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Joe Oltmann Interview: The Truth About Patriot Infighting · Man in America Podcast

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Alright. So before I start, I got a few messages for you. First off, if you want to follow me on social media, which I recommend it, the number one place I'd go would be Telegram.
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• 0:44
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• 1:18
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• 1:27
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• 1:44
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• 2:10
  Alright, folks. Let's go ahead and dig into today's show. I wanna welcome my guest, mister Joe Altman, who has been a fighter for freedom in America. Joe, thank you so much for joining me today. How are you doing?
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. I was just on, goldwithSeth.com. Buying gold.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: So I'll
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: just give you a shout out. I'm I'm like, god. Go buy some gold.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it's funny because I used to actually work in the gold and, silver precious metals industry beforehand. And it's it's kinda crazy, but there's a lot of sharks. There's a lot of people that are, know, they're selling these sealed coins that are rare and they're overpriced. And, you know, there's also people that are, you know, trying to say you can buy gold for get a deal on gold.
• 2:54
  It's like, you don't get a deal on gold as a commodity. If you're lucky, you can buy it in a fair manner from an honest person.
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you you saw on Telegram, it we could fill up with the buy the Trump coin and buy buy gold. And I'm trying to get the bots under control, which are absolutely crazy on Telegram.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: So now I have a ton of admins and bot controls in place, they find a way around it. But, yeah, they you're gonna buy gold for what gold is worth, and then that that gold will will obviously keep its value, appreciate, depreciate depending on what the market is. But over time, it'll become worth much more.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now you you mentioned Telegram, Joe. Where can people follow you? And and we'll, you know, recap this at the end of the show as well. But where can people go to, to follow what you're doing?
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: You know, so I like Telegram, and I'm starting to, spread so I'm not much of a social media person, but I have social media everywhere. And, so Telegram, they can find me on Telegram. They can find me, at Joe Altman. They can find me at, conservative daily. They can find me at conservative daily, conservative-daily.com.
• 3:57
  We have a podcast that obviously we're gonna have you on as well. We'd love to have you on.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: I can't wait.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: And, but that you can find me there. I'm on Gab, Getter, all the Parler. I actually like Parler. I don't know. Are are you on Parler?
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: You know, I I am, but, you know, I've got maybe 20,000 followers. But ever since they got pulled from the App Store and reinstated, I'll put a post up and I'll get maybe one like. It just has become completely desolate there.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and my my issue with big media such as, you know, YouTube and Facebook is that people are still hanging out there because we haven't made that mass migration yet. I think they see it coming though. But I, you know, I try to stay on all of the other platforms. I do.
• 4:41
  I I keep getting suspended on Facebook, for speaking truth. The last time they they suspended me because I called someone trash. Literally, I used the words trash, and they're like, oh, you you have heard so and it wasn't I called anybody out. I just said you're trash. Within a half a second, it's like, You're off for another thirty days.
• 4:58
  I'm like, ah. Wow. I just used the trash word. I didn't so now I have to I have to get creative and use a fluvium and things like that, other words that mean mean trash to get past these, these people at Facebook. But because I mean, they have to look it up.
• 5:11
  By the time they get look it up at it. Yes. Exactly. But I'm on I'm on pretty much every platform. And, you know, we go live twice a day and we talk a lot about truth.
• 5:21
  And I'm I'm a guy from the South Side of heaven, so you'll notice I get a little fiery.
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: And which is I think that we have to have that. And that that actually leads us into our our first discussion. So I met you at the Reawaken America tours. I had first seen you on DeepRig. That was where I was like, oh, this this guy's cool.
• 5:38
  He's got a great perspective on there. And then I then we met, you know, through the Reawaken America tours. And so there's two main topics I wanna get into while we're public. And then afterwards, we're gonna be going over to Rise TV, which is our streaming platform where we'll do a q and a. And, also, I wanna get a quick update on what's happening with fixing twenty twenty, our code words there.
• 6:00
  But the the the first thing I I wanna first talk about is basically how men can step into the battle more. And the second thing I wanna talk about is the main topic, which is just the division that we're seeing in the Patriot community and and how to heal this and move forward as as one. But jumping into the first thing though, you mentioned getting fired up. You gave this fantastic presentation speech in Texas where you you had the your teaching aids, which for those of you that are listening, this is hilarious. And so what Joe did is he stepped on stage and he had these little, you know, like the bouncy castle balls, and he threw those out into the crowd.
• 6:35
  And and then that one started in the crowd, then he asked everyone, okay, if you're a woman, you're holding one of these balls, hand it to the man next to you. And then you said, now, men, you've got your balls back. So let's let's dig in. I wanna really dig into that message there.
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: So for for me, you know, I I go back to first Corinthians sixteen thirteen says, watchful, stand firm in in the faith, act like men, be strong. And we just haven't been. We haven't been strong. We haven't stood up for our our wives and our mothers and our children. We haven't done those things that are necessary to stand in truth.
• 7:12
  And I believe that courage is more infectious than fear. And as I look around, as we step in the gap and we start taking responsibility for what truth looks like, we can start holding people accountable. But what happens when men start to step back and say that I'm the breadwinner, I'm the one that's supposed to go out and get the bread. Well, our wives don't want us to get the bread. Our children don't want us to get the bread.
