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Sharri | 17 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: I'm CALLI Marcus filling in for Shari. Coming up tonight
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Speaker 3: explosive allegations from anti Israel flotilla activists, and tonight I'll
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Speaker 3: reveal the counter complaint now before the AFP Pauline Hanson's
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Speaker 3: big press club moment hijacked by Get Up and David Chiraz.
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Speaker 3: Remember him, he did the stunt that made Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 3: a more sympathetic figure. I'll put that to my panel
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Speaker 3: Joe Hildebrand and Michael Kroger and a chilling alleged terror
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Speaker 3: plot targeting Trump's UFC event at the White House. Drones,
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Speaker 3: snipers and some big names on the target list. Jonathan
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Speaker 3: Kearsley joins US Live from Washington.
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Speaker 2: But first to night, there have been more.
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Speaker 3: Unconvincing claims, in my opinion, for radical flotilla activists about
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Speaker 3: the abuse they claim they suffered at the hands of
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Speaker 3: Israeli forces after sailing towards Gaza to deliver aid and
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Speaker 3: break the blockade. The Australian Federal Police are incredibly dedicating
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Speaker 3: resources to investigate these allegations, despite the fact they have
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Speaker 3: no jurisdiction over what happens in Israel.
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Speaker 2: But tonight all revealed the counter.
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Speaker 3: Complaint that's been lodged with the AFP about the activists themselves.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment, but first a warning.
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Speaker 3: As well as being in my opinion, largely implausible, some
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Speaker 3: of the details of these alleged assaults are graphic. Today,
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Speaker 3: activist Ethan Floyd told nine newspapers he will tell the
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Speaker 3: AFP he was digitally raped and beaten by Israeli soldiers
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Speaker 3: for refusing to kiss the Israeli flag the two days
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Speaker 3: he spent on an Israeli prison ship. Floyd says, I
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Speaker 3: was subjected to a full body strip search and one
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Speaker 3: of the soldiers inserted his fingers into my behind. It
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Speaker 3: was not part of a cavity search. It was penetrative
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Speaker 3: sexual assault in the view of others. Other members of
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Speaker 3: the flotilla were penetrated with penises and the tips of guns.
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Speaker 3: The first point to make is Floyd's description of his
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Speaker 3: own so called sexual assault is what would happen during
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Speaker 3: a cavity search, which by its very nature is invasive.
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Speaker 3: And secondly, let's make clear who Ethan Floyd is, and
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Speaker 3: then you can judge for yourself his credibility when it
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Speaker 3: comes to making claims against Israel. The twenty two year
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Speaker 3: old is the secretary of the New South Wales Young Greens,
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Speaker 3: who unsuccessfully ran on the far left party Senate ticket
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Speaker 3: last year. He was also a leader of the longest
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Speaker 3: running encampment of any Australian campus at the University of Sydney,
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Speaker 3: an institution that has been rocked by accusations of anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism and revelations those protests had been infiltrated by the
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Speaker 3: now banned Islamist Take group. His book To Rear Here
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Speaker 3: is Floyd giving a speech in Sydney last year spouting
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Speaker 3: the same tied old Green's propaganda lines about apartheid and genocide.
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Speaker 1: It is defending apartheid at genocide.
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Speaker 4: It is defending border walls, snipers, checkpoints, home demolitions and
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Speaker 4: military rule.
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Speaker 3: Hmmm, I don't know, do you reckon It might just
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Speaker 3: be possible this bloke went on that flotilla with an
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Speaker 3: agenda to make Israeli force his look as bad as possible.
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Speaker 3: Floyd also claims activists were brutalized, left with bruises and scratches,
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Speaker 3: and that he saw Israeli troops shoot three flotilla participants
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Speaker 3: with rubber bullets, their wounds later becoming infected with maggots. Well,
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Speaker 3: if that's the case, why have we not seen any
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Speaker 3: of the activists with these visible injuries. You'd imagine that
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Speaker 3: would be the first thing they'd want to show off
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Speaker 3: before the news cameras on their arrival home.
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Speaker 2: In their efforts to make.
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Speaker 3: Israel look as bad as possible, Floyd says, they demanded
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Speaker 3: I kissed the Israeli flag and beat me when I refused.
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Speaker 3: I received a concussion after my head was smashed into
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Speaker 3: a shipping container. Again, such a traumatic head injury would
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Speaker 3: have surely left some physical signs. Why didn't he show
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Speaker 3: these in his interview with the paper. In this same interview,
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Speaker 3: Floyd calls for Israel's ambassador to Australia, HELLL.
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Speaker 2: Newman, to be kicked out of the country.
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Speaker 3: Another flotilla activist, Julie Lamont, has made claims she was
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Speaker 3: raped by an Israeli soldier, beaten and cable tied. Lamont says,
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Speaker 3: after securing a meeting with Penny Wong on Monday, the
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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister quote definitely believes we were kidnapped, that we
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Speaker 3: were tortured and that we were imprisoned and that some
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Speaker 3: of us were raped. Excuse me, what happened to the
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Speaker 3: notion of innocent until proven guilty?
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Speaker 2: Let's not forget.
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Speaker 3: This was filmmaker Lamont's second flotilla Foray to Gaza.
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Speaker 2: She'd already tried to sail there last.
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Speaker 3: October and ended up imprisoned in Israel for six days,
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Speaker 3: where she also claimed she was quote sexually assaulted, deprived
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Speaker 3: of medication, humiliated, and subjected to physical violence while held captive,
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Speaker 3: and you're telling me she then intentionally went back for
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Speaker 3: more Conveniently. Lamont also claims, in an article she wrote
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Speaker 3: last week, quote latex gloves were worn by the perpetrators
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Speaker 3: to hide their crimes, meaning her rape claim is likely
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Speaker 3: impossible to be forensically proved convenient. So the question remains,
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Speaker 3: why on earth would Penny Wong give these notorious rabble.
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Speaker 2: Rousers an audience in the first place.
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Speaker 3: Jewish community leader Alex Ripton told the show last night
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Speaker 3: he believes it's political. Not only does Labor have one
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Speaker 3: nation hot on their tails, the Greens remain a persistent
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Speaker 3: threat to their voter base in some seats.
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Speaker 4: Look, it's not often that we feel sorry for politicians.
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Speaker 4: But actually pity Penny Wong having to sit in a
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Speaker 4: room with those people because these are put.
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Speaker 2: Into though Alex she.
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Speaker 4: Obviously received some advice that was in her interest to
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Speaker 4: do so.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not as sympathetic as Alex.
