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Interview with Todd Fixler · Punk, Love, & Compassion

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Foreign.
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Welcome
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to
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Punk
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Loving
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Compassion.
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Today
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I'm
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interviewing
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Todd.
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I've
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known
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Todd
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for
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a
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while,
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15
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years,
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give
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or
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take.
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I
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met
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Todd
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through
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the
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collecting
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community
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versus
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the
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punk
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community.
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But
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he
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and
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I
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just
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happen
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to
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have
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the
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music
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part
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in
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common
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as
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well.
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And
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just
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we
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became
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friends
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over
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that
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and
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seeing
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each
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other
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through
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that,
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but
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we
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haven't
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seen
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each
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other
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in
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a
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couple
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years.
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Minute.
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Yeah.
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So
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I'm
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glad
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I
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get
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to
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see
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you
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today,
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my
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friend.
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Well,
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you
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as
0:41
well.
0:41
Thank
0:41
you.
0:41
Todd
0:42
has
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been
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going
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to
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shows
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since
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early
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94
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or
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93.
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Cool.
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And
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yeah,
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so.
0:49
So
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a
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while.
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A
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minute,
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as
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kids
0:53
say.
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And
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you're
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also
0:54
a
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photographer,
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right?
0:55
Yes.
0:56
Cool.
0:56
Yep,
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yep.
0:58
As
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well
0:58
as
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being
0:58
many,
0:59
many
0:59
other
0:59
awesome
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things.
1:02
Before
1:02
we
1:02
get
1:03
into
1:03
this,
1:03
just
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want
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to
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remind
1:04
everybody.
1:05
One,
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I'm
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not
1:06
a
1:06
professional.
1:07
I'm
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not
1:07
a
1:07
professional
1:08
podcaster
1:09
or
1:09
a
1:09
journalist
1:10
or
1:11
anything
1:12
that
1:12
you
1:12
probably
1:12
expect
1:12
out
1:13
of
1:13
listening
1:13
to
1:14
a
1:14
podcast.
1:15
I'm
1:16
not
1:16
that,
1:16
but
1:17
I'm
1:17
working
1:17
on
1:17
it.
1:17
I'm
1:18
working
1:18
on
1:18
getting
1:18
better.
1:18
I'm
1:18
working
1:19
on
1:19
editing.
1:20
So
1:20
hopefully,
1:21
you
1:21
know,
1:21
as
1:21
we
1:22
get
1:22
through
1:22
this
1:22
journey,
1:23
things
1:23
will
1:24
improve
1:25
and
1:25
I
1:25
might
1:25
become
1:26
a
1:26
pretend
1:27
professional
1:27
at
1:27
some
1:28
point
1:28
in
1:28
time,
1:28
but
1:28
I'm
1:29
not
1:29
there
1:29
yet.
1:29
Also,
1:31
be
1:32
nice
1:32
to
1:32
each
1:32
other
1:33
and
1:33
we're
1:33
going
1:33
to
1:33
get
1:33
started.
1:34
So,
1:34
Todd,
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do
1:35
you
1:35
want
1:35
to
1:35
say
1:35
anything
1:35
about
1:36
yourself
1:36
before
1:37
we
1:37
get
1:37
into
1:37
this?
1:37
Like
1:38
introduce
1:38
yourself
1:38
any
1:39
further
1:39
than
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I
1:39
did?
1:40
You
1:40
don't
1:40
have
1:40
to.
1:41
I
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think.
1:42
You
1:42
think
1:42
you
1:42
covered
1:43
my
1:43
bases.
1:45
I've
1:45
been
1:46
doing
1:46
fatigue
1:47
kind
1:47
of
1:47
in
1:47
the
1:47
music
1:47
scene
1:48
for
1:48
probably
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like
1:49
15,
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20
1:49
years
1:49
now.
1:50
And
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I'm
1:50
sure
1:50
we'll.
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It'll
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kind
1:52
of
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cross
1:52
over
1:52
into
1:53
kind
1:53
of
1:53
what
1:53
we
1:53
discussed
1:53
kind
1:54
of
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moving
1:54
forward
1:54
with
1:54
the
1:54
ballet
1:55
shows
1:55
and
1:55
whatnot.
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And
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then,
1:58
yeah,
1:58
they.
1:59
You
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did
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great.
2:00
Very
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professional
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sounding.
2:02
Thank
2:02
you,
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I
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appreciate
2:03
that.
2:04
Also,
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I
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do
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have
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a
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child
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and
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I
2:06
also
2:07
have
2:07
two
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relatively
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large
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dogs,
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so
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they,
2:11
they
2:11
may
2:12
appear
2:12
in
2:12
the
2:12
background
2:13
from
2:13
time
2:13
to
2:13
time.
2:15
I
2:15
usually
2:15
keep
2:15
the
2:15
dogs
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outside
2:16
during
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the
2:17
podcast,
2:17
but
2:17
it's
2:17
raining,
2:18
so
2:18
I
2:18
have
2:18
them
2:18
inside.
2:20
One
2:20
likes
2:21
to
2:21
try
2:21
to
2:21
climb
2:21
in
2:22
my
2:22
lap
2:22
from
2:22
time
2:22
to
2:22
time,
2:23
so
2:23
hopefully
2:24
she
2:24
won't.
2:24
But
2:25
just
2:25
giving
2:25
everybody
2:26
a
2:26
heads
2:26
up,
2:27
it
2:28
might
2:28
happen.
2:30
Okay,
2:30
so
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start
2:31
the
2:31
interview.
2:32
Question
2:33
number
2:33
A.
2:34
Do
2:34
you
2:34
remember
2:35
what
2:36
the
2:36
first
2:37
punk
2:38
esque
2:38
song
2:39
you
2:39
ever
2:39
heard
2:39
was?
2:40
I'm
2:40
pretty
2:41
sure
2:41
it
2:41
was
2:42
the.
2:43
The
2:43
one
2:43
that
2:44
that
2:44
sticks
2:44
out
2:44
to
2:44
me
2:44
is
2:45
the
2:45
Ramones
2:46
and
2:46
it
2:47
was
2:47
actually
2:47
the
2:48
song
2:48
from
2:48
the
2:48
movie
2:49
Pet
2:49
Sematary.
2:50
That's
2:50
the
2:50
one
2:50
I
2:50
remember.
2:51
It's
2:51
not
2:51
a
2:51
bad
2:52
start.
2:52
I
2:53
never
2:53
kind
2:53
of
2:53
associated
2:54
them
2:54
with
2:54
punk
2:54
rock
2:55
and
2:55
Punk,
2:55
they
2:55
were
2:55
just
2:56
the
2:56
Ramones.
2:56
They
2:57
were
2:57
ubiquitous.
2:58
But
2:58
kind
2:58
of
2:58
when
2:58
I
2:59
got
2:59
more
3:00
into
3:00
punk
3:00
rock
3:00
and
3:01
saw
3:01
their
3:01
influence,
3:02
their
3:03
influence
3:03
was
3:03
insurmountable.
3:04
It
3:04
was
3:04
amazing.
3:05
My
3:06
journey
3:06
into
3:06
punk
3:06
rock
3:07
was
3:08
kind
3:08
of
3:08
trying
3:08
it
3:09
a
3:09
little
3:09
bit
3:09
and
3:09
then
3:10
metal
3:11
and
3:11
then
3:12
trying
3:12
a
3:12
little
3:12
bit
3:12
and
3:13
then
3:13
kind
3:13
of
3:13
you
3:13
had
3:14
grunge,
3:14
like
3:14
91,
3:15
92.
3:15
It
3:16
was
3:16
probably
3:16
around
3:16
like
3:16
93,
3:17
94
3:18
when
3:18
I
3:18
got
3:19
exposed
3:19
to
3:20
not
3:20
just
3:21
like
3:21
Offspring
3:21
and
3:21
Green
3:21
Day,
3:22
but
3:22
like
3:22
Bad
3:23
Religion
3:23
and
3:23
pretty
3:24
much
3:24
everything
3:24
on,
3:24
like,
3:25
Epitaph
3:25
and
3:25
like
3:26
Pennywise
3:26
and
3:27
then
3:27
Nofax
3:28
and
3:28
by
3:28
Nofex
3:29
and
3:29
everything
3:29
on,
3:29
like,
3:30
Fat
3:30
Records.
3:30
When
3:31
those
3:31
bands
3:31
came
3:31
to
3:32
town,
3:33
the
3:33
bands
3:33
that
3:33
they
3:33
brought
3:33
with
3:34
them
3:34
were
3:34
the
3:35
ones
3:35
that
3:35
was
3:35
like,
3:35
oh,
3:36
is
3:36
this
3:37
like,
3:37
they're
3:37
the
3:37
first
3:37
man
3:37
playing?
3:38
And
3:38
they
3:38
were
3:38
by
3:39
far
3:39
the
3:39
best
3:39
band
3:39
that
3:40
night.
3:40
And
3:40
so
3:40
bands
3:41
like
3:41
I
3:41
saw
3:42
and
3:42
then
3:42
like,
3:42
no
3:43
Use
3:43
for
3:43
a
3:43
Name
3:43
and
3:44
the
3:44
Riverdales
3:44
and
3:45
all
3:46
very,
3:46
very
3:46
early.
3:47
And
3:48
by
3:48
seeing
3:49
like,
3:49
these
3:49
big
3:49
shows
3:50
with
3:51
those
3:51
bands
3:51
opening
3:52
when
3:52
they
3:53
came
3:53
back
3:53
to
3:53
town
3:53
and
3:53
they
3:54
were
3:54
headlining
3:54
like
3:54
a
3:55
dive
3:55
bar,
3:55
that
3:56
was
3:56
kind
3:56
of
3:57
how
3:57
I
3:57
got
3:57
really
3:57
into
3:58
the
3:58
punk
3:58
scene
3:59
was
3:59
like,
3:59
oh,
3:59
man.
3:59
Me
4:00
and
4:00
50
4:00
of
4:00
my
4:01
closest
4:01
friends
4:01
get
4:01
to
4:01
like,
4:02
watch
4:02
this
4:03
incredible
4:03
band,
4:04
no
4:04
play
4:04
and
4:04
then
4:05
kind
4:05
of
4:05
hang
4:05
out
4:05
and
4:06
then
4:06
have
4:07
drinks
4:07
afterwards
4:07
or.
4:08
Or
4:08
my
4:08
case
4:09
water
4:09
because.
4:09
Because
4:10
I
4:10
was
4:10
like.
4:10
I
4:10
was
4:10
like
4:11
15,
4:11
16
4:11
at
4:12
this
4:12
time.
4:12
But
4:13
it
4:13
was
4:14
kind
4:14
of
4:14
education
4:15
into.
4:16
You
4:17
have
4:17
this
4:17
one
4:17
kind
4:18
of
4:18
kind
4:18
of
4:18
headliner.
4:19
And
4:19
then
4:19
every
4:20
band
4:20
that
4:20
they
4:20
brought
4:21
with
4:21
them
4:21
was
4:22
incredible.
4:22
Everyone.
4:23
So.
4:24
So,
4:24
yeah,
4:25
so
4:25
that's
4:25
kind
4:25
of
4:25
how
4:25
I.
4:26
It
4:26
just
4:26
kind
4:26
of
4:26
built
4:26
and
4:26
built
4:27
and
4:27
built.
4:27
And
4:27
at
4:27
the
4:28
time,
4:28
Epitaph
4:29
bands
4:29
had
4:29
a.
4:29
Had
4:30
a
4:30
sound.
4:30
Fat
4:31
Rec
4:31
bands
4:31
had
4:31
a
4:31
sound.
4:32
And
4:32
then
4:33
I
4:33
eventually
4:33
got
4:34
into
4:34
like,
4:34
Revelation
4:34
bands.
4:35
And
4:35
at
4:36
that
4:36
time
4:36
it
4:36
was
4:37
like,
4:37
like
4:37
Far
4:37
side
4:38
and
4:38
Texas
4:38
is
4:39
the
4:39
Reason
4:39
and
4:39
like
4:40
Sensefield
4:40
and.
4:41
And
4:41
Quicksand
4:42
and
4:42
that
4:42
sort
4:42
of
4:42
had.
4:43
Had
4:43
a
4:43
vibe.
4:44
So
4:45
just
4:45
the
4:45
record
4:46
label,
4:46
by
4:46
virtue
4:46
of
4:47
the
4:47
fact
4:47
of
4:47
it
4:47
being
4:47
on
4:48
a
4:48
record
4:48
label,
4:49
you
4:49
would
4:49
pick
4:49
up
4:49
the.
4:50
The
4:50
cassette
4:50
or
4:51
the
4:51
CD
4:51
not
4:51
knowing
4:52
the
4:52
band
4:52
at
4:52
all,
4:53
and
4:53
it
4:53
would
4:53
just
4:53
sort
4:53
of
4:54
kind
4:54
of
4:54
build
4:54
from
4:54
there.
4:54
So
4:55
it
4:55
was
4:55
a
4:55
great
4:55
time
4:56
for
4:56
me
4:56
personally,
4:57
because
4:57
it
4:57
was
4:57
very
4:58
pre
4:58
Internet,
4:58
so
4:59
you
4:59
had
4:59
to
4:59
kind
5:00
of
5:00
just
5:00
like,
5:00
oh,
5:01
Wishing
5:01
Well
5:02
Records.
5:02
Okay,
5:02
I'll
5:02
check
5:02
that
5:03
out.
5:03
Skiing.
5:03
That's
5:04
pretty
5:04
awesome.
5:04
I'll
5:04
check
5:04
that
5:05
out.
5:05
And
5:06
Discord,
5:06
obviously.
5:07
Well,
5:08
well.
5:08
And
5:08
like
5:09
you
5:09
said
5:09
at
5:09
the
5:09
time,
5:10
you
5:10
know,
5:10
a
5:11
lot
5:11
of
5:11
labels
5:12
had
5:12
a
5:12
sound.
5:13
So
5:13
pretty
5:14
much
5:14
if
5:14
you.
5:14
If
5:14
you
5:14
heard
5:15
one
5:15
band
5:15
on
5:15
label,
5:16
you
5:16
knew
5:16
you
5:16
Were
5:16
going
5:16
to
5:17
like,
5:17
you
5:17
know,
5:17
chances
5:18
are
5:18
you're
5:18
going
5:18
to
5:18
like
5:18
the
5:19
rest
5:19
of
5:19
them.
5:19
You
5:19
know,
5:19
you
5:19
mentioned
5:20
Epitaph
5:20
and
5:20
Fat
5:21
Rack,
5:21
but
5:21
also
5:21
like,
5:21
like
5:22
Victory
5:22
had
5:22
a
5:23
sound,
5:23
you
5:23
know,
5:24
I
5:24
think
5:24
off
5:25
the
5:25
top
5:25
of
5:25
my
5:25
head,
5:25
the
5:26
only
5:26
real
5:26
label
5:27
around
5:27
at
5:27
the
5:27
time
5:27
that
5:27
didn't
5:28
necessarily
5:29
have
5:29
a
5:29
sound,
5:30
and
5:30
you
5:30
can
5:30
disagree
5:31
with
5:31
me
5:31
if
5:31
you
5:31
want,
5:31
was
5:31
like
5:32
initial
5:32
records.
5:33
Yeah.
5:34
Like
5:34
they
5:34
had
5:35
Ink
5:35
and
5:35
Dagger,
5:36
the,
5:36
the
5:36
Vampire
5:37
band
5:37
from,
5:38
from
5:38
Philly.
5:39
But
5:39
then
5:39
they
5:39
also
5:40
had
5:41
like
5:41
Despair.
5:42
Right.
5:43
Just,
5:43
you
5:43
know,
5:43
both,
5:43
you
5:44
know,
5:44
still
5:44
like
5:45
quote
5:45
unquote,
5:45
hardcore
5:46
or
5:46
whatever,
5:46
but
5:47
very
5:47
different
5:47
sounds.
5:48
Agreed.
5:49
Sorry,
5:49
I,
5:50
I
5:50
interjected.
5:50
No,
5:51
no,
5:51
not
5:51
at
5:51
all.
5:52
Train
5:52
of
5:52
thought.
5:53
So
5:53
I
5:53
mean
5:53
to,
5:54
to
5:54
answer
5:54
your,
5:54
your
5:55
question
5:55
kind
5:55
of
5:55
long
5:55
windedly
5:56
how
5:56
I
5:56
went
5:56
from
5:56
kind
5:57
of
5:57
my
5:57
first
5:57
kind
5:58
of
5:58
punk
5:58
band
5:58
exposure,
5:59
which
5:59
was
5:59
the
5:59
Ramones,
6:00
and
6:00
then
6:00
kind
6:01
of
6:01
just
6:01
how
6:01
it
6:01
built
6:01
and
6:01
built
6:02
and
6:02
built
6:02
and
6:02
built
6:02
and
6:03
which
6:03
brings
6:03
us
6:04
here
6:04
to
6:04
this
6:04
day
6:05
because
6:05
I'm
6:05
still,
6:05
that,
6:05
I'm
6:06
still
6:06
that
6:06
guy
6:06
kind
6:07
of
6:07
seeing
6:07
those
6:07
bands
6:08
and
6:08
kind
6:08
of
6:08
watching
6:08
the
6:08
openers
6:09
and
6:10
I
6:10
still
6:10
see
6:10
like
6:11
bands
6:11
that
6:11
blow
6:11
me
6:11
away
6:12
and
6:13
they're
6:13
like
6:13
in
6:13
their
6:13
20s
6:14
and
6:14
you're
6:15
just
6:15
like
6:15
incredible.
6:16
So
6:17
it's
6:17
it.
6:17
So
6:17
anyone
6:18
listening,
6:18
get
6:19
there
6:19
early
6:19
and
6:20
watch
6:20
the
6:20
opening
6:20
band.
6:21
And
6:21
like
6:21
I
6:21
still,
6:22
still
6:22
going
6:22
to
6:23
shows.
6:23
I
6:23
find
6:24
so
6:24
many
6:24
amazing
6:26
people
6:27
by
6:27
watching
6:27
the
6:27
opening
6:28
band,
6:29
you
6:29
know,
6:29
like
6:29
you're
6:30
paying
6:30
for
6:30
the
6:30
whole
6:30
show.
6:30
Watch
6:31
the
6:31
whole
6:31
show.
6:32
Agreed.
6:32
A
6:32
couple
6:33
years
6:33
ago
6:33
I
6:33
went
6:33
to
6:33
see
6:34
Lucero
6:35
and
6:36
they
6:36
had
6:36
a
6:36
person
6:37
opening
6:37
for
6:37
them
6:38
who
6:38
I'd
6:38
never
6:38
heard
6:39
of
6:39
at
6:39
the
6:39
time.
6:41
And
6:42
she
6:42
was
6:42
this
6:43
sort
6:44
of
6:44
Americana
6:46
esque,
6:48
touching
6:48
on
6:49
outlaw
6:49
country
6:49
a
6:49
little
6:50
bit.
6:51
And
6:51
her
6:52
name
6:52
is
6:52
Jade
6:53
Jackson.
6:53
And
6:54
I'm
6:54
watching
6:54
her
6:55
and
6:55
I
6:55
was
6:56
like,
6:56
she
6:56
is
6:56
just
6:56
spectacular.
6:57
I
6:58
actually
6:58
liked
6:59
that
6:59
night.
7:00
I
7:00
liked
7:00
her
7:00
a
7:00
lot
7:00
more
7:00
than
7:01
I
7:01
liked
7:01
Lucero.
7:02
But
7:02
through
7:02
watching
7:03
her
7:03
like
7:03
her
7:04
like
7:04
guitarist,
7:05
I
7:05
was
7:05
like,
7:05
God,
7:05
that
7:06
guy
7:06
looks
7:06
really
7:06
familiar
7:07
but
7:07
I
7:07
can't
7:08
like
7:08
put
7:08
my
7:08
finger
7:09
on
7:09
it.
7:09
And
7:10
I
7:10
was
7:10
like,
7:10
God,
7:10
that
7:10
guy
7:11
looks
7:11
like,
7:12
looks
7:12
like
7:12
Mike,
7:12
like
7:13
a
7:13
young
7:13
Mike
7:14
Ness.
7:14
That
7:15
guy
7:15
looks
7:15
like
7:15
a
7:15
young
7:15
Mike
7:16
Ness.
7:17
And
7:17
I
7:17
was
7:17
watching
7:18
and
7:18
then
7:18
like,
7:18
you
7:18
know,
7:18
after
7:18
the
7:19
show,
7:19
went
7:19
up
7:19
and
7:19
talked
7:19
to
7:20
him.
7:20
It
7:20
was
7:20
Mike
7:21
Ness's
7:21
son.
7:21
Oh,
7:22
that's
7:22
awesome.
7:22
Yeah.
7:23
But
7:23
regardless,
7:24
not
7:24
taking
7:24
away
7:24
from
7:25
Jay
7:25
Jackson.
7:25
Jay
7:25
Jackson
7:26
is
7:26
spectacular
7:26
and
7:27
I
7:27
highly
7:27
recommend
7:27
checking
7:28
her
7:28
out,
7:28
but
7:28
I
7:28
would
7:29
have
7:29
never
7:29
found
7:29
her
7:29
if
7:29
I
7:30
wouldn't
7:30
have
7:30
done
7:30
this,
7:31
you
7:31
know.
7:32
But
7:32
also,
7:32
and
7:33
I
7:33
realize
7:33
that's
7:33
not
7:34
sort
7:34
of
7:34
punk
7:34
umbrella
7:34
type
7:35
stuff.
7:35
But
7:36
yeah,
7:36
so
7:37
many
7:37
bands
7:37
out
7:37
there
7:37
that
7:38
you
7:38
will
7:38
Never
7:39
learn
7:39
of
7:39
or
7:40
hear
7:40
if
7:41
you
7:41
don't
7:42
watch
7:42
all
7:43
of
7:43
the
7:43
bands.
7:44
Agreed.
7:44
So
7:45
at
7:45
what
7:45
point
7:45
in
7:45
time
7:46
do
7:46
you
7:47
remember,
7:47
at
7:47
what
7:47
point
7:47
in
7:48
time
7:48
you
7:48
went
7:48
from
7:49
like,
7:49
consuming
7:50
to
7:51
participating
7:52
and,
7:52
and
7:52
then
7:52
as,
7:53
as,
7:53
as
7:53
an
7:53
extra
7:54
side,
7:54
like,
7:54
from
7:55
consuming
7:55
to
7:56
participating
7:57
to
7:58
belonging.
7:59
So
7:59
by
8:00
participating,
8:00
do
8:00
you
8:00
mean
8:01
like
8:01
with
8:01
my
8:01
photography
8:02
stuff
8:02
or
8:02
just.
8:03
However
8:04
you
8:04
want
8:04
to
8:04
define
8:05
that
8:05
question
8:06
is
8:06
up
8:06
to
8:06
you.
8:07
So
8:08
the
8:08
belonging
8:09
part
8:09
was.
8:09
Was,
8:10
you
8:10
know,
8:11
in
8:11
participating
8:11
was
8:12
all
8:12
I
8:12
want
8:12
to
8:12
say,
8:12
like
8:13
94,
8:13
95,
8:14
when
8:14
I
8:14
was
8:14
kind
8:14
of
8:15
going
8:15
to
8:15
those
8:15
smaller
8:16
shows
8:16
and
8:17
kind
8:17
of
8:17
seeing
8:18
like,
8:18
what
8:18
would
8:19
end
8:19
up
8:19
being
8:19
huge
8:19
bands
8:20
now.
8:20
Like,
8:20
like,
8:20
I
8:20
remember
8:21
AFI
8:22
being
8:22
like
8:22
the
8:22
first
8:22
band
8:23
at
8:23
like
8:24
a
8:24
tiny,
8:24
like
8:25
100
8:25
cap
8:25
club.
8:26
But
8:26
they
8:27
were
8:27
playing,
8:27
I
8:27
think
8:27
with
8:27
like
8:28
good
8:28
riddance,
8:29
maybe
8:29
88
8:29
figures.
8:30
Louis.
8:30
Like,
8:30
like
8:31
the
8:31
lineup
8:31
would
8:32
be
8:32
stacked
8:32
now
8:32
and
8:33
they're
8:33
just
8:33
doing
8:33
like
8:34
a
8:34
tiny
8:34
tour,
8:35
but
8:35
going
8:36
to
8:36
like
8:36
mall
8:37
show
8:37
like
8:37
that.
