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Phill Webster – Letting Glow · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice. I've always been
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fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and the crossroads at which they meet.
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Join me now and we will explore these topics and so much more with
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fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to Destination unlimited. Is
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there a way to take a practical approach to demystifying the mystical, enabling us
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to implement ancient esoteric truths in our daily lives. My guest this week on
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Destination Unlimited, Phil Webster, took a personal journey through grief into mediumship and
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the study of ancient and modern metaphysics. Phil Webster is a rie actor and
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spiritual teacher. After living abroad for twenty years, he returned to the United
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Kingdom and ventured into acting. After losing his mother in twenty twenty one,
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he realized that he had been dismissing spiritual calls to action his entire life.
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His website is Philwebster dot com, and he joins me this week to share
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his story and his new number one book on Amazon's Hot Releases chart, Glowing
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Deeper. Please join me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited. Phil Webster. Welcome
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Phil, Thank you vig so nice, so nice to be here, and
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thanks for having me, and thank you for joining us. Phil. Please
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share with our listeners your early path and what your beliefs were or were not
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in terms of the spiritual and metaphysical. Sure, so, I think when
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I was a kid, I remember having this very and I suppose a lot
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of us do. People's circumstances are different how they grow up. But I
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felt like I had this very innate sense of knowing that that life was just
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supposed to be fun. You know. I remember walking to school and saying
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hello to all the trees and stuff like that on the way, and that
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seemed like a kind of a natural thing to do, you know. And
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I suppose early on, when I look back on it, I had a
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There was a lot of I suppose you could call them paranormal experiences around the
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house. But I kind of, as I grow older and thought back on
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these things, I thought, well, did they did they really happen or
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was it just you know, part of my imagination and what have you?
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And yes, sort of had like a somewhat of a tumultuous childhood. There's
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a lot of us do like parents breaking up and you know, a stepfather
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that wasn't my greatest fan, and all these things, but you know,
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you get through them, and then yeah, I sort of hit my teens
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and again, like it was seeing that something would come along every now and
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again. I remember coming across a book on astral projection and thinking that sounded
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really cool at about fourteen fifteen years old, and this was kind of early
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nineties, and you know, we didn't have much else to do. I
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also, I grew up on a place called the Isle of Wight, which
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is a very rural place and kind of cut off on the rest of England,
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so there wasn't much to do. So I thought, let's try this
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astral projection thing, and very quickly, just like laying there and trying to
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you know, separate from my body, it happened and I was kind of
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overwhelmed. I didn't really know what to expect. And I remember the thing
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that that kind of threw me the most was that I had a third perspective,
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so I could feel myself laying on the bed, I film myself rise
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abuffet, and I had these sort of both two different sensations. But then
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I had a third perspective from the side of the room, which I wasn't
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counting on at all, and that was kind of the thing that just was
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too much, and I just kind of snapped myself out of it. And
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a few years later, I remember I was watching some TV show and they
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had like a somebody called in to speak to a psychic, and this guy
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described the same third perspective. He said it was as though he were the
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wall, kind of watching himself float above his body. And I thought,
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well, all right, maybe that maybe that actually did happen then, you
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know, so I kind of had a lot, a lot of things that
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I went to go into as a kid that seemed to pop up, and
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then I sort of just put it all behind me and just you know,
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went through my twenties, traveled around a lot, traveled around the world,
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lived abroad poor for twenty years or so, and sort of developed a bit
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more of a cynical outlook on life as I went through my thirties. And
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so I'll just leave it at that. I kind of put it all behind
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me, and then all of a sudden, a few major things happened.
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Yes, everything changed for you during the transition of your mother. Please tell
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us what happened. So yeah, so I'll yeah, I'll go into that
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and then maybe backtrack a little bit. So with my mom. My mom
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was seventy six years old when she passed away, and this was in two
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thousand and one, sorry twenty twenty one, forgive me, at the just
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at the tail end of the pandemic. So she lived on this island that
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I mentioned, and again it's a very rural place, and we were in
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you know, the various lockdowns and what have you. And I'm based in
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London after coming back to the UK around twenty seventeen. But anyway, so
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it's a few hours away from me, and I was trying to do the
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right thing and I would go and see her when restrictions were lifted and we
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went in lockdowns and what have you. But she grew increasingly lonely over that
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year living alone. She had a few various age related health problems, like
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high blood pressure and stuff like that, but she would always bounce back,
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you know, from any illness, and I kind of expected her to be
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around for a while. But anyway, I hadn't seen her for a few
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months and it was January twenty twenty one and we would FaceTime every day,
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and one evening when I called her, and I think it was the third
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time we'd spoke that day. She picked up the phone and as she did,
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or a man leaning in a kind of standing beside her, and I
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saw him long enough that I could describe him. He had thinning gray hair,
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glasses, looked like he was maybe late sixties, something like that.