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Speaker 3: It strikes me as deeply hypocritical that this is the
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Speaker 3: same foreign minister who point blank refused to travel to
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Speaker 3: the sites where on October seven, twenty twenty three, Hamas
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Speaker 3: butchered Jewish men, women and children, including an Australian grandmother,
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Speaker 3: while on a diplomatic visit to the Middle East. These
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Speaker 3: were places where terrorists carried out now well documented rapes,
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Speaker 3: but I guess those don't count. Perhaps, though that is
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Speaker 3: what we should expect from a mean girl who was
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Speaker 3: more than happy to weaponize a then untested rape allegation
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Speaker 3: against a Coalition minister. While a Federal court later found
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Speaker 3: Britney Higgins was, on the balance of probabilities raped at
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Speaker 3: Parliament House, it also found there was no substance to
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Speaker 3: the political conspiracy. Linda Reynolds and her chief of staff,
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Speaker 3: Theonder Brown, actively covered up the assault, a hit job
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Speaker 3: that went on to destroy these two women's lives. So
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Speaker 3: Penniwong ought to be very careful about who she chooses
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Speaker 3: to believe, even if their claims are politically useful to her. Israel,
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Speaker 3: for its part, has categorically rejected these activists' accusations. Its
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Speaker 3: embassy in Canberra accused them of running an anti Israel
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Speaker 3: PR campaign, a spokesman saying to date no credible evidence
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Speaker 3: has been presented and no formal complaints have been submitted
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Speaker 3: to the embassy. There are also legitimate questions over why
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Speaker 3: our federal police are getting involved in a manner they
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Speaker 3: have no jurisdiction over, leading to sensational headlines like this
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Speaker 3: one on anti Israel blogger Michael.
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Speaker 2: West's website, A world First.
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Speaker 3: Australia will now investigate Israel, but I suppose the AFP
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Speaker 3: has formed when it comes to investigating soldiers who fight
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Speaker 3: terrorists now, though I can reveal there's been a counter
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Speaker 3: complaint with the AFP about the activists. Australian Jewish Association
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Speaker 3: Chief executive Robert Gregory has written to Commissioner Chrissy Barrett,
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Speaker 3: citing a US Department of Treasury statement in January describing
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Speaker 3: one of the main organizations behind the flotillers as quote,
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Speaker 3: a front organization for Hamas.
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Speaker 2: The same department last month sanctioned.
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Speaker 3: Four individuals associated with what it called quote the pro
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Speaker 3: Hamas Floatiller. Gregory warned the commissioner that some flow Tiller
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Speaker 3: participants may have trained by this Hamas aligned to organization.
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Speaker 2: Before sailing towards Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Quote participants, including Australian citizens, attended training sessions in bar
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Speaker 3: Barcelona prior to departure. Now, while the AGA is not
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Speaker 3: alleging any Australian participant committed an offense, mister Gregory wrote,
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Speaker 3: we respectfully request that the AFP says whether any Australian
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Speaker 3: laws may have been breached and whether further investigation is warranted.
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Speaker 3: In particular, we request consideration of whether any provisions concerning
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Speaker 3: support for association with, recruitment, by training from or financing
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Speaker 3: of terrorist organizations may be relevant. The AFP had no
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Speaker 3: comment when I ask them why they are investigating the
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Speaker 3: activists allegations and whether they'll now investigate the counterclaims.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not holding my breath now.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's first ever National Press Club address was hijacked
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Speaker 3: by left wing advocacy group Get Up Today with protesters
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Speaker 3: unfurling a banner attacking her voting record before staff quickly
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Speaker 3: ripped it down.
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Speaker 1: Organizations like the Salvos are so overwhelmed with demand they're
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Speaker 1: having to turn people away. Of the four four hundred
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Speaker 1: people surveying surveyed, nineteen percent said they'd eaten food from
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Speaker 1: a rubbish bin in the past twelve months. Thirty five
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Speaker 1: percent of parents said that children had been to feel hungry.
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Speaker 3: The National Press Club has released his statements, saying it
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Speaker 3: appears that two persons entered the club building yesterday afternoon
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Speaker 3: without permission and installed a separate drop down screen in
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Speaker 3: front of a media wall light box. David Cherraz was
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Speaker 3: seen filming the incident on his phone, and after the banner.
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Speaker 2: Had lowered, left abruptly.
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Speaker 3: We understand that is likely to form part of the
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Speaker 3: AFP investigation. Interesting David Cherraz, who's now the media lead
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Speaker 3: at Get Up Social Media, is mentioned here.
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Speaker 2: Viewers will remember him as.
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Speaker 3: The bloke a court found helped orchestrate the confected political
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Speaker 3: conspiracy about liberals covering up the rape of his now wife,
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Speaker 3: Brittany Higgins that I mentioned earlier. Both were declared bankrupt
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Speaker 3: after a court found they defamed Linda Reynolds and now
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Speaker 3: his sticky fingers appear to be all over this pathetic stunt,
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Speaker 3: which Act Police confirm tonight they are investigating alongside the AFP.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand and
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Speaker 3: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger.
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Speaker 2: Benjamin, welcome to both of you.
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Speaker 5: Great to go on.
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Speaker 3: What a big day it's been. Joe, First of all,
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Speaker 3: what did you make of this stunt today? Surely this
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Speaker 3: is an own goal for both get Up and David Shiraz.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, what are we talking about? What are we
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Speaker 5: talking about tonight? We're talking about the fact that Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 5: you know, couldn't articulate a lot of her policies or
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Speaker 5: was challenged for the first time in thirty years by
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Speaker 5: the press gallery at the National Press Club. Or are
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Speaker 5: we talking about the fact that get Up did this
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Speaker 5: stupid stunt and who was behind it? So it violates
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Speaker 5: two major rules of engagement, if you like one. It
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Speaker 5: actually distracts people from Pauline Hanson being subjected to scrutiny
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Speaker 5: and much deserve scrutiny for the first time if she
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Speaker 5: is going to be an actual major party leader or
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Speaker 5: indeed the Prime Minister of Australia one day, So we're
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Speaker 5: all talking about that instead of talking about her performance,
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Speaker 5: which was pretty shaky. I think most people would say.
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Speaker 2: Well, we will talk about hip.
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Speaker 5: We can talk about that later. And then secondly we're
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Speaker 5: talking about who done it, and again the fact that
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Speaker 5: David Schiraz is probably since recently joining Get Up, it's
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Speaker 5: most high profile member. Again, suddenly we're not talking about
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Speaker 5: even what it says on the poster, which I don't
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Speaker 5: think we've even mentioned, because it's the stunt that takes
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Speaker 5: the attention.
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Speaker 2: Not the message exactly I'm not giving them, and.
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Speaker 5: We're talking about who it is, and so that violated.
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Speaker 5: The second most important rule is that you never make
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Speaker 5: yourself a part of the story. So we've you know
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Speaker 5: Napoleon's golden rule, never distract your enemy while he's making
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Speaker 5: a mistake. They've done that. And then the second golden
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Speaker 5: rule of pr is never make yourself the story. And
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Speaker 5: they've done that. So well done, Daily, double well.