• 7:32
  Our children and our wives want us to protect our families and protect our communities. And we've done a very poor job as men being that example for our children, which is why you have this degradation of just what it means to be a man. And they're redefining it in our society and we're letting them do it, saying, ah, we let the moors of society go back to Martin Luther King. He says, that if the church and I'll talk about the church as being holistically just faith, when that starts to let the status quo, lets the moors of society be driven by the status quo, then we'll become irrelevant. A social club to be relegated to the to the sidelines while young people, turn away and disgust.
• 8:10
  And that's really what's happened. That's a letter he wrote in 1963. So I I think that what I was trying to do at that at the Reawaken America tour is to let them know, look. I'm gonna stand up and be about it. I'm I'm gonna let my actions dictate what the next steps will be.
• 8:28
  I'm gonna I'm gonna act in courage because, you know, the Bible says 365 times fear not. And I don't have any fear. I don't fear. I fear no man. I fear my wife, but I feel God first, and then I fear my wife.
• 8:40
  Those are the two things I I fear. I don't get to hold the balls
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: in my
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: house and say, I got my balls back. I can't do that.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: And so what I mean, if you look back at, which I think that a lot of us are now realizing in this country, it's, you know, it's what is we're seeing the symptoms, right? It's like when your body, you know, you're sick or you see as a growth happening, but these are symptoms with the cause being cancer. I think that what we're seeing are the symptoms of what I would say well, you you can go deeper and deeper, but in a lot of ways, it's this cultural Marxism. It's the infiltration of our society. And the one thing you see is that all these isms, right, the progressivism, all these movements, they specifically go after men because they they realize if they can break men, they can break a society.
• 9:27
  And so how have you seen that play out? How are you how are you seeing men being basically destroyed in our society?
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that we've been demasculated, right, and told that we should not be standing strong. We should not be standing up. We should not have testosterone and and that we should, you know, sit back and and just accept what is done to us, except what they tell us is truth and that that type of mentality that they've moved into the education environment. First, was at the at the university level or the secondary level, but now they've moved it into first grade, second grade, third grade, telling them they have a choice on on what sex they are. They have a choice on, you know, wearing dresses.
• 10:11
  And look, I don't care if if you're gay, be gay. I don't care what you do in your bedroom. I don't care. That's between you and God. That's between you and whatever you decide to do that's on you.
• 10:23
  But you should not be forcing it down kids' throat. You shouldn't be forcing down or creating environments where we weaken, we weaken the next generation. It it's, you you talk about cultural Marxism. You know, the scary part about this is is we have so many outside influences. We have so many influence on the outside that are trying to dictate or justify these changes based on education that this is you know, that they've been educated to do this.
• 10:49
  That's not education. It's indoctrination. It's training. It's not you're not learning anything. And you'll you'll notice that if the if the main focus is not the main things that allow for people to have opportunity, math, science, English, history, all of those things push us towards the ability to have an opportunity in the future.
• 11:12
  And they are literally teaching our kids not to care about any of that, but to care about social justice and chasing a boogeyman that doesn't exist, which again, leads us down a path where our our economies are are the country as we know it will collapse.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No. You're you're right. It's it's very intentional. But I also think that, you know, with this, there's a a a movement, as you spoke about, of people that are pushing back against this.
• 11:38
  What's interesting is that it's it's funny because you you go you go to these events. You see the women that are out there there. You did a poll recently on my telegram. I like your coffee cup. By the way, is that
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: a Llama.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Alpaca? Llama? But I did a poll recently on Telegram. I think more than two thirds of the followers I have on Telegram are women, and their their probably average age is 55 to 60, which is interesting. It's not the the young men that are being riled up with this.
• 12:05
  And I think that not to not to, you know, downplay the role of women. I think that these these mama bears are going up to the school boards, doing amazing things. But I think that for me, the discussion is, you know, how can men there's two things. What how can men get involved and get more just on the front line of the battle? And what stopped us?
• 12:24
  Like, what do you think is stopping men from doing that?
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that men have a unity issue, and we were gonna talk about this in the second part of the segment. We have the inability to stand next to each other and to accept each other where we are and not where we want them us to be. And it's we get into these pissing contests, which is what we're seeing today. We're seeing a lot of that happen today. Play out today, with some of the infighting that's happening within the movement, which is is definitely not biblical.
• 12:49
  But but I look at it and go. We we've gotta learn to set aside our petty differences, but our society has taught us to concentrate on petty differences. I mean, that's what the mainstream media concentrates on. Oh my gosh. Mean tweets.
• 13:00
  We gotta stop him. We gotta get him out of office. He he said, son of a, you know, Trump did. Let's let's impeach him. I'm thinking to myself, if is that really the biggest problem that we face?
• 13:12
  And the answer is no. It's not. So as men, we've gotta learn to submit when we need to submit and lead when we need to lead and stand next to shoulder to shoulder with each other. And that's just not happening in our society. And so they go to work and get things done, and then they're just afraid of the ridicule they might get from other men.
• 13:31
  And so they they they just said, look. I'm just gonna bail out. I'm just gonna I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna let my wife handle it. And and our wives, look, we wouldn't even have an opportunity to save our country had it not been for them putting duct tape and and super glue on on our nation.
• 13:46
  They they literally have been the lifeblood behind the country, but they're waiting for us. They're waiting for us to stop fighting with each other over stupid things and to get into the fight. Because if we show up if we show up, none of this evil will stand. None of it will stand, and it'll be a very, very quick fight. But we've gotta make the decision that we're willing to be unselfish and act with unselfish intent.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a very good point. And something that that's helped me a lot in this is that the more I've been able to frame what's happening and look at it as a war, that's helped me. I mean, I think it's been very intentional. Like, if you go back into their plans and you look back into, you know, all the different campaigns to emasculate us and do all these different things, I think what they're trying to do is they're trying to remove that that connection to that part of ourself that, you know, if if this was, say, two thousand years ago, and a a rival tribal member comes into your village and tries to take your wife, you better believe you're gonna pick up a, you know, 300 pound boulder and crush that guy's head with with that with all that testosterone that's gonna come out, so I'm gonna fight to the death to protect my family.