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And I was kind of taken aback, you know, because we were in
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a lockdown. Nobody should have been there. I knew everybody that was around
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her. We didn't have any family there. And I was like, well,
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who's that? And she's kind of took moved with the phone and he
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went out of shot and she said who's what? And I was like,
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okay, well, I said, well the guy. I just I just
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saw someone and she was like, no, no, you know, there's
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no one here. And I said, look, mom, I said sorry,
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but I just saw someone, Like who is it? And she just
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dismissed it. And I could always tell if there was somebody there, like
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her whole domeino would change. She would speak a lot posha and then you
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know, put on these airs and graces. And they always used to drive
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me nuts, but she wasn't doing any of that, and I kind of
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questioned her a couple more times, and she just dismissed it and started talking
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about her day, and I thought, all right, well, I guess
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I was mistaken. And we spoke for maybe a further forty five minutes,
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and it was quite late at night. It was around ten o'clock, and
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you know, I knew all the neighbors and stuff like that, and I
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thought, all right, well, you know, I was mistaken. So
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I went to bed that night, and the next morning I received a phone
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call from one of the neighbors that my mum was having a heart attack and
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she passed away that morning. So, you know, through the thick of
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the grief and all that you go through when when you lose somebody close or
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when you lose a parent, my mind kept going back to that, and
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I was thinking, Okay, well, what was that. What are we
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talking here? You know, I believe that there was nobody there, and
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I thought, are we talking? What? Spirit guides ghosts? And none
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of those things were kind of of interest to me at the time, and
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I sort of kept coming back to that, and it didn't really offer me
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much comfort because I didn't recognize him. He didn't look like an uncall that
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had passed away or anything like that. So I didn't really know what to
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do with it. But the logical, you know, that the logical thing
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to me seemed to be that that that was a supernatural event and somebody was
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letting me know that she was about to pass. So that that was really
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the catalyst for me to to dive back into, you know, looking into
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spiritual into the spiritual aspects of life and what was really the beginning of the
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book. And you had sued that a few things happened before that. Yeah,
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so that one of the things that that really did as well as you
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know, kind of just give me a i don't know, a kickop the
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but to look into spiritual things. And it sort of reminded me about a
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few other things that had happened over the years. So there was a couple
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of events in my mid thirties that I that I sort of again just you
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know, was happy to put behind me. But then I kind of started
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looking at it as in a different light as I learned about more spiritual practices.
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So one specific thing was in my mid thirties, I was living in
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Helsinki in Finland, and I was running bars and nightclubs at the time,
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so I kind of had a very cynical outlook on life. You know,
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every night I was seeing people drunk at the worst. You know, I
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was sleeping all day, working the nights or six in the morning, probably
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drinking a bit too much myself, and I just kind of, yeah,
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I was a little bit living a bit of a self involved life. You
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know, I wasn't really thinking of anything else other than my owned kind of
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pursuits. And I woke up one particular morning, I wasn't drunk or anything
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like that, and I just kind of had this thought. It wasn't a
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new thought, but I was just thinking about how we only have the moment
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of now, and you know that it is now all the time, essentially,
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And I was kind of laying there contemplating this, and then something very
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profound shifted, and it was as though I were kind of snapped out of
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the whatever's going on here, and linear time fell away, and it was
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as though I were above myself observing my own thoughts, and everything just suddenly
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seemed absurd. And you know, people talk about living in the moment,
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and you know, sort of being present in the moment of now. But
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this was overwhelming. It was like that times a thousand, and like I
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say, linear time fell away, and all of a sudden it was just
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like now, and it was just now, now, now, And I
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was like, whoa, okay, this is too much. And I can't
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emphasize how kind of scary this was. It was as though like a spotlight
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were being shot on me and I was suddenly woken up to some sort of
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new version of reality and it was terrifying. And I thought, well,
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okay, and I tried to walk it off, and that didn't work.
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I carried on going to work and I was trying to explain to people what
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was going on, and this thing just didn't stop. And it was twenty
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four to seven, just just this ultimate awareness of of the present moment.
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I just couldn't switch off. I couldn't think, well, what am I
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going to eat for dinner later? Or what did I do last night?
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Just my brain wouldn't let up that it was just now all the time,
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and it was exhausting. So I kind of went about my try to get
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you know, thinking that this thing would wear off, and I ended up
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go into a doctor a few weeks later, and I pretty much explained how
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I just said it to you, and they said, well, yeah,
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that sounds like psychosis, which wasn't something that I ever thought would be,
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you know, on my cards, which terrified me. And the doctor gave
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me a bunch of meds, anti anxiety pills, sleeping pills, stuff like
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that. The sleeping pills would knock me out and then I'd wake up and
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the whole thing would just start over again, just this ultimate, you know,
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moment of just being ultra present, and the anxiety meds didn't touch it,
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gave it. A couple more weeks, went to another doctor, same
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diagnosis, psychosis, and I was like, hey, this does not you
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know. I was getting scared at this point. It was as though I
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felt like I was hanging on by like a slippery hanging onto like a slippery
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bar by my fingernails of whatever I thought reality was. And I got to
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say, it was overwhelming, and it just didn't let up. And maybe
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about three months in I started thinking, Okay, if this is the way
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that my brain's going to work now, and I don't mean to take this
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down the dark path, but I thought, well, I'm out of here,
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this just this doesn't work for me. You know. I really felt
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like I was losing my mind, and I ended up finding a psychiatrist,
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and amazingly this guy was and I was in Helsinki still, but this guy
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was like the one medical professional that seemed to understand sort of more spiritual,
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had a more spiritual outlook on things, and he was like, no,
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no, no, man. He was like, you're fine, You're you're
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having an awakening, that's what's going on. And I was like, okay,
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well whatever, just just make it stop, you know, I would
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just want to get back to the herd and I get on with my life,
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you know. And anyway, he gave me a very basic grounding meditation
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and almost instantly brought me back. I mean it didn't it didn't last that
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this whole kind of thing started up again. But I just did this meditation
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every day, and very very gradually I kind of started, you know,
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sort of coming back online or offline, depending on which way, which way
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you look at this whole thing. And yeah, you know, it would
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get to the point that I would have one good day in the week,
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then it was two good days and a little bit later, and then you
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know, over the course of about a year, I sort of, you
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know, returned to normal and I was like, well, thank god that
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was over and put it behind me. But one of the things that he'd
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said at the time, in my mid thirties, that he believed that I
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was a mystic, and I was like, well, well the hell does
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that mean? Right? And he was talking about things like shamanic sickness and
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all these other things I wasn't really interested in, and you know, I
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just put the whole experience behind me. So that was one thing, and
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that was a pretty major one. But yeah, there were a couple more,
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but I feel like I talked I talked a bit too long about that.
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No, not at all. So you had these experiences, then you
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had the transition of your mother and the experience that happened. Then how did
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these things change your life and lead you to the pursuit of learning about mediumship?
