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Jaguars Reporters: Monday, June 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: He loves the mental chess match of football. It's not
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Speaker 1: just throwing the football, it's the protection, it's the run
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Speaker 1: sets that's fun for him. Welcome to Jaguars Reporters presented
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Speaker 1: by t I a A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Osher,
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Speaker 1: Ashlyn Sullivan and j P. Shadrick. Presented by t I
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Speaker 1: A A Bank. Starts right now. Welcome in Jaguar's Reporter Podcast.
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Speaker 1: Ashlan Sullivan, Brian sects him back here with us. Hello,
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Speaker 1: Hello John Osier here, Hello Safety Shadrick on vacation. Goodbye,
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Speaker 1: that's time of here, goodbye as we all will soon be.
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Speaker 1: This is good for us for the whole weeks. This
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Speaker 1: is it. This is your last chance to grab the
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Speaker 1: Jaguar content. This is the last podcast for a month,
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Speaker 1: no more drive time, no more happy hours. And it's
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Speaker 1: a good thing. I think one of the things absence
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Speaker 1: makes the heart grow fonder, do you know. I mean
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Speaker 1: I always used to look forward to the art of football.
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Speaker 1: So you've been gone for two weeks and I can't
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Speaker 1: say that applies for me. No, I didn't think it
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Speaker 1: never has. John, what you were going ten years in Indianapolis?
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Speaker 1: You didn't miss me? Um? Well, I I think sometimes
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Speaker 1: the NFL makes a mistake and they think that it's
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Speaker 1: just content, it's all people want. Let him, you know,
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Speaker 1: let him miss you for a little while, let him
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Speaker 1: get hungry for what you're bringing for a little while.
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Speaker 1: Don't keep beating the same storylines into the ground with people.
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Speaker 1: Let him have a break, yes, and that break is
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Speaker 1: coming shortly. Coaches are out of the building. They have
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Speaker 1: a well deserved vacation for about the next month, as
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Speaker 1: well as players, and they definitely deserve it, John, because
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Speaker 1: this has been an off season program where a lot
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Speaker 1: has been expected of them. There has been a ton
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Speaker 1: of change. I think we all can agree a lot
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Speaker 1: has been accomplished, but there is a lot going on
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Speaker 1: on the field this off season. Yeah, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think that's one reason that urban Meyer last week on Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: uh gave the veterans that third mini camp off. He
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Speaker 1: didn't address this, but I'm assuming that the attendance was
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Speaker 1: so good for veterans and that they got their work done.
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Speaker 1: I would think if they hadn't gotten their work done,
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Speaker 1: he probably would have worked them that day. So it's
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Speaker 1: a signal to the veterans if you do things right,
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Speaker 1: you'll get your reward. It's the way you ought to
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Speaker 1: do it. They were, They worked, and I didn't expect
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Speaker 1: them not to work. I think it's noticed. I think
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Speaker 1: it's notable that they did this under Urban Meyer. It
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Speaker 1: it felt in the last two or three weeks, as
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Speaker 1: it did throughout the whole time, that everybody was on
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Speaker 1: the same page. Everybody gets it when they come back
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Speaker 1: on July. There's a couple of things. It feels like
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Speaker 1: they know what's expected offensively, defensively, off the field culture.
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Speaker 1: To me, that's what the off season is all about,
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Speaker 1: more than you know, showing what a guy can do
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Speaker 1: in the field. If they're ready to get this thing
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Speaker 1: going on July, then mission accomplished in April, May and Gym. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we're excited to see the path on because we didn't.
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Speaker 1: I would say we found out a good amount and
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Speaker 1: we have some players now that we're going to pay
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Speaker 1: attention to. But coach Ramayer was very clear that every
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Speaker 1: practice there were no winners or losers. We tried, We
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Speaker 1: really did try to find those winners and losers. There
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Speaker 1: were a lot of practices where you couldn't find that.
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Speaker 1: And I said this multiple times. I've got to think.
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Speaker 1: And again, I don't think any of us no urban
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Speaker 1: yet as well as as as we'd like to. It's
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Speaker 1: been busy having a chance to sit down with him.