• 14:56
  And that's what's inside of us. But I think what they've done is they've tried to pacify that. But what's really helped for me is to look at this and try to really look at the fact that this is a war, and it may not feel like it. You know, I might, you know, finish, you know, interviewing you today and go up and have some tacos in the kitchen. You know what I mean?
• 15:14
  Like, it's it's really like, it it's a peaceful time right now in a lot of ways, but I think that the more that especially for men, if we can look at this say, look, this is war. My family is threatened. Like, if we don't step forward right now, you know, in three, four, five years, what's that gonna look like for my family? Are they gonna be in a gulag somewhere? Is this gonna turn into, you know, Soviet Russia or communist China?
• 15:39
  I think that that's something that I think really we we have to bring into the conversation is that it's like in in any war that's been fought, the men were the ones that they had to go out and fight that war to protect their families.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: And and that's I mean, frankly, that's where we're heading. We hope we don't get to the place where it has to be a violent violent war. We hope we don't get to the place where we ever have to raise up arms against each other. But who really and I I say this when people say that we need to get to a place where, you know, we're ready to fight, and we're gonna have a civil war. I go, who's your enemy?
• 16:06
  Who are you gonna shoot at? Who are gonna shoot at? Is it the is it the next door neighbor who's a democrat who doesn't believe any of the stuff that this radical left agenda has hijacked on on their side? Is that your enemy? And so I would I question I question who it is we're fighting against, and I think that it's a it's the establishment.
• 16:24
  It's the left and the right that are wings of the same bird. It's the people that defraud us. It's the people that lie to us. If we're going to have division on our side, it should be in holding each other accountable. We should be able to say to each other, hey, that's probably not right.
• 16:41
  Hey, you probably need to talk about that. You need reconcile what you said and what you did because those things are gonna lead to credibility issues on our own side. We should be able to hold each other accountable, right, and not skin each other alive. But our enemy is the people that are in leadership. These are the weaknesses among the weakest among us that we've relegated to, hey.
• 17:02
  Go to Washington and listen to the lobbyists, and we wonder why our communities are falling apart. Look. I'm a I'm a business guy. I was a tech CEO. Right?
• 17:10
  I'm not just a guy off the street that came in and said, oh, you know, I got this great idea. Let's ruin my life and have to step down as a CEO and and walk away from selling my company for a half a billion dollars. I was a two time Ernst and Young entrepreneur of the year nominee. I was a finalist in 2020. I would have sold my company last year for a bazillion dollars.
• 17:30
  I did I needed this like a hole in the head, but I watched my community burn down. I unselfishly did that. And, Seth, do you know who I've taken money from? No one. Not one person.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I don't go to reawaken. I pay my own way and do my own thing. I got a half million dollars in legal bills. Right? And I've been blessed with people who have given generously, I think, 70 or $80,000 to help that pain be less.
• 17:57
  I don't work. I had to I had to, decommission myself from all of my companies, walk away from it. I mean, you know how hard that is to to make that sacrifice? A huge sacrifice. And so so so I see where we're at as a nation, but the only place that we should point our muskets at the people that don't wanna hold people accountable, that don't want accountability, don't want consequences.
• 18:20
  And those people on our side, I say we don't wanna fight with each other, but those people on our side that are lying, I mean, flat out lying or defrauding us building what it's called opium, we've gotta be able to hold them accountable. And if and if that's mean if if that if that's mean, I'm sorry. I ran a company.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Right? That's not mean. That is reality. That is truth. And we can't chase truth, but just forgive other people for not being truthful.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: You know, so before we dive into what's happening within the the infighting and all that, you know, I wanna ask you because I think that I I find that it's the courage of ordinary men that should be the example. I think it's one of the things with the that Hollywood's trying to do is it's like, you should look up to a superhero because look up to Captain America because you're not Captain America. Right? Whereas like to me, Joe Altman is Captain America. Right?
• 19:09
  And so what you stepping away like that, what was that like for you? What did that feel like? How did you what drove you? Because that's how they've pacified us with the drive for money, the career, the comfort. So what drove you and what fueled you to step away from such an accomplishment?
• 19:26
  And what what did that feel like for you?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Painful. So imagine this. Imagine having your wife and kids get followed around to make sure that they're safe. Imagine putting bulletproof glass on your house, putting up thermal cameras, sleeping with a gun at at arm's length every single day. Every single day.
• 19:52
  And and making sure that you have to tell your wife that if someone comes in the house, you go upstairs. There's an AR 15 right there. Flip this down. And you have to train with your wife about how to protect yourself if some radical leftist comes through that door. I mean, imagine living your life that way.
• 20:11
  And frankly, it's not about me. It's about my family. So having to give up all that. Money is the smallest thing that I've had to give up. It doesn't even matter to me.
• 20:22
  Like the money part, I grew up dirt poor. Right? But see, they're having a hard time putting me in a box because I just don't care about the things that they think I should care about. They think that I should care about my reputation. I care about my character.