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Yeah, well I would say that. Like I say, I kind
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of put that one behind me. And then when I started looking back on
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it, it was seemed that about every five years or so, it was
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those something was tapping me on the shoulder, you know, And up until
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my mom passed, I just ignored it or I dealt with it the best
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way I could and then put it behind me, like the like the experience
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I has talked about, but after losing my mom. I mean, I'm
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sure some of your listeners have been through this as well, and you know,
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it's such a life changing thing. Is it's you know, there was
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this person that's just been the witness to your whole life and they're suddenly not
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there anymore, and it's it's you know, it felt like stepping into an
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alternate reality. You know, there was one where my mom was here,
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and then there's one where she wasn't, and you know, it changed everything.
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It really felt like, even though I'm in my late forties, it
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really felt like that whatever last i don't know, peace of childhood was left
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or was was, you know, absolutely gone. You know, it's just
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me now, and I suppose it really took the wind out of me.
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And I was just kind of slowly beginning to obsess over what the who the
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guy on the call was. So I started reading some sort of you know,
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the standard sort of spiritual literature Neil Donald Walsh and things that I'd read
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over the years here and there, and then that led me to a book
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by a medium called Claire broad So Claire. I didn't know who she was
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when I picked the book up. She could have been from the States or
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Australia or the UK or whatever. And I started reading this book and it
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opened with her opening scene was taking a place across the street from where I
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lived in London, at a cemetery that I could see from my window,
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which I thought was like, Okay, well that's kind of weird, you
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know, like she could have been from anywhere, and there was this instant
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connection, like I could literally look out of my window and see what she
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was talking about in the first chapter of a book. And I read her
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whole book, and very shortly afterwards I noticed that she had a class coming
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up at a place called the College of Psychic Studies in London, which sounded
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I'd heard of it before, and I thought it sounded ridiculous. I was
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like, well, what's this like the X men's school that's coming And anyway,
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I ended up going along to her class and I told her those stories
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that I told you, along with a couple of others, and she was
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like, yeah, yeah, that that makes perfect sense, and she kind
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of gave me a very different perspective on it all to you know, other
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people kind of dismissing it, and almost kind of took me under her wing,
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and she just yes, she kind of opened the door to mediumship.
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And then the next kind of thing that was really the game changer was walking
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into a spiritualist church one night and a lady was given to a demonstration of
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mediumships. So nobody knew that I was showing up, and this was really
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my first experience with a medium outside of Claire's book, and probably before I
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met Claire, I must say. And this lady, she was going around
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the church, around the small congregation there and giving people evidence of people that
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had passed over, and she was getting affirmation after affirmation, and I was
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saying, okay, well this seems to be like a this thing is seemed
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legit. You know. People were burst into bursting into tears and just like
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confirming everything she was talking about. And she eventually came to me and she
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started talking about a young man that had passed away when we were when I
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was young, and I, to be honest, I had no idea what
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she was talking about for about five or ten minutes, and then she started
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talking about me becoming a medium or being a voice for spirit was how she
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put it. And I was like, well, funny because I just started
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reading about this stuff. But anyway, I didn't really have any aspiration for
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that. And then right at the end and then I kind of finally realized
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who she was talking about. And I realized she was talking about a friend
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of mine who'd passed away when we were both like early twenties. And then
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and then she said, oh, well, I have a lady here that's
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passed very recently, and she described my mom physically, and I kind of
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got a lump in my throat, you know. And the game changer was
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really the lady that the medium. Her her accent changed, so she had
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a very strong London Cockney accent, and then suddenly she switched to this Northern
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English accent, which which was like what my mom sounded like, and she
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just used my mum's words, you know, And it was a very brief
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message, but again that that really changed everything. That was kind of another
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thing that just was like, all right, this is I'm looking at everything
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differently now, and just confirm for me that that I believe that my mum,
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you know, was still a witness to my life, and that that
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really opened the door and I thought, well, I'm going to start documenting
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this because there's quite a lot here already, you know. And over the
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course of that next year had so many amazing things happen that I write about
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in the book, and through the book up just kind of told my story.
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And the books called Letting Glow, by the way, that's the first
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book, and you know, in theory the reader could go along with me,
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do the meditations that are in there, and possibly open up and maybe
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go towards mediumship if that's an interest in this. And that was your first
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book, as you mentioned last year, the part of a trilogy called Letting
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Glow, A Guide to Intuition, Spirituality, and Living Consciously. What else
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did you share with your readers in that book? I pretty much. I
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just I was kind of writing, I suppose you could call it in real
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time, so as I was learning, I was just writing all these things
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down, and you know, I was pouring my grief into it also,
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So it's a bit of a mixed bag, and I feel like it might
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be a bit of a people Some people have told me that it's difficult to
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categorize the book because I'm talking about my personal grief that I hope would possibly
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help somebody else that might be going through the same thing. I'm learning about
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all these amazing things spiritual, spirituality wise, and then it's kind of autobiographical
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as well, because that I then sort of go back and document all these
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things that would happen every few years, you know, in a spiritual sense.
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So yeah, by the end of it, I feel that, you
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know, the reader, it's almost like a soft introduction to spirituality would be
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the way that I would put it. Yeah, and how did you arrive
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with the title Letting Glow? Well, it was just a play on grief
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really, you know, I was kind of coming to terms with losing my
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mum, but then I was learning about all these amazing things that was just
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opening up this whole new world for me. And I really felt like,
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Okay, I've always been someone that's never really found my place in the world.