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Speaker 3: Done to Get Up and David Cherrause Michael, doesn't this
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Speaker 3: just make Pauline Handsome look even more like the unfairly
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Speaker 3: treated political outsider is that voters clearly love her for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Look, the Times politically used to say the Times suited
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Speaker 6: John Howard in lead it to the nineteen ninety six
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Speaker 6: and the Times suit Pauline Hanson now and the debate
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Speaker 6: has to be about her issues. And this was a
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Speaker 6: really dumb idea year by get up. This is a
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Speaker 6: failed stunt which is just humiliating and embarrassing. Is now
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Speaker 6: the subject of a criminal investigation. So what a disaster.
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Speaker 6: It's got a lot of sympathy for paul and Hanson.
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Speaker 6: People wanted to hear what Hanson had to say, not
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Speaker 6: David chaaz In. He's sort of nineteen eighties rock band.
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Speaker 6: And secondly, outside you had the Canberra Socialists, you had
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Speaker 6: the pro Garza left wing socialists, still twenty of them
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Speaker 6: cobbled together out there. I mean this, this stuff just
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Speaker 6: gives enormous sympathy to paul and Hanson, and you know,
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Speaker 6: continues her momentum. And as for her performance, well, you know,
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Speaker 6: I prefer not to have to say this, but you know,
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Speaker 6: let's be frank, she did incredibly well. I mean, you'd
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Speaker 6: be you'd be foolish to say otherwise. It was in
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Speaker 6: many ways a tour to force for someone who went
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Speaker 6: in there into the lions Den, and she ate most
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Speaker 6: of them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree with you, Michael. I don't think
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Speaker 2: she would shake it all.
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Speaker 3: In fact, Jo, I think she spoke brilliantly and she
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Speaker 3: handled some of the tough questions from journalists.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that One Nation's policy position
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Speaker 5: is very shaky. You can speak about that later.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: I guess their argument is they have two years to
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Speaker 3: form some of them, and they're not going to get
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Speaker 3: too big for their boots and assume that they're going
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Speaker 3: to form government anytime soon, even those people seem to
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Speaker 3: want them to. Meanwhile, Australians are revolting against public broadcasters
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Speaker 3: the ABC and SBS, the latest Sky News Pulse poll
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Speaker 3: showing fifty five percent back One Nation's plan.
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Speaker 2: This is one policy they're getting to strip taxpayer.
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Speaker 3: Funding from the ABC and force it to become a
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Speaker 3: subscription model. Pulling hands and spelled out this plan in
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Speaker 3: her press club speech, adding a spray to The Guardian's
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Speaker 3: senior correspondent for good measure.
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Speaker 1: It's your job to scrutinize my party. It's people and
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Speaker 1: it's politics. Unlike the Prime Minister I welcome it. I'm
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Speaker 1: an elected representative when I should be scrutinized. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: give you the license to pile on. The SBS will
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Speaker 1: be gone. There's no need for it anymore. The Internet
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Speaker 1: has overtaken the need for it. The ABC will still exist,
17:19
Speaker 1: but in a very different form. Taxpayers will still fund
17:22
Speaker 1: some of the ABC's operations in regional, rural and remote
17:26
Speaker 1: areas where there is a lack of commercial media, but
17:29
Speaker 1: in their cities, which are already saturated with media outlets
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Speaker 1: across the political spectrum. The AABC will only be the
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Speaker 1: subscription service only. I've never seen a person that's such
17:41
Speaker 1: a trashy journalist, you know, and what you put out
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Speaker 1: all the time. You've got this obsession with constantly trying
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Speaker 1: to pull down myself, my party or missus Reinhart. Whatever
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Speaker 1: you do, you will be banned from my answering. I'll
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Speaker 1: answer you this a question all day, but I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you now don't come near me for an interview in
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Speaker 1: the future because of twenty five of your articles. It's
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Speaker 1: always twenty eight articles, is constantly bashing one nation. You
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Speaker 1: don't research properly, you don't know you information, and you
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Speaker 1: will put out lies about me. Well, I've had enough
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Speaker 1: of that.
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Speaker 2: I mean I thought that.
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Speaker 3: And Pauline Hanson in general, as I say, was brilliant today.
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Speaker 3: She was quick on her feed, entertaining full no punches.
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Speaker 3: I mean really it was like a Donald Trump.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very trumps.
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Speaker 3: It was very trump assed, but in the best way.
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Speaker 3: And much of what she said about the media, well
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Speaker 3: I think it was well deserved.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think what we're seeing more broadly is the
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Speaker 5: rod that the left has made for its own back
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Speaker 5: the new left, the modern inner city, you know, middle
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Speaker 5: class cultural war left has just been an absolute abomination.
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Speaker 5: It has been just the most grotesque act of sort
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Speaker 5: of global self harm I think I've ever seen from
18:55
Speaker 5: a from a sort of political movement. We've become obsessed
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Speaker 5: with identa, any politics which pleases absolutely nobody except over
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Speaker 5: privileged people who are looking for reasons to be oppressed.
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Speaker 5: It's become obsessed by virtually all kinds of imagined oppressions,
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Speaker 5: obsessed by things like culturables against Israel, which has become
19:15
Speaker 5: the new sort of cause azure and filling the place
19:17
Speaker 5: of Vietnam. It makes a huge amount of noise about
19:21
Speaker 5: things that affect a tiny number of people like trans
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Speaker 5: rites for example, and politicizes what should be a pretty
19:27
Speaker 5: straightforward medical and health issue. And little wonder that working
19:33
Speaker 5: class voters are now in their majority supporting one Nation.
19:37
Speaker 5: You now have more working class voters, blue collar voters,
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Speaker 5: the voters who formed the Labor Party and who the
19:43
Speaker 5: Labor Party was formed by, are now looking at the
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Speaker 5: left Moore generally and saying, what the hell is in
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Speaker 5: this for me? And they're going to Pauline Hansen despite
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Speaker 5: the fact that One Nation is actually far more anti
19:57
Speaker 5: worker and far more anti workers.
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Speaker 2: Right that you're starting to sound like no, no.
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Speaker 5: But it's absolutely true. Pauline Hansen said again today that
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Speaker 5: she thought it was too difficult for bosses to say.
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Speaker 3: Well, she was talking about small businesses and having been
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Speaker 3: a chip.
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Speaker 2: Owner, and that is fine.
20:14
Speaker 5: She could be she can.
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Speaker 2: Their workers as well, and they employ.
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Speaker 5: Works to make the traditional working class blue collar workers
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Speaker 5: that is not then they are not small businesses and
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Speaker 5: they are still voting for One Nation even though they
20:27
Speaker 5: are against them. That is how much they have been
20:29
Speaker 5: isolated by the modern left and the left and Labor
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Speaker 5: especially needs to do everything everything possible in its power
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Speaker 5: to bring them back.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's move on to something else.
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Speaker 3: Despite Anthony Albanese's promised to Australians that they'd only need
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Speaker 3: a Medicare card, not a credit card, remember all the
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Speaker 3: times on the hustings he pulled out the old green
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Speaker 3: Medicare card.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that.
