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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, April 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. Today
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Speaker 1: is Wednesday, April twenty feet, j P, Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: John Osier. Plenty coming up, including one Trevor Lawrence ending
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Speaker 1: any speculation with a tweet the NFL p A statements
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Speaker 1: on behalf of most NFL teams, but not one that
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Speaker 1: we're affiliated with, and Trent Bulky talks the Jaguars GM
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Speaker 1: spoke with the media this week ahead of the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1: We'll get a social media question or two as well.
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osan joining me now, Bucky in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: We're about a week away. Thank goodness, let's just get
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Speaker 1: this thing going. Man. It's so excited, just so excited
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Speaker 1: to see how everything turns out. Obviously, we're assuming that
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is going to be the number one, but
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Speaker 1: it's the rest, the red of the squad, just making
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Speaker 1: sure we get enough blue chip players because j P.
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Speaker 1: John it it takes tendteel blue chip players for you
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Speaker 1: to feel the Super Bowl continuing team. So we've got
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Speaker 1: to make sure that we stocked probably kind of up
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Speaker 1: to Andy when it comes to those stars, Yeah, better
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Speaker 1: have one. I mean, this Trevor kid better be the
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Speaker 1: real deal. If not, here's the thing. I get it
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Speaker 1: for the good of the franchise, but I will feel
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Speaker 1: if you're talking about it for four months to build up,
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Speaker 1: I'd almost feel personally cheated if he's not good and
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Speaker 1: it's all about John it's I know, I know, I'm
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Speaker 1: learning the situations like this before. I mean, I guess
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Speaker 1: every number one overall quarterback is talked like this and assumed.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, this is one of the surest bets
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Speaker 1: that you've had come into the league in a long time.
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Speaker 1: So the draft is a percentage games. So the percentage
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Speaker 1: As always. Let's continue the conversation here on the Huddle
2:21
Speaker 1: Up Podcast about Trevor Lawrence. He well, if there was
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Speaker 1: any speculation, which there really wasn't. Well, he kind of
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Speaker 1: ended it on Sunday with a tweet of his own.
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Speaker 1: There was a Sports Illustrated article that came out and
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Speaker 1: a couple of his comments in there. You know, some
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Speaker 1: pundits went the wrong way with them, and he quickly
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Speaker 1: came back out and reaffirmed what he said and was
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Speaker 1: fine with it. And then he thanked the Jaguars fans
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Speaker 1: and a tweet on Sunday he said, we really appreciate
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Speaker 1: the wedding gifts and donations for the charities of our choice.
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Speaker 1: In addition to the donations, Marissa and I will also
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Speaker 1: be donating twenty dollars to charities in Jacksonville. Thanks again.
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Speaker 1: We hope to be a part of your community soon.
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Speaker 1: And that was the end of the tweet. I think
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Speaker 1: they are excited to be here, Bucky, which national a
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Speaker 1: lot of national media types won't even believe. I think
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Speaker 1: this is the perfect marriage in terms of not only
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Speaker 1: Trevor being who he is in terms of what we
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Speaker 1: think he will be as the player, but I think
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Speaker 1: his demeanor and how he embraces being the franchise quarterback.
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Speaker 1: He embraced it when he was at high school in Clarksville, Cartersville.
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Speaker 1: He embraced it when he was at Clemson, and he's
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Speaker 1: certainly already embracing it down in Jacksonville. And a lot
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Speaker 1: of what it is to be the franchise quarterback has
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Speaker 1: little to do with on the field and more to
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Speaker 1: do with what you represent in terms of being QB one.
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Speaker 1: I think we already see that he has a level
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Speaker 1: of maturity that will enable him to handle all the
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Speaker 1: responsibilities to come along with being the face of the franchise. Bucky.
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Speaker 1: I think it was you a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 1: talked about it, and you know, we kicked around on
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Speaker 1: this show. Some guys were born to be QB one,
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Speaker 1: so to speak. It's amazing to me, and it's telling
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Speaker 1: the me that Trevor Lawrence has been QB one not
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Speaker 1: only on his own team but in the country for
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Speaker 1: what four or five years now, which which a couple
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Speaker 1: of things you're encouraging for Jaguars fans. I think it's different.
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Speaker 1: I never played, but I've talked to enough players to
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Speaker 1: know it's different. When you have that on you all
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Speaker 1: the time for five or six seven years, you come
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Speaker 1: out of that different than if you were saying Mac Jones,
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not criticizing Mac Jones, but anybody else,
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Speaker 1: because everybody else could argue that they've got some something
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Speaker 1: to prove, or maybe somebody was overlooking them. He's been
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Speaker 1: the target, not only a target, but expected to be
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Speaker 1: a leader by teammates and setting the example within his building.
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Speaker 1: Probably since he can remember that won't be a new
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Speaker 1: thing when he comes in here. That won't be something
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's dealing with. That's something he's
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Speaker 1: very well prepared for. And he's always been the leader
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Speaker 1: of the team, always been QB one. Furthermore, and I
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Speaker 1: know you and JP have heard me say, it's before
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Speaker 1: the world of football has had four years to pick
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Speaker 1: this kid apart and still can't do it. That's unbelievable
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Speaker 1: to me. I mean it, it really only compares with
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Speaker 1: maybe luck. Even when Peyton was coming out three years ago,
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Speaker 1: there were questions. There were people saying, well, he's not this,
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Speaker 1: he's not that, or you know, so he turned out
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Speaker 1: to be the perfect prospect, But it was a Ryan
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Speaker 1: Lee Peyton manning debate. Very few have ever been the guy, unquestioned,
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Speaker 1: the guy like this kid is. It's fascinating, but he
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Speaker 1: couldn't be more prepared for it. No, he couldn't be.
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Speaker 1: And I think you touched on something, John, that's kind
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Speaker 1: of like one of the underlying things. And I can't
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Speaker 1: wait to see how this plays out. I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that Trevor could walk around and operate with a chip
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Speaker 1: because I don't think he's ever seen himself as the underdog.
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Speaker 1: He has never had an opportunity to be the underdog.
