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Talks to Dave, Lucy & Daniel about Planet of Fire (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to your handsome with a blunt penknife the Doctor
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  Who commentary podcast. I'm Dave and I can.
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  We start again? Because I was just so sorry, if
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  you want to, yes, started 32. Welcome back to your hands with
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  a blunt penknife. The Doctor Who commented
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  broadcast, your usual host. Your Ford is taking a back seat
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  on this episode of ink is somewhere.
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  Oh, there he is on the streets though.
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  But I'm Dave and I'm with the lovely.
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  Lucy, McCall's, Hello, Lucy. Hello and the DU Chic, Daniel.
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  Nate's, I can't think of adjectives, beginning of a juice
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  or to see how would you think that?
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  Is very dishy, the only chance to think it was juicy.
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  I don't know if that's appropriate to say, I beg your
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  pardon, that is a scurrilous rumor.
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  But back here for part, 2 of planet of Fire Within Sunny
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  Lanzarote and seeing people in their pants and bikinis and so
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  on. And yeah, the Masters
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  disappeared with his unfinished Lane.
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  And of course. Are we going to do again?
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  No. Really.
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  So what we're going to do it and something on the counter sin.
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  Lucy. Yeah.
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  Okay. So in 5 4, 3 2 1, go.
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  So we've got the master and the pantheon of Masters but does
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  Anthony ainley set for all of you although it will see first.
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  Okay, so Roger Delgado is always going to be talks for me I think
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  just because I don't know if it's because he's the first but
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  he is The Benchmark by which all other Masters are all set.
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  Auntie, Amy was obviously the master I saw it first.
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  When I was watching this the first time around and I found
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  him scary I think and nasty and he was obviously the big Baddie.
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  So when I was a child re watching him as an adult, it
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  doesn't quite hit quite as well. I don't think possibly because
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  he fears a little bit towards the kind of pantomime villain
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  and also there is so and I know that the master was in the whole
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  of the series with with them. Jon Pertwee.
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  But where you get to the point was like, oh, you escaped from
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  wherever it was again, it was kind of a bit really.
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  So, I mean, I do. I do like his master and I do
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  think he has moments of being genuinely creepy, but he's been
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  slightly aged to decide by Derek Jacobi who is just even though
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  he's only on their screens as the master for a fraction of
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  anybody's time. He's I think somebody described
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  it on Twitter as being a magnificent bastard and he just
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  is hate us so much Autumn this evil and in the audio Dentures
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  as well you get to a point where like it's almost like the floor
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  drops out from under you do you think oh it's you go yet of
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  course he's going to kill all those people.
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  All do it, do whatever it is. You know, I think the most
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  Sinister line genuinely in all of Doctor Who is 0.
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  Now I can say I was provoked. Yes, that is a Hos Carrie that
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  Lolly, the fact that he can show you.
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  I mean, he's a magnificent actor, he just fantastic.
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  He can show you the whole change in character without changing
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  his expression. He's all in the eyes.
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  And, you know, when you look at him that that's happened, It's
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  like yeah. So the market period of course,
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  is one of those people who the master can't hypnotize.
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  Much to his disgust and is now turn back into comedian again.
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  Yes, butand towards one, another and has a humanoid silver face
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  as well, which are all struggling follow.
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  What was going on there to visit is that Howard?
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  40 million sort of in the metal is MM - yeah.
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  It's kind of comedian sort of coming to coming apart a bit.
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  Isn't it at this point? He's breaking down.
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  What's your thoughts Daniel? And in his martyrdom?
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  Well, as a kid, he was slightly more scary than I find.
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  It was an adult. I mean, it's very much.
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  He's very much portrayed as the panto villain, but There's,
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  there's as Lucy said, there's that there's a repetitiveness
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  about. Oh, you escaped from zarafa.
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  So you escaped from the 12th century and 13th century.
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  Britain, do you escape from here?
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  You was getting and it's it does devalue the character so much
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  that actually, it takes a story of like survival to really get
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  the master back on track as a as a serious villain.
