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Love for Dove · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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Speaker 1: This is Teddy tea Pod with Teddy and Cabin. Hi, guys,
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Speaker 1: welcome to this week's Teddy teapod. I am hosting with
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Speaker 1: my bestie Matt. Hi. Matt, Hi, this is very exciting.
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. You guys don't understand. I talked to
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Speaker 1: Matt probably more than I speak to anybody else in
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Speaker 1: my entire life. And Edwin is so grateful to Matt,
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Speaker 1: because Matt is my sounding board, he's my therapist, he's
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Speaker 1: all the things. Yes, you're one of the very few
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Speaker 1: people that I actually answer the phone for. I know,
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Speaker 1: but I can hear it in your voice sometimes that
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Speaker 1: you're dreading it. Nobody likes a phone call. Well, people
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Speaker 1: like less than a phone call is a voicemail, like
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Speaker 1: Hey it's me, Hey, it's me, call me back, really,
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Speaker 1: thank you. The worst is when you text someone and
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Speaker 1: they call you oh no, oh no. The actual worst
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Speaker 1: is when you get a text that says, hey, do
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Speaker 1: you have a sec why don't be vague? Oh my gosh. Well,
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Speaker 1: this week we are going to be talking all things hospitals,
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Speaker 1: all things maybe dove. And I wanted to bring you
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Speaker 1: on with me, Matt, because like you always make me
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Speaker 1: laugh and like see the light in every situation. We're
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Speaker 1: going to have Dove surgeon on, We're going to have
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Speaker 1: a nurse, and we're also going to have a mom
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Speaker 1: who was just expecting during COVID nineteen and had to
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Speaker 1: go into labor, and you know, we're gonna hear all
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Speaker 1: her stories. So we have so much to talk about. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: of course, um, you know, speaking of like when you
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Speaker 1: we text you, it's I can always tell them there's
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Speaker 1: something going on with you when you don't you know,
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Speaker 1: aren't responsive right away. And that's I remember when that happened,
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Speaker 1: the day that you had found out about and and
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Speaker 1: you were beating whether or not you should, you know,
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Speaker 1: go public with what's going on with Dove. So what
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Speaker 1: was the ultimate light catalyst to me to say, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna talk about it, put it
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Speaker 1: out there. You know, I had so much I had
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Speaker 1: so much anxiety because there's so many unknowns already. And
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm one of those people that once I
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Speaker 1: go on web MD, it's just a disaster because then
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Speaker 1: I go down all the different hypotheticals. But because this
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Speaker 1: wasn't like something involving me, it was something involving doub
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Speaker 1: I really just wanted to be positive and think positive
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Speaker 1: thoughts and like it was so important to me to
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Speaker 1: have that, And I really just started thinking, like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know why I want to share this. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I want to share it solely because I
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Speaker 1: want to hear other people's stories or because I want
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Speaker 1: people not to go through the same exact situation that
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Speaker 1: I did, where they weren't prepared or didn't know what
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Speaker 1: to look for, whatever it may be. But it was
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Speaker 1: a combination of the both. Like I think I truly
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Speaker 1: needed the support, Um, I didn't realize that's why I
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Speaker 1: was doing it at first, UM from other families who
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Speaker 1: have gone through this. But also I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be transparent about what's going on because
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Speaker 1: a big part of who I am is someone who
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Speaker 1: wants to be open and authentic with what's going on
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Speaker 1: in my life. And all of a sudden, if there's
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Speaker 1: just a huge shift and all of a sudden I
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Speaker 1: go dark or whatever, maybe I didn't want to feel
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Speaker 1: like I was like coming up with some alternate reason why. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I love that, especially you know right now
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Speaker 1: and using your platform to like show other mothers that
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Speaker 1: you are going through this because we kind of look
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Speaker 1: at people who have influential social media accounts and neur
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Speaker 1: On TV and for you to use your platform to
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Speaker 1: showcase something that maybe a lot of people aren't aware
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Speaker 1: of and there are other mothers going out there with
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Speaker 1: it right now, I just think it's a it's it's
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Speaker 1: really good for you to put it out there and
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Speaker 1: talk about it. Thank you, And I honestly, I'm so
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Speaker 1: excited to have after your Rata on because there are
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Speaker 1: so many questions that so many people have asked, like
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Speaker 1: whether they're going through it or not. And I think
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Speaker 1: the craziest part about when you are in a public
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Speaker 1: forum of any type is there's so much that happens
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Speaker 1: if if you go to make a mistake, like if
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Speaker 1: I were to pronounce a word wrong, or if I
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Speaker 1: were to say not exactly the right thing, people will
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Speaker 1: jump all over you. And that's another huge reason, Like
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Speaker 1: I want all of the you know, information directly from
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Speaker 1: the surgeon explaining it because I want people to have
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Speaker 1: the information correct. But I also don't want this to
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Speaker 1: become another topic like oh Teddy messed up this wording
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Speaker 1: or said this, and like because that's not what this
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Speaker 1: is about. And I hate that there can sometimes be
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Speaker 1: that that judgment when it comes to your kids and
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Speaker 1: talking about things that are going on. Because we're not doctors.
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Speaker 1: We're just doing the best that we can. I can't
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Speaker 1: even imagine. I've been avoiding saying Chris, whatever it is
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Speaker 1: this last five minutes. I don't even want to let
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Speaker 1: the doctor tell us how to pronounce it. Well, I think,
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Speaker 1: I know, I think lambdoid cranio synistosis. That being said,
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Speaker 1: I absolutely cannot pronounce Dr Hotter's title. I have tried
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Speaker 1: for the last twenty minutes. I talked to Syria about it.
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Speaker 1: I still don't have it. Um. So yeah, that's that's
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Speaker 1: really where we are with that. So we're gonna let
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Speaker 1: him give us his expert experts. I don't even know
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Speaker 1: the word, but so excited to bring him on and
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Speaker 1: then get grilling away. So you know, Deve surgery is tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: How are you feeling? Are you, you know, feeling good?
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Speaker 1: I feel like I have a lot of nerves. I'm
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Speaker 1: trying my best to stay focused on just being calm
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Speaker 1: as I possibly can for her. I mean, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of unknowns on how she's going to react from
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Speaker 1: like little things like she's normally she normally sleeps them
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Speaker 1: seven to seven and then has her first bottle at
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Speaker 1: seven UM. Tonight, I'm going to feed her at one
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Speaker 1: in the morning because she can't eat tomorrow morning because
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Speaker 1: we need to be at the hospital at five fifteen
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Speaker 1: and she's not allowed to have a bottle before her
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Speaker 1: seven am surgery. So I'm gonna try, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: a dream feeder tonight and hopes to take the edge
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Speaker 1: off tomorrow morning and then just really try to keep
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Speaker 1: her as relaxed as possible, like before it happens. But
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Speaker 1: it's like one of those things. You know, I've been
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Speaker 1: through surgery, you know, a couple of times with Slate,
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Speaker 1: and you know she's older, so she's talking you through
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Speaker 1: what's going on, what her emotions are. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: I don't really know what to expect. I mean, I've
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Speaker 1: talked to you know them a little bit, but like
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Speaker 1: I don't know in regards to the I see you
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Speaker 1: what I'm allowed to bring in regards you know, for
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Speaker 1: Dub all those types of things. So you know it's
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Speaker 1: Edwin is allowed to come with me the day of
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Speaker 1: the surgery, but then he can't stay there, so it'll
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Speaker 1: be solely me for the you know, for the six
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Speaker 1: or seven days. Um, because I'm going to have him
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Speaker 1: with the older kids. Oh man, Yeah, because all that's
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Speaker 1: a whole another dynamic, because you want to make sure,
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Speaker 1: like another big thing is like not only do I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure Dove is a percent supported, it's
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Speaker 1: like I want to make sure the big kids aren't worrying. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so like if both of us are gone, they're gonna,
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Speaker 1: you know, wonder. So I guess, you know, I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna try to do the best I can. I've packed
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Speaker 1: like a week early. I'm, you know, this type as
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Speaker 1: you could possibly be. And at this moment, I'm not emotional.
