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UFO Crash/Retrievals: Ten Stories of Crashed UFO, Alien Bodies & Reverse-Engineering of ET Craft · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: joining me for a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Today,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking about something a little different,
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Speaker 1: which is UFO crashes. The title of today's episode is
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Speaker 1: UFO Crash Retrievals Ten Stories of crash UFOs, alien bodies
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Speaker 1: and the reverse Engineering of Extraterrestrial craft. I think this
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Speaker 1: subject is really important. It's not only one of the
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Speaker 1: most interesting aspects of upology, it really represents the cutting
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Speaker 1: edge of research here. I think it has the greatest
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Speaker 1: potential to really change the way we all think about
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Speaker 1: this subject. It's absolutely conclusive evidence of what we're dealing
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Speaker 1: with here. All bets are off if we truly do
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Speaker 1: have crash UFOs and alien bodies, and I think we
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Speaker 1: do because there are so many cases. It's certainly not
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Speaker 1: just the Roswell UFO crash in nineteen forty seven in
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Speaker 1: New Mexico, or the Aztec crash, or the Paradise Valley crash,
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Speaker 1: or any of a half dozen really well known cases.
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Speaker 1: The fact is there are literally hundreds of these reports.
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Speaker 1: Many researchers have these cases. It's far more common than
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Speaker 1: most people realize. But again, this represents the best possible
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Speaker 1: evidence there is. Ironically, it relies solely on anecdotal evidence
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Speaker 1: because none of this actual hardware, these ET bodies are
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Speaker 1: in the public arena, So it's incredibly frustrating. But the
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Speaker 1: fact is there are way too many cases to dismiss.
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Speaker 1: Whistleblowers are now coming out of the woodwork. There are
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Speaker 1: so many cases of people reporting crashed UFOs ET bodies
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Speaker 1: being held in captivity, reverse engineering of ET technology that
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Speaker 1: it's clear something very profound is going on here. But
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Speaker 1: it's very hard to put all together. It's like this crazy,
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Speaker 1: insane jigsaw puzzle with thousands of pieces that don't quite
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Speaker 1: fit together. But that's why I'm doing this research. That's
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Speaker 1: why I've put together this episode, to provide a glimpse
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Speaker 1: into this amazing aspect of UFO research. So I've got
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Speaker 1: ten cases for you today, ten little known cases you
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Speaker 1: probably haven't heard before, which I hope provide a little
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Speaker 1: bit of clarity into what's going on here. So let's
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Speaker 1: just get started. In the first case I'd like to
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Speaker 1: talk about today, I call he wasn't supposed to see.
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Speaker 1: This occurred in June and nineteen forty six, in Dayton, Ohio.
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Speaker 1: And this case was investigated by professional researchers, so it's
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Speaker 1: definitely got some real credibility behind it. But it's such
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Speaker 1: an unusual case and it's not well known and certainly
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Speaker 1: deserves to be. This case comes from David Dobbs of
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Speaker 1: Muffon Amateur Radio Net, who referred to Leonard Stringfield, again
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Speaker 1: the world's leading expert on reports of UFO crash retrievals.
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Speaker 1: Leonard Springfield called this case quote of special interest because
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Speaker 1: it relates to an alleged pre Roswell crash and retrieval.
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Speaker 1: This case was first published in nineteen ninety one in
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Speaker 1: Stringfield's Status Report six and later in his book UFO
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Speaker 1: Crash Retrievals. The first had witness is a gentleman by
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Speaker 1: the name of Tex Martin. It was June of nineteen
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Speaker 1: forty six and he was only ten years old. School
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Speaker 1: had just ended, and as a reward for doing very
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Speaker 1: well in school, his father, Jack Martin, allowed Text to
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Speaker 1: accompany him to his work at Wright Field, the famous
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Speaker 1: Wright Patterson Air Force Base where his father worked installing
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Speaker 1: aircraft instruments. So Tex joined his father over a period
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Speaker 1: of days and one day they both noticed an unusually
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Speaker 1: large number of military vehicles and soldiers in front of
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Speaker 1: a particular military hanger where the employees ate lunch. This
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Speaker 1: was a very large hanger and the canteen was on
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Speaker 1: one side with a large panel door which separated it
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Speaker 1: from the main area. But on that day Tex entered
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Speaker 1: the hangar and he saw the large sliding door being closed.
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Speaker 1: Before was fully closed, he glimpsed a low boy truck
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Speaker 1: loaded with objects covered with tarpaulins. Of course, he didn't
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Speaker 1: think too much of it at first, but then he
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Speaker 1: ate his first Eskimo pie, and being thirsty afterwards, he
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Speaker 1: walked over to a soda pop machine, which just happened
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Speaker 1: to be located by the sliding door separating the canteen
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Speaker 1: from the rest of the hanger. There was a janitor
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Speaker 1: there guarding the walk through door in this sliding panel door,
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Speaker 1: and the janitor offered to buy him a drink, and
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Speaker 1: while standing there, Tex was able to peer through this
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Speaker 1: walk through door which had been left open, and he
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Speaker 1: was absolutely shocked at what he saw. So I'll just
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Speaker 1: quote Leonard Stringfield here. Says Leonard. Inside the main hangar,
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Speaker 1: soldiers were working and quite a crowd was gathering several
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Speaker 1: small bodies. Text believes there were three or four land
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Speaker 1: stretchers in front of a large dome shaped object supported
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Speaker 1: on tripodal legs. Blankets were scattered about on the floor,
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Speaker 1: and soldiers were folding up a large tarpaulin. He remembers
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Speaker 1: that the bodies were small, brownish in color and had
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Speaker 1: large pear shaped heads. He estimates that the domed object
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Speaker 1: in the background was about eighteen to twenty feet in diameter,
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Speaker 1: was off white in color, had no sharp points, and
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Speaker 1: was encircled by a flat band. So at this point
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Speaker 1: Tex alerted his father, who came over, and he also
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Speaker 1: peered through the open door and saw this object and
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Speaker 1: the bodies. Text continued to observe the goings on when
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Speaker 1: suddenly a colonel noticed him and ordered his father, Jack,
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Speaker 1: to take him home. Now here's where it gets even
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Speaker 1: more interesting, because it was one or two weeks later
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Speaker 1: that Jack Martin returned home with very bad news. As
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Speaker 1: Leonard Stringfield says, Jack Martin lost his job. He told
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Speaker 1: Tex and his mother that he had seen stuff he
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Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to see. Text remembers his father crying in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen and the difficulty he had finding other work.
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Speaker 1: Tex overheard his grandfather, who also worked at right Field,
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Speaker 1: telling his parents that a portion of a space vehicle
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Speaker 1: had been brought in. So Jack Martin later revealed that
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Speaker 1: there was in fact an underground facility there containing top
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Speaker 1: secret stuff that only people with the highest clearances could
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Speaker 1: get in, and Tex Martin finally years later revealed his
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Speaker 1: story of what he saw in this hangar at right Field.
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Speaker 1: Leonard Stringfield is certainly the pioneer when it comes to
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Speaker 1: researching UFO crash retrieval cases. So when he starts talking
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Speaker 1: about these kinds of incidents, I think we really do
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Speaker 1: have to take seriously. He's done more work on this
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Speaker 1: aspect of upology than just about anybody else. And you
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Speaker 1: can see from this case in particular, how seriously our
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Speaker 1: government does take these accounts and the risk that whistleblowers
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Speaker 1: go through when they reveal these stories. This is no joke.
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Speaker 1: The cover up is absolutely demonstrably real, and it's something
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Speaker 1: that we have to fight against. I think we all
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Speaker 1: deserve to know the truth, and these cases, again are
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Speaker 1: so important. So let's move to the next case. This
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Speaker 1: one has not, as far as I know, been officially
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Speaker 1: investigated it's really virtually unpublicized. Almost nobody knows about it.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's an important firsthand eyewitness testimony of
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Speaker 1: a witness who looks like he was right on the
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Speaker 1: scenes of this amazing UFO crash retrieval. So I call
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Speaker 1: this one eyewitness to a UFO craft. This occurred in
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Speaker 1: July nineteen forty seven in New Mexico, right around the
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Speaker 1: time of the Roswell UFO crush. This might be the
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Speaker 1: Roswell crush itself, it might be another one, because it's
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Speaker 1: my understanding that there were a few at that time.
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Speaker 1: But I think this is an interesting testimony that definitely
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Speaker 1: adds to our knowledge of what's going on here. This
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Speaker 1: report comes from a retired engineer who way back in
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine had joined the staff of the new
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Speaker 1: University of Santa Cruz in California. I'll call him William.
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Speaker 1: That is a pseudonym. During that year, there were several
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Speaker 1: reports in the mountains behind the campus of UFOs that
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Speaker 1: had been reported to the university, and the engineer had
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Speaker 1: been asked to interview three of the witnesses and file
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Speaker 1: an official report. So William agreed, but he soon learned
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Speaker 1: to regret his decision. This was a pretty small campus
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Speaker 1: at that time, especially in the science department that he
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Speaker 1: was a part of, and he quickly earned the unwonted
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Speaker 1: reputation of being somebody in interested in this fringe subject
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Speaker 1: of ufology. But as word of his interests spread, he
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Speaker 1: began to receive information from other people who had very
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Speaker 1: interesting stories to tell. And one day in nineteen seventy
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Speaker 1: a good friend of his from church a maintenance worker.