• 20:38
  God judges you by your character, not by your reputation. Frankly, it's painful every day now, but I wake up every single day. Every single day I wake up and I'm like, I'm going to chase truth. I'm going to chase truth. God put me on this path.
• 20:53
  I'm going stay on this path. I don't know why he put me on this path. I liked my other path. I liked that. I could have drank Mai Tais and sat on a beach for the rest of my life.
• 21:02
  My next generation of my kids would have sat on the beaches and drank Mai Tais if they chose. My I mean, my extended family, my brothers, my sisters, every one of my family would have benefited from that. And then I look at it and go, but it's just money. I can't take it with me. I've tried to fit it through.
• 21:20
  Maybe I'm buried with it or something. I don't know. But I look at it and go, salvation. And I've been blessed with things I don't deserve. And I wasn't born with a silver spoon.
• 21:34
  I was born poor. My dad's black. My mom's white. My whole family's interracial. Right?
• 21:41
  And, I mean, I have too much anyway. I was given too much. I was blessed with too much. I was too lucky. I had too many leprechaun tools on me that made me do well.
• 21:53
  I didn't work hard, by the way, Seth. Never worked hard. That never happened. Being funny. But
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Now you are.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah. So it's, it's, I don't know. I I that's why I see the infighting and people will go, you need to take a stand against this side or this side. I mean, I stand against people who are liars. I stand against people that create fraud or develop things that hurt us, hurt our movement.
• 22:18
  And then I stand with everybody else. And everybody's like, oh, you Yeah. You know, you're you're following the devil. I'm not. Not following the devil.
• 22:24
  I'm not following anyone. I'm standing on the side of the American people. So I will do everything I possibly can to help the American people. I will, including giving my life. Imagine making that decision when you wake up the day that you know that you step out and giving up everything to do it.
• 22:39
  So with no benefit, not ad clicks, not, you know, this is what I wanna do. I wanna innovate. Like, I wanna build. I wanna give. That's what I wanna do, but I can never go back there again.
• 22:52
  And that is heartbreaking.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, thank you for what you've stepped forward and done. Yeah. So, you know, one thing so as as, you know, you and I were talking before you went on stage at Out Out in Phoenix, and in your speech, you told me what you're gonna talk about. It wasn't gonna be about the election.
• 23:16
  It was gonna be about the infighting. And I commend you because I think that a lot of people have been afraid to step out. The only thing you've seen happening is people will step out and say, I only support this one person, and all the other people are now enemies and controlled opposition. And then from both sides, it's happening. But you stepped out on stage and you you stood there and you said, I love Lin Wood and I love General Flynn.
• 23:37
  Right? I love Jo Vaughn. I love this person. I love this person. I love that person.
• 23:40
  So what what drove you to do that? And what's behind that? What's what's the message that you have about that?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You know, I believe that you know, I was an I was I worked in The Middle East and Africa for six years. Right? I've seen kids die of the common cold. I've solved real problems, not symptoms of the problem, not going over there trying to look good to avoid looking bad. I didn't do any of that.
• 24:05
  I jump right in. They're like, oh, this this problem is gonna cost 60,000,000 to fix. And I was like, well, now here's what we're gonna do. Here's how we're gonna do it. Here's what the so I'm a I'm a system architect SME.
• 24:15
  Right? I I know how to go, okay. This is we we need water. Great. Let's build a water catchment that's 250 meters deep and let's build siltman ponds and let's do all this stuff.
• 24:23
  I didn't know anything about it. I'm not an engineer, but I knew I knew how to read. I had to study, solve problems. I look at negotiating in peaceful environments, it doesn't mean I didn't have hard conversations with guys that you would consider your enemy. I studied the Koran.
• 24:41
  I studied the Bible. I worked on Muslim, Christian, and Jewish interrelations and met with people that you would not wanna meet with. Mohammed Hussain Falaal, the head of the Hezbollah, who who passed away. I I sat in a underground bunker in a half destroyed city of Lebanon talking to him about peace. Right?
• 25:01
  And most people would be like, he's a terrorist. Why would you do that? But why wouldn't I? And everybody's like, you can't talk to this person. You can't talk to this person.
• 25:10
  And they're making decisions for me. I'm a man. So so do I get to decide to give back my balls at some point? Say, hey. Somebody else hold my balls for me because I'm gonna stand over here and not have balls.
• 25:21
  And when and when I talk about Jovan and and Lynn and general Flynn, you know, general Flynn served the country thirty three years honorably. Lynn Wood worked his forty five years as a spotless reputation as a trial lawyer. I call out people. It doesn't mean I don't love them. When I call people out, I don't fight with them.
• 25:45
  I don't do that. When I call people out, I'm like, Here, I'm calling you out. Let's have a mature conversation about it. I'll invite you on. I'll still love on you.
• 25:52
  But hey, listen, at the end of the day, you got to speak truth. And if you don't speak truth, we're going have to have a conversation about it. So I've had hard conversations with Lynn. I've had hard conversations with Joe Flynn. I've had hard conversations with Joe Vaughn.
• 26:06
  Depending on how you respond to me and what you say about me will depend on whether or not I'm gonna hold you accountable. Accountability does not mean I fight. The infighting happening, though, keeps us off mission. And when we're off mission, nothing gets solved. And so that's why, I mean, I turned away from the Maricopa stuff completely.
• 26:25
  I'm like, it doesn't even matter. It's become a kangaroo court. Like everyone's yelling at everyone else in deep state this and you're this and you did this wrong. Right? And I'm like, okay, Wisconsin, Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Texas.
