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Oh My Gosh, She Told Him Anyway! · Unashamed Table Talk

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Unashamed Table Talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: For more information on Unashamed Women's Ministry, go to UnashamedWW.com.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was just on a little roll that day of all things not Jesus, but I was using it to make a point on our very Jesus focused podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna sing all the bad songs.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I I mean I just pulled it right out, didn't I?
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, I started laughing at myself, and it's not very often I get tickled at myself, but I did get very tickled.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're in the background, don't ever do that again.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you were saying.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyhow, today.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we are talking about prayer.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we're just being stupid, and then you just get so serious.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I need more of a transition time.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, listen, I noticed that when I'm editing too that we're laughing and we're being all stupid, and then here comes old Denise trying to rain.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people think you're mean.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: We do have a serious topic.
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  SPEAKER_02: A topic.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't speak, a serious topic about prayer, and it really is fun.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: First off, on a side note, I think that scripture is supposed to be fun, and talking about God's word is supposed to be fun.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: God has a sense of humor, and it's okay to laugh through some of God's word, not in a disrespectful way.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you have to get serious to get into God's word, that's not even fun.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, who wants to be serious all the time?
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to sit and do this whole thing with your legs crossed on a mat.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like so serious.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the Lord says, Hey, just talk to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Prayer is really just communication.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's communicating, it's talking.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what prayer is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so if God only wanted us to talk to him in serious times, then oh my gosh, I my prayer life would be worse than it is already because half of my prayers come through in the middle of the day where I'm just like, oh my goodness, Lord, help me with this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dang, Lord, why can't I find this?
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  SPEAKER_01: God help me make this work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh Lord, I hope I get there in time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm talking to Him all the time now.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Those aren't my only prayers.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: I do have a more serious prayer time in the mornings when I spend time in worship.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, that's prayer too.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's communicating with the Lord through worship, through reading of his word and different things like that.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I do think God definitely has a sense of humor and he wants to hear from us all the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, there are times obviously when prayer is very serious, when you're having something, a catastrophe or trauma of some sort that you're praying through, and that's serious.
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  SPEAKER_02: But just in our normal quiet prayer time, like he's not a boring, uptight God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like he is fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have a conversation with him.
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  SPEAKER_02: I hope, for the most part, I pray to him like I'm talking to a friend.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, sometimes when I'm praying, I'm just like, especially with somebody new, I'm like, this is just how I talk to God, you know.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is how I talk.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes it's wonky.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't have good English.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't pause when I'm supposed to pause.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't pray in the King James Version, that's for sure.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just a conversation with the Lord.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: All of that to say, when you have something that happens, it always just boggles my mind because I have a lot of friends and family that are not believers.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when something scary or tragic happens in your world, if you are not a believer, or even if you are a believer, but you don't have close friends or a church family that you can reach out to that will instantly stop what they're doing and say prayers for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how you, I don't know how you get through that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, so literally, for instance, a little while ago, we'd got a call from our daughter who was completely crying and freaking out because they had gotten a bad report about our little granddaughter or could potentially a bad report.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not a bad report yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she's calling me, filling me in.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know they were at the doctor's office, and I'm trying to not freak out because my daughter will feed off of me very much.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, if I freak out, then she's gonna freak out even more.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm like, it's okay, it's gonna be fine.
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  SPEAKER_02: We'll wait and find out what the ultrasound says, and da-da-da-da.
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  SPEAKER_02: And instantly I was I was on, I was texting you, your you texted me right when I was on that phone call, and I immediately said, please pray for Alex and Briar.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I know that you did.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then we got off the phone and I began to send group text messages out to my close prayer warrior friends.
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  SPEAKER_02: And within literally maybe 15 minutes of me sending messages out, I know that there was at least a hundred people praying for my daughter and my granddaughter and my son-in-law, you know.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I went from literally trying to just not freak out and hold it together and not cry.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting ready to record a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't lose it right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ministry is gonna happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: And all of a sudden, it was just like I'm okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: My people are praying.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh one of my friends, Nana, reached out and she said, Well, how are you?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I said, Honestly, Nana, 10 minutes ago I was starting to freak out, but I can feel my friends' prayer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now that my now that my friends, now that my people are praying, I'm actually okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that that was so true.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that brought me to Ecclesiastes 4, 9 and 10.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it says, Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed.
