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Credlin | 28 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good eving, welcome to the program here, what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. Another isis linked woman charged today by authorities,
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Speaker 2: this time a woman who returned last year under the radar.
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Speaker 2: All the details shortly and what the authorities have and
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Speaker 2: importantly have not told us the net zero agenda well
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Speaker 2: and tuly coming undone. Another stunning intervention from former Labor
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Speaker 2: PM Tony Blair. Other countries are waking up. When will Australia.
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Speaker 2: Plus you know things are bad when even unions are
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Speaker 2: calling out Labor. But that's what's happening in Victoria. The
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Speaker 2: firefighters union manning a big campaign to put Labor last
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Speaker 2: and unseat the premier. Just into Allen. I'll speak to
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Speaker 2: the head of the union, Peter Marshall here in a moment.
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Speaker 2: And as Labor introduces its tax bills to the Parliament
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Speaker 2: policies we were told that wouldn't have the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: is now being challenged to take it to the people by.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister hasn't got the guts to take his
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Speaker 3: toxic taxes to an election.
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Speaker 2: But first today again the protection racket in the Parliament
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Speaker 2: for the Prime Minister, and the Labor liars continued, Remember
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Speaker 2: this is that lie.
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Speaker 4: Bout any changes to negative gearing and capital gains taxes?
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Speaker 5: How hard is it for the fiftieth time?
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Speaker 2: And here's the legislation introduced this morning to do precisely
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Speaker 2: what Labor swore for the fiftieth time it would not do.
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Speaker 6: We know that these changes are contentious. We have seen
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Speaker 6: dishonest scare campaigns already and deliberate distortions of the truth.
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Speaker 2: And yet the revisionism from Labor ministers is utterly shameless.
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Speaker 7: An election twelve months ago and the Australian people emphatically
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Speaker 7: re elected the Albanese Labor government.
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Speaker 2: But not on these changes. But they trust their governments.
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Speaker 7: They trust Anthony Albernese is the Prime Minister of Australia
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Speaker 7: to look at the circumstances that our country faces and
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Speaker 7: to make the best decisions in our national interest.
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Speaker 2: See that I mean utterly shameless. As I said, Labor
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Speaker 2: didn't take any of this to an election, so you
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Speaker 2: can't claim an electoral mandate. In fact, at the election,
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Speaker 2: Labor ruled everything out. So the liar tag is in
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Speaker 2: spin is it? It's a statement of fact. And yet
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Speaker 2: again today, as far as the Speaker is concerned, the
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Speaker 2: facts don't matter. Indeed, worse than that, there are rules
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Speaker 2: for some and not for others. Earlier in the week
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Speaker 2: I showed you this footage of Anthony Albanese as Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister throwing the word liar around in the house and
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Speaker 2: not one word of condemnation. Then from the speaker it.
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Speaker 3: Is a liar.
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Speaker 5: It was a lie from the leader of the opposition.
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Speaker 8: So lie, lie, lie.
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Speaker 2: Okay there for a labor comrade, but not so for
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Speaker 2: former soldier and Conservative MP Phil Thompson. When he took
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Speaker 2: the government on over cuts to veterans health services, ri.
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Speaker 6: Seekly to table the recommendation from the Royal Commission. Veterans
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Speaker 6: deserve better than this Albanesy labor lies.
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Speaker 3: These are lies that you are peddling.
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Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. We'll get the before we go any further.
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Speaker 1: We'll just get the leader to pause a moment and
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Speaker 1: we're going to get the mem for Herbert to withdraw
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Speaker 1: that last.
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Speaker 6: But I was throwing, Speaker, my friend, the people die
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Speaker 6: because of this legislation.
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Speaker 1: Is it is discovered a.
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Speaker 2: Right that brings me to today again more double standards
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Speaker 2: from the Speaker, and note here his use of precedent
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Speaker 2: from speakers in the past, but no mention of his
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Speaker 2: own precedent there with Albanese just two years ago, he
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Speaker 2: overruled all the earlier speakers. Now he's using them to
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Speaker 2: rely upon them. Today in the Chamber he warns the
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Speaker 2: word liar now banned.
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Speaker 1: I don't allow any ambiguity around permitting acquisitions of lying
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Speaker 1: in whatever carefully crafted form to continue. It does not
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Speaker 1: support the dignity of this House. I've looked back at
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Speaker 1: previous Speaker's rulings on this matter and the number of
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Speaker 1: times each Speaker has asked a mem to withdraw these
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Speaker 1: exact type of words. Speak a hawker ten times, Speaker
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Speaker 1: Jenkins forty times, speak a slipper six times, Speaker Burke
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Speaker 1: nine times, Speaker Bishop twenty one, Speaker Smith thirteen, and
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Speaker 1: former Speaker Wallace twice.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't say there, does he of all the times
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Speaker 2: he Milton Dick has allowed it if it's come from
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Speaker 2: a labor MP. So a bad day for the Speaker today,
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Speaker 2: a bad day for the government as well, because when
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Speaker 2: every Australian knows you lied, and then you try and
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Speaker 2: ban the fact of the lie being called out in
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Speaker 2: the Parliament. Well that's his everything about what people hate
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Speaker 2: about modern politics. But it won't hurt Phil Thompson believe
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Speaker 2: me being thrown out of the Parliament for defending veterans
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Speaker 2: or that's gone viral online as it should. And look,
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Speaker 2: I've got to call it as I see it too,
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Speaker 2: really sloppy work today from the opposition in the House. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it was appropriate, a good use of tactics to try
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Speaker 2: and suspend standing orders during question time in order to
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Speaker 2: expose Labour's decision to ram through those tax increases for
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Speaker 2: which they've got no electoral mandate. But the way they
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Speaker 2: did it shows they are not doing their homework as
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Speaker 2: they should. Now, if you want to run a strategy
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Speaker 2: using parliamentary tactics, using the standing orders, then you better
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Speaker 2: make sure you know them inside out, because if you don't,
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Speaker 2: you missed the opportunity to expose the government, while at
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Speaker 2: the same time you just look sloppy.
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Speaker 9: I'd suggest, mister speaker, we're in a situation now where
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Speaker 9: the leader of the Opposition understanding orders, has actually finished
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Speaker 9: his speech which is relatively short.
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Speaker 6: Juarde yourself and I guarde yourself and.
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Speaker 9: His alternative has seconded the motion and finished his speech too.
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Speaker 1: It's an unusual troach order. So the debate was to speaker,
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Speaker 1: has always been the conventions and the way the standing
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Speaker 1: orders works that someone when they move a suspension gives
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Speaker 1: their speech, they don't sit down. The second of then
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Speaker 1: stands and gives their speech. But understanding orders, now the
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Speaker 1: call does go to the other side.
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Speaker 2: Okay on this, the speaker is correct. Colm. On liberals,
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Speaker 2: there's a whole book on the rules. That used to
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Speaker 2: be my job to know them inside out. Someone now
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Speaker 2: needs to make them their job too, so too, Dan
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Speaker 2: Tian and Andrew Hasting, you're the managers of opposition business
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Speaker 2: in the house. Lift your game. That should never happen again.
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Speaker 2: Thank goodness. The performance of the women in Senate estimates
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Speaker 2: are landing the blows that the men can't in the house.
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Speaker 2: Good work again today from Victorian Senator Sarah Henderson, pulling
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Speaker 2: apart many of the failures with that great turmbul era
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Speaker 2: at Albatross snowy two point zero, as well as putting
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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on the ABC.
