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Gotham's Dark Reflections: A Discussion on Batman, Literacy, and Systemic Issues · Systematic Geekology

• 1:10
  Foreign.
• 1:15
  Did
• 1:16
  the
• 1:16
  Joker
• 1:17
  really
• 1:18
  die
• 1:19
  when
• 1:19
  he
• 1:19
  fell
• 1:19
  off
• 1:20
  that
• 1:20
  building?
• 1:21
  Guys,
• 1:21
  we're
• 1:21
  here,
• 1:22
  part
• 1:22
  of
• 1:22
  our
• 1:23
  all
• 1:23
  reading
• 1:23
  counts,
• 1:24
  to
• 1:24
  talk
• 1:24
  about
• 1:24
  an
• 1:24
  audiobook.
• 1:25
  We're
• 1:25
  talking
• 1:25
  about
• 1:26
  Batman
• 1:27
  resurrections
• 1:28
  voted
• 1:28
  on
• 1:29
  by
• 1:29
  our
• 1:29
  dear
• 1:29
  patrons
• 1:31
  and
• 1:31
  part
• 1:31
  of
• 1:31
  our
• 1:32
  All
• 1:32
  Reading
• 1:32
  Count
• 1:32
  series
• 1:33
  that
• 1:33
  we
• 1:33
  love
• 1:34
  doing
• 1:34
  in
• 1:34
  support
• 1:34
  of
• 1:34
  our
• 1:35
  local
• 1:35
  libraries.
• 1:35
  And
• 1:36
  just
• 1:36
  because
• 1:36
  we
• 1:37
  like
• 1:37
  reading,
• 1:37
  because
• 1:38
  if
• 1:39
  y'all
• 1:39
  didn't
• 1:39
  know,
• 1:39
  we're
• 1:40
  geeks.
• 1:40
  We're
• 1:41
  the
• 1:41
  priests.
• 1:41
  Do
• 1:41
  the
• 1:41
  geeks.
• 1:42
  I
• 1:43
  am
• 1:43
  Joshua
• 1:44
  Noll.
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  I
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  am
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  here
• 1:46
  with
• 1:47
  my
• 1:47
  beloved
• 1:48
  co
• 1:48
  host,
• 1:48
  the
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  one
• 1:49
  who
• 1:49
  turned
• 1:49
  me
• 1:49
  onto
• 1:50
  this
• 1:50
  book.
• 1:50
  I
• 1:50
  can't
• 1:50
  wait
• 1:51
  to
• 1:51
  talk
• 1:51
  about
• 1:51
  the
• 1:52
  one
• 1:52
  and
• 1:52
  only
• 1:53
  our
• 1:53
  resident
• 1:53
  scientist,
• 1:54
  Andy
• 1:54
  Walsh.
• 1:55
  How's
• 1:55
  it
• 1:55
  going,
• 1:55
  man?
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  Doing
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  well,
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  man.
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  How
• 1:57
  are
• 1:57
  you?
• 1:58
  Doing
• 1:58
  well,
• 1:58
  doing
• 1:58
  well.
• 1:59
  Staying
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  busy,
• 2:00
  but
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  having
• 2:00
  fun
• 2:01
  with
• 2:01
  it,
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  you
• 2:01
  know,
• 2:01
  at
• 2:01
  least
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  I'm
• 2:02
  busy
• 2:02
  with
• 2:02
  stuff
• 2:02
  I
• 2:03
  love
• 2:03
  and
• 2:03
  enjoy
• 2:04
  and
• 2:04
  in
• 2:04
  a
• 2:04
  house
• 2:05
  that's
• 2:05
  safe.
• 2:05
  So
• 2:06
  that's
• 2:06
  excellent.
• 2:07
  Yeah,
• 2:08
  I'll
• 2:08
  take
• 2:08
  it
• 2:08
  what
• 2:09
  I
• 2:09
  can.
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  So
• 2:10
  for
• 2:10
  those
• 2:10
  listening,
• 2:11
  you
• 2:11
  may
• 2:11
  know
• 2:11
  this
• 2:12
  all
• 2:12
  reading
• 2:12
  counts.
• 2:12
  We've
• 2:12
  been
• 2:12
  going
• 2:13
  through
• 2:13
  stuff
• 2:13
  like
• 2:13
  comic
• 2:14
  books,
• 2:14
  manga,
• 2:15
  poems.
• 2:15
  Like
• 2:16
  what?
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  What
• 2:16
  counts?
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  All
• 2:17
  reading
• 2:17
  counts.
• 2:18
  What
• 2:19
  are
• 2:19
  the
• 2:19
  benefits
• 2:19
  of
• 2:19
  reading
• 2:20
  all
• 2:20
  that
• 2:20
  kind
• 2:20
  of
• 2:20
  stuff?
• 2:20
  And
• 2:20
  today
• 2:20
  we're
• 2:21
  talking
• 2:21
  about
• 2:21
  audiobooks,
• 2:21
  which
• 2:22
  has
• 2:22
  been
• 2:23
  a
• 2:23
  little
• 2:23
  bit
• 2:23
  contentious
• 2:24
  even
• 2:24
  amongst
• 2:25
  our
• 2:25
  hosts.
• 2:25
  There's
• 2:26
  some
• 2:26
  of
• 2:26
  our
• 2:26
  hosts
• 2:26
  that
• 2:26
  disagree
• 2:27
  with
• 2:27
  me,
• 2:27
  that
• 2:27
  are
• 2:27
  like,
• 2:27
  wait,
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  that
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  doesn't
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  count
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  because
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  it's
• 2:29
  audio
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  and
• 2:30
  it
• 2:30
  might
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  be
• 2:30
  beneficial,
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  but
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  it's
• 2:31
  not
• 2:31
  reading.
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  Because
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  the
• 2:32
  definition
• 2:32
  of
• 2:32
  reading
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  is,
• 2:33
  guess
• 2:34
  what,
• 2:34
  guys,
• 2:34
  get
• 2:34
  over
• 2:34
  it.
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  Or
• 2:35
  we're
• 2:35
  counting
• 2:36
  audiobooks.
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  So,
• 2:38
  guys,
• 2:39
  I
• 2:39
  can't
• 2:39
  wait
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  for
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  this.
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  If
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  you're
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  on
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  a
• 2:40
  laptop,
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  please
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  consider
• 2:42
  rating
• 2:42
  and
• 2:42
  reviewing
• 2:42
  our
• 2:42
  show
• 2:42
  on
• 2:43
  Podchaser
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  or
• 2:43
  on
• 2:44
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• 2:44
  That
• 2:45
  helps
• 2:45
  our
• 2:45
  show
• 2:45
  gain
• 2:46
  recognition
• 2:46
  and
• 2:46
  it
• 2:47
  makes
• 2:47
  it
• 2:47
  easier
• 2:47
  to
• 2:47
  find
• 2:47
  our
• 2:48
  show
• 2:48
  and
• 2:48
  other
• 2:48
  search
• 2:49
  engines
• 2:49
  that
• 2:50
  prioritize
• 2:50
  what
• 2:51
  those
• 2:52
  platforms
• 2:52
  have
• 2:52
  to
• 2:52
  say.
• 2:53
  If
• 2:53
  you're
• 2:53
  on
• 2:53
  your
• 2:54
  phone,
• 2:54
  however,
• 2:54
  if
• 2:55
  you're
• 2:55
  not
• 2:55
  on
• 2:55
  a
• 2:55
  laptop,
• 2:55
  you're
• 2:55
  on
• 2:56
  your
• 2:56
  phone.
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  Consider
• 2:56
  rating,
• 2:56
  reviewing,
• 2:57
  or
• 2:57
  commenting
• 2:57
  on
• 2:58
  our
• 2:58
  show
• 2:58
  on
• 2:58
  Apple
• 2:59
  Podcasts
• 2:59
  or
• 2:59
  Spotify.
• 3:00
  That
• 3:00
  helps
• 3:01
  prioritize
• 3:01
  our
• 3:02
  show
• 3:02
  specifically
• 3:02
  in
• 3:03
  those
• 3:03
  apps,
• 3:03
  which
• 3:03
  is
• 3:03
  where
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  we
• 3:04
  most
• 3:04
  people
• 3:04
  listen.
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  So
• 3:05
  thank
• 3:05
  you
• 3:05
  again
• 3:05
  so
• 3:05
  much
• 3:06
  for
• 3:06
  your
• 3:06
  support
• 3:06
  in
• 3:07
  that
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  free
• 3:08
  quick
• 3:08
  way
• 3:09
  where
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  you
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  could
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  just
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  leave
• 3:09
  a
• 3:10
  quick
• 3:10
  review.
• 3:10
  That
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  helps
• 3:11
  a
• 3:11
  lot
• 3:11
  and
• 3:11
  we
• 3:12
  appreciate
• 3:12
  it.
• 3:12
  Another
• 3:13
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• 3:13
  we
• 3:13
  appreciate
• 3:14
  is
• 3:14
  our
• 3:14
  sponsors.
• 3:15
  Some
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  people
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  throw
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  a
• 3:16
  little
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  money
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  our
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  way
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• 3:17
  costs
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  money
• 3:17
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  run
• 3:18
  the
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  show.
• 3:18
  And
• 3:19
  we
• 3:19
  really
• 3:19
  appreciate
• 3:20
  our
• 3:20
  supporters
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  from
• 3:21
  Apple,
• 3:21
  Podcast,
• 3:21
  Captivate,
• 3:22
  and
• 3:22
  Patreon
• 3:22
  who
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  help
• 3:23
  keep
• 3:23
  our
• 3:23
  lights
• 3:23
  on.
• 3:23
  Today
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  we
• 3:24
  want
• 3:24
  to
• 3:24
  do
• 3:24
  a
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  shout
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  out
• 3:25
  to
• 3:25
  James
• 3:25
  Barrett.
• 3:26
  Thank
• 3:26
  you
• 3:26
  so
• 3:26
  much,
• 3:27
  James.
• 3:27
  And
• 3:28
  guys,
• 3:28
  Remember,
• 3:28
  if
• 3:28
  you
• 3:28
  want
• 3:28
  your
• 3:29
  own
• 3:29
  shout
• 3:29
  out,
• 3:29
  you
• 3:30
  too
• 3:30
  can
• 3:30
  support
• 3:30
  our
• 3:31
  show
• 3:31
  for
• 3:31
  $3
• 3:31
  a
• 3:31
  month
• 3:32
  on
• 3:32
  one
• 3:32
  of
• 3:32
  those
• 3:32
  three
• 3:32
  platforms.
• 3:33
  Again,
• 3:33
  Apple
• 3:33
  Podcast,
• 3:34
  Captivate
• 3:34
  or
• 3:35
  Patreon.
• 3:36
  I
• 3:37
  mentioned
• 3:37
  it
• 3:37
  several
• 3:37
  times
• 3:38
  already.
• 3:38
  This
• 3:38
  is
• 3:38
  our
• 3:38
  All
• 3:38
  Reading
• 3:39
  Count
• 3:39
  series.
• 3:40
  If
• 3:40
  you
• 3:40
  want
• 3:40
  to
• 3:40
  see
• 3:40
  more
• 3:41
  of
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  series,
• 3:41
  there's
• 3:41
  a
• 3:42
  link
• 3:42
  in
• 3:42
  the
• 3:42
  show
• 3:42
  notes.
• 3:43
  You
• 3:43
  can
• 3:43
  see
• 3:43
  all
• 3:44
  the
• 3:44
  episodes
• 3:44
  we've
• 3:44
  done
• 3:44
  as
• 3:45
  part
• 3:45
  of
• 3:45
  this.
• 3:45
  Also,
• 3:46
  if
• 3:46
  you're
• 3:46
  wondering,
• 3:46
  like
• 3:47
  how
• 3:47
  does
• 3:47
  this
• 3:47
  help
• 3:47
  our
• 3:47
  local
• 3:47
  libraries
• 3:48
  and
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  want
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  participate,
• 3:50
  you
• 3:50
  can
• 3:50
  actually
• 3:51
  purchase
• 3:52
  merch
• 3:53
  from
• 3:54
  our
• 3:54
  store
• 3:54
  that
• 3:55
  say
• 3:55
  all
• 3:55
  Reading
• 3:56
  counts.
• 3:56
  I'm
• 3:56
  going
• 3:56
  to
• 3:56
  throw
• 3:57
  some
• 3:57
  up
• 3:57
  here,
• 3:57
  Andy.
• 3:58
  Put
• 3:58
  together,
• 3:58
  it
• 3:58
  says
• 3:59
  All
• 3:59
  Reading
• 3:59
  Counts
• 3:59
  has
• 4:00
  like,
• 4:00
  you
• 4:00
  know,
• 4:00
  a
• 4:00
  little
• 4:01
  list.
• 4:01
  Epics,
• 4:01
  poems,
• 4:02
  novels,
• 4:03
  graphic
• 4:03
  novels,
• 4:04
  audiobooks.
• 4:05
  You
• 4:06
  can
• 4:06
  buy
• 4:06
  one
• 4:06
  of
• 4:06
  these
• 4:07
  and
• 4:07
  what
• 4:07
  little
• 4:08
  we
• 4:08
  do
• 4:08
  make
• 4:08
  off
• 4:08
  them,
• 4:09
  we
• 4:09
  send
• 4:09
  to
• 4:09
  our
• 4:09
  local
• 4:09
  libraries
• 4:10
  and
• 4:10
  donations.
• 4:11
  You
• 4:12
  also,
• 4:12
  if
• 4:13
  you
• 4:13
  go
• 4:13
  to
• 4:13
  our
• 4:13
  Patreon
• 4:14
  and
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  you're
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  free
• 4:14
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  you're
• 4:15
  not
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  a
• 4:16
  subscriber
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• 4:16
  all,
• 4:17
  can
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  buy
• 4:17
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• 4:18
  bonus
• 4:18
  question
• 4:18
  from
• 4:19
  this
• 4:19
  episode
• 4:20
  and
• 4:20
  anything
• 4:20
  that's
• 4:21
  used
• 4:21
  for
• 4:22
  that,
• 4:22
  we
• 4:22
  also
• 4:23
  donate
• 4:23
  to
• 4:23
  our
• 4:23
  local
• 4:23
  libraries
• 4:24
  in
• 4:24
  support
• 4:24
  of
• 4:25
  literacy
• 4:25
  because
• 4:26
  literacy
• 4:27
  matters.
• 4:28
  Other
• 4:29
  things
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  matter
• 4:29
  though
• 4:30
  are
• 4:30
  Batman.
• 4:32
  Batman
• 4:33
  matters.
• 4:33
  Yeah.
• 4:34
  Today
• 4:35
  we're
• 4:35
  going
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  be
• 4:35
  talking
• 4:36
  about
• 4:37
  an
• 4:37
  awesome
• 4:38
  story,
• 4:38
  but
• 4:39
  before
• 4:39
  we
• 4:39
  get
• 4:39
  into
• 4:39
  it,
• 4:40
  we
• 4:40
  want
• 4:40
  to
• 4:40
  discuss
• 4:40
  what
• 4:41
  do
• 4:41
  we
• 4:41
  mean
• 4:41
  by
• 4:41
  all
• 4:41
  reading
• 4:42
  counts.
• 4:42
  So
• 4:42
  Andy,
• 4:43
  when
• 4:43
  you
• 4:43
  hear
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  phrase
• 4:43
  all
• 4:44
  reading
• 4:44
  counts,
• 4:45
  what
• 4:45
  does
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  make
• 4:46
  you
• 4:46
  think
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  and
• 4:46
  why
• 4:46
  do
• 4:46
  you
• 4:47
  think
• 4:47
  reading
• 4:47
  is
• 4:48
  important
• 4:48
  in
• 4:48
  your
• 4:48
  own
• 4:48
  opinion?
• 4:49
  All
• 4:49
  reading
• 4:49
  counts?
• 4:50
  Well,
• 4:50
  it
• 4:50
  makes
• 4:50
  me
• 4:50
  think
• 4:51
  about,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  know,
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  very
• 4:52
  questions
• 4:53
  that
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  mentioned
• 4:53
  before.
• 4:54
  Right.
• 4:54
  People
• 4:54
  like
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  draw
• 4:55
  fences
• 4:55
  around.
• 4:56
  This
• 4:56
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• 4:56
  what
• 4:56
  counts
• 4:56
  as
• 4:56
  reading.
• 4:57
  This
• 4:57
  is
• 4:57
  what
• 4:57
  doesn't
• 4:57
  count
• 4:57
  as
• 4:58
  reading.
• 4:58
  And
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  think
• 4:59
  it
• 5:00
  does
• 5:00
  a
• 5:00
  great
• 5:01
  disservice
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  various
• 5:02
  folks
• 5:03
  to
• 5:03
  tell
• 5:03
  them
• 5:04
  that,
• 5:04
  you
• 5:05
  know,
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  comic
• 5:05
  book
• 5:06
  that
• 5:06
  they're
• 5:06
  looking
• 5:06
  at
• 5:06
  or
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  audiobook
• 5:07
  that
• 5:07
  they
• 5:07
  listen
• 5:07
  to
• 5:08
  doesn't
• 5:08
  count
• 5:08
  as
• 5:08
  reading
• 5:08
  because
• 5:09
  it
• 5:09
  just
• 5:09
  describes
• 5:09
  is
• 5:10
  people.
• 5:10
  Right.
• 5:11
  There's
• 5:12
  lots
• 5:12
  of,
• 5:12
  there's
• 5:13
  lots
• 5:13
  of
• 5:13
  educational
• 5:14
  value.
• 5:14
  There's
• 5:14
  lots
• 5:14
  of
• 5:14
  just
• 5:15
  positive
• 5:16
  engagement
• 5:16
  value
• 5:16
  to
• 5:17
  letting
• 5:17
  people
• 5:17
  read
• 5:18
  what
• 5:18
  most
• 5:19
  engages
• 5:19
  them.
• 5:21
  There's
• 5:21
  a
• 5:21
  lot
• 5:22
  of
• 5:22
  reasons,
• 5:23
  various
• 5:24
  different
• 5:25
  disabilities
• 5:25
  and
• 5:25
  so
• 5:25
  forth
• 5:26
  that
• 5:26
  comic
• 5:26
  books
• 5:26
  or
• 5:27
  audiobooks
• 5:27
  or
• 5:28
  other
• 5:28
  media
• 5:28
  might
• 5:29
  be
• 5:29
  more
• 5:29
  accessible
• 5:29
  to
• 5:30
  someone
• 5:31
  or
• 5:32
  might
• 5:32
  just
• 5:32
  be
• 5:33
  personality
• 5:34
  wise.
• 5:34
  It's
• 5:35
  more
• 5:35
  engaging
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  look
• 5:35
  at
• 5:36
  pictures
• 5:36
  with
• 5:37
  your
• 5:37
  words
• 5:37
  or
• 5:37
  something
• 5:37
  like
• 5:38
  that.
• 5:38
  So
• 5:38
  yeah,
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  think
• 5:39
  it's
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  positive
• 5:39
  thing
• 5:40
  to
• 5:40
  encourage
• 5:41
  everybody
• 5:41
  to
• 5:42
  get
• 5:42
  as
• 5:42
  much
• 5:42
  exposure
• 5:43
  to
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  ideas
• 5:44
  that
• 5:44
  we
• 5:45
  have
• 5:45
  written
• 5:46
  down
• 5:46
  and
• 5:46
  transmitted
• 5:46
  and
• 5:47
  shared
• 5:47
  with
• 5:47
  each
• 5:47
  other
• 5:47
  in
• 5:48
  this
• 5:48
  format
• 5:49
  in
• 5:49
  whatever
• 5:50
  way
• 5:50
  that
• 5:50
  you
• 5:51
  can
• 5:51
  get
• 5:51
  a
• 5:51
  hold
• 5:51
  of
• 5:51
  them.
• 5:52
  Yeah,
• 5:52
  yeah.
• 5:52
  No,
• 5:53
  I
• 5:53
  love
• 5:53
  it.
• 5:54
  Second,
• 5:54
  everything
• 5:55
  that
• 5:55
  Andy
• 5:56
  says,
• 5:57
  also,
• 5:57
  part
• 5:58
  of
• 5:58
  that
• 5:58
  has
• 5:58
  to
• 5:58
  do
• 5:58
  with
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  benefits
• 5:59
  of
• 5:59
  reading.
• 5:59
  For
• 5:59
  me,
• 6:00
  if
• 6:00
  you
• 6:00
  look
• 6:00
  at.
• 6:01
  There's
• 6:02
  medical
• 6:02
  reasons
• 6:03
  why
• 6:03
  it's
• 6:03
  important
• 6:03
  for
• 6:04
  us
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  read,
• 6:04
  right?
• 6:05
  It's
• 6:05
  good
• 6:05
  for
• 6:05
  cognitive
• 6:06
  health.
• 6:06
  It's
• 6:06
  good
• 6:07
  for
• 6:07
  retention.
• 6:09
  Just
• 6:09
  exercising
• 6:10
  your
• 6:10
  imagination,
• 6:11
  all
• 6:11
  these
• 6:11
  kind
• 6:11
  of
• 6:11
  things,
• 6:12
  the
• 6:12
  vocabulary.
• 6:13
  But
• 6:13
  stuff
• 6:14
  that
• 6:14
  helps
• 6:14
  us.
• 6:14
  It
• 6:15
  helps
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  engage
• 6:15
  with
• 6:15
  empathy,
• 6:16
  engaging
• 6:16
  with
• 6:16
  others.
• 6:18
  And
• 6:18
  these
• 6:18
  other
• 6:18
  forms
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  reading
• 6:19
  still
• 6:19
  do
• 6:20
  that.
• 6:20
  Maybe
• 6:20
  to
• 6:21
  lesser
• 6:21
  degrees,
• 6:21
  like,
• 6:22
  maybe.
• 6:22
  And
• 6:23
  I'm
• 6:23
  not
• 6:23
  sure,
• 6:23
  but
• 6:24
  since
• 6:24
  part
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  why
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  think
• 6:25
  it
• 6:25
  helps
• 6:25
  your
• 6:25
  cognitive
• 6:26
  ability
• 6:27
  and,
• 6:27
  you
• 6:27
  know,
• 6:29
  some
• 6:29
  studies
• 6:30
  show
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  it
• 6:30
  might
• 6:30
  even
• 6:31
  delay
• 6:32
  or
• 6:32
  not.
• 6:32
  Alzheimer's.
• 6:34
  What
• 6:34
  am
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  thinking
• 6:35
  of?
• 6:35
  Dementia.
• 6:35
  Dementia.
• 6:36
  Yeah.
• 6:37
  Yeah.
• 6:37
  Some
• 6:37
  studies
• 6:37
  show
• 6:38
  that
• 6:38
  it
• 6:38
  might
• 6:38
  delay.
• 6:38
  That
• 6:39
  has
• 6:39
  to
• 6:39
  do
• 6:39
  with
• 6:39
  the
• 6:40
  fact
• 6:40
  that,
• 6:40
  like,
• 6:40
  you're
• 6:40
  exercising
• 6:41
  your
• 6:41
  brain,
• 6:41
  imagination,
• 6:42
  you're
• 6:42
  keeping
• 6:42
  that
• 6:43
  kind
• 6:43
  of
• 6:43
  skill
• 6:44
  there.
• 6:45
  And
• 6:45
  maybe
• 6:45
  sometimes,
• 6:46
  like,
• 6:46
  if
• 6:46
  you're
• 6:46
  reading
• 6:46
  comic
• 6:46
  books,
• 6:47
  you're
• 6:47
  less
• 6:47
  imagining,
• 6:48
  but
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  still
• 6:49
  have
• 6:49
  to
• 6:49
  fill
• 6:49
  in
• 6:49
  the
• 6:49
  blanks
• 6:49
  between
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  panels.
• 6:50
  You're
• 6:50
  still
• 6:50
  imagining
• 6:51
  what
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  voices
• 6:51
  sound
• 6:52
  like,
• 6:52
  Right?
• 6:52
  Like,
• 6:52
  those
• 6:52
  kind
• 6:53
  of
• 6:53
  things
• 6:53
  are
• 6:53
  still
• 6:53
  happening.
• 6:55
  So
• 6:55
  that's
• 6:55
  why
• 6:55
  I
• 6:55
  think
• 6:56
  it
• 6:57
  matters
• 6:57
  and
• 6:57
  why
• 6:57
  all
• 6:58
  reading
• 6:58
  counts
• 6:58
  and
• 6:58
  why
• 6:58
  I
• 6:59
  include
• 6:59
  audiobooks
• 6:59
  is
• 7:00
  you're
• 7:00
  still
• 7:01
  doing
• 7:01
  that,
• 7:01
  like,
• 7:01
  cognitively,
• 7:02
  it
• 7:02
  show.
• 7:03
  And
• 7:03
  there
• 7:03
  are
• 7:03
  studies
• 7:03
  that
• 7:04
  specifically
• 7:04
  show
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  health
• 7:05
  of
• 7:06
  audiobooks
• 7:06
  compared
• 7:07
  to
• 7:07
  other
• 7:07
  books.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:08
  there
• 7:08
  are
• 7:08
  some
• 7:08
  differences,
• 7:09
  but
• 7:09
  for
• 7:09
  the
• 7:09
  most
• 7:10
  part,
• 7:10
  you
• 7:10
  get
• 7:10
  all
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  the
• 7:11
  same
• 7:11
  benefits.
• 7:12
  So
• 7:12
  that's
• 7:12
  a
• 7:13
  reason.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:13
  then
• 7:13
  another
• 7:13
  reason
• 7:14
  is
• 7:14
  I
• 7:15
  care
• 7:15
  a
• 7:15
  lot
• 7:15
  about
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  disabled
• 7:16
  community.
• 7:16
  For
• 7:16
  me,
• 7:16
  that's
• 7:17
  one
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  my
• 7:17
  passions.
• 7:17
  I
• 7:18
  just
• 7:18
  care
• 7:18
  about
• 7:18
  that.
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  know
• 7:19
  a
• 7:19
  lot
• 7:19
  of
• 7:19
  people
• 7:20
  who
• 7:20
  are
• 7:21
  blind
• 7:21
  get
• 7:22
  really
• 7:22
  offended
• 7:22
  when
• 7:22
  you
• 7:23
  say,
• 7:23
  well,
• 7:23
  they
• 7:23
  basically
• 7:24
  can't
• 7:24
  read,
• 7:24
  you
• 7:24
  know,
• 7:24
  either.
• 7:25
  It's
• 7:25
  either
• 7:25
  braille
• 7:26
  or
• 7:26
  nothing.
