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Doreen Virtue: Goddesses, Deception, And Praising God In The Storm · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hi friends, you're in for a treat today because we've got author, podcaster, and former
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  New Ageer, Doreen Virtue, back on the podcast, and she's got not one, not two, but three
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  new books we're going to talk about next.
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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits, and now, here's your host, David
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  Fierazo.
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  Hey friends, welcome.
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  Thank you so much for listening, watching, and sharing the podcast, and of course always,
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  we are so blessed by your prayers.
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  Let's bring in our good friend Doreen Virtue, I love all the work that she's been doing,
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  and just waking people up, giving people ways to discern, Doreen, welcome, good to see
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  again, sister.
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  Thank you brother, David.
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  It's so great to be with you, and hello everybody.
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  Yeah, so you were recently at a women's event at the Ark Encounter.
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  It sounded like an amazing event, can you tell us about it because we weren't allowed
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  to go as guys, though.
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  No, it was women only, it was heavenly, and I got to meet some of my online friends like
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  Michelle Leslie, our mutual friend Amy Spreeman, and just, it was a celebration of discernment
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  that these were 3,000 women in two back-to-back conferences that really care about biblical
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  truth.
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  It was so refreshing.
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  So we were talking openly about the Chosen, and Taylor Swift, and Jesus Calling, and things
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  that normally offend people for professing Christians, and these women were saying more,
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  we want names, we want to know details, why does this contradict scripture?
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  It was heavenly, David.
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  It must have been so encouraging, the fellowship, and just being able to strengthen one another,
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  and you want one of your devotions, which we'll get to, not yet, but one of your devotions
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  that you wrote, your devotional books, discernment to avoid deception for Christian women.
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  That's the Ilana Amazon, DoreenVirtue.com, but is Amazon the easiest place to get that?
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  Yeah.
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  David, what I did is I took a lot of my seminary papers that I wrote in seminary, and also blogs
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  I've been writing, and I've put them into book form on Kindle, and also paper back on Amazon.
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  And one of the reasons is because these last eight years since I've been saved, I've
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  been working so hard to get my old work off of Amazon, and I can see that people will
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  continue to sell used copies that I have no control over.
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  There's bootleg printers.
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  My ex publisher has no control over this.
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  So I thought, well, I'm just going to outnumber the old books with biblically solid books
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  for Christian women who are hurting because of my background in psychology.
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  You know, I have a BA and an MA in psychology.
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  I was a psychotherapist before I was saved.
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  And then my master's degree from Western seminary in Biblical and Theological Studies.
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  So I'm doing biblical counseling through these books based on the discipleship that I've
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  been doing the last eight years with women coming out of new age deception.
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  And it is, this is the most joyful work.
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  I don't even call it work.
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  I've ever done.
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  I'm working from 10 a.m. till midnight every day writing because I feel like there's
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  so much to say.
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  I just turned 67 two days ago.
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  And so I feel like my clock is ticking.
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  I just want to get a lot of books out there on these topics that I once believed in, and
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  I even once used to teach about to warn the bodies, particularly Christian women, that
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  these are encroaching in our church.
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  And it's, it's just really upsetting to see how much the church is using the new age
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  lingo that I once used.
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  So you've got a YouTube channel at Doreen Virtue and many, many great videos, great topics
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  to help people a lot of on discernment and a lot on new age.
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  And I want to ask you about one in particular, you did about two months ago, three Christian
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  books to avoid that are actually new age and you've got Christian and Eric quotes.
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  We know there's a lot of those in Christian bookstores, unfortunately.
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  But what are these three books or is that giving it away?
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  You just want to direct people to video.
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  You want to tell us what they are.
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  Yeah, the videos, the videos pretty short.
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  You know, I could give the titles, but they really should know why, but I'll tell you
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  one of them is the shack.
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  So many Christians say that, oh, that book comforted me.
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  I remember my mom was reading it.
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  Of course, she was a Christian scientist.
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  And and it's so it's just the video, it's only 26 minutes.
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  It goes into why the shack is unbiblical.
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  And then there's a book by Richard Roer actually all his books should be on there who a lot
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  of people are following into apostasy because Richard Roer is a universalist, a panemtheist.
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  He pushes the enneagram, which no Christian should be using.
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  So I'm just concerned that because a book is is sold in the Christian section of Barnes
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  and Noble or some Christian friend gave them that book that they should they should be
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  comparing everything to scripture for everything.
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  Amen, sister.
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  Back to your devotional now, how to avoid new age and new thought deception.
