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Football at Four: Explaining Eagles Jalen Carter Situation and More · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 2: It's Jeff Moscher in the house today and.
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  Speaker 1: We got plenty of Eagles to talk about as we
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  turn the page from Dallas week to a Super Bowl rematch.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Moscher, what's going on, Bud? I'm good. I'm always
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  good talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we always have good spirited football conversation here.
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  And this Eagles team coming off the Cowboy win. It
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  was Thursday night, so we hadn't didn't get to see them,
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  but now we're starting to get into that mode for
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  this Chiefs weekend. Let's get your thoughts number one on
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  some of the things that has happened with this Jalen
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  car are you at peace? Are you okay with with
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  how this is being handled by the team. Do you
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  think this will linger? Do you think it's over?
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  Speaker 3: You know? I mean, I think Nick Sirianni is trying
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  to do the right thing and keeping it in house.
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  But also I don't see I don't see why he
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  has to be so protective and coddling and not be
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  able to talk about it in a constructive manner. I
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  don't I don't think answering some of the questions the
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  way they were asking him yesterday or today would be
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  throwing Jalen Carter under the bus. And I you know,
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  it's such a just such a little bit of a
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  bad precedent that he says he doesn't talk about it
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  in house stuff, but he actually does plenty of times.
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  He even talks. He'll tell you glowingly when he thinks
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  a player has matured, or when he thinks the player
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  has done something well, even if you don't ask, he
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  will give you behind the scenes on that. But he's
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  saying he'll never talk behind the scenes. Well, no, what
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  you're saying is he'll never talk about something behind the
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  scenes when it's a negative. And you'll talk openly about
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  accountability and how your team is built on that. But
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  then you won't talk about it when someone's asking about
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  a lapse in it. So I don't really love the
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  way he's handled it. I listen, I'm not sitting here
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  saying this is gonna, you know, shipwreck the entire season,
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  or this is a major faux pas. On Nick Sirianni's point,
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  I think I'm just trying to give you the most
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  objective look at how I think this is going on
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  as possible as far as the league is concerned. Someone
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  asked me, I did a regular the other day, and
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  someone asked me what I would do if I was commissioner,
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  and I said that, I know you're trying to make
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  a strong statement about not having this, you know, in sportsmanship,
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  spinning on someone being representable. But he was ejected for
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  the game, and I said, I feel like that sounds
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  like a punishment that put the crime and anything after
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  that should probably just be a fine and I don't
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  ever do it again kind of reaction or do you know,
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  empty fine and you're we're now watching you type of thing.
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  And it sounds like that that's basically what happened, and
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  I'm fine with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, Ultimately, I think this was one
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  universal thing where I think all Eagles fans were like, look,
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  this was in like reheensible here, it was awful. A
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  lot of people use a lot of harsh words to
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  describe the young man.
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  Speaker 2: Then the dack thing.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of entered a letter layer of it, but ultimately
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  it was just weird that the NFL basically came out
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  and said, well, he did miss the games, so we're
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  gonna use that as a suspension, and you're gonna pay
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  the fine fifty and twenty two dollars. Now, the Eagles
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  can do whatever they want. They could find them, you know,
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  whatever amount of money they want. I guess, but we'll
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  see hopefully. Listen, the big thing here is you hope
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  this kid learns his lesson and that this is the
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  last time we're talking about Jalen Carter and some sort
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  of thing that hurts his team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that that is the big takeaway. I'm
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  not convinced that it will be. You know, it's not
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  that I don't think anybody can change or zebras don't
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  don't shed their stripes or anything like that. Nick Sirianni
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  is a good example of a guy who, you know,
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  at this time last year was still a little bit
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  combative on the on the sideline, and you know, you
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  could say he changed and his sideline to meteor last
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  year really improved. But I could also say, yeah, because
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  they were winning basically every game they played. What happens
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  when you go through some adversity, right, So you're not
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  going to win eighty percent of the games you play
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  every year, even as good as the Eagles have been lately.
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  So I just I would hope that it's over and
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  we don't see this much, but time will tell. Mike.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, let's move on to to the defense. Now,
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  you've got a couple questions. I want to get your
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  take on Zadarius Smith is in. Obviously on Monday or
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  Tuesday yesterday, Vic Fangio. You know, he didn't really talk
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  about how they're gonna use him or what he even
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  knows about him. He said, not too much. But do
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  we think that Zadarius Smith turns out to be a
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  big factor in the Eagles defense or is just just hey,
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  he was available, Let's see what he's got left in
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  the tank.
