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The Ron Verb Show - Full Broadcast from Thursday, 09/24/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: And now, Ron Verb on NewsRadio 570 WKBN.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen, I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 2: if I've ever seen the UN so explosive, if you will,
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  Speaker 2: as I have just following the coverage the last few days.
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  Speaker 2: It's usually pretty dull and pretty boring and non-eventful and
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  Speaker 2: you don't pay much attention to it. Trump gave a
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  Speaker 2: speech and was really pointing the fingers. It wasn't your
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  Speaker 2: typical political speech that basically says nothing. Trump was pointing
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  Speaker 2: fingers and telling it the way it is and upsetting
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  Speaker 2: Cuba and Iran and what have you. So you had
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  Speaker 2: people getting up and walking out. The guy from Iran
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  Speaker 2: spoke yesterday. The president's there, and you had the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: delegation get up and walk out. It's like a Jerry
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  Speaker 2: Springer show at the United Nations. It's like Jerry Springer.
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  Speaker 2: And then Netanyahu today, and he probably got the most.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's really a tense situation, man. It is
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  Speaker 2: a tense situation for him, to say the least, as
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  Speaker 2: far as Netanyahu is concerned, and This whole situation. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these are some interesting times, to say the least, boys
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  Speaker 2: and girls. Very interesting times.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome. Good afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: It's 3.06 in the afternoon. It's a beautiful day. 71 degrees.
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  Speaker 2: Sun is shining. We don't have any rain, and that's
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  Speaker 2: the good news. Been out a couple of dry days
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  Speaker 2: in a row. Can you imagine that? A couple of
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  Speaker 2: dry days in a row, and it's 71 degrees. Today's Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: That means we conversate between 3 and 5 today.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll conversate.
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  Speaker 2: And then from 5 to 6, free legal advice, courtesy
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  Speaker 2: of the law firm Beatrice Kopp. 6 to 7, money
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  Speaker 2: talks with John Arnold's. And his hedge funds and the
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  Speaker 2: economy and stocks and bonds and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what's ahead on this Thursday, as you should know.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So a conversation between three and five legal show five
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  Speaker 2: to six and money talks. The financial show from six
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  Speaker 2: to seven tonight here on News Radio 570. And I
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  Speaker 2: think I think I covered it all right.
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  Speaker 3: I think I did. So what is on your minds
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  Speaker 3: here today? You're on the air. Hello.
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  Speaker 4: Donald, Donald, Donald.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a Springer show, is it not?
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  Speaker 4: No, it sure is.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when you look at.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you got people getting up and walking out for...
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  Speaker 2: For when Trump was speaking, when President of Iran was speaking,
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  Speaker 2: when not. I would say the most controversy is with Netanyahu,
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  Speaker 2: just based on what I happen to see today. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's the most controversy. And obviously there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of. He goes and he attacks the New York mayor.
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  Speaker 2: And I tell you that suddenly, suddenly following the U.N.
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  Speaker 2: is somewhat interesting for a change. Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know, you know, watching three hours or
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  Speaker 4: four hours of, you know, monotone speeches, you know, that
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  Speaker 4: you have to have somebody translate for you is not
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  Speaker 4: my not my thing. Best Saturday, I think.
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  Speaker 2: And that's usually how it's been for years.
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  Speaker 3: It's J.J. the Trumpster.
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  Speaker 2: It's been that way for so many years. It's just
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  Speaker 2: droning on and on and on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he's picking things up. At least he's making it interesting.
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  Speaker 4: So I might not agree with everything he says, but hey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is what it is, man, to say
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  Speaker 2: the least. So we shall see.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, during your call there, I had to take
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  Speaker 4: care of something. I actually had to go and see
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  Speaker 4: the doctor. You had to go see Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Vinnie Voomba?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to make my payment. And he wanted
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  Speaker 4: to schedule something. I was kind of reluctant, so I said,
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  Speaker 4: I'll call you back the next day. I said, let
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  Speaker 4: me ponder the idea whether I want to Don't twitch
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  Speaker 4: and pee myself or not. So I thought it might
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  Speaker 4: be a good idea. And my wife said that she
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  Speaker 4: heard somebody. She couldn't tell. She said somebody called me
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  Speaker 4: yesterday or something.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, your buddy Nick. You've launched a battle between
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  Speaker 3: you and Nick.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. She said it's because she said that you've
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  Speaker 4: been so nice to me. She couldn't tell you the
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  Speaker 4: word the other day. And then she said coddled. So
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to let Nick know, listen, I'd be more
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  Speaker 4: than willing to give two days of my Ron coddling
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  Speaker 4: if you'd like. I'm not giving up.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not giving up my JJ coddling.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: You've got your dad. You've got your rich. You've got many,
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  Speaker 4: many children that you have to pull to your bosom. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I just thought you'd be a little upset
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  Speaker 4: about this. I will be more than happy to give
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  Speaker 4: two of my four days.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, all I know is.
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  Speaker 2: The community just feels so bad for you because obviously
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  Speaker 2: you're now going to the laundromat every other day. And,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're walking with, like, first of all, you're
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  Speaker 2: taking this laundry.
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  Speaker 4: I put it on the back of the camel.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You're carrying all of this laundry to the laundromat. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, you're carrying all these quarters for the washers
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  Speaker 2: and dryers.
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  Speaker 3: It's unreal. Yes, just to watch it happen. Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it is.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the public is just like Clinton.
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  Speaker 4: Would say, the public feels your pain. Let me put
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  Speaker 4: it that way. Yeah, we're going to pull it up.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to consolidate, I think, with some things because
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  Speaker 4: of that. Times are, it's only if we work something out.
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  Speaker 2: So how are you and the girls getting along down
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  Speaker 2: at the laundromat?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, we're fine. We're all knitting and talking and we're
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  Speaker 4: talking about Aunt May's grandson.
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  Speaker 3: Do they have a television?
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  Speaker 6: Jamie, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Do they have a television on so that when you're
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  Speaker 2: watching your clothes spin?
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  Speaker 7: Well, no.
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  Speaker 4: What I do is I just go over, I put
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  Speaker 4: them in. I mean, I'm like, it's really a stone's
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  Speaker 4: throw away. So I go in and put them in there.