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Speaker 1: I know, once you know she goes into surgery, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to be a wreck. Yeah, but you'll you'll handle it,
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, don't stress. Well, we talk about dream
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Speaker 1: feeding real quick. Yes, if I get up at one
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Speaker 1: i am after a few rose and have a bag
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Speaker 1: of chips, is that also dream feeding? With Now, if
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Speaker 1: you're getting up and doing it yourself, it's not dream feeding.
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Speaker 1: I guess if George feeds you chip while you're sleeping,
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Speaker 1: that's a dream feed cool. I'm just gonna look into
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Speaker 1: that after Oh my gosh, Well, we don't need to
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Speaker 1: I don't think we probably need to ask Dr Erata
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Speaker 1: if chips in the middle of the night, but we
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Speaker 1: do have to ask him a lot of questions. I'm
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Speaker 1: excited to bring him off. I am so excited to
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Speaker 1: have on Dove surgeon Dr Erata. He is so incredibly
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Speaker 1: smart and has made me feel so much better about
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Speaker 1: this entire process. When I posted about what's going on
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Speaker 1: with Dove, I had an overwhelming response from either people
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Speaker 1: who have had children that have gone through something similar
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Speaker 1: or people asking for like, how do you know if
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Speaker 1: this is going on with my child? Etcetera, etcetera, what
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Speaker 1: to look for timeframes? So I would love to talk
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Speaker 1: to you about it. I also want to give you
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Speaker 1: a proper introduction, but I can't pronounce half the words
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Speaker 1: in your biou. So can you possibly tell us a
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Speaker 1: little bit about you? Yeah, so I'll give you the
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Speaker 1: the abbreviated version. So I am a cranio facial surgeon
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Speaker 1: by training. Essentially, what I do is I reconstruct children
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Speaker 1: um due to pathology or trauma or birth defects. I
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Speaker 1: work at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, where I'm the Chief
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Speaker 1: of Plastic and maximofacial Surgery there. I also happened to
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Speaker 1: be in charge of all of plastic surgery at USC
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Speaker 1: at the Keech School of Medicine of the University of
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Speaker 1: Southern California UM, so I oversee the entire enterprise of
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Speaker 1: faculty that are responsible for breast reconstruction and taking care
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Speaker 1: of patients with burns and critical care in hand injuries
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Speaker 1: as well. And then aside from that, UM, I have
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Speaker 1: to have trained as a dentist and an oral surgeon,
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Speaker 1: so that helps me UM and taking care of and
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Speaker 1: reconstructing kids. So I'm also a chair of the Department
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Speaker 1: of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery in the Dental School at
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Speaker 1: USC the Ostro School of the Industry. So UM sort
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Speaker 1: of a geek, if you will, I love that. You
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Speaker 1: know what you want a geek working on your child
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Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah, And you are going to be doing
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Speaker 1: this surgery with Dr Daniel Port And what kind of
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Speaker 1: surgeon is he? So? Dr Daniel Pors a pediatric neurosurgeon.
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Speaker 1: So UM, I spend most of my time with pediatric neurosurgeants.
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Speaker 1: Together we're working to reconstruct children, oftentimes on the brain.
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Speaker 1: And so Dr Daniel por Is is going to be
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Speaker 1: my partner and I'll be his partner in taking care
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Speaker 1: of your daughter. Well, I am really grateful for that, um.
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Speaker 1: And how would you explain lambdoid cranio synastosis to somebody?
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Speaker 1: So I think the best way to think about this,
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Speaker 1: Teddy is that kids, when they are born UM, their
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Speaker 1: brain grows so rapidly. In fact, by eighteen months, about
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Speaker 1: seventy or of the adult brain size is reached. So
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Speaker 1: in order for the brain to grow that quickly, the
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Speaker 1: bone can't grow that quickly and the bone can't stretch,
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Speaker 1: and so we have gaps in our skulls and they
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Speaker 1: are called sutures, and those sutures essentially spread apart as
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Speaker 1: the brain is growing UM and then bonus depot is
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Speaker 1: deposited slowly. There every once in a while, one of
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Speaker 1: those gaps or suitures become sticky or closed, and that's
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Speaker 1: what we call cranio synostosis. And so that's what Dove
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Speaker 1: has is that one of those sutures has closed prematurely.
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Speaker 1: When the when it closes prematurely, the brain continues to
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Speaker 1: push but now tends to push out in different areas
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Speaker 1: because it can no longer push out where that suture is.
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Speaker 1: And does that always happen in utero? We don't know
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Speaker 1: the answer to that. M We'd love to know the
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Speaker 1: answer to that. I think most of our research indicates
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Speaker 1: that it probably does occur in utero and that it
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Speaker 1: then begins to manifest in the first few months of life.
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you, as is your experience and others,
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Speaker 1: that sometimes it's not diagnosed till a little bit later
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Speaker 1: because many kids come out through the birth canal and
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Speaker 1: at birth having heads that are a little misshape, and
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Speaker 1: either because they had suction delivery or forcep delivery, or
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Speaker 1: simply because of their position in utero, And so it's
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Speaker 1: difficult sometimes to decipher what is a synostotic baby, one
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Speaker 1: in which the sutra is closed, and a baby who
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Speaker 1: simply has a little bit of a misshapen head because
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Speaker 1: of the way they were sitting, for for example, in
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Speaker 1: the pelvis. Yeah, I mean that. With Dove, we had
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Speaker 1: gone in for our three month appointment and the pediatrician
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Speaker 1: had told us, um, you know, there's a good chance
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Speaker 1: she's going to need a dock band like your son
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Speaker 1: because of torta callis UM. But if you want, you
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Speaker 1: can start on UM physical therapy right now, and that's
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Speaker 1: what we had done. So between her three month and
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Speaker 1: her four month appointment, she was doing physical therapy. And
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Speaker 1: then in her four month appointment, immediately she was like,
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Speaker 1: before we have you go in to get the doc band,
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Speaker 1: I actually want you to go to the neurosurgeons. But
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Speaker 1: she hadn't said why, and UM, you know, it was
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Speaker 1: a blessing because what ended up happening was they did
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Speaker 1: the CT scan, as you know, when we found out
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Speaker 1: what was happening. UM. But I had asked her, I said,
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Speaker 1: how many kids have you seen? Like? Because I was
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Speaker 1: emotional afterwards, like I was like, why didn't you warn
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Speaker 1: me before I went in? She's like, because I wasn't sure,
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Speaker 1: but I had to, you know, have you followed the
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Speaker 1: proper protocols? And I didn't want to just send you
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Speaker 1: the dock band place and you know, and I said, well,
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Speaker 1: how many had you ever seen? And she said none? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So how common? Is this? Not common? So UM for synostosis,
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Speaker 1: So there are different gaps with different names on the skull.
