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Roses By Gaslight · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. We have gotten to talk to
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Speaker 1: you so many times in the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: It's been actually incredible. We've had a week where we
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Speaker 1: did two episodes with a special episode than this. Last weekend,
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Speaker 1: we were able to celebrate with many of you on
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Speaker 1: our virtual engagement party for Jessica Clark and myself, but
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Speaker 1: mostly Jessica because she's awesome. And now we're back breaking
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Speaker 1: down another episode of Katie Thurston's season of The Bachelor. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's Hometowns and we have the one and only Ashley
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Speaker 1: can Eddie here to help us break it down. The
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Speaker 1: one and only that is me. Well, Ben, what did
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Speaker 1: you do this weekend besides not going to NAPA for
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Speaker 1: your engagement party? I came back to Rhode Island after
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Speaker 1: a good stint at my parents, who babied me and
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Speaker 1: took care of me. Where my nursing team. I'm starting
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Speaker 1: to feel a little bit better, but not on would
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Speaker 1: because guess what last time I said that I threw
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Speaker 1: up seven times in one day, So knocking on lots
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Speaker 1: of wood. Um, I obviously don't do a lot of
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Speaker 1: things these days. Today is maybe a big day though,
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Speaker 1: because Jared and I are going to find out the
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Speaker 1: gender of our child. I think sex is more appropriate
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Speaker 1: word there, but we're finding out the sex and our
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Speaker 1: child today and um, yeah, so we're just gonna We're
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Speaker 1: gonna go to the beach and like sit on a
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Speaker 1: rock after a softball game and to open an email
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Speaker 1: from my doctor's office. Are you nervous? Are you like,
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Speaker 1: what are the emotions around this? Oh? My god, I'm
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Speaker 1: so nervous, and honestly, like so nervous. I got the
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Speaker 1: text a couple of days ago that we could find out,
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Speaker 1: but Jared and I wanted to be like together and
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Speaker 1: like have a moment, And I honestly was cool with
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Speaker 1: postponing at a couple days just because I'm so nervous,
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Speaker 1: just because I am, like, I feel bad if it's
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Speaker 1: a boy, he's gonna be like, Mom, you literally told
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Speaker 1: the whole media that you wanted a girl, and then
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Speaker 1: I'll be like, you know, but but then I had
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Speaker 1: you and it didn't matter because everybody says that like
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Speaker 1: legitimately went to the babies in your arms. You don't
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Speaker 1: care about anything like that. Um, but you know, like
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Speaker 1: I'm just like always been such a girly girl, and
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Speaker 1: as I've always just dreamed of having a daughter. So
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Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, obviously I'll be happy either way.
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Speaker 1: And we got a whole bunch of tests back and
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Speaker 1: everything looks really good and healthy and normal, and that
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Speaker 1: is truly the most important thing. So I'm going to
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Speaker 1: be happy either way. By the time the boy is
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Speaker 1: old enough to call you out on this, it ain't
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Speaker 1: gonna matter anymore. No, right, exactly, you're gonna matter. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is a big day, Okay. I've always wondered because
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Speaker 1: finding out the sex of your child it feels like
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Speaker 1: such an important thing. It feels like such a big thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean it is a big thing. Yeah, but people
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Speaker 1: do it in so many different ways. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I think I would be sick to my stomach, not
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Speaker 1: not for any reason, Like, hey, honestly, I'm scared to death.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have eight like little daughters. And that makes
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Speaker 1: me like, it keeps me up at night. It sounds
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Speaker 1: like a nightmare because that because you feel like you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to relate to daughters, or because you'd
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Speaker 1: be so worried about Yeah, I'd be so worried. I'd
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Speaker 1: be just I know it, and I know this is
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Speaker 1: gonna happen, and I know it's how my life is
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Speaker 1: gonna look. And I'm gonna have stomach cramps and definitely
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Speaker 1: a girl dad indiggestion forever. That's gonna be brutal. But anyways, Hey,
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Speaker 1: huge weeking for you. So you asked what Jessica and
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Speaker 1: I did. We were supposed to go to NAPA. Jessica
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Speaker 1: was so excited for it. She had picked up new outfits.
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Speaker 1: She had told her friends and family, Um, they had
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Speaker 1: sent her gifts for Napa. Like she wants to go
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Speaker 1: to Napa so bad. We're gonna take her Nappa. Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't feel that bad because like we're gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna take her to NAP and we're gonna have a
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Speaker 1: great time. She just go next weekend, just like pick
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Speaker 1: up and do it. Well, that's a little difficult when
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Speaker 1: I'm not uh in Denver for next two months. Uh,
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Speaker 1: we're what traveling. It's tough. It's tough. It's going to
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Speaker 1: be in Denver. But you mean for not sent a
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Speaker 1: period of time. Yeah, not for a weekend. But anyways,
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Speaker 1: we we'll go to Napa. And this weekend, when we
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Speaker 1: found out that NAPA was canceled supposedly, Uh, we said, okay,
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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do it this weekend? And we said,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go and we're gonna have a great time together.
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Speaker 1: And so Friday night, after our virtual shower, we went
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Speaker 1: on a really nice day and we shared a bottle
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Speaker 1: of wine and we talked about life and we celebrate
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Speaker 1: each other because we don't get to be together alone
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Speaker 1: extremely often. And then Saturday, Uh met up for a
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Speaker 1: run and reran um about six miles together up a mountains.
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Speaker 1: So we did seven hundred feet of elevation without stopping.
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Speaker 1: It was our goal six Oh wait, you would s
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Speaker 1: smiles uphill without st Yes, we did. Ash. It was crazy.
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Speaker 1: She that is so beyond my comprehensions. Beyond mine too,
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Speaker 1: but my goodness. And then we went with our friends
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Speaker 1: on a hike It's called Maxwell Falls, a really popular
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Speaker 1: hike right right outside of Denver. And then we went
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Speaker 1: to Ucci, a sushi restaurant for dinner that night, had
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Speaker 1: an incredible time. And then yesterday, Uh, she had a
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Speaker 1: wedding shower for one of her closest friends. I played
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Speaker 1: golf and so it actually ended up being uh weekend. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was awesome. So that was a big deal. And
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Speaker 1: then we tuned into our the little pre eclip or
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Speaker 1: pre episode that we get of The Bachelorette. Watched that together.