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  Speaker 4: The people know me. I put them in there and
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  Speaker 4: then I leave. I come back home. I know what
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  Speaker 4: time it'll be done. And I just go over as
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  Speaker 4: they're finishing up and put them in the dryer and
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  Speaker 4: then come back again. And so I just do a
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  Speaker 4: little rotating and sitting, just standing there because I got
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  Speaker 4: stuff I could do here. And I'll just finish up
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  Speaker 4: the grass today. So I can't drop everything because I'm
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  Speaker 4: breathing problems or something. I got to do a lot
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  Speaker 4: for the good. So, but other than that, I can
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  Speaker 4: still get some blankets done and I should be cool.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my goal now, you know, my goal is, uh,
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  Speaker 2: to bring, uh, to bring, uh, uh, Nick, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Closer to J.J.
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  Speaker 3: The Trumpster.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you've made this monumental change to say you're
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  Speaker 2: going to vote Republican if you can get $ 5, 000 because
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  Speaker 2: you need a new washer and dryer. And so you're
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  Speaker 2: willing to vote Republican. And I would think Nick would
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  Speaker 2: embrace that, your change, your stance.
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  Speaker 4: If that was going to happen, he was going to
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  Speaker 4: vote for Kamala. So he was going to put his
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  Speaker 4: vote toward Thomas. So I said to myself, in my
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  Speaker 4: head that I have him wandering around in, I have
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  Speaker 4: him in my head and I'm going, that's it. This
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  Speaker 4: is the way to do it. I have to let
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  Speaker 4: him get into my head. And then he'll say, I
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  Speaker 4: can't have him become a Trumpster.
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  Speaker 8: I'll become.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever. He'll side with the Democrats. Maybe my devious way
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking here is going to work out. But remember,
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  Speaker 4: it's slow with Savant.
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  Speaker 9: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And highly functioning ignoramus. So he's instead of the moron stuff,
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  Speaker 4: he's got to be PC. So I prefer my insults
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  Speaker 4: the way they're supposed to be said. So let him
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  Speaker 4: know to relax a little bit. He's got grandchildren.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Tell him to chill, man.
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  Speaker 3: Tell him to chill. There it is.
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  Speaker 2: J.J.
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  Speaker 3: The Trumpster from the laundromats. News Radio 5. Tell Nick
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  Speaker 3: to chill. Yes, indeed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's take a look at the stock market. It's
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  Speaker 2: all in the red today. S & P 500 is
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  Speaker 2: a little changed as traders weigh rising yields against optimism
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  Speaker 2: over a straight of Hormuz. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Why do they have optimism over that? We shall see.
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  Speaker 3: We shall see.
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  Speaker 2: Senate narrowly votes down resolution calling for end to Iran war.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: Oil prices pull back from session highs after report of
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  Speaker 2: talks for phased reopening of straight. Big business warns Trump
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  Speaker 2: against diesel export ban in joint letter. We've got a
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  Speaker 2: big problem as far as refining is concerned.
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  Speaker 3: You're on the air. Hello.
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  Speaker 9: JJ, he's finally found out. how to approach your program
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  Speaker 9: and get his point across. He finally figured it out.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and hopefully you're taking notes and lessons.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I am.
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  Speaker 9: Believe me. Believe me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, JJ's a man. He has changed his approach 100%, and.
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  Speaker 9: He's getting his point across. And I applaud him for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you should adopt it yourself and you'll be able
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  Speaker 2: to get your point across. Of course, you're the type
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  Speaker 2: of guy, I mean, you know, all people need to
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  Speaker 2: know is when we look at these people that go
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  Speaker 2: to the No Kings rally and we say, who are
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  Speaker 2: these kooks?
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  Speaker 3: That would be you.
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  Speaker 9: When you were talking about the Jerry Springer show, though,
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  Speaker 9: is that the U.N.? Yes. That's how 70% of the nation...
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  Speaker 9: views the whole administration from day one. He's the Jerry
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  Speaker 9: Springer on steroids, and he happens to be sitting in
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  Speaker 9: the Oval Office.
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  Speaker 2: So you're upset because he tells it like it is
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  Speaker 2: at the U.N. I mean, it's not a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: boring soliloquies that mean absolutely nothing like we've seen over
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  Speaker 2: the years.
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  Speaker 3: From Republicans and Democrats.
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  Speaker 9: I want to remind you of one thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: And that is, the other day, yesterday or the day before,
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  Speaker 9: there was a caller that called in And he said
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  Speaker 9: that we should kill them all. And you got very
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  Speaker 9: angry at him, and you cut him off. Now, at
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  Speaker 9: the UN, Trump was at the UN. One of his
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  Speaker 9: wonderful speeches was how he was going to annihilate the
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  Speaker 9: whole nation. And I find that, but I didn't hear
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  Speaker 9: one word come out of you as far as saying
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  Speaker 9: that that was totally wrong. totally wrong to want to
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  Speaker 9: say I'm going to annihilate a whole country. When is
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  Speaker 9: the killing going to stop?
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, you hear from me on a regular.
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  Speaker 4: What he.
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  Speaker 9: Said at the U.N. is most of it, listen, when
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  Speaker 9: Donald Trump opens his mouth, he's lying.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: That's the way I feel. I can't help it. I
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  Speaker 9: can't help it. He opens his mouth, he's lying.
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  Speaker 3: So what do you want to do now? I mean.
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  Speaker 9: I want to vote him out of office. Well, he's leaving.
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  Speaker 9: Hopefully he's leaving.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not for two years.
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  Speaker 9: I know. Well, let's hope come November we turn everything
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  Speaker 9: around and we have it so that he is basically
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  Speaker 9: hostage in that Oval Office.
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  Speaker 3: So you'll be voting, hoping the Democrats win?
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  Speaker 9: I have no other way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: And so you want to go back to those Democrat.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no. That's what you're voting for.
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  Speaker 4: I'll start with this.
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  Speaker 9: There's just children and their operations, and that is just clickbait.
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  Speaker 9: That's all. That's all that is.
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  Speaker 3: That's done.
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  Speaker 9: That's over. Everybody knows that that's not happening. We're not
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  Speaker 9: going back to anything. We're going to go forward. We're
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  Speaker 9: going to get this country to go forward.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen all the Democrat socialists that the party
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  Speaker 2: is going in the far left direction of?
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  Speaker 9: We're going to go in another direction.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't appear.
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  Speaker 9: If it's socialism, that's what it's going to be. Now,
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  Speaker 9: I never thought like this my whole life. My whole life,
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  Speaker 9: I never thought like this. Okay? But you're at a
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  Speaker 9: point in history now where you have to make a change.