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Speaker 1: I've got to think the winners and losers, those not
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Speaker 1: being there during the offseason. I don't know if irritated
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Speaker 1: is the right word, but it was. It was certainly
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Speaker 1: a a rhythm shock, if you will, meaning for seventeen
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Speaker 1: years as a head coach, his rhythm has been as
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Speaker 1: a college head coach, you go out, your guys are hitting,
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Speaker 1: you build up to a spring game, you have competition,
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Speaker 1: you have guys winning jobs. So that's sort of the
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Speaker 1: you know, the mood of the time. He's ready to
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Speaker 1: go out there and see that. And I think in
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Speaker 1: the NFL, even though he knew that wasn't gonna be
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Speaker 1: the case, I need to go out to a practice
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Speaker 1: and realize, oh, we're not going to really get a
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Speaker 1: depth chart win out of this. We're not going to
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Speaker 1: find out this about a guy. I'm sure he had
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Speaker 1: to adjust to it, and Brian I will say, um
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Speaker 1: during O t as in mini camp that one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest headlines we came off the prox FIELM We
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Speaker 1: started talking about a kicking competition. That's where we were
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Speaker 1: at Aultra Gross Sauce and Josh Lamb, but we were
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Speaker 1: telling field goals because because all of a sudden has
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Speaker 1: become a competition and that was our headlines that already
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Speaker 1: absence makes a heart grow fonder. I mean, when we're
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Speaker 1: talking about kicking competitions in Mini camp, you know your
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Speaker 1: way off of of the area where most people are
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Speaker 1: excited about. UM. I do think though, with with Josh
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Speaker 1: coming off that hip injury, it does create a little
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Speaker 1: bit of storyline not being here for Mini Camp. UM.
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Speaker 1: The one thing that I can say is that there appears,
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Speaker 1: and it's early that the culture change, the the tide shifting.
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Speaker 1: UM he's taking place because of the number of veterans
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Speaker 1: who were here right and he didn't cut deals with
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Speaker 1: the players Association like a couple of franchises the Colts
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Speaker 1: most notably did. He did his thing and he asked
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Speaker 1: the veterans to be here, and by the actions that
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Speaker 1: he took and the words that he spoke, he got
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Speaker 1: things going the way he wanted to. I would say
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Speaker 1: a couple of big things. One big thing is that
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Speaker 1: do you think the competition kicker is real. If you
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Speaker 1: look at Aldric Rossis in uh he has an eighteen
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Speaker 1: the Giants, he was an all pro kicker. I got
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Speaker 1: some questions from those on readers, why in the world
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Speaker 1: would they consider competition for Josh Lambo? Why are they
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Speaker 1: doing this? And answers because Roses is good. So I
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Speaker 1: think there is a thought on their part. Let's not
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Speaker 1: make the mistake of letting of just assuming the Lambo
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Speaker 1: is better. Let's make him and it and Roses has
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Speaker 1: a stronger leg in terms of, you know, just pure power.
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Speaker 1: And also in prepping for this show, I thought we
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Speaker 1: were gonna ask big things, so I came up with
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Speaker 1: one um the real out of all the things that
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Speaker 1: you can find out during a mini camp. The receiving group,
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Speaker 1: it feels to me like timing and their effort in
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Speaker 1: the off season has created what I do think can
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Speaker 1: be a special group. And the timing, I mean the
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Speaker 1: DJ Chark now in his fourth year, he's ready, This
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Speaker 1: is ready to be his time. Let's get n Alt
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Speaker 1: who this regime didn't draft either of these guys. I'm
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Speaker 1: saying there's some timing involved with those two guys. I
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Speaker 1: think Sat looks good. I think the key to the
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Speaker 1: group is going to be how Marvin Jones and his
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Speaker 1: eleventh year is He's still the guy we saw the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. They all look good on the
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Speaker 1: field and in mini camp that matters. So UM, keeping
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Speaker 1: out on the receivers coming to training camp. Well, and
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Speaker 1: we said this several times last year, mostly as it
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Speaker 1: relates to the offensive line, but consistent quarterback play gives
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Speaker 1: all of those guys a chance. And we're assuming that
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Speaker 1: we're going to see consistent play from a rookie quarterback. Um,
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Speaker 1: but consistent quarterback play will give each of those guys
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to make more big plays down the field
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Speaker 1: because they'll be where they're supposed to be and then
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Speaker 1: the ball will be there. I mean, it just wasn't
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Speaker 1: last year whether it was Gardner, Minshew or Jake Luton,
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Speaker 1: it didn't matter. Mike Lennon. The quarterback play was so
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Speaker 1: wildly inconsistent that nobody on the offensive offensive line wide
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Speaker 1: receivers could count on things being the same play to play. UM,
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Speaker 1: So I agree with you, John, I think you're gonna
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Speaker 1: see more of Chark and Channault and these guys this
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Speaker 1: year than you could in the past. Not that you did,
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Speaker 1: but then you could. We will note that there is
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Speaker 1: another wide receiver on this team. The Jaguars signed Lakwan
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Speaker 1: tread Will over the weekend, so adding more depth to
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Speaker 1: that wide receiver group that we all expect a lot him.