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Speaker 1: There's the sagital suture, the corona, de lem doidal, the topic,
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Speaker 1: the squamosal, and of all of those, the rarest actually
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Speaker 1: um is the lamb oidal synostosis. So a typical synostosis
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Speaker 1: case is about one in every um lambdoid because it's
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Speaker 1: the rarest is about one in every ten thousand births. UM.
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Speaker 1: So you could definitely, as a pediatrician, UM go through
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Speaker 1: your practice existence and likely not see any of these,
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Speaker 1: or perhaps maybe see one or two, depending on the
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Speaker 1: volume of your practice and the diversity of it. So
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Speaker 1: it's it's a fairly rare entity. How is there any
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Speaker 1: outward like sign that parents could look for or is
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Speaker 1: it only diagnosed being like a CT scan? And so
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Speaker 1: how if that's only you know, diagnosed through a CT scan,
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Speaker 1: how does it how do you know that your child
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Speaker 1: even has it to begin with? Like, what what is
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Speaker 1: the deciding factor to send a child in for a
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Speaker 1: scan to look for it? You know, great question? And
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Speaker 1: Um he had mentioned that, Um, there can be tort callus,
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Speaker 1: which is a tightening of one side or of the
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Speaker 1: neck muscle. UM. And when babies have that, which is
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Speaker 1: fairly common, they can sleep only on one side preferably
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Speaker 1: because they sleep on one side and their skulls are
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Speaker 1: relatively soft. Over time, their skull can flatten out and
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Speaker 1: that's something called position or deformational plagiosephily. Now that does
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Speaker 1: not require any surgery, and we treat that either with
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Speaker 1: taking care of the torto cause with physical therapy UM,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes will deploy a helmet UM if the parents
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Speaker 1: want to help shape the head, because the brain pushes
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Speaker 1: out in the helmet helps to shape the head. So
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Speaker 1: it's really hard I think for pediatricians and certainly for
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Speaker 1: parents to decipher between something that's position or deformational plagiocephily
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Speaker 1: UM and something that is is pretty rare, which is
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Speaker 1: craneous synostosis. And that's where I come in UM, and
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Speaker 1: many pediatricians will send these patients to me. I will
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Speaker 1: do about one or two of these operations a week UM,
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Speaker 1: and we're winning the busiest or I should say I'm
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Speaker 1: probably one of the busier cranio facial surgeons in the country. UM.
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Speaker 1: So that's you know that that that tells you a
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Speaker 1: little bit about how rare this actually is and why
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Speaker 1: does it. It's something that people keep asking that I
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Speaker 1: don't I definitely don't know the answer to. I know
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Speaker 1: that when you guys are going to do on dubb,
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Speaker 1: she's going to have the zigzag incision. Why is it
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Speaker 1: going to be that versus the endoscopic treatment. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: another great question, UM. The earlier that we diagnosed depending
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Speaker 1: on the surgeons, first of all, because surgeons at different
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Speaker 1: preferences and different comfort zones with different techniques. UM. And
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Speaker 1: some surgeons believe soundly that the endoscopic approaches the best
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Speaker 1: for some synostosis, or in fact, for all synostosis. And
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Speaker 1: there are other surgeons such as myself that believe the
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Speaker 1: endoscopic approach has its place, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: utilize it for every synoster out of case. One thing
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Speaker 1: that I think all surgeons could probably agree on is
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Speaker 1: if you don't have the child when they're young, meaning
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Speaker 1: two or three months, it becomes a lot harder for
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Speaker 1: the endoscopic approach to be effective because again, you are
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Speaker 1: reliant on that exponential growth of the brain to shape
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Speaker 1: the head. So UM, in does case, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: shape the head. So that's we're gonna We're gonna take
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Speaker 1: some pieces apart like a jigsaw pustle, and put them
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Speaker 1: back together in a way that gives us a natural
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Speaker 1: shape that she should have. UM, And that's something that
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Speaker 1: we do when they're a little bit older. But when
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Speaker 1: they are two or three or four months, they then
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Speaker 1: become candidates to have that sticky suiture taken out and
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Speaker 1: then put a helmet on them and have the brain
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Speaker 1: shape the head. So I know that doub will end
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Speaker 1: up having to have the helmet as well afterwards. UM.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that that babies, regardless of the type
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Speaker 1: of surgery, do you think they remember any of it? No?
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Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, that's you know, that's that's a
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Speaker 1: much more difficult question to answer, UM. But I think
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Speaker 1: that most of us on this call probably don't remember
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Speaker 1: much before the age of five years old. Um. Do
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Speaker 1: the experiences that we have before we're five affect us?
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Speaker 1: And I think our assumptions, at least in a pediatric
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Speaker 1: atmosphere are to some degree, yes. And that's why in
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Speaker 1: most children's hospitals, certainly at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, UM,
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Speaker 1: the babies that we operate on don't get poked or prodded.
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Speaker 1: And same with Cedars Sinai Medical Center where this procedure
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Speaker 1: is going to be done. The kids actually don't get
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Speaker 1: any pain or don't have any procedures that are painful
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Speaker 1: prior to them going to sleep in the operating So
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Speaker 1: can you walk me through that process? Because I know
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Speaker 1: that I'm arriving at five fift with Dove. She can't
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Speaker 1: eat before one in the morning. But what will it
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Speaker 1: look like once we get there? Because I know this
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Speaker 1: would affect anybody, even if their child isn't having this
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Speaker 1: type of surgery, but just going into surgery at this age. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: to totally understand. Um, well, first of all, the younger
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Speaker 1: the child, and certainly this is an infant. We tried
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Speaker 1: to do those take care of those babies and operate
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Speaker 1: on them early in the morning because they don't understand.
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Speaker 1: If you say we're not going to give you anything
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Speaker 1: to eat or drink, babies don't understand that, and that
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Speaker 1: would be a horrible afternoon waiting if you you were
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Speaker 1: trying to do an operation on a kid in the afternoon. Um,
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Speaker 1: So those kids operated on get operated on very early
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Speaker 1: in the morning because of that. Obviously it's for most parents,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a challenging evening before just fraught with um.
