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Chris and Lauren Pronger | Hockey, Wellness & Marriage · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  You see athletes that go bankrupt and just spend money on the most ridiculous thing.
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  After three years pro, bankrupt, divorce, three years, post-career, I think it's seventy percent.
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  What happens when your world revolves around being a champion?
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  Only for it to be turned upside down by a career ending injury.
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  Trust yourself. Don't worry about what's back there. Use the lessons you learn,
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  implement those into your life today and in the future and continue to grow.
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  Don't take life so serious. Don't care so much about what other people think.
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  Christopher Pronger is a name that resonates with hockey greatness, a hall of
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  famer, a Stanley Cup champion and a two-time Olympic gold medalist.
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  But after battling post-concussion syndrome and vision impairment,
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  the legendary defenseman had to step away from the game he loved.
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  There's a big renaissance right now with people say, oh coffee's bad.
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  Depends on who you talk to. I don't know what the future holds for my body,
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  but I do firmly believe that by looking at my system and how I can
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  keep that all at bay and calm that from within, I'm doing a good job.
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  His wife Lauren stood by his side through the highs and the devastating lows,
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  helping him navigate life beyond the ring.
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  It would be a disservice to who I am as an individual.
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  If I was not here sharing my story and it is my mission and like everything that I'm
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  passionate about in serving people, I'm excited about it.
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  In this special episode, we not only hear from Chris but also Lauren
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  as they open up about the reality of life after hockey,
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  the physical and emotional toll and how their relationship became their strongest
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  defense. This is a story of resilience, partnership and redefining success after
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  the final buzzer sounds.
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  Welcome to success story. I'm your host, Scott Clary.
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  Usually I die right into it but because of the dynamic both you are on here,
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  I think it's good to just talk about how you met and that's going to tell a lot about
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  origin stories where you both came from. So let's start there. So how did you guys meet?
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  Wow. What a great way to start. What a way to steal my question.
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  You want me to start? And you'll finish? Yes, I always add some color.
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  Alright, chill out color. So after a game, backup goalie and I used to hang out a lot and he went
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  out with a couple buddies from the other team. I was going home. I knew her friend who liked
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  our backup goalie and so she was calling me as I'm driving home. I'm like,
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  I'm just about home, not going out tonight. Jamie may come later, I don't know,
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  but you know, you're happy if you want to come over and hang out, feel free because she's like,
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  I got a friend of me, I'm like, okay fine, just come on over, whatever.
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  I got my suit on and everything and I'm walking over to the door and I'm like,
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  what if she's good looking? The friend and I'm like, and sure enough, I walk over, I get to the
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  door and I'm like, great, she's good looking. And so we just hung out that night for about six hours
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  and chatted for a date. Yeah, it was a great first date and yeah, unannounced first date and
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  got to talking. There was nothing, as she likes to say, there was no sparks. We're in flying,
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  but it was a good introductory meeting or encounter however you want to put it. And we just
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  chatted for like six hours. I was planning on going and get a workout in the morning and then
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  going to, we had a, we were catching a flight to go to the West Coast and I didn't plan on drinking
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  and the initial meetup, one glass of wine turned into six bottles of wine, turned into six in the
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  morning, turned into me not getting my workout in and getting on this flight. It was a, yeah,
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  impromptu evening with, with little Lauren here. How old were you guys? That was 25 years ago. So
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  I was 25. Yes, gosh. I was 21. No. 22. Yeah. 22. Yes. So yeah. And then from there,
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  what happened? How did we continue? So then we didn't exchange numbers. We didn't do any
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  or six hours. What's wrong with you? What's the real real strategy? I got to go. Okay. I got to go to bed.
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  And so I tracked down her number the next day. We got to LA. I tracked down her number. It's called
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  left to message. Hey, we call me back. Back then, by the way, the rotary phone. No,
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  it's on the line. It's on the phone, but she didn't. Yeah. And so, you know, I don't even know
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  if you had an answering machine. So left a message with a roommate. Hey, can you ever call me? Here's
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  my number. She called me back and I said, hey, we're coming back late Friday night. I'm having
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  a party on Saturday. Would you like to come? And I'm like, you know, Saturday night. And she's
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  like, well, I don't know if I can come Saturday night. I got to pick up a friend in the airport.
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  I'm like, okay. Calls her back. Hey, by the way, we're going to have this party in the afternoon.
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  Why don't you come on over on Saturday afternoon? You want me to? I'll add my color to that. So
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  friend was I'm always a very transparent individual. So through that six-hour conversation that we had,
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  I said, you know, I'm just coming off of a three-year relationship and I am excited at all these
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  things that I'm doing. I'm applying to law schools and yes, and I was I just significant
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  amount of your life at 22 exactly. And I really enjoyed just the conversation with them because I
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  was fascinated by his story and, you know, being a hockey superstar that I was not a big hockey fan,
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  but my brothers were big fans. And so I obviously knew who he was. And he probably was intrigued
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  by the fact that I wasn't like, oh, like all the other girls. And I was kind of like talking to,
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  I don't know, a buddy, a friend. And so at that time when I told him I was just coming out of this
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  relationship, I said, actually, I said, he's coming back in a week. He had been this ex-boyfriend
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  at the time, had been a way interviewing for all these different jobs and different opportunities
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  and so forth. And I said, we're hoping to have a nice friendship when he returns. And I promised
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  to pick him up from the airport on Saturday night. So Chris stored that in his memory bank. And he
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  was like, I got to get in before he comes back on Saturday night. And so I'm proud of him because
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  he did track down my number. And when the phone rang the second time, I knew what he was doing. He was
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  like, I'm getting in before it. So I'm not going to name his name. He comes back on Saturday night.
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  So I was like, kind of like the fact that he's so determined. And I appreciate that. And so I was
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  like, okay, you know what? And my girlfriend in the background was hearing all this and she's the
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  one that liked his the backup goalie. I was like, yes, we're going, you're going. And I was like,
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  okay, we're coming over Saturday afternoon for a barbecue in January in St. Louis. This is odd.
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  But why not? It's snowing outside, you know? And I went, we went over to his place and I'm
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  telling you, it was like fire sparks everything after the six hours. Well, you got to remember,
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  I had just played 30 minutes at night too. So I was exhausted. So you weren't being your best.
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  I didn't have my game face was not prepared. Did he have it on? I mean, it was impressive. So
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  the two of us were like, you know how you see those cartoons were that's like the the
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  googly eyes of the like hearts and everything. We were so locked in.
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  Nothing was discharging us. There was not a soul in the room that could take us away from
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  the conversation we were having. I was like, buckled over laughing because he is very funny
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  individual. And yeah, he was just kind of like history from there. And I guess the question is
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  did I end up picking him up from the airport that night? I'm asking you guys.
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  And 25 years later, he's still studying to the left of me.
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  How was it? So you were still very young. You were super young when you started, when you started
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  dating. G probably has more questions than me about this. But I mean, athletes get so much
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  attention. So obviously, it probably wasn't easy. And I have no idea because I've never gotten
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  that amount of attention at a young age as an athlete. But how do you navigate that? Is that an
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  issue? Is that not an issue? Was it stressful? Like you're living my dream teenage life of being a
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  hockey wife. And I've always, you know, loved hockey players. I've loved hockey like I'm Canadian.
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  That was the thing. And I always thought, oh man, marrying a hockey player would be so fun. And
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  then the older you get, the more you realize that it's actually very stressful. There's all these
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  millions of women after you're a man. There's like, you know, attention and travel and time away.
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  How did you deal with all of that, especially at such a young age? Yeah, that's a great question.
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  I would say I've always been a very confident individual. And I think that probably is what
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  attracted Chris to me because I really was not enamored by like, oh, you're a Chris pronger.
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  I was very comfortable in my own skin of being who I am as an individual, not Chris pronger's wife.
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  And you know, it does take a lot to get used to in terms of, you know, the women and the
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  puck bunnies that we're going to call them. But I'm not going to ever sit here and say, you know,
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  our journey was perfect by any means. I mean, I think there were a lot of ups and downs through
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  his career and, you know, road trips and all those things, which I love that I'm a mentor for a lot
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  of wives and girlfriends that are in professional, married to professional athletes.
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  Because it's not an easy road. And I think nowadays with social media and all their up against it
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  makes it that much more challenging. I have such a heart for that. But I think it comes down to,
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  do you really love that individual? Do you want to fight for that relationship? Do you respect
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  each other? Are you really up for, you know, like, respecting each other on that deep level of,
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  I want to make this work versus I want to have a quick dopamine fix of these hits of fans.
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  And I think ultimately, who Chris is as an individual, as a husband, as a father, as a friend?
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  He's always been bigger than that. And that's a man I married and the man that I love, he's not
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  perfect. I'm not perfect. I'm not a perfect wife. I'm not a perfect mother. But I would say ultimately,
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  when it comes down to it, we knew what was so important and that we truly loved each other.
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  And I say to this day, like, and I think the two of us feel this way is whatever life throws at us,
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  we've been through so much. And it has been so flawed and so imperfect. But it has taught us the
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  value of saying, bring it on. Like, go ahead, bring on whatever else you have for us because we're
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  in for it now, whatever we have been challenged with, we have been able to overcome it. And I think
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  there's a lot of strength in that as a marriage. Well, I was curious. I mean, even from the
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  athlete's perspective, I would assume that when you're young, it's nice to think that you can go
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  after any woman you want and you get all this fame and you get a lot of money early on in your
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  career that a lot of people really aren't expecting or really know how to handle. But then if you
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  look back and I'm super curious, Chris, if you feel this way, if you feel like it's actually a
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  blessing to have more of a stable home as an athlete that has to be high performance all the time.
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  No, absolutely. I think when you look at who you choose to be with and who you select to be with
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  matters a lot, whether you're an athlete or a professional or not, I think just life in general.
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  You have a good partner beside you that you're going to be even more successful because they're
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  going to support you. They're going to help guide and steer you and push you in those difficult
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  moments. And I think for me, when I look at my career arc, the highest of highs were always with
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  her by my side and helping and steering guide me and push me and pick me up when I was at my lowest
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  and be there for all the successes as well. And there was a lot of ups and downs and injuries and
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  championships and the different things that we all know about and can Google. But I think when you
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  look at the life of an athlete, those that have Google always listening. When you look at the
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  life of an athlete and you see those that struggle the most, they're not selecting for the right
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  reasons. And the ones that do, you see them, I think, have longer careers, more stable careers,
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  and the best post-career lives with their families and their spouse.
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  Well, you see, I mean, you see athletes that go bankrupt and just spend money on the most
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  ridiculous thing. I think the status after three years, pro, bankrupt, divorced, and I forget
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  the third one, homeless, I think it is. Oh, three years. Post-career, I think it's 70%.
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  Really? One of the three. Oh, combination. So actually, it's funny enough. So Chris, I mean,
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  I've known about Chris as like a hockey player, but actually Chris put out a Twitter thread because
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  he was doing Twitter because of Sam Parr. I think that's okay because he's also, Sam's also from
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  St. Louis, from Namaste. And you did a like a tweet thread, whatever on, on athlete finances.
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  And how much you get tax and how much goes to your agent. And that thing went viral. And I don't
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  think people, did you, did I send that to you? I might have sent it to you. But I don't think people
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  realize how much money you end up going everywhere. I was sitting there saying that what was
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  me and what was the athlete, but I was more trying to draw a light eight for those athletes that
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  were following, but be for people to realize how many 18, 19, 20 year olds that get a million
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  dollars or more have the financial wherewithal or understanding of eight to think responsibly
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  what they're going to do with that money and invest it and be are already thinking about retirement
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  when their career is just beginning. I don't know any young athlete or any young person period
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  that thinks that way. They're always thinking, go, go, go. And I'm Superman. I'm invincible. And
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  here we go. So that's kind of the same wherewithal that you must have had at 25 meeting this woman
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  and being like, hey, I want to give this my all. I want to make sure she feels that she can trust me.
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  She feels safe in this relationship. And like, I'm sure like your success as a couple had a lot
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  to do with how safe you made her feel and how respected you made her feel. Because I mean, it's
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  really like, I think a lot of it was on you as the, you know, the hockey player of the couple
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  to make her feel so like safe being with you long time. Yeah, and I think that was part of our
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  initial interaction. That six hour conversation was just trying to get to know each other and
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  you know, I had been dealing with some other stuff in my career at that point too. And
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  just was, was that home a lot? And you know, was, you know, trying, I had just gone through
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  my time in St. Louis early on of, you know, being traded there for a fan favorite and getting
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  boot every and and had worked my way through all the adversity to get to this point where now
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  I was the captain and I was kind of the focal point of the team and my career was starting to take off
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  and it was obviously a lot of pressure, a lot of outside distractions and things like that. And
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  and was probably for one of the first ends of my life open to finding a true partner and somebody to
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  to call my wife. Like, that's wisdom at 25. It is wisdom at 25 because I think that when you go
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  home and it's actually a really interesting thought because people that don't succeed in life,
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  I spoke to a whole bunch of really smart doctors on on trauma and the number one indicator of
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  somebody not succeeding is if they have even trauma as a very early kid and they don't have a safe
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  home to go to and when they go home, there's always stress and anxiety in that trauma just starts looping
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  in your brain and then it manifests in all these different messed up fucked up things as an adult.
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  So that safe home environment is so important as a kid as somebody coming up in their career.