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Speaker 1: He had a friend who was a welder who had
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Speaker 1: this amazing story to share. The maintenance worker and his
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Speaker 1: friend had met in a German pow camp during World
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Speaker 1: War Two. Following the war and their release from this camp,
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Speaker 1: they remained very good friends. And in nineteen forty seven,
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Speaker 1: his friend, whom I'll call Thomas again a pseudonym, was
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Speaker 1: employed at the Roswell Air Force Base. At that time
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Speaker 1: it was called Walker Air Force Base, but his main
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Speaker 1: duties included welding jigs and fixtures for servicing aircraft. Now,
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Speaker 1: before revealing his testimony, Thomas said that he would only
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Speaker 1: talk if William agreed not to take any notes or
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Speaker 1: use any recorder. Their mutual friend, the its worker had
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Speaker 1: to reassure Thomas that William would not betray him. Thomas
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Speaker 1: said that much of the information about Roswell that was
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Speaker 1: circulating was not true, that he wanted the truth to
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Speaker 1: be revealed, but only on the condition did it not
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Speaker 1: be revealed until he passed on. It says William. He
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Speaker 1: asked that I keep secret what he told me until
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Speaker 1: after his death, which I have done. He and my
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Speaker 1: friend both passed away in the late nineteen eighties. Now,
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Speaker 1: per Thomas the main witness. Everyone at the Walker base
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Speaker 1: knew about UFOs because every once in a while they
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Speaker 1: would be seen flying over the base, often in pairs.
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Speaker 1: They were described as circular flat on the bottom with
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Speaker 1: a dome on top, and flew in perfect silence. Everyone
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Speaker 1: there called them quote flats. Now at the time, Thomas
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Speaker 1: assumed that they were some sort of secret technology that
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Speaker 1: had been obtained from the Germans. On July fifth, he
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Speaker 1: had returned back to the bay after the Independence Day holiday.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly a truck pulled up to his station, and an
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Speaker 1: officer got out and ordered him to load a cutting
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Speaker 1: torch and fresh tanks for a job out in the desert.
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Speaker 1: Thomas obeyed, and off they went out into the new
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Speaker 1: Mexico Desert. It was a very long drive, and by
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Speaker 1: the time they arrived at their destination it was already
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Speaker 1: mid afternoon. Thomas was told it was a crash site,
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Speaker 1: so he assumed that a plane had gone down. At
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Speaker 1: the site, he did see soldiers down on their hands
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Speaker 1: and knees, picking up every piece of wreckage and depositing
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Speaker 1: them in cloth bags of the kind that were used
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Speaker 1: for sand bags, and then placing these full bags in
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Speaker 1: the back of a flatbed truck. So these were just
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Speaker 1: little pieces of metal that he saw them picking up.
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Speaker 1: They drove further beyond this, out of sight from that wreckage,
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Speaker 1: and came upon a second group of people standing around
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Speaker 1: what appeared to be an intact classic flying disc. The
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Speaker 1: craft was lying on the ground. The brush was knocked
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Speaker 1: down next to the craft, making it obvious that this
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Speaker 1: craft had skidded across the ground and came to a
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Speaker 1: rest in sort of a natural berm. The backside of
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Speaker 1: the craft was slightly lifted off the ground. And I'll
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Speaker 1: just let William describe in his own words what he
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Speaker 1: was told directly by the first hand witness. Thomas says William.
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Speaker 1: He described the craft as being about twenty five to
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Speaker 1: twenty six feet in diameter, with a large dome on top.
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Speaker 1: He said the craft was quote the color of weak tea,
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Speaker 1: with a kind of burnished finish. He said that there
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Speaker 1: were no signs of weld marks, no seams or rivets,
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Speaker 1: that all the edges had either an inside or outside radius.
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Speaker 1: There were no visible windows or openings, and that's why
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Speaker 1: he was brought there. He was told to cut an
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Speaker 1: opening in the dome wide enough for a man to
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Speaker 1: crawl through. By this time, it was getting to be
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Speaker 1: late afternoon and soldiers were setting up a bank of
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Speaker 1: hordable lights, and he said that he began cutting a
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Speaker 1: hole from the base of the dome. This is still
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Speaker 1: William talking. He said it was a tough alloy and
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Speaker 1: slow cutting, but the material was surprisingly thin. He tried
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Speaker 1: bending the metal out of his way as he was cutting,
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Speaker 1: but the metal would spring back to its original shape
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Speaker 1: without creasing. He finished his cut and set the metal
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Speaker 1: piece aside and looked into the cockpit for a few
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Speaker 1: seconds before he was ordered off the craft. So that's
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Speaker 1: William's testimony of what Thomas told him, and was clear
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Speaker 1: to Thomas that the craft was very unusual. But after
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Speaker 1: his brief glimpse inside it and seeing what he saw,
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Speaker 1: he didn't realize just how unusual it was. He no
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Speaker 1: longer thought this was a secret military craft. After what
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Speaker 1: he saw inside the craft, he knew it was extraterrestrial. Again.
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Speaker 1: Here's William quoting what he learned from Thomas. Says William,
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Speaker 1: he said it was difficult to see very far into
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Speaker 1: the craft because of the glare from the poor vable lights,
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Speaker 1: and the cockpit was full of smoke from the cutting torch.
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Speaker 1: He said he saw two beings who appeared to be dead.
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Speaker 1: He said the cockpit had a strong smell of ammonia.
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Speaker 1: He described the two beings as being about four feet tall,
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Speaker 1: but they were doubled up, so it was hard to say.
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Speaker 1: They were wearing what he said were skin tight, purplish
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Speaker 1: flight suits that reminded him of sequins. He described their
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Speaker 1: heads as what we now referred to as grays. He
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Speaker 1: said there were no visible instruments that he could see.
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Speaker 1: He was ordered off the craft with his gear and
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Speaker 1: returned to the base. He said it was dark when
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Speaker 1: they arrived, so Thomas became even more convinced of the
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Speaker 1: extraterrestrial origin of the craft given what happened next back
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Speaker 1: at the base, as William says, he was escorted by
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Speaker 1: armed guards into a building for a debriefing. He said
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Speaker 1: that there were several high ranking officers at the table,
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Speaker 1: along with four or five civilians in suits. He said
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Speaker 1: that after he was debriefed, he was told that he
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Speaker 1: was not to talk about what he had seen as
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Speaker 1: it was a state secret and if he was caught
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Speaker 1: divulging anything, he would spend the rest of his life
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Speaker 1: in prison or worse. He was scared to death by
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Speaker 1: the threat, and my friend and myself are the only
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Speaker 1: people he ever told and that was twenty three years
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Speaker 1: after the event. William, the researcher, says he later tried
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Speaker 1: sharing this interview with a few investigators, but received a
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Speaker 1: lukewarm reception. Finally, in twenty sixteen, he filed a report
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Speaker 1: with Muffan, writing, when I heard this story, I did
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Speaker 1: not know what to think. I was not a UFO
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Speaker 1: buff and had never heard of the Roswell story. My friend,
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Speaker 1: the maintenance worker, said this guy was the real thing,
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Speaker 1: and during the interview I never sensed anything odd about
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Speaker 1: his presentation or with his mannerisms. He provided a lot
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Speaker 1: more information than I have stated, but the interview was
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Speaker 1: almost fifty years ago. I think he was telling the truth.
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Speaker 1: My friend was a very honorable and trustworthy man who
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Speaker 1: would not knowingly support a bogus story. I never saw
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Speaker 1: or spoke with the welder again after that evening. Certainly
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Speaker 1: an interesting case. Some of the details do seem to
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Speaker 1: contradict what other people are saying about the Rodswell UFO crash,
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Speaker 1: but that's one of the problems with these reports. That's
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Speaker 1: certainly not unusual in UFO reports in general, or frankly,
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Speaker 1: in any field of investigation, in any subject. Not everyone's
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Speaker 1: testimony is going to match up perfectly, and when they do,
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Speaker 1: that can sometimes point towards collusion. So I think this
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Speaker 1: is an important case. And certainly the people who gave
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Speaker 1: the testimony believe that it was real. So yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: just one more piece of this crazy jigsaw puzzle that
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Speaker 1: we're trying to put together and figure out what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Now Here is another case. This was researched by ufologists.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a very interesting case. It comes from
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Speaker 1: James Moseley, who's pretty skeptical of many UFO reports, so
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Speaker 1: I think that's important anyway, I call this one of
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Speaker 1: interplanetary nature. This one occurred in August of nineteen fifty
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Speaker 1: two at an unnamed airbase in Ohio. But it's a
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Speaker 1: really fascinating first hand case a witness who saw something
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Speaker 1: that was apparently supposed to be covered up, but to
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Speaker 1: her credit, she leaked it out and shared her story.