• 7:26
  And
• 7:26
  for
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  lot
• 7:27
  of
• 7:27
  them,
• 7:27
  audiobooks
• 7:28
  is
• 7:28
  their
• 7:28
  only
• 7:28
  way
• 7:28
  to
• 7:28
  read.
• 7:30
  So
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  discount
• 7:30
  that,
• 7:30
  I
• 7:31
  feel
• 7:31
  like
• 7:31
  does
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  disservice
• 7:32
  as
• 7:32
  well
• 7:32
  in
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  way.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:34
  that's
• 7:34
  where
• 7:34
  I'm
• 7:34
  like,
• 7:34
  yeah,
• 7:34
  no,
• 7:35
  this
• 7:35
  absolutely
• 7:35
  counts.
• 7:36
  Has
• 7:36
  all
• 7:37
  of
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  benefits.
• 7:38
  And
• 7:38
  it's
• 7:38
  just
• 7:39
  fun.
• 7:39
  Like,
• 7:39
  audiobooks
• 7:40
  are
• 7:40
  fun.
• 7:41
  I
• 7:42
  can
• 7:42
  multitask.
• 7:43
  And,
• 7:43
  you
• 7:44
  know,
• 7:44
  if
• 7:44
  we're
• 7:44
  all
• 7:45
  fortunate
• 7:45
  enough
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  live
• 7:45
  long
• 7:46
  enough,
• 7:46
  we're
• 7:46
  probably
• 7:46
  all
• 7:46
  gonna
• 7:46
  be
• 7:47
  a
• 7:47
  place
• 7:47
  where
• 7:47
  an
• 7:47
  audiobook
• 7:48
  might
• 7:48
  be
• 7:48
  an
• 7:48
  easier
• 7:48
  thing
• 7:48
  to
• 7:49
  deal
• 7:49
  with
• 7:49
  than
• 7:50
  a
• 7:50
  written
• 7:50
  book.
• 7:51
  Yeah,
• 7:51
  yeah,
• 7:52
  yeah.
• 7:52
  That's
• 7:53
  for
• 7:53
  sure.
• 7:54
  Well,
• 7:54
  plus,
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  mean,
• 7:54
  like,
• 7:54
  audiobooks,
• 7:55
  like,
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  could
• 7:55
  do
• 7:55
  it
• 7:55
  in
• 7:56
  your
• 7:56
  car,
• 7:56
  right?
• 7:56
  Or,
• 7:57
  like,
• 7:57
  I'm
• 7:57
  working
• 7:58
  and,
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  know,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  work
• 7:59
  with
• 7:59
  food,
• 7:59
  so
• 7:59
  I'm,
• 8:00
  like,
• 8:00
  cutting
• 8:00
  up
• 8:00
  vegetables
• 8:01
  and
• 8:01
  stuff.
• 8:01
  And
• 8:01
  it's
• 8:01
  like,
• 8:01
  if
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  just
• 8:02
  have,
• 8:03
  like,
• 8:03
  a
• 8:03
  earbud
• 8:04
  in,
• 8:04
  I'm
• 8:04
  able
• 8:04
  to,
• 8:04
  like,
• 8:05
  consume
• 8:05
  media
• 8:06
  without
• 8:06
  having
• 8:06
  to,
• 8:06
  like,
• 8:07
  pause
• 8:07
  my
• 8:07
  life.
• 8:08
  And
• 8:08
  yes,
• 8:08
  I
• 8:08
  would
• 8:08
  love
• 8:08
  to
• 8:09
  just
• 8:09
  be
• 8:09
  able
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  stop
• 8:10
  everything
• 8:10
  I'm
• 8:11
  doing
• 8:11
  and
• 8:11
  read
• 8:11
  a
• 8:11
  book
• 8:12
  that's
• 8:12
  not
• 8:13
  my
• 8:13
  life
• 8:13
  right
• 8:13
  now.
• 8:14
  So,
• 8:14
  like,
• 8:15
  that's
• 8:15
  helpful
• 8:15
  for
• 8:16
  me.
• 8:17
  Now,
• 8:18
  I
• 8:18
  do
• 8:18
  want
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  posit
• 8:19
  to
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  because
• 8:19
  we
• 8:19
  imagine.
• 8:19
  We
• 8:19
  mentioned
• 8:20
  some
• 8:20
  of,
• 8:20
  like,
• 8:20
  the
• 8:21
  stuff
• 8:21
  that
• 8:21
  helps
• 8:21
  with
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  cognitive
• 8:22
  abilities
• 8:22
  and,
• 8:22
  like,
• 8:23
  how
• 8:23
  reading
• 8:23
  helps
• 8:23
  your
• 8:23
  imagination
• 8:24
  kind
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  stuff.
• 8:25
  Do.
• 8:26
  Are
• 8:26
  you
• 8:26
  in
• 8:26
  favor
• 8:27
  of,
• 8:28
  like,
• 8:28
  when
• 8:28
  they
• 8:28
  do
• 8:28
  voices
• 8:29
  or,
• 8:29
  like,
• 8:30
  music
• 8:30
  with
• 8:30
  an
• 8:30
  audiobook?
• 8:31
  Like,
• 8:31
  sometimes
• 8:31
  they'll
• 8:31
  do
• 8:31
  themes
• 8:32
  or,
• 8:32
  like,
• 8:33
  they'll
• 8:33
  do,
• 8:33
  like,
• 8:33
  character
• 8:34
  acting
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  little
• 8:34
  bit.
• 8:35
  Are
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  in
• 8:35
  favor
• 8:35
  of
• 8:36
  that
• 8:36
  or
• 8:36
  do
• 8:36
  you
• 8:36
  just
• 8:36
  want
• 8:36
  the
• 8:37
  book?
• 8:37
  Yeah,
• 8:37
  I
• 8:37
  think
• 8:38
  it
• 8:38
  depends
• 8:38
  on
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  book,
• 8:39
  you
• 8:40
  know,
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  oftentimes
• 8:41
  when
• 8:41
  they're
• 8:41
  doing
• 8:41
  that
• 8:41
  sort
• 8:41
  of
• 8:41
  thing,
• 8:42
  it's
• 8:42
  fiction
• 8:43
  and
• 8:43
  it
• 8:43
  fits
• 8:43
  better
• 8:44
  anyway.
• 8:44
  Like,
• 8:44
  I
• 8:44
  wouldn't
• 8:44
  want
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  dramatic
• 8:45
  reading
• 8:46
  of,
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  know,
• 8:47
  the
• 8:47
  latest
• 8:48
  nonfiction
• 8:49
  popular
• 8:49
  science
• 8:49
  book
• 8:49
  or
• 8:50
  something
• 8:50
  like
• 8:50
  that.
• 8:50
  Might
• 8:50
  not
• 8:51
  go
• 8:51
  over
• 8:51
  as
• 8:52
  well,
• 8:52
  but
• 8:53
  sure.
• 8:53
  I
• 8:53
  mean,
• 8:53
  you
• 8:53
  know,
• 8:54
  and
• 8:55
  you
• 8:55
  put
• 8:55
  that
• 8:56
  in
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  notes.
• 8:56
  And
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  was
• 8:56
  kind
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  thinking,
• 8:57
  because
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  tend
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  think
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  those
• 8:58
  as,
• 8:58
  like,
• 8:58
  they're
• 8:59
  almost
• 8:59
  more
• 8:59
  like
• 8:59
  radio
• 8:59
  dramas
• 9:01
  a
• 9:01
  lot
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  times,
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  way
• 9:02
  that
• 9:02
  they're
• 9:02
  done.
• 9:02
  Yeah.
• 9:03
  And
• 9:04
  so
• 9:04
  to
• 9:04
  me,
• 9:04
  that's
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  little
• 9:05
  bit
• 9:05
  of
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  different
• 9:05
  category
• 9:05
  thing,
• 9:06
  which
• 9:06
  is
• 9:06
  equally
• 9:06
  interesting.
• 9:07
  But,
• 9:07
  yeah,
• 9:07
  it
• 9:07
  kind
• 9:07
  of
• 9:08
  depends
• 9:08
  on
• 9:08
  what
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  story
• 9:09
  is
• 9:09
  and
• 9:10
  how,
• 9:10
  you
• 9:10
  know,
• 9:10
  if
• 9:10
  it's
• 9:10
  well
• 9:11
  done.
• 9:11
  But,
• 9:11
  yeah,
• 9:11
  I
• 9:11
  don't
• 9:11
  have
• 9:11
  any
• 9:12
  objection.
• 9:12
  You
• 9:12
  know,
• 9:13
  I've
• 9:13
  enjoyed
• 9:14
  various
• 9:15
  kinds
• 9:15
  of
• 9:15
  radio
• 9:16
  dramas
• 9:16
  and
• 9:16
  various.
• 9:17
  You
• 9:17
  know,
• 9:17
  there's
• 9:18
  kind
• 9:18
  of
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  whole
• 9:18
  spectrum
• 9:19
  from
• 9:19
  just,
• 9:19
  you
• 9:19
  know,
• 9:19
  person
• 9:20
  reading
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  book
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  person
• 9:21
  really
• 9:21
  kind
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  putting
• 9:21
  different
• 9:21
  voices
• 9:22
  and
• 9:23
  accents
• 9:24
  and
• 9:24
  different
• 9:24
  things
• 9:24
  on
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  different
• 9:25
  characters
• 9:25
  to
• 9:25
  the
• 9:25
  full
• 9:26
  out.
• 9:26
  Like,
• 9:26
  we're
• 9:26
  gonna
• 9:26
  get
• 9:26
  a
• 9:27
  whole
• 9:27
  cast
• 9:27
  of
• 9:27
  people
• 9:27
  to
• 9:28
  play
• 9:28
  different
• 9:28
  parts
• 9:28
  and
• 9:29
  to
• 9:29
  fold
• 9:29
  the
• 9:29
  artist
• 9:29
  and,
• 9:30
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:31
  score
• 9:31
  or
• 9:31
  some
• 9:32
  kind
• 9:32
  of
• 9:32
  music
• 9:32
  or
• 9:32
  something.
• 9:32
  Yeah,
• 9:33
  yeah,
• 9:33
  yeah.
• 9:33
  It's
• 9:34
  definitely
• 9:34
  like,
• 9:34
  a
• 9:35
  spectrum.
• 9:35
  I
• 9:36
  like
• 9:36
  where
• 9:36
  this
• 9:36
  book's
• 9:37
  at,
• 9:37
  where,
• 9:37
  like,
• 9:37
  the.
• 9:38
  The
• 9:38
  reader
• 9:38
  does
• 9:38
  a
• 9:38
  different
• 9:39
  voice
• 9:39
  when
• 9:39
  he's
• 9:39
  reading
• 9:40
  Batman's
• 9:40
  voice
• 9:40
  or,
• 9:40
  like,
• 9:41
  Joker,
• 9:41
  you
• 9:41
  know,
• 9:41
  whatever.
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  also.
• 9:43
  There's.
• 9:44
  There's
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  version
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  the
• 9:45
  Hobbit.
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  don't
• 9:45
  remember
• 9:45
  who
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  narrator
• 9:46
  was
• 9:46
  that
• 9:46
  I
• 9:47
  really
• 9:47
  enjoyed,
• 9:47
  where
• 9:47
  he
• 9:47
  does
• 9:48
  different
• 9:48
  voices
• 9:48
  for
• 9:48
  the
• 9:48
  characters
• 9:49
  and
• 9:49
  they
• 9:49
  include
• 9:49
  some
• 9:50
  themes,
• 9:50
  but
• 9:50
  it's
• 9:50
  not
• 9:50
  like,
• 9:51
  music
• 9:51
  playing
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  whole
• 9:51
  time
• 9:52
  and
• 9:52
  a
• 9:52
  whole
• 9:52
  cast.
• 9:54
  I
• 9:54
  really.
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  don't
• 9:55
  like
• 9:55
  when
• 9:56
  it's
• 9:56
  just
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  voice.
• 9:56
  If
• 9:57
  it's
• 9:57
  a
• 9:57
  story
• 9:57
  for
• 9:57
  some
• 9:57
  reason,
• 9:58
  like,
• 9:58
  if
• 9:58
  you're
• 9:58
  just
• 9:58
  monotone,
• 9:59
  read
• 9:59
  through
• 10:00
  a
• 10:00
  story,
• 10:00
  I'm
• 10:00
  like,
• 10:00
  no,
• 10:01
  that
• 10:01
  puts
• 10:01
  me
• 10:01
  to
• 10:01
  sleep.
• 10:02
  But
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  read
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  lot
• 10:05
  of
• 10:05
  theology
• 10:05
  books,
• 10:06
  and
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  obviously
• 10:07
  don't
• 10:07
  want,
• 10:07
  like,
• 10:08
  voice
• 10:08
  acting
• 10:08
  and
• 10:08
  stuff
• 10:09
  in
• 10:09
  there.
• 10:09
  Right.
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  found
• 10:10
  for
• 10:11
  me,
• 10:11
  when
• 10:11
  it
• 10:11
  comes
• 10:12
  to,
• 10:12
  like,
• 10:12
  theology
• 10:12
  books
• 10:12
  or
• 10:12
  stuff
• 10:13
  like
• 10:13
  that,
• 10:13
  or
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  even
• 10:14
  do,
• 10:14
  like,
• 10:14
  some
• 10:14
  of
• 10:15
  my
• 10:15
  homework,
• 10:15
  I
• 10:15
  just
• 10:15
  listen
• 10:15
  to
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  audiobook,
• 10:16
  don't
• 10:16
  tell
• 10:16
  my
• 10:17
  teachers.
• 10:17
  But
• 10:19
  I
• 10:20
  find
• 10:20
  that
• 10:20
  it's
• 10:20
  helpful
• 10:21
  if
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  author
• 10:22
  of
• 10:22
  the
• 10:22
  book
• 10:22
  is
• 10:22
  the
• 10:22
  one
• 10:23
  reading
• 10:23
  it,
• 10:23
  because
• 10:23
  sometimes,
• 10:23
  like,
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  way
• 10:24
  you
• 10:24
  do
• 10:24
  certain
• 10:25
  inflections
• 10:25
  or
• 10:25
  stuff
• 10:25
  in
• 10:26
  your
• 10:26
  voice,
• 10:26
  I'm
• 10:26
  like,
• 10:26
  okay,
• 10:27
  this
• 10:27
  is
• 10:27
  important.
• 10:28
  Or
• 10:28
  that's
• 10:28
  what
• 10:28
  he
• 10:29
  means
• 10:29
  by
• 10:29
  that
• 10:29
  sentence.
• 10:29
  Whereas
• 10:30
  if
• 10:30
  someone
• 10:30
  reads
• 10:30
  it
• 10:30
  monotone,
• 10:31
  it's
• 10:32
  different
• 10:32
  than,
• 10:32
  like,
• 10:32
  reading
• 10:33
  it
• 10:33
  for
• 10:33
  yourself.
• 10:33
  Sometimes
• 10:33
  if
• 10:34
  someone
• 10:34
  else
• 10:34
  is
• 10:34
  reading
• 10:34
  it,
• 10:35
  like,
• 10:35
  the
• 10:35
  way
• 10:35
  they
• 10:36
  put
• 10:36
  emphasis
• 10:37
  on
• 10:37
  certain
• 10:37
  words
• 10:37
  other
• 10:37
  than
• 10:38
  other
• 10:38
  words,
• 10:38
  change
• 10:39
  that
• 10:39
  meaning
• 10:39
  of
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  sentence,
• 10:40
  and
• 10:40
  you're
• 10:40
  like,
• 10:41
  okay,
• 10:41
  does
• 10:42
  it
• 10:42
  actually
• 10:42
  mean
• 10:42
  that?
• 10:43
  Or.
• 10:43
  So
• 10:43
  it's
• 10:43
  helpful
• 10:44
  when
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  think
• 10:44
  the
• 10:44
  author
• 10:45
  themselves
• 10:45
  sometimes
• 10:46
  does
• 10:46
  it.
• 10:47
  What
• 10:47
  do
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  think?
• 10:48
  Yeah,
• 10:49
  there
• 10:50
  are
• 10:50
  definitely
• 10:50
  certain
• 10:50
  kinds
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  books
• 10:51
  where
• 10:51
  having
• 10:52
  the
• 10:52
  author
• 10:52
  read
• 10:53
  it,
• 10:53
  you
• 10:53
  know,
• 10:53
  their
• 10:53
  memoirs
• 10:53
  and
• 10:54
  things
• 10:54
  like
• 10:54
  that,
• 10:54
  or
• 10:55
  it's
• 10:55
  really
• 10:55
  cool
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  hear
• 10:56
  from
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  actual
• 10:57
  person
• 10:57
  who
• 10:57
  wrote
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  book.
• 10:59
  And
• 11:00
  you'll
• 11:00
  sometimes
• 11:00
  get
• 11:01
  some
• 11:01
  additional
• 11:02
  sort
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  commentary
• 11:03
  or
• 11:03
  even
• 11:04
  just
• 11:04
  that
• 11:04
  emotional
• 11:04
  color
• 11:05
  of,
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  know,
• 11:06
  this
• 11:06
  was
• 11:06
  something
• 11:06
  challenging
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  write
• 11:07
  about
• 11:07
  because
• 11:07
  it
• 11:08
  was
• 11:08
  a
• 11:08
  difficult
• 11:08
  time
• 11:08
  in
• 11:08
  my
• 11:09
  life,
• 11:09
  or
• 11:09
  it
• 11:10
  was
• 11:10
  a
• 11:10
  really
• 11:10
  exciting
• 11:10
  time
• 11:10
  in
• 11:11
  my
• 11:11
  life.
• 11:11
  And,
• 11:11
  you
• 11:11
  know,
• 11:11
  it's
• 11:12
  fun
• 11:12
  and
• 11:12
  joyful
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  relive
• 11:14
  that.
• 11:15
  And
• 11:15
  that
• 11:15
  comes
• 11:15
  across
• 11:16
  more
• 11:17
  clearly
• 11:18
  if
• 11:18
  it's
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  person
• 11:18
  who
• 11:18
  actually
• 11:18
  had
• 11:19
  those
• 11:19
  experiences.
• 11:20
  And,
• 11:21
  yeah,
• 11:21
  I
• 11:21
  think
• 11:21
  it
• 11:21
  works
• 11:21
  well
• 11:21
  for
• 11:22
  nonfiction,
• 11:22
  too.
• 11:23
  Obviously,
• 11:23
  there
• 11:23
  are
• 11:23
  some
• 11:23
  folks
• 11:24
  who
• 11:24
  are
• 11:24
  better
• 11:25
  than
• 11:25
  others
• 11:25
  at
• 11:26
  reading
• 11:26
  their
• 11:26
  own
• 11:26
  books
• 11:27
  and
• 11:27
  doing
• 11:27
  audiobooks.
• 11:28
  Right.
• 11:29
  Just
• 11:29
  like
• 11:29
  everybody.
• 11:30
  Not
• 11:30
  every
• 11:31
  scholar
• 11:31
  is
• 11:31
  a
• 11:31
  good
• 11:32
  author
• 11:33
  to
• 11:33
  a
• 11:33
  general
• 11:33
  audience.
• 11:34
  Not
• 11:34
  every
• 11:34
  scholar
• 11:35
  is
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  good
• 11:35
  reader
• 11:35
  of
• 11:36
  their
• 11:36
  own
• 11:36
  audiobook,
• 11:36
  but
• 11:36
  there
• 11:37
  are
• 11:37
  definitely
• 11:37
  people
• 11:37
  that
• 11:38
  do
• 11:38
  it
• 11:38
  well.
• 11:38
  And,
• 11:39
  yeah,
• 11:39
  I
• 11:39
  think
• 11:40
  it
• 11:40
  helps
• 11:40
  to
• 11:41
  kind
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  get
• 11:41
  that
• 11:42
  more
• 11:43
  direct
• 11:43
  line
• 11:44
  to
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  person
• 11:45
  whose
• 11:45
  ideas
• 11:45
  you're
• 11:46
  engaging
• 11:46
  with.
• 11:46
  Yeah.
• 11:47
  Yeah.
• 11:48
  So
• 11:48
  a
• 11:48
  little
• 11:48
  bit
• 11:48
  of
• 11:48
  a
• 11:48
  weird
• 11:49
  example
• 11:50
  thought
• 11:50
  with
• 11:50
  this.
• 11:50
  And
• 11:50
  then
• 11:50
  we're
• 11:51
  going
• 11:51
  to
• 11:51
  move
• 11:51
  on
• 11:51
  to
• 11:51
  today's
• 11:52
  actual
• 11:52
  book
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  while
• 11:55
  back.
• 11:55
  And
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  still
• 11:56
  listen
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  this
• 11:56
  sometimes
• 11:57
  because
• 11:58
  my
• 11:58
  views
• 11:59
  on
• 11:59
  inerrancy,
• 12:00
  biblical
• 12:00
  inerrancy,
• 12:00
  has
• 12:00
  changed
• 12:01
  a
• 12:01
  lot
• 12:01
  over
• 12:01
  the
• 12:02
  years.
• 12:03
  But
• 12:04
  there's
• 12:04
  a
• 12:04
  book
• 12:04
  that's
• 12:04
  the
• 12:05
  Four
• 12:05
  Views
• 12:06
  of
• 12:06
  Inerrancy,
• 12:06
  something
• 12:07
  like
• 12:07
  that.
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  might
• 12:08
  put
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  link
• 12:08
  in
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  show
• 12:08
  notes,
• 12:09
  I
• 12:09
  might
• 12:09
  not.
• 12:09
  We'll
• 12:09
  see.
• 12:11
  But
• 12:11
  it
• 12:11
  includes
• 12:12
  four
• 12:12
  different
• 12:12
  authors
• 12:13
  for
• 12:13
  four
• 12:13
  different
• 12:13
  perspectives
• 12:14
  on
• 12:14
  inerrancy.
• 12:15
  One
• 12:15
  is
• 12:15
  Al
• 12:15
  Mohler,
• 12:16
  one
• 12:16
  is
• 12:16
  Pete
• 12:17
  Inns.
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  don't
• 12:17
  remember
• 12:17
  the
• 12:18
  other
• 12:18
  two,
• 12:18
  but
• 12:18
  both
• 12:19
  of
• 12:19
  them
• 12:19
  are
• 12:19
  podcasters,
• 12:20
  so
• 12:20
  they
• 12:20
  have
• 12:20
  the
• 12:21
  nice
• 12:21
  mic
• 12:21
  and
• 12:21
  everything
• 12:22
  already.
• 12:22
  And
• 12:23
  you
• 12:23
  could
• 12:23
  really
• 12:23
  tell
• 12:23
  when
• 12:23
  you
• 12:23
  go
• 12:24
  through
• 12:24
  this,
• 12:24
  they're
• 12:24
  presenting
• 12:25
  their
• 12:25
  view
• 12:25
  and
• 12:25
  you're
• 12:25
  like,
• 12:25
  I
• 12:26
  can
• 12:26
  tell
• 12:26
  that
• 12:26
  this
• 12:26
  is
• 12:26
  someone
• 12:26
  who
• 12:27
  actually
• 12:27
  knows
• 12:28
  how
• 12:28
  to
• 12:28
  use
• 12:28
  a
• 12:28
  mic,
• 12:28
  who
• 12:28
  knows
• 12:29
  how
• 12:29
  to
• 12:29
  speak
• 12:30
  well
• 12:30
  for
• 12:30
  this
• 12:30
  kind
• 12:31
  of
• 12:31
  thing.
• 12:32
  And
• 12:32
  it's
• 12:33
  fun
• 12:33
  kind
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  hearing
• 12:33
  their
• 12:34
  engage
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  one
• 12:35
  another's
• 12:36
  arguments
• 12:36
  back
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  forth.
• 12:37
  Then
• 12:37
  I
• 12:37
  got
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  physical
• 12:37
  book
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  I
• 12:38
  read
• 12:38
  it
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  I'm
• 12:38
  like,
• 12:38
  it's
• 12:39
  just
• 12:39
  better
• 12:39
  as
• 12:39
  an
• 12:40
  audiobook
• 12:40
  for
• 12:40
  that
• 12:40
  one.
• 12:41
  So
• 12:42
  I
• 12:43
  don't
• 12:43
  know
• 12:43
  if
• 12:43
  that
• 12:43
  says
• 12:43
  anything
• 12:44
  or
• 12:44
  that
• 12:44
  just
• 12:44
  says
• 12:45
  something
• 12:45
  about.
• 12:45
  Me,
• 12:46
  but
• 12:47
  no,
• 12:47
  I
• 12:47
  think
• 12:48
  there
• 12:48
  are
• 12:48
  definitely
• 12:48
  some
• 12:48
  things
• 12:48
  that
• 12:49
  work
• 12:49
  better
• 12:49
  that
• 12:49
  way.
• 12:51
  John
• 12:51
  Hodgman
• 12:52
  wrote
• 12:53
  three.
• 12:53
  Three
• 12:53
  books,
• 12:54
  a
• 12:54
  series
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  three
• 12:54
  books
• 12:54
  that
• 12:55
  are
• 12:55
  just
• 12:55
  like
• 12:55
  made
• 12:55
  up
• 12:56
  facts
• 12:56
  for
• 12:57
  comedy
• 12:57
  purposes.
• 12:58
  And
• 13:00
  because
• 13:00
  it's
• 13:00
  kind
• 13:00
  of
• 13:01
  nonsense,
• 13:01
  they're
• 13:02
  not
• 13:02
  really
• 13:02
  the
• 13:02
  kind
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  thing
• 13:02
  you
• 13:03
  want
• 13:03
  to
• 13:03
  sit
• 13:03
  down
• 13:03
  and
• 13:03
  read.
• 13:04
  But
• 13:04
  to
• 13:05
  listen
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  him
• 13:05
  and
• 13:06
  to
• 13:06
  listen
• 13:06
  to
• 13:06
  the,
• 13:06
  you
• 13:06
  know,
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  additional
• 13:07
  commentary
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  he
• 13:08
  adds.
• 13:08
  And
• 13:08
  he
• 13:08
  brings
• 13:08
  in
• 13:08
  his
• 13:08
  friend
• 13:09
  Jonathan
• 13:09
  Colton
• 13:09
  to
• 13:10
  play
• 13:10
  some
• 13:10
  songs
• 13:10
  and
• 13:10
  they
• 13:10
  have
• 13:11
  back
• 13:11
  and
• 13:11
  forth
• 13:11
  banter.