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Speaker 1: And so when you take Trevor Lawrence who has that attitude,
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Speaker 1: and then you also take Urban Meyer, who I don't
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Speaker 1: think he fancies himself as being an underdog. I think
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Speaker 1: for us in Jacksonville, I think this is a new
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Speaker 1: way of thinking, right because for for so many of us,
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Speaker 1: like when it comes to Jacksonville, like, hey, we don't
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Speaker 1: get enough attention, we don't do this, look at us
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Speaker 1: like we're just scratching in clawe. And I think what
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see is from a cultural standpoint, it will
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Speaker 1: be a different approach that when the Jags walk out,
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Speaker 1: particularly under the leadership of those two guys, they are
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Speaker 1: going to puff out their chest a little bit and
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Speaker 1: feel like no, no, no no, this is not an upset,
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Speaker 1: This is not a surprise. This is what we're supposed
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Speaker 1: to do. We're supposed to win games. And that changes
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Speaker 1: because when that begins to happen, that becomes contagious and
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Speaker 1: infectious and you begin to this is saying like a
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Speaker 1: winner's win. Guys just kind of figure it out. And
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Speaker 1: those guys have always won. And so I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of the hope and a lot of the come
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Speaker 1: in pairing Trevor Lawrence up with Erban mart Is because
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Speaker 1: they always want and they'll just figure it out. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: not everybody needs a chip, John, Like, I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: okay to be good at what you do, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: and have been good at what you do for a
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Speaker 1: long time. And that's the case certainly with Trevor, is
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Speaker 1: certainly the case with Urban. And that's a great point, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: about just changing the mindset around here. Now. There will
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Speaker 1: be adversity. That's just how it's going to go in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. At times. There'll be some losses and some
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Speaker 1: things maybe not go as well as everybody plan. How
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Speaker 1: do they work out of that is something I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people will see. But the general mindset,
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Speaker 1: John uh it seems like it's going to change. As
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Speaker 1: Bucky said, it's it's fascinating this sense. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: there's ever in and I've done the research. Certainly in
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Speaker 1: the modern era, there's never been a head coach quarterback
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Speaker 1: combination come into the league as unused to losing. Is
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Speaker 1: these two because you know, you think about it. Andrew
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Speaker 1: Lucton come in like that, he was he played Stanford,
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Speaker 1: he won, but he certainly had a taste of not
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Speaker 1: winning national championships there we're not competing for them. And
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Speaker 1: then he was playing for Pagano and Bruce Arians and
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Speaker 1: there wasn't really that dynamic. When Peyton came in, he
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Speaker 1: had had success of tennessee all the dynamics. It's absolutely fascinating.
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Speaker 1: I agree with Bucky. It's going to be interesting to
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Speaker 1: see how they handle that. And I'm not going for
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Speaker 1: the cliche here, well, how is Urban Mey are going
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Speaker 1: to handle losing? He's never done it? But can that
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Speaker 1: translate to the NFL and will that sort of rub
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Speaker 1: off on their teammates of we're not expected to lose
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Speaker 1: it JP. I felt like there was an element of
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Speaker 1: that in two thousand seventeen around here when Klaus came
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Speaker 1: in and when those guys started to win, it wasn't
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Speaker 1: exactly like this, but I remember talking to Doug Marone
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Speaker 1: during that He was a little fascinated by the team's
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Speaker 1: mindset because he said a couple of times, Yeah, they're good,
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Speaker 1: even though maybe the nobody expects them to be. The
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Speaker 1: confidence of that team sort of transcended anything they had
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Speaker 1: ever done, and I remember Jack said, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to tell them they're not supposed to do that, because
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Speaker 1: it's working. And there was a little bit of an
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Speaker 1: element of that. If you remember, why are these guys
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Speaker 1: so confident? And they were brash and went to well,
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Speaker 1: I think Trevor and Urbans sort of earned that and
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Speaker 1: it will be fascinating to see if if they can
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Speaker 1: come in and sort of carry that forward with people
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and the Jaguars teams and thanks, you know,
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Speaker 1: why shouldn't we be good? It's an interesting dynamic and um,
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Speaker 1: we'll find out as the spring and summer moves along,
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Speaker 1: and obviously on into training camp and the preseason and beyond.
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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast, JP Shadrick, John Osier,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. Glad you're along with us some big news
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Speaker 1: over the weekend. Late last week, over the weekend, a
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Speaker 1: few teams, well most teams in the NFL now have
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Speaker 1: issued statements from the NFL p A opting out saying
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Speaker 1: they're not coming to voluntary workout. Well, some teams are saying, okay, well,
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Speaker 1: there's some guys that need the bonus money there, they
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Speaker 1: can go, they can do their thing. Um. The Jaguars,
10:07
Speaker 1: by the way, I think have the third highest offseason
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Speaker 1: workout bonus money in the NFL. Uh. There has not
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Speaker 1: been an announcement via the p A for the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: as of yet, but over twenty teams Bucky have done
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Speaker 1: this so far. It's uh status quo here in Jacksonville, though, Yeah,
10:26
Speaker 1: it's status quotes. So here here's the thing, because it's
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Speaker 1: really interesting how how this goes, Right. So, the NFL
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Speaker 1: p A has certainly been pushing for a virtual offseason
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Speaker 1: where you don't have guys come in, you kind of
10:38
Speaker 1: minimize the contact and the work and those things. And
10:41
Speaker 1: for some teams like that's great, right, It's it's great
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Speaker 1: because you have veteran players and all the continuity and
10:46
Speaker 1: all the other stuff. Jacksonville is a little bit of
10:48
Speaker 1: a different situation for a couple of different reasons. One,
10:51
Speaker 1: the team hasn't really been good, You've got a new
10:53
Speaker 1: head coach coming in, the team is going to skew
10:55
Speaker 1: younger than most other teams. And then you bring up
10:58
Speaker 1: something that is really an under discussed part of it,
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Speaker 1: the workout bonus program. So the end run around that
11:06
Speaker 1: stuff is okay, look, it's voluntary, but guess what if
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Speaker 1: you come to of your workouts, you get X amount
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Speaker 1: of dollars. And so you will see more teams begin
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Speaker 1: to do that. It reminds me of when I first
11:19
Speaker 1: in the league in the mid nineties. That was kind
11:21
Speaker 1: of the end, right, if you want participation, you have
11:25
Speaker 1: to pay the guys to show up to do it,
11:28
Speaker 1: because at the time in Green Bay or other places like,
11:31
Speaker 1: I don't want to be there, spend my entire offseason there.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're gonna direct the positi a
11:36
Speaker 1: couple of coins, I mean, you know, I can, I can,
11:39
Speaker 1: I can find my way there a few. So I
11:41
Speaker 1: think that's what you will begin to see. You'll see
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Speaker 1: teams do it. And so the fact that you haven't
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Speaker 1: heard of major statement from Jacksonville and some of those
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Speaker 1: guys like, I'm not losing any because of that. So
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Speaker 1: that's what it is. So before John can get mad
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Speaker 1: at the players and stuff for not coming up, Hey,
12:00
Speaker 1: now show up, you just have to ensue no, I'm
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Speaker 1: actually not. I mean, I don't misrepresented. I'm not mad
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Speaker 1: at players for not showing up because I absolutely believe
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Speaker 1: when it's voluntary. And JP has heard me say this
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Speaker 1: over the years. If guys don't want to show up,
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Speaker 1: that's fine. I just as a union in mass it
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Speaker 1: strikes me as interesting that older veteran players are saying
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Speaker 1: that it's not necessary, when I wonder if it's really
12:30
Speaker 1: not necessary for younger players. And the other side of
12:34
Speaker 1: that is, from a football standpoint, you can't tell me
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Speaker 1: that the level of play for a young team with
12:41
Speaker 1: a first year head coach and a first year coordinator
12:44
Speaker 1: won't be affected if you don't have on field work
12:48
Speaker 1: for those ten those ten O t A s in
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Speaker 1: the mini camps. It just defies reason that you wouldn't
12:53
Speaker 1: be able to get something out of that. So I
12:55
Speaker 1: just wonder, guys Bucky and JP if at some point,
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Speaker 1: if there's any way to collectively bargain in the future
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Speaker 1: some sort of happy medium where you can meet in
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Speaker 1: the middle on this, because I don't care what the
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Speaker 1: NFL p A says. I don't believe that it benefits
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Speaker 1: the quality of play. That just doesn't make sense to
13:15
Speaker 1: me that you wouldn't get some sort of benefit out
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Speaker 1: of having guys here. And I do wonder if there's
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Speaker 1: a way to collectively bargain into it to where you
13:22
Speaker 1: could have people here who it would benefit maybe not.