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  Speaker 3: He better? I mean, they didn't go out and get
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  him for no reason or just to provide another body,
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  not with the contract and then he signed you know,
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  Vic Fangio, as we've seen it, really would like to
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  play a three man d rotation and that's about it.
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  He is not like Jim Schwartz. We have come to
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  discover that he's not trying to play eight or nine
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  or ten different linemen in a single game, which is
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  funny because when Jim would do that, we would all
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  talk about the benefits and the merits of fresh legs.
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  And now that Vic doesn't do it and he has
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  his own way of success. Bro we also, hey, when
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  you have great players who put him on the field.
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  It's funny how that worked. But obviously with Jelex and
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  Nolan Smith, they took the majority of the snaps against
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  the Cowboys. They got ouch in there a little bit,
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  and Patrick Johnson was really just up for special teams,
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  although he did get in on the field a little bit.
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  So I imagine that when Zadarius Smith is ready and learns
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  the defense and is ready to be a contributor, and
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  I don't know that that's going to be. It might
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  take a little bit of time, but I will be
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  in that three man edg rotation. And he does have
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  a branding brand like versatility about him where he can
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  move inside. It's actually bigger than Brandon Graham, so he
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  can move inside the Fangio acknowledge that yesterday and rush
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  inside from the nickel. So they're gonna use him. They
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  signed him for a reason. I think big big question
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  is I'm trying to kind of digest it myself over
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  the last twenty four forty eight hours, Mike, is that
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  it just has this team kind of making all these
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  move trade for running back, trade for or signs Darius Smith.
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  You know they won the game, you know, trade and
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  trading for Bennett right in the middle of it just
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  seemed like as soon as they felt like they had
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  a deficiency, it was like, boom, boom, boom, let's get
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  let's get people in, let's get people out. You're seeing
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  roster tangle. I mean, one minute Canyon Breeds on the
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  fifty three that he's on the practice slod, that he's
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  waved and he's back on the practice squad. Then he's
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  on the There's a lot of roster maneuvering going on
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  right now. And I feel like some of the bigger
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  concerns were just in how like, you know, the injuries
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  at tight end and losing ben fans zoomering and things
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  like that, And you know, I would have liked to
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  have seen a couple of weeks of the edge rush
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  to see what it was before it was like, let's
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  just get.
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  Speaker 2: This ball here.
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  Speaker 1: In retrospect, I don't know if you know he had
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  a chance to really comb through it, or watch the
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  All twenty two or you know, I know, obviously Greg
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  Cosell and you guys do a great job of all this.
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  But in retrospect, was the pass rush a problem? I mean,
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  there's no Jalen Carter, but you know I saw some
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  pass rush win rate stuff that had josh Usha at
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  the top of the list, and Nolan Smith is one
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  of the top ten in football this past weekend. So
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  was the pass rush an issue on Thursday night?
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, it showed up. I mean it
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  showed up certainly. And on the last drive of a game.
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  You know, Dak had a hurry a couple of passes,
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  obviously when one got dropped by by sebe Lamp, but
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  there were still a couple of pressures in there that
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  I thought worked well. I mean, the Cowboys scored zero
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  points in the second half of about Mike Corrector that they.
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  Speaker 2: Did not score a touchdown, correct, Yes, right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I wasn't being sarcastic.
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  Speaker 2: I just really no.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: They scored the first what three three possessions and in
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  the first half and nothing in the second half.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So so I think that you can't do that
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  unless you do get a decent pass Russ go to
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  a pass rush. Okay, I thought played well. I didn't
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  see as much from Nolan Smith, but I'm sure he
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  had a couple. He did have a like a nice
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  inside stunt where he beat the guard or the center
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  actually and got a rush in there. So again, like
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  I didn't think it was so dismal and lacking in
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  bodies that they had immediately go out and get Darius Smith.
