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Dennis Nilsen – Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Well, see, I I've seen people go both the first,
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  Speaker 2: it with one foot, then.
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  Speaker 1: I'll put on your second second, No, I have to
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  Speaker 1: put I put both on for.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, that's funny. I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but holy moly, holy.
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  Speaker 2: A big old pot of macaroni.
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  Speaker 1: The case today, Like I just HiT's wild. It is wild,
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  Speaker 1: Like I can't make up this shit. Like it's nuts,
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  Speaker 1: just nuts. I'm just preparing everyone.
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  Speaker 2: It's just nuts. It's a big old bag of nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nuts, It's a sack of nuts.
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  Speaker 2: of nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So it's the case of Dennis Nilsen, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't I feel like quite a few people know him,
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  Speaker 1: but then a lot of people don't. I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like he's super He's not like a super popular true
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  Speaker 1: crime case, but he should be because it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I know this case. I don't know very well, but
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  Speaker 2: I know the basics of this case.
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  Speaker 1: Wild.
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  Speaker 2: It's nuts, Okay. It's a big old beg of.
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  Speaker 1: Nuts, a beg old saka nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, was it a sack or I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: a bag?
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  Speaker 1: Who knows? It's one of them. It's just it's just
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  Speaker 1: one of those.
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  Speaker 2: It's bananas. Shit is bananas. It's beat Okay, Sorry, I
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  Speaker 2: got like my add is just on fire.
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  Speaker 1: You're like really outgoing, and I feel like I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of the opposite. So this is going to go well,
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  Speaker 1: I think, Okay, So Dennis the Dead Air Dennis was
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  Speaker 1: born on November twenty third, nineteen forty five, in fraser Borough, Scotland.
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  Speaker 1: Going over to Scotland, oh, I was like, did I
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  Speaker 1: already's pronounce something wrong or do something wrong? The way
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  Speaker 1: you looked at me to Scotland it looked so beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: So he was the second child, born of three children.
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  Speaker 1: Dennis's mother, Betty, was a religious Scottish woman, and his father, Lof,
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  Speaker 1: was a former Norwegian soldier. They married in nineteen forty two,
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  Speaker 1: but their marriage was not all sunshine and roses. Dennis's
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  Speaker 1: father was an alcoholic with very little interest in the family.
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  Speaker 2: Oh cool, which.
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  Speaker 1: Not great, and they would actually get a divorce in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight, with Dennis's father basically completely abandoning the family.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, deadbeat dad style.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he had no interest.
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  Speaker 2: At first. I was like ohl Off, that's a dope name,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like doing cool shit. And now I'm just
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  Speaker 2: like ol Off. Yea douche.
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  Speaker 1: I knows he sucks. So Dennis's grandparents on his mother's side,
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  Speaker 1: especially his grandfather Andrew, played a huge role in Dennis's life.
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  Speaker 1: They were quite supportive of the divorce as they never
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  Speaker 1: actually had approved of Dennis's father, so they knew they
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  Speaker 1: knew something was up with that dude. Dennis would have
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  Speaker 1: fond memories of going on long walks with his grandfather
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  Speaker 1: as he carried him on his shoulders and shared stories
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  Speaker 1: with him as his time at sea. Andrew was a
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  Speaker 1: fisherman and when he was off at sea, Dennis would
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  Speaker 1: say his life would be empty until his grandfather returned home.
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  Speaker 1: Once again.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's pretty fucking like adorable right there. I
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  Speaker 2: know that's heart melted.
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  Speaker 1: He just loves and his grandfather shared the same love,
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  Speaker 1: like they were like two peas.
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  Speaker 2: And like that's that's what you would expect, like a
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  Speaker 2: silhouette of like a grandpa and the sun, like walking
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  Speaker 2: on a beach in a photo in a basic white
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  Speaker 2: bitches houses his live left low above it come from?
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  Speaker 2: That's like what every every like?
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  Speaker 1: Oh the quote you mean? Oh okay? I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was picturing some some basic bees house in the background
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  Speaker 1: with that on their nose.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's a picture frame that someone picked up from like.
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  Speaker 1: From Winners or what's Michaels.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm thinking that? What's that one that you really like?