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Speaker 1: And JP, by the way, Bucky can't really relate to
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Speaker 1: this because he was making so much when he was
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Speaker 1: playing right pointult workout. Oh my god, man, I would
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Speaker 1: I would love to have a little, a little, a
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Speaker 1: little workout bonus. I would. I never when you're playing
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Speaker 1: on the minimal celle, you don't get workout bonuses laced
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Speaker 1: in the thing. You show up voluntarily for all things.
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Speaker 1: I think I think this is something to think about
13:56
Speaker 1: because this happened back when Jim Harbaugh took over for
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Speaker 1: the Niners. I think they were coming out of the
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Speaker 1: lockout deal and the Niners hit the ground running. Urban
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Speaker 1: Miners experience in college might be beneficial now with all
14:09
Speaker 1: of this stuff, because in college you might have spring practice,
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Speaker 1: but you don't have all these O t s and
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Speaker 1: doing it like you just kind of come to training
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Speaker 1: camp and you get ready to play your first game.
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Speaker 1: With the days and stuff that you have, you don't
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Speaker 1: have the ability to really have these summer workouts in
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Speaker 1: those things. I do want to if you'll be able
14:25
Speaker 1: to pull out some of those old kind of get
14:27
Speaker 1: ready plans and utilize them with the Jaguars. Because Jim
14:31
Speaker 1: Harbaugh was able to go from Stanford to have immediate
14:34
Speaker 1: success with the Niners without offseason workouts and those things.
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Speaker 1: They hit the ground running or whatever. So I do
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Speaker 1: wonder if coach Meyer will have a plan in place
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Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, this isn't that different. I've never
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Speaker 1: experienced it any other way. Let's get it going, and
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Speaker 1: let's find a way to to kind of make it
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Speaker 1: happen regardless of the circumstances. What if urban you know,
14:54
Speaker 1: when it actually happened though, he was like, you know what,
14:56
Speaker 1: we don't need them anyway. Well, just everybody gets O
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Speaker 1: t AF we used to do it this other way.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen, No, don't. I don't
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Speaker 1: think it's I don't think it's gonna happen but I
15:09
Speaker 1: do wonder. I mean, John, you bring up a good point,
15:12
Speaker 1: because football is a developmental game. It's one that requires
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Speaker 1: a ton of reps and in those things. So how
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Speaker 1: do you get guys ready to play, particularly when you
15:20
Speaker 1: have such a young team. We watched this young team
15:23
Speaker 1: falter in the fourth quarter of a bunch of games,
15:25
Speaker 1: and some of us like, man, we just gotta wait
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Speaker 1: for him to grow up. Well, how can we help
15:29
Speaker 1: them grow up quicker? Without having O T A s
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Speaker 1: or practices or mini camps? What can be created to
15:37
Speaker 1: allow these guys to work on their skills, to give
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Speaker 1: them a chance to be better when they do show up.
15:42
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting to JP is I think when
15:45
Speaker 1: Urban talks about Hope not putting words in his mouth here,
15:48
Speaker 1: but I think when he talks about growing the culture
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Speaker 1: and the importance of this offseason, I'm sure he'd like
15:53
Speaker 1: to have him on the field practicing. I mean, I
15:55
Speaker 1: don't doubt that football coaches want to practice, So that's
15:59
Speaker 1: you know, it's in there and a sure. But when
16:01
Speaker 1: he's talked about it, he hasn't emphasized the losing practice
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Speaker 1: as much as just losing the time spent around each other.
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Speaker 1: And around the coaches and you know, so I get
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Speaker 1: that the practice is important, but it seems to me
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Speaker 1: like he's equally concerned about just not being able to
16:22
Speaker 1: sit there on February eight and if you want to
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Speaker 1: have an assistant coach sit there and talk ball with
16:30
Speaker 1: a backup in sidelinebacker and on those sorts of things,
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Speaker 1: eat lunch together, having a meeting where you're talking culture, indoctrinating.
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Speaker 1: So I almost think it's half and half. I think
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Speaker 1: he's he's just concerned about losing that and teaching these
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Speaker 1: guys the quote unquote Jaguar's way as actually being on
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Speaker 1: the field and JP, I'm wondering if you sort of
16:50
Speaker 1: sense the same thing when you listen to Urban about that.
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Speaker 1: It feels like it, right, I mean, because that's a
16:56
Speaker 1: big piece of getting this organization going the it way,
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Speaker 1: especially for him standing in front of a team, standing
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Speaker 1: in a weight room, standing you know, off to the
17:08
Speaker 1: side of the hallway with a guy getting to know
17:10
Speaker 1: his players because he doesn't know half the guys, right,
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Speaker 1: he hasn't been around them, and the other half or
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Speaker 1: more will bring in this offseason. So how do you
17:18
Speaker 1: get everybody on the same page. I think is is
17:20
Speaker 1: vital for that And it's a great point. John, Yeah,
17:23
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you on that. That's probably the big
17:25
Speaker 1: piece of what he misses. I think the big piece
17:28
Speaker 1: is what he's missing, and I think we're here this
17:30
Speaker 1: right and it's Look, it's the buzzword that everyone utilizes
17:33
Speaker 1: in business and a sport as you talk about culture.