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  But you know, I'm not Halley, and listen, I'm not
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  I'm not questioning him. I'm just saying that it seems
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  it seems like over the last few weeks a lot
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  of bodies just in and out and in and out
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  and in and out, and I wonder are they are
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  they just so concerned the state of their organization and
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  the state of developing young talent. I mean, look look
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  at Chilics Hunt and Nolan Smith last year at the
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  beginning of the year, they weren't making an impact. By
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  the end of the year they were. So is there
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  not that kind of faith that to Corean Bennett will
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  eventually be good or you know, any of them, the
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  young pass rushers that are we're already on the team.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, pass run rush win rate according to
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  Pro Football Focus, josh Ousha was number one forty three
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  point eight and Nolan Smith was thirty two percent, which
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  was one two, three, four, five six seven, eighth in
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  the NFL on Sunday. So according to that stat if
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  you like it as we're two of the top ten
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  pass rushers in the league on Sunday. But yet, you know,
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  the Eagles go out and get a venture player, which,
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  by the way, so they go out in a couple
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  of years ago and get Robert Quinn in your mind
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  is just way different from that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, I mean I judge every move independently for
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  what it is. And unfortunately that year the Eagles really,
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  for being honest, didn't do a great vetting job on
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  Robert Quinn that seat. You know, he had not nice
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  year in the year of the year before, but he
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  was dealing with some injuries that year. I think some
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  that were known and some that weren't. And by the
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  time he got to the Eagles, I mean we all
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  saw it. He was not a guy who could make
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  an impact. Yeah, yeah, basically so. But look, Mike, I
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  mean again, like to me, as we go into week
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  two here, if Dallas Goddard, who's banged up, doesn't play,
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  you're down Ben Van Sumering. All right, you're down Johnny Wilson,
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  who was a good blocker in your eleven personnel. When
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  you like to go with three wide receivers and put
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  Johnny Wilson as your third, what you do is you
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  dictate the defense to come out and nickel right, and
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  then you run the ball with Johnny Wilson being much
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  bigger and stronger than your average nickel corner because Johnny
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  Wilson six and six and he was a great blocker
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  of Florida State. So that was an important part of
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  what they did last year offensive in the run game.
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  So now you're down those two guys. Now you may
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  not have got it, and that puts Calkata in your
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  number one tight end spot and maybe cam Latsu here
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  they're talking about playing like a fullback tight end spot.
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  But that's not if Cam went up to and grank
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  kal Kata gonna scare anybody, Absolutely not, especially not the
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  Chiefs defense. And then you got Lander Dickerson deal with
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  a back injury. So you know, not'm making all these moves.
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  But to me, it's like, you run the ball, that
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  is your identity right now. Your left guards banged up,
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  your center didn't really play that well in game one.
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  You're missing two or three key components up of your
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  hard blocking. That that to me is more of a
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  siren than your past truck.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot there.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely want to kind of get into because one
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  I was gonna ask you about. Last year, they had
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  what was the guy's name, Carrie Blasting Game was on
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  the team in the playoffs. He was a full back.
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  Is there any thought to bring a full back back?
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  Like how big a part of the offense was Van
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  Sumer actually going to be? I guess it's kind of unknown.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, listen, I've been saying this year for quite
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  a bit. I feel, and I'm pretty secure in this
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  feeling that there was a plan for Van Sumer, and
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  that was beyond just get out there and block, which
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  doesn't really matter. I mean, they have enough weapons, but
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  I do think they wanted to use him his great
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  hands a little bit as a versatile fullback, but just
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  take the blocking part of it. They want to be
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  able to run the ball out of twenty two personnel,
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  two running backs, two wide receivers and use Van Sumer.
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  And he played it last year at times and did well.
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  You know, there were a couple of blocks that we
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  highlighted that sprung Sae Kwon Barkley for some big runs,
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  including a touchdown or two. So they wanted that, and
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  they worked all season to make him into a fullback,
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  and now he's gone for the season, obviously with another injury,
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  and they it's you don't just pull fullbacks off the
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  street all the time. So it was interesting to hear
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  Kevin Patulo say yesterday, well we have Cam Watson who's
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  basically been a tight end for his career, and then
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  today last year comes to practice wearing numbers thirty eight
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  instead at the tight end number that he was wearing
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  before that. So it's almost like they're trying to advertise everybody, Hey,
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  this guy's gonna be used as a fullback. I watched
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  every single one of Kylon Grants and snaps against the Cowboys.
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  I believe he played twelve. They used him, interestingly, they
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  used him as an h BAC kind of like off
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  you know, almost in a fullback, a little bit of
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  an offset tight end, a little bit of a detached
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  tight end, and an inline tight end. So they tried
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  with Vance Roomer out to use someone who's experienced like that,
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  because he played that in the with the Colts. But
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  he's not a guy that you consider an expert blocker
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  or it's just gonna step in right there and be
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  an anchor in your run offense, like you know you
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  were hoping Van Sumerin could be whenever you were throwing
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  a fullback on the field.