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  Anybody that wants to perform at a peak level, like I mean a lot of people listen to show our
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  entrepreneurs and trying to build. I think most of my like my success and I mean I try and act as
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  the same amount of trauma free for G but I think most of my success is attributed to like
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  shit hits a fan and then I come home and then she's here and then she sort of sets my head right
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  mentally. So it's not like I didn't have a traumatic childhood but I'm sure that if I had this
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  super combative angry relationship or you're like everything suffers all and you don't
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  and you think you're better than that you think you can sort of like muscle through it but I don't
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  think many people can if they come home and it's just kind of no right for the short
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  childhood. Well that's how you have that like internal anger right that combust and you take it
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  out on the people that are closest to you a lot of times like a lot of people do that and I feel
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  like that comes from that kind of trauma a lot of times. Like for me it's like whenever something
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  doesn't work out you feel like it's the end of the world and then she's like no Scott it's not
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  the end of the world. That's a different kind of trauma because he came from such a stable loving
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  calm beautiful house. I didn't even come from an entrepreneur background right. He's too
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  a lot of adversity. So he's like oh this camera died like life is over like he starts to spiral
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  and I'm like listen that's nothing. There's like way more serious problems out there but like you
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  know he's lucky enough to have come from such a stable beautiful family that now I have to just
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  like kind of center him and be like you can't this is not what we're spiraling about. Yeah
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  they're a bigger problem. So maybe even like tell a story because this is obviously like it
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  pertains to both your lies and careers but tell a story about like some of the the harder things
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  that you've gone through. It could be could be inside your relationship. It could be you know when
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  you were actually still an athlete you're still playing pro hockey. I mean you had a lot of health
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  scares too. I'm sure some that you only you know about but there's obviously something that
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  were pretty public as well. Let's talk about some stories that you went through. Where would you
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  like to start? There's a lot. The one that I mean yeah he had so many injuries but the one
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  that was probably the scariest for me as his wife was his career and incongestion and we had
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  battled so many times I can vividly remember the conversations and the arguments with and not
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  yelling at each other but just trying to have this conversation with him with three kids in the
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  back of the car as he was driving down the road and he couldn't really even see the road because
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  he was seeing stars and I had to pull over and I had to drive the rest of the way home and I was
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  always pleading with him on wearing a visor because he had a dear teammate Al Makennis who had a
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  very traumatic eye injury ended his career correct and that was one thing that I always feared was
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  his eyes on top of obviously concussions and so when that incident happened I had just I had
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  all three kids in the bathtub we were in Philly and we always had this rule on school nights where
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  we didn't or I didn't take the boys to games and so he was playing and you were playing in
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  Winnipeg? No, in Philly. Yeah. How do you know? Gina doesn't know the story. Yes. We had a home game
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  together so against your fan favorite Toronto Maple Leafs. Yeah. So I had all three kids in the bathtub
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  and Lyle was in a little pumpkin you know what like seat in the bathtub and so forth and Jack wanted
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  to like skiddattle off get his PJs on to start watching the game and I always let him watch the first
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  period and so he ran off got his PJs on started watching the game. I had George and Lyle is still
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  in the bathtub and Jack came running back within five minutes and he just had this look upon his face
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  tears coming down his eyes and he was like mom he was like you need to come to the TV he's like
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  it's dad and I was like oh my gosh okay so I grabbed yeah Lyle I yeah he was the first one to see it
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  grab a Lyle out of her little seat in the bathtub George jumped out we all went running down the hallway
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  and all I remember was seeing like the flashbacks of Chris and he grabbed a towel and the trainers
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  were out there and covering his face and his legs were flailing he was on the ice and I'll never
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  forget what they were saying they were like at this time we just think about the family and what
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  his wife is going through and I remember literally like buckling to my knees with Lyle on my hand
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  and like ball and crying but like please tell me it's not as I like that's the one thing I didn't
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  even think about the brain at that time so much and and we really didn't know anything because he
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  left the ice with the towel over his head and the next day I know the trainers were calling me
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  and saying we just don't know at this time really what the
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  situation is other than you know it's it's probably something with the eye there was a lot of
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  blood a lot of trauma we can't get him to calm down he's flailing escaped on the table because they
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  have you know there's like emergency rooms in the underground what are you calling like the
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  trainers training room and they have bright lights coming down on him I can hear I'm screaming
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  and yelling at the trainers because he is a very physical individual there were a lot of f-bombs
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  lying around and I'm trying to get answers it was just panic all around I had three little kids
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  thank god dear friend neighbor came over so that I could kind of get down there and um that was
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  probably one of the worst times in terms of injuries for me because I felt so helpless
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  and we really didn't know what the outcome was going to be because at that time I was all focused
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  on the eye and he had a massive hematoma and a lot of blood in there they put an eye patch on him
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  he came home and they said let's give him 10 days in the in the bedroom let him sleep it off
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  and then let's reassess and then I had to put drops in my eye to disperse the blood and kind
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  of clear my eye up because there was so much where what actually got hit the my eye so the stick
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  was a follow-through from his stick and I put my stick out to put the puck in the crowd and his
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  stick went up my stick and I could see it coming and as the stick was getting closer I saw it moved
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  and instead it would have shattered my eye socket instead it hit me right directly in the eye so all
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  the full trauma from the the force from the stick just hit me right in the eyeball so my eye internally
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  was bleeding and there was a blood issue it's wild that that didn't blind you yes yeah I get lucky
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  yeah that's absolutely what why did you never wear a visor I tried a couple times I tried a few times
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  in Prague like I hurt my knee the one year and I had surgery and I'm like yeah let me try to wear
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  a visor when I was coming back and I like I just want to try to get used to it and see if I can
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  wear it and I just I couldn't I couldn't as funny as it sounds I just I'd never got used to it
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  because it didn't have to yeah and you know if it was okay you have to wear it yeah you figure out
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  how you can learn I didn't have to wear it so players that I mean going going way back when if you
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  didn't have a have to wear helmet you got grandfathered into the old rules you didn't have to wear a
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  helmet so they would never put on a helmet and I played with the last guy to do that Craig McDowell
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  yeah that's right yeah that's absolutely wild so you were so focused on the eyes because like as
• 26:17
  someone who doesn't know the eye injury is like something to look out for like that happens a lot
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  yeah I mean the doctors are giving me all the you know like look out for this and watch and we
• 26:27
  were putting drops and he's sleeping a ton they had a hole you know like gamada pharmaceuticals
• 26:34
  you know sleep is all these things and so it was really you know the two of us when the kids were
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  at school where I was watching over what was going on I had seen him go through multiple concussions
• 26:45
  I knew all the warning signs and things that he had gone through in the past and I was like this is
• 26:49
  like up to a whole new level this is a concussion on steroids and giving him you know all the drugs
• 26:57
  I was just banding like a bandage and kind of like grain and and making a lot of noise to what was
• 27:03
  really going on there he was having a hard time even walking to the bathroom with and he's a big
• 27:09
  guy he's 6 foot 6 2 and 20 pounds and so I was you know trying to help him get to the bathroom
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  and it was just not a good situation so I essentially had to be an advocate for him and pulling
• 27:21
  the trainers aside and talking to the doctors and saying I think we need to take a bigger look
• 27:26
  here at what is really going on it's not just the eye it's also the brain there has been a lot of
• 27:30
  trauma going on there and had it not been for me really telling them that I think Chris would have
• 27:38
  been put back on the ice and you know I know he would always stand up for himself but he is
• 27:42
  very much a mind over a matter type of individual he loved the game so much and I don't blame him
• 27:48
  I mean the smell of the ice all the things and he had just signed you know a 7 year deal but
• 27:54
  you know I think you could probably take it from here up like where yeah so I got after I got
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  heard I did 10 days in my bed and then I rode my bike at home for day 11 and I went to the
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  rink and worked out for day 12 skated by myself practiced with the team day 14 and then I left
• 28:11
  on the road trip and played game at day 15 and played and played in Tampa then I played in Florida
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  then we played in Carolina then we came home and played against Phoenix and then we went to Winnipeg
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  when they first got their team back and it was crazy loud in there and every with every game I was
• 28:29
  getting worse and worse and so yeah no I could feel the symptoms were bad there were every game
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  it was getting worse and I was telling the traveling I don't at first you know you're you're trying
• 28:40
  to play it off as you know I'm out of shape you know two weeks off not doing anything you're not
• 28:46
  going to feel like you did before and so I was playing it off a bit to that and you know you're
• 28:52
  in denial and you're trying to come back and play and you want to play and that came in Winnipeg
• 28:59
  was the wake-up call where it was just the building was so loud and it just I was getting headaches
• 29:05
  were bad I was really nauseous and then I started doing stuff that I'd just completely out of character
• 29:11
  I went to take a one-timer and I fell I went back for a loose puck and I knew the guy was right
• 29:17
  there and I still turned casually if he wanted to he could have put me through the fifth row like
• 29:23
  just stuff like that if I didn't have the rep I had I definitely would have been in the fifth row
• 29:27
  and just things like that that I never did I'm just like okay I'm going to get hurt this is not
• 29:34
  good yeah and and as his wife watching these games and one thing that and I didn't know a whole
• 29:40
  lot about hockey but watching him through the years being so good at what he did he had lost that
• 29:46
  sixth sense and it was so scary because he was vulnerable out there and in the past you know he
• 29:54
  always knew five plays ahead and he always knew who was coming head his back whether they were
• 29:59
  you know distances behind him and he he had lost that ability and it was so scary because I was like
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  you know it's like a bruise peach and you don't want to have that continue to happen and I think
• 30:12
  at that time it was just you know I could take a quick look see know where everybody is and I
• 30:19
  wouldn't have to look again because I know yeah how fast that guy's going nowhere this guy's going
• 30:23
  nowhere my teammates are going to be pick up the puck and immediately turn and know where I'm
• 30:28
  going to go with it just by taking that quick line I didn't have that anymore I couldn't sense
• 30:33
  where anybody was you know going back you're like somebody's got it somebody's closer you just know
• 30:37
  when you kind of tense up and know you're going to get hit or whatever right yeah I didn't have any
• 30:41
  of that it was just gone and so after that game I told the trainer like something's wrong man I
• 30:47
  gonna I gotta go see a real doctor and even and get get a full work up and just get checked out
• 30:53
  to remember when the kids when you were still healing before I think it was maybe when you were
• 30:58
  had come back before you went to the doctor and the kids came cruising down the boys came cruising
• 31:03
  down the back staircase and you did not know they were coming down like my kids would scare like
• 31:08
  you know you normally you sense people around a corner or whatever you lost all of it good
• 31:12
  now my kids scared the living shit out of me and I almost slapped my kid because I was so scared
• 31:16
  I was scared like came up behind me and I you know I wasn't expecting it because I was just
• 31:21
  I couldn't hear him and and just you know everything was elevated and I was like oh yeah but that's
• 31:29
  it that's a so scary physically because you you feel like you lost something but then
• 31:36
  you have the realization that okay so what's next yeah you know what I'd done a pretty good job of
• 31:41
  we had a good glide path as to you know finances and things like that and you know what we're
• 31:49
  gonna do post-playing and things of that nature but what I thought I had two or three year window
• 31:56
  to kind of get to that and then it was just like it's gone yeah and you know I spent the first
• 32:04
  you know 16 18 months of just working on getting healthy and just trying to I wasn't so you
• 32:09
  know that was a nice thing about having five years left of my contract is I could focus on getting
• 32:14
  healthy and not worry about any of the other stuff you know that's very and you don't even know
• 32:20
  the other story when his heart stopped on the ice too do you remember the Demar Hamlin incident
• 32:25
  the Buffalo Bill's player the collapse on the field it was two years ago two years ago so there's a
• 32:32
  that that happened to me 25 years ago so we got a puck you got a puck and I was the first
• 32:40
  I was on his heart for a second so again this is 1998 so pre the internet was dial up still
• 32:49
  the internet was dial up and there it was on Fox so it was the you know the tracker yeah
• 32:55
  thing and all that stuff uh no I I blocked a shot it hit me right in the heart and
• 33:02
  in Detroit so I don't let these people see it in pain right so I might get up cover the puck
• 33:09
  get the whistle in my head I might get to the bench but I had blocked out but on the video you
• 33:14
  could see I still stood up I was trying to get to the bench and then just collapsed and the next
• 33:19
  thing you know I woke up and I've got all my stuff cut open and I'm staring up at the banners
• 33:24
  at Joe Louis Arena and I'm looking around like this like what the hell's going on and I look
• 33:30
  over at our bench and like players are crying and you know I've been laying there for about a minute
• 33:36
  you know not moving not breathing and uh it was traumatizing to see the joys of being
• 33:42
  married to a professional I thought it was just gonna say here's here's all the fun did you say
• 33:47
  I'm glad I never I would not be able to handle all of that and that was uh two incidents of
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  strong to do all that but like you're strong as like watching someone you love go through that
• 34:50
  because I can't even watch him like you know have a cold I'm just like no
• 34:55
  like I would not be able to like I remember like in high school like you know you
• 34:58
  need hockey players and this and that and like they would like get injured and you're like oh no
• 35:02
  and like I would just like not be able to handle it I was just like I was a mess so I'm like I
• 35:07
  don't think this is for me were you stressed after get the stupid question you're very stressed but
• 35:15
  after the realization that career is gonna be different life's gonna be different what what's
• 35:22
  going through your head um yes and no I would say knowing who Chris is as an individual and how
• 35:31
  intelligent he is um of course first and foremost was his help let's let's get him healthy let's
• 35:40
  get him back on his feet so he feels optimal um and in terms of believing in him and stress about
• 35:49
  well jeez what is the future hold absolutely not like 100% have all the faith in him
• 35:57
  um and I actually thought our life is going to be bigger and better
• 36:01
  when he gets to launch into this next chapter in his life was it earlier than intended
• 36:07
  absolutely did that make me sad 100% like nobody wants to be ripped away from their life's passion
• 36:15
  that early because Chris had it in him probably to play for another 10 years or longer I firmly believe
• 36:21
  uh how old were you when that uh 37 turn 30 yeah so what cellos do uh yeah I told them when I signed
• 36:31
  the contract he said this is the I've got five years that's it but in in terms of intelligence I
• 36:39
  mean and what I know he has the power to do it was kind of like I can't wait for the world to see
• 36:47
  behind the the jersey and so many people don't know that you all know that a little bit
• 36:53
  and um I think Chris has always been a very guarded individual he is a very small circle
• 37:01
  and he shares who he truly is with that small circle but he's at a place in his life now where he
• 37:09
  is open to sharing more about that side of who he is who he is and what he can offer
• 37:15
  which excites me because I'm like oh my god please share with the world all your gifts and talents
• 37:22
  outside of being this incredible you know gifted hockey player um and people when they do get to
• 37:29
  know him outside of like oh my god I'm your I was your biggest fan like damn he's smart
• 37:35
  damn it is unexpected I mean it is that's very tight cast right there yeah I said I've been around
• 37:43
  the lot of them it is very unexpected he's a keeper but that's why okay so I mean Lauren you have a
• 37:50
  really amazing story too so one second one second sorry this is another reason why she's a
• 37:56
  package yes because not only was she like so supportive about all of that but she wasn't even
• 38:02
  freaking out about like his like career like you know ending and all these other things she was
• 38:07
  just like he has even more to offer yeah like that is a life yeah yeah I love that I love that
• 38:14
  in your spouse and uh I mean that's when you really know that you've got you know somebody that
• 38:22
  has your best interest at heart and knows the gifts that you offer the world because
• 38:29
  we've been around plenty of professional athletes and wives and girlfriends where it has all
• 38:33
  fallen apart as soon as their career ends and it's very sad for whatever reason and but I've
• 38:43
  always I mean that was a thing that attracted me if we were talking about when we first met
• 38:48
  and not for six hour conversation I knew this is an incredible individual whether I was going
• 38:55
  to date him or not I was like wow there's a lot more to this guy than my brothers telling me he's