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You know, I've dabbled with this and that, but I never really
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found a solid career path or I couldn't really get excited about making money for
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somebody else, you know, anything like that. And it started feeling like,
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oh, this this feels like this has been my thing all along,
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you know, and especially when I kind of went back and and reevaluated all
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these all these signs along the way that I just ignored and everything kind of
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fell into place, and it was almost almost like a parting gift for my
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mum, you know, in a weird way. So it was this very
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bittersweet kind of a journey. So yeah, I want, I wanted to
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acknowledge that I'm you know, letting go of you know, that that part
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of my life, but also that something new was starting. Absolutely, it
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seems that it's really important to you to demystify the mystical. Why so absolutely
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I think that you know, we all have these moments of and you know,
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and this is coming from somebody as well, like I say myself when
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I I did become very cynical for a while, but we still have these
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moments of intuition and you know, know, ang, or you walk into
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the room and you can say you can cut the air with a knife if
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someone's been having an argument, and we all agree that that's that's a real
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thing, or you know, we can't put our finger on something, or
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we have all these terms. But then if you start using words like Clare
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sentience or Claire audience or something like that. Then people typically, you know,
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like just sort of dismiss you and look at you liking nuts. But
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I think we're essentially talking about the same thing, you know. I think
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that we're talking about a sixth sense, and it's just a question of semantics
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at the end of the day, you know, It's just just the way
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that you want to kind of approach it. And I feel like that we
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all have probably have these mystical experiences here and there, but they're always typically
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so fleeting that we just dismissed them, you know, and move on.
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So I that's kind of what I mean by demystifying the mystical. I think
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we all have these moments, but it just takes a while to kind of
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acknowledge them and then tune in. I had one. My mother passed away
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in January of twenty twenty. Oh I can thank you, yes, And
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she was eighty six at the time, and she had been ill for quite
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some time. But I had this vision of circles and rings in my mind's
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eye after her passing, and it continued for several months, and it manifested
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a poem that came through me that I think you would appreciate. I'd like
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to share it with you if I may do. Yeah, says the path
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of great beauty, and so many things, from atoms to galaxies, circles
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and rings, natural wisdom that dwells there within, from not to three sixty,
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that magical spin. We circle each other in Gravity's dance as Guy a
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circle soul, the solar romance as Luna circles us in life giving motion,
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drawing the tides and inner emotion. And the age of the oak is found
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in its rings, as in woman and man and all living things. And
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when the rings stop and life comes to an end, we'll all circle back
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and dance once again. Beautiful, beautiful. I think that pretty much sums
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it all up very nicely. Thank you. My guest is Phil Webster.
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His latest book is entitled Glowing Deeper. Phil, please tell our listeners where
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they can get your books and find out more about you. Absolutely so.
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You can get both books at all the usual retailers, Bonds and Noble and
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everywhere else, and of course on Amazon, and yeah, getting hold of
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Unlimited. My guest this week is Phil Webster. His new book is entitled
24:37
Glowing Deeper. Phil, What inspired you to write the second pork in your
24:42
trilogy, Glowing Deeper? So? When not finished Letting Glow? Like I
24:48
say, it was a very cathartic kind of it definitely helped me for that
24:52
first year of grief. But I learned so much about what food mediums and
24:59
learning about different spiritual practices that I felt by the end of it that I'd
25:03
moved on in leaps and bounds from the beginning, you know, and I
25:06
felt like immediately I just wanted to carry on. Also felt a little bit
25:10
of a loss when I finished the first book. And not that I wasn't
25:12
dealing with a grief. I was very much, very much dealing with it
25:15
and in the thick of it and just kind of letting it all manifest.
25:22
But I just felt like, yeah, I've got I've got another book right
25:23
here already. So the second book's kind of less about my journey, although
25:29
it's in there, but it's more about, you know, just sort of
25:33
like a again, going a little bit further with different spiritual practice. Also
25:37
kind of thought, well, what would I like to read about? So
25:41
there's a lot of stuff in there, there's a in the middle of it.
25:42
I've just decided to go off on a sort of a bit of a
25:45
if you can call it, fun section about talking about esoteric traditions, such
25:49
as what I believe are the origins of witchcraft. There's some stuff about so
25:56
very basically things about shamanism, Celtic traditions and things like that, the history
26:03
of the tarot, all those kind of things, and how are those paths
26:07
relevant to a book about raising one's consciousness. Yeah. Well, interestingly,
26:11
as I as I wrote them, they all sort of and this is how
26:15
these things tend to work out, you know. I didn't really know where
26:17
I was going with these things, but at the end of it, I