8:38
And
8:38
then
8:38
knowing
8:39
everybody
8:39
in
8:39
the
8:39
crowd,
8:40
everybody
8:40
knows
8:41
your
8:41
name,
8:41
everybody
8:42
has
8:42
like
8:42
their
8:42
arms
8:42
around
8:43
each
8:43
other,
8:43
singing
8:43
the
8:44
songs
8:44
together
8:45
and
8:45
just
8:45
a
8:45
real
8:46
tight
8:46
sense
8:46
of
8:46
community.
8:47
And
8:47
then
8:47
just
8:47
kind
8:48
of,
8:48
like
8:48
I
8:48
said,
8:48
hanging
8:48
out
8:49
before,
8:49
after,
8:50
not
8:50
just
8:50
with
8:51
the
8:51
bands,
8:51
but
8:51
with
8:51
kind
8:52
of
8:52
each
8:52
other.
8:52
And
8:53
so
8:53
that
8:53
part
8:54
was.
8:55
Was
8:56
readily
8:57
apparent
8:57
in
8:57
that
8:57
scene.
8:58
I
8:58
was
8:58
very,
8:58
very
8:58
lucky
8:59
to
8:59
kind
8:59
of
8:59
be.
9:00
Kind
9:00
of
9:00
be
9:00
in
9:00
that
9:00
place
9:01
in
9:01
that
9:01
time.
9:01
And
9:02
then
9:02
in
9:02
participating,
9:03
I.
9:04
I
9:04
always
9:05
brought
9:05
like
9:05
a
9:06
point
9:06
and
9:06
shoot
9:06
to
9:07
shows.
9:07
Like
9:07
a
9:07
point
9:08
and
9:08
shoot
9:08
camera.
9:08
I
9:09
was
9:09
not
9:09
good.
9:09
That
9:10
was
9:10
not
9:10
good
9:10
at
9:10
all.
9:11
But
9:11
over
9:12
time,
9:13
band,
9:13
Bands.
9:13
Yeah.
9:14
So
9:14
you
9:14
were,
9:14
you
9:14
had
9:15
a
9:15
point
9:15
and
9:15
click.
9:16
Yes.
9:16
So
9:17
my,
9:17
My
9:17
point
9:17
and
9:17
shoot
9:17
camera,
9:18
I
9:18
was
9:18
quite
9:18
terrible.
9:19
But
9:19
bands
9:19
like
9:19
pictures,
9:20
especially
9:20
again,
9:21
pre
9:21
Internet.
9:22
So
9:22
like.
9:22
And
9:23
at
9:23
this
9:24
point
9:24
in
9:24
time,
9:24
it
9:24
was
9:25
also
9:25
on
9:25
film,
9:26
so
9:26
it
9:26
was
9:26
pre
9:26
digital.
9:27
But
9:27
with
9:28
every,
9:28
you
9:29
know,
9:29
few
9:30
dozen
9:30
photos
9:30
that
9:31
I
9:31
would
9:31
take
9:31
a
9:31
hand,
9:32
a
9:32
handful
9:32
would
9:32
come
9:32
out.
9:33
Okay.
9:33
And
9:34
bands
9:34
would
9:34
always
9:35
want
9:35
like,
9:35
just
9:35
copies.
9:36
And
9:36
so
9:36
I
9:36
was
9:36
like,
9:37
oh,
9:37
that's
9:37
kind
9:37
of
9:37
fun.
9:38
Really
9:38
didn't
9:38
think
9:38
anything
9:39
of
9:39
it.
9:39
But
9:39
as
9:40
kind
9:40
of
9:40
the
9:41
90s
9:41
kind
9:41
of
9:41
progressed
9:42
and
9:43
a
9:43
camera
9:43
got
9:44
a
9:44
little
9:44
bit
9:44
better,
9:45
et
9:46
cetera.
9:46
Like,
9:46
and
9:46
I'm
9:47
speaking
9:47
over
9:47
the
9:47
course
9:48
of
9:48
10
9:49
years
9:49
at
9:49
that
9:49
point,
9:49
10,
9:50
15
9:50
years,
9:51
as
9:51
my
9:52
equipment
9:52
got
9:52
better
9:53
and
9:53
the
9:53
lights
9:53
in
9:54
the
9:54
venue
9:54
got
9:54
better,
9:55
my
9:55
photos
9:55
got
9:56
much,
9:56
much
9:56
better.
9:57
And
9:57
that
9:57
was
9:58
kind
9:58
of
9:59
what
9:59
I
9:59
felt
9:59
like
10:00
was
10:00
my
10:00
contribution
10:01
to
10:01
the
10:01
scene.
10:02
I
10:02
was.
10:02
I
10:03
am
10:03
not
10:03
a
10:03
songwriter.
10:04
I
10:04
doodle
10:05
on
10:05
a
10:05
guitar.
10:05
Like,
10:06
I
10:06
love,
10:06
I
10:06
love
10:06
music.
10:07
Music
10:07
is
10:08
all
10:08
consuming
10:08
for
10:09
me,
10:09
but
10:09
I'm.
10:10
I.
10:10
My
10:10
contribution
10:11
is,
10:11
is
10:12
not
10:12
going
10:12
to
10:12
be
10:12
writing
10:13
songs
10:13
it's
10:14
going
10:14
to
10:14
be
10:14
taking
10:14
pictures
10:15
and,
10:15
and
10:16
you
10:16
know,
10:17
creating
10:17
art
10:17
that
10:18
way.
10:18
And
10:18
I've,
10:19
I've
10:19
been
10:19
relatively
10:20
successful
10:21
in
10:21
the
10:21
sense
10:21
that
10:22
people
10:22
seem
10:22
to
10:22
like
10:23
some
10:23
of
10:23
them,
10:23
so
10:23
that's
10:23
awesome.
10:24
So
10:24
I'm
10:24
stoked.
10:25
Nice.
10:25
Well,
10:25
yeah,
10:26
and
10:26
I
10:26
think
10:26
participation
10:27
is
10:27
different
10:28
for
10:28
everybody.
10:30
One
10:30
of
10:30
the
10:30
things
10:30
I
10:31
would
10:31
like
10:31
to
10:31
accomplish
10:31
with
10:32
this
10:32
podcast
10:32
is
10:33
that
10:33
because
10:33
most
10:34
zines
10:35
or
10:35
most
10:36
however
10:36
people
10:37
consume
10:37
interviews
10:38
these
10:38
days,
10:38
podcasts,
10:39
whatever,
10:40
you
10:40
know,
10:40
you're
10:40
dealing
10:41
with
10:42
bands,
10:43
right?
10:44
And
10:44
having
10:45
those
10:45
bands
10:46
being
10:47
the
10:47
driver
10:48
of
10:48
the
10:49
scene
10:49
and
10:50
yeah,
10:50
like,
10:50
obviously
10:51
the
10:51
music,
10:51
the
10:52
bands
10:52
are
10:52
important,
10:53
but
10:53
there's
10:54
so
10:54
many
10:54
other
10:54
ways
10:55
to
10:55
participate
10:56
and
10:57
contribute.
10:57
That's
10:58
not
10:58
making
10:58
music,
10:59
you
10:59
know,
11:00
so
11:01
whether
11:01
it
11:01
be
11:02
putting
11:02
shows
11:02
on,
11:03
taking
11:04
pictures,
11:05
giving
11:05
bands
11:06
a
11:06
place
11:06
to
11:06
sleep,
11:07
just
11:08
going
11:08
to
11:08
shows,
11:09
making
11:10
art,
11:11
doing
11:11
whatever,
11:11
like,
11:12
you
11:12
know,
11:12
we,
11:12
we
11:13
all
11:13
play
11:13
a
11:13
role
11:14
in
11:14
the
11:14
greater
11:15
quote
11:15
unquote
11:16
scene
11:16
and,
11:17
and
11:17
contributing
11:18
to
11:18
it
11:18
and
11:18
making
11:18
it
11:19
stronger.
11:19
Right.
11:21
And
11:21
that's
11:21
one
11:21
of
11:21
the
11:21
things
11:21
I'd
11:22
really
11:22
like
11:22
to
11:22
explore
11:23
with
11:23
this
11:23
is,
11:23
is
11:24
how
11:24
else
11:24
do
11:24
people
11:25
contribute
11:25
in
11:26
a
11:26
beneficial
11:26
way
11:27
that
11:28
are.
11:28
That's
11:28
often,
11:29
you
11:29
know,
11:29
over
11:30
overlooked
11:30
or
11:30
taken
11:31
for
11:31
granted.
11:33
I,
11:35
you
11:35
just
11:35
kind
11:35
of
11:35
jogged
11:36
my
11:36
memory
11:36
there.
11:36
I
11:36
did
11:36
a
11:37
zine
11:37
in
11:38
like
11:38
96,
11:39
97.
11:40
And
11:41
it
11:41
was
11:42
kind
11:42
of
11:42
cool
11:42
back
11:42
then
11:43
because
11:43
you
11:44
didn't
11:44
or
11:45
I
11:45
mean,
11:45
you
11:45
could
11:45
have
11:45
gone
11:45
through
11:46
a
11:46
publicist,
11:46
I
11:46
guess,
11:47
but
11:48
most
11:48
cases
11:48
you
11:48
just
11:49
went
11:49
to
11:49
a
11:49
show
11:50
and
11:50
got
11:50
there
11:50
a
11:50
little
11:50
bit
11:51
earlier.
11:52
And
11:52
in
11:53
my
11:53
one
11:53
issue,
11:54
because
11:54
that,
11:54
because
11:55
I
11:55
graduated
11:55
high
11:55
school
11:56
and,
11:56
and
11:56
moved
11:57
in
11:58
my
11:58
one
11:58
issue,
11:59
this
11:59
is
11:59
my
11:59
senior
11:59
year,
12:00
I
12:00
had
12:00
Bad
12:01
Religion
12:01
Strung
12:02
out
12:02
in
12:02
Voodoo
12:02
Glow
12:02
Skill
12:03
Set
12:03
in
12:03
my
12:03
zine.
12:04
And
12:04
it
12:04
was,
12:04
every
12:05
one
12:05
of
12:05
them
12:05
was
12:05
just,
12:06
hey,
12:06
can
12:06
I
12:06
interview
12:07
you
12:07
for
12:07
my
12:08
zine?
12:08
And
12:09
every
12:09
one
12:09
of
12:09
them,
12:09
you
12:10
know,
12:10
and
12:10
this
12:10
was
12:10
again,
12:11
like,
12:11
I
12:11
think
12:11
96.
12:12
They
12:12
were
12:12
all
12:12
like,
12:12
sure.
12:13
And
12:13
I
12:14
would
12:14
have
12:14
these,
12:14
you
12:15
know,
12:15
an
12:15
hour
12:16
long
12:16
conversation
12:17
with,
12:17
with
12:18
Greg
12:18
Graffin
12:18
in
12:19
like
12:19
a
12:19
back
12:19
room
12:20
somewhere
12:20
at
12:21
like
12:21
prior
12:21
to
12:21
a
12:21
show.
12:22
It
12:22
was
12:22
awesome.
12:23
They
12:23
were
12:24
super
12:24
accommodating.
12:25
So
12:25
to
12:25
your
12:25
point,
12:26
you
12:26
know,
12:27
a
12:27
great
12:27
way
12:27
to,
12:28
to
12:28
try
12:28
to,
12:28
you
12:29
know,
12:29
contribute
12:29
and
12:30
participate
12:30
in
12:30
a
12:30
scene
12:31
certainly
12:31
would
12:32
be
12:32
to
12:32
kind
12:32
of
12:32
amplify
12:33
some
12:33
of
12:33
these
12:34
kind
12:34
of
12:34
smaller
12:34
bands
12:35
and
12:35
kind
12:36
of
12:36
give
12:36
them
12:36
a
12:36
platform
12:37
because
12:37
right
12:37
now,
12:38
and
12:38
I
12:38
don't
12:38
know
12:38
if
12:38
you
12:38
agree
12:39
with,
12:39
with
12:40
the
12:40
Internet
12:40
and
12:40
with
12:41
kind
12:41
of
12:41
social
12:41
media,
12:42
it,
12:42
it's
12:43
almost
12:43
the
12:43
opposite
12:44
now.
12:44
It
12:44
is
12:45
so
12:45
chaotic
12:46
and
12:47
trying
12:47
to
12:47
kind
12:48
of
12:48
cut
12:48
through
12:48
that
12:48
noise
12:49
for
12:49
anybody
12:49
who's
12:50
creating
12:50
art
12:51
is,
12:52
I
12:52
imagine,
12:52
quite
12:52
difficult
12:53
now.
12:53
Yeah,
12:54
it
12:54
is
12:54
and
12:55
also
12:56
consumption
12:56
is
12:56
different
12:58
and
12:58
I'm
12:58
guilty
12:59
of
12:59
it.
12:59
You
12:59
know,
13:00
when
13:01
I
13:01
was
13:01
younger,
13:02
at
13:02
first,
13:02
getting
13:02
into
13:03
it,
13:03
I
13:04
loved
13:05
buying
13:05
an
13:06
album
13:06
and
13:06
holding
13:07
it
13:07
in
13:07
my
13:07
hand
13:08
and
13:08
I
13:08
would
13:09
go
13:09
to
13:10
whatever
13:10
my
13:10
home
13:10
was
13:11
at
13:11
the
13:11
time
13:12
and,
13:13
and
13:13
listen
13:14
to
13:14
it
13:14
and
13:14
just,
13:14
and,
13:15
and
13:15
listen
13:15
to
13:16
it
13:16
and
13:16
go
13:16
through
13:16
the
13:17
lyrics
13:17
and
13:17
go
13:17
through
13:17
the
13:18
liner
13:18
notes
13:18
and
13:18
just,
13:19
just
13:19
consume
13:20
it.
13:20
And
13:21
I
13:21
found
13:21
out,
13:22
like,
13:22
I
13:23
found
13:23
out
13:23
about
13:23
so
13:23
many
13:24
other
13:24
bands
13:24
that
13:24
way
13:25
and
13:26
zines
13:26
and
13:27
everything
13:27
just
13:27
through
13:28
that,
13:28
through
13:28
those
13:28
liner
13:29
notes
13:29
and
13:30
just
13:30
the
13:30
way,
13:31
you
13:31
know,
13:31
that
13:31
happened.
13:32
And
13:33
now
13:33
it's
13:34
that
13:35
consumption
13:35
is
13:36
very
13:36
different
13:36
with
13:36
streaming,
13:37
right?
13:37
And
13:38
since
13:38
that
13:38
conversation,
13:38
I've
13:39
been
13:39
trying
13:39
to
13:39
change
13:39
my
13:40
consumption
13:40
again
13:40
back
13:41
to
13:41
that,
13:42
like,
13:42
let's
13:42
listen
13:43
to
13:43
entire
13:43
albums
13:44
and
13:44
not
13:44
just
13:45
whatever
13:46
you
13:46
know
13:46
pops
13:47
up
13:47
next,
13:48
right?
13:48
To
13:48
be
13:49
more
13:49
purposeful
13:50
with,
13:51
with
13:51
the
13:51
consumption.
13:52
And
13:53
so
13:53
one
13:53
of
13:53
the
13:53
first
13:53
people
13:54
I
13:54
did
13:54
that
13:54
with
13:54
it,
13:55
I
13:55
mean,
13:55
it
13:55
was
13:55
just
13:55
this
13:56
weird
13:57
universal
13:58
thing
13:58
was
13:59
Kimia
13:59
Dawson.
14:00
Nice.
14:01
And,
14:01
and
14:02
I
14:02
became
14:02
familiar
14:03
with
14:03
Kim
14:03
Adasa,
14:04
as
14:04
I'm
14:04
sure
14:05
a
14:05
lot
14:05
of
14:05
people
14:05
did
14:06
through
14:06
Juno.
14:08
Juno
14:08
soundtrack.
14:09
And
14:09
so
14:09
I
14:10
liked
14:10
it.
14:10
Like,
14:10
I
14:10
was
14:11
like,
14:11
oh,
14:11
you
14:11
know,
14:11
this
14:11
is
14:11
cool,
14:12
you
14:12
know,
14:12
but
14:12
it's
14:13
all
14:13
this
14:13
sort
14:13
of
14:13
like
14:13
happy
14:14
sing
14:14
songy
14:15
stuff,
14:16
right?
14:17
Not
14:17
knocking
14:18
it
14:18
at
14:18
all.
14:18
I
14:18
liked
14:19
it,
14:19
but
14:19
I
14:20
just
14:20
assumed
14:20
all
14:20
of
14:20
her
14:21
stuff
14:21
was
14:21
like
14:21
that.
14:22
And
14:22
so
14:22
like
14:22
I
14:23
said,
14:23
a
14:23
couple
14:23
weeks
14:23
ago,
14:24
had
14:25
a
14:25
conversation
14:25
with
14:25
this
14:26
other
14:26
band,
14:26
decided
14:27
to
14:27
try
14:27
to
14:27
change
14:27
how
14:27
I'm
14:28
consuming
14:28
things.
14:29
And
14:30
one
14:30
of
14:30
my
14:30
social
14:30
media
14:31
feeds,
14:31
she
14:31
popped
14:32
up
14:32
and
14:32
had
14:33
just
14:33
made
14:33
a
14:33
shirt
14:33
and
14:34
it
14:34
said
14:34
it
14:35
was
14:35
sort
14:35
of
14:35
like
14:35
this
14:35
hand
14:35
drawn
14:36
shirt.
14:37
And
14:37
it
14:37
said
14:38
something
14:38
along
14:38
the
14:39
lines
14:39
like,
14:39
tear
14:39
this
14:39
racist,
14:40
racist,
14:41
fascist
14:41
system
14:41
down
14:42
or
14:42
something
14:42
like
14:42
that.
14:43
So
14:43
I
14:43
was
14:43
like,
14:43
hey,
14:43
you
14:43
know
14:44
what?
14:44
It's
14:44
time
14:45
for
14:45
me
14:45
to
14:45
do
14:45
a
14:45
deep
14:45
dive
14:46
into
14:46
Kimmy
14:46
Dawson.
14:47
And
14:48
holy
14:48
hell,
14:49
my
14:50
assumptions
14:51
of
14:51
her
14:51
were
14:52
so
14:52
wrong.
14:53
And
14:53
she,
14:53
like,
14:54
she
14:54
has
14:54
those,
14:54
those
14:55
happy
14:55
sing
14:55
songy
14:56
songs.
14:57
She
14:57
has
14:57
songs
14:57
about
14:58
like
14:58
farts
14:58
and
14:59
going
14:59
to
14:59
the
14:59
library
15:00
and
15:00
her
15:00
favorite
15:00
book's
15:01
a
15:01
library
15:01
and
15:02
peeing
15:02
her
15:02
pants
15:02
and
15:03
whatever.
15:04
But
15:04
she
15:04
also
15:04
has
15:05
these
15:05
really
15:06
deep,
15:07
emotional,
15:09
like,
15:10
killer,
15:11
just
15:11
amazing
15:12
songs
15:13
that
15:13
I
15:14
would
15:14
have
15:14
never
15:14
found
15:14
out
15:15
about
15:15
without,
15:16
like,
15:16
okay,
15:16
I'm
15:17
gonna
15:17
go
15:17
through
15:17
and
15:17
listen
15:18
to
15:18
an
15:18
entire
15:18
album,
15:19
like
15:19
album
15:20
by
15:20
album
15:20
and
15:21
just
15:21
explore
15:21
this
15:22
entire
15:22
thing
15:22
that
15:23
I
15:23
have
15:23
neglected.
15:24
And
15:24
I've
15:25
done
15:25
that
15:25
with
15:25
a
15:25
couple
15:25
other
15:25
bands
15:26
since
15:26
as
15:27
well.
15:27
And
15:27
through
15:27
doing
15:28
that
15:28
process,
15:28
I
15:29
have
15:29
found
15:29
that
15:29
I'm
15:30
enjoying
15:30
music
15:30
more.
15:31
That's
15:31
awesome.
15:31
Yeah.
15:32
Sorry,
15:32
I
15:32
just
15:32
totally
15:33
hijacked
15:33
your.
15:34
Your
15:34
thing
15:34
on
15:35
Tangent.
15:36
This
15:36
is
15:36
A
15:36
conversation.
15:37
I
15:37
love
15:37
it.
15:37
Yeah,
15:38
but,
15:38
yeah,
15:38
but
15:38
zines.
15:39
I,
15:39
I,
15:39
I
15:39
did
15:40
a
15:40
zine
15:40
as
15:41
well.
15:41
And
15:42
yeah,
15:42
you
15:43
know,
15:43
it's
15:43
time
15:43
you
15:43
just
15:43
like,
15:43
you
15:44
know,
15:44
wrote
15:44
a
15:44
band
15:44
or
15:44
saw
15:45
a
15:45
band
15:45
live,
15:45
like,
15:46
hey,
15:46
want
15:46
to
15:46
do
15:46
an
15:46
interview?
15:47
And
15:47
like,
15:47
yeah,
15:48
sure.
15:48
No,
15:49
but
15:49
most
15:49
bands
15:50
were
15:50
pretty
15:50
into
15:51
it.
15:51
And
15:51
then,
15:51
you
15:51
know,
15:51
for
15:52
me,
15:52
I
15:52
just
15:52
went
15:52
to
15:52
like
15:52
Kinko's
15:53
and,
15:53
and
15:54
I
15:54
knew
15:54
how
15:54
to,
15:55
how
15:55
to
15:55
jig
15:55
the,
15:56
the
15:56
copiers
15:56
at
15:57
Kinko,
15:57
so
15:57
it
15:57
wouldn't
15:57
charge
15:58
me
15:58
as
15:58
much,
15:59
you
15:59
know,
15:59
so
16:00
I'd
16:00
use
16:00
all
16:00
their
16:00
paper,
16:01
you
16:01
know,
16:01
double,
16:01
double
16:02
print
16:02
everything,
16:02
use
16:03
their
16:03
stapler,
16:03
put
16:03
it
16:04
all
16:04
together.
16:04
I'd
16:04
make,
16:04
you
16:04
know,
16:05
50
16:05
of
16:05
them
16:05
and
16:06
Yep.
16:06
Go
16:06
at
16:07
hand
16:07
about
16:07
at
16:07
shows.
16:08
Right.
16:08
I
16:08
have
16:08
no
16:09
idea
16:09
what
16:09
you're
16:09
talking
16:10
about.
16:10
I
16:10
would
16:10
never
16:10
do
16:11
that.
16:11
Yeah,
16:12
definitely
16:13
not
16:13
Kinko's
16:14
or
16:14
Office
16:14
Depot.
16:15
Yeah,
16:15
it
16:15
was
16:16
a
16:16
great
16:16
way
16:16
and
16:16
to
16:17
your
16:17
point,
16:17
kind
16:17
of
16:17
participate.
16:18
And
16:18
I
16:18
didn't
16:19
really
16:19
equate
16:19
that
16:20
initially
16:20
when
16:20
we
16:20
were
16:21
talking
16:21
about
16:21
that,
16:21
but
16:21
yeah,
16:21
no,
16:22
it
16:22
was
16:22
fun.
16:23
It
16:23
was
16:23
a
16:23
lot
16:24
of
16:24
work
16:24
that
16:24
was,
16:25
I
16:25
would
16:25
give
16:25
anything
16:26
for
16:26
somebody
16:26
to
16:27
transcribe
16:27
my
16:27
interviews.
16:28
That
16:28
was
16:28
the,
16:29
that
16:29
was
16:29
the
16:29
worst
16:29
part.
16:30
I,
16:30
it
16:30
was
16:30
tedious
16:31
and
16:31
awful,
16:32
but
16:32
it
16:32
was,
16:32
it
16:32
was
16:33
a
16:33
great
16:33
experience
16:33
and
16:34
it
16:34
definitely
16:34
fed
16:35
into
16:35
my
16:35
kind
16:36
of
16:36
photography
16:36
from
16:37
that,
16:37
from
16:37
that
16:37
perspective
16:38
of
16:38
just
16:38
not
16:39
really
16:39
being
16:39
afraid
16:39
to
16:39
ask.
16:40
Just
16:41
to
16:41
ask.
16:41
The
16:42
worst
16:42
thing
16:42
that
16:42
anyone
16:43
can
16:43
do
16:43
is
16:43
just
16:43
say
16:43
no.
