: So we get to have a little bit more fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: So first category, Legislative Rookie of the Year.
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Our nominees are Representative Darren Harbeck,
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Representative April Dobson.
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SPEAKER_01: Representative Willie Chautson,
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SPEAKER_01: Senator Noah Robinson,
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SPEAKER_01: Senator Todd Nash,
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SPEAKER_01: and Senator Anthony Brodman.
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SPEAKER_01: And with a plurality of the vote,
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SPEAKER_01: not a full majority,
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but a plurality was Senator Anthony Brodman winning Legislative
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Rookie of the Year
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SPEAKER_01: for crosstabs.
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SPEAKER_01: Which I think is right.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think he did a pretty good job, honestly, on his first session.
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SPEAKER_01: Everybody I talked to likes him.
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SPEAKER_01: I've enjoyed it.
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SPEAKER_01: I had a handful of meetings with him.
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SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed them.
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SPEAKER_01: He's got good staff.
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SPEAKER_01: I think he genuinely did a very good job.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I was talking to him on the phone the other day and I said,
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SPEAKER_00: I said,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: have you voted for yourself for rookie of the year on cross tabs?
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SPEAKER_00: And he goes, maybe that's why he won.
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Maybe he like sent in a bunch of people to do it because that
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was like three days ago.
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SPEAKER_00: So maybe nice.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe he've let up the vote, Reagan.
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SPEAKER_00: But he he won asked me rookie of the year.
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SPEAKER_00: Did he really?
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Yeah,
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he's like,
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oh,
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no,
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to win Ask Me Rookie of the Year and Crosstab's Rookie of the
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Year?
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SPEAKER_00: He goes, I might get primaried.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll have to make a graphic and make sure it gets posted everywhere.
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We'll print it out and just place it on the walls,
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the Capitol,
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make sure everybody knows.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll work on that next week.
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SPEAKER_01: That'll be kind of fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I could print out some certificates and we can hand them out.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that'd be good.
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SPEAKER_00: I think clearly the rookie of the year,
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SPEAKER_00: actually,
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SPEAKER_00: and the voters,
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SPEAKER_00: people that voted,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: made the case to the insiders,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: that probably mostly took the time to vote.
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SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I think you're right.
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I think that he's got some good following amongst his caucus
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members,
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some good respect.
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SPEAKER_00: And then
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he's pretty good about when he says,
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you know,
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I'm just not going to go there on that issue.
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SPEAKER_00: Like he's pretty upfront.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a good way to be.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, he doesn't try to glad hand you.
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He tries to,
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he's been a good partner on housing that I've worked with him
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on.
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I mean,
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that's been the bulk of my relationship with him has just been
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in the housing realm.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: and,
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and it's been a good relationship for us to work together with
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our office and his
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SPEAKER_00: office to,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: champion housing moving forward.
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SPEAKER_00: So.
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I think the real test is going to be this chairmanship that he
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has in revenue now
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SPEAKER_01: because of the whole Meek Wagner fight.
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That's a tough gavel to hold when you are a moderate and
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there's a lot of budget pressure.
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So it'll be interesting to see how he handles the TLT in the
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short section actually
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SPEAKER_01: is the big one because Meek killed that last time.
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SPEAKER_01: So Broadman has to decide, right?
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And Central Oregon is a big driver of TLT funds,
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which means they have a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: And he was also a local government guy, right?
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He was a city councilor in Bend who would probably like to have
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those TLT funds.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's going to be I think that could be a pretty tough one for him,
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SPEAKER_01: not just voting now,
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SPEAKER_01: but with the gavel.
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So that makes him leading contender out of the box for
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sophomore slump of the year.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, nowhere to go but down from here, I suppose.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Next category flip flopper of the year.
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SPEAKER_01: This was never in doubt, really.
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SPEAKER_01: And we we only had one idea for submissions.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, some folks submitted their own.
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SPEAKER_01: suggestions,
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SPEAKER_01: and each person that submitted that,
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SPEAKER_01: there was only individual votes on these ones.
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SPEAKER_01: Representative Mannix, Mark Meek, and all leadership.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, leadership, I think, does flip-flop.
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SPEAKER_01: They're just careful about it,
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and I don't know what Representative Mannix or Senator Meek
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have flip-flopped on,
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SPEAKER_01: so...
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SPEAKER_01: I wasn't probably.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, right.
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Because Mannix voted for in committee and then no on the floor
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or something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: I forgot about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Same with me, right?
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SPEAKER_00: He was like, no.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he was no.
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SPEAKER_00: And then came back special session and voted for it.
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SPEAKER_00: So all transportation related, but nobody could trump.
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SPEAKER_01: Cyrus Javity, Representative Cyrus Javity.
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SPEAKER_01: And not only has he switched parties,
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SPEAKER_01: if you look at his Facebook page,
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he's definitely making sure that anybody who sees him on
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Facebook knows that he's a
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SPEAKER_01: Democrat now.
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He's making sure to make a statement on every single thing that
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is out there.
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SPEAKER_01: He can't stop himself.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I just think, again, I would make different choices, but I'm not him.
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SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Have you when is the last time a Democrat became a Republican in Oregon?
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SPEAKER_00: Do we even know?
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SPEAKER_00: I bet we don't even know when that is.
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SPEAKER_01: I so I used to keep track and I probably should update my spreadsheets.
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SPEAKER_01: I'd keep track of the every year.
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SPEAKER_01: And I have a spreadsheet going all the way back.
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I think the last party switch from Democrat to Republican,
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it was Bob Jensen.
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SPEAKER_01: But he became an independent in the middle.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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And so he was a Democrat,
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and then he was an Independent,
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and then he was a Republican.
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I'll go back and check my spreadsheet after we get done with
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the tabbies and see if
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SPEAKER_01: I can find anybody else.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think that was the last one.
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SPEAKER_01: Or Mannix.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, also Mannix.
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I think Jensen – because Mannix was out of the House,
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I think,
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by the time.
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SPEAKER_01: And Jensen was kind of in the middle there maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: He was still in his cycle.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's –
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SPEAKER_01: Off the top of my head, that's the last one.
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But some of our listeners may also know and be able to correct
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us as well.
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SPEAKER_01: So next category, capital office vibes.
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Now,
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this was a combination because I and I tried to put a
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description in there.
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It was a combination of best decorated office,
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but also most hospitable office.
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SPEAKER_01: Like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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because because we didn't have any of the cafeteria and not
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very much in the way of
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SPEAKER_01: food.
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SPEAKER_01: The offices that had snacks,
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SPEAKER_01: the offices that had drinks,
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SPEAKER_01: the offices that just had,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: a place to rest,
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SPEAKER_01: charge laptops and phones,
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SPEAKER_01: those kinds of things.
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SPEAKER_01: Those were the offices that really stood out.
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SPEAKER_01: And I would say we had a lot of contenders on that front.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to read a list of everybody that was submitted.
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SPEAKER_01: Rep HiFam, he has an espresso machine, espresso machine, apparently.
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SPEAKER_01: Rep McIntyre had a lot of snacks.
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SPEAKER_01: Rep Scharf, I know, had coffee.
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SPEAKER_01: Rep Greg Smith.
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SPEAKER_01: had the popcorn machine, really.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was up there constantly making use of the popcorn machine.
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Rep Bobby Levy,
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right next door to us,
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had always had really great coffee and tea options.
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SPEAKER_01: Rep Jamie Kate, I want to shout out Rep Kate.
