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August 26, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:21
  SPEAKER_24: And welcome to Wednesday's show.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_24: It's the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_24: I, of course, am your host, John Justice, and I'm glad you're with another uh episode.
• 0:31
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• 0:38
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• 0:44
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• 0:47
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• 0:50
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• 0:54
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• 1:00
  SPEAKER_24: We have David Gartenstein Ross, our AI analyst and expert.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_24: He'll be joining us coming up at 6 30 this morning on Wednesday's show.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_24: We will be talking about growing backlash to AI-generated music.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_24: Australia's bandit altogether.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_24: Now you can still listen or make AI music, but it can't end up on the charts, on the music charts at all.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_24: I think they need a whole just separate category, and we'll get into this with uh David.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_24: Um, here stateside, Apple Music is wanting to put essentially warning labels on any music that utilizes artificial intelligence.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_24: And uh again, I have a few issues with this as somebody who has dabbled recently in making my own artificial intelligence uh music, plus uh new concerns about uh AI and its ability to help uh scammers in their scamming.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_24: So we'll get into the latest uh security risks of artificial intelligence.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_24: But really, we want to hear from you.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_24: Any questions that you have on any level whatsoever for David Gartenstein Ross, the CEO of Expert Theory, uh, leave us a blast at 612-584-4565.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_24: You can leave us an audio message on anything that we're talking about during uh the show at 612-584-4565.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_24: But specifically, if you have any artificial intelligence related questions for David on any level, I think David kind of prides himself on being able to answer a lot of these questions on the on the fly.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_24: So you can also email me john.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_24: So get those in in the next uh 20 minutes or so ahead of my conversation uh with David.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_24: Again, coming up uh just after the uh the bottom of the hour.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_24: We have an update on the Jake Lang situation, including the um the Spider-Man anti-Lang protester who has uh charges levied against him now.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_24: And uh Alpha News found out the dude has a criminal background, not very Spider-Man like behavior.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_24: Not even close.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_24: So we'll get into that a little bit uh later on.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_24: We have an update for those that um are aware of the story, and I'll get you up to speed on this.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_24: There was controversy in Anoka County between Anoka County and the city of Anoka, and this potential to build this rum runner water park where you could do surfing or you could do like lazy river floating.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, DFL representative and socket wrench, um Zach Stevenson, was spearheading this and ended up giving through the legislature millions of dollars to the city of Anoka that was supposed to be going to the county.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_24: The county sued and said, um, no, no, no, that money is for for us.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_24: And more specifically, Zach Stevenson in text messages said that the money was being diverted to the city over the county for revenge based on a controversy involving a jail.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_24: Well, the judge has issued his ruling on this.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_24: Did not go well for the city of Anoka or for uh DFL socket wrench, uh Zach Stevenson.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_24: Uh producer Devin, um, you know what a do you know what a socket wrench?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_24: You know what a socket wrench is?
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_24: Yep.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, what is it?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_24: Is it wrench?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_24: It's what's a tool.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_24: And it's a tool.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_24: So that's why that's why he's a he's a tool.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_24: Good morning, Devin, by the way.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_24: Good morning.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_24: Good to see you.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_24: Hey, who's starting who's gonna start quarterback, by the way?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_24: Kyler Murray.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_24: Okay, are you happy about this?
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_24: Or or or are we in a are we are we in a let's wait and see mode?
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_24: Have we seen his performance, by the way, in any of the preseason games?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_24: They've been moving the other guys through for the most part, right?
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_24: I think he got uh series or two in the first preseason game.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_24: So all right.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_24: And then JJ McCarthy's what been relegated to third string?
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_24: Potentially.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_24: So is it Murray Wentz and then JJ?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_24: Is that am I getting that right?
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_24: That could be the way it unfolds.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_24: See, I'm following, kind of.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_24: So thank you for the update there, Devin.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_24: It's good to uh good to uh good to see you.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_24: So let's uh let's start here.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_24: Before I give you the latest update on the continued fallout controversy from Jake Lang's protest that took place over the weekend, and there's some really interesting developments in this that I want to that I want to share with you, including Lang not facing any charges, which is, or at least felony charges.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_24: Let me get that straight.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_24: Not facing any felony charges, which is rather interesting.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_24: It tells you uh how thin of a case that Scary Moriarty had is she can't move forward with felony charges, because I think you and I both know that's exactly what she wanted to do.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, middle of the day yesterday, some uh sad news uh came across uh social media.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_24: A spokesperson for uh 80-year-old icon Dolly Parton confirmed um that Dolly Parton had passed away.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_24: And it turns out that apparently she was dealing with a brief battle with cancer that had been previously undisclosed.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_24: There were a couple of videos that popped up um recently of Dolly Parton, um, some interviews that she was doing, uh, she was doing some outreach, and she mentioned that she was dealing with some health issues.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_24: And I think she'd even gone so far as to say that these were health issues that she had maybe even potentially ignored for far too long.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, either way, the spokesperson for the 80-year-old icon confirmed uh the previously undisclosed diagnosis in a statement to uh People uh magazine.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_24: So uh listen, I was never a fan of Dolly Parton.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_24: I certainly have a tremendous amount of respect for her.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_24: Um she was one of the one of the greats, uh, another one of these examples of, in this case, um, musical uh icons that we just we don't have anymore.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_24: And we probably never will because it's really difficult for individuals to break out and achieve this super stardom icon status given that entertainment is so fragmented.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_24: And the even the very definition of what is or isn't or who or who isn't a celebrity is is much wider than it was back when Dolly Parton was making her way up the country music uh charts.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_24: So um, needless to say, a loss of an icon, one of the greats, uh, one of the favorite singers of my wife, and I know for many of you friends uh of the show, and probably foes of the show as well.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_24: Here was the um statement that was put out yesterday.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_24: It was a video announcement via Dolly Parton's um security for some 20 years.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, here is what he had to say in the announcement of Dolly Parton's passing.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_28: Hey, everyone.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_28: My name is Brian Seaver, son of Cassie Parton, and I am representing the Parton and Owens family today, announcing the passing of my Aunt Dolly, Rebecca Parton Dean, sister, sis, Aunt Granny to one generation, and Gigi to the next.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_28: This video announcement is something Dolly asked of me years ago before I fully absorbed it as a future reality.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_28: As her head of security for more than two decades, a role my father Larry held before me, I have imagined the heaviness of this moment, but haven't truly felt it until now.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_28: It is an honor, an honor that is mixed with absolute pride and great sadness.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_28: But sadness lies with us, not with Dolly.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_28: Dolly has lived in the light and is in the arms of Jesus, surely, met by Carl, her parents, and countless others who have watched her and longed for her to meet them in the heavens.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_28: I first went on the road with Dolly as a kid, getting a taste of the road life in the early 1980s.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_28: Dolly opened doors not just for me, but for her entire family to reach the potential we didn't even know was possible.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_28: Dolly also opened doors for generations of singers, songwriters, musicians, and dreamers from every walk of life and across every continent.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_28: By her example, we believed that anything was possible.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_28: She never saw a door she couldn't open, and the doors she opened made and changed history.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_28: My family and I have shared a lifetime of beautiful memories with Dolly.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_28: But so have you.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_28: She has always been on your television, your record player, your CD, and on your phone playlist, becoming an extended part of your family, whether you liked it or not.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_28: Our family and the team she has entrusted with her legacy will work diligently to ensure her spirit will live with us forever.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_28: Dolly was a farmer, just like her daddy.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_28: He farmed the soil, she farmed songs and happiness.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_28: Dolly called me and said she wants to rest in a beautiful bed of plush cotton because after a life wearing heavy rhinestones, she finally deserves to be comfortable and have some rest.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_28: Rest in peace, Aunt Dolly, Aunt Granny, GG.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_28: May God bless Dolly Parton and may God bless you all.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_28: She will always love you.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_24: It's always interesting to see the outpouring of emotion in the wake of the passing of an individual like this.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_24: President Donald Trump had uh lowered, uh, had asked for flags to be lowered to a half staff in the in the wake of this, and it's justifiable.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, she was.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_24: She was an American, an American uh icon.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_24: And an individual whom I wouldn't have, I suppose in the back of my mind, I would have thought if you asked me, she was 80 years old, but when you watch the videos of her, the most recent ones prior to her passing, uh, she was certainly showing her age, but she also, you know, took care of herself, probably had a lot, had a lot of work done as well.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_24: When you're Dolly Part and you're able to do that.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_24: But she still maintained uh just that that present that presence of of beauty.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_24: It wasn't lost in any of the of the work that she had done, sort of maintaining uh her her iconic look as she did for so many years.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_24: It was um it was right on cue uh within I don't I mean it was literally, I found out about it, sort of yelled out to Melinda because she was in the other part of the house.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_24: It's like, hey, did you hear?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_24: She's like, yeah, it's she's like, yeah, it's a bummer, you know.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_24: But it's one of those things too where she lived a full and a full and healthy life.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_24: It's unfortunate that cancer took her because she probably had, you know, at least another decade's worth of uh worth of time left.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_24: But right on cue, you had lefty organizations, and that was the specific part of this that kind of drove me nuts.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_24: You had lefty um ex accounts that immediately were defaulting to your typical, your stereotypical leftist issues and using those to go and celebrate the passing or to acknowledge um the passing of Dolly Parton.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_24: There was one where somebody had immediately gone and grabbed a clip uh based off of her comments about the LGBTQ community.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_24: And I was like, there's no reason for this unless you're trying to go and stir the pot.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_24: You know, but Dolly Parton was kind of an ambassador, and she saw the good in all people, and her faith guided much of her decision making.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_24: So it was unfortunate to see that, but not too surprising.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_24: If you want to comment, 612-584-4565.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, that's the blaster line.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_24: Also, John.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_24: As we shift our attention over to the further fallout from the Jake Lang protest from over the weekend ahead of my conversation with David Gartenstein Ross.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_24: And again, get your questions in uh for David now via the blaster line or email.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_24: I did have a comment that uh rolled in late uh yesterday regarding what we're about to talk about here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiments.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, John has laid out the show.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_06: The Spider-Man guy has made a ton of money.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_06: He's actually several soul-funding interns with$30,000 to$40,000 and not more in that.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_06: I'm sure neither of these people even know Spider-Man.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_06: They're just trying to make money out of it.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, no, it it absolutely is, and he's gonna make a lot of money, and this guy has an extensive, extensive criminal background that Alpha News went and uncovered, but no other media outlet, at least that I've seen so far and that Alpha News has seen so far, has gone and mentioned that this individual who is now a superhero icon on the left, speaking of icons, bad icons at that, superhero icon on the left has this record of criminality and abuse.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_24: And let's let's get into that.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_24: First off, um, Jake Lang will not face charges after he was arrested in Minneapolis on riot charges.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_24: Hennepin County attorney Scary Moriarty, according to the article that I have here in front of me from uh Fox 9, um, said the protester addressed up as Spider-Man, who was arrested during the rally, does face charges.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_24: But Moriarty said her office was declining felony charges against Edward Jake Lang related to his rally outside of the Minneapolis City Hall over the weekend, saying we didn't have a path forward for felony charges to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_24: A review of the extensive evidence of communication and logistical coordination between the Minneapolis Police Department and Lang's security detail.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_24: Now, Moriarty did, of course, condemn Lang and his rally, writing that his actions on Saturday were despicable and disgusting.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_24: A lack of felony charges does not in any way condone this conduct.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_24: This is a legal decision based on applicable law.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_24: So, two things here.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_24: One, uh, she's got to be frustrated and obviously didn't have a pathway forward, because if she did, that's scary Moriarty.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_24: She absolutely would have charged him.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_24: But two, I can't help but wonder if they had moved forward to charge Lang, if there were further charges that perhaps they would have had to have moved forward on when it came to the counter-protesting going on.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_24: Because individuals in the midst of this confrontation were caught on film on both sides of this.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_24: And I say both sides, they're all lumped into the same category, in my opinion, of a bunch of reckless, dangerous engagement, farming, thrill seeking attention seekers.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_24: Nothing good was accomplished here beyond growing the ranks of the anti-fub lunatics on the on the left being encouraged to go and fight back against idiots like Jake Lang.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_24: He has his right to free speech.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_24: But he's also a bit of a moron.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_24: Lang staged the rally in Minneapolis on Saturday to support the Rochester woman, Shiloh Hendricks, who was convicted in Rochester, which is also ridiculous.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_24: Again, don't agree with what she said.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_24: I don't think she's a very good person, but this was Orwellian that she faced charges for simply expressing her own free speech.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_24: It was an incident where she used bad language against a child at a playground.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_24: The rally drew a large protest and quickly out of uh grew out of control.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_24: That large protest were the anti-Lang protesters, as we documented yesterday on the show.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_24: There was, what, less than 12 people that showed up to support Lang at this event.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_24: Police arrested Lang and his supporters as they arrived at City Hall in two vehicles which drove onto the sidewalk and toward a group of gathered people.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_24: After police moved in to get the vehicles off the sidewalk, police said Lang's ground and counter protesters both had deployed mace.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_24: A Minneapolis police officer was injured while trying to help someone who ended up uh who fell in front of one of the trucks at the time.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_24: Now, Lang is already facing charges across the river in St.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_24: Paul for felony vandalism.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_24: He's charged with the destruction of that prosecute ice sculpture in the middle of Operation Metro Surge.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_24: Now, Nicholas William Love II 33, who was dressed up as Spider-Man protesting Lang, has been charged with fifth degree assault, a misdemeanor.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_24: Videos and photos of the protest showed uh Spider-Man, this Nicholas William Love, striking Lang during the event.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_24: The detail complaint has not been filed against Love.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_24: Now, we'll have more information on that in just a moment.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_24: But as, you know, as a bit of an example, this Fox Knight article doesn't point to the fact that this Spider Man hailed as a hero has a history of domestic violence and firearm convictions.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_24: Not that anybody on the left actually cares about this.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_24: The fact that this individual actually has a criminal background.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_24: It doesn't matter.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_24: It doesn't matter to those on the left.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_24: And I'll get back into uh into more of that commentary coming up here in just a moment on the show.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_24: But let's dive into um who exactly this individual is, courtesy of Alpha News.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_24: Um, so the confrontation on Saturday, just to kind of back up the story a little bit further, the confrontation on uh Saturday came after Minneapolis man, baby, mayor, mom jeans, Jacob Fry, had publicly urged residents not to give Lang and his rally the attention they were seeking in a social media post ahead of Saturday's event.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_24: Now, there's a um really interesting editorial from the Minneapolis Times that I will share with you in just a moment because in that article it points to the hypocrisy of Minneapolis man, baby mayor, mom jeans, Jacob Fry, and how he selectively chooses his words depending on the political alignment of the groups of individuals that are in conflict on the streets of Minneapolis.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_24: And I'll get to that in a moment.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_24: Now, Fry posted on X, let this lame ass racist rally fall flat and fade into irrelevance.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_24: The best way to have done that would have been to not go and post that online to draw attention to it.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_24: A crowd of counter-protesters showed up, anyways, as Lang arrived outside the Minneapolis City Hall on Saturday, and everything descended into chaos.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_24: So Love was arrested along with three other counter-protesters.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_24: It's unclear whom Love is accused of assaulting, by the way.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_24: There hasn't been details released on that.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_24: Video from the protest shows him striking both Lang and a Minneapolis police officer.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_24: Now, court records reviewed by Alpha News show Love already had two domestic violence-related offenses on his record while he was charged with another felony case in 2021.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_24: According to the complaint, Love was convicted in 2014 of felony-aggravated battery of a police officer in Illinois.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_24: He was later convicted of a misdemeanor violation of domestic abuse with a no-contact order in October of 2018, a misdemeanor domestic assault in June of 2019.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_24: Again, unspider-man-like behavior.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_24: Then came the 2021 May incident where Burnsville police were dispatched to Love's apartment after the mother of his then two-year-old daughter reported that Love had threatened her with a handgun, the complaint says.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_24: Man, all of this, all of this echoes John Thompson.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_24: There's so much in common here.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_24: According to the criminal complaint, the woman told police that Love grabbed and squeezed her neck during an argument and threatened to kill her.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_24: The following day, she alleged that Love tackled her while holding a handgun, pointed the gun at her body, squeezed her neck until she felt she could not breathe, and eventually pressed the gun to her head.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_24: Again, let me mention not Spider-Man-like behavior.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_24: I'll kill you right here.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_24: I don't give an F-word.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_24: Ludge allegedly told, Love allegedly told her while holding the gun to her head, according to the criminal complaint.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_24: Their two-year-old daughter was present during the confrontation and began crying again, shades of John Thompson.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_24: The woman eventually escaped the apartment carrying the child and began knocking on neighbors' doors until someone led her inside and called 911.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_24: There's an article.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_24: What about the chilling effect of what happens in such circumstances like this when you have uh individuals who are hailed as heroes in the midst of acting like a bunch of morons on the streets of Minneapolis, and yet they have a background of domestic abuse charges related to women and children?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_24: What about the chilling effect that he puts on people like this?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_24: Love was charged with five felonies, including possession of a firearm.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_24: By an ineligible person, possession of uh ammunition by an ineligible person.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_24: You mean people that don't have legal access to guns go and get them anyway?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_24: That's this is all new information.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_24: Second degree assault with a dangerous weapon, felony domestic assault, and fourth degree assault of a peace officer.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_24: Police later recovered a Taurus 9mm handgun with an extended magazine from a vehicle associated with Love, according to the complaint.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_24: Under the plea deal, Love pleaded guilty to the firearm possession, and the remaining charges were dismissed.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_24: He was sentenced in April of 2023 to five years in prison.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_24: But of course, the judge stayed the prison sentence for five years and placed him on supervised probation.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_24: Why?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_24: Because he was Spider-Man.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_24: Also, a not Spider-Man-like behavior, by the way.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_24: Saturday's confrontation with Lang would ultimately turn Love, dressed head to toe as Spider-Man, into a viral sensation, complete with merchandise already bearing his likeness and more than$100,000 raised within days, as we just heard as well from the blaster line at 612-584-4565.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_24: Another fundraiser established on Love's behalf said he acted because I felt I had to do whatever I could to protect the people around me.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_24: That doesn't really fly, though, and I'll explain here in just a moment.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_24: As of the publication of the Alpha News story, they could not find, and I didn't find any this morning either, any reporting from major Minnesota outlets detailing Love's prior convictions.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_24: Instead, much of the attention surrounding Minnesota's newfound Spider-Man has focused on the sudden celebrity status that he has achieved.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_24: Some international media covers describe Love as an internet folk hero doing that thing with my fingers, while supporters on social media declared him a hero.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_24: Now, the Minneapolis Police Department offered a somewhat different assessment, telling Newsweek we confirmed who the individual is, and that person was arrested for assault.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_24: So I don't know how that's a hero.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, I absolutely agree.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_24: Listen, the left does not care.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_24: And this is just another example of how the left simply does not care.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_24: It's become a completely self-centered Marxist movement, the Democrat Party, that only cares about the cause.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_24: They do not give a damn about the background, criminal or otherwise, right?