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Speaker 1: Jessica is all confused because she hasn't seen an episode
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Speaker 1: all season. I'm trying to catch her up. It's way
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Speaker 1: too late in the game to do that, but we
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Speaker 1: got to do that together. Life's good, Ashley. I'm very happy,
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Speaker 1: and it was weekend. I needed just to be with
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Speaker 1: my girl hanging out and celebrating. Oh that's so so sweet. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys had that. I'm still like flabbergast
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Speaker 1: at the fact that you're not going to have a
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Speaker 1: weekend in Denver for two months, and that you went
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Speaker 1: uphill for six miles, Like you don't understand. Like I
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Speaker 1: can't run. Like before I was pregnant, I was. I
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Speaker 1: was in really good shape. I was doing those open
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Speaker 1: fit classes like four or five times a week. I
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Speaker 1: was feeling really good. But I have never been a
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Speaker 1: runner like I I used to. My high school was crazy.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever told you, this, but okay,
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Speaker 1: so my high school totally overachieving public school in northern Virginia,
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Speaker 1: Langley High School. Shout out love you. You did great
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Speaker 1: for me. However, you had to run two and a
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Speaker 1: half miles and twenty minutes in order to get an
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Speaker 1: A two miles in a quarter to get a B.
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Speaker 1: And if you did just a ten ten minute mile,
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Speaker 1: you gotta see, like, that's how crazy it was. So
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Speaker 1: I was always happy to get a B in running.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like that consisted of your entire grade, but
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Speaker 1: that was like a portion in your grade. How crazy
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Speaker 1: is that? That's super fast? Like that's an athlete's status
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Speaker 1: to get an A two and a half miles in
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes. What is that like average pace? Like I
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Speaker 1: think it's like seven that's pretty fast. Yeah, it's pretty fast. Fine,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's not seven thirty because that would be fourteen. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm also bad at math. Anyway. It's running has just
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Speaker 1: been something that I've just always avoided. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that you did six miles up hill, I mean, sorry,
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Speaker 1: I'm going on and on about this. It's just really
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Speaker 1: it's really something good for you guys, to shock and
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Speaker 1: surprise your world. And hey, it was that was the
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Speaker 1: whole points. We had a great weekend together and it
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Speaker 1: was something special. Well, actually, we're gonna take a break here.
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Speaker 1: We have a big episode to breakdown. Obviously, it's hometown
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Speaker 1: week and we get to meet Blake's family U Justin's
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Speaker 1: family as we now know since best friends doesn't show up,
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Speaker 1: but his best friends do come. And then we obviously
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Speaker 1: have probably, uh the shockingly most talked about hometown, or
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Speaker 1: at least character of this episode will be Greg. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna bring in some support to talk about Greg, to
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Speaker 1: break down everything that we're feeling, thinking, everything that we
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Speaker 1: felt watching those scenes between Katie and Greg. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot there. But we're gonna take a break first, and
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Speaker 1: we're gonna come back with the breakdown of this week's Bachelorette.
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Speaker 1: Ben and I talked a little bit before we started
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Speaker 1: show right, and I was like, Ben, I felt nothing
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Speaker 1: the first forty minutes of this episode. I said out
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Speaker 1: loud to Jared, I go, something dramatic, better happened this
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Speaker 1: second half of this episode, or I am going to
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Speaker 1: have nothing to say. These hometowns left me feeling very little.
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Speaker 1: There was nothing monumental or point of conversation. First, we
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Speaker 1: start out with Blake's I liked Blake's mom Um. That
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Speaker 1: was the one that was my one takeaway. Ben, you
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Speaker 1: said that you had plenty to say, So let's start
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Speaker 1: out with Blake's how are you feeling well? I think
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Speaker 1: I want to start this with ask seking a question
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Speaker 1: right back to you, Ashley, why did you feel nothing? Like?
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Speaker 1: Because there's obviously something about this that you were hoping
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Speaker 1: for or expecting, and because it didn't reach your hopes
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Speaker 1: and dreams, you felt nothing. Why is it that you
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Speaker 1: felt nothing? There was just nothing, Like, there was just
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Speaker 1: nothing revealing, Like we didn't learn anything extra about these
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Speaker 1: guys seeing them around their families. And I don't even
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Speaker 1: think it has to do with like going to the
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Speaker 1: actual hometown, because we've already had two seasons where they
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Speaker 1: like mimic the hometown. And I felt way more from
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Speaker 1: those families, and I felt like more connected to the
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Speaker 1: contestants through watching them with their families. And maybe I
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Speaker 1: got that a little bit with Greg when they were
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Speaker 1: talking about his dad and the fact that he had
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Speaker 1: had not been this happy and so long, um and
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Speaker 1: you know, showing the picture of a dad and like
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Speaker 1: the nieces and nephews on the TV, like I felt like, Okay, Wow,
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Speaker 1: this guy like has an amazing family support system around him.
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Speaker 1: He really is as close to his family as he's
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Speaker 1: said that he is. UM with Justin. I think it
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Speaker 1: was weird that he didn't clarify to Katie why his
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Speaker 1: parents didn't go, because from what we saw, it seemed
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Speaker 1: as if, um, Justin's parents just weren't really condoning him
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Speaker 1: being part of this process and he it seemed like
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Speaker 1: they weren't in support of him getting engaged after such
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Speaker 1: a little amount of time and they didn't really want
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Speaker 1: to progress that. And then with Blake's family, it was fine,
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Speaker 1: it was nice, it was okay, but like I also
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Speaker 1: didn't feel like I got I didn't like it wasn't
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Speaker 1: like an added layer was put on top of Blake
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Speaker 1: because of his family. Well, and I think that points
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Speaker 1: is something. It points to my to what I was
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Speaker 1: feeling was, you know, Blake I think does feel something
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Speaker 1: for Katie. I think this has been shockingly um more
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Speaker 1: real than he expected it to be, even showing up late, Like,
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Speaker 1: I think he's really into this and now we're watching
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Speaker 1: this kind of unfold at hometowns where things get serious
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Speaker 1: you're bringing your family into this and you're and his
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Speaker 1: family was almost pushing him to take a step, like
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Speaker 1: they were saying, do you really want to see this
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Speaker 1: girl go? So I wonder you know how much they
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Speaker 1: knew about Blake's crush on Katie or feelings for Katie
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Speaker 1: before he even left. I think they're excited about it.
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Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised, based on being around this
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Speaker 1: a few times, how much Blake's family pushed him to
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Speaker 1: say say how you're feeling, or this is going to
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Speaker 1: be done, and almost saying Blake, like, we don't want
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Speaker 1: to see this not work out for you, like I
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Speaker 1: was since I was getting okay, I can get that.