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She had not only a scavenger hunt style thing that you could go
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through the Capitol
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SPEAKER_01: and fill out answers to and get a prize.
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SPEAKER_01: They also had like a kid's corner area and a Capitol library.
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SPEAKER_01: You could swap books at and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_01: So when my kids came to the Capitol,
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SPEAKER_01: she wasn't there,
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SPEAKER_01: but her office was there and all this stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: And so they hung out in that corner and played.
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So a huge shout out to Representative Kate and her kid's corner
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over there,
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SPEAKER_01: the library and all that.
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SPEAKER_01: Rep Solman's office,
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SPEAKER_01: Senator Przansky's office,
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which I was a little surprised to see on the list of Capitol
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Vibes offices.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't spend very much time over there.
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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SPEAKER_01: but Hey,
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SPEAKER_01: if that's what people are saying,
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SPEAKER_01: uh,
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SPEAKER_01: Senator Lieber's office,
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SPEAKER_01: she had the charging station,
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SPEAKER_01: uh,
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SPEAKER_01: at her office.
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I remember right between the two staff and she's got,
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she's got great staff.
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SPEAKER_01: So you can go there, charge your phone.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Huge.
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SPEAKER_01: Obviously.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: if you're in,
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SPEAKER_01: if you're in office,
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SPEAKER_01: like representative Brees Iverson's,
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SPEAKER_01: you got like a bummer,
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SPEAKER_01: like me there.
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Sometimes the vibes are not as good just cause I'm just
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bringing the whole thing down.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you're just there, that's exactly right.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Senator Gerard's office also got nominated huge,
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SPEAKER_01: both for the company with Lori and the candy bars.
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SPEAKER_01: And just they had a great day.
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They don't even they don't even pretend that they're going to
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have any other staff.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just Lori and they don't even need anybody other than Lori.
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So they took that whole front area and turn it into a seating
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area and they had
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SPEAKER_01: coffee over there.
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SPEAKER_01: So great office set up.
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SPEAKER_01: Highly recommend senators.
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But the office that stood above with the most votes,
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Senator David Brock Smith's office.
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And I would say he definitely wins the award for capital vibes,
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obviously,
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for voters.
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Most decorated office,
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most things on the wall and in the office definitely wins that.
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He takes that from Roblin,
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who used to have an office full of Star Wars and other
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memorabilia.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But, yeah, great office.
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And he had,
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it sounds like,
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pretty good selection as well in the snack department.
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If you took David Brock Smith's district and you drank it all
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and you threw up,
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SPEAKER_00: it would look like his walls.
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but Kissing's got everything from the district that you can
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think of on his walls.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: It's insane.
14:10
SPEAKER_00: So, uh, good for David.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: That was a surprise win.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh, good.
14:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no huge.
14:15
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
14:15
SPEAKER_01: All right.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: The grift giver of the year.
14:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm so proud of myself for that, that category.
14:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, but this was for the, the biggest grift.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: And so like a couple of years ago, right.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: You'd have Shumia Fagan winning this award,
14:28
SPEAKER_01: uh,
14:28
SPEAKER_01: running away,
14:29
SPEAKER_01: but obviously we were,
14:30
SPEAKER_01: we didn't,
14:31
SPEAKER_01: we,
14:31
SPEAKER_01: It's not smart enough to come up with it when that was happening.
14:33
SPEAKER_01: So we had some nominees.
14:35
SPEAKER_01: We had somebody add Melissa Unger to the list.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: We had somebody add Rob Wagner to the list.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: That was interesting.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: And then we had Portland Preschool for All,
14:44
SPEAKER_01: homeless nonprofits,
14:45
SPEAKER_01: public transportation,
14:46
SPEAKER_01: but with –
14:48
SPEAKER_01: Over half the votes easily.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: Ben Edel.
14:52
Ben is an interesting guy because he's worked for the Umpqua
14:56
Transportation
14:57
SPEAKER_01: District and he was their director for a while.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: Sounds like he messed stuff up a lot while he was there.
15:01
He came up with the Republican Unity Coalition or Republican
15:05
Unity Caucus.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: So he started his own caucus off of the regular caucus.
15:10
SPEAKER_01: because he didn't like that caucus.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: But his caucus was focused on unity.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: And so what they did is,
15:15
SPEAKER_01: of course,
15:15
SPEAKER_01: attack other Republicans,
15:17
SPEAKER_01: because that's what unity is about.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: And so as far as we can tell, nothing came of that.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: He was also starting up his own group to do consulting for candidates.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: And shockingly, all the consulting was run through his firm.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: They just referred everybody to him.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: And so all the clients went to him.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: So anyway,
15:36
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of indications that he's just in it for the grift,
15:40
SPEAKER_01: that he probably can't hold a regular steady job.
15:42
And so he just has to constantly reinvent a new gimmick every
15:46
year in order to pay
15:47
SPEAKER_01: his bills,
15:47
SPEAKER_01: probably would be my guess.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think he won.
15:51
Well,
15:52
I mean,
15:52
Kevin Starrett wasn't nominated,
15:54
but Kevin Starrett's been at it so long.
15:55
And I think Ben's been trying to get on that gravy train that
15:58
Kevin's been on.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: By attacking Republicans and stuff, and he just can't find the foothold.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: I haven't heard Kevin Stewart's name in so long.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: I kind of forgot he existed, honestly, Brian.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, Ben really has taken the mantle, though.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely taken the mantle.
16:15
SPEAKER_00: And he comes up with new crap all the time, too.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: Now it's in vote by mail.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
16:20
SPEAKER_00: That's the new one.
16:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: The new one.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: So we'll see.
16:24
It'll be interesting to measure how fast the signatures were
16:27
collected on the tax
16:28
SPEAKER_01: versus how fast the signatures are collected on Envo by mail and see,
16:32
SPEAKER_01: you know,
16:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure he's,
16:35
SPEAKER_01: you know,
16:35
he's just very close to submitting the signatures needed to
16:38
make the ballot.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: All right.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: Worst committee.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of them.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: Joint transportation.
16:43
SPEAKER_01: So here's the nominees.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: And some people added to these joint transportation,
16:47
SPEAKER_01: which is actually on here a couple of different times.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: I didn't notice that.
16:50
SPEAKER_01: One, two.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: OK, it still doesn't win.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: But joint transportation got nominated multiple times,
16:55
SPEAKER_01: which tells you how bad of a committee it was.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: It was bad.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: If you watch some of those meetings, too, they were rough.
17:02
SPEAKER_01: It was an evening committee, which made it worse.
17:04
SPEAKER_01: So it was the most contentious issue.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: It was at a bad a bad time.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: You know, most legislators aren't super happy.
17:11
By the time you get to the evening,
17:12
they're not excited to be in committee at night.
17:14
So I think that really actually added to the difficulty with
17:18
the committee.
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SPEAKER_01: Senate education.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: Rule 20.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
17:25
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: Apparently Gorsig is still too sick to do a zoom meeting or something.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: It's just hilarious.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: He could show up to vote on transportation, but not do his rule 27.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: Is that what I'm hearing?
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: All right.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: All right.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh, yes.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: Senate education also nominated, um,
17:45
SPEAKER_01: I never watched Senate Education, Brian.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you did either, but I'll take their word for it.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Somebody nominated just trans, which might be transportation.