• 13:12
  And
• 13:12
  yeah,
• 13:13
  that's
• 13:13
  a
• 13:13
  real
• 13:13
  dimension
• 13:14
  to
• 13:14
  a
• 13:14
  book
• 13:14
  that's
• 13:15
  otherwise,
• 13:15
  you
• 13:15
  know,
• 13:16
  silly
• 13:16
  and
• 13:16
  funny,
• 13:16
  but
• 13:16
  a
• 13:17
  little
• 13:17
  bit
• 13:17
  kind
• 13:17
  of
• 13:18
  nothing
• 13:19
  and
• 13:20
  so
• 13:20
  slight
• 13:21
  rather.
• 13:21
  And
• 13:22
  yeah,
• 13:22
  so
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  appreciated
• 13:24
  that,
• 13:24
  you
• 13:24
  know.
• 13:25
  Yeah,
• 13:25
  there
• 13:26
  are
• 13:26
  definitely
• 13:26
  things
• 13:26
  that
• 13:26
  work
• 13:27
  better
• 13:27
  in
• 13:27
  that
• 13:27
  format.
• 13:28
  Yeah,
• 13:28
  yeah,
• 13:29
  for
• 13:29
  sure,
• 13:29
  for
• 13:29
  sure.
• 13:30
  So,
• 13:30
  speaking
• 13:30
  of
• 13:30
  which,
• 13:31
  today
• 13:32
  we
• 13:32
  are
• 13:32
  talking
• 13:32
  about
• 13:33
  an
• 13:33
  audiobook,
• 13:34
  Batman
• 13:34
  Resurrection.
• 13:37
  So
• 13:37
  I'm
• 13:37
  gonna
• 13:38
  do
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  disclaimer
• 13:38
  and
• 13:38
  I'm
• 13:39
  gonna
• 13:39
  let
• 13:39
  you
• 13:39
  answer
• 13:40
  this
• 13:40
  question
• 13:40
  first.
• 13:40
  But
• 13:41
  first
• 13:42
  part
• 13:42
  is
• 13:42
  we
• 13:43
  were
• 13:43
  gonna
• 13:43
  discuss
• 13:43
  why
• 13:43
  we
• 13:44
  chose
• 13:44
  this
• 13:44
  book.
• 13:44
  We
• 13:44
  had
• 13:44
  like
• 13:45
  a
• 13:45
  series
• 13:45
  of
• 13:45
  different
• 13:45
  books
• 13:46
  we
• 13:46
  put
• 13:46
  on
• 13:46
  Patreon
• 13:47
  and
• 13:47
  we
• 13:47
  let
• 13:47
  our
• 13:47
  patrons
• 13:48
  decide
• 13:49
  which
• 13:49
  book
• 13:50
  they
• 13:50
  wanted
• 13:51
  us
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  review
• 13:51
  most
• 13:51
  for
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  main
• 13:52
  feed.
• 13:52
  And
• 13:52
  that's
• 13:53
  why
• 13:53
  you
• 13:53
  guys
• 13:53
  are
• 13:53
  listening
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  this
• 13:53
  right
• 13:54
  now,
• 13:54
  because
• 13:54
  they
• 13:54
  voted
• 13:54
  for
• 13:55
  this
• 13:55
  one.
• 13:55
  We
• 13:56
  had
• 13:56
  a
• 13:56
  few
• 13:56
  different
• 13:56
  ones
• 13:56
  on
• 13:57
  there.
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  don't
• 13:57
  remember
• 13:57
  all
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  them,
• 13:59
  but
• 14:00
  if
• 14:00
  you
• 14:00
  guys
• 14:00
  want
• 14:01
  your
• 14:01
  own
• 14:01
  say
• 14:01
  in
• 14:01
  future
• 14:02
  topics,
• 14:02
  when
• 14:02
  it
• 14:02
  comes
• 14:03
  to
• 14:03
  all
• 14:03
  reading
• 14:03
  counts,
• 14:04
  that's
• 14:04
  what
• 14:04
  we
• 14:04
  usually
• 14:04
  do.
• 14:05
  We
• 14:05
  usually
• 14:05
  ask
• 14:05
  our
• 14:05
  patrons
• 14:06
  to
• 14:06
  choose
• 14:06
  one
• 14:07
  out
• 14:07
  of
• 14:07
  a
• 14:07
  list
• 14:08
  and
• 14:08
  we
• 14:08
  roll
• 14:08
  with
• 14:08
  what
• 14:09
  they
• 14:09
  say.
• 14:10
  So
• 14:10
  if
• 14:10
  you
• 14:10
  want
• 14:10
  to
• 14:10
  say
• 14:10
  in
• 14:11
  the
• 14:11
  episodes,
• 14:11
  you
• 14:11
  guys
• 14:12
  can
• 14:12
  go
• 14:12
  over
• 14:12
  there.
• 14:13
  Andy,
• 14:14
  this
• 14:14
  is
• 14:14
  actually
• 14:14
  one
• 14:14
  that
• 14:15
  you
• 14:15
  recommended
• 14:15
  that
• 14:15
  they
• 14:16
  voted
• 14:16
  on.
• 14:16
  Could
• 14:17
  you
• 14:17
  kind
• 14:17
  of
• 14:17
  break
• 14:17
  down,
• 14:17
  like
• 14:18
  why
• 14:18
  you
• 14:18
  chose
• 14:18
  this
• 14:19
  book
• 14:19
  and
• 14:20
  maybe
• 14:20
  what
• 14:20
  were
• 14:20
  your
• 14:21
  thoughts
• 14:21
  going
• 14:21
  in?
• 14:21
  And
• 14:21
  then
• 14:21
  I'll
• 14:21
  discuss
• 14:22
  some
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  my
• 14:22
  thoughts
• 14:22
  going
• 14:22
  into
• 14:23
  reading
• 14:23
  this
• 14:23
  as
• 14:23
  well.
• 14:24
  Sure.
• 14:25
  So,
• 14:25
  you
• 14:26
  know,
• 14:26
  I
• 14:26
  started
• 14:26
  to
• 14:27
  just
• 14:27
  compile
• 14:27
  this
• 14:28
  because
• 14:28
  I
• 14:29
  don't
• 14:29
  listen
• 14:29
  to
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  lot
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  audiobooks
• 14:30
  or
• 14:31
  it's
• 14:31
  not
• 14:31
  kind
• 14:31
  of
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  first
• 14:31
  thing
• 14:31
  that
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  go
• 14:32
  to.
• 14:32
  While
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  have
• 14:33
  enjoyed
• 14:33
  some.
• 14:35
  It's
• 14:35
  not
• 14:35
  a
• 14:35
  thing
• 14:36
  I'm
• 14:36
  regularly
• 14:36
  engaging
• 14:36
  with.
• 14:37
  It
• 14:37
  kind
• 14:37
  of
• 14:37
  comes
• 14:37
  and
• 14:37
  goes
• 14:38
  and
• 14:38
  so
• 14:39
  I
• 14:39
  didn't
• 14:39
  know
• 14:39
  where
• 14:39
  to
• 14:40
  start.
• 14:40
  So
• 14:40
  I
• 14:40
  just
• 14:40
  kind
• 14:40
  of
• 14:40
  looked
• 14:40
  at
• 14:41
  a
• 14:41
  list
• 14:41
  of
• 14:42
  audiobooks
• 14:43
  that
• 14:43
  were
• 14:43
  available
• 14:43
  from
• 14:43
  my
• 14:44
  local
• 14:44
  library
• 14:45
  and
• 14:46
  then
• 14:46
  what
• 14:46
  was
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  intersection
• 14:47
  of
• 14:47
  that
• 14:48
  and
• 14:48
  things
• 14:48
  that
• 14:48
  had
• 14:49
  come
• 14:49
  out
• 14:49
  recently
• 14:50
  and
• 14:50
  things
• 14:50
  that
• 14:50
  I
• 14:51
  thought
• 14:51
  would
• 14:51
  be
• 14:51
  interesting
• 14:51
  that
• 14:52
  I
• 14:52
  wanted
• 14:52
  to
• 14:52
  read.
• 14:53
  And
• 14:53
  this,
• 14:54
  this
• 14:54
  is
• 14:54
  one
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  them.
• 14:55
  I
• 14:55
  was
• 14:55
  intrigued
• 14:56
  by
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  idea
• 14:57
  of
• 14:57
  revisiting
• 14:59
  the
• 15:00
  continuity
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  Tim
• 15:01
  Burton
• 15:02
  Batman
• 15:02
  movies
• 15:03
  and
• 15:03
  trying
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  fill
• 15:03
  in
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  gaps
• 15:05
  there.
• 15:05
  Didn't
• 15:05
  really
• 15:06
  know
• 15:06
  what
• 15:06
  to
• 15:06
  expect
• 15:06
  from
• 15:07
  that.
• 15:07
  Haven't
• 15:08
  read
• 15:08
  anything
• 15:08
  else
• 15:09
  by
• 15:09
  this
• 15:09
  author.
• 15:10
  Don't
• 15:11
  think
• 15:11
  I've
• 15:11
  ever
• 15:11
  read
• 15:12
  another
• 15:12
  like
• 15:12
  Batman
• 15:13
  novelization.
• 15:14
  And
• 15:14
  so
• 15:14
  I
• 15:15
  was
• 15:15
  just
• 15:15
  kind
• 15:15
  of
• 15:15
  curious
• 15:16
  what
• 15:16
  it
• 15:16
  would
• 15:16
  be
• 15:16
  like,
• 15:17
  how
• 15:17
  it
• 15:18
  would
• 15:18
  be
• 15:18
  to
• 15:18
  engage
• 15:19
  with
• 15:19
  a
• 15:19
  Batman
• 15:19
  story
• 15:20
  that
• 15:20
  didn't
• 15:20
  have
• 15:21
  either
• 15:21
  moving
• 15:22
  or
• 15:22
  still
• 15:22
  pictures
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  go
• 15:23
  along
• 15:23
  with
• 15:23
  it.
• 15:24
  And
• 15:25
  yeah,
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  you
• 15:26
  know,
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  haven't
• 15:27
  a
• 15:27
  movie
• 15:28
  I
• 15:28
  saw
• 15:28
  once
• 15:29
  in
• 15:29
  college
• 15:29
  and
• 15:30
  haven't.
• 15:30
  I
• 15:30
  hadn't
• 15:31
  been
• 15:31
  back
• 15:31
  to.
• 15:31
  And
• 15:32
  so
• 15:32
  it
• 15:32
  was
• 15:32
  also
• 15:32
  just
• 15:32
  kind
• 15:33
  of
• 15:33
  interesting
• 15:33
  to
• 15:34
  revisit
• 15:34
  that
• 15:35
  world
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  kind
• 15:35
  of
• 15:35
  be
• 15:36
  reminded
• 15:36
  of
• 15:37
  what
• 15:37
  it
• 15:37
  was
• 15:37
  like
• 15:38
  and
• 15:38
  what
• 15:38
  I.
• 15:39
  To
• 15:39
  see
• 15:39
  if
• 15:39
  it
• 15:40
  still
• 15:40
  was
• 15:40
  interesting
• 15:41
  20
• 15:41
  some
• 15:42
  odd
• 15:42
  years
• 15:42
  later,
• 15:42
  30
• 15:43
  years
• 15:43
  later.
• 15:44
  Oh,
• 15:44
  man,
• 15:45
  that's
• 15:46
  a.
• 15:46
  That's
• 15:46
  funny.
• 15:47
  I.
• 15:47
  I
• 15:48
  really,
• 15:48
  I
• 15:48
  thought
• 15:49
  that
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  chose
• 15:49
  this
• 15:49
  because
• 15:50
  you're
• 15:50
  just
• 15:50
  like
• 15:50
  maybe
• 15:50
  a
• 15:50
  huge
• 15:51
  Tim
• 15:51
  Burton
• 15:51
  Batman
• 15:51
  because,
• 15:52
  you
• 15:52
  know,
• 15:52
  those
• 15:52
  are
• 15:52
  people
• 15:52
  who
• 15:53
  are
• 15:53
  like
• 15:53
  die
• 15:54
  on
• 15:54
  this
• 15:54
  film
• 15:54
  franchise.
• 15:56
  I
• 15:57
  like
• 15:57
  them
• 15:57
  weirdly
• 15:58
  enough.
• 15:58
  So
• 15:58
  the
• 15:59
  first
• 15:59
  one
• 15:59
  with
• 16:00
  Jack
• 16:00
  Nicholson's
• 16:01
  Joker,
• 16:01
  that
• 16:02
  this
• 16:02
  is
• 16:02
  going
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  end
• 16:02
  up
• 16:03
  being
• 16:03
  kind
• 16:03
  of
• 16:03
  like
• 16:03
  a
• 16:03
  sequel
• 16:03
  to
• 16:04
  this
• 16:04
  story
• 16:04
  that
• 16:04
  we're
• 16:04
  talking
• 16:05
  about
• 16:05
  today.
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  love
• 16:06
  it.
• 16:07
  He
• 16:07
  is
• 16:07
  my
• 16:07
  favorite
• 16:08
  live
• 16:08
  action
• 16:08
  Joker.
• 16:09
  Obviously
• 16:09
  the
• 16:09
  best
• 16:10
  Joker
• 16:10
  is
• 16:10
  Mark
• 16:10
  Hamill.
• 16:11
  I'm
• 16:11
  sorry,
• 16:12
  not
• 16:12
  sorry.
• 16:13
  But
• 16:15
  I
• 16:16
  loved
• 16:16
  his
• 16:16
  Joker.
• 16:16
  I
• 16:16
  loved
• 16:17
  his
• 16:17
  portrayal.
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  loved
• 16:17
  that
• 16:18
  film.
• 16:18
  And
• 16:18
  then
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  other
• 16:18
  films
• 16:19
  end
• 16:19
  up
• 16:19
  getting
• 16:19
  to
• 16:19
  like
• 16:19
  this
• 16:20
  weird,
• 16:20
  cheesy,
• 16:20
  campy,
• 16:21
  fun
• 16:21
  stuff
• 16:22
  that
• 16:22
  I'm
• 16:22
  like,
• 16:22
  I
• 16:23
  loved
• 16:23
  it,
• 16:23
  but
• 16:23
  it
• 16:23
  almost
• 16:24
  just
• 16:24
  doesn't
• 16:24
  match
• 16:24
  the
• 16:25
  vibe
• 16:25
  of
• 16:25
  that
• 16:25
  original
• 16:26
  movie.
• 16:26
  So
• 16:27
  then
• 16:27
  when
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  like
• 16:28
  you
• 16:28
  had
• 16:28
  this
• 16:28
  book
• 16:29
  up
• 16:29
  there,
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  was
• 16:29
  like,
• 16:29
  I'm
• 16:30
  concerned
• 16:31
  because
• 16:31
  this
• 16:31
  could
• 16:31
  either
• 16:31
  be
• 16:32
  an
• 16:32
  audiobook
• 16:32
  version
• 16:33
  of
• 16:33
  like
• 16:33
  those
• 16:33
  kind
• 16:33
  of
• 16:34
  like
• 16:34
  Mr.
• 16:34
  Freeze
• 16:34
  kind
• 16:35
  of
• 16:35
  movies,
• 16:35
  you
• 16:35
  know,
• 16:36
  or
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  book
• 16:37
  could
• 16:37
  have
• 16:37
  been
• 16:38
  more
• 16:38
  in
• 16:38
  line
• 16:38
  with
• 16:38
  that
• 16:39
  original
• 16:39
  movie.
• 16:39
  And
• 16:40
  I
• 16:40
  was,
• 16:40
  like,
• 16:41
  a
• 16:42
  little
• 16:42
  concerned.
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  mean,
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  love
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  campy
• 16:44
  stuff.
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  love
• 16:45
  Mr.
• 16:45
  Free.
• 16:45
  Like,
• 16:46
  Arnold
• 16:46
  Fortunate,
• 16:46
  Mr.
• 16:46
  Freeze
• 16:47
  is
• 16:47
  hilarious.
• 16:48
  It's
• 16:48
  not
• 16:48
  something
• 16:48
  I
• 16:49
  want
• 16:49
  to
• 16:49
  listen
• 16:49
  to.
• 16:49
  It's
• 16:50
  something
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  enjoy
• 16:50
  because,
• 16:51
  like,
• 16:51
  as
• 16:51
  a
• 16:51
  kid,
• 16:51
  it
• 16:51
  was
• 16:52
  great.
• 16:52
  And
• 16:52
  now
• 16:52
  I'm
• 16:53
  like,
• 16:53
  this
• 16:53
  is
• 16:53
  hilarious
• 16:54
  and
• 16:54
  campy,
• 16:55
  and
• 16:55
  I
• 16:55
  don't
• 16:55
  know
• 16:55
  if
• 16:55
  that
• 16:55
  would
• 16:55
  translate
• 16:56
  to
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  book.
• 16:56
  And
• 16:56
  I
• 16:56
  was
• 16:57
  like,
• 16:57
  I
• 16:57
  don't
• 16:57
  know.
• 16:57
  I
• 16:58
  was
• 16:58
  kind
• 16:58
  of
• 16:58
  hesitant
• 16:58
  going
• 16:58
  in.
• 16:59
  Plus,
• 16:59
  you
• 16:59
  know,
• 16:59
  a
• 16:59
  lot
• 17:00
  of
• 17:00
  times
• 17:00
  these
• 17:00
  books
• 17:00
  are
• 17:00
  done,
• 17:01
  and
• 17:01
  it's
• 17:01
  kind
• 17:01
  of
• 17:01
  just
• 17:01
  like
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  cash
• 17:02
  grab,
• 17:02
  and
• 17:02
  it's
• 17:02
  basically
• 17:03
  just
• 17:03
  like
• 17:03
  fanfics.
• 17:05
  But,
• 17:06
  man,
• 17:06
  I
• 17:07
  got
• 17:07
  to
• 17:07
  say,
• 17:07
  reading
• 17:08
  this,
• 17:08
  I
• 17:08
  really
• 17:08
  loved
• 17:09
  it.
• 17:09
  I
• 17:09
  thought
• 17:10
  this
• 17:10
  was
• 17:10
  a
• 17:10
  great
• 17:10
  story.
• 17:11
  If
• 17:12
  I.
• 17:12
  I'm
• 17:12
  glad
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  knew
• 17:13
  what
• 17:13
  the
• 17:14
  canon
• 17:14
  was,
• 17:14
  that
• 17:14
  it
• 17:15
  was
• 17:15
  like
• 17:15
  in
• 17:15
  canon
• 17:15
  with
• 17:16
  the
• 17:16
  Tim
• 17:16
  Burton
• 17:16
  universe
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  it
• 17:17
  was
• 17:17
  after
• 17:17
  that
• 17:17
  film,
• 17:18
  because
• 17:18
  otherwise,
• 17:19
  I
• 17:19
  think
• 17:19
  I
• 17:19
  might
• 17:19
  have
• 17:19
  been
• 17:20
  confused
• 17:20
  because
• 17:20
  I'm
• 17:20
  like,
• 17:20
  some
• 17:20
  of
• 17:21
  this
• 17:21
  stuff
• 17:21
  is
• 17:21
  just
• 17:21
  not
• 17:21
  what
• 17:22
  happens
• 17:22
  in
• 17:22
  Batman
• 17:23
  World,
• 17:24
  you
• 17:24
  know?
• 17:25
  But
• 17:26
  knowing
• 17:26
  that
• 17:26
  going
• 17:27
  in,
• 17:27
  I
• 17:27
  think,
• 17:27
  helped
• 17:27
  me
• 17:27
  a
• 17:28
  lot.
• 17:29
  Yeah.
• 17:30
  What
• 17:30
  are.
• 17:31
  What
• 17:31
  were
• 17:31
  your
• 17:31
  thoughts
• 17:32
  like?
• 17:32
  So
• 17:32
  you
• 17:32
  said
• 17:32
  going
• 17:33
  in,
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  weren't
• 17:33
  sure
• 17:33
  what
• 17:34
  to
• 17:34
  expect
• 17:34
  after
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  watched
• 17:35
  it.
• 17:35
  Are
• 17:36
  you
• 17:36
  like,
• 17:36
  yeah,
• 17:37
  or
• 17:37
  watch
• 17:37
  it,
• 17:37
  read
• 17:38
  it?
• 17:38
  Are
• 17:38
  you,
• 17:38
  like,
• 17:38
  super
• 17:38
  thumbs
• 17:39
  up?
• 17:39
  That
• 17:39
  was
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  great
• 17:40
  book.
• 17:40
  Or
• 17:40
  are
• 17:40
  you
• 17:40
  just
• 17:41
  kind
• 17:41
  of
• 17:41
  like,
• 17:41
  it
• 17:41
  was
• 17:42
  a
• 17:42
  good
• 17:42
  book?
• 17:43
  I
• 17:43
  would
• 17:43
  probably
• 17:44
  put
• 17:44
  it
• 17:44
  more
• 17:44
  in
• 17:44
  the
• 17:45
  solid
• 17:45
  category
• 17:45
  than
• 17:46
  great.
• 17:47
  I
• 17:48
  think
• 17:48
  it
• 17:48
  was.
• 17:49
  It's
• 17:49
  a
• 17:50
  challenging
• 17:50
  exercise,
• 17:51
  right,
• 17:51
  to
• 17:52
  kind
• 17:52
  of
• 17:53
  fit
• 17:53
  in
• 17:53
  between
• 17:54
  books,
• 17:54
  in
• 17:55
  between
• 17:55
  stories.
• 17:55
  You
• 17:55
  know,
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  prequel
• 17:57
  curse
• 17:57
  is
• 17:57
  a
• 17:58
  thing
• 17:58
  that
• 17:58
  has
• 17:58
  sunk
• 17:59
  many
• 17:59
  a
• 18:00
  storytelling
• 18:00
  endeavor.
• 18:03
  But,
• 18:03
  yeah,
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  liked
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  way
• 18:06
  it
• 18:06
  was
• 18:06
  very,
• 18:07
  very
• 18:07
  much
• 18:08
  in
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  specific
• 18:09
  Tim
• 18:09
  Burton
• 18:10
  Batman
• 18:10
  world.
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  had
• 18:11
  to
• 18:11
  go
• 18:11
  back
• 18:11
  and
• 18:12
  watch
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  movie
• 18:12
  again
• 18:12
  after
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  read
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  book
• 18:14
  because
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  wanted
• 18:15
  to
• 18:15
  be
• 18:15
  reminded
• 18:16
  of
• 18:16
  just
• 18:17
  how
• 18:17
  much
• 18:17
  was
• 18:18
  being
• 18:18
  taken
• 18:19
  from
• 18:20
  that
• 18:20
  world,
• 18:21
  specifically,
• 18:22
  because
• 18:23
  it
• 18:23
  did
• 18:23
  jog
• 18:24
  my
• 18:24
  memory
• 18:24
  even
• 18:24
  as
• 18:24
  I
• 18:24
  was
• 18:24
  going
• 18:25
  through
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  book,
• 18:25
  like,
• 18:25
  oh,
• 18:25
  yeah,
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  remember
• 18:26
  that
• 18:26
  bed.
• 18:26
  Or,
• 18:27
  yeah,
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  know
• 18:28
  why
• 18:28
  he's
• 18:29
  doing
• 18:29
  it
• 18:29
  this
• 18:29
  way
• 18:29
  or
• 18:29
  that
• 18:30
  way.
• 18:30
  But,
• 18:30
  yeah,
• 18:30
  it
• 18:31
  is
• 18:31
  a
• 18:31
  very
• 18:31
  specific
• 18:31
  take
• 18:32
  on
• 18:32
  Batman.
• 18:33
  And
• 18:34
  this
• 18:34
  is
• 18:34
  a
• 18:34
  very,
• 18:35
  very
• 18:36
  detailed.
• 18:37
  A
• 18:38
  lot
• 18:38
  of
• 18:38
  the
• 18:38
  characters
• 18:38
  come
• 18:38
  back.
• 18:39
  There
• 18:39
  are
• 18:40
  references
• 18:40
  to
• 18:41
  events.
• 18:42
  Anytime
• 18:42
  there's
• 18:43
  an
• 18:43
  opportunity
• 18:43
  for
• 18:44
  something
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  build
• 18:45
  on
• 18:45
  or
• 18:46
  be
• 18:46
  a
• 18:46
  continuation
• 18:47
  of
• 18:48
  something
• 18:48
  that
• 18:48
  happened
• 18:48
  in
• 18:48
  the
• 18:49
  movie,
• 18:49
  it
• 18:49
  seems
• 18:49
  like
• 18:50
  they've
• 18:50
  made
• 18:50
  the
• 18:50
  effort
• 18:50
  to
• 18:51
  include
• 18:52
  that.
• 18:52
  Instead
• 18:52
  of
• 18:53
  adding
• 18:53
  new
• 18:53
  characters
• 18:54
  or
• 18:54
  inventing
• 18:55
  new
• 18:55
  events
• 18:55
  or
• 18:55
  what
• 18:55
  have
• 18:56
  you,
• 18:57
  it
• 18:57
  draws
• 18:57
  very
• 18:57
  heavily
• 18:58
  from
• 18:58
  the
• 18:58
  film.
• 18:59
  And
• 18:59
  so
• 19:00
  I
• 19:00
  think
• 19:00
  that
• 19:01
  helped
• 19:01
  Even
• 19:01
  though
• 19:03
  there's
• 19:04
  no
• 19:04
  visual
• 19:04
  component
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  the
• 19:05
  audiobook,
• 19:06
  there
• 19:06
  are
• 19:06
  those
• 19:07
  visuals
• 19:08
  that
• 19:08
  go
• 19:08
  along
• 19:08
  with
• 19:09
  it.
• 19:09
  Right.
• 19:09
  There's
• 19:09
  those
• 19:09
  very
• 19:09
  distinctive
• 19:10
  Tim
• 19:11
  Burton
• 19:13
  Gotham
• 19:13
  Gothic
• 19:14
  visuals
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  you
• 19:16
  can
• 19:17
  picture.
• 19:18
  And
• 19:18
  there's
• 19:19
  enough
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  the
• 19:19
  personality
• 19:20
  of
• 19:21
  Batman
• 19:21
  and
• 19:22
  Alfred
• 19:24
  and
• 19:25
  Vicki
• 19:25
  Bale
• 19:25
  and
• 19:25
  so
• 19:26
  forth
• 19:26
  in
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  writing
• 19:27
  that
• 19:28
  you
• 19:28
  can
• 19:28
  see
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  connection
• 19:29
  to
• 19:30
  the
• 19:30
  Michael
• 19:31
  Keaton
• 19:31
  portrayal
• 19:32
  and
• 19:32
  so
• 19:32
  forth.