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Speaker 1: I also feel like with Blake, he is very matter
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Speaker 1: of fact right, like he's not that'sn't come across as
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Speaker 1: a very emotional guy. We've talked about how like I
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Speaker 1: don't sense like romanticism from him. So it's like everything
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Speaker 1: he says seems like it's coming from a state of
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Speaker 1: fact instead of like a state of emotion. And I
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Speaker 1: feel like that's probably why he even didn't say anything
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Speaker 1: at the end, even though he was preparing himself to
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Speaker 1: say something. I feel like he can't get lost in
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Speaker 1: the moment a lot. I'm totally over analyzing to do
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Speaker 1: it as well. But okay, so then we flash forward
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Speaker 1: and this is all coming off to anybody out there listening,
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Speaker 1: This is all coming off Ashley's statement way before we
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Speaker 1: started this saying, Hey, this is gonna be a tough podcast,
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Speaker 1: because I honestly felt very little at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: this podcast. And so the hope of this conversation is
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Speaker 1: to pull out and anything good that we can take
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Speaker 1: away from because obviously with the end of the podcast,
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Speaker 1: we're hoping something good comes from these first hometown dates. Well,
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Speaker 1: Justin's parents don't show up, uh, and I what I
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Speaker 1: think it does is it takes away from the show.
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with their decision. I do wish
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Speaker 1: they would have been there in support of Justin and
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Speaker 1: told him this to his face, like maybe, hey, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna show up. We're gonna look at our son in
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Speaker 1: the eyes and say we're not gonna want to meet Katie,
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Speaker 1: or if we meet Katie, uh, we're gonna make it
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Speaker 1: very clear to both of you that we aren't in support.
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Speaker 1: If you're getting engaged, I thought, sitting in from a
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Speaker 1: distance over the phone, knowing that their son is going
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Speaker 1: through one of the most traumatic experiences of his life,
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Speaker 1: especially if he's there towards the end, and saying sorry, man,
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Speaker 1: we're just not gonna be there. Like, I felt like
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Speaker 1: that was hard to swallow. I didn't love that decision
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Speaker 1: quite honestly. Yeah, we really haven't seen that before with siblings,
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Speaker 1: but not with parents. It's just a parent, I believe,
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Speaker 1: like it's just nice to see them face to face,
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Speaker 1: like you miss them after a while, and and so
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Speaker 1: it had been nice if they would have told him
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Speaker 1: that in person. Uh, And who knows why that didn't happen.
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Speaker 1: But I also feel like it takes away from the
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Speaker 1: show a bit because as a result, Justin's hometown is
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Speaker 1: not really I mean, I'm with you, Like it didn't
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Speaker 1: have a lot of emotional layer to it. His friends
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Speaker 1: were kind of being friends and they were talking, uh
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Speaker 1: to Katie, they were I feel like they were almost
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Speaker 1: censoring themselves and just trying to be there because they
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Speaker 1: knew Justin needed somebody around him during this really traumatic time.
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Speaker 1: But it fell short for me. I didn't learn a
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Speaker 1: lot about Justin during this whole date. Uh. It just
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Speaker 1: felt like it didn't need I'm just not feeling like
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Speaker 1: this is a couple that's gonna last to the end.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a shot because the chemistry has
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Speaker 1: not been seen yet, especially on this date. Mm hmm, Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 1: And another thing worth mentioning is that Katie tells all
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Speaker 1: three I believe families that she's not saying I love
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Speaker 1: you to anyone because she doesn't think it would be
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Speaker 1: right if she did that while other guys were still
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Speaker 1: in the mix. And I actually really liked that. I
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Speaker 1: totally respect that. I think that's cool decision, and I
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Speaker 1: think it's a decision that the guys would prefer. Right
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Speaker 1: and then and then we get into the Greg sitch,
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Speaker 1: and but before we get there, is there anything else
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Speaker 1: that you think is worth mentioning? No, I think you're right, Ashley, Uh,
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Speaker 1: in the sense of, Hey, these first two homedowns, I
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Speaker 1: felt like there needed to be more that happened. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I do think that the Blake situation feels still even
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Speaker 1: um as I watch Blake and his family with together,
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Speaker 1: I do feel like there is something very like deep
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Speaker 1: in that relationship. But I will I will say this
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Justin's time on the show. I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that was the moment where I realized, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work Anyways. We can fast forward to
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Speaker 1: Greg and you can take it away because I know
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Speaker 1: you have a lot of strong feelings about this, and
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Speaker 1: we are going to bring in somebody that we know
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Speaker 1: well to help us with this. Ashley, who were talking
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Speaker 1: with today, We are bringing in Dr Hillary Goldscher, who
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Speaker 1: has been on our podcast a lot to talk about
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Speaker 1: emotional insensitive subjects that come up on The Bachelor. We
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Speaker 1: got her on today last minute because I was watching
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Speaker 1: the episode and I was like, this is gaslighting to
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Speaker 1: the extreme? Right, Am I misinterpreting something? Did I not
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Speaker 1: watch carefully enough? I'm missing it? Um because I think
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Speaker 1: this guy is totally making up these issues out of
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Speaker 1: thin air, and he's making a huge deal and he's
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Speaker 1: he's making some of these issues or something that you
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Speaker 1: just can't come back from. I just think he was
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Speaker 1: twisting everything back onto Katie because and my theory is
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Speaker 1: that he just didn't he didn't want to be there anymore,
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Speaker 1: and like he didn't have strong enough feelings and this
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Speaker 1: was his way of making him not seeming like the
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Speaker 1: bad guy, but her seeming like the person that just
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Speaker 1: couldn't commit enough. So, Ashley, for anybody out there, like
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Speaker 1: myself who always needs clearly, what is gaslighting? All right,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up like a real definition of gas lighting.
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Speaker 1: So it says gas lighting is a word for a
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Speaker 1: specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is successful in
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Speaker 1: having the target question their own reality, their own memory
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Speaker 1: or perceptions. So basically, Greg in the situation, would make
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Speaker 1: Katie feel like she did something that really messed with
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Speaker 1: their relationship when I don't think she did. So let's
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Speaker 1: let's get to the crux of the situation. Two weeks
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Speaker 1: ago or whatever, Greg said, I'm falling in love with
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Speaker 1: you with Katie. She didn't say that back. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he was at all referring to that moment.