17:56
SPEAKER_01: Again, so third time it's been nominated here on the list.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: It still does not win, but it's now second.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: Let's see, House Commerce and Consumer Protection Committee.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: That's a good one.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: So my boss was on that committee in the interim before long,
18:16
SPEAKER_01: ended up getting removed from that committee.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: Huge bummer, obviously.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: We were super bummed about that.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: But...
18:23
SPEAKER_01: One of the I'm trying to remember several lobbyists,
18:27
SPEAKER_00: the trial lawyers committee,
18:29
SPEAKER_01: I was going to say.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: So there are some lobbyists,
18:33
probably more of the business persuasion that labeled this the
18:36
committee on
18:37
SPEAKER_01: communism and litigation.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: So which I thought was a great a great name for a committee.
18:43
SPEAKER_00: That's totally sticking.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: We're keeping that one.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: Somebody put Senate Natural Resources on here.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: It didn't get any votes.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: And I don't I think that was mostly maybe that was your ad,
18:53
SPEAKER_01: Brian,
18:53
just because the chair of the committee is really a lot of good
18:58
bills die in that
18:59
SPEAKER_01: committee and a lot of bad bills live.
19:00
SPEAKER_01: And that, I think, is generally frustrating.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: Conduct as well got about 20% of the vote here.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: Conduct's never fun.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: You never really want to serve on conduct.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: Anytime conduct's doing stuff, it's usually ugly and partisan.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: But the runaway winner here, easily Senate Judiciary.
19:21
And I think that has a lot to do with meeting four days a week
19:25
and just the volume
19:25
SPEAKER_01: that that committee pumps out.
19:28
Chair Prasansky is prolific and it's exhausting,
19:31
I think,
19:32
to anybody who has to do judiciary.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: I remember when I started in the Senate Republican office,
19:37
SPEAKER_01: Justin,
19:38
SPEAKER_01: he he was the longest serving policy analyst.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: And he's like,
19:42
we were talking about all the committee assignments and stuff
19:44
like that as you
19:45
SPEAKER_01: like.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: Nobody wants I'll take judiciary like it's just a lot.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: It's just a lot with Floyd, and he just pumps it out.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: He still does judiciary.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: He's the ledge director,
19:54
and he's still in charge of judiciary because it's too much to
19:58
put on a policy
19:59
SPEAKER_00: analyst's plate,
20:00
SPEAKER_00: man.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: It's a ton of work.
20:02
Any new person,
20:03
that would be the only committee they'd be able to follow.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: It just is so much.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, that gets us to the end.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: A committee really has to mess up to beat that committee this year again.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: It's just a train wreck.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: But I think there are – and Senator Prusansky running again,
20:22
SPEAKER_01: so we could have four more years of – four days of judiciary.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: So buckle up, everybody.
20:30
And then right at the end,
20:31
we put who would you vote for governor in 2026?
20:34
SPEAKER_01: And we know this is I just want to say this out there.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: This is not a sufficient sample.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: This is not a this is not a true size sample.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: I just think it's interesting.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: So we have and we and we combine the parties, too.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: So this is not something that you'd see in real life.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:49
There's probably going to be a one Republican,
20:51
one Democrat on the general election ballot.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: There isn't going to be options.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: But.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: For the primary.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: One third voted for Christine Drayson.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: And then in second place was Dudley.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: And then tied with a quarter each of the vote.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: Who would you vote for in Governor Tina Kotech or another Democrat?
21:11
SPEAKER_01: Now, there are going to be other Democrats on the ballot.
21:15
It'll be interesting to see if anybody that's like super
21:19
relevant or an actual challenger.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: Like four years ago, Tobias Reid.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Anybody else that that does not bode well for her.
21:34
And that's you know,
21:35
those are probably Democrats,
21:36
right,
21:36
that are voting.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: I would assume.
21:38
Yeah,
21:39
I think there's an enthusiasm gap there right now that probably
21:44
needs to be addressed.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: Well,
21:47
SPEAKER_00: their enthusiasm gap is driven towards hating Donald Trump,
21:51
and that seems to be the only enthusiasm in the Democratic
21:54
Party right now.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: So that's a problem, I think.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, that might be enough.
22:00
I just think that right now the indication – and I think
22:03
generally the indication –
22:05
SPEAKER_01: on that is just kind of what has been covered already in the press,
22:08
SPEAKER_01: which is Democrats are underwhelmed with Kotech's first term.
22:13
SPEAKER_01: And the real question is, does she punch it up?
22:16
SPEAKER_01: If she gets a second term,
22:17
is she able to punch it up or is she able to make some promises
22:20
in the campaign
22:21
SPEAKER_01: that get her through?
22:22
SPEAKER_01: I think she's still the favorite to win right now.
22:24
We'll see what the midterm environment looks like in six
22:27
months,
22:27
eight months,
22:28
right?
22:28
SPEAKER_01: But
22:29
SPEAKER_01: Right now she's still the favorite just because it's Oregon,
22:31
but you have to think that there's more of an opening than
22:35
there should be if
22:36
SPEAKER_01: you're Kotech.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good times.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: All right, so are we done with the tabbies?
22:43
SPEAKER_00: We're done with the tabbies.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for everyone for participating.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: If you have ideas about what to add for next year, please share them.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: I did leak.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: I liked that one.
22:54
Somebody submitted for a new award that was underwhelming
22:57
legislator of the year.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: And it was, uh, they put Isidore and, um,
23:04
SPEAKER_00: I even forgot his name.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: That tells you.
23:07
SPEAKER_01: It's the least legislative legislator, which I think is funny.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a funny title.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: That makes sense.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't think Carbic even had a bill.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: So and she didn't either.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: But yes, you're right.
23:18
SPEAKER_00: Remember,
23:18
I think before that would have been I think we said that was
23:22
Jules Walters was our
23:23
SPEAKER_00: first or like one you wouldn't know that was even a legislator.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: But she's kind of she came up a little bit this last year.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: Most forgettable.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Although,
23:30
SPEAKER_01: unfortunately,
23:31
a lot of it was because of videos that people had dug up about
23:35
her serving on local
23:36
SPEAKER_01: government stuff.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: She enjoys the F-bomb.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Turns out a lot of Democrats like the F-bomb, Reagan.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: They just don't really say it.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: But now they're really saying it a lot more.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: She might have been...
23:47
SPEAKER_00: You know,
23:47
SPEAKER_00: ahead of the curve,
23:48
SPEAKER_00: because it's coming out of Minnesota every time we turn the TV on.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: It's pretty edgy.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: They just think swearing makes them edgy.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a tired trope, honestly.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Janelle Bynum is using it quite a bit now.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: She keeps saying our city, and I just want to make this clear.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: Janelle Bynum doesn't actually represent any of Portland,
24:07
SPEAKER_01: so I continue to be confused why she says our city.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: So anyway, if someone can clarify that for me, that would be helpful.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: It's because she's...
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Because she's black and she thinks that because if you're black,
24:18
she can say whatever she wants and claim Portland and just make
24:22
it her city.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: And it's just it's just which again,
24:24
I'm confused because my understanding is that Oregon is a
24:27
historically racist
24:28
SPEAKER_01: state.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: And so Portland would be like it not would be like anti.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I don't understand it.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: I don't I can't understand.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's actually an understandable position.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: But in any event, very good.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, what do you think of that Minnesota stuff?
24:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, we can let's talk about that real quick.