• 39:01
  the best hockey player on the face of the earth I'm like great whatever like I'm having a beer with
• 39:05
  them yeah so show me more and damn did he impress me and I was like I want to know more of him
• 39:12
  and it has been an absolute joy and pleasure to be his number one cheerleader I know that's
• 39:17
  on so corny but I'm I am very particular in who I support and who I believe in and I was like I
• 39:24
  will back you to the day I die and I mean I mean it I mean I just it's easy to believe in you
• 39:31
  sorry I just had to give her some props because it's like it's just like it sounds like the hardest
• 39:39
  journey to me because of like all the watching him go through all this pain and all of that and
• 39:43
  the fans and all that and then also it's actually easier to go through it than to watch it right
• 39:49
  like playing yeah when you're immersed in your playing it's easy but if you're upstairs and you're
• 39:54
  watching your teammates and you're watching the game it's nothing worse it's way harder to do
• 39:59
  not and way more tiring yeah it's emotionally more taxing yeah no you just have a lot of grace
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  and you know emotional intelligence and a chose thank you I appreciate it I wanted to I wanted
• 40:11
  to go through sort of where you came from in your origin story because you have a really interesting
• 40:16
  story too but that's also what ties into kind of what you do now because you had a sort of a past
• 40:23
  of travel and there's a reason for that I think it's important just to keep that up yeah no thank you
• 40:29
  um you know I've always had an empathetic heart and I just am very in tune with my own body health
• 40:36
  and wellness kind of starts with my journey as a young girl when I was six years old my father
• 40:43
  was diagnosed with colon cancer he was 35 self-made from a small town in Oklahoma and he you know
• 40:52
  really was a determined individual very forward thinking he put himself through school he was a
• 40:58
  great wrestler and he ended up going to law school at Washu in St. Louisbury met my mom
• 41:06
  and he had three little kids you know built the dream home and all the things and then he gets
• 41:13
  his diagnosis at age 35 and very young and he basically turned to the doctors and he said
• 41:21
  you know if I've got a year or two if that's the prognosis and back then they didn't have a
• 41:26
  whole lot for what he was going through in terms of you know procedures and and treatments and so
• 41:32
  forth it was a lot about chemo and just bazooka his system with chemo and so he had asked the
• 41:38
  doctors he said when my kids are out of school can I take those couple of months like two three
• 41:44
  months off and go travel the world because he had never seen the world and he was also thinking
• 41:49
  about how can I seek holistic healing methods because I'm not getting this in western medicine
• 41:56
  and in America and he was studying a lot about acupuncture meditation deep detoxes
• 42:02
  sanas and and so forth as to how do I prolong time for western medicine to catch up so this is
• 42:09
  so early like so early 80s this is so forward thinking so ahead of the curve yeah and um so the
• 42:17
  doctors said okay yes we will give you those two months off and so through my sexual thighs
• 42:23
  all I knew was how sick he was when he was on chemo and the sights the smells all the whether you
• 42:28
  want to call it post-traumatic stress I can vividly remember it and then when we traveled abroad
• 42:34
  and he was in Asia he was whole and he was healthy and he was vibrant he was laughing and enjoying
• 42:40
  life because he wasn't going through all that now obviously there's a lane for chemo and he needed
• 42:46
  that but when he came off of it through my eyes I saw travel as magic it's healing my father
• 42:53
  so if you go back to kind of like that was my first experience of travel
• 43:00
  and it gave my father the tools and I always say like building up your holistic tool belts
• 43:05
  and now to this day I have my own which we'll talk about I'm sure but he was the first one to show
• 43:10
  me that and the power of that and he took those tools brought it back when he came back into his
• 43:18
  treatment with chemo and so forth and it gave him more time to fight and endure all that he was
• 43:24
  going through and then by three years they did have a radical treatment and the funny part of
• 43:29
  about the story is the doctor who came to St. Louis was named Dr. Butcher so you're gonna have
• 43:34
  some funny funny side of the story and so Dr. Butcher said you know I'm gonna you know probably
• 43:40
  perform this very radical surgery and if you believe in it I think I can save your life and so my
• 43:44
  father was willing to do that and with that he lived until he was 70 he was always compromised with
• 43:49
  his health and so forth but he met all three of the children you know he walked me down the
• 43:54
  aisle he met my husband all these beautiful moments in our life and as a family my own family
• 44:00
  we all traveled it wasn't about the gifts under the tree it was truly about travel and experience
• 44:06
  as in creating memories together and seeing the world and the gifts that the world could provide
• 44:11
  were so much more and you know kind of getting back to my father it essentially healed my
• 44:16
  father and gave him what he needed to live his life and so then when I fast forward to when we
• 44:24
  met and Chris was top in the game and so forth and very regimented on I have to eat this way
• 44:31
  after training this way and so I said hey when you're out of the season this was read for
• 44:36
  we first met and we're kind of started to date and so forth and I think we were we were engaged
• 44:40
  with that yeah and I said I'd like to travel with you you know and see the world together and he's
• 44:46
  what I can't do that I can't leave all these people I have in place and I you know like this is my
• 44:51
  regiment situation and so forth and I said actually if you trust me I think I can teach you a lot
• 44:56
  of value with what the world can offer in helping kind of like take down your central nervous system
• 45:02
  whether you learn some holistic healing modalities or methods or things that you don't do in your
• 45:06
  everyday life that are going to compliment your game and make you that much better of a player
• 45:12
  and I said hmm okay I'll give you one summer I was like okay it's done deal and back then it was
• 45:18
  like the gyms were the size of a broom closet you know they didn't have a whole lot of wellness
• 45:23
  travel offerings um but we travel that summer and then the next year he was MVP of the league
• 45:30
  best of the whole league and he was like okay it's like I can't argue with you I guess you want
• 45:34
  so you you felt it after a game some of the stuff that you were doing on that summer yeah I
• 45:40
  and I think you have to realize it if there's playing the game and then there's preparing for the game
• 45:45
  and then there's pressure and and things of that nature that can affect how you play the game
• 45:52
  it's not always just the physical side is the mental side and now that sports like all of that stuff
• 45:57
  is all incorporated in kind of what she's talking about whether it's yoga breathwork or you know
• 46:03
  all that must have been from somebody okay this is your only career this is how you're making money
• 46:08
  you're like you're not MVP yet but like your top of your game and and then your wife is saying
• 46:16
  no forget what the trick not forget but like I have more even though these trainers have spent
• 46:21
  their whole lives trying to figure out the exact formula on how to become like this best possible
• 46:26
  hockey player trust me yeah by the way it's funny too you think back then to what they do now
• 46:32
  they incorporate all this stuff now which is crazy what was the stuff that you were doing when you
• 46:37
  first did that trick back then it was more about breathwork again calming the central nervous system
• 46:44
  and back then well Chris was very famous for being spending a lot of time in the
• 46:50
  early box maybe maybe was a little intense the mission the goal was to keep him out of the
• 46:59
  penalty box for you know as much as possible and yeah be like a meditator yeah meditation breathwork
• 47:08
  and just you know I feel like he was curious about different diets and I was very very very plain
• 47:16
  Jane with how I ate yeah a lot of yellows browns whites I'm the same there was no
• 47:21
  colors of the rainbow how did you change that because please tell me I'm in
• 47:25
  fine I'll get a picture slow and steady for sure um but uh yeah no so we traveled a lot as a family
• 47:35
  and as a couple and I would say social media then started to pick up and I had my little private
• 47:42
  account because there were so many puck bunnies and fans and so forth so Chris was always very
• 47:47
  protective about Lauren keep everything on social media very lockdown I don't know how these
• 47:52
  girls do it nowadays um but just recently launched everything or opened everything up but back then
• 47:59
  with our private network of other or mine other wives and girlfriends from different sports golf
• 48:05
  basketball baseball that I was friends that they were like wow this is really amazing what you're
• 48:10
  doing and can you curate exact same trip for our family because I'm doing the same issues my
• 48:14
  husband won't travel because of this reason this was in this reason and he's also curious about
• 48:19
  how to level up his game so I started working with you know five friends 10 friends 15 and I
• 48:26
  knew I was on to something and it was a niche untapped market and at that time you know Chris was
• 48:33
  retired he had kind of really given me this space and this opportunity to have some time to build
• 48:39
  out this business and what a beautiful complement to our marriage how things come full circle
• 48:46
  and you know because I really I had given up the idea of applying to law schools at that time knowing
• 48:51
  that was not the right path for us as a family and a marriage and so forth and I knew down the road
• 48:57
  I wanted to have a career of my own and um I didn't need to have a career but I wanted one and so
• 49:06
  it was so wonderful to have Chris really support me at that time our kids were that much older
• 49:12
  I remember clear as day I sat down at the dining room table he was in the kitchen cooking food for
• 49:17
  the kids and I just wrote my journey and it was my story of my father and here is my
• 49:24
  vulnerable raw real story and whoever wants to listen great and started the business and he was
• 49:33
  so supportive along the way obviously well inspired travels comes from the wellness component
• 49:38
  looking back at what my father taught me on wellness and travel inspiration comes from my
• 49:42
  father as well and then the travel side of things um and I'm proud as at you know pioneering the
• 49:48
  industry a female leader and and and thought leader of wellness travel before it was a thing
• 49:55
  back in 2017 really formulated by 2018 um and now it's projected to be a 1.4 trillion dollar
• 50:04
  industry by 2027 and as a female that really you know like establish that space and being the
• 50:11
  authority before it became a big thing and then our network is truly professional athletes
• 50:18
  and high net worth individuals that take their health and wellness very serious and I come at this
• 50:24
  approach with two beautiful unique lenses of the luxury wellness travel advisor and then a luxury
• 50:31
  wellness consultant with 10 year I mean 10 different certifications and so I kind of have blended
• 50:37
  both but I mean I'd love to get into the burnout side of the story but we can get to that we can
• 50:42
  talk yeah I don't know I think that I think just to even draw a parallel from like professional
• 50:47
  athlete to business person is understand this kind of travel or the the different
• 50:55
  how many what what were you calling them again the health uh oh have it oh have it's sacking yet
• 51:01
  so we should probably back up to 2011 because these are all been built over years and years and years
• 51:08
  and I and I do want to understand from like your perspective as an athlete eventually how
• 51:13
  how these help performance and that's a huge piece of it that's why that's why you're successful but
• 51:18
  we can back up we can back up to because you what we sort of left off you're talking about
• 51:23
  that summer when you convinced Chris to go and and you liked the trip or whatever you set up what was
• 51:30
  that became MVP MVP MVP what was that like what what was the first version of of well inspired travel
• 51:37
  yeah so kind of I would go back to 2011 yeah and that was truly the genesis of it all
• 51:45
  and I like to say usually the gifts happen in the hardest times and the most imperfect challenging times
• 51:53
  in life and it's scary as hell but I tell all of my clients and friends I'm like lean into that space
• 52:02
  because something beautiful is about to blossom and it's hard to believe and it's hard to trust but
• 52:08
  in 2011 he had his career in incacution he was bedridden my dad had a stroke he fell out of the bed
• 52:15
  in the middle of the night debilitating stroke my mom had breast cancer I had three little kids
• 52:22
  and I was doing all the wrong things trying to keep up with everybody that needed me and I had
• 52:28
  no clue I'd always been really in tune with health and wellness and staying optimal because of what
• 52:35
  I witnessed as a little girl with my father but at that time you're burning the candle all on
• 52:40
  because you're I was taking care of him I was taking your red dad I was taking your mom you know
• 52:44
  three little kids and I was getting up early in the morning and I was feeling myself the coffee
• 52:49
  non-stop I wasn't giving myself proper nutrition I wasn't eating the rainbow I wasn't you know all
• 52:55
  the things I was running instead of lifting weights because that was my stress relief spike in that
• 53:00
  cortisol getting that adrenaline going I would take it down by drinking a couple glasses of wine
• 53:05
  when I was trying to cook dinner and then the room meeting thoughts come at night and you're not
• 53:10
  sleeping well so I had essentially turned my whole system upside down I had flipped my circadian rhythm
• 53:16
  my cortisol was up in the middle of night and down in the day like it was just I was a hot mess
• 53:22
  and my thyroid had gone to put I had never had any of this go on in my whole life and
• 53:28
  it was at that time where I went to my internist and she looks at all my blood work and we were talking
• 53:34
  about blood work earlier and how important it is as females and I appreciate western medicine
• 53:41
  doctors and she was trying to help me but the quick fix bandaid was here's sleep aids here's
• 53:47
  anxiety here's antidepressants and I said thank you and I really think she was trying to help me but
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  I was like it's not what I want and that's when I went back to school so to answer your question
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  was that's when I started on the journey of knowledge is power and I went and I applied to the
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  Institute of Integrated Nutrition in New York and I took their flagship program year one very
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  intense you do boards and so forth then I went on another year of hormone health then I went on
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  into the year of gut brain connection health then I went to nutritious life and then I got certified
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  as a thermo less instructor with a doctor in Denmark and then I got certified as a therm I mean
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  as a transcendental meditation specialist and a breathwork specialist and it was just
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  habit stacking building it yes the yes the holistic tool belts if you will like what my father
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  was doing because that was the way I was going to rebuild myself because I was no good for my
• 54:44
  loved ones I was as beat down and a hot mess and so with that I was able to help everybody and
• 54:54
  I never would have come to this place and who I am now had I not gone through that hardship of
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  that burnout and you know having that education and then having the experience with travel and
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  really merging both of those has led me to this place of this deep rooted passion of how can I
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  help individuals and you know where that has really led me now and I feel like what we have built
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  and I know we'll probably get into well and spare travels and kind of how that all came together as
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  a couple because that's an interesting aspect of very interesting yeah building a business well you
• 55:29
  talked about athlete and business person and they deal with the exact same stuff from the
• 55:36
  stressor to stress stressful life and spouse at home not understanding what they're dealing with
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  and kids time all that stuff that you know an athlete deals with and a CEO of a company deals with
• 55:52
  it's the parallels are so so much the same it's just so we have a unique understanding of putting
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  yourself in their shoes and really understanding what they're dealing with on a day-to-day basis
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  and what they may or may not need from the standpoint of you know getting quality family time or you
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  know you're just you're being pulled in so many different directions that it can be hard at times
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  to really prioritize and understand what what you need to be doing and also just one one thought
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  because I think it's actually really smart what you did because all the things that you need to
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  understand to navigate this high performance life it's going to affect it's going to affect
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  basically every part of your life your body your your health your wellness mental physical and I
• 56:35
  think that people look at one solution or one answer you meant you got all these certificates and
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  you got all you went through all these programs you understand all the different things that can
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  impact you but people just look at one thing or they just teach one thing or they subscribe to one
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  thought leader or one point of view or one opinion and they assume that's the only way it's
• 56:54
  going to be and then they just like zero in blinders on to this one like I'll give you a very
• 56:59
  basic example somebody wants to go keto or whatever and there's like keto is the answer and keto is
• 57:04
  going to solve all my problems and there's so many other components to health wellness clarity
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  layers and if you this is what I hate about social media is what I hate about YouTube and thought
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  leaders because they there's no there's people are almost like they're like they have this like
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  it's my way or the highway no one else is right and that's that is wrong that's always wrong
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  so I like you you learn all these different modalities and then you can see like now I understand
• 57:36
  the whole body works together because that's how you thrive I think absolutely and it's truly
• 57:43
  listening to our clients and meeting them where they're at in their journey yeah as Chris talked
• 57:49
  about mentorship that's a huge component to wellness by our travels it's a huge component to me
• 57:54
  working as a wellness consultant with individuals because it is such a noisy space and I don't have
• 58:01
  all the answers and actually I'm going to say let's peel this way back let's get back to basics
• 58:08
  let's simplify the situation and in terms of travel when individuals come to us I always say it's
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  it's our mission to have you go out into the world travel the world find seek things that are
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  going to teach you to be a better individual when you come back into your everyday life so often
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  we get people that are like oh god I deal with you know like my wife my girlfriend or my you know
• 58:32
  like whatever it is it or I hate my my job and and all these complaints and they just want to run
• 58:39
  away from it and our job is to say you know what actually learn something that the world can teach you
• 58:45
  to come back into your everyday life to be more optimal more super well if you will and that has
• 58:52
  always been my mission because it goes back to my upbringing seeing what my father was seeking in
• 58:56
  his own journey it gave him his life back and the world is so beautiful there's so much opportunity
• 59:02
  out there and and really that's what we do and what we're passionate about is curating these trips
• 59:08
  for and do individuals when we listen to what they're dealing with on you know a wellness front or
• 59:15
  just a mental front emotional front how to broaden your horizons and so that that's kind of like
• 59:22
  just a lot of it yeah be able to implement one thing into their everyday life and and come back with
• 59:29
  another piece for your tool belt if you will and exactly so okay so then how did you okay so
• 59:37
  you you're retired now and then you're trying to figure out what to do next I'm retired from life
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  not retired from life not even close not even close so um what's the what's the sort of the business
• 59:49
  so you started the business first and then Chris joined or how did this work
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  yeah I was I was playing I was playing I was working for the Florida Panthers so when I
• 1:00:10
  while I was playing and you know what dream I always thought I wanted to be a GM president
• 1:00:15
  a team and you know do something in hockey and you know thought it would you know that was something
• 1:00:19
  that was very interesting to me and when I started to go down that path it was not what I thought
• 1:00:25
  it was going to be or had illusions of grandeur I don't know but it just for me it didn't
• 1:00:32
  didn't do it for me and and at the same time she was building this business and I was helping her
• 1:00:40
  on the business front and kind of some of the um business plan I think that nature and and started
• 1:00:47
  to I went to a an event whether and sports and hospitality or polar opposites one everybody's miserable
• 1:00:54
  and just pressure pressure pressure stress got to win got to win and hospitality it was happy
• 1:00:59
  and everybody's wants help everybody out and you know so being in that environment coming from
• 1:01:04