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Speaker 1: The tip point's idea that any of us parents would
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Speaker 1: feel if our our child's were not undergo an operational
19:45
Speaker 1: and UM, so I would say you show up at
19:48
Speaker 1: that the hospital, UM, you check in, UM, there's generally
19:52
Speaker 1: an examination of the baby either buy a nurse practitioner
19:56
Speaker 1: and UM and and it's caesiologists together to verify the
20:00
Speaker 1: child is not sick, hasn't gotten sick in the past
20:02
Speaker 1: few days, and is a good candidate on this morning
20:05
Speaker 1: for surgery. Sometimes kids will come in and they'll have
20:08
Speaker 1: fevers on the day of surgery, and this is still
20:11
Speaker 1: considered a semi elective surgery, so it's a surgery that
20:13
Speaker 1: would then get delayed. UM. So that's the first process
20:17
Speaker 1: that you go through, is to make sure that the
20:19
Speaker 1: baby is healthy and doing well. UM. And once you're
20:23
Speaker 1: checked in, then obviously the nice thing is that even
20:26
Speaker 1: in this COVID environment, you know you're with the child
20:30
Speaker 1: UM and UM. And then at some point then we
20:33
Speaker 1: usually will give the baby a little juice UM, a
20:37
Speaker 1: little medicine that will make them relaxed and actually make
20:40
Speaker 1: them forget so that they don't forget the trip from
20:43
Speaker 1: your arms UM to the operator. So the last thing
20:47
Speaker 1: that they will remember is being with you, and the
20:51
Speaker 1: first thing that they will remember is being with you,
20:54
Speaker 1: because they will wake up and you will be by
20:57
Speaker 1: the bedside and perhaps even holding her sore. So when
21:00
Speaker 1: our minds, that's how we can best take care of
21:01
Speaker 1: these kids is to make sure that they feel like
21:03
Speaker 1: they're with mom or dad um all the time. But
21:07
Speaker 1: what that medication, like I said, does is it makes
21:09
Speaker 1: you forget. And so we take the babies back into
21:11
Speaker 1: the operating room and that point UM, we allow them
21:14
Speaker 1: to breathe through usually a scented mask UM, and that
21:18
Speaker 1: allows them to fall asleep. So again, no i VS.
21:21
Speaker 1: If if you were having a surgery, we would say
21:23
Speaker 1: to you, I'm gonna put an IVY in your arm.
21:25
Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt a little bit, but you're an adult
21:27
Speaker 1: and you would understand that. And kids don't UM. So
21:30
Speaker 1: they fall asleep. Once are sleep, then we put the
21:32
Speaker 1: IVES in and then after the i VS go in,
21:35
Speaker 1: then we put a breathing too, which so we can
21:37
Speaker 1: control their breathing throughout the procedure. And sorry, what exactly
21:44
Speaker 1: do you think that UM recovery looks like? That's actually
21:48
Speaker 1: been one of the biggest things, like from from the
21:51
Speaker 1: support side, from other parents who have gone through similar surgeries.
21:54
Speaker 1: Is they're like, listen, we're warning you, like it is
21:57
Speaker 1: going to be hard when she comes out, when you
21:59
Speaker 1: first her, and that you know it's it's harder on
22:03
Speaker 1: the parent than it is on the baby, but like
22:05
Speaker 1: it's going to be a shock for you. And so
22:07
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why there's you know, I'm kind
22:10
Speaker 1: of gone down the rabbit hole on that, but I
22:12
Speaker 1: was just curious. Yeah, I mean there are a lot
22:15
Speaker 1: of rabbit holes on the internet, um and so UM.
22:19
Speaker 1: I would say that for some kids, that's true if
22:21
Speaker 1: you are operating, if we have a suitor in the
22:24
Speaker 1: front of the head or the forehead that's closed, and
22:27
Speaker 1: most certainly they swell up and their eyes swell shut.
22:31
Speaker 1: But for lamb doidal synostosis, because it's it's involves the
22:35
Speaker 1: suitures or the gaps on the back of the head, um,
22:38
Speaker 1: that's generally not the case. So I would say that
22:41
Speaker 1: I think in comparison, um, you know, doubile do relatively well.
22:46
Speaker 1: There's definitely peak swelling on day two. That's true for
22:48
Speaker 1: any baby or any human. Peak swelling. That's what you say, Yes,
22:52
Speaker 1: keep swelling on day two and then it will start
22:56
Speaker 1: to go down from there over the next few weeks.
23:00
Speaker 1: Is there any kind of scarring to anticipate and boil
23:04
Speaker 1: it affect like any kind of hair growth or or
23:06
Speaker 1: the hairline at all. Yeah, another good question. Um. The
23:10
Speaker 1: incision that we make is from the top of one
23:12
Speaker 1: ear to the top of the other ear, and it
23:15
Speaker 1: is designed in a zig zag fashion. And the reason
23:18
Speaker 1: why it's designed is a zig zag is the hair
23:21
Speaker 1: on the sides of our head grows down, so the
23:24
Speaker 1: more horizontalist scar is, the more the hair will cover
23:27
Speaker 1: it up. Um. As the child is growing, and particularly
23:30
Speaker 1: with girls, the scar is rarely visible. But in direct
23:33
Speaker 1: answer to your question, wherever there is scar, hair does
23:37
Speaker 1: not grow within the scar itself, so there will be
23:39
Speaker 1: a few millimeters where there's not any hair in it.
23:42
Speaker 1: And if if that were real concerned, there are some
23:45
Speaker 1: patients that either get hair transplant into scars or sometimes
23:49
Speaker 1: they get a tattooed dark if they have darker hair.
23:52
Speaker 1: But for the most part it's not visible and nobody
23:54
Speaker 1: does anything about. And what if somebody were too opt
23:58
Speaker 1: to not have the surgery done, Well, we don't. That's
24:02
Speaker 1: a question that we don't have a lot of great
24:05
Speaker 1: answers too, And you and I have talked about this before,
24:08
Speaker 1: and in order for us to really so, we do
24:10
Speaker 1: this operation for two reasons. One reason is we we're
24:15
Speaker 1: afraid not to do the operation, meaning we're we're concerned
24:18
Speaker 1: that if we don't do the operation, that there's a
24:21
Speaker 1: possibility that there could be pressure on the brain and
24:24
Speaker 1: that could in turn affect the development of the brain. Now,
24:28
Speaker 1: of course, we don't have solid proof of that, because
24:30
Speaker 1: for us to have solid proof, we will have to
24:32
Speaker 1: have had twins, both of them we know had the
24:35
Speaker 1: same level of intelligence um both head synastosis, and then
24:39
Speaker 1: operate on one, not operating on the other, and then
24:41
Speaker 1: new developmental testing throughout their life. And of course there's
24:44
Speaker 1: no parent that would ever consent to that, and not
24:46
Speaker 1: only that, but you would have to repeat that same
24:48
Speaker 1: thing probably a hundred times for the study to be valid.
24:53
Speaker 1: But we do know that when there's pressure on the
24:54
Speaker 1: brain due to trauma and other things, that that can
24:57
Speaker 1: affect the brain adversely, and so we grappily from that
25:01
Speaker 1: and say we probably should release any possible pressure on
25:05
Speaker 1: the brain so that development is unhindered. The second reason
25:08
Speaker 1: that we do the operation is these kids often will
25:11
Speaker 1: look funny or look different if we don't do the operation,
25:15
Speaker 1: and that we do know definitely affects their development. Most
25:18
Speaker 1: of us have had some experience sometime within in our
25:20
Speaker 1: childhood or friends or our peers where there was something
25:24
Speaker 1: about them physically that made them stand out and made
25:27
Speaker 1: them the focus of some teasing. So we do know
25:30
Speaker 1: that if kids, if their heads are not shaped reasonably
25:33
Speaker 1: symmetrically UM, that that that can draw attention, unwanted attention.