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  SPEAKER_02: If one person falls down, the other can reach out and help.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if someone who falls alone, it but someone who falls alone is in real trouble.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I just relate that to the prayer, and it's not specifically talking about prayer, but the point is is we're supposed to do this thing of life together.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't have people that are praying for you, like how do you get through the hard things in life?
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: We all have hard moments that we face, and I don't know, I don't know how you do it if you don't have people praying for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we do know how you do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not well.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's not well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because before we came to know Christ, we lived our life going through hurt, pain, struggles, life issues, not knowing the Lord, not praying, not knowing that He is our helper.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we dealt with things in the wrong way through our own power, our own strength, no matter what it what it was.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some people use drugs, some people use alcohol to cope, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people use attention seeking to cope.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people like to spend a lot of money to cope.
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  SPEAKER_01: You think you can buy your way out of it, you think you can climb the ladder and make be successful and get out of certain things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, before you know Christ, you tried to do it all on your own, and it leads you to a place where you're on your knees understanding that you can't do it, and you have to have Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: And usually that's the place of repentance and the place of surrender where we come to know Christ because we've been trying to do life on our own.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's miserable, it's hard, it's not well, it's not, it doesn't look good.
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  SPEAKER_01: But and even after knowing Christ, right, we know we can pray and God can help us, but sometimes, even in that, it just looks ugly.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it looks ugly, it's hard, and it doesn't always look the way some people think that it should look.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: But it's okay because we know that we have the Father on our side and we know that he's gonna take care of us, and sometimes we go through it well, sometimes we don't.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: But every situation is a growing situation and a learning situation, like in James.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: I know you love the book of James, I love the book of James, but all through James, basically all through James, he's telling us, you know, everything is about growing and learning and maturing in Christ, and he's telling us how we should do it, and he's also telling us what we shouldn't do, which are the things that we do a lot of the times, and how it'll backfire, you know?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it does backfire.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, when we don't do what we're supposed to do, it backfires.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: We work so hard to do it on our own, I think.
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  SPEAKER_02: We do, and and sometimes we do it on our own, but still in Jesus' name, you know, like we get this pride, like we can do this.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: And and even, you know, and I think about prayer, sometimes we think, well, it's stupid to pray about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that's not important, but but it is important.
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  SPEAKER_02: If it's important to us, it's important to God.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I've talked about her a gajillion times, and she's gone home to be with the Lord now.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: But my sweet friend Marilyn, who would who really taught me how to pray.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: And even when I was outside with my dog after I got off the phone with Alex and Briar, and I was trying to not freak out and trying not to cry, and just literally on my front porch with my dog, I was like, man, I wish Marilyn was still here because I would, she's who I would call.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: And and she would instantly just whatever she was doing, if the pot was boiling over, she would take it off the flame and she would stop and and pray.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it's that reminder that I want to be that person.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want to be that person when I'm scrolling through social media and someone has posted something about this has happened, please pray.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be that person that always stops right then and prays.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or if I get a text message, I want to be the one.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want when I die, I want people to think, man, I wish BJ was here because I know she would stop right now and pray for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want that kind of legacy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want people to know that I love the Lord and that I love them enough that I'm gonna take whatever is freaking them out in the moment and take it to our Heavenly Father, who is the healer of all things, even if it doesn't come out the way we think, He is perfect and he cares more about us than we ever could imagine.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, that's the legacy I want.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: You said something in there, even if it isn't perfect, and it reminded me even before we started this podcast, I said, Let's pray.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: And we were praying, and when we got done praying, you were like, Thank you.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, I'm sorry, that didn't come out right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you were like, What?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I didn't mean da-da-da-da-da.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like trying to explain myself because as I was praying, my mind was thinking a certain way, but the words didn't just come out correctly, and then I was trying to fix my words, and kind of like being in a ditch, but yes, I it was just getting worse and worse and worse, but ultimately here's the thing this is what I love is that Jesus said, I must go, so he must come.