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Speaker 1: This case comes from the iconic and definitely controversial UFO
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Speaker 1: researcher again, mister James Moseley, perhaps best known for his
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Speaker 1: somewhat skeptical publication saucer Smear. This case was published in
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Speaker 1: his book UFO Crash Secrets at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
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Speaker 1: James Mosley was one of the early pioneering figures of upology,
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Speaker 1: also really famous for his unfiltered expose as of various
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Speaker 1: UFO hoaxes, and when reports of UFO crashes began to circulate,
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Speaker 1: he had quote little faith in the accounts, but there
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Speaker 1: was one particular account that caught his eye, regarding a
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Speaker 1: woman who worked for an unnamed large military base in Ohio,
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Speaker 1: not right Patterson another one. He heard a recording of
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Speaker 1: this woman's testimony made by another researcher, and curious, he
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Speaker 1: was later able to track her down for a first
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Speaker 1: hand interview in the summer of nineteen fifty two. This
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Speaker 1: witness was a civilian employee of the Signal Corps working
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Speaker 1: under the Army and the FBI. She had a high
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Speaker 1: security clearance and worked as quote, a night girl on
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Speaker 1: the teletype. Her duties included decoding messages and handling classified
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Speaker 1: materials of many sorts. As James Moseley says, she only
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Speaker 1: agreed to an interview upon the condition of anonymity. So
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Speaker 1: James Moseley calls her quote missus why, and I'll just
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Speaker 1: quote missus y directly from James Moseley's interview. As missus
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Speaker 1: Why says, in August or September of nineteen fifty two,
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Speaker 1: I walked into the photographic lab to get an aspirin
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Speaker 1: from redacted. James Mosley calls this man mister Z he's
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Speaker 1: an Army photographer. But again, as miss Why says, I
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Speaker 1: walked into the photographic lab to get an aspirin from
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Speaker 1: this man who was in charge of this section. This
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Speaker 1: lab was in the same section of the communication building
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Speaker 1: on the base which I worked in. When I walked in,
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Speaker 1: he was developing a number of prints and I couldn't help,
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Speaker 1: noticing that about a dozen of them looked like the
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Speaker 1: newspaper drawings I had seen of flying saucers. At first,
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Speaker 1: he expressed some concern that I had seen the photos.
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Speaker 1: He thought he had had the door locked but had
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Speaker 1: gone to the restroom and forgotten to relock it. Knowing
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Speaker 1: that I had a clearance, and being a good friend
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Speaker 1: of mine, he apparently decided to relieve my curiosity. So
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Speaker 1: mister Z, this technician, said that he he had taken
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Speaker 1: the photographs personally when he was on an assignment north
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Speaker 1: of the unnamed base where a flying saucer had crashed.
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Speaker 1: He told her that scientists employed by the government had
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Speaker 1: a lot of trouble getting into the craft, and that
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Speaker 1: it was composed of one or more metallic alloys that
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Speaker 1: were not found on Earth, and he refused to say
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Speaker 1: anything else, and warned her that the photographs were classified
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Speaker 1: and carried a top security designation. As missus Y says,
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Speaker 1: at that time, I thought this was more or less
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Speaker 1: a routine photographic record of experimental military aircraft which frequently
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Speaker 1: were tested at the base, and thought little more of
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Speaker 1: it until I handled some startling messages. The first communications
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Speaker 1: involved information that the aircraft, which was thought to be
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Speaker 1: of interplanetary nature, was being brought first to our base
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Speaker 1: under very heavy guard, where it would receive a preliminary
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Speaker 1: examination and then be trucked to right field. Messages ordered
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Speaker 1: a red and white alert for the base, since it
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Speaker 1: was feared that the saucer had communicated with other similar
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Speaker 1: crafts still flying. This made me very nervous, but it
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Speaker 1: sounded to me as if the base commander believed that
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Speaker 1: other machines might attack in an effort to recover the
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Speaker 1: disabled craft. So here missus Why describes the photographs she
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Speaker 1: saw of this craft in detail, As she says, I'm
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Speaker 1: not good at this, but I would say the saucer
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Speaker 1: was thirty feet in diameter. In a couple or three
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Speaker 1: of the pictures there was a jeep parked by it,
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Speaker 1: and this gave a good frame of reference. It would
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Speaker 1: be forty feet at the most. I would say. It
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Speaker 1: had no protrusions other than a rim or the upper
21:44
Speaker 1: and lower halves of the machine met. It appeared to
21:48
Speaker 1: be made of pieces of metal riveted together, though I
21:50
Speaker 1: couldn't see any rivets, only the different sections. It didn't
21:55
Speaker 1: have any windows that I could see. Some of the messages, however,
21:58
Speaker 1: mentioned that it had win windows or portholes of one
22:02
Speaker 1: way glass which you couldn't see through from the outside.
22:05
Speaker 1: So missus Why the craft had no alien bodies in it,
22:10
Speaker 1: but was apparently remote controlled. It didn't crash so much,
22:14
Speaker 1: but floated gently to the ground due to quote lack
22:18
Speaker 1: of magnetic power on which they run. Now, she had
22:21
Speaker 1: heard rumors at the base of alien bodies in other craft,
22:25
Speaker 1: but apparently not in this one. James Moseley writes that
22:29
Speaker 1: he was quote greatly convinced of her sincerity, but to
22:33
Speaker 1: verify her story, he asked if she could put him
22:36
Speaker 1: in touch with this army photographer, mister Z. Missus Why
22:41
Speaker 1: was very hesitant, but finally relented and told James that
22:45
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be cooperative as he was still on active
22:48
Speaker 1: duty and almost ready for retirement. Nevertheless, James Moseley says
22:53
Speaker 1: he did in fact speak directly with mister Z, who
22:56
Speaker 1: verified that missus Y did in fact work the location,
23:00
Speaker 1: but he summarily denied ever photographing one or having any
23:04
Speaker 1: first hand knowledge of them, and he said that no
23:07
Speaker 1: saucer had ever passed through the base. He did describe
23:11
Speaker 1: missus Y as quote an upstanding woman, and he said
23:14
Speaker 1: that he couldn't guess why she would be telling such
23:17
Speaker 1: a story. James Moseley was, of course frustrated. He couldn't
23:22
Speaker 1: imagine a less likely hoaxer than missus Why. But at
23:25
Speaker 1: the same time, here was mister Z denying the whole story.
23:29
Speaker 1: And as James said, somebody was lying. If missus Y
23:33
Speaker 1: were lying, there wasn't anything to the captured saucer that
23:37
Speaker 1: if missus Y were not lying, somebody should be able
23:40
Speaker 1: to prove it, and somebody should tell the public. If
23:43
Speaker 1: missus Y were not lying, mister Z would have to lie.
23:47
Speaker 1: What could I do about it? Not much, for I
23:50
Speaker 1: probably exaggerated my own effectiveness. But there was one way
23:54
Speaker 1: I could raise a lot of hell in the field
23:56
Speaker 1: and probably get a lot of public awareness going the
23:59
Speaker 1: next day. I would start my own Flying Saucer magazine.
24:03
Speaker 1: And he did, and this is how he became a
24:06
Speaker 1: very influential figure in this field, and that's how he
24:10
Speaker 1: started his famous magazine, Saucer Smear. I found that one
24:14
Speaker 1: is to be particularly credible. She had nothing to gain
24:18
Speaker 1: from coming forward and sharing this. Did so very reluctantly,
24:22
Speaker 1: and only on the condition of absolute anonymity, and I
24:26
Speaker 1: have to wonder how many other people out there don't
24:28
Speaker 1: have the courage and strength to share what they saw
24:31
Speaker 1: and we're basically told not to talk about. I would
24:35
Speaker 1: imagine it's in the many thousands, tens of thousands, or more,
24:39
Speaker 1: because it appears that this is again not nearly as
24:42
Speaker 1: uncommon as we have been led to believe. Now, let's
24:47
Speaker 1: move to the next case. Of all the ten cases
24:50
Speaker 1: I'm presenting in this compilation, this one is probably the
24:53
Speaker 1: best known. Was researched by Raymond Fowler, an absolutely impeccable
24:58
Speaker 1: and thorough reason searcher who I respect immensely. I call
25:02
Speaker 1: this one the Maddidale incident, who s occurred in nineteen
25:06
Speaker 1: fifty three or nineteen fifty four thereabouts, of course in Maddidale,
25:11
Speaker 1: New York. This is a really fascinating case with I
25:14
Speaker 1: think very credible witnesses. Again, this case comes from Raymond Fowler,
25:19
Speaker 1: best known perhaps for his investigation into Betty Andreasen and
25:23
Speaker 1: also the Aligash Main case. He also helped break the
25:27
Speaker 1: story of the kingman Ufo crash in Arizona. But this
25:31
Speaker 1: next case involves a husband and wife who apparently came
25:34
Speaker 1: upon a UFO crash incident back in the nineteen fifties.
25:39
Speaker 1: It was covered in Raymond Fowler's book Case Book of
25:42
Speaker 1: a UFO Investigator. The witnesses are Bill Marsden, who held
25:46
Speaker 1: a law degree from the University of Breslau in Germany,
25:50
Speaker 1: had a degree in physics and was the director of
25:53
Speaker 1: information services at a major electronics company, and his wife,
25:58
Speaker 1: who also had a law degree from the same university
26:01
Speaker 1: and had served in the German Army. So I'll just
26:04
Speaker 1: quote Bill Marsden directly from Raymond Fowler's interview. As Bill says,
26:11
Speaker 1: around three a m. On a Sunday morning, my wife
26:14
Speaker 1: and I were driving home from visiting some friends. We
26:17
Speaker 1: hadn't been drinking. As I crossed the freeway towards Hancock
26:21
Speaker 1: Field Airport Uphill, I noticed flashing red lights at the intersection.
26:26
Speaker 1: There appeared to be at least four or five police cars.
26:29
Speaker 1: I thought there had been an accident and slowed down
26:32
Speaker 1: to avoid trouble, but I couldn't see any accident. After
26:36
Speaker 1: turning left into Maddidale, I looked over my right shoulder
26:41
Speaker 1: and saw an object that appeared to be twenty feet
26:43
Speaker 1: in diameter and possibly fifteen feet high. In the center,
26:48
Speaker 1: phosphorescent lights of various colors were spaced across its surface.