25:38
Speaker 1: And for a parent who maybe their child has been
25:42
Speaker 1: diagnosed with UM toward to call us or positional I'm
25:47
Speaker 1: going to say the word wrong, but UM. And they're
25:52
Speaker 1: curious if there's a chance that it's something else, what
25:56
Speaker 1: do you recommend they do? Because I do know that
25:58
Speaker 1: that I was told you know, you're actually lucky you
26:00
Speaker 1: didn't go right to the doc band because that could
26:04
Speaker 1: have done some harm if you had immediately put her
26:07
Speaker 1: in the helmet. And because then all of a sudden,
26:11
Speaker 1: you know you're doing you're shaping her head in a
26:15
Speaker 1: way that couldn't actually be fixed because she needed the surgery.
26:18
Speaker 1: So how do people know what to do? Or do
26:21
Speaker 1: you ask for a CT scan or no, I don't
26:25
Speaker 1: think you asked for a CT scan. I think a
26:28
Speaker 1: CT scan has to be ordered with prudence because there's
26:30
Speaker 1: radiation involved in Sometimes the kids can't hold still, so
26:34
Speaker 1: there's sometime some level of anesthesia for babies that need
26:37
Speaker 1: to be administered for kids to to be able to
26:40
Speaker 1: undergo a CT scan UM. And I also helmet companies
26:45
Speaker 1: are are excellent UM at what they are designed to do,
26:50
Speaker 1: which is to help shape the head, but usually under
26:52
Speaker 1: the direction of a physician. So my advice would be
26:55
Speaker 1: if you're concerned about UM an abnormal shape on your
26:59
Speaker 1: child head, that your first stop is going to be
27:01
Speaker 1: your pediatrician always UM. Pediatricians are generally fairly adept at
27:06
Speaker 1: having seeing different types of shaped heads UM and for
27:11
Speaker 1: the most part they can tell which of those require
27:14
Speaker 1: or which of those would be amenable to helmet therapy.
27:18
Speaker 1: And I think pediatricians, if they're not confident UM, then
27:22
Speaker 1: they would refer them to somebody like myself or Dr
27:25
Speaker 1: Daniel Poor, who are a cranio facial plastic surgeon or
27:29
Speaker 1: a neurosurgeon. Those are the two experts that deal with us.
27:33
Speaker 1: And then if you had one piece of advice for
27:36
Speaker 1: parents with kids going into surgery, during this time, any
27:40
Speaker 1: any type of surgery, what would it be, you know,
27:44
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's as much advice as it
27:47
Speaker 1: is UM. A comment to mothers in particular that UM.
27:53
Speaker 1: I often will say to moms, UM that it's it's
27:57
Speaker 1: this is nothing that you did, UM. So this happens
28:01
Speaker 1: by chance, UM. And I do research having to do
28:04
Speaker 1: with the molecular causes of cranious synostosis, which we're learning
28:08
Speaker 1: more every year, but still don't have the exact answers.
28:12
Speaker 1: I do know that mothers, having taken care of kids
28:15
Speaker 1: for for many many years, that mothers can sometimes carry
28:20
Speaker 1: guilt around that they don't acknowledge themselves. And I think
28:23
Speaker 1: it's important to let them know this is a sporadic entity, UM.
28:27
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a cup of coffee they had in
28:29
Speaker 1: the second trimester or a bump against the bed that
28:32
Speaker 1: they had when they were in the first trimester. UM.
28:35
Speaker 1: And outside of that, they just need to trust their
28:37
Speaker 1: the surgeons that that are taking care of their child.
28:41
Speaker 1: And that's the way that I see it. As a surgeon.
28:43
Speaker 1: For four to six hours or less, your child is
28:47
Speaker 1: going to be in my hands, and that's my responsibility
28:49
Speaker 1: and that's uh, that's my job. Well, thank you so much.
28:53
Speaker 1: Made me a little emotional saying that, because for a what,
28:56
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it really we do carry around a
28:59
Speaker 1: lot of guilt and we carry we carry because we
29:02
Speaker 1: just want what's best for our kids. And I am
29:04
Speaker 1: so grateful to you and Dr Daniel porr Um that
29:07
Speaker 1: you're going to be working on baby deb and I
29:10
Speaker 1: look forward to having a conversation after about how successful
29:13
Speaker 1: it was. And thank you for educating my listeners, for
29:17
Speaker 1: talking I and for for everything that you're doing. We
29:21
Speaker 1: are so grateful. Of course it's my pleasure, and we'll
29:24
Speaker 1: see you later this week and we'll have that conversation. Okay,
29:27
Speaker 1: thank you, alright, bye. She's in such good hands. I
29:33
Speaker 1: know she's in really good hands. She's gonna be just fine.
29:38
Speaker 1: And he just told you there's nothing you could have done,
29:40
Speaker 1: so you can't be hard on yourself. And I know
29:43
Speaker 1: I'm just getting scared. Don't be scared. I know, great,
29:50
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. You know. The reason I'm I'm
29:55
Speaker 1: so grateful to be doing this with you right now
29:57
Speaker 1: is like Edwin is so like so calm with all
30:01
Speaker 1: of this, and like I am trying so hard, like
30:05
Speaker 1: I'm having waves, like you can hear it, like the
30:07
Speaker 1: beginning of our conversation. I can laugh and like joke
30:12
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it like hits me
30:14
Speaker 1: something that he says or something that somebody says. There's
30:16
Speaker 1: something that I read online. Um, I'm I think I'm
30:21
Speaker 1: just so looking forward to this not being an unknown
30:24
Speaker 1: anymore and just knowing that she's feeling good and I know,
30:30
Speaker 1: I know that it's going to happen. I just I
30:32
Speaker 1: know in my heart and I have faith that it's
30:35
Speaker 1: going to happen. I just I don't know why. It's
30:38
Speaker 1: like these emotions keep creeping it. I think you can
30:41
Speaker 1: happy emotions. They're they're natural, and we're in a heightened
30:44
Speaker 1: state right now, like it's it's a whole new world
30:48
Speaker 1: in general. So you have your emotions and you'll still
30:52
Speaker 1: be there to be strong for your baby girl and
30:54
Speaker 1: she's gonna be great. And I'll be ignoring your text
30:58
Speaker 1: like crazy that day. That's fine for me. All you want,
31:01
Speaker 1: you know what you need? You need a dream drink.