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  This is a relatively, well, not recent, but it's more people have been actually explaining
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  what that is.
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  It's a biblical, your devotional is a biblical and practical guide for Christian women and
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  biblical discernment to avoid deception.
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  So we have had you before, we talked a lot about new age and we understand most of our
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  viewers and listeners understand and are discerning about that.
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  But what about new thought, Doreen, can you bring us up to speed on that a little bit?
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  Yeah, I was born and raised in new thought, David.
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  My parents actually were not able to conceive a child for the first seven years of their
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  marriage.
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  And this was back in the fifties when you had a baby, you know, and so my mom, she was
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  a third generation Christian scientist, but she was also going to unity and religious
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  science.
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  There's three new thought churches.
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  So she put a prayer request at the local new thought church and I was conceived within
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  a month.
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  So I was considered to be a new thought miracle, all air quotes, it's, it's something
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  that, like I said, is born and raised in I was in the new thought for 33 years, a member
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  of the first church of Christian Christ scientist in Escondito, California, and then a member
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  of the unity church of testing California and a member of the religious science church
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  in Huntington Beach, California, along with the people who wrote chicken soup for the
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  soul.
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  We're also members at my church.
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  And new thought I was raised in was all about your thoughts create your reality.
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  And then when I was picked up by the whole life expo to be a teacher on their circuit
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  in the 1990s, that's when I segwayed into new age that I was in for 26 years before
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  God graciously saved me and opened my eyes.
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  And I went to seminary and got a master's degree.
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  So most of my life, I was new thought and when I look at my old work, David, a lot of
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  it was new.
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  I was teaching Christian science to people and I was using, but yeah, I was using biblical
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  language.
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  I was one of the only new age teachers who would talk about the Holy Spirit and Jesus,
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  but of course it was not in the biblical way.
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  It was in the new thought way.
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  New thought I was raised in was a false Christ.
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  I was taught growing up that Jesus was a created being who was simply a role model for us.
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  It hurts my heart to even say that.
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  But that's, and then God was this source, this mind, very much like a hermeticism and
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  Egyptian spirituality.
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  So I didn't know who God was.
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  I didn't know who Jesus was or the Holy Spirit.
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  I was a student for over 20 years of a course in miracles.
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  So I was following that version of the Holy Spirit.
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  And so I was deceived and unfortunately I was passing the deception along.
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  I was the epitome of 2 Corinthians 11, 15.
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  I was a servant of the devil who appeared to be a servant of righteousness.
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  But as soon of course as I read the Bible, I read Deuteronomy 18, 10 through 12 and the
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  Lord convicted me of my new-aged sins and my new thought sins.
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  That's when I repented and gave my life to Jesus in 2017.
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  Every day I thank him so much because he, I didn't deserve it.
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  I was hell-bound and he and his mercy and grace chose to save me out of that dark and
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  so dark.
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  Once you're saved at a new age, it's like you're crawling out of the sewer and you didn't
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  even know you were swimming in the sewer.
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  It is so dark.
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  People minimize new age.
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  They say it's subtle or it's passing, it's no longer a thing.
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  But it's growing.
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  One of the reasons I wrote this new book about biblical truth about goddesses is that I'm
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  shocked and so concerned, David, that Wicca is the fastest growing religion in the world
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  right now.
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  And I was a part of that in the new age where I was a part of goddess worship.
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  I wrote about goddesses and taught about them.
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  I would go to goddess temples all over the world and kneel down and light candles to
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  these goddesses and ask them favors and the favors would come.
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  That's the thing that's that counterfeit of the devil.
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  And so women who I met at Wicca ceremonies in goddess temples, they were like me.
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  They'd been abused or hurt or abandoned.
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  I had a wonderful dad in terms of being a provider but he was completely absent, emotionally
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  and intellectually.
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  He was always at work.
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  And I don't blame him.
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  That was his era.
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  But a lot of us had father hurt that went to goddesses and rejected the patriarchal.
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  You know, I was kind of a freak at the goddess temples because I still loved Jesus and I called
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  God Mother Father and that's what I was raised to call him.
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  I repent for that but that's what the Christian science new thought church calls God.
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  But my concern is that women who have been deeply hurt and wounded by a man have rejected
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  Jesus and God because of the masculine pronouns in the Bible and they either try to spiritualize
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  that they call God she, which is so sad and or they just don't have anything to do.
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  In fact, in Wicca you don't even mention the devil because that's considered a Christian
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  term.
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  So you reject everything of Christianity in Wicca and these women are, they're on the
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  broad road to hell and they do not know it because they think they're doing good.
