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Is President Trump losing the narrative war to Vahidi and the IRGC? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale in Greats America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm kicking off this hour
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  Speaker 1: with Matt Continetti, he of the Wall Street Journal, only
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  Speaker 1: of the American Enterprise Institute on Thursdays. He's he of
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  Speaker 1: the commentary podcast as well, and now we've talked them in.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how we did this into a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times a week, but I love getting Matt's take.
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  Speaker 1: This is the short version on Tuesday. Matt, I hope
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  Speaker 1: you're having a great week. I don't have time to
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  Speaker 1: mess around and find out how everything's going. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get right to the propaganda war with the Iranian regime.
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  Speaker 1: President Trump and the Iranian regime seem to have fundamental misunderstandings.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is wrong about what's in the agreement.
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  Speaker 1: Are we getting played by the Iranians.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're getting played by the Iranians too.
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  Speaker 2: I think what's happening is a messaging war over the agreement.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, in Iran and Trump, you have two
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  Speaker 2: master kind of overseers of the media. Trump is a
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  Speaker 2: master of the media, but the Iranian echo chamber they're
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  Speaker 2: pretty powerful too, and so we're seeing these clashing narratives.
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  Speaker 2: I think what most matters is the actions. Is the
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  Speaker 2: straight open, is the oil getting out? Will the Iranians
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  Speaker 2: follow up on their commitment? Are we rewarding them for performance,
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  Speaker 2: not simply for showing up at the negotiating table? And
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  Speaker 2: are we allowing Israel to defend itself not just against
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  Speaker 2: imminent attacks, whatever that means, but actually able to defend
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli population from the Hesbala strikes that have been
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  Speaker 2: going on throughout this supposed ceasefire.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So Secretary of Rubio has been heard from today.
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  Speaker 1: He's on the Turmac and an Abu Dhabi Gagoal and
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  Speaker 1: he took some questions. I want your assessment of his answers.
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  Speaker 1: There's this cut number four talking about the money side
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  Speaker 1: of the deal. Secretary of Rubio and Abu Dhabi, the
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  Speaker 1: might that both the FIST of the US will.
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  Speaker 3: Not pay any money that fund.
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  Speaker 4: Are you going to be asking, don't all I here
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  Speaker 4: to consider helping the fact?
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  Speaker 5: You know that's far down the road.
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  Speaker 6: It's a part of what's discuss that could happen. If
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  Speaker 6: Iran makes a decision, If it's leadership makes a decision
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  Speaker 6: that they want to be a country instead of a
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  Speaker 6: revolutionary movement that exports terror, They're going to have an
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  Speaker 6: opportunity to do incredible things in Iran. I'm not promising
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  Speaker 6: you if that's the choice they're going to make. I'm
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  Speaker 6: saying that's the choice that they make, then there will
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  Speaker 6: be opportunity, and those opportunities could include investments, as you've
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  Speaker 6: seen other countries in this region benefit from.
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  Speaker 1: Him up right there. So is he side stepping the question, Matt.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think he's giving an accurate reading of the
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  Speaker 2: MoU at least as I understand it. This supposed reconstruction
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  Speaker 2: fund of potentially hundreds of billions of dollars seems to
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  Speaker 2: me to be the carrot dangled in front of the
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  Speaker 2: Iranians if they agree to the full end of their
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  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons program, and if they agree to change their behavior,
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  Speaker 2: and that is as Secretary of Rubio said far off,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what's being discussed right now. Now we have
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  Speaker 2: an oil waiver that went into effect yesterday that allows
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  Speaker 2: the Iranians to sell oil to including to the United States,
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  Speaker 2: in a way they haven't been able to do for decades.
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  Speaker 2: That so far, it seems to me, is the major
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  Speaker 2: concession in addition to relieving the blockade that we have
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  Speaker 2: made in relation to the Iranians. But I think it
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  Speaker 2: also has to go to the Trump's larger purposes here,
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  Speaker 2: which is in opening the Strait of Hormuz and getting
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  Speaker 2: the price of oil down below seventy dollars a barrel
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  Speaker 2: as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 1: Now, our friend Mark dubowit's over at the Foundation for
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  Speaker 1: the Defensive Democracy, said about that waiver that if it
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  Speaker 1: was intended to go into an ESCRO account, it's not
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  Speaker 1: going into an ESCRA account. I don't know about how
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  Speaker 1: that works. Met. Are you satisfied that Mark is right
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  Speaker 1: or does in fact get to go anywhere want under
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  Speaker 1: the MoU.
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  Speaker 2: Mark is an expert on these issues, Hughes, so I'd
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  Speaker 2: be inclined to follow his line of reasoning. I also
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  Speaker 2: think that no one really knows what's going on, so
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of in the fog of peace, so to speak.
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  Speaker 2: Remember all the discussions you and I have had about
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  Speaker 2: what where the oil that we see is from Venezuela went.
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  Speaker 2: Trump seems to think that we had it, but I
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  Speaker 2: never saw any details there. I think all of us
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  Speaker 2: have to approach this with a high degree of skepticism
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  Speaker 2: and also an understanding that the Iranian regime has shown
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  Speaker 2: no signs of changing. This is still the same terrorist
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  Speaker 2: regime that has been in place since nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 2: If anything, we've kind of taken the mask off. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a religious regime with a terrorist apparatus. It is
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  Speaker 2: a terrorist regime that sometimes puts an Islamic patterna over
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  Speaker 2: its malign behavior in the region. So we have to
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  Speaker 2: understand that they're going to cheat. They're going to use
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  Speaker 2: this period to get as much money as they can,
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  Speaker 2: and to use money first to continue to repress the
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  Speaker 2: Iranian people, but second to rebuild as best they can.
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  Speaker 2: I think Trump's leverage here is the extraordinary amount of
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  Speaker 2: damage that the United States and Israel did to the
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  Speaker 2: Iranian war machine and to the Iranian economy during Operation
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  Speaker 2: on Epic Fury and the subsequent blockade. That gives us
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  Speaker 2: time to see if if the strait remains open. It
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  Speaker 2: allows Trump to reap the economic and political benefits. And
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  Speaker 2: it also I think encourages people like us who don't
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  Speaker 2: want America to make a bad deal to have our
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  Speaker 2: voices heard ahead of the next round of negotiations.
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  Speaker 1: I would like it if the messaging machine at the
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  Speaker 1: President's disposal, and sometimes it's the post he puts up.
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  Speaker 1: We're at work right now on questions like this one.
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  Speaker 1: Cut number five Secretary Rubio and Abu Dhabi earlier today
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  Speaker 1: cut number five lib and is right off.
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  Speaker 4: People are meeting in whattrig On as we speak. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because your position that that profit.
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  Speaker 6: Should be separate, Trump, that is it's separate because Lebanon
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  Speaker 6: is a sovereign country. It has a government, and when
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  Speaker 6: it comes to Lebanon, what's happening inside of Lebanon. We're
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  Speaker 6: going to negotiate and deal directly with the Lebanese government.
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  Speaker 6: I spoke to President Ayun along with the Vice president
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  Speaker 6: a few moments ago, spoke to them on Friday. Their
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  Speaker 6: people are there now on the ground directly, so the
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  Speaker 6: reason why that issue is always Now, there's an Iranian
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  Speaker 6: issue with regard to Lebanon, and that is a support
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  Speaker 6: and sponsorship of hesblog, and so that factor will be
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  Speaker 6: discussed as part of our conversations with the Iranians. But
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  Speaker 6: as far as the future of Lebanon, the feature of
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  Speaker 6: Lebanon belongs to the Lebanese people through their sovereign collective government,
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  Speaker 6: and that's who we're going to be working with.