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Speaker 1: And we talk about big guy who can run. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: fast guy, and we know Urban loves fast guys. The
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Speaker 1: consistency at quarterback, it was very optimistic to see that
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence ended the off season program with what I
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Speaker 1: thought was his best day from what we saw, especially
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Speaker 1: in the red zone period. We we overhyped that the
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Speaker 1: day that he struggled and the timing was off, John,
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Speaker 1: he made progress in two weeks, notable progress in the
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Speaker 1: red zone. Yeah, and it's an unpadded practice, so let's
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Speaker 1: not put him in the hall. But I was with you, honestly,
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Speaker 1: he looked like you expected him to look and made
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Speaker 1: some throws that with a quarterback, if it's going to
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Speaker 1: be special, there has to be some throws where you
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Speaker 1: look at each other in the sidelines and went, why
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Speaker 1: did you see that? You know, how did he do that? Throws? Uh?
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Speaker 1: In terms of accuracy, in terms of timing, he had
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Speaker 1: two or three within one red zone drill. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what that means for the big picture, but I
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Speaker 1: know it's better to see it than not to see it.
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Speaker 1: And there was an energy that a quarterback brand. I
9:07
Speaker 1: think Bucky Brooks mentioned this one of our shows last week.
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Speaker 1: There's an energy when that happens at the quarterback position
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Speaker 1: that feeds off into everything else. And all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you see other players walking off the field after practice
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Speaker 1: and sort of mumbling to each other, do you see
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Speaker 1: the quarterback today? Well, that gets everybody on board because everybody,
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Speaker 1: you know, whether they say it public or not, they
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Speaker 1: get what that means. Um, it couldn't have been a
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Speaker 1: better way to finish the offseason than to have his
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Speaker 1: positive man and going forward because that lives now for
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Speaker 1: five weeks. When they come back, they believe in the kids. Well.
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Speaker 1: And I you can't convince me that he didn't intend
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Speaker 1: for the final practice to be his best. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he was always going to get better and make progress.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know him yet, okay, but from what
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Speaker 1: I have heard of him about him, from him, I
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Speaker 1: would anticipate that he wanted to leave the practice field
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Speaker 1: with that sort of feeling showing his teammates, he's ready
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Speaker 1: to go. Um, you know, I know they're they're not
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Speaker 1: anointing him the starter yet, even though everyone else sees
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Speaker 1: that it's what coaches do, right, they say, earn it.
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Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not just going to hand you number one.
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Speaker 1: Earn it from that practice. Yeah, he's number one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I don't understand that's why. And I get why
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Speaker 1: it's on Sports Center, it's national news. But when Brian Schotneimer,
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Speaker 1: passing game corner, went and said, yeah, we don't have
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Speaker 1: to start yet, what do you expect him to say?
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Speaker 1: And he's not the head coach? Yeah, Trevor's our starter. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and take the headline from coach.
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Speaker 1: Meyer would have said the same thing that day. He
10:37
Speaker 1: wasn't really asked. He wouldn't really ask the question. On Monday,
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Speaker 1: no one asked. Everyone knows, right, But had he been
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Speaker 1: asked about the quarterback? Who still you know here to
10:48
Speaker 1: say the exact same thing. I expect some time in
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Speaker 1: training camp that they'll say that Trevor Lawrence is the
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Speaker 1: starter and then that'll be it. You know, But I
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Speaker 1: don't think, you know, I don't think it's a bad
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Speaker 1: idea to make all these rookies earn it. That's certainly
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Speaker 1: the culture that Urban came from in college, where you know,
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Speaker 1: the spring, you earn things, and you know there were
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Speaker 1: ceremonies involved when you are in those things. He wants
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Speaker 1: that to matter, and even wants that to matter to
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Well, if you are creating a culture of competition,
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Speaker 1: you can't say it's everyone but him, right, you have
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Speaker 1: to say everyone's engaged. I mean, if he was Peyton
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Speaker 1: Manning in the thirteen year veteran in ten Pro Bowls, maybe,
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Speaker 1: but he's not, So why not just make it go
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Speaker 1: that way? And Plus, if you know anything about the kid,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the way he is. He he loves to compete.
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Speaker 1: He wants to compete, so it doesn't bother anybody. And
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Speaker 1: you know, years of doing this, I've never met a
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Speaker 1: coach that says, oh, yeah, he's he's the guy, you know,
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Speaker 1: to him, make him earn it. That's fine, he'll earn
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Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. He is clearly the best quarterback in
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Speaker 1: this universe. Well this universe, say the universe. I said
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Speaker 1: this uni verse. I like it. All right, let's go
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Speaker 1: to did you hear that speaking of Brian Schottmanner and
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, they're talking about putting in the extra work.
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Speaker 1: When Trevor leaves this facility, his ability to come in
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Speaker 1: and learn this system um has been very impressive. Uh
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Speaker 1: it's been a lot of long hours. You know. He
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Speaker 1: works his butt off when he leaves the building, he studies.
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Speaker 1: He texts me all the time with questions, which I love.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it'll be ten o'clock at night and he'll
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Speaker 1: be like a shoddy on the back side of this.