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  I mean I think I love Mark of the Rani but it really doesn't
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  doesn't do the master any favors particularly when she needs him
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  in the Cobblers at one point it's probably it's very funny
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  but it's like you know do Master 22 villain squabbling but I mean
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  he's he never he never gives a dull performance.
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  He never gives a bad performance.
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  It's just as a Is it performance?
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  There's no subtlety apart from in the gospel has.
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  And that the bit where he's he's sort of, you know, wiping his
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  arms with the dust and being very, very particular the bit
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  where he's shaking. He puts it doesn't he put his
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  hand on on Tom Baker's shoulder and Tom and Toms dr.
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  Sort of flinches challenge is actually repellent.
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  The doctor finds the master which then goes sort of against
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  what they later come in with this.
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  This story as well. We're at the end where his way
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  he says, will you show? No mercy to your.
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  And then, of course, the fandom has been speculating on who that
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  is, you know, ever since was it your own, kind your own brother,
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  your own father, your own, you know, Sister whatever.
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  And then you've got, I mean, I agree with you Lucy.
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  Derek Jacoby's Master is brilliant and it would have been
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  brilliant as to see him in more stories.
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  And I haven't listened to all of the the big finisher audios but
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  I know that he's brilliant in those.
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  Oh, so Michelle Gomez. I think is it's really good to
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  particularly in that scene in in death.
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  In heaven, where she kills Osgood?
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  That's really Sinister. Really, really unnerving.
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  Yeah. Do not the Pope.
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  I do. Admittedly.
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  I like the payoff of this. This The mastering in what
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  appears to be a control room, but the payoff of this does is
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  quite good. I think they do string that out
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  quite well. Yeah, and I got to be honest,
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  from memory watching it, as a kid, seeing the Cliffhangers
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  part 3 and go, oh, yeah. Well as a, as a nine-year-old
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  would do you know, oh, wow. Is that, you know, it is quite a
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  nice clever twist. Joe with I Great with Lucy.
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  I think Delgado is the ultimate master.
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  And I agree with Daniel, I think Anthony ainley never fails to
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  disappoint and I just want you to think about the stories is
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  in, at the moment time fly trial of a Time Lord episode 12 and 13
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  and how Bloody dreary they would be, eventually, Amy didn't turn
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  up and camp out and bring up in. Oh, absolutely.
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  He's doing what? He's?
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  He's all stupid. In the role.
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  Oh, yeah. And he's doing it.
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  Well. It's just that it gets when I
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  think it was time for like, where I kind of went.
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  Oh, really? It was the master then going
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  sharam sure are just no no that's the.
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  But then of course the then there's the thing, the reveal of
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  the disguiseys, the get more, and more and more improbable a
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  oh yeah. What?
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  The other thing that's weird about him is Lee.
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  So, obscure like Delgado, there's a lot of background
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  about this. A lot of stories about him.
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  People will say a lot about Jacoby diwan, all of them
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  Anthony ainley. He's got an autobiography, I
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  think why biography, but all the actors said, none of them really
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  got to know him. All they knew was that he liked
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  cricket and playing the master. He was quite an enigma.
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  Yeah, that I found quite interesting factors tend to one
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  out, you know, show off a bit and make it up.
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  Bit about themselves. I think he just loves the Sara
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  Lee. I mean, some, some actors become
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  actors because they don't want to be themselves.
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  It's very true because they feel more comfortable being other
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  people. And I mean, even the best.
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  The best of the best of actors like Judi Dench.
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  For instance, I've seen a documentary about her when she
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  goes into rehearsal. She always puts her bag next
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  nearest to the door. Because because that's her
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  because then she's got any an Escape Route, right?
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  So she needs to be, she could be first out of the room,
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  obviously. And today, Amy then just enjoyed
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  playing insane, megalomaniacs that.
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  There's also the thing and I think particularly to, I mean,
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  it's nice in a way that people can interact with actors and
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  talk to them. And I mean, I really like, now
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  being able to just say go on social media and say, You to
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  somebody before. I've enjoyed the performance or
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  something that they've done, it's just, you know, it feel it
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  feels nice. But on the other hand, there is
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  this thing, what the more that you know, about a person, does
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  that sort of affect the way you see their performance?