26:53
Speaker 1: The lights from these sources were strong enough to illuminate
26:56
Speaker 1: several men walking around the object and examining it, somewhere
27:00
Speaker 1: in uniform, others were not. One of them was carrying
27:04
Speaker 1: what appeared to be a large press camera on a
27:06
Speaker 1: strap and was taking photographs. My wife remarked that it
27:10
Speaker 1: must be the Canadian Avro disk she had read about,
27:14
Speaker 1: so they continued on their way home, and after returning home,
27:18
Speaker 1: Bill could not stop thinking about what they had seen,
27:21
Speaker 1: so he decided to do some investigating. As Bill Marsden says,
27:25
Speaker 1: on Monday morning, I couldn't find any news reports about it,
27:29
Speaker 1: so I called the city editor. He said he didn't
27:32
Speaker 1: know anything about it, but would send someone to the
27:34
Speaker 1: sheriff's office to find out. I decided to call the
27:37
Speaker 1: sheriff myself and described the scene to the officer, who answered, yes,
27:43
Speaker 1: we know about it, but it's a military secret and
27:45
Speaker 1: we can't discuss it. I hung up and called the editor.
27:49
Speaker 1: When I told him what the police officer had said,
27:52
Speaker 1: he was very interested and said he would look into it.
27:55
Speaker 1: Right away. On my way home from work, I deliberately
27:59
Speaker 1: drove through the area to examine the field. The brush
28:02
Speaker 1: was freshly trampled around a shallow gully. The walls of
28:06
Speaker 1: this gully were compacted in two places where the object
28:09
Speaker 1: had apparently come to rest. Tire tracks indicated that a
28:13
Speaker 1: vehicle had entered the area from one road and exited
28:17
Speaker 1: onto the other. So yeah, Bill did his investigation and
28:22
Speaker 1: learned that authorities didn't know about this. So after talking
28:26
Speaker 1: with Raymond Fowler. Raymond Fowler also did an investigation, talked
28:30
Speaker 1: to police in the area, and they gave him various explanations.
28:34
Speaker 1: They told him stories about weather balloons falling in the area,
28:38
Speaker 1: about a winged tank falling from a plane, and or
28:41
Speaker 1: an airplane crashing in the woods, and this was all
28:44
Speaker 1: in the general timeframe and area of the Marsden's sighting.
28:49
Speaker 1: So he contacted Bill Marsden again to ask about this.
28:52
Speaker 1: But Bill Marsden vehemently discounted each of these explanations. As
28:58
Speaker 1: Raymond Fowler says, both the police and the Air Force
29:02
Speaker 1: at Hancock Field told the city editor that no such
29:06
Speaker 1: incident had occurred. The sheriff also denied that anyone in
29:09
Speaker 1: his department had told mister Marsden that the incident was
29:13
Speaker 1: a military secret. Not wanting to be considered crazy, mister
29:17
Speaker 1: Marsden dropped the whole matter. After my investigation, I contacted
29:22
Speaker 1: mister Marsden again, having just re studied his report in detail.
29:27
Speaker 1: I was impressed with his practical description of the event.
29:31
Speaker 1: I then suggested that he might have seen a balloon,
29:34
Speaker 1: a wing tank or a bomb reflecting the flashing lights
29:37
Speaker 1: of the patrol car. He simply replied that this theory
29:40
Speaker 1: did not explain why the object he and his wife
29:43
Speaker 1: had seen was much higher than the men surrounding it. Furthermore,
29:48
Speaker 1: he noted that the craft, which carried individual multi colored lights,
29:53
Speaker 1: was shaped like an inverted bowl over another bowl, and
29:56
Speaker 1: there was a clearly defined rim where the edges of
29:59
Speaker 1: the bowl sh shaped segments meant a huge thanks to
30:03
Speaker 1: those two witnesses for coming forth and sharing what they saw.
30:07
Speaker 1: It's really an amazing case and it looks like again
30:11
Speaker 1: this was pretty effectively covered up. Thanks also to mister
30:16
Speaker 1: Raymond Fowler for doing his very thorough research into these cases.
30:21
Speaker 1: It's not the only case of a UFO crash retrieval
30:24
Speaker 1: that he's uncovered. And again, I think quite a few
30:27
Speaker 1: researchers do run across these kinds of cases. We've run
30:31
Speaker 1: across a few myself, as we'll see in just a
30:34
Speaker 1: few moments. But yeah, amazing. Now let's move to the
30:39
Speaker 1: next case. This is another one from Leonard Stringfield. God
30:42
Speaker 1: bless him. We would not be where we are today
30:44
Speaker 1: without Leonard Stringfield. I call this next case. I couldn't
30:49
Speaker 1: believe what I was seeing. This occurred sometime in the
30:52
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen fifty three at Camp Polk, Louisiana. This
30:57
Speaker 1: is technically a single witness case. Though there were many
31:00
Speaker 1: many people on the scene who saw this, apparently none
31:04
Speaker 1: have come forward at this point. And after you hear
31:08
Speaker 1: this account and see what happened to this witness, he'll
31:11
Speaker 1: probably understand why this subject still continues to be controversial
31:16
Speaker 1: and has not gone mainstream, and that there are still
31:19
Speaker 1: people who are skeptical about it because those whistleblowers who
31:22
Speaker 1: come forward almost always receive some kind of repercussion from
31:27
Speaker 1: going forward. This case was referred to Leonard Stringfield by
31:31
Speaker 1: Lois Kukick of the Pennsylvania Center for UFO Research, and
31:35
Speaker 1: was also investigated by doctor Peter Rank, who worked closely
31:39
Speaker 1: with Leonard Springfield. The witness is understandably anonymous and is
31:44
Speaker 1: known only by his initials h J. He served in
31:48
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth Infantry in Korea, something that Leonard Stringfield
31:52
Speaker 1: was able to verify. At age seventeen, he was a
31:56
Speaker 1: private in B Company at Camp Polk in Louisiana, serving
32:00
Speaker 1: under the commander of Sergeant RS again whose name is
32:04
Speaker 1: known by Leonard Stringfield. This case was published in Leonard
32:08
Speaker 1: Stringfield's Status Report three and later in his book UFO
32:12
Speaker 1: Crash Retrievals. Was around dusk one evening in the summer
32:15
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty three that HJ was on maneuvers with
32:19
Speaker 1: his platoon of about eight or nine men when they
32:23
Speaker 1: observed an unidentified egg shaped object make a crash landing
32:27
Speaker 1: on the soft sandy soil. They said it was as
32:30
Speaker 1: wide as a three bedroom, single story ranch house. Pretty big.
32:34
Speaker 1: They immediately notified their superiors and HJ and his fellow
32:38
Speaker 1: soldiers in B Company were ordered to guard the site
32:41
Speaker 1: while a special detachment and other emergency vehicles were rushed
32:45
Speaker 1: to the scene. HJ learned that the site was roped
32:49
Speaker 1: off for a fifty mile radius and MPs were posted
32:54
Speaker 1: on guard everywhere. HJ says that he was able to
32:58
Speaker 1: initially approach within forty five five feet of this strange object,
33:02
Speaker 1: before later being ordered by a lieutenant w to pull
33:06
Speaker 1: back to three hundred feet away. Said HJ. Peans like
33:10
Speaker 1: me had to get out of the way. Nevertheless, he
33:13
Speaker 1: did get a good look at this object. And I'll
33:16
Speaker 1: just quote Leonard Stringfield as Leonard says. According to h J,
33:21
Speaker 1: the large ovoid object was without windows or lights and
33:25
Speaker 1: was surrounded by a fin like protrusion at its equator,
33:28
Speaker 1: which was still rotating. The ground around it, he said,
33:30
Speaker 1: was burnt into a powdery substance like crushed brick and
33:34
Speaker 1: was still hot. Soon to arrive at the site were
33:37
Speaker 1: top Brass and medics. He remembered them going to the
33:41
Speaker 1: hatch on the side of the craft, which was open,
33:44
Speaker 1: and after a while watched his two medics carried away
33:47
Speaker 1: a stretcher containing a body to the ambulance, and then
33:51
Speaker 1: three other of the crew emerging being aided by the
33:55
Speaker 1: medics as though injured. The occupants of the craft were
33:58
Speaker 1: only three and a half to four feet tall, a
34:01
Speaker 1: very slight build, and walked as though they had no knees,
34:05
Speaker 1: very stiff bedding only at the hips. The large heads
34:08
Speaker 1: also without features, he believed were covered by a helmet.
34:12
Speaker 1: Their uniform tight fitting he described as a dull, metallic
34:16
Speaker 1: green per HJ. When the hatch opened, there was a
34:19
Speaker 1: small ramp which the surviving UFO occupants used to walk
34:23
Speaker 1: out of the craft. One of the UFO occupants was
34:26
Speaker 1: too injured and yes was carried on a litter by
34:29
Speaker 1: ambulance personnel. But per HJ, one of the UFO occupants
34:33
Speaker 1: who was walking quote kept looking at the one in
34:37
Speaker 1: the litter and made strange noises. I couldn't believe what
34:41
Speaker 1: I was seeing now. HJ later heard that the survivors
34:44
Speaker 1: of this craft had been taken to a hospital and
34:47
Speaker 1: put in isolation, but that all three had soon died
34:51
Speaker 1: and their cadavers were sent to a medical center near Washington,
34:54
Speaker 1: d C. Following this incident, HJ and every single person
34:59
Speaker 1: in involved in this retrieval operation were subjected to quote,
35:04
Speaker 1: every kind of test. This happened over a period of
35:07
Speaker 1: three days at the base hospital. Now. Although reluctant to
35:11
Speaker 1: talk about his experience, HJ did cooperate with Lois Kkick
35:15
Speaker 1: Leonard Stringfield and doctor Rank, allowing them to interview him repeatedly,
35:21
Speaker 1: but he stressed over and over again that he wanted
35:23
Speaker 1: to be anonymous and wanted no publicity whatsoever. Was during
35:28
Speaker 1: one of these interviews that HJ said that he had
35:31
Speaker 1: finally located a list of all the members of the
35:34
Speaker 1: B Company who had also been involved in this operation,
35:37
Speaker 1: and actually sent this list to doctor Peter Rank, who
35:41
Speaker 1: sent the list to Stringfield. Leonard Stringfield then personally asked
35:45
Speaker 1: h J to write a signed statement testifying to his experience.