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Speaker 1: But like the big moment that he refers to in
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Speaker 1: this argument is when after he meets she meets the family,
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Speaker 1: she she sits down with Greg. He says, you filled
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Speaker 1: a hole in my heart that has been empty, you know,
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Speaker 1: basically since my father passed away, and I've truly never
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Speaker 1: been I don't remember the last time I was this
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Speaker 1: happy and he's very emotional, he's crying, and then he
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Speaker 1: claims that she did not give enough emotion or comfort
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Speaker 1: in that moment back to him, and then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, he starts to think that she's not reciprocating
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Speaker 1: the feelings like she used to with him, So he's
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Speaker 1: immediately thinking her feelings must be stronger for somebody else.
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Speaker 1: And at that night, so like they're at the hometown
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Speaker 1: when you know, before she gets into the car and
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Speaker 1: all that, I'm thinking, Okay, he's freaking out, Like I understand,
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Speaker 1: he really just wants her to say, I'm falling in
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Speaker 1: love with you too, and you make me as happy
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Speaker 1: and you fill holes in my heart and all that stuff.
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Speaker 1: I understand. I understood him more in that moment where
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Speaker 1: like he just wanted to hear something that was like
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Speaker 1: more confirming that it was going to be him. In
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Speaker 1: the end, I was kind of like a Sean Booth moment.
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Speaker 1: Can you kind of describe what I mean by that,
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Speaker 1: because I feel like Sean kind of like it was
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Speaker 1: always freaking out and then he and he was always
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Speaker 1: just wanting confirmation that it was him. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: you see it a few times in the show too,
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Speaker 1: is you start to lose control a little bit. You
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Speaker 1: think every you know, you probably in your head, start
19:59
Speaker 1: getting overly offinite. You start thinking that you're the one
20:02
Speaker 1: that's going to be chosen. Uh, you get really excited
20:06
Speaker 1: about that. Maybe hopefully you're getting excited about that. And
20:09
Speaker 1: then the show does a really good job every time
20:14
Speaker 1: at kind of seeing through that and bringing that confidence
20:19
Speaker 1: down and making you question where exactly you stand with
20:23
Speaker 1: the lead. Yeah, I was like, dude, don't you see
20:28
Speaker 1: that you're on a show right now? She can't say
20:31
Speaker 1: it back to you, and it was frustrating to me
20:33
Speaker 1: that it seemed like he wasn't getting that. And then
20:37
Speaker 1: if we can translate it to real life, like take
20:41
Speaker 1: the show away, right, it happens like these scenarios, right,
20:45
Speaker 1: and now some people handle them better than others. I'm
20:47
Speaker 1: not saying that like what Greg did was right or
20:52
Speaker 1: anything like that, but what I'm saying is, you know,
20:55
Speaker 1: you start to date somebody or you start to get
20:58
Speaker 1: overly confident in relationship, and maybe a break up happens, uh,
21:01
Speaker 1: And maybe something happens in your life that you feel
21:03
Speaker 1: like you're losing control. And some people go with because
21:07
Speaker 1: of their insecurity probably, and because of the lack of
21:12
Speaker 1: grasp that they we have on a situation, they start
21:14
Speaker 1: to say things and do things to make to justify
21:20
Speaker 1: their actions or their reason for being hurt. And as
21:24
Speaker 1: a result that that's a slippery slow uh and it
21:27
Speaker 1: can end really poorly. And I think that's what we're
21:30
Speaker 1: seeing here. There's some justification being done because Greg's like, Oh,
21:34
Speaker 1: I've got this in the bag, this is all done.
21:36
Speaker 1: Katie are going to be together. She's gonna be loving
21:39
Speaker 1: on me, she's gonna be so happy that she hears
21:41
Speaker 1: me say that she's the one for me. And when
21:44
Speaker 1: she doesn't, he goes, oh, okay, well this is why
21:47
Speaker 1: I'm hurt, Katie. This is what you should have done.
21:49
Speaker 1: This is where it went wrong, and it just gets
21:51
Speaker 1: messy and it gets ugly and it gets really hard
21:55
Speaker 1: for the party happen to hear it. So yeah, at
21:58
Speaker 1: first it was like a kay, he's freaking out, he
22:01
Speaker 1: wants confirmation, and then he goes to her room and
22:05
Speaker 1: everything is crazy. He legit it legit says, because you
22:12
Speaker 1: didn't confirm your feelings and you were like not as
22:16
Speaker 1: emotional as I wanted you to be in that moment
22:19
Speaker 1: it's done, like I can never see you the same
22:23
Speaker 1: way again. And his tone, I don't know, he's still
22:28
Speaker 1: like accusatory. It was the weirdest thing. And this is
22:32
Speaker 1: what I want to get in with Dr Colts culture.
22:34
Speaker 1: So we'll get her on the line. Hello, thank you
22:38
Speaker 1: so much for being here. So did you get a
22:40
Speaker 1: chance to watch the last thirty minutes of the episode,
22:43
Speaker 1: which I just found quite mind boggling. I was, I
22:46
Speaker 1: felt like I was being gaslight. I was like, wait
22:49
Speaker 1: a second, Okay, I think she's being gaslight right now,
22:52
Speaker 1: but what if? What? And what's going am I misinterpreting?
22:56
Speaker 1: Like I kept I was like blaming myself for a
22:58
Speaker 1: minute what happened. I was sort of like, we need
23:01
Speaker 1: to take a step back and think about what is
23:03
Speaker 1: gaslighting so we can we can make a conclusion as
23:07
Speaker 1: to whether or not we think that's happening, Like gaslighting
23:09
Speaker 1: is the sort of notion of people using kind of
23:12
Speaker 1: psychological warfare manipulation to make someone kind of question their
23:16
Speaker 1: own experience or their own sort of sanity. And do
23:20
Speaker 1: you think that was a version of what was happening?