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  I think so. I think so there's a wonderful
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  story about Anthony ainley in when big finish we're doing dust
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  breeding they were going to bring the master back and so
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  they caught in touch with an insanely and he's like yeah I'll
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  do it but I want double the amount, the dogs.
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  Ours are getting and I want script and actor approval in the
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  stories, and they actually were Gary Russell and jaison Hilary,
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  Ashley went away and try to make that happen and then halfway
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  through the conversation, Gary Russell went, he ain't worth it,
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  they found him up and said, look I'm sorry we can't exceed to all
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  your demands and and the only went you'll be back.
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  I'll be waiting by the phone and then they got a Jeffrey beavers.
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  Instead is the one. Yeah.
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  He's the one for me, that is the most unsung because you see him
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  only And keep the tracking, and you often will remember, when I
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  first saw that thinking will preferred PR products or
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  interpretation of this, but how wrong I was, because only audios
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  just made me appreciate them so much for is fantastic.
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  And your disease, the most underrated Mastered by a country
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  mile for me, is is brilliant. It's brilliant exist, evil just
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  as mustard on the edge, because, of course, he's played in,
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  what's the crispy mask Elizabeth, and it's yeah.
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  It's just bloody brilliant. It made me appreciate the keep
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  the track performance even more. If you go back to keep the track
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  and eat deliciously, evil be in the mail, current do know, the
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  lanes. And, and, of course, they went
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  to across here. But us, sorry for.
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  What do you think of the only one?
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  Then Dave? I think just ugly with what you
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  have been saying that. I think he's too panting - but
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  he's talking about it fun, but survival is basically
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  performances of survival and when his tree moss and keep the
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  tracking. Oh yes.
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  It's very good. Yeah.
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  And it's very good because he's not coming up and it's
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  interesting how what they say is that he was asked to sort of
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  come up, so if he wanted to play that all the way through, but
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  I'd leave you to, if you're done that sort of performance in
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  survival and traffic, No, that wouldn't of had the fun fact up
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  to do that. So we're trade-off in it like I
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  said but he's the disguises for them in the Poetry of I was
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  totally fooled but I thought I've totally never got it with
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  him so it was Sophie aldred when they were wash him on behind the
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  sofa. So Filled Room a striction are
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  watching that as she's this actors.
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  Really good play in the port revisit and it.
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  Whatever. That's what I know is that the
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  aim? Yeah, honestly, I was totally
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  fueled bit, of course. Jails histogram and so many
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  others are just like, you can't come on, you know, as soon as
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  he's here, but, and in John Sims, of course, says.
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  Same reason, doesn't it? I'll still buy.
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  That is very. I knew he was coming out of it
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  and never talk to me. Oh, that's him.
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  So it's when it works, it's good.
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  But, of course, you need to distances disguise.
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  I do love the, the sort of the key characters that the master
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  can't hypnotize. Yeah.
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  Like he can't hypnotize Perry, she knows that it's Comedian.
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  So she's trying to get chameleon to come out the master.
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  The, the first Master couldn't hypnotize to be solved.
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  Thought that does these wonderful I roll when he can't
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  hypnotize her, but he's happy sighs, Joe Carney.
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  And then it's a place where he can't hypnotize a course in
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  Frontier is face. She starts singing nursery
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  rhymes and she said, yeah, you did it to me once a lot, you
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  know, I'm not gonna fall for that one.
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  Again, it goes. I always hated nursery rhyme.
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  Yeah. We're seeing real master with a
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  hair dryer on in the store and chameleon is back, as sober
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  heard the one thing somebody maybe explain this to me, why
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  are there different? This isn't a suit I never got
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  what that was about. I think it's a hybrid of the
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  master and Howard, isn't it? It's like yeah but most of all
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  the monsters trying to Petra. I don't know.
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  No. Because Howard wasn't wearing
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  his I mean at least yeah. Silver Howard and his trunks
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  that would have been worth. I thought yeah.
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  He's not uncomfortable enough in the Silver makeup or shoving
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  with a suit. It's just, yeah, I just bought
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  it and you've got a guy in a suit but Mr. Really clear.
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  Why? You know, but doesn't doesn't
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  only small still look good in a suit though.