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Speaker 1: Culture has little to do with like how many times
17:39
Speaker 1: did Jaguars practice in those things, and more how to
17:42
Speaker 1: do with the connectivity between players and players, coaches and
17:46
Speaker 1: players and coach to coach. And the only time you
17:49
Speaker 1: can foster that chemistry and the connectivity is to be
17:52
Speaker 1: around each other. And so I'm sure that he had
17:55
Speaker 1: probably a bunch or he has a bunch of team
17:58
Speaker 1: building activities that don't include getting on the grass and
18:02
Speaker 1: and and practicing whatever that might be bowling, doing other things.
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Speaker 1: But they have to get together because as much as
18:10
Speaker 1: we talked about it being professional sports, it's a team
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Speaker 1: and you have to be able to think about something
18:15
Speaker 1: bigger than yourself for the team to actually function. Even
18:17
Speaker 1: though we talk about it is like hocus pocus is
18:20
Speaker 1: kind of whatever, But that's part of that's part of
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Speaker 1: the deal. Like it's not something that we should really
18:24
Speaker 1: think about in pro sports, but there's still that level
18:27
Speaker 1: of connectivity and chemistry that you have to have to
18:29
Speaker 1: be a very very successful team. Alright, so we'll say this.
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Speaker 1: Trent Bawky, Jaguars general manager, spoke with the media this week.
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Speaker 1: They have plans for Urban Wire and Trin Bawkey to
20:35
Speaker 1: speak with the full beat for the Jaguars on Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: but we had an early bird conversation or two I
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Speaker 1: Draft Special and Action Sports April twenty nine in the
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Speaker 1: in the UK as well on sky Sports NFL. That'll
20:51
Speaker 1: be next week. But Johnny O you caught up with
20:54
Speaker 1: him on Tuesday on the ozone podcast. And starting with
20:57
Speaker 1: building culture with urban and finding players to fit that mold,
21:02
Speaker 1: you know you have to be on the same page.
21:04
Speaker 1: You have to know culturally what you're looking for, you
21:08
Speaker 1: have to know schematically what you're looking for. Not every
21:11
Speaker 1: player in this draft is a cultural fit for every team.
21:15
Speaker 1: Uh not every player in this draft is a schematic
21:17
Speaker 1: fit for for every team. And that's why everybody's boards
21:21
Speaker 1: look so so much different on draft day. So what
21:24
Speaker 1: you're trying to do is build your board for you,
21:27
Speaker 1: and you specifically forget where the noise a where a
21:30
Speaker 1: guy is going to go in the draft, because where
21:32
Speaker 1: they go doesn't doesn't really make a difference. When you
21:35
Speaker 1: figure that fifty or roughly fifty of the first round
21:39
Speaker 1: picks don't play to that first round status, that should
21:42
Speaker 1: give you an indication how difficult this is to get
21:45
Speaker 1: it right. So I think as long as you're looking
21:47
Speaker 1: at guys culturally and uh schematically physically, do they fit
21:52
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. That's your best chance to build
21:55
Speaker 1: a board specific to you and your best chance to
21:58
Speaker 1: execute it properly undrafting. Okay, John, it's a team affair. Obviously,
22:03
Speaker 1: they've had a few months to kind of get things together,
22:06
Speaker 1: get the board going, figure out what player can fit
22:10
Speaker 1: the culture, what player can play first of all and
22:13
Speaker 1: fit that culture altogether. Yeah, And I thought it was
22:15
Speaker 1: interesting in speaking with Trent. He made a point when
22:19
Speaker 1: I asked him about Urban to talk about what a
22:23
Speaker 1: contribution he had made from the standpoint of his knowledge
22:27
Speaker 1: of the college players, which I think people expected. I
22:30
Speaker 1: think that was something people throughout there in January when
22:33
Speaker 1: Urban was hired. But as they say, Trent went there immediately.
22:38
Speaker 1: It was clear to me that that was not a
22:41
Speaker 1: pat answer. That Urban's knowledge of the players, his knowledge
22:46
Speaker 1: of the college game. I would think, Bucky that that
22:49
Speaker 1: was helped by him being in Ohio State but also
22:54
Speaker 1: being at Fox Sports. And you know, I don't think
22:57
Speaker 1: that's something to underestimate in this equation. It's not something
23:00
Speaker 1: to underestimate. But let's just follow the bird the crumbs, right,
23:05
Speaker 1: So I would say the bird stuffs the crumbs. This
23:13
Speaker 1: is what it probably means as I'm looking at it.
23:16
Speaker 1: Big school players, brand name players, meaning guys that the
23:20
Speaker 1: big schools that we talked about and celebrate, Alabama's Ohio
23:24
Speaker 1: States to Clemson, those guys, because when you think about
23:27
Speaker 1: what Urban was exposed to, he was exposed to those.
23:29
Speaker 1: He he wasn't going to some of the Mountain West
23:32
Speaker 1: schools and some of the Conference USA. School is not
23:34
Speaker 1: saying that players can't come from there, but I think
23:37
Speaker 1: it would be more of a warm buffet approach to
23:39
Speaker 1: the draft. Brand names, things that you're familiar with, that
23:42
Speaker 1: you know about um because he's an old coach, You're
23:45
Speaker 1: gonna think about guys that are four and five stars
23:49
Speaker 1: that were on his recruiting list that he saw those
23:51
Speaker 1: recognizable names. Because when you're recruiting at Ohier State, you're
23:56
Speaker 1: recruiting the best of the best. It's not like you're,
23:58
Speaker 1: oh Ay, let me find a one or two star
24:01
Speaker 1: and develop them. I want the best of the best.
24:03
Speaker 1: Give me the best players. We're gonna take them, We're
24:05
Speaker 1: gonna max them out and get them going. I would
24:07
Speaker 1: think in his first draft when they're talking about guys,
24:10
Speaker 1: he is really going to push brand name players that
24:13
Speaker 1: we've seen and recognized from TV and those things, because
24:17
Speaker 1: that's the world that he that he comes from, and
24:19
Speaker 1: Bucky would he also be I would think very uh
24:24
Speaker 1: production conscious, meaning he saw it happen and as opposed
24:28
Speaker 1: to looking for sleepers, which I guess that ties into
24:32
Speaker 1: what you're saying, but uh yeah, I would think that
24:35
Speaker 1: high production on the college level would perhaps dazzle him
24:40
Speaker 1: more than not absolutely. And I think that's the thing.