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_24: The past crimes of those individuals who advanced the agenda.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_24: They don't care.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_24: And this is an example of that.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_24: The local media should be covering the background of this dude wearing the Spider-Man out uh outfit.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_24: There is absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_24: But that being said, I don't think it would make that much of a difference.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_24: You're still going to see the imagery.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_24: There'll still be bumper stickers on cars of the Antifa Spider-Man.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_24: There will still be t-shirts.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_24: This will be placed right alongside the stickers that you see on the back windows of Subarus.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_24: No offense to you, conservative Subaru owners.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_24: I'm just making a point.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_24: Right next to the stupid, ridiculous rebellion Star Wars loon that people have created as a symbol of a resistance against ICE.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_24: This guy's going to become an icon, even if people do go and find out how he has this major criminal background.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_24: It simply doesn't matter.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_24: He's advancing the movement, he's advancing the cause, and therefore he will still be celebrated.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_24: Now the good news is, and I'm and I'm and I was pleased to see this.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_24: There was an editorial.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_24: It was the lead story.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_24: It's not anymore.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_24: It's kind of moved down the stack.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_24: On Minneapolis Times, Minneapolis Times.com.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_24: An article written by Dwayne Thielen.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_24: I tried to find some background on this individual and I couldn't, apart from the fact that in previous editorials that this individual has written, they seem to be on the left.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_24: However, you know, not everybody is buying this Antifa hero crap.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_24: This editorial at the Minneapolis Times says Jake Lang is not a license for political violence.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_24: Saying William Nicholas Love, a counter-protester dressed as Superman, was charged with a misdemeanor assault after attacking Jake Lang, who was charged with a misdemeanor assault.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_24: The author argues that while Lange's actions were offensive, they do not justify the physical violence against him.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_24: The author also criticized the lack of condemnation for Love's actions and the perceived double standard in how political violence is treated.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_24: I want to dive into some further details of what's in this editorial coming up later on in the hour on the show because there's a lot of relevant angles that this individual who's on the left is taking.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_24: And it's important, in my opinion, because we need more voices like this.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_24: We're not going to agree on policy.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_24: We're not going to agree on ideology, but there are societal standards and just basic human decorum that we can, left and right, agree on.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_24: And this all goes back to my assessment of what took place over the weekend in total.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_24: And that was it was a completely unproductive event.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_24: Certainly when it comes to advancing any sort of causes relating to free speech or conservatism.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_24: And at most, it ends up helping the radical leftists in growing their ranks because those lunatics, the broken and the brainwashed, of course they're going to be motivated and encouraged by an individual who's dressed as Spider-Man.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_24: They need the image, they need the political theater to help advance the cause and the movement.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_24: So I'll share some details with you from that editorial coming up a little bit later on in the show.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_24: We are going to talk with David Gartenstein Ross here in just a moment, CEO of Expert Theory and our AI analyst and expert.
• 28:06
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• 30:19
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• 30:31
  SPEAKER_21: It's so upsetting to see our leaders like Governor Walls gaslighting us, basically, and saying, no, things are going great.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_21: We are one of the best states in the country.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_21: Then why are people leaving?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_21: And why are people struggling?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_21: And why are people saying that Minnesota's on the right, on the wrong track?
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_20: Yeah, that is such a good point.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_20: I mean, it's just we every day you realize like you talk to people who say it's just so hard in Minnesota right now.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_20: And then we have people at the top who are completely denying that there's any problem whatsoever.
• 30:58
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• 30:59
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• 31:02
  SPEAKER_19: But according to the most recent Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data, we are now above the national average when it comes to part one crimes, a category that includes crimes like murder, assault, rape, and carjackings.
• 31:15
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• 31:16
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• 31:20
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• 31:28
  SPEAKER_21: John Phelan has this incredible chart posted at AmericanExperiment.org where he plotted out the CNBC ranking of best states to live in and the states that people are actually moving to and away from.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_21: It's a negative correlation.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_21: People don't want to live in states with these policies that CNBC, you know, the great authority on this and that Governor Walls is touting, sees as, you know, the ultimate factors in a you know high quality of life.
• 31:53
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• 31:55
  SPEAKER_20: I mean, that's the actual data we should be looking at is where people are moving.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_20: People move with their feet.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_20: Where are they going?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_20: They're going to red states with better policy.
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• 33:50
  SPEAKER_24: We're going to be talking quite a bit about artificial intelligence and music during my conversation with, and we welcome him in, our AI expert and analyst, David Gartenstein Ross.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_24: Good morning, David.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_24: Good to uh speak to you once again this morning.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_24: Thank you so much for joining us.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_24: Good morning, John.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_24: It's great to join you.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_24: I want to get right into the uh questions.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_24: We do have a few artificial intelligence uh related stories regarding AI-generated uh music.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_24: Before we do, though, of course, I've opened up the emails and the blast for questions.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_24: Uh David at 612-584-4565, John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_24: This one came in from Keith.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_24: Um, can we use, for David, can we use AI to score bills before they are passed?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_24: For example, the CBO, the MMG, uh, MMGB, check whether the bills increase or decrease the budget, AI would be used to see if bills are useful.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_24: For example, AI could say the bill uh is the bill being proposed is already covered in six different programs, and there are X amount of other bills that already help regarding this.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, we recommend that this bill is redundant and should not be passed.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_24: So, what's your thoughts on using artificial intelligence in government to go and review, especially these huge bills when they move through uh the legislative process?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_25: Absolutely is the answer.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_25: This is an area where AI is better than people.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_25: Um, you know, if you go back even um to the early 2000s, one of the things that was often said correctly uh about uh Congress is most Congresspeople would not read the bills they were voting on.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_25: That is certainly still true today.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_25: AI is is a more careful reader than human beings when it comes to reading large amounts of text, especially text that, like congressional bills, is meant to be inscrutable.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_25: Uh when the CBO or others go over a bill to figure out what the cost will be, um, or to figure out things like redundancy, uh, they're using a formula for it.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_25: And AI is very good at looking at large amounts of text with a formula.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_25: So with respect to that question, absolutely, we should use AI that way.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_24: How much um, I mean, I would imagine there's got to be a lot of follow-through.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_24: And we've talked a bit about AI hallucinating and how it's not always uh always, you know, accurate.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_24: I imagine that you know you do this, but you also have to couple that with a lot of of uh human input as well to make sure that the AI is accurate, correct?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_25: You you do, of course.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_25: But uh AI hallucination, I'm not as concerned about it as I used to be.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_25: Um if you go, if you use free AI, like it will have a relatively high hallucination rate.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_25: Um I I'm now using uh pro versions of uh a pro version of Chat GPT as my go-to.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_25: And to be honest, it's its hallucination rate is close to zero.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_25: It still makes errors.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_25: It doesn't really lie to me anymore.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_25: Um, it makes errors, there are things that I'll catch.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_25: There'll there'll be areas in context where uh my context is better than that of the AI.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_25: Uh, but you know, it's just as likely to catch me as I am to catch it with an error.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_24: You know, it's it's interesting, just as a sidebar, I've seen a ton, and it could be, it could be because the algorithm is feeding me this, and there may be a reason why, and I'll get to this coming up uh further in our conversation, uh, David Gartenstein Ross.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_24: But I'm seeing a ton of ads for uh promoting chat GPT.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, it seems as if the different platforms are very much out there competing uh with one another uh to have people uh use these.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_24: I was just curious to kind of get your to get your thoughts on that.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_24: The fact that I'm just I'm seeing a ton of chat GPT ads right now.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_25: That's interesting.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_25: Um I I personally don't see a ton of them, uh, which could in fact be because I'm using it.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_25: Um at any rate, like yeah, I mean there, there, there's I think the big competition right now is between uh chat and anthropic slash claude.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_25: Those are the two that I see uh most frequently, with you know, Gemini and Grok uh certainly being options out there, but I don't see them uh competing as aggressively as the other two, in part because you know, for anthropic and for open AI, um winning the AI race, um, that is their business model.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_25: For you know, obviously for um uh X and for uh Meta, they have a lot of other things going on than AI.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_24: What is that what does that mean in your mind, winning the AI race?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_24: Is it having um the majority of individuals using uh using their programs?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_24: Is it related to the to the government?
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_24: I'm just curious what what if somebody, you know, if somebody was winning that, what does that winning entail?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_25: So it in almost every like new market that's created, you'll have a clear winner and also a clear number two, and they'll capture most of the value.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_25: Um, so let's let me give an example.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_25: Um in uh ride sharing, um, which is you know a new market that opened up technologically within the past you know 16 years or so, you have two dominant companies, Uber and Lyft.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_25: Uh do you want to take a guess as to just the multiple of how much more Uber is worth than Lyft?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, it's gotta be it has to be significant.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, I I I I don't know, I don't know of a number, but it's gotta be significant to be.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah, I mean they're they're both worth a lot of money, to be clear.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_25: Uber, its market capitalization is$162 billion.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_25: Lyft's market capitalization is six point seven billion dollars.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_25: So Uber's worth 24 times what Lyft is worth.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_25: I mean, they're both valuable, but there's no question that Uber won the race versus Lyft.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_25: And it works out that way from market to market.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_25: So what I mean is like these are both incredibly valuable companies.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_25: Um, if this market is a normal market, one of them is going to settle out being worth much more than the other.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_25: Now, right now they're kind of neck and neck, though.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_25: But that's what I mean by win the AI race.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_25: That typically in markets like that, there ends up being a clearly dominant player and a clear number two, and that's basically it in terms of truly valuable companies.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_24: Let's go to the uh to the blaster line.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_24: Some questions have rolled in for our AI analyst and uh expert David Gartenstein uh Ross this morning at 612-584.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_05: Last week I went to a new doctor, a young doctor, and he could watch in the room, he said, first of all, I want to to get your permission to use AI.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_05: I use I want to use AI to record my conversation, and then I use it later for note-taking.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_05: Is it okay?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_05: I don't really like it.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_05: If it helps you do your team.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_05: Go ahead because I look into an AI effort every week, and he has made me more comfortable with AI.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_05: So I gave her permission, and I just want to be commentary last year.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_05: He has helped me, and um, that is what I did last week.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_25: That's gotta make you feel good, David.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah, that definitely brought a smile to my face.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_25: Nobody can see it because my camera's not on, but um, thank you so much for uh that talk back.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_25: Or what do you call them now?
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_25: I I use talkback, but you have a different thing.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, it's uh I I I call them blasts now.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_24: So this is the it's the blaster line, and I call them blasts because I'm in the Awesome.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_25: Thank you for that blast.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_24: You know, when it comes to that too, I mean, we it's it's almost reached a level, like the first thing that popped into my head listening to her comments was it's very similar to somebody saying, hey, we're gonna record this.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_24: Do I have permission to record this this conversation?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_24: Obviously, artificial intelligence takes it to a much, a much different, uh, much different level.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_24: Um, you know, I guess the question that I have, David, is how long is it gonna be until you walk into that doctor's office and you're not talking to a human at all?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_24: You're actually talking to uh an AI instead of a doctor.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_24: Um, I'm not I am not looking forward to that, at least not at the moment.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_24: I'm not looking forward to uh to when that technology catches up to that point.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah, I mean uh sorry, like this is kind of the interesting thing you're putting your finger on.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_25: I've been thinking about this all morning uh because of some of the articles that you sent to me.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_25: Um and you know, one of the articles you sent to me is about AI music being banned from from the charts in Australia.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_24: Right.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_25: Um and um have we talked we haven't talked about this yet.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_25: Like not in detail.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_25: I have a novel coming out in in uh January of next year.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_24: Okay.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_25: And um in multiple areas you just have this explosion in AI generated content.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_25: Right.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_25: So when you talk about how you know we'll be walking into doctors' offices and talking to AI, already um AI is heavily incorporated into the healthcare process.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_25: A lot of what people are grappling with is you know, what is the value of humans?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_25: Right?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_25: Where do humans provide something that's unique, especially as people are looking at different job markets that can get up-ended by AI?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_25: I gave you some interesting figures before on Uber versus Lyft.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_25: I want to give you an interesting figure, and and John, you've published um a number of different novels or self-published, correct?
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_16: Yes.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_25: So self-published books, um in 2010, there were 133,000 self-published books.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_25: Do you want to guess how many there were last year?
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_24: Oh my oh, okay.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_24: So wait, what was the number again?
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_24: What was the number in 2010?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_24: I would say it has to be approaching somewhere upwards of like Seven to eight hundred thousand at at at at this point in time.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_24: If it hasn't crossed over a million already.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_24: But what's uh what is the number?
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah, you like you're you're correct.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_25: It's it's now crossed over to there being uh three point five three million self-published books in 2025.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_25: Wow.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_25: Um traditionally published books, uh there's there's now about six hundred and forty thousand traditionally published books.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_25: But the the multiple i in self-published books is um 26.5, right?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_25: There's two thousand about two thousand five hundred uh percent more self-published books.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_25: So we're drowning in content based on AI, right?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_25: When you have a multiple of twenty five hundred percentage more, um human uh attention obviously has not gone up twenty five hundred percent.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_25: If anything, it's fallen.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_25: And so though I'm not sympathetic to like these there's this kind of trend to try to boycott authors if they've used AI to generate any passages in their books.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_25: I think this is ridiculous and stupid, and we can talk about how stupid it is at some point.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_25: But I understand where it comes from, right?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_25: When you're looking at this massive increase in content based on books that are largely or wholly AI generated, there's a drop-off in quality and it squeezes people's livelihoods.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_25: So getting back to doctors, what you're putting your finger on is actually exactly where people want humans.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_25: You want to talk to a human being, right?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_25: You want a human face there in the doctor's office.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_25: And for the longest time, um that's not necessarily a good thing entirely.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_25: Right.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_25: For the longest time, um is you know, one thing I did much earlier in life is I I I practice law, and I apologize to you and your readers and your listeners for any contributions I made to the legal profession.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_25: But like it's a joke there, but like uh one of the interesting things about doctors is doctors would be far more likely to be sued if they didn't have good table side manners, what you can call it, if they didn't relate well to patients.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_25: They're being sued based on personality and not actually based on competence.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_25: And I think that's one of the things that we're gonna see is that doctors who relate well with people, there's more and more of a demand for those doctors, independent of their medical competency, which is interesting.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_24: Well, and I just want to make a note regarding the self-published books, because just as a as uh what kind of impact that can have as somebody who, as you mentioned, uh, you know, I wrote um a series, seven, a seven book series, science fiction series, and self-published it.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_24: And you can one of the best ways that you can go about promoting your self-published books, if you're exclusive to Amazon through their Kindle Unlimited program and their ebook program, of which I which I am, you can run ads on Amazon.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_24: And they they dominate some 85% of the self-published uh market, which is why most people uh utilize that.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, but you can run ads directly in Amazon to promote your book.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_24: And I can tell you that I haven't run ads in a long, long time.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_24: I I did at the beginning part of when I wrote my series, but I haven't uh in a while.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_24: And in large part, even before the rise of AI David, I stopped because there is, and there are already a lot of self-published science fiction authors out there.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_24: And to be competitive within that space of advertising, you have to do a pay-to-click program, uh, which means you kind of have to outbid somebody else in order to get your book uh posted as an ad on there.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_24: It's just it's just it's the way the algorithm works.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_24: With this many new self-published individuals, I can only imagine how diluted the advertising market is right now.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_24: Of people who have written these books via AI are now trying to go and push them out there.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_24: And it's probably drowning out a lot of individuals who are still writing traditionally.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_24: So just one aspect of the impact that it could have.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah, and it it it does have an impact on traditional publishing, or you know, it it has an impact throughout the industry.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_25: Um, it's it's really interesting to see.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_25: I mean, I I published um I've I've written a number of books, but I I published two uh max market books in 2007 and and 2011.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_25: And um it's interesting just how much the market has shifted um since the last book that that um I had come out that was designed for mass consumption.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_25: Um it gives rise to you know different ways to promote, etc.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_25: But you know, what we've had um over the course of the past 15 years has been a complete inversion with respect to content.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_25: Fifteen years ago, the problem with content was scarcity of content.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_25: We needed people to produce content, and now we're drowning in content.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_25: And like, how do and I think that we can all agree, like everyone listening, we want books to be written by people, right?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_25: Not that we want no AI in books, I think it is healthy to have AI in books, but we would not want a world where all new bestsellers are written by Chat GPT.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_25: That would be a world that is much intellectually poorer, and I don't like I'm just not interested in reading an AI's full take on the world.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_25: Um, and so how do we ensure that people can continue to make livelihood through music, through books?
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_25: These are important questions that um we can see people starting to grapple with in sort of awkward ways, reaching answers that aren't going to sustain, but at the very least, they are asking the right questions.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_24: Talking with David Garzenstein Ross, our AI analyst and expert, he's the CEO at uh Expert Theory.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_24: We have more comments that have rolled in via the blaster line.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_24: Questions for you, David.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_10: Hi, this is Chris from from the Friend of the Soul from Savage, and I have a question for David.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_10: Uh, in this case, I am uh a musician uh myself and utilize AI quite significantly right now as it pays me substantial money in terms of uh just producing music and uh cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to get hand and everything together, but uh music has like Google and the lights are uh really useful and hopefully you get my use of produced in the way that I love it.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_10: How do you use my uh and games that crowd are absolutely hating AI and all things are AI related to it giving it a huge amount of trust?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_24: And I'm curious if to either see any uh uh issues or uh uh uh differences between generations in their trust of AI and the integrations of now, David, I have uh and I'll and I'll wait on it, I have a personal story that relates directly to uh what uh Chris from Savage was was mentioning.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_24: But um, you know, this brings about much of kind of where my my head was at regarding, even in this case, Apple Music introducing made with AI uh labels.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_24: Um but it really is going to come down to public perception of AI, who wants it, who doesn't want it.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_24: But let's not get too far off of what Chris was asking here.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, what was your reaction to Chris's comment?
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah, what Chris is putting his finger on um about kind of the uh Gen Z Gen Alpha backlash against AI is accurate.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_25: Um you you you you can see um people who will will swear off any form of AI and the like, um, but uh it's more complex when you dig in, right?
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_25: One thing that you can see also um going to recent cheating scandals and the like is that they're also very prolific users of AI, including when it's banned.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_25: Um you know, the the um anti-AI backlash that that you'll see there for that you see from your kids and and um you know my uh my daughters uh are the same, though again, like um they also use it.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_25: Um but the but will kind of um act very anti-AI from time to time for all the typical flurry of reasons.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_25: Um you know, it it's in line with sort of some of the the trend lines we see of like hardening ideology, um you know, the uh kind of wearing your ideas or your beliefs on your sleeve and the like.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_25: And similar to a lot of things, right?
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_25: Like um, you know, most um uh uh people who will espouse uh climate change uh doomsaying um also eat meat, right?