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Speaker 10: Can you explain why mister Stephens has resigned?
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Speaker 11: I think Senator it's a difficult role.
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Speaker 2: Can I assume mister Marks that mister Stevens was encouraged
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Speaker 2: to resign very strongly.
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Speaker 11: Oh so now I think it's it's inappropriate for me
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Speaker 11: to go into detail in specific staff matters.
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Speaker 2: And her colleague Michaulia Cash too. As I said last night,
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Speaker 2: I'd been giving her best on ground this week. First up,
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Speaker 2: she was the one that exposed Labour's sneaky change to
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Speaker 2: the war crimes definition done on the Choir two years ago,
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Speaker 2: that because it is retrospective, will very likely have the
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Speaker 2: material impact on the trial of anyone charged out of
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Speaker 2: the Breton Inquiry, including Ben Robert Smith, something that David Craig,
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Speaker 2: former AFP Detective Superintendent said on my show this week
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Speaker 2: is disturbing.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's appalling that it's going to be retrospective. I
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Speaker 3: can understand why they made the change because it's very,
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Speaker 3: very difficult to prove. However, it was only changed two
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Speaker 3: years ago, in twenty twenty four, when the active investigation
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Speaker 3: into Ben Robert Smith was going on. So it's like
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Speaker 3: changing the goalposts. As we've spoken about before, Peter, before
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Speaker 3: you go to a war zone, the rules of engagement
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Speaker 3: and the legalities of your engagement are explained very carefully
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Speaker 3: and they would have been explained within the context of
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Speaker 3: the law as it was at the time. You can't
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Speaker 3: send people over every under one law. They come back
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Speaker 3: and then you say, oh, we've just changed the law.
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Speaker 3: Now it's easy to prove that you're guilty of an
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Speaker 3: offense that wouldn't have existed under the previous law. It's
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Speaker 3: simply out Australian, not fair.
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Speaker 2: And cash yet again expose the madness of Julia Gillard's
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Speaker 2: changes to the definition of biological sex and the Sex
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Speaker 2: Discrimination Act, which has led to nonsense like this from
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Speaker 2: the Sex Discrimination Commissioner, quite rightly, has gone viral and
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Speaker 2: has been ridiculed the world over.
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Speaker 12: If someone is who applies for a job, for example, yes,
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Speaker 12: and it is a trans woman, and she may be
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Speaker 12: asked whether or not she intends to have children, and
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Speaker 12: if she replies yes, I do, and then doesn't get
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Speaker 12: the job because that employer doesn't want to employ women
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Speaker 12: who maybe of childbearing age, then she may have been
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Speaker 12: subjected to unlawful discrimination. And on the basis of potential pregnancy.
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Speaker 13: I'm very confused.
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Speaker 12: A biological male can't become pregnant, but the grounds of
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Speaker 12: pregnancy includes potential pregnancy as well as pregnancy.
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Speaker 2: A biological man can't become potentially pregnant either. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Anna Cody should be sacked for her denial of biological
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Speaker 2: scientific fact and her failure to protect the human rights
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Speaker 2: of women. She's making us an international pariah every time
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Speaker 2: she appears at Senate estimates. But at least she's now
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Speaker 2: helping show up the reality of Julia Gillard's treatment of
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Speaker 2: women when she was in the office. Anyoneer now that
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Speaker 2: Guillard is being heckled in the UK, where she now lives,
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Speaker 2: and even in the United States too, I mean, have
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Speaker 2: a look at this response from tennis great Martina nev
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Speaker 2: rattleover to a story from my colleague Sophie Ellsworth, Sophie
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Speaker 2: reporting there that Guillard was heckled over her lack of
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Speaker 2: support for women, and never rattle over, posting, yeah, well
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Speaker 2: she deserves it. Any politician that thinks the real world
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Speaker 2: doesn't care about this issue is got their head in
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Speaker 2: the sand, and caring about the rights of women doesn't
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Speaker 2: mean any of us wants to see discrimination. Meet it
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Speaker 2: out to others or this game on the left that
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Speaker 2: somehow standing up for the rights of women is about
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Speaker 2: abusing trans people. It's not, and that only increases the
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Speaker 2: anger of voters because so many of these labor MPs
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Speaker 2: they live a long long way away from the communities
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Speaker 2: they say they represent in parliament. That's right, Most labor
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Speaker 2: MPs do not live in their electorates, meaning they have
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Speaker 2: lost touch with ordinary people. Now this issue is killing
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Speaker 2: labor in the suburbs because it matters not just to
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Speaker 2: women but dads with daughters, brothers with sisters, and husbands
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Speaker 2: with wives. But late this afternoon, maybe, just maybe there's
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Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope that the Prime Minister will do
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Speaker 2: the right thing with these comments. In where else but
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Speaker 2: on the ABC.
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Speaker 14: Coalition has been saying they want to change the Sex
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Speaker 14: Discrimination Act to redefine women as biological women.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that should happen?
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Speaker 5: It depends what you're asking me. I haven't seen the
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Speaker 5: coalition stuff, so you know the coalition will look for cultures.
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Speaker 5: What I'm interested in is, of course, protecting women. It's
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Speaker 5: important that women spaces be available for women.
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Speaker 2: Right, lazy bugger. Get the legislation went into the Parliament
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Speaker 2: on Monday. Someone in your office can put it on
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Speaker 2: your desk read it over the weekend. How about you
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Speaker 2: fix it next week and make good on that comment
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Speaker 2: there that women in Australia deserve safety and women's only spaces.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll go to Camber now for the headline
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Speaker 2: skinny as political reporter to an In Macintosh.
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Speaker 8: The Nationals are daring the Prime Minister to hold an
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Speaker 8: early election so voters can have their say on Labour's
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Speaker 8: housing tax changes.
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Speaker 7: If the primis at any guts, it'd take this to
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Speaker 7: the election.
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Speaker 15: It'd stopped being accowed.
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Speaker 8: Inside Parliament, the Treasurer introduced the tax overhaul.
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Speaker 6: Do we know that these changes are contentious?
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Speaker 8: The Big Tax Bill bundles together the two hundred and
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Speaker 8: fifty dollars tax offset, the one thousand dollars standard deduction,
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Speaker 8: plus changes to negative gearing and the capital gains tax.
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Speaker 6: Now, anybody who votes against this legislation is voting for
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Speaker 6: higher taxes on workers and for a broken status quo
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Speaker 6: in the housing market.
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Speaker 11: The arrogance of this government and this Prime Minister to
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Speaker 11: not take this to an election, I've never seen anything
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Speaker 11: like it.
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Speaker 2: It's a it's a disgrace.
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Speaker 8: Treasury is consulting with small businesses and startups on potential
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Speaker 8: tweaks to the capital gains tax rules, but Secretary Jenny
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Speaker 8: Wilkinson argues the changes are needed to raise revenue.
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Speaker 2: Any proposed package of reforms will have its critics.
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Speaker 6: This may largely affect the fact that individuals are sensitive
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Speaker 6: about paying additional tax, which is totally understandable.
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Speaker 2: But revenue needs to be raised from somewhere.
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Speaker 8: Another labor premier is piling on pressure in the wake
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Speaker 8: of the budget. Western Australia's Roger Cook calling on the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister to ensure the capital gains tax changes don't
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Speaker 8: adversely impact mining companies.
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Speaker 10: We want to.