35:50
Speaker 1: And this is what Leonard Stringfield says happened. Says Leonard.
35:54
Speaker 1: He consented, wrote three pages and signed his name. His
35:59
Speaker 1: wife mailed the letter at the local post office on
36:01
Speaker 1: October third or fourth in nineteen eighty one. It never arrived.
36:06
Speaker 1: On February third, nineteen eighty two, I called HJ to
36:10
Speaker 1: inquire about his health and to advise him to send
36:13
Speaker 1: another statement by registered mail. His phone had been disconnected. Wow,
36:18
Speaker 1: what a case that was. This witness was clearly, very
36:21
Speaker 1: profoundly affected by it, and my heart goes out to
36:25
Speaker 1: all the people who experienced this firsthand and are basically
36:29
Speaker 1: told no, you can't talk about it, and they don't
36:32
Speaker 1: talk about it, and when they do, we see what happens.
36:35
Speaker 1: It's such a shame. This UFO COLORP has got to stop.
36:40
Speaker 1: Secrecy is the wrong decision. I can understand that there
36:44
Speaker 1: are some things that we don't need to know, but
36:47
Speaker 1: something this profound, this earthshaking, I think we all deserve
36:51
Speaker 1: to know the truth. And this is the kind of
36:54
Speaker 1: evidence that is absolutely, as I said earlier, conclusive, to
36:58
Speaker 1: the point that it would change the way everybody on
37:01
Speaker 1: Earth feels about this subject. So yeah, we deserve to
37:05
Speaker 1: know the truth. There's so many cases. Here's another one.
37:09
Speaker 1: This is one that I researched personally. I call this
37:12
Speaker 1: one nobody will believe you. This occurred in nineteen eighties
37:18
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. This was published in my book Not
37:22
Speaker 1: From Here, Volume one. It is technically hearsay in that
37:27
Speaker 1: I did not talk directly to the witness involved, but
37:30
Speaker 1: I did talk to somebody who did talk to the witness,
37:33
Speaker 1: and I think you'll find this story particularly compelling. This
37:36
Speaker 1: case comes from a man named Jonathan, who I interviewed personally.
37:41
Speaker 1: He contacted me after reading about my research into UFOs.
37:45
Speaker 1: He said he was at one time employed by the
37:47
Speaker 1: United States Air Force. He worked as a flight commander
37:50
Speaker 1: trainee at Anniston Air Force Base in Alabama. One evening
37:54
Speaker 1: in late nineteen seventy six, while walking the base grounds
37:58
Speaker 1: with a friend, he says, they he countered a metallic
38:01
Speaker 1: disc with yellow lights around the perimeter. Jonathan and his
38:04
Speaker 1: friend both experienced a period of missing time, and this
38:08
Speaker 1: left them absolutely convinced that UFOs were real, but he
38:12
Speaker 1: never thought that the subject would cross his path again. Later,
38:16
Speaker 1: after leaving the military, Jonathan was told a strange story
38:20
Speaker 1: by a man I'll call Bill. Bill is the brother
38:23
Speaker 1: in law of Jonathan's ex girlfriend. Now per Jonathan, Bill
38:28
Speaker 1: was employed by the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency. Jonathan
38:33
Speaker 1: believed him because he noticed that every winter, Bill would
38:36
Speaker 1: disappear for the season, and when the cold was over,
38:39
Speaker 1: Bill would reappear with a deep dark tan and some
38:42
Speaker 1: strange tropical disease that he had contracted from some exotic,
38:45
Speaker 1: unknown country. At the time, Jonathan knew Bill. Bill was
38:50
Speaker 1: a retired CIA agent if there is such a thing,
38:53
Speaker 1: as Jonathan pointed out, and he was currently employed as
38:57
Speaker 1: a private detective. One day, the subject the UFOs came up,
39:01
Speaker 1: and Bill told Jonathan what he had found out while
39:04
Speaker 1: working for the CIA. Bill said that he knew firstthand
39:08
Speaker 1: that the Air Force had in its possession a crashed UFO,
39:12
Speaker 1: and that alien bodies had been collected by the military
39:15
Speaker 1: where they were being studied. Bill told Jonathan that the
39:18
Speaker 1: aliens were pretty much human like, that their organs were different,
39:23
Speaker 1: their heart was located in a different place in their body,
39:26
Speaker 1: the blood pressure was off the scale, and other strange abnormalities.
39:31
Speaker 1: Bill further states that he knew that one of the
39:33
Speaker 1: aliens was kept alive for a period of time, though
39:36
Speaker 1: all the others died when the UFO crashed. But that
39:38
Speaker 1: was just the beginning, because Bill then stated that the
39:41
Speaker 1: government was not only holding a number of crash UFOs,
39:45
Speaker 1: but that they were actually flying them around. Bill said
39:49
Speaker 1: that they would fly above the interstate highways in New
39:52
Speaker 1: Mexico late at night and would go from base to base.
39:56
Speaker 1: This was apparently a regular practice, one which resulted in
40:00
Speaker 1: an inevitable accident, because, according to Bill, these UFOs were
40:04
Speaker 1: being manned by military personnel, and one night, a military
40:09
Speaker 1: owned UFO crashed directly on an interstate highway in New Mexico.
40:15
Speaker 1: Bill said that the entire Highway was completely cordoned off
40:18
Speaker 1: around the crash site, and the highway was closed down
40:21
Speaker 1: because it was impossible to keep the event entirely secret.
40:25
Speaker 1: The media and the public were misinformed that it was
40:28
Speaker 1: simply the crash of an advanced military aircraft, which I
40:32
Speaker 1: guess it was, but the UFO and all traces of
40:35
Speaker 1: it were quickly recovered. Now Jonathan, the gentleman I talked to,
40:39
Speaker 1: was quite taken aback by Bill's story and said this
40:42
Speaker 1: is dangerous information. Why are you telling me this? And
40:47
Speaker 1: Bill told him it doesn't matter because nobody will believe
40:51
Speaker 1: you anyway, and then made an insinuation that those who
40:54
Speaker 1: knew too much mysteriously disappeared so. Needless to say, Jonathan
41:00
Speaker 1: and was shocked by all this, and because of his
41:02
Speaker 1: previous encounter, he was certain that UFOs were real, but
41:06
Speaker 1: he had no idea that UFOs had crashed and been recovered,
41:10
Speaker 1: and he wasn't sure. He was happy knowing about this.
41:13
Speaker 1: When I spoke to him, he asked me if I
41:15
Speaker 1: had heard anything like this before, and was quite surprised
41:18
Speaker 1: that I had. He kept saying really, really, as I
41:22
Speaker 1: related similar stories to him, like the Roswell UFO crash.
41:25
Speaker 1: It was obvious to me that he thought UFO crashes
41:29
Speaker 1: were unheard of. Admittedly, that's just a tiny glimpse into
41:32
Speaker 1: what's going on here, very hard to verify, but these
41:36
Speaker 1: stories start adding up. If it were just one or two,
41:39
Speaker 1: or ten or twenty or even one hundred, well that
41:42
Speaker 1: would be one thing. But it's now in the hundreds
41:45
Speaker 1: and mounting towards the thousands, if not there already. So
41:49
Speaker 1: no one's really been able to put all these cases
41:52
Speaker 1: together into one database that I think would be a
41:56
Speaker 1: research project well worth doing. Leonard string Field certainly gave
42:01
Speaker 1: it a try, but he's just one researcher and he's
42:04
Speaker 1: now passed on, and there are researchers who focus on
42:08
Speaker 1: this solely. And I think it's time that, yeah, these
42:11
Speaker 1: reports are taken far more seriously than they are, because
42:16
Speaker 1: it's such great potential for pay dirt, for really getting
42:19
Speaker 1: the proof that we all deserve that UFOs are real,
42:23
Speaker 1: which I think we already know by this point. But yeah,
42:27
Speaker 1: these cases are so amazing. Now let's move to another case.
42:33
Speaker 1: I've said several times already that many researchers have these
42:37
Speaker 1: kinds of cases. Well, here's one from another researcher, doctor
42:40
Speaker 1: Edith Fiori, PhD, who wrote the first book about you
42:45
Speaker 1: phone encounters by a person who has a PhD. So
42:49
Speaker 1: her research I think is profoundly important and this has
42:53
Speaker 1: had a huge effect on this field. I call this
42:56
Speaker 1: case return to sender. It occurred sometime in the early
43:00
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties in northern California, and again this is just
43:04
Speaker 1: a little tidbit, a little hidden jewel in the huge
43:08
Speaker 1: number of cases, but definitely worth knowing. This next account
43:12
Speaker 1: was published again in Edith Fiory, PhD's book Encounters That
43:18
Speaker 1: Occurred in the late nineteen eighties, when she interviewed a
43:21
Speaker 1: UFO contact tee by the name of Diane Tye. Diane's
43:26
Speaker 1: and her husband Paul, by pure chance, received compelling evidence
43:30
Speaker 1: that our own governments have obtained crash UFOs and alien bodies.