24:50
And then I want to touch on a couple of campaigns that happened
24:54
and are happening
24:55
SPEAKER_00: in the state that probably nobody pays attention to.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: But the Minnesota stuff, I think, is pretty interesting.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: What's your take on because two things, major fraud, right?
25:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Walls is like, yeah.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: The grifter of the nation award, right?
25:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that is clearly where the Somali people are.
25:13
I just love that this set just came out and said that if you
25:17
he's no longer
25:17
SPEAKER_00: allowing wire transfers out of the country,
25:19
SPEAKER_00: that's yeah,
25:20
SPEAKER_01: he blocks them if you're on public assistance.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: You are blocked from wire transfers.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: I think that is absolutely right.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: And yes, out of country wire transfers.
25:30
You can transfer money in the United States as far as I know,
25:32
but you can't send it out.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: And I think that that is – I thought that was a huge move.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: I think that's very smart.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: I think that there's a lot of people who want to turn this into –
25:44
an issue about race because they don't have any leg to stand on
25:48
in the actual.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: And I was reading something about how a lot of the third world cultures,
25:54
SPEAKER_01: that's corruption is just part of their culture.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: It's just normal for them.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: They don't understand.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is how they would operate in their country.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: And so they don't understand
26:03
SPEAKER_01: the idea of, of fraud.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: So in some ways that that's rings true for me for there.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: That's like, this is just normal, right?
26:11
They just operate in a system because they have a corrupt
26:13
government bribes is how
26:14
SPEAKER_01: you get things done and all that.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: And so,
26:17
It makes sense to me that if that was a cultural norm that they
26:20
carried over and
26:21
SPEAKER_01: that wasn't something that was taught that was wrong in their community,
26:24
SPEAKER_01: they would just do that.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: And it would just seem normal to them.
26:27
And it would be something that also if they have a very strong
26:31
voting block in
26:32
certain areas in Minnesota where if you're a Democrat and
26:35
you're not going to be
26:36
the one to try to teach them that this isn't the way that we do
26:39
things in America,
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SPEAKER_01: you're just going to go with it.
26:41
And so I think some of it was just complacency and then some of
26:45
it was just they
26:45
SPEAKER_01: know what is going on and they decided they didn't want to deal with it,
26:49
didn't want to try to disrupt it because it was going to be a
26:51
problem for them and
26:51
SPEAKER_01: create political problems.
26:56
Well,
26:56
I created a bunch of political problems to the point where
26:59
Walls ended his campaign.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's that's I was a little shocked by that, basically.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: And he did the hilarious thing all politicians do where they're like,
27:07
SPEAKER_01: well,
27:07
SPEAKER_01: if I was able to give this my all,
27:09
SPEAKER_01: I would definitely run and I would definitely win.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: But I'm not going to,
27:12
SPEAKER_01: which is always very funny because if they and then blame Trump,
27:17
SPEAKER_01: I do think,
27:18
SPEAKER_01: though,
27:18
SPEAKER_01: somebody was saying that.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: He will finish out his term.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Amy Klobuchar is running, the current U.S.
27:24
SPEAKER_01: senator.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: She's midterm.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: If she wins, she gets to appoint her replacement.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: What if it's Tim Walz?
27:31
SPEAKER_01: And that wouldn't shock me whatsoever.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Republicans have done this.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Pete Ricketts was the governor of Nebraska,
27:36
SPEAKER_01: and then he stepped down and supported,
27:38
SPEAKER_01: I think,
27:39
SPEAKER_01: his lieutenant governor or somebody to run.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: That guy went, appointed Pete Ricketts as U.S.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: senator when the vacancy opened up.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: So Tim Walz gets to be a U.S.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: senator, which is horrible.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I think that must be his path.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've all got to be on the take from the Somalis.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: Either they're getting money or they're definitely getting votes,
28:01
SPEAKER_00: right,
28:02
SPEAKER_00: for looking the other way.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it seems very clear.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: That,
28:07
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: because we don't really have,
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SPEAKER_00: we're going to have like a big migrant population like that,
28:12
SPEAKER_00: like the Somalis or in Ohio,
28:15
SPEAKER_00: they have the Haitians,
28:16
SPEAKER_00: right?
28:16
SPEAKER_00: So they got kind of these,
28:18
so we don't really have like this mass amount of one immigrant
28:23
kind of status,
28:25
SPEAKER_00: right?
28:25
I mean,
28:25
I'm probably outside of like Mexicans,
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I would think,
28:28
or some of those.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: But even then,
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SPEAKER_00: it's probably made up of a lot of different,
28:33
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: types of Latin American population.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: And they also haven't proven to be over the years to be as grifters.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Actually, they've been...
28:43
They've proven to be really good at starting small businesses
28:47
and integrating into
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SPEAKER_00: the United States way more so than some of these other groups have.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: And I think you said,
28:52
SPEAKER_00: you know,
28:53
SPEAKER_00: as you were saying,
28:53
SPEAKER_00: I think looking at it all,
28:55
SPEAKER_00: and I've done a lot of looking at that sort of stuff,
28:58
SPEAKER_00: it's a very cultural thing.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, Somali is a country made up of pirates.
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SPEAKER_00: So the idea of just stealing doesn't, it's just part of their culture.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: It's not even, they don't even, they don't even think it to be wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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And that's part of the problem with immigration in the United
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States is when you
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SPEAKER_00: don't have people that want to integrate and become a U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: citizen and they want to be one flag that we fly is the American flag.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, that is where the problem starts to lie.
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And I think that's where all of this started is this idea that
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you can still be Somalian.
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SPEAKER_00: And just take from America.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, even starts with their congresswoman.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: Right.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, she's probably one of the worst.
29:43
And,
29:44
you know,
29:45
her net worth has gone up 3000 percent since she's been in
29:48
Congress.
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SPEAKER_00: So she's clearly figuring out a way to make money.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: It's pretty I do support that if you're in Congress,
29:55
SPEAKER_00: you shouldn't you shouldn't be able to trade stocks.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: I think that's.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: just wrong.
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Like your stuff should have to go into a blind trust or
30:02
something like the president.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: It really is too bad because if you follow the Nancy Pelosi portfolio,
30:08
SPEAKER_01: you you're up about 50 percent each year.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's going to be really, really sad to not have her.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: um, in, uh, in Congress anymore.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: I saw a funny tweet that,
30:21
SPEAKER_01: uh,
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cause it was comparing a bunch of different Congress people who
30:23
traded and,
30:24
SPEAKER_01: uh,
30:24
SPEAKER_01: Chip Roy trade stocks too,
30:27
SPEAKER_01: but he was down 20%.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: And,
30:28
SPEAKER_01: uh,
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SPEAKER_01: the tweet was,
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SPEAKER_01: he's going to be the first Congressman charged with outsider trading,
30:34
SPEAKER_01: um,
30:35
SPEAKER_01: instead of insider trading.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Cause he just was literally so bad at it.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: He lost money in the stock market, which is impressive.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, he's leaving.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: Um,
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SPEAKER_01: He's leaving Congress, right?
30:44
SPEAKER_00: I think he's running for AG or something.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Texas.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Texas AG.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: So, yep.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: I think this shooting,
30:54
SPEAKER_00: though,
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SPEAKER_00: that happened,
30:55
I think this is why Walls and Fry and all these guys are
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doubling down because
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they're just trying to get the fraud story off the front page
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and make it now all
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SPEAKER_00: about this ice shooting.