24:43
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see more because scouting and drafting
24:46
Speaker 1: can be two categories projection versus production, and I think
24:50
Speaker 1: for urban coming from the college thing, I think it's
24:54
Speaker 1: going to be more production base. I need to see
24:57
Speaker 1: it before I can believe it. I need to see
25:00
Speaker 1: you dominate before I can say that you're going to
25:02
Speaker 1: be a dominant player. I don't want to just see
25:04
Speaker 1: your measurables and say, oh, you did this in the
25:07
Speaker 1: forty and three cone and you have these dimensions and
25:10
Speaker 1: oh you're gonna go this way. He wants to see it,
25:13
Speaker 1: and I think if we go back and it'll be
25:15
Speaker 1: interesting to do, maybe I'll do it before we get
25:17
Speaker 1: on the next But let's go back and look at
25:19
Speaker 1: his recruiting list and see the kind of guys that
25:21
Speaker 1: he took at Florida and Ohio State, and how many
25:24
Speaker 1: of those guys were projected, Hey, I'm gonna take a
25:27
Speaker 1: three star and then he's gonna play. Well, it was
25:29
Speaker 1: Percy Harving a three star, four star, five star when
25:31
Speaker 1: he got him. When he took Ezekiel Elliott and all
25:34
Speaker 1: those other guys in Ohio State. How did those guys
25:37
Speaker 1: rank on those recruiting lists. Because I don't think we're
25:39
Speaker 1: gonna find many of those quote unquote hidden gems that
25:43
Speaker 1: he's trying to do. I think it's already hard enough
25:46
Speaker 1: to build a team. It's really hard to build a
25:49
Speaker 1: team where you're also trying to develop guys that you
25:51
Speaker 1: just don't know if they even can play in the league.
25:54
Speaker 1: Let's good to our next Trenton bunky Bike from the
25:56
Speaker 1: ozone podcasts. You know there's five picks in the top
26:00
Speaker 1: sixty five for the Jaguars this year. Is it a
26:03
Speaker 1: good year for that? Was the question? Trip Baucky says, Well, yeah,
26:07
Speaker 1: it's always good to be at the top of the draft.
26:09
Speaker 1: You know, it's like every other draft. There's there's positions
26:13
Speaker 1: that are top heavy. Uh, there's positions that are bottom heavy.
26:16
Speaker 1: There's positions that have guys that all the way throughout
26:19
Speaker 1: the draft that you feel good about where where they
26:22
Speaker 1: are for the value. Uh. So I don't think it's
26:26
Speaker 1: any different than any other drafts that we've been a
26:28
Speaker 1: part of. But yet the positional value has has changed
26:33
Speaker 1: a little bit in some respects. You know, you look
26:36
Speaker 1: at the tight end position, for instance, you know there
26:39
Speaker 1: aren't as many tight ends as there used to be, uh,
26:42
Speaker 1: at least in this given year. So when you look
26:45
Speaker 1: at each position, uh, we feel good about where we've
26:48
Speaker 1: got players valued. We feel good that within the first
26:51
Speaker 1: sixty five we can come out of this thing with
26:54
Speaker 1: five starters. And that's what you hope to do. If
26:56
Speaker 1: you get a chance to take a swing at the
26:58
Speaker 1: top sixty five players in the draft AFT and you
27:00
Speaker 1: got to get to have five of those guys, you
27:03
Speaker 1: should hope you can come away with with with five starters.
27:07
Speaker 1: And what I meant by that, of course, before the
27:09
Speaker 1: bite was it's it's nice to have a lot of
27:12
Speaker 1: picks at the top of the draft. That doesn't mean
27:15
Speaker 1: you've performed so well the year before most likely, but
27:18
Speaker 1: there's they're in the position now John to get some
27:21
Speaker 1: difference making players, guys that can really set a foundation
27:24
Speaker 1: for the organization. A lot of starting football players can
27:27
Speaker 1: come out of this. You no question, and he did
27:29
Speaker 1: say that, uh, every draft is different and talked some
27:35
Speaker 1: He didn't go into much detail on this because you
27:38
Speaker 1: don't want to give away your hand, but it was
27:40
Speaker 1: interesting tight end for example, said not as many great
27:44
Speaker 1: tight ends in this draft as there are are in some drafts,
27:47
Speaker 1: So you wonder where that's going to affect value on
27:50
Speaker 1: that position. So it will be interesting maybe after the
27:54
Speaker 1: draft to get his full insight into Okay, what positions
27:59
Speaker 1: did you feel like you had to go after early
28:02
Speaker 1: because you didn't feel like you were going to be
28:03
Speaker 1: able to get him light He did not hint at
28:05
Speaker 1: this at all, But you wonder with a position such
28:09
Speaker 1: as wide receiver for example, where it's supposedly very very deep. Again,
28:13
Speaker 1: if that doesn't force you to go after a different
28:18
Speaker 1: position early knowing you could get a very good wide
28:22
Speaker 1: receiver later. Certainly that's part of their pre draft planning,
28:25
Speaker 1: you know, Bucky, I'm curious you followed GM's histories more
28:30
Speaker 1: than a lot of people do because you study the
28:32
Speaker 1: draft so much. Is that something that Trent does look
28:36
Speaker 1: at specific positions early, take them thinking that you can
28:40
Speaker 1: get value somewhere else in the draft in another position. Yeah, John,
28:44
Speaker 1: that's a good observation and point that you're bringing up.
28:46
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that you have to assess
28:48
Speaker 1: every year when you're dealing with the draft. You have
28:50
Speaker 1: to be able to look at where is the draft
28:52
Speaker 1: strong and deep and where is it very shallow? And
28:56
Speaker 1: if we're thinking about impact players, that could lead you
28:59
Speaker 1: to take a position that isn't as deep, take that
29:03
Speaker 1: early so you can get the best of that and
29:05
Speaker 1: then come back and circle around and get another position
29:08
Speaker 1: that is maybe plentiful later on. And so if we
29:12
Speaker 1: think about coming away with five impact players and those picks,
29:18
Speaker 1: you have to assess, Okay, what what do we need
29:20
Speaker 1: to get? And so if we talk about the tight
29:22
Speaker 1: end position, that might mean taking a tight end before
29:26
Speaker 1: others will say we need to take a tight end. Now.
29:29
Speaker 1: The players talent and projection needs to match up with
29:31
Speaker 1: where we're selecting him, meaning, hey, this guy is gonna
29:34
Speaker 1: be an impact player worthy of being taken in the
29:36
Speaker 1: second round. But a maybe with that first pick in
29:40
Speaker 1: the second round, maybe we grab the tight end now
29:42
Speaker 1: and come back and get We'll just throw this out
29:44
Speaker 1: there are running back a little later in the second round.