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  SPEAKER_01: Holy Spirit can come, right?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a uh the Bible teaches us that even when we don't know what to pray, yeah, we have this mediator, and he knows what we need more than we need.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I get caught up in my prayer.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I go either, I go so I go so far from the left to the right, like right, and there's no happy medium for me.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm either praying all these details for all these certain things to happen, and I mean, I'm just going, Lord, will you do this, this, and I'm being very, very specific.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or I start thinking about it and I'm like, I don't know nothing.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if all of that needs to happen.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think it does, but the Lord really knows.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then I go all the way over to this other side, and my words are very few.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Lord, look, you know what's needed here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what to praise.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Lord, your will be done.
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  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: DN.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like I go from so far from one end to the other, but realistically, here's the thing: the Lord is not getting hung up on our words, he wants us to communicate with him, and I think it is just amazing that within a short amount of time you've got a hundred plus friends praying, and everyone's praying in a different manner, yeah.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's praying differently because God's created us all differently, and so you've got a hundred plus prayers that are going up.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's unique, every prayer is unique.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my prayer and your prayer may not be the same, but here's the deal: out of all hundred of us, our desire is the same.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: And the desire is that baby Briar is perfectly healthy and fine and peace is felt within the home.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it was awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: And just to be clear, I didn't have a hundred friends that I texted, but the ripple effect of how the church works is I texted my close friends who then said, Can I share with X, Y, and Z, or with their small group, or with their Sunday school class or whatever.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so it went from a small group of my close friends, and the ripple effect is that within a very short amount of time, there were a lot of people that I know that I I mean, I don't know that I would call them all friends, but that I know are faithfully praying now for my granddaughter.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, it it was just the peace that comes from that.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can't you can't describe it, you can't explain it, you just have to feel it.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I hope, first off, that I hope you don't have tragedy where you have to feel that for sure.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I hope that at some point in your life, regardless of how it happens or why it happens, that you get the pleasure of feeling God's grace and God's peace when it doesn't make sense for you to have God's peace.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's so good.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember when we were all at Tammy's house and there were several of us ministry leaders, church leaders, speakers, authors there together?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: And it started someone, and I know who it was, but someone who will remain unnamed had an alarm go off and she said the Lord's Prayer.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then next thing you know, all of us there ultimately, or at least most of us, we just jump on this bandwagon to where we're all gonna say the Lord's Prayer at noon every day.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when it first happened, I was like, I ain't doing that, but then everybody else was doing it, so then I felt like I needed to do it too.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I set my alarm thinking, I ain't doing this.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then the next several days, my alarm goes off, and I'm like, okay, that's weird.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, then there's all these text messages going on.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: I just pray with you, sisters, I just pray with y'all.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's so fun knowing that my sisters are all praying.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, oh my gosh, I suck.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: I am not as spiritual as these people, and so I began to do the whole thing, like I'm gonna really do it.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then something happened, and all of a sudden, I am feeling very convicted about it.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very like recognizing that I'm praying, being intentional with my prayer, and taking the Lord's prayer and really developing that into actual prayer time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It also became very irritating because some of the same people would be in very important situations and their alarms would go off, and like that's just rude.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, turn your phone off, like you can not have it make noises.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I be it was like, hate this, it's a little weird, but I'm starting to love it, and then hate it again, and I don't do it anymore.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: But it was a whole learning process for me, and I don't really know what the point of that story is, other than talking about prayer.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: It made me go into that.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you raised your hand, your turn.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tag you're it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's supposed to be behind the scenes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not to let everybody know I raised it.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: They can't see us, and so it's not behind the scenes anymore.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all, she raised her hand like we're in school.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's my turn, it's my turn.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I do remember that, and I remember that when we started, I thought, oh, well, that's good because for me, I struggle with my prayer life.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's always been a weak spot in my walk with the Lord.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: I do, like I said, I don't have to keep saying this.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: I talk to the Lord, I do all that, but I know that that's not my strength in my walk with the Lord.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Prayer life to you, for you, when I look at you, your prayer life is a strong part of your faith.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I look up to you when it comes to praying.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've really I've learned so much from you when we have our prayer time together and things like that.