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Speaker 16: Make sure that it doesn't disincenter incentivize both international investment
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Speaker 16: in our major projects, but also exploration by small violence.
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Speaker 17: If Jim Chalmers is going to take the gratuitous advice
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Speaker 17: of labor premiers, then really who's he going to take
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Speaker 17: it from? Come on, Jim, oh Grim, Jim, He's destroying
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Speaker 17: this nation.
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Speaker 8: Trudy Macintosh Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Pretty busy week, hasn't it been? You heard there from
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Speaker 2: Trudy that to Jim Chalmers introduced that legislation this labor
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Speaker 2: wants to run through the parliament. Joining me now my panel,
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Speaker 2: skun Is contribute to carry the cats and Barnas and
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Speaker 2: the Deputy Executive Director at the IPA, Dan Wilde. Dan,
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Speaker 2: I just want to put something up on the screen.
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Speaker 2: This is part of the package that Labour's forcing through
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Speaker 2: and they're playing the politics here that they're linking the
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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty dollars tack of tax offset in
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Speaker 2: what's called omnibus legislation, So they're putting a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of things in there. The thing is that the Coalition
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Speaker 2: won't support with the things they will And cam Reddin
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Speaker 2: also has obtained this email notifying senators this will now
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Speaker 2: go off to an inquiry but they'll have just under
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Speaker 2: a month to look into it and consult. And you
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Speaker 2: heard that admission then from the Treasury Secretary Jenny Wilkinson,
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Speaker 2: and I quote she says revenue needs to be raised
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Speaker 2: from somewhere. So that's the chief public servant there making
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Speaker 2: the admission that this is dan a tax scrab.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this was never about home ownership, it was
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Speaker 4: about increasing taxes. So the Treasury Secretary has the cat
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Speaker 4: I think on this one, and I wonder whether Jim
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Speaker 4: Chalmers will be asked whether he supports the comments of
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Speaker 4: his own Department secretary. I think when we take a
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Speaker 4: step back and look at the budget, the whole thing's
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Speaker 4: been a total fast and what's happening is labor MPs
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Speaker 4: are starting to understand that what they were told, what
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Speaker 4: they were briefed, probably by the Treasurer and others in
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Speaker 4: the department, that this was going to be contained just
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Speaker 4: to the housing market, that the impacts, while noticeable, would
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Speaker 4: be modest and manageable, have not proven to be the
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Speaker 4: case at all. It's every sector of the economy is
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Speaker 4: going to be hit by this. And what I've always
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Speaker 4: found fascinating Peter is, on the one hand you had
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Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers saying that this is going to be a
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Speaker 4: massive reform budget, it's ambitious, and on the other hand
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Speaker 4: you look at the actual numbers in the budget and
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Speaker 4: it admits that only seven and a half hour and
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Speaker 4: extra Australians will be in their own home per year
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Speaker 4: under these reforms. So is it an ambitious budget that's
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Speaker 4: going to make a big difference or are they just
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Speaker 4: fiddling around the edges. This has always been the I
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Speaker 4: guess the contradiction at the heart of this entire budget.
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Speaker 4: So I think as time has gone by, people have
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Speaker 4: started to see that this is much different than what
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Speaker 4: they were told it was going to be, including the
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Speaker 4: government's own backbench MPs, and that's why they're trying to
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Speaker 4: ram this through.
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Speaker 2: Well, jan as you know, seven and a half thousand
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Speaker 2: extra people they say will be in a home because
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Speaker 2: of these budget changes, But seven and a half thousand
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Speaker 2: people are coming almost every day under Labour's border protection fast.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's right, and this was one of the major
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Speaker 4: issues when they talked about improving home ownership is there's
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Speaker 4: two things you've got to do. You've got to significantly
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Speaker 4: cut immigration because immigration is the single biggest contributor to
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Speaker 4: a lack of housing affordability, and you've got to build
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Speaker 4: more homes. This budget does neither of them. I mean,
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Speaker 4: if we look at the National Housing Accord, it's met
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Speaker 4: zero out of twenty one monthly targets. It hasn't met
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Speaker 4: one of its targets and the government's just given up.
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Speaker 4: So it does nothing about the demand side, which is migration.
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Speaker 4: It does nothing about the supply side, which is building houses.
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Speaker 4: Yet somehow we're supposed to believe this is going to
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Speaker 4: fix home ownership.
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Speaker 2: All right, Caroly, As Dan mentioned there, you've got a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of labor backbenches reportedly lobbying hard the treasure.
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Speaker 2: They can't justify this in their electorates. They say they're
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Speaker 2: being hit on social media. These are deeply unpopular changes
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Speaker 2: that there is no mandate and the whole point about
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Speaker 2: Labour's lie that's really cut through. You've now got very
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Speaker 2: public figures like Chris Men's. Of course he was out
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Speaker 2: there yesterday saying this must be changed. But today we
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Speaker 2: have the WA Premier, Roger Cook saying this.
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Speaker 16: We want to make sure that it doesn't disincentive incentivize
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Speaker 16: both international investment in our major projects but also exploration
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Speaker 16: by our small lens caple So we obviously don't want
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Speaker 16: to disincentivise our exploration industry.
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Speaker 2: That's why, Caroly, they're trying to ram it through as
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Speaker 2: quick as possible and try and put this behind them.
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Speaker 14: But it's also alarm bells because as we know in
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Speaker 14: Western Australia, it's one of the largest mining states like Queensland,
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Speaker 14: and you know thirty four billion dollars is invested in
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Speaker 14: mining INWA, but it returns about two hundred and thirty
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Speaker 14: billion dollars and all that will happen is mining companies
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Speaker 14: will go elsewhere. They'll go to Africa, they'll go to
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Speaker 14: the Coat Deuvoir. It doesn't matter. And the thing is,
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Speaker 14: when you've got two labor premiers across the Nullabore that
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Speaker 14: are actually raising the red flags quite literally and saying
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Speaker 14: stop what you're doing Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanisi, is
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Speaker 14: not going to help any of us because as we
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Speaker 14: know a lot of the companies they do support labor.
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Speaker 14: But this is the tipping point, this is the actual
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Speaker 14: tip of the iceberg, and it's not good because there's
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Speaker 14: a lot of jobs, investment and WA relies on all
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Speaker 14: that and it will miss, but so will the whole
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Speaker 14: of Australia.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll talk about other bits of detail that
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Speaker 2: labor doesn't want us to pick up on. You remember
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Speaker 2: last month when Labor signed that free trade deal with
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Speaker 2: the EU that I warned there was a trojan horse
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Speaker 2: in here that locked in climate targets. Have a listen
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Speaker 2: mark my words. This is a climate stitch up by stealth.
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Speaker 2: What the Albany is a government seems to be doing
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Speaker 2: today with this free trade deal with the EU is
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Speaker 2: now permitting trade sanctions, trade sanctions that will force Australia
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Speaker 2: or punish Australia if we do not meet these now
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Speaker 2: binding Paris agreements. Now, I went embarrassed the Liberals at
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Speaker 2: the time who went out there and crowed and talked
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Speaker 2: up this EU FTA. I remember starting the draft of
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Speaker 2: the initial one with Tony Abbott and had all these
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Speaker 2: climate hooks in it. I went looking for them again
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Speaker 2: and they're all there, and they were there on the
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Speaker 2: website of the EU as we're on the website, buried
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. But finally ten O'Brian's done his homework.
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Speaker 2: It looks like the liberals have seen the lights.