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  Speaker 1: Again, Matt, I think that's a very nuanced attempt to
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  Speaker 1: avoid answering the question about whether or not there is
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  Speaker 1: a deconfliction center that has cut out Israel. What do
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  Speaker 1: you make of it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think Secretary of Rubio's answer is correct, and
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  Speaker 2: I hope it's the policy of our government. I think
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  Speaker 2: that that policy is being debated right now within the administration. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I take the view, Hugh, that Israel's self defense, it's
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  Speaker 2: war on terrorism, it's war against Hesblah, which has been
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  Speaker 2: terrorizing the northern parts of Israel for months, is a
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  Speaker 2: just war, and moreover, it gives not only Israel leverage
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  Speaker 2: over Hesbelah, it gives the United States leverage over Iran.
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  Speaker 2: The more that Israel fights and defeats Hesbela, the weaker
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  Speaker 2: Iran becomes because Hesblah is now Iran's main proxy in
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  Speaker 2: the region. So rather than having Iran use Hesbela to
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  Speaker 2: drive a wedge between the United States and Israel, I
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  Speaker 2: would prefer that America uses Israel to drive a wedge
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  Speaker 2: between Hesbela and Iran, and by the way, that would
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  Speaker 2: give us more leverage at the negotiating table in the
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  Speaker 2: months ahead. So this has always been the part of
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  Speaker 2: the MoU that disturbs me the most, simply because Israel
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  Speaker 2: and Lebanon are not party to the MoU. Hesbla is
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  Speaker 2: a terrorist army subsidized by Iran that has taken over
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  Speaker 2: parts of the Lebanese state. If anything, we need to
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  Speaker 2: help the Lebanese national government defeat the forces of Hesbla.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what these negotiations between Israel and Lebanon
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  Speaker 2: have been aiming at in the past months. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: want to see the MoU derail that process, which shows
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  Speaker 2: promise in favor of giving Iran a veto over our
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  Speaker 2: actions and Israel's actions in self defense.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. Now, the backbreaker in the deal
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  Speaker 1: for me is we got to get inspectors from the
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  Speaker 1: IAEA into the three known enrichment sites that are shattered
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  Speaker 1: and broken and obliterated, and into Pickaxe Mountain, which was
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  Speaker 1: not hit. And the Iranians are issuing their propaganda denials
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  Speaker 1: that that's going to happen. Jdvan said, it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: If it doesn't happen, in what time do we walk
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  Speaker 1: away from the table with them?
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  Speaker 2: Matt, Well, if we know it's not going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: we would walk away as soon as possible. And here, Hugh,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was very important that President Trump said
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  Speaker 2: the following yesterday, He said, if Iran doesn't live up
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  Speaker 2: to this a great dear agreement, or if they're not behaving,
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  Speaker 2: I will do what I have to do. Trump has
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  Speaker 2: been the backstop throughout this process. He will not allow
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  Speaker 2: Ron to obtain a nuclear weapon. We know from the
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  Speaker 2: Operation Midnight Hammer and Operation Epic Fury that the or
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  Speaker 2: any nuclear program has been set back years. One Israeli
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  Speaker 2: expert I looked at this morning says three to five years.
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  Speaker 2: So that means is we damaged them. Trump has lived
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  Speaker 2: up to his promise. He needs to continue to be
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  Speaker 2: the backstop as this negotiations take place, and as I
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  Speaker 2: think will be likely, the ceasefires extended for another sixty days.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of this sixty days, and a very.
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  Speaker 1: Quick dag jit Matt, i'm an I submitic attack and
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  Speaker 1: fatalities in Montreal yesterday, and I submitted stuff going on
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  Speaker 1: all over New York today. Is it time for APAC
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  Speaker 1: to really try and become more than Jewish Americans support
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  Speaker 1: of Israel and find all of the non Jewish Americans
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  Speaker 1: who support Israel to join APAK so it's no longer
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  Speaker 1: a sly way of being anti Semitic by attacking APAK.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think APAK has always had a considerable outreach
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  Speaker 2: hu to non Jewish supporters of Israel, especially Christians, especially
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  Speaker 2: minority groups, and they should extend that they should ally
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  Speaker 2: with other pro Israel groups as they have been doing,
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  Speaker 2: because the climate has become so antisemitic now that every
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  Speaker 2: supporter of Israel and the Jewish people needs to speak
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  Speaker 2: out and be active in defense of personal identity and
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  Speaker 2: also the Jewish state.
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  Speaker 1: Hey amen to that, matt Continetti, Thank you follow matt On.
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  Speaker 1: Actually Continetti read him in the Wall Street Journal extinct
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  Speaker 1: tuh the competed shots. Welcome Back, America, I'm d do it.
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  Speaker 1: Join now by Michael Duncan, co host of The Ruthless Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: From the studios of The Ruthless Podcast, Duncan, I got
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  Speaker 1: a question for you. I knew Holmes and Ashbrut from
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  Speaker 1: their time with Leader McConnell. I knew Smug from the
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  Speaker 1: posters in the post office, but I don't know anything
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  Speaker 1: about your backstory. How did you end up in DC?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know what to do after college,
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  Speaker 4: as a lot of people find themselves in that weird,
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  Speaker 4: precarious place post grad. You're trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 4: to do. And I moved out to DC and fell
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  Speaker 4: in love with it, fell in love with politics, less
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  Speaker 4: like the Capitol Hill vibe and more political campaign So
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  Speaker 4: I went out and worked on campaigns and really got
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  Speaker 4: into digital politics. And that's how I met John and
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  Speaker 4: Josh was on McConnell's campaign in twenty fourteen, got hired
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  Speaker 4: to be his digital consultant, and the rest is sort
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  Speaker 4: of history. We've been working together ever since.
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  Speaker 1: Now. I've had great campaigns in which I've been involved
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  Speaker 1: in which they've won. And my first campaign was Paul Cronin,
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  Speaker 1: who got wiped out in nineteen seventy four, followed by
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  Speaker 1: Jerry forty lost in seventy six. What's your batting averaging campaigns,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Duncan.
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  Speaker 4: Oh gosh, over ninety five percent. Yeah, our losses are
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  Speaker 4: our losses are few and far between. But you know
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  Speaker 4: what as agony of defeat, guys, those stick with you forever.
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  Speaker 4: But the great thing about politics, I think, like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of things, is you learn the most from when
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  Speaker 4: you came up shore.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's well said. I still remember that nobody alerted
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  Speaker 1: to me the fact that Paul Cronin could possibly get
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  Speaker 1: wiped out in nineteen seventy I was eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: So what was I supposed to know? But oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: that's stung.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I bring that up because today you talked about Ruben Diego,
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  Speaker 1: and you talked a little bit about Taller Rico, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about first Ruben Diego.
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  Speaker 1: Not many people, although we're on in Phoenix and Tucson
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  Speaker 1: and Flagstaff and all those things, they will not have
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  Speaker 1: heard much about the Diego story because the legacy media
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  Speaker 1: is holding it down. What's the summary from your perspective,
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  Speaker 1: You guys got into it deep today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, basically that he set up a leadership pack that
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  Speaker 4: he's using as a personal slush fund to pay for
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  Speaker 4: everything from Super Bowl tickets to you know, nanny care.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a few less rules when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: leadership packs about you know, what candidates can allocate money towards,
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  Speaker 4: and he's certainly taking advantage of all of that. So
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  Speaker 4: it definitely raised a lot of eyebrows in DC because,
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  Speaker 4: like you said, not a lot of people have been
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  Speaker 4: reporting this, and so it shocked a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's I think it's a situation where
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  Speaker 4: Diego has been getting a lot of attention nationally and
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  Speaker 4: I have to think rival Democrats were the ones who
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  Speaker 4: pitched this in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he has this Swalwell problem as well, which is
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  Speaker 1: very close to the horrible person that is Eric Swalwell.