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  Speaker 2: That Barnes Place or something urban barn, urban barn, Barnes
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  Speaker 2: and Noble or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pottery barn, target, tar fucking tucking target. Okay. We
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  Speaker 1: had a target in Canada, more than one, a few,
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  Speaker 1: quite a few for quite a while in Canada actually
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  Speaker 1: a year, and then they all just close and I
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  Speaker 1: was heart broken.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know why they closed?
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  Speaker 1: Because didn't they bash us or something? Or they they
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  Speaker 1: made prices higher?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because they they came over. Sorry we're going
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  Speaker 2: off track here for a moment. When they came to Canada,
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  Speaker 2: they opened a ship ton of stores.
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  Speaker 1: With the Vengeance.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And then when they are coming in, it
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  Speaker 2: was questioning, like a complete interview. They're like, oh, so
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  Speaker 2: you're like, you're going to drop your prices for like
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  Speaker 2: to a Canadian currency, and like the CEO was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: Canadians pay more, why would we do that? So then
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  Speaker 2: people just boy.
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  Speaker 1: Caught the store. Like it was never busy in there,
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  Speaker 1: and they always had so much stock, which is another
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  Speaker 1: reason I loved it. But they screwed up. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: oh well, okay, so yeah, we have that picture perfect
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  Speaker 1: of Dennis and his grandfather, and this is even more
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  Speaker 1: picture perfect. Dennis described him as his great hero and protector. Wow, Like, oh, however,
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  Speaker 1: it's always a fucking however.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: This would come to an end in nineteen fifty one
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  Speaker 1: when his grandfather's health would decline, and on October thirty,
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  Speaker 1: first Halloween, he was found drifting the North Sea dead
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  Speaker 1: from a heart attack at the age of sixty two.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shit, Dennis was only six. Okay, but the only
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  Speaker 1: thing that I do love about that because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's kind of peaceful. He died like probably doing
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  Speaker 1: something he loved, like drifting at sea. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: could have been horrific and he might have needed help,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I feel like, when you die.
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  Speaker 2: Was he on a boat or just like face down
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  Speaker 2: in the water.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was fishing, like he was doing his job,
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  Speaker 1: like he's been a fisherman.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but he was on a boat, not in the water.
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  Speaker 1: He was on a boat okay. Oh yeah, if he
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  Speaker 1: just found just a floating now, well, that that's what.
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  Speaker 2: My picture was. He was just like face down in
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  Speaker 2: the water.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was like on his boat.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, okay, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: Just drifting. So I feel like he just died doing
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  Speaker 1: probably what he loved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's is where I'm going. That's a lot better
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  Speaker 2: than what I imagined in my head. Good lord, I
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  Speaker 2: am a host of a true crime podcast, so my
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  Speaker 2: imagination went it really did.
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  Speaker 1: A memory Dennis would later describe as one of his
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  Speaker 1: most vivid childhood memories was his weeping mother when she
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  Speaker 1: asked whether he wanted to see his grandfather. He of
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  Speaker 1: course did, but at six, maybe not fully grasping what
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  Speaker 1: death was Yeah. He was taken into the room where
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  Speaker 1: his grandfather lay in an open coffin. As Dennis Glate gazed, glazed,
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  Speaker 1: gazed at the body, his mother told him his grandfather
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  Speaker 1: was sleeping and said he had gone to a better place.
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  Speaker 1: One report saying at that time, Dennis wondered, if his
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  Speaker 1: grandfather wasn't a better place, why wouldn't he have taken
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  Speaker 1: him with him?
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Like, oh my god, that is both like insanely
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  Speaker 2: pure and insanely ominous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he was just a six year
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  Speaker 1: old boy, Like, if Grandpa's going to a better place,
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  Speaker 1: why am I not there?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I know that is why. It's insanely pure. But
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like spelling out for him in the later years.