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Speaker 18: Personally, I want to see a deal done with Europe,
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Speaker 18: but we can't be trading away our sovereignty. And that's
21:13
Speaker 18: concern with this deal because for the first time, the
21:16
Speaker 18: Albanezy government is signing Australia up to climate obligations with
21:21
Speaker 18: really tough enforceable penalties if we failed to achieve the
21:26
Speaker 18: government's targets.
21:29
Speaker 2: Dan, I don't know why it took me twenty four
21:32
Speaker 2: hours to find all those hooks. It's taken them two
21:34
Speaker 2: and a half months but I guess I should be
21:36
Speaker 2: thankful that we are where we are now, and it
21:39
Speaker 2: looks like we might have a fight in relation to
21:41
Speaker 2: this really bad FDA with Europe.
21:46
Speaker 4: Well, probably because you actually bothered to read it. Not
21:50
Speaker 4: many people actually take the time to read these things.
21:53
Speaker 4: I think in terms of the substance of this, I
21:56
Speaker 4: reckon this is a really big deal for Chris Bowen.
21:59
Speaker 4: He's the press president of COP which is basically doing
22:03
Speaker 4: the bidding of the EU, so he has divided loyalties.
22:06
Speaker 4: As the president of COP He's going to want to
22:08
Speaker 4: see these deals done anything that's going to be advantageous
22:11
Speaker 4: to the climate crusaders. But plainly this is not an
22:14
Speaker 4: Australia's national interest. So I don't see how he can
22:16
Speaker 4: continue to serve in his role as Energy Minister when
22:19
Speaker 4: he has divided loyalties. In terms of the free trade
22:23
Speaker 4: deal itself, well, unfortunately, free trade deals today are not
22:27
Speaker 4: free trade deals that they used to be. The EU
22:30
Speaker 4: is trying to gain an unfair advantage by effectively imposing
22:35
Speaker 4: a tariff, if you like, on other countries that don't
22:37
Speaker 4: have similar impositions on their domestic industry as the EU does.
22:42
Speaker 4: So this is a very very bad deal. Australia should
22:45
Speaker 4: be nowhere near it. Good on teto' brian for calling
22:48
Speaker 4: it out, and I agree the Coalition should say.
22:51
Speaker 19: No to it.
22:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, agree with that point on teto Brian's done his homework.
22:55
Speaker 2: Caroly one year on from the machete binz sixteen million dollars.
23:02
Speaker 2: It's cost Victorians only the good guy's handed them in.
23:05
Speaker 2: The criminals certainly did not. And we've sadly got a
23:09
Speaker 2: report there's been forty public knife fights involving machetes, three
23:13
Speaker 2: of which have been the loss of lives of individuals
23:17
Speaker 2: in Victoria. And yet the Premier still likes to crow
23:22
Speaker 2: about this ban that clearly isn't working.
23:24
Speaker 14: Well, definitely isn't working, as you said. I mean four deaths,
23:27
Speaker 14: you know, at least forty victims and every day there's
23:31
Speaker 14: something a revolving door of bail. It was a thirteen
23:33
Speaker 14: million dollar gimmick and at the same time fifty million
23:36
Speaker 14: dollars was cut from the Victorian police budget. Go figure.
23:39
Speaker 14: You've got people mowing, you know, bunning stuff, mowing the
23:42
Speaker 14: lawns in front of police stations just to try and
23:45
Speaker 14: help out. It hasn't worked. It just hasn't worked, and
23:48
Speaker 14: they keep saying that it has. And as we know,
23:50
Speaker 14: the Liberals are going to go hard on this for
23:53
Speaker 14: the election. This is definitely an election topic because Victorians
23:57
Speaker 14: have just had enough. There are far too many innocent
23:59
Speaker 14: lives and who on earth thought that people were just
24:02
Speaker 14: going to handle the machetes into the bins. This is
24:05
Speaker 14: a gang culture. It's dangerous, it's machete madness. Victorians have
24:10
Speaker 14: had enough.
24:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to Victoria, Welcome to Melbourne. It's like Mogadishu
24:14
Speaker 2: on some Friday and Saturday nights. I'm afraid to report.
24:17
Speaker 2: I'll live near the city, so I'm telling you what
24:19
Speaker 2: I know. Thank you to you both. That's gone out
24:22
Speaker 2: of the news today that federal authorities have charged another
24:26
Speaker 2: one of the icist linked to women with terrorism offenses.
24:30
Speaker 2: Ryan al Hooley, thirty four year old from broad Meadows
24:33
Speaker 2: in Melbourne's North, quietly returned to Australia from Lebanon in
24:37
Speaker 2: September last year. Well today we learned she's been charged
24:40
Speaker 2: with remaining in a declared conflict zone and being a
24:44
Speaker 2: member of a terrorist organization. Here to discuss this and more,
24:48
Speaker 2: Shadow Defense Minister James Patterson, Well Senator, it's never been
24:53
Speaker 2: clearer we have an open door policy. It would seem
24:56
Speaker 2: to allege terrorists in this country.
25:00
Speaker 15: That's right, Peter, and it's certainly welcome that this person
25:03
Speaker 15: has now been charged with these very serious crimes and
25:06
Speaker 15: it will be up to court to decide their guilt
25:08
Speaker 15: or innocence. But the very fact that this person has
25:11
Speaker 15: been charged with, as you say, a declared area offense,
25:14
Speaker 15: which means they were in an area prohibited by the
25:16
Speaker 15: Australian government and you can only be in there I
25:18
Speaker 15: have a permitted reason like being an aid worker for example,
25:21
Speaker 15: and also has been charged with being a member of
25:24
Speaker 15: a listed terrorist organization shows that this cohorted people do
25:28
Speaker 15: pose a potential security risk to Australia, and that means
25:31
Speaker 15: that the Australian government had options open to them to
25:33
Speaker 15: prevent their return to Australia. They could have canceled or
25:37
Speaker 15: refused their passports under the Passport Act given that they
25:40
Speaker 15: potentially represented a threat to Australia, and they could have
25:42
Speaker 15: applied for temporary exclusion orders to keep them offshore while
25:46
Speaker 15: these investigations took place, so that if they did return,
25:50
Speaker 15: they could have been charged immediately upon their return not
25:53
Speaker 15: been free to move around the community as this person
25:55
Speaker 15: appears to have been for about eight months.
25:59
Speaker 2: That's get some detail about what will happen now that
26:03
Speaker 2: these individuals are home in Australia. Listen to this from
26:06
Speaker 2: the New South Wales Premier today.
26:09
Speaker 10: We're asking for funding from the federal government in relation
26:12
Speaker 10: to the settlement of returnees. That's been the arrangement in
26:16
Speaker 10: place between New South Wales and the Commonwealth for different
26:19
Speaker 10: tranches of returnees. And you know, I want a bit
26:22
Speaker 10: of help covering the costs now. Those costs are partly
26:25
Speaker 10: in relation to counter terrorism investigations. They're also about ensuring
26:30
Speaker 10: that kids in particularly get back into school.
26:36
Speaker 2: Okay, Senator, there is so little transparency here. When you
26:42
Speaker 2: hear that they're from the New South Wales Premier, what
26:45
Speaker 2: do you think it means. Are we talking about obviously
26:47
Speaker 2: legal aids for these women as they are appearing in court.
26:50
Speaker 2: Are we talking about housing support for them? Are we
26:53
Speaker 2: talking about tutoring or language classes? I would assume some
26:57
Speaker 2: of these children may not speak English, they will go
27:00
Speaker 2: to school. Look at the d RAD programs. Who's running them?