43:35
Speaker 1: So I'll just quote Diane directly, as Diane Tye says,
43:40
Speaker 1: one day, about four or five years ago, Paul came
43:43
Speaker 1: home and he was shaken. He said, I want to
43:47
Speaker 1: show you something that came into the company by mistake.
43:50
Speaker 1: It was addressed to a different company technical something, his
43:54
Speaker 1: is technical analysis. We opened it up and it was
43:58
Speaker 1: letters from an Air Force colonel to Barry Goldwater and
44:02
Speaker 1: some other people, and there were letters back and forth.
44:05
Speaker 1: But how this colonel had seen UFOs, he knew of
44:09
Speaker 1: other Air Force people who had seen UFOs, And why
44:12
Speaker 1: wasn't some of this information out? And what was going
44:15
Speaker 1: on at some Air Force base in California where they
44:18
Speaker 1: had a UFO and alien bodies. This was in all
44:22
Speaker 1: those letters. There were all these different letters back and
44:26
Speaker 1: forth and copies of letters. Paul said, I'm really scared
44:30
Speaker 1: about this. I don't know what I should do now. Diane, herself,
44:34
Speaker 1: being a contactee, was very much intrigued and actually thought
44:37
Speaker 1: it was wonderful. She was very excited about it. She
44:40
Speaker 1: said that there were about seven letters total. Senator Barry
44:44
Speaker 1: Goldwater was mentioned repeatedly, and the letters showed that he
44:48
Speaker 1: knew all about the issue of UFOs, crash saucers, and
44:52
Speaker 1: alien bodies in captivity. Paul, however, was not as excited.
44:56
Speaker 1: He was deeply concerned and didn't want to get involved.
45:00
Speaker 1: And as Diane says, he took the letters and I
45:03
Speaker 1: never saw them again. He said he got rid of them.
45:07
Speaker 1: Paul told Diane that he had found the address to
45:09
Speaker 1: the company that the letters were supposed to go to,
45:12
Speaker 1: and he mailed them there. What's so interesting about this
45:14
Speaker 1: case is that Senator Goldwater is well known for having
45:17
Speaker 1: been very vocal about the UFO issue. In fact, he
45:21
Speaker 1: is quoted as saying, I've been flying now for forty
45:24
Speaker 1: four years, and I'm the last guy that's going to
45:27
Speaker 1: say I don't believe they're up there. I've never seen one.
45:30
Speaker 1: But when air Force pilots, Navy pilots, airline pilots tell
45:34
Speaker 1: me that they see something come up on their wing
45:36
Speaker 1: that wasn't an airplane, I have to believe them. I
45:39
Speaker 1: am indeed interested in unidentified flying objects. I frankly feel
45:45
Speaker 1: that there is a great deal to this, and I
45:47
Speaker 1: have discussed it often with many Air Force officers. So
45:51
Speaker 1: several investigators have done research into the very Goldwater connection.
45:56
Speaker 1: Timothy Good is one of them, and he writes about
45:59
Speaker 1: this in his book Above Top Secret. As Timothy Good writes,
46:04
Speaker 1: Senator Barry Goldwater, former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
46:09
Speaker 1: visited Wright Patterson, hoping to get permission from General Curtis
46:13
Speaker 1: LeMay to examine the UFO evidence stored there, but he
46:16
Speaker 1: was refused. Copies of letter from Goldwater to various researchers
46:21
Speaker 1: in my files are worth quoting here. In a letter
46:25
Speaker 1: to Shlomo Arnand on twenty eighth March nineteen seventy five,
46:29
Speaker 1: he wrote, the subject of UFOs is one that has
46:33
Speaker 1: interested me for some long time. About ten or twelve
46:37
Speaker 1: years ago, I made an effort to find out what
46:39
Speaker 1: was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base
46:42
Speaker 1: where the information is stored that has been collected by
46:45
Speaker 1: the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request.
46:49
Speaker 1: It is still classified above top secret. I have, however,
46:54
Speaker 1: heard that there is a plan under way to release some,
46:57
Speaker 1: if not all, of this material in the near future.
47:01
Speaker 1: I am just as anxious to see this material as
47:03
Speaker 1: you are, and I hope we will not have to
47:06
Speaker 1: wait much longer. On April eleven, nineteen seventy nine, Goldwater
47:11
Speaker 1: wrote to Lee Graham, it is true I was denied
47:15
Speaker 1: access to a facility at Right Patterson. Because I never
47:19
Speaker 1: got in, I can't tell you what was inside. We
47:22
Speaker 1: both know about the rumors. The room that the Senator
47:25
Speaker 1: tried to visit is called the Blue Room, and according
47:28
Speaker 1: to my information, it contains UFO artifacts, but not craft
47:32
Speaker 1: or bodies. In another letter to Lee Graham dated nineteen
47:36
Speaker 1: October nineteen eighty one, Goldwater wrote, first, let me tell
47:41
Speaker 1: you I have long ago given up acquiring access to
47:44
Speaker 1: the so called Blue Room at Wright Patterson Is. I
47:47
Speaker 1: have had one long spring of denials from chief after chief,
47:51
Speaker 1: so I have given up. An answer to your questions,
47:54
Speaker 1: one is essentially correct. I don't know of anyone who
47:58
Speaker 1: has access to the Blue Room, nor am I aware
48:01
Speaker 1: of its contents, and I am not aware of anything
48:04
Speaker 1: having been relocated. To tell you the truth, mister Graham,
48:08
Speaker 1: this thing has gotten so highly classified. Even though I
48:12
Speaker 1: will admit that there is a lot of it that
48:13
Speaker 1: has been released, it is just impossible to get anything
48:18
Speaker 1: on it now. It's such a shame that Peter Tie
48:20
Speaker 1: didn't make copies of these letters he had accidentally received,
48:24
Speaker 1: because it would certainly be nice to know who this
48:26
Speaker 1: unnamed colonel was. But there can be no denying that
48:30
Speaker 1: Senator Barry Goldwater was absolutely convinced that there was something
48:35
Speaker 1: to these stories of UFO crash retrievals and alien bodies
48:39
Speaker 1: and et tech being held in secret by our governments
48:43
Speaker 1: and our military. So amazing, Senator Barry Goldwater really fought
48:48
Speaker 1: hard to get some of this information released and failed.
48:52
Speaker 1: He was unable to do it. Many researchers have looked
48:56
Speaker 1: into his involvement with the UFO subject. There's zero doubt
49:01
Speaker 1: that he was very interested in this and took it
49:03
Speaker 1: incredibly seriously. And he's just one of many government officials
49:08
Speaker 1: who have worked hard to get the truth out. So
49:11
Speaker 1: kudos to Senator Barry Goldwater for doing what he could.
49:15
Speaker 1: But again, this cover up is no joke. It goes
49:19
Speaker 1: beyond the highest levels of government, to the military industrial complex,
49:23
Speaker 1: to a cabal, if you want to use those words.
49:27
Speaker 1: I think the cover up the folks behind it are
49:29
Speaker 1: really the intelligence agencies, the Pentagon, the military industrial complex,
49:35
Speaker 1: the highest levels of the military. So we've got quite
49:38
Speaker 1: a job ahead of us to try to get the
49:40
Speaker 1: truth out about what's going on here. But I don't
49:43
Speaker 1: think we should give up, because again, this is such
49:47
Speaker 1: important information. So now let's move to another case. This
49:51
Speaker 1: one also comes from myself. Of all the people I've interviewed,
49:55
Speaker 1: I think this gentleman really provided one of the most
49:59
Speaker 1: pro found stories in terms of whistleblower accounts. It's very
50:05
Speaker 1: rare that I've gotten whistle blower accounts only a handful,
50:08
Speaker 1: but this is probably one of the best. I call
50:10
Speaker 1: it the Whistleblower. This occurred sometimes in the nineteen eighties.
50:14
Speaker 1: The location is Edwards Air Force Base in southern California.
50:18
Speaker 1: I did publish this account in my book Wondrous, and
50:21
Speaker 1: I briefly mentioned it in my episode called the Invasion
50:26
Speaker 1: of Edwards Air Force Bace. But here I want to
50:29
Speaker 1: tell the whole story because it deserves to be well known.
50:32
Speaker 1: This case comes firsthand from a man I'll call Vernon Spencer.
50:36
Speaker 1: That is a pseudonym, but as he says, my job
50:40
Speaker 1: for over twenty years was to provide specialized construction equipment
50:45
Speaker 1: to the California High Desert, including Edwards Air Force Base,
50:49
Speaker 1: China Lake, and Lockheed Helendale, among others. My customers were
50:54
Speaker 1: primarily tied to government contracts and prepared bids in equipment.
51:00
Speaker 1: Rental budget was one of the clauses that had little restriction.
51:03
Speaker 1: Our company began to apply one hundred percent of the
51:06
Speaker 1: rental paid on the construction equipment to go to the purchase.
51:10
Speaker 1: To make our profit, we tacked on the usual ten
51:12
Speaker 1: percent on new purchases. So in other words, what Vernon
51:17
Speaker 1: is saying is that customers at Edwards Air Force Base
51:21
Speaker 1: used a shortcut to get equipment quickly bypassing the more
51:24
Speaker 1: official route of submitting a formal request that would need
51:28
Speaker 1: budget approval an unwanted red tape, and because of this,
51:32
Speaker 1: Vernon was granted special access to the base. With one
51:35
Speaker 1: particular incident in the late nineteen eighties at Edwards Air
51:38
Speaker 1: Force Base that left him badly shaken. As he says,
51:43
Speaker 1: I was called to Edwards by a longtime customer because
51:46
Speaker 1: what they needed did not currently exist in the design required.