16:44
Yeah,
16:44
most
16:44
people
16:45
are
16:45
fucking
16:45
cool.
16:46
And
16:46
they
16:46
recognize,
16:47
they
16:47
see
16:47
it
16:47
like,
16:48
especially
16:48
if,
16:48
you
16:49
know,
16:49
in
16:49
high
16:49
school
16:49
or
16:50
in
16:50
their,
16:50
like,
16:50
late
16:50
teens.
16:51
I
16:51
would
16:51
say
16:52
by
16:52
far
16:53
the
16:53
most
16:53
like,
16:53
common
16:54
question
16:54
I
16:54
get
16:54
is,
16:54
how
16:55
do
16:55
you
16:55
get
16:55
into
16:55
like
16:56
concert
16:56
photography?
16:57
And
16:57
my
16:57
answer
16:58
is
16:58
the
16:58
same
16:58
for
16:58
everyone
16:59
to
16:59
local
16:59
shows
17:00
and
17:00
bring
17:00
a
17:00
camera.
17:01
And
17:01
just
17:02
because
17:02
those
17:02
local
17:03
bands
17:04
love
17:04
having
17:04
their
17:05
picture
17:05
taken,
17:05
they
17:06
want
17:06
that
17:06
content.
17:07
You
17:07
can
17:07
get
17:07
better
17:08
and
17:08
kind
17:08
of
17:09
learn
17:09
what
17:09
works
17:09
and
17:09
what
17:09
doesn't
17:10
work.
17:10
So
17:11
kind
17:11
of
17:11
just
17:11
starting
17:12
off
17:12
in
17:12
the
17:12
beginning
17:12
and
17:12
just
17:13
kind
17:13
of
17:13
enjoying
17:14
it
17:14
and
17:14
then
17:14
eventually
17:15
you'll
17:16
kind
17:16
of
17:16
find
17:16
somebody
17:17
who
17:17
can
17:17
kind
17:17
of
17:17
help
17:17
you
17:17
and
17:18
answer
17:18
your
17:18
questions
17:19
and
17:19
then
17:19
you'll,
17:19
you
17:19
can
17:20
be
17:20
that
17:20
person,
17:20
you
17:21
know,
17:21
a
17:21
little
17:21
bit
17:21
further
17:22
down
17:22
the
17:22
line
17:22
for
17:22
somebody
17:23
else.
17:23
Yeah,
17:24
it
17:24
develops
17:25
like
17:26
a,
17:26
almost
17:26
like
17:26
a,
17:27
like
17:27
an
17:27
unintentional
17:28
mentorship
17:28
program.
17:29
Exactly.
17:30
You
17:30
know,
17:30
and
17:30
I've
17:30
def.
17:31
And
17:31
I've
17:31
definitely
17:31
had
17:32
people
17:32
do
17:32
that
17:32
for
17:32
me
17:32
early
17:33
on,
17:33
for
17:33
sure.
17:34
I
17:34
literally
17:35
did
17:35
not
17:35
know
17:35
what
17:35
aperture
17:35
and
17:36
F
17:36
stop
17:36
was
17:36
at
17:37
all.
17:37
I'm
17:37
sitting
17:37
there
17:38
showing
17:38
up
17:38
with
17:38
like
17:38
an
17:38
slr.
17:39
I'm
17:39
like,
17:40
what
17:40
does
17:40
this
17:40
button
17:40
do?
17:41
And
17:41
they
17:41
were
17:41
Infinitely
17:42
patient
17:42
with
17:43
me.
17:43
And
17:43
we're
17:43
just
17:44
like,
17:44
oh,
17:44
no,
17:44
it's,
17:45
you
17:45
know,
17:45
here.
17:45
It's
17:45
the
17:45
amount
17:46
of
17:46
light
17:46
that's,
17:46
like,
17:46
coming
17:46
in.
17:47
Speed
17:47
is
17:47
shutter.
17:48
So
17:48
rather
17:48
than
17:49
kind
17:49
of
17:49
like,
17:50
kind
17:50
of,
17:50
kind
17:51
of
17:51
doing
17:51
one
17:51
of
17:52
these,
17:52
what
17:52
are
17:52
you
17:52
doing?
17:53
They
17:53
were
17:53
incredibly
17:54
supportive
17:54
and
17:55
really,
17:55
really
17:55
good
17:55
people.
17:56
And
17:57
it
17:57
set
17:58
an
17:58
example,
17:58
obviously,
17:59
kind
17:59
of
17:59
moving
18:00
forward.
18:00
You're
18:01
like,
18:01
when
18:02
somebody
18:02
comes
18:02
up
18:02
to
18:02
you
18:03
and
18:03
asks
18:03
you
18:03
those
18:04
questions,
18:04
you
18:04
want
18:04
to
18:04
be
18:04
that
18:05
person
18:05
for
18:05
them.
18:05
You
18:06
want
18:06
to
18:06
be
18:06
that
18:06
positive
18:07
influence
18:07
and
18:08
create
18:08
art
18:08
moving
18:09
forward
18:09
so
18:09
that
18:10
they
18:10
can
18:10
do
18:10
the
18:10
same.
18:11
Yeah,
18:11
definitely.
18:12
And
18:12
I
18:12
think
18:12
that
18:13
mentorship
18:14
piece
18:14
is
18:15
huge.
18:15
You're
18:15
not
18:15
just
18:15
with.
18:16
Well,
18:17
I
18:17
mean,
18:17
with
18:17
any
18:18
kind
18:18
of
18:18
art,
18:19
right?
18:20
And.
18:20
And
18:20
I
18:21
think
18:21
within.
18:21
Within
18:22
punk,
18:23
it's.
18:24
For
18:24
me,
18:25
and
18:25
just
18:25
from
18:26
my
18:26
experiences,
18:27
it's
18:27
a
18:28
really
18:29
special
18:29
thing
18:31
because.
18:31
And,
18:32
you
18:32
know,
18:32
there
18:32
are
18:32
assholes
18:33
everywhere.
18:34
They're
18:34
assholes
18:34
in
18:35
every
18:35
scene.
18:35
Oh,
18:35
for
18:36
sure.
18:36
I
18:36
just.
18:36
I
18:36
just
18:37
choose
18:37
to
18:37
focus
18:37
on
18:37
the
18:38
more
18:38
positive
18:38
pieces
18:38
of
18:39
it,
18:39
you
18:39
know,
18:39
But.
18:39
But
18:40
it's
18:40
like,
18:40
whatever.
18:41
Within
18:41
the
18:42
punk
18:42
scene,
18:42
you
18:42
know,
18:42
whatever
18:43
you
18:43
want
18:43
to
18:43
create,
18:43
like,
18:44
there's
18:44
going
18:44
to
18:44
be
18:44
somebody
18:45
out
18:45
there,
18:46
like,
18:46
cheering
18:46
you
18:46
on,
18:47
you
18:47
know,
18:47
or
18:47
encouraging
18:48
you
18:48
to
18:48
do
18:49
it,
18:49
or,
18:49
you
18:50
know,
18:50
if
18:50
you
18:50
ask
18:50
for
18:50
help
18:50
or
18:51
pointers,
18:51
there's
18:51
going
18:52
to
18:52
be
18:52
somebody,
18:53
you
18:53
know,
18:53
to
18:53
do
18:54
that.
18:55
I
18:55
was
18:55
talking
18:55
to
18:55
a
18:56
couple
18:56
kids
18:57
at
18:57
a
18:57
show
18:58
a
18:58
couple
18:58
months
18:58
back,
18:59
and
18:59
I
18:59
was
18:59
like,
19:00
hey,
19:00
when
19:00
are
19:00
you
19:00
all
19:00
going
19:00
to
19:00
play?
19:01
Like,
19:01
you're
19:01
at
19:01
every
19:01
show.
19:02
What
19:02
are
19:02
you
19:03
going
19:03
to
19:04
play?
19:04
And
19:05
they
19:05
all
19:05
said,
19:06
we
19:06
don't
19:06
play
19:06
the
19:06
instruments.
19:07
We
19:07
can't
19:07
do
19:07
that.
19:08
How
19:08
do
19:08
you
19:08
think
19:08
all
19:09
these
19:09
people
19:09
started?
19:10
Nobody
19:11
knew
19:11
how
19:11
to
19:11
play
19:11
an
19:11
instrument.
19:12
Nobody
19:13
knew
19:13
how
19:13
to
19:13
write
19:13
a
19:13
song.
19:14
Nobody
19:14
knew
19:14
how
19:14
to
19:15
do
19:15
anything.
19:15
You
19:15
just
19:15
have
19:15
to
19:16
get
19:16
up
19:16
there,
19:17
and
19:17
it's
19:17
punk
19:18
rock,
19:18
so
19:18
who
19:18
cares?
19:19
We're
19:19
not
19:19
expecting,
19:21
you
19:21
know,
19:21
some
19:22
great
19:23
composition,
19:24
you
19:24
know,
19:24
we're
19:24
not
19:24
expecting
19:25
some.
19:26
This
19:26
great
19:27
metal
19:27
masterpiece
19:28
to
19:28
come
19:28
out.
19:29
Like,
19:29
just
19:29
get
19:29
up
19:30
there
19:30
and
19:31
play
19:31
your
19:31
heart,
19:33
and
19:33
it
19:33
will
19:33
be
19:33
good
19:33
because
19:34
it's
19:34
honest
19:35
and.
19:36
And
19:36
it's
19:36
your
19:37
heart.
19:37
And
19:37
so
19:38
whether
19:38
that's
19:38
music
19:38
or
19:39
art
19:39
or
19:40
whatever,
19:40
it's
19:41
like
19:41
just.
19:41
Just
19:41
do
19:42
it.
19:42
Just
19:42
create.
19:43
Couldn't
19:43
agree
19:43
more.
19:44
Absolutely.
19:44
And
19:45
so.
19:46
So
19:46
with
19:47
that
19:48
sort
19:48
of
19:48
taking.
19:49
Taking
19:49
our
19:49
next
19:50
little,
19:50
little
19:50
step,
19:51
if
19:51
you
19:51
don't
19:52
mind,
19:53
what
19:54
struggles
19:55
have
19:55
you
19:55
had
19:57
and
19:57
how
19:58
did
19:58
sort
19:58
of
19:58
belonging
19:59
to
19:59
the
19:59
scene
20:00
either
20:00
help
20:01
or
20:01
hinder
20:02
your
20:02
advancement
20:03
through
20:03
that
20:04
struggle?
20:04
So
20:05
I'm
20:05
in
20:06
the
20:06
LGBT
20:06
community,
20:07
as
20:07
you
20:07
know,
20:07
and
20:08
so
20:08
in
20:08
the
20:08
90s,
20:09
it
20:09
was
20:10
still
20:10
very
20:11
kind
20:11
of
20:11
you,
20:12
still
20:12
had
20:12
like
20:12
kind
20:12
of
20:12
the
20:12
AIDS
20:13
epidemic
20:13
and
20:14
everything.
20:14
I
20:14
mean
20:14
you
20:14
still
20:15
do
20:15
now,
20:15
but
20:16
very.
20:16
Still
20:17
highly
20:17
stigmatized.
20:18
And
20:18
so
20:19
it
20:19
was
20:20
still
20:20
a
20:21
pretty
20:21
fearful
20:21
time
20:22
to
20:23
be
20:23
gay.
20:23
And
20:23
I
20:23
was
20:23
still
20:24
trying
20:24
to
20:24
figure
20:25
out
20:25
my
20:25
stuff
20:26
completely.
20:26
Like
20:27
I
20:27
was,
20:27
I
20:27
was
20:27
definitely
20:28
still
20:28
closeted,
20:29
honestly
20:30
even
20:30
to
20:30
myself
20:31
in
20:31
like
20:32
93,
20:32
94,
20:33
still
20:34
kind
20:34
of
20:34
figuring
20:34
out
20:35
kind
20:35
of
20:35
my
20:36
personal
20:36
journey.
20:37
And
20:37
was
20:38
those,
20:39
those
20:39
paths
20:40
in
20:40
sort
20:40
of
20:41
the
20:41
punk
20:41
rock
20:41
scene
20:42
and,
20:42
and
20:42
kind
20:42
of
20:43
self
20:43
discovery
20:44
kind
20:44
of
20:44
ran,
20:44
kind
20:45
of
20:45
ran
20:45
parallel.
20:45
They
20:46
were.
20:46
They
20:46
were
20:46
happening
20:47
simultaneously.
20:48
And
20:48
what
20:49
I
20:49
think
20:49
the,
20:49
the
20:50
punk
20:50
rock
20:50
scene
20:50
there
20:51
enabled
20:51
me
20:52
to
20:52
do
20:52
was
20:53
high.
20:53
Like
20:53
high
20:54
school
20:54
is
20:54
horrible.
20:55
Like
20:55
horrible
20:56
when
20:56
it
20:56
comes
20:56
to
20:57
that
20:57
kind
20:57
of
20:57
stuff.
20:58
Everything
20:58
is
20:58
horrible
20:59
when
20:59
it
20:59
comes
20:59
to
20:59
everything.
21:00
So
21:01
having
21:02
that
21:02
kind
21:02
of
21:02
punk
21:02
rock
21:03
scene
21:03
and
21:04
finding
21:04
like
21:05
kindness
21:06
and,
21:07
and
21:08
acceptance,
21:08
not
21:08
in
21:09
the
21:09
sense
21:09
that
21:09
like,
21:10
oh,
21:10
you're
21:10
gay,
21:10
you're
21:10
cool.
21:11
It
21:11
was
21:11
more
21:11
just
21:12
like
21:13
a
21:13
community
21:13
where
21:14
I
21:15
didn't
21:15
feel
21:15
kind
21:16
of
21:16
judged
21:16
or
21:17
kind
21:18
of
21:18
uttered.
21:18
It
21:19
was
21:19
more
21:19
just
21:19
like
21:20
you
21:20
belonged
21:21
and,
21:21
and
21:22
finding
21:22
that
21:23
was
21:24
invaluable
21:25
at
21:25
that
21:25
time
21:26
because
21:26
you,
21:26
you
21:26
feel.
21:27
Or.
21:27
I
21:27
felt
21:28
so
21:28
unsure
21:29
of
21:29
myself
21:29
and
21:30
so
21:31
not
21:31
belonging.
21:32
Like
21:32
in
21:32
high
21:32
school
21:33
I,
21:33
I
21:34
was
21:34
both
21:34
simultaneously
21:35
kind
21:36
of
21:36
like
21:36
a
21:36
music
21:36
misfit,
21:37
kind
21:37
of
21:37
like
21:38
go
21:38
to
21:38
record
21:38
stores
21:39
and
21:39
that
21:39
kind
21:39
of
21:39
stuff,
21:40
while
21:40
also
21:40
in
21:41
like
21:41
the
21:42
theater
21:42
scene.
21:43
So
21:43
I
21:43
was,
21:43
I
21:44
was,
21:44
you
21:44
know,
21:44
acting
21:45
and
21:45
doing
21:45
like
21:45
improv
21:46
and
21:46
that
21:46
kind
21:46
of
21:47
stuff.
21:47
And
21:48
then
21:48
also
21:49
was
21:49
on
21:49
the
21:49
wrestling
21:50
team.
21:51
So
21:51
I
21:51
was
21:52
a
21:52
member
21:52
of
21:52
all
21:52
three
21:53
and
21:53
felt
21:54
only.
21:54
I
21:55
only
21:55
felt
21:55
like
21:55
I
21:55
really
21:55
kind
21:56
of
21:56
belonged
21:56
in
21:56
like
21:57
kind
21:57
of
21:57
the
21:57
music
21:57
part.
21:58
And
21:58
so
21:59
that
22:00
helped
22:00
me
22:00
a
22:00
great
22:00
deal
22:01
because
22:01
the,
22:02
the
22:02
other
22:02
ones,
22:03
it
22:03
was
22:03
just
22:03
like,
22:03
oh
22:03
man,
22:03
I
22:04
do
22:04
not
22:04
feel
22:04
like
22:05
I
22:05
belong
22:06
really
22:07
at
22:07
all.
22:09
So.
22:10
But
22:10
it
22:10
was,
22:10
it
22:11
was
22:11
over
22:12
time
22:12
when
22:13
I
22:13
kind
22:13
of
22:13
became
22:13
more
22:13
sure
22:14
of
22:14
myself
22:14
and,
22:14
and
22:15
more
22:15
confident.
22:16
I
22:16
always
22:16
had
22:16
kind
22:17
of
22:17
my
22:17
kind
22:18
of
22:18
my
22:18
music.
22:18
People
22:19
who
22:19
are
22:19
still
22:20
my
22:20
closest
22:21
friends
22:21
to
22:21
this
22:21
day
22:22
are
22:22
all
22:22
people
22:22
that,
22:23
that
22:23
I
22:23
met
22:23
through
22:23
kind
22:24
of
22:24
music.
22:25
And,
22:25
and,
22:26
and
22:26
so
22:27
those
22:27
bonds
22:28
have
22:28
just
22:28
kind
22:28
of
22:28
kind
22:28
of
22:29
become
22:29
stronger
22:29
over
22:29
the
22:30
years.
22:30
But
22:30
in
22:30
the
22:30
90s
22:30
when
22:31
I
22:31
was
22:31
just
22:31
so
22:31
unsure
22:32
of
22:32
everything,
22:32
it
22:33
was,
22:33
was
22:33
kind
22:34
of
22:34
like
22:34
kind
22:34
of
22:34
that.
22:34
That.
22:35
That
22:35
stable
22:36
base
22:36
that
22:36
I
22:36
needed
22:37
to
22:37
kind
22:37
of
22:37
be
22:37
able
22:37
to
22:38
find
22:38
myself.
22:38
Yeah.
22:39
And,
22:39
and
22:40
I
22:40
am
22:40
not
22:41
part
22:41
of
22:41
that
22:41
community,
22:42
but
22:42
from
22:43
like.
22:43
And
22:44
obviously
22:44
I
22:44
was
22:44
part
22:45
of
22:45
a
22:45
different
22:46
scene,
22:47
like
22:47
a
22:47
different
22:47
physical
22:48
scene
22:48
than
22:48
you
22:48
were
22:49
because
22:49
I
22:49
was
22:49
in
22:49
a
22:49
different
22:49
part
22:49
of
22:50
the
22:50
country.
22:50
Like,
22:51
I
22:51
don't
22:51
think
22:52
even
22:52
then,
22:52
like
22:53
it
22:53
wasn't
22:55
as
22:55
accepted
22:56
even
22:56
within
22:56
the
22:56
punk
22:57
scene.
22:57
Then
22:57
as.
22:58
As
22:58
it
22:58
has
22:58
become,
23:00
it's
23:00
like.
23:00
I
23:00
remember
23:01
the
23:01
first
23:01
time
23:04
I
23:04
really
23:04
heard
23:05
anybody.
23:07
Sorry,
23:08
my
23:08
dog.
23:10
Look.
23:11
Oh,
23:11
puppy.
23:12
That's
23:12
Athena.
23:13
And
23:13
then
23:13
Fred.
23:13
Hello.
23:14
Also
23:14
around
23:14
somewhere
23:15
was
23:16
at
23:16
the
23:16
time
23:17
the
23:17
singer
23:18
for
23:18
Boy
23:18
says
23:18
Fire.
23:19
Watching
23:19
them
23:20
and,
23:20
you
23:20
know,
23:20
with
23:21
a
23:21
bunch
23:21
of
23:21
my
23:21
buddies.
23:21
And
23:22
I
23:22
forget
23:23
what
23:23
at
23:23
the
23:23
time
23:24
he
23:24
said,
23:25
but
23:25
we
23:25
also
23:25
looked
23:26
into
23:26
each
23:26
other.
23:26
Like,
23:27
did
23:27
he
23:27
just,
23:27
like,
23:28
come
23:28
out?
23:28
Like,
23:29
did
23:29
he
23:29
just,
23:29
like.
23:30
And,
23:30
you
23:31
know,
23:31
and
23:31
we're
23:32
like,
23:32
that,
23:32
you
23:32
know,
23:32
that's
23:33
sort
23:33
of
23:33
cool.
23:33
Like,
23:33
that
23:33
takes
23:34
some.
23:34
You
23:34
know,
23:34
that
23:35
takes
23:35
some
23:35
gumption.
23:36
And
23:37
now
23:37
it's
23:38
Natasha
23:39
and
23:40
she
23:40
sings
23:40
for
23:41
Nine
23:41
Roses.
23:41
But
23:42
even
23:42
at
23:42
the
23:42
time,
23:42
we
23:43
were.
23:43
We
23:43
were
23:43
all
23:43
very
23:44
sort
23:45
of
23:45
impressed.
23:45
We
23:46
went
23:46
up
23:46
to
23:46
her
23:47
and
23:47
talked
23:47
to
23:47
her
23:47
at
23:47
the
23:48
time
23:48
afterwards
23:49
and
23:49
just
23:50
had
23:50
a
23:50
conversation
23:50
about
23:51
that.
23:51
And
23:51
that
23:52
was
23:52
95,
23:53
96.
23:54
But.
23:55
And
23:55
then.
23:55
And
23:56
I
23:56
hope
23:56
this
23:57
isn't
23:57
like
23:57
street
23:57
splaining,
23:58
because
23:59
I'm
23:59
just
23:59
trying
24:00
to
24:00
give
24:00
you
24:00
sort
24:00
of
24:00
from
24:00
my
24:01
straight
24:01
perspective
24:02
and
24:02
because,
24:03
of
24:03
course,
24:03
I'm
24:03
more
24:03
aware
24:04
of
24:04
it
24:04
in
24:04
the
24:04
scene,
24:04
so.
24:05
But
24:05
like,
24:05
the
24:06
next
24:06
real
24:06
big
24:07
jump
24:07
that
24:08
I
24:08
remember
24:09
again,
24:09
being
24:09
a
24:09
straight
24:10
person
24:10
was
24:11
Martin
24:11
from
24:12
Los
24:12
Crudos
24:12
came
24:13
out
24:13
with
24:13
Limp
24:14
Wrist.
24:15
And
24:15
then
24:15
sort
24:16
of
24:16
becoming
24:16
aware
24:16
of
24:17
all
24:17
these
24:17
other,
24:18
like,
24:18
bands.
24:19
I
24:19
was
24:19
like,
24:19
holy
24:19
smokes,
24:20
this
24:20
is
24:21
awesome.
24:22
And
24:22
being
24:22
all
24:23
my
24:23
friends
24:23
sort
24:23
of
24:23
being
24:24
really
24:24
pumped.
24:24
And
24:25
at
24:25
the
24:25
time,
24:25
you
24:25
know,
24:25
some
24:25
of
24:25
those
24:26
friends
24:26
were
24:26
closeted.
24:27
And
24:27
seeing
24:27
these
24:28
bands
24:28
being
24:29
more
24:29
out
24:29
with
24:29
it
24:30
sort
24:30
of
24:30
helped
24:30
them
24:31
with
24:31
their
24:32
journey
24:32
as
24:32
well.
24:36
And
24:37
now.
24:37
And
24:37
now
24:37
it
24:38
seems
24:38
very
24:38
much
24:38
like,
24:41
come
24:41
as
24:41
you
24:41
are.
24:41
And
24:41
of
24:42
course,
24:42
there's
24:42
still
24:42
the.
24:42
There's
24:43
still
24:43
the.
24:43
Right?
24:44
There's
24:44
still
24:44
the.
24:45
The.
24:45
The
24:46
slurs
24:46
slung
24:47
around,
24:47
you
24:47
know,
24:47
But.
24:48
But
24:48
there's
24:48
also
24:49
a
24:49
lot
24:49
more
24:49
people,
24:49
I
24:49
believe
24:50
now,
24:50
like,
24:51
standing
24:51
up
24:51
saying,
24:51
hey,
24:52
like,
24:52
that's
24:52
not
24:53
cool.
24:53
Like,
24:54
check
24:54
yourself.
24:54
Everybody's
24:55
welcome.
24:55
And
24:55
punk's
24:56
always
24:56
been
24:56
about,
24:57
like,
24:57
everybody
24:57
welcoming.
24:58
And
24:58
sometimes
24:59
just
24:59
the
24:59
journey
25:00
of
25:00
our
25:00
understanding
25:00
has
25:01
taken
25:01
longer
25:01
than
25:01
it.
25:02
Than
25:02
it
25:02
should
25:02
have
25:03
agreed.