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  They think, well, we're not like witches.
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  You know, we've taken a coven vow to only do good but that's deception right there.
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  So deceptive because they think that these are these are real goddesses from Celtic spirituality.
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  They've been preyed to Roman Catholic female saints like Mary and Mary Magdalene and
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  they think that they are talking to real beings when we know what the Bible says is that
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  these are the devil masquerading as an angel of light or as a goddess.
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  We know all the Bible talks about the idols are they they're deaf and they're mute and
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  they're dumb.
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  They can't hear us.
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  They can't answer prayers.
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  These women in Wicca also prey to the universe which is flipping.
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  That's a revelation, I'm sorry, Romans 1, 25, 26 about serving the creature instead
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  of the creator.
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  So much sin in these circles that I used to be in and I'm so concerned that it's the
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  number one growing religion.
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  I don't even want to call it a religion.
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  It's a cult really.
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  Ironically started and popularized by a man who wrote a book on this and started it and
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  they don't reject him.
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  A lot of illogic in that.
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  Well we know Wicca has is very popular especially since Harry Potter, that brand just ballooned
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  and in the public schools with young people, the younger generations.
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  There were I don't know if you're aware of this because I did this study on the NEA, the
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  National Education Association.
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  They had Harry Potter lesson plans.
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  So they're teaching Wicca is a they've got a 501c3 because they're a nonprofit.
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  So they're in the schools, they're teaching Wicca crafting other things that you got mindfulness,
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  you know, Buddha, some classes, you know, talk about yoga for relaxing, the five pillars
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  of Islam, but no biblical Christianity, Doreen, no, Christian is very interesting when you
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  took out in the early 1960s, God, prayer and the Bible from government runs schools, something
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  had to fill that void.
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  We need to take a short break in a minute or two, but when we come back, I want to dive
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  into your first, the first book you mentioned, truth about goddesses, biblical truth about
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  goddesses.
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  Wicca, witchcraft, idolatry.
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  I want you to help us connect some dots in the last 100 years, at least in America.
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  What's been happening with this females is the celebrities and wanting power and like
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  you said, they're against the patriarchy, you see this in entertainers 10 years, five years
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  ago, 10 years ago out in San Francisco, they had a Beyonce mass, a Beyonce mass at a church
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  in San Francisco.
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  Anyway, we'll talk about that because we see this in entertainment, it's all about women
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  and the feminist movement and power, but before we do that, I want to mention your other
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  devotional, praise God in the storm, comforting encouragement, it's a 30 day devotional for
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  Christian women.
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  Tell us about that.
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  I know it must be very, very encouraging and uplifting for women and this is brand new,
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  like within the last month or two.
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  Yes, thank you, David.
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  Praise God in the storm is the result of me going through deep suffering.
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  I've lost so many people in my life, my parents, the father of my children died.
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  My first husband and just a lot of suffering that I've gone through and so I went, I allowed
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  myself to go deep deep in the suffering while writing the book so that it's authentic.
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  So I can talk to women who are going through any kind of hardship and I presented the biblical
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  teachings, the verses that have lifted me up out of suffering or allowed me to go through
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  it with trust in the Lord and knowing that he allows us to suffer.
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  He allowed David, for instance, to be persecuted by Saul and to be completely afraid for his
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  life for all those years living in caves and he allowed that to happen to prepare, David,
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  for his being the king and the battles that he would face.
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  And in the same way, God is with us in the storm.
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  He holds our hand in the storm.
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  He's not abandoning us like I thought sometimes like, why aren't you hearing my prayers?
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  I hear women say that a lot.
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  He does hear your prayers and sometimes your prayers says, you're going to stay in this.
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  And in this book, we go into when it's a consequence of prior sin.
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  I've certainly gone through that when it's God disciplining you because God disciplines
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  those he loves just like we teach our kids not to run into the street when there's traffic.
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  And so it's just, it's this appreciation and this praise of God no matter what we're
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  going through.
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  And of course, we'd prefer never to suffer, but that's just not how God created this
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  world.
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  He allows us to suffer to help us to increase perseverance, endurance, to draw us closer
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  to him, to increase our faith and trust in him.
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  All sorts of things that he builds in us during each storm we're going through.
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  So it really is an act of love when he allows us to suffer.
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  I know it doesn't feel that way.
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  When you hear people say, count it all joy, you know, it doesn't really help in the
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  moment.