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  Speaker 2: It's like almost very ominous for what's to come. Like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like it's almost like Batman. His parents die and it's
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  Speaker 2: like he comes back with the vengeance or Batman could
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  Speaker 2: have gone fucking dark in the depressive way, same sort
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  Speaker 2: of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Totally, Yeah, absolutely So the years that fall followed his
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  Speaker 1: grandfather's death, Dennis would become more quiet and withdrawn. He
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  Speaker 1: rarely participated in family activities and avoided the family's attempt
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  Speaker 1: to give him any affection, though he would be jealous
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  Speaker 1: at the amount of effect attention his mother and grandmother
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  Speaker 1: would give his siblings. That's kind of sad. He did
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  Speaker 1: have the closest where He had at the closest relationship
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  Speaker 1: with his younger sister, who he would often talk to
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  Speaker 1: or play games with. In nineteen fifty four or nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty five, he had an incident at the beach. He
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  Speaker 1: was probably there. He would spend time at the beach,
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  Speaker 1: often remembering the time with his grandfather as they would
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  Speaker 1: go on long walks. Right, But this time he became
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  Speaker 1: submerged under the water, panicking as he was almost being
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  Speaker 1: dragged out to sea, but he recalled that his grandfather
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  Speaker 1: was about to arrive and pull him out before experience
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  Speaker 1: a sense of tranquility. His life was, however, saved by
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  Speaker 1: another youth who dragged him ashore.
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  Speaker 2: Why do I get the sense that he's just gonna
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  Speaker 2: be pissed that his life was saved.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he was. No. Oh, okay, no, okay, no,
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  Speaker 1: that was just I just threw that in there because
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  Speaker 1: it just He actually ended up writing a book, so
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  Speaker 1: there was quite a bit of details about his life
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  Speaker 1: leading up to what he does, and I felt like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't always have that, So I'm doing quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit of lead up here because you really get.
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  Speaker 2: To understand a lot more he is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So shortly after Dennis is near Miss, the family
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  Speaker 1: would move out of Dennis's grandparents' home and into a
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  Speaker 1: home of their own. His mother also later remarrying, with
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  Speaker 1: the family moving to Stricken in nineteen fifty five and
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  Speaker 1: adding four more children to the family. As Dennis would
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  Speaker 1: begin puberty, he would start questioning his sexuality, believing that
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  Speaker 1: he was gay. This initially confused and shamed him, and
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  Speaker 1: he kept this a secret from his family and hit
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  Speaker 1: the few friends that he did have. Because you see
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  Speaker 1: homosexuality among men, I'm assuming it's both genders. But I
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  Speaker 1: what I was looking at the article just sat among
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  Speaker 1: men was actually illegal in Scotland until nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's still illegal around the.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm just like, gosh, I just find that
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  Speaker 1: so shocking.
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  Speaker 2: But oh, and it's so shocking that people have had
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  Speaker 2: to have deal dealt with that sort of stuff in
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  Speaker 2: their life. It's like hiding who they are, which is scary.
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  Speaker 2: But thankfully we're actually getting to a point where it's
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  Speaker 2: less and less, so that's at least good. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's terrible that he had to go through that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hiding your true self I don't think is a
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  Speaker 1: good It doesn't come out with a good outcome.
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  Speaker 2: No, but there are some people out there that I
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  Speaker 2: wish would hide their true self because it's like cock
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  Speaker 2: shut up. Yes, I know a few of those people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. At one point, he realized many of
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  Speaker 1: the boys he was attracted to had similar facial features
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  Speaker 1: as his younger sister. On one occasion, he sexually fondled
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  Speaker 1: his sister, thinking that his attraction towards boys might be
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  Speaker 1: a manifestation of the care he felt for her.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry, I'm just like lily grossed out right now.
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  Speaker 1: That's really gross. This also made him believe he might
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  Speaker 1: be bisexual. He would also go about fondling his older
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  Speaker 1: brother one night as his brother was sleeping, this resulting
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  Speaker 1: in his brother suspecting he was gay, causing him to
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  Speaker 1: bully Dennis. So basically he was confused with his sexuality
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  Speaker 1: and then experimenting on his siblings I suppose, and then
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  Speaker 1: also now getting bullied by his brother.
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  Speaker 2: Which is really fucking weird. I mean, I understand we
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  Speaker 2: all go through some weird shit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my growing up as fucked.