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That's why I think they're completely doubling down on the
31:13
story and pushing it
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SPEAKER_00: because the reality was is that even – Stephen A.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: Smith,
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SPEAKER_00: do you ever listen to him?
31:20
SPEAKER_00: I see occasional clips.
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SPEAKER_00: It is a pretty good –
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he did a pretty good job, I think, of outlining.
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SPEAKER_00: I tweeted it.
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He did a pretty good job of outlining,
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like,
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it won't be deemed,
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you know,
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murder.
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It won't be deemed,
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but the Democrats are literally just calling it murder.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, that lady was trolling them, blocking them in.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: And the Chicago police chief came out and just said,
31:44
SPEAKER_00: if that was me,
31:45
SPEAKER_00: I'd shoot her too,
31:46
SPEAKER_00: basically.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm paraphrasing.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: But he was very supportive of the Chicago police chief.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Just says,
31:52
you can't block a police officer in and then try to speed off
31:58
when they're in front
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SPEAKER_00: of you and expect them not to react.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: That is what they're trained to do.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: And that is what these far left lunatics with these protesting,
32:09
SPEAKER_00: with the rhetoric coming out of the left,
32:10
SPEAKER_00: basically blood in the streets.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: They want this and they just don't want to be them that dies.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: But they don't mind if it's,
32:18
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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some lady from rural Minnesota or wherever the heck she was
32:21
from to go ahead and
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SPEAKER_00: stir the pot to force something like this to happen.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: So they can,
32:28
SPEAKER_00: again,
32:28
SPEAKER_00: blame Donald Trump,
32:30
SPEAKER_00: you know,
32:30
and that's all about scoring political points has nothing to do
32:33
with that lady.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: It's all political points.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: And it's also to get the fraud out of.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: I think it's really sad, too, because I think that.
32:42
Because they're putting out all of this rhetoric and stuff
32:46
about getting in ICE's
32:48
SPEAKER_01: way and blocking them and stuff like that and stopping law enforcement.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't know about the training.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: I think because of this incident,
32:56
they're going to need to make sure that they train their ICE
32:58
officers really,
33:00
really well because you really don't want a lot of these
33:02
incidents if you can avoid
33:03
SPEAKER_01: them.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: So hopefully the administration takes a lot of precautions on this.
33:08
SPEAKER_01: But...
33:09
SPEAKER_01: You also have to have the ability to enforce the law.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: You can't just have people show up with their cars,
33:14
SPEAKER_01: get in the way of situations and block enforcement of the laws.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: You don't have to like the laws, but this is not the kind of of protest.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: And this is very dangerous kind of protest.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: And when you protest in this way, people get hurt.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: And so people shouldn't be surprised by that.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: And I think, again, this goes to the kinds of of rhetoric out there.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: that really needs to be dialed back.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: And so that we don't have more situations, uh, like this.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: I've seen a lot of videos kind of analyzing.
33:43
And this is the tough part is you can see all these different
33:46
angles and say,
33:47
SPEAKER_01: you know,
33:47
SPEAKER_01: what happened.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what happened in that situation.
33:50
I mean,
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it seemed like there was some ice involved that made the
33:53
situation worse.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: But again,
33:54
SPEAKER_01: it's like,
33:55
SPEAKER_01: if you don't put yourself in that position,
33:57
SPEAKER_01: then you're not going to be in a,
33:58
SPEAKER_01: in a,
33:59
SPEAKER_01: in a spot like that.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yes, just a sad situation all around Portland.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: On the other hand, um,
34:05
SPEAKER_01: Really interesting.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: So Democrats fell into a trap that they often fall into,
34:09
SPEAKER_01: which is if Trump did something,
34:11
SPEAKER_01: it's bad.
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SPEAKER_01: And or his administration did something, it's bad.
34:15
And so there was shootings in Portland the day after shootings
34:18
in Minneapolis.
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And so Democrats rushed to attack the Department of Homeland
34:24
Security and ICE.
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SPEAKER_01: For the shootings and then turns out,
34:29
SPEAKER_01: whoopsie,
34:30
these were Venezuelan gang members that were illegally in the
34:34
country that had been
34:35
SPEAKER_01: involved in shootings on their own.
34:37
And so my guess is they weren't super friendly when they were
34:41
stopped and that they
34:42
SPEAKER_01: weren't super compliant when they were stopped.
34:45
And so if you're a Democrat and this is just my suggestion,
34:49
take it or leave it.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: They'll probably leave it.
34:51
If you're a Democrat,
34:53
don't publish a press release about something that just
34:55
happened.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: Wait for information.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: Do not publish a statement right away.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: Wait for more information because it'll look like because I mean,
35:03
SPEAKER_01: right after this,
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SPEAKER_01: I saw two people shot in Portland.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, no, did we just have Minneapolis happen here?
35:08
SPEAKER_01: And then more information came out and it was like,
35:10
SPEAKER_01: OK,
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these guys were criminals and they were likely carrying guns
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and all that kind of
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SPEAKER_01: stuff.
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And so if you rushed a statement out,
35:18
you're probably going to wish you hadn't done that.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: But that's what's expected now of Democrats.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: And that's the tough part about this.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: and there is,
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SPEAKER_00: I think it was Rep Ruiz,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: we're doing something in the legislature in short session.
35:36
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what they're going to do.
35:38
He has a bill to allow you to sue ICE or federal law
35:43
enforcement if they violate
35:45
SPEAKER_01: the Fourth Amendment,
35:46
SPEAKER_01: I think is what I saw.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: It's on his Instagram page.
35:50
I think that'll be interesting in terms of like – I think it's
35:54
civil lawsuits.
35:55
They're trying to enable civil lawsuits of individuals who are
36:01
law enforcement,
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SPEAKER_01: federal law enforcement,
36:02
SPEAKER_01: and maybe prevent them from wearing masks too.
36:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how they'll enforce that part of it.
36:08
SPEAKER_01: Or maybe that was a comment on his post.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I know they're working on legislation about this issue.
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SPEAKER_01: It's interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: It'll be interesting to see what they do with it.
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I don't think they're going to have a lot of success because
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it's federal law enforcement.
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SPEAKER_01: And we already don't cooperate with federal law enforcement.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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my whole sense is I understand why folks like Representative
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Ruiz and Democrats
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SPEAKER_00: want illegal aliens in Oregon and
36:42
You know,
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voting for them,
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giving them free stuff,
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all those sort of things.
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SPEAKER_00: I get the bleeding heart side of all of that.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: You know, they believe in more one world versus an America, right?
36:53
SPEAKER_00: All that sort of stuff.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: And they hate the fact that Trump won.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: They hate the fact that he has policies that they disagree with.
37:03
I understand that they hate the fact that he's saying you don't
37:07
get free lunch
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SPEAKER_00: anymore when you're an able-bodied American.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: You should go get a freaking job.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: I understand why they hate all of his policies and stuff like that.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: But you he won.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: That's how the process worked.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: Do you know,
37:20
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:20
SPEAKER_00: four years of Biden,
37:21
like how much we hated things that was coming out of the
37:25
federal government.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: You love them because they were all the things you loved.
37:29
SPEAKER_00: This is how the world works.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: And you don't get to protest by obstructing.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: What the president is doing and that's what it is.
37:38
You're not protesting when you park your car and try to
37:41
obstruct federal agents
37:43
just because you don't like the fact that they're going to go
37:46
get gang members and
37:48
SPEAKER_00: send them back to where they're from.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: I know you don't like that, but too bad.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: He won.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: Win in 28.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: You guys say that.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Democrats say that stuff to us all the time.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, if you don't like it, then win majority.