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, when this whole thing came up about saying the Lord's prayer at noon and all of this, I thought, okay, well, that'd be good because that will help me to stop what I'm doing and take time and pray.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: So when I started it, I was kind of like, okay, this will be a good thing for me.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: I need this.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it wasn't long before I realized I even teach I teach life group, or I did, and I even went back to my life group and I told them about it.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: And we had a whole discussion about it.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: We did a whole study on the Lord's Prayer, like for two or three weeks or whatever, and we broke it down, and it was a whole thing for our life group.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: We all started doing that, and so it was all great for a little bit.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember how long, maybe a week or two or something.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: But then what happened was I for one, I was getting tired of all the group message stuff, phone just going off crazy all the time.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like group messages anyway.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing was it became something I was doing because I had my alarm set and I wasn't doing it for the right reasons.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I also started thinking as I'm hearing other people on these group messages, I'm thinking this is all being taken a completely different way than what the person meant for it to be when it started.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's becoming a habit, it's becoming a club, it's becoming this thing that, oh, we all do this at noon.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's becoming this thing that almost like we're better than other people because we're all doing this at noon type thing, you know.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're talking about it going off at certain times and people just stopping, whatever.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was in the middle of something one time and somebody's phone went off.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, out of all of these people, everything just stopped.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we all and all the people there didn't even know anything about this.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Most didn't.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: I I was with you, and it was just like, okay, okay, we're this is what we're gonna do.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna all say the Lord's prayer.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: And me and you are just like, what the heck just happened?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, what just happened here?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and there was, I mean, it was a major thing that was going on, and this person just and I know that it wasn't meant to cause harm or any of this, but this shows how we can take something, even prayer, that prayer should be such a precious time with the Lord.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Again, God is a the word is fun.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, there's so much fun stuff in the word.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where, you know, I get pumped up looking at God's word.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, there was this woman that had this man come in her tent and she hit him, and when he went to sleep, she stabbed him in the eye, and there's this and there's that, you know.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think of all these things in the Bible.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: I get all pumped up about things that's happening in in the word, and you get excited about prayer, and you get excited about discipleship.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: You get excited about discipleship and prayer.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: I get excited about the word and I get excited about discipleship.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: It looks different for us, but.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: But prayer should be something that is special.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it is a sweet time that you spend with the Lord.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, there are also those little prayers like I was talking about earlier.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Lord, help me get there on time.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it when I say that.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Or when listening to a song and I'm singing along with that song, like I love worship and I truly think about every word that I'm singing.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that is communication.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's prayer.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: But when it becomes a habit and it becomes this thing that you're just doing because everybody's doing, if it stops and it becomes something that is very inconsiderate, that you are stopping people in their tracks or you're doing this, that, and that it's being disrespectful and you're not paying attention to the people that are around you.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: There's something wrong with that.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: It becomes about you, not about your prayers to the Lord, is what happens.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And it shouldn't your prayer should never be about you.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Not that you can't pray for you, because you can, but it's about it's about being with a holy God, it's about communicating with the holy God.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, again, you can have fun with that, and you can just be you.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to pray in, you know, I the only way I don't say it's you don't have to pray in King James Version.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: If that's how you talk, then pray that way.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: But like it, it should just be a conversation with the Lord.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: And when you're talking about the like, Lord, help me get there on time and those little, you know, little popcorn prayers, that to me, that is what living out the scripture means by praying continually.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like it's the word isn't saying, like, literally sit in a corner in a dark prayer room praying continuously 24 hours a day.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: It to me is having a mindset of prayer is that when you're like, oh Lord, help me get there on time, Lord help me.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank you, Lord, that I didn't just get rear-ended, you know, all of those little just thoughtful, you know, in thought, in the moment, little one-liner prayers.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: I believe that is what having a genuine prayer life looks like.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go back to the situation with the Lord's Prayer because some of those folks that did that with us may be listening to our podcast.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that's awesome.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think I hope that you are.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think they are?