31:05
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're allowed to drink it at
31:07
Speaker 1: cedars um. I Uh, let's pull myself together a little
31:12
Speaker 1: bit before we bring on our next guest. So let's
31:14
Speaker 1: take a little break and we'll come right back. Emily,
31:25
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining Teddy Teapot. You are
31:28
Speaker 1: on with Matt and me, and we are so excited
31:31
Speaker 1: to talk all things. Having a baby during the pandemic, so,
31:36
Speaker 1: I mean so crazy. I had doub right before, like
31:40
Speaker 1: it was the point where people had just started talking
31:43
Speaker 1: about it, but like both parents could be there the
31:46
Speaker 1: entire time, we could have a couple of visitors. Um,
31:49
Speaker 1: but like masks weren't a part of anything yet. So
31:52
Speaker 1: we walk us through your experience and when actually did
31:54
Speaker 1: you give birth? Um? I delivered on my second so,
31:59
Speaker 1: as my doctor to put it, it it was the eye
32:00
Speaker 1: of the storm. Um. And it was sort of like
32:05
Speaker 1: a weird slow build because things were changing so much,
32:08
Speaker 1: like in the month leading into when I delivered, UM
32:12
Speaker 1: that initially my husband was going to be allowed to
32:15
Speaker 1: come and he could stay the whole time, And then
32:20
Speaker 1: right before New York Hospital shut down completely and so
32:23
Speaker 1: there was talk like no visitors and I would have
32:25
Speaker 1: to do it with myself. That was a little scary. UM.
32:29
Speaker 1: But then like the week I delivered, they changed the
32:31
Speaker 1: rules and he could stay for both my delivery and postpartum,
32:35
Speaker 1: because initially they were going to kick him out after
32:37
Speaker 1: I delivered UM. But I couldn't have any visitors. He
32:41
Speaker 1: had to stay the entire time. He couldn't come or go.
32:45
Speaker 1: So it was definitely And what what was the deal
32:50
Speaker 1: with the mask? Did you have to wear your mask
32:51
Speaker 1: during delivery? I? Well, yeah, up until I started pushing, UM,
32:57
Speaker 1: I had to wear the mask. I couldn't leave the
33:00
Speaker 1: the delivery room. So the room like, yeah, I wasn't
33:05
Speaker 1: Usually you can like walk the halls and do stuff
33:07
Speaker 1: like that. I wasn't allowed to do that. I could
33:09
Speaker 1: just do it in the in the room. And we
33:11
Speaker 1: had to have masks on. Any time anybody came in,
33:13
Speaker 1: we had to put them on if we hadn't taken
33:15
Speaker 1: them off. Um. And then it wasn't until I started
33:17
Speaker 1: pushing that I could take it off. And mhm wow.
33:27
Speaker 1: And so your family couldn't come and nobody was or
33:30
Speaker 1: anything like that. Has anybody been able to sense? Yeah,
33:34
Speaker 1: So he the pediatrician finally kind of gave him like
33:37
Speaker 1: a semi clearance to meet the grandparents at the end
33:41
Speaker 1: of June, which is when he got his first grand
33:43
Speaker 1: of vaccinations, but up until then, both of our parents
33:46
Speaker 1: were first time grandparents, so it was like killing them
33:49
Speaker 1: to not be able to meet him and hang out
33:52
Speaker 1: and even be there. Like my mom was going to
33:55
Speaker 1: come down and stay for months with me, and she
33:57
Speaker 1: couldn't do that because they were like not allowing anybody
34:01
Speaker 1: to visit him because of everything. And also talking about
34:05
Speaker 1: doctor's appointments. I know for us, we've been having to
34:08
Speaker 1: go to a lot of doctor's appointments with my daughter
34:10
Speaker 1: Dove and only one of us can take her. Is
34:14
Speaker 1: that How did it go with your first doctor's appointment?
34:17
Speaker 1: Were you able to be there or it was we
34:19
Speaker 1: were allowed one person, so my husband took Ham, so
34:23
Speaker 1: I didn't get to go um, and that was kind
34:25
Speaker 1: of his bunner, but you know, at least one of
34:29
Speaker 1: us got to go with him. UM, but yeah, did
34:32
Speaker 1: not be there. It's kind of weird to not see
34:34
Speaker 1: him go through like his first measurements and kind of
34:38
Speaker 1: you know, it's like things that you want to do
34:39
Speaker 1: as a family that we weren't able to get to do.
34:42
Speaker 1: Did you FaceTime during it or are you not able
34:46
Speaker 1: to know? But my husband is like he takes photos
34:49
Speaker 1: of everything. So I was able to kind of get
34:51
Speaker 1: like almost like a flip book of photos of how
34:55
Speaker 1: it went down, but I was tired to so it
34:58
Speaker 1: was Okay, this was your first pregnancy since Yeah, yeah,
35:04
Speaker 1: I mean, this just proves that women are stronger than
35:08
Speaker 1: men for you to go through this, and and it's
35:12
Speaker 1: going to be an interesting story when we get to
35:14
Speaker 1: the other side of it, for you to tell your
35:16
Speaker 1: son later in life. Yeah, if you look like a
35:19
Speaker 1: positive thing to look at it like, it'll be a
35:21
Speaker 1: story to tell. Oh, I know, and I we're we
35:23
Speaker 1: laugh because we're like when he gets the you know,
35:26
Speaker 1: world history and u S History and junior high in
35:28
Speaker 1: high school. He would have been born during everything. So
35:32
Speaker 1: it's it's a strange time for sure, and not when
35:35
Speaker 1: I had envisioned, not how I gave like imagine going
35:39
Speaker 1: through it all. But and and how are you feeling
35:42
Speaker 1: now postpartum? I know that, you know, With with my
35:46
Speaker 1: other kids, it was such a different experience, you know.
35:49
Speaker 1: Of course I was like home for the first six weeks,
35:51
Speaker 1: but then I was like kind of on the go
35:52
Speaker 1: with them, and we were doing baby classes and all
35:54
Speaker 1: these different things. And with Dove, we've primarily like, unless
35:58
Speaker 1: we're going to a doctor's appointment, we're home. So how
36:02
Speaker 1: are you feeling. I feel a little cooped up for sure. Um,
36:06
Speaker 1: I can't even go to the grocery store without coordinating with,
36:10
Speaker 1: you know, my husband to make sure that because I
36:13
Speaker 1: can't take him to the store because of all the germs.
36:15
Speaker 1: Was if it was just a regular, you know, non
36:18
Speaker 1: pandemic time, I could just go and run my errands
36:21
Speaker 1: and do things. So it's definitely been a challenge. I
36:24
Speaker 1: like to be on the go as it is, so
36:26
Speaker 1: to be kind of like hunker Darren. Um, I feel lufty.
36:29
Speaker 1: I didn't get postpartum or anything like that, but it's
36:32
Speaker 1: it's it's a weird feeling to not be able to do,
36:35
Speaker 1: like have the freedom to do stuff because you have
36:38
Speaker 1: a little baby you're trying to protect. And I think
36:41
Speaker 1: that so many of what you just said is so
36:45
Speaker 1: many of us are feeling right now, regardless off it's
36:47
Speaker 1: a baby, or it's work or whatever it may be.
36:51
Speaker 1: We are just in such a place of the unknown
36:54
Speaker 1: and what I can remind myself and I'm sure what
36:56
Speaker 1: you're thinking as well as like, wow, but the great
36:58
Speaker 1: news is that I have a healthy you know, happy
37:01
Speaker 1: baby and all these things, and we're trying our best
37:03
Speaker 1: to stay positive. But I did a podcast last week
37:06
Speaker 1: about somebody's talked about toxic positivity. So just being able
37:10
Speaker 1: to share like those ups and downs is really what
37:13
Speaker 1: makes us all feel so connected right now. So I
37:16
Speaker 1: really appreciate you talking with us and like sharing your story.