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Speaker 3: The latest Sky News poll also reveals one in five
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Speaker 3: of US are delaying medical treatment, twenty four percent of
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Speaker 3: struggling to pay medical costs and bulk billing is still
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Speaker 3: well short of where Albanize said it would be. Michael,
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Speaker 3: isn't this yet another lie from alban Esi one of
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Speaker 3: their big great promises. It sounds all well and good,
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Speaker 3: but it just doesn't stack up.
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Speaker 6: So Labour's main political trick in the last decade has
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Speaker 6: been that Malcolm turn was going to privatize Medica in
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Speaker 6: two sixteen, and that won Labor a whole lot of
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Speaker 6: seats in that election. They almost won the election. As
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Speaker 6: we know. The other cards they play are massive cats
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Speaker 6: slashing and burning by the Liberals because you know debt's
21:27
Speaker 6: too high allegedly, well we all know it's out of control,
21:30
Speaker 6: and of course Alberanizi played that card at the last
21:32
Speaker 6: election on Medicare is under threat and here's the Medicare card,
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Speaker 6: this is all we're going to need. Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 6: People watch Albanisi and then they realize the guy's just
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Speaker 6: a serial liar and a bulldost artist. I mean, so
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Speaker 6: many people, as you've just pointed out, a deferring medical treatment,
21:48
Speaker 6: a deferring dental treatment, and have got to pay. I've
21:53
Speaker 6: got to pay a co payment when they go and
21:56
Speaker 6: go to the doctor. So this whole notion that this mystery,
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Speaker 6: this mythy built that oh it's just your medicac ard
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Speaker 6: and everything's fine and dandy in Australia in the health system.
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Speaker 6: People now think this is another lie by Albanisi, and
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Speaker 6: so he's done immense damage not only to himself and
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Speaker 6: to the Labour Party, but to the body politic and Taylor.
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Speaker 6: Even though it was criticized, Taylor was absolutely right the
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Speaker 6: other night when he said, part of the coalition's problem
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Speaker 6: is that it's a pox on every major party's house, Liberal,
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Speaker 6: National and Labor because we're all lumped in together. An
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Speaker 6: Albanizi's budget which is shown to be sort of full
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Speaker 6: of liars, and he was just a liar that is
22:33
Speaker 6: supercharged Pauline Hanson's vote and you know, led people to
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Speaker 6: think the establishment they're all the same, Liberal Labor National
22:40
Speaker 6: all the same, and he's another example of it. So yeah,
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Speaker 6: it's done a lot of damage to Albanisi, but it's
22:44
Speaker 6: also done a lot of damage to the Australian body politic.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's led to people donating now close
22:50
Speaker 3: to four point four million dollars for the fire and
22:52
Speaker 3: the like campaign. Very quick response from New j I
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Speaker 3: really have about ten seconds left? Is this another lie
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Speaker 3: from Albany isni?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean I don't know. I get reheating the
23:01
Speaker 5: medicare stuff in the first place. I'd like to see
23:03
Speaker 5: the Labor Party talk about something more forward looking than
23:07
Speaker 5: rather than just recontesting the previous election. I think we
23:10
Speaker 5: need some really proper reform that benefits workers, and the
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Speaker 5: fact that we've got this instead is probably indicative.
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Speaker 2: True.
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Speaker 3: Joe Hildebrand Michael Kroger, thank you both so much for
23:20
Speaker 3: your time. Let's get more political analysis now, and joining
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Speaker 3: me is Liberal MP Tony Passon.
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Speaker 2: Tony, thanks for coming on now. Last week a story.
23:28
Speaker 3: Broke in The Australian that you had urged the Liberal
23:30
Speaker 3: Party to sit down with Pauline Hanson to identify seats
23:34
Speaker 3: in which Liberal and One Nation candidate should run so
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Speaker 3: that you won't be competing against each other instead working
23:41
Speaker 3: together to ours labor Tony, this seems like common sense.
23:45
Speaker 3: You don't want the sen to write votes splitting in
23:48
Speaker 3: those seats. But why wasn't this already the coalition's approach.
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Speaker 8: Well, I've got to say it's been regarded my comments
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Speaker 8: as highly controversial. I'm struggling to understand why some people
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Speaker 8: have interpreted them as perhaps me flying the white flag.
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Speaker 8: They must be people that don't know me, Caroline, because
24:07
Speaker 8: most people who know me know that the one thing
24:09
Speaker 8: I don't own is a white flag. But as you say,
24:12
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not engineered to fight conservatives. I don't
24:17
Speaker 8: give up time with my family, you know, give up
24:22
Speaker 8: my business, travel to Canberra and represent this electorate so
24:26
Speaker 8: that I can fight Conservatives. I'm here to get rid
24:28
Speaker 8: of the lefties, the woke rubbish that goes on and
24:33
Speaker 8: that's my focus and that needs to be our focus.
24:36
Speaker 8: And you know, quite frankly, I don't get stopped in
24:39
Speaker 8: the street with people saying to me, oh, look, I
24:42
Speaker 8: really want you to do something about one nation. People
24:45
Speaker 8: stop me in the street and say, can you get
24:47
Speaker 8: rid of this bike? Because he's lying and he's ruining
24:50
Speaker 8: the country. And that's my focus. And when I meet
24:52
Speaker 8: the small businesses worried about taxes, worry about the state
24:55
Speaker 8: of economy, that's what they're telling me. Let's get rid
24:58
Speaker 8: of this bike. Do everything you can to do that.
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Speaker 8: So those comments were in that vein and perhaps been
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Speaker 8: interpreted by some as something to govern that. That's all
25:07
Speaker 8: they were well of.
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Speaker 3: Former Liberal Party strategist Tony Barry gave his assessment of
25:12
Speaker 3: the story.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a.
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Speaker 9: Look any lead paragraph lead that starts off with, you know,
25:18
Speaker 9: Angus Taylor's numbers man and confidant Tony Passon is the
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Speaker 9: sort of story I tend to switch off, but I
25:24
Speaker 9: couldn't help but read the whole thing. My rule of
25:27
Speaker 9: thumb is, you know, if Tony Passon is the smartest
25:29
Speaker 9: man in the party room, then you're in the wrong room.
25:32
Speaker 9: And I think that sort of demonstrated that perfectly. It
25:36
Speaker 9: was a terms of surrender, not a political strategy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the white flag you're talking about. Their
25:42
Speaker 3: very harsh words, Tony, what's your response well.
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Speaker 8: It's easy for commentators like Paul Barry to sit on
25:49
Speaker 8: the sidelines this as a person who's been telling the
25:52
Speaker 8: Liberal Party and people like me, we need to lunch
25:54
Speaker 8: to the left for a very long time and look
25:56
Speaker 8: where that has gotten us. So I'll let others comment
26:00
Speaker 8: about me and my performance. I do point out that
26:05
Speaker 8: I'm a Liberal who still has a majority that sits
26:09
Speaker 8: in well into the teens. So look, I let others
26:15
Speaker 8: make the comments. I'm just making the point that my focus,
26:18
Speaker 8: understandably is to get rid of this very bad labor
26:22
Speaker 8: government and I don't think anyone would disagree with that approach.