  this environment was a brush a breath of fresh air and something where you're like man it's pretty
• 1:01:09
  cool everybody's helping everybody and it just was very collegial and I was not used to that
• 1:01:17
  and so just you know wanting to be a help her with her business and be a part of it in that regard
• 1:01:22
  and then she she invited me to be a part of well inspired travels and knowing
• 1:01:29
  what I was getting into certainly helped you know had I not had that experience I don't know
• 1:01:33
  what I would have thought it was so that was interesting and we went on a little trip blackberry mountain
• 1:01:40
  we went to blackberry mountain to it had just opened we wanted to go check it out we were big fans
• 1:01:45
  of blackberry farm and I'd been there to check it out and she had a nice little contract
• 1:01:53
  turning written up to why don't you explain what you put in it to work out of you
• 1:01:59
  lawyer lord stipulation elsewhere lawyer lord I mean of course I valued his business mind and he
• 1:02:10
  was really helping me along the way and I said okay well if we do this because we were talking
• 1:02:14
  more serious about it I said I'm gonna drop a contract because number one it cannot affect
• 1:02:20
  our marriage and number two can affect our family and a few other ones that were not nearly as
• 1:02:25
  important but if those two were ever going to be an issue we had to figure out a way to bail out
• 1:02:31
  whether we're going to sell the business or what have you and because I took those things
• 1:02:37
  most serious and well inspired travels was never going to break us we don't like I said we've
• 1:02:43
  been through so much so I think we slept on or you said let me sleep on it as you always
• 1:02:48
  wrote a contract yes okay we have a funny story about that I learned a valuable lesson
• 1:02:54
  always sleep on it no matter what there are a few things in life I didn't sleep on and did not
• 1:03:00
  make the right decision but what did you say so you realized listen sounds very
• 1:03:15
  pretty very wise you're very wise yeah why don't you let me sleep on it and we can talk about it
• 1:03:20
  in the morning and so and I delivered the contract you delivered the contract next morning
• 1:03:25
  you know because we talked about it they said you know I want to sleep on it say great I'll work
• 1:03:29
  on this and I did I was on my computer friends delivered it and we walked through the dynamic of
• 1:03:37
  what it was gonna look like what were you what were you I didn't mean I did not have a lawyer
• 1:03:42
  look at it so technically what were you what were you worried about going into business together I
• 1:03:50
  would say we're both very strong headed individuals passionate driven I am the creative
• 1:03:57
  visionary dreamer he is very logical numbers execution yes so actually we are a beautiful compliment
• 1:04:07
  together but but heads in terms of but I want this to happen and I have this vision and he is very
• 1:04:16
  practical when it comes to numbers so I would say you know like that was a bit challenging but we
• 1:04:22
  are this great balance together and you know like if it were ever become an issue where you bring
• 1:04:29
  work home and it affects your family where you can't turn it off and there were a lot of
• 1:04:35
  years because I mean that was back in 2017 really when we started talking about this and then
• 1:04:40
  built it in the 2018 and where we are now I would say our toughest years were probably those first
• 1:04:47
  three years and I was like God do I pull that gosh darn contract out again like and look at it
• 1:04:55
  as a refresher and meeting all these populations and then I look at when we bumped into COVID and
• 1:05:05
  a travel agency that was still trying to get off the ground and people didn't take wellness as
• 1:05:11
  serious as they do now so that was very forward thinking in terms of the travel space
• 1:05:18
  and so when we hit COVID that was very challenging for us and Chris was mindful on numbers and
• 1:05:24
  budget and so forth and I really used that as a time of saying hey there are a lot of women
• 1:05:29
  females that are getting laid off in St. Louis and I wanted to use that time is actually building up
• 1:05:36
  power and bringing individuals on for business development and the back office the computer systems
• 1:05:42
  and so forth having a heart for women like seeing what my mom went through when my dad was sick
• 1:05:48
  and the unknown of how to bring in money and so forth and I had such a heart for that being a female
• 1:05:54
  entrepreneur and so we went out and we hired some of the best females in the travel space and they
• 1:06:02
  are so loyal to this day I mean dear friends we you know like always stay in touch and they are part
• 1:06:10
  of everything and woven through well inspired travels to this day and I look at that is like almost
• 1:06:16
  like Mario Bros at that time you know like COVID was really hard we were like squished down I'm going
• 1:06:21
  back to the eighties here you know when he was like the little guy and then he like ate the mushrooms
• 1:06:25
  or whatever he did and he grew like powerful that's how we came out of COVID and Chris trusted my
• 1:06:32
  vision and he was always you know like watching the numbers and so forth but we did we came up that
• 1:06:37
  much stronger swinging like Donkey Kong I'm going back to all the videos yeah my listen is my
• 1:06:43
  childhood but we we did and and hit the ground running because at that time everybody wanted to
• 1:06:52
  know about wellness and they were seeking answers and curious about like how can I travel how can I
• 1:06:58
  find things to be more optimal more super well if you will and so at that time we really dominated
• 1:07:06
  that space and now I mean like our business is thriving we have an incredible partnership we can
• 1:07:11
  take on so many different clients and we've got an awesome back office it supports us we always do
• 1:07:18
  all the onboarding and we love to call ourselves like the travel matchmakers because we take it very
• 1:07:23
  serious and we love to be involved in good friends and mentors with our clients because as Chris said
• 1:07:30
  you know like we've experienced most of what they're going through these are professional athletes
• 1:07:34
  other high net worth individuals and we share our raw authentic journey with them of like we've
• 1:07:41
  been there and I don't know like if you want to share a little bit because I know a lot of times
• 1:07:45
  you're talking to clients and yeah I think just talking to them about you know we've seen a lot of
• 1:07:50
  what they're dealing with and they've gone through a lot of what they're dealing with and have an
• 1:07:53
  understanding that unique understanding of how to navigate some of these situations and not always
• 1:07:59
  you know just the pressures of life in general it can get you and you know we've talked about
• 1:08:04
  the stats of athletes and 70% you know in three years or either broke divorced or homeless I mean
• 1:08:11
  it's it can be pretty daunting and you know high net worth families and CEOs and business business
• 1:08:17
  people are they're in the same boat too that's as funny as it sounds so well inspired travel
• 1:08:24
  it's not necessarily about escaping your life it's about kind of getting reinspired and
• 1:08:30
  refilling your toolkit with the knowledge to kind of live your best life correct yeah yeah I love
• 1:08:36
  it look at you yeah she's she's very good I've always I've always been so nervous about
• 1:08:44
  going into business 100% with this battle so you know you mentioned the the contract so when
• 1:08:49
  we first started dating yeah I was very business-minded and and or she runs my therapist says and
• 1:08:56
  her and her sisters and and one of their childhood best friends they built together and it's
• 1:09:00
  very successful so it's not like they aren't business-minded but I'd say that I'm business first
• 1:09:05
  creative second she's more and her sisters are more creative first business second and I saw so
• 1:09:11
  many opportunities and I wanted to help out and it's like all you know savior complex whatever
• 1:09:15
  I'm actually I actually wrote because I was so frustrated she wasn't listening to my advice I
• 1:09:24
  wrote an NDA that I signed and I'm like just legally if we break up I won't I won't talk
• 1:09:31
  good about your business because to me he's like I understand that it's hard for you to maybe
• 1:09:36
  don't trust me I'm an outsider like you and your like sisters and your friend like you're all
• 1:09:39
  like very like private you don't talk about work but that's so many ideas because this is like
• 1:09:44
  the space I'm in anyway it's what I'm passionate about and if it helps even makes you feel better
• 1:09:50
  to trust me with this work stuff I'm gonna sign NDA here it is I wrote it I signed it
• 1:09:55
  to keep it yeah I'm not going to actually want me to do it yeah you need to have that
• 1:09:59
  frame it needs to be someone yeah I don't know that I should frame that any of you yeah I will
• 1:10:05
  that's what I literally said I was like I need to frame this because it's so funny I look at it
• 1:10:09
  I'm like I didn't ask this he's like no I know but like I wanted you to have it and I'm like I
• 1:10:14
  don't care about this it's not why I'm not listening to him but it's not why I'm not telling you
• 1:10:19
  it's scary to go all in because you think about if this doesn't work it's tough for a couple of
• 1:10:24
  reasons it's tough because as a man at least your identity is a really tied up in your work
• 1:10:31
  like a mind was always tied up my work and something I still would struggle with if I just
• 1:10:35
  didn't have any of my own stuff and keep in mind I still help her with a lot of stuff from my
• 1:10:39
  therapist says but I still do my own thing and that to me is that to me it means a lot to me but
• 1:10:45
  I think that I would be stressed about if I quit my I think if I quit my podcast not running a
• 1:10:51
  business not doing anything and I'm just working from my therapist literally my family was like
• 1:10:57
  hey do you want to come on board and be like a co-CEO and like help run things because he knows
• 1:11:03
  operations well and sales well and all these things that we're kind of like less experienced
• 1:11:08
  that because we know I'm just a girl we're so busy with it we need our parts and like you know
• 1:11:15
  the business development and everything and we're just so full of ideas and we needed someone to
• 1:11:19
  kind of just like do this stuff we don't want to do yeah yeah and he's like no I don't want to work
• 1:11:25
  with or for your family yeah I don't I'm not gonna do this no first of all it's like he's like
• 1:11:31
  I don't want to put all the eggs into one basket and I feel like it is a little bit of a male ego
• 1:11:35
  where he's like I don't want to work for my wife so yeah so but um so now he all I get is like
• 1:11:42
  I don't know maybe like 30% of your time to help me out the stuff I don't want up for the time
• 1:11:47
  yeah I mean I insist I'm like hey I need you to help me reflect this email he's like oh I'm
• 1:11:52
  doing this I'm not gonna fail for doing this right now oh my god but I love it because it sounds
• 1:11:56
  like you guys found a beautiful balance and this dance that works yeah um because I do think
• 1:12:02
  as you were talking about the male ego it's a big thing so you have this superstar NHL player
• 1:12:09
  and kind of getting back to you know when I started well inspired travels he was essentially
• 1:12:15
  in the kitchen I mean truly in the kitchen with our kids and you want to talk about a man
• 1:12:23
  that shifted from being the best on the ice and didn't take that hit the ego and was like this
• 1:12:33
  is your turn more this is your opportunity to shine and like that is impressive for an individual
• 1:12:41
  and a man to do that and the funny part it too is our kids what did they could say about
• 1:12:46
  dad you were from mom mom hired you that's like yes I did but it is it's it's about finding
• 1:12:56
  this beautiful dance with your spouse and and your companion on how do we compliment each other
• 1:13:03
  how do we stay in our own lane but yet also support each other respect each other allow each other
• 1:13:09
  to level up lift each other up and support each other when we're down at our worst but also
• 1:13:17
  you know like give them the opportunity for growth when it's your turn and that's hard because
• 1:13:24
  it's really hard balance yes a lot of individuals and couples there's somebody gets jealous or
• 1:13:30
  competitive and I think Christmas all I mean it hasn't been perfect but we've done this incredible
• 1:13:37
  dance through our journey and life so far together of 25 years of of really loving each other
• 1:13:44
  in meeting each other where we're at and I'm grateful for that. Thank you thank you I am too
• 1:13:51
  I actually want to dance yes I would love to dance oh my god let's do it Monday night where do
• 1:13:58
  we dance in Miami anywhere anywhere I was about to say anywhere that's the right city for us that's
• 1:14:05
  the last thing we need to do my question was so you're doing this incredible dance as a couple as a
• 1:14:11
  thing and then you had kids I assume pretty young and how like right now it's very trendy to be like
• 1:14:20
  oh for the success of the marriage the couples should put each other first and then focus on the
• 1:14:26
  kids afterwards like you have to not overlook each other a new relationship and intimacy and love
• 1:14:32
  by focusing everything on the kids like that's how a lot of I guess our parents ended up the
• 1:14:35
  worst and how a lot of like love kind of disappears eventually and like the everyday life takes over
• 1:14:43
  what kind of was your philosophy in that sense like losing your family and not losing this spark
• 1:14:49
  because there was a spark we can all see it and I would just I love to know yeah how are you still
• 1:14:55
  like this like you know hot fun and like excited to play each other I would say you know you have
• 1:15:02
  to be mindful of that for sure in terms of stepping away and having that intimacy and that time
• 1:15:11
  as a couple because you can get caught up in the day-to-day life of not nurturing your relationship
• 1:15:18
  with your spouse and Chris and myself have always done a great job at being present parents
• 1:15:24
  he came from two awesome parents I did the same and I think they taught us a lot about the value of
• 1:15:32
  family and raising a family and I would say we always were mindful of our social interaction was
• 1:15:41
  going on trips together it wasn't about going and you know like during our face off at the country
• 1:15:47
  club or you know like him going off you know like with a bunch of dudes we just when we were ever
• 1:15:53
  away from our kids it was actually about the two of us nurturing our relationship traveling the
• 1:15:57
  world together and we have lots of friends but family has always come first and I think if you are
• 1:16:06
  present with your kids and making that the number one value then it allows you to space when you
• 1:16:13
  are together to not be stressed out because the worst thing in the world is then all hell breaks
• 1:16:17
  loose at home because you haven't been mindful parents and now seeing where our kids are jack 22
• 1:16:23
  thriving and successful and just on the cusp of like launching into the finance world and I mean like
• 1:16:31
  I think you could probably share a little bit about where our kids stand with like seeing us as
• 1:16:36
  parents and what we'll provide it for them I don't know yeah I think when we first got married
• 1:16:41
  to go back and then I'll go forward we I was 26 she was 23 and I think that's right yeah jack how old were we
• 1:16:52
  no we were 28 and 25 yeah that's it we were 28 25 27 20 whatever I'm three years older I know I
• 1:17:00
  look like I'm 40 but I'm not trust me but I think initially she was I wanted to have kids right
• 1:17:10
  away and she was like I don't know none of my friends who've been married yet one of those and now
• 1:17:15
  she doesn't look like she's got a 22 year old and a 20 year old and a 16 year old
• 1:17:19
  and we're just coming into the second phase of our life we're going to be empty nesters in a few
• 1:17:23
  years and you know it's it's yeah we're in a great place but to see us dig into our kids and you
• 1:17:33
  know always you know be present and and be invested in them and their success and teaching them
• 1:17:40
  life what what we know you see them now kind of start to you know you look at always your older
• 1:17:48
  kids emulate you the kids are listening all the time they know what's going on even when you don't
• 1:17:53
  think they are and to kind of see where they're at now and and to kind of see how they're thriving at
• 1:18:00
  school and listen that's up and down as we talked about earlier it's not Instagram filter perfection
• 1:18:07
  here it's there's ups and downs just like we do every single day but they're doing really well
• 1:18:12
  and and they they are very appreciative of the fact that we were invested in them and in helping
• 1:18:18
  them succeed but allowing them to fail and figure things out on their own but you know keep the
• 1:18:23
  guardrails somewhere where if they clip that too far out we would be there to you know have a
• 1:18:29
  little chat and tell them it was you know where where they needed to fix themselves or what they
• 1:18:35
  could do to write the wrong or what have you so you know we're very proud of all three of them
• 1:18:40
  and we'll kind of where they are in their lives and what's next for them especially our oldest
• 1:18:45
  this Lauren said he's senior in that SMU and looking at doing something big in the future and I
• 1:18:53
  would say you know like the value that we provide for our clients and who we are as individuals
• 1:18:59
  on the platform that we're creating in this chapter too we don't have it all figured out
• 1:19:05
  but we're here to share like marriage and parenting and growing in business together
• 1:19:11
  and I think there's a lot of value in that leveling up leveling up together like it's not easy
• 1:19:18
  we don't we don't have it all figured out the more you have conversations the more you learn it's
• 1:19:22
  as we talk about on these trips you can implement one thing that you learned in your everyday life
• 1:19:27
  it's the same thing with every interaction and every conversation yeah if you pick up one little
• 1:19:30
  tidbit you can add to your arsenal of your your tool belt you're you're gonna be that much better
• 1:19:36
  and even on you know that note as we were talking about like imperfections and vulnerabilities and
• 1:19:41
  so forth like our boys model everything their father does and they you know like Chris I think
• 1:19:49
  recently has leveled up his own health and wellness and I'll let him share a little bit about that
• 1:19:55
  but kind of on a funny side and then he can get to it is our boys are so proud of their father
• 1:20:01
  and there was a moment about a year ago where they were not so proud of him and he you know
• 1:20:06
  like how to come to Jesus with their father and and that was a hard thing but now they're like this
• 1:20:11
  the kids use this like terminology about correct I'm sure you probably have heard this it means like
• 1:20:16
  good I don't know I don't know all the new yeah it means like he's doing good he's making good
• 1:20:20
  choices in his life and like that is so correct he is so good like he's amazing and the way
• 1:20:28
  that they look at him and the approval and the admiration is a hundred times bigger than when he
• 1:20:35
  was MVP of the week that's so interesting what people look up to yeah and and I mean I don't
• 1:20:41
  know if you want to share a little bit about like kind of what happened so I would just you know I
• 1:20:46
  would say I had a let's go I had an unhealthy relationship with alcohol I didn't I don't know if
• 1:20:56
  I have a problem had a problem however you want to describe it I would I liked the taste of it I
• 1:21:03
  you know some people you can tell they don't where they're like but they still do it and I'm
• 1:21:07
  I just enjoyed it and it was just something you know something we always did what happened
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  the year ago this situation with my kids happened a year ago but you know just in general over the
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  years I wasn't a big drinker you know I wasn't a big drinker playing summer times it was kind of
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  when I would party in drink and and let some steam off whatever and then you know just your
• 1:21:27
  retire and you're you know just golfing and you're just doing things you know it just random
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  things right and it just COVID wasn't good you started drinking earlier you just what are you
• 1:21:37
  going to do and it really I know that's as sad as it sounds I think that's probably one of the
• 1:21:43
  things that happened in over COVID I just started drinking a lot more every single day and
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  and since my concussion when I would drink I could feel it immediately in my head like the
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  moment it touched my tongue boom I could just feel it in my head and you know you're just kind of
• 1:22:00
  sluff it off whatever it's not a big deal like everything else mind over matter and you're just like
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  ah it's not that big a deal you're not stressed about it you're not worried about it and you know
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  as time goes on you're drinking more more you're you're doing all these things you're not really
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  you don't really see it like anything when you get when you're in shape or you're out of shape
• 1:22:18
  the delta between the two you don't realize how much out of shape you are or how in shape you
• 1:22:24
  are because you see yourself every single day it's like it's like it's like have it's sacking
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  but diverse exactly yeah yeah you're starting to open up and we'll pass now so as I'm as I'm going through
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  it I'm like you know you start drinking more and more and then you start drinking more and more
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  each time you drink and you don't really realize you're recognized and ultimately my kids are like
• 1:22:43
  okay we don't like you being this hammer all the time we don't like being around you we don't like
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  how you're acting you know you're supposed to be the adult in the room you're not a college
• 1:22:53
  rat guy you know etc and I'm like okay well I guess if this is worth this is sad I need to do
• 1:22:59
  something about it and just made the decision right I'm I'm gonna do 75 hard which is a you know
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  big training thing and you know stop drinking and just all right well then I'll stop drinking if
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  it's that big if you guys think it's that big a deal so what you could say said that so like
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  that's the year ago when they said that they said that to you and so I just say all right well
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  then I don't I don't have to and just said okay then fine I'll stop drinking and I don't think
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  well actually I mean I do feel like I was always in good shape yeah like I well you know