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_25: Like there you can kind of go into areas where people will say one thing and do another.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_25: Um, and I think that you'll find that when you uh dig in uh generationally.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_25: Um at the end of the day, I I don't think that um uh AI backlash will sustain.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_25: Um and the reason why is just this is one of the most remarkable tools that has ever been created by human beings, full stop, right?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_25: There's no exaggeration in saying that.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_25: And at the end of the day, in having something that is this capable, and Chris, you put your finger on what it can do to music, are people going to want to forswear it or are they gonna want to use it because of what will allow them to do?
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_25: And the latter by far ends up winning out over time.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_24: I want to uh I want to spin off of Chris's comment and stay here for just a moment in our conversation with David, uh, Gartenstein, uh Ross.
• 54:13
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• 54:26
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• 54:58
  SPEAKER_24: So let's go, let's go here, David.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_24: Um so bear with me for just a moment.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_24: Let me set this up uh in the time that we have left.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_24: The story here that Apple Music is going to introduce made with AI labels for music created with artificial intelligence, requiring content producers to include AI transparency tags for uh transparency and attribution.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_24: The move aligns with the broader industry efforts to uh distinguish AI-generated music from human-created work.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_24: Um, I don't have any problem with the labeling.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_24: I do question, though, exactly how they are going to like what needs to be labeled with AI.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_24: Like the example that came into my head was, you know, back in the day you had analog acoustic and then the rise of electronic music, the ability to make music electronically, synthesized synthesizers, you know, those were always looked at as, oh, that's not real music.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_24: And eventually it became adopted and now it's very mainstream.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_24: I love that music.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_24: So, you know, if you're using AI in production and arrangements, the arrangements are yours and the lyrics are yours.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_24: Like, you know, wherein are you going to get negative stigma to have an AI label when there's already a lot of different production methods that don't utilize AI, where you could essentially enter into the same type of argument that you have these labels now making for AI.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_24: So uh with that, as always, I'll kind of hand it over to you to get your thoughts.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_25: I mean, the answer is I agree with you fully.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_25: Um, you know, across every field of endeavor where there's now this desire to label, AI has actually been used for a long time.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_25: Like, what do people think Pixar is?
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_24: Right?
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_25: Like it's just that so again, people are asking.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_25: So for Apple Music, like A, I support um the the label, but B, like you, what does the label actually mean?
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_25: Right?
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_25: Is New Order, um, which I know you know New Order, right?
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_25: I know I know um or depeche mode, which obviously you're a fan of.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_25: Like when you look at that kind of the heavy um electronica and how um the songs were composed, are those AI generated or are they not?
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_25: How do you like how do you think about this within that continuum?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_25: I think that that a lot of hard questions come to the fore.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_25: I think that for Apple Music, like I think we have an understanding of what they mean, right?
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_25: It it really is kind of the current boom in accessibility of AI that they're concerned about.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_25: There are wholly AI generated songs, like in um Australia, the thing that that led them to ban AI from the charts was um a holy AI remix of Madonna's Like a Prayer that had been like at the top of the charts for 16 weeks.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_25: And I think the thinking reasonably enough is we don't want like the charts to be dominated by things that someone just like got on AI and remixed a song.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_25: That's not the kind of creativity they want to generate.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_25: I get that, I agree with it.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_25: Uh, but the question you're asking, it actually is really hard to answer because we have had AI in all these different forms of artistic endeavor for such a long time, and it has become so routinized that these days we're a little bit surprised, I would say, when we see um an animated movie and it's drawn by hand as opposed to having been drawn by computers.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_24: We're talking with David Garchensteiner Ross, the CEO of Expert Theory here on the John Justice uh show as we enter into uh the second hour of Wednesday's show.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_24: We'll talk a little bit more with uh with David.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_24: And let me add something to this, um, just uh more commentary than question.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_24: But so I I've always loved music, David.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_24: You know this.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_24: I know you love music, and we we actually have some some crossover and some some bands that we that we enjoy.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_24: Um years ago, I'd spent time on Garage Band, uh, just making instrumental music in my spare time, just for me and my own entertainment purposes.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_24: And I still have all those tracks within my iTunes and I listen to them on occasion.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_24: Recently, uh, and I've told the story on the air, you know, back in the in the in the early to mid-90s, I fancied myself, you know, as a as a bit of a of a writer.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_24: You can call it poetry, you can call it musings.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_24: They were basically just me putting my thoughts down because I thought I was a tortured soul at the time because of failed relationships.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_24: Anyway, I have a whole binder filled with these.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, hundreds of writings that I've just kept throughout the years, just didn't have the heart to get rid of.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_24: I've been taking a bunch of this stuff and plugging it into um into the Sona app and creating my own music.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_24: And these are banger songs to be.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_24: I played them, I played them for Melinda in the house, the arrangements and what they come up with.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_24: It's trial and error, right?
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_24: It's trial and error.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_24: It's fascinating to go through the process and see how the AI keeps adjusting the same lyrics over and over again until it lands on something that I find, that I find pleasing.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_24: Um, now I've had a shift on my own because I've gotten to the point now where I'm actually enjoying this music as much as I'm enjoying any of the other music that I own.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_24: And I wonder if this will be mirrored within society where, you know, this type of content and entertainment created by artificial intelligence, you know, there'll be variations in what people accept and what they don't accept.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_24: But when it comes to these songs that I've made, those are all my words.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_24: You know, none of that was written by AI.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_24: The arrangements may have been, but I put the prompts in for those arrangements.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_24: I told it where I wanted the influences to go and what I wanted the beats per minute to be and on down the line.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_24: It's just it's been a really fun and entertaining exercise.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_24: And I'm curious what happens just based on my own experiences, if it ends up mirroring what the reaction will be in real life over this content generation through artificial intelligence.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_25: Yeah, uh I I agree with all that.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_25: And you can you can see how it's not just a simple matter of you enter a prompt and the thing happens.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_25: Right?
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_25: There's a whole process of human AI co-creation, um, which is which already is making great art.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_25: And it's a process of working with AIs that's going to be refined and will create even better art over time.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_25: Um, and so quite clearly, um, the decision to uh not allow wholly AI generated music on the Australian charts is not even a verdict on AI generated music.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_25: It's not saying that it's not legitimate music.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_25: I think it's more when we step back from it, the thing that's legitimate to that ban is it's a desire to preserve human livelihood in the arts.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_25: But music like like you're talking about, like it should be shared, right?
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_25: And um I get it going viral, and I get also there will be AI musicians in the future.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_25: I think we could say there already are, but in the future, probably there'll be a field of music, which is AI musicians.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_25: Um I think that this is relevant, and um there'll be like when you look at kind of how sophisticated music is that you can make now with AI, like over time there'll be probably a field of endeavor that is generated that is AI arts.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_25: We may like that, we may not like that, but um, given how specialization works, um, almost certainly that's going to open up, just like you know, 20 years ago, no one would have thought of streamers as being you know a legitimate career track that would come to open up over time.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_25: I guess we could still question whether it's legitimate, but certainly it's very lucrative.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_25: Um, and so these are just things that are going to happen with AI where um things that seem novel now or that people are trying to ban or boycott down the road are going to seem like the most typical and intuitive things.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_24: David Gartenstein-Ross, thank you for a little extra time uh this morning.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_24: I greatly uh appreciate it.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_24: I know the audience does as well.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_24: I'll hang on to some of the questions that have uh rolled in via the blast for hopefully when we talk next week.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_24: If anybody wants to email uh john.justice at americanexperimented.org.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_24: If you have questions for David that weren't answered this morning, I'm happy to go and forward those over.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_24: I know David, you you love answering uh the questions from the audience.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_24: But as always, thank you so much for the time this morning.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_24: It was uh great to talk with you.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_24: And like I said, I hope we can do it again next week, my friend.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_25: Thanks, John, and likewise, look forward to next week.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_24: Again, the number for the blaster line is 612-584-4565, 612-584-4565, as we officially make our way into the second hour of the show for Wednesday.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_24: And remember, the John Justice show presented by American Experiment will be joining American Experiment at the fair this coming Saturday.
• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:14
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• 1:04:21
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• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_24: I am, of course, your host, John Justice.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_24: We have producer Devin also in the studio uh with us uh this morning.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_24: Thank you to everybody who's left the blast for David.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_24: Sorry we didn't get to a lot of the uh a lot of the questions, as David and I bit went down a bit of a rabbit hole in our artificial intelligence discussion.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_24: But as I mentioned before, if you want to email me uh John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org, any of those questions that you might have for David, I'll feel free uh to do so and I will forward those uh over uh to uh David.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_24: Uh let's go here.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_24: I was talking about this last hour.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_24: Uh Hennepin County attorney Scary Moriarty has declined to charge Jake Lang with felony charges, saying there just simply wasn't enough evidence to do so.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_24: I was a bit surprised by this, but I think it says two different things.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_24: I think one, it says that there legitimately weren't any um felony charges that Scary Moriarty could bring over, because I think you and I both know that if she could, she would have.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_24: But secondly, I also wonder if she was stuck in a tough spot wherein if she had brought these particular charges against Jake Lang, she would have had to go and issue even further charges against other individuals that were protesting there and turning things violent during that protest.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_24: Now, the individual known as William Nicholas Love, who was dressed as Spider Man and is now the latest darling icon for the radical violent fascist left, he is being charged.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_24: And his actions during that event by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_24: This is what I wanted to share with you, though, because I I was I was very, I was thankful that not everyone everyone is buying this anti-fUP hero garbage of this guy.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_24: And this is coming from an individual who, again, as I mentioned last hour, uh, I wasn't able to find out the exact background of the author, but I do know they've written other editorials in the past.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_24: And those editorials were typically leaning into a leftist ideology.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_24: So it seems as if this person is more than likely a liberal writing this.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_24: But this is good news because these are places where we as a society can find common ground, even with those who we disagree with on our ideologies and issues.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_24: This is what Dwayne Thielen had to say in the Minneapolis Times.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_24: Minneapolis can condemn Lang's racism, charge him for unlawful conduct, and still refuse to celebrate the people who attack him.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_24: Anything less turns equal justice into a political loyalty test.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_24: The costume is memorable, writes Duane, but the more consequential story is how quickly the alleged assault can be recoded as courage when the target is sufficiently despised.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_24: And how reluctant political leaders become to state an otherwise familiar rule.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_24: Offensive speech does not authorize physical violence.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_24: And to what the author is saying here, this is why these things continue to happen.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_24: Because political leaders do not either have the will, desire, or courage to go and do what this individual is doing, or what other conservative commentators are doing.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_24: Now the author says, let's be careful about Lang.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_24: He wanted outrage, cameras and confrontation, he got all three.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_24: If Lang drove unlawfully, endangered pedestrians, assaulted anyone, used chemical spray legally, or committed a riot, charge him.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_24: If the evidence proves those offenses, convict him.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_24: Free speech is not immunity from traffic laws or criminal law.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_24: They're absolutely right.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_24: Although there are too many on the left that believe that it is.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_24: Too many of those activists that want to take to the streets at the urging of the individuals on the left that they've elected who do not want to face any consequences for their public protests through their law breaking.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_24: They're cowardly and lazy activists compared to what we've seen in past controversies here in America.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_24: It's only more recently, these younger generations, they want to have their cake in eat it too.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_24: They want to protest, they want to get in the way of lawful law enforcement, they want to go and break the law in doing so, but they feel justified in doing it and do not want to be held to the letter of the law.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_24: None of that transfers responsibility for the crowd's conduct to Lane.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_24: The available video is chaotic.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_24: Not every shove, spray, or thrown object can be assigned with confidence.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_24: Loves this would be Spider Man.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_24: His punches are unusually easy to see.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_24: An adult who climbs aboard the truck and swings at another man has made an independent choice.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_24: So has anyone who throws a bottle or a hard object at an officer.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_24: Hatred of the target does not erase the actor.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_24: Now, some counter protesters accused the Minneapolis police of protecting white supremacy because officers separated Lang's group from the crowd and moved vehicles out of the immediate confrontation.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_24: Love's fundraiser advances the same accusation of which he's now made hundreds of thousands of dollars.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_24: Police supposedly cared more about roughing him up than confronting Lang.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_24: That's Love's assessment.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_24: Again, an individual who has a criminal background, illegal firearm, ammunition possession, allegations of abuse of a woman in front of their children.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_24: Not Spider-Man-like material, and certainly not hero material.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_24: Not that the left cares.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_24: They don't give a rip if an individual is out there committing a bunch of crimes as long as it furthers the agenda.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_24: It's that whole pure gaslighting argument that the left used to always use about President Donald Trump walking down the street and shooting somebody, and MAGA wouldn't care.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_24: No, no, no.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_24: They're talking about their own party, which is why they're trying to assign that type of stereotype to the right where it doesn't exist.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_24: Now, getting back to the accusations that Love, the guy dressed as Spider-Man, was putting forward, that the police were protecting white supremacy and not the individuals fighting back against it, the receipts tell a different story.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_24: MPD erected barricades, attempted to keep the opposing groups apart.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_24: They extracted the vehicle from the volatile crowd and arrested people on both sides.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_24: They were good and bad people on both sides, Kevin.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_24: Lang was protecting them from the crowd, and then arrested anyway from it.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_24: Love was arrested at City Hall.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_24: Love was protected from the crowd, excuse me.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_24: And then it was arrested away from it.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_24: This is what law enforcement did.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_24: Whereas Love was arrested at City Hall.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_24: That sequence, protection followed by arrest, is what impartial law enforcement looks like.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_24: Police protection is not a character reference, and an arrest is not a declaration of political loyalty.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_24: But the left would have you believe this.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_24: And this is where, like, on like I wish I could wish I had more background on the person that wrote this because, and I need to look at what their previous writings were, because how often are they aligning with the very individuals that have that mentality?
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_24: The silence is violence.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_24: The fact that the teachers union in America right now, the American Federation of Teachers, made up of almost two million teachers, has signed on to a protest of Target.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_24: Why do they sign on to a protest of Target?
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_24: Because they're saying that Target remained silent in their opposition to Operation Metro Surge.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_24: They're obviously trying to get attention, but this is the example that I wanted to give you because it fits.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_24: Silence is violence.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_24: You should have spoken out about it.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_24: So we're now going to target you for not saying something that we wanted you to say, and we're angry because you didn't do the thing that we wanted you to do.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_24: And in this case, they would be upset at law enforcement for arresting anybody pushing back on Lang because they feel morally justified on their end to do what they did.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_24: Three officers were hurt while carrying out that obligation.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_24: One was struck in the head with a hard object, another injured an ankle beneath a vehicle and uh was briefly hospitalized.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_24: Their injuries received little attention in a historic version of the story because uh they were complicit in casting.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_24: And this is where the interesting and what I didn't know about, and I was really appreciative of the article writer in this.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_24: Because they go so far as to go and to talk about Minneapolis Man, Baby, your mom jeans, Jacob Fry, urging residents to let what he called the lay mass racist rally fall flat and fade into irrelevance.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_24: Afterward, he said that if someone comes to Minneapolis, drives on the sidewalk, incites a riot, and threatens public safety, you're gonna get arrested.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_24: On Lang's alleged misconduct, the mayor was direct.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_24: What his widely reported comments did not include, though, was the equally direct sentence required for the other side.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_24: If you climb into a vehicle and punch someone because you hate his politics, you're going to get arrested too.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_24: If you throw objects at officers, your cause does not excuse you.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_24: If you answer racist speech with assault, the assault remains yours.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_24: And I'm going to take that right there.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_24: First off, amen, mic drop.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_24: And you may or may not may not have seen, but right now the family of Alex Predi have been making the rounds talking with national media.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_24: This is all an attempt by the left to put Operation Metro Surge back foremost in the spotlight.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_24: I have more examples of this to share with you on the show this morning.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_24: But this applies in those circumstances.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_24: This is the reason why Alex Predi and Renee Good lost their lives.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_24: If you throw objects at officers, if you block lawful law enforcement, if you attempt to run over them with a vehicle, if you're kicking out the taillights and spitting on law enforcement, if you are not stepping back from getting in the way of what they're doing, your cause does not excuse you.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_24: If you answer racist speech with assault, the assault remains yours.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_24: You know, I echoed the same sentiments of friend of the show and fellow uh host uh Jesse Kelly when he made uh comments online about those interviews with the Alex Predi family, saying that this was one of his sons, and I feel the same way.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_24: This was one of my sons that had gone and conducted themselves the way that they did and lost their lives for it.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_24: Would I be devastated?
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_24: Absolutely.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_24: Would I be wondering if I messed up as a father because my sons went and made that decision?
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_24: Absolutely.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_24: Would my boys be the ones responsible for their own actions?
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_24: Absolutely.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_24: Jacob Fry already knows the words.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_24: When Representative Ilhan Omar was attacked at a Minneapolis town hall in January, he called it unacceptable.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_24: He said that violence and intimidation have no place in Minneapolis.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_24: We can disagree without putting people at risk.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_24: He was right.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_24: The sentence did not need an exemption clause for Jake Lang.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_24: Imagine a right-wing mob, writes Dwayne Thielen in this Minneapolis Times piece.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_24: Imagine a right-wing mob following a progressive streamer like Hassan Piker from city to city, boarding his vehicle, punching him, chasing him down until he bled.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_24: Imagine a fundraiser praising the attacker as a patriotic superhero.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_24: No responsible progressive leader would explain the beating as a foreseeable consequence of Pikers' uh rhetoric.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_24: They would condemn it, and correctly so, because the principle cannot change with the identity of the victim.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_24: This was not Lang's first Minneapolis demonstration.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_24: In January, he brought a small group downtown for an anti-Muslim, anti-Somali rally.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_24: Hundreds of protesters ended up overwhelming his group.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_24: Then the event crossed the line.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_24: Counter-protesters shoved and punched Lang, chased him for blocks, and left him visibly bleeding in the back of the head.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_24: Videos show a man who had come to provoke the city running for shelter from the mob.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_24: News accounts reported no arrests from that assault.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_24: And the author says, I found no comparable public condemnation from the mayor or any other prominent local officials.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_24: Listen, hat tip and praise to this individual for deploying some common sense.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_24: And this message has no party exclusivity, by the way.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_24: You know, ignore at its least, mock at its most individuals like this, regardless of political affiliation, that are clearly going out and being provocative just so they can get attention and feed their social media platforms and make money off of it.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_24: But do not give in to this what you believe is justified in violent behavior just because you see or hear something that happens to be abhorrent.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_24: That's how you end up with losers on both sides of the argument.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_24: And in this case, I'm happy to see that so far it looks as if things have been handled appropriately.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_24: In terms of the Hennepin County Attorney's Office, Mary Moriarty not charging Lang, I would have thought charges would have ensued, but clearly they didn't have any to move on, or else you and I both know, as I mentioned, that Scary Moriarty absolutely would have thrown the book at Lange.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_24: At the same time, this alleged icon of the antifa fascist Spider-Man love with the history of criminal behavior is being charged appropriately.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_24: I talked about it yesterday.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_24: I'm going to mention it again today.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_24: There is a slow, subtle turn in the right direction for the country right now.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_24: Not every single controversial event may go this way, but we are starting to see shifts in the right direction.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_24: Now, the real question is, you know, is the Republican Party going to be able to capitalize on this come November?