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Speaker 3: Well, at least Tony Barry read the whole thing. This time,
26:28
Speaker 3: let's turn out to the budget's impact on self funded retirees.
26:32
Speaker 3: The government's property tax overhaul could leave older Australians, including
26:36
Speaker 3: those who may bought one investment property to fund their retirement,
26:40
Speaker 3: staring at bigger CGT bills, just as Sydney and Melbourne
26:44
Speaker 3: house prices are fullcaster For Tony, isn't this labor punishing
26:48
Speaker 3: the self funded retirees who worked hard to provide for
26:52
Speaker 3: themselves and not become a burden on the taxpayer In
26:55
Speaker 3: their retirement.
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Speaker 8: I read these stories today, Caroline and I thought to myself,
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Speaker 8: I just wish that Jim Charmers would adopt the precautionory
27:06
Speaker 8: principle for a moment, you know, I do no harm.
27:09
Speaker 8: It seems to be every single lever he pulls causes
27:13
Speaker 8: harm to everyday Australians and across the spectrum, whether it's
27:17
Speaker 8: young people who have been impacted in their ability to
27:22
Speaker 8: save a deposit that's now being taxed, or if they're
27:25
Speaker 8: rent vesting that will be taxed. But we've now got
27:28
Speaker 8: older Australians who have built up a nest deck and
27:31
Speaker 8: are stuck in this kind of impasse where they have
27:35
Speaker 8: to decide whether they sell the investment property now to
27:38
Speaker 8: avoid the CGT implications that will come into operation in
27:43
Speaker 8: July twenty seven. Will face a depressed housing market right now.
27:49
Speaker 8: I mean, this is pain that is all being caused
27:53
Speaker 8: as a consequence of decisions that Jim Charmers has made.
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Speaker 8: And I'm increasingly getting the sense that these measures, these
28:01
Speaker 8: so called tax reforms, which are nothing more than a
28:03
Speaker 8: tax grab by a government who's addicted to spending, were
28:07
Speaker 8: really thought up at the last minute because anyone who
28:10
Speaker 8: had spent any time considering their inter relationship would realize
28:14
Speaker 8: that their leavers pulling in the different direction and causing
28:18
Speaker 8: harm right across the spectrum.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't seem to be too well thought out.
28:23
Speaker 3: And they've limited the amount of time for any political
28:26
Speaker 3: scrutiny in the Senate, haven't they coming up?
28:29
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony Passon coming up?
28:31
Speaker 3: Aroun Is claiming victory in the war as Trump takes
28:35
Speaker 3: more potshots at Benjamin Nana who Jonathan Kearsley joins me
28:39
Speaker 3: from Washington with the latest and taxpayers are about to
28:42
Speaker 3: tip another three point six billion dollars into childcare wages
28:47
Speaker 3: after Labour's temporary fixed backfired.
28:50
Speaker 2: Adam Crichton joins me after the break.
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Speaker 3: Well, taxpayers are now on the hook for another three
28:59
Speaker 3: point six billion dollars in childcare wage subsidies after Labour's
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Speaker 3: supposedly temporary fixed backfired, taking the total now to seven
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Speaker 3: point two.
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Speaker 2: Billion dollars in less than four years.
29:11
Speaker 3: Joining me, now, is ipa cheap economist? To Adam Crichton, Adam,
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Speaker 3: is childcare becoming the next NDIS style budget blowout?
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Speaker 10: Do you think, well, well, it certainly is. I mean,
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Speaker 10: it's one of the fastest growings items in the budget
29:26
Speaker 10: that the total subsidies are some twenty billion dollars in
29:29
Speaker 10: rising very rapidly. But you know this, this further injection
29:32
Speaker 10: is just outrageous. It goes to the carelessness of the
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Speaker 10: government with taxpayers money. At the same time, we have
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Speaker 10: forty fifty billion dollar deficits as far as I can see,
29:41
Speaker 10: and debt going to one point to trillion.
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Speaker 5: Dollars just at the federal level.
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Speaker 10: But you know, the deeper thing, you know, the cynical
29:46
Speaker 10: thing here is the government's trying to create a large
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Speaker 10: unionized workforce that can strike at will and can hold
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Speaker 10: households to ransom. You know, there's some two hundred and
29:55
Speaker 10: ten thousand workers I think who will.
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Speaker 5: Be affected by this.
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Speaker 10: It's about it's about bribing these people to vote labor,
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Speaker 10: just as they brive university students a few years back
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Speaker 10: with the hex discount. You know, you know, it's stealing money,
30:06
Speaker 10: you know, from one group of taxpayers and giving it
30:08
Speaker 10: to another. Now, look, I understand some of these people
30:11
Speaker 10: are early paid, but there are many people who are
30:12
Speaker 10: early paid in many industries, the retail sector, the restaurant sector,
30:15
Speaker 10: but they're not getting three point six billion dollars of
30:18
Speaker 10: taxpayers money. So you know, there's just a lot of
30:20
Speaker 10: selective outrage and it's a very cynical move.
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, childcare workers, I know many of
30:25
Speaker 3: them who have helped educate my own kids.
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Speaker 2: They're very good people, a lot of them, and they
30:33
Speaker 2: deserve to be paid well.
30:34
Speaker 3: But it seems to me the government needs to maybe
30:37
Speaker 3: start looking at helping more parents, mothers in particular, be
30:40
Speaker 3: able to afford to stay home and look after their
30:43
Speaker 3: own children if they want to as well, instead of
30:46
Speaker 3: creating a system where they're sort of forced to work
30:49
Speaker 3: and be part of a double income family in order
30:52
Speaker 3: to survive and to use childcare because frankly, families can't
30:58
Speaker 3: afford to do that.
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Speaker 10: Right now, that's certainly true, there should be income splitting here.
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Speaker 10: But I think sadly the Labor Party and indeed many
31:07
Speaker 10: people on both side of politics, want both people working.
31:09
Speaker 10: They want the children in childcare so they can be
31:12
Speaker 10: exposed to crazy ideology on climate change and so forth
31:16
Speaker 10: from a very young age. That's the sad reality. And
31:19
Speaker 10: the government basically makes these people unproductive because they set
31:22
Speaker 10: these extremely punishing teacher to child ratios. Something like three
31:27
Speaker 10: or something. It's far too low and so their productivity
31:30
Speaker 10: is artificially hampered. It basically makes these people very expensive
31:33
Speaker 10: and they can't earn a market wage.
31:35
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about Barnaby Joyce, because he's now set
31:38
Speaker 3: to become one nation's treasury spokesman.
31:41
Speaker 2: He says he's qualified to do the job. Let's take
31:44
Speaker 2: a look.