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  the first couple now hold on the first hold on the first couple years of my career I was not like a
• 1:23:40
  die hard workout guy I was somebody who relied on his talent and you know I had pretty good cardio
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  just naturally what I was I didn't train properly I didn't put the effort forth and you know
• 1:23:54
  dive in and and try to perfect and and be the best possible player I could be once I did that
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  then I took my game to the next level and and took off my career took off and the same as a
• 1:24:07
  year ago I was not in great I would pick and choose when I'd work out I'd pick and choose how I
• 1:24:13
  felt I'm picking choose a lot of excuses like everything a victim with mentality of my back
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  sore my knees sore my body sore you know 16 surgeries you know all these all these other maladies
• 1:24:24
  whatever and you make excuses as opposed to okay man up and okay you said you're gonna do it do it
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  yeah and I would say I think when that happened with the boys and it truly I remember
• 1:24:37
  clears day it was actually October was your almost exactly year ago and they sat their father down
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  and it was truly a come to Jesus of you need to clean yourself up and he could have said screw
• 1:24:52
  you guys I'm fine and look at you guys you're in college you guys drink your face off but silently
• 1:24:59
  Chris stepped away from that and I watched him make subtle changes I have always been very mindful
• 1:25:08
  of my wellness and being optimal whether you want to say you know like I've put this protective
• 1:25:14
  body armor on because I know what I was given in terms of genes my father's colon cancer runs
• 1:25:21
  through me my mom breast cancer so I have all these things and so that's always been kind of like
• 1:25:28
  very important to me but I was never gonna push that upon Chris it had to be on his own terms
• 1:25:33
  because that's who he is and if I were to ever say hey I want you to start being more mindful of
• 1:25:40
  not drinking so much eating better stress management all these things he would have shut down it
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  would have been really tough on our marriage I would have need to write a contract of yes yes
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  so I was I was proud of him because he just put the wheels in motion and it was starting with 75
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  heart and our boys both have gone through 75 heart as well and it has been life changing for him
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  and I would say and maybe you can speak to this because I am so diligent about the habit stacking
• 1:26:16
  all the things I do in my life to stay optimal and super well he's always watched that
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  and not that he wasn't you know I mean but I would say you weren't as on top of like doing the
• 1:26:30
  consistent things in an everyday life and I always lived by like kind of an 80-20 well done
• 1:26:38
  you know it was it was really great to see that you were starting to do these things on your own
• 1:26:45
  and like we just kind of again did this beautiful dance together in a different level of life
• 1:26:51
  of let's get super well together I call him my mister super well some stuff I like some stuff I'm
• 1:26:56
  like no I don't like that you know I don't want to do that you had to you had to pivot from doing it
• 1:27:02
  as a career doing it for you and I always and but I always was kind of a shape I wasn't in great
• 1:27:08
  shape but you know like playing shape but you're kind of like this I'm just why do she always
• 1:27:17
  interrupt me when I'm trying to know I'm just saying you what you look as good as you did when
• 1:27:22
  you won the Stanley Cup I know but I was about to say I was it in great shape but I'm not exactly
• 1:27:34
  there but I'm getting closer to that you look amazing thank you sexy beast I'm almost sir she's
• 1:27:40
  only interrupting to hit on you yeah I mean that's it okay mister super well I'm hearing a lot of
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  like what he says to me all the time when I'm like trying to hammer down certain wellness habits
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  and he's like no I look good I feel good I look the gym I'm good like that's not all the
• 1:27:58
  risk to it but they just seem to be from the same kind of school of thought it's like you know oh
• 1:28:05
  we work out we did this like you know play hockey goes to the gym he's like I'm good like this is
• 1:28:10
  all I need I'm like I feel like there's more to it well I and there probably is it's just it's just
• 1:28:15
  being stubborn maybe maybe he has to wait for his kids to have a come to Jesus now that would be
• 1:28:21
  that would be super tough for me that would be super tough if my kids like sat it was not easy
• 1:28:27
  to sit there and have your kid yeah thank you well and look at you and you know you could see they were
• 1:28:33
  not not having what it was a tough conversation to have well and I think also really sharing
• 1:28:42
  the truth like the whole true story was we were struggling as a marriage too like and I was like
• 1:28:49
  this is not gonna take us down after everything we've been through I was fighting my own battle like
• 1:28:54
  as a wife but then when you have your kids so he knew I was disappointed and I was like you
• 1:29:02
  need to clean your stuff up like this is really not the best version of yourself and I'm disappointed
• 1:29:08
  in you as a husband and then when your kids you know 21 year old and a 19 year old and your daughter
• 1:29:15
  kind of are like hey dad Chris could have made a lot of different decisions he made the right
• 1:29:22
  decision and I'm I'm so proud of him because not only did he execute but man like he has taken it
• 1:29:30
  to a whole new level and like I said our kids look at him I mean with such admiration bigger than
• 1:29:37
  when he want to Stanley Cup or a gold medal or anything like that and that's that's pretty unique
• 1:29:43
  for an individual that is gonna be 50 years old I think it's almost 30 or almost 40 yeah almost
• 1:29:51
  almost 40 but you know it's actually it's I've thought about this a lot people that are high
• 1:29:57
  performing at sports or at business they are one bad habit away from going down this really bad
• 1:30:03
  road because you are because you get addicted to the result yeah and that's the only way you could
• 1:30:09
  ever play pro anything or ever make x amount of that you have to be like a little bit on hinge
• 1:30:14
  to be able to go that far on the thing so if you pivot that toward something good life-changing
• 1:30:19
  beautiful you pivot that toward something bad then all of a sudden it's like that is so encompassing
• 1:30:24
  because you're all or nothing people that are successful in anything are all or nothing more
• 1:30:30
  often than not well I would I would completely agree with that and to be at that level you have to
• 1:30:36
  and for your kids to be so proud of you now like you say even more so than when he like won the
• 1:30:42
  Stanley Cup and all these things it just shows what is really truly important to them what they value
• 1:30:47
  like they don't care that their father like it's cool yeah but they won their father to be like his
• 1:30:52
  utmost healthy most you know clear credit yeah so that's actually incredible and a testament to
• 1:30:57
  how much your kids are and I always say that's that whole concept of I do you do we do you know like
• 1:31:06
  you they model everything we do and all three of our kids are very focused on health and wellness
• 1:31:13
  they all lift heavy they're like the boys are gym bros which they hate that term Lila who started
• 1:31:20
  training herself when she was 15 she writes her own programs I mean they all get to the gym and
• 1:31:26
  they model everything we do and I mean they eat really well like now I'm hiding my brussel sprouts
• 1:31:31
  and roasted mixed vegetables from my boys because they eat it all so fast and I'm like I can't cut
• 1:31:36
  fast enough but yeah when they were kids it was all craft mac and cheese and all these things and
• 1:31:41
  um you know so it's it's it's really amazing to see as a family how you evolve through challenges
• 1:31:49
  in life and you grow together because they're saying that mom and dad are perfect I mean we do the
• 1:31:55
  best we can to keep peace in the household growth that happens from the adversity absolutely that's
• 1:32:00
  when you grow it's not the the easy to happens in the easy days it's the hard days that's when you
• 1:32:06
  find true bro and and I think you know we've sat down and had so many conversations with our kids
• 1:32:11
  on values of you know girlfriends boyfriends and you know who to look for and and and I think they're
• 1:32:21
  curious as to this is a crazy world and these kids and social media and what they're up against
• 1:32:28
  and even choices of friends um and I think you know for the two of us you know we're all about
• 1:32:37
  really keeping your circle tight and and being with individuals that lift you up that are not um
• 1:32:46
  I think that's right I think people will lift you up not not not you want to be around people
• 1:32:49
  to make you feel good but but you know energy giving you and they yeah they uh they uh they help
• 1:32:56
  you level up but they're challenging you they call you out on your shit but they you know you're
• 1:33:01
  doing good hey man keep you're doing great keep that up people are hard to find because everyone's
• 1:33:04
  so worried about them selling or or themselves yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah they don't only have
• 1:33:10
  been accountable he's got from rich you pissed somebody off because you're holding them accountable
• 1:33:14
  sorry and I feel like they all do have this beautiful light about them and you know if you
• 1:33:20
  allow individuals to grab on that light and kind of dim that you know you're not able to
• 1:33:26
  share the gifts that you want to share with individuals and I just um I think you know like
• 1:33:32
  it's hard to raise kids in this day and age and and just what they're all against but
• 1:33:38
  so I yeah yeah I just just you've gone through like so many ups and downs as uh as a couple
• 1:33:44
  as as business partners if you're gonna look back I guess I think it's very interesting to
• 1:33:48
  understand out of all the different things that have sort of happened in medical uh career
• 1:33:55
  business kids what would be the thing that you find the hardest to go through as a couple
• 1:34:00
  well the hardest thing as a couple was probably Edmonton you know he went there
• 1:34:04
  I didn't bring it up I last year and and last year would be a probably a close second
• 1:34:10
  yeah you know the tail end of it but you know the whole Edmonton shit show was a lot of
• 1:34:24
  a lot of different things that happen again as I as I look back and we just talked about it
• 1:34:29
  yeah when I don't sleep on something or I've been drinking what happens that night we were at a
• 1:34:35
  friends 30th birthday I got the call that we got I just got traded and we went out grabbed a
• 1:34:41
  couple of books on Edmonton she didn't know anything about it you know whatever then she went
• 1:34:46
  to bed then I sat up having a couple beers my agent called me you know as I'm thinking about it
• 1:34:51
  and then I get on the line with Edmonton and I'm like oh okay they want to talk to him like okay
• 1:34:57
  and all of a sudden we're negotiating contract right there and I'm like what
• 1:35:02
  and so you know it's just as you look back when you when you have clarity and you're able to look at
• 1:35:08
  kind of your what you've done you look back and go okay well there's one mistake what were you doing
• 1:35:14
  oh you were drinking oh there's another mistake you don't got to do I went out did you negotiate
• 1:35:18
  the contract wasn't you're drinking yeah wow no my agent negotiated it and I you're you're doing
• 1:35:26
  this well I was no I was drunk I was drunk I was asleep I was what I was already you know I'd
• 1:35:33
  already been drinking yeah yeah yeah I know so that my friends realize when you said you didn't sleep
• 1:35:37
  on it it was like the same night no it was the same night I didn't sleep on it I got the trade
• 1:35:43
  notice that like nine o'clock I didn't sign it I just agreed to it could I have gotten out of it maybe
• 1:35:51
  but I agreed verbally to it yeah with all parties online oh wow we're going to move to Edmonton
• 1:35:58
  for the year thinking in the morning I'll wake up and so as I look at it I'm like okay there was
• 1:36:05
  one where I was drinking the DUI I was drinking the other time I got thrown in jail with that heart
• 1:36:10
  when I was with Hartford at in Buffalo I was drinking you know and you just look at all the
• 1:36:14
  situations like okay there's that there's that you're you're just looking at all the situation
• 1:36:19
  you're like okay I mean clearly something stands out yeah and it takes you know it just all
• 1:36:25
  comes full circle and something comes it becomes clearer when you stop doing something you're like okay
• 1:36:30
  and you you start leveling up when you're working on things that matter whether it's 2.03
• 1:36:38
  point oh whatever you want whatever you want to see a common thread between all the
• 1:36:41
  doubts yeah the bad shit that happens to you there's a comment thread and there's a
• 1:36:46
  there's a reason or there is a specific reason things happen and then on the leveling up front
• 1:36:54
  you're just thinking so clearly and you're able to see exactly what you want to do and the different
• 1:36:58
  things that you can help people with with your experiences and you're like why am I wasting my
• 1:37:05
  one chance on earth doing all this dumb shit when like the opportunity I have is once in a lifetime
• 1:37:10
  people will kill for this yeah I got it and based on the experiences that I have and what I know
• 1:37:15
  and what I can help people with you know can you use that as a chance to pay it forward and help
• 1:37:23
  people level up and take their lives to the next level whether it's professionally or personally and
• 1:37:30
  you know I wanted to kind of see where that could take me I think it's a bless I want to ask like
• 1:37:35
  your answer the same question but I think it's actually such a blessing that you're both here you're
• 1:37:41
  both together and regardless of all the ups and downs you figure out a way to get through it
• 1:37:47
  because I actually think that if you give a young kid virtually at this stage in their life
• 1:37:53
  seems to be unlimited money and you're like go and figure shit out and not only that you're all it's
• 1:37:58
  not just money it's not like it's a trust fund kid you're also famous so it's like you get both at the
• 1:38:04
  same time and you're like go figure out life I'm sure that most people would fuck that up
• 1:38:11
  because I mean I'm thinking about how I was at whatever 18 19 20 like like I didn't I got in
• 1:38:19
  trouble too not that bad but I got in trouble too and I didn't have unlimited money so I can
• 1:38:24
  only imagine that when you think you know you're invincible to the world well and you're playing
• 1:38:28
  a sport that's physical so you are invincible you yeah 100% you're you feel that way you feel
• 1:38:35
  that way of all this money you know you don't you're not taught finance which is a huge issue actually
• 1:38:40
  you're not sure that you're not taught how to do this which is it's it's stupid but that's another
• 1:38:46
  that's another podcast that's another podcast yeah we can't we can't we can't fix everybody's health
• 1:38:52
  wellness and then redo the education system all in one bad guy that's your answer you know what I'm
• 1:38:57
  actually in that kind of pivot and I'm not going to focus on a particular moment what I'm
• 1:39:03
  going to say is let's talk about chapter two and how okay the hardest moments which is what Chris
• 1:39:11
  I think just talked about I would say that was probably the hardest moment that was just about
• 1:39:18
  rock bottom for him for us for our family and it was devastating to me as a wife of thinking
• 1:39:26
  is this really everything we've fought for that we thought we're never going to let anything
• 1:39:33
  take us down and this is what's going to take us down I am not standing for this no please Chris
• 1:39:39
  like bring us back like I couldn't ask him to do it he had to do it on his own and he did it
• 1:39:46
  and now I look at like okay chapter two that is unbelievable like where we're at in this place
• 1:39:54
  you know and it had to go from that to this and I love that extreme because I think now Chris has
• 1:40:02
  such clarity of his mind and he is able to really support what I'm wanting to do in my life he's
• 1:40:09
  seeing you know like the growth and the opportunity on all fronts of being optimal from the mind
• 1:40:16
  body and spirit because it all plays into each other and I'm just excited to see him on the
• 1:40:24
  cusp of 50 looking better than he has ever looked at this stage in life I mean truly I look at
• 1:40:31
  photos we've got him like mirror where we feed our dogs every morning and we scoop the food out
• 1:40:36
  every morning and there's this picture of him and the boys and he's flexing right before he won
• 1:40:40
  the Stanley Cup and I'm like oh my god because I see him every morning was he showering and so
• 1:40:45
  forth I'm like you look as good as you do now and that is something to be said for a man who has
• 1:40:52
  had 16 surgeries and gone through all he has gone through and I think it took getting back your
• 1:41:01
  question of getting to the hardest place to be where he's at and where we are now and now like
• 1:41:08
  seeing this rocket ship that we're both at this place in life and you know I always say like
• 1:41:15
  in terms of my mantra in life my own personal mantra has always been I am the well striving
• 1:41:21
  to be super well why the heck not and I'm here to be a guide for others to do the same because
• 1:41:28
  we're all this place of I don't want to just be well I want to be super well I want to be as
• 1:41:34
  optimals that humanly can't and every day I get out of bed he gets out of bed you get out of
• 1:41:41
  bed we make choices and how you are productive in your life and implement those choices are going
• 1:41:50
  to feed into the next day and the next day and the next day we're not perfect I always say 80 20
• 1:41:56
  but when I am 80% on I am the best version of myself and I love to be just a guide and an
• 1:42:07
  inspiration to others to do the same and I feed off of that from individuals too because
• 1:42:14
  we're just at this place in life where there's so much confusion there's so much noise out there
• 1:42:21
  and I was given you know these genes as I was talking to you about you know with my fathers
• 1:42:27
  calling cancer my mom and breast cancer and so forth and does that mean that I'm going to say
• 1:42:31
  every morning well geez I'm just destined to have these terrible genes that I'm going to get cancer
• 1:42:36
  and or I'm going to get diabetes like my dad or I'm going to have a stroke or I'm going to do
• 1:42:41
  everything in my power to defy those odds make good choices not eat processed food try to sleep
• 1:42:47
  optimally and try to fuel my body from a nutritional standpoint lower my central nervous system
• 1:42:53
  tap into that person with that nervous system and I feel like all of us live in this heightened state
• 1:42:59
  all the time of the sympathetic nervousism the fight or flight aligns chasing us we're on all the time
• 1:43:04
  and we were talking about as females like our systems and our hormones are so hypersensitive to this
• 1:43:11
  world that is in front of us now it's not changing it's where we're living it's going to get worse
• 1:43:18
  how do we dial it back how do we really calm everything and get back to the basics of
• 1:43:27
  healing our bodies and that's where I kind of I have these eight pillars and I call it super well
• 1:43:32
  living method one is well aging optimally nursing nutrition getting back to nature none of them cost
• 1:43:40
  money none of them are that hard it's pretty simple yeah but yet yet it is something that fuels
• 1:43:49
  in this beautiful flow and eight is a very symbolic number for me because it's a continuous
• 1:43:53
  infinity symbol of no broken chains balance harmony and I always say bio rhythm for females is
• 1:44:04
  so important because dude you guys live in this like biohacking you know bros that are like
• 1:44:10
  I'm gonna cold punch like really hard and I'm gonna stay in there for 10 12 minutes and all this and
• 1:44:17
  and as we were talking Gina about like the HPA access the hypothalamus pituitary adrenal system
• 1:44:24
  and this delicate balance for females is is how we stay in balance and that that rhythm
• 1:44:29
  because if something is off from our mind body and spirit in this beautiful rhythm and dance
• 1:44:34
  is trying to play and there's like a confini and and a disruption whether it's your gut as we
• 1:44:39
  were talking about the gut health is slightly important that's our second brain it is going to
• 1:44:44
  disrupt everything and I just try to share with individuals the most basic concepts in phases
• 1:44:53
  because I need to meet everybody where they're at in their journey I don't want to intimidate
• 1:44:57
  I don't want to scare them off but it's truly getting out first in the morning setting your
• 1:45:02
  eyes on the sun no technology getting your feet in the ground in the soil um having lemon water
• 1:45:09
  with greens and all these basic things that I whether you want to call a habit stack it off
• 1:45:15
  but I also have a beauty element like I put on a red light therapy mask and I do a lot of
• 1:45:19
  things throughout my day like where I can have that on biomats I mean yeah you have like red light
• 1:45:25
  therapy and insanas and all these things that cost money but there's a lot of ways that I teach
• 1:45:29
  and guide individuals that don't cost any money and it's truly just calming our systems and
• 1:45:38
  you know I I just love to share it it's a deep rooted place of passion for me because it goes back
• 1:45:44
  to my father's journey and now my own journey of feeling my own sense of burnout and building this
• 1:45:52
  holistic tool melt and at any point in time I truly tell it individuals I'm like yeah your
• 1:45:59
  doctor can prescribe you this pill you got to take a pill then you have to let it react in
• 1:46:06
  2015 whatever however long it takes or you can learn simple simple breathwork patterns you can
• 1:46:14
  learn meditation a mantra and that is the fastest way to tap into your personal theoretical
• 1:46:20
  nervous system your rest and digest which you were asking about my CGM here so I look at all my
• 1:46:26
  wearables I've got three right now I've got more coming and it's never ending crisis like more of
• 1:46:32
  stacking never ends I didn't even know all these wearables and and I always say the proof is in the
• 1:46:39
  pudding and so I was part of the beta testing for this CGM which is through levels health app
• 1:46:45
  and it's integrated through a CGM which measures your glucose and they have more coming out in
• 1:46:51
  the future that are going to monitor all different things in the body and it gives you your own
• 1:46:57
  bio individual numbers in data to how my body is reacting and as we were talking about how I
• 1:47:04
  hacked my system with the hormones and I did the whole infertility like ovulation monitors for