38:01
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
38:02
SPEAKER_00: Try, right?
38:03
SPEAKER_00: And so we're doing our best, but they won this presidency.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: And it turns out,
38:09
SPEAKER_00: if you look at it nationwide,
38:11
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:12
SPEAKER_00: on this issue,
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SPEAKER_00: most people are still with President Trump.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, they still want these people gone.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: And I don't...
38:19
I don't know where we stand in Oregon on this issue on the
38:22
illegal aliens and
38:23
SPEAKER_00: removing people and ice stuff.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen any polling on it.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: I'd be curious,
38:29
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:29
SPEAKER_00: as we get into the campaign season,
38:31
SPEAKER_00: I think we'll start seeing some polling on that.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: But, uh,
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SPEAKER_00: To just kind of come out and blankly say,
38:37
SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: it's kind of like the transgender thing,
38:39
SPEAKER_00: like in boys and girls sports,
38:41
SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: is it an 80-20 issue and they're just picking the 20% issue,
38:47
SPEAKER_00: but because they have abortion,
38:49
SPEAKER_00: they still win in Oregon?
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: I think that's what they're banking on.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: So Homeland Security,
38:53
SPEAKER_01: actually,
38:54
SPEAKER_01: just a little bit before we or as we were starting,
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SPEAKER_01: they released headshots of the two people.
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SPEAKER_01: And they are both.
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SPEAKER_01: It says both are criminal illegal aliens from Venezuela.
39:06
SPEAKER_01: It was a couple.
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SPEAKER_01: The man is a suspected gang member.
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And then the woman is allegedly associated with a prostitution
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ring and was
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SPEAKER_01: involved in a prior shooting in Portland.
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SPEAKER_01: Both illegally entered the U.S.
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SPEAKER_01: in 2022.
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They were released into the country under the Biden
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administration policy.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the man has been arrested for DUI,
39:30
SPEAKER_01: unauthorized use of a vehicle and has a final order of removal.
39:33
SPEAKER_01: So bad, bad folks.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe times two on unauthorized use of a vehicle.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, looks like it.
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Congress should immediately pass obstructing federal agents
39:50
with your vehicle and
39:52
SPEAKER_00: you're going to federal prison.
39:54
If you obstruct federal agents with your vehicle or any sort of
39:58
motorized vehicle,
40:01
SPEAKER_00: you're going to federal prison.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: And they should do that blanket-wide.
40:07
SPEAKER_00: States can't do anything about it.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: If you obstruct a federal agent...
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from performing their duties,
40:15
they can arrest you and take you to federal prison.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: That will stop you.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: If you want to protest in the streets, protest all you want.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: I think it's great.
40:23
But you can't take your mom with your latte from Starbucks and
40:28
go follow ICE agents
40:29
and think you're a cool little white liberal from the suburbs
40:33
helping out ICE
40:33
agents and blocking ICE agents and other federal agents from
40:37
doing their job.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: You just can't.
40:40
I think that's what President Trump should do and congressional
40:43
Republicans and
40:45
SPEAKER_00: just said because you have to have law.
40:46
I don't know how you enforce the laws without making it clear
40:50
that federal law
40:50
SPEAKER_01: enforcement has to be able to operate legally.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: And I like I just don't know how you do it otherwise.
40:57
You can't have all these kinds of protests and shutting down
41:00
the streets and and
41:02
SPEAKER_01: rioting and that kind of stuff.
41:05
SPEAKER_00: And you know who's been very silent on the issue,
41:07
SPEAKER_00: very silent on the issue,
41:09
SPEAKER_00: who hates Donald Trump but has said nothing?
41:12
SPEAKER_00: Gavin Newsom.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's interesting.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: Very interesting.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: Very interesting.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: All right.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: What do we have last before we wrap it up here?
41:23
SPEAKER_00: Right.
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Hey,
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so just real quick,
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we got to bring it up because it's just hilarious.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: The worst county in Oregon.
41:32
I even hate to say this because it's probably not really fair
41:34
to Josephine County,
41:35
SPEAKER_00: but Josephine County clearly.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: We can give them the political struggle bus award for ungovernableness.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're probably worse than John Day at this point.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: And John Day has recalled a bunch of people, too, over the years.
41:52
But but Josephine County elects somebody and then they recall
41:56
that person.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: They've now recalled John West previously.
42:00
And then this this Herman would have been former Senate
42:04
Republican leader would
42:05
SPEAKER_00: have been recalled,
42:05
SPEAKER_00: but he quit for recall.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: And then, yeah, he got out of there.
42:11
And then the latest recall was a yes and voted that the person
42:17
that they and I forget his name.
42:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it matters,
42:20
SPEAKER_00: but because he's just going to go down in the history books,
42:22
SPEAKER_00: but they they voted in a new commissioner.
42:26
SPEAKER_00: And then they recalled that commissioner.
42:28
So what I find that's happening in Josephine County is that you
42:32
have a doom loop of
42:34
SPEAKER_00: their own of Republicans have clear majority.
42:39
So they whenever there's a regular ballot,
42:42
they vote in the Republican vote.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: And then the left wingers,
42:47
which there's a there's a decent size contingent of some strong
42:52
and grants pass of
42:53
left wingers that are basically poll recall petitions and then
42:57
get a recall
42:58
SPEAKER_00: petition on the ballot.
42:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, most people in Josephine County don't like the government.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't care if you're Republican, Democrat or whatever.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: Right.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: They're very anti-government.
43:08
And I've run enough or been involved in some campaign campaigns
43:12
down there to know
43:13
SPEAKER_00: that they're definitely don't like the government.
43:15
There was a point at which the sheriff's office in Josephine
43:18
County wouldn't even
43:19
SPEAKER_00: go beyond the Grants Pass borders further south.
43:23
Like they would roll down there because of all the weeds and
43:27
the narco stuff and
43:28
SPEAKER_00: stuff that's happening down there.
43:29
SPEAKER_00: They just would stay out of it, right?
43:31
SPEAKER_00: They're like, that's all new country.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: I pulled up an article about this recall.
43:35
SPEAKER_01: So there were two recalls.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: Andreas Blech, I don't know the last name, B-L-E-C-H, just resigned.
43:45
SPEAKER_01: And that left the commission with two members.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: Ron Smith and Chris Barnett.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
43:52
SPEAKER_01: Now there was a period.
43:53
I remember seeing an article not that long ago that Ron Smith
43:56
wouldn't show up to
43:58
SPEAKER_01: county commission meetings.
43:59
SPEAKER_01: And so there was only one commissioner of three.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: They couldn't function.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: And I generally prefer the three commissioner structure,
44:07
but this is a pretty good argument to not have three
44:09
commissioners right now,
44:10
SPEAKER_01: this situation.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: So then Ron Smith is now the only commissioner.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: So whether he shows up or not, it doesn't matter.
44:18
SPEAKER_01: Under Josephine County's charter,
44:19
a temporary committee made up of the county's other elected
44:22
officials appoint
44:23
SPEAKER_01: replacement commissioners.
44:24
SPEAKER_01: So I'm assuming that's their like their sheriff,
44:27
maybe their county treasurer or whoever else like it gets
44:30
elected county wide.
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SPEAKER_01: The clerk.
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SPEAKER_01: The clerk.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So like.