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  Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, looks like heart.
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  Yeah. So now we've got the doctor
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  until over exploring the mysterious Machinery with the
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  with the rebels who are resistant to the appeal of logo.
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  That's a rebel. Isn't that dr.
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  Paxson from Blake severed, its Barbara Shelly.
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  Yeah. The famous Hammer star.
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  Yeah she's in. She's talked to placing in
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  Blake's 7. She's also Venus Brown in The
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  Avengers episode from Venus would love it and she's also in
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  the quatermass place. Mats in the pit isn't she?
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  Yes she's in quite a few handlers Dracula.
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  Princess cut it out. No they usually don't last do
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  you know who they are? Steeply that part before she got
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  the cup Elena Elena Braun really this what's arasta?
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  Yeah, because she's quite a small part.
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  I mean, you've got yeah you've got the Uh to where you got the
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  three sort of humor may have been developing a broader been
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  playing that I would and so glad she didn't do it because then we
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  would have, maybe been enough, not give another fantastic
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  performance. The next year.
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  Of course, he was about to control the food supply for
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  that. Been played by flast.
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  Yeah the leader of the Crayons was apparently they were they
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  approached Maureen. Lipman yes life lasts but I
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  think I mean Faith Brown not the first choice but really good
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  actually really, really good. What is quality.
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  Mr. Gable is. The extraordinary leader has
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  absolutely. Yeah.
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  Well yeah. I hadn't been given the Boo and
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  had a couple of years. We've Andrew cartmel script
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  editing. That's an interesting one.
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  Yeah that was Ben Klassen either would have a brilliant, I could
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  just see him in Paradise Towers, you know. so pays no, just
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  getting into scrapes on the mountain and she's trying to
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  What's she trying to do? Oops, stroke Howard, who has
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  just turned eight is being greeted by the priest and his
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  cohorts as the, the Savior, The Outsider who will come and save
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  them all from the Wrath of the volcano.
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  Yeah, let's talk about Peter when God, the book, because
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  before we started this, there's a lot of stories about this guy.
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  I mean, a lot of stories and he's obviously most famous is
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  Jason, King in the seventies, but a park over there.
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  We begun the family show or not about how how it goes to Fiona
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  coming in. I want to play it old.
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  I'm gonna play it like an old geezer.
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  And apparently J&T was in earshot of ptosis and going, but
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  he is old no acting required. Yeah, but you say that, but then
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  some, when the film of the Widow's, the Steve McQueen film
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  of widows. That was recently quite recent.
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  I really enjoyed, but he was saying to Jason robots.
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  You know, you have to play this character like an old man.
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  He said, I am an old man today. No, you're you Jason for.
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  You not playing it. You're not playing as an old bag
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  of paint. It's you need to be older.
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  What is a bit old makeup on as well?
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  But I think GNT said, yeah, because you cast somebody like
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  Peter wyngarde, do you want to see that?
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  It's Peter Wing card? Yes, absolutely.
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  That's what you call Steam for. Yeah, apparently on the in the
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  rehearsals he played that way on the plane J&T tried to talk to
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  him and he said, no, I'm going to play it old and then
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  apparently got the costume on Right?
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  And the second he was on your side.
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  No, I can still do this young Dynamite Moustache, he's great
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  in. This is a story about, obviously
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  the GP hard or something. In guy who plays valcano
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  forgotten his name crash that. So we had to see a tie up the
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  Steep and then you have to go pee Open Garden see or so sorry
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  but of course cheaper apparently said all those that's no trouble
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  chat and then he went to the Car please and try to make sure that
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  state condition it was in when Brittany hired some robots.
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  Anyway, forget that but yes, the actors who actors who are older
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  do not always act old. Yeah.
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  Mr. Koontz is to lose less story.
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  It is. Yes, the usual Royal the, the
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  highly technical try on communication device.
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  Have some baked bean tins and a bit of string that fabulous,
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  triangular symbol on his arm that he's been hiding this
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  entire tenure. Yes.
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  So, I kept these Blazer and all the time, I'll be starting to
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  crumble. Now he's starting to give give
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  himself away. Are we supposed to lie?
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  It's her low because you know what?