• 1:47:10
  three months because I always want my own data that's how I find comfort I don't obsess over it
• 1:47:17
  but I know that I see what's spiking my system whether it's my heart rate whether it's my glucose
• 1:47:24
  that's telling me something I'm not going to react the same way you're going to react
• 1:47:29
  I may be allergic to barley I may have heightened senses with something that you don't how I
• 1:47:35
  react to the cold tub how I react to stress how I react to too much high intensity workouts
• 1:47:41
  caffeine versus matcha so all these things that I have put into place over like since 2011 essentially
• 1:47:49
  my burnout I have gained so much insight and I'm not sitting here saying hey Gina okay your body
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  is going to react the exact same way my body is but what I'm going to say is here are tools
• 1:48:02
  your ways that you should try out things and see how your body reacts see how you feel trust the
• 1:48:08
  process let's go from phase one to phase two to phase three and I have these digital courses that
• 1:48:15
  I'm working on that I'm really excited to share because I think it allows individuals to not be
• 1:48:23
  intimidated and ask any question you want no no I roll I just keep going I 100% this is all
• 1:48:31
  this is just the icing on this is real life no so when you think about so like Chris even all the
• 1:48:38
  all the problems that you had now problems and whatnot what did you start to include in your life
• 1:48:44
  that work didn't work and by the way all of the things that we do now and some of them
• 1:48:51
  the data is showing when I used to do them it was wrong like cold plunging I used to do the cold
• 1:48:58
  plunge after I worked out well it's for inflammation it's for this for that both the new data
• 1:49:04
  suggests that you should do it before you know so it's ever evolving it's always changing and adapting
• 1:49:09
  to new studies to new things that are going on I drink greens in the morning I I drink I let's
• 1:49:18
  see here what do I do first I get up I drink a glass of water then I do my greens then I do the
• 1:49:25
  infrared sauna then I do the cold plunge then I depending upon what my lift looks like I'll either
• 1:49:32
  eat or I'll do my lift depending upon what what the lift is and then I'll start my day and I'll
• 1:49:40
  start writing or doing things and then look at emails and do that stuff but I try to be technology
• 1:49:46
  free the first 30 30 to 45 minutes of the morning you find it makes like a huge huge difference
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  I do I do I would I'm also very much into habits very much into habits stacking
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  I have been like I'm very routine oriented very much into
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  very much into having routines and structure and discipline on and so
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  whether it's disciplined to training and eating and doing all these things it's
• 1:50:22
  having those in place so that I know exactly what I'm doing and then it's why am I doing it and
• 1:50:28
  what is it providing me and how is it fueling me or making me better yeah so you so I mean like
• 1:50:34
  you're probably I don't have 35 habit stacks not but you know but you include some that I do
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  every single day that allow me to start my day off better yeah and in a more aligned
• 1:50:49
  morning line day and that sets up my day for success every single day you feel like it's noticeable
• 1:50:56
  and noticeable difference when you go through the routine versus not yeah yeah I have much my days
• 1:51:02
  are clear and more effective when I have structure to my day and when it's Lucy goosey I'm traveling
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  early so I can't do certain things it just you're out of whack you're out of balance because you're
• 1:51:16
  not within the structure that allows you the discipline structure that allows you to be the
• 1:51:21
  most successful you keep talking about you don't even have it stacking so talk to me about
• 1:51:25
  habit stacking so I have a book I share I brought for you all too and yes it's it's truly
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  AM to PM I don't follow it religiously I'm not obsessed over it I mean we all have to give each other
• 1:51:45
  grace but I and I add to it all the time I subtract sometimes I really base it on my wearables and
• 1:51:54
  I look at things and I adjust I track my hormones through I do like I have these ovulation kits
• 1:52:02
  that I've hacked my whole system with that and that's a female thing of like you know these dicks
• 1:52:07
  kind of like you know are you pregnant you're not pregnant but it's incredible the insights that
• 1:52:12
  I look at and I'm kind of my own scientist and biohacker of my system you know you know what
• 1:52:18
  regular is and you know what not yes absolutely and I like to say I'm kind of a guinea pig
• 1:52:25
  for all females in my area and and the great thing is is that I'm 47 so I'm not too young where
• 1:52:35
  you know like people older women don't take me seriously and I'm not too old you know like I'm
• 1:52:39
  right in this sweet spot and I I'm the first person say I am entering into Metapause with a soft
• 1:52:46
  bounce and that is my goal and my mission and it's a hot topic right now I know this is making
• 1:52:51
  you too uncomfortable right now but it truly is and I think you know like there's a way to
• 1:53:00
  approach it and in terms of habit stacking it plays into the hormones maybe even like just explain
• 1:53:07
  for the like what habit habit stacking is so okay so truly it's being as efficient as you can with
• 1:53:13
  your time and productive but mindful of the wellness component you don't want to stress yourself
• 1:53:20
  everybody can be like well I have this act for a time efficiency but is that stressing your central
• 1:53:24
  nervous system out because that is defeating the whole purpose if you just feel like you're the
• 1:53:29
  whole day is ruined if you don't get these things and then you got to get them at yeah I don't set
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  my alarm my body naturally wakes up by circadian rhythm I leave the drapes open so I see the sun
• 1:53:41
  coming out and the first thing I do not technology is not in our space I literally put on my
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  robe my glasses I step out the door eyes first on the sun the reason I do that is because circadian
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  rhythm my eyes are telling my brain this is the moment waking up gearing up cortisol go ahead spike
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  up let's let's get going let's get up for the day so then I go out there I do a little breath work
• 1:54:08
  kind of set my intention for the morning then I put my feet in the round at the same time you're
• 1:54:13
  walking around in the soil in the grass anytime of the season I mean obviously 20% of it's a
• 1:54:19
  snow ice day I might not renewing it but for the most part it really helps me and I know it sounds
• 1:54:25
  sooo and weird but like that connection that energy something just like just penetrates through
• 1:54:32
  the whole body and that energy and touching nature and the dewy grass and all of that I go right
• 1:54:39
  inside I don't turn the lights on the bathroom I have my lemon so I have this whole recipe oh it's
• 1:54:44
  quite the concoction it is but I I'm very time efficient without having these lemon ice cubes that I
• 1:54:49
  freeze every Sunday and fresh lemon juice but I put 50% water in and have them frozen these little
• 1:54:56
  ice cubes so I put it in a glass bottle so they're always sitting right next to that's sitting
• 1:55:00
  next to my bathroom sink I have my greens there I have apple cider vinegar I have all these things
• 1:55:06
  that I dump into it first thing to hit my gut after a night of like fasting I usually try to
• 1:55:12
  maintain like a 12 hour fast like I shut down the kitchen pretty early so that's the first thing
• 1:55:17
  and getting back to gut health and it reset the cleanse kind of like waking that up as I take kind
• 1:55:24
  of probiotics and I don't like overstress about supplements I know that people let's a whole noisy
• 1:55:29
  space too right there I take the basics official oil a couple basic things and then I go in and I
• 1:55:37
  have matcha and I mix it with pre-eating well I have my red light therapy mask on feed the dogs talk
• 1:55:43
  to the dogs still no technology sometimes I will do like a metabolic flexibility tool to check
• 1:55:50
  where my fat and carb burning is depending if you were traveling and if I see like hey I had too
• 1:55:57
  many carbs and because a lot is you want to be metabolically flexible burning fat burning carbs
• 1:56:03
  at certain times of the day most of the time now I've really hacked my system and I know where I'm at
• 1:56:08
  but it's a great check in but getting back to like red light therapy mask is on I'm kind of
• 1:56:13
  known for it's very goofy but I multitask have it stack with it on as I'm making kind of like
• 1:56:20
  morning matcha feeding the dogs all those things and then from there like I'll make breakfast usually
• 1:56:28
  lie will come down I'll really plug into her protein forward breakfast fuel my body I am not
• 1:56:34
  stable yes mouth I mean usually have like micro greens eggs chicken steak huge meal my oh my gosh
• 1:56:43
  women are like I always try to meet the goal yes yes I would my goal is a gram of protein per body
• 1:56:51
  weight or more and I would say the more I fuel my body with protein the more I eat in terms of
• 1:56:58
  like healthy good nutrition the skinnier I get and the more heavier I live the more my body shrinks
• 1:57:07
  it's just like it's like saran wrap on the body those are my two tips and tricks for women
• 1:57:14
  that are like my gosh like I'm getting so heavy in my abdominal area what is that that's cortisol
• 1:57:20
  dumping into your body that's cardio that's hip training all the wrong things I did it remember my
• 1:57:25
  burnout story and I felt it I saw it and I was like oh my gosh I have been training the wrong way
• 1:57:31
  fueling my body the wrong way so yeah protein forward breakfast then from there usually
• 1:57:38
  well I'll go down to contrast therapy by that time he's like mr. super well is turned on the son
• 1:57:44
  I'm already done by the time she's done and god forbid if I ever enter into that zone of like
• 1:57:49
  where he is and we have it I mean it's not glamorous it's in our storage closet in the basement
• 1:57:55
  I mean like that's what we have in there well we have our infrared son uh we have our
• 1:58:01
  cold cold tub we have uh our luggage and all of our holiday I see you I see you all do the all
• 1:58:10
  the social posts from the sauna yeah oh yeah Santa's there we got some where AV stuff and some
• 1:58:19
  of our HVAC stuff down there we know how to find stuff down in that room I think it's half the
• 1:58:25
  point of it though it's like whatever works just like get it get it done yeah it doesn't have to
• 1:58:29
  look pretty it just needs to work yeah yeah and it's truly just the efficiency of being right there
• 1:58:34
  having no excuses and so by the time he's done in the cold tub so the sauna is cranked up we've got
• 1:58:41
  a one that switches from traditional to infrared usually about I'll do 30 minutes in there it's
• 1:58:49
  about 140 degrees sometimes I'll okay there you go sometimes I'll do like light weights and I'll do
• 1:58:55
  a little arm routine in there I'm not jumping I'm not like doing any cardio or I'll listen to a
• 1:59:00
  podcast or I'll meditate do breath work like it just depends on my mood I again look at kind of like
• 1:59:06
  my wearables see where I'm at what I need to do um I'll always do the lymphatic brush like when I'm
• 1:59:13
  in there get all the like that going um the detox and so forth um I'll use like ice roller on my
• 1:59:21
  face I've got a couple different ones that I love I mean I've got a hat on my head to keep the
• 1:59:26
  hair from drying out it's a whole process and um and then it happened the cold tub and as I was
• 1:59:33
  telling you all got certified as a thermos instructor so I really know what my system means and
• 1:59:38
  that's like definitely a learning curve for females guys can go in there no problem but it's very
• 1:59:44
  interesting she's been hesitant to do the the cold punch thing yeah and it is it because it
• 1:59:50
  and I caution females because I think so often females want to try to keep up with men and getting
• 1:59:58
  back to that whole bio rhythm were very delicate and you have to be careful because I essentially broke
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  my system the HBA access and doing too much going too hard and by looking at what my glucose does
• 2:00:12
  and my heart rate and so forth by the time I get into the cold tub and I practice breathwork like
• 2:00:18
  I usually do a four seven eight I can tap into that place in a minute and it goes from 130
• 2:00:29
  my heart rate to literally a trans state of 55 it's insane in a minute how fast and getting
• 2:00:38
  back to where I said about a pill on a plane or anxiety situation of like if your doctor is
• 2:00:44
  prescribing you something how fast is that to control your breathwork that way in a panic situation
• 2:00:53
  because essentially when you get into cold tub your body is going into fight or flight it's going
• 2:00:58
  into that sympathetic nervous system holy shit what are you doing to me and if you know those
• 2:01:04
  tools and how to dominate your central nervous system you can dominate life and that is so
• 2:01:11
  powerful and I love sharing that with individuals because like do you want to have to take a pill and
• 2:01:19
  and you know like let that dominate you or you want to be able to say I know how to breathe through
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  this or I know how to meditate through this and to me that is the best gift you could ever provide
• 2:01:32
  anybody with so yeah contrast therapy and then strength training and then lunch and then I mean
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  all thanks always an evening walk the takeaway is super important people who are listening to
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  understand again it's habits that are stacked there's habits stacking in the morning and
• 2:01:46
  having stacking at night that's her yes but that's not where you start that's not where you start
• 2:01:50
  well you find what works for you yeah exactly and that's the trick is you're stacking things that
• 2:01:56
  work for you that set you up for success throughout the day yeah it's not random stuff that
• 2:02:02
  trying the next new thing and yeah the next you know yeah like you were saying you know there's
• 2:02:07
  always the next influencer and tiktok where try this trend try this trend I mean like the now I
• 2:02:14
  think there's this whole trend on chai seeds and all of a sudden wow like the the one with we're
• 2:02:21
  soak it in water overnight and I'm like oh my god 12 years ago I was soaking chai seeds in
• 2:02:28
  water and now I'd like I've been using zem basil seeds but it's just but that's part of my habit
• 2:02:35
  stacking that I've been doing for 12 years but you ahead of the curve you know I don't have it all
• 2:02:39
  figured out but I think just through years of my education and you know knowing a lot about
• 2:02:44
  gut health and that if we're going to talk about chai seeds and zem basil seeds that's a whole
• 2:02:48
  tangent I could go down but you were talking about your gut and I would love to share my favorite
• 2:02:52
  recipe but it's really like a long time ago when people talked about chai seeds and now they're
• 2:02:59
  figuring out a few other different seeds that really help benefit they've got help and the microbiome
• 2:03:05
  is the reason you want to soak it is because it gets this beautiful gelatinous state and if you
• 2:03:11
  think about when things are gelatinous and they go down your track your digestion and they end up
• 2:03:15
  in your gut what are they going to grab they're going to grab all the good and the bad bacteria we
• 2:03:21
  want to get rid of the bad bacteria and so that is what kind of evacuates I know it sounds gross
• 2:03:28
  but it keeps you optimal and then the good bacteria is like hey we're going to have a party in here
• 2:03:33
  we've gotten rid of the bad because that's you know like how you're going to build up that
• 2:03:38
  great gut barrier and I always say to clients because I try to like create pictures for people and
• 2:03:43
  that gut lining like you got this like fishnet like this and for people that have leaky gut
• 2:03:50
  it looks a lot like this and then the point is is we want to kind of create this barrier like this
• 2:03:56
  where it's so locked in and nothing can escape in terms of nutritional value and so by you know
• 2:04:04
  doing that it traps everything good in there and then by doing like the chai seeds and certain
• 2:04:11
  recipes it evacuates the bad stuff so that's I could go on and on about it well you know you mentioned
• 2:04:17
  two things that were interesting because I've actually heard Hubertman talk about the the sunlight
• 2:04:23
  and like the touching grass the ground yeah so there's like there's a lot of I love actually walking
• 2:04:33
  on grass I love touching grass there's something very like grounding then and like just like relaxing
• 2:04:39
  about other nature yeah yeah yeah because I've actually seen you doing a whole bunch of on
• 2:04:44
  Instagram you're you're you're going on tracks through mountains and jumping in the pools and stuff
• 2:04:50
  it's all part of it yeah that's all part of it yes it is it's I mean wherever you are in the world
• 2:04:56
  you need to be one with nature and and touching your feet to the earth and connecting and just
• 2:05:05
  I don't know how to explain I know it sounds woohoo and all this weird stuff
• 2:05:09
  well no but that's why I'm talking about Hubertman because I think he actually
• 2:05:13
  does research and looks at the science of it yes I think there's like a lot of science behind it
• 2:05:18
  yeah and when you look at your wearables and what it does like it's it's incredible and
• 2:05:23
  I mean I feel like I have so many years of data and it's just kind of the proof is in the pudding
• 2:05:30
  what would you say the biggest misconception about wellness or any of these routines like
• 2:05:35
  something that you you think people believe is true but actually isn't that this one's a good
• 2:05:44
  misconception I would say
• 2:05:50
  complicating things and
• 2:05:55
  always thinking they can reinvent the wheel of like oh try this try that
• 2:06:00
  I firmly believe in the basics and I always like to say you know I approach this with two
• 2:06:10
  unique lenses I approach it from years of being a pioneer as a luxury wellness travel advisor
• 2:06:19
  and seeing what the whole world has offered in terms of that and then as a wellness consultant
• 2:06:26
  in my education and by kind of melding those two things together I see trends all the time
• 2:06:34
  and I know what works is getting back to like my father's journey and wow that was in the early 80s
• 2:06:43
  and I'm doing the same things that saved my father's life and it hasn't changed and I'm feeling
• 2:06:51
  more optimal than I have ever felt at 47 than I did it 20 and it's not a TikTok trend
• 2:07:00
  it's truly what my father did it was learning meditation being present with one self
• 2:07:06
  that's soulful connection getting out in nature son on the eyes walking with your loved one
• 2:07:13
  connecting that way seeing the suns that go down at night and I mean I'm a big believer in acupuncture
• 2:07:23
  and I have this hack of a acupressure mat on Amazon it's $20 and it's essentially like going to
• 2:07:32
  an acupunctureist yeah tell them your story of the acupuncture I like to fall asleep on
• 2:07:40
  feel good go ahead like a lecture yeah she just did acupuncture for the
• 2:07:49
  you I'm buying one of these you're not essentially has like all spikes
• 2:07:53
  oh it's called the bed of nails so like a yogi like a bed of nails it literally is like wow
• 2:08:00
  okay and so I bought this I don't know like 20 years ago and he was like okay now this is
• 2:08:07
  totally extreme more and you're crazy like you're batshit crazy he's like you're gonna lay on
• 2:08:12
  that thing I'm like yes I am and it's so soothing and relaxing and so I always like read I'll do
• 2:08:20
  20 minutes on it before I go to bed and he's like fine I'm gonna try it he's that thing first
• 2:08:27
  day he tries it he falls asleep on it and he's snoring up a storm I'm like he's kicking me in
• 2:08:32
  oh it's so fun it's not kicking me the funniest thing is is now every night like when we're
• 2:08:38
  like getting ready for bed he has I bought him a Navy one I'm like pink one we like pull the bed
• 2:08:43
  out you know and everything and he's got his lined up and mine lined up and then even when we
• 2:08:48
  travel I have one that I always travel with hot pink he steals it from me and I'm like what do
• 2:08:52
  you think the maids are thinking they're like these people are really kinky that's better now
• 2:09:00
  better now I know she just did acupuncture a couple weeks ago and I've never I've never done
• 2:09:05
  up before but I've always been I'm so like scared of the needles and whatnot like I just never
• 2:09:11
  invited him to come in he was petrified like no one's poking you with needles when you go
• 2:09:18
  to somebody that knows what they're doing have you done it before yeah yeah it's not they don't
• 2:09:22
  feel it like that yeah and it's funny too when you know what is what is jacked up what's not what's
• 2:09:31
  not working properly what's not functioning right and they they never put it in that spot it's
• 2:09:35
  always some corresponding pressure point yeah and what you know they sit there in a you know five
• 2:09:40
  10 minutes obviously they include some of this stuff in like in like pro athlete routines now
• 2:09:46
  is this something to do yeah yeah some guys do it now yeah and it's crazy like some of the
• 2:09:51
  clients that we work with the things that they request we make happen I mean cold tubs on yachts
• 2:09:57
  and pelotons and yeah that was my next question uh-huh like what is the difference between regular
• 2:10:02
  luxury travel and for people well look at you asking such a brilliant question I love this
• 2:10:12
  a lot of this is like a fascinating place to be in this industry and as I was talking about
• 2:10:20
  you know kind of like my areas of expertise and just I see it from both sides and we have this
• 2:10:26
  side of wellness travel and the medical travel medical travel is what my dad was doing
• 2:10:32
  you know he was seeking for a cure he was looking for more time to save his life wellness travel is like
• 2:10:40
  kind of your soft and fluffy a mirror of all opinion ranch you know kind of that side of things and
• 2:10:45
  there's I love that we have a lot of clients that look for those kinds of trips and so forth
• 2:10:51
  but the sweet spot and like where this trend in industry is going is right in the middle of both
• 2:10:57
  so the wellness medical kind of because those individuals are a lot like crystal myself that are
• 2:11:03
  very curious and also live very optimal and regimen in their everyday life so these 35 habit
• 2:11:11
  stocks we don't like to stray too far from what we do at home so if we're gonna travel we need to
• 2:11:18
  make sure that where we travel they're going to allow us to do those things and also learn
• 2:11:24