25:03
And
25:04
I.
25:04
Please
25:04
correct
25:05
me
25:05
and
25:05
confront
25:06
me
25:06
on
25:06
everything
25:06
I
25:07
got
25:07
wrong.
25:07
And
25:08
in
25:08
that.
25:08
Well,
25:08
no,
25:08
I
25:09
don't
25:09
think
25:09
any
25:09
of
25:09
it's
25:09
wrong
25:09
because
25:10
it
25:10
was
25:10
your
25:10
experience.
25:10
It
25:10
was
25:10
your.
25:11
Your
25:11
experience
25:12
for
25:12
sure.
25:12
I
25:12
think
25:13
for
25:13
me,
25:13
like,
25:13
Panty
25:14
Division
25:14
was.
25:14
Was
25:15
that
25:15
first
25:15
one
25:15
for.
25:16
I
25:16
think,
25:16
if.
25:16
If
25:17
memory
25:17
serves,
25:18
I
25:18
think
25:18
Green
25:18
Day,
25:19
like,
25:19
I'm
25:20
not
25:20
their.
25:20
Not
25:20
their
25:20
height
25:21
because
25:21
they're
25:21
literally
25:21
playing
25:22
stadiums
25:22
now.
25:22
But
25:22
like,
25:23
when
25:23
they
25:23
were
25:24
like,
25:24
dookie
25:24
or
25:25
like.
25:25
Or
25:26
at
25:26
the
25:26
height
25:26
of
25:26
dookie,
25:27
they
25:27
brought
25:27
Panty
25:28
Division
25:28
out
25:28
to
25:28
open
25:28
for
25:29
them.
25:29
And
25:30
so
25:30
A
25:30
lot
25:30
of
25:30
people
25:31
got
25:31
exposed
25:32
because
25:32
of
25:32
that.
25:33
And
25:33
so.
25:33
But
25:34
to
25:34
your
25:34
point,
25:34
I
25:35
agree
25:35
100%
25:35
now
25:36
it's,
25:36
it's,
25:36
it
25:36
very
25:36
much
25:37
is
25:37
come
25:37
as
25:37
you
25:38
are.
25:38
And
25:38
I
25:38
find
25:39
that
25:39
a
25:40
lot
25:40
of
25:40
like,
25:40
kind
25:40
of
25:40
the
25:40
pushback
25:41
that,
25:41
that
25:42
maybe
25:42
you
25:42
and
25:42
I
25:43
both
25:43
saw
25:43
in
25:43
the
25:43
90s
25:44
when
25:44
it
25:44
comes
25:45
to
25:45
kind
25:46
of
25:46
gay
25:46
and
25:46
lesbian,
25:47
like
25:47
musicians
25:48
or
25:48
just
25:48
anybody
25:49
is
25:49
now
25:49
kind
25:49
of
25:50
reserved
25:50
for
25:50
the
25:51
trans
25:51
community.
25:51
And
25:52
I
25:52
think
25:52
that's
25:53
one
25:53
of
25:53
the
25:53
reasons
25:54
why
25:54
it's
25:54
so
25:54
important
25:54
to
25:55
just
25:55
support
25:55
each
25:56
other
25:56
on
25:56
whatever
25:57
their
25:57
personal
25:57
journey
25:58
is,
25:58
because
25:58
it's
25:58
so
25:59
individual
25:59
for
25:59
everyone.
26:00
And
26:01
so,
26:01
I
26:01
mean,
26:02
I
26:02
think,
26:02
to
26:02
put
26:02
it
26:03
just
26:03
simply,
26:03
just
26:03
don't
26:04
be
26:04
a
26:04
dick.
26:04
Don't
26:05
be
26:05
a
26:05
dick.
26:05
Yeah.
26:05
And
26:06
support
26:06
each
26:06
other.
26:06
And.
26:07
And
26:07
I
26:07
realized,
26:08
like,
26:08
in
26:08
sort
26:09
of
26:09
my
26:09
description
26:09
of
26:09
my
26:10
journey,
26:10
I
26:10
totally
26:10
glanced
26:11
over
26:11
the
26:11
whole
26:12
like,
26:12
riot
26:12
girl
26:13
movement
26:13
and,
26:13
and
26:13
the
26:14
band
26:14
started
26:14
with
26:14
that.
26:15
And,
26:15
and
26:16
just
26:16
at
26:17
that
26:17
time
26:17
in
26:17
my
26:17
life,
26:18
I
26:18
wasn't
26:19
as
26:19
in
26:20
tune
26:20
with
26:20
that
26:20
movement
26:21
as
26:21
I
26:22
became.
26:22
Like,
26:22
you
26:23
know,
26:23
I
26:23
knew
26:23
of
26:23
like
26:23
Bikini
26:24
Kill
26:24
and,
26:24
and
26:24
you
26:25
know,
26:25
a
26:25
couple
26:25
others,
26:25
but
26:26
like,
26:26
at
26:27
that
26:27
time
26:27
in
26:27
my
26:27
life,
26:27
I
26:28
wasn't
26:28
listening
26:28
to
26:28
that
26:29
stuff
26:29
as
26:29
much.
26:30
So,
26:30
so
26:30
that
26:31
that
26:31
realization
26:32
came
26:32
later.
26:32
And
26:32
I
26:32
wasn't
26:33
like,
26:33
I
26:34
wasn't
26:34
just
26:34
like
26:34
glancing
26:34
over
26:35
that
26:35
and
26:35
pretending
26:35
it
26:35
didn't
26:35
exist.
26:36
It
26:36
would
26:36
very
26:36
much
26:37
exist.
26:37
It
26:38
very
26:38
much
26:38
was
26:38
and
26:39
is
26:39
a
26:39
powerful
26:39
platform
26:40
for
26:40
people.
26:41
I
26:41
just
26:41
wasn't
26:41
as
26:42
in
26:42
tune
26:42
with
26:42
it
26:42
at
26:43
that
26:43
time.
26:43
So
26:44
I
26:44
just
26:44
want
26:44
to
26:45
make
26:45
sure
26:45
I'm
26:45
not
26:47
completely
26:47
negating
26:48
that
26:48
entire
26:49
thing.
26:52
Yeah.
26:53
And,
26:53
and
26:54
so
26:56
when
26:56
I
26:56
first
26:57
moved
26:57
to
26:57
where
26:57
I
26:58
live
26:58
now,
26:59
you
26:59
know,
26:59
I
26:59
got
26:59
involved
27:00
in
27:00
the,
27:00
in
27:00
the
27:00
punk
27:01
scene
27:01
pretty
27:02
quick.
27:03
And,
27:04
and,
27:04
and
27:05
like,
27:05
everything
27:05
was
27:05
21
27:06
plus.
27:07
It
27:07
was
27:07
very
27:07
small.
27:08
And
27:08
I
27:08
kept,
27:08
I,
27:09
you
27:09
know,
27:09
I
27:09
kept
27:09
asking
27:09
like,
27:10
hey,
27:10
where,
27:10
like,
27:10
where
27:10
are
27:11
the
27:11
all
27:11
ages
27:11
shows?
27:12
Pardon
27:12
me?
27:13
And
27:13
like,
27:13
oh,
27:14
there
27:14
are
27:14
no
27:14
all
27:14
ages
27:15
shows.
27:15
And
27:15
like,
27:15
there
27:16
has
27:16
to
27:16
be
27:16
all
27:16
ages
27:17
shows.
27:17
And
27:18
everybody,
27:18
you
27:18
know,
27:18
that
27:19
I
27:19
knew
27:20
was
27:20
just
27:20
like,
27:20
nope,
27:21
no
27:21
all
27:21
ages
27:21
shows.
27:21
All
27:22
ages
27:22
shows
27:22
don't
27:22
happen.
27:22
There's
27:23
no
27:23
all
27:23
ages
27:23
venues.
27:24
There's
27:24
just
27:25
doesn't
27:25
happen.
27:26
And
27:26
so
27:26
I
27:26
had
27:26
a
27:26
real
27:27
hard
27:27
time.
27:29
And
27:29
it's
27:30
also
27:32
the,
27:33
and
27:33
when
27:33
I
27:34
say
27:34
punk
27:34
scene,
27:34
I
27:35
mean
27:35
like
27:35
the,
27:36
the
27:36
punk
27:37
scene,
27:37
not
27:38
the
27:38
greater
27:38
scene
27:38
in
27:39
general.
27:42
And
27:42
so
27:42
I
27:42
had
27:43
a
27:43
very
27:43
hard
27:43
time
27:43
sort
27:44
of
27:44
connecting
27:44
with
27:44
and
27:45
like
27:45
a
27:46
sense
27:46
of
27:46
belonging
27:46
because
27:46
it
27:46
also
27:47
was
27:47
a
27:47
more
27:48
like
27:49
conservative
27:50
scene
27:50
too,
27:50
which
27:51
is
27:51
very
27:53
baffling
27:53
to
27:53
me.
27:54
Agreed.
27:54
It
27:54
was
27:55
probably
27:55
three
27:55
years
27:55
ago,
27:56
four
27:56
years
27:56
ago,
27:57
I
27:57
saw
27:58
a
27:58
flyer
27:58
for
27:58
an
27:58
all
27:59
ages
27:59
show
27:59
and
28:00
I
28:00
was
28:00
like,
28:00
awesome.
28:01
Like,
28:02
and,
28:02
and
28:03
I
28:03
don't
28:03
know
28:03
how
28:03
I
28:04
missed,
28:05
like,
28:05
I
28:05
just,
28:06
I
28:06
just
28:07
missed
28:07
it
28:07
for,
28:08
you
28:08
know,
28:08
however
28:08
long
28:09
I've
28:09
lived
28:09
here
28:09
until
28:09
then.
28:10
And
28:10
so
28:10
I
28:11
went
28:11
to,
28:11
I
28:11
went
28:11
to
28:11
it
28:12
and
28:12
I
28:12
was
28:12
like,
28:12
this
28:13
is
28:14
amazing
28:15
because
28:15
it
28:15
was,
28:15
was
28:16
a
28:16
hardcore
28:16
show.
28:17
And
28:17
hardcore
28:17
growing
28:18
up
28:18
was
28:18
always
28:18
male
28:19
dominated,
28:20
you
28:20
know,
28:20
this
28:20
macho,
28:22
you
28:22
know,
28:22
whatever
28:23
gate
28:24
kept
28:25
thing.
28:25
And
28:25
I
28:26
love
28:26
hardcore.
28:26
But
28:27
I
28:27
also
28:27
recognize
28:28
that
28:28
the
28:28
scene
28:29
has,
28:29
has
28:29
traditionally
28:30
been
28:30
problematic
28:31
if
28:31
you
28:31
didn't
28:31
fit
28:31
into
28:32
that
28:32
narrow
28:32
definition.
28:33
And
28:34
I
28:34
walked
28:34
in
28:35
and
28:35
just
28:35
immediately,
28:36
where
28:37
the
28:37
hell
28:37
am
28:38
I?
28:38
Like,
28:38
because
28:39
this
28:39
is
28:39
not
28:39
quote
28:40
unquote
28:40
hardcore.
28:41
Like,
28:41
there's,
28:42
there's
28:42
kids
28:43
like
28:43
dressed
28:43
up
28:43
like
28:43
juggalos.
28:44
There's
28:45
people
28:45
dressed
28:45
up
28:46
like,
28:47
like
28:47
full
28:47
on,
28:47
like
28:47
clown
28:48
makeup.
28:48
So
28:48
not
28:48
juggle
28:49
makeup,
28:49
but
28:49
like
28:49
actual
28:50
like
28:50
clown
28:50
makeup.
28:51
There's
28:51
kids
28:52
dressed
28:52
up
28:52
like
28:53
anime
28:53
characters.
28:54
There's
28:55
obvious
28:56
people
28:56
who
28:57
are
28:57
obviously
28:58
trans
28:59
just
28:59
like
29:00
everything.
29:01
And
29:01
I
29:01
was
29:01
like,
29:01
I
29:01
don't,
29:02
I
29:02
don't
29:02
know
29:02
if
29:02
I'm
29:02
in
29:02
the
29:03
right
29:03
place.
29:03
Like,
29:03
I
29:04
like,
29:04
this
29:04
is
29:04
weird.
29:05
And
29:05
then
29:05
music
29:05
started.
29:06
Like,
29:06
no,
29:06
this
29:06
is
29:06
definitely
29:07
hardcore.
29:08
And
29:08
everybody's
29:09
out
29:09
dancing
29:09
as
29:10
I
29:10
go.
29:10
This
29:10
is
29:12
amazing.
29:13
And
29:13
I
29:13
don't
29:13
know
29:13
how
29:13
I've
29:14
missed
29:14
this
29:14
for
29:14
the
29:14
last
29:15
15
29:15
years.
29:16
However
29:16
many
29:17
years
29:17
I'd
29:17
live
29:17
here.
29:17
I
29:17
was
29:18
like,
29:18
this,
29:18
like
29:18
this
29:19
is
29:19
everything
29:19
the
29:19
punk
29:19
scene
29:20
should
29:20
be.
29:21
And
29:21
it
29:21
was
29:22
just,
29:22
come
29:22
as
29:22
you
29:22
are,
29:22
like,
29:23
we
29:23
don't
29:23
care.
29:23
Everyone's
29:24
welcome.
29:24
And
29:25
at
29:25
that
29:25
point
29:25
in
29:25
time,
29:25
like
29:25
I
29:26
went
29:26
back
29:26
to
29:26
my
29:26
band,
29:26
I
29:26
was
29:27
like,
29:27
hey,
29:27
we
29:27
are
29:28
only
29:28
playing
29:28
all
29:28
ages
29:29
shows
29:29
from
29:29
now
29:29
on
29:29
and
29:30
there
29:30
are
29:30
no
29:30
all
29:30
shows.
29:31
I
29:31
was
29:31
like,
29:31
nope,
29:31
you're
29:32
wrong.
29:32
I
29:32
found
29:32
them.
29:33
I
29:33
found
29:34
them
29:35
and
29:35
that's
29:35
what
29:35
we're
29:35
doing.
29:36
And
29:36
you
29:37
know,
29:37
at
29:37
first
29:37
it
29:37
was,
29:37
it
29:38
was
29:38
a
29:38
little
29:38
struggle
29:38
at
29:38
first,
29:38
but
29:39
eventually
29:39
everybody,
29:39
you
29:40
know,
29:40
sort
29:40
of
29:40
came
29:40
around
29:40
to,
29:41
to
29:41
my
29:41
way
29:41
of
29:41
thinking
29:42
and
29:42
it's
29:42
great
29:43
and,
29:43
and
29:43
it's
29:43
awesome
29:44
and
29:44
just
29:44
that
29:44
scene
29:45
is
29:45
so
29:46
spectacular.
29:47
And
29:47
when,
29:48
and
29:48
when
29:49
touring
29:49
bands
29:50
come
29:50
and
29:50
I
29:50
don't,
29:51
I'm
29:51
assuming
29:51
it's
29:52
not
29:52
like
29:52
that
29:52
everywhere
29:53
because
29:53
we've
29:53
had
29:53
a
29:53
couple,
29:54
you
29:54
know,
29:54
sort
29:54
of
29:54
bigger
29:54
touring
29:55
bands
29:55
come
29:55
through
29:56
and,
29:56
and
29:57
they
29:57
comment
29:57
on
29:57
it.
29:58
Like,
29:58
this
29:58
is
29:59
like,
29:59
this
29:59
is
30:00
like,
30:00
this
30:00
is
30:01
something
30:01
different
30:01
here,
30:02
you
30:02
know,
30:02
like
30:03
cloud
30:03
makeup
30:04
and
30:04
this
30:04
and
30:04
that.
30:04
Like
30:05
we
30:05
don't
30:05
see
30:05
this
30:05
and
30:06
you
30:06
know,
30:07
wherever
30:07
they're
30:07
from.
30:08
And
30:08
I
30:08
just
30:08
think
30:08
it's,
30:09
I
30:09
don't
30:09
know
30:09
what
30:10
happened
30:10
here
30:10
in
30:11
North
30:11
Alabama
30:13
that
30:13
like
30:14
all
30:14
this
30:14
became
30:14
this
30:15
welcoming
30:15
space,
30:15
but
30:16
it's,
30:16
it's
30:16
awesome
30:17
and
30:17
I'm,
30:18
and
30:18
I'm
30:18
glad
30:18
for
30:18
that.
30:19
Like,
30:19
the
30:19
people
30:19
have,
30:20
have
30:20
that
30:21
and
30:21
it.
30:21
And,
30:21
and,
30:22
and
30:22
again,
30:22
you
30:23
know,
30:23
I
30:23
don't,
30:23
I
30:23
don't
30:23
belong
30:23
to
30:23
any
30:24
of
30:24
these
30:24
other
30:24
communities,
30:25
so.
30:25
So
30:26
obviously
30:26
it's
30:26
from
30:27
an
30:27
outsider's
30:27
perspective
30:28
looking
30:28
in,
30:29
but
30:29
it
30:29
appears
30:30
that,
30:30
you
30:31
know,
30:31
there
30:31
is
30:31
this
30:32
safer
30:33
space
30:33
for
30:33
them
30:34
and
30:34
that's
30:35
awesome.
30:35
Couldn't
30:36
agree
30:36
more.
30:36
We
30:37
have
30:37
a
30:37
skate
30:37
park
30:37
here
30:38
in
30:38
Tampa
30:39
that's,
30:39
I
30:39
guess,
30:40
fairly
30:40
well
30:40
known
30:40
skate
30:40
park
30:41
in
30:41
Tampa.
30:41
They're,
30:42
they're
30:42
putting
30:42
on
30:42
shows.
30:43
I
30:43
mean,
30:43
they,
30:44
they
30:44
have
30:44
been
30:44
for
30:44
years,
30:44
but
30:45
personally
30:45
have,
30:46
have
30:46
only
30:46
recently
30:46
become
30:47
aware
30:47
of
30:47
like,
30:47
kind
30:48
of
30:48
some
30:48
of
30:48
the
30:48
hardcore
30:48
shows
30:49
they're
30:49
doing.
30:49
And
30:49
I
30:50
would
30:50
definitely
30:50
describe
30:51
some
30:51
of
30:51
the
30:52
crowd
30:52
exactly
30:53
kind
30:53
of
30:53
how
30:53
you
30:53
did.
30:54
And
30:55
it
30:55
was
30:55
awesome.
30:56
It
30:56
was
30:56
really,
30:57
really,
30:57
really
30:57
cool
30:58
because
30:58
it
30:58
did
30:58
not
30:59
resemble
30:59
the
30:59
hardcore
30:59
shows
31:00
that
31:00
I
31:00
remember
31:00
growing
31:00
up
31:01
in.
31:01
And
31:02
that,
31:03
like
31:03
you
31:03
said,
31:03
like
31:03
the,
31:04
like
31:04
an
31:04
accepting
31:05
space
31:05
for,
31:05
for,
31:06
for
31:06
everyone
31:06
was,
31:07
Was
31:07
very
31:07
heartening.
31:08
I
31:08
am
31:08
still
31:09
the
31:09
old
31:09
guy
31:09
in
31:09
back
31:10
with
31:10
my
31:10
arms
31:10
crossed
31:11
or
31:12
the
31:12
guy
31:12
to
31:12
the.
31:13
To
31:13
right
31:13
or
31:13
stage
31:14
right
31:14
or
31:14
left
31:14
with,
31:15
with
31:15
the
31:15
camera.
31:16
My,
31:16
my,
31:16
my
31:17
days
31:17
of
31:17
dancing
31:17
are
31:18
behind
31:18
me.
31:18
Oh,
31:19
definitely,
31:20
definitely.
31:21
I
31:21
am,
31:21
I'm
31:21
there
31:22
with
31:22
you
31:22
on
31:22
that
31:22
one.
31:23
But
31:23
doesn't
31:23
mean
31:23
I
31:23
enjoy
31:24
it
31:24
any
31:24
less.
31:24
Just
31:25
my,
31:25
my,
31:26
my
31:26
knees
31:26
and
31:26
ankles.
31:27
Thank
31:27
me.
31:30
All
31:30
right.
31:30
Yeah,
31:30
our
31:31
consumption
31:31
is
31:32
different.
31:32
Yes.
31:33
But
31:33
I
31:33
still
31:33
listen
31:34
to
31:34
records.
31:34
Yeah,
31:35
I
31:35
still
31:35
have
31:35
my
31:35
sheets.
31:36
Like
31:36
I
31:37
said,
31:37
the
31:37
collecting
31:37
community
31:38
did
31:38
not
31:38
just
31:38
stop
31:39
with
31:39
things
31:39
like
31:40
toys
31:40
and
31:41
posters.
31:41
It
31:42
started
31:42
and
31:43
still
31:43
is
31:43
ongoing
31:44
with
31:44
my
31:44
vinyl.
31:46
Awesome.
31:47
Okay,
31:47
where
31:47
do
31:47
I
31:47
want
31:48
to
31:48
go
31:48
next?
31:48
And
31:48
you
31:49
can
31:49
feel
31:49
free
31:49
to
31:49
ask
31:49
me
31:50
whatever
31:50
as
31:50
well.
31:51
Like,
31:51
you
31:51
know,
31:51
this
31:52
is
31:52
a
31:52
conversation.
31:52
It
31:53
isn't
31:53
just.
31:53
I
31:53
don't
31:54
want
31:54
this
31:54
just
31:54
to
31:54
feel
31:54
one.
31:55
One
31:56
direction
31:56
thing.
31:57
So,
31:58
so
31:58
I'm
31:58
going
31:58
to
31:58
start
31:59
getting
31:59
into
31:59
a
32:00
little
32:00
political,
32:00
if
32:00
you
32:00
don't,
32:01
don't
32:01
mind
32:01
me.
32:02
But
32:02
living
32:02
in
32:02
Florida
32:03
and
32:03
being
32:03
in
32:04
part
32:04
of
32:04
that
32:04
community,
32:05
like,
32:05
what
32:06
do
32:06
you
32:06
want?
32:06
Do
32:07
you
32:07
want
32:07
to
32:07
talk
32:07
about
32:08
sort
32:08
of
32:08
what
32:09
that
32:09
is
32:09
like,
32:09
or
32:10
do
32:10
you
32:10
not.
32:10
And
32:10
if
32:10
you
32:11
don't
32:11
want
32:11
to,
32:11
that's
32:11
fine.
32:11
We
32:11
can,
32:12
we.
32:12
I
32:12
can,
32:12
I
32:13
can
32:13
kind
32:13
of
32:13
go
32:13
over
32:14
it
32:14
kind
32:14
of
32:15
because
32:15
it's,
32:15
it's
32:16
my
32:16
experience,
32:16
but
32:17
I'm
32:18
in
32:18
a
32:18
city,
32:19
like
32:19
a
32:20
local
32:20
municipality
32:21
that
32:21
is
32:22
for
32:22
the
32:22
most
32:22
part
32:22
pretty
32:23
accepting.
32:24
And
32:24
I
32:24
know
32:24
there
32:25
are
32:25
red
32:25
states
32:26
that
32:26
have
32:27
cities
32:28
or
32:28
communities
32:29
that
32:29
provide
32:30
a
32:30
safer
32:30
space
32:31
for
32:31
that.
32:31
So
32:32
even
32:32
though
32:32
the
32:33
state
32:33
politics
32:34
may
32:34
not
32:34
be
32:34
conducive
32:35
and
32:36
in
32:36
some
32:36
cases
32:36
actively
32:37
working
32:37
against
32:38
things
32:39
like
32:39
diversity
32:40
and
32:40
equity
32:41
and
32:42
inclusion,
32:43
our
32:43
local
32:43
Community,
32:44
I
32:45
find,
32:45
is
32:45
not
32:45
the
32:45
case.
32:46
So
32:46
my
32:47
lived
32:47
experience
32:48
is.
32:48
I
32:49
like,
32:49
I
32:50
feel
32:50
like
32:50
this
32:50
community
32:51
here
32:51
still
32:52
enables
32:52
us
32:52
to
32:53
kind
32:53
of,
32:53
to
32:54
be
32:54
ourselves
32:55
and
32:55
be
32:55
expressive
32:56
and
32:56
create
32:57
art
32:57
without
32:58
really
32:58
any
32:58
kind
32:59
of
32:59
issues.
32:59
Whereas
33:00
the
33:00
larger
33:01
kind
33:01
of
33:01
political
33:01
landscape
33:02
is
33:03
a
33:03
little
33:03
bit
33:03
more
33:03
disheartening.