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  Speaker 9: So we're going to make a change. I was a
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  Speaker 9: Republican before. I voted for the other person. I never
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  Speaker 9: ever voted straight Democrat, straight whatever, never in my whole life.
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  Speaker 5: Never?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: The best man should have that position, and that best
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  Speaker 9: man is not in that White House right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's there. He won. He's going to be there.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 9: I know he won't.
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  Speaker 4: I know. I know.
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  Speaker 9: And it baffles me to no end as to how
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  Speaker 9: that happened. It really does. I just can't believe that
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  Speaker 9: there are that many people in this country that are
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  Speaker 9: going to be bamboozled by a con man. And then
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  Speaker 9: what's it got going on with his son-in-law over there?
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  Speaker 9: He's not even looking for the government, but yet he's
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  Speaker 9: making deals with these people overseas. I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 9: And who's he got, another real estate executive with him?
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  Speaker 9: They're setting policy. You don't ever hear about Rubio. Where's Rubio?
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  Speaker 9: You don't ever hear anything about the guy. This is
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  Speaker 9: beyond laughable. It's crazy. It's insane.
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  Speaker 4: It really is.
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  Speaker 9: And how can you sit there day after day after
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  Speaker 9: day and say how great this guy is?
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  Speaker 2: Well, quite frankly, I'm a little disappointed in you in
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  Speaker 2: the following sense. Listen, I've been critical of President Trump
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  Speaker 2: with the war in Iran. I've been critical of President
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  Speaker 2: Trump with the Kennedy Center and the naming nonsense. See,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a cheerleader for Trump. I've been critical of
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  Speaker 2: those two situations and the Epstein files. I apologize.
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  Speaker 9: I apologize. Yes, you have.
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  Speaker 2: And all the Trump mega nation gets upset with me
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  Speaker 2: because I dare criticize the leader. But guess what? Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter to me if they're Republican or Democrat, it's an American.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you if I see things differently,
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  Speaker 2: and I do. I think he created a mess in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he knows how to get out of it.
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  Speaker 2: I think we got a giant economic mess as a.
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  Speaker 3: Result of it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's getting, I'll be the first to say,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's getting worse in the Ukraine, not better.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the mess in Iran is a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: And I think one of the huge problem is in
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  Speaker 2: the Ukraine, they're, They're flying these drones and destroying inside
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  Speaker 2: Russia against what Trump's wishes, incidentally. The refining capacity for
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  Speaker 2: diesel fuel, we're very dependent to a certain extent on
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  Speaker 2: Russia for diesel. So they're flying these drones and destroying
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  Speaker 2: the refining capacity.
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  Speaker 9: What do you expect the Ukrainians to do? What do
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  Speaker 9: you want them to do? They have the capability to
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  Speaker 9: defend themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 9: You're saying that because they're bombing these things in Russia
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  Speaker 9: that we should go and tell Ukraine, no, you can't
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  Speaker 9: do that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly.
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  Speaker 9: Russia has started a war that should have never happened.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly what Trump did.
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  Speaker 9: It's not just what's going on against the Ukrainians. They're
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  Speaker 9: doing what they can do to survive. That's nonsense about
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  Speaker 9: you saying that you're telling Putin or Ukraine that you
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  Speaker 9: shouldn't do that because you're making the– it's not Putin that–
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  Speaker 9: it's not them that are making the price of that
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  Speaker 9: oil go up.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I'll explain that when
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  Speaker 3: I come back. Thank you. That's Fifth Avenue. I'll be
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  Speaker 3: right back.
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  Speaker 2: Casual Carpets is veteran-owned and celebrating over 40 pounds. News, weather,
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  Speaker 2: and talk station, 570 WKBN. And Ron Verb from the
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  Speaker 2: Kingdom of Mahoning, 324. Here's the problem. When Zelensky isn't
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  Speaker 2: listening to Trump, when Trump says, we don't want you
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  Speaker 2: to be destroying the refining capacity in Russia for diesel
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  Speaker 2: because it creates a big shortage and increased prices for
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  Speaker 2: the globe, for the globe. And Zelensky totally disregards what
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  Speaker 2: Trump said. And as a result of it, you take
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  Speaker 2: a look at what's happening to diesel prices. Because I
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  Speaker 2: tried to explain this to folks before. Basically, in a nutshell,
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  Speaker 2: we haven't built any refineries in the United States since
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  Speaker 2: the 70s. So we don't have any new refineries. Our
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  Speaker 2: refineries all, as I've said to you in the past,
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  Speaker 2: need heavy crude oil. They were built and designed for
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  Speaker 2: what's heavy crude. When you hear about our energy independence
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  Speaker 2: and the oil that we get here, that we drill
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  Speaker 2: in our country, it's light crude. It's light crude oil.
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  Speaker 2: And our refineries... don't use light crude oil. It needs
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  Speaker 2: heavy crude oil, which you get from Venezuela, Canada, the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East. They were designed and built for that back
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  Speaker 2: in the 70s. We have a builder refinery for the
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  Speaker 2: longest period of time. So consequently, the light crude doesn't
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  Speaker 2: do us much good. That's why we import a lot
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of oil and export a lot.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Of our oil. Because, I mean, oil is oil, but.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: A barrel of oil, you just got to refine it
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to get gasoline and to get the chemicals and the
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: products out of it. You don't go put a barrel
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: of oil in your car as far as the gas
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: tank is concerned or the diesel tank is concerned. So
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: what Trump is arguing is we have our refining capacity,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Trump is arguing, in this country is about 98, 99 percent.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: We are at maximum capacity as far as our ability
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to refine. We don't have any area, any cushion there
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: at all. We are at full capacity. And you know
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: as well as I do, there's times when you've got
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: to go from winter fuel to summer fuel and vice versa,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: when they have to shut down for cleaning processes and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But we haven't built a new
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: refinery for such a long period of time. What would
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that be, 50-plus years? And so– Our refineries are for
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: heavy crude. We drill and we get sweet crude. Therein
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: lies the problem. And you need heavy crude for diesel.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So consequently, that's what they have. in Russia and these places.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And that's why Trump said to Zelensky, don't bomb the refineries.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And Zelensky did it anyway. And keeping in mind that
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: that goes right against Trump's wishes, saying it's going to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: create an economic problem in the world and in the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: United States. Because it's in short supply now. Then you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: go to the Iran situation, and you got some of
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the refining capabilities there being destroyed because of the war. Now,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: these aren't things that can be repaired in a week
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: or two or a month. They say, the people in
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: the know say this takes a considerable amount of time
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: to fix this stuff that they're blowing up. So since
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: we don't have any more refining capabilities to expand, since
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: we need heavy crude to do that, since you see
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: these other refinery in places like Russia and in the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Middle East getting hit, guess what happens to your gas prices,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: your diesel price or your gasoline price? What do you
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: think is going to happen? Now, the oil experts say, well,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: guess what? Guess the only country, according to the oil experts,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that have additional refining capacity, according to the oil experts,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is China. That's the only country that has a big
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: cushion where they could refine more.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: So it's really a mess.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: So when Fifth Avenue is talking about how upset he
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: is with Trump that he told Zelensky not to hit China,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: those refineries that are doing diesel.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: That's why.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Because it's a global problem as far as diesel and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: as far as the cost. And it makes the problem worse.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And Zelensky didn't listen. And Trump's got every right to say,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: we've spent a lot of money and provided you with
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of weapons. And without us, you're nothing. So
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: he's got every right to say, who are you to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: escalate this situation, make it worse.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: That's all. That's all Fifth Avenue. Don't you get it?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: You need diesel. I mean, good Lord, you're talking in
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: some cases you're getting.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Close to $ 7 a gallon for diesel. A truck gets
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: five to seven miles per gallon. It's getting ridiculous. We'll
• 22:18
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• 22:25
  Speaker 7: A man who intentionally set fire to a Toledo homeless
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: shelter earlier this year is being sentenced to serve 280
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: days in jail. Edward Belcher pleaded guilty to charges of
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: attempted aggravated arson for the April 27th blaze at the St.