  something new and same with our clients as well so it's a matter of these properties kind of
• 2:11:32
  having this competitive edge if you will and offering new and cutting edge services to the travelers
• 2:11:43
  because that's where people are they're curious but if they don't have the time in their everyday
• 2:11:47
  life to seek out hey I don't know much about transcendental meditation or I don't know much about
• 2:11:53
  breathwork we're here to help you find the properties that are going to allow you to learn about
• 2:11:58
  those things that you can bring into your everyday life and start implementing it all the time
• 2:12:04
  at home or I'm going to help you find an individual or a specialist in your city that's going to
• 2:12:09
  allow you to keep doing that so where would you what's like where would you send somebody it's not
• 2:12:14
  like you're sending them to like even like a regular nice luxury resort like you mentioned I mean
• 2:12:20
  it depends on what their goals are and that's where a kind of this whole travel match making comes
• 2:12:25
  into play for us and we're really listening closely is it optimal sleep you're after is it stress
• 2:12:31
  management is it you're trying to gain more muscle mass like it depends on what their goals are
• 2:12:39
  and then we align them with the property it could be very clinical-based diagnostic properties
• 2:12:44
  which I'm a huge fan of a couple that are I mean some new ones recently launched one in particular
• 2:12:52
  shot wellness in Mexico oh my gosh big big fan of that but some people aren't individuals aren't
• 2:12:59
  ready for that and they need something that's a little bit more soft super well if you will
• 2:13:04
  and then you know like we'll maybe send them to a property like that because we need to meet them
• 2:13:08
  exactly where they're at we don't want to intimidate them and we don't want to run them off by
• 2:13:13
  you know this is too what's the one that your family likes that's the
• 2:13:19
  no they go to India oh wow is it another and Nanda I don't actually know what it's called but it's
• 2:13:27
  like in Kerala and my mother is a huge like believer in Indian medicine and like I've heard her
• 2:13:35
  and stuff like that so what she does is like usually for her optimal health she actually feels
• 2:13:40
  physically sick when she doesn't do it as often as she should so like every six months with
• 2:13:45
  ideally she would love to do is go to this resort in India and it's like a basically three week
• 2:13:52
  like a vegan program they do like like four body like four person massage on you with like the
• 2:13:59
  oils and like the avert massage whatever they have massage it's pretty good yeah four people are
• 2:14:08
  massage yeah like two to four people and then they like plan your like meals by your like
• 2:14:20
  goshas or whatever they're called and like it's like this whole like holistic treatment and you go
• 2:14:26
  there with real issues it's really a treatment like retreat right like it's like it's not really
• 2:14:31
  just like a resort yeah it's there's no it's like vegan there's no alcohol there's like nothing it's
• 2:14:37
  like very like treatment first yeah and she loves that like there are others that are more like
• 2:14:44
  like more luxurious less treatment more retreat more spa whatever but she likes like the intense
• 2:14:51
  ones because she's like the the way she feels in three weeks she comes back younger slimmer just like
• 2:14:57
  she's got like back problems and she doesn't have any pain when she comes back I mean often eight people
• 2:15:02
  eight hands massage yeah yeah yeah thank you so much that you have to do this I'm like I cannot
• 2:15:08
  leave for three weeks so yeah that's absolutely and I mean if you look at all of these properties now
• 2:15:17
  I mean everybody's adding a wellness can like some component to their offerings and the ones
• 2:15:24
  that are more clinical base you know are are more you know like can be intimidating to individuals
• 2:15:31
  but it's really listening to our clients and meeting them where they are at their journey and what
• 2:15:37
  their goals are and it may start with the soft and fluffy the four person massages and then you
• 2:15:43
  graduate to yeah or eight or how many people say eight hands four people yeah I've got a whole team yeah
• 2:15:50
  everyone's just for you yeah a big guy they each take a quadriple yeah well between that and the
• 2:15:58
  breath work and yoga all day and obviously and feed and eating super clean yeah you're gonna feel
• 2:16:03
  very these dogs and great and I mean from that the hope is that you bring it into your everyday life
• 2:16:09
  like I was saying implementing it back into your life yeah not running away from what your
• 2:16:14
  issues are and feeling more optimal at home because that's what my dad taught me at a very young age
• 2:16:21
  and you incorporate everything you learn yeah also people I mean like so what the people you're working
• 2:16:27
  with they want to live a long time because they have they've been you know financially successful a
• 2:16:33
  lot of different measures of success but they've been financially successful and they want to live
• 2:16:36
  a very long time so it's always interesting to look at people to have a lot of reasons to live
• 2:16:42
  a very long time and what they're trying to do or what they're trying to incorporate it into their
• 2:16:45
  into their lifestyle and that's what they're doing when they go to these retreats when they when
• 2:16:49
  they speak to both of you and that one as as as we know the what people look at as success changes
• 2:16:57
  a very yeah yeah every now actually every day you know what I thought was important I was 18
• 2:17:01
  turning pro making yeah X amount of money was completely different than I was 28 now married with
• 2:17:06
  a young kid completely different 38 when I retired and three kids and now almost 50 48 you know
• 2:17:15
  at 48 completely different again yeah and your family and everything and so it just you see that
• 2:17:20
  you people evolve and you really don't see a lot of rich people smoking that's yeah sure yeah
• 2:17:26
  it's a pattern we've been noticing the more we like talk to people the more we're realizing the
• 2:17:30
  more success someone has had it's like the more they have to look for they're so into like
• 2:17:36
  the wellness all of a sudden you know what I'm saying the guy who's reverse yeah
• 2:17:40
  versing his age and he's doing a whole bunch of crazy stuff to figure out like two million bucks
• 2:17:44
  years something yeah yeah he's not streaming yeah but what do you what he almost looks younger than me
• 2:17:52
  almost not quite though not quite what are the some of the the most interesting
• 2:18:01
  new or things that maybe people don't know about that I'm ultra wealthy I want to include this
• 2:18:08
  in my life or I want to go to a retreat that's doing this thing what is something that I would be
• 2:18:13
  asking for you probably do a lot of this stuff already but you you're on like the cutting edge of
• 2:18:20
  yeah I mean things that they're like I want to level up and I want to try something yeah I want
• 2:18:24
  to try something what's new what's new for rich people the world is your oyster it was a super
• 2:18:31
  well off you know I mean I would say what are they dealing with in terms of their issues again
• 2:18:39
  because there's endless options I mean especially when you have no budget
• 2:18:45
  but people people are interested in you know peptides yeah stem cell and then but that's
• 2:18:52
  getting very clinical stem cells is what is a Panama the capital of Mexico too yeah and it's huge
• 2:19:00
  it's the rage so we have a lot of interest there but that's very clinical that can be very
• 2:19:05
  scary to people but I mean my gosh you know like really in terms of basic things it's I don't know
• 2:19:16
  I mean like would you say that there's some crazy cutting edge things that we push there's cutting
• 2:19:22
  edge up I'm not comfortable pushing it because there's no research or limited research we will
• 2:19:28
  send clients to properties certainly that the doctors and the medical staff if they're interested
• 2:19:33
  in that I feel confident in them sharing that with that with those individuals but am I going to
• 2:19:39
  push that I'm not going to recommend something and I'm she's in the same boat that is like super
• 2:19:44
  cutting edge there's limited data behind it yeah limited research and it's well this study showed
• 2:19:51
  that while I can show you study that also shows this I mean it's so what are the things that what are
• 2:19:56
  the things that are widely accepted by the scientific community that maybe not the average person
• 2:20:02
  is doing right now something you would be on yeah what do you feel comfortable actually
• 2:20:06
  recommending outside of the stuff that like you have your daily routine but obviously there's
• 2:20:11
  things that you cannot include your daily routine just because of the cost of the machine or the
• 2:20:15
  I don't know okay okay yeah yeah no I like this one so I would say the wearables I mean the CGM
• 2:20:21
  is a cost yeah because insurance doesn't cover it and that's something fascinating because you
• 2:20:28
  were getting real-time 24-7 data on your system through a filament you like put it in and it
• 2:20:34
  doesn't hurt I love biomass I think that's something that every individual should have in their home
• 2:20:41
  a PEMPF MAT so it's basically like an energy charge it's got crystals in it there's all
• 2:20:47
  different ones on the market there's some that are more powerful and more intense it's heat therapy
• 2:20:52
  and crystals that go through helps with joint pain energy lowering cortisol I sit on my
• 2:20:58
  all the time like when I'm doing my deep work computer work anything like that I usually lay on it
• 2:21:04
  and sandwich myself like a burrito before I get into the infrared sauna so I have a long full
• 2:21:10
  body one and then a short like mini one so that's you know an expense cold tubs or an expense
• 2:21:18
  infrared sonnas and we've got one that is a dual chamber so it goes traditional to infrared
• 2:21:24
  then we also have a very cutting edge so now you're making me reveal all our expensive stuff but
• 2:21:29
  but that's cool that's the people want to learn about it so we have this really incredible tub and
• 2:21:36
  it's like a dual chamber and it's outside it's pretty massive so it's got hot tub and a cold tub
• 2:21:42
  so you can flip flap from both sides and actually when you're immersed in the water the studies show
• 2:21:48
  and as I look at my wearables you get more of an intense shock to the system from the heat
• 2:21:54
  shock therapy and your body can't sweat and so it's just like that shock is really intense
• 2:22:06
  and the goal with cold shock therapy is to grow your brown fat so now I'm going to get really
• 2:22:11
  nerdy and scientific on you yes so the brown fat we are all born with and it's behind your neck
• 2:22:17
  and in your clavicle bone and it is your most mitochondrial dense tissue and it is what
• 2:22:25
  provides energy and speeds up your metabolism and the as we age we lose it but the only thing
• 2:22:34
  and the only way to grow it is through cold shock therapy and so all this study has been
• 2:22:41
  done by Dr. Susanna Sober who is kind of interviewer men's right hand gal and she is incredible
• 2:22:47
  that's how I got certified as a thermos instructor and he coined the term the sobered principle
• 2:22:53
  and the point is is that we should all end on cold be like when we end our contrast therapy
• 2:23:00
  so individuals will go from heat to cold and be like ah I want to end in a hot shower or back in
• 2:23:08
  the sauna you're defeating the whole purpose of why you put yourself through that torture
• 2:23:14
  because yes you want that shivering effect that thermogenesis that your body is trying to take
• 2:23:21
  that heat and like oh my god I'm shivering I'm cold and that is how we grow that brown fat
• 2:23:26
  that's how we turn all of our energies on and you increase your metabolism and all those things
• 2:23:31
  so I always say to individuals you always need to end on the cold so getting back to our little
• 2:23:38
  for our high-end products at home we have this dual chamber outside and in the winter you're in
• 2:23:45
  the hot and then the cold and in the cold and you're in out in nature you do a little grounding
• 2:23:52
  get the cold air yeah see your eyes in the sun then you go into the gym you're strength training
• 2:23:57
  on well man you're ready for a super well day ahead I'm laughing because she the cold is her
• 2:24:06
  enemy so I mean like that's actually super interesting so when you start to dabble in this stuff
• 2:24:13
  obviously there's unlimited levels but I think that you just have to start somewhere and we spoke
• 2:24:17
  about a whole bunch of sort of morning routines spoke about like health hacks spoke about machines
• 2:24:25
  some of them are going to be outside people's price range that's fine but know all the stuff that's
• 2:24:29
  out there and like all technology eventually is going to be this you know this is going to be
• 2:24:34
  very commoditized at some point so it's actually very interesting to see where it is right now and
• 2:24:37
  then five years it's going to be everybody can go buy it on Amazon on prime on prime day right
• 2:24:42
  we're just getting there what out of all the different diets because I have my own diet that I
• 2:24:51
  eat and obviously I'm sure you will have opinions of diets coming from professional sports background
• 2:24:55
  where trainers are probably super you know they're very regimented to your own sort of discovery
• 2:25:02
  and how it impacts your body and what you eat you see the results with all your wearable
• 2:25:05
  something real quick yeah finish your question it's a nutrition plan it's not a diet
• 2:25:10
  diets or fats is that how is that how they nutrition okay yes nutrition point yes
• 2:25:16
  good that he knows yes works yes so good mr. super well thank you what do you eat what's what
• 2:25:22
  because there's so many different kinds of nutrition right so you have what let's even name
• 2:25:28
  them you have like you can start I mean I all I would say is yeah some people like me some people
• 2:25:34
  don't like me yeah some people like fish so we don't like fish some people like chicken they're like
• 2:25:37
  chicken take the stuff that you are willing to eat and then build your plan around that so I mean
• 2:25:45
  getting back to the glucose monitor yeah that is a huge dictator of my body and I'm not obsessed
• 2:25:53
  over it but I have learned so much value and knowledge on what my bio individual body needs
• 2:26:01
  and the the goal is to try to stay as level with your glucose I mean obviously you're gonna have
• 2:26:05
  spikes every time you eat as you should but looking at that savory breakfast first thing in the
• 2:26:12
  morning no sugar but carbs are okay carbs are okay you need carbs for energy healthy carbs because
• 2:26:19
  you know you understand I'm asking that because some people do no carbs that's crazy to me but
• 2:26:23
  then they feel and then they feel terrible and also females for hormones you're not gonna have a
• 2:26:30
  period if you do that like there are so many no no's for that and like healthy carbs are we are
• 2:26:37
  friends we need those and getting back to like the tools that I have in place for metabolic flexibility
• 2:26:42
  and I breathe into this system every morning to look at where is my fat in my carbon I kind of
• 2:26:47
  know and sometimes throughout the day if I'm like I need more carbs that is the fuel that is
• 2:26:52
  something that we need to give our body like sweet potatoes brown rice quinoa whatever your
• 2:26:57
  system likes and and what you enjoy but protein forwards savory breakfast no sweets you know
• 2:27:04
  first thing in the morning I've learned that coffee is my enemy caffeine that was a big awakening
• 2:27:12
  for me I would have a 30-point jump in my glucose no sugar there's a big renaissance right now with
• 2:27:19
  people saying oh coffee's bad for you and it depends on who you talk to I know I've never heard
• 2:27:23
  that I like coffee yeah she but to her data says that her it spikes her CGM so she doesn't
• 2:27:29
  agree but you know why did that is is because I'm a high energy individual where I already have like
• 2:27:36
  just a lot of cortisol adrenaline going in my system first thing in the morning that's just my
• 2:27:42
  own body's makeup and so by adding the caffeine it just spikes my cortisol my adrenaline that much
• 2:27:49
  more which dumps into your glucose so then your glucose spikes it and I had no clue and I was not
• 2:27:56
  a big coffee trigger I'd have one cup in the morning and it still would do that soon as I switched
• 2:28:01
  to matcha then I still do my creatine 5 milligrams which is so vitally important for females for
• 2:28:07
  bone muscle growth everything so I dump that in and everything stays flat like just so balanced
• 2:28:15
  if I work out in the gym too hard it'll spike my glucose because I mean there's so much to that
• 2:28:21
  but getting back to your question about food and nutrition soon as I finished training I have a
• 2:28:27
  massive shake it is so calorie dense 12 ingredient protein milkshake is what I call it
• 2:28:33
  zen basil seeds I mean I've got tons of fiber prebiotics two different kinds of protein formulas
• 2:28:42
  another I mean like bone broth there's so much I've got frozen zucchini slice zucchini as a
• 2:28:49
  creaminess to it it's so thick I eat it with a spoon it's like a Wendy's milkshake it is my
• 2:28:54
  pride and joy tons of cinnamon for inflammation I mean I mean it's just and then I spice it up
• 2:29:00
  depending on the season sometimes I'll peppermint if it's winter and I'll add a little mocha flavor to
• 2:29:06
  it and the fall I mean pumpkin spice and then always Brazil nuts for the selenium for thyroid
• 2:29:14
  support three or four a day and then you know like lunch micro greens always I add micro greens to
• 2:29:22
  everything throughout the day I mix it with my eggs or always a base with roasted root vegetables
• 2:29:28
  salmon I do in the air fryer chicken he grills steak we vary our protein it's very clean it's very
• 2:29:36
  basic throughout the day and I'm not opposed to some dark chocolate a little little little
• 2:29:42
  little dark chocolate and yeah what else do we 80 20 yeah it's not perfect all the time like I just
• 2:29:50
  so what about when you go out right another part of sorry everybody and by the way everybody's
• 2:29:56
  different everybody's pallets different everybody's systems different so you could have figured
• 2:30:01
  what works for you it's not but you have here but you do have here yeah so everyone's systems
• 2:30:05
  different you do have like your best practices yeah that I mean you know what works for you and then
• 2:30:12
  you try to like you talk about they're eating the rainbow and how tight you are with yours and
• 2:30:16
  it's very bland I was super bland and it just you had slowly add something new try something new
• 2:30:23
  and ultimately your palate as you get older it starts to change and start like in different foods
• 2:30:28
  and yeah I'm very proud of your growth but eating the rainbow development I've had the
• 2:30:34
  diversification I've had in my my dinner plate so good the end of all you see on the plate is
• 2:30:43
  like a pyramid of vegetables but he just stands on one side just a few roasted vegetables
• 2:30:50
  everyone's on a journey here like when I eat roasted vegetables I'm like I it's so good olive oil
• 2:30:59
  garlic Brussels sprouts I know but I've been getting better yeah I've been getting better
• 2:31:05
  that's just my disapproving look yeah yeah there's something yeah I don't know but there's
• 2:31:13
  so good for your side aren't you eating them no it's not everyone you still is make them well right
• 2:31:19
  like growing up we didn't all eat vegetables done deliciously like the way we would prepare them
• 2:31:25
  now so like you know like a lot of times even go to like a restaurant or a wedding or something and
• 2:31:30
  they'll have like like blanched boiled vegetables and you're like why would you ever make them like
• 2:31:34
  that you're losing all the nutritional value yeah and that's what kids used to eat like boiled broccoli
• 2:31:40
  like why would you yeah teacher children that but a lot of parents still do because you think it's
• 2:31:45
  still good and that's when I think people grow up with like this distaste for vegetables or whatever
• 2:31:52
  but like what Chris was referring to was like some people swear by like being vegan they're like
• 2:31:57
  oh not eating animal protein makes me feel my best some people are like if I ate that way I would
• 2:32:04
  you know feel horrible yeah so it really is individual and it depends on you know and I think
• 2:32:10
  we really listen to our clients and again meet them where they're at if they are plant-based then
• 2:32:16
  we will align them with properties and I'm not against that it's just I know what works for my
• 2:32:22
  system I think he knows what works for his system and it's about being optimal I tried plant-based
• 2:32:29
  and my body hated it hated it I lost my period I mean I just didn't I lost muscle mass
• 2:32:37
  and at 47 I am all about like let's store up as much muscle as possible because I know I'm
• 2:32:44
  going to be losing it rapidly and there's so many things that I try to do as a female at this age
• 2:32:51
  where I site store that up in that bank because it's going to help with osteoporosis and all
• 2:32:56
  these things as I continue the age and head into metaphors so protein is very important for me but
• 2:33:03
  now there's also tests that everyone can do when you see what kind of is the optimal food groups
• 2:33:08
  for your yeah I'm saying this because I've done all these things yeah and I found them to be hugely
• 2:33:13
  helpful yeah and that really restructured the way I eat and it did make me feel a lot better yeah
• 2:33:20
  and it's interesting even like with the CGM I have been this guinea pig and and hacked all these
• 2:33:26
  different food like that food order I guess of how you eat things so I would have like an apple
• 2:33:34
  and then I would have an apple after I had some nuts and the change of the sugar because when
• 2:33:40
  you have that in your system first as a layer before you had that sugar spike it flattens the
• 2:33:47
  but if you have the apple and the sugar spike first thing that hits the gut it spikes or walking
• 2:33:52
  after meals we walk usually after every meal at least 10 or 20 minutes or move the body and it's
• 2:33:58
  crazy because even like when we're flying if I have a meal and I'm like oh my gosh I can't move my
• 2:34:03
  body even if I'm sitting there and I do calf raises sitting in the seat because your calf actually
• 2:34:08
  has the biggest dumper for glucose it's crazy if you just do calf raises and I can lower my glucose
• 2:34:15
  just by doing that it's like all these little hacks it's so interesting so the goal is like
• 2:34:27
  ultimately out of all these diets to take away is manage glucose manage glucose and that's really
• 2:34:32
  gonna make you feel the best I think so I mean that's where I have seen the biggest change and shift
• 2:34:38
  in my own health and being optimal when I started really tracking that level and the spikes
• 2:34:45
  and so forth and then looping it through my other wearables the loop and the aura and looking at
• 2:34:50
  HRV heart rate variability sleep stress management how I work out and it all plays into each other
• 2:35:00
  and this world of technology and wearables is growing every day and all these sensors that are
• 2:35:06
  coming out like this is just the beginning of it it's just I actually had sorry I had the founder