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  Speaker 2: What do we know about Dickerson. You brought him up.
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  Speaker 1: He was practicing today, So I guess that's a pretty
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  good sign. But I guess you're gonna be holding your
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  breath with him for a couple of weeks at least.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was a good time. We all
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  thought that he was gonna be able to start and
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  play in the season opener against Dallas, and then he did,
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  and then you know, with the knee coming back from
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  the meniscus, and then he limps off with a back
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  injury and the next thing you know, Brett Toast is
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  in there. So I never doubt Landon Dickerson's ability to
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  be ready and play in a game and be a warrior.
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  And I really applauded for him. But you cannot ignore
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  the two knee surgeries now since the end of the
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  Super Bowl and then throw in this back injury. He's
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  a big guy, He's carrying a lot of weight, and
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  I think that that's that's all, you know, problematic, and
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  I question his ability to stay on the field. And
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  I would say that the drop off between Landon Dickerson
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  and Brett Toast pretty steep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, big time. All right, Jeff Boscher Football at four.
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  Uh Man, there's a lot you brought up to the
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  table here in just the one answer. So we'll continue
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  to Mike. We'll just continue to check off the stuff.
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  One of the guys we didn't touch on, though, was Bigsby.
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  Speaker 2: Tank.
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  Speaker 1: Bigsby make this trade a fifth and a sixth, So man,
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  does he fill the Shipley Roll?
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  Speaker 2: Does that role go to Dylan?
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  Speaker 3: Listen, if you're trading two draft picks, and I get
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  that a fifth and a six isn't you know a
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  whole lot of stock. But if you're trading two draft
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  picks for a running back who is sunking down on
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  another team's depth chart right two draft picks, then you've
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  got some plans for that guy. You're better, or else
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  you should be fired. Not to be honest with you,
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  but I don't think how he's getting fired. And I
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  don't think his plan was just to bring in tank
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  pigs me as insurance or I've seen this all. Well,
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  you know he returns kicks and with the new dynamic kickoff,
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  Well that's great. That is great, sure because Will Shipley
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  was a kick returner and now he can do that too.
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  But I have a hard time thinking that with the
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  year that he had last year, which is pretty good
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  over eight hundred yards, Yes, it's not going to be
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  a pretty significant part of the backup running back options
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  and offense there and then probably I can't see where
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  aj Dillon sort of fits in now. But he's still
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  on the fifty three. But that's what I'm talking about.
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  With all these moves, it's like you wake up and
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  you know, all of a sudden, he goes have made
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  three different moves and waves three guys and added three guys.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, so they bring Mike Hilton in for
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  a workout. We talked about that on Monday show. But
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  yesterday Vic Dangel said that they would prefer to keep
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  Cooper Dizine at Nickels. So I guess that kind of
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  diffuses bringing in a guy like Hilton, right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, Mike, because I mean I really
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  watched as Vick was answering that question, and he was
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  asked that question in the summer, you know, would you
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  move Cooper and Gene to the outside And his answer
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  was pretty more ultimately no, He's like, no, I need
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  a really good nickel, you know, that's that's where we
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  want him. And when he was asked it yesterday, there
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  was a pause and then there was an um, and
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  then there was a we prefer to keep him and
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  the nickel. And I thought prefer was doing a lot
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  of work in that response. And I do think I
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  know he prefers to keep him a nickel. I know
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  that the organization wants him to play nickel, but the
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  organization also doesn't want every wide receiver each week, you know,
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  burning the outside corner opposite Vignon Mitchell for one hundred
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  and something yards and being fortunate that the wide receiver
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  doesn't drop four passes. So if they don't have an answer,
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  and if JA Coryan Bennett isn't that guy, and I
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  think he'll still get the shot first to see if
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  he's that guy. If A Dory Jackson isn't, then I
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  think they have to strongly consider bringing in a veteran
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  nickel good in Hilton has been to move Cooper outside.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he did say a Dorri Jackson right now. Does
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  that mean on Tuesday or Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think he's going to be the starter on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, because I agree with you that Ja Corey and
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  Bennett I think will be there at some point, even
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  if it's the second half of Sunday Nights Sunday afternoons game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like Vick's not a not an extremely patient guy,
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  but he's also not knee jerk, right, he does everything deliberately.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, well, let me ask you this question.
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  Speaker 1: If you I know it's Patrick Mahomes, but this isn't
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  like the most explosive passing game in terms of weapons.