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Speaker 11: I am an accountant. I've worked in both tax and
31:49
Speaker 11: cost and finance. I've worked for both small firms, medium
31:53
Speaker 11: sized firms such as banks, and also multinationals. I was
31:58
Speaker 11: a fellow of the CPA Australia. I've run my own business,
32:01
Speaker 11: which was an accountcy practice. I've run a family's business
32:04
Speaker 11: which is a rural enterprise and not a massive one,
32:07
Speaker 11: but not a small one either. And I've closed associate
32:12
Speaker 11: with some of the biggest business people in Australia and might,
32:14
Speaker 11: I say, in the world. So I think we've got
32:17
Speaker 11: a pretty good bridge may to be able to do
32:19
Speaker 11: the job.
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Speaker 3: It's like he was doing a job interview there, Adam,
32:25
Speaker 3: what do you think is he the right person? I mean,
32:27
Speaker 3: one Nation is going to have to find these sorts
32:29
Speaker 3: of people to fill these big portfolios. If it is
32:32
Speaker 3: going to be really an alternative government prospect.
32:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Look, I think he's right. I think he is very
32:39
Speaker 5: well qualified for the job.
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Speaker 10: He's been an accountant, as he said, for thirteen fourteen
32:43
Speaker 10: years before going into parliament. He's run a business just
32:45
Speaker 10: like Pauline Hanson has. I think he's probably the best
32:47
Speaker 10: pick for that job in the One Nation ranks at
32:50
Speaker 10: the moment. And you know, not only amongst that group,
32:52
Speaker 10: but if you look at the treasurers throughout Australian history,
32:55
Speaker 10: many of them have had no financial qualifications at all,
32:58
Speaker 10: and they've been very good at.
32:59
Speaker 2: The job and some bad at the job.
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Speaker 10: So I don't think that we should look so much
33:03
Speaker 10: at the qualifications. We should look at their intent and
33:05
Speaker 10: what they intend to do. And so far, from my
33:07
Speaker 10: point of view, it's only the One Nation party that
33:09
Speaker 10: seriously wants to cut spending.
33:12
Speaker 5: None of the other parties do.
33:13
Speaker 10: And so I think on that criterion, i'd say that
33:15
Speaker 10: he's the best for the job at the moment amongst
33:17
Speaker 10: the various candidates.
33:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he.
33:18
Speaker 3: Definitely has cut through people listen to what he has
33:21
Speaker 3: to say and that is very important in that role too. Adam,
33:24
Speaker 3: you wrote earlier this week for The Australian that the
33:26
Speaker 3: women's budget statement is now almost eighty pages of tax
33:30
Speaker 3: payer funded ideological spin casting women as victims while ignoring
33:35
Speaker 3: the fact young men and boys are falling behind an education, work,
33:40
Speaker 3: They've got higher suicide rates, lower life expectancy, more workplace.
33:45
Speaker 3: That's all of this is well documented.
33:47
Speaker 2: Tell us more about this.
33:50
Speaker 10: Well, look, it's just ridiculous that we have this seventy
33:52
Speaker 10: nine page document written by the Treasury. I mean, imagine
33:55
Speaker 10: being a young graduate going to the Treasury thinking that
33:56
Speaker 10: you're going to do economics. So then you're tasked with
33:58
Speaker 10: writing this nonsense document which should not be you know,
34:01
Speaker 10: which should not be in the budget. You know, you know,
34:03
Speaker 10: why not have a statement for you know, for every
34:05
Speaker 10: group you know that wants more cash, and it's fifty
34:08
Speaker 10: one percent of the population women are of course, so
34:10
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, it's it's also insulting to them to,
34:13
Speaker 10: you know, to treat them as if they're all the same.
34:15
Speaker 12: You know that.
34:16
Speaker 10: Of course, there are you know, valid problems here and there,
34:19
Speaker 10: but by and large, it's it's it's young men and
34:22
Speaker 10: boys that are struggling the most at the moment. Whether
34:24
Speaker 10: they look at their earnings, their education, their dropout rates
34:26
Speaker 10: and so forth. You know, so if any group really
34:29
Speaker 10: wants a statement, it should be that group.
34:30
Speaker 9: I believe that.
34:31
Speaker 10: Look, of course, I don't think anyone should have a
34:33
Speaker 10: special statement. The budget should be about you know, should
34:35
Speaker 10: be about economic policy and physical policy, and that's that.
34:38
Speaker 10: You know, if you just look at the basic facts
34:40
Speaker 10: I mentioned, you know, men still live four years less
34:44
Speaker 10: than women. You know, they're they're more likely to suicide,
34:46
Speaker 10: more likely to be murdered, they're more likely to be
34:48
Speaker 10: injured at work. You know, it's not all you know,
34:50
Speaker 10: it's not all fantastic being a man. There are there
34:52
Speaker 10: are lots of downsides. There's still most of the garbage collectors,
34:55
Speaker 10: most of the labor as, most of the miners. I
34:57
Speaker 10: don't see any you know, any policies in there to
34:59
Speaker 10: increase the number of women who are garbage collectors.
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Speaker 3: I have a feeling not too many women want that job.
35:04
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, Adam, but I totally get
35:07
Speaker 3: what you're saying. It is very patronizing. I don't want
35:10
Speaker 3: to be just Lumpton with a bunch of women, one
35:12
Speaker 3: budget for everyone. Adam Brighton, thank you so much for
35:15
Speaker 3: your time tonight. You always speak sense coming up. Carl
35:18
Speaker 3: Sanderlans walks away with a monster payout after his radio
35:23
Speaker 3: show imploded. Jenna Clark joins me later and an alleged
35:27
Speaker 3: White House terror plot is exposed. I'll get the latest
35:30
Speaker 3: with Jonathan Cursley live from Washington after the break.
35:38
Speaker 2: Iran is tonight claiming victory in the war.
35:41
Speaker 3: Never mind that the US and Israeli strikes killed its
35:44
Speaker 3: supreme leader and destroyed key infrastructure. See this is the
35:48
Speaker 3: problem with the US not finishing the job militarily. It
35:51
Speaker 3: leaves around the regime open to making comments like this. Meanwhile,
35:56
Speaker 3: Trump continues to throw shade at Israel.
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Speaker 12: Take a look, Without me, there would be no Israel
36:01
Speaker 12: because no other president was.
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Speaker 2: Willing to do what I did.
36:05
Speaker 3: Asky News Washington correspondent Jonathan Cursley joins me. Now at
36:09
Speaker 3: John O, thanks for your time tonight. Now, Trump says
36:12
Speaker 3: without him, there'd be no Israel, and he's made a
36:16
Speaker 3: number of disparaging comments about Benjamin Nenyahoo and Israel's military
36:22
Speaker 3: campaign in Lebanon in particular, over the past week. How
36:26
Speaker 3: are these latest remarks being received in Washington and in Israel?