51:50
Speaker 1: I was given an annual base security sticker good for
51:53
Speaker 1: every base in my territory. So Vernon put the sticker
51:57
Speaker 1: on his unmarked company vehicle and he drove to the
52:00
Speaker 1: propulsional lab on the east side of the base. As
52:03
Speaker 1: he says, I was then driven to a building at
52:06
Speaker 1: the top of Rocket Site Mountain and then handed off
52:09
Speaker 1: to my customer. During our walk to his office, I
52:12
Speaker 1: ended up behind him while passing by a structure in
52:15
Speaker 1: the building. The hair on my head and arms tingled,
52:19
Speaker 1: and a thrumming could be heard and sensed There was
52:22
Speaker 1: a partially open viewport that my curiosity demanded me to open.
52:27
Speaker 1: Vernon turned his head and looked inside, and he could
52:30
Speaker 1: barely believe his eyes. As he says, I witnessed a
52:34
Speaker 1: craft hovering in a chamber, only attached to what looked
52:37
Speaker 1: like instrument cables. It looked like one of today's streamlined
52:41
Speaker 1: mid sized cars, like a Honda Accord. My customer grabbed me.
52:46
Speaker 1: He kept jamming his index finger against his lips so
52:49
Speaker 1: I would not make a sound. Our meeting concluded without
52:52
Speaker 1: any mention of what I saw. So Vernon finished the
52:55
Speaker 1: job and left the base, but he often thought about
52:58
Speaker 1: what he had seen, but had no opportunity to investigate it.
53:01
Speaker 1: But one year later, the same employer showed up at
53:05
Speaker 1: Vernon's company looking to rehire him. As Vernon says, while
53:09
Speaker 1: he was at our facility, we got into a joking,
53:12
Speaker 1: pissing contest, and I said I would no longer provide
53:15
Speaker 1: him with a thing until he told me what I saw.
53:18
Speaker 1: So they had a few beers together and were talking
53:20
Speaker 1: about this, and it took some convincing, but Vernon finally
53:24
Speaker 1: got the answer to what he saw that day at
53:26
Speaker 1: Edward's Air Force Base. As Vernon says, I took him
53:30
Speaker 1: to lunch and he said it was from a failed
53:33
Speaker 1: Star Wars program that was supposedly scrapped but became a
53:36
Speaker 1: black project. Counter Rotating magnetic fields were directed in a
53:42
Speaker 1: way that caused a hole or void to be projected
53:45
Speaker 1: in the desired direction of travel. He mentioned Tesla Tech
53:49
Speaker 1: and said that there were dozens of these drones in use.
53:53
Speaker 1: It was thirty years later, in very bad health, with
53:55
Speaker 1: his wife gone and no kids, that Vernon felt compelled
53:59
Speaker 1: to share his story. As he told me, I'm an
54:02
Speaker 1: old guy here, why not try to enhance the disclosure process?
54:07
Speaker 1: My heart goes out to this man. I mean, he
54:10
Speaker 1: contacted me on his deathbed in a hospital and died
54:14
Speaker 1: shortly after he spoke with me. He wanted to do
54:17
Speaker 1: his part to end UFO secrecy and kept this story
54:22
Speaker 1: secret for most of his life as he was ordered
54:25
Speaker 1: or basically threatened to do. This information has to come out.
54:31
Speaker 1: I keep saying it. We all deserve to know the
54:33
Speaker 1: truth about what's going on here. Now let's move to
54:36
Speaker 1: another case. So many of them, I call this next one.
54:40
Speaker 1: They definitely did not look human. This occurred on August
54:44
Speaker 1: thirty first, in nineteen eighty six, apparently at Wright Patterson
54:48
Speaker 1: Air Force Base to a teenage witness who was taken
54:53
Speaker 1: to see what appeared to be et bodies. Now, this
54:57
Speaker 1: case has not been officially investigated. It's virtually unknown, but
55:01
Speaker 1: this witness did provide first hand testimony, so I think
55:05
Speaker 1: we should at least take a look at it. It
55:07
Speaker 1: took the witness thirty seven years in this case to
55:10
Speaker 1: report his experience, which occurred when he was only fourteen
55:13
Speaker 1: years old. At the time, he had joined a civil
55:16
Speaker 1: air patrol auxiliary of the US Air Force out of Circleville, Ohio.
55:21
Speaker 1: They would do surgeon rescue operations out of Pickaway County
55:24
Speaker 1: and also drill ceremonies in marching competitions and other things.
55:29
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, the witness, who all call Craig
55:32
Speaker 1: that is a pseudonym, says that he was taken with
55:35
Speaker 1: his group to visit the Air Force Museum at Wright
55:38
Speaker 1: Patterson Air Force Base. Was after the trip that a
55:41
Speaker 1: young airman first class took them for a ride in
55:44
Speaker 1: a military passenger van to give them a closer look
55:47
Speaker 1: at the base itself and some of the aircraft. And
55:50
Speaker 1: it was during this time that the airman asked the group,
55:54
Speaker 1: would you like to see something neat The group of
55:57
Speaker 1: course unanimously replied in the affirmative, and this led to
56:01
Speaker 1: an experience that Craig would never forget. As Craig says
56:04
Speaker 1: in his own words, So our group was taken to
56:07
Speaker 1: a building which I can only describe as a combination
56:10
Speaker 1: warehouse and aircraft hangar. We were taken through a side
56:14
Speaker 1: door was dark inside. The airman hurried us all in,
56:18
Speaker 1: shut the door and turned the light on. They were
56:20
Speaker 1: the kind of lights that are in a gymnasium that
56:22
Speaker 1: have to warm up, and we could see across from
56:25
Speaker 1: where we were a large wall partially metal, mainly metal
56:29
Speaker 1: at the bottom, and what appeared to be very thick,
56:32
Speaker 1: possibly bulletproof glass, but you could see that there was
56:36
Speaker 1: something in there. The airman flipped on a few more
56:39
Speaker 1: switches and lights came on inside that shielded area. Now
56:43
Speaker 1: we could see five or six tubes, but look like
56:46
Speaker 1: tubes leaning in a forty five degree angle against the
56:50
Speaker 1: wall from the barrier, and a few more switches go on,
56:53
Speaker 1: and there appears to be bodies of some kind in
56:56
Speaker 1: these tubes. They definitely did not look human. All the
57:00
Speaker 1: kids were understandably shocked and really weren't sure what to think.
57:04
Speaker 1: As Craig says, I remember we all kind of looked
57:07
Speaker 1: at each other, thinking this can't be real. You know.
57:11
Speaker 1: It was a kind of disbelief. We all heard rumors
57:14
Speaker 1: about bodies being brought back to Dayton. A couple of
57:17
Speaker 1: the bodies seemed absolutely normal other than they were lifeless apparently,
57:21
Speaker 1: and a couple seemed to have been in some kind
57:23
Speaker 1: of crash. They seemed mangled and damaged and also deceased.
57:28
Speaker 1: There has been some disbelief over the years, myself, thinking
57:31
Speaker 1: this has to be some kind of show piece they're
57:33
Speaker 1: going to put in the museum as a gag. But
57:36
Speaker 1: all these years later, it's never been in the museum.
57:39
Speaker 1: So I wonder what I really saw that day, all
57:42
Speaker 1: those years ago. I can't help but think I saw
57:45
Speaker 1: deceased aliens being kept in some kind of tube, almost
57:49
Speaker 1: like a cryogenic tube or something to preserve the body.
57:52
Speaker 1: Though apparently nobody asked any questions at the time. Everyone
57:55
Speaker 1: just stared at the bodies in stunned silence, wondering where
57:58
Speaker 1: these real ET's or something else. Finally, the tour came
58:01
Speaker 1: to a sudden close, as Craig says, after what seemed
58:06
Speaker 1: like a long time, but I know it wasn't. The
58:08
Speaker 1: airman kind of realized we got to get out of here,
58:11
Speaker 1: and you guys have to leave. We were shuttled back outside.
58:15
Speaker 1: All the lights went back off, and we were put
58:17
Speaker 1: into the van and drove back to our adult chaperones
58:20
Speaker 1: who were waiting for us. I think you'll agree that's
58:22
Speaker 1: an interesting account. You have to wonder what's going on here.
58:26
Speaker 1: Why what's he and these other children taken to see
58:28
Speaker 1: these et bodies, if that's what they were. There's quite
58:32
Speaker 1: a few accounts like this where people are basically taken
58:36
Speaker 1: to see something that nobody else gets to see, almost
58:39
Speaker 1: as if it's a test run to see how the
58:41
Speaker 1: public would react to disclosure. So perhaps that's what was
58:46
Speaker 1: going on here. Hard to say for sure, but it's
58:49
Speaker 1: certainly an event that this witness remembers for decades later,
58:54
Speaker 1: as most of these witnesses do. That's another thing that's
58:57
Speaker 1: interesting about these whistleblower accounts. Are not people who are
59:01
Speaker 1: being taken on board a craft and undergoing procedures or
59:05
Speaker 1: reading ET's face to face, or that's recalled under regressive
59:08
Speaker 1: hypnosis or anything like this. These are not distant sightings
59:12
Speaker 1: of anomalous lights at night. These are people who have
59:15
Speaker 1: had very close encounters with what appeared to be crash UFOs,
59:19
Speaker 1: et bodies, reverse engineering of et craft. It's amazing to
59:24
Speaker 1: think all of this is going on right under our noses,
59:27
Speaker 1: and the general public has no idea. So now let's
59:31
Speaker 1: move to the last and final case in this compilation.