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: Paul Community Center. No one was hurt in the fire.
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: Three people were left injured after a Tuesday night duplex
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: fire in Akron. A police officer is among the injured
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: and their condition has not been reported. The cause of
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: the Arch Street fire is not yet known. State lawmakers
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: in Ohio are being called back into session to vote
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: on an emergency fuel tax holiday. Both gubernatorial candidates Vivek
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: Ramaswamy and Amy Acton have suggested a pause on Ohio
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: fuel taxes in order to make prices at the pump
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: lower for residents. The Legislative Services Commission is drafting a
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: measure that would put those charges on hold for 90 days.
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  Speaker 8: I have a problem right now that I'm dealing with
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: an insurance company on a personal level. And I've had
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: the fifth person now say, we need X, Y, and Z.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: And I wrote a really stinging, nasty email, and I said,
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: I don't like how this sounds. It sounds like I'm
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: really mad. So I put it into the AI. I said,
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  Speaker 8: say this how Dave Beatrice would say it. Be acerbic,
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  Speaker 8: be direct, and tell them I'm going to sue them.
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  Speaker 5: It came out meaner than the one you drafted. It did.
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  Speaker 5: It came out meaner than the one you drafted, Ron.
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  Speaker 5: It did come out meaner. His platform knows himself better
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  Speaker 5: than me.
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  Speaker 8: Even when it gave me that, I read it over.
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: I made some edits. I added some things. I still
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: haven't sent it out, but it's taken me a half hour,
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: even with the AI, to write this email. I'm upset.
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: I had three different people from a corporate office say,
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: you only have to deal with me for a week.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: Then another guy. I'm the last guy you have to
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: deal with. Then another guy. Then an insurance adjuster who says,
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: I'm the last person you have to deal with. Send
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: me these things. I said, I've sent these twice now,
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: but I'll send them to you again. Then I get
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: now another adjuster saying, hey, I want to help out
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: on this. And I went, I'm done. I told Jimmy,
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: and Jimmy's getting copied on this email, to draft me
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: a lawsuit.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: I'm finished. I'm finished. And I was dealing with, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: don't want to say the insurance company, but I was
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: dealing with my own insurance company on my own claim,
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: and I'm reading the policy. I'm reading the policy, and
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: I go, am I reading this wrong? And then I'm
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: looking at their letter, and then I'm looking at the policy,
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: and I go.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: They're wrong.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: So I write the guy an email.
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: I said, on this section of my policy, it says
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: if the claim is over $ 55, 000, you waive the deductible.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: He goes, well, let me have someone from corporate look
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: at that. Three weeks later, I get a check for
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: the deductible. And I'm just thinking, how many people out
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: there don't take time to do what I did, to
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: read the policy, And look at their emails.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: And understand what they're reading as you do.
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: And I'm just saying, how many insurance companies are doing
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: that to people? Because they tried to do it to me.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: And I'm just like, this is amazing. Like, if I
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: didn't take the time to actually read my policy, like
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: I said, send me the policy, and then I'm looking
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: through it, and I'm looking at their letter, and I'm like,
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: something's not computing here. And they're still wrong. I mean,
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: they still owe me money, and I just don't have
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: the time to deal with them right now, but I will.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: It's been a harrowing experience for me that squirrels got
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: into my attic. My life's not been the same.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: You would have squirrels.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Squirrels?
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: Squirrels and mice. Got in through water damage from a storm.
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: That's how the insurance company wrote it up.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: And then.
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: I had the insecticide people out, and they're going, oh,
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: look at all this water damage. So I had a
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: roofer come out. And he says, well, let me see
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: what the adjuster said. He said, oh, they've already said
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: it's from storm damage. This is all from storm damage.
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: I had blue tarps all over my roof.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Do you think you're a target from the insurance companies?
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: No, but I am not happy with... How they dealt
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: with me, because I'm thinking if they try to pull
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: that off on me, what are they doing to the
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: common people out there?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: They're pulling it off on them, and they're going along
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: with it because they're not you.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: You follow me? They're taking advantage of people. Would you
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: not agree?
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: Then they shouldn't. If you pay a policy. They should
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: deal with you in good– especially your own company.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: They never do.
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: They should deal with you in good faith.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: They never do.
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm saying, but they haven't– their legal obligation is
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: to do that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: They don't care about their legal obligation.
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: That's why we love UIM and UM Clay, because it's
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: a great argument in opening that you've trusted them for
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: 30 years on the premiums, and, oh, by the way,
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: the time that you get catastrophically hurt, they don't want
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: to pay you. But David would be the worst plaintiff
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: to have in that case, because if I was defending
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: the case, I would put up– all his posts about
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: insurance companies, and I'd play that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: No, but all Dave is saying is, listen, here's what
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I pay for, and here's what my policy says, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you guys are screwing me.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: It's not even that. You can't get a hold of them.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: That's the problem.