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_24: And we all will sit back and have to wait to see.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_24: All right.
• 1:18:54
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• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_24: I haven't talked about Trump mulling renaming Lake Ontario to Lake America.
• 1:19:06
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• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_24: Patrick Coolikan is probably very upset about.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_24: He has an editorial today that I want to share with you.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_24: Attorney General Race.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_24: Why would we enlist a Trump ally in our fight against Trump?
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, the Trump derangement syndrome runs deep in this piece that I will share with you.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_24: Plus, we'll give you an update on how it started.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_24: Anoka was planning to build a water, uh Whitewater Surf Park as part of a$51 million project on the Rum River Dam.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_24: This was back in October 16th.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_24: It wasn't without controversy, though, because DFL Representative Zach Stevenson ended up diverting state funds to the city of Anoka, and the county of Anoka sued, specifically because Stevenson said in text messages that this was for revenge that he was pushing to move millions to the city of Anoka versus the county because of some jail issue.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_24: Well, a judge has uh ruled that the legislature did improperly divert that$6 million.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_24: Of course, the story in the Star Tribune kind of buries the lead considering this was a DFL leader, a leader in the house, DFL, that was the one that brought this whole thing about.
• 1:20:22
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  SPEAKER_24: So going back to October 16th of last year, how it started, the city of Anoka was planning a$51 million redevelopment of the Rum River Dam.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_24: This would include a whitewater surfing park, a navigation lock, a fishing fish passage, and dam modernization.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_24: The project was aiming to boost tourism, local economy, with construction projected to start in 2028.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_24: However, the city was facing a lawsuit from Anoka County over a$6.2 million grant, potentially impacting the project's funding.
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_24: So the Rum River Dam was built.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_24: Again, this goes back to October.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_24: The Rum River Dam was first built in 1853 to power mills and woodworking shops along the banks of the Rum River.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_24: Roughly 80 years later, after it was constructed, Anoka took ownership of the dam.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_24: The current structure was built in 1969 and is roughly 79 yards across.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_24: Now Anoka's been at the forefront.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_24: I love Inoka.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_24: We visit down there.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_24: My wife is down to Anoka all the time.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_24: It's not that far from where we live.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_24: Fantastic during the Halloween months, right?
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_24: The capital, Halloween capital of America or the world, and whichever title they they use.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_24: They've had their uh recent uh efforts to provide the outdoor entertainment, allowing alcoholic beverages out and about.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_24: So they've been out in the forefront of trying to attract tourism and making it a vibrant community.
• 1:26:39
  SPEAKER_24: Now, according to the city, the project would cost$51 million, which means that it probably would have ended up costing like$300 to$500 million.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_24: Usually that's how that stuff goes.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_24: To date, roughly$10.1 million had been obtained by the city for the project.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_24: Again, this was October of last year.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_24: The vast majority of those funds came from state grants.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_24: However, one of those grants, totaling$6.2 million, may soon be rescinded.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_24: And this also tells you how long it takes to get to the bottom of the stuff.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_24: Earlier this month, Alpha News reported that Anoka County had filed a lawsuit against the Minnesota Department of Transportation seeking to prevent that$6.2 million grant from being transferred to the City of Anoka for the damn project's pedestrian bridge.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_24: In the lawsuit, Anoka alleged that the funds in question were previously dedicated to the county and cannot be given to the city of Anoka without approval from the county.
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_24: So Anoka County indicated that it had no plan to issue such an approval and noted the two pedestrian bridges already exist within a quarter mile of the Run River Dam.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_24: Further, the county alleged that DFL State Representative Zach Stevenson orchestrated the pending transfer.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_24: Specifically, the county's lawsuit accuses the DFL of misusing the legislative process to finance his own pet property.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_24: Project at the expense of the Anoka County taxpayers.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_24: And why did they allege that?
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_24: Because, in my opinion, that's exactly what he did.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_24: And now a judge agrees.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_24: Stevenson represents the city of Anoka in a portion of Coon Rapids in the Minnesota House of Representatives.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_24: And last month, at the time of the writing of this article in October, he was elected leader of the House DFL caucus.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_24: Now, should the city of Anoka be allowed to keep that$6.2 million grant?
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_24: It is still more than$40 million away from reaching his$51 million goal.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_24: City documents state that Anoka is pursuing the available federal and state grants to provide further funds for the project.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_24: So that's how it started.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_24: How is it going?
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_24: According to the Star Tribune article, Judge Rule's legislature improperly diverted that$6 million from Anoka County after leader sought revenge.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_24: Just a leader.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_24: Just a leader.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_24: A leader sought revenge, guys.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, you mean DFL Representative Zach Stevenson that you decided not to leave, put in the headline?
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_24: Because I think you and I, uh you watching or listening, and myself and producer Devin all know that if if this was a GOP leader of the House who had done this, that would have been the appropriate lead of the story.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_24: After leader sought revenge in disclosed text, Judge Rule's legislature improperly diverted$6 million from Anoka County.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_24: That's how the headline should have read.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_24: But of course, they have to carry the water for the DFL, but they can't ignore the story altogether.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_24: So we'll just conveniently leave it out.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_24: Even the sub-headline, Anoka County was singled out solely as an act of revenge, the order says.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_24: But again, the headline, after leader sought revenge.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_24: You have to actually get into the story to find out, as it states.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_24: A district court judge ruled the legislature improperly redirected that$6 million from Anoka County.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_24: A move that House DFL leader Zach Stevenson said in a text message was revenge for the county's contentious jail project.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_24: So the Ramsey County District Court judge, Mark Ireland, sided with Anoka County.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_24: Said the transportation funding was unfairly diverted to the city of Anoka in order to construct the pedestrian bridge over Run River.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_24: Anoka County officials said they did not consent to the appropriation and have called the project a dubious boondoggle that would eventually bring whitewater surfing to the dam downtown.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_24: Are there a lot of surfers here in Minnesota that are clamoring for this?
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_24: I guess you would create surfers, I suppose.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_24: I just were you going surfing today?
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_24: I'm gonna go surf in a dam.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_24: It could be cool.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_24: I shouldn't disparage it too much.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, I was all for a water park back in my day.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_24: So uh the legal dispute escalated this spring when court documents revealed the text messages between Stevenson and the Anoka mayor.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_24: Stevenson told the mayor that the city would likely get the money for the dam from Anoka County's share of a special tax for transportation projects.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_24: So this is what Stevenson's text ended up uh reading.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_24: It says, so the county is likely going to be pretty pissed off about it.
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_24: Obviously, you should keep that to yourself for a bit.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_24: I consider it revenge for the jail and then F wordery.
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_24: So Fery.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_24: I consider it revenge.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_24: He said it, he said it right there.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_24: This was a pretty easy decision for the judge to make, in my opinion.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_24: The city for years has opposed the proposal, has opposed Anoka County's proposal to build a larger jail downtown.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_24: The drawn-out dispute, which deteriorated relationships distracted from other government businesses, has now led to multiple legal battles.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_24: So Stevenson said in a statement yesterday that doing that thing with my fingers, the judge got this one wrong.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_24: And I expect the case will be overturned on appeal.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_24: I've always fought for the district and the people that I represent, and this ruling doesn't change that.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_24: Too bad, so sad, dude.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_24: Your own words prove those statements completely wrong.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_24: A spokesperson for Stevenson previously said the count in the county's court filing, which includes his text, oh, it misrepresents a joke, which is fitting for a meritless lawsuit.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_24: So he's taking the uh St.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_24: Paul Mayor horny her defense of, oh, they just don't understand my humor.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_24: You know, when I talk about enacting revenge, I'm just kidding.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_24: I didn't really mean that.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_24: I just they don't get they don't get my humor.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_24: Humor doesn't translate well in texts.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_24: Don't, you know, it's that's not what that's not what I meant.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_24: That's not what I meant at all.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_24: I was just joking.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, and another text featured in court records, Stevenson wrote that he told a county commissioner, I thought the city of Anoka would not react well to the county blasting the city's top priority while simultaneously trying to work through the jail slash slash ramp issues.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_24: Uh the lawsuit is against the Minnesota Department of Transportation.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_24: It does not name Stevenson as a defendant.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_24: A spokesperson on Tuesday said the Minnesota Department of Transportation is reviewing the order and determining next steps.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_24: I'm wondering if the legislature needs to get involved in this the next time they uh they're in session.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_24: In his ruling, the judge wrote, There does not appear to be any specific need to Anoka County that necessitated the redirection of transportation funding to a float to park in the city of Anoka.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_24: Indeed, there is affirmative, unrebutted evidence that Anoka County was singled out solely as an act of revenge pertaining to a wholly separate matter pertaining to the location of the new jail, the ruling said.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_24: Man, if you were the city of Anoka getting this money, you'd gotta be pretty ticked off at DFL leader Stevenson at this point in time.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_24: Considering the fact that they might have gotten away with it if this moron hadn't put into a text specifically that this was being done out of revenge.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_24: I consider it revenge for the jail F wordy.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_24: Kind of hard to get away from that.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_24: So I imagine there's going to be uh a little bit more controversy between the city and uh and Zach Stevenson.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_24: That's DFL leadership for you, though.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_24: Don't really care about the issues.
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_24: Nope, not at all.
• 1:34:48
  SPEAKER_24: This was just revenge.
• 1:34:50
  SPEAKER_24: This was a pet project for Zach Stevenson.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_24: Who knows?
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_24: You know, maybe the gingered haired DFL representative was hoping to do some surfing on his own.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_24: Maybe it was a lifelong dream.
• 1:35:02
  SPEAKER_24: He should have gone with that excuse.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_24: It's always been my lifelong dream to be a surfer, and I don't have the opportunity to do that and still represent the good people of this community.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_24: This was just my chance to fulfill my childhood dream.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_24: Reminds me of the uh of the Seinfeld where you had uh Newman and Kramer going to court, and Kramer had to pretend that he was a banker, and that's why they were speeding because he was upset and never being able to become a banker.
• 1:35:29
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• 1:35:30
  SPEAKER_08: Dubious Boondoggle.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_08: Better racehorse or rock band?
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_24: I'll let myself out.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, I'm gonna go with um I'm gonna go racehorse.
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_24: I'm kind of with you.
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_24: Although Dubious Boondoggle is a pretty good band name, too, though.
• 1:35:46
  SPEAKER_24: I like it.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_24: I can't that's that's the tough thing about rock band or racehorse, is that often it can go either way.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_24: You could have it can do both.
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_24: I could see Dubie, I could hear Paul Allen, you know, calling dubious boondoggle rounding the bend at Canterbury.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_24: But I can also see, you know, dubious boondoggle taking the stage as the opening act for my chemical romance at Target Field.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_24: I think both are possible.
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• 1:37:27
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• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_21: Byron York is the chief political correspondent for the Washington Examiner, but you probably know him from his frequent appearances on Fox News.
• 1:37:41
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• 1:37:44
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• 1:37:49
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• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_24: And remember, we'll be at the Minnesota State Fair coming up on a Saturday.
• 1:38:19
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• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_24: But if you can't make it by uh to say uh hi to me, you can come by the booth at any time uh during the day and into the evening at uh the Minnesota State Fair Saturday.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_24: The booth will be located near the uh on the backside of the grandstand, near where the Minnesotan typically is, kind of in that area where a lot of the media, uh you'll find a majority of the um of the media outlets.
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_24: So hope you make plans to come and join us coming up on uh Saturday.
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_24: So uh the LET was going into a panic once again yesterday because amid the trade dispute with Canada, President Donald Trump proposed renaming Lake Ontario to Lake America.
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, our president loves to troll.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_24: I'm convinced, by the way, so he trolls like this, and then depending on the outrage from the troll, that's the determining factor on whether or not he actually moves forward to go and do this.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_24: So depending on how much the left freaks out, it may end up becoming Lake America over Lake Ontario.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_24: So while Trump has the authority to change how the U.S.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_24: government recognizes the geographic places, he cannot force Canada to adopt the new name.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_24: The proposal, which follows Trump's renaming of the Gulf of Mexico, highlights the strained relationship between the two uh countries.
• 1:39:39
  SPEAKER_24: Trump introduced the idea of renaming the easternmost uh area of the Great Lakes hours before the Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney's scheduled announcement of the reciprocal tariffs on U.S.
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_24: imports into his country.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_24: The United States is giving serious consideration to changing the name of Lake Ontario to Lake America, in that we don't expect to do uh much business with Ontario any longer, Trump posted on Monday to True Social.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_24: The White House followed later in the day by posting on social media a toy Lego map of the U.S.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_24: labeling the Gulf of Mexico with Trump's preferred name of the Gulf of America.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_24: Most and listen, despite how you feel about President Donald Trump, most entertaining presidency ever, right?
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, it's gotta be.
• 1:40:28
  SPEAKER_24: I don't really care either way.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_24: I know there will be those that complain that they wish President Donald Trump wouldn't go and do stuff like this because he's just inviting controversy.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_24: To that, I always say, does it matter?
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_24: Does it matter what Trump does?
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_24: Does it matter?
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_24: This is so superficial.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_24: I don't care either way if he ends up renaming this lake.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_24: I'm sure people in the region uh do.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_24: I just find it interesting, most because of how the left goes and freaks out and responds to it.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_24: And that's exactly what's happening with this, with this story.
• 1:40:57
  SPEAKER_24: On a much more sinister note, and I'll just use this moment to play this audio clip.
• 1:41:03
  SPEAKER_24: This was making the rounds yesterday.
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_24: This is Philadelphia district attorney Larry Kasner.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_24: He's talking about speaking of irrational leftist freakouts, the ballroom that Trump is building at the White House, okay?
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_24: Which is a safer way to go and entertain dignitaries, other officials at the White House.
• 1:41:25
  SPEAKER_24: I've always been in support of this.
• 1:41:27
  SPEAKER_24: Of course, the left flipped out saying it's a desecration.
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_24: He's destroying hollowed ground, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_24: And a judge ended up agreeing that no, Trump can move forward with the ballroom.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_24: So this has the left all spun up again.
• 1:41:37
  SPEAKER_24: This uh Philly DA, um, he goes so far as to say that he actually wants the ballroom blown up.
• 1:41:46
  SPEAKER_26: And I'm gonna have a paperweight sitting on my desk.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_26: You know what that paperweight's gonna be?
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_26: It's gonna be a piece of a ballroom after we all blow it up.
• 1:41:55
  SPEAKER_26: That's what it's gonna be.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_26: In an official, official ceremony, just so we're clear.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_26: In an official ceremony, we're gonna blow it up, and we're gonna give the taxpayers their money back by selling all the pieces as paperweights, and I will have one on my desk.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_24: No, he was being more honest in his first assessment.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_24: He's just he's a DA, probably not a dumb dude, who realized, oh, probably shouldn't talk about blowing things up that are attached to the White House.
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_24: Probably shouldn't talk about blowing things up that are attached to the president of the United States.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_24: I should probably make sure that I'm clear that this would be only in an official capacity.
• 1:42:39
  SPEAKER_24: You know, in that case, he should have said implode.
• 1:42:42
  SPEAKER_24: A piece of the ballroom after we implode it.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_24: Because that's typically what you do with buildings.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_24: You don't go and, you know, you don't go and blow them to smithereens.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_24: I still think that he meant the first thing that he was saying when he went and made that uh made that comment.
• 1:42:56
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• 1:43:00
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• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_24: John.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_24: Uh speaking of Trump derangement syndrome, let's go here.
• 1:43:12
  SPEAKER_24: So J.
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_24: Patrick Coolican.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_24: I've singled him out before.
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_24: Um, and I've done that because this was a person who's written for previous Minnesota publications.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_24: And, you know, for being on the left in some of those other publications, he came off as, you know, at least being somewhat rational in his commentary.
• 1:43:32
  SPEAKER_24: I don't agree with him on the issues.
• 1:43:35
  SPEAKER_24: We share a different ideology, obviously.
• 1:43:37
  SPEAKER_24: But no, it's all a scam.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_24: It all depends on what outlet he's writing for, because this piece here in the Minnesota Reformer from J.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_24: Patrick Coolikan, it is pure Trump derangement syndrome.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_24: So the headline is Attorney General Race, why would we enlist a Trump ally in our fight against Trump?
• 1:43:56
  SPEAKER_24: This was the opening line in this Minnesota Reformer article.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_24: Like I'm even hesitant to dive into the notes that I did in the story, pushing back on how ridiculous his arguments are just based off of this lead sentence alone.
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_24: Nevertheless, this is what he said.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_24: The most pressing issue for the next Minnesota attorney general, let me stop there.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_24: What comes into just as an exercise?
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_24: You can leave a comment if you want, but just as an exercise for you listening, whether you're watching or listening to the show via the Mix LR app or at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_24: What comes to mind when I say what is the most pressing issue for the next Minnesota Attorney General?
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_24: I'm gonna venture a guess that 99.9% of you said fraud.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_24: That's my guess.
• 1:44:47
  unknown: Right?
• 1:44:48
  SPEAKER_24: You could have said crime.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_24: Okay.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_24: For J.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_24: Patrick Coolikan, the most pressing issue for the next Minnesota Attorney General will be the ongoing fight to force the Trump administration to govern by the rule of law and the U.S.
• 1:45:04
  SPEAKER_24: Constitution.
• 1:45:06
  SPEAKER_24: First off, what examples does he want to give?
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_24: He doesn't really give any.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_24: He tries to, but you and I both know that when I dive into some of this, it's a lot of maybe he did this, perhaps it was this, might have been unconstitutional, might have been breaking the rule of law, none of which has actually been proven in court.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_24: But imagine being a political commentator here in Minnesota, okay?
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_24: And also, and somebody who was weak, he J.
• 1:45:34
  SPEAKER_24: Patrick Cooligin, he carries a certain amount of respect among the left.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_24: And like I said, I even had a little bit of respect for him in some of his previous writings when he was simply, you know, sort of calling in as he sees it.
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_24: But imagine being a political commentator and now being this delusional where you truly believe that statement to be true, that the most pressing issue for the next Minnesota attorney general is fighting against President Donald Trump.
• 1:46:00
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, I could go through the wrong track Minnesota list.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_24: Mississippi kids read better than Minnesota.
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_24: Minnesota is now below average state economically.
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_24: 55% of Minnesota students can't do math at a grade level.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_24: Minnesota taxes small businesses more than any other state.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_24: Minnesota's government led fraudster steal$9 billion.
• 1:46:19
  SPEAKER_24: Those are all fact-based wrong track Minnesota statements.
• 1:46:22
  SPEAKER_24: And all the details of those are available up at AmericanExperiment.org if you want to see the facts behind all those statements.