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  If you struggle in a game with this wide receiving cores,
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  you might have to put some red flags up.
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  Speaker 3: You certainly will, especially I believe what Week three is,
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  Tampa Bay? Is it not?
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  Speaker 2: No Rams? And then Tampa Ram?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean to pick your poison as far as
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  having a really good wide receiver duo, because both of
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  those teams have him. I mean, I'm sure you saw
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  the yamccaguka highlights.
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  Speaker 1: From and it's why this game is very important. I mean,
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  these are two games after that, these two teams you
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  struggle against Tampa and the Rams desperately want some you know,
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  they want to show everybody that they're right there with you,
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  and they were there till the last minute in that.
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  Speaker 2: Game in January. You almost need to get this game.
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  Do you feel that way?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's important. I mean, individually, for Adri Jackson,
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  you don't have Rashi Rice to worry about. It looks
• 19:07
  like he may have your worth that he's going to
• 19:08
  be out with the dislocated shoulder. I mean, we're talking now,
• 19:12
  We're talking Markeith Brown, We're talking Taekwon Thornton and Juju
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  Smith Schuster. All right, if you if you can't hold
• 19:20
  them in check a little bit and do a much
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  better job against them than you did against Cee Lamb. Then, yeah,
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  your trouble because there's no one that's we just talked about.
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  And one thing I'll tell you I had a conversation
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  I won't name the name, which is just to protect them,
• 19:35
  but with someone who played defensive back in the NFL,
• 19:39
  and we were talking about Dori Jackson's approach to Ceedee
• 19:43
  Lamb and there were a couple of snaps there, especially
• 19:45
  on that that over out where he got twenty six
• 19:48
  where he could tell it wasn't just getting it was
• 19:50
  like you didn't see the conviction in a Dory to
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  get into Ceedee Lamb's it pocket and close that cushion
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  who was third and two when he gave him eight
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  yards and then then see he turned it into a
• 20:03
  twenty six yard game because that's how far Dory was.
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  So it's one thing if you just get beat on
• 20:10
  just getting beat right, you're there, but you get beat.
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  But it's another thing if you're playing with a lack
• 20:14
  of confidence, you will get eaten alive in this league.
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  Speaker 1: I yeah, I agree with that because and the one
• 20:20
  thing I thought that Bennett did a good job, he
• 20:23
  was there was three or three on targets at him,
• 20:25
  but only for twenty yards. He closed well and made
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  the tackle. Fine, catch the ball, but don't give up
• 20:31
  yards after the catch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, so this is you know, it's it's obviously Vic.
• 20:36
  Something VIC is monitoring. He's not afraid to talk about it.
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  And we'll see what kind of moves are man. I
• 20:42
  would think that if if, if he's not playing well,
• 20:46
  I wouldn't be surprised I'm talking about a do I
• 20:48
  wouldn't be surprised to see I'm moving halftime.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, last one, what is this with Goddard? I mean,
• 20:53
  is there anything to read into this? Is there possibility
• 20:56
  he doesn't play in the game on Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, when a guy doesn't practice on Wednesday,
• 21:03
  it you know, you get the sirens up a little bit,
• 21:06
  but you know that there are certain veterans or as
• 21:08
  long as they make it out by Friday, then you
• 21:11
  feel better about it. You just with veterans, guys like
• 21:15
  Dallas for be in a while. If Dallas is not
• 21:17
  on the field tomorrow, and if he can't even do
• 21:20
  the Friday walkthrough, then you're gonna know he's not gonna
• 21:23
  play it. And I mean the answer to the test
• 21:25
  will be right there and that's or he can't practice.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: All week Calcultara and then we're talking about Granton maybe
• 21:31
  playing fullback, but he would have to go back to
• 21:33
  tight end.
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  Speaker 3: And then I think you would see a lot too,
• 21:36
  probably elevated. I mean you would see you would see
• 21:39
  a couple of different approaches to blocking here. But you
• 21:44
  know what, the Chiefs did a pretty good job against
• 21:45
  Saquan even with Goddard on the field. Now that meant
• 21:48
  that the Eagles could open it up. And maybe that's
• 21:50
  what the Eagles will have to do to, you know,
• 21:53
  against the Chiefs open it up. But we know that
• 21:55
  the Eagles like to at least start to establish the
• 21:57
  run and then set that up. But we'll see, all.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Right, Jeff Boucher Football at Four powered by the Inside
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• 22:08
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• 22:11
  good stuff today, NICs Ike