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  Speaker 2: It's really fucked. But I mean, I don't know. That's
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  Speaker 2: just weird. Like we should all know, should I mean
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  Speaker 2: should is maybe not, because it's all depending on how
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  Speaker 2: you're taught and growing up. We all should know that,
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  Speaker 2: like siblings is really fucking weird.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Off limits.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, family is off limits. Yeah, it's just not right.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: But again that that depends on how you're raised. Really,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: how are you to know better unless you're taught that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe I guess I don't know. Let's move on. Let's
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: move on.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's a weird conversation.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So at the age of fourteen, Dennis needed an escape, obviously,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and he joined the Army Cadet Force, viewing the British
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Army as a potential avenue for escaping. His rule origins, Sorry,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I count why I pause that, I pause really oddly
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: because I think I missed something, but I didn't, so
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I just got going.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: No, you're good. I think I don't see your notes.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: But no, I'm good.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: You're good.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty one, Dennis would finish school briefly
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: working in a cannery factory canning factory before deciding to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: join the army, where he intended to train as a chef.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: As a chef, that's an odd choice if you're going
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to like, I'm going to go to the army. It's
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: not very often you say I'm going to go to
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the army and be.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: A chef and something that I haven't thrown in here actually,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: which this could be a good place him training as
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a chef and learning butcher skills may become sandy for him.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So he passed the entrance examinations and received official notification
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: he was to enlist for nine year service in September
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one. With it in weeks, Dennis began to
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: excel in his army duties, loving the structure of military
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: life and the sense of belonging. Gotcha, So that's good
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that he finally feels that, you know, later describing his
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: three years of training in Aldershaw, England as the happiest
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of his life.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Well, that's good.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: While stationed at.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, holy shit, uh, forgive us for a moment we
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: just had, like Snowmageddon fucking just happened.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: In the middle of our podcast that was nuts.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, long story shorts. Uh. We we are parked in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: property where with our tiny home where there is a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: big storage shed right next to us, and snow came
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: shooting off it and just like made thunderous noises right
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: beside us. So we were just like, whoa, what.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: The out of me? Actually reapply my fucking deodorant? Like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening here? Like, there's just
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: so un settling. God, there's something every day man in
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: this tiny home.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: So I don't know where the fuck we were? What
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: would you just say?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a good question, you know. Okay, we
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: were talking about how oh he was just basically like
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: liking his time in the military, right, gotcha, because it
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: gave him structure, sense of belonging, YadA, YadA, YadA. So,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: while stationed at Aldershot, Dennis would have all the feelings
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: for his fellow colleagues, but like he did with his family,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he kept his sexual orientation well hidden from them.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's fair.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He never showered in the company of his fellow soldiers
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: for fear of developing an erection in that presence. Instead,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: he would bathe alone in the bathroom. He also started
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: relying on alcohol to help cope with the double life,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: kind of like Mary talked about, he was living and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: then loneliness he was feeling, so he liked. That's like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: so contradictory those two things, right, Like, I think he
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: liked the military and he had friends and stuff there,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: but then he was also hiding his true self, which
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: was causing.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Well, he was able to quietly and discreetly feed fantasies
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the sounds of it, and couldn't act upon those fantasies.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: So there's happiness in being able to indulge himself. But
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you know there's the shadow.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: You wait, you hear what his fantasy actually is?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Did Oh, I'm sure, but I get it. I get it,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: trust me, I'm aware.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: But are you aware?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I'm aware aware, I'm very very well aware.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: So in mid nineteen sixty four, Dennis would pass his
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: initial catering exam and was officially assigned to the first
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Battalion of And this is where it gets interesting, because
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I gotta pronounce some words here of the Royal Fuchilaires
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in Ausenburg, West Germany, where he served as a private
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: in this deployment. He described himself and his colleagues has
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a hard working, boozy lot. So him basically like medicating
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: himself with alcohol was I feel like also kind of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: came with who he was with too, like they're all
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: just like getting together having fun, and he drank like
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: more than he ever would have before. Okay, I understand
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that his colleagues were calling Dennis drinking an excess in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: order to ease his shinness, because he was also like
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit quiet too, right, so we wanted to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: fit in. On one occasion, Dennis and a German Man
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: drank themselves silly. He would awake the next morning on
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the floor of the German the German use flat. No
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: sexual activity occurred, but this incident would fuel Dennis's sexual fantasies,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and this is where the story starts going south.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Shit. Okay, I wonder why this particular incident because it