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: I have a claim on my wife's car for nine months.
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: And I can't even– we've been through three adjusters. I'm like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: can somebody just get this car fixed, please?
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: This is the fifth adjuster on this claim now.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: You can't get a hold of them. That's the problem.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: On your house?
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: And the last adjuster I dealt with, Frank, she said,
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: I'm the last person you have to deal with. I
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: get an email today. Hey, so-and-so told me to reach
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: out to you. I'm going, nope. No, you cannot have
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: a recording for my wife. No, I'm not giving you
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: any more documents. I've been dealing with this since May.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: I've sent the documents out. You know what you're going
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: to get? You could take my wife's deposition in a lawsuit.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: That's what you can do.
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: What do you tell them when they say you're on
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: a recorded line? Because I've now adopted a new line
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: in response.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: And then they freeze. They'll say, we're so-and-so calling. We're
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: on a recorded line. I said, thank you. I'm also
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: recording you on a recorded line. And they freeze. They
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: don't know what to say. And I'm like, honestly.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: I don't care that I'm on a recorded line. I
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: hope they recorded some of my conversations with all of
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: these people. It's ridiculous. I'm dealing with this guy. Just
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: deal with me. Then someone else reaches out to me
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: from the company. No, I'm handling it now. First guy goes, no,
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: I'm handling it. Then a third guy comes in and says, well,
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: I'm over both of them.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: That's what they do. I have the same thing. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: have a claim against on my roof right now, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: they denied coverage. They said that the damage, you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: they're measuring the hail marks and the damage to my
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: shingles and my roof. So little do they know that
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: I'm just going to keep. pressing them you ever heard
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: of uh junk science yeah oh it's it's it's unbelievable i.
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: Love when they when they say when i'm adjusting a
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: claim well we had our medical expert look at it
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: and says that you know your client treated too much
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: and i was like oh so you had just someone
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: that you pay look at their bill and you made
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: a determination that they didn't need this treatment never saw
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: them never laid their hands on them and never talked
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: to my client so what's the.
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: Bottom line Honestly, I love those cases because there's nothing
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: better than those cross-examinations.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: They are my favorite.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: But what's the bottom line about insurance companies?
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: You've got to stay on top of them. Just like
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: when you're in a hospital, you've got to stay on
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: top of your care.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: But do you think the average person does all this, Dave?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Do they know you're a lawyer?
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Yes. That's what it tells me.
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: It's coming from my email. It says Dave Beatrice, licensed
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, soon to be New York.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And they treat you this way.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's coming. You would think that they would go,
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: maybe we should.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Are you going to go in the Southern District of
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: New York?
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: No, no, New York State.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: And they're treating you this way, Frank?
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: No, I just.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: They're squeegee. Yeah, they denied it. And I just said, okay,
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: that's fine. Now you're just going to get the full
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: court press.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Now what do you do after they deny it? Do
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: they just take you? Are you taking them to court then, Frank,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: or what?
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: You know, before you answer, Frank, you know what I
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: say to them? Honest to God, I say, listen, I
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: have a license to sue, and I'm willing to use it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Let me be clear. I love when anybody starts.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: That's essentially what I said to this guy. I said,
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: We're going to go back and forth a little bit,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: and then I'm just going to sue you. No, I'm
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: tired of it. You guys, it's all the same. I
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: can't wait to collect my checks. You can't wait. And
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: then anytime somebody has a claim, they don't want to
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: deal with it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: I say this to everybody, honestly. If they treated you fairly,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: if insurance companies treated you fairly, we would be in
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: a different business. But they don't.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: And they do not. They don't discriminate.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: No.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: They screw everybody.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: What I'm trying to figure out is how many John Q.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: Publix out there don't pick up their policy, don't read it,
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: and just take what the adjuster says.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: It's not fair to people because what these insurance companies
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: know is they know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: They always do.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Because probably 8 out of 10 people just walk away. Like, well,
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: they denied my coverage. What am I going to do?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Hold that thought, Frank. Hold that thought. We're at our
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: half-hour break. We'll come back with more. The Legal Show
• 32:43
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  Speaker 2: What a fascinating first half of the program on NewsRadio
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  Speaker 2: by Beatrice Kopp. And I think as I listen to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: these guys talk, I think everybody can relate to what
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: they're saying. I mean, you're hearing, you know, one of, obviously,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Frank Cassis, a great attorney, that's saying, you know, his
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: claim is denied when it comes to his roof. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: they keep denying it. You hear Dave Beatrice, obviously a
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: great attorney, and the insurance companies are denying their claim.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And the point that Dave is making is just eye-opening.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I think we're all guilty of it. None of us
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: read our policies. We just accept what they say to us.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And I think Dave is spot on. And we just
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: move on and accept it. And that's not something we
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: should be doing, apparently. We should all be reading a policy,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: as Dave did, and said, wait a minute, what you're
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: telling me It's nonsense.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Right, David?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: All right, turn his mic back on.
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: Turn your mic on.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: Thank you, Frank.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: I want to let everyone know that Frank has been
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: nominated as.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Okay, okay.
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: Never mind.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: No, never mind.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: No, I don't want to get yelled at.
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: No, you're not getting yelled at. I'm just not going
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: to say anything then.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to carry on longer.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: All right, just go ahead, please.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: No, I'm not going to do it now.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: Please proceed.
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: No, absolutely not.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Hey, Frank, what did you get nominated for?
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: I don't even know, to be honest with you.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: Well, he was nominated as Lawyer of the Year by
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: the Bar Association, but you knew that. And then he's
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: up in the Vindicator for People's Choice Awards.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Really? That's fantastic. I mean, that is absolutely fantastic.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: So the bottom line is, Frank, just so our listeners understand,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: you are going to be suing your insurance company, the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: people you pay the premiums to, for denying your claim, correct?
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's correct.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And Attorney Beatrice has been going on for a long
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: time with his insurance company to say what you guys
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: are saying is a lie. He shows it to them,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they give him his deductible back.
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and they still owe me money. And they go, well,
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: we'll give you the money when you replace the siding.
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: And I go, no, you're going to give me the money.
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: Whether I want to replace the siding or not now
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: or next year is my business.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: I hate when they do that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: And now I've got to go fight with them over that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: And Melfi has the same problem with a car problem.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: My wife's car.
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: The funny thing is I'm in trial against Liberty Mutual
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: in four weeks, and they're my carry. I always wonder, like,
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: these lawyers that we deal with all the time going against–
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: My wife got in an accident.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: If I got sued for my wife getting.