37:20
Speaker 1: And I think there's so many parents out there that
37:22
Speaker 1: are going through this and the unknowns of what happens
37:25
Speaker 1: if I give birth in a month from now, or
37:27
Speaker 1: what happens if it's in the you know, in the fall,
37:29
Speaker 1: or and none of us know. But all we know
37:33
Speaker 1: is that we really are all in this together. Yeah, yeah,
37:36
Speaker 1: I mean I do feel lucky because I got to
37:39
Speaker 1: go to every single doctor's appointment leading up to my delivery.
37:42
Speaker 1: I have friends who are pregnant now that they have
37:45
Speaker 1: to do and be a zoom, you know, and if
37:47
Speaker 1: you know that's true, I have a I have a
37:49
Speaker 1: pregnant friend now and she even went in for like
37:52
Speaker 1: you know where they have like the fetal medicine doctor,
37:55
Speaker 1: the specialist, and like her husband had to wait outside
37:57
Speaker 1: in the car. Yeah, that's happening a lot now, and
38:01
Speaker 1: I think it's becoming like the new normal, And it's
38:05
Speaker 1: it's hard because those are the moments that you really
38:07
Speaker 1: want to bond with your significant other and so hey
38:12
Speaker 1: like look at the you know, and these are these
38:14
Speaker 1: great monumental moments. But I think we start to learn
38:19
Speaker 1: that there's other things that you can start to enjoy together.
38:22
Speaker 1: Because it's crazy. I am now. I was just as
38:28
Speaker 1: I'm curious leading up to like when you were feel
38:31
Speaker 1: like you're about to give birth? Is there did they
38:34
Speaker 1: test you often for COVID going like to prepare anything
38:39
Speaker 1: or no? They never even know? Oh I never. I
38:42
Speaker 1: mean they took my temperature when I got to the hospital, Um,
38:46
Speaker 1: but they I never had to get like an official
38:48
Speaker 1: test or anything. But I had also been quarantine. My
38:52
Speaker 1: doctor kind of pulled the plug on me going out
38:55
Speaker 1: before the math math lockdown happened. So um, I had
38:59
Speaker 1: been kind of homebound, homebound for a while. Even before
39:04
Speaker 1: you gave birth. You didn't have to give take the
39:05
Speaker 1: COVID test, I think, right, yeah, yeah that was not planned.
39:12
Speaker 1: So um that was that was a nice surprise. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I actually I took my mask off to push
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Speaker 1: and then it wasn't he wasn't coming out, so they
39:23
Speaker 1: had to wheel me to the o R. So in
39:24
Speaker 1: between pushing they had to put I had to put
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Speaker 1: my mask back on go to the o R. I
39:28
Speaker 1: had to have it on in the ore one night delivered,
39:33
Speaker 1: so it was you know, they put the medicine, the
39:36
Speaker 1: gas mask on and then they took the mask back. Well,
39:40
Speaker 1: you are a strong mama, and we are grateful that
39:45
Speaker 1: you shared your story with us. And you wish the
39:47
Speaker 1: best to you and your family and to talk to
39:51
Speaker 1: you one day again soon. Yeah too. Thank you to me.
40:00
Speaker 1: M Rebecca, thank you so much for joining us. You
40:09
Speaker 1: are on with myself and Matt on the Teddy Tea Pod,
40:13
Speaker 1: and we first we have to say thank you for
40:15
Speaker 1: all the incredible work that you do. UM. Rebecca is
40:18
Speaker 1: a surgical nurse who has a really amazing backstory that
40:22
Speaker 1: I'm hoping you can share with our listeners. Hey, Teddy,
40:26
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Um. This is
40:28
Speaker 1: a great platform and I'm excited to be a part
40:30
Speaker 1: of it. My backroom story is primarily in the military
40:33
Speaker 1: and civilians. I have twenty three years in the operating room,
40:36
Speaker 1: UM by your factor D the Air Force, eighteen years
40:39
Speaker 1: reserved and I've always been surgery from the trauma side
40:44
Speaker 1: to garrow surgery to fine orthopedics, and it's my true love.
40:49
Speaker 1: It's been a blessing that I have. Um, the job
40:53
Speaker 1: I have and let's going to work every day. And
40:56
Speaker 1: what do you think the overall mental health is of
40:59
Speaker 1: people you know, either coming into the hospital or working
41:02
Speaker 1: into the hospital right now? Um, we're kind of you know,
41:06
Speaker 1: it's as nurses, I think we have a survivor all around.
41:10
Speaker 1: We Um, we don't the pandemic the foil he does
41:14
Speaker 1: we dealt with infectious diseases. Um. I think the mental
41:18
Speaker 1: health has definitely seen a really scary decline. UM. I
41:25
Speaker 1: think for all of us, whether you're in the hospital,
41:27
Speaker 1: whether whether you're at home along, whether you're at home
41:29
Speaker 1: with your family, it's kind of it's a huge awakening
41:34
Speaker 1: for as all. So I think it's really the isolation,
41:38
Speaker 1: the fear. You know, whenever people say to me, what
41:42
Speaker 1: that guy, I'm so scared to have to really pass them.
41:44
Speaker 1: What are you afraid of? Right? Are you afraid to
41:46
Speaker 1: give out of your house to get the coronavirus? Are
41:49
Speaker 1: you afraid to get to come to the hospital we
41:50
Speaker 1: give you might contract coronavirus. So I think when people
41:54
Speaker 1: really can articulate what their fears are and then they
41:58
Speaker 1: can kind of wrap and how we're gonna live with this? Right,
42:02
Speaker 1: so probably one two years, who knows, because it's not
42:04
Speaker 1: going away, right. I mean, I will say, honestly myself,
42:09
Speaker 1: just speaking for personal experience, you know I'm due too.
42:13
Speaker 1: I go to the dentist for teeth cleaning, go to
42:15
Speaker 1: for my annual physical, and I won't make an appointment
42:18
Speaker 1: just because I can barely go to Trader Joe's without
42:21
Speaker 1: having a panic attack. So what what do you think?
42:25
Speaker 1: What do you feel like? Are you do you feel
42:27
Speaker 1: there's not that much risks, say going to the dentist
42:30
Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to go get their teeth cleaned. Um,
42:32
Speaker 1: I can personally say I've been to the dentist twice.
42:34
Speaker 1: I had to get a root canal, and as soon
42:36
Speaker 1: as this all happened, I'm going into my mouth hard
42:38
Speaker 1: to fit it tomorrow. Probably the safest will ever be,
42:42
Speaker 1: or have ever been, going to your primary pair or
42:45
Speaker 1: a dentist office. You know, they worked maths, because they
42:47
Speaker 1: worked loves, they have space shields, everyone's screened, everyone's everything
42:51
Speaker 1: is just disinfected. I would. I think it's very minimal.
42:57
Speaker 1: And what about um, you know, I'm going into the
43:00
Speaker 1: hospital with my um baby daughter. And I heard you
43:04
Speaker 1: say that you worked as a surgical nurse and and neurosurgery.