• 19:33
  Yeah,
• 19:33
  yeah.
• 19:33
  No,
• 19:33
  for
• 19:34
  sure.
• 19:35
  Yeah.
• 19:35
  No,
• 19:36
  I
• 19:36
  thought
• 19:36
  it
• 19:36
  was
• 19:36
  good.
• 19:37
  Yeah.
• 19:37
  I'm
• 19:38
  with
• 19:38
  you.
• 19:38
  I'm
• 19:38
  not
• 19:38
  sure
• 19:38
  if
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  would
• 19:39
  go
• 19:39
  as
• 19:39
  far
• 19:39
  as
• 19:39
  great.
• 19:40
  I
• 19:40
  might.
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  might
• 19:41
  go
• 19:41
  great,
• 19:41
  but
• 19:42
  not
• 19:42
  excellent,
• 19:42
  you
• 19:43
  know,
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  really
• 19:44
  enjoyed
• 19:44
  it
• 19:44
  a
• 19:44
  lot.
• 19:45
  A
• 19:45
  lot
• 19:45
  more
• 19:45
  than
• 19:45
  I
• 19:46
  thought
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  would.
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  think,
• 19:47
  going
• 19:47
  in,
• 19:47
  being
• 19:47
  hesitant,
• 19:48
  like,
• 19:49
  I
• 19:49
  ended
• 19:49
  up
• 19:49
  sitting
• 19:50
  a
• 19:50
  really
• 19:50
  low
• 19:50
  bar.
• 19:51
  So
• 19:51
  then
• 19:51
  I
• 19:51
  was
• 19:51
  kind
• 19:51
  of
• 19:51
  blown
• 19:51
  away.
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  was
• 19:52
  like,
• 19:52
  oh,
• 19:52
  this
• 19:52
  is
• 19:52
  actually
• 19:53
  just
• 19:53
  really
• 19:53
  good
• 19:53
  storytelling.
• 19:54
  So
• 19:54
  that's
• 19:54
  cool.
• 19:55
  I
• 19:55
  think
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  cool
• 19:56
  thing
• 19:56
  about,
• 19:56
  like,
• 19:57
  it
• 19:57
  being
• 19:57
  a
• 19:57
  book,
• 19:57
  too,
• 19:58
  is,
• 19:58
  like,
• 19:58
  a
• 19:58
  lot
• 19:58
  of
• 19:58
  times,
• 19:58
  like,
• 19:58
  Batman,
• 19:59
  when
• 19:59
  he's
• 19:59
  in
• 19:59
  graphic
• 20:00
  novel
• 20:00
  or
• 20:00
  in
• 20:00
  comics,
• 20:01
  they
• 20:01
  don't
• 20:01
  have
• 20:01
  as
• 20:02
  much
• 20:02
  time
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  flesh
• 20:02
  out
• 20:03
  what's
• 20:03
  happening
• 20:03
  between
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  events,
• 20:04
  you
• 20:04
  know,
• 20:05
  but
• 20:05
  here
• 20:05
  we
• 20:06
  kind
• 20:06
  of
• 20:06
  also.
• 20:06
  You
• 20:06
  get
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  hear,
• 20:07
  like,
• 20:07
  Batman's
• 20:08
  inner
• 20:08
  monologue
• 20:08
  a
• 20:09
  little
• 20:09
  bit
• 20:09
  more.
• 20:09
  You
• 20:09
  get
• 20:09
  to
• 20:09
  kind
• 20:09
  of
• 20:09
  hear,
• 20:10
  like,
• 20:10
  oh,
• 20:10
  this
• 20:10
  is
• 20:10
  what
• 20:10
  Batman's
• 20:10
  thinking.
• 20:11
  This
• 20:11
  is
• 20:11
  why
• 20:11
  he
• 20:11
  does
• 20:12
  what
• 20:12
  he
• 20:12
  does.
• 20:13
  So
• 20:13
  kind
• 20:13
  of
• 20:13
  fleshed
• 20:13
  out
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  character
• 20:14
  a
• 20:14
  little
• 20:14
  bit
• 20:15
  in
• 20:15
  a
• 20:15
  fun
• 20:16
  way.
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  enjoyed
• 20:16
  that
• 20:17
  a
• 20:17
  lot.
• 20:18
  Yeah.
• 20:19
  Just
• 20:19
  overall,
• 20:20
  I
• 20:20
  liked
• 20:20
  it.
• 20:20
  I
• 20:20
  found
• 20:21
  one
• 20:21
  thing
• 20:21
  that
• 20:21
  I
• 20:21
  was
• 20:21
  doing
• 20:21
  that
• 20:22
  was
• 20:22
  kind
• 20:22
  of
• 20:22
  funny,
• 20:22
  though,
• 20:23
  and
• 20:23
  it
• 20:23
  was
• 20:23
  from
• 20:24
  the
• 20:24
  beginning,
• 20:24
  which
• 20:24
  is
• 20:24
  why
• 20:25
  I'm
• 20:25
  surprised
• 20:26
  that
• 20:26
  something
• 20:26
  that
• 20:26
  happened
• 20:27
  surprised
• 20:27
  me.
• 20:28
  Because
• 20:28
  from
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  very
• 20:28
  beginning,
• 20:28
  the
• 20:29
  way
• 20:29
  that
• 20:29
  he's
• 20:29
  reading
• 20:30
  Batman's
• 20:30
  voice,
• 20:30
  he
• 20:30
  does,
• 20:31
  like,
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  voice
• 20:31
  change
• 20:31
  for
• 20:31
  it.
• 20:32
  I
• 20:32
  just
• 20:32
  immediately
• 20:33
  started
• 20:33
  imagining
• 20:34
  all
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  characters
• 20:35
  in
• 20:35
  there,
• 20:35
  like
• 20:35
  Arkham
• 20:36
  Knight,
• 20:36
  Arkham
• 20:37
  City,
• 20:37
  Arkham
• 20:38
  Origin,
• 20:38
  like
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  video
• 20:38
  games.
• 20:39
  Like,
• 20:39
  I
• 20:39
  was
• 20:39
  imagining
• 20:39
  those
• 20:40
  versions
• 20:40
  of
• 20:40
  the
• 20:41
  characters
• 20:41
  while
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  was
• 20:41
  reading,
• 20:43
  and
• 20:43
  then
• 20:43
  I
• 20:43
  still
• 20:43
  got
• 20:44
  surprised
• 20:44
  by
• 20:44
  that
• 20:44
  one
• 20:44
  twist
• 20:45
  that's
• 20:45
  definitely
• 20:45
  just,
• 20:46
  like,
• 20:46
  part
• 20:47
  of
• 20:47
  the
• 20:47
  plot
• 20:47
  of
• 20:48
  one
• 20:48
  of
• 20:48
  the
• 20:48
  video
• 20:48
  games.
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  was
• 20:50
  like,
• 20:50
  how
• 20:50
  did
• 20:50
  I
• 20:51
  not
• 20:51
  see
• 20:52
  that?
• 20:54
  Oh,
• 20:54
  man.
• 20:55
  It
• 20:55
  was
• 20:55
  good
• 20:56
  stuff,
• 20:56
  though.
• 20:56
  So
• 20:56
  as
• 20:56
  far
• 20:57
  as
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  plot,
• 20:58
  it's
• 20:59
  a
• 20:59
  good
• 20:59
  story.
• 20:59
  I
• 21:00
  do
• 21:00
  recommend
• 21:00
  people
• 21:00
  reading
• 21:01
  it.
• 21:01
  Basically,
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  Joker
• 21:04
  might
• 21:04
  be
• 21:04
  back.
• 21:04
  Batman's
• 21:05
  having
• 21:05
  a
• 21:05
  little
• 21:05
  paranoia.
• 21:06
  And
• 21:06
  then
• 21:07
  all
• 21:07
  of
• 21:07
  a
• 21:07
  sudden,
• 21:08
  due
• 21:08
  to
• 21:08
  some
• 21:08
  shenanigans,
• 21:09
  you
• 21:10
  know,
• 21:10
  people
• 21:10
  are
• 21:10
  still
• 21:10
  dealing
• 21:10
  with
• 21:11
  smilex,
• 21:11
  so
• 21:11
  they
• 21:12
  have,
• 21:12
  like,
• 21:12
  those
• 21:12
  smiles
• 21:13
  on
• 21:13
  their
• 21:13
  face,
• 21:13
  and
• 21:13
  it's
• 21:13
  causing
• 21:14
  PTSD
• 21:14
  and
• 21:14
  all
• 21:15
  this
• 21:15
  stuff.
• 21:15
  And
• 21:16
  what
• 21:16
  Tim
• 21:16
  Burton
• 21:17
  did.
• 21:17
  Well,
• 21:17
  this
• 21:17
  book
• 21:17
  does
• 21:18
  well
• 21:18
  of
• 21:18
  Gotham
• 21:18
  is
• 21:19
  its
• 21:19
  own
• 21:19
  character.
• 21:19
  The
• 21:19
  city
• 21:20
  itself
• 21:20
  is
• 21:20
  kind
• 21:20
  of
• 21:20
  its
• 21:20
  own
• 21:20
  character.
• 21:21
  Right.
• 21:22
  So
• 21:22
  you
• 21:22
  see
• 21:22
  that,
• 21:23
  like,
• 21:23
  ptsd,
• 21:24
  culturally,
• 21:25
  is
• 21:25
  impacting
• 21:26
  everyone.
• 21:27
  Longer
• 21:28
  story
• 21:28
  short,
• 21:29
  there's
• 21:29
  an
• 21:29
  actor
• 21:30
  who
• 21:30
  gets
• 21:30
  infected
• 21:30
  with
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  different
• 21:31
  variant
• 21:31
  of
• 21:31
  it
• 21:32
  who
• 21:32
  ends
• 21:32
  up
• 21:32
  becoming
• 21:32
  Clayface.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:34
  Batman's
• 21:34
  basically
• 21:35
  trying
• 21:35
  to
• 21:35
  figure
• 21:35
  out
• 21:36
  who
• 21:36
  is
• 21:36
  this
• 21:36
  new
• 21:37
  Joker
• 21:37
  who
• 21:37
  ends
• 21:37
  up
• 21:37
  being
• 21:38
  Clayface.
• 21:38
  And
• 21:38
  you
• 21:38
  kind
• 21:38
  of
• 21:39
  know
• 21:39
  about
• 21:39
  it
• 21:39
  the
• 21:39
  whole
• 21:39
  time,
• 21:40
  which
• 21:40
  I
• 21:41
  think
• 21:41
  is
• 21:41
  what
• 21:41
  allowed
• 21:42
  them
• 21:42
  to
• 21:42
  pull
• 21:42
  off
• 21:42
  the
• 21:43
  other
• 21:43
  surprise
• 21:43
  where
• 21:44
  the
• 21:44
  Doctor
• 21:44
  who's
• 21:44
  been,
• 21:45
  quote,
• 21:45
  helping
• 21:45
  people
• 21:46
  turns
• 21:46
  out
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  be
• 21:46
  Hugo
• 21:47
  Strange,
• 21:48
  who
• 21:48
  is,
• 21:50
  I
• 21:50
  don't
• 21:50
  know
• 21:50
  how
• 21:50
  mainstay
• 21:51
  of
• 21:51
  a
• 21:51
  villain
• 21:51
  he
• 21:51
  is
• 21:52
  in
• 21:52
  Batman
• 21:52
  world,
• 21:52
  but
• 21:52
  he
• 21:53
  is
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  villain
• 21:54
  who
• 21:54
  basically
• 21:55
  is
• 21:55
  like,
• 21:56
  Hitler
• 21:57
  Diet
• 21:57
  Hitler.
• 21:59
  And,
• 22:00
  you
• 22:01
  know,
• 22:01
  he's
• 22:01
  trying
• 22:01
  to
• 22:01
  create
• 22:02
  army
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  clay
• 22:02
  people,
• 22:03
  make
• 22:03
  everybody
• 22:03
  do
• 22:04
  his
• 22:04
  bidding,
• 22:05
  etc,
• 22:05
  etc.
• 22:06
  Surprisingly,
• 22:07
  Batman
• 22:07
  wins
• 22:08
  the
• 22:08
  day.
• 22:09
  No,
• 22:09
  what's
• 22:09
  actually
• 22:09
  surprising,
• 22:10
  though,
• 22:10
  is
• 22:11
  Clayface
• 22:11
  ends
• 22:12
  up
• 22:12
  helping
• 22:12
  Batman
• 22:13
  win
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  day.
• 22:13
  So
• 22:14
  the.
• 22:14
  I
• 22:15
  think
• 22:15
  really
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  large
• 22:15
  part
• 22:15
  of
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  story,
• 22:16
  and
• 22:16
  I'm
• 22:16
  trying
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  remember
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  guy's
• 22:17
  name,
• 22:18
  is
• 22:19
  the
• 22:19
  guy
• 22:19
  who
• 22:19
  becomes
• 22:19
  Clayface
• 22:20
  in
• 22:20
  kind
• 22:20
  of
• 22:21
  his
• 22:21
  redemption
• 22:21
  arc
• 22:22
  to
• 22:22
  what
• 22:22
  happened
• 22:23
  to
• 22:23
  him,
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  think
• 22:23
  is
• 22:23
  the
• 22:24
  large
• 22:24
  crux
• 22:24
  of
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  story.
• 22:25
  Do
• 22:25
  you
• 22:26
  remember
• 22:26
  his
• 22:26
  name?
• 22:26
  Like,
• 22:26
  who's
• 22:26
  the
• 22:27
  guy
• 22:27
  who
• 22:27
  becomes
• 22:27
  Clayface?
• 22:28
  Why
• 22:28
  am
• 22:28
  I
• 22:28
  struggling?
• 22:29
  Right.
• 22:29
  Well,
• 22:30
  his
• 22:30
  stage
• 22:30
  name
• 22:30
  is
• 22:31
  Boris
• 22:31
  Carlo.
• 22:32
  Is
• 22:32
  that
• 22:32
  right?
• 22:33
  That
• 22:33
  sounds
• 22:33
  right.
• 22:36
  I'm
• 22:37
  not
• 22:37
  confident
• 22:37
  that
• 22:38
  I
• 22:38
  remember
• 22:38
  his
• 22:38
  actual
• 22:39
  birth
• 22:39
  name,
• 22:40
  but
• 22:40
  I'm
• 22:40
  pretty
• 22:40
  sure
• 22:41
  that
• 22:41
  that's
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  stage
• 22:42
  name
• 22:42
  and
• 22:43
  the
• 22:43
  name
• 22:43
  that
• 22:43
  gets
• 22:43
  used
• 22:43
  the
• 22:43
  most
• 22:44
  often
• 22:44
  in
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  book.
• 22:45
  All
• 22:46
  right,
• 22:46
  original
• 22:47
  Clayface's
• 22:48
  full
• 22:48
  name
• 22:48
  is
• 22:48
  Basil
• 22:49
  Carlo.
• 22:50
  Basil
• 22:50
  Carlo.
• 22:51
  Okay,
• 22:51
  let's
• 22:51
  see.
• 22:51
  He's
• 22:51
  an
• 22:52
  actor,
• 22:52
  serial
• 22:52
  killer.
• 22:55
  A
• 22:55
  lot
• 22:55
  of
• 22:55
  people
• 22:55
  have
• 22:56
  used
• 22:56
  his
• 22:57
  name.
• 22:58
  I
• 22:58
  don't
• 22:58
  know.
• 22:58
  A
• 22:58
  lot
• 22:58
  of
• 22:59
  people
• 22:59
  have
• 23:00
  used
• 23:00
  his
• 23:00
  name,
• 23:00
  it
• 23:00
  turns
• 23:01
  out.
• 23:01
  But,
• 23:01
  yeah,
• 23:02
  yeah,
• 23:02
  we'll
• 23:03
  go
• 23:03
  with
• 23:03
  Basil
• 23:03
  Carlo.
• 23:05
  But,
• 23:05
  yeah,
• 23:06
  yeah.
• 23:06
  So
• 23:07
  it
• 23:07
  was
• 23:07
  interesting.
• 23:07
  He
• 23:08
  was
• 23:08
  basically
• 23:08
  not
• 23:08
  a
• 23:08
  very
• 23:09
  good
• 23:09
  actor,
• 23:09
  and
• 23:09
  he
• 23:10
  was
• 23:10
  helping
• 23:10
  the
• 23:11
  lead
• 23:11
  actor
• 23:12
  gets
• 23:12
  some
• 23:12
  makeup
• 23:13
  that
• 23:13
  ended
• 23:13
  up
• 23:13
  being
• 23:14
  experimented
• 23:15
  on
• 23:15
  using
• 23:16
  some
• 23:16
  variant
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  Smilix,
• 23:17
  turns
• 23:18
  him
• 23:18
  into
• 23:19
  gooey
• 23:19
  flesh
• 23:20
  that
• 23:20
  can.
• 23:20
  He's
• 23:20
  a
• 23:21
  shapeshifter.
• 23:22
  I
• 23:22
  mean,
• 23:22
  I
• 23:22
  feel
• 23:22
  like
• 23:22
  that's
• 23:22
  the
• 23:23
  easy
• 23:23
  way
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  say
• 23:23
  it.
• 23:24
  The
• 23:24
  way
• 23:24
  the
• 23:24
  book
• 23:25
  describes
• 23:25
  it
• 23:25
  was
• 23:25
  scary.
• 23:26
  Scary
• 23:26
  enough
• 23:27
  that
• 23:27
  I
• 23:27
  feel
• 23:27
  like
• 23:28
  I
• 23:28
  now
• 23:28
  understand
• 23:29
  how
• 23:29
  they're
• 23:30
  going
• 23:30
  to
• 23:30
  create
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  Clayface
• 23:31
  horror
• 23:32
  movie
• 23:32
  that
• 23:32
  they're
• 23:32
  going
• 23:32
  to
• 23:32
  do.
• 23:33
  Yeah.
• 23:34
  Were
• 23:34
  you
• 23:34
  thinking
• 23:35
  anything
• 23:35
  about
• 23:35
  that
• 23:35
  when
• 23:35
  they
• 23:35
  were
• 23:35
  describing,
• 23:36
  like,
• 23:36
  his
• 23:36
  transformation?
• 23:37
  Did
• 23:37
  you
• 23:37
  have,
• 23:37
  like,
• 23:37
  in
• 23:37
  the
• 23:37
  back
• 23:38
  of
• 23:38
  your
• 23:38
  mind,
• 23:39
  that
• 23:39
  Clayface
• 23:40
  movie
• 23:40
  that
• 23:40
  they're
• 23:40
  making
• 23:41
  up
• 23:41
  soon?
• 23:42
  A
• 23:42
  little
• 23:42
  bit.
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  mean,
• 23:43
  you
• 23:43
  know,
• 23:43
  Clayface,
• 23:44
  I
• 23:44
  think,
• 23:45
  was
• 23:45
  one
• 23:45
  of
• 23:45
  those
• 23:46
  standout
• 23:47
  characters
• 23:48
  for
• 23:48
  me
• 23:48
  from
• 23:49
  the
• 23:49
  Animated
• 23:49
  Series.
• 23:50
  I
• 23:50
  felt
• 23:51
  like
• 23:51
  he.
• 23:53
  That
• 23:53
  was.
• 23:53
  That
• 23:53
  was
• 23:53
  a
• 23:54
  place
• 23:54
  where
• 23:54
  he
• 23:54
  really
• 23:54
  kind
• 23:54
  of
• 23:55
  came
• 23:55
  into
• 23:55
  his
• 23:55
  own.
• 23:56
  And
• 23:57
  so
• 23:57
  it
• 23:58
  didn't
• 23:58
  surprise
• 23:58
  me
• 23:59
  that
• 23:59
  they
• 23:59
  would
• 24:00
  be
• 24:00
  doing
• 24:00
  a
• 24:00
  clayface
• 24:01
  movie.
• 24:01
  And
• 24:01
  I
• 24:01
  didn't
• 24:02
  necessarily
• 24:02
  have
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  hard
• 24:03
  time
• 24:03
  seeing
• 24:03
  that
• 24:04
  as
• 24:04
  a
• 24:04
  thing.
• 24:05
  But,
• 24:05
  yeah,
• 24:05
  I
• 24:06
  can.
• 24:06
  I
• 24:06
  get
• 24:07
  what
• 24:07
  you're
• 24:07
  saying
• 24:07
  about
• 24:07
  the
• 24:08
  visuals.
• 24:09
  You
• 24:09
  know,
• 24:09
  the
• 24:09
  description
• 24:10
  of
• 24:10
  the
• 24:11
  transformation
• 24:11
  process
• 24:11
  could
• 24:12
  clearly
• 24:12
  inform,
• 24:13
  you
• 24:13
  know,
• 24:14
  the
• 24:14
  visuals
• 24:14
  of
• 24:15
  how
• 24:15
  they
• 24:15
  might
• 24:15
  approach
• 24:15
  that
• 24:16
  in
• 24:16
  a
• 24:16
  film.
• 24:17
  Yeah,
• 24:17
  yeah.
• 24:18
  I
• 24:18
  think
• 24:18
  it's
• 24:19
  Michael
• 24:19
  Mike
• 24:19
  Flanagan.
• 24:20
  That's
• 24:20
  what
• 24:20
  it
• 24:20
  was,
• 24:20
  because
• 24:21
  he's
• 24:21
  the
• 24:21
  one
• 24:21
  doing
• 24:21
  the
• 24:21
  movie.
• 24:22
  And
• 24:22
  that's
• 24:22
  what
• 24:22
  I
• 24:22
  was
• 24:22
  struggling
• 24:23
  with,
• 24:23
  is
• 24:23
  I'm
• 24:23
  like,
• 24:23
  I
• 24:23
  can
• 24:24
  see
• 24:24
  a
• 24:24
  clayface
• 24:24
  movie,
• 24:25
  but
• 24:25
  seeing
• 24:26
  it
• 24:26
  as
• 24:26
  something
• 24:26
  he
• 24:26
  would
• 24:27
  do
• 24:27
  as
• 24:27
  well,
• 24:27
  because,
• 24:27
  like,
• 24:28
  for
• 24:28
  me.
• 24:28
  And
• 24:29
  I
• 24:29
  think
• 24:29
  part
• 24:29
  of
• 24:29
  it
• 24:29
  is
• 24:29
  also
• 24:30
  the.
• 24:32
  I,
• 24:33
  like,
• 24:33
  love
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  Harley
• 24:34
  Quinn
• 24:34
  series
• 24:34
  HBO
• 24:35
  has
• 24:35
  been
• 24:35
  doing.
• 24:35
  And
• 24:35
  in
• 24:36
  there,
• 24:36
  Clayface
• 24:36
  is
• 24:36
  kind
• 24:37
  of
• 24:37
  a
• 24:37
  silly
• 24:37
  character,
• 24:38
  Right.
• 24:38
  Because
• 24:38
  he's
• 24:39
  a
• 24:39
  failed
• 24:39
  actor.
• 24:40
  He's
• 24:40
  kind
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  the
• 24:40
  comic
• 24:40
  relief.
• 24:41
  He's
• 24:41
  like,
• 24:42
  I
• 24:42
  could
• 24:42
  pretend
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  be
• 24:42
  anyone,
• 24:43
  but
• 24:43
  he's
• 24:43
  not
• 24:43
  very
• 24:43
  good
• 24:43
  because
• 24:44
  he
• 24:44
  was
• 24:44
  never
• 24:44
  a
• 24:44
  good
• 24:44
  actor.
• 24:45
  That's
• 24:45
  part
• 24:45
  of
• 24:45
  his
• 24:45
  storyline.
• 24:46
  And
• 24:46
  I
• 24:46
  was
• 24:46
  like,
• 24:46
  okay,
• 24:46
  this
• 24:47
  is
• 24:47
  kind
• 24:47
  of
• 24:47
  silly.
• 24:47
  He's
• 24:47
  a
• 24:47
  funny
• 24:48
  character.
• 24:48
  Mike
• 24:49
  Flanagan's
• 24:49
  doing
• 24:49
  this.
• 24:50
  What?
• 24:50
  But
• 24:51
  then
• 24:51
  I'm
• 24:51
  reading
• 24:51
  the.
• 24:51
  I'm
• 24:52
  reading
• 24:52
  this
• 24:52
  book
• 24:53
  and
• 24:53
  I'm
• 24:53
  like,
• 24:53
  oh,
• 24:54
  yeah.
• 24:54
  No,
• 24:54
  actually,
• 24:55
  the
• 24:55
  idea
• 24:55
  of
• 24:55
  your
• 24:55
  flesh
• 24:56
  suddenly
• 24:56
  becoming
• 24:56
  goo
• 24:57
  and
• 24:57
  being
• 24:57
  able
• 24:57
  to
• 24:57
  shapeshift
• 24:58
  and
• 24:58
  not
• 24:58
  knowing
• 24:59
  what's
• 24:59
  happening
• 24:59
  to
• 24:59
  your
• 24:59
  own
• 25:00
  body
• 25:00
  and
• 25:01
  being
• 25:02
  blamed
• 25:02
  for
• 25:02
  stuff
• 25:02
  that
• 25:03
  didn't
• 25:03
  happen,
• 25:03
  and
• 25:03
  it's
• 25:03
  like,
• 25:04
  oh,
• 25:04
  yeah.
• 25:04
  This
• 25:04
  stuff
• 25:04
  actually
• 25:05
  can
• 25:05
  be
• 25:05
  pretty
• 25:06
  scary.
• 25:07
  Yeah.
• 25:08
  And
• 25:08
  he's
• 25:08
  also.
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  think
• 25:09
  he's.
• 25:09
  I
• 25:10
  mean,
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  haven't
• 25:10
  seen
• 25:10
  the
• 25:10
  Harley
• 25:10
  Quinn
• 25:11
  show,
• 25:11
  but
• 25:12
  I
• 25:12
  suspect
• 25:12
  he's
• 25:12
  a
• 25:12
  little
• 25:13
  bit
• 25:13
  more
• 25:13
  menacing
• 25:13
  in
• 25:13
  the
• 25:14
  Animated
• 25:14
  Series
• 25:15
  version.