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  Speaker 1: But that'll come down the road right now.
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  Speaker 7: Is it legal to live large the way he lived large?
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know the law.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure you could find a campaign attorney
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  Speaker 4: to clear some of the stuff as long as it
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  Speaker 4: was in service to some other fundraising thing, and that's
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  Speaker 4: what they'll do a lot of times. Hugh is be like,
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  Speaker 4: I really want to do X. How can I justify
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  Speaker 4: it by calling it?
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, I want to go to the Four
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  Speaker 4: Seasons in Miami. Could we build out a fundraiser around
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  Speaker 4: that and I can have a personal trip mask of
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  Speaker 4: raiding as a fundraising event for my leadership pack. That
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  Speaker 4: is very common with some of these folks who get
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  Speaker 4: a little fast and loose with how they raise money
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  Speaker 4: for their leadership packs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now I understand. Second thing I want to play
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  Speaker 1: for you a couple of new tall RICO clips that
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  Speaker 1: surface from rnc OPA research. First cut number nine talking
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  Speaker 1: with a podcaster about Jesus, cut number It's.
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  Speaker 8: Very strange every time I think about it, that the
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  Speaker 8: most popular figure in our country, particularly on the conservative right,
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  Speaker 8: is this, you know, socialist anarchist from Mainsia, Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: And he follows it up with cut number ten.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's you know, I always think of myself
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  Speaker 8: as a Christian who hates Christianity up right, and like
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  Speaker 8: I always get always get drawn back into it.
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  Speaker 1: So how's that going to play in Texas? Michael Dugan,
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  Speaker 1: you're a consultant, It's.
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  Speaker 4: Not going to play too well. Hugh I'm shocked every
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  Speaker 4: day that they went with this cat in Texas of
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  Speaker 4: all places.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I understand they didn't really vet Graham Platiner up in Maine,
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  Speaker 4: but like a guy who says he's a Christian who
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  Speaker 4: hates Christianity, that strikes me as something that's going to
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  Speaker 4: be tough for Texans to get over. I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: And this guy makes Beta Orouric look like Gi Joe.
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  Speaker 1: We also had new Graham Plattner Appo drop and this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be drip drip, drip, drip drip, having
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  Speaker 1: just another crazy set of count Do you think he
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  Speaker 1: stays on the ticket through July thirteen, when he can
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  Speaker 1: drop out.
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  Speaker 4: I think he does, Hugh, And I think there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of Democrats if you listen to people in DC
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  Speaker 4: who are in the know, who are starting to say,
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  Speaker 4: we think we could get a Senate majority without Maine.
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  Speaker 4: That's really where their head's at. And I think it's
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  Speaker 4: useful for the Chuck Schumers of the world to look
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  Speaker 4: at an insurgent candidate like Graham Platner as a demonstration
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  Speaker 4: project of like here's the AOC wing of the party's
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  Speaker 4: attempt to win a statewide race. If they happen to fail,
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  Speaker 4: it might actually strengthen my hand.
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  Speaker 1: Well you remember, I'm sure you remember because you hang
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  Speaker 1: out with McConnell. Guys. The leader's first rule was first
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  Speaker 1: you got to win. And they're close. They could actually
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  Speaker 1: have a shot at the majority if they pull off
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  Speaker 1: an upset in Iowa or any of these other places.
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  Speaker 1: They might have a little lead in North Carolina right now,
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  Speaker 1: So that's one flip. But they got to us off
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  Speaker 1: in Georgia. I don't see him taking the Senate, do you.
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  Speaker 5: Today? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Gosh, no, I don't. But you know, we know what
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  Speaker 4: we know right now. We don't know what we don't
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  Speaker 4: know right the famous Rumsfeld line. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: races that we should have in the red column that
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  Speaker 4: are a little too close for comfort right now. You
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  Speaker 4: look at a place like Ohio and I have, you know,
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  Speaker 4: no fear that Houston's going to run anything but a
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  Speaker 4: strong campaign and get home at the end. But like,
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  Speaker 4: there's a wider map than we would think right now,
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  Speaker 4: and you got to watch all of it if you're
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: a Republican and make sure you turn out voters.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Keep your eye on Although shared Brown has gone Joe Biden.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: He's frail, old and afraid of meeting with people. And
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I mean it happened overnight, it happened in two years.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And he's frail and he's old, and he might not
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: be all there. Keep your eye on that. I want
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to close by thanking you for recognizing Month as older
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: today because I mentioned asof she's a voice of Georgia
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: along with Eric Erikson for a long long time and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: a pros pro. But I didn't know that your guys
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: had to work the booking with her. I love the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: line gracious, she graciously took the bums we offered her.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: That's from the podcast today.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. I mean, Josh and John had worked
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: with her for gosh, fifteen years, you know, and somebody
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: who was a pros pro in radio, and you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: she said such great things about the show, which you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: is really humbling for people like us, who, you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: we were new to this and we're certainly amateurs at it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: But Hugh, people like you and her are really pioneers
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: in this industry, and so working with y'all's really a
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: highlight for us.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Martha, though invented the statewide show, there are other people
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: who only do one state, and she really pioneered the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: model and I was just so happy to hear you
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: guys give her a sendout today. So the Ruthless Podcast
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: well done today. Michael Duncan America. I'm Hugh Hewitt joined
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: this segment by Bethany Mandel. She is one of the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: co founders of the mom Wars dot substack dot com. Bethany,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: good afternoon to you. Yesterday in Montreal there was an
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: attack on Haabad. One Israeli citizen was killed, one policeman
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was killed. Then yesterday Dan Goldman was harassed by the Uzbek,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: owner of a coffee shop in New York, and tonight
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the DSA is probably going to roll. And Dan Shifton,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: chairman of the National Security Studies Center at the University
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of Haifa, in the New Commentary podcast this morning, said
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: very bluntly, this has become a global war against the Jews.
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: You agree with that, I do, and the DSA is
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: looking to roll elsewhere, not just in New York City.
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: I live in Montgomery County, Maryland, outside of DC, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: I'm not feeling spectacular about the primary that's happening today.
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: Although I did vote, I recommend everyone who lives in
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: a deep blue area register as a Democrat and try
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: to disrupt that process in the Democratic Party because it's dire.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Do you have a DSA or in Montgomery County running
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: for something?
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: We do?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: We have several. Okay, now, I think we need to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: explain the audience what the Democratic Socialists of America were.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: It was a party begun by Michael Harrington, I think
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: in the sixties, kind of a nice old school socialist
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: who wanted to give out more benefits. He would not
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: recognize it today. It's anti American, anti israel, anti Semitic,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the three anties. And that's all it is. Is that fair?
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And they've said very plainly that their goal is
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: to take over the Democratic Party. It's it reminds me
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: of the Dodo bird. Canary Mission produced a good video
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: about this last year. Basically, the dodo bird goes into
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: a bird's nest of a different species of bird and
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: throws out all the eggs and lays its own eggs
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: and tricks the other species bird mother into caring for
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: those eggs, and then when those dodo bird eggs hatch,
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: they eat the motherbird that has just cared for them.
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: That is the analogy of the Democratic Party with the DSA.