29:46
Speaker 1: Or maybe we go and attack the defensive tackle need
29:50
Speaker 1: at the top of the second round, or maybe we
29:52
Speaker 1: attack it at the bottom of the first round. You know,
29:55
Speaker 1: I mean, and and thinking about the thing like mad
29:59
Speaker 1: drafts or whatever. Everything has been about safety, but when
30:01
Speaker 1: we think about it, the position to need has been
30:03
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. So at some point we have to take
30:06
Speaker 1: a defensive tackles so or bar More happens to be
30:08
Speaker 1: there at twenty five, even though we could say, uh,
30:12
Speaker 1: maybe he flashes hot of Coba. Hey, let's hey, let's
30:15
Speaker 1: grab him now to get him. Or is there someone
30:18
Speaker 1: else like Levi Andserick that might be somewhere at the
30:22
Speaker 1: top of the second round. Let's make sure we get
30:24
Speaker 1: that position field. And so as you're going through these scenarios,
30:29
Speaker 1: a lot of the mocking that we're talking about those
30:30
Speaker 1: sexy positions, the wide receivers and those things. There are
30:33
Speaker 1: a million of those, but the big boys not as many,
30:36
Speaker 1: and so you may have to make it a meat
30:38
Speaker 1: and potatoes draft early and then go and get the
30:41
Speaker 1: sprinkles for the cupcake later on. Yeah, it's kind of ironic.
30:43
Speaker 1: JP people when they grade drafts, I think they look
30:47
Speaker 1: at individual players. Okay, where did I have this guy,
30:50
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, this guy. To hear Bucky tell it,
30:53
Speaker 1: you have to look at what the team was trying
30:56
Speaker 1: to do overall, and may be assessing the draft more
31:00
Speaker 1: so than trying to say, well, they took this guy
31:03
Speaker 1: five or six positions too early. Well, maybe they were
31:06
Speaker 1: trying to get something done and trying to build an
31:09
Speaker 1: overall class as opposed to specifically looking at each player.
31:13
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder, Bucky and JP, you know they're
31:16
Speaker 1: going into this draft with ten players, how are ten selections?
31:21
Speaker 1: Are they going to come out of this draft with
31:23
Speaker 1: ten players selected? From what JP and I were talking about,
31:27
Speaker 1: I kind of get the idea. Not I kind of
31:30
Speaker 1: get the idea that they'll come out of this with
31:31
Speaker 1: fewer than than ten selections. Yeah, and that leads us
31:35
Speaker 1: to our final bite from Trent Balky about his history
31:39
Speaker 1: of moving around in the draft. What prompts a trade
31:43
Speaker 1: upward down and how difficult are those to execute? It's
31:47
Speaker 1: usually an obligatory question. Would a GM be willing to
31:50
Speaker 1: trade that first round pick. I'm gonna assume you're not
31:53
Speaker 1: trading number one overall, but never never, never say never.
31:57
Speaker 1: But overall your reputake is that you don't mind moving
32:01
Speaker 1: around in the draft. What's your philosophy on that and
32:04
Speaker 1: what prompts you to try to move? How do you
32:06
Speaker 1: approach that? You gotta let the board speak. You know,
32:10
Speaker 1: you you work for three d sixty four days out
32:12
Speaker 1: of the year to get through that day one or
32:15
Speaker 1: whatever number that is. And you've got a plan, and
32:20
Speaker 1: you know you've got the players valued, and when the
32:23
Speaker 1: board starts to fall, you can't predict how it's gonna fall,
32:27
Speaker 1: so your your plan has to be very fluid. And
32:30
Speaker 1: when the opportunity arises, when you're sitting there with the
32:34
Speaker 1: pick and you still have three or four players that
32:37
Speaker 1: you have twenty five value on, maybe you do move back.
32:41
Speaker 1: But that's an organizational decision. That's something Coach and I
32:44
Speaker 1: will work hard on during that day because you can't
32:48
Speaker 1: plan for it. You can you can, uh, yeah, I
32:52
Speaker 1: guess you can plan for it, but the reality is
32:55
Speaker 1: draft day isn't predicted. You can plan all you want, right,
32:59
Speaker 1: it has to be loud. So I asked him on
33:01
Speaker 1: the TV interview, you know what was your is your
33:04
Speaker 1: best draft moment, the one that's most memorable to you
33:07
Speaker 1: in terms of trading or moving a selection. And the
33:11
Speaker 1: first one that hit his head was in the UH
33:14
Speaker 1: in the draft they got Carlos High and in San Francisco.
33:17
Speaker 1: That would have he traded three times in like a
33:21
Speaker 1: seven minute span, down, up, down, like either way, and
33:25
Speaker 1: ended up with Carlos High. They executed all those trades
33:28
Speaker 1: at one time. He does have a track record of
33:30
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger and just going for it. Bucky. Yeah.
33:33
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the deal, um. And I
33:35
Speaker 1: think it's important to note, just for disclosure, Trainbaky work
33:38
Speaker 1: for a long time with one of my mentor, Scott McCloy,
33:41
Speaker 1: and we kind of come from the school that we
33:44
Speaker 1: value players over picks. There's some some organizations that always
33:49
Speaker 1: value picks. I want to have a bunch of picks,
33:50
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have all these guys and we're gonna
33:52
Speaker 1: draft twelve guys or whatever. We got fifteen guys that
33:54
Speaker 1: are taken into the six and seventh round, where some
33:57
Speaker 1: people like I would rather have the really good player
34:01
Speaker 1: and fewer picks. And so if I can get in
34:03
Speaker 1: arranged to put myself to get what we call a
34:06
Speaker 1: blue chip player, I will give up those later picks
34:08
Speaker 1: to get a blue chip player. And so when you
34:11
Speaker 1: think about two minds coming together, Trent, Balky and Urban Meyer,
34:15
Speaker 1: I've already sitting in outline. Urban Meyer wants four and
34:18
Speaker 1: five stars. He's not trying to get two star players.
34:20
Speaker 1: He wants four and five stars. I want the Marquete name.