26:18
thought, well that it all tied in nicely, you know, especially when
26:23
I was talking about witchcraft. I just sort of dove into that because I
26:26
found it very interesting. I'd recently started a course at the University of Barcelona
26:32
about studying witchcraft in the Middle Ages, and I found the whole thing really
26:37
fascinating, you know, because as we're talking now, back back in the
26:41
day would have been burned at the stake already, you know, we're talking
26:45
like this. So it was such an interesting history and I definitely learned a
26:51
lot through that. But one of interesting thing that I found about it was,
26:53
you know, people especially in this country or in the UK in general,
26:59
believing in you know, fairies and elves and all that kind of stuff,
27:02
which wasn't really something that I've ever taken that seriously. I kind of
27:06
realized that I was being a little bit disrespectful. There's such a rich history
27:08
there, you know, and it's tied into medicine, and food and all
27:12
these things that you know, we sort of that have turned into our everyday
27:17
lives today. And we've got all these sayings and all these kinds of things
27:19
that that really tied back to these ancient traditions, and I feel that a
27:23
lot of it was just early manifestation techniques. And at the end of the
27:29
day, if somebody was a cast a spell or a curse or you know,
27:33
a spell of protection or those things, they're essentially just I mean the
27:37
way that I see it, and I hope I'm not going to offend any
27:40
wicked people here, you know, given affirmations or you know, sort of
27:45
desires for the future, you know, like like what you want to happen,
27:48
you're just speaking it into reality and concentrating on that. And I saw
27:52
parallels between you know, how we talked today about manifesting our best lives and
27:57
all that kind of fun stuff. What did you discover in your studies about
28:02
feminine mysticism and feminine magic? A lot it's just just a very unfair treatment
28:10
of particularly of women, as we all know, you know, from even
28:15
if you haven't really looked that deeply into it. We all know about the
28:18
scene on Witch trials and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, one thing
28:22
that I found really fascinating was and I'll just have to look at my notes
28:26
here, because unfortunately this stuff doesn't roll off my tongue so easily. But
28:30
yeah, towards the end of the twelve hundreds, there was there was a
28:36
somebody that they were called Begins. It's not spelled. It's kind of you
28:40
would pronounce it like big inn, but it's it's got more of a twister
28:42
it when you spell it. But it was kind of like a new genre
28:47
of mysticism that evolved into a kind of a speculative, speculative kind of sense
28:52
of knowing rather than the rhetoric of the religion at the time, and pretty
28:56
much how we experienced mediumship and spirituality today. And it had spaces in Christianity,
29:00
but it was more to do with just you know, believing that the
29:04
divine or the universe or the all that is at an intuitive level was really
29:11
you know, where it's at, rather than rather than forehead following the you
29:14
know, the religious doctrines of the time. And and I just found these
29:18
these characters very interesting. So there were there weren't nuns, but they almost
29:22
did the job of nuns, but they didn't have the confines of the church,
29:26
but they would work with nuns and they would work with monks. But
29:30
they started getting the blame for a lot of stuff because they were kind of
29:33
spouting this very you know, poetic rhetoric of spirituality, and essentially the church
29:38
didn't like them and just started buying them at the stake. There was one
29:42
story that I came across about and sorry, this, how can I put
29:48
this without it sending to graphics. So they lived in the next door to
29:53
the monastery of monks around this period of time, and monks started talking of
29:59
how very overly pleasant dreams. I think that's the plightest way to put it.
30:03
And the immediate culprit was these these women, these begins that got the
30:07
blame because they were the ones that were, you know, spouting all of
30:11
this free love kind of stuff. And I really felt that that was of
30:15
course, the witch was mentioned in the Bible as well, but it really
30:18
felt that that was the beginning of the witch as we kind of knowa today.
30:23
And they essentially, yeah, that that's where the burning at the stakes
30:27
started and went through the fifteenth eighteenth centuries, and yeah, they again,
30:33
these women, they lot of wrote, I wrote a lot of poetry,
30:37
published on poetry, and refused to sort of you know, take them off
30:41
bookshelves. And yeah, they essentially started the church started burning them at the
30:45
stake and turned witch hunting into a into a into a thing. Now.
30:52
I wonder if men had started this practice, if they would have received the
30:56
same punishment, exactly, I wonder. I wonder. Yeah, there was
31:00
to it that I'd like to say, but it's not it's not on the
31:03
on the top of my head. But yeah, there was a lot around
31:06
that as well that you know, initially, and we're going back to sort
31:08
of ancient Mesopotamia, the women had the you know that were very much revered
31:14
like as healers and spiritual healers, and and at some point, from what
31:18
I understood, men just didn't really like this anymore and and sort of stepped
31:22
in and took on the role of exorcists and all these kind of things and
31:26
control. It's all about control exactly, exactly. Yeah, and it manifests
31:33
in many different ways, not only in that way. So very unfortunate.
31:37
Yeah, just just to finish that up, like one of the most fascinating
31:40
things as well, was that the so that we had something in the UK
31:44
called the Witchcraft Act, which was essentially was you know, legal witch hunting,
31:48
and that wasn't abolished until nineteen fifty one, which is my goodness.
31:52
I mean, I don't think anyone was doing it anymore, but but if
31:53
you did, it would be legal. Unbelievable. Please share with us about
32:00
your time studying with the Shabans. Well, I've met a couple of interesting
32:06
people along the way. I was always a fan of coming to the States.
32:10
I traveled around Mexico briefly, and well, when I say briefly,
32:15
I didn't really stay in any one place for very long. Also, around
32:20
the Caribbean, I was kind of lucky enough to see all that. I
32:23
would love to see much more of America, that's for sure, and Canada
32:27
too. But yeah, along the way, I was lucky enough to study
32:31
with a couple of Shamans, one man called Puma Singona and Manari Ushiga,
32:37
who is part of the Sapara nation. I'm not going to sort of go
32:42
into their story. I think it's their story, but what I found was
32:45
the what I was really intrigued by were very much the similarities between their way
32:51
of looking at the world and essentially mediumship. Like I felt that a lot
32:57
of what they talked about, especially meditation and journeying as they would call it,
33:02
they're essentially you know, guided meditations like we would do today. And
33:07
I felt like there was very strong parallels between their beliefs and particularly with mediumship.
33:14
Yeah. I had taken a class many years ago and there was a
33:16
teacher who was a shaman from South America. Yeah, and he used to
33:21
talk about in the practice that he did of sitting down and allowing the energy
33:27
field to open up before him, and being able to see and identify aberrations
33:31
in the energy field and being able to work with and correct those. Did
33:36
you experience that also, Yeah? Absolutely, I mean it all sounds very
33:39
familiar. I think that. I mean, this sounds if I'd have heard
33:42
somebody say this a few years ago, I would have just instantly dismissed it.