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: They are infiltrating the party and they will eat it
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: from the inside.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know who gave you the dodo bird. The
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: dodo bird is extinct, Bethany. That is a cow what's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the bird? The cowbird? And from my own dad, it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: interesting day. It's the cowbird. And they are a predatory,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: invasive species. And usually when a developer is knocking down
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a bunch of habitats and billion, they have to adopt
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a bunch of mitigation measures. One is they have to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: trap and kill cowbirds, because that's exactly what they do. Mom,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: laser eggs, there, eggs, hatch, the new cowbird eats the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: other eggs. It's that simple, and that's what the DSA
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: is doing. It's also like Alien. Did you ever let
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: your innocent little eyes watch Alien?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: No?
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: But do you how many millions of people do you
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: think are yelling at their radio right now? So relieved
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: that you corrected me on dodo bird? I think it's
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: I think it's in the millions.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Probably, But it's okay, people, you got the key. Whatever.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: The key part of the analogy is it looks like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a bird's egg that's supposed to be there, but it's not.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So does the DSA get out from the trap of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the deep blue city or the deep blue county?
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: I think so.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: I mean here in Montgomery County, it's pretty scary, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: I think that you can extrapolate this nationwide. It's June
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: twenty third. How many people are voting in a primary election?
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: Not that many on a Tuesday. I just at the
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: camp bus pickup begging people who I'm good friends with,
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: who are very politically active, like I made you go
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: register as a Democrat. Now today you need to go vote,
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: and they're like, oh, I have a doctor's appointment, I
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: have thinks are going on. I'm yelling at my own
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: husband to do it and telling him I'll watch the kids.
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: Please go. Do you want to go?
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: Do you want to go?
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: In fifteen minutes?
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: When do you want to go? But people don't vote,
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: And so here Montgomery County, which is a massive, large,
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: politically activated county, the voter, the get out the vote
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: is like in the single digits. Our county executive was
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: chosen in the primaries by thirty five votes last time.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: The time before that, the election cycle before that, it
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: was sixty five votes. You're talking about very few people
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: who are getting out, and they have a really outsized influence,
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: because if you can activate a couple hundred people, you
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: can get someone really really bad on a Democratic slate.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: And if you do that, if you accomplish that in
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: a place like Montgomery County or New York City, you're
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: guaranteed general election victory.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So how do you feel about a Dan Goldman who
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: is an extreme partisan, hates Republicans, hate Trump. He's also
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: aver Jewish in supports Israel versus Brad Lanner, who is
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Jewish Controller of New York hates Israel, hates Donald Trump
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: is equally as does Dan Goldman. Does it really matter
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: whether Brad wins or Dan wins to a Republican.
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: I mean to me it does. As you know, someone
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: who emotionally associates herself with the Republican Party despite being
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: a registered Democrat, I think it matters a lot. We
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: need these moderate voices in every sector of government. Republicans
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: can and shouldn't control everything, and we need these moderate
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: voices who who stake these positions of like you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: Nuance that a lot of Democrats are unable to do
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: and yes they all have TDS. That's you know, part
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: of being a registered Democrat now is having that TDS.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: But if you can be more moderate and nuanced on
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: other things, that's important.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: When I was your age, there was a Sam Nunn,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a John Glenn, a less Aspen. There was a wing
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party, a dick dep part even who
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: weren't crazy. Even the early Joe Biden was just as
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: dumb as the old Joe Biden, but he wasn't infirm.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Uh there. I don't know that that party's ever coming back.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I think AOC is in the has got the Whippan
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: your assessment.
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's scary because the moderate wing are very bad
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: at what they do. They're the Hillaries, the Kamalas, the
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: they're just they have absolutely no flavor. They are like
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: English food. There's just nothing. It's just a blob of gray.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: And the aocs of the world and the Zoon Mamdanni's.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Are orange and delightful and.
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: Make snappy videos and they are they're waltzing into power
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: because they're actually interesting and can produce a video and
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: can produce a poster that's interesting and captivating.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: He promised free busses and for grocery stores. You guess
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: there are no grocery stores and there are any free busses.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Does anyone in New York notice that?
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: No, No, they're all idiots. They It's like, what have
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: you promised me today? I'll vote on that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Ooh, free, free, free. I like free.
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: But I think more than that, they voted on something
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: that was sexier. It was weirdly, it was like the
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: font of his campaign posters, like he just was interesting
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: and did a very good campaign. He was he was
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: very good at all of the things, the graphic design,
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: the videography, all those things, and he looked like he
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: was the hope and change candidate. And he does give
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: a good speech.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And that's it. What about Montreal? Your reaction to that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: coming to a city near us soon?
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: I mean it already did. This kind of thing has
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: happened across the country. It happened in Denver, it happened
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: in Los Angeles, It almost happened in Michigan. That was
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: a near disaster that so few people thought about past
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: the day that it happened. But someone tried to waltz
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: into a preschool, a Jewish preschool, and massacre one hundred
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: Jewish children. So I mean, it's just like, you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: another data point in unfortunately a large number of data
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: points that indicate like you need to have armed guards
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: everywhere Jews gather, even a supermarket, which is where this happened.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Next week, Ill maybe pose you Dan Shifton's question is
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you need to move to Israel? He was being very
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Zionist today on the podcast. Have you heard it yet?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: When you do, it's sort of like a challenged in
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: America and especially Canadian Jews, get out, come to the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: land where you're protecting. We'll see if that works. That
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that means good to talk to as always follower on
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: et Bethany Shandark read the mom work sub dot com.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Come right back for David Drucker or we returned to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the New hew At Show. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh HEWITTT.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: David Drucker is, of course lead political reporter for The Dispatch. David,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: how is the in your view the MoU playing domestically?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: After you answer that, I'm going to read you quotes
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: from Commander the Heati to senior regime officials courtesy of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Breaking News. Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: So look, I think domestically, most Americans just lad the
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: wars over and they're not really that concerned about what's
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: in them ou. I think if you're a voter who
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: is an Israel Hawk and concerned about Israel security and
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: has always been concerned about the Iranian threat from its
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: nuclear weapons program, and we're critical of Obama's Iran deal
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: to JCPOA, I think you're not very happy with this deal,
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: and you say you see it as is either problematic
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: or somewhat of a trail, and at the very least
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: you didn't think necessarily, although some people are not surprised
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: that President Trump would agree to a deal that they
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: believe is demonstrably weak. But again, if you're looking at voters,
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: I just think they're glad the war is over. They
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: never favored the war to begin with a majority of them,
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: even though a majority of Republicans were supportive. And what
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: they're concerned about is higher prices across the board, and
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: they want to see those go down, and they want
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: to see any economy that they believe is doing better
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: that it's doing today.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Okay. Channel fourteen in Israel is the source of these
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: quotes from the new IRGC commander Ahmed Vahidi to senior
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: regime officials. Won. We brought President Trump to his knees.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: We got what we wanted as usual, The foolish West
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: believes it is getting something in return from Us, which
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of course will never happen. Two. Our goal now is
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to keep Americans on a short leach any violation, no
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: matter how small well I was to threaten the closure
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of the Straight of Horror moves and Trump and people
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: will agree to anything. Three. Trump thinks we will spend
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: our money he is giving us on buying American goods
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that will not happen in our lifetime. For now, we
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: need to make the Americans understand that Israel is a
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: bad actor in the Middle East. That is the goal.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And five, do not give up anything, threaten, and if necessary,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: walk away from the talks. What do you think that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: I never trust the Iranians as far as I can
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: throw them, but that sounds like what they think and
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: what they believe in the way they've been acting for
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: the past nearly fifty years.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: So with that in mind, does the President have enough
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: runway to get to November before resuming combat or does
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he have to slap them down they're crippled, and as
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: someone said yesterday the week of the regime, they're tougher
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the talk. And I think that's what's going on here.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: But does he have to slap them down before the election?