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because I wonder.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know if they are or not, but I want to make it clear, regardless whether they're listening or not, I don't want others to think something in particular like everyone was just being rude and making it all about them.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because here's the thing: no one set out to do that.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, everyone had the right heart to do it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: No one set out to thinking they were better than anybody else.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: No one set out to stop everything that was going on around them to make it about, you know, this club of women who are praying.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: That was never the intention.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: That was where the enemy came in and took something that was meant for good and he twisted it around because that's what the enemy does.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I love every one of those women, and I know every one of those women's hearts are genuine.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was not the intention, exactly.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: And some of those women, maybe all of them, but us two heathens, may still do that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, just stopped with the text messages and stopped with, you know, like we don't know what they're doing or not doing.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I and I hope that they are because it was a beautiful thing.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: And and also, like, I just want to also go on this little, like the the flip side of that is that it's okay to want to be part of a group that's doing something fun, especially if it's honoring the Lord.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: We want to be accepted and included, and to be included in the group for any kind of activity is fun.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: To be excluded is hurtful.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: And if you get included in something, it's okay to be excited about that and to have fun with it.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Just make sure that in that excitement, you don't lose the focus.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: And again, not on this, because I know every single woman that did that, specifically that was in our group that was doing it, and mirroring everything you said, none of them had ill intent.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: And none of them, unless they listen to this podcast, are gonna ever know that we had bad attitudes about some of it, because it's not something we've talked about with them, or at least I haven't, that I don't know that you have.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And because it was a beautiful, beautiful thing.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: And in that experience, I really did learn a lot.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: And just the one thing that was so convicting to me is I was there was one time I was at fast food restaurant and my little alarm went off, and I was frustrated, and I was actually in the bathroom at a restaurant, getting ready to eat lunch, wash man's all the things.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I stopped, but it was it was just that moment to just stop and be intentional, and and I love that.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like I loved what it taught me about stopping and being intentional to meet with the Lord.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that it's okay sometimes to set those reminders.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have to be at noon or whatever, which why there's so many of us as believers, we pray before we eat.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes we'll eat, we're getting ready to eat, Jay and I, and we'll pray and and then we'll, you know, usually my husband prays over our meals, but sometimes I will.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: And but it's usually it's like, amen.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, oh, and thank you for the food, because it's just a reminder to it's just a time set apart to pray and to remind us to get with the Lord and to have a conversation with him.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not always about the food, right?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like we do want to thank him for our daily bread and all the things, but it's just the time set apart to intentionally talk to the Lord.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: As we were talking about all this, and I was thinking about how I was saying I talked to the Lord throughout the day for different things, little things, pop popcorn prayers, as you mentioned.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you said something about that.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: You made a comment saying that that's part of walking out our salvation type thing.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's part of walking out the word and living the scriptures is communicating with God throughout the day.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: And when you said that, I I was reminded of how I myself, me personally, I can beat myself up about how I walk with the Lord.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was just talking to a friend earlier today, and something was coming up about being more spiritual.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Well, I think you're a little bit more spiritual.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I said, You're definitely more spiritual than I am.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, I don't think so.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're way more spiritual than me.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, No, I'm not.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, You're the one that's out there teaching the word and traveling places to go speak and have it on your heart to do that.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, So that don't make any difference.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you're the one that's doing, you know, we're I said, Okay, look, this is really stupid that we're we're already.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're better than me.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're better than me.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: But is that not what we do?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of times in life we compare ourselves to other people, you know, and so this is what I told her.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Okay, let's just both shut up.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because here's the thing sometimes there are days that you are more spiritual than me, and sometimes there are days that I'm more spiritual and than you, and it's okay.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, And right now, in this moment, I think you're more spiritual than I am.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, Okay, that's fair.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: So why do you feel not very spiritual right now?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so then you know it opens up spiritual on you.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: She got all spiritual on me, exactly.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so I start saying certain things like I was getting sidetracked in my devotional this morning.