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Speaker 1: Are we we alerting that? Or how we handling this
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Speaker 1: in this protection? Look? Uh So he's just he's he
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Speaker 1: loves the mental chess match of football. When you talk
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Speaker 1: to him, he loves that part of it, um. And
12:42
Speaker 1: it's not just throwing the football, it's the protection, it's
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Speaker 1: the run checks. Like he he truly is a guy
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Speaker 1: that did that. That's fun for him. So when you
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Speaker 1: get a guy like that that leaves the building and
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Speaker 1: he's spending hours on his own as a coach, it
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Speaker 1: gets you excited because you know you better be prepared
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Speaker 1: for your next morning's meeting because he's going to be
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Speaker 1: ready to go. I couldn't help but laugh at that
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Speaker 1: John when he was talking about Trevor texting at with questions. One.
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Speaker 1: You love to hear that, that's that's awesome to hear
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Speaker 1: from your rookie quarterback, but talking about how he is
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Speaker 1: amplifying even the coaching staff to be even more prepared
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Speaker 1: for a morning meeting. Yeah, and that's what you went
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Speaker 1: out of the quarterback, especially at this age. I kind
13:22
Speaker 1: of picture Bryan Shotenheimer tried to watch Stranger Things at night.
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Speaker 1: He's kind of saying, Okay, look, we get it. But
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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer was impressive. I had him in here last Wednesday
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Speaker 1: for an ozone podcast that are Run down the Road, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, and his story of why he took this
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Speaker 1: job was interesting. It wasn't necessarily just Trevor Lawrence. He
13:47
Speaker 1: likes to fit um, but certainly there is a once
13:52
Speaker 1: in a lifetime element as a as a passing game coordinator,
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Speaker 1: obviously a coordinator to get to work with Trevor Lawrence.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised at all. It's exactly what you want
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Speaker 1: to hear, that the kid is so involved with the
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Speaker 1: playbook that he can't get enough of it at this point. I, um,
14:09
Speaker 1: just because of my tie to Kansas City. I followed
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Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer since he was a quarterback at Blue Valley
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Speaker 1: High and then he went to Kansas before transferring to Florida.
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Speaker 1: So I'm impressed with him just what he's done, the
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Speaker 1: places he's been. It's hard not to when Russell Wilson
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Speaker 1: sings his praises, you know, for the and Russell Wilson
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Speaker 1: was established before Schottenheimer got there. Um. I loved it
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Speaker 1: when he talked and of course, you know my affinity
14:31
Speaker 1: for for Philip Rivers. I loved it when he talked about,
14:35
Speaker 1: you know, seeing qualities in Trevor Lawrence that reminded him
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Speaker 1: of Philip Rivers. Fantastic, that's great. I hope he's better
14:43
Speaker 1: than Philip Rivers because he wins some championships, but Philip
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Speaker 1: Rivers is a nice place to start. Yes, it is
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Speaker 1: high praise. All right, good time for everyone asked. I'm
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Speaker 1: going first with a question. What is a very early
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Speaker 1: on camp battle you will be paying attention to We're back? Uh,
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Speaker 1: I M I think I want to see, although I
15:09
Speaker 1: think I know how it's gonna play out during camp,
15:11
Speaker 1: but I want to watch offensive tackle to see how
15:14
Speaker 1: much Walker little pushes right to these two guys. I
15:17
Speaker 1: don't think he'll win a job during camp, but my
15:21
Speaker 1: expectation is that at some point during the season he
15:27
Speaker 1: will either push enough that there will be an injury
15:31
Speaker 1: somewhere along the offensive line where somebody moves to guard,
15:36
Speaker 1: and somehow Walker Little gets into the lineup, and he'll
15:39
Speaker 1: have shown in camp that he's ready for it. Maybe
15:41
Speaker 1: happened sooner than that, but my anticipation is that he
15:45
Speaker 1: will be ensconced in the starting lineup before the end
15:51
Speaker 1: of the season. I'm going right there too, I'm gonna
15:53
Speaker 1: go in the offensive line. Could you see Walker Little
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Speaker 1: is the starting left tackle at some point this season
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Speaker 1: and Cam Robinson moving to the right side. I think
16:00
Speaker 1: he's too tall, just my opinion, and I know that. Um,
16:04
Speaker 1: you've seen taller guards in Jacksonville. You know, let alone,
16:08
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden started his career as a guard before moving
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Speaker 1: outside to tackle. UM. I could see him and tackle
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Speaker 1: and Jowan Taylor inside right guard. Um, I the offensive
16:19
Speaker 1: line is going to be an interesting It's gonna be
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Speaker 1: really interesting. Doug Marone, as an offensive line coach, had
16:26
Speaker 1: a lot to say about what the offensive line looked
16:28
Speaker 1: like now you've got more players, and Ben Bartch I
16:31
Speaker 1: think might even factor into the competition this year too.