• 26:41
  I'm like, what do you guys need? I'm here to help you. And so I just decided that rather than going after everyone else, I'm to step to the side and just give my input and help people best I can in all those other areas.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's really important. Well, I think, you know, something else that you talked about in the speech was just the, you know, when we do these things publicly, right, whether it's as an influencer or it's the equivalent of, you know, go back to let's go back to, you know, the revolutionary war time period. It's the equivalent of going into a town square and yelling, you know, Billy is a fraud. Billy is a fraud.
• 27:22
  And then next person's out there yelling, you know, no you know, Sammy is a fraud. And everyone's, you know, yelling, and what happens is it just creates this division. And I've got, you know, for me, it's like, look, I know Lin Wood. I know General Flynn. I know Clay Clark.
• 27:35
  You know, I I I know these people, and I've had great conversation with Lin. And it's like, you know, for me, though, yes, there there's accusations, there's coming from both ways, which and and what I've said to myself is that I have I do not have the capacity to understand the truth of this matter. I really don't. You know, these things are they're so so complex. And so for me, I look at it and say, look, I can either add to add to the division or try to create unity.
• 28:03
  I'm not saying that we allow people to get away with anything. But I also think that if I don't know something, I'm very careful about what I say because it's it's so easy. And even I saw it with with with Trump. Right? It was it was actually saddening to me that when Trump was that, you know, handful of times that he spoke and he was, you know, kind of promoting operation warp speed and everything.
• 28:25
  I saw so many people saying, I'm done with Trump. He's a trader. He's a big pharma salesman. I like, did you not see what this guy did for four years for our country? Did you not see the sacrifices that he made?
• 28:37
  Do you do you think maybe there's a more complex situation that what than what you understand, you know, sitting in your living room on your laptop banging away your keyboard? And so I think it's just it's really important. And that's why I've seen that, you know, that that you've been trying to do is that the message you're putting forth is say, look. We have to figure out how to stay in the same boat because the real enemy is is Satan, really. It's Satan.
• 28:59
  It's the communist. It's the globalist. It's the the puppets in DC. That's who we should be pointing our muskets at.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So so it's it's funny you say you know, I talk about staying in the boat. And part of the reason why I talk about staying in the boat is it doesn't mean that we're all yoked. It doesn't mean that. It means we're all in the storm together. And if we wanna get to the shore without destroying everything that we've done and dying, because that's really what you end up dying in in that environment.
• 29:27
  Everyone's gotta grow in the same direction. Everyone's gotta pay attention, and we'll have time to have a conversation on who did what later. So so you just gotta set aside your judgment call, keep your head on a swivel, and just do the things to push forward. But here's how I know that we're over the target, we're doing the things that are necessary. Here's how I know.
• 29:46
  It's because all of this infighting didn't start until the the public got to 59%. Yes. The election was stolen in 2020. When that poll came out within a day and a half, we had sparks flying everywhere. And I know that there were people in both sides' ears because I would listen to it.
• 30:05
  I was like, oh, that's interesting. And I'm talking pastures getting in people's ears. I'm talking people that from unlikely sources getting in people's ears. Right? And so you know that now it's at 61%.
• 30:17
  So now 61% believes we're at that critical point where the fraud oh, I I can't so we're at this critical place. I'm I'm trying to walk this. Finally talked about the pole. That's all I said. This is just a pole.
• 30:30
  Okay. I said is a pole, but we're walking these critical lines and we're the veil is being lifted in front of us and yet they want to distract us with all these other things And frankly, all we have to do is keep our eyes forward, but if we're doing all this, we can't see the shots being fired at us. And so they can start picking us off because now we're more concerned about what General Flynn's doing or what Lynn's doing, and I gotta pick a side because he said, get off the fence. And and I would say, I'm not on a fence. I'm standing firmly next to the American people.
• 31:01
  My eyes are forward. I'll deal with this later. Because I'm not saying we don't have to deal with it. We do. We at some point, we have to reconcile.
• 31:09
  We have to reconcile. But right now, we have to reconcile with each other and recognize what mission is. We set ourselves up to make sure that we the mission is accountability. Mission is is making sure that the American people are well represented inside of our government and to strip out and to get rid of all the bloatedness that's happening in our government that, frankly, it's just a bunch of corruption. Are you allowed to say that on YouTube, corruption?
• 31:37
  I hope so.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I've called YouTube corrupt commies before, and, I'm still on here. So it's hard not to these days speak about corruption.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So so I invite people. I constantly invite people onto the show. Have Clay Clark who's gonna be on the show tomorrow morning. Right?
• 31:54
  And everybody goes, you have the enemy coming in. He's a Satanist. And I went, okay. You guys think what you wanna think. You're you're welcome to your opinion.
• 32:04
  Why are you shoving that opinion down my throat like the radical leftists do? And here's another thing, Seth. Did did when you were growing up, right, you had the you had the people that like to pick fight the bullies. Right?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: And there was always 10 or 12 people. We used to have these circles that developed, and the circle would be around the fight. Now more often than not, I was in the middle of the fight. I was a wrestler. I was a football player.
• 32:27
  I loved to fight. I loved it. But I always remember and I got along with everybody, but I hated bullies. So I always ended up stepping in. I've never started a fight ever.
• 32:36
  I've ended a lot. I've stopped people from picking on other people. But you'd have these eight or nine people around it that are going, yeah, get him. He's a bad guy. Yeah.