33:04
For
33:04
sure.
33:04
I
33:05
am
33:05
an
33:05
optimist
33:06
by
33:06
nature
33:06
and
33:07
I
33:07
try
33:07
to
33:07
like,
33:08
kind
33:08
of
33:08
focus
33:09
on
33:09
the
33:09
things
33:10
that
33:10
I
33:10
can
33:10
kind
33:10
of
33:11
control
33:11
and
33:11
that
33:12
I
33:12
can
33:12
then
33:13
kind
33:13
of
33:13
contribute
33:13
to
33:14
and
33:14
just
33:15
make
33:15
sure
33:16
you
33:16
guys
33:16
vote.
33:16
Please
33:17
vote.
33:17
Yeah.
33:18
And
33:18
that
33:19
I
33:19
think
33:19
that
33:19
for
33:19
a
33:20
lot
33:20
of
33:20
people
33:21
is,
33:21
Is
33:21
a
33:22
daunting
33:22
task.
33:23
Right.
33:24
But
33:25
you
33:25
know,
33:25
and
33:25
even
33:25
for
33:25
me,
33:26
I
33:26
get,
33:26
I
33:26
get
33:26
very.
33:27
I
33:27
mean,
33:27
I
33:28
vote
33:28
in
33:28
every
33:28
election,
33:29
but.
33:29
But
33:29
sometimes
33:30
it's.
33:30
The
33:31
casting
33:31
of
33:31
that
33:31
vote
33:32
is
33:32
very
33:33
hard
33:33
for
33:33
me
33:34
sometimes
33:34
because
33:34
it's,
33:35
you
33:35
know,
33:35
a
33:36
lot
33:36
of
33:36
times
33:36
I
33:36
go
33:37
in
33:37
and
33:37
see
33:37
the
33:37
two,
33:38
the
33:38
two
33:38
major
33:38
parties
33:39
is,
33:40
you
33:40
know,
33:40
okay,
33:40
well,
33:41
I'm
33:41
going
33:41
to
33:41
pick
33:41
the
33:41
lesser
33:42
of
33:42
two
33:42
evils
33:43
and
33:43
precisely.
33:44
And,
33:44
and
33:45
like,
33:45
I,
33:46
I
33:47
really
33:48
cherish
33:48
my
33:49
vote.
33:50
Like,
33:50
my
33:50
ability
33:51
to
33:51
vote
33:52
whoever
33:53
I
33:53
want
33:53
for
33:54
is
33:54
to
33:55
me
33:55
is
33:55
worth
33:56
so
33:57
much.
33:58
And
33:58
I
33:58
feel
33:59
that
34:00
asking
34:00
that
34:00
vote
34:01
for
34:01
somebody
34:01
I
34:02
don't
34:03
really
34:03
believe
34:03
in,
34:04
but
34:04
I
34:04
just
34:04
think
34:04
they're
34:05
going
34:05
to
34:05
be
34:05
better
34:05
than
34:05
this
34:06
other
34:06
person.
34:06
And
34:07
like,
34:07
is
34:07
really
34:08
tough
34:08
for
34:08
me.
34:09
But
34:09
then
34:10
sort
34:10
of
34:10
on
34:10
the
34:10
flip
34:10
side
34:10
of
34:10
that
34:11
coin,
34:11
I
34:11
also
34:11
have
34:11
to
34:11
look
34:12
at
34:12
like,
34:12
okay,
34:13
like,
34:13
yes,
34:13
it's,
34:13
it's
34:14
my
34:14
vote,
34:15
but
34:15
my
34:16
vote
34:16
has
34:16
the
34:16
impact
34:16
on
34:17
a
34:17
lot
34:17
of
34:17
other
34:17
people
34:17
I
34:18
care
34:18
about.
34:18
Agreed.
34:19
And
34:19
so
34:20
every
34:20
time
34:20
major
34:20
election
34:21
comes
34:21
up,
34:22
I
34:22
have
34:22
this
34:22
internal
34:23
struggle
34:23
of,
34:24
okay,
34:25
this
34:25
really
34:25
isn't
34:25
the
34:25
person
34:25
I
34:26
want
34:26
to
34:26
vote
34:26
for,
34:26
but
34:27
they're
34:27
definitely
34:27
better
34:27
than
34:28
this
34:28
other
34:28
person.
34:29
But
34:30
like,
34:30
this
34:30
person
34:31
is
34:31
going
34:31
to
34:31
have
34:31
a
34:31
greater
34:32
impact
34:33
on
34:34
all
34:34
these
34:34
other
34:34
people
34:34
I
34:35
care
34:35
about.
34:35
So,
34:36
you
34:36
know,
34:36
I
34:37
have
34:37
to
34:37
put
34:37
my
34:37
own
34:37
self
34:38
aside
34:38
to
34:39
try
34:39
to
34:39
help
34:40
all
34:40
these
34:40
other
34:40
people
34:40
I
34:41
care
34:41
about.
34:41
And
34:41
then,
34:41
and
34:42
then
34:42
work
34:42
in,
34:42
in
34:43
different
34:43
ways
34:44
to
34:44
try
34:44
to
34:45
hopefully
34:45
make
34:45
sure
34:45
the
34:46
next
34:46
election
34:47
there
34:47
is
34:47
somebody
34:48
hopefully
34:49
that
34:49
I
34:49
can
34:49
feel
34:50
better
34:50
about
34:51
for.
34:51
Well,
34:51
I
34:51
think,
34:52
I
34:52
think
34:52
the
34:53
hopefully
34:54
what
34:54
everything
34:54
kind
34:54
of
34:55
going
34:55
on,
34:55
showing
34:55
the
34:56
very,
34:56
very
34:56
stark
34:56
differences
34:57
now.
34:57
Like,
34:58
like,
34:58
it's
34:58
very,
34:59
very
34:59
different.
34:59
Where
35:00
I
35:00
feel
35:00
like
35:00
in
35:01
my
35:01
lifetime
35:02
there
35:02
was
35:02
very
35:03
small
35:03
differences
35:04
between
35:04
the
35:05
two,
35:05
the
35:06
two
35:06
candidates.
35:07
And
35:07
so
35:07
you're
35:07
kind
35:07
of
35:07
like,
35:08
whereas
35:08
now
35:09
kind
35:09
of
35:09
what's
35:09
going
35:09
on,
35:10
like,
35:10
there's,
35:10
there's
35:11
people
35:11
who
35:11
are
35:12
actively
35:12
kind
35:12
of
35:12
working
35:13
against
35:13
communities.
35:14
And
35:14
I
35:15
wasn't
35:15
aware
35:15
of
35:15
it
35:16
as
35:16
much
35:16
then,
35:17
and
35:17
I've
35:17
kind
35:18
of
35:18
become
35:18
More
35:18
political
35:19
now.
35:19
But
35:19
one
35:20
thing
35:20
that
35:20
if
35:21
I
35:21
was
35:21
to
35:21
kind
35:22
of
35:22
hit
35:22
any
35:22
point,
35:23
take
35:23
home
35:24
is
35:24
vote
35:25
in
35:25
your
35:25
local
35:25
elections.
35:26
And
35:26
I
35:27
think
35:27
a
35:27
lot
35:27
of
35:27
people
35:27
do
35:28
not
35:28
do
35:28
that.
35:28
They
35:29
just
35:29
kind
35:29
of
35:29
vote
35:29
in
35:30
maybe
35:30
the
35:30
midterms,
35:30
maybe
35:31
the
35:31
kind
35:31
of
35:31
the
35:32
presidential
35:32
one.
35:33
But
35:33
local
35:34
vote
35:34
can
35:35
have
35:35
just
35:35
as
35:35
much
35:36
impact,
35:36
if
35:36
not
35:36
more,
35:37
on
35:37
your
35:38
school
35:38
boards,
35:39
on
35:39
your
35:39
election
35:40
boards,
35:40
and
35:40
your
35:41
supervisor
35:42
of
35:42
elections.
35:42
City
35:43
council.
35:44
City
35:44
council,
35:45
exactly.
35:45
Yeah,
35:46
Everything.
35:46
It's
35:47
all
35:47
important.
35:48
So
35:48
just,
35:49
you
35:49
know,
35:49
find
35:49
somebody
35:50
who
35:51
is
35:51
this
35:51
close
35:52
to
35:52
your
35:53
ideology
35:54
and,
35:54
and
35:55
kind
35:55
of
35:55
go
35:55
for
35:55
that.
35:55
But
35:56
as.
35:56
As
35:56
we
35:56
kind
35:56
of
35:56
saw
35:57
in,
35:57
in
35:58
New
35:58
York
35:58
City,
35:59
no
35:59
one
35:59
saw
35:59
that
36:00
coming.
36:00
No.
36:01
So
36:02
anything
36:02
can
36:02
happen,
36:03
I
36:03
guess.
36:03
Right.
36:03
Well,
36:04
there
36:04
was
36:04
that
36:05
election
36:05
in
36:05
Texas
36:05
recently
36:06
that
36:07
flipped
36:07
that
36:07
seat
36:07
like,
36:08
huge.
36:09
There
36:09
was
36:10
an
36:10
election
36:11
in,
36:12
I
36:12
think,
36:12
Louisiana
36:13
that
36:13
flipped
36:14
a
36:14
seat
36:14
like
36:15
by.
36:16
By
36:16
a
36:16
lot
36:17
of,
36:17
um.
36:18
It's
36:18
hard
36:18
waking
36:18
up
36:19
each
36:19
morning
36:19
and
36:19
just
36:19
sort
36:20
of
36:20
watching
36:20
the
36:20
news
36:20
and
36:20
watching
36:21
everything
36:21
that's
36:21
going
36:21
on
36:22
in
36:22
our
36:22
country.
36:23
But
36:23
I
36:23
have
36:23
hope.
36:24
I
36:24
have
36:24
great.
36:25
You
36:25
have
36:25
to.
36:26
Yeah,
36:26
I
36:27
guess
36:27
talking
36:27
about
36:28
hope
36:28
and
36:28
having
36:28
hope.
36:29
What
36:29
are
36:30
a
36:30
couple
36:30
things
36:31
that
36:31
give
36:31
you
36:31
hope
36:32
right
36:32
now?
36:33
Again,
36:33
because
36:33
of
36:33
the,
36:34
of
36:34
where
36:34
I
36:34
live,
36:35
like
36:35
kind
36:35
of
36:35
the
36:35
city
36:35
that
36:36
I
36:36
live,
36:36
I.
36:37
I
36:37
see
36:37
price
36:38
flags,
36:38
like,
36:39
pretty
36:39
regularly.
36:40
Not
36:40
so
36:41
much
36:41
the
36:41
ones
36:41
that
36:42
were
36:42
kind
36:43
of
36:43
like
36:43
taken
36:43
down
36:44
by
36:44
state
36:45
government,
36:45
but
36:46
like
36:47
homes,
36:47
communities,
36:48
businesses,
36:49
like,
36:49
or
36:50
city.
36:50
City
36:51
council.
36:51
From
36:52
a,
36:52
from
36:52
a
36:52
local
36:53
perspective,
36:54
there's
36:54
hope
36:54
here.
36:55
And
36:55
my
36:56
hope
36:56
is
36:56
that
36:56
it
36:57
kind
36:57
of
36:57
expands
36:57
outward.
36:58
So
36:58
much
36:58
of
36:59
it
36:59
is
37:00
like
37:00
just
37:00
kind
37:00
of
37:00
exposing
37:01
people
37:01
to
37:02
diversity
37:03
and
37:03
kind
37:03
of
37:03
being
37:03
like,
37:04
look,
37:04
they're
37:05
literally
37:05
just
37:06
wanting
37:06
the
37:06
same
37:06
things
37:07
that
37:07
we
37:07
are,
37:07
just
37:08
those
37:08
hierarchy,
37:09
food,
37:09
roof,
37:09
family,
37:10
you
37:10
know,
37:11
and
37:12
when
37:12
you
37:12
put
37:13
it
37:13
in
37:13
that
37:13
perspective,
37:14
it
37:15
feels
37:15
like
37:15
we
37:15
should
37:16
all
37:16
be
37:16
on
37:16
the
37:16
same
37:16
team
37:16
when
37:17
it
37:17
comes
37:17
to
37:17
that.
37:18
So
37:18
that's
37:18
my
37:19
kind
37:19
of
37:19
eternal
37:19
optimism
37:20
is
37:20
at
37:20
the
37:20
end
37:21
of
37:21
the
37:21
day
37:21
that
37:22
we
37:22
all
37:22
kind
37:22
of
37:22
want
37:22
the
37:22
same
37:23
things.
37:23
And
37:23
it's
37:24
just
37:24
kind
37:24
of
37:25
cutting
37:25
through
37:25
the
37:25
noise
37:26
of
37:26
social
37:27
media
37:28
and
37:28
the
37:28
echo
37:28
chambers
37:29
and
37:29
all
37:29
that
37:30
stuff.
37:30
And
37:30
it's
37:30
all
37:30
manufactured.
37:32
It's
37:32
all
37:32
just
37:32
literally
37:33
clickbait
37:34
and
37:34
they
37:34
don't
37:34
care.
37:34
They
37:35
just
37:35
want
37:35
your
37:35
advertising
37:36
money.
37:37
And
37:37
if
37:37
you
37:38
just
37:38
think
37:38
everybody,
37:39
think
37:39
of
37:39
everybody
37:40
as
37:40
a
37:40
person,
37:40
it
37:41
becomes
37:41
a
37:41
lot
37:41
simpler.
37:42
Instead
37:42
of
37:42
just
37:42
rage
37:43
baiting
37:43
and
37:44
like
37:44
arguing
37:44
with,
37:45
you're
37:45
probably
37:45
arguing
37:46
with
37:46
a
37:46
bot.
37:47
You're
37:47
literally
37:47
arguing
37:48
with.
37:48
With
37:49
a
37:49
algorithm
37:50
that
37:50
is,
37:51
that
37:51
is
37:52
literally
37:52
intended
37:53
to
37:53
just
37:54
make
37:54
you
37:54
angry.
37:54
You
37:55
don't
37:55
really
37:55
participate
37:56
in
37:57
political
37:57
discussions,
37:57
like,
37:58
online
37:58
at
37:58
all.
37:58
It's
37:59
a
37:59
pointless
37:59
exercise.
38:00
But
38:00
even
38:00
in
38:00
like,
38:01
vinyl
38:01
Collecting
38:01
communities
38:02
and
38:02
punk
38:03
rock
38:03
community.
38:03
Like
38:04
stuff
38:04
where
38:04
I'm
38:04
actively
38:05
like,
38:05
oh,
38:06
this
38:06
man
38:06
rules.
38:06
Oh,
38:06
you
38:07
should
38:07
check
38:07
out
38:07
this
38:07
one.
38:07
Whatever.
38:08
And
38:08
then
38:09
sure
38:09
enough,
38:10
somebody
38:11
will
38:11
post
38:11
some
38:12
kind
38:12
of
38:12
like
38:13
inflammatory
38:14
whatever
38:14
it
38:14
is
38:15
and
38:15
then
38:15
just
38:16
the
38:16
discussion
38:16
happens.
38:17
And
38:17
I'm
38:17
like,
38:18
that
38:18
guy's
38:18
a
38:18
bot.
38:19
He
38:19
has
38:19
like
38:19
four
38:19
followers
38:20
and
38:20
zero
38:21
posts.
38:21
Like,
38:21
no,
38:22
like
38:22
that
38:22
is
38:22
an
38:23
algorithm,
38:23
my
38:23
friend.
38:23
Don't,
38:24
don't
38:24
feed
38:24
it.
38:26
So
38:26
focus,
38:27
focus
38:27
on,
38:28
on
38:28
the
38:28
stuff
38:28
locally.
38:29
One
38:29
of
38:30
the.
38:31
I,
38:31
I
38:31
don't
38:31
know,
38:32
like,
38:32
I'm
38:32
not
38:32
going
38:32
to
38:32
like
38:33
say
38:33
specifically
38:33
who
38:34
he
38:34
is,
38:34
but
38:34
he's
38:35
a,
38:35
he's
38:35
a
38:35
fairly
38:35
well
38:35
known
38:36
punk
38:36
rock
38:36
guy.
38:36
I
38:37
think
38:37
he's
38:37
in
38:37
Jersey,
38:38
ran
38:38
for
38:38
city
38:38
council
38:39
and,
38:40
and
38:40
so
38:40
rather
38:40
than
38:40
just
38:41
kind
38:41
of
38:41
talking
38:41
about
38:41
it,
38:41
he
38:41
just
38:42
ran
38:42
it.
38:42
So
38:43
if
38:43
you
38:43
feel
38:43
strongly
38:44
about,
38:44
about
38:45
these
38:45
values
38:46
and,
38:46
and
38:46
you
38:46
have
38:47
the
38:47
time
38:47
and
38:47
ability
38:48
to,
38:48
to
38:48
do
38:48
it,
38:49
run
38:49
for
38:49
city
38:49
council,
38:50
run
38:50
for,
38:50
run
38:50
for
38:50
a
38:51
local
38:51
election
38:52
and
38:52
be
38:52
the
38:53
voice
38:53
for,
38:53
for
38:53
the,
38:54
the
38:54
folks
38:54
who,
38:55
who
38:55
are
38:55
unable
38:56
to
38:56
do
38:56
that.
38:57
So
38:57
that
38:58
like
38:58
with
38:59
him
38:59
running
38:59
and
38:59
winning
39:00
and
39:00
with
39:01
kind
39:01
of
39:01
New
39:01
York
39:01
City,
39:02
I
39:02
try
39:02
to
39:03
take
39:03
hope
39:03
when
39:03
I
39:03
where,
39:03
where
39:04
I
39:04
can
39:04
because
39:04
there's
39:05
a
39:05
lot
39:05
of,
39:05
a
39:05
lot
39:05
of
39:05
kind
39:06
of
39:06
negative
39:06
stuff
39:06
out
39:06
there
39:07
a
39:07
lot
39:08
right
39:08
now.
39:09
So
39:09
I
39:09
try
39:09
to
39:09
tend
39:09
to
39:10
focus
39:10
on,
39:10
on
39:10
kind
39:11
of
39:11
like,
39:11
okay,
39:12
things
39:12
are
39:12
shifting
39:13
a
39:13
little
39:13
bit
39:13
and
39:14
really
39:14
it's
39:14
just
39:14
in
39:14
the
39:14
name
39:15
of
39:15
just
39:15
kind
39:15
of
39:15
being
39:15
good
39:15
to
39:16
your,
39:16
to
39:16
your
39:16
fellow
39:16
person.
39:17
Really,
39:18
at
39:18
the
39:18
end
39:18
of
39:18
the
39:18
day,
39:19
just
39:19
don't
39:19
be
39:19
a
39:20
dick.
39:20
Well
39:20
all
39:21
said,
39:21
well
39:21
said.
39:23
Yeah,
39:24
it
39:24
was,
39:24
it
39:25
was
39:25
me.
39:25
I'm
39:25
gonna
39:25
ask
39:26
myself
39:26
that,
39:27
that
39:28
question
39:28
as
39:28
well.
39:31
With
39:32
me,
39:32
it's
39:33
like
39:34
my
39:34
kid,
39:35
like,
39:35
just
39:36
gives
39:36
me
39:36
hope.
39:36
Like,
39:36
he's
39:37
just
39:37
an
39:37
awesome,
39:38
awesome
39:38
kid.
39:39
And
39:40
so,
39:40
so
39:40
a
39:40
lot
39:40
of
39:40
me
39:41
is
39:41
like,
39:41
okay,
39:41
like
39:42
what,
39:42
what
39:42
can
39:42
I
39:43
do
39:43
to
39:44
make
39:44
this
39:44
world
39:44
better
39:44
for
39:45
him?
39:45
Right?
39:46
There's
39:47
a
39:47
lot
39:47
of
39:47
like
39:48
grassroots
39:48
organizing
39:49
going
39:49
on,
39:50
you
39:50
know,
39:50
in,
39:51
in
39:51
my
39:51
community,
39:52
which,
39:53
which
39:53
is
39:53
also
39:54
like
39:55
inspired
39:55
me
39:55
as
39:56
well.
39:56
So
39:57
within
39:57
the
39:57
last
39:58
six
39:59
months
39:59
or
39:59
so,
40:00
like
40:00
a
40:00
Food
40:00
Not
40:00
Bombs
40:01
chapter
40:01
opened
40:02
up
40:02
here,
40:02
which
40:03
is,
40:03
yeah,
40:04
again
40:04
like
40:04
we're
40:05
in
40:05
Alabama
40:06
and
40:07
although
40:07
I
40:07
live
40:07
in
40:08
a
40:08
more
40:09
liberal
40:09
place
40:09
in
40:10
Alabama,
40:10
like
40:10
it's
40:11
still
40:11
Alabama,
40:11
so,
40:12
so
40:12
seeing
40:12
that,
40:13
you
40:13
know,
40:13
people
40:14
are
40:14
taking
40:14
on
40:14
that,
40:15
that
40:15
more.
40:16
And
40:16
so
40:16
I've,
40:17
I
40:17
don't
40:17
go
40:17
to
40:17
the
40:18
things
40:18
as
40:18
much
40:18
as
40:18
I
40:19
should,
40:19
but
40:19
like,
40:19
I
40:19
donate
40:20
all
40:20
I
40:20
can.
40:21
It's
40:21
awesome.
40:22
There's
40:22
a
40:22
pretty
40:22
good
40:23
mix
40:23
of
40:23
people.
40:23
Like
40:23
you
40:23
have
40:24
like
40:24
the
40:24
anarcho
40:24
punks,
40:25
but
40:25
then
40:25
you
40:26
also
40:26
have
40:27
like
40:27
engineers
40:28
there.
40:28
So
40:28
I
40:29
live
40:29
in
40:29
Huntsville
40:29
and
40:30
Huntsville's
40:30
has
40:31
a
40:31
lot
40:31
of
40:32
aerospace
40:33
and
40:33
defense
40:34
contractors
40:35
and
40:35
a
40:36
lot
40:36
of
40:36
engineers.
40:37
So
40:38
like
40:38
you
40:38
go
40:38
and
40:38
there
40:39
are.
40:39
It's
40:39
like,
40:39
oh,
40:39
you're
40:40
obviously
40:40
like
40:40
an
40:41
engineer.
40:41
So
40:42
you
40:42
have
40:42
these
40:42
more
40:43
recently
40:44
activated
40:45
people
40:46
who
40:46
may.
40:46
May
40:47
not
40:47
have
40:47
been
40:47
as
40:48
active
40:49
in
40:49
the
40:49
past,
40:49
but
40:49
they've
40:50
had
40:50
their
40:50
fill.
40:50
And
40:51
so
40:51
now
40:51
they
40:51
are.
40:52
And
40:52
then
40:52
not
40:52
just
40:53
with
40:53
that.
40:53
Like
40:53
there's
40:54
a
40:54
lot
40:54
of
40:54
activism
40:55
going
40:55
on
40:55
within
40:56
like
40:56
our
40:56
library
40:57
system
40:57
right
40:57
now.
40:58
Moms
40:58
for
40:59
Liberty
40:59
is
40:59
real
41:00
active
41:00
here
41:00
and
41:00
so
41:00
they're
41:01
trying
41:01
to.
41:02
So
41:02
you
41:02
have
41:03
this
41:03
amazing
41:03
activism
41:04
going
41:04
on
41:05
with
41:05
our
41:05
library
41:05
networks
41:06
throughout
41:06
the
41:06
entire
41:07
state.
41:07
Just
41:08
seeing
41:08
that
41:08
this
41:08
grassroots
41:10
activism
41:11
is
41:11
really
41:12
awesome.
41:13
That's
41:13
awesome.
41:13
That
41:14
gives
41:14
me
41:14
hope
41:14
as
41:14
well.
41:15
Okay,
41:15
so.
41:16
So
41:16
to
41:16
be.
41:17
To
41:17
be
41:17
respectful
41:18
of
41:18
your
41:18
time,
41:19
I'll
41:19
start
41:19
wrapping
41:20
this
41:20
up.
41:21
But
41:21
before
41:21
I
41:21
ask
41:21
my.
41:22
My
41:22
couple
41:22
wrap
41:22
up
41:23
questions,
41:23
is
41:24
there
41:24
anything
41:24
else
41:24
like
41:24
you
41:25
want
41:25
to
41:25
talk
41:25
about
41:25
before.