34:23
Speaker 1: And then you have Balky, who is kind of training
34:25
Speaker 1: around like crazy, is not afraid to trade to get
34:28
Speaker 1: in range, that absolutely believes that the Jaguars may come
34:32
Speaker 1: out of this with six players, with four of those
34:36
Speaker 1: maybe up at the beginning of the draft, and they'd
34:39
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, okay, I'm fine with that. I got
34:41
Speaker 1: four guys that I really really wanted. I'll give away
34:44
Speaker 1: those rest of the picks because the four that I
34:46
Speaker 1: want are better players than what potentially could be behind
34:50
Speaker 1: those other guys. And the other thing that we've seen
34:52
Speaker 1: of late undrafted free agents, I think undrafted creatents are
34:56
Speaker 1: making rosters more than the day three players. And so
35:00
Speaker 1: if you have the ability to identify undrafted's and you
35:03
Speaker 1: know how to develop those guys. You focus your effort
35:06
Speaker 1: and energy on making sure you win day one and
35:08
Speaker 1: day two, and then if you don't have as many
35:10
Speaker 1: picks on day three, you focus on being able to
35:13
Speaker 1: cultivate all those undrafted free agents. I think the numbers
35:17
Speaker 1: day is they have five day one and day two
35:21
Speaker 1: picks and five day three picks. Right, yes, the right
35:25
Speaker 1: trade every round four or five, six, seven to move
35:31
Speaker 1: up if you can trade all the day two picks
35:35
Speaker 1: to move up to get me out of there by Thursday? No,
35:41
Speaker 1: are you, Mike dick it? That's what we're doing for me?
35:46
Speaker 1: Is that what we're doing. Are you gonna put on
35:48
Speaker 1: the the Ricky Williams dreads and go play golf the
35:51
Speaker 1: rest of the day like we won't be Ricky Wheens dress.
35:54
Speaker 1: You need that to move up three spots in the
35:56
Speaker 1: first round. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it.
36:00
Speaker 1: You're gonna have on the Trevor Lawrence wig. You're gonna
36:02
Speaker 1: have the Trevor Lawrence We're gonna we're gonna do the podcast.
36:08
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a blond wig on an eighty four.
36:10
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts Jersey on. He's gonna have all That's fine.
36:13
Speaker 1: J C. Horne. Fine, one, do you have a do
36:21
Speaker 1: you have a deadline on it? Like it has to
36:23
Speaker 1: be submitted by seven pm on Friday night, It has
36:27
Speaker 1: to be by n You want to be done by
36:29
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. No late night hours the ideal. But I'll
36:32
Speaker 1: take you. No late nine hours for jail, no late
36:35
Speaker 1: night hours. And by the way, I get that Trevor
36:39
Speaker 1: Lawrence is gonna put this team in prime time. I'm
36:42
Speaker 1: still in favor of sixteen one o'clock home games many.
36:48
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all about Johnny O's schedule. You know,
36:50
Speaker 1: he's got a mode. You have six you have six
36:54
Speaker 1: pm reservations every Sunday. You have six pm, so you
36:58
Speaker 1: can make sure you cruise. You cruise about a spot
37:00
Speaker 1: right after, right after the game in my coup. Correct,
37:08
Speaker 1: it's in my cot. This is the Huddle Up Podcast.
37:13
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37:16
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37:33
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37:36
Speaker 1: today and we've gone over this topic, but let's get
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Speaker 1: the question. There's this gentleman was nice enough to send
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Speaker 1: the question in so at Rich Edwin E. D w
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Speaker 1: N Who, in your opinion is the best tight end
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Speaker 1: and safety prospect for our Jags. We've gone through this
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Speaker 1: a few times, Okay, So best tight end prospects I
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Speaker 1: will say two guys. I would think Pat Freremouth from
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Speaker 1: Penn State because he's a traditional classic tight end. How
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Speaker 1: tall are you, Bucky? Is he? He's not Kyle Pitts tall?
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Speaker 1: Is he? No? I think he's like six four. It's
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Speaker 1: I think I think that's where he kind of comes in.
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Speaker 1: And then Hunter Long from Boston College would be the second.
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Speaker 1: Because what the Jags need. I think they still need
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Speaker 1: a classic y like I I know, take Tyler Eifford
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Speaker 1: out of the mix, like he's there, but he's not there.
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Speaker 1: Like I need a traditional Y tight end, like a
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Speaker 1: guy that can play and be an every down guy
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Speaker 1: attached to hip with the tackle, put his hand in
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Speaker 1: the dirt. Run, rouse and do those things. And in fact,
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Speaker 1: if they were daring to feel the position, I would
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Speaker 1: like to see him double down at the position, get
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Speaker 1: one to come back and get another one. I think
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Speaker 1: firemouth makes sense. What I wonder about is do you
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Speaker 1: have to go get him at five? And if you
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Speaker 1: go get him at five, are you overdrafting him when
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Speaker 1: you could get one of the other guys? Is that
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Speaker 1: value worth it? Is he that much better than who
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Speaker 1: you could get in the third round for what else
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Speaker 1: you might get? And that's my only concern with it.
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Speaker 1: But but I mean, I think that's a question you're
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Speaker 1: asking about a bunch of guys, so is he that
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Speaker 1: much better? But I also think that that's an issue
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Speaker 1: that teams run into it. Tighten and a lot we're
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Speaker 1: talking to this podcast. Tight Ends fascinating to him. Every
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Speaker 1: team needs them, and yet on draft day it seems
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Speaker 1: like teams start talking themselves out of how much they
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Speaker 1: need them because they're hard to find and because they're risky,
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Speaker 1: and because they're not perfect coming out there's always flaws
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Speaker 1: in them. So I guess I kind of agree with Bucky.
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Speaker 1: I think the approach maybe somewhere in these top seven
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Speaker 1: guys that you've got. You've got five in the top
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Speaker 1: sixty five and a couple more. Maybe you do have
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Speaker 1: to take two to get what you need and hope
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Speaker 1: that one of them works out because this team has
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Speaker 1: been so deficient at that spot for so long. And
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Speaker 1: I get the Urban and trent on thinking about the
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Speaker 1: long term deficiencies, but you've got to get that spot
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Speaker 1: field in this day and age. So you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking abound myself a little bit because it's such
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Speaker 1: a difficult position. And maybe you pass on Fireman and
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Speaker 1: then take a combination of Brevin Jordan's Hunter Long somewhere
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Speaker 1: down there and get a combination that would work at
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Speaker 1: that spot because they gotta get it fixed. And then
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Speaker 1: the other position groups safety. You know, the Jags haven't
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Speaker 1: selected in the draft a true free safety since James
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Speaker 1: Sample that didn't work out. So sweet spot here, I mean,
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Speaker 1: they're there are a bunch of sages, and really, I
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Speaker 1: mean it's it's like going to the ice cream shop
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Speaker 1: and kind of figuring out what what is your flavor?