33:45
But in learning about mediumship and learning about spirit guides, you know,
33:51
it seems that everybody in their and their grandmother in these communities has a has
33:54
a Indigenous American as a spirit guide, you know, And almost to the
34:02
point that it's slightly offensive, I think so I'm sort of trying to tread
34:07
very lightly here, but I did have a really fascinating experience that in meditation
34:13
that a lady sort of appeared and presented herself to me, and she presented
34:16
herself as a young Native American, which I thought was amazing. And I've
34:22
got a couple of words come through, and this sounds a little bit random
34:27
or whatever, but humblebee was one strange word that came fu and it was
34:31
very the whole vision was like part of nature. And she presented me with
34:35
a sunflower, and then this word humbleby stuck with me and I thought,
34:38
well, what a strange way to talk about a bee, right, I'd
34:43
never heard anyone say that before. And I kind of looked this up,
34:45
just you know, this term up straight after the meditation, and apparently that
34:51
was like a way to describe a bumblebee. The that it was, yeah,
34:58
that they would refer to them as humblebe And I've never heard of this
35:00
before, and I kind of just you know, these things tend to pop
35:04
in that I believe aren't part of you know, something that I've heard before
35:07
and I've just sort of stored away or what have you. There's been more
35:10
profound things than that. But the next night I did go to watch another
35:15
demonstration of mediumship, and when the way I talk about this, I was
35:19
only doing it, probably only did it five or six times at the same
35:22
church, and the medium came to me and he immediately bought up something about
35:29
a Native American lady with me, and I said, well, that's kind
35:30
of interesting because I believe I met a last night, you know, and
35:35
pretty much described what I saw, so that really, you know, pieced
35:39
my interest in looking into those traditions as well. But yeah, I feel
35:44
like it's almost a rite of passage as the medium to sort of look into
35:50
look into those traditions, and you know, sort of it's it's a very
35:54
sensitive subject because again I don't want to, I don't want to, you
35:58
know, bringe on on any cultural appropriation, you know. So I feel
36:02
like that it's yeah, that it's it's kind of a I'd sort of dove
36:07
into it headlong and thinking wow, this is amazing and learning all of these
36:10
things, and and then sort of as I've step back a little, I
36:14
thought, well, is it mine to share? You know, It's it's
36:15
not really my story. I'm just kind of just fascinated by the again by
36:21
the similarities. There's a fascinating section in Glowing Deeper that goes very deeply into
36:27
the metaphysics of time and living in them. Now, which is something you
36:31
had experienced, Please elaborate on this and what inspired it. Well, I
36:36
just think it's such a you know, it's such an interesting thing. Like
36:38
I had that very overwhelming experience that that very much left a mark on me,
36:43
and I feel that that keeps coming up again and again, Like I
36:46
keep coming back to that. As much as I'm very much interested in mediumship,
36:52
it seems to be that that I feel that that's my I don't know
36:57
if it's a gift, but after that whole experience that I had, I
37:00
felt like I came away with a very well new way of looking at the
37:04
world. I felt a lot humbler. I felt like my ego had been
37:06
smashed to pieces. You know, I very much thought that I was sort
37:09
of going out of my mind for one of a better term. I would
37:13
never, you know, sort of dismiss mental illness of anyone's anymore, but
37:20
it was it was such an overwhelming experience. It kind of left a trace
37:23
with me, and I felt very able to just sort of tune into the
37:28
moment of now kind of a will, you know, and I found I
37:32
know a lot of people find meditation quite difficult or visualization and things like that,
37:37
and I feel like it comes kind of easy. And I believe that
37:40
it was probably to do with that experience, you know, of just sort
37:44
of tuning right into this moment. But yeah, you know, if you
37:47
look at science that it seems to be that they've got two various different schools
37:52
have thought on it, and one is that there is an A to B.
37:54
You know, that we have a past and we have a future or
37:58
the end of this timeline that is that is moving forward, and we've all
38:01
got these shared experiences in the past that we can agree upon and that's behind
38:06
of and behind us, forgive me. And then you know, the other
38:08
other sense is that there is only now and there's always only ever been now,
38:13
and that is ultimate reality, and time as we as we measure it
38:17
doesn't really exist because it's just now all the time. And that opens up
38:22
a huge, a huge conversation, like I don't even know how to articulate
38:28
it just off the top of my head, but essentially, if everything's sorry,
38:31
Yeah, no, go ahead, I'm sorry. No. No.
38:34
Well, you know, if if all we ever had have had is now
38:37
and all we've got us now, then then it sort of opens up the
38:39
idea that, you know, everything that's ever happened is happening right now,
38:43
and everything that could ever happen is possibly happening right now on you know,
38:47
and that sort of goes into multi dimensions and the theory that there are different
38:52
timelines going off in every direction that we can switch to. And and that's
38:55
really sort of where when people talk about manifestation, you know, that essentially
39:00
leads to that. And you share a series of wonderful meditations in Glowing Deeper,
39:07
and one of them is just about that about living in the now.
39:08
Would you share it with us? Absolutely? Yeah, it's a very light
39:12
one. It's not you know, no one's going to end up having the
39:15
experience that I had first hand of. But this is I think this is
39:19
a really nice introduction to just sort of being with the present moment, and
39:23
it's beneficial. I think no matter what kind of direction you're going, whether
39:28
you're interested in mediumship or not, I feel that we could all just you
39:30
know, take a moment and just be aware of our surroundings. Another benefit
39:35
to this one is that it's if you find meditation difficult, this is one
39:38
way you can really use your surroundings or any sort of distractions actually to take
39:43
you deeper into it. So, first of all, sit in a comfortable
39:47
position with a straight back, close your eyes, and then take a few
39:51
deep, grounding breaths, either through your nose and mouth, whichever you prefer.
39:58
Now that you're breathing with turns and no, and simply pay attention to
40:00
it for a few moments. If your brain the dense, attempts to distract
40:04
you with random thoughts, then just bring your focus back to your breath.
40:10
Next, begin to notice your heartbeat, Feel it in your chest. Notice
40:15
the beautiful symmetry between your heart beating and your breath flowing in and out,
40:19
out of sync but completely in unison. Meditate on your heartbeat, your mother's
40:25
heartbeat. What's the first thing that you experience in your suspended state in the
40:29
womb. Even if you are able to physically hear, you can still tune
40:32
into your own rhythm of your own heart and your breath. The breath flows
40:37
in and out, the heart dictates the rhythm of your life, and you
40:39
can always connect back to your original home the heartbeat that your mother passed from
40:45
myself to you. Take time to sit with it now and explore the deeper
40:50
connections that you have. Now, begin to notice the sounds in your environment.