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: Into a crash because I own a car, I don't
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: think I'd be really interested to be represented on the
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: other side.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Not good?
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: They probably wouldn't try too hard for me.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I got you.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: That makes sense.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that does. It makes perfect sense.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: But I don't think there's a person out there that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: can't relate to what you guys are saying. But I
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: think we're all stunned by the fact that that's happening
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to all of you.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: And you're all lawyers.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Yep. They don't discriminate.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: You can't get them on the phone. Then they call
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: you in the middle of the workday. They know you're working.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: Well, you know that you love to. You get 9,000 recordings.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: Press 1. Press 5.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: Oh, I can't stand that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: You're talking to a robot.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: I just keep saying customer service.
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: I can't stand it when you press the wrong button.
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: Then you've got to redial and go, that was the
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: wrong button to press.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: I want a human. I just say that until I
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: get somebody.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, human, claim representative, human being.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: But Dave, you are actually speaking to in-person appraisers, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: they keep shifting you to someone else. They are truly
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: giving you the runaround.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: Here's what happened. I hired a company to do a job.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: The company then subcontracted it out, someone to do part
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: of the job. The company they subcontracted it out really
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: messed up. So the main company goes, Well, we didn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: do that. They did. And I go, no, that's not
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: how it works. You hired them. I didn't hire them. Okay?
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: So then I'm dealing with someone from the main company.
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: Then a supervisor from the main company calls me and says,
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: I'm going to be handling it now. Send me X, Y,
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: and Z. I send him X, Y, and Z. Then
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: a third guy from the company calls me and says,
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: I'm the supervisor of this part of the United States.
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: I'm going to be handling it. Can you send me X, Y,
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: and Z? I said, I already sent you it, but
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: I'll send it again. Then I get an email from
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: an insurance adjuster. Hey, Dave, I'm sorry you've had a
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: hard time, but I'm the last person you have to
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: deal with.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: They're laughing when they send you that email.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: I know that. That was one insurance company. Then today
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: I get an email from another insurance company, so I
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: know what happened. They put the subcontractor on notice. The
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: subcontractor turned it over to his insurance company, and now
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: they want to deal with me. I'm like, no. I'm done.
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: I'm done. I should have been given an offer to
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: settle already. I'm done. I'm finished. You ruined my driveway.
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: You ruined my driveway. I've instructed. Jimmy and my lawsuits
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: never seem to go.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Actually, you know what?
• 38:55
  Speaker 10: When you first told me about it, I was brainstorming,
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: and I think I'm going to bring an action.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: RC5101.
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: 60.
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: Consumer sales practices act?
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: No, that is designed to prevent and punish abuse, neglect,
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: and financial exploitation of adults 60 and older.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: It's what we call the elder abuse statute.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Adults 60 and older with broken dinghies.
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: Don't get me started, Frank.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: The elder abuse statute.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Now, seriously, Jimmy, Beatrice has a good case. Would you
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: not say on this what he's been going through here?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: It's astonishing to, I think, to our listeners that this
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: is happening to all three of you. All three of
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: you are lawyers getting jerked around by insurance companies with
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: your own policies.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: You know what the greatest thing is, though?
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: David has more cameras than Fort Knox, so nobody can
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: say it was somebody else.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: You know what's funny is when I had a guy
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: out to look at it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Can you remind those guys David's also the only one
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that had a pipe bomb?
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Can we just let it go?
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: That's one of the great ones. Oh, really?
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: If you guys are going to get on Beatrice's head.
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: And that wasn't the first time I was threatened in
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: my life. Do you understand that?
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: That's chapter two in his memoir.
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: You have to ask Frank. He was a brand new lawyer.
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: I took him into a trap house. He didn't think
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: we were going to get out of there alive.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: Oh, Ron.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: I've never heard that story.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Oh, I'll tell you. Me and Beatrice are trying a
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: murder case, right? So he's like, okay, it's a Sunday.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: It's in the winter. So we go.
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: I go, we got to track down some of these witnesses.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: So we go to a couple of taverns that, you know,
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: these people were in throughout the night and we're talking
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: and going through and so he's like, we got to
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: find this house with auntie. And I said, okay. So,
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: you know, we're on the South side and we're looking
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: for the house and we're not sure where it is. And, um,
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: so we're kind of, we're, we're kind of knocking on doors.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And, Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: That didn't bother me all that much. I was honestly
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: more worried about a stray dog coming up and biting
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: me than anything. Cause I'm like, so we're walking and,
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I think this is the house, because what
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: we did is we kind of worked backwards, and they
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: described it. So I'm like, this looks like the house.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: So we knock on the door.
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: And the answers.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: And we're like, do you know Auntie? And she's like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: I'm Auntie. And we're like, Auntie, thank you. Can we
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: talk to you? Yeah, we talked to you.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: Come on in.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: So she says, come on in. Well, now the neighbors
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: are starting to kind of gather around, and And.
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: It's very dark inside the house.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: The house was. It was like an afternoon. I don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: think it was too gloomy outside, but it was an afternoon.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: And we go in the house, and it's dark. There's
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: no lights on. And the TV's on, and her husband's
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: sitting in the chair. And we sit down on the couch,
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: and I'm on the edge of the couch, and I'm
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: looking at the door. And David, for his... Street savvy
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: as David is, sometimes he can be a little clueless.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: And he's just, Auntie, thanks for inviting us in. And
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: we're sitting there, and I'm kind of looking around at
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: my surroundings.
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: We see figures moving.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: No, you don't see anything. So we're sitting talking to her,
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: and she says, you know, baby, sit down. Make yourself comfortable.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: I'm like, thank you, I am. I'm sitting on the
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: edge of the couch.
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: Baby lawyer.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, baby lawyer. And I'm looking. And in this next room,
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: there's like this living room, sitting room, which would be
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: an archway into a dining room. And there's two couches
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: on each side of the wall. And I see the
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: couches moving. And I'm like, there's like blankets on it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I'm like, there's movement.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, my God, we're in a crack house.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's like, Frank's thinking he's Joe Pesci.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: So now I'm thinking.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: It's good fellas, Joe Pesci. That's what's in Frank's head.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: And I'm like.