27:03
Speaker 2: How much are we spending? I mean they are leaving
27:06
Speaker 2: most of these people freely in the community. The woman
27:09
Speaker 2: in broad Meadows is a good example. Where's the detail
27:12
Speaker 2: and the honesty from our government.
27:17
Speaker 15: Well, that's exactly right, Peter. The answer to your question
27:19
Speaker 15: is all of the above they would be eligible for.
27:21
Speaker 15: In addition to that, they're also eligible for unemployment benefits
27:25
Speaker 15: if they are unable to work, and it's often the
27:28
Speaker 15: case that they are not able to work. But probably
27:30
Speaker 15: the biggest cost that's imposed on the taxpayer and on
27:33
Speaker 15: the government is if they are a person of concern
27:37
Speaker 15: that requires monitoring by AZIO or the Federal Police. The
27:40
Speaker 15: resources required to go into monitoring these people in the
27:43
Speaker 15: community in terms of dollars is really significant. It is
27:47
Speaker 15: not a cheap thing to monitor someone in the community.
27:49
Speaker 15: And in addition to that, these are resources that are
27:52
Speaker 15: taken away from AZIO or the AFP that could be
27:55
Speaker 15: allocated to other tasks. So it's a very significant burden
27:58
Speaker 15: on the taxpayer and it is another reason why if
28:01
Speaker 15: it is possible to keep them out of the country,
28:03
Speaker 15: that is your first part of call, because obviously when
28:05
Speaker 15: they're outside of Australia, they're not accessing any of those
28:08
Speaker 15: benefits and they're not imposing any of those costs on
28:11
Speaker 15: our security agencies.
28:13
Speaker 2: Okay, well, what about the Prime Minister and Tony Burke,
28:16
Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Minister, repeatedly saying they're getting no assistance,
28:20
Speaker 2: And we learned today obviously they were ushered out of airports,
28:23
Speaker 2: they were clearly assisted in that regard. They were put
28:25
Speaker 2: up in hotels, they were guarded by terror police, and
28:29
Speaker 2: then they were picked up by family members or driven
28:32
Speaker 2: to other home addresses after the media interests died down.
28:37
Speaker 2: That seems like assistance to me.
28:41
Speaker 15: It certainly is. And of course, one of the family
28:44
Speaker 15: members of one of these Isis Linked women publicly thanked
28:47
Speaker 15: the Australian government for the assistance in bringing them home.
28:51
Speaker 15: So I think when even supporters of these women acknowledge
28:54
Speaker 15: that the Australian government has assisted them to bring home,
28:57
Speaker 15: ordinary Australians can see that's exactly what this government had done.
29:00
Speaker 15: And we know from the leaked minutes from Tony Burke's
29:04
Speaker 15: meeting with the charity that was advocating bringing these people
29:06
Speaker 15: home that he was saying that there could be other
29:09
Speaker 15: ways of achieving their objectives, that it would be helpful
29:12
Speaker 15: if this was kept out of the media that there
29:14
Speaker 15: would be no resistance from the Australian government if the
29:16
Speaker 15: charity sought to bring them home, and that was while
29:18
Speaker 15: there was a Home Affairs official in the room observing
29:21
Speaker 15: the meeting. At some point in the meeting, Tony Burke said,
29:23
Speaker 15: could you please leave the room so I can have
29:25
Speaker 15: a private discussion with the charity. God only knows what
29:28
Speaker 15: happened in that private discussion. So I think it's very
29:30
Speaker 15: clear this government wanted these people home. They opened the
29:34
Speaker 15: door for them to come home, they removed the obstacles
29:37
Speaker 15: for them to come home, and they are responsible for
29:39
Speaker 15: them now they are home.
29:42
Speaker 2: James, I know we've got set in estimates running on
29:44
Speaker 2: this week and obviously into next week, and you may
29:46
Speaker 2: well be pursuing it in that place, But how much
29:49
Speaker 2: are we spending? How many millions do we spend on
29:51
Speaker 2: these deradicalization programs and who runs them? Because I seem
29:56
Speaker 2: to recall in previous eras money was given to Muslim
30:00
Speaker 2: organizations to run these programs. I think Australians would want
30:05
Speaker 2: to know perhaps that they were government run, not given
30:08
Speaker 2: to stakeholder bodies.
30:14
Speaker 15: The last time I looked at this was a couple
30:15
Speaker 15: of years ago when I was in the Home affairs portfolio.
30:18
Speaker 15: And the answer is many, many millions of dollars, sometimes
30:21
Speaker 15: given to charities and NGOs, sometimes given to contractors and companies.
30:25
Speaker 15: But I think the key thing is there's a really
30:27
Speaker 15: big debate about whether or not these programs ever work.
30:30
Speaker 15: There are experts in the field who say it is
30:32
Speaker 15: simply not possible to deradicalize someone with a deradicalization program.
30:37
Speaker 15: If they are genuinely and sincerely committed to their ideology,
30:41
Speaker 15: there is nothing you can do to move them off
30:43
Speaker 15: that iogeology. And to be clear, this is the Islamist ideology,
30:47
Speaker 15: extremist ideology that believes that non Muslims should be subjugated
30:51
Speaker 15: by Muslims and that violence is an acceptable way to
30:54
Speaker 15: bring about that ideological religious objective. So I think we
30:58
Speaker 15: need to have a deep dive on this, and I
31:00
Speaker 15: want the Bond Bye Royal Commission to take a very
31:02
Speaker 15: close look at this. How many millions of dollars have
31:04
Speaker 15: we spent over the last few decades and how many
31:06
Speaker 15: people have actually been successfully rehabilitated and cured of that
31:10
Speaker 15: evil ideology.
31:12
Speaker 2: I'll over it there, thank you, James Patterson. I will
31:15
Speaker 2: make the point I looked into this in the United
31:17
Speaker 2: Kingdom and some of the reports are there, and this
31:19
Speaker 2: is House of Lords, this is Home Office reports. There
31:22
Speaker 2: are individuals involved in terror attacks who had been through
31:25
Speaker 2: and passed deradicalization programs. And we'll get to the UK
31:29
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks time, and I am going
31:31
Speaker 2: to follow that up for the latest l right after
31:34
Speaker 2: the break. You know, Victorian labor's in trouble when a
31:37
Speaker 2: union turns on them. This is the United Firefighters Union.
31:41
Speaker 2: They're urging voters to put labor last, and they're going
31:44
Speaker 2: after the Premier. Welcome about coming up a stark warning
31:52
Speaker 2: that the federal government's asleep at the wheel when it
31:54
Speaker 2: comes to artificial intelligence. But first, as we approach the
31:58
Speaker 2: Nevemba state election in Victoria, something really significance happening on
32:01
Speaker 2: the ground with the United Firefighters Union rolling out a
32:04
Speaker 2: very significant campaign to unseat labor. You heard, be right,
32:10
Speaker 2: Firefighters Union want to unseat labor. Now it's also becoming
32:15
Speaker 2: pretty clear that Decinta Allen is under real pressure to
32:18
Speaker 2: hold her own seat of Bennigel East. She was out
32:21
Speaker 2: there forced to doorknock over the weekend. Something in the
32:25
Speaker 2: firefighters union say they themselves have been doing for months
32:29
Speaker 2: and months to throw her out.