23:24
Speaker 1: I think I think so, yes. I mean, I feel
23:28
Speaker 1: like he took like a little issue and he totally
23:31
Speaker 1: blew it up to the point where like there was
23:33
Speaker 1: no return, where I think in a sane relationship it
23:38
Speaker 1: would have been like, Okay, let's say that you didn't
23:43
Speaker 1: respond the way I expected you to and kind of
23:45
Speaker 1: move on forward. Well, I mean, it's sort of like,
23:49
Speaker 1: as I was thinking about it, I mean, there seems
23:51
Speaker 1: like two potential explanations. One could be a sort of
23:55
Speaker 1: fragile ego state of brick right, which wouldn't really fall
24:00
Speaker 1: into the category of gas lighting per se, but rather
24:04
Speaker 1: not being able to handle the emotional heavy lifting that's
24:08
Speaker 1: sort of required to remain in that environment. But if
24:11
Speaker 1: you get that far and you claim to love this
24:14
Speaker 1: person so much to the point that like they filled
24:16
Speaker 1: a whole in your heart, you're going to give up
24:18
Speaker 1: on that fast, especially when she still can continue to
24:21
Speaker 1: say confirming things like she said it wasn't enough or
24:24
Speaker 1: he didn't like the way it was worded, but she said,
24:27
Speaker 1: you're my number one, and I was giving you giving
24:31
Speaker 1: you a rose this week, So she was saying what
24:34
Speaker 1: she could, like not legally, but like you know, per
24:38
Speaker 1: the norms of bachelorette possibilities. Is that he literally was
24:43
Speaker 1: unable to dwell in the uncertainty that it felt too insecure,
24:48
Speaker 1: too vulnerable, um too difficult to sort of manage and navigate,
24:54
Speaker 1: and or at least for the gas lighting possibility, if
24:58
Speaker 1: there was a part of and that wasn't feeling the
25:01
Speaker 1: same way about her sort of turning around this situation
25:04
Speaker 1: as a way to be the more sympathetic character in
25:08
Speaker 1: a way to sort of escape the situation without blame.
25:11
Speaker 1: Is that sort of where your gas lighting hypothesis came in? Yes? Yes,
25:17
Speaker 1: And then I'm also kind of like thinking, I mean,
25:19
Speaker 1: this is like a whole this is like my theory
25:21
Speaker 1: now is okay? So a couple months ago, we saw
25:25
Speaker 1: that Katie liked a tweet from Greg that that was
25:30
Speaker 1: referring to Greg about him being an actor and like
25:34
Speaker 1: he and then we found out that he had taken
25:35
Speaker 1: acting classes or whatnot. And then I and now watching
25:39
Speaker 1: this makes me feel like the guy must have never
25:43
Speaker 1: had strong feelings and the entire time he planned this
25:47
Speaker 1: gaslighting sort of situation to flip their relationship ending on
25:53
Speaker 1: her and not him, and like it was all planned.
25:57
Speaker 1: So maybe that's a little bit more of a conspiracy
25:59
Speaker 1: theory bit that's pretty involved. Dr Geldshert, Like, when I
26:07
Speaker 1: lose control, it's something I've had to work on in
26:12
Speaker 1: my life. I do like react poorly oftentimes when I
26:18
Speaker 1: start to feel like things are slipping out of the
26:19
Speaker 1: plan that I had in place, or if I feel like, hey,
26:22
Speaker 1: I'm leading a project at work and now that project
26:25
Speaker 1: is being writted for me because somebody's a little more
26:27
Speaker 1: outspoken coming up from you know, a different angle, and
26:30
Speaker 1: now I have to take a step back, and as
26:32
Speaker 1: a result, like I react poorly in those situations. I'm
26:35
Speaker 1: working on that now in life, and it's always good
26:40
Speaker 1: to get your opinions on this. And in a situation
26:42
Speaker 1: like we see Gregan where he's losing control, Uh, the
26:46
Speaker 1: environment is heavier and more confusing for him than really
26:51
Speaker 1: what he can handle. How do we in life, because
26:55
Speaker 1: we've all been in those situations, how do we handle
26:57
Speaker 1: those situations well? And what are the tools in this
27:00
Speaker 1: ups that we can take the process this and and
27:02
Speaker 1: not end up allowing you to harm ourselves and others? Yeah? Yeah,
27:08
Speaker 1: that really is the bottom line question, isn't it. I Mean,
27:11
Speaker 1: the environment in which Greg finds himself doesn't allow for
27:16
Speaker 1: personal reflection and cause right, and I think that that's
27:21
Speaker 1: part part of the potential problem here. But outside of
27:25
Speaker 1: that environment, a key to the question you just asked
27:28
Speaker 1: is being able to pause and to reflect and to
27:31
Speaker 1: allow the feelings that you're having, whatever, however uncomfortable they are,
27:36
Speaker 1: however insecure, however vulnerable, however dark to surface. You know,
27:41
Speaker 1: what we suppress shows up as symptoms, shows up as symptoms.
27:45
Speaker 1: If we don't deal with dark thoughts, dark feelings, dark
27:47
Speaker 1: emotions that we're having, it shows up some other way.
27:50
Speaker 1: Whether it comes out, you know, with physical symptoms like
27:53
Speaker 1: stomach aches and body shakes, or it comes out through
27:57
Speaker 1: irritability or difficulty sleeping, or it comes out through depression, anxiety,
28:00
Speaker 1: it comes out. So as to not have it come
28:04
Speaker 1: out in a way that we haven't chosen and in
28:07
Speaker 1: ways that can be harmful and hurtful to others, we
28:10
Speaker 1: have to pause and we have to allow ourselves to
28:12
Speaker 1: have those difficult, deep conversations about what we're feeling, whether
28:17
Speaker 1: it's with loved ones or a professional, to sort of
28:22
Speaker 1: deal with the feelings that are underneath, or our behaviors
28:25
Speaker 1: aren't just coming from that hurt place. Do you feel
28:29
Speaker 1: like this is a normal reaction to someone's ego being bruised,
28:34
Speaker 1: you know. I mean my answer actually is potentially. I'm
28:37
Speaker 1: not saying it's it's the most advisable one or one
28:41
Speaker 1: that is um is easy to watch, but I do
28:45
Speaker 1: think this can happen. First of all, we have someone
28:49
Speaker 1: in Gregg dealing with a pretty the backdrop of a
28:52
Speaker 1: pretty intense emotional trauma, and that his father passed away.
28:55
Speaker 1: I'm not sure at the timing, but I know that's true. Yeah.
28:58
Speaker 1: And and so when we have trauma and our life
29:01
Speaker 1: and certainly that falls in that category, old ineffective coping
29:07
Speaker 1: mechanisms can come back and be much more difficult to control.
29:12
Speaker 1: And so given that truth, and given that it's not
29:15
Speaker 1: uncommon for hurt people to hurt other people, it's possible.