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: We're really in a flop house.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Like, because, you know.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: We don't work.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: They don't know we're defense lawyers, right? I mean, they
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: don't really know what we're doing. We're not in suits.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: And honestly, you don't know. I mean, I always tell
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: people for as many people who may like you, you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: you may have acquitted somebody and the other side wasn't
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: happy about it. And David's been doing it for years.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: So we're sitting there and he is just yakking it
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: up and it's making me insane. And so I get
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: out and I'm like, I'm going to, I just need
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: to take a phone call. So, I go outside and
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: I'm literally pretending I'm on the phone. Now the neighbors
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: are all coming around. They're yelling like, auntie, don't talk
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: to them men. Don't talk to them. They're yelling at
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: the house. So I'm sitting out there and Beatrice comes
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: out and goes, what are you doing? Come back in here.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: We're talking to her. And I'm like, we are in
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: a trap house, you idiot. I'm like, we need to
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: get out of here because we're going to get rolled
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: our asses. You know, we're literally, we're sitting ducks.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, now just explain to me because what do you
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: mean a flop house?
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: So it's a place where people who, you know.
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: They come to get high.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: They come to get high and then they crash.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Right, so we're.
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: It's a trap house.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a trap house. So we're sitting in the
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: house and.
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: I'm not worried at all.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: He's oblivious.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: You weren't worried about anything. You thought we were just
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: talking to sweet old auntie.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: You were eating cookies and drinking coffee.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: The whole reason we were there is we were trying
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: to figure out in our case, if she gave the
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: defendant or not the defendant, the, the, uh, yeah, the defendant, a.
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: Weapon, no, the drugs that he was selling to the
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: other guy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: And if she saw a weapon, so we're trying to inquire.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: And I mean, it was, she, you know for all
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: intents and purposes she was a lovely lady uh... but
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: we were just we had overstayed our welcome it was
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: very clear.
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: Frank as we need to get out of here i
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: go away we're getting some good stuff here calling her
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: as a witness.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: We called her as a witness she took the fifth
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: on the stand okay a the neighbor who wanted to
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: scalp us brought her to court And C, we put
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: Kenny Katuch's life on the line when he had to
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: go serve around the subpoena.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, Kenny's subpoena stories.
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: But Kenny carries. I don't even carry.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: But the best part, Frank, is Dave's oblivious to all
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: that's going on.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Wrong completely.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: He's like visiting an older person in a nursing home.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: Listen, because we are on the radio, I can't even
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: tell you parts of this story. I mean, I'm telling
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: you right now.
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: The smell was a unique smell, too.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Unique.
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: One day long, when we're having a beer, we'll tell
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: the story.
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: It was a very unique smell.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: No whole bars version of this story.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: But Dave's oblivious to everything. It's like he's missing his grandmother.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: He's sitting there.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, if she would have said, do you want breakfast?
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: He'd have said, sure.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: You got bacon in there?
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: We've got nowhere to be.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: They're just people like me.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: Dave, this is not about that. We were in a
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: crack house.
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: I understand that, but those guys were all high.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: Did you want to do some crack? No.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: I could smell the crack. It kind of lingered.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: You were going to make Jess a widow about 15
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: minutes longer. Yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, I couldn't even. I don't even know.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Were you married?
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: I was married. I was married.
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: You were newly married.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Newly.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: Thank God I didn't have kids. So if it was over.
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: I've gone to some of the worst places. How about
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: when we were inspecting that one.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: When we went into the bar and you're like, oh,
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: everything's cool. The dude comes up and says, hey, how
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: are you? And you say, hey, Joe Smith, how are
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: you doing? And he's like, oh, yeah, I represented him.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: And the guy goes, yeah, I went to jail for
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: 10 years. I'm like, well, there's the mic drop. I
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: knew this was coming.
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: We've gone into some of those shot and beer places.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: Thank God we knew the bartender.
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we've gone in there. I mean, I remember we
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: had to go into the one place, Taboo, remember? We
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: had to go into the one bar.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: Oh, it's crazy.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: There are stories.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: But isn't that, Frank, part about being a good lawyer
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: is going and tracking stuff down?
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: I tell these young lawyers, you've got to go to
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: the crime scene. You've got to smell the smell, see
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: the sights, experience what your client was experiencing so you
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: could do effective cross-examination.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's true.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: And honestly, it's... You know, you get to, you learn
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: a lot in those moments.
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: You really do.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Not Dave.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: You have to visualize it. You have to put eyes
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: on it.
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: You have to visualize it.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: You have to put eyes on it. If you're visual,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: you have to put eyes on it. You can't rely
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: on a description. You have to put eyes on it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: Do we have any calls, Ron?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Hold on, Ron. Frank.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Before you take a call, I got another great story.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I got to hear it.
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: All right. So I'm in my office. This is 10
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: years ago or so. you know, Beatrice loves the page system.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: Frank to David's office, Frank to David's office.
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: I hate that.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: And he, and when, when I was younger, there was
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: just the, come to my office, scream independent on the
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: mood he's in. So, um, it's a, it's a Saturday afternoon,
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: I think, or it was a Saturday. He had a
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: client coming in. It was a federal client. And he
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: calls me into his office and, uh, Well, you know what?
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: I'm going to bypass this story. That's another one we'll
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: tell alone. But I'll tell you the same premise, right? Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: you can't tell. So Saturday, he's interviewing an intern, all right?
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: And she's going to come work for us. And she's
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: in her third year at law school. And he is
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: eating Taco Bell.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: For a while, you're eating Taco Bell for lunch.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: So he's got his Taco Bell in front of him.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: And he's got his tie on. And he has on
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: like a blue shirt. And he's opening the packs with
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: his teeth, and he's just firing.
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: The sauce all over his face.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: Well, he shoots the sauce all over his shirt. And
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: I look at him, and I'm like, oh, my gosh.
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: And he grabs his right hand, and he hits his
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: chest with it, and he rubs it in real quick
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: like he was going to. make it go away and
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: he smeared fire sauce all over his shirt he goes
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: okay go get her bring her in.
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: From the lobby i'm like what he goes.
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: Go get her i'm like you gotta be kidding me
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: like we're interviewing this girl for an internship she's gonna
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: think you're crazy you got fire sauce all over you
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: it's in his beard It's in his shirt.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's in his hair.
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: One time Brian and I were going. I forget where
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: we were going. We were going either a court or
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: to interview a client. We're in Campbell, Ohio, and there's
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: a drive-thru rib place. And I go through the drive-thru
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: rib place. I remember I had an older Lincoln, and
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: I got ribs. And Brian goes, what are you doing?