32:31
Speaker 20: Ciner Allen may have been daw knocking in her electorate
32:34
Speaker 20: on the weekend, but Bendigo firefighters have been engaging with
32:38
Speaker 20: the public for months now, including doing ladder drops around
32:42
Speaker 20: their areas. Engagements with the public have been extremely positive,
32:46
Speaker 20: and we've been telling them that firefighters have had enough.
32:49
Speaker 20: We've had enough of being underfunded, We've had enough of
32:52
Speaker 20: being under resourced, We've had enough of our trucks breaken down,
32:56
Speaker 20: and we've had enough of this government neglecting the fire
33:00
Speaker 20: and that's why this November we're putting labor lasts.
33:07
Speaker 2: Joined me the head of that union, Peter Marshall, in
33:09
Speaker 2: the studio. Well pretty powerful, I said to you in
33:13
Speaker 2: the break there. I've been watching the social media activity
33:16
Speaker 2: and you know there's not an area of Victoria where
33:19
Speaker 2: your members are not out there fighting and door knocking
33:22
Speaker 2: and putting flyers that I've got one here. It's just
33:24
Speaker 2: into Alan fly putting flies like this in people's hands.
33:28
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the fighting Bendigoese. What's driving it?
33:31
Speaker 11: Well, what's driving is there? Under the Just Center. Allen's
33:34
Speaker 11: government the fire services are broken as simple as that,
33:37
Speaker 11: despite enormous taxes being raised by the public, that new levy,
33:42
Speaker 11: none of that has found its way into the fire
33:44
Speaker 11: So so for example, at Bendigo, you've got an aerial
33:47
Speaker 11: appliance there which goes all the way to Miljura. That's
33:50
Speaker 11: twenty five years of age. The trucks have a fifteen
33:53
Speaker 11: age fifteen year lifespam on a daily break on a
33:59
Speaker 11: daily basis breakdown. There's been enormous wastage of money on
34:04
Speaker 11: consultants and lawyers trying to take away fire fighter safety conditions.
34:08
Speaker 11: Benigo has a new fire station that's been vacant for five.
34:12
Speaker 2: Years, been vacant.
34:14
Speaker 11: It's been built, but it's empty because the government won't
34:19
Speaker 11: and no fire no just an empty building and that's
34:22
Speaker 11: been there for five years. On top of that, what
34:25
Speaker 11: we're seeing here is it's unusual for firefighters who actually mobilize.
34:29
Speaker 11: They're very qu they don't seek accolades, they don't go
34:32
Speaker 11: out in the public very often to campaign on issues.
34:35
Speaker 11: But their fire service has actually had budget cuts. Their trucks.
34:39
Speaker 11: One hundred and fifty of their trucks are out of date.
34:43
Speaker 11: The fire service under the Allen government spent sixteen million
34:49
Speaker 11: dollars of lawyers trying to take away they're protecting conditions.
34:53
Speaker 11: Don't talk about pay increases, just they're protected clothing. They're
34:56
Speaker 11: trying to take away through legal thatation to say that
35:01
Speaker 11: firefighters don't have a say in that standards.
35:03
Speaker 2: It kind of just jump in there because I want
35:04
Speaker 2: to make people in other states understand that Victorians pay
35:07
Speaker 2: a massive fire leaving it. If you listen to the premiere,
35:10
Speaker 2: which is asked about this in media conferences, she says,
35:14
Speaker 2: we've got all of this money and every dollar is
35:16
Speaker 2: going into the fire service.
35:18
Speaker 11: It's simply not true because, as I said, there's one
35:23
Speaker 11: hundred and fifty fire trucks that should be off the
35:26
Speaker 11: road the investment in the fire service. I think this budget,
35:29
Speaker 11: which is old money, re announced for ten million dollars
35:33
Speaker 11: that actually buys less than ten trucks, and we've got
35:36
Speaker 11: one hundred and fifty it should be replaced. And you're correct,
35:39
Speaker 11: this is not consolidated revenue. Sure, the government may have
35:43
Speaker 11: problems in relation to debt, etc. This is a separate
35:47
Speaker 11: revenue stream that every household, every business pays to ensure
35:52
Speaker 11: they have fire protection and they don't. So the question
35:55
Speaker 11: is where is the money going, because it's certainly not
35:58
Speaker 11: going to where it's needed relation to fire protection. We
36:02
Speaker 11: will be handing out at the election. And this is
36:04
Speaker 11: a government that has actually deserted the firefighters in the
36:07
Speaker 11: fire service. They keep on making an announcements is simply
36:10
Speaker 11: not true. But for firefighters to spend their own time
36:14
Speaker 11: going and lead in boxing in the premiers electorate. They've
36:17
Speaker 11: actually let a box around eight thousand homes and they'll continue.
36:20
Speaker 2: To do the terms for people at home. That's that's
36:22
Speaker 2: very significant.
36:23
Speaker 11: Well, they'll continue to do so. But you know, the
36:26
Speaker 11: interesting thing is the Premier has not visited the fire
36:29
Speaker 11: station once, has not gone and seen the firefighters once,
36:34
Speaker 11: and certainly that's damning in diapen on people. Whatever she
36:38
Speaker 11: may think about the union, the reality is these are
36:40
Speaker 11: people that put their life on the line on a
36:42
Speaker 11: daily basis.
36:44
Speaker 2: It's a bit call for a muscular union to take
36:48
Speaker 2: on a labor premier like the pin Marshall.
36:50
Speaker 11: Well, no, we actually we actually have a mixture of
36:55
Speaker 11: female and male firefighters.
36:56
Speaker 2: Now I mean muscular in that you've got plenty of
36:58
Speaker 2: weight to throw around about gender.
37:00
Speaker 11: No, Well, if you had a said large fit the model.
37:06
Speaker 11: Well not really, this is how bad it is. And
37:08
Speaker 11: can I say, as I said, you just seen one
37:11
Speaker 11: of our members and members actually take giving up their
37:14
Speaker 11: own time to let the public know we do not
37:17
Speaker 11: have the fire trucks to protect you in your time
37:19
Speaker 11: and need. This government is not resourcing the fire service
37:23
Speaker 11: with your money to ensure we can protect you. This
37:26
Speaker 11: is a government that's lost their way. They've deserted the
37:28
Speaker 11: fire service. As I said, And if you've talked about
37:31
Speaker 11: the SURFA volunteers, there's seven hundred of their tankers which
37:35
Speaker 11: should be replaced in off the row. You know, what
37:38
Speaker 11: we're seeing here is a broken fire service. We're a
37:41
Speaker 11: lot of retoric coming out of the state government under
37:44
Speaker 11: the Allen government, but there's very little transaction in relation
37:48
Speaker 11: to fixing the problem. In fact, there's nil all.
37:50
Speaker 2: Right amount of time. I just want to say that
37:52
Speaker 2: before we go, a really big win for firefighters today.
37:55
Speaker 2: At least you've got the ball rolling. The Commonwealth has
37:58
Speaker 2: agreed to Suit three M. That makes a lot of
38:01
Speaker 2: the protective clothing. I know the military use it, but
38:04
Speaker 2: it's very frontline for your members. And there's a connection
38:08
Speaker 2: now very clearly established between that equipment and cancer.
38:12
Speaker 11: Well, prefast is a real issue which firefighters actually identified.
38:16
Speaker 11: But one of the reasons this particular government, the Allen government,
38:20
Speaker 11: they actually refused to litigate Free m four years ago
38:25
Speaker 11: when it was named. And here we have the federal
38:27
Speaker 11: government taking out the very litigation against the company it's
38:31
Speaker 11: responsible for this particular chemical.