29:20
Speaker 1: And I have no no idea if it applies, but
29:22
Speaker 1: it's possible that if he was feeling not chosen, feeling
29:25
Speaker 1: that hurt, that vulnerable, that exposed to somehow sort of uh,
29:31
Speaker 1: look at the situation as him not being chosen, It's
29:34
Speaker 1: not entirely impossible to imagine that someone might react by
29:37
Speaker 1: rejecting the other before they get rejected. It is a
29:42
Speaker 1: super complex situation. And this isn't though, and you mentioned like,
29:48
Speaker 1: this isn't super uncommon. This isn't like we're watching something
29:52
Speaker 1: on television right now that we've never seen before and
29:56
Speaker 1: that none of us have an example. This is happening
29:58
Speaker 1: all around us, and so to close out here before
30:00
Speaker 1: we let you go. If we see behavior that is
30:05
Speaker 1: not helpful, it is toxic, it is hurtful happening Uh,
30:09
Speaker 1: in our friends relationships and our own relationships. What advice
30:12
Speaker 1: do you have for us to be able to help? Yeah,
30:16
Speaker 1: I mean to kind of take it from both perspectives.
30:18
Speaker 1: If you see someone doing the hurting, you know to
30:22
Speaker 1: be able to approach someone in a firm, direct but
30:26
Speaker 1: empathetic matter. Are you hurting? You must be hurting, because
30:31
Speaker 1: I see you're hurting others, and I love you enough
30:34
Speaker 1: to call it out. I love you enough to say
30:36
Speaker 1: it out loud, and I love you enough to offer
30:40
Speaker 1: my friendship, my my love to to help you find
30:43
Speaker 1: your way out of this, because I think we often
30:46
Speaker 1: forget that in our sphere we may have someone we
30:49
Speaker 1: see doing me hurting, and then if we are around
30:52
Speaker 1: someone who's being hurt, to be able in that same
30:55
Speaker 1: way to be very direct. I see your being hurt.
30:58
Speaker 1: I see your being treated in a way that hurts
31:00
Speaker 1: my heart. I see that something in your life in
31:04
Speaker 1: this relationship is not sort of holding you up as
31:07
Speaker 1: the person that you are. What can I do to
31:09
Speaker 1: help you? Can I be an earer to listen to you?
31:11
Speaker 1: What resources can we put together to think this through.
31:14
Speaker 1: We don't want to alienate someone by saying this person
31:17
Speaker 1: isn't treating you well, you need to leave. I won't
31:20
Speaker 1: stand for it another minute, because maybe we we lose
31:23
Speaker 1: access to them because it can often be a journey
31:25
Speaker 1: out of toxic dynamics. So we want to be open, compassionate,
31:30
Speaker 1: and you know, a soft place for them to fall.
31:33
Speaker 1: Kind of going off of that, just I'm sorry, Just
31:35
Speaker 1: one more um, is this like a relationship we should
31:39
Speaker 1: even be rooting for anymore? Like? Because he insists that
31:42
Speaker 1: he's in love with her, but it just didn't seem
31:44
Speaker 1: like an action that would have come out of love,
31:47
Speaker 1: true love. In terms of rooting, I guess I would
31:50
Speaker 1: say this what what we didn't see and what you
31:53
Speaker 1: would hope to see in a relationship that feels like
31:55
Speaker 1: it could be stable and supportive and loving in the
31:58
Speaker 1: long run is an ability to have an effective, productive
32:02
Speaker 1: conversation about what was happening. There was a lot of
32:04
Speaker 1: talking around each other instead of either one of them
32:07
Speaker 1: being able to say, like, Hey, I'm feeling super hurt,
32:10
Speaker 1: I'm feeling super vulnerable, I find myself shutting down, I
32:13
Speaker 1: find myself feeling confused. What's happening here? Can we get
32:17
Speaker 1: back to the love and the connection that we haven't
32:19
Speaker 1: find our way out of this? Instead of they were
32:21
Speaker 1: sort of rehashing um uh details and narratives rather than
32:26
Speaker 1: really being able to get to the heart of the issue.
32:29
Speaker 1: And it's something that you want to see for couples
32:33
Speaker 1: long term, being able to uh not just talk around things,
32:37
Speaker 1: but being able to tackle really deep, dark, difficult emotions
32:41
Speaker 1: and and that really seemed to be lacking on both
32:44
Speaker 1: of their parts in this scenario. We always appreciate your time,
32:48
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on UM, thank you for sharing
32:51
Speaker 1: this with us. It's always healthy, it's always helpful, and
32:55
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Dr Hillary Gouldcher, thank you so much.
32:58
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, you guys. By by so Ben
33:03
Speaker 1: going off of that UM after seeing what we saw
33:07
Speaker 1: and after seeing the scenes in the next episode, I'm
33:10
Speaker 1: feeling like they like she's not gonna pick anyone, and
33:15
Speaker 1: I feel like she may go after Greg, and then
33:19
Speaker 1: I don't think she's gonna end up being with Greg. Currently,
33:23
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I don't know about the
33:26
Speaker 1: great piece of this. I don't There's so much that
33:28
Speaker 1: has to happen in one episode for this to work
33:32
Speaker 1: in like a fairy tale love story ending like just so,
33:36
Speaker 1: and I just don't see how that could be one
33:38
Speaker 1: more episode. All of this happens in one episode, and
33:40
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're rooting for them, like it
33:42
Speaker 1: just as hard for me to understand that right now.
33:46
Speaker 1: I think it's either my my if I was a
33:49
Speaker 1: betting man, which at times of my life I am,
33:53
Speaker 1: I would say that she's not with anybody and this
33:56
Speaker 1: ended tragically just kind of disappointing for her. And that's
33:59
Speaker 1: some men that she was closest with and had the
34:02
Speaker 1: most potential with, uh either left or just it didn't
34:07
Speaker 1: work out for them. And I think she ends this
34:10
Speaker 1: asking why and wondering what do I do now If
34:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to flip this a little bit into towards
34:17
Speaker 1: a positive direction, possibly, she tells Justin and Blake that
34:23
Speaker 1: she's done with the process. She you know, she planned
34:26
Speaker 1: on picking Gragnuts on how it went, and then perhaps
34:31
Speaker 1: she rekindles things with Blake in real life. Holy moly,
34:36
Speaker 1: Ashley and they justlike date for a while. I don't know.