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SPEAKER_01: The assessor.
44:36
SPEAKER_01: Wild.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: Wild.
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just yeah maybe yunker will become the next county commissioner
44:43
so i've seen tweets
44:44
saying he's thinking about running for governor um and so i've
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also seen him tweet
44:49
about this situation but i didn't understand enough to uh
44:53
really know what he was
44:54
saying but it seems like he is somehow sort of involved or at
44:59
least on the
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SPEAKER_01: sidelines on this issue but yeah that would be
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SPEAKER_01: Huge.
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SPEAKER_00: Pretty wild, though.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: More to come.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll follow what happens there because that's kind of fun, right?
45:13
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: And then the other thing that I wanted to just flag,
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SPEAKER_00: because it happens on Monday,
45:19
SPEAKER_00: is the city of Sherwood,
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SPEAKER_00: which,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: they were definitely...
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SPEAKER_00: They are the definition of NIMBYs.
45:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: Right?
45:29
In the state of...
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So people in Sherwood don't want Sherwood to grow at all
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anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't want any housing.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: They don't want any of that stuff to happen.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: To the point of...
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They created two bills that they – measures that they put out
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on charters that they
45:47
SPEAKER_00: sent out to vote,
45:48
SPEAKER_00: like a special election.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: So they're spending money.
45:50
SPEAKER_00: One means that the city has more control over land use decisions.
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So it requires one public hearing when a big new residential
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development is proposed.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the other one is Measure 34-3048, which –
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thinks that basically it will not allow the city to grow at all
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anymore with UGB
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SPEAKER_00: expansion,
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SPEAKER_00: basically is the gist of it.
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And it's because they really hated the two governor's bills,
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2001 and Senate Bill 1537.
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SPEAKER_00: And then they really hated,
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SPEAKER_00: and I know this for a fact,
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SPEAKER_00: our last bill that we passed,
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SPEAKER_00: which was 974,
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SPEAKER_00: which put time...
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SPEAKER_00: Time limits on planning decision.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: they were to the point to where,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the planning director,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
46:39
SPEAKER_00: was,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: he was horrid.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: On this stuff like and they're just the talk about a city running amok.
46:47
SPEAKER_00: So we're pretty sure it'll probably pass because it's a you know,
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SPEAKER_00: it's a town of a bunch of NIMBYs.
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So they'll pass it and it'll be interesting to see how it kind
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of plays out in the
46:58
SPEAKER_00: grand scheme of things,
46:59
SPEAKER_00: because they don't realize that the state.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: can trump the city when it comes to,
47:06
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: laws,
47:07
SPEAKER_00: just like federal government trumps the state.
47:09
SPEAKER_00: So you don't get to just say, no, we don't care.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: We're not going to do, you know, we're not doing it anyways.
47:16
SPEAKER_00: You don't just get pound your feet and pound sand.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: Right.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: So,
47:19
but it's an interesting take on why a city doesn't want more
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housing to support
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SPEAKER_00: their citizens.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: They said, now that we, now that I'm here,
47:30
SPEAKER_00: Let's close the door.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: And that's literally what they're trying to say.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I get their problem.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: They're in an area that is Sherwood.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a pretty growing area.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: People fleeing Portland, right?
47:42
SPEAKER_00: They want to kind of go out into those areas.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: So Wilsonville, Sherwood, right?
47:47
SPEAKER_00: All of Tualatin.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: And then that goes all the way out to McMinnville,
47:51
SPEAKER_00: pretty much that whole kind of weird finger,
47:54
SPEAKER_00: Southwest finger.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: Nobody really wants to be in Portland, so they're all moving out there.
47:59
So I get the pressure of it,
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but that's not how you do things to say,
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no,
48:03
I'm not going to grow.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: You,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
48:06
SPEAKER_00: you figure out how you grow and you do smart growth instead of,
48:09
SPEAKER_00: you know,
48:09
SPEAKER_00: this idea where I'll just screw everybody and we're just locking it down.
48:14
And if that's the case,
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then I guess you don't need a planning director anymore.
48:17
And it turns out,
48:18
I guess you don't need anybody else in the building department.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: So let's just start laying people out.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: So I'm searching Facebook.
48:24
I can't find any websites for the yes campaign or the no
48:27
campaign or anything like that.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: This must have been.
48:30
SPEAKER_00: I think they needed one.
48:31
SPEAKER_00: Funny story.
48:31
The first thing that pops up,
48:33
Thousand Friends of Oregon actually opposes one of these
48:35
measures.
48:36
SPEAKER_01: They oppose the one related to annexation,
48:39
SPEAKER_01: which I think is very,
48:40
SPEAKER_01: very funny because,
48:41
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
48:41
SPEAKER_01: they're obviously opposed to annexing any land if they can help it,
48:45
because that could mean that the land would accidentally turn
48:48
into housing,
48:49
SPEAKER_01: which we can't have,
48:49
SPEAKER_01: of course.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: So that is funny.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: They don't speak to the citizen involvement one.
48:55
SPEAKER_01: And typically they are more pro citizen involvement,
48:58
SPEAKER_01: notifying more people,
49:00
SPEAKER_01: allowing more steps,
49:01
SPEAKER_01: allowing more hearings,
49:02
SPEAKER_01: allowing all that stuff.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: which is super interesting to see,
49:06
but I am not seeing anything in terms of anything insignificant
49:09
in terms of no,
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SPEAKER_01: which this is a hard measure to explain to people because,
49:14
SPEAKER_01: again,
49:14
SPEAKER_01: like you said,
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SPEAKER_01: the hypocrisy is always,
49:17
SPEAKER_01: well,
49:18
SPEAKER_01: now that I live here and I have a place to live,
49:20
SPEAKER_01: no one else should be
49:21
SPEAKER_01: allowed to move here,
49:22
SPEAKER_01: which is which is silly,
49:23
SPEAKER_01: because like,
49:24
SPEAKER_01: you would hate that if you were trying to move there.
49:26
SPEAKER_01: And then they were like, No, we don't want you here.
49:29
SPEAKER_01: So it is, it's just a very, it's just a very hypocritical viewpoint.
49:33
I do understand their frustration with single family housing
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developments being
49:39
SPEAKER_01: turned into multifamily or other things like that.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: I really do 75% of Oregonians are
49:45
SPEAKER_01: want single family homes,
49:46
SPEAKER_01: we should build single family homes,
49:48
SPEAKER_01: we should make single family homes easy to be built.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: So I know I don't necessarily support that aspect.
49:55
SPEAKER_01: So I understand their frustration with that.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: But more citizen involvement is not going to more red tape regulations,
50:03
SPEAKER_01: hurdles,
50:03
SPEAKER_01: potential blocks is not going to make housing any more affordable.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: And it's not going to build you more single family housing.
50:09
The reason more of this land is getting turned into multifamily
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and two apartments
50:14
is because those are going to generate higher profit long term
50:17
than the sale of a
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SPEAKER_01: single family house with a yard.
50:21
SPEAKER_01: So you can fit more units in the same amount of space,
50:25
SPEAKER_01: which allows you to sell more and make more from that.
50:28
SPEAKER_01: And so because we make it so expensive to develop single family housing,
50:32
SPEAKER_01: you're going to get less of it absent the requirement.
50:35
SPEAKER_01: to not have single-family-only zoned areas, right?