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: just let his imagination a wild of what they could
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: have done, what.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: He could have done, spent the night at a dude's house, basically,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I guess, right, yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so just kind of fuels that that fantasy, that
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that thought process.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: That exactly who knows what could have So Dennis's sexual
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: fantasies involved his sexual partner being a young, slender male,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: initially being completely passive, but as his fantasies evolved, he
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was fascinated with the idea of his heart his partner
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: being unconscious or even dead.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, what are you.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Not fully listening to that sentence? Oh?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: No, I was. But just like he didn't care.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: He would fascinate about being sexually active with a dead person.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was not like, oh like I prefer living.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It's just like, oh like necrophilias.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: No, I think he prefers necrophilia.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So on many occasions, Dennis would drink in excess, pretend
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: he was in like drunk, in hopes that one of
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: his colleagues would take advantage of him and his supposedly
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: unconscious body, supposedly setting himself up. But that's all I
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: could find about that, so I don't know if anyone
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: actually did, but he wanted it, apparently, so following two
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: years of service in.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Germany, I'm sorry, I just literally picture him being like, oh,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: dear me, I've had too many beer, like hand on
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the forehead, fainting over the couch, ass in the air well.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I even think like he would pretend needing help and stuff,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: so like people, his colleagues would be touching him and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: lead him back to the beduer. Oh my gosh, it's
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: just too much, okay. Following two years of service in Germany,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Dennis would return to Aldershot, where he would pass his
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: official catering exam before being deployed to serve as a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: cook for the British Army in Norway. In nineteen sixty seven,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he was deployed once again to the state of Aiden.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Unlike his previous postings, this posting was not only more dangerous,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: but Dennis got his own room while stationed. This afforded
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: him the privacy to masturbate without discovery and develop on
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: his fantasies of sex with an unconscious or deceased partner,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: using his own body to fulfill his fantasies. Wait what
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you ready?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: How do I want to know how this works? I
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: stopped myself in the midst of saying that do I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: want to know how?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Even earlier you asked me a question or something about
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: this case, and I told him, you're like fucking not
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: asking any other questions.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, go ahead, let's hear it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So Dennis would masturbate while looking at his own flat,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: laying nude body in the mirror, discovering that while using
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: a free standing mirror, he could create an effect whereby
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: if positioning the mirror so his head was out of view,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: he could visualize himself engage in a sexual act with
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: an entirely different person.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: That's fucked up. I mean, that is really fucked up.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: But but he is not harming anyone yet.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: That's just straight weird and it's just odd.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, points, I mean honestly.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he should keep doing this.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Really, that's what he should have kept doing. He should
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: have kept angling the mirror in such a fascinating way,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: angling that mirror.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Just keep doing that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, master magician, the illusions. I want to see that
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: magic show.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not buying tickets to that. His fantasies
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: would gradually evolve to incorporate the dead bodies he'd seen
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and his own near death experience while on this deployment.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Also imagery from a nineteenth century oil painting, which is
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: an which is of an older man holding the limp
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: nude body of a dead youth. Next to him is
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a dismembered body of another young man. He would also
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: often cover his body with are you good?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not that good right now? This is fucking weird.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Let me just get through this last sentence, because it
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: does get a little fun and weirder. He would also
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: often cover his body with telcum powder like baby powder
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and paint his lips blue to give himself the appearance
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of being dead while participating in his sexual fantasies.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Wow again though, like he's not doing anything wrong yet.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It's just no, no, he absolutely isn't. Really.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: All it is is different strokes for different folks.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Oh god, God, I just don't won't if I want
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to talk about that anymore. Dennis would complete his assignment
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in Aiden and be assigned TOST to serve in several
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: other places over the years, but seeming to move often
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: so that only notework. So the only noteworthy experience before
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: he ended his eleven year military career in October nineteen
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: seventy two was his first sexual experience with a female
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: sex worker.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: At this time, okay, he.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Bragged of his encounter to his colleagues, but would later
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: state he found intercourse with the email both overrated and depressing.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Wow and depressing.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Which is like, holy shit, that's quite the way to describe.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: That emotional damage. Sorry, that's that's a thing on TikTok
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he just wasn't into women, so it's like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: but I missed he probably felt pressure to maybe experience that,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: which is kind of shitty, right like, just because at