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Speaker 12: This is the really interesting point, because what this is
36:36
Speaker 12: going to is a sign of the frustration President Trump
36:39
Speaker 12: has with the situation he finds himself in. We know
36:42
Speaker 12: that there's been heated at least one he did fine
36:46
Speaker 12: conversation between President Trump and beny Minette Naho. We know
36:49
Speaker 12: President Trump was frustrated that Israel, within its own rights,
36:54
Speaker 12: retaliated to a Hesbler attack just a matter of a
36:58
Speaker 12: couple of days ago. President Trump was telling reporters he
37:01
Speaker 12: could not understand why the expletive Prime Minister Nta Who
37:05
Speaker 12: would do that, because it had threatened to derail the
37:10
Speaker 12: Iran talks. It is a sign of not a breakdown
37:14
Speaker 12: in the relationship between Prime Minister Natya Who and President Trump.
37:17
Speaker 12: Both publicly are saying that they are very much still
37:21
Speaker 12: firm friends in a good relationship, but it does show
37:25
Speaker 12: signs of a fracture and the tension that this conflict
37:29
Speaker 12: essentially has brought to the surface between the two. Israel
37:34
Speaker 12: has been pushing very much a hard line that this
37:38
Speaker 12: deal has been signed by President Trump, that it would
37:40
Speaker 12: go against Israel's interest, that Israel has its own interests.
37:43
Speaker 12: Prime Minister ntna Who was pretty adamant about that. The
37:46
Speaker 12: other day that this was a deal signed by President
37:48
Speaker 12: Trump and essentially we have our own issues we want
37:51
Speaker 12: to protect, and has vowed that Israel will defend itself
37:55
Speaker 12: against any sort of attack from HESBLA. And now overatching
37:59
Speaker 12: all of this, you've got new threats from Iran saying
38:01
Speaker 12: that they will carry out a harsh response if indeed
38:04
Speaker 12: there is a response from Israel to any sort of
38:07
Speaker 12: hes Buler attack. At the same time, the Iranian regime
38:10
Speaker 12: really has to try and pull in hes Bler itself
38:13
Speaker 12: and try and keep that terror group under control. So
38:16
Speaker 12: it's difficult to see how it does that. But the
38:19
Speaker 12: Israel US alliance is long standing. It is deeply rooted.
38:23
Speaker 12: But the comments from President Trump and the frustration we've
38:26
Speaker 12: heard from him over Prime Minister Nahu over the course
38:30
Speaker 12: of the last few weeks couple of months has certainly
38:34
Speaker 12: brought to the surface here in Washington, DC and the reaction. Look,
38:40
Speaker 12: it is one where they are concerned about where things
38:43
Speaker 12: are headed. And I think that's why President Trump was
38:45
Speaker 12: trying to find an offer and a way out of
38:46
Speaker 12: this conflict.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, so much for peace. It sounds
38:50
Speaker 3: like all sides are threatening something, some action and I
38:55
Speaker 3: just I think the comments from Trump just further isolate
38:59
Speaker 3: Israel already there's so many hostile countries, including our own government.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's the last thing it needs.
39:06
Speaker 3: But let's put that aside, because there's been big news
39:09
Speaker 3: today that alleged terror plotters wanted to hit Trump's UFC
39:13
Speaker 3: Freedom two fifty event on the White House lawn with
39:16
Speaker 3: explosive drones and snipers. Court documents naming Donald Trump, jd Vance,
39:22
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, and Benjamin Nana who among the possible targets.
39:26
Speaker 3: Bibby might have been a bit tough. He wasn't even there,
39:28
Speaker 3: John O. But what more do we know about this plot?
39:32
Speaker 3: How close did they get?
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Speaker 12: Well, according to Vice President jd Vance, they weren't even
39:39
Speaker 12: in Washington, DC armed with the weapons that they had
39:42
Speaker 12: intended to use. But what he was saying, the Vice
39:46
Speaker 12: President that he's saying is what this goes to is
39:49
Speaker 12: the real heart of the concern around the dialing up
39:51
Speaker 12: of the political rehtoric. Some of you in this as
39:54
Speaker 12: yet another threat on President Trump's life. If so, that
39:58
Speaker 12: would be well the second than just a matter of
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Speaker 12: months after the White House Correspondence dinner and of course,
40:04
Speaker 12: we know the one a few years back at Butler, Pennsylvania,
40:07
Speaker 12: and the one near his golf course too. But this plot,
40:10
Speaker 12: it was allegedly involving at least five people. So far,
40:14
Speaker 12: five people have been arrested. There's been arrests across a
40:17
Speaker 12: number of states, including as far west as California. And
40:20
Speaker 12: it was one single mother, one mother who raised the
40:24
Speaker 12: alarm that seems to have brought this plot crumbling down.
40:27
Speaker 12: She went to authorities after noticing some concerns she had
40:31
Speaker 12: allegedly around her son's behavior when he was researching what
40:34
Speaker 12: he was doing. She went to the police and they
40:35
Speaker 12: uncovered essentially what was a conversation between a whole group
40:39
Speaker 12: of people about trying to identify particular spots on the
40:43
Speaker 12: ellipse where they could be that, yes, that there were.
40:46
Speaker 12: The idea behind this plot was that there would be
40:49
Speaker 12: explosive drones to go in overhead, and then there would
40:54
Speaker 12: be a second wave, according to law enforcement officials, of
40:58
Speaker 12: people storming through through the security gates armed with firearms.
41:03
Speaker 12: I was down there, Karen, on the day the UFC
41:06
Speaker 12: was taking place. There was security everywhere. The entire perimeter
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Speaker 12: had been blocked off. There were giant metal airport style
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Speaker 12: detectors everywhere you looked, and then look up to the skies,
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Speaker 12: and there were snipers on just about every roof that
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Speaker 12: surrounded the ellipse and make sure that President Trump was
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Speaker 12: kept safe for his eightieth birthday. But the FBI really
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Speaker 12: wanted to make a point of highlighting that they'd foiled
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Speaker 12: this plot, that they had managed to keep the people safe,
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Speaker 12: and that they had brought this plan to a halt.
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Speaker 12: But still, we've heard from the Vice president there's still
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Speaker 12: some concerns around the tone in this country and how
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Speaker 12: it could lead to political violence.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness for that mother for speaking up, although
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Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like they could have got very close
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Speaker 3: with all that security. Let's talk quickly now about speaking
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Speaker 3: of the Vice President. J. D. Vance's new book Communion,
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Speaker 3: which is being read in Washington less as a memoir
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Speaker 3: and more as a sort of early twenty twenty eight
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Speaker 3: run perhaps for the presidency, with the Vice President laying
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Speaker 3: out what's been called a faith driven pitch for national renewal,
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Speaker 3: warning the West has lost its moral compass and arguing
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Speaker 3: America needs a much stronger return to Christian values in
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Speaker 3: public life.
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Speaker 2: Do you see this as the clearest ligne that jd.
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Speaker 2: Vance is preparing for a run in twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: I think it's.
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Speaker 12: Certainly a signal he's thinking about it in that direction.