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_24: And while those are not all associated with the work of the Minnesota Attorney General's office, I just want to use them to underscore how stupid that statement is that the next attorney general's sole focus should be fighting the Trump administration.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_24: Nevertheless, he says when Trump's minions were withholding evidence from state and local law enforcement in the federal killings of Renee Good and Alex Predi, Ellison and Hennepin County attorney Moriarty sued the feds.
• 1:46:58
  SPEAKER_24: Last month they announced that the feds had turned over key evidence like Good's car.
• 1:47:05
  SPEAKER_24: Chalk that up to a win, I guess.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_24: After prosecutors charged the ICE agent, Christian Castro, alleging he shot an innocent man in the leg and then lied about it, Trump's ally, Texas Governor Greg Abbott, has been holding up Castro's extradition.
• 1:47:19
  SPEAKER_24: He has every right to go and do so.
• 1:47:20
  SPEAKER_24: And as a matter of fact, the Department of Justice says that they are further looking into the ICE agent's actions.
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_24: So there is justice being served in this for those that are looking for justice.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_24: All that Keith Ellison and Moriarty wanted was to use Castro as an example, get him here in Minnesota so they can go and campaign off of it for this upcoming election.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_24: Because right now, Ellison is in a dogfight with Ron Schutz for the attorney general seat, which is also the only reason why this piece exists.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_24: Because the DFL is circling the wagons around our commie attorney general, Thief Ellison.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_24: And right now, Ellison parading around, little man that he is, in his stupid little hat, needs all the help that he can get right now.
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_24: This is why you get ridiculous pieces like this coming out of the Minnesota Reformer from individuals who, I guess, have no problem whatsoever ruining whatever little credibility they might have had.
• 1:48:25
  SPEAKER_24: On another front, he goes on to say, when Trump assumed monarchical powers and levied tariffs, which have raised the price of nearly everything for American consumers, um, they're not monarchial powers.
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_24: They're just the powers of the presidency.
• 1:48:43
  SPEAKER_24: Were they, did he label those powers that Joe Biden utilized in the plethora of executive orders and memorandums that were written and signed off on by the autopen?
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_24: Ellison was among the attorney generals who had successfully sued to stop him, though Trump is at it again on that front.
• 1:49:08
  SPEAKER_24: Keith Ellison, excuse me, Keith Ellison has needlessly sued Trump over some 30 times.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_24: How much money has that cost taxpayers?
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_24: Not that hacks like Hooligan care.
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_24: Minnesotans have been in the fight for our lives against the Trump administration.
• 1:49:26
  SPEAKER_24: What an unbelievable statement.
• 1:49:29
  SPEAKER_24: And I'm gonna show you the example of how that is absolutely false.
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_24: Which has to rank among the most lawless in American history.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_24: It's gotten so bad that as ProPublica reported recently, federal judges across the country have called Trump's Justice Department at various times unlawful, unethical, unseemly, and otherwise dishonest.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_24: First off, ProPublica is another communist rag.
• 1:49:54
  SPEAKER_24: Second, most of the judges are all suffering from the same Trump derangement syndrome that J.
• 1:49:59
  SPEAKER_24: Patrick Kuolig.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_24: Is.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_24: But you know what?
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_24: Since they all said it, it must be true, right?
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_24: Which is why it wouldn't make any sense to elect a Trump ally to the job of Attorney General, who's Minnesota's chief legal officer.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_24: And to be sure, Republican nominee for Attorney General Ron Schutz is very much a Trump ally.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_24: The Republican Attorneys General Association is dropping a seven-figure ad by against Ellison.
• 1:50:23
  SPEAKER_24: Raga, as it's known, is connected to the mastermind of the Trump Supreme Court, Leonardo Leo.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_24: Leo is the co-chairman of a board of the Federalist Society and is closely connected to Raga and various other big money GOP groups, which shrewdly see state attorney, attorneys general as key policy and a political legal lever.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_24: So Kulakin now has the cork board, the yarn, and the pushpins out as he goes and puts together his conspiracy of the ties of Ron Schutz and the president and attorneys.
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_24: And oh my gosh.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_24: Schutz, who is a successful trial lawyer, I'm surprised he even said successful in this.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_24: And a fixture in Minnesota Conservative legal establishment has been a member of the Federalist Society for 30 years.
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_24: Okay.
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_24: The group has successfully implemented their right-wing judicial philosophy at the federal bench, including the current supermajority of the U.S.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_24: Supreme Court.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_24: What do you think that Attorney General Keith Ellison has been doing in his time in office?
• 1:51:29
  SPEAKER_24: Putting forward some sort of moderate job, moderate role as attorney general and what he's been doing?
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_24: No, this has been fully the attorney general doing everything he can to appease his leftist buddies from fraudsters to the anti-gun crowd.
• 1:51:51
  SPEAKER_24: Anything except for going and, you know, dealing with fraud.
• 1:51:56
  SPEAKER_24: Although Coolinkin later in the piece points to this here.
• 1:52:00
  SPEAKER_24: He says, uh, let's see.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_24: He actually calls out Ellison.
• 1:52:03
  SPEAKER_24: I will give him that much.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_24: Okay.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_24: He says he's been critical of DFL elected officials and their lackadaisical initial response to the rating of our state and federal treasury fraudsters.
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_24: Ellison came across during leaked audio of a meeting as utterly oblivious to what was happening or complicit, depending on what your viewpoint is.
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_24: While inappropriately criticizing the Walls administration, i.e., his client, I don't doubt that he didn't come into office hoping to focus on Medicaid fraud.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_24: This is Coolikan talking about Ellison.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_24: And I'm sure he doesn't love touting the work, especially when so much has been found in one community.
• 1:52:41
  SPEAKER_24: Regardless, his office informs me that they've charged people with Medicaid fraud, secured convictions since his tenure began in 2019.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, well, his office told Cooligan that.
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_24: So I guess it's all true.
• 1:52:55
  SPEAKER_24: Even though a majority of those convictions and the charges of those in Medicaid fraud came from the federal level that Ellison is simply going and trying to take credit for.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, but Ellison also hired a 20-year veteran of the FBI as a lead investigator.
• 1:53:10
  SPEAKER_24: This is the point that Coolikan lands on with this.
• 1:53:13
  SPEAKER_24: Point being, Ellison seems to have gotten the message.
• 1:53:15
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, so he cares about fraud now.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_24: He was all aligned with the actual fraudsters, saying that he would fight for them over the accusations that were absolutely appropriate that they were receiving.
• 1:53:27
  SPEAKER_24: But suddenly, you know, now, oh, Ellison's got the point.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_24: He cares about the fraud now.
• 1:53:32
  SPEAKER_24: As for shoots, he says, here's what he said during a TV interview when asked what he would do in the case of an unlawful decision on the part of the Trump administration.
• 1:53:41
  SPEAKER_24: What I can tell you is my goal is to protect the citizens of Minnesota.
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_24: To which Coolikan says, okay, sounds good.
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_24: But then this, I doubt if President Trump is going to be, you know, taking some action that would be blatantly illegal.
• 1:53:54
  SPEAKER_24: I know Dems think he does that.
• 1:53:55
  SPEAKER_24: I can tell you from having spent a lot of time in the courtroom, there can be a difference of opinion on this.
• 1:54:00
  SPEAKER_24: To which Coolikan ends his piece with, enough said.
• 1:54:04
  SPEAKER_24: Because he's lazy and he's a hack and he didn't have a good counterargument to that.
• 1:54:09
  SPEAKER_24: Just like he didn't have a good counterargument as to going and trying to say, well, I know Ellison isn't the best, but I still like him better over Schutz.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_24: He even failed on that front.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_24: Here's the part I wanted to focus on in this piece, though.
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_24: He says, How did Schutz react to ICE's lawless assault on the constitutional rights of Minnesotans?
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_24: That is a completely subjective term.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_24: Yes, there were some moments wherein you had actions that are being questioned and lawsuits moving forward.
• 1:54:39
  SPEAKER_24: But in total, the generalization here is not warranted at all, given the scope of the work that Operation Metro Surge was doing.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_24: And I'll give you the example in a moment, too.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_24: Schutz attacked Ellison for wasting taxpayer money suing the Trump administration to block ICE from doing their job, enforcing immigration laws in Minnesota.
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, it's a good thing.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_24: I'm glad that he did.
• 1:55:00
  SPEAKER_24: Were they enforcing immigration law, doing that thing with my fingers when uh they killed Gooden Preddy, or dragged an American citizen out of his home without a warrant, or racially profile countless Minnesotans, or stopped clergy and lawyers from visiting people in detention?
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_24: So let me just go point by point.
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_24: Enforcing immigration law when they killed Gooden Pready.
• 1:55:20
  SPEAKER_24: Gooden Preddy were trying to go and stop immigration enforcement from enforcing the law.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_24: They got in the way of lawful law enforcement's actions.
• 1:55:35
  SPEAKER_24: If they hadn't done that, they'd still be alive today.
• 1:55:38
  SPEAKER_24: I'd argue that's on them, not federal immigration officials.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_24: Were they enforcing immigration law?
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_24: Immigration enforcement officers were trying to, but they were kept from doing so when idiots like those on-the-street insurrectionists got in their way.
• 1:55:52
  SPEAKER_24: Racially profiling countless Minnesotans?
• 1:55:55
  SPEAKER_24: That's a completely false narrative.
• 1:55:57
  SPEAKER_24: We've never seen the provided evidence to that.
• 1:55:59
  SPEAKER_24: You had the, oh, what was it?
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_24: The Golden Valley police chief that was making those claims of the off-duty cops that said they were racially profiled.
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_24: Where did all that go?
• 1:56:09
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, those investigations went to the same place of the investigations of the Learing Center that was allegedly broken into with documents, and there was a press conference by a bunch of Somali leaders who were complaining that their place was targeted specifically because of what Nick Shirley had done in his investigative reporting, exposing the fraud that's being perpetuated by mostly individuals in the Somali community.
• 1:56:32
  SPEAKER_24: But suddenly that law, that uh that break-in just disappeared from anywhere, almost like they did it intentionally.
• 1:56:42
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, the American citizen dragged out of his home without a warrant?
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, because that American citizen didn't identify himself.
• 1:56:49
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, a mistake was made.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_24: But even then, immigration officials believed that there was an individual who had a warrant for their arrest in that house.
• 1:56:58
  SPEAKER_24: They came across this guy, and this guy refused to cooperate with law enforcement as they had a lawful warrant of arrest for another individual, and this guy wouldn't bother to go and prove that he wasn't that guy, which he had the ability to do.
• 1:57:12
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, and stopping clergy and lawyers from visiting people in detention.
• 1:57:16
  SPEAKER_24: I wonder if J.
• 1:57:17
  SPEAKER_24: Patrick Cooligan was as upset when Governor Jim Walls went and moved forward on all of his draconian COVID restrictions and made places of worship suffer under them.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_24: Give me a break already.
• 1:57:32
  SPEAKER_24: So a couple of things here.
• 1:57:33
  SPEAKER_24: This piece is exists.
• 1:57:35
  SPEAKER_24: It exists because Ellison, again, is in a fight for his political future as attorney general in this upcoming election.
• 1:57:44
  SPEAKER_24: And it's also written because the left continues to try to go and push Operation Metro Surge back into the forefront of everybody's minds because DFLers here in the state of Minnesota have nothing to run on.
• 1:57:59
  SPEAKER_24: They set this path, this the this they've set this state on a path of economic devastation, policy devastation during the time when they had all the power.
• 1:58:14
  SPEAKER_24: During the last legislative session and the last election results, the GOP was able to stop the bleeding, grabbing a tiority in the House and with the Senate only having a couple of votes majority, the DFL was thwarted in moving further left the state.
• 1:58:35
  SPEAKER_24: That's what's at stake now.
• 1:58:38
  SPEAKER_24: What we're dealing with is a still a post-DFL trifecta policies here in Minnesota that has put us on a path that we don't want to be on.
• 1:58:49
  SPEAKER_24: And because Democrats have nothing to run on, they are trying to find anything that they can push back on.
• 1:58:54
  SPEAKER_24: And that's why suddenly now Metro Surge is all over the place.
• 1:58:58
  SPEAKER_24: Even the Minnesota reformer that I was just referencing, they have a headline today.
• 1:59:02
  SPEAKER_24: ICE arrests in Minnesota return to pre-surge levels while soaring nationwide.
• 1:59:10
  SPEAKER_24: This is all just meant to keep Operation Metro Surge alive when it's basically not news, or at least not news from the standpoint that they want it to believe.
• 1:59:20
  SPEAKER_24: So everything is fine in Minnesota, but ICE is still continuing their operations.
• 1:59:25
  SPEAKER_24: The only reason why you even know that ICE is continuing operations is because it's being reported on.
• 1:59:31
  SPEAKER_24: Which was the point that was made by myself and others over and over and over again during Metro Surge that if you didn't have a bunch of morons taken to the streets of Minneapolis, putting their lives at risk at the urging of the DFL, the Democrat leftist leaders in Minnesota, you probably wouldn't even be aware that ICE was conducting operations in the state.
• 1:59:53
  SPEAKER_24: There was no chilling effect being sent into communities.
• 1:59:56
  SPEAKER_24: Communities were not having to deal with chaos.
• 1:59:59
  SPEAKER_24: They weren't being torn apart.
• 2:00:03
  SPEAKER_24: All of the controversies going back to the end and the beginning of this year, related to Metro Surge was almost 100% caused by the DFL rhetoric that encouraged individuals to take to the streets and block lawful law enforcement.
• 2:00:17
  SPEAKER_24: And the proof is in the fact that right now ICE arrests jumped nearly 50,000 in July, the highest monthly total of Trump's second term.
• 2:00:28
  SPEAKER_24: And you never heard about it because there was no controversy behind it, because these arrests were taking place and it was not having an impact on any of the legal citizens surrounding when these warrants are executed.
• 2:00:41
  SPEAKER_24: It's no different than when law enforcement, even today here in Minnesota, will go out and issue their own arrest warrants of individuals.
• 2:00:50
  SPEAKER_24: You rarely ever hear about it.
• 2:00:51
  SPEAKER_24: Why?
• 2:00:52
  SPEAKER_24: Because it's just what happens in a society where we have law enforcement and we have officials that are enforcing the law.
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_24: It's normal.
• 2:01:01
  SPEAKER_24: What's not normal is encouraging average citizens armed with only their cell phones to take to the streets and block the lawful law enforcement actions of law enforcement officers that have every legal right to go and arrest these criminals and in this case deport them back from the place that they came.
• 2:01:43
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• 2:01:45
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• 2:01:48
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• 2:01:52
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• 2:01:55
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• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, good Lord, Cooligan's sitting there like there's some dark cabal of Republican attorneys general trying to uh take charge of these state attorney generals five.
• 2:02:12
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, good lord, the left actually created this specific strategy a long time ago.
• 2:02:19
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sure he's all in favor of it.
• 2:02:21
  SPEAKER_08: Doesn't seem to be mentioning that dark cabal.
• 2:02:25
  SPEAKER_08: Good.
• 2:02:27
  SPEAKER_24: Thank you as always for the uh comment.
• 2:02:29
  SPEAKER_24: 612-584-4565.
• 2:02:33
  SPEAKER_24: I want to go here.
• 2:02:34
  SPEAKER_24: Um, Redhead Ranting at RedheadRanting on X, a fantastic follow, by the way.
• 2:02:41
  SPEAKER_24: Posted this yesterday.
• 2:02:43
  SPEAKER_24: Caught my attention.
• 2:02:45
  SPEAKER_24: So I thought I'd share it with you.
• 2:02:47
  SPEAKER_24: Here's what Redhead Ranting had to uh say.
• 2:02:50
  SPEAKER_24: I just had an interesting conversation with a young woman campaigning for Peggy Flanagan and Amy Klobishar.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_24: She and I probably agree on 90% of the topics we covered.
• 2:03:01
  SPEAKER_24: Interesting.
• 2:03:02
  SPEAKER_24: Which included abortion, trans ideology, Minnesota fraud, therapy, COVID, and the Minneapolis riots.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_24: Some of her beliefs were just flat out racist with regard to the Somali fraud, which absolutely shocked me, writes Redhead Ranting on X.
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_24: Her opinion was that Somalis came here with the intent to commit as much fraud as possible, which is not my position, she says.
• 2:03:25
  SPEAKER_24: She agreed that trans is a social contagion, but still believed that we should believe kids when they say they are whoever they are.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_24: Her position on most of these things, fraud is bad, rioting is bad, trans is a contagion.
• 2:03:42
  SPEAKER_24: Yet, because she understood why someone would choose to do any of these things, she thinks these things, she was okay with it.
• 2:03:50
  SPEAKER_24: All right.
• 2:03:51
  SPEAKER_24: In her mind, feelings should always come first, even though she admitted they change.
• 2:03:57
  SPEAKER_24: That's key to the point I want to make, by the way.
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_24: Redhead ranting goes on to say, This is blowing my mind because we agreed on just about everything, but she still believes the progressive policies and candidates had our best interest at heart.
• 2:04:11
  SPEAKER_24: There's a reason for that.
• 2:04:13
  SPEAKER_24: It's sad, says Redhead.
• 2:04:16
  SPEAKER_24: I don't think we can bridge this gap.
• 2:04:19
  SPEAKER_24: I did mention the cast report because she's not familiar with it and recommended it.
• 2:04:23
  SPEAKER_24: This, of course, is the report regarding the trans children.
• 2:04:28
  SPEAKER_24: Um, Abigail Schreier's book, Irreversible Damages, and she wrote uh them both down and said that she would read them.
• 2:04:36
  SPEAKER_24: So maybe there is hope on the trans issue.
• 2:04:38
  SPEAKER_24: Here's the point that I wanted to make on this, and I'm not the first person to say this.
• 2:04:42
  SPEAKER_24: I actually heard it from somebody else, but it was one of the most profound statements that I had heard uh in recent memory regarding voters here in Minnesota.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_24: DFL voters want to vote for Democrats who lead like Republicans.
• 2:05:00
  SPEAKER_24: And this is a really, really good example of that.
• 2:05:03
  SPEAKER_24: There is plenty of common ground to be had.
• 2:05:08
  SPEAKER_24: But in this sentence that Redhead Ranting wrote, in her mind, feelings should always come first, even though she admitted they changed.
• 2:05:16
  SPEAKER_24: That's what the DFL, that's what the Democrats, that's what the DSA, the Democrats Socialists, that's what the communists have been targeting.
• 2:05:24
  SPEAKER_24: Feelings always come first.
• 2:05:27
  SPEAKER_24: When they convince their voters that that's the case, it makes it a lot easier to convince them that you can never vote for anybody who's aligned with anything on the right because they've attached feelings to negativity anytime Republicans or conservatives are mentioned.
• 2:05:46
  SPEAKER_24: Even though, it's anecdotal, but I've heard this before and I go back to the previous statement.
• 2:05:52
  SPEAKER_24: This DFL voter would like nothing more than to vote for an individual who votes for the most part in line with conservative values, apart from a trans issue, which may actually be able to have her mind changed based off of what Redhead Ranting had said that she shared with this individual.