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that time his ways weren't accepted, which isn't which isn't right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So Dennis would next decide to join the Metropolitan Metropolitan
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Metropolitan Politan Sorry Police and move to London in December
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to begin the training course. In April nineteen seventy three,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Dennis completed his training and was posted to the will
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to Wilston Green, which is an area of northwest London.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Dennis enjoyed working for the police, but he did miss
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like the company and friendship of the army.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: He began hitting up gay pubs and engaging in several
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: casual relationships with men, but view these encounters as sold
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a storing in which he would only lend his partner
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: his body in a vain search for inner peace. What
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: he was really in search for was a lasting relationship.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: That's really sad.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: He has like some very interesting ways of describing shit though,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm assuming most.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Of these descriptions are coming from his bookue.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, you know I are yeah, or
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: other books that were written and stuff that you were
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: using his words and stuff. So so yeah. So come
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: December of nineteen seventy three, so really only about a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: year after deciding to become a police officer, there was
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: an incident where Dennis was in the position to arrest
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: two men he caught having sex in a suspicially suspiciously
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: parked car. He did not arrest them and decided that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: his personal lifestyle was at odds with his job and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: resigned from the place.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Wow, I take balls.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: He chose himself. Yeah, which I was like, good on, Yeah, I.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Mean I know a kind of guy he's gonna become,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and I don't agree with that, but so far, I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: just I feel bad for him, and yeah, good on
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: him for making that choice for himself.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I don't think we should feel bad for him.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I go there. I feel bad for at
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: this moment in his life, for what he's going through.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: As soon as he crosses crosses that threshold, all is
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: not forgiven anymore. You can't forgive that exactly.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So he then worked as a security guard briefly before
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and before finding work as a civil servant, which I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: believe is like working for the government. Now. Shortly after
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: finding stable employment, it was about like the end of
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, Dennis would meet David Gallachan. He crossed
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that pass. I'm talking too fast, and when I soul the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: fuck down here, I'm like so intos I'm breathe, breathe.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I know, I actually forget to breathe sometimes because I'm
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: just like so into this shit. So he crossed paths
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: with David. When he encountered him being threatened outside a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: pub by two men, Dennis intervened the altercation and took
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: David back to his house. The two men would spend
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the evening drinking and getting to know each other. Dennis
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: learning that David was new to London, was gay, unemployed,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and currently living at a hostel, so they decided to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: move in together. In search for a bigger place to share,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: they came across a ground floor flat at nineteen or
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: one nine to five Melrose Avenue. Along with the flat,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Dennis also negotiated with the landlord that the garden at
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the rear of the property would also be exclusively theirs,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and you may just hear a little bit more about
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: this garden a little.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Later, his little garden Eden, although I'm sure it's very
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: much so not Eden, but maybe in his eyes.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: As the new couple settled into their home, they redecorated
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and furnished the home, but their time in Paradise did
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: not last all that long. Dennis would come to realize
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: David lacked the desire to get a job and found
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: himself as the bread rinner in the relationship. Dennis was
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: attracted to David, but would find that they seldom had
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: intercourse and eventually started sleeping in separate beds and eventually
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: would bring home casual sex partners. At that time, dude
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: at Selva. Wow, in my opinion, I.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Mean, there's such thing as polyamorous relationships, but I mean
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: that that has to agreed between them.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: They probably I'm assuming if they were both bringing them home,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they agreed upon it. But yeah, So this was within
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a year of them moving to Melrose Ave. It was
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: an early nineteen seventy seven that the relationship officially ended,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: with David leaving Dennis. David did say that Dennis was
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: verbally abusive and controlling towards him, but was never violent.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: That so there you go. Yeah, and that's odd that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that all took place within like you said, the year
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of them moving in.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like they didn't last long together, but I mean
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they moved in before they even really known each other too. Yeah,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Like it was almost like, oh, we both or you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: need a place to live, I need a companion, let's
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: do this.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Well that that's a quick deterioration though, too. Like when
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you hear of people falling apart like that, like sleeping
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: in separate beds and stuff, usually it's like, well, after
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a decade or so, like people slowly fall apart or
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: grow apart. Well, it's usually a much more slower process,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: not like, oh it's been.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Like they should have still been in like the honeymoon face. Yeah, theoretically, theoretically, theoretically,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: after his relationship with David, Dennis would enter brief relationships
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: with several other men, but none of them lasted for
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: any significant amount of time, and none of the men
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: express any interest in living with David, which is what