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was a battle trying to stay in the devotional and and little things like that, you know, was going to read, and then I got sidetracked.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I picked up my phone to listen to uh Lisa Harper podcast.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: And instead, I started scrolling on social media, and then 30 minutes later I realized I said, So I just kind of feel like you're more spiritual than me because you sent me all these scriptures this morning and da-da-da.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: And as you were saying that though, about talking to God during during the day, throughout the day, that that's part of us.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: I forget how you worded it, but basically that's us walking out the word.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: That was a reminder to me.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was like God just confirmed when you said that to me and said, Denise, you're walking out.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: You are living closer to me than you think you are.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I really am thinking about him pretty much most of my day through things, you know.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: I get off, I mess up.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: I but when I mess up, I'm right there going, oh, I mean, seriously, I can drive down the road and cut somebody off or get mad.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really cut people off much anymore.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: I do sometimes.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I've read you, you do.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: If they do something to me, I want to get them back, right?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: I said, and but then as soon as it happens, and I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, Lord, I know I shouldn't have done that.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: That is walking out with the Lord.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: That is talking, that is communication with the Lord.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's ugly, but that's what communication looks like.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not just bringing him things when it's good, it's bringing him the ugly too.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes it's sometimes it's it's ugly for sure, but it's also painful.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes it's having a battle with the Lord.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there are times where I'm like, we're throwing hands with the Holy Spirit, like this is not fun.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: And and you have to fight some things out with the Lord.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: And in the end, he's gonna win because like he's God, but he is a safe person to battle things out with.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things he had mentioned earlier, I want you to read the quote when we were getting ready for this about the the mind.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: And but really the the gist of it, at least what I've taken away from this, was that the more that you get with the Lord, the more that you're in the word, the more that that is preparing your heart to to really have this communication time with the Lord, and that you have to prepare your heart, your your mind that's gonna influence the way that your heart receives and puts out what's going in.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: And that may maybe not make any sense.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Read the quote that you have.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: It'll well basically it comes down to this the mind informs the heart.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the mind informs the heart.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I this is okay.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on, wait, wait.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: The heart can't inform the mind because our heart's deceitful.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: The mind has to inform the heart.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yes.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and so I had written this is not the quote, but I'm gonna read this first before I go into the quote.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: You study the word, so your knowledge of Christ grows.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: The more you know, the more you want, the more you love.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the mind.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're reading and it's going into your mind and it's affecting your heart.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: The scientists have found mind before heart connection.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Pleasure does not simply happen, it develops.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Paul Bloom, a professor at Yale, found that pleasure results from gaining knowledge about the object of our pleasure, not as we might assume from merely experiencing it over and over.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: We gain knowledge of something, and the more we know about it, the more we want it or we want to be a part of it.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: We experience it.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so the mind informs the heart.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: You think about you can look at this in so many different directions, honestly.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: But thing most people come to know God or faith in God on very little information.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we come to know more about God after we've accepted Christ than before.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we talked about that recently on a different episode.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: That I mean, I didn't even understand that I had gotten saved when I got saved, you know.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like the the understanding came later of really what had happened.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: So the mind, our mind knows we need something different.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Our mind knows that what we're involved in now is not working and we need a change.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Then Holy Spirit comes and draws us, and there's this feeling with the mind and the heart that we need something different.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Once we accept what's been offered, then become there becomes a heart change.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's also why we say all the time, if you're waiting until you get cleaned up before you come to know Christ, you're never going to be good enough.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're never going to get cleaned up enough.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: You have to come to God as you are with the ugly heart, with the dirtiness, all the things.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: But when your mind comes to this place of knowing my heart needs to be changed, the mind informs the heart, and then you receive.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we are so out of time, but man, this is I was I love talking about prayer.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: I love prayer.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: You got something else you want to share?