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: I go, I'm hungry. I'm eating lunch. And the rib sauce.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: All over him.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: Ron, you need a poncho.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: You've even been on the Maid of the Mist, Ron.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, this dude, I have never seen a guy,
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: he'll bite a rib or a chicken wing, and he
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: pulls his right hand so forcefully. out of his mouth
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: that any of the sauce, whatever is to the right
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: of him, gets hit.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you get hit with some cartilage. Grandmas, babies, colleagues.
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: It doesn't matter.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Ron can't even breathe. You're going to kill Ron. You're
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: going to kill Ron.
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Look at him. He can't even breathe. You're going to
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: kill Ron.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, though. I've got to pay
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: a compliment. Melfi did a Facebook thing of an impression
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of Brian Kopp.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: Honestly, I could do part. I could do 50 parts.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: It was great.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Ron, listen.
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: That is exactly how Brian is.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Read it to me with punctuation.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: Don't do that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: With punctuation.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: I study mannerisms.
• 51:05
  Speaker 10: Brian and I have been working this case now for
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: a long time.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: I've had two kids since it started.
• 51:10
  Speaker 10: We did all this travel for depositions and all these
• 51:13
  Speaker 10: out-of-town hearings. Honestly, I If you looked at my phone history,
• 51:17
  Speaker 10: I probably am on the phone more with him than
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: my wife. I think at one point I was with
• 51:21
  Speaker 10: him more than my wife. But I would just pick
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: up Brian's little mannerisms and cues.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: I have about 100 more.
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: That I could do, but those are some of the
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: ones that came to mind.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: At first I thought, is he talking about Beatrice? I mean,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: it was so well done. It was so well done.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And it's like the wrath.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, it was.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was really good.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it was I mean, but you guys
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: have said, frankly, I find this fascinating. I find that
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: time goes by in a blink of an eye because
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: just to know for all of our audience that all
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: three of you are lawyers and all three of you
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: are getting jerked around by your own insurance companies. It's just,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, and the lessons to learn from that, you know,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: that we learned from that. But the next thing is,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: why is this firm so good at what they do?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you guys, you can make
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: fun of them all you want, but he drags you
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: out to these places that no one in their right
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: mind would like to go and feel safe in because
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: this is how you research a case before you go
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: to court.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the Beatrice way.
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: I got to put myself. in my client's shoes. I
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: got to see what they saw. You know, you could
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: describe and look at pictures all you want. You got
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: to go to the scene because you learn so much valuable.
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: And you know who taught me that lesson was on
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: the very first jury trial I did with him was
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: Don Hanai. And he said, you look at a piece
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: of evidence, not once, not twice. You look at it.
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: You can't stand looking at it anymore. And I can't
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: tell you how many times that Frank, on a case
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: we had on a video. How many times did you
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: watch that video?
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: A hundred.
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: He caught something and it turned the whole case. It
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: was amazing that he caught it, but he caught it
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: because I drilled into his head. Look, look, look again,
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: look again, look again. I mean, and it was the
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: best cross-examination I've ever seen. I mean, it was Awesome cross-examination.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Now, with all ribbing aside, are you not, David, proud
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: of the awards.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Frank is getting?
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: Frank and Jimmy both. The only thing I'm a little
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: jealous of is I wished I had what they had
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: at their age. When I was their age, I didn't
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: have someone over me mentoring me, helping me, showing me.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Well, now wait a minute. What about he and I?
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: Because he did that for you. I don't know if
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: it was mentoring. It was more of an abusive relationship.
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: Getting books thrown at me. Getting called at 4.30 in
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: the morning. Come down to my apartment. Walking into his apartment.
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: He's got a bottle of Jack Daniels in one hand.
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: He's in his gut cheese. He's spread out, spread eagle
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: on the bed.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I go.
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: What's going on? He goes, we won this case. Okay, how?
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: Don't talk to me. I'm going to get a continuance.
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: Take the client over here and get a sperm check.
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: They go, what? You want me to trial lawyer? I
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: got to sprue feed you? Go get this client's sperm check.
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: They go, okay, I'll figure it out. That's how I
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: figure out stuff. I had to go figure out how
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: to get the guy's sperm checked.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, I didn't know.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: We were going here tonight, Ron. What was the reason
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: for that? I remember that years ago, wasn't it? That
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: he was fixed or something like that? That he couldn't
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: have got her pregnant?
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: It is the wildest story. I can't tell you the
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: stuff he put me through. He's abusive to me.
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: Well, what was the purpose of getting his sperm checked?
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: Because it was before DNA. DNA was just coming into fruition.
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: And how they would check... whether someone's, whether a bodily fluid.
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: Secretor.
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: There are people that are secretors and non-secretors. So from
• 55:12
  Speaker 8: bodily fluids, you could tell someone's blood type. Well, the
• 55:17
  Speaker 8: rapist was a non-secretor and our client was a non-secretor.
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: That didn't help because only 20% of the public is it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: But they're doing the rape kits. So when they do
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: a rape kit, they take a big Q-tip and they
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: do what's called a vaginal swab, and now they do
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: DNA testing on it or they'll look under a microscope.
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: In our case, they put it on a slab, and
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: the forensic scientist said, yeah, I saw eight heads and
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: pieces of spermazota under the microscope. And our guy said
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: he was fixed, and he couldn't have raped the girl.
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: That's what he said. He says, I had a vasectomy.
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: I couldn't have raped her. And I shouldn't say this,
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: but The first time I was sitting in Don's office
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: and he said that, Don pulled out a gun and
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: put it in his mouth and said, if you ever
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: tell me that again, I'm going to murder you. And
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: I'm like, okay, I'm a brand new lawyer. They didn't
• 56:10
  Speaker 8: teach me in law school what happens when an older
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: lawyer puts a gun in someone's mouth and says, if
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: you tell me that again, I'm going to shoot you.
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: God rest his soul. I'm sitting there and I'm going,
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: that was my mentoring.
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: Five days later, I bring the guy back and he goes,
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: I want to know about your vasectomy.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: He threatened him with a gun, right? He had stuck
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: a gun. He goes, no, you don't understand. You couldn't
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: have raped her if you had a vasectomy. I've been
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: telling you guys that. It was like. It was like
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: a comment. I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: You know, I am smacked to heaven.
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: And then the guy kept the receipt from 1972.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: For his vasectomy.
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: He had the receipt for his vasectomy. The typed-up receipt.
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: He said he said, hey.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: One of the most enjoyable legal shows in my 35
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: years I've just experienced.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Thank you, guys.
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: Thank you.