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: Well, I I think if you're asking the question that way,
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: I don't know that it matters.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: And I'll tell you why.
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: But the sake of American credibility and from the perspective
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: of people who this is what they expected out of
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: the Iranians and why they wanted President Trump from their perspective,
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: to finish the job, that's exactly what you should do.
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: From the perspective of a majority of American voters, particularly
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: independent voters, who never supported this war to begin with
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: and are happy.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: To see it over.
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: Getting sort of reinvolving the United States in the war,
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: reigniting hostilities isn't going to make them happier with the
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: President of the Republican Party because he's preserving American credibility
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: and slapping down an Iranian threat. So I think the
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: president politically sort of between a rock and a hard place,
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: and so ultimately, when you're there, maybe you do what
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: you believe.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're John Houston in a tight race with
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Shared Brown, though Shared is apparently quite vacant. Quite Joe
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Biden in firmlight, or you're actually Hinton in Hintson in Iowa.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: What do you want the president to do? Because you
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: need the base to be out come November.
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: Well, you need the economy to improve, and you certainly
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: don't want to lose an element of the Republican base
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: that may be turned off by the president's actions.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: I just in regard to Iran over the past ten days,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: I just have yet to look at.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: Meaning not that I can't find it, but I always
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: like to wait a couple of weeks, then look at
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: Napoleon and see where the Republican coalition is, see where
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: the Democratic coalition is, see where independence are.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: But clearly, when you.
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: Have an indecisive White House that's already behind the eight
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: ball politically, and you've got a party playing defense, look,
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: they want to be able to tout wins and resoluteness
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: and in a sense that we're moving forward. You don't
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: want to betray the base. On the other hand, you
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: don't want to turn off independence. And when you're in
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: this position, Democrats have been in it, now Republicans are
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: in it. And we've seen this over the years, Hugh
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: walk in a tight rope. Now, look, I think in
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: states like Ohio and Iowa, Republicans you know, are likely
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: are more likely than less likely to be okay at
• 33:10
  Speaker 10: the end of the day because of the politics of
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: those states. But you know, as I've been saying over
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: the past three months the battleground that the political atmospherics
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: have shifted such that I think the Senate is contestable,
• 33:23
  Speaker 10: even if Republicans should still be somewhat favored.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: James tall Rico helped us out a lot today with
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the release of that latest dig out from his podcasting days,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: The Christian who Hates Christianity. He's really something. David M. Drucker,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: follow him one action, David M. Drucker, read him in
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the Dispatch, and stay tuned. Byron Ne York, isn't it
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Welcome back in America? I'm huge Towett joined now by
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Byron York. Byron is the lead political writer for the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: DC Examiner Washington Examiner. He's also a Fox News contributor
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and Byron the Spincourt released a bunch of opinions today.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: They still got a dozen to get out by the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: end of the week and just in time for a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: retirement season. Bloomberg led with a story on the eight
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: potential nominees they missed one. There's an informal list of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: nine that is floating around, so Sir General John Sower,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: District Court Judge Aileen Cannon, Andrew Oldham on the fifth Circuit,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: James Howe on the fifth Circuit, Naomi Row and Greg
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Katsis on the d C Circuit, Steve man Asham on
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the second Circuit. I'm with the part on the sixth
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: they neglected to put in their story, but on my list,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I see David Strauss of the eighth Circuit. Is there
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: going to be a vacancy? Is there a front runner
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: on that list? In your mind?
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: No on front runner and probably no on the vacancy.
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: You know, I just so, who is it going to be?
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: Is this supposed to be Alito? Is it supposed to
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: be Clarence Thomas? You know, I don't have a sense,
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: And of course these people don't talk to me. These
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: justices don't talk to me. I don't have a sense
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: that they're going to leave.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: It's obviously June of a year in which Trump could
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: possibly lose theoretically lose control of the Senate, so they
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: ought to get on to it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: If they're going to that announcement, I would imagine would
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: come next week, plenty of time. In fact, I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the vetting process has been underway in the White House
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Counsel's Office for quite some time, and I believe that
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: those nine names have all been vetted by the White
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: House Counsel's Office. The walk up to Bedminster is always
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you got to do that, and we did that with
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the finalists the last time around. But yes, I think
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I would not be I actually think Justice Alito will retire,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: so that's my prediction. I don't think Justice Thomas will,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: though I think he ought to because I think the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Senate's in danger. Do you think the Senate's in danger?
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: Actually, I mean I was talking to someone who I
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: respect quite a bit today thinks it's probably going to
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: end up being fifty one Republicans. So laws they think
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: losses are probably going to happen, but not a loss
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: of the control. But it's enough of a danger that
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: if you seriously think there's going to be an opening
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: on the Supreme Court after November and before the next
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: presidential election, you really need to take care of it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: Keep care of it now, because do you think a
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: Democratic Senate would confirm any court nominee.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think they'll confirm one judicial nominee. Not one.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: If Chuck Shumers and the majority leader, not at the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: district court level, not for the Court of Claims, they
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: don't get a tax court judge it confirmed.
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you're right. So you know, I think
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: that you know, if Republicans lose the House, which I
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: think is pretty likely, obviously, the president's legislative agenda, if
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: he has one, is just completely dead, and he'll probably
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: be impeached. But he can handle those things. He has
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: handled those things in the past. But losing the Senate
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: means confirmations, and it could mean, as you say that,
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: he literally cannot confirm any judge in the next two years.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not one. And so if you're Justice Alito, Justice Thomas,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: you have to be ready to do six more years,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: because of course, the rule is it's time for a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: change after two terms of anyone. And it's very unusual
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: for George H. W. Bush to get a third term.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And do you think that dynamic is going to be
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: at play in twenty twenty eight Byron Well.
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: Well, I don't know what any particular justice is thinking. Obviously,
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: there's been a lot of talk about Alito, but I
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: do agree that you have to think in terms if
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: you're on the court, you have to think in terms
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: of six years, because having you know, Trump is unusual
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: because he's only the second non consecutive two term or ever.
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: So I don't know if exactly the same thing happens,
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: but I do think the public would view electing a
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: Republican in twenty twenty eight as a, you know, the
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: third consecutive term for Trump, even though it technically isn't.
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: So I think that's a real problem.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: All right, So tonight the DSA is all over the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: ballot in New York and other places like Montgomery County.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: How do you think it's going to fare.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: I think that what's going on in New York is
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: really really interesting in the sense that the DSA has
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: set its sights on progressive Democrats. I mean, these are
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: not conservative Democrats. If there were any conservative Democrats they're
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: going after. They're going after progressive Democrats because it doesn't
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: matter how progressive Democrats, how progressive they are, they're not socialists.
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: You know, I'm wondering if this is a bit of
• 39:13
  Speaker 11: overreached by the world's number one Nicks fans or Mandami,
• 39:19
  Speaker 11: who won with fifty point eight percent of the vote.
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: It wasn't really a landslide, and who it seems to
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: believe that he has enormous power in these elections. We'll
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: see if he does, but I'm a little doubtful.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I described the DSA as anti American, anti frame markets,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: anti Israel, anti Semitic, fair not fair.
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: I think it's fair, But I also think that they're
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: what's they're anti justice. I mean, the thing that I
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: think that has been so worries to them is dari
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: Lee's a Chevalier's You've seen those Oh got her? We
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: got to eliminate prison I mean, and wanting to eliminate
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: punishment for people who kill other people. It's just it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: staggering some of the things that she has said in
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: front of a camera and a microphone. And so I
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: think you, I think you need to add to that
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: that they really are anti justice.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Anti crime and punishment. I want to make it. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: want to make it real for listener. They are anti American,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: anti frame markets, anti Israel, anti Semitic, and anti law
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: in order, they don't believe in law. It's really kind
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: of amazing.