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  It doesn't when you're suffering, but it really is what it comes down to whether you're
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  going through financial stress is so many of us are right now, or you're going through
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  a health challenge or a loss or in relationship, it doesn't matter what the challenge form
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  is.
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  Underneath, it's the same process of God being with you and that we are to praise him.
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  In fact, if I could just say one more thing, when I was, when I was a new age or we held
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  the belief that any kind of suffering you did was your fault.
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  You attracted it with your negative thinking.
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  And so we thought we were the creator, but so when I was first saved, and this would have
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  been back in late 2017, eight years ago, and I started to suffer because of losing friends
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  and family now that I was a Christian, people were really angry with me.
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  And they were, they were not holding back telling me that they were angry with me.
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  And so I was suffering.
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  And what I read in the King James version of the Bible in Isaiah, I think it's 43.6 about
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  the ashes for glory.
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  And in this, it says to exchange the spirit, the spirit of heaviness for the spirit of praise.
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  Exchange it.
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  And I thought, that's it.
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  It was like the Holy Spirit illuminated that passage.
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  And what I started to do is sincerely think of everything I was grateful to God about,
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  of course, starting with my salvation, that he would save a rich like me.
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  And I got on my knees and I was praising God not as a tool, but sincerely from my heart,
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  everything that I could think of to be grateful for that I'm alive, you know, basic things.
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  I have a roof over my head.
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  Thank you, Lord.
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  Feed me.
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  You know, I have my children and such.
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  And it was just like the verse said, David, as I was praising God, the spirit of heaviness,
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  just lifted.
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  Wow.
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  And I find that that a lot of times I'm in heaviness because I'm thinking about myself.
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  I'm wallowing in self-pity, or I'm angry with the people involved.
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  And there's that, it's like you can't breathe because it's so heavy.
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  Where our focus needs to be on God always.
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  And praising him.
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  And praising him, even if we can't understand the blessings, the hidden blessings in the
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  storm we're in.
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  Yes.
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  I'm glad you mentioned the spirit of heaviness, a very real thing.
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  We've got to take a brief pause with Doreen Virtio.
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  All right, friends, we've got a lot of books that are available.
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  It sounds like something I want to get, especially the devotional for women.
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  Doreen, do you think I'd be allowed to get the praise God in the storm?
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  That sounds like something that I would like to look at too.
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  If you don't mind that I call you sister throughout the book, okay, okay, but I'm sure there's
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  things we could glean.
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  But let's go to the biblical truth for goddesses.
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  And this is going to fly by.
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  We're running out of time.
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  So help us connect some dots.
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  What the Bible really says about goddesses, idolatry and witchcraft.
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  So explain this fascination with power, women coming to power, getting power, putting
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  down men, regaining control of themselves, the universe, being their own gods.
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  Tell us about this book.
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  Yeah, biblical truth about goddesses is my response to hearing so many women online saying
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  this is going to be really blasphemous.
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  This is an alert, guard your heart as I say this, but there's women all over the internet
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  saying that Jesus used witchcraft to heal people and that they do and they say, therefore
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  it's that the Bible condones witchcraft and teaches witchcraft.
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  They say that this is a popular movement of calling themselves Christian witches.
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  It's unbelievable.
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  It's something that's so condemned so clearly in the old and the New Testament.
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  And witchcraft and sorcery, of course, are hand in hand.
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  And we read in Revelation 21 and 22 that those who are sorcerers will be cast into the
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  lake of fire for eternity and not allowed to go to the New Heaven.
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  So this is a salvific issue.
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  I'm so concerned about this that I wrote this book, biblical truth about goddesses for any
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  woman who is the hearing that you can have power and control through using witchcraft
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  or becoming a wick and or or praying to goddesses.
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  And that includes the Roman Catholic saints too that I used to pray to.
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  I went to lords to pray to Mary and I revere mother Mary.
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  I mean, she's the earthly mother of our Lord and Savior, but I'm concerned about the
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  unbiblical practices that I saw at lords and and such.
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  So this is a book for women as a wake up call to compare what the Bible says to what they're
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  doing.
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  You hear the phrase bantied about the divine feminine.
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  We heard Katie Perry say this recently with that whole space thing that she was involved
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  in, whatever that was.
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  She gave credit to the divine feminine, forgiving her the strength to go through whatever that
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  experience was.
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  And divine feminine is a is an absolute occultic term.
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  I used it in the new age.
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  It is elevating your gender, your sex.
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  It is putting down men subtly or overtly by saying this and it's taking that women.
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  I think we really do have a kind of unspoken communication with our babies who can't talk
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  yet.