38:35
Speaker 2: Right, any wonder you want to put her last?
38:37
Speaker 11: Well, you know you have to ask the question at
38:39
Speaker 11: the end of the day, what makes firefighters give up
38:42
Speaker 11: their own time to go and tell the public that
38:44
Speaker 11: this is a government that does not give us the
38:46
Speaker 11: equipment to protect you. That means we haven't got the equipment. Marshall,
38:51
Speaker 11: Thank you, thank you.
38:52
Speaker 2: Right, I'm going to head up to Bendigo in the
38:55
Speaker 2: next couple of days. I'm going to go around Benigoese
38:57
Speaker 2: the premiers electorate, to a lot of people and I'll
39:01
Speaker 2: bring you a report when I'm back at the desk
39:03
Speaker 2: next week. All Right, the Pope, the Pope is saying
39:07
Speaker 2: AI is a real problem, artificial intelligence. It's a global concern,
39:11
Speaker 2: he says, So why has the Prime Minister disbanded his
39:15
Speaker 2: expert group? Welcome back another missive today from Tony Blair.
39:25
Speaker 2: Urging labor there to dump zero completely. That's very interesting,
39:30
Speaker 2: but let's go now to some other issues. Those warnings
39:33
Speaker 2: this week out of the Vatican from Pope Leo in
39:35
Speaker 2: his first major letter to the world. They call it
39:38
Speaker 2: an encyclical condemning the unregulated move to artificial intelligence. And
39:43
Speaker 2: this coming from the Pope, tells you it's an issue
39:46
Speaker 2: of worldwide importance.
39:48
Speaker 13: Hebolism Artificial intelligence needs to be disarmed. Decisions about technology
39:57
Speaker 13: must never be separated from conscience and respon onsibility.
40:02
Speaker 2: Here in Australia too, we've got unions ramping up a
40:06
Speaker 2: campaign for urgent government regulation of AI, amid fresh questions
40:11
Speaker 2: yet again as to why the Prime Minister's expert AI
40:15
Speaker 2: Advisory Group, which he established was shut down despite promises
40:20
Speaker 2: it would guide government policy. And someone who served on
40:24
Speaker 2: that panel at the time as one of Australia's leading
40:27
Speaker 2: experts in AI, chief scientist at the AI Institute at
40:31
Speaker 2: the University of New South Wales, Professor at Toby Walsh
40:34
Speaker 2: and he joins me again, now, excuse me, a professor,
40:37
Speaker 2: where is the Australian government on this because that missive
40:41
Speaker 2: from the Pope today, Oh sorry, this week reminded me
40:45
Speaker 2: that we in this country have really dropped the ball
40:49
Speaker 2: on AI.
40:51
Speaker 21: Yeah.
40:51
Speaker 22: The funny thing is the Pope is also setting up
40:53
Speaker 22: his own expert group to ADVISI about that. At the
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Speaker 22: same time, the Australia governments very clear that they're not
41:01
Speaker 22: planning any new regulation. They're going to apply existing regulation.
41:05
Speaker 22: There's much that we can do enforcing existing regulation, existing privacy,
41:08
Speaker 22: competition law and such, but there's going to be fresh harms.
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Speaker 22: We saw that with social media. Let's not repeat the
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Speaker 22: mistakes of social media. Let's regulate the I while we can.
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Speaker 2: So why did you disband the group? Because around the
41:22
Speaker 2: world they are looking at it, and they're looking at
41:24
Speaker 2: it seriously, and you make the absolute valid point. We
41:27
Speaker 2: didn't regulate social media. Now we've tried to retrofit it
41:30
Speaker 2: after terrible harm, particularly to young people. We've got to
41:34
Speaker 2: get this right.
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Speaker 20: We have.
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Speaker 22: Unfortunately, certainly in the US, there's been a tide turning
41:41
Speaker 22: against the idea of regulation that they feel they're in
41:43
Speaker 22: a race for China and they have to win that
41:45
Speaker 22: race whatever it takes, and we're sort of towing the
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Speaker 22: American line there rather than towing the Australian line.
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Speaker 2: I looked at comments today from the head of the
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Speaker 2: Business Council saying, you know we miss we'll miss out
41:59
Speaker 2: in once in a generation AI investment boom. If we
42:04
Speaker 2: don't go fast, we don't go quickly. He doesn't want
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Speaker 2: excessive regulation, he says, he wants clarity. He wants obviously
42:12
Speaker 2: a lot of spending on data centers in Australia. At
42:15
Speaker 2: the same time we've got the unions, as I said,
42:18
Speaker 2: you know really building the Khaki is saying these jobs
42:21
Speaker 2: will go, they'll never come back. So we need to
42:24
Speaker 2: think through very carefully how we manage this enormous dislocation
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Speaker 2: in the workforce.
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Speaker 22: We certainly do, and there's no shortage of investment into
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Speaker 22: data centers. We're getting billions of dollars being spent by
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Speaker 22: Australian and overseas companies here building data centers. There's no problem.
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Speaker 22: We just need to plan that well. No one is
42:45
Speaker 22: not investing. We're a very attractive place to build those
42:47
Speaker 22: data centers. We've got plentiful renewables, we've got plentiful land,
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Speaker 22: it's very stable political economy, so that there's every incentive
42:55
Speaker 22: for them to build their data centers here. And they're
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Speaker 22: certainly building them out. We don't have to water down
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Speaker 22: any regulation, accept any harms for those sorts of investments
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Speaker 22: to come here on shore.
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Speaker 2: To Australia, Professor Walsh, if the PM's not talking to
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Speaker 2: you and you're an expert, then who is he talking to.
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Speaker 22: Well, he was talking to the head of Anthropic Anthropy
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Speaker 22: open their lamp here and there's lots of dignities from Anthropic.
43:21
Speaker 22: So it's talking to some of these tech leaders. But
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Speaker 22: they've got very invested interest. There's lots of money being
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Speaker 22: made here and the union's are right, we should be
43:29
Speaker 22: worrying about, you know, the impact is going to have
43:31
Speaker 22: on workers. Where are the jobs going to go? How
43:35
Speaker 22: are we going to help people transition through the disruption
43:38
Speaker 22: this brings. This is going to be an interesting, exciting,
43:42
Speaker 22: troublesome time.
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Speaker 2: I love it there. Thank you Toby Walsh, and thank
43:46
Speaker 2: you for the continuing to sort of push the debate
43:49
Speaker 2: in this country. Right after break and it's zero Tony
43:52
Speaker 2: Blair will get to that, but a whole lot more.
43:53
Speaker 2: And this race in Texas, why till I tell you
43:56
Speaker 2: about that one? Well, the bag well, you know former
44:05
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Labor, Prime Minister Tony Blair is no fan
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Speaker 2: of that zero, but he has really ripped into the issue.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 19: So I particularly identify that, you know, the very large
44:18
Speaker 19: summer money we're spending on that zero, which I just
44:21
Speaker 19: don't think is the right priority for the country. Now
44:23
Speaker 19: it's coming to terms with this reality. The three biggest
44:30
Speaker 19: emitters in the world today are China, America and Indian Right,
44:35
Speaker 19: all of them are pursuing cheap energy and electrification. Doesn't
44:39
Speaker 19: we just say they're not doing reneable energy. China builds
44:41
Speaker 19: more renewable energy the rest of world put together. It
44:44
Speaker 19: just means that the lens through which they judge policy
44:47
Speaker 19: is cheap energy.