16:34
Speaker 1: You've got a lot more players and a lot more
16:36
Speaker 1: guys to create what you want. And I wouldn't put
16:41
Speaker 1: it past them to let George Warhop do what he
16:44
Speaker 1: wants as opposed to George Warhop doing what Doug Marone wanted.
16:48
Speaker 1: Totally agree. And you mentioned the quarterback. We talked at
16:51
Speaker 1: great length about this last week, even on the Frenzie Show.
16:54
Speaker 1: I will say I will be watching backup quarterback and
16:57
Speaker 1: Brian if you would have told me for of months
17:00
Speaker 1: ago and he would have asked me, you know, Gardner Minshew,
17:02
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the backup quarterback, it is in no way,
17:04
Speaker 1: no wow, no how he's traded by then this this
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Speaker 1: can't work. But watching him play in off season programs,
17:09
Speaker 1: I think he blew away C J. Bethard And if
17:13
Speaker 1: this can work, if you're judging it just based off
17:16
Speaker 1: football performance, he should be backup quarterback. Well, look, if
17:19
Speaker 1: you can bring Tim Tebow onto the roster um, you
17:22
Speaker 1: can keep Gardner Minshew, right, I mean, and I say
17:25
Speaker 1: that because if you don't have a strong quarterback in
17:27
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. You can't bring Tim Tebow in here because
17:29
Speaker 1: then everybody thinks he's going to be a quarterback in
17:31
Speaker 1: not a tight end. Um, there's no doubt that Trevor
17:35
Speaker 1: Lawrence is the quarterback and that Gardner Minshew is trying
17:38
Speaker 1: to figure out what his NFL career is gonna look like.
17:41
Speaker 1: If he outplays c. J. Bethard, then by all means
17:43
Speaker 1: and credit to him. Um, you know, he went into
17:46
Speaker 1: this off season. He could assault, He could have forced
17:48
Speaker 1: them to cut him just by his attitude alone. But
17:51
Speaker 1: apparently he put his nose to the grindstone realizing you
17:54
Speaker 1: know what's in front of him, saw the forest, through
17:56
Speaker 1: the trees if you will, and decided, Okay, you know
17:59
Speaker 1: I can have a long career as a number two.
18:01
Speaker 1: I might not be a number one. Number two makes
18:03
Speaker 1: good money, so let me see if I can go
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Speaker 1: and make something of it. So, yeah, he could be
18:07
Speaker 1: on the roster. The one thing everyone was looking at
18:09
Speaker 1: the money they paid C. J. Beth third. They gave
18:11
Speaker 1: him more guaranteed money. You don't generally give that to
18:14
Speaker 1: a quarterback you're gonna cut. But if Minshew wins it,
18:18
Speaker 1: there's enough cap room here they can afford to say, well,
18:20
Speaker 1: that was a mistake. Yeah, I think, Um, I agree
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Speaker 1: with you. And the guaranteed money, it feels like it
18:27
Speaker 1: maybe wasn't enough guaranteed money that if it's clear and
18:32
Speaker 1: obvious that Minshew should be the backup. Uh, you know,
18:36
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be so much guaranteed money
18:40
Speaker 1: that they would have to make the decision based on
18:42
Speaker 1: that if it's a sense so uh, it would be
18:45
Speaker 1: as it would be, not a It wouldn't fit what
18:50
Speaker 1: they're preaching. If every player in the locker rooms looking
18:54
Speaker 1: at it, gone, look, Minshi is better than that third.
18:56
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that will happen in training
18:57
Speaker 1: camp or not, but I don't think they would abandoned
19:01
Speaker 1: that so early with such an obvious position. Um, It's
19:07
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how that plays out
19:11
Speaker 1: in training camp because I do think it will be
19:13
Speaker 1: an on field battle that's uh, very important. You know,
19:18
Speaker 1: It's my question. The line of demarcation was the Cincinnati
19:23
Speaker 1: game last year because in the post game, Jay Gruden
19:25
Speaker 1: came out and said it he can't see down the
19:27
Speaker 1: field right, and that was the problem. He couldn't see
19:29
Speaker 1: down the field, so he was holding the ball too
19:31
Speaker 1: long and taking too many sacks, making too many mistakes
19:34
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hand. So either they have
19:37
Speaker 1: crafted part of the playbook to fit his skills, or
19:41
Speaker 1: he has worked somehow at finding the passing lanes and
19:45
Speaker 1: stepping into them and seeing better down the field. If
19:48
Speaker 1: he has, there isn't any reason why he couldn't be
19:50
Speaker 1: your backup. You shall see, all right, John, what is
19:53
Speaker 1: your question? My question is, um, what will uh sick
20:00
Speaker 1: says look like for this team next year? And we've
20:05
Speaker 1: been through training camp, I mean, I've been through the
20:07
Speaker 1: off season, so at that point we're looking at big picture. Uh,
20:11
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume they don't have to be holding
20:12
Speaker 1: the trophy at the end of the season for us
20:14
Speaker 1: like where they are. So what does this team need
20:18
Speaker 1: to do for you to feel good about this team
20:20
Speaker 1: whenever the seasons? You know, I hate to admit this,
20:22
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were scoring last year, I forget,
20:24
Speaker 1: I mean, but it was it was very, very low.