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  It episode 1. When he thinks he's the
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  chameleons getting a signal from try on.
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  He sends like a pulse for him. Doesn't he and hurts?
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  Yeah. Yeah but he I mean I think I
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  think by the end you're supposed to if not like him then
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  understand him a bit more because he because as far as He
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  knows he's still a wanted man, understand his motives here and
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  he's determing to, I mean, he's sort of, he's kind of got a bit
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  more for want of a better word human, having been, because in,
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  like Warriors of the deep, he's all like, know why do humans
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  always want to do the heroic thing just survive.
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  Don't don't be stupid, so, run away and then you can go Well, I
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  don't quite get it. How old this other character is
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  supposed to be the brother who was collected as a baby on the
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  the mountain. Okay.
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  The sequence in the appalling special edition that they put
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  out, have you any of you seen it?
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  Not. I watched it once.
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  When they come, we have taken out the music, which is one of
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  the best things about this story and I've added flames.
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  All the location scenes and then they put in this videotape
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  sequence at the beginning, featuring the ship heading
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  towards saw it goes, get your son to safety and the ship
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  crashes and then the camera pans over onto the baby and I
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  supposed to be malcon as a kid landing on song.
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  Yeah. Because he said they said he was
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  a baby and that's where the the priests found him when he was a
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  baby, I wondered if he was, whether perhaps they were
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  intending to have. A younger.
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  I mean, he looks like a teenager doesn't.
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  He also of mid-teens because he sort of gangly in a bit naive.
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  And whether it was supposed to have been a child or a younger
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  teenager, in the park who sees the chosen, one of course he
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  looks young. Yeah, I know.
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  But if you, if you think that, I mean, I don't know how old
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  turlough is actually supposed to be easy.
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  Meant to be a young adult, what makes you happy?
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  Yeah, yeah, he's presumably the people on trial and it's
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  supposed to look younger than than humans, because they will
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  look about 12 when they turn up with.
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  Yeah. But, but that doesn't sort of
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  the age difference between him and his younger brother, how
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  many years have meant to have passed?
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  That is the only Doctor Who fan approach to watching a story,
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  you know? Well, no, it's just a me
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  approach to a, he's reunited with her reluctant
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  knight-errant. Asia, is the last for like one
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  minute and then she's up in there.
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  Are the master of course, is now in the If we do miss Belle, the
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  main halls and is enough to do that one as well.
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  So it was what? Lines that I can't remember.
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  He says in see that there's dr. Burns slowly.
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  That's that's like Dave just one second.
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  One second because it's like I was going to point.
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  This is your side but I just want to say, I think in terms of
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  production, Value. And in terms of J and T being a
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  producer that can put money on the screen, I think this is one
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  of his best stories. I think there's sets a very good
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  and well lit. The location work is fantastic.
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  The music is really good. There's impressive actors in
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  there as well. Like, in terms of production
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  value, I think this is about, as good as classic doctor who gets
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  he could make that very small per stretch.
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  Quite far when he wanted. So I'm hitting you get to in
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  dilemma in there. Things like that as well.
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  That's that's the payoff but spending the money here but he
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  could really make it stylish. Oh under percent he gets a bad
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  place to often. Nothing gentian he doesn't get
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  enough credit for things like that.
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  Sorry about that is coming up but it all.
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  Here we go. See that?
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  This doctor Burns slowly and a dividend stock to just looking
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  very, what the hell am I going to do?
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  You know what Davison is really good in this?
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  Isn't he? Oh yeah, yeah, it's very good to
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  me when he's given when he's given material to work with.
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  And the character has Character was well, once he was going I
• 25:56
  mean obviously they I think I do want to say that they hired him
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  obviously he was he's a complete contrast to Tom Baker and he
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  always was going to be, but it's almost like in some ways the
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  three sort of my three in inverted commas doctors, well
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  hired. To be faces rather than
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  personalities. And it was like, oh, well, have
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  him. He looks good.
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  Yeah. Okay, fine.
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  Well, what do you want him to do with the part?
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  Oh, that's up to him. And how are they supposed to
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  know? They're actors.