44:51
Speaker 2: I might add China, in addition to its renewables, is
44:54
Speaker 2: it rolling out more coal fire power than anyone else
44:57
Speaker 2: put together. But we'll get into this now with my
44:59
Speaker 2: panel Sky News contributed Coshagada, former labor and Michael Danby Michael,
45:05
Speaker 2: one labor man to another sensible labor man. As you
45:08
Speaker 2: are there are both of you. I look at the
45:11
Speaker 2: data center race, you know, the huge amounts of energy
45:14
Speaker 2: that we'll need for AI. I sort of fear and
45:17
Speaker 2: particularly there with the comments from Blair, the whole craziness
45:22
Speaker 2: of the climate war. It's over now. Labor here is
45:25
Speaker 2: slow to realize where they are, but it's over.
45:29
Speaker 19: Well.
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Speaker 17: Like in the transition, we seem to be behind the
45:31
Speaker 17: April all over Europe. Bundes Councilar Mertzers now saying he
45:35
Speaker 17: regrets that Germany doesn't have nuclear power that was abolished
45:40
Speaker 17: by his MUTTI Merkle and Tony Blair is dead right.
45:46
Speaker 2: I mean a prioritation about cheap, reliable.
45:50
Speaker 17: Cheap reliable energy, and we're going to need much more
45:52
Speaker 17: of it because all of these vast ai centers. Britain's
45:56
Speaker 17: going to have to increase its nuclear power. It's got
45:58
Speaker 17: all that oil sitting out in the north, it might
46:01
Speaker 17: have to use fossil fuels. And similarly with Cole just
46:06
Speaker 17: logic and Andy Burnham, I mean, get a life, please.
46:10
Speaker 17: You can attack mister Blair, but he's some Mister Burnham
46:13
Speaker 17: used to be a right winger when that was fashionable.
46:17
Speaker 17: Now he's an opportunist.
46:18
Speaker 2: Now it's a being in the end of net zero.
46:20
Speaker 2: But I'm the sort of person when something's starting to
46:22
Speaker 2: die from the other side, I want to put a
46:23
Speaker 2: stake in its heart. So please to my audience, I'm
46:26
Speaker 2: not going to give up in the fight. Where to
46:27
Speaker 2: make sure it's absolutely stone mother is dead. Let's go
46:30
Speaker 2: to Texas because my husband loves a bit of US politics,
46:33
Speaker 2: and he was, you know, in around the toaster the
46:37
Speaker 2: other day, telling me all about the race in Texas.
46:39
Speaker 2: He says, it is absolutely fascinating, So give us an update.
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Speaker 21: So this is huge news in the last twenty four
46:45
Speaker 21: hours where a four term Senator, John Cornan, who's been
46:49
Speaker 21: in office for twenty three years, raised one hundred and
46:52
Speaker 21: twenty five million dollars for a primary, which is unprecedented.
46:56
Speaker 21: Those numbers just keep going up and up and up.
46:58
Speaker 21: And he got trunced by thirty points by Ken Paxton,
47:01
Speaker 21: who was a sitting ag comes with a bit of baggage.
47:03
Speaker 21: He's a bit checkered. He's been mired and some ethics
47:05
Speaker 21: probes and other things. Never convicted, but that's not helpful.
47:08
Speaker 21: And despite that, he formally she completely transcend. So it
47:12
Speaker 21: is interesting because and he was endorsed by Trump at
47:15
Speaker 21: the eleventh hour. Trump was sort of holding him back.
47:17
Speaker 21: It is a microcosm of two opposing dynamics that are
47:20
Speaker 21: happening in the US right now. Trump's poll numbers are
47:22
Speaker 21: really nose diving with his base. They don't like their
47:25
Speaker 21: run war, they don't like the handling of Epstein. Yet
47:27
Speaker 21: every single person that Trump has endorsed that are these
47:30
Speaker 21: sort of maga types like Ken Paxton are winning. He's
47:33
Speaker 21: got a near one hundred percent record at least within
47:36
Speaker 21: the Republican Party. It is still his party is destroying
47:38
Speaker 21: a lot of those establishment ye types which John Cornyan represented,
47:41
Speaker 21: and it's a very fascinating dynamic.
47:43
Speaker 2: Can I give you a bit of insight what I
47:45
Speaker 2: think is happening. There is this disconnect between the polls
47:47
Speaker 2: and the actual turnout race. When people turn out, they
47:51
Speaker 2: are voting for Trump. Right when you're asking a poll,
47:55
Speaker 2: you're getting absolutely everyone. And if people aren't happy with Trump,
47:58
Speaker 2: and they'll say that in a poll, they don't necessarily
48:01
Speaker 2: turn up and vote for the Democrats. They just don't
48:03
Speaker 2: turn up. So this will be the challenge to the
48:06
Speaker 2: Democrats to the other side, because it could be just
48:09
Speaker 2: the withdrawal of effort. But right now we are still
48:11
Speaker 2: seeing the Trump types turn up, and can the Democrats
48:14
Speaker 2: if they've got Kamalama to get people to turn up
48:18
Speaker 2: or any of.
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Speaker 17: Their candidates they seem all terrible. I mean, it's people
48:21
Speaker 17: are voting against the Democrat party if there's an actual
48:25
Speaker 17: poll between Republicans and Democrats, not that they're necessarily pro Trump.
48:29
Speaker 17: And I think you're right to the shallow the opposition
48:33
Speaker 17: to Trump because a you don't know who's going to
48:36
Speaker 17: turn out. It seems that he wins all of the races.
48:40
Speaker 17: Kosh is exactly right. He won practically everything, Kentucky, Kentucky,
48:45
Speaker 17: mass he got thrown out.
48:46
Speaker 2: We'll have to do a part two.
48:48
Speaker 21: Leader, But the person now that Paxton has to feast
48:50
Speaker 21: and the generals against the Democrats is a piece of work.
48:52
Speaker 21: You're going to enjoy it.
48:53
Speaker 2: Switzerland, I want to get to that quickly. We've got
48:54
Speaker 2: about a minute ago.
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Speaker 21: So Switzerland is going to put a referendum on a
48:58
Speaker 21: cap to the quantum of immigration coming in ten million
49:01
Speaker 21: to the country. And it feels like this is a
49:03
Speaker 21: referendum that the world has been waiting for. This is
49:06
Speaker 21: the issue of our time. What's been happening with immigration
49:09
Speaker 21: all across the West is out of step with the people.
49:11
Speaker 21: So it might be an interesting precedent for other countries
49:13
Speaker 21: that do referendums like this one to consider it one.
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Speaker 17: It sounds like a one nation policy of matching immigration
49:19
Speaker 17: to ability to provide housing.
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Speaker 1: So no.
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Speaker 2: I looked at some stats the other day and the
49:25
Speaker 2: number one country the household indebtedness is Switzerland. We are
49:30
Speaker 2: number two. That's telling, isn't it?
49:33
Speaker 17: Common?
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Speaker 2: Fright on the way in Australia, think if you both
49:35
Speaker 2: have a lovely weekend. You two at home, please have
49:38
Speaker 2: a lovely weekend. I'll be back here with you on
49:41
Speaker 2: Monday night. I'm heading up to Bendigo on the weekend.
49:44
Speaker 2: I'll report back about that. Is Andrew