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: We got, I mean, we determine how long our pocket.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, we're gonna go just I want to share something.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Getting getting on the mind and the heart.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I we don't normally share like websites and things like that, but I want to share this particular one.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: This has been many years ago.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: We had this young man come to our church, and his name was Micah Wilder.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Their ministry is called Adams Road Ministry.com.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Adamsroadministry.com.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I had these notes of some things that he said, but this was so many years ago I cannot remember every detail.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, Micah was raised as a devout Mormon, and his father was a high priest in the Mormon church, his mother was a professor at BYU, which is a Mormon college.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Once a Mormon reaches a certain age, they get to leave for like this two-year ministry trip, and they are taught that they are the only ones who will ever get into heaven, and it is through their works, right?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: So Micah was graduating early and he was a really smart guy, and he was so excited about his two-year trip that he was about to go on.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: So he was sent.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: So the Mormons sent him out.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: He was sent to Florida.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: So when he goes to Florida, he says he went with the mindset that he was going to convert all of Florida.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was wound up, I'm going to Florida and I'm converting them all to Mormonism.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Michael was bold and he decided that he was going to convert a pastor, a Baptist preacher, and they're his entire congregation.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: So this is where he was going to start.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: So he walks into this church one day, he asks to talk to the pastor, he sits down, and in his mind, he's supposed to have this debate.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: And if it takes him all two years, he's going to convert this Baptist preacher in this entire church.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes in and he talks to this pastor.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the pastor says, This after much debate, the pastor told Micah as he was leaving out of his office, he says, I want you to go and read the Bible as a child and see what God shows you.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: So Micah studied the word for 18 months, and he tried to read the word as a child, and he was converted and he was freed.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so he read the word for 18 months as a child, and he would read and he would come back to this pastor and he would try to debate.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: But slowly over time, what happened was the debate ended up changing.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's got the mindset, I'm going to go in and convert all these people.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: But this is what I wanted to kind of tie this in with is that we have to have an open mind to the word and to prayer.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: The word is sweet and it is precious and it is all truth.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: And if we take time to really read it and study it, it will completely change our lives.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: It will rock our world if we'll give it a chance.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes we need to just read it like a child and just let God just speak to us and quit making things so hard.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same with prayer.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Quit making it so hard.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just talk to God, just like we're talking right here.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's not looking like he said for the King James prayer.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's just looking for conversation.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: His greatest desire is for us to communicate with him.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're his children, and I think his greatest desire is for us to communicate.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because look, if we communicate with him on a regular basis about all the things, our hearts are going to change, and we're going to fulfill all the things God put us on this earth to do because we are in right relationship with Christ, because we're having so much conversation with him.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and and kind of on that same note, you know, just a reminder that who you spend time with is who you're close to.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: If you go, I mean, there's there's many of us have that friend that if you don't talk to them for six months, you can be right back like you didn't miss a beat.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: But in general, the ones that you're closest to, the ones that you do life with, the ones that you know that this is happening in their world are the ones you talk to on the regular a couple of times or daily, you know, daily or a couple of times a week.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's who that's who you're that's who you're closest to.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: That those are your first contacts when something happens.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: And is God on that list?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: Is he on your speed dial list?
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because it should be him first.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, it reminds me when we uh talked to Kim several weeks ago, right at the end of season one, and we talked about when she was going through the the wildfire tragedy that she couldn't pray, like she didn't even know, like it just wouldn't like there wasn't words, but she still knew the power of prayer and the need for her people to pray.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: And again, that was the church being the church, and and I and I love that.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I, if you don't have people, my my prayer for you is that you will find people, even if it's just start with one or two trustworthy friends that you know that you know that you know, that you can call them up or send a quick text message and just say pray and know without a doubt that that's exactly what they're doing, and they're interceding on your behalf to the Holy Spirit, to the Lord, and and I pray that you sincerely feel the peace that comes from that.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, that just sends me on another thing.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: We'll talk about it next week.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Make a note, we'll talk about it next week.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thing about Moses holding up the oh, I love that.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, let's do that.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: We'll talk about that in a week or time.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:46
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• 41:51
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• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: May you be encouraged, rooted in truth, and unashamed.