43:09
Speaker 1: Do you know what it's kind of like for um,
43:13
Speaker 1: somebody in the hospital with their baby right now for
43:15
Speaker 1: an extended period of time? Like I don't even I'm
43:19
Speaker 1: trying to envision it because it's so different than when
43:21
Speaker 1: you give birth. Um, But I know that I'm going
43:25
Speaker 1: to be in the I see you with her for
43:27
Speaker 1: two days and then I think they move us out
43:30
Speaker 1: of the I see you. But like, what am I
43:33
Speaker 1: going to be able to, like hold her and comfort
43:37
Speaker 1: her and do all those things? Are she gonna be
43:39
Speaker 1: pretty hooked up? Mhm? Um, I can't your children specialty
43:46
Speaker 1: hospital or is it a I'm going to seaters? Okay?
43:52
Speaker 1: So every hospital had different credicals for how long hospital
43:56
Speaker 1: you will be screened every day. You'll have to wear
43:58
Speaker 1: a mask still publicly, I do a mask? Can you
44:01
Speaker 1: go in? And some hospitals have time with it. Some
44:04
Speaker 1: hospitals have a number of visitors per day. They're letting
44:09
Speaker 1: me stay with her, They're letting me stay with her,
44:11
Speaker 1: but Edwin, my husband can't. UM. But I'm just curious,
44:16
Speaker 1: like after a surgery like that, and maybe maybe you're
44:20
Speaker 1: not sure, but how much we're allowed to be you know,
44:25
Speaker 1: I guess like holding them. I I just I that's
44:28
Speaker 1: an answer that I don't I don't fully know right now,
44:32
Speaker 1: right you should be she's under the age of one
44:35
Speaker 1: dreg Yeah, okay, Yeah, I would say, yeah. It just
44:42
Speaker 1: really depends. Also, I mean maybe not in the I
44:44
Speaker 1: c you immediately after will depend on what monitor she has.
44:49
Speaker 1: UM And like I said, just you're gonna be gonna
44:53
Speaker 1: be the seven with her. I can establish that. They
44:56
Speaker 1: said I could be. My husband can only be there
44:59
Speaker 1: during surgery and seeing her when she comes out of surgery,
45:04
Speaker 1: and then he has to go and it's one per okay,
45:08
Speaker 1: and that I mean that's that's that's pretty liberal. I
45:10
Speaker 1: think that's great. I would say, yes, you'll be able
45:13
Speaker 1: to hold her, you'll be able to be with her,
45:15
Speaker 1: and UM, you know it's don't get overwhelmed with the monitors.
45:19
Speaker 1: They can be scary. Just really just keep something to
45:23
Speaker 1: distract yourself where it's a book podcast. Um. Yeah, I
45:30
Speaker 1: understand you're fear though, but you know, I just took
45:32
Speaker 1: my daughter to the hospital last week. UM, I didn't
45:36
Speaker 1: have any fear of who are coming in a car
45:38
Speaker 1: coming in and a coronavirus. Um. It's all very very
45:44
Speaker 1: well clean, sanitized, everyone's wearing masks. It's like, this is
45:48
Speaker 1: probably the safest time to go anywhere. Okay, Oh well,
45:53
Speaker 1: I hate to leave this on a somber note, but
45:56
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of where we are at this moment.
45:59
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for sharing your story and
46:02
Speaker 1: honestly for all that you do, and if there's any
46:06
Speaker 1: like I take a lot of UM, it makes me
46:11
Speaker 1: feel good to hear you say that this is the
46:14
Speaker 1: safest that you could you could go to the hospital,
46:16
Speaker 1: or that you could go to the dentist, or you
46:18
Speaker 1: could do those things, because you know, I think it's
46:21
Speaker 1: really important for everyone to know that, like, if you're
46:23
Speaker 1: in pain, or you're hurting, or something's going on, that
46:26
Speaker 1: you can still get treatment right now, you can still
46:29
Speaker 1: get help. And we shouldn't be afraid to seek treatment
46:33
Speaker 1: or get help, regardless if it's physical or mental or
46:37
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. That we that you know, we
46:40
Speaker 1: we are protected. I think so I think we've been
46:43
Speaker 1: so inetuted with the fear and the numbers. You know,
46:47
Speaker 1: I always tell people just look locally in your community,
46:49
Speaker 1: you know, go onto your county dashboard and it really
46:52
Speaker 1: looks at the numbers and what those numbers mean. You know,
46:55
Speaker 1: it's going to be a risk for a long time.
46:56
Speaker 1: But going out in public, you know, I mean California,
47:01
Speaker 1: everyone has to wear a mask, right right. I'm not
47:04
Speaker 1: going to go to a big beach party or you know,
47:08
Speaker 1: even a huge dinner party. I probably wouldn't go too.
47:10
Speaker 1: But I think if you keep your friends close, to
47:12
Speaker 1: your family close, go to Trader Joe's, wear a mask,
47:15
Speaker 1: use hand sanitizer when you're done. Um, I think those
47:18
Speaker 1: are all there. I personally think those are all very
47:21
Speaker 1: good decisions. Um. And like I said, you have to
47:25
Speaker 1: be happy with their lives right and risk look at
47:29
Speaker 1: your local risk. And yeah, it's it's a sad time,
47:34
Speaker 1: but I think it be all put in perspective where
47:37
Speaker 1: we are and what we need to do and how
47:40
Speaker 1: we need to live. And yeah, you know, get out
47:44
Speaker 1: of your health go shopping, go to go go to
47:48
Speaker 1: the beach, go for a hike. There's still a lot
47:50
Speaker 1: to do. Okay, you do know. Thank you for coming
47:56
Speaker 1: on Teddy T Pod. Thanks Teddy and good luck. Um,
48:00
Speaker 1: and you know your daughter is an excellent hands and
48:02
Speaker 1: seaters Okay, thanks best care, the best care, because I mean, yeah,
48:10
Speaker 1: I know it's always scary, I know, but have no
48:14
Speaker 1: I I believe that she's in the best care, and
48:16
Speaker 1: I really trust her doctors, and we just you know,
48:21
Speaker 1: tomorrow's the day. Then she I'm a sinning rest of mine.
48:24
Speaker 1: Now would she be in hospital for a two weeks?
48:28
Speaker 1: They said seven days? Probably? Okay, I get there. Thank you,
48:34
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Oh well, Matt, thank you so much
48:41
Speaker 1: for joining me. Um, welcome, You're gonna be great. Dove's
48:45
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Thank you. Um Teddy T Pod listeners.
48:49
Speaker 1: I am not gonna be doing a podcast next week. Um,
48:54
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take a week, um two or two,
48:58
Speaker 1: I don't know to foe us on DOV and I
49:03
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys for tuning in, and I hope that
49:06
Speaker 1: you were able to learn some things and feel comfortable
49:09
Speaker 1: that you're able to go to the doctor or that
49:11
Speaker 1: if your child has been diagnosed with toward to call
49:14
Speaker 1: us that your doctor knows what they're doing. Um, because
49:18
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like we got a lot of
49:19
Speaker 1: really good information from all of our guests today. Uh
49:24
Speaker 1: what else? If you have any questions, we send them
49:27
Speaker 1: into um at teddy tea Pod and we will try
49:30
Speaker 1: to get into some new topics in a couple of
49:33
Speaker 1: weeks from now. UM. Thank you, Matty, thanks for listening.
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