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: he does. Ised he just wants love. He does, And
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: with that, the story takes another turn, the turn that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I've been building up to and I'm sure the one
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you've all been waiting for.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, here we go.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: By late nineteen seventy eight, Dennis was feeling especially lonely
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and with numerous short and failed relationships since David, he
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: was feeling he was basically unfit to have a companion
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: live with him, so he took measures into his own hands.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Fuck deep breaths, sing.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I gotta have a big swig.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Swig at your bear. He had just spent Christmas alone
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and was determined not to also spend New Year's Eve alone.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So after a day of drinking alone, he decided he
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: must at all costs leave his house to seek some company.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: He headed to Crinklewood Arms Pub, where where he met
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Stephen Holmes, a fourteen year old boy who was in
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the city attending a concert for context. Dennis at that
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: time was thirty three.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Fuck twice eight over twice his age.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, Stephen only being fourteen. And there's mixed reports here,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so some say he was denied alcohol at the pub
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and some say he was drinking, which impaired his decision
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: making skills when it came to Dennis. But either way,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I think fourteen is a very impressionable age. Oh, he
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: was probably on cloud nine from just attending a concert
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to go to, and he was flattered
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: an older man in the city actually wanted to hang
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: out with him, so, drinking or not, I could see
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: this playing out the way it did.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's understandable.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: David invited Stephen back to his place, where the two
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of them drank plenty of alcohol, listened to music, and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: then fell asleep. David would wake up first the following
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: morning and find Stephen sleeping peacefully in the bed beside him.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: He caressed the sleeping youth, afraid to wake him. He
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: felt as soon as Stephen woke up and found him
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in the situation he was, he would leave. So instead,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Dennis came up with a way to force Stephen to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: stay forever. Fuck Besides, he needed a companionship over the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: new year. Stephen would then be awoken in the most
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: terrifying of ways.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Ah, here we go.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: David had slipped a necktie around his neck, straddled him,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and was beginning to strangle him. He strangled him until
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: he was unconscious, but soon realized that Stephen was still
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: breathing and the job was not done.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: So he was going for a kill. He wasn't just
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: trying to get him unconscious.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Here, No, he's going for a kill.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: So what he did next was quick, we fill a
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: bucket with water, placed Steven's head inside the bucket, and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: drowned him.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Fuck. Holy shit, Okay, that was unexpected.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: He then proceeded to wash Steven's lifeless body, placed him
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: on his bed, and masturbated over him, finally fulfilling his
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: greatest fantasy. Wow, all before placing him beneath his floorboards,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: where Steven would remain for almost eight months.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: What eight months? Holy fuck? Whoa, whoa? Oh my god. Okay, okay,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it went on that long with these individuals.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I thought it was like eight days, maybe weeks. I
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: didn't think it was months that he kept them. Fuck.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So I feel like kind of a jerk doing this.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: But my friends, that is one Oh my god.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And to hear the remainder of the story, you will
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: have to tune into part two next week.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Way to leave us on a major cliffhanger.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I apologize, but don't you don't please send it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like, if I went any further, why would
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you want to listen. Wow, it gets wild. So there
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, all right, you're good. Yeah, okay, So part
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: two is next week.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're I think we're going to start releasing part
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: twos on the following week. Yeah, so we're being real
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: mean apparently.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Well previously we've done part two within the same week
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: and then release another on the Tuesday. Just right now,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: we just we're just we can't afford the time to
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: research that much.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: We might go back to that, but I mean putting
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a part one in part two was pretty much like
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: putting two episodes out right. Yeah, so yeah, this won't
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: be out next Tuesday, And you're definitely gonna want to.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Tune in, yes, and you're gonna want to tune in
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: to our social media's as well. We've got Instagram, Facebook,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: We've got a YouTube even linked down below, Patreon, and
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: of course badass merch.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: You can get some stay wicked, some wicked, grim stickers, notebooks, gear,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: you can get a fucking blanket for just so cool.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You can get so much cool shit. I need a blanket.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: No one's gotten a blanket yet. If someone gets a blanket,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: got to send us a picture.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Word of the day.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: No shit, they will be. If you get a blanket
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and you send us a picture of our blanket on
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: your bed, you will officially be the badass of the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: day in one of our episodes.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, actually yes for Chisel, maybe I'll order it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I need some bads of the day in my life.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: You will be the badass of the day. Awesome. Well,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: thank you for tuning in. I look forward to part two. Bib.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're gonna want to tune in.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Awesome, look forward to it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Stay Wicked,