• 2:06:10
  SPEAKER_24: Maybe they will come over to conservatism.
• 2:06:13
  SPEAKER_24: But again, it's a really, really good example of just how effective the left has been in vilifying the right and convincing the broken and the brainwashed of their supporters to never go and support anybody on the right.
• 2:06:24
  SPEAKER_24: Because even when you have somebody on the right that might be talking in a language on the issues that those typical Democrat voters agree with, they still will not go and pull the trigger for those Republicans or will certainly be less inclined to simply because they are a Republican.
• 2:06:43
  SPEAKER_24: You know, and keeping with the theme, you know, this is how they win elections.
• 2:06:48
  SPEAKER_24: And Democrats also know this is a losing strategy, either consciously or subconsciously.
• 2:06:54
  SPEAKER_24: It's ultimately a losing strategy because it's not rooted in anything genuine and authentic.
• 2:06:59
  SPEAKER_24: It's rooted in a bunch of lies that Democrats tell about Republicans.
• 2:07:02
  SPEAKER_24: And if there are Democrat voters willing and open-minded enough, like potentially this individual that Redhead Ranting was talking to, to actually go and change their feelings and vote, then it makes it less effective for the left to continue with their propaganda campaign against the right.
• 2:07:20
  SPEAKER_24: But of course, you and I both know that's not the only way that the left wants to try to go and win elections.
• 2:07:26
  SPEAKER_24: They've also have been trying to set the stage to allow illegal immigrants the ability to go and sway those elections.
• 2:07:33
  SPEAKER_24: It's why they've pushed back so hard on the Save America Act.
• 2:07:36
  SPEAKER_24: It's why they're out there vilifying and demonizing the Supreme Court in the wake of their ruling in the favor of the Trump administration over a portion of his executive order relating to securing voter integrity in our mail-in balloting through the U.S.
• 2:07:50
  SPEAKER_24: Postal Service.
• 2:07:52
  SPEAKER_24: And it's also why they fully accepted the fact that Joe Biden let millions upon millions of illegal aliens to come into the country during his time in office because they wanted to go and take advantage of it.
• 2:08:03
  SPEAKER_24: Bill Davis on Real America's Voice, I played a clip from him yesterday on Fox News, but he was on Real America's Voice yesterday talking about this very issue regarding illegal aliens voting for Democrat politicians.
• 2:08:16
  SPEAKER_24: Here's what Mike Davis had to say.
• 2:08:31
  SPEAKER_27: That's how they uh earn and use their power is through mass voter fraud.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_27: And they know that if we have a postal service that is not going to participate in that mass voter fraud, the Democrat Party is not going to win elections.
• 2:08:49
  SPEAKER_24: Absolutely correct.
• 2:08:50
  SPEAKER_24: All right, let's get back to some of your thoughts.
• 2:08:52
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• 2:08:56
  SPEAKER_24: We'll hear from a friend of the show who has a question for me.
• 2:08:59
  SPEAKER_07: Hey, good morning, John.
• 2:09:00
  SPEAKER_07: I'm just curious, in your opinion, why is it that uh the Democratic leadership is no longer encouraging their rank and file to get out there and protest against science?
• 2:09:13
  SPEAKER_07: What changed?
• 2:09:15
  SPEAKER_24: Because it's too close to the general election.
• 2:09:19
  SPEAKER_24: It is not the majority opinion of individuals here in the country to be pro-illegal immigration.
• 2:09:26
  SPEAKER_24: The left wants you to believe that.
• 2:09:28
  SPEAKER_24: During Operation Metro Surge, they desperately and successfully tried to go and paint for their base a picture of Trump being this king, an authoritarian dictator.
• 2:09:43
  SPEAKER_24: When really what the left has been doing all along is pushing totalitarianism.
• 2:09:47
  SPEAKER_24: That's not something that's not talked about nearly enough, and something that we'll certainly talk about further in upcoming shows.
• 2:09:54
  SPEAKER_24: But during the time of Operation Metro Surge, even the throngs of individuals that came out to the protest represented only a fraction of the voters here in the state of Minnesota.
• 2:10:04
  SPEAKER_24: It was politically expedient at the time, far enough away from the primary, far enough away from the general election to encourage idiots to take to the streets and block lawful law enforcement in order to create this false narrative of Trump being a dictator, of Trump being an authoritarian, of Trump being a king, even though it's not the majority view of how people feel.
• 2:10:28
  SPEAKER_24: The media played along with that.
• 2:10:32
  SPEAKER_24: They carried the water for the DFL.
• 2:10:34
  SPEAKER_24: They continue to do so now as they try to make MetroSurge an issue again, when, as the Minnesota reformer reported, the arrests of illegal aliens via ICE here in Minnesota is actually down.
• 2:10:45
  SPEAKER_24: It takes place all the time.
• 2:10:46
  SPEAKER_24: I've said it many times.
• 2:10:47
  SPEAKER_24: I'll say it again.
• 2:10:48
  SPEAKER_24: There were more individuals who were arrested and deported here in Minnesota under the Biden administration in the time that he was in office than there has been since Trump got back into office for a second term.
• 2:11:00
  SPEAKER_24: But you never see that stat reported anywhere.
• 2:11:03
  SPEAKER_24: And so to encourage individuals to take to the streets now to block what's been happening with ICE agents, because July represented the largest arrested totals since the Trump administration started the ICE operations, going back to when he started his second term.
• 2:11:25
  SPEAKER_24: It's not politically expedient for them anymore.
• 2:11:27
  SPEAKER_24: It could backfire on them.
• 2:11:30
  SPEAKER_24: And it gives ammunition to those on the right if there's any of those leaders that are running for election or re-election who end up making statements encouraging people to go and do that.
• 2:11:40
  SPEAKER_24: There's too much volatility.
• 2:11:41
  SPEAKER_24: But really, what it backs up to is the left never really cares about the issues they care about.
• 2:11:46
  SPEAKER_24: Because to your point, if the left really cared about the issue of immigrations and customs enforcement, then they would be encouraging people to go and do what they were doing before at the beginning and the end of the year.
• 2:11:55
  SPEAKER_24: They would be encouraging people to go to the Whipple building.
• 2:11:58
  SPEAKER_24: They would be encouraging people to Go and observe ice on the streets.
• 2:12:03
  SPEAKER_24: What happened to all those groups that were out there watching and letting everybody know where to go and grab their Vu Vuzuelas and whistles to go and make noise and get in the way of law enforcement?
• 2:12:13
  SPEAKER_24: It's not politically expedient for them anymore, and it could backfire on them.
• 2:12:16
  SPEAKER_24: But if they really cared about the issue, they would be doing what they did earlier this year, but they don't.
• 2:12:21
  SPEAKER_24: It was all for political expediency.
• 2:12:24
  SPEAKER_24: It was all political theater.
• 2:12:25
  SPEAKER_24: And the tragedy is people died because of it.
• 2:12:29
  SPEAKER_24: Renee Good and Alex Prady would be alive today, more than likely, if you never had Walls, Thief Ellison, Minneapolis, Man Baby Mayor, Mom Jeans, Jacob Fryer, any of them encouraging people to take to the streets to observe.
• 2:12:43
  SPEAKER_24: Just like you probably wouldn't have seen a riot this weekend when Jake Lang was proposing his ridiculously over-the-top offensive and counterproductive to the conservative movement rally, and he had less than half a dozen people show up in support of him.
• 2:12:58
  SPEAKER_24: He would have been there, he would have done his thing, he would have left, and nobody would have been aware of the majority of what he had to say or what he was doing.
• 2:13:06
  SPEAKER_24: But it was more politically expedient for what?
• 2:13:08
  SPEAKER_24: For Minneapolis man, baby, mayor, mom, jeans, Jacob Fry to tell people, oh, don't you guys go do that?
• 2:13:14
  SPEAKER_24: You ignore him.
• 2:13:16
  SPEAKER_24: You ignore this event that'll be taking place at this location, at this particular time, with this particular individual focused on these particular issues.
• 2:13:25
  SPEAKER_24: You just ignore all of those details that I just gave you and stay home.
• 2:13:29
  SPEAKER_24: Winky Winky, nudge nudge.
• 2:13:32
  SPEAKER_11: Can we infer from Ellison being in trouble and the lack of protests from the ICE arrest as being a derivative of Trump's funding cuts to these nonsense organizations, and therefore the Democrats don't have their riot and their election scam funding?
• 2:13:54
  SPEAKER_24: It certainly is an interesting observation, right?
• 2:13:57
  SPEAKER_24: I know I'm the first one to point this out.
• 2:13:59
  SPEAKER_24: I have no evidence of that being the case, but I have seen other individuals make similar comments that with the removal of the USAID funds, suddenly this year during the optimal protesting months when the weather is conducive to inviting a bunch of people to take to the streets to go and push and promote leftist causes, it's been eerily quiet.
• 2:14:21
  SPEAKER_24: You've had a smattering of protests taking place, but certainly not what we've seen at the university level, like we've seen in years past.
• 2:14:27
  SPEAKER_24: And a lot of people, as we just had uh inferred by Jody, a lot of people have been speculating that maybe it's because they're not receiving the funding anymore in order to go and conduct those operations.
• 2:14:42
  SPEAKER_24: Your guess is as good as mine.
• 2:14:47
  SPEAKER_24: So in Minneapolis, got a couple of items before we talk with our guest coming up.
• 2:14:51
  SPEAKER_24: We have uh independent auditor uh candidate, uh Jay Reeves.
• 2:14:55
  SPEAKER_24: He's gonna be joining us just after the uh bottom of the hour.
• 2:14:58
  SPEAKER_24: Looking forward to talking with uh Jay Reeves.
• 2:15:00
  SPEAKER_24: His website is JReves4mn.com.
• 2:15:04
  SPEAKER_24: So we're gonna talk about his staying in the auditor's race uh and uh why he, you know, why he believes you should vote for him as an independent auditor in Minnesota.
• 2:15:13
  SPEAKER_24: So we'll talk to him at the uh bottom of the hour.
• 2:15:15
  SPEAKER_24: However, for Malfa News, more than two weeks after St.
• 2:15:17
  SPEAKER_24: Paul closed its largest homeless encampment near Pig's Eye Park, residents living near another encampment along the Mississippi River bluffs say the situation has grown increasingly concerning.
• 2:15:30
  SPEAKER_24: There's an interesting story that I'm gonna couple with this out of Fox News, coming up in just a moment as I work through the details of this story.
• 2:15:38
  SPEAKER_24: It really, in my mind, um raises some questions regarding whether or not all of this is happening intentionally.
• 2:15:52
  SPEAKER_24: More than two weeks after St.
• 2:15:53
  SPEAKER_24: Paul closed its homeless encampment, you have residents saying that it has taken absolutely a turn for the worse over here.
• 2:16:00
  SPEAKER_24: This was a resident of the Waterford Bay Apartments to Alpha News.
• 2:16:04
  SPEAKER_24: We had to call police about what sounded like gunshots.
• 2:16:09
  SPEAKER_24: Further in the story, it actually goes so far as to even um talk about the fact that they hear a lot of construction work going on saying they might even be building structures.
• 2:16:20
  SPEAKER_24: It sounded like a generator was being used to build some serious structures back there, the type we would need permits for, said the resident.
• 2:16:29
  SPEAKER_24: The resident who asked not to be identified because of safety concerns, reached out to Alpha News saying it's pretty scary back there.
• 2:16:35
  SPEAKER_24: So I don't have a ton of footage, but I am truly amazed and horrified at what we saw and continued to see, he said before sharing several daytime videos of the encampment on Alpha News.
• 2:16:48
  SPEAKER_24: The video, which is available at alpha news.org if you want to see it for yourself, was taken by a resident who said it's too dangerous to enter there at night when it's not uncommon to hear gunshots and people screaming for help.
• 2:16:58
  SPEAKER_24: So the question is, why are we not doing anything about this?
• 2:17:01
  SPEAKER_24: Why do we allow this pig's eye park encampment to close, but then the individuals who refuse to go and seek help through professional services end up just scurrying off into the woods and setting up the encampment there?
• 2:17:15
  SPEAKER_24: I may have found the answer through an unlikely source.
• 2:17:18
  SPEAKER_24: I'm going to raise this question coming up here in a second on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment because there's some interesting homeless advocacy fraud taking place in other states.
• 2:17:31
  SPEAKER_24: And based off of what I'm hearing in this in this reporting, I'm thinking that it's time to go and take a look at exactly what's happening with our own state and city-funded homeless advocacy programs to see if maybe the same thing might be occurring.
• 2:17:50
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  SPEAKER_23: Is the Declaration of Independence worth celebrating?
• 2:20:10
  SPEAKER_23: 66% of Minnesotans said yes, the Declaration of Independence worth celebrating.
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  SPEAKER_23: That's that's just 4% crank, you know, in this in this poll.
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  SPEAKER_23: Um we can we can ignore that.
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  SPEAKER_23: This these numbers might be different today, but 54% thought America was a force for good in the world, 41% not a force for good, 5% unsure.
• 2:20:52
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• 2:20:56
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• 2:21:49
  SPEAKER_21: Now, one of Keith Ellison's campaign donors has pleaded guilty to fraud.
• 2:21:54
  SPEAKER_21: No, shocking, I know.
• 2:21:56
  SPEAKER_21: For what it's worth, uh became the last of a seven-member family group to plead guilty in the sprawling Feeding Our Future fraud scandal last week.
• 2:22:04
  SPEAKER_21: Ikram Youssef Mohammed, who once worked as a Feeding Our Future employee, but more excitingly, was present at the infamous 2021, December 2021 meeting where Keith Ellison, our own attorney general, met with some fraud-connected individuals.
• 2:22:18
  SPEAKER_21: She was in that meeting.
• 2:22:20
  SPEAKER_21: So a few days after that meeting took place, back in December 2021, her brother, Gandhi, who just pled guilty last week, donated the maximum allowed amount to Keith Ellison's campaign.
• 2:22:31
  SPEAKER_21: It was$2,500.
• 2:22:33
  SPEAKER_21: But this is so interesting because Gandhi was not only being investigated for food fraud.
• 2:22:37
  SPEAKER_21: And we've seen this with several frauds.
• 2:22:38
  SPEAKER_21: Gandhi Mohammed received at least$36 million in Medicaid reimbursements, as well as the stuff that he was making off the free food fraud case.
• 2:22:48
  SPEAKER_21: But he hasn't been charged with fraud in those programs yet.
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• 2:24:10
  SPEAKER_24: We were just talking a moment ago.
• 2:24:11
  SPEAKER_24: It's a disaster.
• 2:24:13
  SPEAKER_24: St.
• 2:24:13
  SPEAKER_24: Paul residents says Mississippi River bluff encampment has taken a turn for the worst.
• 2:24:18
  SPEAKER_24: A video taken shows by a resident saying it's not uncommon to hear gunshots screaming for help, as we previously mentioned.
• 2:24:25
  SPEAKER_24: The latest account echoes concerns raised by other waterfront, oh, excuse me, Waterford Bay residents before and immediately after St.
• 2:24:34
  SPEAKER_24: Paul closed the Pig's Eye Park encampment.
• 2:24:37
  SPEAKER_24: Earlier this month, Alpha News reported that residents saw what they described as a traumatic influx of people, vehicles, and belongings near the wooded encampment following the Pig's Eye closure.
• 2:24:50
  SPEAKER_24: One resident described seeing a flood of vehicles.
• 2:24:52
  SPEAKER_24: Another said there had to be a convoy upon convoy of trucks, vans, and other vehicles bringing in tents, mattresses, tarps, and belongings to the area.
• 2:25:02
  SPEAKER_24: The latest resident who contacted Alpha News said that he is particularly concerned about the apparent lack of urgency surrounding the situation.
• 2:25:10
  SPEAKER_24: Listen, to that point, I'm looking further into the story here.
• 2:25:14
  SPEAKER_24: You've got calls near the Waterford Bay encampment increasing since the city closed the Pig Eye Park encampment back on August 5th.
• 2:25:24
  SPEAKER_24: Police have confirmed receiving multiple shots fired calls near the encampment.
• 2:25:28
  SPEAKER_24: In two cases, officers didn't uh did not locate evidence of a shooting at the time.
• 2:25:33
  SPEAKER_24: Records provided to Alpha News show 212 police entries between between June 1st and August 21st.
• 2:25:42
  SPEAKER_24: At several addresses around Randolph Avenue and Shepherd Road.
• 2:25:46
  SPEAKER_24: Of those, 139 occurred in the 17 days since Pig's eye and its closure, compared to 73 two months before.
• 2:25:55
  SPEAKER_24: Listen, the failure to shut these down is apparent out of from the get-go.
• 2:26:01
  SPEAKER_24: Since August 5th, the records show 50 proactive police visits, four foot patrols, along with 21 disorderly person disturbances, 13 fire or ambulance uh assists, 10 suspicious person calls, vehicle or activity calls, three reports categorized as discharging of a firearm within city limits.
• 2:26:24
  SPEAKER_24: Can you imagine any other location that includes people?
• 2:26:30
  SPEAKER_24: Okay, a home, an apartment complex.
• 2:26:32
  SPEAKER_24: You name it.
• 2:26:34
  SPEAKER_24: Oh, listen, remember the um, and I can't remember the name of the liquor store, but there was a liquor store that was in the news because that particular shopping center in Minneapolis had seen, had been prone to a whole bunch of crime taking place.
• 2:26:47
  SPEAKER_24: Even Keith Ellison, Attorney General Thief Ellison got involved in that as well.
• 2:26:51
  SPEAKER_24: My point is, can you imagine any other location receiving this much police and fire attention and nothing happening?
• 2:27:03
  SPEAKER_24: It just continues as if it's commonplace.
• 2:27:06
  SPEAKER_24: This whole thing has had me scratching my head.
• 2:27:08
  SPEAKER_24: Why why?
• 2:27:09
  SPEAKER_24: Why, why, why, why are they allowing this?
• 2:27:14
  SPEAKER_24: Well, I heard this.
• 2:27:15
  SPEAKER_24: And and I don't know if there's a correlation between the two.
• 2:27:17
  SPEAKER_24: I just found it interesting and I wanted to share it with you.
• 2:27:22
  SPEAKER_24: So, Los Angeles has a homeless service authority.
• 2:27:28
  SPEAKER_24: I did a little digging.
• 2:27:29
  SPEAKER_24: It turns out St.
• 2:27:30
  SPEAKER_24: Paul and Minneapolis do too.
• 2:27:32
  SPEAKER_24: So this is reporting on Fox News regarding what's happening in Los Angeles with this homeless service authority.
• 2:27:39
  SPEAKER_24: Listen to this.
• 2:27:40
  SPEAKER_01: So LA's top homeless agency coming under fire over how they are managing a ballooning crisis.
• 2:27:45
  SPEAKER_01: According to the California Post, LA Homeless Services Authority, a taxpayer-funded city agency, is renting office space in a luxury LA tower complete with amenities like a helipad, car service, cold plunge, and swanky gym.