• 32:44
  Right? Because they wanted to see a fight. So all the people that are around us saying, I wanna see a fight, to me, that is the devil's work. Right? That's the bad people.
• 32:56
  Right? What I wanna do is I'll reconcile. We're gonna have a conversation about accountability. We're gonna answer hard questions. But those people on the side that wanna say this person's bad or that person's bad, you you can have them.
• 33:08
  I'm out. That's not an American. That's not the American spirit either. And that's one of the reasons why men have trouble sticking together because they don't want the foolishness.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, what I also say too is that, I mean, I think that a lot of us have awakened through this process. Like, you know, speaking about Clay, you know, he's the first to admit that, you know, he, you know, God was nowhere in his life a handful, couple of years back. So I think it's like, you know, is it, you know, forgive the Father if they know what not what they've done? Right?
• 33:36
  Is it like, are we, you know, let's just say if ten years ago, I was seen in public, and I had a shirt that said, you know, had mega mega death and like a skull on it. Right? Well, know, because someone could dig that up and pull it and say, look, Seth is a satanist because ten years ago, it's like, well, you know, I wasn't, but it's like, if somebody was? Right? Like, are all of us perfect?
• 33:57
  Did all of us see, you know, see the truth of the election? Did all of us see who Trump really was from day one? No. It took me a couple of years to see who he was. And I I think it's a dangerous mentality that we've gotten where it's like we're finding anything you can find to say, found the real dirt on somebody.
• 34:12
  It's like, all of us are sinners, and some of us may have been bad sinners. But if, you know, if my neighbor with a BLM sign in front of their house, which they don't live in the country, they don't have that. But if they came to me tomorrow and said, you know what, Seth? Like, even though I I voted for Biden, I had a BLM sign, I burned the American flag two years ago, like, I I I see that I was deceived, and I wanna I wanna fight on your side. I wanna support president Trump.
• 34:36
  I wanna support patriot movement. How can I get involved? I'm not gonna spit on them and tell them to go away. I'm gonna welcome them.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well and I think that I I think that really comes down to the to the just the the bottom of it. You know, I'm pro life a %. You know how hard it was on my podcast on Friday to tell people that I funded an abortion because it was more convenient for me? You know, hard it is to reconcile that with who you are as a person?
• 35:02
  Right? That's hard. Yeah. That's that's the real hard. Right?
• 35:07
  It's standing up and talking about those things. Like, Clay comes out and says, I, you know, I didn't I didn't know Jesus. I mean, frankly, I'm not sure I liked he said this to me. He goes, Joe, I'm not even sure I liked who I was. Now that I look back and I go, wow.
• 35:22
  I'm I don't I don't really like who I am. And now that I have Jesus, I have a pathway that's different. And, you know, he sees the stuff you know, he said something that I mean, I can't reconcile what Lynn says about Clay because I go, that's just not true. This I can't reconcile it. Well, look at his book.
• 35:39
  Well, he wrote he wrote his book years ago. Look at his website. You know? Then they have these takedowns. Look at his website.
• 35:45
  His website clearly shows that, you know, he supported Bill Gates. It was a business venture. And as soon as he saw it, he took it down. I don't pay attention to my websites. I mean, I did it for my business.
• 35:55
  I finally went on there before and I like, well, these case studies are are way out of date. Right? So I take the way out of date stuff down. I mean, you can't get to a place where you recognize everything because frankly, as business leaders and CEOs, you don't see everything. We don't have time to do all those things.
• 36:15
  But what is he doing now? Like, yep. I don't want that on my cover. Yep. I don't want these on the inside of my book.
• 36:23
  Right? I wrote that, but we have no room for redemption. We have no. None. In this movement with with us attacking each other, there's no room for anyone to become a follower of Jesus.
• 36:35
  It doesn't exist because we're too busy making it a lie in this hand. You're bad. You're good. And I just I can't I can't get on that track. I can't.
• 36:45
  I can't. And I and I have these conversations with Joe Flynn and and and Lin Wood and Jaren Jackson and and Dave Clements and, doctor Sheba. I mean, doctor Sheba put up a thing about, Guevara, right, the communist revolutionary. And everyone's like, he's a communist. And I was like, alright.
• 37:03
  This is this is foolishness. Maybe. Maybe he is. But right now, that's my enemy right there. See, I can see it.
• 37:11
  I can see who my enemy is. Why are you distracting me with this? That's not of Jesus. That that is right there. And and you have these keyboard warriors that say a lot of things.
• 37:21
  Right? And so I've invited I I have never shied away from having a conversation with anyone, not Joe Flynn, not Lynn, that I've never ran away from any of it, not even Eric Coomer. I'm like, hey. Come on on. I'll sit down with you.
• 37:35
  Right? Because I have no fear. But you have these people that that wanna make judgment calls and stand in that that circle and instigate and try to, you know, antagonize the situation so that they can watch a a brawl happen. That's just not that's not biblical, and that definitely 100% is not the American values that I stand for.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I agree. What advice would you have for someone, let's say that's on you most as I see playing out on Telegram because we got kicked off of all the other platforms. But for someone that's observing on this and and they're feeling confused, they can't trust anybody, their heroes are all attacking each other, Or maybe there's someone that's actually filling the flame and going on the on the, you know, your account and saying this. It's also kinda saying that. What advice do you have for the people that are trying to make sense of this, but they're following along on social media?
• 38:23
  How can they help, you know, kinda stem what's happening?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Pray. Number one, sorry. I tell you, pray. I don't care if you're Muslim, Christian, Jewish. I don't care.