41:26
Before
41:26
we
41:27
wrap
41:27
this
41:27
up?
41:27
Well,
41:28
I
41:28
did
41:28
have
41:28
a
41:28
question.
41:28
Oh,
41:28
go
41:29
for
41:29
it.
41:29
Coming
41:29
from
41:29
the
41:29
90s.
41:30
And
41:30
I
41:30
remember
41:30
this
41:30
vividly
41:31
because
41:31
I
41:31
was
41:32
very
41:32
much
41:32
guilty
41:33
of
41:33
it
41:33
and
41:34
kind
41:34
of
41:34
speaking
41:35
to
41:35
the
41:35
more
41:35
kind
41:36
of
41:36
acceptance
41:37
of
41:37
kind
41:37
of
41:38
our
41:38
kind
41:38
of
41:38
music
41:38
communities.
41:39
Now.
41:40
Do
41:40
you
41:40
remember
41:41
how
41:41
gatekeeping
41:42
we
41:42
were
41:42
about
41:42
major
41:42
labels?
41:43
They
41:44
did
41:44
best.
41:45
No,
41:45
there
41:46
was.
41:46
It
41:46
was.
41:46
They
41:47
sold
41:47
out
41:48
the
41:48
worst.
41:48
Like
41:49
what
41:49
entered
41:49
that
41:50
major
41:50
label.
41:50
You
41:50
were
41:50
dead
41:51
to
41:51
me.
41:51
And
41:52
now
41:52
obviously.
41:53
And
41:53
I
41:53
mean
41:54
in
41:54
retrospect,
41:55
it
41:55
was
41:55
like
41:56
some
41:56
of
41:56
my
41:57
favorite
41:57
bands,
41:58
like
41:58
albums
41:59
were
41:59
their
41:59
major
42:00
label
42:00
record.
42:01
Like
42:01
they
42:01
would
42:01
be
42:01
indie,
42:01
indie,
42:02
indie,
42:02
indie.
42:03
And
42:03
I'm
42:03
not
42:03
even
42:04
talking
42:04
about
42:04
like
42:04
grade
42:04
A,
42:04
like
42:05
so,
42:05
so
42:05
perfect
42:05
example.
42:06
I'm
42:06
a
42:06
huge
42:07
Sam.
42:07
I
42:07
am
42:07
guy.
42:08
Huge
42:09
and
42:09
clumsy.
42:10
Is.
42:10
Is
42:11
perfect.
42:12
I
42:12
love,
42:12
love,
42:13
love
42:13
that
42:13
record
42:13
label.
42:14
Atlantic
42:14
Records.
42:15
Bad
42:15
Religion.
42:16
Huge
42:16
Bad
42:16
Religion
42:17
Guy.
42:17
Stranger
42:18
Than
42:18
Fiction.
42:18
I
42:18
think
42:18
is.
42:19
Is
42:19
incredible.
42:20
One
42:20
of
42:20
my
42:20
favorites
42:20
of
42:20
all
42:21
time.
42:21
And
42:21
then
42:21
you
42:22
have
42:22
like
42:23
to
42:23
meet
42:23
world
42:24
like
42:24
clarity
42:25
is
42:25
incredible.
42:25
Like,
42:26
but
42:26
at
42:27
that
42:27
time
42:27
you're
42:27
like
42:28
major
42:28
label
42:29
now.
42:29
They're
42:29
terrible.
42:30
Yeah.
42:30
Well,
42:30
who
42:30
else
42:31
like
42:31
Jawbreaker.
42:32
Right,
42:32
Jawbreaker.
42:33
You.
42:34
Oh
42:34
yeah.
42:34
But
42:34
even
42:35
like,
42:35
even
42:35
quote
42:36
unquote,
42:36
maybe
42:37
not
42:37
bands
42:37
that
42:37
were
42:37
necessarily
42:38
under
42:38
the
42:38
punk
42:39
umbrella,
42:39
but
42:39
like
42:40
we
42:40
rubbed
42:40
elbows
42:41
with
42:41
them.
42:41
It's
42:41
like
42:42
Modest
42:42
Mouse,
42:43
right?
42:43
Like
42:43
they
42:44
start
42:44
off
42:44
like
42:44
way
42:44
indie.
42:45
Yeah,
42:46
yeah,
42:46
no,
42:46
definitely.
42:47
Who
42:47
else?
42:48
You
42:48
know
42:48
when
42:49
Victory
42:49
was
42:49
bought?
42:50
When
42:50
Victory
42:51
Records
42:51
was
42:51
bought.
42:52
Oh
42:52
yeah.
42:52
Dead
42:52
to
42:53
me.
42:53
What
42:53
do
42:53
you
42:53
think
42:54
of
42:54
so
42:54
Saves
42:54
the
42:54
Day?
42:55
Their
42:55
first.
42:56
Their
42:56
first
42:56
major
42:56
was
42:56
in
42:57
Reverie.
42:57
I
42:58
think
42:58
that
42:58
to
42:59
me
42:59
personally,
42:59
like
42:59
that
43:00
record
43:00
aged
43:01
better
43:01
at
43:01
the
43:01
time.
43:02
I
43:02
was
43:02
like,
43:02
no,
43:03
it's
43:03
not
43:03
Vagrant.
43:03
Terrible
43:04
Yeah,
43:04
I
43:05
haven't
43:05
listened
43:05
to
43:05
it
43:05
in
43:06
a
43:06
really
43:06
long
43:06
time,
43:07
so
43:07
I'm
43:07
gonna
43:07
have
43:07
to
43:07
go
43:07
back
43:08
and
43:08
give
43:08
it
43:08
a
43:09
listen
43:09
in
43:09
reveries.
43:10
Much
43:10
better
43:11
than
43:11
I.
43:11
Than
43:11
I
43:11
gave
43:12
it
43:12
credit
43:12
for
43:12
back
43:12
then.
43:13
Back
43:13
then,
43:13
I
43:13
was
43:14
very
43:15
bothered
43:15
and
43:16
like.
43:16
And
43:16
I
43:16
was.
43:16
I
43:17
was
43:17
also
43:17
very
43:17
guilty
43:18
of,
43:19
like,
43:19
not
43:19
listening
43:20
to
43:20
bands
43:20
at
43:20
all
43:21
because
43:22
I
43:22
didn't
43:22
like
43:22
the
43:23
people
43:23
that
43:23
listened
43:24
to
43:24
them.
43:24
And
43:25
so
43:25
it
43:25
was
43:25
just
43:25
like.
43:26
Like,
43:26
oh,
43:27
like
43:27
you're
43:27
the
43:27
crowd
43:28
that
43:28
listens
43:28
to
43:28
this
43:28
band.
43:29
Not.
43:30
Not
43:30
even
43:30
going
43:31
to
43:31
touch.
43:31
It's
43:32
like
43:32
Alkaline
43:32
Trio
43:33
hated
43:33
them.
43:34
I
43:34
just
43:34
wouldn't
43:34
even.
43:35
Because,
43:36
like,
43:36
the
43:36
couple
43:36
people
43:37
I
43:37
knew
43:37
who
43:37
were
43:37
really
43:38
into
43:38
Alkaline
43:38
Trio
43:39
just
43:39
didn't
43:39
like
43:39
them.
43:39
And
43:40
so
43:40
Alkaline
43:40
Trio
43:41
was
43:41
then
43:41
guilty
43:41
by
43:42
association.
43:44
I
43:44
mean,
43:44
I
43:45
was
43:45
wrong,
43:45
obviously.
43:46
They're
43:47
a
43:47
great
43:47
band.
43:48
I
43:48
love
43:48
their
43:48
stuff.
43:50
Yeah.
43:50
So
43:50
I
43:50
wasn't
43:50
even
43:51
gatekeepy
43:51
about.
43:52
About,
43:53
you
43:53
know,
43:53
major
43:53
labels.
43:54
I
43:54
was
43:54
also
43:54
gate.
43:54
Gatekeeping
43:55
about
43:55
people
43:55
who
43:56
listen
43:56
to
43:56
that
43:56
music
43:57
or
43:57
listen
43:57
to
43:57
that.
43:57
Yeah.
43:58
Like,
43:59
nope,
43:59
I'm
44:00
not
44:00
listening
44:00
to
44:00
them
44:01
because
44:01
that
44:01
person
44:01
listens
44:02
to
44:02
them
44:02
and
44:02
I
44:02
don't
44:02
like
44:02
that
44:03
person.
44:03
So
44:04
that
44:04
band
44:04
also
44:04
sucks.
44:05
We
44:05
were
44:06
very
44:06
wrong.
44:06
Oh.
44:07
So
44:07
let
44:07
the
44:07
record
44:07
show.
44:08
Yeah,
44:08
I.
44:09
I
44:09
hold
44:09
my
44:10
head
44:10
in
44:10
shame
44:10
on
44:11
my
44:11
major
44:11
label,
44:12
Gatekeepiness.
44:13
So
44:14
I
44:14
just
44:14
wanted
44:14
to
44:14
talk
44:15
about
44:15
it
44:15
because
44:15
we
44:15
were
44:15
kind
44:16
of
44:16
talking
44:16
about,
44:16
like,
44:16
an
44:16
accepting
44:17
community
44:17
and
44:17
feeling
44:18
like
44:18
kind
44:18
of
44:18
belonging
44:19
to.
44:19
Unless
44:19
you
44:20
sign
44:20
to
44:20
a
44:20
major
44:20
label.
44:21
Yep.
44:21
Yeah.
44:22
No,
44:22
yeah,
44:23
it's
44:23
terrible.
44:24
Yeah.
44:25
For
44:25
the
44:25
record,
44:25
I
44:26
was
44:26
wrong
44:26
as
44:27
well.
44:27
I'm
44:27
with.
44:27
I'm
44:28
with
44:28
you
44:28
in
44:28
that,
44:28
my
44:29
friend.
44:31
Yeah,
44:33
I
44:33
have
44:33
a.
44:33
I
44:33
have
44:34
a
44:34
story
44:34
that
44:34
goes
44:34
along
44:35
with
44:35
that
44:35
too.
44:35
So
44:36
I
44:36
was
44:36
at
44:37
some
44:37
show.
44:37
I
44:37
don't
44:37
remember
44:37
what
44:37
show
44:38
I
44:38
was
44:38
at,
44:38
but,
44:39
you
44:39
know,
44:39
I
44:39
was
44:39
at
44:39
a
44:40
merch
44:40
table
44:40
and
44:40
there
44:41
was
44:41
some
44:41
distro
44:41
there.
44:42
And
44:42
one
44:42
of
44:42
my
44:42
buddies
44:43
walks
44:43
up
44:43
and
44:43
points
44:44
out
44:44
now
44:44
was
44:44
like,
44:44
hey,
44:45
do
44:45
you
44:45
have
44:45
that
44:45
album?
44:46
And
44:46
it
44:46
was
44:47
Converge
44:47
petitioning
44:48
the
44:48
Empty
44:48
Sky.
44:49
Right.
44:49
I
44:49
think
44:49
that's.
44:50
That
44:50
was
44:50
their,
44:50
like,
44:50
first
44:51
ish
44:51
album
44:52
anyway.
44:52
And
44:52
I
44:53
was
44:53
like,
44:54
nope,
44:54
they're
44:54
metal.
44:55
I
44:55
don't
44:55
listen
44:55
to
44:56
metal.
44:56
And
44:56
like,
44:57
you're
44:57
wrong.
44:58
You
44:58
need
44:58
to
44:58
listen
44:59
to
44:59
it.
44:59
Because,
44:59
like,
45:00
I
45:00
did
45:00
listen
45:00
to,
45:00
like,
45:00
other
45:01
sort
45:01
of,
45:01
like,
45:01
metaly
45:02
bands.
45:02
Like,
45:03
I
45:03
really
45:03
love
45:03
this
45:03
band
45:03
out
45:04
of
45:04
D.C.
45:04
called
45:05
Damnation
45:06
Ad.
45:09
But
45:09
he's
45:10
like,
45:10
no,
45:10
you
45:10
need
45:10
this
45:10
in
45:10
this
45:10
album.
45:11
I
45:11
was
45:11
like,
45:11
I'm
45:11
not
45:12
like,
45:12
no.
45:12
He
45:12
said.
45:12
And
45:13
so
45:13
we
45:13
sort
45:13
of
45:14
argued
45:14
over
45:14
this
45:14
album
45:15
in
45:15
front
45:15
of
45:15
this
45:15
merch
45:15
guy
45:15
for
45:16
however
45:16
long.
45:16
And
45:17
he
45:17
Said,
45:17
look.
45:17
He
45:18
like,
45:18
here's
45:18
the
45:18
deal.
45:19
Buy
45:19
the
45:19
album.
45:20
He
45:20
said,
45:20
if
45:20
you
45:20
don't
45:21
like
45:21
it
45:21
by
45:21
the
45:21
third
45:21
time
45:22
listening
45:22
to
45:22
it,
45:23
then
45:23
I
45:23
will
45:23
give
45:23
you
45:24
the
45:24
money
45:24
for
45:24
the
45:24
album
45:25
and
45:25
you
45:26
can
45:26
keep
45:26
the
45:26
album.
45:26
Okay.
45:27
I
45:27
bought
45:28
it,
45:28
you
45:28
know,
45:28
listened
45:28
to,
45:29
you
45:29
know,
45:29
put
45:29
it
45:29
in.
45:30
I
45:30
was
45:30
like,
45:31
don't
45:31
like
45:31
it.
45:31
I
45:32
saw
45:32
a
45:32
couple
45:32
weeks
45:33
later,
45:33
he's
45:33
like,
45:33
hey,
45:33
have
45:33
you
45:33
listened
45:34
to.
45:34
I
45:34
was
45:34
like,
45:34
yeah,
45:34
no.
45:35
Well,
45:35
how
45:35
many
45:35
times
45:36
you
45:36
listen
45:36
to?
45:36
I
45:36
said,
45:36
just
45:36
once.
45:37
He's
45:37
like,
45:37
nope,
45:37
Three.
45:38
Three
45:38
times.
45:38
You
45:38
know,
45:39
a
45:39
month
45:39
or
45:39
so
45:39
later,
45:39
put
45:39
it
45:40
in
45:40
again.
45:40
I
45:40
was
45:40
like,
45:41
nope,
45:41
nope.
45:42
Like,
45:42
I.
45:42
I
45:42
don't
45:43
like
45:43
metal.
45:43
Don't
45:43
listen
45:43
to
45:44
metal.
45:44
Which
45:44
is
45:44
stupid
45:45
because,
45:45
like,
45:45
my
45:45
foundations
45:46
were
45:46
in
45:46
metal.
45:47
Like,
45:47
I
45:47
got
45:47
my
45:47
start
45:48
in
45:48
into
45:49
the
45:49
music,
45:49
journey
45:50
through
45:51
metal.
45:52
So
45:52
it
45:52
was
45:52
just.
45:53
We
45:53
just
45:53
get
45:53
these
45:53
stupid
45:54
ideas
45:54
in
45:54
our
45:54
head
45:54
when
45:54
we're
45:55
younger
45:55
and,
45:55
you
45:55
know,
45:55
think
45:56
we're
45:56
right
45:56
and
45:56
we're
45:56
not
45:57
about
45:57
some
45:57
things.
45:58
Didn't
45:58
like
45:59
it.
45:59
And
45:59
then
45:59
a
45:59
couple
45:59
weeks
46:00
later,
46:00
after
46:00
I
46:00
listened
46:00
to
46:01
the
46:01
second
46:01
time,
46:01
he
46:01
was
46:01
like,
46:01
hey,
46:01
Converge
46:02
is
46:02
coming.
46:02
Are
46:03
you
46:03
going
46:03
to
46:03
the
46:03
show?
46:03
I
46:04
was
46:04
like,
46:04
no.
46:05
He's
46:05
like,
46:05
have
46:05
you
46:05
listened
46:06
to
46:06
it
46:06
three
46:06
times
46:06
yet?
46:06
I
46:07
was
46:07
like,
46:07
no.
46:07
He's
46:07
like,
46:07
you
46:08
know,
46:08
go
46:08
home,
46:08
put
46:09
it
46:09
in.
46:09
And
46:09
then,
46:10
like,
46:10
we're
46:10
going
46:10
to
46:10
the
46:11
show
46:11
and
46:11
something.
46:12
And
46:12
when
46:12
I
46:12
put
46:13
that
46:13
album
46:13
in
46:13
for
46:13
the
46:14
third
46:14
time,
46:14
it
46:14
was
46:15
just
46:15
something
46:16
clicked
46:17
with
46:17
me.
46:18
And
46:18
then,
46:18
you
46:18
know,
46:18
for
46:18
me,
46:19
that
46:19
opened
46:19
up
46:19
the
46:19
whole,
46:20
like,
46:20
the
46:21
whole,
46:21
like,
46:21
whatever
46:22
metal.
46:23
Like,
46:23
the
46:24
metal
46:24
core
46:24
at
46:25
the
46:25
time
46:25
was
46:25
like,
46:25
cave
46:26
in
46:26
and
46:26
coalesce
46:27
and
46:27
like,
46:28
all
46:28
that
46:28
stuff
46:28
at
46:28
the
46:28
time.
46:29
This
46:29
is
46:30
spectacular.
46:31
Like,
46:31
I'm
46:32
stupid.
46:34
And
46:34
then.
46:35
Yeah,
46:35
yeah.
46:36
You
46:36
know,
46:36
then
46:36
of
46:36
course,
46:36
I
46:37
went
46:37
to
46:37
the
46:37
show.
46:37
I
46:37
was,
46:37
like,
46:38
blown
46:38
away.
46:38
They
46:38
just
46:39
put
46:39
on
46:39
an
46:39
amazing
46:40
show.
46:41
But
46:41
yeah,
46:41
yeah,
46:41
we
46:41
just
46:41
get
46:42
these
46:42
silly
46:42
ideas
46:42
in
46:42
our
46:43
heads
46:43
sometimes
46:43
about.
46:44
About
46:44
music.
46:44
Oh,
46:45
yeah.
46:45
Oftentimes
46:46
we're
46:46
wrong.
46:47
Yes,
46:47
agree.
46:48
In
46:48
hindsight,
46:48
but
46:49
in
46:49
hindsight,
46:50
at
46:50
the
46:50
time,
46:51
we
46:51
are
46:51
100
46:51
correct.
46:52
So
46:52
there's
46:52
no
46:52
way
46:53
of
46:53
telling
46:53
us
46:53
differently.
46:54
Yes.
46:55
Dear
46:55
Jawbreaker,
46:56
dear
46:56
you
46:56
is
46:56
an
46:57
incredible
46:57
album.
46:58
You
46:58
were
46:59
wrong.
46:59
Not
46:59
you,
46:59
but
47:00
me.
47:00
I
47:01
was
47:01
wrong
47:01
as
47:01
well.
47:01
I'm
47:02
sorry,
47:02
Jawbreaker.
47:02
Yeah,
47:03
Yeah.
47:03
I
47:03
feel
47:03
like
47:03
we
47:03
could
47:04
go
47:04
down
47:04
a
47:04
whole.
47:05
Because
47:05
not
47:05
only
47:06
the
47:06
gatekeeping
47:06
stuff,
47:07
right.
47:07
Was
47:08
going
47:08
to
47:08
majors,
47:08
it
47:08
was
47:09
when,
47:09
like,
47:09
bands
47:09
broke
47:10
up
47:10
and
47:10
started,
47:12
like,
47:12
side
47:12
projects
47:13
or
47:13
different
47:13
bands,
47:14
right?
47:14
So,
47:15
you
47:15
know,
47:15
it's
47:16
like.
47:16
Like.
47:16
Like
47:16
jets
47:17
to
47:17
Brazil,
47:18
right?
47:18
Like,
47:18
oh,
47:18
well,
47:18
who's
47:19
better?
47:19
You
47:20
know,
47:20
or
47:20
that
47:20
stupid
47:20
argument,
47:21
like,
47:21
who's
47:21
better?
47:21
Minor
47:21
third
47:22
or
47:22
Fugazi
47:23
but
47:23
you
47:23
never.
47:23
You
47:23
like,
47:24
you
47:24
never
47:24
hear
47:24
the
47:24
argument
47:24
like
47:25
who's
47:25
better
47:25
Rights
47:25
to
47:25
spray
47:26
your
47:26
fugazi.
47:27
Right?
47:27
Or
47:27
like,
47:27
you
47:28
know,
47:28
who's
47:28
better?
47:29
Embracer,
47:29
Fugazi
47:30
or
47:30
a
47:30
Con
47:31
Akon
47:31
or
47:31
Minor
47:32
Threat.
47:32
You
47:32
know,
47:32
like
47:33
there's
47:33
all
47:33
these
47:34
things
47:34
at
47:34
least
47:34
people
47:34
have
47:35
been
47:35
in
47:35
and
47:35
you
47:36
know,
47:36
like
47:36
that's
47:36
the
47:36
argument
47:37
when
47:37
really
47:38
like
47:38
they're
47:39
all
47:39
good.
47:39
You
47:40
can
47:40
like
47:40
all
47:40
the
47:40
bands.
47:40
You
47:41
can
47:41
like
47:41
all.
47:41
It's
47:41
okay.
47:42
Like,
47:42
I've
47:42
always
47:42
struggled
47:43
with
47:43
Akon
47:43
a
47:43
little
47:43
bit,
47:44
but.
47:44
But
47:45
you
47:45
know,
47:45
the
47:45
rest
47:45
of
47:45
them,
47:45
the
47:46
rest
47:46
of
47:46
them
47:46
I'm
47:47
into.
47:47
Right.
47:48
Okay.
47:48
So.
47:48
So
47:48
talking
47:49
about
47:49
music
47:49
and
47:49
talking
47:50
about
47:50
all
47:50
this
47:50
now,
47:51
what.
47:51
What
47:52
are
47:52
a
47:52
few
47:52
bands
47:52
that
47:52
you're
47:53
currently
47:53
listening
47:53
to?
47:54
Like
47:54
just,
47:54
just
47:54
in.
47:55
In
47:55
pretty,
47:55
pretty
47:56
frequent
47:57
rotation.
47:58
I'm
47:58
obsessed
47:59
with
47:59
Brutus.
47:59
Do
47:59
you
47:59
know
48:00
Brutus?
48:00
I
48:00
do
48:00
not.
48:01
B
48:02
R
48:02
U
48:02
T
48:02
U
48:02
s.
48:03
Okay.
48:03
They're
48:03
3Ps
48:04
from
48:04
Belgium,
48:06
ironically
48:06
brought
48:07
up
48:07
Converge.
48:08
I
48:08
drove
48:08
up
48:09
to
48:09
South
48:09
Carolina
48:10
and
48:10
Georgia
48:11
to
48:11
see
48:11
them.
48:11
Because
48:11
they're
48:12
from
48:12
Belgium.
48:12
They
48:12
don't
48:13
come
48:13
over
48:13
here
48:13
too
48:13
often.
48:14
They
48:14
opened
48:14
for
48:15
Converge
48:15
on
48:15
that
48:15
tour.
48:16
Okay.
48:16
And.
48:17
But
48:18
they
48:18
are
48:19
melodic,
48:20
kind
48:20
of.
48:21
I
48:21
don't
48:21
know.
48:21
I
48:22
rock,
48:22
rock
48:23
and
48:23
roll.
48:23
Drummer's
48:24
a
48:24
singer.
48:24
Guitar,
48:25
bass,
48:25
just
48:25
a
48:25
three
48:26
piece,
48:26
hooky,
48:27
hooky
48:27
songs,
48:28
extremely
48:28
talented.
48:29
Kind
48:29
of
48:30
a
48:30
lot
48:30
of
48:30
reverb
48:30
delay
48:31
on
48:31
the
48:31
guitar
48:32
pieces.
48:32
So
48:33
really,
48:33
really
48:33
good
48:33
stuff.
48:34
Obsessed,
48:35
Obsessed.
48:35
I
48:35
love
48:36
them
48:36
so,
48:37
so,
48:37
so
48:37
much.
48:39
Trying
48:39
to
48:40
think
48:40
what
48:40
else
48:40
kind
48:40
of
48:41
like
48:41
that.
48:42
The.
48:42
The
48:42
new
48:42
Propagandi
48:43
is
48:43
really,
48:44
really
48:44
good.