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Speaker 12: And he said as much publicly too, that he's got
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Speaker 12: some tough decisions to make about his own future and
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Speaker 12: his wife Usha expecting another baby very very soon indeed,
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Speaker 12: and he has said that after the Midtims in November,
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Speaker 12: he's going to go away and have a think about
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Speaker 12: what comes next for him and his family, perhaps maybe
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Speaker 12: the result of the midterms that's weighing in his mind
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Speaker 12: about what path he takes next politically. But this next book,
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Speaker 12: Get look, he's written one before. We know that because
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Speaker 12: it really sort of thrust him into the spotlight. It
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Speaker 12: was the real story of his upbringing around family and
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Speaker 12: faith and his journey from where he came from to
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Speaker 12: where essentially he was at that time, which was heading
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Speaker 12: towards the political sphere. This book is a much different tone.
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Speaker 12: It's all about losing faith and then finding it again,
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Speaker 12: and he goes to some of these in the book.
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Speaker 12: But at the same time, yet, look, he is looking
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Speaker 12: towards the idea of how he's framing the country and
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Speaker 12: right now he's put himself absolutely front and center of
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Speaker 12: this Iran deal, and I don't think that's any surprise.
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Speaker 12: He has tried to grab the bull by the reins,
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Speaker 12: if you like, and lead this one. He said the
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Speaker 12: President asked him to when he wanted to do that.
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Speaker 12: I think he will obviously try and make a move
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Speaker 12: for twenty twenty eight. But Marco Rubio is sitting waiting
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Speaker 12: in the wings, and he has sat back from this
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Speaker 12: Iran deal a little bit, and so I wonder, I
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Speaker 12: just wonder if things don't go too well with this
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Speaker 12: memorandum of understanding, whether jd Vance might have attached himself
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Speaker 12: to the wrong cart. But look, he is certainly framing
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Speaker 12: himself around the idea of and putting himself in that
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Speaker 12: possibility of having a tilt in twenty twenty eight. I think,
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Speaker 12: right now as it stands, jd Vance Marco Rubio probably
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Speaker 12: the strongest picks for the Republicans.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. It really seems to be
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Speaker 3: shaping up to be a two horse race. And I
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Speaker 3: think you're analysis on who's attaching themselves to the deal
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Speaker 3: is also going to be crucial because if it does
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Speaker 3: all fall apart, and I've talked about what I think
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Speaker 3: are the flaws in this deal, then JD Vance is
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Speaker 3: going to have to wear that. And Marco Rubio has
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Speaker 3: reportedly voiced his concerns in private meetings with Trump.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Curzly, thanks so much for your time. We could
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Speaker 2: talk all night about this. I know appreciate it. Coming up.
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Speaker 3: Kyle Sandalians walks away from ARN with more than twelve million.
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Speaker 2: Dollars in a settlement.
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Speaker 3: But what is his mystery new solo project and how
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Speaker 3: is his old employer going to contribute to that?
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Speaker 2: Jenna Clark joins me. After the break.
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Speaker 3: Well, Kyl Sanderalans has walked away from ARN with more
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Speaker 3: than twelve million dollars in cash, one point five million
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Speaker 3: in free advertising, and a new yet to be announced
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Speaker 3: solo venture where ARN still gets an almost twenty percent
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Speaker 3: cut for three years. Not about payout at all. After
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Speaker 3: the Kyl and Jackie Oh show blew up in Melbourne,
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Speaker 3: and by blown up, I mean not blown up in
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Speaker 3: the good sense, it just didn't do well at all,
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Speaker 3: was a complete failure. Joining me now is the Australian's
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Speaker 3: culture writer Jenna Clark.
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Speaker 2: Jenna, is this a win for Kyle or has a ARN.
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Speaker 3: Actually paid to get its biggest headache off the books?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you're spot on the million, multi million
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Speaker 7: dollar claim there, Caroline. Look the scenic can mean it
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Speaker 7: says that the Boys Club of FM radio is still
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Speaker 7: alive and well given the news that we have seen
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Speaker 7: this week about Kyle Sandalan's receiving that enormous payout, I
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Speaker 7: guess in response to the fact that his own massively
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Speaker 7: large contract was sort of newted when his former co host,
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Speaker 7: Jackie O Henderson decided to basically quit the show, quit
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Speaker 7: their deal and walked away. And now she has lodged
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Speaker 7: obviously acclaim with the Fair Work Commission as well. So
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Speaker 7: the weird thing is that Kyle could potentially go from,
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Speaker 7: as you say, aarm's biggest headache to probably their biggest
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Speaker 7: savior because he could potentially serve as a witness against
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Speaker 7: their still live case that involves Jackie O.
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Speaker 3: That is an interesting point that I had not thought of.
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Speaker 3: And I think that case is back in the court
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Speaker 3: tomorrow for a case management hearing, so we'll be watching
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Speaker 3: it closely.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Brooklyn Beckham has managed to turn a family feud into
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Speaker 3: adore dash at let's take.
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Speaker 1: A Look'll be wondering why I'm watching the fee for
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Speaker 1: World Cup twenty twenty six from home.
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Speaker 2: It's a long story.
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Speaker 3: Jannat quickly because we're almost out of time. Sadly, is
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Speaker 3: he just using his own family here for a brand?
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Speaker 4: Like?
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Speaker 2: How low does that get?
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Speaker 7: Yeah? Look, the apple does not fall far from the
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Speaker 7: Victoria Beckham sush Posh spice tree. The kid was commodified
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Speaker 7: in the womb. It is no surprise that he is
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Speaker 7: leaning into his Beckingham Palace routes and trying to cash
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Speaker 7: in on this family feud just to keep it alive
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Speaker 7: and well and in the press, so then everyone gets
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Speaker 7: a fair share of the deal.
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Speaker 2: Well, I am team poshenbacks all the way.
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Speaker 3: I've got to say in Jana Clark, thank you so much,
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Speaker 3: short and sweet, appreciate your time. Now, just before I
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Speaker 3: let you go, I want to let you know not
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Speaker 3: to miss tomorrow's program because I have an incredibly moving
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Speaker 3: interview with Rachel Goldberg Pollan, the mother of murdered American
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Speaker 3: Hostagehirsh Goldberg Pollo.
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Speaker 13: Love is stronger than death, and that is very powerful.
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Speaker 13: And so when I'm feeling this daily, hourly, minutely, secondly, pain,
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Speaker 13: which I'm feeling right now as I speak to you.
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Speaker 13: It feels like there's a branding iron on my back.
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Speaker 13: And on the other hand, I realize that that brand
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Speaker 13: of pain, that grief, is also an indicator of how deep,
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Speaker 13: profound and textured my love for Hersh still is.
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Speaker 3: Hirsh Pollen spent almost eleven months in her mass captivity
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Speaker 3: after being kidnapped and having his arm blown off by
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Speaker 3: her maas just a terrible story, and she is extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: It's harrowing, it's beautiful. You won't want to miss it.
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Speaker 2: And thank you.
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Speaker 3: She United Israel, Australia, United Israel, Appeal Australia for connecting
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Speaker 3: us with Rachel. But for now, that's all the time
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Speaker 3: we have tonight. I'll see you back here tomorrow eight
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Speaker 3: Now it's Pul Murray Live.
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