40:59
In fact, take all of your attention to the sounds in your environment.
41:01
Imagine that for the time being, it's your only sense. Scan the
41:06
world around you for sound. Notice as many as you can. Spend a
41:08
few seconds on each sound, and then move to the next. Don't give
41:12
them a backstory, just simply hear them, note them, and move on.
41:15
A clock ticking, a car passing by, a dog barking, a
41:21
door being slammed, the washing machine weirring. Now slowly expand your hearing to
41:30
distance sounds. Maybe there's a train rolling by somewhere far away. Perhaps there's
41:35
the laughter of children and a playground across the street. Focus for a few
41:38
seconds on each sound, zoom in on it with your ears. Let the
41:44
other sounds fall away as your focus becomes laserlike and moves across great distances to
41:47
experience the sound in the here and then. Now, all you're doing is
41:52
listening and being aware now, bring your awareness back to your breath and pay
42:04
attention to it. Listen to the sound of your breathing, and let it
42:07
connect you with your place in the world, in the here and the now.
42:12
Let all of the sounds around you blend with the sound of your breath.
42:15
Whatever sounds arise, simply take note of them in an unbreaking stream of
42:20
awareness of the ongoing moment of now. There is only now. When you're
42:29
ready, let the sounds drift back out to your peripheral awareness, and bring
42:31
your attention back to your physical self sitting in the present moment. Feel your
42:37
feet on the floor, fail your hands on your lap, the arms of
42:39
your chair. Become aware of any itches or blitches throughout your body, Take
42:45
a deep breath, and lope anyways. Thank you so much for sharing that
42:53
with us and helping us to achieve that state of being in the now without
42:59
the distractions normally interrupt aren't they. My guest is Phil Webster. His book
43:05
is called Glowing Deeper. We'll be back with more Phil after these words on
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is Phil Webster his new book Glowing Deeper. Phil, you had touched upon
45:50
this a little bit earlier. How do our memories connect us to the metaphysical
45:54
experience? Absolutely? I felt the you know that that usually, like every
46:01
every memory that we have, like you know, fits nicely into something that
46:05
we can relate to. You know, when we experience something, we typically
46:08
have like a comparison to an event from the past that we can you know,
46:13
compare it to, and and then it becomes relatable, you know,
46:16
basically your likes and dislikes it, you know, and this happens like in
46:20
an instant For example, you know, you'll see somebody, let's say,
46:22
at a party that has red hair, and that person will remind you of
46:24
somebody else that you know who had red hair, and and you'll make it
46:29
an instant decision sort of based on them, whether whether you like them or
46:31
not. But you know, or you can be walking down a street and
46:37
you know, a car will go over a bump and make a loud bang
46:39
and make a jump. But then instantly your brain will be like, okay,
46:43
I recognize that, and I don't know what that means. A car
46:45
going over a bump, makes a loud noise, there's no threat, and
46:47
you get on with your day. But I also feel that, you know,
46:51
when we have a mystical experience, the brain then tries to do the
46:53
same thing. It kind of tries to relate it to something that's happened in
46:57
the past, and but it recognizes experiences is new, and it kind of
47:00
doesn't know what to do with it, you know, because it's not it's
47:02
not familiar territory. So I think that these experiences, they often come in
47:07
as feelings, you know, even as a physical feeling that doesn't have any
47:12
logic behind it, like for example, your your hair stands up on the
47:15
back of your neck or something like that. Or then it's just typically like
47:19
an innate sense of knowing that that's that's purely subjective and brand new and you've
47:23
got no experience to compare it with, and you know, or sometimes you
47:28
know, you'll see something that doesn't make any sense, such as a man
47:31
standing next to your mum on a on a video call, you know.
47:37
So I feel that the first few times that we have something like this happened,
47:39
you know, we we easily dismiss them, particularly when they happen out
47:44
of context to you know, the rest of your day. But I think
47:47
that when we start taking note of them, then they start happening more often.
47:53
And you know, I suppose a skeptic could say that, well,
47:57
you know, when you start looking for these kind of you know, intangible
48:00
things, then you're going to see more of them. But I feel that
48:04
that's truly how it works. And the experiences that I had over that first
48:07
year in particular, when I really started taking note of them and then sitting
48:10
in meditation and kind of opening myself up to these to these events that you
48:15
know, that I was welcoming in that they did start happening more often,
48:21
and then I did have something to compare them to. And there was a
48:22
few sort of quite profound ones that you know, that I experienced that the
48:28
other people that I was with experience. And then again learning about mediumship,
48:31
you know, some of the you know, I'm very much at the start
48:34
of my journey with it, but in practice, some of the information that
48:37
I've gave to people, I know that I don't know those things, you
48:40
know, I'll just go with what I see and and so far, so
48:45
good, you know, I seem to be getting a pretty good success rate
48:47
with it. So I think, at the end of the day, yeah,
48:50
you know, you just got to really the key is to just start
48:53
trusting your intuition and and you know what really feels true to you. And
49:00
I think the key to finding that is again back to meditation. One of
49:05
the gifts that have raced my life since my mid to late thirties have been
49:09
synchronicities, which are meaningful coincidences without causal connection, according to the Carl Jung
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who defined it that way. And I found that every time one of these
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synchronicities occur, I have three choices. I could either say dismiss it out
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of hand. I could say, you know, that's interesting, but not
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right now. Where I could say yes and embrace it right now. And
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every time I would say that, big why, yes, the next one
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would come, and the next one would come. Is that what we're talking
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about? Yeah? I believe it is. I believe it is. Yeah,
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it's worth taking notes of these things. You know. I just feel
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like again, I know, I sort of keep hopping back to meditation again,
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but I feel that's really the key to you know, we all have
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and I'm not the first person to say this, but we all, you
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know, we've got these constant this constant variage of thoughts come and then you
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know, we're thinking about up team, you know, things at the same
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time. And I feel that when you can just take a few moments to
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step back from that and realize that we're not those thoughts and that you're kind
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of this observer at the back of it all watching this whole thing play out,
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then you begin to recognize that inner voice, you know. And the
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more you get to recognize that in a voice, I feel that that that's
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the one that takes notice. That's like the sign and observer in the background
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that will tell you that when these things do come up or whatever, they
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may be mystical events of all sorts. I think of an example. Then
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you start to realize, ah, I think these are these are actually a
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thing, and you start taking notice. And yeah, and I believe that
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synchronisis is especially the thing seems to start flowing when when you can get into
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that, into that state of just trusting your intuition. What is what you
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call the slipstream super highway. Ah, thank you, Yeah, well that's
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exactly what I'm talking about. I think that's just acknowledging that, but that
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we really have this, that there's this you know, other other kind of
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other realities running alongside us that we don't really take any notice of. You
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know, we get caught up and paying the bills and and you have to
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write you know, we are having a physical experience. We you know,
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bills have to be paid. You know, you've got to feed your kids,
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We've got to you know, do all these things to make ends meet.