48:45
Have
48:46
you
48:46
heard
48:46
that
48:46
yet?
48:46
I
48:46
have
48:46
not.
48:47
I
48:47
will
48:47
write
48:48
it
48:48
down.
48:48
Just.
48:49
Just
48:49
watch.
48:50
Watch
48:50
the
48:50
lyric
48:50
video
48:51
for
48:51
At
48:51
Peace.
48:51
Because
48:52
like
48:52
with
48:52
anything
48:52
Propagandi
48:53
does,
48:53
like
48:54
their
48:54
music
48:54
is
48:54
just
48:55
insane,
48:55
but
48:56
their
48:56
lyrics
48:56
are
48:57
oh
48:57
so
48:57
on
48:57
point
48:58
and
48:59
I
48:59
think
48:59
really
49:00
speaks
49:00
to.
49:00
And
49:00
I
49:00
think
49:00
you
49:01
and
49:01
I
49:01
are
49:01
very
49:01
similar.
49:02
I
49:02
think
49:02
it
49:02
probably
49:03
very.
49:03
It
49:03
really
49:03
speaks
49:04
to
49:04
kind
49:04
of
49:04
how
49:05
we
49:05
feel.
49:05
Okay.
49:06
Right
49:06
now
49:06
in
49:06
this
49:07
general
49:07
kind
49:08
of
49:08
thing
49:08
that
49:08
we're
49:08
doing
49:09
in
49:09
this
49:09
current
49:09
state.
49:10
I
49:10
would
49:10
say
49:11
those.
49:11
And.
49:12
And
49:12
as
49:12
an
49:12
aside,
49:13
and
49:13
I'm
49:13
so,
49:13
so
49:13
sorry
49:14
every
49:14
time
49:15
you
49:15
take
49:15
it
49:15
like
49:15
a,
49:15
like
49:16
a
49:16
clip,
49:17
I
49:17
feel
49:17
like
49:17
I'm
49:18
like
49:18
in
49:18
the
49:18
midst
49:18
of
49:19
doing
49:19
one
49:19
of
49:19
these,
49:19
you
49:20
know,
49:20
And
49:20
I'm
49:20
just
49:21
mouth
49:21
agape.
49:23
Anyway,
49:23
you
49:24
know
49:24
what
49:24
I
49:24
think
49:24
those
49:24
are.
49:25
And
49:25
then
49:25
I
49:25
kind
49:25
of
49:25
just
49:26
go
49:26
backwards.
49:26
I
49:26
still
49:27
like
49:28
listening
49:28
to
49:28
older
49:29
bands
49:29
is.
49:30
Is
49:30
kind
49:30
of
49:30
like
49:30
that
49:31
warm
49:31
blanket.
49:31
It
49:32
just.
49:32
It
49:32
kind
49:33
of
49:33
takes
49:33
you
49:33
to
49:33
a
49:33
time
49:34
and
49:35
do
49:35
that
49:35
to
49:35
me
49:35
now
49:36
more
49:36
than
49:36
ever.
49:37
And
49:37
it's
49:38
kind
49:38
of
49:38
like
49:39
not
49:39
just
49:39
like
49:39
kind
49:40
of
49:40
like,
49:40
oh
49:40
16
49:41
candles
49:41
and
49:41
breakfast
49:42
Club,
49:42
you
49:42
know,
49:42
reminds
49:42
me
49:43
of
49:43
the
49:43
80s.
49:43
It's.
49:43
It's
49:44
kind
49:44
of
49:44
like.
49:44
Do
49:44
you
49:44
ever
49:45
see
49:45
that
49:45
movie
49:45
Angus?
49:46
It
49:46
was
49:46
from
49:46
the
49:46
90s.
49:47
Yes.
49:48
And
49:48
it
49:48
had.
49:49
It
49:49
had
49:49
like,
49:50
more
49:50
like
49:50
sort
49:51
of
49:51
like
49:51
popular
49:52
esque,
49:52
like
49:53
punk
49:53
bands
49:53
on
49:53
it,
49:53
if
49:54
I
49:54
remember
49:54
correctly.
49:54
So
49:54
had
49:55
like,
49:55
like
49:55
Offspring
49:56
and.
49:56
And
49:57
stuff.
49:57
Day
49:58
Weezer,
49:59
I
49:59
think
49:59
the
49:59
Riverdales,
50:00
but
50:00
the
50:00
Muffs
50:01
were
50:01
on
50:01
there
50:02
are
50:02
fantastic.
50:02
Yeah,
50:03
yeah.
50:03
That.
50:03
That
50:03
whole.
50:04
And
50:04
then
50:04
Love
50:04
Spit
50:05
Love,
50:05
which
50:05
was.
50:06
They're
50:06
fantastic.
50:07
And
50:08
so
50:08
it's
50:08
varied.
50:09
And
50:09
then
50:09
I'm
50:10
gonna.
50:10
A
50:10
lot
50:10
of
50:11
people
50:11
annoyed
50:11
with
50:11
this
50:11
comment.
50:12
I
50:12
will
50:12
live
50:13
and
50:13
die
50:13
and
50:13
say
50:13
that
50:14
Goo
50:14
Goo
50:14
Dolls
50:15
are
50:15
incredible.
50:16
But
50:17
earlier,
50:18
Goo
50:18
Goo
50:18
Dolls,
50:18
for
50:19
me
50:19
personally.
50:19
Well,
50:19
they
50:20
were
50:20
on
50:20
Metal
50:20
Blade.
50:21
Yes,
50:21
thank
50:22
you.
50:22
Okay.
50:22
Exactly.
50:23
So
50:24
just
50:24
for
50:25
me,
50:25
when
50:25
their
50:25
guitars
50:26
were
50:26
a
50:26
little
50:26
bit
50:26
more
50:26
distorted,
50:28
I.
50:29
I
50:29
love
50:29
that
50:30
band
50:30
from
50:30
that
50:30
area.
50:30
Superstar
50:31
Car
50:31
Washes
50:32
is
50:32
incredible.
50:32
And
50:33
then
50:33
Hold
50:33
Me
50:33
up
50:33
is
50:33
incredible.
50:34
So
50:35
anybody
50:35
who
50:35
would
50:35
not
50:36
give
50:36
them
50:36
a
50:36
chance
50:36
if
50:36
anybody
50:37
was
50:37
being
50:37
gatekeepy.
50:37
Because
50:38
Goo
50:38
Goo
50:38
Dolls
50:38
are
50:38
Goo
50:38
Goo
50:39
Dolls.
50:39
Listen
50:40
to
50:40
those
50:40
records.
50:41
If
50:41
you
50:42
like,
50:42
like
50:42
the
50:42
Replacements,
50:43
there's
50:44
no
50:44
reason
50:44
you
50:44
would
50:44
not
50:45
like
50:45
Hold
50:45
Me
50:45
Up.
50:45
Yeah.
50:46
Or
50:46
even
50:46
Superstar
50:47
Car
50:47
Wash.
50:47
Those
50:47
songs
50:47
are
50:48
incredible.
50:48
And
50:48
Paul
50:48
Westerberg,
50:49
I
50:49
think
50:49
is
50:49
even
50:49
on.
50:50
On
50:50
the
50:50
Superstar
50:51
Car
50:51
Wash,
50:51
if
50:52
you
50:52
like
50:52
that
50:52
stuff.
50:52
Cool.
50:53
But
50:54
don't
50:54
be
50:54
Gabe
50:54
Keepy.
50:55
Try
50:55
it.
50:55
But
50:56
yeah,
50:56
that's
50:56
kind
50:56
of
50:56
what
50:57
I'm
50:57
listening
50:57
to
50:57
these
50:58
days.
50:58
It's
50:58
just
50:58
soundtracks
50:59
and
51:00
then
51:00
Brutus
51:01
Propagandi
51:02
and
51:02
then
51:02
like
51:02
just
51:03
kind
51:03
of
51:03
older
51:03
stuff.
51:04
But
51:05
yeah,
51:05
awesome.
51:05
So
51:06
I've
51:06
been
51:06
listening
51:06
to
51:07
this
51:08
band
51:08
called
51:08
Nasty.
51:09
They're
51:09
out
51:09
of
51:10
German.
51:10
I
51:10
think
51:10
they're
51:11
out
51:11
of
51:11
Germany,
51:11
but
51:12
just.
51:12
Yeah,
51:12
you
51:12
know,
51:12
it's
51:13
like
51:13
hardcore.
51:14
But
51:14
like,
51:15
just.
51:15
I
51:15
saw
51:15
them
51:16
live
51:16
about
51:16
a
51:16
month
51:17
ago.
51:18
They
51:18
were
51:18
on
51:19
tour
51:19
with
51:19
Haywire.
51:20
Oh,
51:21
cool.
51:21
Okay.
51:21
Yeah.
51:22
And
51:23
if
51:23
you're
51:23
not
51:23
listening,
51:24
like,
51:24
if
51:24
you've
51:24
never
51:25
seen
51:25
Haywire
51:25
live,
51:26
I
51:27
have.
51:27
They
51:27
are
51:27
amazing.
51:28
God,
51:28
like,
51:29
dude
51:29
has
51:29
some
51:30
energy
51:30
and
51:31
amazing
51:31
live
51:32
show.
51:32
But
51:33
anyway,
51:33
Nasty
51:34
was.
51:34
Nasty
51:34
was
51:34
on
51:35
tour
51:35
with
51:35
them
51:35
through,
51:35
like,
51:36
you
51:36
know,
51:36
a
51:36
little
51:36
stint
51:36
they
51:37
just
51:37
did.
51:37
I
51:38
was
51:38
just
51:38
really,
51:38
really
51:39
impressed
51:39
by
51:39
them.
51:40
So
51:41
I've
51:41
been
51:41
listening
51:41
to
51:41
them
51:41
quite
51:42
a
51:42
bit.
51:42
And
51:43
then
51:43
I've
51:43
been
51:43
listening
51:43
to
51:44
this
51:44
band
51:44
out
51:45
of,
51:45
I'm
51:46
going
51:46
to
51:46
say
51:46
the
51:46
United
51:47
Kingdom.
51:47
Like,
51:48
I
51:48
know
51:48
they're
51:48
from
51:48
that
51:48
island
51:49
somewhere.
51:49
I
51:50
just
51:50
don't
51:50
know
51:50
where.
51:52
Not
51:52
like,
51:53
not.
51:55
Not
51:56
punk,
51:56
hardcore,
51:57
nothing
51:58
like
51:59
that.
51:59
They're
51:59
called
51:59
Hen
52:00
Ogled.
52:01
It's
52:01
like
52:01
H
52:01
E
52:01
N
52:02
and
52:02
then
52:03
O,
52:03
G
52:03
L
52:03
E
52:04
D
52:04
D.
52:05
Okay.
52:05
They're
52:06
this.
52:06
It's
52:07
almost
52:07
like
52:08
if
52:09
Throbbing
52:09
Gristle.
52:10
Listen.
52:11
Was
52:11
heavily
52:12
influenced
52:13
by,
52:14
like,
52:14
Duran
52:15
Duran
52:16
and
52:16
the
52:17
Proclaimers
52:19
and
52:19
Weezer.
52:20
Okay,
52:21
okay.
52:21
And
52:21
that.
52:21
That
52:22
isn't
52:22
a
52:22
good
52:22
description
52:23
of
52:23
it
52:23
at
52:23
all,
52:24
but
52:25
the
52:25
first
52:25
time
52:25
I
52:26
heard
52:26
one
52:26
of
52:26
their
52:26
songs,
52:27
it's
52:27
a
52:28
great
52:28
song,
52:28
but
52:28
it
52:28
just
52:29
made
52:29
me,
52:29
like.
52:30
It
52:30
made
52:30
me
52:30
uncomfortable.
52:31
Just
52:31
like.
52:31
Like,
52:32
there's
52:33
something
52:33
with
52:33
the
52:33
time
52:33
signatures.
52:34
It
52:34
just.
52:35
Okay.
52:35
It
52:35
doesn't
52:36
sit
52:36
easily
52:37
with
52:37
me,
52:37
but
52:38
I
52:38
love
52:38
it.
52:38
And
52:39
they
52:39
have
52:39
a
52:39
new
52:39
album
52:39
coming
52:39
out
52:40
soon,
52:40
so
52:40
they've
52:40
sort
52:40
of
52:40
been
52:40
dropped.
52:41
Like,
52:41
they've
52:41
had
52:41
this
52:42
very
52:42
long
52:42
release
52:43
of,
52:43
like,
52:43
One
52:43
Song
52:43
at
52:43
a
52:44
time.
52:44
But
52:44
the
52:44
first
52:45
song
52:45
I
52:45
heard
52:45
from
52:46
them
52:46
is
52:46
off
52:46
this
52:47
new
52:47
album
52:47
that's
52:47
coming
52:47
out.
52:48
It
52:48
may
52:48
have
52:48
come
52:48
out
52:49
now,
52:49
but
52:49
it's
52:50
coming
52:50
out
52:50
sometime
52:50
in
52:50
mid
52:51
February.
52:52
But
52:52
it's
52:52
called
52:52
Scales
52:52
Will
52:53
Fall
52:53
and
52:54
they
52:54
have
52:54
a
52:54
video
52:54
for
52:54
it.
52:55
It's
52:55
like.
52:55
It's
52:55
almost
52:55
as
52:56
if
52:56
a
52:56
bunch
52:57
of
52:57
kids
52:57
who
52:57
are
52:57
in
52:58
high
52:58
school
52:58
got
52:58
their
52:59
dad
52:59
to
52:59
come,
52:59
like,
53:00
film
53:00
this
53:00
video
53:01
for
53:01
them.
53:02
And
53:02
so
53:02
it's
53:03
all
53:03
these
53:03
kids
53:04
who
53:04
just
53:05
went
53:05
through
53:05
their
53:05
house
53:05
and
53:06
dressed
53:06
up
53:06
like
53:07
medieval
53:08
fighters
53:09
and
53:10
are
53:10
having
53:10
this
53:10
battle
53:12
somewhere
53:13
on
53:13
the
53:13
island
53:14
out
53:14
there.
53:14
And.
53:15
But
53:15
the
53:15
lyrics
53:16
and
53:16
the
53:16
person
53:16
singing
53:17
are
53:17
just.
53:17
I
53:17
mean,
53:18
it's
53:18
just
53:19
amazing
53:19
and
53:20
really.
53:20
Just
53:20
really
53:20
good.
53:21
And
53:21
there's,
53:22
like.
53:22
There's
53:23
a
53:23
harp
53:23
player
53:24
and.
53:24
Yeah,
53:25
like,
53:25
the
53:26
second
53:26
song
53:26
they
53:26
dropped
53:27
was
53:27
called
53:27
Clara.
53:29
And
53:29
that's
53:29
where,
53:29
like,
53:30
the
53:30
Throbbing
53:30
Gristle
53:31
comes
53:31
into
53:31
it
53:31
because
53:31
it's
53:32
like
53:32
they're
53:32
going
53:32
through
53:33
this
53:33
song.
53:35
You
53:35
have
53:35
to
53:35
watch
53:35
the
53:35
video
53:36
with
53:36
it,
53:36
too.
53:36
They're
53:37
very
53:37
much
53:37
more
53:38
like
53:39
a
53:39
perf
53:41
performance.
53:41
Adds.
53:42
Adds
53:42
a
53:42
lot
53:43
to
53:43
the
53:43
song.
53:45
And
53:45
the
53:46
song's
53:46
going
53:46
on
53:47
and,
53:47
like,
53:48
there's
53:48
this
53:48
weird
53:48
horse
53:49
going
53:49
around.
53:51
Or
53:51
like,
53:51
people
53:51
dress
53:52
up
53:52
like
53:52
a
53:52
horse,
53:53
and
53:53
then,
53:54
like,
53:54
all
53:54
of
53:54
a
53:54
sudden,
53:55
like,
53:55
the
53:55
song
53:55
will
53:55
stop
53:56
and
53:56
looks
53:56
like
53:57
Clara
53:58
and
53:58
then
53:58
the
53:58
song
53:58
will
53:59
start.
53:59
And
53:59
Clara
54:00
definitely
54:00
is
54:00
not
54:00
as
54:00
good
54:01
as.
54:01
As
54:01
Scales
54:02
Will
54:02
Fall.
54:02
But,
54:03
yeah.
54:03
So,
54:03
anyway,
54:04
so
54:04
I
54:04
visit
54:04
those
54:04
two
54:05
bands,
54:05
and
54:05
then
54:05
I've
54:06
also
54:06
been
54:06
going
54:06
back
54:07
and
54:07
listening
54:07
to
54:07
a
54:07
lot
54:07
of,
54:08
like,
54:08
Sinedo
54:08
Connor.
54:09
Okay.
54:10
And.
54:10
And
54:10
very
54:10
much
54:10
like
54:11
I
54:11
was
54:11
talking
54:11
about
54:12
earlier,
54:12
sort
54:12
of
54:12
doing
54:12
this
54:12
deep
54:13
dive
54:13
into
54:13
Kim
54:14
Adaweek,
54:15
dive
54:15
into
54:16
S
54:16
O
54:17
Conor.
54:17
Just
54:17
could
54:17
have
54:17
been
54:18
really
54:18
a
54:18
long
54:18
time
54:19
since
54:19
I.
54:19
I
54:19
really
54:19
listened
54:20
to
54:20
her
54:20
stuff.
54:20
And
54:20
holy
54:21
smokes,
54:21
does
54:22
she
54:22
has
54:22
just
54:23
solid,
54:23
solid
54:24
music,
54:25
you
54:25
know,
54:26
beyond
54:26
just
54:26
what
54:26
was
54:27
played
54:27
on
54:27
the
54:27
radio.
54:28
So,
54:28
like,
54:29
Queen
54:29
of
54:29
Denmark
54:29
is
54:30
a
54:30
spectacular
54:30
song.
54:31
Like,
54:31
Black
54:32
Boys
54:32
on
54:32
Mopeds,
54:34
like,
54:34
still.
54:35
Still
54:36
irrelevant
54:36
song.
54:39
God.
54:39
Just.
54:39
I
54:40
mean,
54:40
and
54:40
she
54:40
just.
54:42
We
54:42
weren't
54:42
worthy
54:43
of
54:43
Sinead
54:44
o'.
54:44
Connor.
54:45
Like
54:45
I
54:45
just.
54:46
What
54:46
a
54:46
spectacular
54:48
musician.
54:51
Okay,
54:52
so
54:53
next
54:53
question
54:54
is,
54:55
what
54:55
do
54:55
you
54:55
think
54:56
people
54:56
should
54:56
be
54:56
listening
54:57
to?
54:57
Like
54:58
a
54:58
band
54:58
that
54:58
went
54:58
under
54:58
the
54:59
radar
54:59
a
54:59
little
54:59
bit?
54:59
Sure.
55:00
More
55:00
like
55:01
bands
55:01
that
55:01
are
55:01
that,
55:01
that
55:02
like
55:02
should
55:02
be
55:02
relevant
55:03
to
55:03
like
55:03
the
55:04
time
55:04
and
55:04
just
55:04
like,
55:05
hey,
55:05
like
55:05
even
55:06
though
55:06
I'm
55:06
not
55:06
listening
55:06
to
55:06
them
55:07
right
55:07
now,
55:07
you
55:07
should
55:07
check
55:07
this
55:08
band
55:08
out
55:08
or
55:09
you
55:09
know,
55:09
or,
55:09
or
55:09
whatever.
55:10
Or
55:10
like
55:10
maybe
55:10
you
55:10
have
55:11
some
55:11
friends
55:11
in
55:11
a
55:12
band
55:12
and
55:12
they're
55:12
like,
55:12
hey,
55:12
you
55:13
know
55:13
what?
55:13
My
55:13
buddies
55:13
are
55:14
this
55:14
band
55:14
and
55:15
they're
55:15
good
55:15
and
55:15
everybody
55:16
should
55:16
know
55:16
about
55:16
them.
55:16
How
55:17
you
55:17
want
55:17
to
55:17
define
55:18
that
55:18
question?
55:19
Go
55:19
for
55:19
it.
55:19
There's.
55:20
I'm
55:20
gonna,
55:20
I'm
55:20
gonna,
55:20
I
55:21
think
55:21
two
55:21
bands
55:22
that
55:22
people
55:22
should
55:22
definitely
55:23
listen
55:23
to
55:24
lyrically.
55:25
One
55:25
of
55:26
them
55:26
is
55:26
called
55:26
the
55:26
Levelers.
55:27
They're
55:27
from
55:27
the
55:28
uk.
55:30
They
55:30
are
55:31
like,
55:34
I
55:34
don't
55:34
know
55:34
if
55:35
they're
55:35
full
55:35
on
55:35
anarchist,
55:35
but
55:36
they
55:36
are
55:36
definitely
55:37
very
55:38
left,
55:38
left
55:39
leaning
55:40
folk
55:41
acoustic
55:42
punk.
55:43
So
55:43
if
55:43
you
55:44
enjoy
55:45
things
55:45
like
55:46
Frank
55:46
Turner.
55:47
Frank
55:48
Turner,
55:49
like
55:49
I
55:49
don't
55:49
know
55:49
if
55:50
I
55:50
can't
55:50
speak
55:50
for
55:50
the
55:50
men.
55:51
I
55:51
can't
55:51
say
55:51
if
55:51
he
55:52
would
55:52
say
55:52
he
55:52
was
55:53
influenced
55:53
by
55:53
them,
55:54
but
55:54
I
55:54
definitely
55:55
hear
55:55
influence
55:55
of
55:56
them.
55:56
Lyrically
55:56
they
55:57
are
55:57
100,
55:58
like
55:58
where
55:58
we
55:58
are
55:58
at
55:59
right
55:59
now.
56:00
Check
56:00
out
56:00
a
56:00
weapon
56:01
called
56:01
the
56:01
Word.
56:02
It's
56:02
like
56:02
an
56:02
early
56:02
album
56:03
as
56:03
a
56:03
good
56:03
kind
56:04
of
56:04
starting
56:04
point,
56:04
their
56:05
big
56:05
album
56:05
because
56:05
they
56:06
were,
56:06
they
56:06
actually
56:06
had
56:06
some
56:07
mid-90s
56:07
success.
56:08
Their
56:08
big
56:08
album
56:08
was
56:08
called
56:09
Leveling
56:09
the
56:09
Land.
56:10
So
56:10
that's
56:10
where
56:10
the
56:10
hits
56:11
are.
56:11
But
56:11
I
56:11
would
56:11
start
56:12
with
56:12
a
56:12
weapon
56:12
called
56:12
the
56:12
Word.
56:13
Propagandi
56:13
is
56:14
another
56:14
one,
56:14
of
56:14
course.
56:14
Just
56:15
lyrically
56:15
I,
56:16
I
56:16
think
56:16
is
56:16
a
56:16
good
56:16
place.
56:17
And
56:17
then
56:18
of
56:18
two
56:19
bands
56:19
that
56:19
I
56:19
think
56:19
I,
56:20
I,
56:20
I
56:21
wish
56:21
would
56:21
get
56:22
bigger
56:22
so
56:22
I
56:22
could
56:23
have
56:23
more
56:23
music
56:23
by
56:23
them.
56:24
Do
56:24
you
56:24
like
56:24
Fleshwater?
56:24
Do
56:25
you
56:25
know
56:25
them?
56:26
Okay.
56:27
Flushwater
56:28
is
56:28
getting
56:28
big
56:29
so
56:29
I,
56:29
I
56:30
think
56:30
they're
56:30
doing
56:31
just
56:31
fine
56:31
on
56:31
their
56:31
own.
56:31
They're
56:32
playing
56:32
like,
56:32
like
56:33
Fya
56:33
fest.
56:34
Like
56:34
they're.
56:34
I
56:35
just
56:35
saw
56:35
them
56:36
here
56:36
in
56:36
town
56:37
last
56:37
year
56:37
and
56:38
the
56:38
crowd
56:39
was
56:39
big.
56:39
It
56:39
was
56:39
awesome.
56:40
So
56:40
you
56:41
got
56:41
one
56:41
kind
56:41
of
56:42
rough
56:42
vocals
56:43
and
56:43
you
56:43
have
56:43
a,
56:43
a
56:44
clean
56:44
female
56:45
singer
56:45
and
56:45
her
56:46
voice
56:46
is
56:46
angelic.
56:47
It's
56:47
amazing.