• 25:15
  Oh,
• 25:16
  yeah.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:17
  in
• 25:17
  some
• 25:17
  of
• 25:17
  the
• 25:18
  different
• 25:18
  comics,
• 25:19
  you
• 25:20
  know,
• 25:20
  sometimes
• 25:20
  he
• 25:20
  even
• 25:20
  gets
• 25:21
  that
• 25:21
  kind
• 25:21
  of,
• 25:22
  like,
• 25:22
  Sandman,
• 25:23
  you
• 25:23
  know,
• 25:23
  I
• 25:23
  can
• 25:23
  be
• 25:24
  much
• 25:24
  bigger
• 25:24
  than
• 25:25
  normal
• 25:26
  human
• 25:26
  kind
• 25:26
  of
• 25:26
  thing
• 25:27
  going
• 25:27
  on.
• 25:27
  And
• 25:27
  so,
• 25:28
  yeah,
• 25:28
  I
• 25:28
  think
• 25:28
  there's
• 25:28
  a
• 25:28
  lot
• 25:28
  of
• 25:29
  opportunity
• 25:29
  for.
• 25:30
  For
• 25:30
  that.
• 25:30
  And
• 25:31
  then,
• 25:31
  you
• 25:31
  know,
• 25:31
  the.
• 25:32
  The
• 25:32
  body
• 25:32
  horror
• 25:32
  aspects
• 25:33
  of
• 25:34
  your
• 25:34
  body
• 25:35
  kind
• 25:35
  of
• 25:35
  betraying
• 25:36
  you
• 25:36
  that
• 25:36
  way.
• 25:36
  Yeah,
• 25:37
  yeah.
• 25:37
  Well.
• 25:38
  And
• 25:38
  that's
• 25:38
  what's.
• 25:38
  So
• 25:39
  part
• 25:39
  of
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  plot
• 25:39
  that
• 25:39
  was
• 25:39
  interesting,
• 25:40
  too,
• 25:40
  is,
• 25:40
  like,
• 25:40
  because
• 25:41
  of
• 25:41
  what
• 25:41
  was
• 25:41
  going
• 25:41
  on
• 25:41
  with
• 25:42
  his
• 25:42
  body,
• 25:42
  and
• 25:42
  it
• 25:43
  also
• 25:43
  impacted
• 25:44
  his
• 25:44
  brain,
• 25:44
  like,
• 25:44
  his
• 25:45
  ability
• 25:45
  to,
• 25:45
  like,
• 25:46
  just
• 25:47
  kind
• 25:47
  of
• 25:47
  control
• 25:47
  himself.
• 25:48
  So
• 25:48
  his
• 25:48
  mind's
• 25:48
  also
• 25:48
  being
• 25:49
  kind
• 25:49
  of
• 25:49
  impacted
• 25:49
  by
• 25:49
  these
• 25:50
  drugs.
• 25:51
  He
• 25:51
  ends
• 25:51
  up
• 25:51
  being
• 25:52
  the
• 25:52
  cause
• 25:52
  of
• 25:52
  some
• 25:53
  pretty
• 25:53
  terrible
• 25:53
  things
• 25:53
  that
• 25:54
  happened.
• 25:54
  And
• 25:54
  he's
• 25:54
  not
• 25:55
  really
• 25:55
  a
• 25:55
  bad
• 25:55
  guy.
• 25:56
  He's
• 25:57
  just.
• 25:57
  Stuff
• 25:58
  happened
• 25:58
  to
• 25:58
  him.
• 25:59
  He
• 25:59
  was,
• 25:59
  like,
• 25:59
  a
• 25:59
  victim
• 25:59
  of
• 26:00
  circumstance.
• 26:00
  And
• 26:00
  then
• 26:01
  because
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  what
• 26:01
  happened
• 26:01
  to
• 26:01
  him,
• 26:02
  other
• 26:02
  people
• 26:03
  died,
• 26:03
  other
• 26:03
  stuff
• 26:03
  happened
• 26:04
  in
• 26:04
  the
• 26:04
  story
• 26:04
  that,
• 26:05
  like.
• 26:05
  And
• 26:06
  then
• 26:06
  he
• 26:06
  ends
• 26:06
  up
• 26:06
  in
• 26:06
  a
• 26:06
  situation
• 26:07
  that
• 26:07
  he
• 26:07
  feels
• 26:07
  like
• 26:08
  he
• 26:08
  can't
• 26:08
  get
• 26:08
  out
• 26:08
  of.
• 26:09
  So
• 26:09
  he's
• 26:09
  talked
• 26:10
  into
• 26:10
  playing
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  role
• 26:11
  of
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  Joker
• 26:12
  doing
• 26:12
  all
• 26:12
  of
• 26:12
  these
• 26:12
  terrible
• 26:13
  things
• 26:14
  to
• 26:14
  hurt
• 26:14
  Gotham
• 26:15
  when
• 26:15
  really
• 26:16
  he
• 26:17
  didn't
• 26:17
  have
• 26:17
  much
• 26:17
  say
• 26:18
  in
• 26:18
  what
• 26:18
  happened
• 26:18
  to
• 26:18
  him.
• 26:19
  Yeah,
• 26:19
  yeah.
• 26:20
  It's
• 26:20
  definitely
• 26:21
  more
• 26:21
  of
• 26:21
  a
• 26:22
  tragic
• 26:22
  story
• 26:22
  than
• 26:22
  a,
• 26:23
  you
• 26:23
  know,
• 26:23
  I'm
• 26:24
  a
• 26:25
  scheming
• 26:26
  mastermind
• 26:27
  kind
• 26:27
  of
• 26:27
  character.
• 26:28
  Yeah.
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  mean,
• 26:29
  he
• 26:29
  doesn't
• 26:29
  really
• 26:30
  remember.
• 26:30
  It
• 26:30
  takes
• 26:31
  a
• 26:31
  while
• 26:31
  to
• 26:31
  remember
• 26:31
  who
• 26:32
  he
• 26:32
  is.
• 26:32
  Right.
• 26:32
  Because
• 26:32
  his
• 26:33
  body's
• 26:33
  got
• 26:33
  gone
• 26:34
  through
• 26:34
  this
• 26:34
  transformation.
• 26:36
  So
• 26:36
  he
• 26:36
  doesn't
• 26:36
  know
• 26:36
  exactly
• 26:37
  who
• 26:37
  he
• 26:37
  is
• 26:37
  at
• 26:37
  first.
• 26:38
  And
• 26:40
  then,
• 26:40
  you
• 26:40
  know,
• 26:41
  there's
• 26:42
  a
• 26:42
  recurring
• 26:42
  motif
• 26:43
  of
• 26:43
  where,
• 26:43
  like,
• 26:43
  he
• 26:44
  sort
• 26:44
  of
• 26:44
  loses
• 26:44
  concentration
• 26:45
  or
• 26:45
  loses
• 26:45
  focus
• 26:46
  and
• 26:46
  his
• 26:46
  body
• 26:47
  loses
• 26:47
  focus
• 26:47
  as
• 26:48
  well
• 26:48
  and
• 26:49
  becomes
• 26:49
  a
• 26:49
  bit
• 26:50
  more
• 26:50
  amorphous
• 26:51
  and
• 26:51
  that,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  know,
• 26:51
  that.
• 26:52
  That's
• 26:52
  a
• 26:52
  challenge
• 26:52
  for
• 26:52
  him.
• 26:53
  Yeah,
• 26:53
  yeah.
• 26:54
  Well.
• 26:54
  And
• 26:54
  you
• 26:54
  mentioned
• 26:54
  the
• 26:55
  body
• 26:55
  horror,
• 26:55
  too.
• 26:55
  Like,
• 26:56
  part
• 26:56
  of
• 26:56
  what
• 26:56
  got
• 26:56
  me
• 26:57
  was
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  description
• 26:57
  where
• 26:57
  he's
• 26:58
  like.
• 26:58
  He's
• 26:58
  trying
• 26:58
  to
• 26:58
  talk,
• 26:59
  but
• 26:59
  he
• 27:00
  couldn't,
• 27:00
  and
• 27:00
  just
• 27:00
  coming
• 27:00
  out
• 27:00
  in
• 27:01
  noises
• 27:01
  until
• 27:01
  he
• 27:02
  starts
• 27:02
  shaping
• 27:03
  his
• 27:03
  body
• 27:03
  to
• 27:03
  pretend
• 27:03
  to
• 27:04
  be
• 27:04
  other
• 27:04
  people.
• 27:04
  And
• 27:05
  then
• 27:05
  you
• 27:05
  get
• 27:05
  this
• 27:05
  whole
• 27:05
  commentary
• 27:06
  on,
• 27:06
  like,
• 27:06
  he
• 27:06
  never
• 27:07
  learned
• 27:07
  how
• 27:07
  to
• 27:07
  be
• 27:07
  himself.
• 27:08
  And
• 27:08
  you're
• 27:08
  like,
• 27:09
  oh,
• 27:09
  man.
• 27:09
  That's
• 27:10
  like.
• 27:10
  Not
• 27:10
  only
• 27:11
  is
• 27:11
  it,
• 27:11
  like,
• 27:11
  philosophically
• 27:12
  that's
• 27:12
  deep,
• 27:12
  but
• 27:12
  also
• 27:13
  you're
• 27:13
  like,
• 27:13
  oh,
• 27:13
  that
• 27:13
  is
• 27:14
  scary.
• 27:14
  Imagine,
• 27:14
  like,
• 27:14
  you
• 27:14
  just
• 27:15
  wake
• 27:15
  up
• 27:15
  one
• 27:15
  day
• 27:15
  and
• 27:15
  you
• 27:15
  can't
• 27:16
  speak
• 27:16
  in
• 27:16
  your
• 27:17
  own
• 27:17
  voice
• 27:17
  anymore.
• 27:18
  I
• 27:19
  don't
• 27:19
  know.
• 27:19
  Some
• 27:20
  of
• 27:20
  that,
• 27:20
  I
• 27:20
  was
• 27:20
  like,
• 27:20
  ooh,
• 27:21
  ooh.
• 27:21
  And
• 27:21
  then
• 27:21
  when
• 27:22
  everything
• 27:22
  happened,
• 27:22
  I'm
• 27:22
  kind
• 27:22
  of
• 27:23
  like,
• 27:23
  I
• 27:23
  really
• 27:23
  hope
• 27:23
  Batman
• 27:24
  doesn't
• 27:24
  just,
• 27:24
  like,
• 27:25
  beat
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  crap
• 27:25
  out
• 27:25
  of
• 27:26
  this
• 27:26
  guy
• 27:26
  because,
• 27:27
  like,
• 27:27
  I
• 27:27
  was
• 27:27
  kind
• 27:28
  of
• 27:28
  rooting
• 27:28
  for
• 27:28
  him,
• 27:28
  honestly.
• 27:31
  Yeah,
• 27:31
  but
• 27:31
  you
• 27:32
  mentioned
• 27:32
  evil
• 27:32
  mastermind
• 27:33
  also.
• 27:33
  He
• 27:34
  might
• 27:34
  not
• 27:34
  have
• 27:34
  been
• 27:34
  an
• 27:34
  evil
• 27:35
  mastermind,
• 27:35
  but
• 27:35
  there
• 27:35
  was
• 27:36
  an
• 27:36
  evil
• 27:36
  mastermind
• 27:37
  in
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  story.
• 27:39
  For
• 27:39
  those
• 27:39
  who
• 27:39
  aren't
• 27:40
  aware
• 27:40
  of
• 27:40
  who
• 27:41
  Hugo
• 27:42
  Strange
• 27:42
  is,
• 27:42
  could
• 27:43
  you
• 27:43
  kind
• 27:43
  of
• 27:43
  break
• 27:43
  down
• 27:43
  a
• 27:43
  little
• 27:44
  bit?
• 27:44
  Who
• 27:44
  is
• 27:44
  Hugo
• 27:45
  Strange?
• 27:46
  When
• 27:46
  did
• 27:46
  you
• 27:46
  first
• 27:47
  encounter
• 27:47
  him?
• 27:47
  And
• 27:47
  what
• 27:48
  role
• 27:48
  does
• 27:48
  he
• 27:48
  play
• 27:48
  in
• 27:48
  the
• 27:48
  story?
• 27:49
  Yeah,
• 27:50
  I'm
• 27:50
  not
• 27:50
  sure
• 27:50
  I'm
• 27:50
  up
• 27:50
  on
• 27:51
  all
• 27:51
  of
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  different
• 27:51
  Hugo
• 27:52
  Strange
• 27:52
  incarnations,
• 27:53
  but,
• 27:54
  you
• 27:54
  know,
• 27:54
  generally,
• 27:55
  he
• 27:55
  is
• 27:56
  somewhere
• 27:57
  someone
• 27:57
  in
• 27:57
  the
• 27:58
  psychology,
• 27:59
  psychiatry,
• 28:00
  kind
• 28:00
  of
• 28:01
  neuroscience
• 28:01
  kind
• 28:02
  of
• 28:02
  field
• 28:03
  has
• 28:04
  an
• 28:04
  academic
• 28:04
  background
• 28:06
  and
• 28:06
  usually,
• 28:06
  generally
• 28:07
  some
• 28:07
  kind
• 28:07
  of
• 28:07
  clinical
• 28:07
  Background
• 28:08
  along
• 28:08
  with
• 28:08
  that.
• 28:09
  And
• 28:10
  there's
• 28:10
  often
• 28:10
  an
• 28:11
  element
• 28:11
  of
• 28:13
  impersonation
• 28:14
  or,
• 28:14
  you
• 28:14
  know,
• 28:15
  disguise
• 28:15
  to
• 28:16
  his
• 28:16
  stories
• 28:16
  as
• 28:16
  well.
• 28:16
  He's
• 28:17
  usually
• 28:17
  pretending
• 28:17
  to
• 28:17
  be
• 28:18
  somebody
• 28:18
  else.
• 28:19
  I
• 28:19
  think
• 28:20
  he
• 28:20
  might
• 28:20
  be
• 28:20
  most.
• 28:21
  I
• 28:21
  think
• 28:21
  he
• 28:21
  might
• 28:22
  have
• 28:22
  gotten
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  be
• 28:22
  more
• 28:22
  popular
• 28:23
  because
• 28:23
  there
• 28:23
  was
• 28:23
  a
• 28:23
  notable
• 28:24
  storyline
• 28:24
  where
• 28:24
  he
• 28:25
  impersonated
• 28:26
  Batman.
• 28:27
  And
• 28:27
  so
• 28:27
  there's
• 28:27
  like,
• 28:27
  action
• 28:27
  figures
• 28:28
  of
• 28:28
  him
• 28:28
  dressed
• 28:28
  as
• 28:28
  Batman
• 28:29
  and
• 28:29
  all
• 28:30
  this
• 28:30
  kind
• 28:30
  of
• 28:30
  thing.
• 28:31
  So,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  know,
• 28:32
  he's
• 28:32
  kind
• 28:33
  of.
• 28:34
  He's
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  little
• 28:34
  bit
• 28:34
  like
• 28:35
  Scarecrow,
• 28:35
  but
• 28:36
  without
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  fear
• 28:37
  toxin.
• 28:37
  Right.
• 28:37
  He
• 28:37
  just.
• 28:38
  His
• 28:38
  whole
• 28:38
  thing
• 28:38
  is,
• 28:39
  like,
• 28:39
  messing
• 28:39
  with
• 28:39
  people's
• 28:39
  heads
• 28:41
  and
• 28:42
  confusing
• 28:42
  them
• 28:42
  about,
• 28:43
  you
• 28:43
  know,
• 28:43
  almost
• 28:43
  kind
• 28:43
  of
• 28:44
  gaslighting
• 28:44
  people,
• 28:44
  basically
• 28:45
  is
• 28:45
  kind
• 28:45
  of
• 28:45
  his
• 28:45
  M.O.
• 28:47
  and.
• 28:49
  Yeah,
• 28:49
  so
• 28:50
  he's
• 28:50
  been
• 28:50
  in
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  Arkham
• 28:52
  Games,
• 28:52
  as
• 28:52
  you
• 28:53
  show
• 28:53
  here.
• 28:53
  He's
• 28:53
  been
• 28:54
  on
• 28:54
  the
• 28:55
  Animated
• 28:55
  Series
• 28:56
  for
• 28:56
  an
• 28:56
  episode.
• 28:57
  He's
• 28:57
  been.
• 28:58
  He
• 28:58
  was
• 28:58
  on
• 28:58
  the
• 28:59
  Gotham
• 28:59
  TV
• 29:00
  show,
• 29:01
  at
• 29:01
  least
• 29:02
  briefly.
• 29:04
  Yeah.
• 29:04
  So,
• 29:04
  you
• 29:04
  know,
• 29:05
  he's
• 29:05
  one
• 29:05
  of
• 29:05
  these
• 29:06
  characters
• 29:06
  that
• 29:06
  if
• 29:06
  you
• 29:06
  need
• 29:07
  somebody
• 29:07
  in
• 29:08
  that
• 29:08
  vain,
• 29:10
  you
• 29:10
  can
• 29:11
  come
• 29:11
  back.
• 29:11
  I'm
• 29:11
  trying
• 29:12
  to
• 29:12
  remember
• 29:12
  if
• 29:12
  he.
• 29:13
  I
• 29:13
  think
• 29:13
  he
• 29:13
  might
• 29:13
  have
• 29:13
  been
• 29:13
  referenced
• 29:14
  in
• 29:14
  the
• 29:15
  Penguin.
• 29:17
  The
• 29:17
  recent
• 29:18
  Penguin
• 29:18
  show
• 29:18
  as
• 29:18
  well,
• 29:19
  because
• 29:19
  that
• 29:19
  got
• 29:19
  into
• 29:19
  a
• 29:19
  lot
• 29:20
  of,
• 29:20
  like,
• 29:21
  psychiatry
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  people.
• 29:22
  People
• 29:23
  in
• 29:23
  mental
• 29:23
  hospitals
• 29:23
  and
• 29:24
  so
• 29:24
  forth.
• 29:24
  So,
• 29:25
  yeah,
• 29:25
  he's
• 29:25
  kind
• 29:25
  of
• 29:25
  like
• 29:25
  the
• 29:26
  go
• 29:26
  to.
• 29:26
  You
• 29:26
  know,
• 29:26
  just
• 29:27
  like,
• 29:27
  if,
• 29:27
  you
• 29:27
  know,
• 29:27
  if
• 29:27
  there's
• 29:27
  a
• 29:28
  reporter
• 29:29
  involved,
• 29:30
  it's
• 29:30
  going
• 29:30
  to
• 29:30
  be
• 29:31
  Lois
• 29:31
  Lane
• 29:32
  or
• 29:32
  Ben
• 29:33
  Urich,
• 29:33
  depending
• 29:33
  on
• 29:33
  which
• 29:34
  universe
• 29:34
  you're
• 29:34
  in.
• 29:35
  If
• 29:35
  you
• 29:35
  need
• 29:35
  a
• 29:35
  lawyer,
• 29:36
  it's,
• 29:36
  you
• 29:36
  know,
• 29:36
  she,
• 29:37
  Hulk
• 29:37
  or
• 29:37
  Matt
• 29:37
  Murdock,
• 29:38
  whatever.
• 29:38
  If
• 29:38
  you
• 29:38
  need
• 29:38
  it.
• 29:39
  If
• 29:39
  you
• 29:39
  need
• 29:39
  an
• 29:39
  evil
• 29:40
  psychiatrist
• 29:41
  for
• 29:41
  a
• 29:41
  Batman
• 29:41
  story,
• 29:42
  it's
• 29:42
  going
• 29:42
  to
• 29:42
  be
• 29:43
  Hugo
• 29:43
  Strange.
• 29:44
  Yeah,
• 29:44
  yeah,
• 29:44
  yeah,
• 29:44
  yeah,
• 29:45
  man.
• 29:46
  No,
• 29:46
  I
• 29:46
  like
• 29:46
  that.
• 29:47
  I
• 29:47
  loved
• 29:47
  his
• 29:47
  story
• 29:48
  in
• 29:48
  the
• 29:48
  Arkham
• 29:49
  Games.
• 29:50
  Yeah.
• 29:50
  I
• 29:50
  thought.
• 29:50
  See,
• 29:51
  part
• 29:51
  of
• 29:51
  me
• 29:51
  thought
• 29:51
  that
• 29:51
  that
• 29:51
  might
• 29:52
  have
• 29:52
  been
• 29:52
  why
• 29:52
  you
• 29:52
  chose
• 29:52
  him.
• 29:52
  It's
• 29:53
  like,
• 29:53
  I
• 29:53
  thought
• 29:53
  you
• 29:53
  were
• 29:53
  like,
• 29:54
  I
• 29:54
  chose
• 29:54
  this
• 29:54
  book
• 29:55
  because
• 29:55
  of
• 29:55
  how
• 29:55
  they
• 29:55
  portrayed
• 29:56
  the
• 29:56
  scientist,
• 29:56
  you
• 29:56
  know,
• 29:57
  because
• 29:57
  it's
• 29:57
  like
• 29:57
  there
• 29:57
  is
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  little
• 29:58
  bit
• 29:58
  of
• 29:58
  a
• 29:58
  trope
• 29:58
  of
• 29:58
  evil
• 29:59
  scientists.
• 29:59
  Right.
• 30:00
  And
• 30:00
  I'm
• 30:00
  like,
• 30:01
  oh,
• 30:01
  Andy
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  scientist.
• 30:02
  He
• 30:03
  probably
• 30:03
  has
• 30:03
  some
• 30:03
  interesting
• 30:04
  commentary
• 30:04
  on
• 30:04
  why
• 30:04
  this
• 30:04
  happens.
• 30:06
  I
• 30:07
  mean.
• 30:07
  Yeah,
• 30:07
  I
• 30:07
  did
• 30:08
  not
• 30:08
  know.
• 30:08
  I
• 30:09
  didn't
• 30:09
  actually
• 30:09
  read
• 30:09
  that
• 30:09
  far
• 30:10
  ahead
• 30:10
  to
• 30:10
  get
• 30:11
  a
• 30:11
  sense.
• 30:11
  When
• 30:12
  I
• 30:12
  first
• 30:12
  picked
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  book
• 30:12
  to
• 30:12
  get
• 30:13
  a
• 30:13
  sense
• 30:13
  of,
• 30:13
  like,
• 30:13
  who
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  characters
• 30:14
  in
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  story
• 30:15
  would
• 30:15
  be
• 30:15
  other
• 30:15
  than.
• 30:16
  It
• 30:16
  was.
• 30:17
  It
• 30:18
  was
• 30:18
  a
• 30:18
  continuation
• 30:18
  of
• 30:20
  the
• 30:20
  Batman
• 30:21
  film.
• 30:21
  So,
• 30:21
  yeah,
• 30:21
  it
• 30:21
  was
• 30:21
  kind
• 30:22
  of
• 30:22
  a
• 30:22
  surprise
• 30:22
  to
• 30:22
  me
• 30:22
  as
• 30:22
  I
• 30:22
  was
• 30:23
  going
• 30:23
  along
• 30:23
  that
• 30:24
  Clayface
• 30:24
  was
• 30:24
  involved
• 30:25
  and
• 30:25
  that
• 30:25
  Hugo
• 30:26
  Strange
• 30:26
  was
• 30:26
  involved.
• 30:27
  Yeah,
• 30:28
  I
• 30:28
  mean,
• 30:28
  certainly.
• 30:29
  I
• 30:29
  mean,
• 30:30
  there
• 30:31
  are
• 30:31
  certainly
• 30:31
  examples
• 30:32
  from
• 30:33
  you
• 30:34
  know,
• 30:34
  1930s
• 30:35
  Germany
• 30:35
  and
• 30:35
  other
• 30:36
  places,
• 30:37
  people
• 30:37
  misusing
• 30:38
  medical
• 30:39
  science
• 30:39
  and
• 30:40
  psychological
• 30:41
  science
• 30:42
  to
• 30:43
  manipulate
• 30:43
  people
• 30:44
  or
• 30:44
  just,
• 30:45
  you
• 30:45
  know,
• 30:45
  to
• 30:45
  further
• 30:45
  their
• 30:45
  own
• 30:46
  ends.
• 30:46
  And
• 30:47
  so
• 30:47
  I
• 30:47
  think
• 30:47
  that's
• 30:47
  part
• 30:47
  of
• 30:47
  where
• 30:48
  that.
• 30:48
  That
• 30:48
  trope
• 30:48
  comes
• 30:49
  from.
• 30:50
  Especially,
• 30:50
  you
• 30:51
  know,
• 30:51
  if
• 30:51
  you're
• 30:51
  doing
• 30:52
  a
• 30:52
  scientist
• 30:52
  character
• 30:53
  who
• 30:53
  is
• 30:53
  in
• 30:54
  that
• 30:54
  sort
• 30:54
  of
• 30:55
  psychology
• 30:55
  realm
• 30:55
  and
• 30:56
  who
• 30:56
  has
• 30:57
  a
• 30:57
  Teutonic
• 30:58
  background
• 30:58
  of
• 30:58
  sorts.
• 30:59
  Right.
• 30:59
  That's
• 30:59
  an
• 30:59
  easy,
• 31:00
  Easy
• 31:00
  character
• 31:02
  to
• 31:03
  fall
• 31:03
  into,
• 31:05
  you
• 31:05
  know,
• 31:05
  and
• 31:05
  they're
• 31:05
  just.
• 31:06
  I
• 31:06
  mean,
• 31:07
  you
• 31:07
  know,
• 31:07
  we
• 31:08
  don't
• 31:08
  have
• 31:08
  to
• 31:08
  go
• 31:08
  into
• 31:08
  a
• 31:08
  lot
• 31:08
  of
• 31:08
  it.
• 31:09
  But,
• 31:09
  you
• 31:09
  know,
• 31:09
  there's
• 31:09
  a
• 31:09
  lot
• 31:09
  of
• 31:10
  uncertainty
• 31:10
  about
• 31:11
  scientists
• 31:12
  and
• 31:13
  whether
• 31:13
  they
• 31:14
  have
• 31:14
  what
• 31:15
  their
• 31:15
  real
• 31:15
  motives
• 31:15
  are
• 31:16
  and,
• 31:16
  you
• 31:16
  know,
• 31:16
  whether
• 31:17
  it's
• 31:17
  appropriate
• 31:17
  to
• 31:18
  exercise
• 31:18
  that
• 31:19
  level
• 31:19
  of
• 31:19
  control
• 31:19
  over
• 31:20
  the
• 31:21
  world
• 31:21
  around
• 31:21
  us.
• 31:22
  And
• 31:22
  so,
• 31:22
  you
• 31:22
  know,
• 31:23
  I
• 31:23
  can
• 31:23
  understand
• 31:23
  why
• 31:24
  sometimes
• 31:24
  that
• 31:25
  raises
• 31:26
  questions
• 31:26
  in
• 31:26
  people's
• 31:26
  minds.