20:26
Speaker 1: I'd like to see them look like a team that
20:28
Speaker 1: can score twenty eight points a game as opposed to
20:33
Speaker 1: it seems like forever around here, even in seventeen, they
20:36
Speaker 1: were not a high scoring team unless the defense was
20:38
Speaker 1: adding points to it. Um So to me, it'll be
20:41
Speaker 1: averaging twenty eight points a game, meaning it's a high
20:44
Speaker 1: octane offense, right Uh, And then the others stopped the run.
20:47
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can stop the run and you
20:50
Speaker 1: can score points, you can win games. I'm gonna go
20:53
Speaker 1: wins and losses. I think this team gets to seven wins.
20:56
Speaker 1: It's a good year coming off of a year where
20:59
Speaker 1: they won one game. If you would have told us
21:01
Speaker 1: that last year, what is that signed me up for that?
21:03
Speaker 1: And I know the expectations are much higher than that,
21:05
Speaker 1: as they should be, but if you're progressing in the
21:07
Speaker 1: right direction. And I think there are still some holes
21:10
Speaker 1: on this roster. I know we have questions about can
21:12
Speaker 1: they stop the run with what they brought in. You
21:15
Speaker 1: like what they brought in, but can they do it?
21:17
Speaker 1: I still think there are some holes, and I think
21:20
Speaker 1: seven wins is a bit realistic and would be a
21:22
Speaker 1: good year. I think I agree with you. I think
21:25
Speaker 1: they have made strides towards where they want to be
21:29
Speaker 1: a I'll talk about Urban Myers approach in the defensive
21:34
Speaker 1: line of wanting to be in the top eight in
21:35
Speaker 1: the league or the top quarter. They're closer to that.
21:39
Speaker 1: It's tough in the NFL to fill every hole to
21:43
Speaker 1: that degree in one off season because so much of
21:46
Speaker 1: what you have to do is drafting well, and with
21:50
Speaker 1: drafting comes development, and it's hard to develop in one year.
21:53
Speaker 1: So I think they're closer to that. I would see
21:55
Speaker 1: success as seven and ten, but that number I don't
22:01
Speaker 1: care as much about. I want to be sitting here
22:04
Speaker 1: on January knowing that sixteen is the guy. If you
22:09
Speaker 1: know he's the guy, then it's successful. The Colts in
22:13
Speaker 1: three and thirt but in December they knew that he
22:18
Speaker 1: was elite. They knew he was going to be a guy.
22:20
Speaker 1: So that next off see, they knew what they were going,
22:23
Speaker 1: they knew what they were building around the right. So
22:27
Speaker 1: that success to me, do you know Trevor's the guy.
22:30
Speaker 1: We we had a conversation in one of these podcasts
22:32
Speaker 1: about you know, how they would start, and I think
22:34
Speaker 1: I was optimistic and said, I could see, you know,
22:36
Speaker 1: them winning three games in their first five, but then
22:39
Speaker 1: they have that six game stretch where they're in Seattle
22:41
Speaker 1: and they faced the Rams. I mean, it's a brutal
22:43
Speaker 1: six game stretch. Okay, So Let's say you come out
22:46
Speaker 1: of there and you're a couple of games below five hundred.
22:48
Speaker 1: What you'd like to see is them pick up some
22:51
Speaker 1: steam and win a couple of games down the run down,
22:53
Speaker 1: the final stretch. Run that makes you go, Okay, here
22:57
Speaker 1: we go in two, add a few things in the
22:59
Speaker 1: off sea doesn't have another good draft, and here we go.
23:02
Speaker 1: There's nothing more exciting than a team with a young
23:05
Speaker 1: star quarterback ascending as the season ends because the future
23:08
Speaker 1: looks so bright. All right, Brian, what do you got
23:11
Speaker 1: for us? This moment seems to be the moment right
23:15
Speaker 1: for the franchise. I can't remember a time in your
23:19
Speaker 1: time here where there was more anticipation, right, and that
23:24
Speaker 1: if the quarterback, and it's the coach, and it's it's
23:26
Speaker 1: all the things that are going on. Um. But take
23:30
Speaker 1: that aside. What position group have you seen out there
23:34
Speaker 1: on the field in mini camp and in in um
23:37
Speaker 1: in the O t A s that made you go, wow,
23:40
Speaker 1: they are markedly better there, markedly better. And I'll say
23:44
Speaker 1: the defensive line just the numbers alone and in the
23:47
Speaker 1: size of these guys, they're bigger for the first time
23:51
Speaker 1: since Calais and Malik and Marcel were there. It looks
23:55
Speaker 1: like they've got that caliber of athlete. I don't know
23:57
Speaker 1: if it's a caliber player, John, but it looks like
23:59
Speaker 1: the defensive line has that caliber of athlete. I'm gonna
24:03
Speaker 1: go with uh, and I agree with you, Um, I
24:07
Speaker 1: still wonder they're markedly better. It feels like they have
24:15
Speaker 1: taken a significant step from being I would say deficient
24:20
Speaker 1: at the defensive tackle position to being where they're going
24:23
Speaker 1: to be able to go into games expecting to be
24:26
Speaker 1: able to compete. I think there's still going to be
24:30
Speaker 1: a step later on where they need to get elite. Uh.