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: Here again, I'm just I'm just astonished, you know. You know,
• 40:38
  Speaker 11: every every day you see something kind of new and
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: ridiculous that James Tallerico said. But you know, he hasn't
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: come out and said, of course we shouldn't punish murderers,
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: that would be putting them in jail. And I don't
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: believe in that. You know, it's just astonishing what they say.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: In New York. Chevalier is I can't wait and Lander
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: versus Goldman. I don't like Dan Goldman. I think he's
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a prima donna and a showboat. But he's not crazy.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not way left, he's not anti American,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: he's not anti Israel, he's not anti Semitic. So we
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: will see. Byron York always good to talk to you,
• 41:14
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• 41:16
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  Speaker 1: God Walking Back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. As is remarked
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: upon in the brand new book The Glory, Grief and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the Gabble by my next guest, John mcgansky. That song
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was the song that marked Arnold Schwarzenegger's rise to the governorship,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and then Kevin McCarthy kind of adopted throughout his entire
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: political career. John was one of his key eggs, including
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: floor Whip and it's a fabulous book. John, Welcome Glory,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Grief and the Gabble hits bookstores this week. It's available
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to Amazon dot Com. I first want to tell you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of things, John. I appreciate you got married
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: in Saint Joseph's church, but as a result, I'm obliged
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to tell a fellow Catholic. Orange ties aren't about the Bears.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: They're about the Browns. So even though you wear them
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: after rare bears win, they really belonged to the Browns.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: All right, so just remember that the next time you
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: take your orange tie out.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Fair enough and you can have the AFC, We'll take
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: the NFC.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: All right. That's a deal.
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I thought the opening of your book, why don't you
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: tell people about briefly your relationship with Kevin McCarthy, how
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: long it went, which jobs you held for him. Kevin's
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: dear friends of the show and a friend of mine
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: talked to us about that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, great, Well thanks for having me on. First of all,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. I started as an intern for
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Kevin actually in twenty twelve. I was a junior at
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Stanford University, came out to DC. Thought I was just
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: going to come here as a brief stint to maybe
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: get ready for law school or something like that, and instead,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: like so many young people, came here and fell in
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: love with the city.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: And with the hill and wanted to make a career
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: out of it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: So I worked for Kevin as a staff assistant in
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, that's really the low man on the total pool,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and stay with him for over ten years. I became
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: the youngest floor director in house history at age twenty five.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: The first Republican aid to work for the floor teams,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: for the majority whip, the Majority leader, the Minority leader,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: then Speaker of the House, and then Kevin asked me
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: to be his deputy chief of staff when he did
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: a sent of the speakership.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Now you're over at Harbinger's strategy since Kevin left and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: retired as Speaker. What does Harbinger Strategies do.
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're a leading government affairs and consulting firm in town.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So I like to say I take a lot of
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: what I learned on the hill and try to apply
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: that and translate that tow clients and now in the
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: private sector, you know, let them know what's coming around
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the pike. Who are the main players, who are the
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: people that we need to touch and influence to get
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: a certain policy outcome. So it's kind of like, you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Tony Romo going from playing on the field to now
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: commenting on the booth. But it's been fun to learn
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: the other side of DC as well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: So now this is a book that I would say
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: covers ten years from twenty fifteen when the boiling point
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: was reached between John Baynor and the right wing to
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Kevin's exit. That's the ten years on the House side,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and it's about who holds the gavel, who's the speaker.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I want to start on page twenty six because I
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: think this is the key. By the summer of twenty fifteen,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: the bad blood between then Speaker John Bayner and his
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: right flank had reached the boiling point. How were you
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: aware of that because you're obviously working for Kevin organization
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: at that point. Why do you know that it's at
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a boiling point?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the first time Speaker bay I ran for
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the post was after the Tea Party wave of twenty ten.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: He won unanimously. He got every single one of his
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: republic colleagues to vote for him, and that is the
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: last time that happened in my lifetime. Ever since then,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: the Speaker's vote has been kind of used as leverage
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: for different factions to try to enact procedural or policy changes.
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: That they desire. The next time around, there was more
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: of an informal coup attempt.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: It was unsuccessful, but you know, there was a concerted
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: effort to vote against him on the floor.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: He was re elected as Speaker for his third term,
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: but forratuitously.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Mario Cuomo's funeral was the same day of the speaker's election,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and so a number of Democrats missed that vote. There
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: were a number of Republicans that had all Democrats been there,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: he would have had to go to a multiple ballot speakers.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: Race, and so it was kind of festering in the background.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Obviously, Mark Meadows introduced the motion of a Kate resolution
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: that August, which introduced those three words to a lot
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: of political viewers around the country that may have not
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: heard of that, and obviously came to a head.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: So I hate the Motion of a k eight. I
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: hated everyone involved in the last attempt. Mark Meadows and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I get along pretty well. But the knucklehead cockcaus is
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: what I chose to call the people that post Kevin
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: because they were nilists. They would to drive everything into
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the ground and destroy the Republican Party. But it really
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: begins with Bayner. Why did they have a falling out
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: with Bayner? Because I don't think John Manner was a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: particularly great speaker or leader.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think after being in the role
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: for so many years, you know, you you you take
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of the votes that you have to take
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: as a leader, right, you have to raise the debt
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: ceiling you have to fund the governments.
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: I think even Bayer's team and him would admit that.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: You know, at some point it gets a little tiresome
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: to continue to deal with members and their wants and
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: their needs. In any event, you know, he had the
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: way he led, and there was a different kind of
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: group of you know, Tea Party Republicans.
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: And beyond that, style wise, they were not, you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: maybe meshing as well with him as as they wanted to.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Now I have my own scorecard, John mcgansky, which is
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: John Bayner used to come on this. The program has
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: been on for twenty six years. Kevin's always been a
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: staple of it. Eric Canter is a staple of it
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: until he was elected Speaker. John Bayner was a staple
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: of it. After John Bayner left, Paul Ryan, Kevin, now
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson comes on. John Bahner never appeared once as
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Speaker because he couldn't give a damn about conservative media
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: after he got the job. That's not part of the job.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Is it just you know, screw the right wing because
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: that's what John Bayner did.
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd say we learned that lesson ourselves.