• 2:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: And while the people they claim to be helping are living in squalor, the agency telling Fox its luxury building lease was competitively selective, saves taxpayers millions, and public funds don't pay for the amenities.
• 2:28:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is the same agency that LA Merrican Bass sits on, but she is apparently nowhere to be found.
• 2:28:20
  SPEAKER_01: A new report says Mayor Bass has skipped more than half of the group's meetings, and residents have clearly had enough.
• 2:28:31
  SPEAKER_22: Is it animal or human waste?
• 2:28:34
  SPEAKER_22: Six, seven men out here, like on drugs.
• 2:28:37
  SPEAKER_22: I can't go up and say, hey, can you go away?
• 2:28:39
  SPEAKER_22: I don't I don't want to jump in with my life.
• 2:28:40
  SPEAKER_22: Like Gotham City, you need like like a Batman to come help you or save you or something because I'm in danger of being bankrupt and homeless myself.
• 2:28:48
  SPEAKER_22: And then will the city protect me then?
• 2:28:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 2:28:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is I guess just adding insult to any.
• 2:28:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I found this story interesting, right?
• 2:28:59
  SPEAKER_24: As we talk about fraud, we're going to talk with the uh independent candidate for state auditor, uh Jay Reeves, here in just a moment.
• 2:29:06
  SPEAKER_24: He's uh waiting in the in the chat, and we'll bring him on in just a just a second.
• 2:29:11
  SPEAKER_24: But we talk about fraud in all these different venues.
• 2:29:14
  SPEAKER_24: Before I wrap up the show today, Channel 5's found a new avenue of fraud.
• 2:29:18
  SPEAKER_24: It's something we've talked about before, but they've done some investigative reporting, fake website calling out the reality of ghost to student problems at Minnesota colleges.
• 2:29:27
  SPEAKER_24: Which program is the government putting forward that's not fraudulent at this point in time?
• 2:29:31
  SPEAKER_24: Here in Los Angeles, you have alleged fraud taking place with a homeless advocacy group funded by taxpayers.
• 2:29:39
  SPEAKER_24: Well, Minneapolis has the homeless prevention and response taxpayer-funded homeless advocacy group.
• 2:29:46
  SPEAKER_24: St.
• 2:29:46
  SPEAKER_24: Paul has the homeless assistance response taxpayer-funded homeless advocacy group.
• 2:29:54
  SPEAKER_24: So a couple of things pop into mind.
• 2:29:55
  SPEAKER_24: First off, are they addressing any of what's taking place here when it comes to these homeless encampments?
• 2:30:01
  SPEAKER_24: The rampant crime, the police calls, the police and fire calls to the locations, the dangerous circumstances, the potential of infrastructure being created outside of luxury apartment homes.
• 2:30:13
  SPEAKER_24: What kind of funding is the Minneapolis Homeless Prevention and Response Program getting?
• 2:30:17
  SPEAKER_24: What about the St.
• 2:30:18
  SPEAKER_24: Paul Homeless Assistance Response Program getting?
• 2:30:20
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, just throwing it out there.
• 2:30:23
  SPEAKER_24: Perhaps some uh intrepid uh journalists can uh do a little digging and find out whether or not we might have a similar circumstance as to what's happening in Los Angeles.
• 2:30:33
  SPEAKER_24: I have no evidence of that.
• 2:30:34
  SPEAKER_24: I just found it rather peculiar since we've found out about similar fraud taking place across the country that um dovetails very closely to what we've been uh dealing with here in uh Minnesota for uh quite a long time.
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• 2:31:01
  SPEAKER_24: I'm very pleased to welcome uh in to the show, independent candidate for state uh auditor, Jay Reeves.
• 2:31:08
  SPEAKER_24: Jay Reeves 4MN, allspelled out.com is the website.
• 2:31:11
  SPEAKER_24: Good morning, Jay.
• 2:31:12
  SPEAKER_24: Thank you so much for joining the show.
• 2:31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the opportunity, John.
• 2:31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate it.
• 2:31:16
  SPEAKER_24: So listen, let's talk a little bit about your why did you first enter into this race, and then we can talk about your decision to continue uh in this uh in this race past the primary as uh as an independent uh candidate.
• 2:31:30
  SPEAKER_24: But what's your background and why did you decide to join the auditors' race in the first place, Jay?
• 2:31:34
  SPEAKER_00: So uh a little bit about me.
• 2:31:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was born and raised on the east side of St.
• 2:31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Paul.
• 2:31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was a teamster for a short while, drove trucks, owned a small business after 9-11 when the economy crashed and the business kind of went down, lost everything.
• 2:31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I realized the dream of a as a as a child that I really wanted to join the military to serve and give back.
• 2:31:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I joined the military at 31 as a private, uh, married four kids, uh, raised, uh went through the ranks, uh retired as a major while I was in the military.
• 2:32:08
  SPEAKER_00: I uh received a couple of different degrees.
• 2:32:11
  SPEAKER_00: One of them was a uh health informatics degree from the University of Minnesota with a concentration in data analytics and data visualizations, and that's the degree that I'm gonna leverage when I become the next state auditor.
• 2:32:23
  SPEAKER_00: And what that is, is uh we're gonna take the data that is presented through the local governments, cities and counties and townships, and we're gonna present it in a way that's explainable to the citizens so that there's transparency and accountability throughout.
• 2:32:37
  SPEAKER_00: And we're tired, I think we're kind of tired of seeing that um somebody's gatekeeping that information from us.
• 2:32:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a little bit about uh my background and how I can uh implement that.
• 2:32:47
  SPEAKER_00: I did it in the military where I created data dashboards and other things, so I want to uh transition that to the uh state auditor's office.
• 2:32:56
  SPEAKER_00: How I got into this specifically was when um the current auditor, uh Auditor Blaha, decided not to join or not to not to run again.
• 2:33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I called her, reached out to her, and asked her if it would be uh interesting uh to have a data analyst, if she thought it would be good to have a data analyst in that role.
• 2:33:14
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, absolutely, we could use a data analyst in that role.
• 2:33:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I asked her if it should be an independent, and she said if she could run for a third term, or if she would, then she would run as an independent.
• 2:33:23
  SPEAKER_00: So she encouraged me to do that.
• 2:33:25
  SPEAKER_00: So this is why I'm I'm in the race with her encouragement and uh and others around me, and I've got a great, great network of family and friends supporting me along the way.
• 2:33:33
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, and I guess you kind of answered my next question than that is you know, we're post-the-primary, you're running as an independent candidate, and you've decided to to stay in this race.
• 2:33:41
  SPEAKER_24: What is it?
• 2:33:41
  SPEAKER_24: Is it this um the specific background and in the data analytics that you would differentiate yourself between the uh the the DFL and the Republican uh candidates, or is there more beyond that?
• 2:33:53
  SPEAKER_24: Again, talking with a Jay Reeves running as an independent candidate for state auditor.
• 2:33:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I love this question, John, because you Yes, the data analytics piece definitely separates me because neither one of the other two have it.
• 2:34:04
  SPEAKER_00: One of them has uh no experience in in data hardly at all, unless it's given to him by a data analyst.
• 2:34:11
  SPEAKER_00: So um, and the other one is an accountant.
• 2:34:14
  SPEAKER_00: So in this role specifically, um, my goal is to bring work with the new governor, whomever that might be.
• 2:34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And if you go look at their their plans for their fraud plans, none of them really mention uh a PhD to have a doctor to help them in their plan, or does it uh mention more accountants to uh do more accounting work?
• 2:34:39
  SPEAKER_00: It actually specifically says data analytics.
• 2:34:42
  SPEAKER_00: So we need to have somebody in that office that's gonna work with whomever it is gonna be in the executive suite at the state capitol and that can talk the talk and walk the walk.
• 2:34:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I have that experience.
• 2:34:53
  SPEAKER_24: Why is why is the data analytics aspect of it?
• 2:34:57
  SPEAKER_24: We'll just zero in on that and feel free to expand upon that, Jay.
• 2:35:00
  SPEAKER_24: But um, how does this relate to what we've been dealing with with fraud here in Minnesota?
• 2:35:05
  SPEAKER_24: What could you end up doing with that expertise to get at the problem of fraud?
• 2:35:11
  SPEAKER_24: Is there something that's been missed in the conversation surrounding fraud that speaks specifically to the expertise that you want to deploy if you were elected a state auditor?
• 2:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 2:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll give you a couple of examples, real life examples.
• 2:35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Here's what's going on right now in our state.
• 2:35:26
  SPEAKER_00: So the more most recent county um data that was sent out.
• 2:35:32
  SPEAKER_00: So they enter the data into what's called safes.
• 2:35:34
  SPEAKER_00: And in that program, they just enter their data in and then it sends off to the state auditor's office, right?
• 2:35:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's no real review or digging into the numbers to see how uh what those numbers actually mean and what my plan was and what I've presented to the state auditor's office, which I don't know that they've done anything to it, is that it would catch any errors or data entries or possible fraudulent activities given previous trends.
• 2:36:01
  SPEAKER_00: So my goal is to bring in a new system that would identify it on the data entry side.
• 2:36:05
  SPEAKER_00: For example, there's a county here in Minnesota, and I have it up on my screen here, that specifically says in their expenditure piece, their current expenditure piece that they reported from 2024 to 2025, their expenditures on interest and fiscal charges went from$84,000 in 2024 to$1.7 million in 2025.
• 2:36:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's on interest and fiscal charges.
• 2:36:34
  SPEAKER_00: To me, that's a data entry error, it could be a data entry error, but that's a potential touchy point, right?
• 2:36:39
  SPEAKER_00: We can catch that on the entry, on the entry side, do the investigation before it's published, and that's where data analytics comes in.
• 2:36:46
  SPEAKER_00: And we can we can visualize that very quickly in maps and everything else using the current software that they currently have.
• 2:36:52
  SPEAKER_00: We're just they're just not doing it.
• 2:36:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why.
• 2:36:55
  SPEAKER_24: How can we be more proactive in dealing with this issue of fraud in in your mind?
• 2:37:01
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, obviously, there's the you know, identifying it and actually moving forward and doing something about it when you see it.
• 2:37:06
  SPEAKER_24: It's probably the aspect of it, Jay, not to filibuster here, but it's the aspect of it that drives me nuts is that when you look at the data year over year and you see the funding requests increasing the way that they were, and the fact that either red flags were ignored or weren't even raised at all, I mean, that was distressing in and of itself.
• 2:37:23
  SPEAKER_24: So, in terms of being more proactive, is there more beyond beyond that?
• 2:37:28
  SPEAKER_24: Or do you think that alone would be uh enough to begin to tackle the issue of the rampant fraud that we've had to face here as taxpayers?
• 2:37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, to be honest, that's the foundation, right?
• 2:37:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that that's the foundation of the house that we're we're trying to build.
• 2:37:41
  SPEAKER_00: It can't just be that.
• 2:37:42
  SPEAKER_00: But what that does is that sets the standard for future data entry and data and data analytics for the state.
• 2:37:48
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't have it on the data entry side, you're catching it already too late.
• 2:37:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh that's where it has to begin.
• 2:37:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then the continuous operation.
• 2:37:57
  SPEAKER_00: So my goal too, and what I've done in the past, and I've got extensive leadership in this from the Defense Health Agency.
• 2:38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've done this, these are worldwide enterprise level organizations that I've done this for.
• 2:38:10
  SPEAKER_00: That means the entire world.
• 2:38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, 9.5 beneficiaries that this affected that I've done this for.
• 2:38:15
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a much smaller uh endeavor.
• 2:38:19
  SPEAKER_00: But what we can do is it has to be a continuous uh operation, and we have to look at it as a real-time analytic.
• 2:38:27
  SPEAKER_00: So when the data is entered, we got to look at the history.
• 2:38:30
  SPEAKER_00: If something flags or it's outside the deviation, it flags it for investigation, and then we send that off to our investigative teams to dig in.
• 2:38:38
  SPEAKER_00: If there's any nefarious activities, we send it to the proper authorities that it needs to go to.
• 2:38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's always this continuous monitoring operation that needs to occur.
• 2:38:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it can't happen on the accounting side.
• 2:38:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's too late.
• 2:38:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's far beyond too late.
• 2:38:53
  SPEAKER_00: We're getting these reports at the end of the year, they're being done by civilian organizations that are looking at it.
• 2:38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're they're following the laws and they're doing what the accountants are supposed to be doing.
• 2:39:02
  SPEAKER_00: However, that's 12 months, 18 months, two years too late.
• 2:39:07
  SPEAKER_00: And again, here's another thing that our local governments are doing.
• 2:39:10
  SPEAKER_00: They're relying on funds that were giving to us from the low from the federal government to do their budgeting, and they're continuing to budget on the on the information or on the obligated funds from years past.
• 2:39:21
  SPEAKER_00: When those funds you shouldn't be doing that, you should be doing it on what's expected within your local governments, and you shouldn't be then burdening your tax pay tax base on a continuous year-over-year basis based on numbers from five years ago because we got a flood of COVID money.
• 2:39:40
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't make any sense.
• 2:39:41
  SPEAKER_00: We can't continue that, it's not sustainable.
• 2:39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Then you put the pressure on our everyday taxpayers, and we're seeing that every day.
• 2:39:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's ridiculous.
• 2:39:48
  SPEAKER_00: We need to dig in and take care of our taxpayers and stop taxing us and fees and all this other stuff until we get the fraud fixed.
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Once we get the fraud stopped or we have the baseline set, what that'll do is that'll organically make those folks move along and find a different target.
• 2:40:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's where we can reinvest that money into stronger, more data analytic uh activities and making sure that we dig in even a little bit harder to protect our taxpayer dollars.
• 2:40:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it's all about.
• 2:40:17
  SPEAKER_24: Talking with uh Jay Reeves, his website is Jay Reeves4NM uh 4MN, and that's F-O-R, by the way, uh.com.
• 2:40:24
  SPEAKER_24: Uh was it the fraud that um made you decide to run for this office if it hadn't been for the rampant fraud?
• 2:40:34
  SPEAKER_24: Is there a was there another motivating factor in you seeking this office?
• 2:40:37
  SPEAKER_24: And let me mention as well, because I didn't before when giving your background, thank you so much for your for your service.
• 2:40:42
  SPEAKER_24: And I want to get a little bit more into that as well.
• 2:40:44
  SPEAKER_24: But I'm curious what initially um kind of got you thinking that you wanted to run for this office?
• 2:40:49
  SPEAKER_24: Was it the fraud or was it something else?
• 2:40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um the fraud was a big part of it.
• 2:40:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um, this is a personal story of mine.
• 2:40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um I had a family member that was in New Way, and that's a treatment facility in Minneapolis.
• 2:41:03
  SPEAKER_00: And in 2024, maybe 2024, I believe it was.
• 2:41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was 2025.
• 2:41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, they were there as uh one of the people in their treatment program.
• 2:41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they were found to be overbilling and fraudulent, and then they were all those folks that were there were kicked to the street, and it affected one of my family members.
• 2:41:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, We what is going on here?
• 2:41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why wasn't this caught years ago?
• 2:41:30
  SPEAKER_00: How did this get to be to this point?
• 2:41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Why is it there or why are they able to overbuild?
• 2:41:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so that kind of kick-started my want to be in this.
• 2:41:40
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, I'm a taxpayer in Minnesota, I have been my entire life, and so it affects me on a daily basis.
• 2:41:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm tired, I'm sick and tired, and everybody else should be sick and tired.
• 2:41:48
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're not, I'd be completely shocked.
• 2:41:51
  SPEAKER_00: We should all be sick and tired of how we're being taken advantage of by people that are just fraudulently using our assistance against us, and they're leveraging our compassion instead of us digging in on the compliance piece.
• 2:42:04
  SPEAKER_00: We just got to get away from that.
• 2:42:06
  SPEAKER_24: You certainly seem to have the uh the background and uh and also the uh the the expertise based off of your off your resume uh to have run uh in the in the primary for you know either the DFL or the or the GOP.
• 2:42:22
  SPEAKER_24: Um why cho why choose to run as a as an independent as opposed to try to actually go and get the the nomination?
• 2:42:28
  SPEAKER_24: Um I'm uh Jay?
• 2:42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I like to do things the hard way.
• 2:42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh just uh no, I I've always been an independent and I wasn't going to compromise my morals or my my ethics or my integrity to go aligned with a specific ideology that I don't 100% agree with.
• 2:42:45
  SPEAKER_00: As an independent, I can choose which way my path goes for my my campaign.
• 2:42:51
  SPEAKER_00: The even the forward independence party that has endorsed me or the national forward party that has endorsed me.
• 2:42:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is my campaign.
• 2:42:57
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have any direct impact on how I view it and how I run my campaign.
• 2:43:01
  SPEAKER_00: My views are mine.
• 2:43:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's not based on uh some ideology.
• 2:43:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that that's how our initial forefathers imagined that our politicians or our representatives would be, that they would be able to have that flexibility versus having these siloed approaches when it comes to doing and representing uh Minnesotans.
• 2:43:21
  SPEAKER_24: We um, you know, we we talked a little bit about this uh previously, but I kind of want to bring it up again.
• 2:43:28
  SPEAKER_24: Um we know you have your your background in data analytics that's missing from the other candidates, but how do you differentiate yourself from the DFL and the GOP uh uh candidates?
• 2:43:39
  SPEAKER_24: You know, what what is it that beyond what we mentioned before is sort of lacking in their campaigns that you feel like you are more suited and qualified for over both of the of the of the party candidates?
• 2:43:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 2:43:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here's one thing.
• 2:43:53
  SPEAKER_00: I have the senior executive level uh in healthcare that these folks don't have.
• 2:43:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, there's a there's a doctor in the race.
• 2:44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's he's a family practice doc and he's been a part of some boards, but I was uh I've got some senior executive level stuff where I've led teams, I've led uh companies, I've led divisions.
• 2:44:13
  SPEAKER_00: I've been in at the senior levels of the defense health agency working directly with the generals all the way through the Pentagon and then also working with the White House staff during COVID.
• 2:44:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got the experience in working that.
• 2:44:25
  SPEAKER_00: I've also done the informatics piece, which is going to be required as we go forward in moving this office into the 21st century.
• 2:44:32
  SPEAKER_00: What we don't have right now, or the other two candidates don't have the experience of bringing in IT systems, and especially on an enterprise-wide basis that I've had.
• 2:44:41
  SPEAKER_00: I had the the experience, the pleasure and sometimes displeasure of being at the Defense Health Agency when we had some of the largest IT system um implementations ever in the Department of Defense at the time, with the new implementation of the health record, which had to go worldwide, and also with the COVID-19 pandemic that we had, that we had to implement some programs and IT systems in the back end in order to protect our service members across the globe in a very, very short period of time, which we did within two weeks with zero budget.
• 2:45:16
  SPEAKER_00: So those are the things that I can bring that they don't have the experience in doing, that they won't be able to do, that they're gonna have to rely on other people to do.