24:34
Speaker 1: But perhaps something on the roster can be a von
24:37
Speaker 1: Hamilton's a guy that right, So we haven't seen it
24:41
Speaker 1: yet and always seen her unpadded practice, so it's hard
24:43
Speaker 1: to know. Um. For mine, I will say, ah, well,
24:49
Speaker 1: first I'll take quarterback, which you can't say quarterback because
24:53
Speaker 1: that's so obvious. Um, I'll say it in in a slightly
24:56
Speaker 1: different way. I'll say receiver. Although it's not necessarily a
25:01
Speaker 1: personnel that has made them better. But Chanalt and Shark,
25:06
Speaker 1: on a couple of different instances, both had huge days
25:09
Speaker 1: in minicamp, and Chanlt to me looked more like a
25:12
Speaker 1: polished receiver than he had at any point last year. Um,
25:17
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's fairer or not, but there
25:19
Speaker 1: were just some times where he was getting open easily,
25:23
Speaker 1: where it looked like he was starting to get it
25:25
Speaker 1: as a receiver. And if if Shark is back to
25:30
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen with an improvement, which he sort of looks,
25:35
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that group looks a lot better.
25:36
Speaker 1: So I'll say that with the caveat of it's it's
25:40
Speaker 1: really depending on those two guys taking steps. But it
25:45
Speaker 1: feels like they're doing that. It doesn't channel especially I
25:48
Speaker 1: think looks the part put on ten pounds of muscle
25:50
Speaker 1: is separating so much easier. And we always talk about
25:53
Speaker 1: him as as the playmaker, the offensive weapon. He has
25:56
Speaker 1: shown that he has the ability to be the receiver guy,
26:00
Speaker 1: an offensive weapon, a receiver if he doesn't get hurt.
26:03
Speaker 1: In nineteen, he was a top ten pick, right, I mean,
26:06
Speaker 1: he was considered one of the top ten players going
26:10
Speaker 1: into his junior season and then he had got injured
26:13
Speaker 1: and had some problem to Colorado. Um, he you know,
26:16
Speaker 1: he might have been a top five pick. He's got
26:18
Speaker 1: that kind of potential. He does. I'm gonna go cornerbacks
26:21
Speaker 1: mainly because of Shaquille Griffin and how much he has
26:24
Speaker 1: amplified that unit and the leadership he brings, the intensity
26:28
Speaker 1: he brings. This is just a unit that was making
26:31
Speaker 1: so many plays, especially during Mini camp, really tight coverage,
26:35
Speaker 1: pass breakups everywhere, and guys like, yes, you talked about
26:38
Speaker 1: Shaquille Griffin, but you also talk about Trey Herndon and
26:41
Speaker 1: Sydney Jones, who I think needed that guy in the
26:45
Speaker 1: locker room and in their meeting room. Like Shaquille Griffin
26:47
Speaker 1: kind of amplify everyone because now everyone is making more plays.
26:50
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can put that weight
26:52
Speaker 1: on Sydney Jones shoulders, but now that he doesn't have
26:55
Speaker 1: to worry about that, they're all playing better. Well it's
26:58
Speaker 1: supposed to be. You know. I don't say this to
27:01
Speaker 1: add undue pressure to the position, but if you look
27:04
Speaker 1: at you know, talent acquisition, the NFL is about equity spent. Well,
27:10
Speaker 1: they spent top ten pick in c J. Henderson, biggest
27:13
Speaker 1: free agent money. If he wasn't the biggest free agent contract,
27:17
Speaker 1: he was in the top two on Shaquille Griffin. Uh
27:21
Speaker 1: for this team I'm not saying he was, but and
27:24
Speaker 1: then you drafted essentially a first round pick with Tyson Campbell,
27:29
Speaker 1: and you've got Sydney Jones, who at one point I
27:31
Speaker 1: think he was the second round pick, was not coming
27:32
Speaker 1: out and he played pretty well before we got hurt
27:34
Speaker 1: last year. But for this team, they now have within
27:37
Speaker 1: the last what sixteen months, dating back to the draft,
27:43
Speaker 1: have spent a top ten equity, almost first round equity,
27:47
Speaker 1: and big free agent equity on their top three corners.