• 38:34
  Right? Again, there's there's a fight that happens and that that we we wanna divide us. Pray. Number one, pray. Number two, do something.
• 38:46
  In other words, don't just be on social media. Take that as encouragement. Eat that for breakfast in the morning and say, look. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get in this fight, but then do something. And that means getting involved with organizations where you can walk around and fly your neighborhoods.
• 38:58
  You can actually build a flyer and say things about what's really happening. You can speak truth, then just pass them out to every house, connect with someone that you align with and do something good, positive. Not stand around and say, I support this person, I support this person, I support it. I'm thinking to myself, okay, You you support. Oh, that's fun.
• 39:21
  And and and then you want to fight over it. And I ask you what comes out of that. Look. I'll hold people accountable. I've I've called out Jovan.
• 39:31
  I'm gonna tell you right now. I've called him out. I've called him out because he's made promises he hasn't delivered on. Doesn't mean I don't love him. I literally text him like, hey, man.
• 39:41
  Let's have a conversation. No. You're dead to me. Okay. But when you attack my character, when you attack my character, I'm gonna hold you accountable.
• 39:49
  There's nothing wrong as men holding people accountable. There is a problem with us attacking people and and just going after them and saying, you're a Satanist. You're this. You're that. When when you don't know that to be fact, god knows the heart of the man.
• 40:03
  So instead, do something. Offer words of encouragement. Only use words of affirmation. Do not use words that are that degrade others that are on the boat with you because all you're gonna do is piss them off. And when you piss them off, you know, they're liable to punch you in the mouth either verbally or otherwise because we're men.
• 40:23
  Right? And the last thing that I will say is on this subject specifically is be a man. Be a man. Like, stand up, support your wives, your sisters, your mothers. Be who God made you to be.
• 40:39
  God did not make you to go out there and bring home bread. They can find their own bread. They can eat ramen noodles. They can eat chef boy RD. They can literally foliage around and find things in the in the wild.
• 40:51
  Heck, you could there's trees everywhere. We could pick our own berries. What they they they they want you to do is stand together and protect our community, and that's what we used to do. But they have used what is good and made it bad. And so we have to start pushing out everything that the mainstream media says.
• 41:06
  We have to start standing together. Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. Right? Black, white, green, yellow, purple, Barney with webbed feet, doesn't matter. And we've got to look at who it is we're actually fighting, and we're fighting an innate evil.
• 41:18
  It's evil in our society, not just people.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Those are very, very good points. And one way I like to look at this too is I think that a lot of us are so focused on discerning the good and evil. Right? Like, discernment, I think, is a really important term right now.
• 41:34
  It's actually, it's never been more important because the lies are so deep. Our reality is is so infiltrated with with mistruths and doublethink and all these things are meant to confuse us. So discerning good and evil is so critical, but I think that the thing is is that we have to turn that eyesight inward. Like, instead of trying to focus on all these other people who's evil, who's good, who's evil, we have to go look at ourselves because I believe this is a moral battle. That was what my speech was about, is that this is a battle of morality.
• 42:04
  And that's why you see that, you know, if you look at mass psychosis, as the fear increases in a society, the morality drops. Right? Because they know that an immoral society is a lot easier to scare than a moral society. And so if you look at the battle goes back to morality, but we can't fight a battle of morality by pointing fingers and telling us to be good. We have to all do it internally.
• 42:30
  And so that's what it is for me is that every day, I'm I'm genuinely trying to look at myself and say, okay, if I want to save the country, I have to save myself. Right? I have to fix the evil within me because all of us, right, all of us have been indoctrinated with Marxist ideas. Right? I've got a lot of Marxist thinking I don't even know about.
• 42:47
  I was taught it when I was two years old at preschool or eight years old and in middle school. Right? That's how long they've been infiltrating our country. You know, there's not a person that's alive in this country that hasn't had some form of that Marxist indoctrination. So if we're gonna root this specter out of our country, I think we have to turn our sight inward.
• 43:05
  And that's the hard thing. Right? You you have to you have to look in the mirror and say, I'm looking at a Marxist in the mirror, and you have to clean that stuff out. And and I think that the more you do that, kinda similar to what you're saying, the more you go out and you actually do something positive in society, I bet the less you're gonna you're less you're gonna wanna go home and argue on social media. But I also agree and say that the more you look at your own self before you speak, the less you're gonna wanna argue on social media.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: And I you know, you have to be introspective. I think it's super important to be introspective, and you're not always gonna be right. Nobody is a % right unless you're Bernie Madoff, and then you go to prison. So so, you know, as we as we start walking down this pathway, as we start walking down the pathway of accountability, and that's what we're that's where we're going. At when we get to the end of that that area, we'll know by the fruit of our labor.
• 43:56
  We'll we'll know whether or not what we did was good. We'll be able to look back and see it. You'll see the pork product. Right? And I think that the as you said, the more that you concentrate on the work that you're doing, the less likely you are to be out there criticizing someone else for what they're doing because you're in the fight.
• 44:11
  You're doing the stuff, and you're like, I don't I can't be concerned with that. I got I got work to do. Right?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I think that's where we have to get to.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So folks watching, we are very soon gonna transition over to Rise Only. We're gonna do a q and a with Joe, which I always love. Your your questions are always very amusing, and it's excellent, intelligent questions. And we're also gonna get a quick update on what's happening with the, fixed twenty twenty efforts that, Joe's involved with.