• 2:35:12
  of who bought and I was chatting with him yes yes and he was saying that he can look at somebody's
• 2:35:18
  sleep score is different kinds of sleep right look at somebody's sleep score and from that sleep
• 2:35:24
  score you can tell them if they have a happy marriage happy relationship how much money they make
• 2:35:28
  like it's what he correlates your sleep score to every you must be a billionaire billionaire
• 2:35:34
  oh well she shouldn't but he says this is an indicator so we can look at a sleep score and basically
• 2:35:42
  see how chaotic someone's life is central nervous system yeah and the respiratory it's fascinating
• 2:35:51
  yeah you guys are billionaires I don't know my sleep score is I actually have to get a loop I
• 2:35:55
  haven't I don't have one it's she's wearing it yeah no it looks the same it's it's like one of
• 2:36:02
  the fast actually whoop is a wild story because I think they're multi billion dollar company now
• 2:36:07
  and it's one of the only companies that has competed with Apple and all the other wearables that
• 2:36:12
  came from these huge tech companies yeah they actually you know Justin Thomas was wearing it
• 2:36:17
  the year he came back in fidget championship and won and they showed his heart rate
• 2:36:22
  when he had to make a pot to you know to take the lead in his heart rate you could see his heart
• 2:36:28
  rate and it just he was so calm yeah in this pressure pack moment it was controlled his emotions
• 2:36:35
  controlled himself made this pot you could just see his heart rate and that's where I was telling you
• 2:36:39
  when I get so when I'm in the sauna it naturally really taxes your system and your sympathetic
• 2:36:47
  nervous system that fight or flight is like DM it's hot in here especially when you've gotten to
• 2:36:51
  like 30 minutes and 150 degree temperature and then and I won't it and if I test the boundaries
• 2:36:57
  and I won't do my breath work and I'll just challenge myself and I'll do like an arm workout in
• 2:37:01
  there my body's like what doing soon as I go into the cold tub it's really going crazy because
• 2:37:07
  I just like to check and like see how far can I test this and then really get it spiked up and
• 2:37:13
  then soon as I do my breath work like I love like a 478 very simple deep from the diaphragm
• 2:37:20
  bringing it up holding it for seven seconds and a huge exhale with a big like release
• 2:37:27
  within a minute I can take it from over 130 down to 55 and I watch that and that is crazy and then
• 2:37:36
  I look at the glucose and how it just goes down to as he was saying that's the central nervous system
• 2:37:43
  in a minute how I change that one minute versus
• 2:37:48
  jeez do I need a pill to control that like that is the power of the mind
• 2:37:53
  and so much of kind of getting back to discipline the discipline that you have
• 2:37:59
  yeah discipline but also you know like okay I have these genes for cancer cells in my body
• 2:38:06
  and if we live in this stress body and and I'm constantly lighting up my central nervous system
• 2:38:13
  what is that going to do those free radicals that's going to set everything on fire in my body
• 2:38:18
  and if you want to talk and get really nerdy about epigenetics that's the environment that we're
• 2:38:23
  putting ourselves in and getting back to like super well living and my whole mission in my own
• 2:38:30
  and my for my children and for individuals in my community is to teach them ways of calming
• 2:38:37
  that system so we keep all that at bay because it's the environment we're living in and I am
• 2:38:43
  doing everything in my power to calm the fire of my cells in my body and I'm teaching that to my
• 2:38:52
  children and and that's powerful I don't have it all figured out I mean I don't know what the
• 2:38:57
  future holds for my body but I do firmly believe that by looking at my system and how I can
• 2:39:05
  keep that all at bay and calm that from within I'm doing a good job and I'm proud of that
• 2:39:12
  and I love to share it I love to share it with my children and and like I said it's protective
• 2:39:17
  body armor that's basically free I think it's important because I think that the way that most
• 2:39:23
  people's lives are structured like you mentioned you don't know what the future is but I can
• 2:39:27
  guarantee you the way that the average person lives their life it's definitely not going to be
• 2:39:33
  it's definitely not going to help yeah it's going to hurt yes yeah like I was just talking to
• 2:39:39
  Gal last night a good friend of ours at dinner and she doesn't have any family history of cancer
• 2:39:44
  but she talked about the environment she grew up in as a child and it was a very toxic environment
• 2:39:52
  her parents argued and had a very tumultuous marriage and she had cancer at a very young age I'm
• 2:40:00
  not going to talk about all the details her privacy but she firmly believes it was the environment
• 2:40:06
  she grew up in and you know I mean like I know some people don't believe in all of that but
• 2:40:13
  I'm a firm believer in it and I'm mindful of what I still do in terms of Western medicine
• 2:40:20
  and I get colonoscis every year and every single year I get polyps that are precancerous had I
• 2:40:27
  not started doing that when I was 30 I think 34 when I started doing it I would for sure have
• 2:40:33
  colon cancer I wouldn't even be here so yeah there is a place for what Western medicine but
• 2:40:39
  I'm mindful of doing those things in practice with the other things those holistic healing
• 2:40:45
  modalities in my tool belt that are keeping all of those things at bay and you know I mean
• 2:40:50
  I get mammograms and all those things from the breast cancer side of things so it's just
• 2:40:56
  you know like you really have to marry both sides of things and I'm off after you all the time
• 2:41:02
  about during the two you get a colonoscis. I did yeah last last year yeah yeah last like four pounds
• 2:41:09
  was good actually I was in the middle of 75 arc oh my god I had two yeah you really dropped
• 2:41:17
  I was in the middle of 75 hard so I you know you got to do what you got to do the day before
• 2:41:22
  so I did my walk started my protocol went in woke up I did a walk then I did my workout late
• 2:41:30
  just like it was it was a production trying to fit it all in but I did yeah you have to be yeah
• 2:41:37
  I think that's the whole point I didn't realize how into this you were go like I knew you were
• 2:41:42
  into it I know you were this into it I didn't know you had this whole routine set up but yeah
• 2:41:48
  but you have a reason that's why so the issue is when I don't have a history of of cancer in my family
• 2:41:54
  but then and I I do believe that being stressed out all the time and I do believe that you know
• 2:42:01
  your cortisol being through the roof all the time probably doesn't help your chances of not
• 2:42:05
  getting cancer so I think the people who don't have history are probably the most susceptible
• 2:42:12
  because they're going to be blindsided by it yeah and the interesting thing is this friend of mine
• 2:42:17
  that we were with last night for dinner who had this cancer when she had all of her blood work done
• 2:42:24
  when they found the cancer the doctor pulled her aside and said hey are you doing something really
• 2:42:29
  traumatic in your life most recently because your cortisol is through the roof and she was like
• 2:42:35
  no like this is my state I actually this is normal and then I think they went back into years of
• 2:42:42
  previous blood work and they looked at her cortisol for years and years she had been living in
• 2:42:46
  that state so she didn't know any different and I in talking to her I think that she grew up
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  always just in that hyper cortisol sympathetic nervous fighter flight on fire all the time fueling
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  that and I believe you know in society now we're just living in this place and that's why we're
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  seeing it pop up more and more and you know I'm not saying that's the end all be all and the reason
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  for it all but I do think that it exacerbates the situation and speeds up the process like I look
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  at my mom like when my dad had a stroke she didn't have any cancer but after four months of
• 2:43:27
  taking care of him and all the stress all of a sudden she got breast cancer like out of the blue
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  and then she got it again as he got sicker and sicker and was in and out of hospice and so forth
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  two times so yeah I mean it's it I am very passionate about it and as I keep saying I look at it like
• 2:43:46
  a protective body armor I put on myself and knowledge is power and I do it for myself for my
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  family for our kids and if individuals are curious I'm here to be a guide and I really don't you
• 2:44:00
  know I look at this as a gift that maybe God put in my world of an imperfect moment of burnout
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  where it really smacked me in the face and until you go through that hardship I never would be in
• 2:44:16
  this place sitting on this couch talking about this had 2011 not happened to me I would have been
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  floating through life probably playing golf tennis pickleball you know like writing horses
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  things that I love to do but after that happened to me and when I started well inspired travels and
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  all that I have gone through my life I feel like it would be a disservice to who I am as an individual
• 2:44:40
  if I was not here sharing my story and it is my mission and like everything that I'm passionate about
• 2:44:48
  in serving people and I'm excited about it because I'm excited for you I can see that yeah
• 2:44:57
  very proud of her taking it to the next level she's leveled up oh yes looking now you both
• 2:45:03
  leveled up you both leveled up what are we what are we not talk about I don't know we've been
• 2:45:09
  going for about three hours we live in Miami which is a city full of people that are now
• 2:45:20
  obsessed by hacking and wellness and all these things every single person with me does like
• 2:45:24
  oh my son I come over for cold winter song and this and that and all these things peptides yeah
• 2:45:30
  and no one has ever explained it in the way that actually made me want to try it like you have
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  because I would just always look at them and I'd be like you being woohoo and weird and this is not
• 2:45:42
  for me you guys are all too like I think is a lot of it is trendy yeah yeah and every time something
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  is too trendy I get very turned off yeah it's like you know before I move to Miami I was like
• 2:45:51
  into astrology now I'm just like oh my god this is crazy because everyone here thinks they're like
• 2:45:55
  you know it's like weird so people have a way of turning you off things when they're too
• 2:46:01
  into it and they can't explain why they're into it right that's the thing you do such a beautiful
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  job explaining the reasoning behind everything and I'm like oh I could try this this I can this
• 2:46:13
  makes sense I understand why now you know so thank you for that I really appreciate that means a
• 2:46:19
  lot to me and and that's really my intention is to not overwhelm individuals tell my story
• 2:46:27
  and really the hardship of it that was the weakest moment of my life and a scary time I'm not
• 2:46:34
  proud of it but hey you know what it's it's a reason to share it with somebody like you because
• 2:46:41
  it's hopefully will help you understand like here the possible benefits of meeting you where you're
• 2:46:48
  at with what you're going through and it all is so it interwoven and I appreciate that because I
• 2:46:55
  try to make it digestible with that intimidating yes yes yes so it's yeah I'm always here for
• 2:47:04
  questions and I love I mean I've got books upon books and well I will definitely be hitting you
• 2:47:10
  on okay so so this is very important though so where should so still the what did we go into
• 2:47:15
  everything that you wanted to go into I think we went through a lot we did we went through a lot
• 2:47:19
  a lot it's very diverse it was I liked it so I liked it I mean well the digital courses are
• 2:47:26
  going to be coming out so where do you want to send people so where should people find first
• 2:47:30
  about also yet the social so yeah you're good at that if you want to go so for her stuff
• 2:47:37
  well inspired travels dot com Lauren underscore pronger on instagram that's probably the best place
• 2:47:44
  to find a lot of the information is on instagram linked in uh tick tock because for the for
• 2:47:54
  the under generation this 47-year-old mom's trying to be cool and tick tock your content on
• 2:48:00
  Instagram is good though you should put it on tick tock yeah yeah yeah and then my stuff
• 2:48:05
  chrispronger dot com I got my speaking platform talk about a lot of stuff that I've done
• 2:48:10
  Instagram at chrispronger twitter at the chrispronger yes opposite at the chrispronger is uh
• 2:48:19
  Instagram at chrispronger's twitter and I'll say go and then uh there's all goes in the show now
• 2:48:26
  so like you know yeah same like then newsletter she's got newsletter she's gonna be doing so
• 2:48:32
  people want to sign up on well inspired travels there's a form yeah but takes you to my landing
• 2:48:39
  page her landing page and on there you can sign up for newsletter and so all this stuff she's
• 2:48:44
  going to be geeking out with all these and then the digital course is coming out in january
• 2:48:49
  so it'll be phase one which is kickstart super well and then it's going to be super well glow up
• 2:48:54
  this phase two and then it's going to be super well superstar mastery so it gradually get from
• 2:49:02
  phase one to phase two because so this is really taking all the stuff that all of these the
• 2:49:07
  high net worth ultra high net worth yes are paying for on these trips right and then you're
• 2:49:12
  turning it into courses people can learn how to do and breaking it down and very simplified yeah
• 2:49:16
  if I got steps to take and they're ever doing yes without the expense like I have hacks that
• 2:49:25
  hey you don't want to go spend eight thousand dollars on a cold tub I'm going to give you a
• 2:49:28
  bazillion other ways to do it um yeah so it's kind of the different phases but starting with phase
• 2:49:36
  one and um I'll go through the eight pillars in each one of the digital courses so it's like well
• 2:49:43
  aging nourishing nutrition optimal sleep um nature connection I mean there's all the different
• 2:49:51
  and then I kind of hacks strategies tips for each one yep personal story so I always start with
• 2:49:56
  a personal story which you've heard a lot of them and I'm very open about hear the struggles
• 2:50:03
  so it makes sense because that's the connection you hear yeah as you were saying yeah and as you
• 2:50:09
  were saying which means so much to me because that's feedback I want to hear is I get what you're
• 2:50:16
  saying now I really make that connection because I'm not here just spitting stuff out of my mouth
• 2:50:23
  because I'm like oh I do this and I feel awesome that doesn't you know good yeah you're gonna be like
• 2:50:28
  yeah don't okay turn you off like move on to the next thing so it's my personal stories with
• 2:50:34
  each one of the pillars and then it's usually a client's experience and where I've met them in
• 2:50:40
  their journey and how I've helped them optimize um and then I go through usually three to five
• 2:50:46
  lessons in each one of the pillars and those are whether it's a breathwork a way to calm the system
• 2:50:54
  or a simple technique you know or a recipe um journaling it's it's always makes sense and
• 2:51:01
  it all loops through and they actually all interconnect all eight so that you're feeling
• 2:51:06
  incredible bio rhythm through all of it I love that all Chris I also want to give you a I'm
• 2:51:12
  actually super curious so where is where is your content going because I know you're going to
• 2:51:16
  start a podcast together but where are you focusing on right now so you are you doing your own
• 2:51:22
  thing as well like what's the content strategy speaking platform just trying to help people level
• 2:51:27
  up and serve people in the manner with which whether it's people looking to create culture
• 2:51:35
  be better leaders take that part of their life to the next level or just walk through my journey
• 2:51:42
  people you know they see the end they see the championships and the trophies and all the stuff
• 2:51:47
  over here but they forget all the stuff we talked about earlier on the bad times the DUI and
• 2:51:54
  the jail and all the other stuff that we talk about and not really knowing who I was and fighting
• 2:51:58
  against the system and caving under the pressure of being a hydrophic and not living up your
• 2:52:03
  potential and being booed at at home and all these things that went on in my early career and
• 2:52:08
  just realizing how I needed to and what I needed to do to kind of dig myself out of that and
• 2:52:14
  and get the most out of my talent and we all have decision decisions and choices to make
• 2:52:21
  are you what do you want to sacrifice what are you willing to do to be successful and
• 2:52:25
  we all are put to the test and finding that inner character and developing the character to take
• 2:52:33
  yourself to that next level your podcast is going to be good okay so I always ask this at the
• 2:52:41
  end I think it's I think it's great and you both have to answer from your own perspective so
• 2:52:46
  it's not it's not that crazy a question there's been a softball interview I'm not going to I'm not
• 2:52:54
  going to just like throw a nice cream cone on the way home no no you've been you've both been
• 2:53:02
  amazing first of all thank you because you went deep in everything and I think that's the audience
• 2:53:07
  got like too very useful two very two very useful sort of like streams of content and sort of
• 2:53:12
  too very useful lies that you sort of unpack in front of us so I appreciate you being so personal
• 2:53:18
  about it it's not easy to go into this the origin story behind every the real origin story not
• 2:53:24
  the not the BS origin story the real reasons is to why you both are where you are today
• 2:53:30
  um but the the best part about where you're at now is you can look back and you know
• 2:53:35
  on hindsight's 2020 and you wish you did this thing that thing differently or maybe you don't
• 2:53:39
  because maybe it made you who you are but if you could go back and you tell your younger self one
• 2:53:43
  thing both of you each what would that thing be I would say don't take life so serious um don't be
• 2:53:53
  so hard on myself and don't care so much about what other people think um I think I'm a perfectionist
• 2:54:02
  at fault and um I think I've always been so hard on myself and I think I've always cared as a
• 2:54:10
  female about what other people think and you know and I'm at this phase in life where
• 2:54:19
  I am so free and so excited to share all the imperfections as I was telling you all like I've
• 2:54:26
  never I never have held that back and not shared it but now I feel like it really
• 2:54:34
  gives a lot of credibility to my journey and there's a lot of power in that and I love
• 2:54:43
  being an individual that's saying I'm the furthest thing from perfect and hearing from others when
• 2:54:51
  they hear that journey and they're sharing like oh my gosh I love that you're letting your
• 2:54:58
  guard down and then they open up and provide so much to me that also gives me great values so
• 2:55:06
  I guess that's three things so I got an F for that three things are fine yes that's it
• 2:55:12
  I would say trust yourself you know you're you're there for a reason too often I think early on
• 2:55:19
  I was being told who to be how to act what to do and that's what I was pushing against that's
• 2:55:27
  what I was unwilling to buy into I you know I would steer into it and steer out of it and just
• 2:55:36
  I think it stunted my growth and didn't allow me to make the mistakes early on that I needed to make
• 2:55:42
  to become now who I am years later and you know there's obviously you know the financial stuff and
• 2:55:51
  there's all kinds of mistakes we make that what I know now I wish I wouldn't hold back then
• 2:55:56
  maybe I wouldn't be a billionaire maybe you never know you know like but but it all every you know
• 2:56:01
  I'm a firm believer everything happens for a reason I tell my kids this all the time stop looking
• 2:56:06
  in the rear-view mirror you're going this way you know don't worry about what's back there you
• 2:56:11
  got to worry about use the lessons you learned implement those into your life today and in the
• 2:56:16
  future and continue to grow that's why it's in the rear-view mirror it's it's a life lesson but
• 2:56:22
  it's not who you are and it's not it's what's helped you become who you are not who you are
• 2:56:29
  and too often I was pushing against that all the time and you know it's taken you know I don't
• 2:56:37
  really give a shit what people think but when you're young now well when you're young you kind of
• 2:56:43
  get steered directions and you get told how to do that act oh you can't say that you can't do this
• 2:56:48
  you know what I'm young like when am I supposed to make the mistakes you know like I tell her about
• 2:56:53
  orchids I'm like that was the time for them to make these mistakes they're not really
• 2:56:58
  gonna do too much you know the older you get the bigger the mistakes and you have to learn those
• 2:57:03
  are actually I think that's why I actually love the the concept of not having to not having to
• 2:57:10
  you know like people ask well if you could redo one thing or do something differently and I
• 2:57:15
  think the answer is always no because that's what's helped form who you are yeah and and create your
• 2:57:22
  character and you resolve and they're good in the bad and the makeup of who you are and you know
• 2:57:29
  we talk about culture and locker rooms only thinks it's not all good there's bad too and that's
• 2:57:35
  what creates that culture is the and by the way if you don't recognize the bad they don't
• 2:57:41
  never know what good looks like exactly or if you've never failed they go like if your kid
• 2:57:46
  skirts through life and gets a participant ribbon everywhere they go and they think they want
• 2:57:51
  oh how do they know what failing looks like with they wait till real life slaps them in the face
• 2:57:55
  exactly because it's not life is not fair as we hold them home thank you so much for coming thank
• 2:58:01
  you for coming to our home thank you for sharing your house yeah it's a beautiful home thank you
• 2:58:07
  you're our first guests in the south and we're very excited that it's you guys because the
• 2:58:10
  conversation has been so amazing you've been so vulnerable so open and as God said shared so much
• 2:58:18
  of your personal lives and your you know trials and tribulations and wins so I feel like a lot of
• 2:58:24
  people will really get a lot of insights from this conversation I mean meet myself included so I
• 2:58:30
  can't wait to continue um getting to know you and thank you thank you thank you so much