56:48
I
56:48
mentioned
56:49
them
56:49
because
56:50
as
56:50
I
56:50
said,
56:50
they're
56:50
kind
56:50
of
56:51
getting
56:51
bigger.
56:51
There's
56:52
a
56:52
band
56:52
that
56:52
I
56:52
love,
56:53
love,
56:53
love
56:53
called
56:54
the
56:54
Darling
56:54
Fire.
56:55
And
56:56
beautiful
56:56
clean
56:56
vocals,
56:57
but
56:57
like
56:58
intricate
56:58
music,
56:59
heavy
57:00
parts.
57:01
It
57:01
has
57:01
the
57:02
drummer
57:02
Further
57:02
seems
57:03
forever.
57:03
If
57:04
you
57:04
were
57:04
ever
57:04
a
57:04
dashboard
57:05
person.
57:05
Have
57:05
you
57:06
ever
57:06
listened
57:06
to
57:06
Dashboard
57:06
Confessional?
57:07
So
57:07
on
57:07
those
57:08
first
57:08
two
57:08
records
57:09
he
57:09
had
57:09
a
57:10
female
57:10
singer
57:11
doing
57:11
backups,
57:11
like
57:12
the
57:12
callbacks
57:12
on
57:12
some
57:12
of
57:13
the
57:13
songs.
57:13
That's
57:14
her.
57:14
Okay.
57:15
So
57:15
her
57:16
name
57:16
is
57:16
Jolie.
57:18
That.
57:19
I
57:19
love
57:19
that
57:19
band.
57:20
And
57:20
they're.
57:20
I
57:21
want
57:21
to
57:21
say,
57:21
their
57:21
most
57:21
recent
57:22
record,
57:22
it's
57:23
been
57:23
out
57:23
for
57:23
a
57:23
few
57:23
years.
57:24
It's
57:24
incredible.
57:25
So
57:25
I
57:25
want
57:25
people
57:26
to
57:26
like
57:26
that.
57:26
So
57:27
please
57:27
listen
57:27
to
57:27
it
57:27
and
57:28
then
57:28
make
57:28
them
57:29
huge
57:29
so
57:29
they
57:29
make
57:29
more
57:30
records.
57:30
And
57:30
then
57:31
lastly,
57:31
do
57:32
you
57:32
like
57:32
Wilco
57:33
and
57:33
that
57:33
kind
57:33
of
57:33
stuff,
57:34
like,
57:34
Jeff
57:34
Tweedy
57:34
stuff,
57:35
You
57:35
know,
57:35
I
57:36
really
57:36
want
57:37
to
57:37
like
57:37
Wilco.
57:38
And
57:39
I
57:39
don't.
57:40
I
57:40
don't
57:41
like.
57:41
Like,
57:42
there
57:42
are
57:42
a
57:42
couple
57:42
songs
57:44
that
57:44
are
57:45
really,
57:46
really
57:46
great.
57:46
Like,
57:47
they
57:47
released
57:47
one
57:47
song
57:48
during
57:48
the
57:48
pandemic.
57:49
Like,
57:49
Love
57:50
is
57:50
Everywhere.
57:51
I
57:52
mean,
57:52
spectacular
57:53
song.
57:54
My
57:54
biggest
57:54
problem
57:54
with
57:55
Wilco
57:55
is
57:55
I've
57:56
seen
57:56
them
57:56
live
57:56
a
57:56
couple
57:57
times
57:58
and
57:58
they
57:58
just
57:59
bore
58:00
the
58:00
piss
58:00
out
58:00
of
58:00
me,
58:01
like,
58:01
and.
58:02
And
58:02
so
58:02
when
58:02
I'm
58:02
listening
58:02
to
58:03
their
58:03
music,
58:03
like,
58:04
I.
58:04
I
58:04
can't
58:05
get
58:05
the
58:05
boredom
58:06
out
58:06
of
58:06
my
58:06
head,
58:07
you
58:07
know?
58:08
And
58:08
also,
58:08
like,
58:08
when.
58:08
When
58:08
I.
58:09
When
58:09
I
58:09
see
58:09
music
58:09
live,
58:10
it
58:11
just
58:11
goes
58:11
back
58:11
to
58:11
that
58:11
consumption
58:12
part.
58:13
When
58:13
I
58:13
see
58:13
music
58:14
live,
58:14
like,
58:14
I
58:14
don't.
58:15
I
58:15
don't
58:15
care
58:15
about
58:16
hearing
58:17
a
58:17
song
58:17
note
58:18
for
58:18
note.
58:18
Like,
58:18
I
58:19
want
58:19
to
58:19
feel
58:19
something,
58:20
you
58:20
know?
58:21
And
58:21
so
58:21
I
58:21
want
58:21
passion
58:22
and
58:22
I
58:22
want
58:23
emotion,
58:24
and
58:24
I
58:24
just
58:25
don't.
58:25
Like,
58:25
I
58:26
personally.
58:27
I
58:27
know
58:27
there's
58:28
thousands,
58:28
if
58:28
not
58:28
millions
58:29
of
58:29
people
58:29
in
58:29
the
58:29
world
58:29
who
58:30
are
58:30
going
58:30
to
58:30
disagree
58:30
with
58:30
me,
58:31
but
58:31
I
58:31
personally
58:32
don't
58:33
feel
58:33
that
58:33
emotion
58:34
or
58:34
passion
58:34
when
58:35
I'm.
58:35
When
58:35
I'm
58:35
seeing
58:36
them
58:36
live.
58:37
Like,
58:37
I
58:37
get
58:37
the
58:37
feeling
58:38
like,
58:38
we
58:38
need
58:39
money
58:39
and
58:39
so
58:39
we're
58:39
on
58:40
tour
58:40
to
58:40
make
58:40
money
58:41
and
58:41
this
58:41
is
58:41
our
58:42
job.
58:42
That's
58:43
not
58:43
saying
58:43
they
58:43
are
58:43
not
58:44
amazing
58:44
musicians.
58:45
They're
58:45
great
58:45
songwriters,
58:46
whatever.
58:47
Like
58:47
I
58:48
said
58:48
at
58:48
the
58:48
beginning,
58:48
I
58:49
really
58:49
want
58:50
to
58:50
like
58:50
them.
58:51
There's
58:51
a
58:51
couple
58:51
songs
58:52
that
58:52
are
58:52
just
58:53
amazing.
58:53
I
58:53
really
58:54
like
58:54
the
58:54
album
58:54
they
58:55
did
58:55
with
58:56
Billy
58:56
Bragg,
58:58
but
58:58
that's
58:58
because
58:58
they
58:58
did
58:59
it
58:59
with
58:59
Billy
58:59
Bragg,
58:59
and
58:59
I'm
59:00
a
59:00
huge
59:00
Billy
59:00
Bragg
59:01
fan.
59:02
Incredible,
59:02
obviously.
59:03
But.
59:04
But
59:04
regardless,
59:05
I
59:05
don't
59:05
want
59:05
to
59:05
take
59:05
away
59:06
from
59:06
whatever
59:06
you
59:06
were
59:06
about
59:06
to
59:07
say,
59:07
because
59:07
I'm
59:07
sure.
59:07
Oh,
59:08
so
59:08
I
59:08
was
59:08
gonna
59:09
say
59:09
I
59:09
was.
59:09
I
59:10
was
59:10
setting
59:10
myself
59:10
up,
59:10
actually,
59:11
so.
59:11
All
59:12
right,
59:12
so
59:12
fans
59:12
of
59:13
Wilco,
59:13
and
59:14
then
59:14
I'm
59:14
gonna
59:14
back
59:14
up
59:14
a
59:14
second.
59:15
So
59:15
I
59:15
love,
59:15
love,
59:16
love
59:16
this
59:16
band
59:16
called
59:16
Game
59:17
Face.
59:17
They
59:17
were
59:17
on
59:18
Revelation
59:18
for
59:18
a
59:19
while.
59:19
I
59:19
remember
59:19
that.
59:20
And
59:20
then
59:20
they.
59:21
They
59:21
put
59:21
out.
59:22
I
59:22
think
59:22
it
59:22
was
59:22
on
59:22
Rise
59:23
Records,
59:23
sort
59:24
of
59:24
like
59:24
a
59:24
reunion
59:24
record,
59:25
which
59:25
I
59:25
think
59:25
is
59:26
perfect.
59:26
And
59:26
my
59:26
favorite
59:27
record
59:27
by
59:27
them,
59:28
which
59:28
really,
59:28
I
59:29
Mean.
59:29
And
59:29
just
59:30
be
59:30
perfectly
59:30
honest.
59:31
When
59:32
is
59:32
the
59:32
most
59:33
recent
59:33
album
59:34
by
59:34
a
59:34
band
59:34
you
59:34
love
59:34
your
59:35
favorite
59:35
record?
59:35
It's
59:36
always
59:36
like
59:37
it
59:37
to
59:37
me.
59:37
Like
59:38
the
59:38
first
59:38
record
59:38
that
59:39
you
59:39
heard
59:39
by
59:39
them
59:40
and
59:40
then
59:40
you
59:40
kind
59:41
of
59:41
like,
59:41
oh,
59:41
that
59:41
record's
59:41
good.
59:43
The
59:43
album's
59:43
called
59:44
now
59:44
is
59:44
what
59:44
Matters
59:44
Now.
59:44
But
59:45
anyway.
59:45
But.
59:45
But.
59:46
So
59:46
if
59:46
you
59:46
want
59:46
to
59:46
check
59:46
that
59:47
one
59:47
out,
59:47
it's
59:48
great
59:48
melodic,
59:49
great
59:49
songwriting.
59:50
But
59:50
the
59:50
singer,
59:51
Jeff
59:51
Cottle
59:52
has
59:52
another
59:52
band
59:52
called
59:53
Locoast
59:54
which
59:54
if
59:55
you
59:55
like
59:55
kind
59:55
of
59:56
more
59:57
acoustic
59:58
kind
59:58
of
59:58
rock
59:59
alternative
59:59
stuff,
1:00:00
kind
1:00:00
of
1:00:00
in
1:00:00
the
1:00:00
vein
1:00:00
of
1:00:01
Wilco
1:00:01
Ish.
1:00:02
But
1:00:02
I
1:00:02
love
1:00:02
Jeff's
1:00:03
voice
1:00:03
so
1:00:03
much.
1:00:03
It's
1:00:04
beautiful.
1:00:05
The
1:00:05
songwriting
1:00:05
is
1:00:05
fantastic.
1:00:06
Go
1:00:06
check
1:00:07
out
1:00:07
Locoast.
1:00:08
All
1:00:08
right.
1:00:08
That's
1:00:08
it.
1:00:08
That's
1:00:09
all
1:00:09
my
1:00:09
recommendations.
1:00:09
Cool.
1:00:10
Okay.
1:00:10
I'm
1:00:11
going
1:00:11
to
1:00:11
throw
1:00:11
one
1:00:11
out
1:00:11
there.
1:00:12
Sure.
1:00:12
The
1:00:12
band's
1:00:13
called
1:00:13
1876.
1:00:14
Okay.
1:00:15
So
1:00:15
it's
1:00:16
a
1:00:16
native
1:00:16
band
1:00:17
and.
1:00:18
And
1:00:18
I
1:00:18
don't
1:00:19
want
1:00:19
to
1:00:19
get
1:00:19
their
1:00:19
tribes
1:00:19
wrong.
1:00:20
They're
1:00:20
from.
1:00:20
I
1:00:21
believe
1:00:21
they're
1:00:21
from
1:00:21
the
1:00:21
Blackfoot
1:00:22
Reservation
1:00:23
and
1:00:23
I
1:00:23
believe
1:00:24
it's.
1:00:24
They
1:00:25
have
1:00:25
members
1:00:26
of
1:00:26
both
1:00:27
the
1:00:27
Blackfoot
1:00:27
Nation
1:00:28
and
1:00:29
Cheyenne.
1:00:30
I'm
1:00:30
pretty
1:00:30
sure
1:00:30
that's
1:00:30
it.
1:00:31
And
1:00:31
I
1:00:31
could
1:00:31
be
1:00:31
wrong.
1:00:32
If
1:00:32
I'm
1:00:32
wrong,
1:00:32
I
1:00:32
apologize.
1:00:33
Go
1:00:33
check
1:00:33
them
1:00:34
out.
1:00:34
Let.
1:00:34
But
1:00:34
they
1:00:35
are.
1:00:35
They're
1:00:36
sort
1:00:36
of
1:00:36
all
1:00:36
over
1:00:37
the
1:00:37
board,
1:00:37
punk
1:00:38
wise.
1:00:38
Like.
1:00:38
Like,
1:00:39
you
1:00:39
know,
1:00:39
very
1:00:40
mostly
1:00:41
that.
1:00:41
Very
1:00:41
just
1:00:42
traditional.
1:00:43
Like
1:00:43
if
1:00:43
I
1:00:43
were
1:00:43
to
1:00:44
say
1:00:44
punk
1:00:44
to
1:00:44
you,
1:00:44
like
1:00:45
the
1:00:45
first
1:00:45
thing
1:00:45
that
1:00:45
pops
1:00:46
in
1:00:46
your
1:00:46
head.
1:00:46
Sort
1:00:46
of
1:00:46
rancid.
1:00:47
Rancid
1:00:48
esque.
1:00:49
Right.
1:00:49
But
1:00:49
they
1:00:50
make
1:00:50
some
1:00:50
Scott
1:00:51
in.
1:00:51
They
1:00:51
make
1:00:51
some
1:00:51
hardcore
1:00:52
in
1:00:52
like
1:00:53
there's
1:00:53
some
1:00:53
good
1:00:53
sing
1:00:54
alongs.
1:00:54
A
1:00:55
lot
1:00:55
of
1:00:55
their
1:00:55
lyrics
1:00:55
are
1:00:56
very
1:00:56
much
1:00:56
about
1:00:56
like
1:00:56
sort
1:00:57
of
1:00:57
being
1:00:57
native
1:00:57
in
1:00:57
that
1:00:58
and
1:00:58
that
1:00:58
and
1:00:58
the
1:00:59
stuff
1:00:59
that
1:00:59
just
1:01:00
goes
1:01:00
along
1:01:01
with
1:01:01
that
1:01:01
in
1:01:01
this.
1:01:01
In
1:01:02
this
1:01:02
country
1:01:02
and
1:01:02
in
1:01:02
this
1:01:03
world.
1:01:03
But
1:01:04
just
1:01:04
a
1:01:04
lot
1:01:04
of
1:01:04
it.
1:01:05
And
1:01:05
they
1:01:05
say
1:01:05
they
1:01:05
like.
1:01:06
They.
1:01:06
They
1:01:06
sing
1:01:07
in
1:01:07
English
1:01:07
but
1:01:07
they
1:01:07
also
1:01:08
sing
1:01:08
in
1:01:09
their
1:01:09
native
1:01:09
languages
1:01:10
as
1:01:10
well.
1:01:11
And
1:01:11
they'll
1:01:11
mix
1:01:12
it
1:01:12
all
1:01:12
up
1:01:12
within
1:01:12
a
1:01:13
song,
1:01:13
you
1:01:13
know.
1:01:13
And
1:01:14
then
1:01:14
they
1:01:14
play
1:01:14
guitarist
1:01:14
and
1:01:14
all
1:01:15
that.
1:01:15
But
1:01:15
they
1:01:15
also
1:01:16
have
1:01:16
more
1:01:17
like
1:01:17
their
1:01:18
traditional
1:01:18
drums
1:01:18
as
1:01:19
well.
1:01:19
It's
1:01:20
just
1:01:20
great.
1:01:20
It's
1:01:20
catchy.
1:01:21
There's
1:01:21
a
1:01:21
lot
1:01:21
of
1:01:22
heart
1:01:22
in
1:01:22
it.
1:01:22
That's
1:01:23
awesome.
1:01:23
Yeah,
1:01:23
that's.
1:01:24
Yeah.
1:01:24
1876.
1:01:25
That's
1:01:25
the
1:01:25
number
1:01:26
1,
1:01:26
8,
1:01:26
7,
1:01:27
6.
1:01:27
I'll
1:01:27
check
1:01:28
them
1:01:28
out.
1:01:28
That
1:01:28
sounds
1:01:28
awesome.
1:01:28
Okay,
1:01:29
last
1:01:29
question
1:01:30
is.
1:01:30
So
1:01:31
let's
1:01:31
say,
1:01:31
you
1:01:31
know,
1:01:32
a
1:01:32
kid
1:01:32
is
1:01:33
listening
1:01:33
to
1:01:33
this
1:01:34
in
1:01:35
middle
1:01:36
of
1:01:36
Heart
1:01:37
of
1:01:37
Deep
1:01:37
Red,
1:01:38
Florida
1:01:39
and
1:01:39
they
1:01:39
are
1:01:40
like
1:01:40
us.
1:01:41
What
1:01:41
are
1:01:41
your
1:01:42
words
1:01:42
of
1:01:43
encouragement
1:01:44
to
1:01:44
them?
1:01:45
It
1:01:45
always
1:01:45
gets
1:01:46
better.
1:01:46
It.
1:01:47
I.
1:01:47
I
1:01:47
like
1:01:48
the.
1:01:49
The
1:01:49
what
1:01:49
I
1:01:50
was
1:01:50
experiencing,
1:01:50
you
1:01:51
know,
1:01:51
when
1:01:51
I
1:01:51
was
1:01:51
in
1:01:51
high
1:01:51
school
1:01:53
compared
1:01:54
to
1:01:54
just
1:01:54
a
1:01:54
few
1:01:55
years
1:01:55
later.
1:01:55
And
1:01:56
then
1:01:56
compared
1:01:56
to
1:01:56
just
1:01:57
a
1:01:57
few
1:01:57
years
1:01:57
later
1:01:57
after
1:01:57
that,
1:01:58
you
1:01:58
become
1:01:58
more
1:01:59
confident.
1:01:59
You'll
1:02:00
become
1:02:00
more
1:02:00
sure
1:02:01
of
1:02:01
yourself.
1:02:01
But
1:02:02
if
1:02:02
you
1:02:02
find
1:02:03
yourself
1:02:03
in
1:02:03
a
1:02:03
tough
1:02:04
spot,
1:02:04
find
1:02:05
your
1:02:05
community
1:02:06
in
1:02:06
whatever
1:02:07
your
1:02:07
interests
1:02:08
are.
1:02:08
It's
1:02:09
music
1:02:09
or
1:02:10
punk
1:02:10
rock
1:02:10
or
1:02:11
hardcore
1:02:11
or
1:02:12
theater
1:02:12
or
1:02:13
record
1:02:14
collecting
1:02:14
or,
1:02:15
or
1:02:15
collecting
1:02:16
in
1:02:16
general,
1:02:16
whatever
1:02:17
the
1:02:17
thing
1:02:17
that
1:02:17
you
1:02:17
love
1:02:18
to
1:02:18
do,
1:02:18
there
1:02:18
are
1:02:19
other
1:02:19
people
1:02:19
that
1:02:19
love
1:02:19
to
1:02:20
do
1:02:20
it
1:02:20
too.
1:02:20
Find
1:02:20
your
1:02:21
community
1:02:21
there
1:02:22
and
1:02:22
that
1:02:22
will
1:02:23
help
1:02:23
you
1:02:23
through
1:02:23
any
1:02:24
of
1:02:24
your
1:02:24
tough,
1:02:24
tough
1:02:25
times.
1:02:25
Awesome.
1:02:26
That's.
1:02:26
That's
1:02:26
what
1:02:26
I
1:02:26
got.
1:02:27
Awesome.
1:02:27
Thank
1:02:27
you
1:02:28
so
1:02:28
much,
1:02:28
my
1:02:28
friend.
1:02:28
Of
1:02:29
course.
1:02:29
Thank
1:02:29
you.
1:02:29
I
1:02:30
really
1:02:30
appreciate
1:02:30
your
1:02:30
time.
1:02:31
I
1:02:31
really
1:02:31
appreciate
1:02:32
the
1:02:32
conversation.
1:02:32
Even
1:02:33
though
1:02:33
we're
1:02:33
not
1:02:34
in
1:02:34
the
1:02:34
same
1:02:34
place
1:02:34
at
1:02:34
all.
1:02:35
I
1:02:35
appreciate
1:02:36
getting
1:02:36
to
1:02:36
see
1:02:36
your
1:02:37
face
1:02:37
and
1:02:38
I
1:02:38
appreciate
1:02:38
your
1:02:38
friendship.
1:02:39
So
1:02:39
thank
1:02:39
you.
1:02:39
Thank
1:02:40
you
1:02:40
so
1:02:40
much
1:02:40
than
1:02:40
you
1:02:41
as
1:02:41
well.
1:02:41
So
1:02:41
everybody
1:02:42
else,
1:02:42
thank
1:02:43
you
1:02:43
for
1:02:43
listening.
1:02:44
If
1:02:44
you
1:02:44
want
1:02:44
to
1:02:45
get
1:02:46
in
1:02:46
contact
1:02:47
with
1:02:47
me,
1:02:49
I
1:02:50
should
1:02:50
know
1:02:50
this
1:02:50
off
1:02:50
the
1:02:50
top
1:02:50
of
1:02:51
my
1:02:51
head,
1:02:51
but
1:02:51
like
1:02:51
I
1:02:51
said
1:02:51
earlier,
1:02:52
I'm
1:02:52
not.
1:02:53
I'm
1:02:53
not
1:02:53
a
1:02:53
professional.
1:02:54
So
1:02:54
I
1:02:54
have
1:02:54
to
1:02:54
find
1:02:54
my
1:02:55
notes.
1:02:56
They're
1:02:57
here
1:02:57
somewhere.
1:02:58
Let
1:02:58
me
1:02:59
get
1:02:59
to.
1:02:59
Ah,
1:02:59
here
1:02:59
it
1:02:59
is.
1:03:01
Email
1:03:01
address.
1:03:02
If
1:03:02
you
1:03:02
want
1:03:02
to
1:03:03
email
1:03:03
me
1:03:03
something
1:03:04
great.
1:03:04
Like
1:03:04
we
1:03:04
talked
1:03:05
about
1:03:05
earlier,
1:03:05
mentorship
1:03:06
is
1:03:06
awesome.
1:03:07
So
1:03:07
if
1:03:07
you
1:03:07
know
1:03:08
things
1:03:08
I'm
1:03:08
doing
1:03:08
wrong
1:03:09
and
1:03:09
you
1:03:09
want
1:03:09
to
1:03:09
help
1:03:10
me
1:03:10
do
1:03:10
that
1:03:10
better,
1:03:11
I
1:03:11
am,
1:03:12
I
1:03:12
am
1:03:12
open
1:03:12
to
1:03:12
that
1:03:13
feedback.
1:03:13
Email
1:03:14
address
1:03:14
is
1:03:14
punklovecompassionahoo.com
1:03:16
Facebook
1:03:17
is
1:03:17
Punk
1:03:17
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1:03:18
and
1:03:18
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1:03:19
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1:03:22
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1:03:22
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1:03:23
is
1:03:23
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1:03:24
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1:03:25
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1:03:26
I'm
1:03:26
not
1:03:26
the
1:03:26
best
1:03:27
at
1:03:27
social
1:03:27
media,
1:03:30
but
1:03:31
they're
1:03:31
there.
1:03:32
I.
1:03:32
I
1:03:33
think
1:03:34
the
1:03:34
one
1:03:34
that
1:03:34
gets
1:03:35
updated
1:03:35
most
1:03:35
frequently
1:03:36
is
1:03:36
the
1:03:36
Instagram
1:03:37
account.
1:03:39
Yeah.
1:03:39
But
1:03:39
I
1:03:39
appreciate
1:03:40
everybody
1:03:40
else.
1:03:40
I'm
1:03:40
glad
1:03:41
you're
1:03:41
here.
1:03:41
I'm
1:03:41
glad
1:03:41
you
1:03:41
listened.
1:03:42
Hopefully
1:03:42
you'll
1:03:43
tell
1:03:43
a
1:03:43
friend
1:03:43
about
1:03:43
it.
1:03:44
And
1:03:44
again,
1:03:45
Todd,
1:03:46
thank
1:03:46
you.
1:03:46
I
1:03:46
really
1:03:46
appreciate
1:03:47
it.
1:03:47
And
1:03:48
until
1:03:48
next
1:03:48
time,
1:03:48
my
1:03:49
friends,
1:03:49
we
1:03:50
will
1:03:50
see.
1:03:55
Sam.