59:35
Speaker 1: I call this one a secret base in Alaska. This
59:39
Speaker 1: occurred sometime in the nineteen nineties, as near as I
59:42
Speaker 1: can tell, in Alaska. This case actually was researched by me.
59:50
Speaker 1: I have to thank my father for actually giving me
59:53
Speaker 1: the information about this case. He played an integral role
59:57
Speaker 1: in that. Even though oddly he was profoundly skeptical of UFOs,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: he absolutely was supported my research. Even though he never
1:00:08
Speaker 1: really did read my UFO books, he definitely helped me
1:00:12
Speaker 1: quite a bit. This account was published in my book
1:00:15
Speaker 1: Not From Here, Volume one. I've never talked about it
1:00:18
Speaker 1: in any of my episodes, so I think it's time
1:00:21
Speaker 1: to reveal this particular case again. I have to thank
1:00:25
Speaker 1: my father, James Dennett, for bringing this story to light.
1:00:29
Speaker 1: This case involves two people, neither of whom would give
1:00:31
Speaker 1: their real names. So I'll call the first person, Greg Edwards.
1:00:35
Speaker 1: In the second, the main witness, Tom Matthews, My father,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: spoke to someone who knew Greg, so this story was
1:00:42
Speaker 1: passed to me through two intermediaries, as the main witness,
1:00:46
Speaker 1: Tom refused to speak to me directly. Greg and Tom
1:00:49
Speaker 1: were apparently best buddies and considered each other blood brothers.
1:00:53
Speaker 1: Greg thought he knew everything there was to know about Tom,
1:00:56
Speaker 1: but then one day Tom approached Greg with a startling revelation.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: Tom said that nearly everything he had told Greg about
1:01:03
Speaker 1: his life was not true, that he had lied about
1:01:06
Speaker 1: his job, where he worked, what he did, everything, all
1:01:10
Speaker 1: of it was live. Tom then told Greg the truth
1:01:13
Speaker 1: what he really did for a living, and what Tom
1:01:16
Speaker 1: revealed about his work is the stuff of science fiction,
1:01:19
Speaker 1: but Tom insisted that it was all true. Tom's story
1:01:23
Speaker 1: began a high school. He was extremely intelligent and had
1:01:26
Speaker 1: received an exceptionally high score on the SAT, the Schalactic
1:01:31
Speaker 1: Aptitude Test, and in fact, his scores were so high
1:01:35
Speaker 1: it caused some attention to be paid to him. It
1:01:37
Speaker 1: seemed that the United States government was very interested in
1:01:41
Speaker 1: Tom and wanted him to work for them. He had
1:01:44
Speaker 1: no idea then, what his high scores were going to
1:01:47
Speaker 1: cost him. Government officials first approached Tom's parents and asked
1:01:51
Speaker 1: them if they would allow their son to work for
1:01:53
Speaker 1: the government. When Tom's parents gave their consent, Tom was
1:01:57
Speaker 1: approached and given an offer he basically could not refuse.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: In exchange for his services, he would receive a top
1:02:04
Speaker 1: secret clearance to match a ridiculously large salary, and his
1:02:08
Speaker 1: job was to conduct research in a top secret underground
1:02:12
Speaker 1: facility in Alaska. So Tom accepted the offer and went
1:02:16
Speaker 1: directly out of high school and into government service. He
1:02:19
Speaker 1: had to tell everyone that he was stationed in Nevada,
1:02:22
Speaker 1: but this was only a cover story because in reality,
1:02:25
Speaker 1: Tom spent only his weekends in Nevada. On weekdays, he
1:02:29
Speaker 1: flew by private military jet to this top secret government
1:02:33
Speaker 1: base in Alaska. The base, he said, was an eight
1:02:36
Speaker 1: story building located almost entirely underground. The base itself, this
1:02:41
Speaker 1: is interesting, was financed by setting up the world's leading
1:02:45
Speaker 1: drug smugglers. This is what Tom was told. Officials would
1:02:48
Speaker 1: arrest the drug smugglers, confiscate all the money and drugs,
1:02:51
Speaker 1: and turn around and sell the drugs back to another smuggler,
1:02:54
Speaker 1: whom they would then proceed to arrest and confiscate This
1:02:57
Speaker 1: may sound like a strange way to finances scienceific military
1:03:00
Speaker 1: research base, but obviously very profitable and, although perhaps not
1:03:05
Speaker 1: strictly legal, such practices were done in the name of
1:03:09
Speaker 1: national security. Tom reported that the base was mainly a
1:03:12
Speaker 1: research station that nabbed up some of the best scientific
1:03:15
Speaker 1: minds in the country and had the latest technology for
1:03:18
Speaker 1: advanced research. He said that there were three major areas
1:03:22
Speaker 1: of research of which he was aware. First, the base
1:03:25
Speaker 1: researched and developed biological weapons, which, as Tom said, made
1:03:30
Speaker 1: all other weapons look like child's play. Secondly, the base
1:03:34
Speaker 1: researched and develop electronic sensory and detection devices that apparently
1:03:38
Speaker 1: allowed telescopic site through solid objects such as walls and ceilings. Thirdly,
1:03:45
Speaker 1: and most importantly here, the base researched and developed electromagnetic
1:03:49
Speaker 1: propulsion devices flying craft which needed no fuel to operate
1:03:54
Speaker 1: other than the Earth's magnetic field. According to Tom, the
1:03:58
Speaker 1: ships looked just like UFOs, were able to hover silently
1:04:01
Speaker 1: and move at astonishing speeds, and, as Tom said in
1:04:05
Speaker 1: his own words, some of the UFOs seen over Alaska
1:04:08
Speaker 1: are probably ours now. Tom refused to say exactly what
1:04:12
Speaker 1: his own job at the base entailed, but he did
1:04:15
Speaker 1: say that the security was extremely high. Every week, he
1:04:19
Speaker 1: was subjected to a horrible ritual. Due to the nature
1:04:22
Speaker 1: of his job, everything about him had to be known.
1:04:25
Speaker 1: He would be taken to a special room where he
1:04:27
Speaker 1: was given a dose of sodium pentathal truth serum and
1:04:31
Speaker 1: put into a hypnotic trance. For a period of a
1:04:34
Speaker 1: couple of hours, he would be interrogated into every single
1:04:37
Speaker 1: aspect of his life for the past week. Every detail
1:04:41
Speaker 1: would be laid bare to make sure that there were
1:04:43
Speaker 1: no security leaks. This agonizing ritual was repeated every week
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Speaker 1: for as long as he was at the base, and
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Speaker 1: there were no exceptions. Tom finally got out of the
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Speaker 1: business after several years because he said the lifestyle was
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Speaker 1: just too harsh. Since he left the base, he has
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Speaker 1: been it still is under very close monitoring by the government.
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Speaker 1: After his release from the base, he was offered several
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Speaker 1: extremely high paying jobs by some of the country's leading corporations.
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Speaker 1: Tom declined these offers and pursued a more modest job
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Speaker 1: and lifestyle. And that's Tom's story, which alone, again could
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Speaker 1: be easily dismissed, but in addition with those collected by
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Speaker 1: the other researchers. It seems evident that our government is
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Speaker 1: in possession of UFOs and in fact are flying them
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Speaker 1: around again. That case was published in my book Not
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Speaker 1: From Here, Volume one. It's a five volume series soon
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Speaker 1: to be six volumes, which I explore all different aspects
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Speaker 1: of ufology. So you can check that out if you'd like.
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Speaker 1: What's really interesting is Timothy Good, one of my favorite researchers,
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Speaker 1: actually read this account and published it briefly in one
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Speaker 1: of his books. So he is also an amazing researcher
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Speaker 1: who is working hard to end the UFO cover up.
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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons most researchers are
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Speaker 1: out there trying to get this information out. The UFO
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Speaker 1: cover up, I think is a real bad choice. Our governments,
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Speaker 1: our secret governments, have badly bungled the whole UFO situation.
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Speaker 1: The cover up should never have taken place. It's interesting
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Speaker 1: because when the Roswell crash happened in nineteen forty seven,
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Speaker 1: there was that memo, that press release which basically said
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Speaker 1: we have a UFO, and then it was retracted. If
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Speaker 1: it hadn't been retracted, we might be living in a
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Speaker 1: very different world. Such a shame because again judging from
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Speaker 1: the huge number of accounts, there's no doubt in my
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Speaker 1: mind that these UFO crash retrievals have taken place, that
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Speaker 1: there's a ton of them, and that to some extent
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Speaker 1: we have reverse engineered ET technology to the point that
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Speaker 1: a lot of the people are seeing, particularly these days,
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Speaker 1: is in fact not extraterrestrial in terms of the eties
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Speaker 1: being inside, but US humans flying this stuff around. So
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Speaker 1: that alone makes this kind of research of absolute importance.
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Speaker 1: So thank you very much. I hope you've enjoyed this episode.
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Speaker 1: I truly appreciate you guys watching, and until next time,
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Speaker 1: keep asking those hard questions, keep searching for the truth.
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Speaker 1: Most important of all, keep having fun. I will see
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Speaker 1: you next week for a new episode of UFOs and
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Speaker 1: the Paranormal. Bye for now.