• 2:45:24
  SPEAKER_00: And we shouldn't be in a leadership role if we haven't walked the walk and talked the talk.
• 2:45:28
  SPEAKER_00: And that's me.
• 2:45:29
  SPEAKER_24: Independent candidate for state auditor Jay Reeves.
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_24: Jay Reeves for Mn.com is his uh website.
• 2:45:36
  SPEAKER_24: Uh anything else you would like to add, Jay, before um before I cut you loose this morning.
• 2:45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you mentioned um before about not being in the primary.
• 2:45:44
  SPEAKER_00: So here's how it works in Minnesota independence.
• 2:45:46
  SPEAKER_00: We have to gain, we have to get gather 2,000 signatures in a two-week window in order for us to do that.
• 2:45:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I said uh I guess I I chose the hard path, right?
• 2:45:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, and which was more important to me.
• 2:45:57
  SPEAKER_00: So that two-week window was May 19th through June 2nd, which was also over Memorial Day weekend.
• 2:46:03
  SPEAKER_00: We had to gather over 2,000 signatures in order to get my name on the ballot.
• 2:46:06
  SPEAKER_00: So uh we got 2,660 signatures throughout the state of Minnesota in order for me to do that.
• 2:46:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's a true grassroots effort.
• 2:46:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's a movement in Minnesota where independents have this opportunity, and there's no there's no better opportunity than right now with this specific office.
• 2:46:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's never been an uh an independent as the state auditor.
• 2:46:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's always been a partisan role, which I don't believe that it ever should be.
• 2:46:30
  SPEAKER_00: It should be independent in mindset, not only in mindset, but also in uh party affiliation.
• 2:46:36
  SPEAKER_00: So if we want to do make good changes here in the state of Minnesota, this is our opportunity.
• 2:46:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was the first one on the ballot.
• 2:46:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was on there before Jensen, I was on there before Zach.
• 2:46:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was the first one.
• 2:46:48
  SPEAKER_00: So please don't forget that.
• 2:46:49
  SPEAKER_00: When you're out there and the media is out there publicizing all this mess, don't forget that I was the first one on there and I worked hard.
• 2:46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Our team worked hard for us to get there, and I'm not stopping.
• 2:46:59
  SPEAKER_00: There's no reason for me to stop now.
• 2:47:00
  SPEAKER_00: And here's the other thing that happens in Minnesota.
• 2:47:03
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the Republicans and Democrats say that I'm gonna be stealing votes from them.
• 2:47:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell you right now, you guys have been stealing our votes for years.
• 2:47:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, I'm taking them back, rightfully so.
• 2:47:15
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, get a better message and a better candidate.
• 2:47:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's my goal right now is to be have the best message, the best platform, the best approach for all Minnesotans as an independent to come into that office day one, hit the ground running, and protect Minnesotan taxpayers.
• 2:47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone, all of you.
• 2:47:33
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter if you're red or blue.
• 2:47:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Team Minnesota.
• 2:47:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm about.
• 2:47:37
  SPEAKER_24: Well, Jay Reeves, thank you so much for the time this morning.
• 2:47:40
  SPEAKER_24: I really enjoyed the conversation.
• 2:47:41
  SPEAKER_24: I would encourage everybody to check out more uh about your uh campaign uh for state auditor, Jay Reeves for Mn.com.
• 2:47:47
  SPEAKER_24: And it was great talking with you the uh this morning.
• 2:47:49
  SPEAKER_24: I appreciate it.
• 2:47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, John.
• 2:47:51
  SPEAKER_00: Really appreciate it.
• 2:47:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, everyone.
• 2:47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great day.
• 2:47:54
  SPEAKER_24: So as we get ready to uh head into the final segment here on the on the show, we'll keep it on fraud, and we're talking about in just a moment.
• 2:48:02
  SPEAKER_24: I want to get you up to speed on this uh story uh that broke over the course of the past few days.
• 2:48:07
  SPEAKER_24: We've heard about this Go student program, but uh KSTP, I'm gonna give credit where credit's due, has been doing a really, a really fine job of investigative reporting into these issues and um a better job than a lot of the other local media uh outlets.
• 2:48:23
  SPEAKER_24: And again, these are stories that we found before.
• 2:48:25
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, we've covered them here at Center of the American Experiment.
• 2:48:28
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, you know, our policy fellow Bill Glon has been on top of this.
• 2:48:31
  SPEAKER_24: Alpha News has been on top of it.
• 2:48:32
  SPEAKER_24: But again, I'll give credit where credit is due with this investigative report over the Ghost student problem at Minnesota Colleges.
• 2:48:38
  SPEAKER_24: I'll get you up to speed on uh this here in uh just a moment.
• 2:48:42
  SPEAKER_24: I do want to go back to the blaster line, though.
• 2:48:44
  SPEAKER_24: We had a comment that rolled in regarding the homeless uh encampments that we were covering earlier and the fraud that they found in Los Angeles.
• 2:48:52
  SPEAKER_09: I'll just talk about the homeless encampment and the problems they're causing.
• 2:48:56
  SPEAKER_09: I remember seeing a story on Fox 9 about these volunteers who would go to the pigfight park and they would bring ice cream and pizza and have little fun parties and games and never really trying to help these people out of homework.
• 2:49:16
  SPEAKER_09: They just, you know, let's just make them comfortable and give them free stuff.
• 2:49:21
  SPEAKER_09: And all I can think of is how much are those people getting paid to do that, you know, quote unquote volunteer work.
• 2:49:29
  SPEAKER_09: Um it it kind of seems like it's the same thing going on in LA where you have people just driving around giving homeless people, you know, drug kits, needles, and crack pipes and all that stuff.
• 2:49:43
  SPEAKER_09: Just keep them happy enough so they're not as big of a problem to some people.
• 2:49:50
  SPEAKER_24: The enabling aspect of it is just as bad as the lack of law enforcement.
• 2:49:57
  SPEAKER_24: It is not compassion to not hold people accountable.
• 2:50:02
  SPEAKER_24: It's not compassion to go and help individuals continue their drug abuse.
• 2:50:08
  SPEAKER_24: It's not compassion to allow individuals to sleep in wooded areas among society.
• 2:50:16
  SPEAKER_24: It's not compassion to allow individuals to continue to sleep on the streets, enabling their behavior.
• 2:50:24
  SPEAKER_24: Which does raise the question of, well, why does the leadership continue to go and allow this to happen?
• 2:50:31
  SPEAKER_24: It's not exactly, it doesn't exactly fall into the line of what we talk about so often on the show regarding uh political expediency and using it in terms of politics.
• 2:50:40
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, there's a certain level of this because the activists within the community begin to go and push back against the very people that they support the moment that law enforcement is told to go and deal with the problem of a homeless encampment.
• 2:50:53
  SPEAKER_24: We played audio of the show with the cowardly individuals covering their faces with their hoods and their masks and all this, talking about how property value and owning property is evil, just straight up Marxist communist mentality.
• 2:51:07
  SPEAKER_24: But it's not like the individuals in these homeless encampments are really doing a significant part in getting people elected, even though we know that this is a part of the potential voter fraud, even though in a lot of ways it's legal when you have Democrats out there paying homeless people to go and vote in elections.
• 2:51:26
  SPEAKER_24: So there's that facet of it as well.
• 2:51:27
  SPEAKER_24: But that's why I found that piece from Fox News so interesting and that they found fraud within the state-run homeless advocacy programs.
• 2:51:36
  SPEAKER_24: Well, not just fraud, but the fact that they were just spending the money in ways that they shouldn't spend it.
• 2:51:40
  SPEAKER_24: It wasn't for homeless advocacy, it was for their own edification.
• 2:51:45
  SPEAKER_24: All right, speaking of fraud, Channel 5 has this.
• 2:51:48
  SPEAKER_24: The threat of ghost students has become so prevalent at Minnesota's largest community college that administrators now say nearly a third of all applications to the school are potentially fraudulent.
• 2:52:00
  SPEAKER_24: That revelation came from uh Dara Hagan, the vice president of student affairs at Normandale Community College in Bloomington.
• 2:52:08
  SPEAKER_24: The enrollment fraud using identities of real people with the goal of stealing taxpayer-funded student aid has become a nationwide problem over the last few years.
• 2:52:19
  SPEAKER_24: Uh Becca Thompson, friend of the show who we had on a couple of weeks ago, will certainly invite back on very soon.
• 2:52:25
  SPEAKER_24: She had posted this clip.
• 2:52:26
  SPEAKER_24: It's the news coverage from Channel 5.
• 2:52:28
  SPEAKER_24: I'm going to share it with you here in just a moment.
• 2:52:30
  SPEAKER_24: But they write, this is part of the paper children fraud.
• 2:52:34
  SPEAKER_24: If you can get a made-up applicant accepted to a college, then you can get all sorts of loans and grants.
• 2:52:41
  SPEAKER_24: Schools are inundated because every school is deeply challenged financially, like everything else.
• 2:52:46
  SPEAKER_24: This is a carbon copy.
• 2:52:48
  SPEAKER_24: And you can raise the question of what came first, this type of fraud or the fraud that we're seeing in the Medicaid services programs.
• 2:52:54
  SPEAKER_24: But it's the same MO as the fraudsters who have been billing the state for Medicaid services that they never went and provided.
• 2:53:03
  SPEAKER_24: Here we have the same thing happening regarding Ghost students and these colleges receiving funding for students that simply don't exist.
• 2:53:10
  SPEAKER_24: Here's the coverage, a bit of the coverage from uh KSTP from Channel 5.
• 2:53:16
  SPEAKER_03: This is the website for Normandale Community College, but change three little letters, and it takes you to an alternate universe and a fake state college system.
• 2:53:27
  SPEAKER_03: This could happen to anyone.
• 2:53:29
  SPEAKER_03: Created entirely by Jacob Rosenbacher.
• 2:53:32
  SPEAKER_04: This is a warning to the public, right?
• 2:53:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like we've you have to be careful.
• 2:53:36
  SPEAKER_03: The 32-year-old is a real person, but the Jacob Rosenbacher who enrolled at Normandale is not.
• 2:53:54
  SPEAKER_04: Long story short, I saw a loan was uh new from the Department of Education.
• 2:54:00
  SPEAKER_04: I learned where it began at Normandale Community College.
• 2:54:03
  SPEAKER_03: But when this tech security expert from Chicago struggled to get a response from the school, I own Normandale.net.
• 2:54:10
  SPEAKER_04: I own Normandale Community College.com.
• 2:54:13
  SPEAKER_03: He bought up website names similar to the real Normandale.edu and used this fake site to tell his story.
• 2:54:21
  SPEAKER_04: I was looking for a faster response.
• 2:54:23
  SPEAKER_04: I was looking for them to take it seriously.
• 2:54:25
  SPEAKER_04: Have you seen the website?
• 2:54:26
  SPEAKER_02: I I have seen the website.
• 2:54:28
  SPEAKER_03: Do you take issue with anything he's putting out there?
• 2:54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that um certainly uh folks are gonna tell a story through their perspective and their experience, and we're gonna do the same, right?
• 2:54:40
  SPEAKER_03: When we sat down with Normandale's VP of Student Affairs to ask about Rosenbacher's case, she shared some stunning information about the extent of the Ghost Student problem at this one community college.
• 2:54:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think it first hit us in 2023.
• 2:54:56
  SPEAKER_03: Information not made public until now.
• 2:54:58
  SPEAKER_02: We've had about 29,000 fraudulent, uh potentially fraudulent applications that we've processed.
• 2:55:05
  SPEAKER_02: We were seeing probably 42 percent of our applications or so uh being uh fraudulent, and now we're down to about 31 percent.
• 2:55:13
  SPEAKER_03: That seems huge.
• 2:55:16
  SPEAKER_03: Am I misinterpreting that?
• 2:55:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I no, you're not.
• 2:55:19
  SPEAKER_03: Nearly a third of all applications to this school potentially filled out and sent in by fraudsters.
• 2:55:26
  SPEAKER_03: Administrators insist many are flagged and thrown out before Ghost students can steal taxpayer money.
• 2:55:32
  SPEAKER_03: But they can't be sure of how many others got through until real victims come forward.
• 2:55:37
  SPEAKER_04: And what Normandale, in my view, didn't do is they didn't check my identity against anything.
• 2:55:42
  SPEAKER_03: Rosenbacher says the dead giveaway for his ghost should have been this warning notification sent at the end of the semester.
• 2:55:50
  SPEAKER_03: Despite a GPA of zero point zero, Normandale wrote, We believe you can do this, and we are here to help you succeed.
• 2:55:58
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, should something like this be?
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_03: A red flag?
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_02: We do have students that end up stopping out that are real students.
• 2:56:04
  SPEAKER_02: With us, and then coming back and then well, they'll withdraw or they'll not perform.
• 2:56:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then um and so at some point there will be outrage, right?
• 2:56:13
  SPEAKER_03: Rosenbacher says someone still got a$9,000 loan in his name.
• 2:56:18
  SPEAKER_03: So your first time to Normandale?
• 2:56:20
  SPEAKER_03: It is my first time in Normandale.
• 2:56:22
  SPEAKER_03: Now he says he hopes his fictional website will be a cybersecurity reality check for the school before more damage is done.
• 2:56:30
  SPEAKER_04: Think about the most simple attack.
• 2:56:32
  SPEAKER_04: What if I emailed you from Normandale.net and I said, hey, it's your teacher.
• 2:56:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's really scary.
• 2:56:40
  SPEAKER_04: Part of the reason I bought the domain is please don't let anyone else do that.
• 2:56:45
  SPEAKER_04: I like if someone wants to reach out to me from Normandale, I will happily give them the domain.
• 2:56:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like I want nothing to do with this.
• 2:56:52
  SPEAKER_03: No word yet about what's going to happen with Rosenbacher's website, but we do know more help is on the way.
• 2:56:58
  SPEAKER_03: I sat down again recently with the Minn State Chief of Information Security to learn more about what's being done with new funding from the state to fight enrollment fraud.
• 2:57:08
  SPEAKER_03: And Lindsay, that's just part of what we're putting together for another report coming up tomorrow.
• 2:57:12
  SPEAKER_17: Those numbers are staggering.
• 2:57:14
  SPEAKER_17: Is is anything being done to get taxpayer money back once it's been stolen?
• 2:57:18
  SPEAKER_03: There are things being done.
• 2:57:19
  SPEAKER_03: They tell me it's complicated.
• 2:57:21
  SPEAKER_03: If it's federal aid, min-state schools could be on the hook to pay that money back to Washington.
• 2:57:26
  SPEAKER_03: But out of those thousands of suspicious applications flagged at Normandale, the college tells me only about 40 people have filed formal appeals to say that they were victims of identity theft.
• 2:57:39
  SPEAKER_24: The education system in this country is so incredibly broken.
• 2:57:44
  SPEAKER_24: You have Ghost students here going to colleges, receiving funding.
• 2:57:47
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, that money's not coming back.
• 2:57:50
  SPEAKER_24: Any more than our nine billion in fraud that's been stolen from us is coming back.
• 2:57:55
  SPEAKER_24: And then the students that are actually in the schools are being indoctrinated to a level that, you know, former iterations of the John Justice show, going back a decade or so, would have been stunned by.
• 2:58:10
  SPEAKER_24: I've said it time and time again.
• 2:58:12
  SPEAKER_24: Like the remaining students that you actually have in school or in colleges, I mean at the same time, what kind of education are they receiving?
• 2:58:20
  SPEAKER_24: We used to debate whether or not something was or was not indoctrination within our schools beyond the fraud.
• 2:58:28
  SPEAKER_24: Right?
• 2:58:29
  SPEAKER_24: Now, if you push back on the indoctrination, you are all of the horrible labels that the left wants to put upon you.
• 2:58:36
  SPEAKER_24: We used to have a common understanding that indoctrination was bad, and the debate was whether or not one thing or another was indoctrination or not.
• 2:58:45
  SPEAKER_24: We've been we've blown past that.
• 2:58:46
  SPEAKER_24: Elon Musk was on with uh Bill Maher recently and said something very similar to this effect in terms of education.
• 2:58:57
  SPEAKER_12: And I I only I sort of came to realize this somewhere somewhat somewhat late.
• 2:59:01
  SPEAKER_12: Um the the the experience that we had uh in in high school and college is not the experience that that kids today are having.
• 2:59:08
  SPEAKER_12: Uh I I suppose in some cases that parents but but I think like the parents are just generally not aware of what their their kids are being taught uh or or what they're not being taught.
• 2:59:17
  SPEAKER_12: Um They're letting the kids think that they're equal.
• 2:59:21
  SPEAKER_12: I mean yeah, let me let me let me give you let me give you an example that that a friend of mine told me, which uh you know his uh daughters uh go to college in in or sorry go to high school in in the Bay Area.
• 2:59:30
  SPEAKER_12: Um and um and he he was asking them, like, well, so who are the you know, who are the first few presidents of the United States?
• 2:59:37
  SPEAKER_12: Uh they could name Washington, uh, but and I said, well, what do you know about him?
• 2:59:41
  SPEAKER_12: Well he was a slave owner.
• 2:59:42
  SPEAKER_12: What else?
• 2:59:42
  SPEAKER_12: Right.
• 2:59:44
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, Elon Musk there on uh on Bill Maher.
• 2:59:47
  SPEAKER_24: So either the students don't exist or the ones that do are being indoctrinated, all for political expediency so that it can be taken advantage of uh by the uh by the left.
• 2:59:58
  SPEAKER_24: So we'll have more on this uh tomorrow on the show.
• 3:00:02
  SPEAKER_24: Also, tomorrow on the show, Senator Amy Klobuchar voted for those health care tax credits to expire in 2025, and now she continues to blame the Trump administration for the health care tax credits expiring in 2025.
• 3:00:14
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, she continues to bank on the media carrying the water and not calling this stuff out.
• 3:00:20
  SPEAKER_24: In the meantime, the Damoth and Wilson campaign have released a new uh plan yesterday.
• 3:00:25
  SPEAKER_24: We'll give you details on their accountability plan tomorrow on the show.
• 3:00:29
  SPEAKER_24: Also, with the state fair getting underway, ahead of the state fair, Ramsey County Sheriff had gone and issued right, this is share, this is Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher.
• 3:00:42
  SPEAKER_24: He had sent out some 220, 233 letters warning people that of their association with known gang members at the Minnesota State Fair and that it will be documented for potential prosecution.
• 3:00:56
  SPEAKER_24: The action followed the agreements of the seven of ten alleged gang members to stay away from the fair.
• 3:01:01
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, this has subsequently caused controversy.
• 3:01:04
  SPEAKER_24: The Somali community is actually condemning this outreach campaign by the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office.
• 3:01:10
  SPEAKER_24: He's doing the right thing and letting people know, and we'll bring you details on this tomorrow on the show.
• 3:01:16
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• 3:02:15
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• 3:02:19
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• 3:02:26
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• 3:02:31
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