• 31:27
  I
• 31:27
  think
• 31:27
  it's
• 31:27
  unfortunate
• 31:27
  that,
• 31:28
  you
• 31:28
  know,
• 31:29
  it's.
• 31:29
  It's
• 31:30
  pretty
• 31:30
  easy
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  think
• 31:31
  of
• 31:32
  stories
• 31:32
  in
• 31:32
  which
• 31:33
  the
• 31:33
  scientist
• 31:33
  goes.
• 31:34
  Goes
• 31:34
  wrong
• 31:35
  or
• 31:35
  goes
• 31:35
  bad
• 31:35
  or,
• 31:36
  you
• 31:36
  know,
• 31:36
  it's
• 31:36
  evil
• 31:36
  from
• 31:36
  the
• 31:36
  start.
• 31:37
  You
• 31:38
  know,
• 31:38
  I
• 31:38
  think
• 31:38
  you
• 31:38
  probably
• 31:38
  rattle
• 31:39
  off
• 31:39
  a
• 31:39
  lot
• 31:39
  more
• 31:39
  of
• 31:39
  those
• 31:39
  off
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  top
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  your
• 31:40
  head
• 31:40
  before
• 31:40
  you
• 31:40
  come
• 31:41
  up
• 31:41
  with
• 31:41
  characters
• 31:42
  where
• 31:42
  scientists
• 31:42
  are
• 31:43
  the
• 31:43
  heroes.
• 31:43
  But,
• 31:44
  you
• 31:44
  know,
• 31:45
  such
• 31:45
  as
• 31:46
  it
• 31:46
  is.
• 31:46
  Yeah,
• 31:47
  I
• 31:47
  mean,
• 31:47
  it's
• 31:47
  interesting.
• 31:48
  You
• 31:48
  know,
• 31:49
  it's
• 31:50
  funny
• 31:50
  because
• 31:50
  I'm
• 31:51
  really
• 31:51
  anti
• 31:51
  Iron
• 31:51
  Man,
• 31:52
  I
• 31:52
  think,
• 31:52
  you
• 31:52
  know,
• 31:52
  that.
• 31:53
  Like,
• 31:54
  Bruce
• 31:54
  Baner,
• 31:55
  fantastic.
• 31:55
  You
• 31:55
  know,
• 31:55
  Mr.
• 31:56
  Fantastic.
• 31:56
  I
• 31:56
  think
• 31:56
  they're
• 31:57
  some
• 31:57
  of,
• 31:57
  like,
• 31:57
  the
• 31:57
  few,
• 31:57
  like,
• 31:58
  where
• 31:58
  I'm
• 31:58
  like,
• 31:58
  oh,
• 31:58
  yeah,
• 31:59
  good
• 31:59
  guy,
• 31:59
  scientist.
• 32:00
  But,
• 32:00
  yeah,
• 32:00
  a
• 32:01
  lot
• 32:01
  of
• 32:01
  times,
• 32:01
  same
• 32:02
  thing
• 32:02
  happens
• 32:02
  with
• 32:02
  priests,
• 32:03
  too.
• 32:03
  You
• 32:03
  know,
• 32:03
  usually
• 32:04
  when
• 32:04
  you
• 32:04
  see
• 32:04
  priests,
• 32:04
  they
• 32:05
  end
• 32:05
  up
• 32:05
  being,
• 32:05
  like,
• 32:06
  bad
• 32:06
  guy,
• 32:07
  or,
• 32:07
  like,
• 32:07
  secretly,
• 32:08
  you
• 32:08
  know,
• 32:08
  they're
• 32:08
  doing
• 32:08
  this
• 32:08
  other
• 32:09
  thing
• 32:09
  or
• 32:09
  whatever.
• 32:10
  It's
• 32:10
  actually
• 32:10
  like,
• 32:11
  I'm
• 32:11
  rewatching
• 32:12
  Dead
• 32:12
  Daredevil
• 32:13
  because,
• 32:13
  you
• 32:13
  know,
• 32:13
  the
• 32:14
  new
• 32:14
  series
• 32:14
  starts
• 32:14
  the
• 32:14
  day
• 32:14
  we're
• 32:15
  recording
• 32:15
  this,
• 32:16
  and
• 32:16
  I'm
• 32:16
  like,
• 32:16
  man,
• 32:16
  it
• 32:17
  is
• 32:17
  just
• 32:17
  so
• 32:17
  surprising
• 32:18
  that
• 32:19
  popular
• 32:19
  television
• 32:20
  did
• 32:20
  such
• 32:20
  a
• 32:21
  good
• 32:21
  portrayal
• 32:22
  of
• 32:22
  some
• 32:23
  religious
• 32:23
  people.
• 32:23
  You
• 32:24
  know,
• 32:24
  like,
• 32:24
  Catholics
• 32:24
  are
• 32:24
  usually
• 32:25
  bad
• 32:25
  guys
• 32:25
  secretly
• 32:26
  or
• 32:26
  something.
• 32:26
  You
• 32:26
  know,
• 32:26
  like,
• 32:27
  what's
• 32:27
  the
• 32:27
  nun?
• 32:27
  And
• 32:28
  you're
• 32:28
  like,
• 32:28
  yeah,
• 32:28
  okay,
• 32:28
  that's
• 32:29
  what
• 32:29
  the
• 32:30
  world
• 32:30
  thinks
• 32:30
  of
• 32:30
  us.
• 32:30
  But,
• 32:31
  yeah,
• 32:32
  so
• 32:32
  it's
• 32:32
  nice
• 32:32
  when
• 32:32
  you
• 32:32
  have
• 32:33
  the
• 32:33
  opposite.
• 32:34
  Unfortunately,
• 32:34
  that's
• 32:34
  not
• 32:34
  what
• 32:35
  we
• 32:35
  have
• 32:35
  here.
• 32:35
  We
• 32:35
  do
• 32:35
  have
• 32:36
  scientist
• 32:36
  bad
• 32:36
  guy.
• 32:38
  Yeah.
• 32:38
  Although
• 32:39
  there
• 32:39
  is,
• 32:39
  you
• 32:39
  know,
• 32:39
  there
• 32:40
  is
• 32:40
  a
• 32:41
  physician
• 32:41
  in
• 32:42
  the
• 32:42
  smilex
• 32:42
  ward
• 32:43
  of
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  hospital
• 32:43
  that
• 32:44
  is
• 32:44
  working
• 32:44
  with
• 32:44
  Bruce
• 32:44
  Wayne,
• 32:45
  who
• 32:45
  is.
• 32:45
  Oh,
• 32:45
  yeah,
• 32:46
  a
• 32:46
  positive
• 32:48
  character
• 32:48
  in
• 32:48
  this.
• 32:49
  In
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  story
• 32:49
  and
• 32:49
  who
• 32:49
  is
• 32:49
  actually
• 32:50
  generally
• 32:51
  helping
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  Smile
• 32:52
  X
• 32:52
  victims
• 32:52
  and,
• 32:53
  you
• 32:53
  know,
• 32:53
  compassionate
• 32:54
  towards
• 32:54
  them
• 32:54
  and
• 32:54
  trying
• 32:55
  to
• 32:56
  provide
• 32:56
  them
• 32:56
  with
• 32:57
  Better.
• 32:58
  A
• 32:58
  better
• 32:58
  future.
• 32:59
  Nice.
• 32:59
  Yeah,
• 33:00
  yeah,
• 33:00
  I
• 33:01
  forgot
• 33:01
  about
• 33:01
  that.
• 33:01
  A
• 33:01
  way
• 33:02
  to
• 33:02
  find
• 33:02
  the
• 33:02
  good.
• 33:02
  Going
• 33:03
  back
• 33:03
  to
• 33:03
  our,
• 33:03
  you
• 33:03
  know,
• 33:03
  our
• 33:04
  annual
• 33:04
  theme
• 33:04
  this
• 33:04
  year.
• 33:05
  You
• 33:05
  found
• 33:06
  it.
• 33:06
  Oh,
• 33:07
  man.
• 33:07
  But
• 33:08
  so
• 33:08
  this
• 33:08
  story
• 33:08
  as
• 33:08
  a
• 33:09
  whole,
• 33:09
  before
• 33:09
  we
• 33:09
  get
• 33:09
  into
• 33:09
  some
• 33:09
  like
• 33:10
  the
• 33:10
  deeper
• 33:10
  themes
• 33:10
  and
• 33:10
  stuff
• 33:10
  we
• 33:10
  want
• 33:10
  to
• 33:11
  talk
• 33:11
  about,
• 33:11
  if
• 33:11
  you
• 33:11
  had
• 33:11
  to
• 33:11
  rate
• 33:11
  it
• 33:12
  0
• 33:12
  to
• 33:12
  10,
• 33:13
  where,
• 33:13
  where
• 33:13
  would
• 33:13
  you
• 33:13
  rate
• 33:14
  this
• 33:14
  particular
• 33:15
  story?
• 33:16
  Yeah,
• 33:16
  I'd
• 33:16
  probably
• 33:17
  put
• 33:17
  it
• 33:18
  like
• 33:18
  six
• 33:18
  or
• 33:19
  seven.
• 33:19
  All
• 33:19
  right.
• 33:20
  Yeah,
• 33:20
  I
• 33:20
  was
• 33:20
  thinking
• 33:20
  like
• 33:20
  seven
• 33:21
  or
• 33:21
  eight.
• 33:21
  I
• 33:21
  liked
• 33:21
  it
• 33:21
  a
• 33:21
  lot.
• 33:22
  It's
• 33:22
  not
• 33:22
  like
• 33:23
  my
• 33:23
  favorite
• 33:23
  audiobook
• 33:24
  or
• 33:24
  anything,
• 33:24
  but
• 33:25
  I
• 33:25
  liked
• 33:25
  it
• 33:25
  a
• 33:25
  lot.
• 33:25
  I
• 33:26
  would
• 33:26
  probably
• 33:26
  listen
• 33:26
  to
• 33:27
  it
• 33:27
  again.
• 33:27
  I'd
• 33:27
  be
• 33:28
  down,
• 33:28
  you
• 33:28
  know,
• 33:29
  just
• 33:30
  the.
• 33:30
  Other
• 33:30
  day
• 33:30
  they
• 33:31
  announced
• 33:31
  a
• 33:31
  sequel
• 33:32
  and
• 33:32
  I'm
• 33:32
  definitely
• 33:33
  curious
• 33:33
  to
• 33:33
  check
• 33:34
  that
• 33:34
  out.
• 33:34
  So.
• 33:35
  Yeah,
• 33:35
  yeah,
• 33:35
  I'm
• 33:36
  totally
• 33:36
  down
• 33:36
  for
• 33:36
  that.
• 33:37
  Yeah.
• 33:37
  Because
• 33:37
  this,
• 33:37
  it
• 33:37
  was
• 33:38
  good.
• 33:38
  It
• 33:38
  was
• 33:38
  good
• 33:38
  enough
• 33:39
  that
• 33:39
  it
• 33:39
  was
• 33:39
  worth
• 33:39
  my
• 33:39
  time.
• 33:40
  That's
• 33:40
  what
• 33:41
  I'll
• 33:41
  say.
• 33:41
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  See,
• 33:43
  being
• 33:43
  of
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  deeper
• 33:43
  themes,
• 33:44
  so
• 33:44
  this
• 33:44
  part
• 33:44
  of
• 33:44
  what
• 33:45
  I
• 33:45
  really
• 33:45
  liked
• 33:45
  was
• 33:45
  how
• 33:45
  they
• 33:46
  did
• 33:46
  kind
• 33:46
  of
• 33:46
  pick
• 33:46
  at
• 33:46
  these
• 33:46
  themes.
• 33:47
  You
• 33:47
  know,
• 33:47
  you
• 33:47
  have
• 33:47
  a
• 33:47
  lot
• 33:47
  of
• 33:48
  this,
• 33:48
  like,
• 33:48
  dealing
• 33:49
  with
• 33:49
  our
• 33:49
  own
• 33:49
  limits.
• 33:50
  What
• 33:50
  is
• 33:50
  Batman's
• 33:50
  limit?
• 33:51
  Is
• 33:51
  he
• 33:51
  pushing
• 33:51
  himself
• 33:52
  too
• 33:52
  far?
• 33:52
  Our
• 33:52
  own
• 33:52
  finitude,
• 33:53
  like,
• 33:53
  you
• 33:53
  won't
• 33:54
  be
• 33:54
  here
• 33:54
  forever
• 33:54
  kind
• 33:54
  of
• 33:55
  stuff.
• 33:56
  I
• 33:56
  liked
• 33:56
  those
• 33:57
  themes.
• 33:57
  Some
• 33:58
  of
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  other
• 33:58
  themes
• 33:58
  that
• 33:59
  actually
• 33:59
  I
• 33:59
  liked
• 33:59
  better
• 34:00
  was
• 34:00
  kind
• 34:00
  of
• 34:00
  like
• 34:00
  had
• 34:01
  to
• 34:01
  do
• 34:01
  with
• 34:01
  the
• 34:01
  fallout.
• 34:01
  So
• 34:02
  we
• 34:02
  saw
• 34:02
  what
• 34:02
  Joker
• 34:02
  did
• 34:02
  with
• 34:02
  Smilix,
• 34:03
  how
• 34:03
  it
• 34:03
  impacted
• 34:03
  the
• 34:04
  whole
• 34:04
  city
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  Gotham.
• 34:05
  And
• 34:05
  then
• 34:05
  we
• 34:05
  see
• 34:06
  like
• 34:06
  how
• 34:07
  systemic
• 34:07
  sin
• 34:08
  works,
• 34:08
  right?
• 34:08
  Like
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  way
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  system
• 34:09
  itself
• 34:10
  is
• 34:10
  set
• 34:10
  up.
• 34:11
  People
• 34:12
  like
• 34:12
  Barlows
• 34:13
  just
• 34:14
  can't
• 34:14
  get
• 34:14
  ahead,
• 34:15
  right?
• 34:15
  Like
• 34:15
  he's
• 34:16
  already
• 34:16
  working,
• 34:17
  trying
• 34:17
  to
• 34:17
  make
• 34:17
  himself
• 34:18
  as
• 34:18
  an
• 34:18
  actor.
• 34:18
  He
• 34:18
  can't
• 34:18
  really
• 34:18
  do
• 34:19
  it.
• 34:19
  And
• 34:19
  then
• 34:19
  because
• 34:19
  something
• 34:19
  someone
• 34:20
  else
• 34:20
  not
• 34:20
  related
• 34:21
  to
• 34:21
  him
• 34:21
  did,
• 34:21
  his
• 34:22
  mind
• 34:22
  gets
• 34:22
  warped,
• 34:23
  his
• 34:23
  body
• 34:23
  gets
• 34:23
  warped.
• 34:24
  He's
• 34:24
  painted
• 34:24
  a
• 34:25
  villain.
• 34:25
  And
• 34:26
  even
• 34:26
  if
• 34:26
  he
• 34:26
  does
• 34:26
  change
• 34:27
  his
• 34:27
  ways,
• 34:27
  which
• 34:27
  he
• 34:27
  does
• 34:28
  in
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  book.
• 34:28
  Spoiler.
• 34:29
  And
• 34:29
  I
• 34:29
  like
• 34:29
  what
• 34:29
  happened
• 34:30
  to
• 34:30
  him.
• 34:30
  You
• 34:30
  also,
• 34:31
  you
• 34:31
  just
• 34:31
  realize
• 34:31
  that,
• 34:32
  like,
• 34:32
  it's
• 34:33
  hard
• 34:33
  to
• 34:33
  imagine
• 34:33
  a
• 34:34
  true
• 34:34
  happy
• 34:34
  ending
• 34:34
  for
• 34:35
  this
• 34:35
  guy,
• 34:35
  right?
• 34:35
  Like
• 34:35
  his
• 34:35
  body
• 34:36
  might
• 34:36
  never
• 34:36
  be
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  same.
• 34:38
  And
• 34:38
  even
• 34:38
  if
• 34:38
  it
• 34:38
  is,
• 34:39
  what,
• 34:40
  he's
• 34:40
  just
• 34:40
  going
• 34:40
  to
• 34:40
  go
• 34:40
  back
• 34:41
  to
• 34:41
  being
• 34:41
  the
• 34:41
  kind
• 34:41
  of
• 34:41
  person
• 34:42
  who
• 34:42
  is
• 34:42
  so
• 34:43
  down
• 34:43
  the
• 34:43
  podempo,
• 34:44
  like
• 34:44
  down,
• 34:45
  you
• 34:45
  know,
• 34:45
  class
• 34:46
  wise
• 34:46
  in
• 34:46
  Gotham
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  he's
• 34:47
  forced
• 34:47
  to
• 34:47
  like,
• 34:49
  do
• 34:49
  whatever
• 34:49
  he
• 34:49
  can
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  scrape
• 34:50
  by.
• 34:52
  And
• 34:52
  then
• 34:52
  that's
• 34:53
  where
• 34:53
  one
• 34:54
  of
• 34:54
  the
• 34:54
  positive
• 34:54
  things
• 34:54
  that
• 34:55
  Batman
• 34:55
  does
• 34:55
  in
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  story
• 34:56
  is
• 34:56
  like,
• 34:56
  it
• 34:56
  actually
• 34:56
  shows
• 34:57
  Bruce
• 34:57
  Wayne
• 34:58
  using
• 34:58
  his
• 34:59
  wealth
• 34:59
  for
• 34:59
  good,
• 35:00
  showing
• 35:00
  that,
• 35:01
  yeah,
• 35:01
  systemic
• 35:02
  problems
• 35:02
  are
• 35:02
  just
• 35:02
  as
• 35:02
  important
• 35:03
  as
• 35:03
  punching
• 35:03
  the
• 35:03
  bad
• 35:03
  guy.
• 35:04
  In
• 35:04
  the
• 35:04
  face
• 35:05
  and,
• 35:05
  you
• 35:06
  know,
• 35:06
  funding
• 35:06
  research
• 35:07
  for
• 35:07
  smiling.
• 35:07
  All
• 35:08
  this
• 35:08
  stuff,
• 35:08
  like
• 35:09
  actually
• 35:09
  finding
• 35:10
  a
• 35:10
  way
• 35:10
  that
• 35:10
  our
• 35:11
  systems
• 35:11
  are
• 35:11
  flawed
• 35:12
  and
• 35:12
  trying
• 35:12
  to
• 35:13
  fix
• 35:13
  that
• 35:14
  is
• 35:15
  just
• 35:15
  as
• 35:15
  important
• 35:16
  as
• 35:17
  other
• 35:17
  superheroics,
• 35:18
  I
• 35:18
  guess.
• 35:19
  What
• 35:20
  did
• 35:20
  you
• 35:20
  think
• 35:20
  of
• 35:20
  that
• 35:21
  part
• 35:21
  of
• 35:21
  the
• 35:21
  storyline?
• 35:21
  Just
• 35:21
  kind
• 35:22
  of
• 35:22
  dealing
• 35:22
  out
• 35:22
  with
• 35:22
  fallout
• 35:23
  and
• 35:24
  systemic
• 35:25
  problems?
• 36:59
  Yeah,
• 36:59
  I
• 36:59
  mean,
• 37:00
  I
• 37:00
  think
• 37:00
  that's
• 37:00
  a.
• 37:02
  I
• 37:02
  think
• 37:02
  I've
• 37:02
  discussed
• 37:03
  this
• 37:03
  on
• 37:03
  the
• 37:03
  podcast
• 37:03
  before.
• 37:04
  It's
• 37:04
  a
• 37:04
  popular
• 37:05
  criticism
• 37:05
  of
• 37:05
  Batman
• 37:06
  that
• 37:06
  why
• 37:06
  doesn't
• 37:07
  he
• 37:07
  use
• 37:07
  his
• 37:07
  money
• 37:08
  to
• 37:08
  fix
• 37:09
  problems
• 37:09
  instead
• 37:09
  of
• 37:09
  just
• 37:10
  punching
• 37:10
  people?
• 37:11
  And
• 37:12
  there's
• 37:12
  a
• 37:12
  long
• 37:12
  history
• 37:12
  of
• 37:13
  him
• 37:13
  doing
• 37:13
  both,
• 37:14
  and
• 37:14
  this
• 37:14
  is
• 37:15
  yet
• 37:15
  another
• 37:15
  example
• 37:15
  of
• 37:15
  that.
• 37:16
  So
• 37:16
  the
• 37:16
  smilex
• 37:17
  Ward
• 37:17
  that
• 37:17
  I
• 37:17
  mentioned,
• 37:18
  he's
• 37:18
  the
• 37:18
  main,
• 37:19
  if
• 37:19
  not
• 37:19
  sole,
• 37:21
  funding
• 37:21
  source
• 37:21
  for
• 37:22
  that.
• 37:22
  He's
• 37:23
  making
• 37:23
  sure
• 37:23
  that
• 37:24
  these
• 37:24
  people
• 37:24
  get
• 37:25
  the
• 37:25
  treatment
• 37:25
  that
• 37:26
  is
• 37:26
  available,
• 37:27
  the
• 37:28
  best
• 37:28
  that
• 37:28
  might
• 37:28
  be
• 37:28
  available.
• 37:29
  It's
• 37:30
  a
• 37:30
  new
• 37:30
  condition.
• 37:31
  They're
• 37:31
  still
• 37:31
  trying
• 37:31
  to
• 37:31
  figure
• 37:32
  things
• 37:32
  out.
• 37:32
  They
• 37:32
  don't
• 37:32
  have
• 37:32
  all
• 37:32
  the
• 37:33
  solutions,
• 37:33
  but
• 37:33
  they're
• 37:34
  making
• 37:34
  the
• 37:34
  effort
• 37:35
  to
• 37:35
  assist
• 37:36
  these
• 37:36
  people
• 37:36
  as
• 37:36
  best
• 37:37
  they
• 37:37
  can.
• 37:38
  And
• 37:38
  he
• 37:38
  cares
• 37:39
  about
• 37:39
  that.
• 37:39
  And
• 37:39
  he.
• 37:40
  He
• 37:40
  comes
• 37:41
  by
• 37:41
  the
• 37:41
  smilex
• 37:41
  Ward
• 37:42
  and
• 37:42
  checks
• 37:42
  in
• 37:42
  on
• 37:42
  people
• 37:43
  and
• 37:43
  knows
• 37:43
  some
• 37:43
  of
• 37:43
  the
• 37:43
  people
• 37:44
  by
• 37:44
  name.
• 37:45
  He's
• 37:45
  not
• 37:45
  just
• 37:45
  writing
• 37:45
  a
• 37:45
  check,
• 37:46
  but
• 37:46
  he
• 37:46
  is
• 37:48
  more
• 37:48
  personally
• 37:48
  engaged
• 37:49
  with
• 37:49
  that.
• 37:49
  And
• 37:49
  I
• 37:49
  think
• 37:49
  that's
• 37:50
  positive
• 37:50
  to
• 37:50
  see.
• 37:52
  And
• 37:52
  there
• 37:52
  is
• 37:53
  going
• 37:54
  back
• 37:54
  to
• 37:54
  the
• 37:54
  film
• 37:55
  and
• 37:56
  the
• 37:56
  world
• 37:56
  that
• 37:56
  Tim
• 37:56
  Burton
• 37:56
  created.
• 37:57
  It
• 37:57
  definitely
• 37:58
  is
• 37:58
  that
• 37:58
  kind
• 37:58
  of.
• 37:59
  There's
• 38:00
  the
• 38:00
  1%
• 38:01
  of
• 38:01
  the
• 38:01
  1%,
• 38:01
  and
• 38:02
  then
• 38:02
  there's
• 38:03
  everybody
• 38:04
  else
• 38:04
  just
• 38:04
  sort
• 38:04
  of
• 38:04
  scraping
• 38:05
  by.
• 38:06
  And
• 38:07
  so
• 38:08
  it
• 38:08
  is
• 38:09
  an
• 38:09
  environment
• 38:09
  that's
• 38:10
  very
• 38:10
  much
• 38:10
  set
• 38:10
  up
• 38:10
  to
• 38:11
  tell
• 38:11
  those
• 38:11
  kinds
• 38:11
  of
• 38:12
  stories
• 38:13
  where
• 38:14
  nobody
• 38:14
  has.
• 38:16
  There
• 38:16
  just
• 38:16
  aren't
• 38:16
  that
• 38:17
  many
• 38:17
  opportunities
• 38:17
  to
• 38:17
  go
• 38:18
  around.
• 38:18
  And
• 38:19
  they
• 38:19
  use
• 38:20
  that
• 38:20
  to
• 38:20
  start
• 38:20
  seeding
• 38:21
  some
• 38:22
  of
• 38:22
  the
• 38:22
  plot
• 38:23
  threads
• 38:23
  that
• 38:23
  will
• 38:23
  eventually
• 38:24
  become
• 38:25
  Batman
• 38:25
  Returns
• 38:26
  as
• 38:26
  well.
• 38:27
  So
• 38:27
  it's
• 38:27
  not
• 38:27
  just
• 38:27
  looking
• 38:28
  back,
• 38:28
  it's
• 38:28
  also
• 38:28
  looking
• 38:29
  forward.
• 38:29
  And
• 38:30
  so
• 38:30
  Selina
• 38:30
  Kyle's
• 38:31
  kind
• 38:31
  of
• 38:31
  caught
• 38:31
  up
• 38:31
  in
• 38:31
  all
• 38:31
  that,
• 38:32
  and
• 38:32
  that's
• 38:32
  something
• 38:32
  that
• 38:33
  the
• 38:33
  second
• 38:34
  film
• 38:34
  explores
• 37:02
  further.
• 38:37
  I'm
• 38:37
  a
• 38:37
  little
• 38:37
  bit
• 38:38
  torn
• 38:38
  on
• 38:38
  the
• 38:38
  idea
• 38:40
  that
• 38:42
  he's
• 38:42
  entirely
• 38:43
  a
• 38:43
  victim
• 38:43
  in
• 38:43
  this
• 38:44
  situation,
• 38:44
  because
• 38:47
  Basil
• 38:47
  did
• 38:49
  play
• 38:49
  a
• 38:49
  little
• 38:49
  bit
• 38:49
  fast
• 38:49
  and
• 38:50
  loose
• 38:50
  with
• 38:50
  the
• 38:50
  request
• 38:51
  that
• 38:51
  was
• 38:51
  made
• 38:51
  of
• 38:51
  him
• 38:51
  to
• 38:52
  source
• 38:53
  stage
• 38:54
  makeup.