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  You know, so there's some people called women's intuition.
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  I don't use that term.
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  You have this ability as a woman to tune in to your baby to know if they're cold or hot
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  or hungry or changed diapers, et cetera.
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  And so this is the part that they're elevating with divine feminine that women are somehow
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  more sacred.
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  There's a phrase that's being used right now.
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  You'll see it on t-shirts called the future is female.
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  And this is the same women since you deal with politics a lot on your show, David, you'll
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  know this from statistics, these are women who will vote for any female running for
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  office.
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  They don't even care what her platform is.
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  They don't even research what her platform is.
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  They just vote for her because she's female or identifying female.
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  And that's just crazy to think that just because someone's a female that they're somehow
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  elevated.
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  I mean, just read the Bible about Jezebel.
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  I mean, this is evil.
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  And so we have to be very, very discerning to not think that we women are better than
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  men because in God's eyes, we are both sexes are worthy.
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  We just have different roles.
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  And we have to also watch out for the lure of having power.
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  These witchcraft spells do seem to work, new age things do seem to work.
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  Your professing Christian neighbor could recommend something to you that's witchcraft sorcery
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  like vision boards, for example.
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  People think that's Christian.
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  They twist havoc to two to justify it.
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  Be careful of anything where you're conjuring, conjuring is sorcery, conjuring is witchcraft.
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  And that's not more power.
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  That's actually the demons being counterfeits to fool you, to think that you're getting
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  power when it's just a ruse.
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  And I was part of that and I apologize if I misled anybody who followed me in the new
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  age.
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  And I've repented to God, of course.
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  So there must be a fine line when it comes to the word faith, creative power in your
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  words, taking authority over something in your life, isn't that?
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  So that's a Christian, well, might want to put that in the air quotes, it's a Christian
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  doctrine or some churches really believe in some more deeply than others.
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  And what you're explaining about these, even the goddesses, the truth about goddesses
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  and the idolatry and wanting power, trying to create things with our words, that's not
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  biblical, is it?
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  No.
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  I mean, the Bible talks about that we were given the spirit of power.
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  And that's the Holy Spirit, the indwelling Holy Spirit, given to every born again Christian
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  is the only power we have, the only strength we have is strength in Christ.
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  We, on our own, can do nothing apart from Christ.
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  Amen.
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  And so how can you maybe encourage, well, both women and men, because we all, you know,
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  we're, we watch entertainment, whether it's sports and we talk about idolatry, right?
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  Sports.
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  We'll set that aside for the moment and just talk, look at the obvious that you mentioned
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  Taylor Swift at the very beginning of this podcast.
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  I mean, you look at someone like that and to me, I just see, I don't want to say demonic,
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  but if she's not following Jesus, either you're for him or against him, either it's the
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  Holy Spirit that you're promoting and using and trying to push out their or it's unholy
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  spirits, demonic spirits.
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  Can you speak to that briefly?
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  We've got a lot of people that have taken entertainment that is surely not Christian.
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  Yeah, we've got to guard our hearts and that means being careful what you listen to, the
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  devil uses music to get inside of our minds and our hearts to try to lead us away from
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  the Bible away from the real Jesus and to follow ourselves.
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  So what Taylor Swift does is elevate the self.
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  It sounds good for any woman who's been abused and, you know, in psychology, we call it
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  self-esteem has been battered.
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  It can feel good to think that, oh, gosh, I'm elevated.
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  I can do this here.
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  I'm woman.
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  I'm a roar.
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  That can feel good to a woman who's been absolutely beat down by circumstances or people in her
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  life, but it's a false trap.
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  It's like giving candy to us from a stranger.
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  Don't take the bait.
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  Trust in the Lord with all of your heart and do not lean on your own understanding.
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  That's where it comes down to is that through these storms in life, through feeling battered,
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  abused, abandoned, betrayed, I've gone through it all.
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  We've got to lean on God and not our own self or especially these occultic practices.
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  Thank you, Doreen.
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  And as you said, I think what you say, we've got to spend more time in the word of God
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  than in entertainment and in all these other things.
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  So friends, praise God in the storm.
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  That's one.
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  Also how to avoid new age thought and deception.
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  And of course, biblical truth about goddesses, fascinating, two devotionals and that third
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  book, biblical truth, great stuff, Doreen, thanks for putting these out there.
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  Great resources.
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  Lord willing, we'll do this again in the near future.
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  Appreciate your time, sister.
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  Thank you, brother David, and God bless you.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Friends, because by way too fast, God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth
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  about things that matter.