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Kevin, as you said, wanted to bring everyone into the tent.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: He was a frequent guest in your show. He reached
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: out to the break parts of the world everywhere, you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: because he said, these guys are part of the movement
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and it's not the country puppling party of yesteryear. This
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: is a new type of rise that's going on and
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: we need to either channel this energy towards something positive
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: or it can overwhelm us.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: And so that was certainly a part of our strategy.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: And Kevin worked harder. I think Kevin McCarthy's the hardest
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: working man. I've known him forever since before you've got
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: miss Stanford, back to when he was in the Central Valley,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: maybe when Bill Thomas was appearing on my program when
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: he was his young intern, and so he works hard.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I want to get to the curse of the majority
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: leader before we get to the drama of getting elected speaker,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: because I think that's a good observation for people to
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: know what is the curse of the majority leader.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: So I went back and did a lot of research
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: for this book, and I was surprised to learn that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: no sitting House majority leader who served a full term
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: in that post was elected speaker over the course of
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: my lifetime. You go back to Hale Bogs. That was
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: a tragic incident. He died in a plane crash. But
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Tom Delay, Dick Getberk's, Dick Army, Stenny Hoyer, the list
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: goes on and on, and so while the circumstances for
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: all those individuals differ, I think what is true is that,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you know, again, you're a little bit more of never
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: You're in that post. It's sort of a purgatory.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: And where as that used to be a springboard to
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: the speakership in you know, the early nineteen hundreds, it
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: really hasn't been the case now. Is something I think
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Kevin was also going against was this institutional inertia from
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: folks that were settling him with, you know, the decisions
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: of past speakers that he didn't really have a play
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: call in making.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Then you had the failure to launch, and remind people
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: about that. It's detailed in Glory, Grief and the Gavel.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: But the failure to launch was a Hannity Show appearance.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Because media is not always not dangerous.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we so Speaker Banner did resign in twenty fifteen. Actually,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: the day after Pope Francis visited the Capitol. So it
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: was a very emotional day when Francis visited and then
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: a very you know, bit of whiplash the next day.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Kevin was the majority of leader at the time and
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: he ran for the post. He got the you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: support of a lot of his colleagues. But there was
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: a handed interview. As you know, Handy was a pretty
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: dominant he still is, but was definitely the dominant force
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: on Fox at that time, and you know, dealt with
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: the Bengazi committian Hillary Clinton and it led to a snowball.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: It's kind of point to think that that used to
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: be a scandal in Washington compared to some of the
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: things we see today.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: But it certainly was a scandal.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: It went for a couple of days and it led
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: to another challenger or to emergent, and Kevin ultimately said, listen,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I don't want to put guys through this for my sake,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna step away.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: And that's when we got Paul Ryan, a speaker.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: A great line, a short line on page thirty six, Glory,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Grief and the gavel Member's daff because Kevin McCarthy's death
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I'm out, and then went to Paul Ryan. We'll pick
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: up the story there after the break. Go nowhere, America,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. I am with John Legansky. He is
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the author of Glory, Grief and the Gavel, the youngest
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: floor leader for a speaker in the history of the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: House of Representatives. And John wrote down in great and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: wonderful detail, compelling storytelling what happened with the knucklehead Caucus
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and Speaker McCarthy. For those of you with shortened memoryuck
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Ahead Caucus was shared by Matt Gates. It included Bob Good,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Andy Biggs, Matt Rosendale. It does not include Chip Roy,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't include a few other people. Eli Crane kind of
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: went into the knuckle knuckle like caucus. I mean, how
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: frustrated did you get, John dealing with these people because
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: they did not have an agenda. All they did they
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: were just wreckers, that's right. Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: So I started them into two groups, and you kind
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: of just did yourself as well. There was a group
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: that we considered the maybe Kevins. They were the chip
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Roys of the world, the Scott Perrys of the world,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: who you know. I think they wanted more influence for
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: the Freedom Caucus, but they were trying to work in
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: good faith to get to an outcome. And then there
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: was the never Kevin Caucus. As you mentioned, Matt Gates
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: led that. I called them, you know, Gates and his
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: eight useful idiots. They were not interested in policy in procedure.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: They were just interested in throwing bombs and trying to
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: block our path. And so we ultimately were able to
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: go around them. President Trump, you know, laid the hammer
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: down on those groups at the end of the last vote.
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: You know, it was pretty dramatic.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: We got them to go press it ultimately, but that
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: you know, divide kind of persisted throughout the tenure in
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: the Speaker's office, and we eventually.
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: Came to the decision. Listen, these guys just don't want
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: to go along because it's us and whatever. You'd never
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: have to progress.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I would go to the McCarthy summit. I take my
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: show out to the McCarthy summit in Jackson Hall or
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: wherever he was holding it, and he'd always recruit these
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: great field of candidates and he would stand them up.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: They finally won in twenty twenty two. None of these guys,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: or Gal Lauren Boberts in the knucklehead caucas ever did
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: anything for anybody else, So why did the members even
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: abide by them? Why would they help them in any way?
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just the nature of the tight margins.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: We had two hundred and twenty two seats, and so
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: if five six members decide they're not going to vote
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: for the rule that week, they're not going to vote
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: for the speaker, they're not going to vote for whatever
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: packages on the floor, you're stuck and you either have
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: to go to Democrats or you're short of the majority.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a feature on Fortu
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: labor politics moving forward. Hugh is these tight marks in
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: the House. The battlefield has shrunk so much that you
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: know you're going to have the ability for five to
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: ten people to sway their direction. Fortunately, six of those
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: eight that voted against Kevin will not be in Congress
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: next year.
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: I think that's good.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I write in the book, you know they learned there's
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: nothing for the joker to do when Batman got that?
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Oh you got It's not my favorite line in the book.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Oh so is that there's not much for the jokers
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to do when the Batman is gone? That that how
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: many of them are gone now, because that's very satisfactory
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: It'll be six out of the eight that voted to
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: remove and will not be in the House Representatives next year,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: whether through retirement, resignation, pursuit of some other career in life.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: But you know, I think it tells you again, these
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: are not the people that you know, we're interested in
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: proving the institution, we're finding legislative outcomes. They had a
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: different motivation driving them. Perhaps they received it as the
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Bible says. You know, amen, I say they have their reward,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: but they're not going to be in the in the halls.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: Of power anymore.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Who are the two that are left.
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: Crane and Burchettes will still be in the House next Congress.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Well, Burchett's chasing.
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: Track or anything, not like I remember them.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I keep track. I think Kevin might
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: keep track too. I saw the former Speaker and the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: former chair of the Banking Can meet Patrick Mahenry at
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: an event I was doing in the Washington Convention Center
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: about artificial intelligence, and those guys are just doing great.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: No one wants to get near the radioactive people. I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: think it's a lesson people need to learn. If you
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: blow up the caucus. You might blow it up, but
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: no one's going to You're getting fragged too. Is that
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: a good takeaway?
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: John one hundred percent percent.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: There's a saying I've been using that says, if you
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: seek revenge, dig two graves. And I think a lot
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: of those guys they thought they were going to get
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: revenge on us from what they failed to do in January,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: but it ultimately lets a lot of their downfall, some
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: pretty dramatically.
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: And so I agree.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: You know, these folks that burn fast, they burn bright
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: and quick, and that's the end. So I'd better have
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: more legislators in it for the right reasons than that group.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: So Mike Johnson has now taking over the gable and
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: he hasn't had the same motion to ak woes that
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Kevin has. They are basically the same guy. They're good
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: for people, they know what their members want, they work
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: it very hard. But is it also is he advantaged
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: by the fact that the knuckleheads are gone where they
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: replaced with the responsible people with a vision of how
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the constitution works.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, And I think you know he
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: benefited and Mike's doing a great job.
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: Let me let me state that upfront. I know him,
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: I know a lot of people on staff. They're doing a.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Great job again with these really tight margins in the House,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: getting reconciliation done, getting the under Musk pass bills done.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: But I think, yes, there was a little bit of
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: the House touched the stove when they removed Kevin, and
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: they saw how.
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: Dangerous that was. You know, we were speakerless for three weeks.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Israel's attach that next week, October seventh, and the House
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: couldn't pass aid to Israel in that period of time,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: and so I think a lot of people realized how
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: dangerous that was. Mike did face the motion of vacate motion,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: but Democrats and Republicans thankfully came together and tamped that down.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's how our founders wanted the House
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: to run with recall elections.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: We don't have in our system.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: If you serve your two years, if you have to
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: run for election on your merits, you win or lose.