• 38:55
  And
• 38:56
  he
• 38:57
  was
• 38:58
  interested
• 38:58
  in
• 38:58
  sabotaging
• 38:59
  the
• 38:59
  career
• 38:59
  of
• 39:00
  this
• 39:00
  actor
• 39:02
  who
• 39:03
  he
• 39:04
  was
• 39:04
  the
• 39:05
  understudy
• 39:05
  to
• 39:05
  or
• 39:05
  what
• 39:06
  have
• 39:06
  you.
• 39:06
  So,
• 39:07
  you
• 39:07
  know,
• 39:07
  I'm
• 39:08
  not
• 39:08
  sure
• 39:08
  that
• 39:08
  his.
• 39:09
  Yeah,
• 39:09
  he's
• 39:09
  not
• 39:10
  completely
• 39:10
  without
• 39:10
  fault.
• 39:11
  Yeah,
• 39:13
  he's
• 39:13
  not
• 39:14
  totally
• 39:15
  unrelated
• 39:15
  to
• 39:16
  the
• 39:16
  events
• 39:16
  that
• 39:16
  happened,
• 39:16
  but
• 39:17
  it
• 39:18
  is
• 39:18
  out
• 39:18
  of
• 39:18
  proportion
• 39:19
  to
• 39:19
  the
• 39:20
  choices
• 39:20
  that
• 39:20
  he
• 39:20
  made.
• 39:21
  And
• 39:21
  the
• 39:22
  things
• 39:22
  that
• 39:22
  happened
• 39:22
  to
• 39:23
  him
• 39:23
  were
• 39:23
  not
• 39:23
  all
• 39:24
  of
• 39:24
  his.
• 39:25
  Of
• 39:26
  his
• 39:26
  making.
• 39:26
  Yeah,
• 39:27
  yeah.
• 39:27
  I
• 39:27
  mean,
• 39:27
  even,
• 39:27
  like,
• 39:27
  when
• 39:27
  he
• 39:28
  was
• 39:28
  being
• 39:28
  the
• 39:28
  joker,
• 39:28
  he
• 39:28
  definitely
• 39:29
  did
• 39:29
  some
• 39:29
  stuff
• 39:29
  that
• 39:29
  you're
• 39:29
  like,
• 39:29
  yeah,
• 39:30
  you
• 39:30
  didn't
• 39:30
  have
• 39:30
  to
• 39:30
  do
• 39:31
  that.
• 39:31
  Right?
• 39:32
  And
• 39:33
  like,
• 39:33
  you
• 39:33
  said,
• 39:33
  like,
• 39:33
  he
• 39:34
  wanted
• 39:34
  to
• 39:34
  sabotage
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  guy's
• 39:35
  career,
• 39:36
  but
• 39:36
  it
• 39:36
  was
• 39:36
  like,
• 39:37
  everything
• 39:37
  just
• 39:37
  ended
• 39:37
  up
• 39:38
  being
• 39:38
  blown
• 39:38
  out
• 39:38
  of
• 39:38
  proportion.
• 39:39
  Like,
• 39:39
  and
• 39:39
  maybe
• 39:40
  that's
• 39:40
  its
• 39:40
  own
• 39:40
  separate
• 39:41
  commentary
• 39:41
  that,
• 39:42
  you
• 39:42
  know,
• 39:42
  obviously
• 39:43
  this
• 39:43
  isn't
• 39:43
  a
• 39:43
  Christian
• 39:44
  book,
• 39:44
  so
• 39:44
  it's
• 39:44
  not
• 39:44
  about
• 39:44
  Christian
• 39:45
  ideas,
• 39:45
  but,
• 39:45
  like,
• 39:45
  when
• 39:46
  we
• 39:46
  think
• 39:46
  of,
• 39:46
  like,
• 39:46
  sin
• 39:46
  too,
• 39:47
  you
• 39:47
  know,
• 39:48
  I
• 39:48
  reminded
• 39:48
  of
• 39:48
  the
• 39:48
  one
• 39:49
  veggietale
• 39:49
  episode
• 39:49
  with
• 39:50
  Larry,
• 39:50
  boy,
• 39:51
  what
• 39:51
  a
• 39:51
  little
• 39:51
  white
• 39:51
  lie
• 39:52
  can
• 39:52
  turn
• 39:52
  into,
• 39:52
  or
• 39:52
  whatever.
• 39:52
  You
• 39:53
  know,
• 39:53
  like,
• 39:53
  sometimes
• 39:54
  you
• 39:54
  do,
• 39:54
  like,
• 39:54
  a
• 39:55
  small
• 39:55
  thing
• 39:55
  because
• 39:55
  you're
• 39:55
  like,
• 39:55
  it's
• 39:56
  not
• 39:56
  that
• 39:56
  big
• 39:56
  of
• 39:56
  a
• 39:56
  deal.
• 39:57
  And
• 39:57
  then
• 39:57
  it
• 39:57
  turns
• 39:58
  out
• 39:58
  to
• 39:58
  be
• 39:58
  a
• 39:58
  big
• 39:58
  deal,
• 39:58
  and
• 39:58
  you're
• 39:59
  like,
• 39:59
  crap,
• 39:59
  I
• 39:59
  can't
• 40:00
  take
• 40:00
  this
• 40:00
  back.
• 40:00
  Now
• 40:00
  what
• 40:01
  do
• 40:01
  I
• 40:01
  do?
• 40:02
  And
• 40:02
  that's
• 40:02
  where
• 40:02
  I'm
• 40:02
  like,
• 40:03
  you
• 40:03
  know,
• 40:03
  maybe
• 40:03
  it's
• 40:03
  just
• 40:04
  good
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  try
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  do
• 40:04
  the
• 40:04
  right
• 40:05
  thing
• 40:05
  all
• 40:05
  the
• 40:05
  time
• 40:05
  anyway.
• 40:07
  But,
• 40:07
  yeah,
• 40:07
  like,
• 40:07
  going
• 40:08
  back
• 40:08
  to
• 40:08
  what
• 40:08
  you
• 40:08
  were
• 40:08
  saying,
• 40:08
  though,
• 40:09
  like,
• 40:09
  it
• 40:09
  was
• 40:09
  out
• 40:10
  of
• 40:10
  proportion,
• 40:11
  like,
• 40:11
  the
• 40:11
  consequences
• 40:12
  of
• 40:13
  what
• 40:13
  happened
• 40:13
  to
• 40:13
  them.
• 40:13
  And
• 40:13
  that
• 40:14
  had
• 40:14
  to
• 40:14
  do
• 40:14
  with,
• 40:14
  like,
• 40:14
  the
• 40:14
  systemic
• 40:15
  stuff
• 40:15
  we
• 40:15
  were
• 40:15
  both
• 40:16
  mentioning.
• 40:17
  Like,
• 40:18
  bring
• 40:18
  that
• 40:18
  to
• 40:18
  real
• 40:18
  world.
• 40:19
  It's
• 40:19
  just
• 40:19
  like,
• 40:20
  you
• 40:20
  see,
• 40:20
  like,
• 40:20
  certain
• 40:21
  crimes
• 40:21
  that
• 40:22
  I
• 40:22
  would
• 40:22
  still
• 40:22
  would
• 40:22
  say
• 40:22
  is
• 40:22
  a
• 40:23
  crime.
• 40:23
  It
• 40:23
  is
• 40:23
  crime.
• 40:24
  You
• 40:24
  know,
• 40:24
  certain
• 40:24
  drugs
• 40:25
  are
• 40:25
  illegal
• 40:26
  in
• 40:26
  America.
• 40:27
  But
• 40:27
  it's
• 40:27
  interesting
• 40:28
  how
• 40:28
  the
• 40:28
  kind
• 40:28
  of
• 40:28
  drugs
• 40:29
  that
• 40:29
  typically
• 40:30
  white
• 40:30
  people
• 40:30
  tend
• 40:31
  to
• 40:31
  illegally
• 40:32
  participate
• 40:33
  in,
• 40:33
  as
• 40:33
  opposed
• 40:33
  to
• 40:34
  how
• 40:34
  black
• 40:34
  people
• 40:35
  participate
• 40:36
  in,
• 40:36
  you
• 40:36
  see,
• 40:36
  like,
• 40:37
  the
• 40:37
  punishment
• 40:38
  is
• 40:38
  disproportionate,
• 40:39
  and
• 40:39
  it's
• 40:40
  kind
• 40:40
  of
• 40:40
  like,
• 40:40
  well,
• 40:41
  sometimes
• 40:41
  when
• 40:41
  the
• 40:42
  system's
• 40:42
  set
• 40:42
  up
• 40:42
  that
• 40:42
  way,
• 40:43
  like,
• 40:44
  you
• 40:44
  know,
• 40:44
  I
• 40:44
  mean,
• 40:44
  like,
• 40:44
  it's
• 40:44
  still,
• 40:45
  hey,
• 40:45
  maybe
• 40:45
  let's
• 40:45
  not
• 40:45
  have
• 40:46
  illegal
• 40:46
  drugs.
• 40:46
  But
• 40:47
  at
• 40:47
  the
• 40:47
  same
• 40:47
  time,
• 40:48
  we
• 40:48
  need
• 40:49
  to
• 40:49
  work
• 40:49
  on
• 40:49
  our
• 40:49
  system
• 40:50
  alongside
• 40:51
  hoping
• 40:52
  that
• 40:52
  people
• 40:52
  also
• 40:52
  make
• 40:53
  better
• 40:53
  decisions,
• 40:53
  I
• 40:53
  guess.
• 40:54
  Yeah.
• 40:56
  There
• 40:57
  was
• 40:57
  an
• 40:57
  episode
• 40:58
  of
• 40:59
  the
• 40:59
  Complexity
• 41:00
  Podcast,
• 41:01
  It's
• 41:01
  a
• 41:01
  science
• 41:02
  podcast
• 41:02
  put
• 41:02
  up
• 41:02
  by
• 41:02
  the
• 41:03
  Santa
• 41:03
  Fe
• 41:03
  Institute
• 41:04
  where
• 41:04
  they
• 41:05
  were
• 41:05
  talking
• 41:05
  about
• 41:06
  systemic
• 41:07
  justice
• 41:08
  issues
• 41:08
  and
• 41:08
  so
• 41:08
  forth.
• 41:09
  And
• 41:09
  they
• 41:10
  gave
• 41:10
  the
• 41:10
  example
• 41:11
  that
• 41:13
  if
• 41:13
  you
• 41:13
  have
• 41:13
  a
• 41:13
  society
• 41:14
  where
• 41:15
  a
• 41:15
  particular
• 41:15
  group
• 41:16
  of
• 41:16
  people,
• 41:17
  in
• 41:17
  our
• 41:17
  case
• 41:18
  black
• 41:18
  people,
• 41:19
  are
• 41:20
  feared
• 41:21
  slightly
• 41:21
  more
• 41:22
  people
• 41:22
  are
• 41:22
  just
• 41:22
  a
• 41:22
  little
• 41:22
  bit
• 41:23
  more
• 41:23
  wary
• 41:24
  of
• 41:24
  folks
• 41:26
  from
• 41:26
  that
• 41:26
  community
• 41:27
  for
• 41:28
  whatever
• 41:28
  reason.
• 41:28
  And
• 41:30
  that
• 41:30
  might
• 41:30
  actually
• 41:31
  be
• 41:31
  racist
• 41:31
  in
• 41:32
  some
• 41:32
  fashion,
• 41:33
  but
• 41:34
  just
• 41:34
  that
• 41:34
  little
• 41:34
  bit
• 41:35
  of
• 41:35
  a
• 41:35
  difference,
• 41:35
  just
• 41:35
  that
• 41:35
  little
• 41:36
  bit
• 41:36
  of
• 41:36
  bias
• 41:37
  compounds
• 41:37
  and
• 41:38
  perpetuates
• 41:38
  through
• 41:39
  the
• 41:39
  entire
• 41:39
  justice
• 41:39
  system
• 41:40
  to
• 41:41
  result
• 41:41
  in
• 41:42
  folks
• 41:43
  winding
• 41:43
  up
• 41:44
  in
• 41:45
  prison
• 41:46
  much
• 41:46
  more
• 41:46
  at
• 41:47
  a
• 41:47
  much
• 41:47
  higher
• 41:47
  rate
• 41:47
  than
• 41:48
  the
• 41:49
  population
• 41:49
  rate
• 41:50
  or
• 41:50
  relative
• 41:50
  to
• 41:50
  even
• 41:51
  the
• 41:51
  Number
• 41:51
  of
• 41:51
  crimes
• 41:51
  that
• 41:51
  are
• 41:51
  being
• 41:52
  committed.
• 41:52
  So
• 41:53
  if
• 41:53
  they're
• 41:54
  perceived
• 41:54
  as
• 41:54
  a
• 41:54
  little
• 41:54
  bit
• 41:55
  more
• 41:55
  intimidating,
• 41:56
  then
• 41:57
  they're
• 41:57
  more
• 41:58
  likely
• 41:58
  to
• 41:59
  be
• 41:59
  involved
• 41:59
  in
• 41:59
  crimes.
• 42:00
  Of
• 42:00
  all
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  different
• 42:01
  crimes
• 42:02
  of
• 42:03
  property,
• 42:04
  they're
• 42:04
  more
• 42:04
  likely
• 42:05
  to
• 42:05
  be
• 42:05
  involved
• 42:05
  in
• 42:07
  like
• 42:07
  direct.
• 42:08
  I
• 42:09
  forget
• 42:09
  which
• 42:09
  one,
• 42:09
  but
• 42:09
  like
• 42:09
  muggings
• 42:10
  and
• 42:10
  like
• 42:10
  direct
• 42:11
  interaction
• 42:12
  crime
• 42:12
  where
• 42:12
  you
• 42:13
  are
• 42:13
  taking
• 42:13
  something
• 42:13
  from
• 42:13
  somebody
• 42:14
  in
• 42:14
  front
• 42:14
  of
• 42:15
  their
• 42:15
  face.
• 42:15
  Right.
• 42:16
  Which
• 42:16
  means
• 42:16
  that
• 42:17
  they're
• 42:17
  more
• 42:17
  likely
• 42:17
  to
• 42:18
  be.
• 42:18
  Those
• 42:18
  are
• 42:18
  the
• 42:18
  kinds
• 42:18
  of
• 42:19
  crimes
• 42:19
  that
• 42:19
  are
• 42:20
  more
• 42:20
  likely
• 42:20
  to
• 42:20
  be
• 42:20
  prosecuted
• 42:21
  because
• 42:21
  you
• 42:21
  have
• 42:21
  an
• 42:22
  eyewitness
• 42:22
  to
• 42:22
  identify
• 42:23
  the
• 42:23
  perpetrator.
• 42:26
  And
• 42:26
  so
• 42:27
  it's
• 42:27
  easier
• 42:27
  to
• 42:27
  investigate
• 42:28
  and
• 42:28
  identify
• 42:29
  and
• 42:29
  arrest
• 42:29
  somebody.
• 42:30
  And
• 42:30
  then,
• 42:31
  you
• 42:31
  know,
• 42:31
  that
• 42:31
  perpetuates
• 42:32
  to
• 42:32
  the
• 42:32
  system.
• 42:32
  So
• 42:32
  they
• 42:33
  had
• 42:33
  this
• 42:34
  mathematical
• 42:34
  model
• 42:35
  of
• 42:36
  criminal
• 42:36
  justice
• 42:37
  system
• 42:37
  where
• 42:37
  there
• 42:37
  was
• 42:37
  just
• 42:37
  this
• 42:38
  one
• 42:38
  small
• 42:39
  bias
• 42:39
  and
• 42:39
  everything
• 42:40
  else
• 42:40
  was
• 42:40
  completely,
• 42:42
  completely
• 42:42
  unbiased.
• 42:43
  Right.
• 42:43
  All
• 42:43
  the
• 42:44
  actual
• 42:45
  prosecution
• 42:46
  of
• 42:46
  crimes,
• 42:47
  the
• 42:47
  jury
• 42:47
  decision.
• 42:47
  And
• 42:48
  they're
• 42:48
  not
• 42:48
  saying
• 42:48
  that
• 42:48
  this
• 42:48
  is
• 42:49
  necessarily
• 42:49
  how
• 42:49
  the
• 42:50
  world
• 42:50
  works.
• 42:50
  They're
• 42:50
  just
• 42:50
  saying
• 42:50
  that
• 42:51
  even,
• 42:51
  even
• 42:51
  in
• 42:52
  a
• 42:52
  system
• 42:52
  where
• 42:52
  almost
• 42:52
  everything
• 42:53
  is
• 42:53
  unbiased,
• 42:53
  if
• 42:54
  you
• 42:54
  just
• 42:54
  have
• 42:54
  this
• 42:54
  one
• 42:54
  small
• 42:54
  bias,
• 42:55
  it
• 42:57
  snowballs
• 42:58
  into
• 42:58
  a
• 42:59
  much
• 42:59
  bigger
• 42:59
  one.
• 43:00
  Yeah,
• 43:00
  yeah,
• 43:01
  yeah,
• 43:01
  yeah.
• 43:01
  No,
• 43:01
  for
• 43:02
  sure.
• 43:02
  And
• 43:02
  I
• 43:02
  mean,
• 43:03
  I
• 43:03
  think
• 43:03
  we're
• 43:03
  probably
• 43:04
  getting
• 43:04
  ready
• 43:04
  to
• 43:04
  see
• 43:04
  that
• 43:05
  here
• 43:05
  in
• 43:05
  America.
• 43:05
  I
• 43:05
  mean,
• 43:06
  every
• 43:06
  president
• 43:06
  has
• 43:07
  a
• 43:07
  thing
• 43:08
  where,
• 43:08
  you
• 43:08
  know,
• 43:08
  they
• 43:08
  like,
• 43:09
  hey,
• 43:09
  we
• 43:09
  won't
• 43:09
  prosecute
• 43:10
  this.
• 43:10
  And
• 43:10
  much
• 43:10
  whatever
• 43:10
  this.
• 43:11
  And
• 43:11
  much
• 43:11
  all
• 43:11
  this
• 43:12
  stuff.
• 43:12
  And
• 43:13
  you
• 43:13
  can
• 43:13
  tell
• 43:13
  that
• 43:13
  each
• 43:14
  time
• 43:14
  that
• 43:14
  presidents
• 43:15
  do
• 43:15
  this,
• 43:15
  we're
• 43:15
  like,
• 43:15
  we're
• 43:16
  not
• 43:16
  gonna
• 43:16
  prosecute
• 43:17
  marijuana.
• 43:18
  Something
• 43:18
  that
• 43:18
  Joe
• 43:18
  Biden
• 43:19
  did.
• 43:19
  You
• 43:19
  see
• 43:19
  that
• 43:19
  there
• 43:20
  has
• 43:20
  a
• 43:20
  real
• 43:20
  effect
• 43:20
  in
• 43:20
  the
• 43:20
  real
• 43:21
  world
• 43:21
  with
• 43:21
  that.
• 43:21
  And
• 43:22
  I'm
• 43:22
  interested
• 43:23
  to
• 43:23
  see
• 43:24
  now
• 43:24
  that
• 43:24
  Donald
• 43:25
  Trump's
• 43:25
  decided
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  they're
• 43:26
  basically
• 43:26
  just
• 43:26
  not
• 43:26
  prosecuting
• 43:27
  white
• 43:28
  collar
• 43:28
  criminals
• 43:29
  that
• 43:29
  like,
• 43:30
  they're
• 43:30
  not
• 43:31
  putting
• 43:31
  any
• 43:31
  resources
• 43:31
  into
• 43:32
  that.
• 43:32
  So
• 43:32
  it's
• 43:32
  like,
• 43:33
  well,
• 43:33
  now
• 43:33
  I
• 43:33
  kind
• 43:34
  of
• 43:34
  know
• 43:35
  who
• 43:35
  that's
• 43:35
  speaking
• 43:35
  to,
• 43:36
  what's
• 43:36
  likely
• 43:36
  to
• 43:37
  happen.
• 43:37
  And
• 43:37
  I
• 43:38
  think
• 43:38
  that
• 43:38
  probably
• 43:38
  will
• 43:38
  throw
• 43:39
  everything
• 43:39
  out
• 43:39
  of
• 43:39
  proportion.
• 43:40
  And
• 43:40
  that's
• 43:40
  where
• 43:40
  you
• 43:40
  get
• 43:40
  these
• 43:41
  huge
• 43:41
  systemic
• 43:42
  issues.
• 43:43
  Unfortunately,
• 43:44
  the
• 43:44
  government
• 43:45
  has
• 43:45
  yet
• 43:45
  to
• 43:45
  hire
• 43:46
  its
• 43:46
  own
• 43:46
  Batman.
• 43:46
  So
• 43:47
  I
• 43:47
  don't
• 43:47
  know
• 43:47
  how
• 43:47
  we're
• 43:47
  going
• 43:47
  to
• 43:47
  solve
• 43:47
  it.
• 43:49
  That's
• 43:49
  clearly
• 43:49
  the
• 43:49
  only
• 43:50
  solution.
• 43:50
  Yes,
• 43:51
  obviously.
• 43:51
  Yeah.
• 43:53
  Oh,
• 43:54
  man.
• 43:54
  But
• 43:55
  no,
• 43:57
  what
• 43:57
  is
• 43:57
  the
• 43:57
  solution?
• 43:58
  Is
• 43:58
  this
• 43:58
  just
• 43:58
  like
• 43:58
  a.
• 43:59
  Well,
• 43:59
  that
• 43:59
  sucks,
• 44:00
  or
• 44:00
  is
• 44:01
  there
• 44:01
  something
• 44:01
  we
• 44:01
  can
• 44:01
  do
• 44:01
  about
• 44:01
  it?
• 44:02
  Or
• 44:02
  is
• 44:02
  it
• 44:02
  like
• 44:04
  you
• 44:04
  don't
• 44:05
  know
• 44:05
  either?
• 44:06
  I
• 44:06
  mean,
• 44:07
  there
• 44:08
  are
• 44:08
  obviously
• 44:09
  the
• 44:09
  things
• 44:10
  where
• 44:10
  we
• 44:10
  can
• 44:11
  do
• 44:12
  our
• 44:12
  best
• 44:12
  to
• 44:13
  eliminate
• 44:13
  the
• 44:14
  biases
• 44:14
  that
• 44:14
  we
• 44:14
  know
• 44:14
  about.
• 44:15
  We
• 44:15
  can
• 44:15
  continue
• 44:15
  to
• 44:15
  identify
• 44:17
  biases.
• 44:19
  We
• 44:19
  can
• 44:20
  not
• 44:20
  do
• 44:20
  things
• 44:21
  like
• 44:21
  where
• 44:21
  we
• 44:21
  announced,
• 44:21
  well,
• 44:22
  we're
• 44:22
  not
• 44:22
  going
• 44:22
  to
• 44:22
  enforce
• 44:23
  this
• 44:23
  law
• 44:24
  or
• 44:24
  that
• 44:24
  law
• 44:24
  or
• 44:24
  so
• 44:25
  forth.
• 44:25
  I'm
• 44:26
  a
• 44:26
  big
• 44:26
  fan
• 44:26
  of
• 44:27
  we
• 44:27
  should
• 44:27
  either
• 44:29
  fairly
• 44:29
  and
• 44:30
  uniformly
• 44:30
  enforce
• 44:31
  the
• 44:31
  laws
• 44:31
  that
• 44:31
  we
• 44:31
  have
• 44:31
  or
• 44:32
  get
• 44:32
  rid
• 44:32
  of
• 44:32
  them,
• 44:35
  to
• 44:36
  use
• 44:36
  a
• 44:36
  non
• 44:37
  legal
• 44:37
  example,
• 44:37
  but
• 44:38
  kind
• 44:38
  of
• 44:39
  illustrate
• 44:39
  this
• 44:39
  sort
• 44:39
  of
• 44:40
  thing.
• 44:42
  The
• 44:43
  church
• 44:43
  that
• 44:43
  we
• 44:43
  used
• 44:43
  to
• 44:43
  go
• 44:44
  to
• 44:44
  had
• 44:46
  our
• 44:46
  kids
• 44:46
  were
• 44:47
  in
• 44:47
  the
• 44:47
  children's
• 44:47
  ministry.
• 44:48
  We
• 44:48
  dropped
• 44:48
  them
• 44:48
  off
• 44:48
  at
• 44:49
  Sunday
• 44:49
  school
• 44:49
  and
• 44:49
  picked
• 44:50
  them
• 44:50
  up
• 44:50
  and
• 44:50
  so
• 44:50
  forth.
• 44:50
  We
• 44:50
  knew
• 44:50
  the
• 44:51
  whole
• 44:51
  process
• 44:51
  de
• 44:52
  facto.
• 44:53
  And
• 44:53
  then
• 44:53
  I
• 44:53
  volunteered
• 44:54
  to
• 44:54
  work
• 44:54
  with
• 44:54
  the
• 44:55
  youth
• 44:55
  group
• 44:56
  and
• 44:56
  I
• 44:56
  got
• 44:56
  like
• 44:57
  the
• 44:57
  12
• 44:57
  page
• 44:58
  document
• 44:58
  that
• 44:58
  was
• 44:58
  all
• 44:59
  the
• 44:59
  policies
• 44:59
  of
• 44:59
  how
• 44:59
  they
• 45:00
  work
• 45:00
  with
• 45:00
  kids
• 45:01
  and
• 45:01
  it
• 45:01
  was
• 45:01
  completely
• 45:02
  different
• 45:02
  from
• 45:02
  what
• 45:02
  actually
• 45:02
  happened.
• 45:03
  And
• 45:03
  I
• 45:03
  went,
• 45:03
  but
• 45:04
  why,
• 45:06
  if
• 45:07
  this
• 45:07
  is
• 45:07
  what's
• 45:07
  on
• 45:08
  the
• 45:08
  books,
• 45:08
  why
• 45:08
  don't
• 45:08
  we
• 45:09
  do
• 45:09
  any
• 45:09
  of
• 45:09
  these
• 45:09
  things?
• 45:11
  I
• 45:11
  think
• 45:11
  there
• 45:11
  are
• 45:11
  lots
• 45:12
  of,
• 45:12
  there
• 45:13
  are
• 45:13
  examples
• 45:13
  of
• 45:13
  that
• 45:13
  in
• 45:14
  actual
• 45:14
  criminal
• 45:14
  justice
• 45:15
  as
• 45:15
  well,
• 45:15
  where
• 45:15
  I
• 45:16
  mean,
• 45:16
  as
• 45:16
  you
• 45:16
  say,
• 45:17
  drug
• 45:17
  laws,
• 45:19
  even
• 45:20
  specific
• 45:21
  substances.