34:40
Speaker 1: She definitely doesn't get engaged. There's been no teasers of
34:43
Speaker 1: a ring or like a dress and like the step
34:45
Speaker 1: out of the car or anything like that. I don't
34:48
Speaker 1: even think she makes it to the I don't even
34:50
Speaker 1: think there's a like a ceremony thing at the end, Like,
34:54
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a last rose given. I think
34:57
Speaker 1: it just ends. And but we haven't seen that, um
35:02
Speaker 1: in a while, I ever really have. I mean, was
35:04
Speaker 1: the last time we saw somebody walk away? Isn't it
35:08
Speaker 1: Brad Walmack was just the last one who just didn't
35:10
Speaker 1: pick anyone. Yeah, it's just interesting. Well, it's not how
35:14
Speaker 1: I expected this season to end, especially with how great
35:17
Speaker 1: these contestants seemed at the beginning and how great Katie
35:20
Speaker 1: was doing throughout. Um. But it also makes sense on
35:24
Speaker 1: how these stories have progressed where they've kind of ended
35:27
Speaker 1: in this place of limbo and confusion, pain, and it's
35:32
Speaker 1: going to be a really odd way for this season
35:34
Speaker 1: to end. If that's how it ends, well, we'll be
35:36
Speaker 1: back next week breaking down the finale of Katie Thurston's
35:38
Speaker 1: season of The Bachelorette. Uh, I promise we're gonna be
35:42
Speaker 1: here talking about it. And before then, we got some
35:45
Speaker 1: headlines to go through. Right after this break, it's time
35:58
Speaker 1: for one of our favorite segments, especially when the episode
36:01
Speaker 1: doesn't live up to our hopes and dreams. It's Bachelor headlines. Well, Ashley,
36:07
Speaker 1: are you ready? Are you educated? Take it away? The
36:10
Speaker 1: first headline is this Katie Thurston reveals the Bachelorette advice
36:14
Speaker 1: she gave Michelle Young. The quote is just be open.
36:19
Speaker 1: She is starting her season this week. I believe Michelle's
36:23
Speaker 1: tapin starts this week, so Katie said, I've spoken to
36:27
Speaker 1: her as much as I can because I know it's
36:29
Speaker 1: any day now that they're going to take your phone away.
36:32
Speaker 1: I think the biggest advice I've given to her is
36:34
Speaker 1: just be open. Don't close yourself off too early. I
36:37
Speaker 1: think guys could surprise you, um weeks later when you
36:41
Speaker 1: don't expect it. And then there's one guy that Katie
36:45
Speaker 1: actually singled out from her season that she thinks would
36:48
Speaker 1: be a great match for Michelle. She says, it's I
36:50
Speaker 1: t consultant Josh. She thinks that Josh would be a
36:53
Speaker 1: good match for Michelle because they have similar personalities. He's
36:56
Speaker 1: such a sweetheart, and I think she says this that
37:00
Speaker 1: he is what she's looking for, somebody who's just so
37:02
Speaker 1: kind hearted, and that's something that Josh really offers. Well,
37:06
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Why would she be going on and on
37:08
Speaker 1: about this Josh guy. Is he going to pull a Blake?
37:12
Speaker 1: It is a possibility. Now. The difference between Josh and
37:15
Speaker 1: Blake is this, I don't even know who she's talking about.
37:17
Speaker 1: I have to look this guy up, Les Blake. I
37:20
Speaker 1: kind of knew the name of Do you remember Josh? Yes, yes,
37:23
Speaker 1: yes I do. I remember his face now, but I
37:26
Speaker 1: don't think he played a very large role that he
37:29
Speaker 1: barely spoke. I'm looking him up now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
37:33
Speaker 1: this is what I thought it was. Oh yeah, okay,
37:35
Speaker 1: yeah that makes sense. I mean a uh, I would
37:39
Speaker 1: be awesome if Katie Thurston could set up her friend
37:42
Speaker 1: Michelle Uh with this guy because he looks like a
37:45
Speaker 1: nice guy, seems like a nice guy. UM, just be open,
37:48
Speaker 1: she says, Well, next headline of the week. This is
37:51
Speaker 1: one that I Heart sent over during the week weekend
37:56
Speaker 1: and they said, wow, big story. Yeah batch her at
38:00
Speaker 1: Katie Thurston reveal she accidentally used toy cleaner instead of lube.
38:05
Speaker 1: This according to us, you guys, ah, how uncomfortable. And
38:12
Speaker 1: I don't mean in a cringing way. I mean like
38:14
Speaker 1: an actual, like physically perhaps painful way. She said, I
38:18
Speaker 1: woke up this morning and realized I used toy cleaner,
38:21
Speaker 1: like sex toy cleaner instead of lube last night. Um.
38:25
Speaker 1: And then one fan said to look on the bright side. Uh,
38:30
Speaker 1: and she said it says non irritating, so that should
38:35
Speaker 1: be okay. And she said that's the first thing that
38:38
Speaker 1: she checked once she realized, and she was like, okay,
38:41
Speaker 1: at least it's not irritating. So I guess the fact
38:44
Speaker 1: that Katie didn't realize until the morning after really does
38:47
Speaker 1: mean that it was non irritating. But for some reason,
38:52
Speaker 1: this headline makes me feel like she ends up with Blake,
38:55
Speaker 1: because this just sounds like something Blake would be okay
38:58
Speaker 1: with her sharing with the hold I mean, I'm still
39:03
Speaker 1: going with I don't think she ends up with anybody.
39:05
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion, but well, you know what, yeah,
39:10
Speaker 1: that's that's my opinion too now. But at the same time,
39:13
Speaker 1: this just I don't know, this sounds a little like
39:16
Speaker 1: like Blake Britt Oliver. Okay, so Ashley headline reads this.
39:20
Speaker 1: Katie Thurston and Bachelor at Season seventeen casts revealed their
39:23
Speaker 1: top choices for next Bachelor. This according to us backstage
39:28
Speaker 1: at mentel All, it seems like Katie and a lot
39:31
Speaker 1: of the contestants aren't ready to campaign for a lead
39:35
Speaker 1: for a season twenty six of The Bachelor. But of
39:39
Speaker 1: course the name that has been thrown around the most
39:42
Speaker 1: has been Michael a. He said in his own interview,
39:47
Speaker 1: I just got my heartbroken, like twenty minutes ago. I'm
39:50
Speaker 1: really not thinking about anything like that. They would have
39:54
Speaker 1: to change a lot, like it's not the same season
39:57
Speaker 1: with me, So one it's not it's not been offered,
40:01
Speaker 1: and two, there haven't been any conversations. And three I
40:05
Speaker 1: see a lot of risks and issues that do not
40:08
Speaker 1: that are not of interest to me. And I'm not
40:11
Speaker 1: easily flattered either. So the main thing is this, Um,
40:16
Speaker 1: if I did this, I do do I think it
40:19
Speaker 1: would be possible to pursue that kind of love again,
40:23
Speaker 1: I don't know. Andrew was also a popular pick amongst
40:27
Speaker 1: like the names that were thrown out there. Of course, um,
40:30
Speaker 1: I am pretty sure Michael is alluding to the fact
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Speaker 1: that he would not do the entire season without his
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Speaker 1: son being involved. It makes sense. I mean, the guy's
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Speaker 1: already shown the links he'll go to continue to be
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Speaker 1: an involved father, which meant him leaving the show this season. So, uh,
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Speaker 1: my pick goes to Michael. Andrew also met my vote
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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. I'm not a part of the commission board. Um.