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But I think there is something a more subtler world running along beside us.
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And I believe that if you once you jump onto it, then you
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can really you know, just just jump on for the ride. And that's
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h Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, the slipstream super Highway. And
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I also believe that, you know that that kind of branches out into talking
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about I think a popular term in in spiritual communities at the moment is talking
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about shifting timelines and you know, sort of seeing yourself on that on that
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timeline where where you would rather be. And I genuinely believe that it's possible.
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There's nuts as this sounds, and I would have thought this was nuts
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a few years ago. It's very genuinely possible to jump over onto one of
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those timelines. Yeah, how may we learn to find and connect with our
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guides and more importantly listen to them? Absolutely again, So I'm like a
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broken record with this, But meditation it really is the key. And if
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you know, somebody finds it difficult to kind of sit in the stillness for
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a moment, one thing you really don't have to do is, you know,
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try too hard, Like, don't worry we're going to get distracted by
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thoughts. You know when I sit in meditation, I'm getting distracted by my
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thoughts all the time. The key is to just come back to the breath
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and just come back to the moment and come back to your physical self.
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And then and then the thoughts tend to sort of go out, keep going
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in the background once you don't take any notice of them. And I feel
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like when you get good at recognizing that you're not part of that whole you
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know, passing parade that's just going to keep trying to distract her all the
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whole time, then you start to become aware of your own voice. And
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then if you were some inclined, I said, look into or reach out
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to spirit, guides you do start to recognize when another voice comes in that's
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neither your intuition or your you know, passing parade of thoughts. Then he
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begins to recognize that the space for more to come in. Yeah. I've
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been blessed with that throughout my life and in particular, like I shared in
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my mid to late thirties, but one story stands out in particular for me
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personally. In nineteen seventy five, I was in the United States Air Force
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and I was stationed in Korea, and one morning I heard the voice say,
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your mother needs to hear from you. She needs to hear your voice.
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She's ill and you must call her. And I always listen to that
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voice. And so, six thousand miles away from Korea and New York,
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I called one morning and my mother, and in those days we had extension
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telephones. My sister answered the phone simultaneously and I said, Mom, is
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there anything wrong? And my sister says, oh my god, how did
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he find out? And it turned out she was scheduled for me your surgery
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the next day, and the voice told me to tell her the surgery would
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be a complete success. She'd have a complete and quick recovery, everything would
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be fine. She needed to hear those words from me, and obviously that's
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what transpired afterwards. So I've always learned to listen to that voice. Yeah,
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that's amazing. Yeah, you know this has been a that's a beautiful
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story. Absolutely. Yeah for me. You know this, I'm near in
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my fifties and this is the first time that I've that I've started to listen
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to it, you know, the last couple of years. Yeah, I
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wishould have I wishould have done it earlier. What would you like readers to
54:34
take away from Glowing Deeper. Yeah, I mean I think that that's it
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really like, if you are interested in in I feel like Glowing Deeper is
54:42
a bit more of an intermediate intermediate sort of journey that the meditations in their
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range, and I've actually marked them as you know, sort of beginner and
54:51
intermediate meditations. But it's probably I would say, Letting Glow Like I say,
54:55
it is more like a soft introduction to spirituality. Glowing Who is kind
55:00
of a little bit more for the for the season practitioner. But yeah,
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there are lots of lots of meditations in there. Observations on grief. I
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was kind of you know, observing my own journey as I went along the
55:10
way. And then yeah, a lot a lot about different esoteric traditions really,
55:15
and I feel that there's a lot just again about what we've been talking
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about. And I feel that, you know, from revisiting these things,
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for example, tuning into your to your childhood self, there's a there's a
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great meditation to do that. And when you kind of can go back to
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tap into what you really wanted to do, you know before before everything else
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got in the way, I feel like it can be a very beneficial,
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beneficial journey. Yeah. My guest is Phil Webster. His brand new book,
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which actually comes out Dobruary first, is called Glowing Deeper. Phil,
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please share with our listeners again where they can get your books and find out
55:50
more about you. Absolutely so. Yeah, the main stopping point, I
55:52
guess is Amazon. We can all get our books from there. It's available
55:57
as a as a digital book. Also, were Noble and all of the
56:00
wonderful bookstores. And if you have an independent bookstore, you're still blessed to
56:05
have an independent bookseller near you go to that bookseller and say I want a
56:08
copy of Blowing Deeper. Bill, Thank you so much for joining us and
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sharing everything that you've shared. Thank you for having me on It's been it's
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been great talking to you, and thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited.
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I'm Victor the Voice Kerman. Have a wonderful week.