27:50
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be one of the top two or
27:52
Speaker 1: three positions on the team now based on that, and
27:55
Speaker 1: it's a position. If you do that on the offensive line,
27:59
Speaker 1: maybe you expect it to be good the following year
28:02
Speaker 1: out because then that takes continuity. Defensive ackfield spankin acually
28:06
Speaker 1: expect to be good right now. I expect him to
28:08
Speaker 1: give enough coverage um that caleban Chason and Josh Allen
28:15
Speaker 1: have enough time to impact the quarterback. And you know,
28:19
Speaker 1: I can't add a lot. I mean, you guys have
28:21
Speaker 1: covered the numbers, but if you go back and look
28:23
Speaker 1: at the Jalen Ramsey trade, their five, you know, premium positions, quarterback,
28:27
Speaker 1: left tackle, wide receivers, become one pass rusher and corner. Well,
28:31
Speaker 1: they came away with a corner right, a pass rusher,
28:36
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and then Travis Atns are running back. But
28:40
Speaker 1: maybe he's a receiver too, So I mean they came
28:42
Speaker 1: away with premium positions the last two years from the
28:44
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey trade and in particular the twenty draft with
28:48
Speaker 1: c J Henderson and Caleb and Chason. If if Henderson's healthy,
28:52
Speaker 1: and it sounds like he's going to be, you have
28:55
Speaker 1: the potential for those two players to really take their
28:57
Speaker 1: game to another level this year. And with edition of
29:00
Speaker 1: all the other names that John went through, you know,
29:02
Speaker 1: I expect Josh Allen to be back. So that group
29:05
Speaker 1: in the in the secondary, forget forget interceptions and pass
29:09
Speaker 1: breakups and things like that. If their coverage is tight
29:12
Speaker 1: enough that Calevan and Josh have an extra second to
29:17
Speaker 1: make a move and bat a ball or get around
29:19
Speaker 1: to tackle, you'll see a dramatic increase. You know, you
29:23
Speaker 1: just have to turn the wrench two millimeters to make
29:25
Speaker 1: something tighter, right, That's it, just massive change from a
29:30
Speaker 1: minor turn of the screw. And if you get those
29:32
Speaker 1: guys playing well, you could see massive change I think
29:35
Speaker 1: the thing that's hard to emphasize in mini camp because
29:40
Speaker 1: there's no pads. It's sort of hard to talk overall
29:43
Speaker 1: defense because he got like Miles Jack and in a
29:46
Speaker 1: mini camp doesn't really get noticed that much because he's
29:49
Speaker 1: a middle linebacker. He's not hitting anybody. When Urban came
29:53
Speaker 1: in and has talked all off season about the players
29:57
Speaker 1: still here, the reality is for this defense and the
30:04
Speaker 1: three keys to me are Josh Allen, Miles Jack, and
30:07
Speaker 1: not c J. Henderson. These are top five, top ten
30:13
Speaker 1: level players c J. Henderson. If you go in the
30:15
Speaker 1: top ten as a cornerback, you're supposed to be locked down.
30:18
Speaker 1: It's only four spots below Jaalen, So I mean this
30:21
Speaker 1: is premium position for that position. Josh Allen when he
30:25
Speaker 1: was drafted may have been the best player in the draft.
30:28
Speaker 1: Some thought he slipped. He's elite. Miles Jack is elite.
30:34
Speaker 1: One player on each level of the defense. That's why
30:36
Speaker 1: when they look at this roster they think, hey, you know,
30:39
Speaker 1: this is not that far away. We had some pieces
30:41
Speaker 1: around it. They can be good defensively if they maximize
30:44
Speaker 1: those guys well. And and then just just to tag
30:46
Speaker 1: onto that there are a couple of guys I mentioned
30:48
Speaker 1: Von Hamilton's right, who played well last year before he
30:51
Speaker 1: got hurt. He was really on the rise. Leon Jacobs
30:54
Speaker 1: is moving inside in this three four scheme. You know
30:56
Speaker 1: he's going to play a different position than he played before.
30:59
Speaker 1: You know, I him a couple of weeks ago, and
31:01
Speaker 1: he looks fantastic and really likes what they're asking him
31:04
Speaker 1: to do. You've got some players around here that people
31:06
Speaker 1: aren't thinking about. They're not high on the radar um.
31:10
Speaker 1: But guys who are in the right scheme with Joe
31:13
Speaker 1: Colin and what Coach Meyer is asking them, could come
31:16
Speaker 1: back playing next to Miles Jack, playing next to Josh
31:19
Speaker 1: Allen and and really impacted. The defense isn't as far
31:23
Speaker 1: off if those guys are really playing well, not agreeing more,
31:26
Speaker 1: lots of potential going on here. All right, get out
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