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  They sort of asked him well what you going to do rather than
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  giving him ideas? So thing they took that very
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  let's in Philippines cliff and Terrance dicks took Tom Baker
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  out. Such you got the part.
• 26:51
  What are you going to do with these it?
• 26:52
  I don't know. And then they're saying they'll
• 26:54
  come on, come on stop messing about where you going to do and
• 26:57
  Tom Baker said he doesn't have any really no idea.
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  I think I think produces sometimes think of the doctors
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  being a blank canvas Which isn't very helpful.
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  And I think if you get strong scripts, like Tom did, you've
• 27:11
  got, I mean, if you think about that first season, okay.
• 27:13
  Robot, it's very much a unit sort of throwback, but then you
• 27:18
  get the architect, you get Arc in space and you get Genesis of
• 27:21
  the Daleks two of the best scripts that are doctor.
• 27:24
  Could have poor old Peter gets for to Doomsday, which isn't
• 27:30
  brilliant and cast revolver, which doesn't really feel.
• 27:34
  His doctor that much at all. I mean, I think also when you
• 27:38
  get settled in with with this is visitation and and Kinder, I
• 27:42
  can't imagine any other doctors are doing Kinder.
• 27:44
  I can't imagine Tom being in Kinder.
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  Also he does have his sort of Personality there.
• 27:50
  Yeah. Weirdly then I think they
• 27:51
  overcompensated with Colin Baker's doctor and they gave him
• 27:54
  like this, massively Brash violent over-the-top
• 27:58
  characterization and then he had to struggle to get moments of
• 28:03
  charm in there and moments of Umar, whereas if they just saw
• 28:05
  a, let him play it since I see what.
• 28:08
  Exactly. I mean, the seventh is doctors
• 28:11
  talked about me and Tom Baker of, literally the played
• 28:13
  themselves, really don't because between himself and jump him, he
• 28:17
  was this Suave gentlemen. Well, they said it was Jon
• 28:21
  Pertwee, and Jon Pertwee said, well, I've never played.
• 28:23
  I've always played a character. Yeah, of course.
• 28:26
  Packed exciting was a character actor, so he played that.
• 28:29
  He just saw this photo and was given up.
• 28:32
  It seems that he was giving a better Direction so it's
• 28:34
  interesting. Each approach to the doctor but
• 28:38
  Peters doctor works. Best as like your old man, young
• 28:42
  body finger be getting Frontiers and one or two others.
• 28:45
  If they played or not more, it would have been more happy in
• 28:48
  terms of performance, but unfortunately, but unless he's
• 28:51
  very good, he's like, in episode form will get there.
• 28:55
  He has a silent scene. He doesn't say a word after the
• 28:58
  moth has burned to death. It's all there in his face.
• 29:02
  You know, lesser actor. You shove a camera in their
• 29:04
  face. Us and given no dialogue,
• 29:06
  they're flounder a bit, Dave's knows exactly what he's doing
• 29:09
  the thing. That's most annoying really
• 29:11
  about certain modern books as well as I think by the frontier
• 29:15
  is when they hurt, they get is totally the wrong word game but
• 29:19
  then of course that's when they leave.
• 29:21
  Yes, well, yeah, but we don't agree with you on that one.
• 29:40
  I really wish that Chris Frank bid me.
• 29:42
  Dad stayed as the script editor because he gets you, if you
• 29:45
  watch Peter in front EOS, he's brilliant.
• 29:48
  I think it's one apart from possibly Kaiser and his army.
• 29:52
  I think that's the best performance, he does.
• 29:54
  I think that, I don't think he gives a bad performance.
• 29:56
  I think very, I think Francis is best performers and it's best
• 30:00
  characterization as well. Yeah.
• 30:02
  I do think he's good in cases where over eyes, brilliant
• 30:05
  cases? Well, yeah, I think he's very
• 30:06
  good in Warriors of the deep. I'm no worries of the deep is
• 30:09
  not the fan favorite, but he's very strong in that.
• 30:14
  I just like him all the way through, and I just want to Snug
• 30:19
  his face off because it's gorgeous.
• 30:24
  Have you met it? Yeah, it's an appropriate way to
• 30:30
  it.