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Speaker 1: What do you like? Um, we've talked about Trevor Morray
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Speaker 1: for forever. Javon Holland from Oregon is another playmaker ball hawk.
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Speaker 1: But then there are a ton of guys that have
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Speaker 1: impact potential, but they have to be played a certain way.
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Speaker 1: So you have Andre Cisco from Syracuse who was intriguing
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Speaker 1: because he's a ball He had thirteen interceptions in two years. Like,
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Speaker 1: he just gets his hands on the football. So do
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Speaker 1: you want a playmaker that's back there, because he could
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Speaker 1: be that guy. Kaden Stern is a great athlete who
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Speaker 1: had an outstanding freshman year, hasn't played to that level.
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Speaker 1: But you talked about a highway speed sideline, the sideline
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Speaker 1: playmaker who was a really valued recruit when he went
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Speaker 1: to Texas, And so a lot of it depends on
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Speaker 1: how they decide to play, and without seeing them or
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Speaker 1: even hearing them talk about their style of playing the
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Speaker 1: back end, it's really hard to predict what they want
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Speaker 1: in which direction they'll go. Yeah, I think safety about
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Speaker 1: this on the podcast. I almost think the NFL game
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Speaker 1: and the rules have evolved to the point where it's
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Speaker 1: impossible or very close to impossible to find a great
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Speaker 1: safety along the lines of where people thought of it
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Speaker 1: years ago. Meaning if you really think you're gonna find
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Speaker 1: somebody who can hit who can play it at a
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Speaker 1: high level, be incredibly dynamic and cover you know, good luck,
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Speaker 1: because you're trying to find a cornerback in the linebacker's body.
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Speaker 1: It's almost the same thing as the tight end position,
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Speaker 1: where you've almost got to find Okay, I've got a
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Speaker 1: guy who can do this and a guy who can
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Speaker 1: do this. But if I think I'm gonna find a
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Speaker 1: guy who can do both at a high level, they
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Speaker 1: maybe once every seven or eight years that you're gonna
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Speaker 1: find that guy who can do it all. Kellen Winslow
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Speaker 1: is not walking through that door. Maybe Ronnie Lott in
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Speaker 1: his prime is not walking through that door anymore because
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Speaker 1: the game has changed where you can't expect that out
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Speaker 1: of that guy. So, you know, Mary, obviously I think
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Speaker 1: is the big time talent out of the class. Once
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Speaker 1: you get beyond that, I think you're trying to find
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Speaker 1: a guy who can fill a specific role and not
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Speaker 1: be and it will be every down, but they're not
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Speaker 1: going to be the dynamic superstar that I think fans
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Speaker 1: are thinking of at that spot. You have a thanks
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Speaker 1: for the social media question this week, and that will
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Speaker 1: wrap it up for the Huddle Up podcast. This week,
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Speaker 1: we are one week away, over a week from the
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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Well, full team coverage on Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: next week, Bucky, what do you got coming up? The
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Speaker 1: clock's ticket for Draft night? The clock is ticking. But
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Speaker 1: I'm happy that I will be doing some radio on
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Speaker 1: Draft night. I'm doing uh coast in the coverage on
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, UH doing the Draft live Jake Lazer, myself,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Brookhart or whatever, so I get a chance to
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Speaker 1: talk about it or whatever, and then hopefully we'll connect
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Speaker 1: and we'll do some some post draft pods and all
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Speaker 1: of that other stuff. So right now, it's just getting
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Speaker 1: ready for the big day. That's just kind of kind
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Speaker 1: of like a mini super Bowl for us. John, that
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Speaker 1: was some big league name dropping right there by Bucky,
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Speaker 1: I must say there was a name. It was a
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Speaker 1: name drop. That was a name dropper. Bucky thinks those
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Speaker 1: guys are dropping his name. That's where he comes from.
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Speaker 1: But it's a will name drop as well though. And
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Speaker 1: oh well, no, I'm about to name drop Bucky. Because
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Speaker 1: our Jaguars dot Com coverage continued. I know people this
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Speaker 1: day don't read as much as they used to, but
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Speaker 1: Bucky and I've been working on this Draft series JP
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Speaker 1: reads before it goes out, and uh, the Jaguars dot
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Speaker 1: Com Draft series is your mainly because of Bucky's contribution
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Speaker 1: has been outstanding. I think you get a full feel
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Speaker 1: for certainly the first two or three rounds of the
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Speaker 1: draft where the Jaguars might go in all this if
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Speaker 1: you read our series, which continues as we move along
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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, will be Thursday, Friday,
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Speaker 1: next Monday and Tuesday, and uh, it's certainly worth a
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Speaker 1: read because the Bucky's input. Great job. I appreciate that
44:29
Speaker 1: John O gave me some flowers. How about that. That's
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Speaker 1: that's nice every now and then look at that to
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Speaker 1: get on there with Jay Glazer. Wait wait, wait, wait goodness,
44:43
Speaker 1: wait a minute, hold on there, Okay, because Jo, I've
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Speaker 1: seen you pump out stuff celebrating Peter King joining the pod.
44:53
Speaker 1: You've had other people joined the pods, I mean, very
44:57
Speaker 1: prominent names on the ozone which has your glasses and everything.
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Speaker 1: I just wait until Pete Frisco this week to mighty yeah,
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Speaker 1: Mighty Pete Frisco. Like I'm just saying some of us,
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Speaker 1: I mean, some of us just shop at different aisles.
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Speaker 1: I'm just at that that clearance O. You're over there
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Speaker 1: the high end rack. You know, you don't even look
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Speaker 1: at price tags, you just you just buy it. We
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Speaker 1: keep going in list I've had, I've had Jim Trotter on,
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Speaker 1: I've had, uh had a guess, Steve Wisch, Trent Balky,
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Speaker 1: pretty good list, it's a it's a great list. Both
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Speaker 1: lists are fantastic, by the way, and uh, we'll look
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Speaker 1: forward to the coverage coming up next week on Fox
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Speaker 1: Sports Radio of course on Thursday night, and our coverage
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Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com. Bucky will be a big piece
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Speaker 1: of that Friday and Saturday as well. Remember to subscribe
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Speaker 1: five star treatment and a common as well. And we
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Speaker 1: will have one of these podcasts before the draft. So
45:57
Speaker 1: we're acting like we're not gonna talk again before the draft,
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Speaker 1: but we will speak again next week. I have a
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Speaker 1: good one, Bucky man. You know what you guys to
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Speaker 1: be good, Jo, stay positive, positive. We're week away. We're
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Speaker 1: a week away from doing all about Me. That'll do
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Speaker 1: it this week for the Huddle Up Podcast,