• 45:21
  Obviously
• 45:22
  enforcement
• 45:22
  of
• 45:23
  marijuana
• 45:24
  is
• 45:24
  widely
• 45:25
  variable
• 45:26
  and
• 45:27
  even
• 45:28
  widely
• 45:29
  varied
• 45:29
  in
• 45:30
  its
• 45:30
  legality
• 45:30
  at
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  moment
• 45:31
  across
• 45:31
  different
• 45:31
  states.
• 45:33
  Other
• 45:33
  things
• 45:34
  where
• 45:35
  there's
• 45:35
  a
• 45:35
  lot
• 45:35
  of
• 45:36
  latitude
• 45:36
  about
• 45:37
  whether
• 45:37
  we
• 45:37
  enforce
• 45:37
  something
• 45:38
  or
• 45:38
  not,
• 45:38
  that
• 45:39
  gives
• 45:39
  a
• 45:39
  lot
• 45:39
  of
• 45:40
  opportunity
• 45:40
  for
• 45:40
  people
• 45:41
  to
• 45:41
  introduce
• 45:41
  their
• 45:41
  own
• 45:42
  biases
• 45:42
  into
• 45:42
  who
• 45:42
  they
• 45:43
  decide
• 45:43
  to
• 45:43
  enforce
• 45:43
  that
• 45:44
  law
• 45:44
  on
• 45:44
  and
• 45:45
  who
• 45:45
  they
• 45:45
  decide
• 45:45
  not
• 45:45
  to.
• 45:47
  And
• 45:47
  so,
• 45:48
  you
• 45:48
  know,
• 45:48
  that's,
• 45:49
  that's
• 45:49
  one
• 45:49
  area
• 45:49
  where
• 45:49
  I
• 45:49
  think,
• 45:50
  you
• 45:50
  know,
• 45:50
  we
• 45:50
  need,
• 45:50
  we
• 45:50
  need
• 45:51
  laws
• 45:51
  that
• 45:51
  we
• 45:51
  can
• 45:51
  enforce
• 45:52
  uniformly
• 45:52
  that
• 45:52
  don't,
• 45:53
  as
• 45:54
  much
• 45:54
  as
• 45:54
  possible,
• 45:54
  don't
• 45:55
  rely
• 45:55
  on
• 45:55
  people
• 45:56
  deciding
• 45:56
  whether
• 45:57
  or
• 45:57
  not
• 45:57
  to
• 45:57
  enforce
• 45:57
  them,
• 45:58
  people
• 45:58
  deciding
• 45:59
  whether
• 45:59
  or
• 45:59
  not,
• 45:59
  you
• 45:59
  know,
• 45:59
  it
• 45:59
  was
• 46:00
  even
• 46:00
  a
• 46:00
  crime.
• 46:00
  Right.
• 46:00
  We
• 46:00
  needed
• 46:01
  things
• 46:01
  to
• 46:01
  be
• 46:01
  as
• 46:01
  clear
• 46:02
  cut
• 46:02
  and
• 46:02
  as
• 46:02
  objective
• 46:03
  as
• 46:03
  possible
• 46:03
  when
• 46:04
  it's
• 46:04
  a
• 46:04
  crime,
• 46:04
  when
• 46:04
  we're
• 46:05
  going
• 46:05
  to,
• 46:05
  when
• 46:05
  this
• 46:06
  law
• 46:06
  applies,
• 46:06
  when
• 46:06
  we're
• 46:06
  going
• 46:06
  to
• 46:07
  enforce
• 46:07
  it
• 46:08
  so
• 46:08
  that
• 46:08
  we
• 46:08
  don't
• 46:08
  have
• 46:09
  those
• 46:09
  kinds
• 46:09
  of
• 46:10
  biases.
• 46:11
  You're
• 46:11
  never
• 46:11
  going
• 46:11
  to,
• 46:12
  you
• 46:12
  know,
• 46:12
  you're
• 46:12
  probably
• 46:12
  never
• 46:12
  going
• 46:12
  to
• 46:13
  completely
• 46:13
  be
• 46:13
  able
• 46:13
  to
• 46:13
  eliminate
• 46:14
  bias.
• 46:15
  And
• 46:16
  so,
• 46:16
  and
• 46:17
  especially
• 46:17
  at
• 46:17
  the
• 46:17
  individual
• 46:18
  level.
• 46:18
  Right.
• 46:19
  And
• 46:19
  so,
• 46:19
  you
• 46:19
  know,
• 46:20
  the
• 46:20
  other
• 46:20
  thing
• 46:20
  is
• 46:20
  just
• 46:21
  to
• 46:21
  have
• 46:22
  systems
• 46:23
  and
• 46:24
  checks
• 46:24
  and
• 46:24
  balances
• 46:25
  and
• 46:25
  so
• 46:25
  forth
• 46:25
  and
• 46:25
  appeals
• 46:26
  processes.
• 46:26
  Right.
• 46:27
  That's
• 46:27
  the
• 46:27
  other
• 46:27
  thing.
• 46:28
  You
• 46:28
  know,
• 46:28
  you
• 46:28
  don't
• 46:28
  want
• 46:28
  one
• 46:29
  person
• 46:29
  making
• 46:29
  a
• 46:29
  decision.
• 46:30
  You
• 46:30
  want
• 46:30
  a
• 46:30
  bunch
• 46:30
  of
• 46:30
  people
• 46:30
  involved
• 46:31
  in
• 46:31
  the
• 46:31
  decision
• 46:32
  process
• 46:33
  so
• 46:33
  that
• 46:34
  they
• 46:35
  can
• 46:35
  hopefully
• 46:36
  balance
• 46:36
  each
• 46:36
  other
• 46:36
  out
• 46:37
  in
• 46:37
  terms
• 46:37
  of
• 46:38
  their
• 46:38
  particular
• 46:39
  biases
• 46:39
  or
• 46:40
  shortcomings
• 46:40
  or
• 46:41
  what
• 46:41
  have
• 46:42
  you.
• 46:42
  Yeah,
• 46:42
  yeah,
• 46:43
  for
• 46:44
  sure.
• 46:44
  Yeah.
• 46:44
  And
• 46:45
  I
• 46:45
  think
• 46:45
  it's
• 46:45
  one
• 46:45
  of
• 46:45
  those
• 46:45
  where
• 46:46
  like,
• 46:46
  hey,
• 46:47
  we
• 46:47
  should
• 46:47
  just
• 46:48
  try
• 46:48
  not
• 46:48
  to
• 46:48
  get
• 46:48
  disheartened.
• 46:49
  You
• 46:49
  know,
• 46:49
  I
• 46:49
  think
• 46:49
  everyone
• 46:50
  would
• 46:50
  be
• 46:50
  surprised
• 46:50
  at
• 46:50
  how
• 46:50
  much
• 46:50
  good
• 46:51
  a
• 46:51
  single
• 46:51
  person
• 46:51
  can
• 46:51
  do
• 46:52
  just
• 46:52
  in
• 46:52
  General.
• 46:53
  But
• 46:53
  when
• 46:53
  it
• 46:53
  comes
• 46:53
  to
• 46:53
  the
• 46:54
  systemic
• 46:54
  stuff,
• 46:55
  you
• 46:56
  see
• 46:56
  this
• 46:56
  in
• 46:56
  not
• 46:56
  just
• 46:57
  like
• 46:57
  this
• 46:57
  book,
• 46:57
  an
• 46:57
  overarching
• 46:58
  Batman
• 46:59
  story.
• 46:59
  Gotham
• 47:00
  doesn't
• 47:00
  really
• 47:00
  get
• 47:01
  better.
• 47:02
  You
• 47:02
  know,
• 47:02
  like,
• 47:02
  Batman
• 47:03
  stops
• 47:03
  the
• 47:03
  bad
• 47:03
  guys,
• 47:04
  Gotham
• 47:04
  doesn't
• 47:05
  really
• 47:05
  get
• 47:05
  better.
• 47:06
  And
• 47:07
  I
• 47:07
  think
• 47:07
  the
• 47:07
  story
• 47:08
  really
• 47:08
  is
• 47:08
  like,
• 47:09
  even
• 47:09
  if
• 47:09
  we
• 47:09
  had
• 47:09
  a
• 47:09
  superhero,
• 47:11
  the
• 47:11
  only
• 47:11
  thing
• 47:11
  that's
• 47:11
  really
• 47:12
  going
• 47:12
  to
• 47:12
  make
• 47:12
  a
• 47:12
  difference
• 47:12
  is
• 47:13
  if
• 47:13
  we
• 47:13
  get
• 47:13
  involved
• 47:14
  more.
• 47:14
  Right.
• 47:16
  I
• 47:16
  think
• 47:17
  part
• 47:17
  of
• 47:17
  what
• 47:17
  the
• 47:18
  Batman
• 47:18
  story
• 47:18
  tells
• 47:18
  us
• 47:19
  is
• 47:19
  like,
• 47:19
  hey,
• 47:20
  we
• 47:20
  need
• 47:20
  to
• 47:20
  get
• 47:20
  involved.
• 47:21
  Go
• 47:21
  to
• 47:21
  your
• 47:21
  local
• 47:22
  boards,
• 47:23
  do
• 47:23
  local
• 47:24
  elections.
• 47:24
  Don't
• 47:24
  just
• 47:25
  worry
• 47:25
  about
• 47:25
  the
• 47:25
  big
• 47:25
  four
• 47:25
  year
• 47:26
  stuff,
• 47:26
  and
• 47:27
  figure
• 47:27
  out
• 47:28
  who
• 47:28
  is
• 47:28
  actually
• 47:29
  caring
• 47:29
  about
• 47:30
  whether
• 47:31
  or
• 47:31
  not
• 47:31
  you're
• 47:31
  talking
• 47:31
  about
• 47:32
  systems
• 47:32
  are
• 47:32
  fair,
• 47:33
  if
• 47:33
  things
• 47:33
  are
• 47:33
  prosecuted
• 47:34
  evenly,
• 47:35
  if
• 47:36
  we're
• 47:36
  actually
• 47:37
  enforcing
• 47:37
  the
• 47:38
  law,
• 47:38
  or
• 47:38
  we're
• 47:38
  just
• 47:38
  like,
• 47:39
  we'll
• 47:39
  enforce
• 47:39
  it
• 47:39
  over
• 47:39
  here,
• 47:39
  but
• 47:40
  not
• 47:40
  over
• 47:40
  here.
• 47:41
  Figure
• 47:41
  out
• 47:41
  who
• 47:41
  cares,
• 47:42
  and
• 47:42
  get
• 47:42
  involved
• 47:42
  on
• 47:42
  a
• 47:42
  local
• 47:43
  level.
• 47:43
  Because
• 47:44
  a
• 47:44
  lot
• 47:44
  of
• 47:44
  this
• 47:45
  you
• 47:45
  can
• 47:45
  see
• 47:45
  across
• 47:45
  America,
• 47:46
  certain
• 47:46
  cities
• 47:47
  vary
• 47:48
  vastly
• 47:49
  when
• 47:49
  it
• 47:50
  comes
• 47:50
  to
• 47:50
  crime
• 47:50
  and
• 47:50
  all
• 47:50
  this
• 47:51
  kind
• 47:51
  of
• 47:51
  stuff.
• 47:51
  And
• 47:51
  it
• 47:51
  has
• 47:51
  to
• 47:52
  do
• 47:52
  with
• 47:52
  how
• 47:53
  people
• 47:53
  locally
• 47:54
  are
• 47:54
  choosing
• 47:54
  to
• 47:54
  engage
• 47:55
  in
• 47:55
  their
• 47:55
  politics
• 47:56
  and
• 47:56
  whether
• 47:56
  or
• 47:57
  not
• 47:57
  people
• 47:57
  are
• 47:58
  being
• 47:58
  treated
• 47:58
  fairly.
• 48:00
  I
• 48:00
  think
• 48:00
  just
• 48:01
  caring
• 48:01
  about
• 48:01
  our
• 48:01
  local
• 48:01
  politics
• 48:02
  makes
• 48:02
  maybe
• 48:03
  more
• 48:03
  of
• 48:03
  a
• 48:03
  difference
• 48:04
  than
• 48:04
  punching
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  Joker
• 48:05
  in
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  face
• 48:05
  or
• 48:05
  throwing
• 48:06
  them
• 48:06
  off
• 48:06
  a
• 48:06
  building.
• 48:08
  That's
• 48:08
  just
• 48:08
  me.
• 48:09
  Yeah.
• 48:10
  Or
• 48:11
  the
• 48:12
  other
• 48:12
  reading
• 48:12
  is
• 48:12
  that
• 48:13
  of
• 48:13
  the.
• 48:13
  Of
• 48:13
  the
• 48:13
  meta
• 48:13
  Batman
• 48:14
  story,
• 48:14
  is
• 48:14
  that
• 48:14
  we're
• 48:14
  the
• 48:15
  villains.
• 48:15
  Right.
• 48:15
  Because
• 48:16
  we
• 48:16
  keep
• 48:16
  wanting
• 48:16
  to
• 48:16
  read
• 48:17
  these
• 48:17
  stories,
• 48:18
  which
• 48:18
  is.
• 48:18
  Which
• 48:18
  is
• 48:19
  the
• 48:19
  reason
• 48:19
  why
• 48:19
  Gotham
• 48:19
  can
• 48:19
  never
• 48:20
  get
• 48:20
  better,
• 48:20
  because
• 48:20
  there
• 48:20
  always
• 48:21
  has
• 48:21
  to
• 48:21
  be
• 48:21
  another
• 48:22
  issue
• 48:22
  of
• 48:22
  Batman.
• 48:23
  That's
• 48:23
  true.
• 48:24
  Maybe
• 48:25
  Batman
• 48:26
  needs
• 48:26
  to
• 48:26
  pull
• 48:26
  a
• 48:26
  deadpool
• 48:27
  and
• 48:27
  come
• 48:27
  after
• 48:27
  us.
• 48:30
  Leave
• 48:30
  the
• 48:30
  story.
• 48:31
  Come
• 48:31
  after
• 48:32
  us.
• 48:32
  Oh,
• 48:32
  man.
• 48:33
  Great
• 48:33
  stuff.
• 48:33
  Well,
• 48:33
  hey,
• 48:34
  I
• 48:34
  love
• 48:34
  talking
• 48:34
  about.
• 48:36
  Hopefully
• 48:36
  this
• 48:36
  was
• 48:36
  helpful
• 48:37
  to
• 48:37
  people
• 48:38
  if
• 48:38
  they
• 48:38
  want
• 48:39
  to
• 48:39
  stick
• 48:39
  around.
• 48:39
  We're
• 48:39
  gonna
• 48:39
  do
• 48:39
  a
• 48:40
  bonus
• 48:40
  question
• 48:40
  for
• 48:40
  subscribers
• 48:41
  at
• 48:41
  the
• 48:41
  end.
• 48:42
  We're
• 48:42
  gonna
• 48:42
  ask,
• 48:42
  if
• 48:43
  we
• 48:43
  had
• 48:43
  to
• 48:43
  stay
• 48:43
  the
• 48:44
  night
• 48:44
  in
• 48:44
  Arkham,
• 48:45
  who
• 48:45
  would
• 48:45
  we
• 48:45
  most
• 48:46
  want
• 48:46
  to
• 48:46
  have
• 48:46
  as
• 48:46
  a
• 48:47
  prison
• 48:47
  mate
• 48:48
  if
• 48:48
  we
• 48:48
  had
• 48:48
  to?
• 48:48
  Like,
• 48:49
  we're
• 48:49
  not
• 48:49
  just
• 48:49
  choosing
• 48:50
  to
• 48:50
  go
• 48:50
  to
• 48:50
  Arkham,
• 48:50
  but,
• 48:50
  you
• 48:51
  know,
• 48:51
  if
• 48:51
  we're
• 48:51
  gonna
• 48:51
  be
• 48:51
  there,
• 48:53
  what
• 48:53
  Batman
• 48:53
  villain
• 48:54
  would
• 48:54
  we
• 48:54
  most
• 48:55
  want
• 48:55
  to
• 48:55
  be
• 48:55
  in
• 48:56
  there
• 48:56
  with
• 48:56
  us?
• 48:56
  I
• 48:56
  guess
• 48:57
  so.
• 48:58
  Do
• 48:58
  you
• 48:58
  want
• 48:58
  to
• 48:58
  hear
• 48:58
  that?
• 48:59
  Head
• 48:59
  over
• 48:59
  to
• 49:00
  Patreon
• 49:00
  Captivate
• 49:01
  Apple
• 49:01
  Podcast
• 49:01
  and
• 49:02
  you
• 49:02
  can
• 49:02
  hear
• 49:02
  us
• 49:02
  answer
• 49:02
  that
• 49:02
  question.
• 49:03
  And
• 49:04
  whatever
• 49:04
  money
• 49:04
  you
• 49:04
  throw
• 49:05
  our
• 49:05
  way,
• 49:05
  we
• 49:05
  will
• 49:05
  give
• 49:06
  to
• 49:06
  our
• 49:06
  local
• 49:06
  libraries.
• 49:07
  Yeah,
• 49:08
  speaking
• 49:08
  of
• 49:08
  local
• 49:08
  libraries,
• 49:09
  you
• 49:09
  know,
• 49:09
  Andy
• 49:10
  mentioned
• 49:10
  he
• 49:10
  rented
• 49:11
  this
• 49:11
  audio
• 49:11
  book
• 49:12
  off
• 49:12
  a
• 49:12
  local
• 49:12
  library.
• 49:13
  Yeah.
• 49:13
  They
• 49:13
  have
• 49:13
  apps
• 49:13
  now.
• 49:14
  You
• 49:14
  can
• 49:14
  get
• 49:14
  audiobooks
• 49:14
  from
• 49:14
  your
• 49:15
  local
• 49:15
  library.
• 49:16
  And
• 49:16
  if
• 49:16
  you
• 49:16
  didn't
• 49:16
  know,
• 49:17
  if
• 49:17
  they
• 49:17
  don't
• 49:17
  have
• 49:17
  a
• 49:17
  book
• 49:17
  that
• 49:17
  you
• 49:18
  want,
• 49:18
  you
• 49:18
  can
• 49:18
  just
• 49:18
  request
• 49:19
  it
• 49:19
  and
• 49:19
  they'll
• 49:19
  put
• 49:19
  it
• 49:19
  in
• 49:20
  there.
• 49:20
  So
• 49:20
  any
• 49:21
  books
• 49:21
  we
• 49:21
  talk
• 49:21
  about,
• 49:21
  you
• 49:21
  just
• 49:22
  don't
• 49:22
  want
• 49:22
  to
• 49:22
  pay
• 49:22
  for
• 49:22
  them.
• 49:23
  Support
• 49:23
  your
• 49:23
  local
• 49:23
  library
• 49:24
  by
• 49:24
  asking
• 49:24
  them
• 49:25
  to
• 49:25
  buy
• 49:25
  it.
• 49:25
  I
• 49:25
  know
• 49:25
  that
• 49:26
  sounds
• 49:26
  counterintuitive,
• 49:27
  but
• 49:27
  it
• 49:27
  actually
• 49:27
  does
• 49:27
  help
• 49:28
  the
• 49:28
  library
• 49:28
  if
• 49:29
  you
• 49:29
  do
• 49:29
  that
• 49:29
  kind
• 49:29
  of
• 49:29
  stuff.
• 49:31
  Yeah.
• 49:31
  And
• 49:32
  with
• 49:32
  that,
• 49:32
  you
• 49:32
  know,
• 49:33
  we
• 49:33
  don't
• 49:33
  do
• 49:33
  just
• 49:33
  normal
• 49:34
  recommendations
• 49:34
  on
• 49:34
  these
• 49:34
  episodes.
• 49:35
  We
• 49:35
  recommend
• 49:36
  a
• 49:36
  book
• 49:36
  from
• 49:36
  a
• 49:36
  different
• 49:37
  kind
• 49:37
  of
• 49:37
  literature.
• 49:37
  So
• 49:38
  it
• 49:38
  can't
• 49:38
  be
• 49:38
  an
• 49:38
  audiobook
• 49:39
  that
• 49:40
  we
• 49:40
  think
• 49:40
  people
• 49:41
  would
• 49:41
  benefit
• 49:42
  from
• 49:42
  if
• 49:42
  they
• 49:43
  took
• 49:43
  the
• 49:43
  time
• 49:43
  to
• 49:43
  read.
• 49:44
  What
• 49:45
  might
• 49:45
  you
• 49:46
  recommend?
• 49:49
  I'm
• 49:49
  trying
• 49:49
  to
• 49:49
  think
• 49:49
  of
• 49:49
  mine.
• 49:50
  Do
• 49:50
  you.
• 49:50
  Do
• 49:50
  you
• 49:50
  have
• 49:50
  one
• 49:50
  easy
• 49:51
  at
• 49:51
  the
• 49:51
  top
• 49:51
  of
• 49:51
  your
• 49:51
  head,
• 49:51
  because
• 49:52
  I'm
• 49:52
  struggling.
• 49:52
  Oh,
• 49:52
  I
• 49:52
  just
• 49:53
  thought
• 49:53
  of
• 49:53
  one.
• 49:55
  The
• 49:55
  first
• 49:55
  thing
• 49:55
  that
• 49:55
  came
• 49:55
  to
• 49:56
  mind
• 49:56
  was,
• 49:56
  you
• 49:57
  know,
• 49:57
  if
• 49:57
  you're
• 49:57
  interested
• 49:57
  in
• 49:58
  Batman
• 49:59
  continuity
• 49:59
  extensions,
• 50:00
  there
• 50:00
  is
• 50:01
  the
• 50:01
  Batman
• 50:02
  66
• 50:03
  comic
• 50:04
  book
• 50:04
  that
• 50:05
  takes
• 50:06
  place
• 50:06
  in
• 50:06
  the.
• 50:06
  In
• 50:07
  the
• 50:07
  Adam
• 50:07
  west
• 50:08
  world
• 50:08
  of
• 50:08
  Batman
• 50:09
  and
• 50:10
  kind
• 50:10
  of
• 50:10
  develops
• 50:11
  those
• 50:11
  that
• 50:12
  rogues
• 50:12
  gallery
• 50:13
  further.
• 50:14
  So
• 50:14
  those.
• 50:15
  Those
• 50:15
  are
• 50:15
  fun
• 50:15
  and
• 50:16
  well
• 50:16
  done.
• 50:16
  I
• 50:17
  don't
• 50:17
  remember
• 50:17
  exactly
• 50:17
  how
• 50:18
  many
• 50:18
  collections
• 50:18
  there
• 50:18
  are
• 50:18
  or
• 50:18
  whatever,
• 50:19
  but
• 50:19
  yeah,
• 50:19
  there's.
• 50:20
  There's
• 50:20
  a
• 50:20
  few
• 50:20
  volumes
• 50:21
  of
• 50:21
  that
• 50:21
  now
• 50:21
  that
• 50:21
  are
• 50:22
  available.
• 50:22
  Okay,
• 50:23
  very
• 50:23
  nice.
• 50:24
  Gonna
• 50:25
  go
• 50:25
  with.
• 50:26
  I'm
• 50:26
  gonna
• 50:26
  go
• 50:26
  with
• 50:26
  a
• 50:27
  graphic
• 50:27
  novel.
• 50:28
  Yeah.
• 50:29
  Dietrich
• 50:30
  Bonhoeffer,
• 50:31
  the
• 50:32
  faithful
• 50:32
  spy
• 50:33
  in
• 50:33
  the
• 50:34
  plot
• 50:34
  to
• 50:34
  kill
• 50:34
  Hitler.
• 50:35
  I'm
• 50:35
  trying
• 50:35
  to
• 50:35
  remember
• 50:35
  who
• 50:35
  the
• 50:35
  author
• 50:36
  was.
• 50:36
  John.
• 50:36
  John
• 50:36
  Hendricks.
• 50:37
  So
• 50:37
  I
• 50:38
  recommend
• 50:38
  checking
• 50:38
  that
• 50:38
  out.
• 50:39
  Great
• 50:39
  book.
• 50:40
  Will
• 50:40
  actually
• 50:41
  talk
• 50:41
  to
• 50:41
  John
• 50:41
  Hendrix
• 50:41
  about
• 50:41
  a
• 50:42
  different
• 50:42
  book
• 50:42
  that
• 50:42
  he
• 50:42
  wrote
• 50:42
  recently.
• 50:43
  So
• 50:43
  on
• 50:44
  our
• 50:44
  show
• 50:44
  Mythmakers,
• 50:45
  and
• 50:46
  I
• 50:46
  picked
• 50:46
  up
• 50:46
  that
• 50:47
  book
• 50:47
  on
• 50:47
  Bonhoeffer
• 50:48
  that
• 50:48
  he
• 50:48
  did,
• 50:48
  and
• 50:48
  it's
• 50:49
  just.
• 50:49
  It's
• 50:49
  really
• 50:49
  good.
• 50:49
  It's
• 50:50
  like
• 50:50
  some
• 50:50
  somewhere
• 50:50
  between
• 50:51
  a
• 50:51
  novel
• 50:51
  and
• 50:52
  a
• 50:52
  graphic
• 50:52
  novel.
• 50:53
  So,
• 50:54
  yeah,
• 50:54
  if
• 50:54
  you're
• 50:54
  interested
• 50:55
  in
• 50:55
  different
• 50:55
  formats
• 50:56
  and
• 50:56
  stuff,
• 50:56
  I
• 50:56
  think
• 50:56
  that's
• 50:57
  totally
• 50:57
  worth
• 50:58
  a
• 50:58
  shot.
• 50:59
  Guys,
• 50:59
  again,
• 51:00
  we
• 51:00
  got
• 51:00
  to
• 51:00
  remind
• 51:00
  you,
• 51:00
  if
• 51:00
  you're
• 51:01
  on
• 51:01
  a
• 51:01
  laptop,
• 51:01
  please
• 51:02
  do
• 51:02
  us
• 51:02
  that
• 51:02
  favor.
• 51:03
  Consider
• 51:03
  rating,
• 51:04
  reviewing
• 51:04
  our
• 51:04
  show
• 51:04
  on
• 51:04
  Podchaser
• 51:05
  or
• 51:05
  on
• 51:05
  GoodPods.
• 51:06
  One
• 51:06
  of
• 51:06
  those
• 51:06
  two
• 51:07
  helps
• 51:07
  our
• 51:07
  show
• 51:08
  gain
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