• 44:35
  If you're not familiar with Rise TV, it is a Patriot owned, Patriot run streaming platform. I'm on there. There's a a amazing library of content, you know, with the Edge of Wonder, a few other hosts on there. We've covered communism, human trafficking, the the deep state. We've dove into all of the heavy topics that you can't find on the mainstream, you know, platforms or mainstream media, or even in general hard to find.
• 45:01
  But we try to cover these things in a way that makes you laugh, doesn't leave you depressed, you know, so which is important. So if you want to check out Rise TV, it's a subscription platform. But in the link below on the video is a link for a free trial over there. So you can come check it out. If you like it, if you wanna stick around, I'd I'd love for you to do too.
• 45:21
  But it's very community based. And also and part of it is every interview I do, I always do a q and a afterwards on Rise TV. So we're gonna hop over there. So, Joe, remind us, you know, before we do that, where can people find and follow you? Because you're putting out a lot of amazing content people should be listening to.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I was just given this stuff that you can you can, we go live every day, 9AM Mountain Standard Time, eleven AM Eastern Time, and then we go again at 5PM Mountain Standard Time, on conservative-daily.com, rumble, d live, and Twitch. And you can we have a Apple podcast. It's called conservative daily podcast. We've we've gained in popularity, so I guess there is some some good that came out of all this.
• 46:02
  I get to speak to people and, and connect to you. You can find me at at, Telegram at Joe Altman. You can find me on Gab and Getter and everything else again at Joe Altman. And then, you know but but I spend a lot of time on I spend a lot of time on Telegram. I kinda like it because it's easy, except for the bots.
• 46:24
  Please ignore those. But, yeah, you can find
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: me there. Yeah. Great. Great. Well, thank you, Joe.
• 46:29
  So for everyone that's, watching on join us on Facebook or YouTube or Rumble, thank you very, very much. I hope this is a great conversation for you. I think that it's it's it's I'm glad that we're talking about this. It has to be talked about because we have to we have to move forward. It's it's really important.
• 46:45
  So Yep. So we're gonna go ahead and end the streams on Facebook, Rumble, and YouTube, and then we'll hop over to Rise only. So, Dom, let me know once the the streams are ended. Give me one second to to check on this. Alright.
• 47:07
  So, Dom's work on this. I'm just gonna assume that they're that they're ended now as he's trying. So, well, how about so for those of you that are watching over on Rise TV, I've got a document and I've been collecting always collecting questions. So if you have any questions for Joe or myself, but I you know, since Joe's a guest, I'd like to hear what he has to say. She hear me talking way too much as it is.
• 47:32
  So if you have any questions at all, put all caps question in your comment on Rise TV. Ask it, and we'll get to it. So, Joe, just because I'm not sure if we're off the other platforms yet, waiting on confirmation, let's go ahead and, dig into a few of these questions before we start talking about the 2020 stuff, which the
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: The the giant is not like I was talking about. So here's a question from wire guy. He says, you say our enemy is leadership. Do they not have a following? Who put them there?
• 48:09
  Don't they have the guns and the institutions to enforce their will?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: So, you know, you'd say that the the guns and the institutions to assert their will, I will take you to Afghanistan. These guys were were were beating us with camels and guns that looked like they've been run over by trucks. And what happened nearly twenty years later when we backed out of Afghanistan? So the will of the people will always be heard when you get to the point where you realize that you've become a slave. And I think the American people in large part have become slaves.
• 48:43
  Fifty two cents on every dollar. And by the way, we're TikTok educated. Reading books has become kind of the, don't talk about it. But we tend to read things on Wikipedia. Now we're an expert because it gave us the flash points.
• 48:58
  It's like reading footnotes of a book and then writing a report on it. The teacher knew that you read only the footnotes. You didn't get to the meat of what we're actually talking about. But when we talk about where we are as a country, 52¢ on every dollar goes to the government. That means you work the first six months out of the year for free.
• 49:18
  The temperature in this country is going up, and they may have the guns, they may have the institutions, but we're rejecting all of that. And so we have an opportunity to take our country back from them. And yes, we did elect them because they talked the talk and didn't walk the walk. And we were too busy, consumed with with comfortism. Right?
• 49:36
  Getting to the place where we have comfort, where we have TV and Xbox and, you know, the the the refrigerator is stacked and we have nice cars outside and we're driving around and going to the restaurants and doing a little jig. We're doing all these things and we forgot to look up. By the time we did look up, we had critical race theory in our schools. We had gender fluidity where they were recruiting kids in first, second, and third grade telling them you can be a pink unicorn. We had our churches being shut down and and forced to to walk away from your ability to worship.
• 50:11
  The most fundamental thing is spiritual spiritual food. They're taking it away from you. They stripped our communities of God completely, yet elevating atheism and and Satanism. So we we have an opportunity to save our country because we're waking up to the realities that this isn't what we signed up for. It's not what we signed up for as a nation.
• 50:32
  So, no, our leadership is weak because we chose them because we were like, we don't wanna do it. You go do it. We didn't see the value in it, but that value proposition is changing. And we're like, well, we don't have we don't have experience. And I would say, neither do they.
• 50:49
  Neither do they. I mean, right? They don't have experience, but they've done to our country. They've they've degraded everything that our country stands for. Now you have people inside of the communities that are standing up saying, we've had enough.
• 51:04
  We're willing to take our country back. Doesn't matter how many arms you have. You kill all of your subjects. You you can't get anything done. And so they recognize that, and you're starting to see that pullback happen as a result.
• 51:16
  Unfortunately, it's too late for them.