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: Fine.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: But you know, these referendums and recollections I think are
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: dangerous in the House and in our politics for at large.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Only knuckleheads love them. But knuckleheads will not buy. But
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: my audience ought to buy Glory, Grief and the Gavel,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: A compelling story of how the house actually works. Whether
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you're a nerd like that, A lot of the people
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: who love the interplay on the floor or just from
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: one thousand feet you want to know, get that book.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you, John, I've got.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: A nucleus science.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I love my class.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. I'm you you at lilyax Is in
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the house as in James Lilacs dot substact dot com,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: longtime humors for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Now why applying
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: his trade online at substat James lilyas dot substack dot com.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: And it's really funny. James, I'm going to use you
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: to react for me in real time to the latest
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: OPO research uncovered on Talla Rico, Texas Democratic candidate. But
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: before I do, he's in Texas and he's running as
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: a Democrat. What's your impression of mister Talla Rico.
• 59:11
  Speaker 13: I've always amused and fascinated by people who invent new
• 59:14
  Speaker 13: forms of Christianity that are supposedly going to supplant to
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: all the other ones because they're more enlightened, and he
• 59:18
  Speaker 13: seems to me to be one of those fellows.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: Not a great three elesion of the era. A little strange,
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: but let's let's hear what he has to say.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, cut number one? Is it actually cut number nine?
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: James Talla Rico, in an old interview with a sort
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: of Christian odd Christian podcast, cutt number nine.
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: It's very strange every time I think about it, that
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: the most popular figure in our country, particularly on the
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: conservative right, is this, you know, socialist anarchist from Mainsia Palestine.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, James, what do you think of Jesus as a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: socialis the anarchists from Palestine?
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  Speaker 13: Yes, well, you can adapt those terms and redefine them
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 13: and make them so malleable that they fit to absolutely
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 13: anybody anywhere.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: He was against the government. Well, so was Hitler at
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: some point, but I wouldn't call him an anarchist.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 12: He wanted to redistribute and make all the property, you know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 12: give people things. I'm not exactly sure that the methods
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 12: message of charity in the Bible necessarily comes down to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 12: socialism and the instruments of the government required to bend
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 12: people to the will of the state against.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's you hear this stuff all the time.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 13: It's at least refreshing to hear from somebody who was
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 13: doing that dorm room trick thing where it's like, well,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 13: I don't believe in the guy, but if you know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 13: but he seemed kind of like a socialist to me,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 13: and then make everybody else look capoplectic.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: It's finale. It's it's, it's, it's it's sophomore charitable social anarchist.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Cutt number two of James tallerco Cott number ten.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's you know, I always think of myself
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 8: as a Christian who hates Christianity, right, and like I
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: always get always get drunk back into it.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: So he's doing the Michael Corleone only it's Christianity.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 13: I advise all meant to go home to their wives
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 13: today and say, I've always been with those guys who
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 13: you know who regards themselves as a husband but hates marriage.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: Can you see exactly how well Ben plays out? Is
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: there anything in particular by Christianity that you hate?
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  Speaker 13: I'm sure it's usually the practitioners who are always boorish
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 13: people and feeds in, you know, feeds the store caps
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 13: who are saying bigoted things as sort of boogeyman constrict
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 13: that they've come up with their mind again not exactly
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 13: the most nuanced and innovative theology theologion of our era.
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  Speaker 5: But do continue now.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I was a John Cornyn fan and he was beaten
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: by Attorney General Ken Paxton, who has some dings in
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: his background. Do you think that tall Ico could possibly
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: win in Texas with saying like that?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: And again it goes back to something we've been talking
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: for some time.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 12: There's the crown of Bill Clinton and the mantle of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 12: middle of the road smoothing with a southern charm sort.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: Of thing where you don't have to say stuff like this.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: It's waiting for somebody to pick it up, and they don't. Instead,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: they have somebody who.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 13: Says, I'm a Christian who hates Christianity, which you know,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 13: it's good for Christianity because it's about the one faith
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 13: where you can get away from that and people's.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: Will still let you in the church fund.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Somebody do them, Michael Corleone, draw me back in thing,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: all right, Jake, last up to Maine and Graham Platner.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: More and more comes out about Graham Platner, and it's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: less and less flattering. He's a domestic abuser, he is
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: a crazy person online, and Democrats of the progressive left
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: are lining up with him. At what point do they
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: have to say, no, Moss, we made a mistake.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: They're into date.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 13: The latest thing that I got was an old Reddit
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 13: comment or something on an Internet form, which was somebody
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 13: was talking about what a discussing country America was after
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 13: we smoked Sulimania.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: I think that's what I's responding to, and he agreed,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: and he agreed with the sentiment. So you're agreeing with
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: people that America is a horrible country after it's just
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: converted into jams sulimane.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 13: Then you are one of those people who top the
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 13: bottom does not like this country or what it stands
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: for or what it wants to do.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 12: And you're being sympathetic and a little bit weepy about
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 12: the fact that Sulimani became room temperature and was atomized
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 12: by some American munitions. Find Nominate the guy, run the guy.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 12: See how that goes. But the more you line up
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 12: behind them, the more people get the general idea that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 12: you guys just don't like this country in general and specific,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 12: and that's not something that they want to remind people of,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 12: but they keep doing it over and over and over again,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 12: because that is the Democratic Socialists of America position. I mean,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 12: that's the more the DSA infects the party and makes
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 12: the purity tests get pushed more to the left, the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 12: more you're going to find people who say, well, yes,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 12: of course, the sensible position is to hate America because
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: we are an awful country.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: So yes, say, I view the Night of Living dead
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party. We don't know who's been taken
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: over by them until they actually surface during the election season,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: but they're going to have a great night in New
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: York City tonight. I think it's New York Primary day,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and I think the DSA is going to have a
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: great night. I want to finish through on the high
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Mark President Trump on the tarmac and reading Pennsylvania today
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: cut number eleven place.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: If Rogers are.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 9: Saying there's no scheduled digits for the Island Inspectors, is
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: that part of your sevent They're wrong, They're.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Own, they know they're wrong, they know them inside, and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: we have it.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: Down one hundred percent Inspects. And if they were right,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: I canceled the meetings right now. That's your humans, the president.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: When will those inspectors actually be all the.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: Ground that's in audient times the US, but they'll be
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: und the round.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 12: That's the appropriate text.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he had it both ways there, James. He
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: said there will be inspectors, but there's no rush for inspectors.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I think they got to get there right away or
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: we're really looking like jackasses.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there were the skids brought out the worst it gets.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 13: And even if we inspect the idea that we trust
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: these people anytime, anywhere for anything is preposterous. What I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 13: want is for somebody to come out with an American
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 13: penny with Lincoln on the front.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 12: Of it, and I want it to be painted red,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 12: and I want them to say, this is the penny
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 12: that you're going to get.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry, we changed our mind.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: You're not going to get one red penny from US
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 12: around period, but instead thirty i'm sorry, three hundred billion
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 12: dollars I supposedly going to be sent there for economic reconstruction.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 12: And anybody doesn't think that's going directly to nuclear weapons,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 12: underground rocket facilities and straight to HASV Law's delusional.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: So I can't stand this aspect of.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 13: It now, the idea that you know, we'll see all
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 13: these wonderful things, knowing they'll walk away from it.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: We can resume doing what we want to do. Your
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: lips to God's ear. But that's just not how it looks.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 13: Unfreezing acids, letting them back in, linking Lebanon.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: Into the Molas.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 13: It's all just an absolute brackish cold soup and I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 13: don't want another spoonful of it.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: But that's just me, No, it's me too. I think
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of people, and I think the President
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: have to put that every day, and a lot harder
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: on the Iranians because they be winning the propaganda war. Lilex,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: thank you James Lylyx dot substat dot com. I think
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: he's covering the NBA draft tonight, so for your latest
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: draft headlines, but go to lilex dot com or James
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Lylyx dot substack dot com.