50:39
SPEAKER_01: So adding to that burden,
50:41
SPEAKER_01: actually,
50:42
SPEAKER_01: what they're trying to do and what they're trying to say is we only want
50:44
SPEAKER_01: single-family homes,
50:45
SPEAKER_01: and I agree with that.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: The way they're going about it is going to undermine that goal.
50:50
And so that's the really unfortunate part about this and why my
50:54
position that we
50:55
SPEAKER_01: should probably just dissolve all of the cities is still,
50:58
SPEAKER_01: I think,
50:58
SPEAKER_01: the correct policy position.
51:01
SPEAKER_01: I don't understand why cities exist.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: At this point, because they're an extra layer of government.
51:06
SPEAKER_01: They tend to be the most uninformed, useless form of government.
51:11
SPEAKER_01: There's too many of them.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: They all have varying needs.
51:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
51:14
you have really tiny cities like the city of Elgin or something
51:17
like that and all
51:18
SPEAKER_01: the way up to the city of Portland.
51:20
SPEAKER_01: that want totally different things.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: What we need to do is to solve the cities,
51:24
SPEAKER_01: have urban and rural areas,
51:25
SPEAKER_01: have it all run by the county governments,
51:27
SPEAKER_01: right?
51:28
SPEAKER_01: And you'll consolidate your layers of government.
51:30
SPEAKER_01: You can reduce,
51:31
you can still increase your tax base because you could take
51:34
some of your city taxes
51:35
SPEAKER_01: and give it to the county,
51:36
SPEAKER_01: but reduce the overall tax burden,
51:38
SPEAKER_01: simplify.
51:39
SPEAKER_01: If I was going to doge government in Oregon,
51:41
SPEAKER_01: that would actually be the number one thing I would do as a
51:43
eliminate the extra layer at the city local state and federal
51:47
government not
51:48
federal state local local local local government which is what
51:52
we have with all
51:53
these parks districts and all these other things like simplify
51:56
it have it run by
51:56
the counties have fire be run at the county level honestly i
52:00
mean i understand that
52:01
SPEAKER_01: it's a little wonky with some of these regions but like
52:04
SPEAKER_01: I think there's just too many layers of government.
52:06
SPEAKER_01: It's too expensive.
52:07
SPEAKER_01: It's too duplicative.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: You need multiple IT departments and stuff like that.
52:12
And people are going to complain about the one example they
52:14
know of where there's
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SPEAKER_01: sharing agreements.
52:16
But overall,
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it's extra expense,
52:19
it is extra burdens,
52:20
and it isn't helpful.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: And so I'm sorry if that offends people,
52:24
but I continue to be more and more convinced that city
52:28
government is generally
52:30
SPEAKER_01: useless.
52:31
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry if that's offensive to you,
52:32
SPEAKER_01: but go run for county and then understand that that's the truth,
52:37
SPEAKER_01: I think.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: It's hard to argue,
52:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
52:41
SPEAKER_00: because then what you end up with,
52:43
SPEAKER_00: like you just said,
52:44
is you go past the county level and now you've got all these
52:47
special districts that
52:49
SPEAKER_00: serve a wider area than just the city.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: So then they're always clamoring to find some more dollars, right?
52:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, so it's just...
52:57
It becomes such a problem from a parks to a fire department to
53:00
school districts to cities.
53:03
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, all they're doing is charging.
53:05
And these districts can all put stuff on the ballot and then
53:08
they put stuff on the ballot.
53:09
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, do you want us to murder a bunch of puppies or no?
53:12
SPEAKER_01: And then everybody votes no because no one wants dead puppies.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: and then they add all these layers of taxes.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: And that's part of what's making Oregon unaffordable.
53:20
SPEAKER_01: I was looking at the list of revenue biggest tax generators,
53:24
and four of the biggest tax generators are all taxes in Noma
53:28
County or Portland
53:29
SPEAKER_01: that raise $250 million to $300 million,
53:34
SPEAKER_01: each of these four taxes,
53:36
which is all the same amount of money as is raised by the cat
53:40
tax or something like
53:41
SPEAKER_01: that combined.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:42
SPEAKER_01: It's just too much.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: And so we need to find a way to simplify, deliver the core services.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: And that's the great thing about counties, I think.
53:50
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, people have varying experiences with county governments.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: Also, I get it.
53:57
Less government is the answer,
53:58
but you have to have some local government.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: they do roads,
54:02
SPEAKER_01: they do law enforcement,
54:03
SPEAKER_01: uh,
54:03
SPEAKER_01: they do building,
54:04
SPEAKER_01: they do like,
54:05
SPEAKER_01: they have almost everything except for fire.
54:07
And it doesn't seem like it would be that terribly hard for
54:09
them to have fire.
54:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's my solution.
54:13
SPEAKER_00: It's horrible.
54:14
SPEAKER_00: I think in just Kirk County alone,
54:18
SPEAKER_00: Reagan,
54:18
SPEAKER_00: I think I pay $18,000 a year in property taxes with my buildings.
54:22
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: So, and I'm, you know, and I'm just small potatoes.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: I own a couple of commercial buildings and, um,
54:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, the ranch and stuff like that.
54:31
But it's just,
54:33
but I have to pay that much money,
54:35
you know,
54:35
to all of those different things.
54:37
SPEAKER_00: School districts, cemetery district, museum district, library district.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just, it's too much.
54:47
SPEAKER_00: And there's some counties run well, and if you had a good county.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: I understand the need for certain cities.
54:53
SPEAKER_00: I probably disagree with you on some of the larger cities.
54:58
SPEAKER_00: If you get to a certain size, there's a need that hits a certain scale.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: But I'm with you.
55:04
I think what Alexandra said when she talks about cities,
55:09
I think she said...
55:11
80 is it 80 percent of all the cities in oregon are under 10
55:15
000 in population so
55:17
there's really clearly not a yeah i think that's right yeah
55:24
well i think we did it
55:25
buddy first time on the new platform it was good i got some
55:29
things in here we can
55:30
SPEAKER_00: do clapping like sound effects fun uh but you gotta play some of those
55:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh, we needed that for our announcements.
55:44
SPEAKER_01: We'll have to do that.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: We can do some transition.
55:46
SPEAKER_00: I got laughing.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: I got laugh.
55:49
SPEAKER_01: Now we're a sitcom, Brian.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: We're hilarious.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: Hey, maybe we can be our own variety show.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: Ouch.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: Ouch.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: And then and then that was this.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I got AI as state rep Brees Iverson in there.
56:07
SPEAKER_00: That was interesting.
56:09
SPEAKER_00: Brian, Brian, wait, Brian, wait.
56:11
SPEAKER_01: We're still going to get the laughing ready.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: Brian, what we need to do is eliminate all the cities.
56:21
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
56:21
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: That's how that that comment will be met by most people.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
56:28
SPEAKER_01: That is so good.
56:29
SPEAKER_01: That's fantastic.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have to play more with that.
56:32
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
56:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can upload stuff too.
56:36
So it'd be kind of,
56:36
and we can do it in real time,
56:37
which would be kind of neat.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, very exciting.
56:40
We're slowly but surely getting just barely more professional
56:45
than we were.
56:46
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for tuning in.
56:48
SPEAKER_01: We've got some great episodes planned,
56:50
SPEAKER_01: I think,
56:50
SPEAKER_01: for this upcoming year and kind of a content,
56:54
SPEAKER_01: maybe barely a content strategy.
56:56
SPEAKER_01: So we're, you know, we're really coming up in the world here.
56:59
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