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Speaker 1: But also Katie Thurston shares her opinion on which of
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Speaker 1: her Bachelorette contestants will rule in Bachelor in Paradise. It
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Speaker 1: may shock you this. According to US Weekly, she says
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Speaker 1: she's torn between Connor and Aaron. She says Connor is
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Speaker 1: such a sweetheart, he's such a lover, but Aaron was
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Speaker 1: like built for paradise, and I know what she means
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Speaker 1: by that. He's so dramatic. So we'll see, but both
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Speaker 1: of them will be down there. It will be interesting
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Speaker 1: to watch as we get closer will final Bachelor in Paradise.
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Speaker 1: Headline of this week is Bachelor Paradise shares first look
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Speaker 1: at David Spade and more slub guests hosts headed to
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Speaker 1: the beach. This according to e basically it's just at
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Speaker 1: the photos were posted and this year there are photos
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Speaker 1: of the guest house as if they were contestants, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that beach in the background,
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Speaker 1: palm tree in the background, photo of got little John uh, Titus,
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Speaker 1: Lance and David Spade all they're ready to conduct the show.
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Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be interesting. And Ashley, I know you're
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Speaker 1: excited about it airing Ashuley after talking with a couple
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Speaker 1: of people now who have been down to Paradise and
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Speaker 1: having a little more idea of what paradise look for.
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Speaker 1: Are you getting excited about this? Are you nervous that
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a letdown? Um? I am, like, I
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Speaker 1: don't really get excited until like the moment comes and
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Speaker 1: like I'm I'm watching it, so I'm sure that it
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Speaker 1: was two weeks. When it comes on, I'll be I'll
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Speaker 1: be enthralled. Yeah, Okay, Well, last couple of headlines of
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Speaker 1: the day, Bachelor host Chris Harrison has no regrets over exit.
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Speaker 1: His quote is I wish everybody the best This is
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Speaker 1: one of the first times we've heard from Chris since
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Speaker 1: his exit from the show. M It was his fiftieth
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Speaker 1: birthday last week. Um, happy birthday to Chris. He looks
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Speaker 1: great for his age fifty so young still, Um, he says.
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Speaker 1: I will say, it's been kind of nice to have
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Speaker 1: after nineteen years, my Monday's back, including last night. I
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Speaker 1: got to celebrut my birthday thanks to this beautiful woman,
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Lauren Seema, and I was with my family
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Speaker 1: and friends and it was absolutely awesome. So that's nice
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Speaker 1: to hear. He and Lauren are going on three years together.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot. That is a lot, and it's really sweet. Um.
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Speaker 1: They look like they're very very happy. Well. Final two
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Speaker 1: headlines of the week is Tashi Adams and Zach Clark
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Speaker 1: renew their wishes on one year anniversary. This was so cute.
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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, they celebrated one year of knowing each
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Speaker 1: other and if you guys remember they threw coins into
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Speaker 1: a fountain when they first met on her first night
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Speaker 1: of being the bachelorette, and when they did make that
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Speaker 1: wish a year ago, they said they did so with
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Speaker 1: the promise to tell one day each other what was
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Speaker 1: what the wish was um The quote the caption says,
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Speaker 1: at approximately this time, three d and sixty five days ago,
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Speaker 1: I met you. It's been a wild ride so far,
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Speaker 1: with our lives going a million miles an hour. But
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Speaker 1: how lucky are we to have had an amazing week
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Speaker 1: together at the place where it all started. So they
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Speaker 1: went down to Oh my gosh, what was laquinta um
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Speaker 1: together for the week, and she continues to say, and
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Speaker 1: we were able to renew our wishes one year later,
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Speaker 1: wild happy to have you buy my side clarkey one
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Speaker 1: for three. And then Zach said, I hope your wish
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Speaker 1: came true, and I hope you take a minute to
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Speaker 1: breathe and appreciate all you have done in the past
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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days since we met. You
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Speaker 1: have done more in a year than most people do
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Speaker 1: in a lifetime, like winning an MTV Movie Award, and
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Speaker 1: most importantly, tons of others the public does not get
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Speaker 1: to see, which includes showing up for the people you love,
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Speaker 1: including me. Thank you. So I would think, I think
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Speaker 1: just not going to tell us what they wish for
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Speaker 1: at that fountain a year ago between the two of them. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a lot well, uh, really sweet and really excited
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Speaker 1: to see them celebrate. Well. Final headline is a celebration
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Speaker 1: of a former UM Bachelorette contestant, Bachelor in Paradise contestant,
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Speaker 1: somebody that was on share the season with me and uh,
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Speaker 1: just one of the nicest men in the world. UM
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Speaker 1: Bachelorette's Ben Zorn marries his girlfriends Stacy or I guess
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Speaker 1: fiancee Stacy nearly two years after their engagement. Yeah, so,
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Speaker 1: Ben said. Stacy and I are so ecstatic to finally
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Speaker 1: have our wedding after delaying it a year and having
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Speaker 1: our baby boy, Logan. We looked forward to it for
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Speaker 1: so long. Everything was per victim. We were surrounded by
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Speaker 1: friends and family from all chapters of our life in
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Speaker 1: one of our favorite parts of California. It took part.
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Speaker 1: It took place at the Triple S Ranch and NAPA
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Speaker 1: and Bachelor Nations. Derek Paith and Matt Donald were present.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting. How did he and Matt Donald become friends?
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Speaker 1: Who knows, but they were and they were there to
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Speaker 1: support and that's something awesome. Congratulations to stacium Ben on
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Speaker 1: their recent nuptials. Hey, uh, that's it. For today. It
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Speaker 1: was great talk with you all. It was great breaking
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Speaker 1: down the hometowns Ashley, I'm glad uh that you're here
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Speaker 1: to speak with us. Have a great night. We cannot wait.
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Speaker 1: I tell you this to find out what you all
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Speaker 1: find out tonight about the sex of your new baby.
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