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Mysterious Case Of Valerie McDonald.. · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 2: really curious. Me and the baby daddy were talking, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know how this came up, but I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of my cousins, female cousins, I won't
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  Speaker 2: say their name, obviously, but you know who you are
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  Speaker 2: if you're listening. You know, she doesn't wear underwear, like ever,
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  Speaker 2: even with a dress or a skirt. She just free-pusses it,
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  Speaker 2: and That's probably way the fuck more healthy for your
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  Speaker 2: flora and fauna and all of that. You know, catch
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  Speaker 2: a breeze blowing through there. It's probably the way God
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  Speaker 2: intended it. But you ever, ladies out there, you ever
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  Speaker 2: had a dress on short enough or a skirt on
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  Speaker 2: short enough when you sit down on the chair, wherever
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  Speaker 2: you may happen to be at, You're full face pussing
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  Speaker 2: it right down onto the surface. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I want to full face passage the chair at
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  Speaker 2: whatever public establishment I'm at. I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 2: the move. You talk about a yeaster. Baby, you sit down.
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  Speaker 2: On a public chair at the DMV. And tell me
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  Speaker 2: what you bring back home with you. The undergarment. Serves
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  Speaker 2: as a layer of protection ladies. For those short skirts
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  Speaker 2: and short dresses. You don't want the open face roast beef.
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  Speaker 2: Down on the public DMV. Plastic chair. You don't want it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want it. And let's say. You go out,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to go with your friend in their car.
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  Speaker 2: And she happens to have fabric seats in her car.
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  Speaker 2: And you're just having one of those days, ladies, you
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  Speaker 2: know this happens. You're a little extra leaky that day.
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  Speaker 2: You get up and you've left the snail trail on
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  Speaker 2: your friend's car seat. How do you explain that? How
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  Speaker 2: do you even begin? And the embarrassment, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: one time, and I'll be done with this, I let
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  Speaker 2: my friend, we were all going to the club one night,
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  Speaker 2: and I have a couple body shapers and shit that
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  Speaker 2: I put on under my skin tight. Back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: back in the day when I used to have something
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  Speaker 2: to show off. I'd wear a little body shaper under
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  Speaker 2: my skin tight bodycon dress. And we hit the clubs.
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  Speaker 2: And my friend came over. We were all going to
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  Speaker 2: get ready together and go to the club. And she
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  Speaker 2: had on her little skin tight. Now she was maybe
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  Speaker 2: a 3X. But I still love her the same. And
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  Speaker 2: she said, Julia, look at me in this dress. I
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  Speaker 2: look like a potato. And, you know, she did. But
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  Speaker 2: we don't have to talk about that part. She just said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: can I borrow one of those body shapers? And I said,
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  Speaker 2: if you can get it on, it's yours for the night.
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  Speaker 2: And just bring it back to me whenever, if it's
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  Speaker 2: not stretched to Kalamazoo and back by the time you're
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  Speaker 2: done with it. So we went out to the club,
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  Speaker 2: we partied, whatever. She, you know, she rolled herself into it.
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  Speaker 2: It just looked like, you know, she was just... Sliding
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  Speaker 2: that body shaper over what looked like a can of
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  Speaker 2: buttermilk biscuit dough. But it all worked out in the end.
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  Speaker 2: And then she returned it to me without washing it. Now, see,
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  Speaker 2: we ended the friendship over this because that's just disrespect.
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  Speaker 2: You can't borrow somebody's body shaper. Stretch it out. To
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  Speaker 2: Kalamazoo and back over your buttermilk biscuit dough rolls. And
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  Speaker 2: then give it back to them stinking of BO sweat.
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  Speaker 2: And a crusty snail trail. In the crotch. First off
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  Speaker 2: I threw it right in the garbage. But the disrespect
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  Speaker 2: of doing that. To somebody you call your friend. And
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  Speaker 2: see I called her out on it. And she was
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  Speaker 2: like well. I thought I washed it. Oh, maybe I didn't. Oh, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: And just, like, I was just supposed to accept that? No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so, baby. It was a deliberate, premeditated
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  Speaker 2: act against me to give me the borrowed body shaper
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  Speaker 2: back with your crusty snail trail and your BO stankin'
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  Speaker 2: sweaty stank all over it. You don't do this to people,
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  Speaker 2: you know? I didn't, and it wasn't like I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to, it wasn't like I was, it was a
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  Speaker 2: big ask of her that I was, you know, can you,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say, hey, take my body shaper, take it
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  Speaker 2: to the waters of Lake Titicaca, bathe it into the
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  Speaker 2: fresh blue waters, wring it dry, hang line dry it,
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  Speaker 2: and then bring it back to me. I didn't say that. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I just said, wash it. and bring it back to me.
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  Speaker 2: If I, you know, it really made me want to
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  Speaker 2: throw her ass to the bottom of Lake Titicaca. All right,
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  Speaker 2: but knowing her, she would have just floated on the top,
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  Speaker 2: but that's besides the point. Today, we are continuing the
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  Speaker 2: case here. But before we dive in, if you love
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  Speaker 2: And if you're a long-time listener, welcome back. Today we'll
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  Speaker 2: be discussing a case full of mysteries, satanic cults, missing people,
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  Speaker 2: and of course, the CIA. So if you're ready, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to take a little journey back to the
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  Speaker 2: 1980s tonight. On November 10th, 1980, an aspiring actress named
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  Speaker 2: Valerie McDonald walked went missing in San Francisco. The investigation
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  Speaker 2: into her disappearance uncovered a truly bizarre case involving the CIA,
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  Speaker 2: a satanic cult, and maybe the strangest group of criminals
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  Speaker 2: you'll ever encounter. From the start, the details about Valerie
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's disappearance were very odd. McDonald, who was described as
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  Speaker 2: stunningly beautiful, lived in an $ 80 a month room at
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  Speaker 2: the Tower Apartments. which was possibly the sleaziest, most disgusting, rat-infested,
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  Speaker 2: scumbag motel, hotel, holiday inn you ever done seen in
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco at the time. Notorious for housing drug addicts
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  Speaker 2: and felons. It was never explained why Valerie McDonald, who
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  Speaker 2: had a master's degree and was from a well-to-do family,
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  Speaker 2: was living in such horrendous conditions. After her disappearance, police
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  Speaker 2: suspected John Gordon Abbott and Philip Arthur Thompson, who were
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  Speaker 2: the managers for the Tower Apartments. They were hardened criminals
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  Speaker 2: who'd been recently released from San Quentin, and they both
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  Speaker 2: were strangely hired as managers for the Tower Apartments. I'll
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  Speaker 2: give you maintenance man, I'll give you guy who sweeps
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  Speaker 2: stuff up outside, but managers, after both of them serving
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  Speaker 2: time in San Quentin, little bit suspicious, that'll be red
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  Speaker 2: flag number one, but, um... So the police learned that
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  Speaker 2: right before she vanished, Valerie had been told by a
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  Speaker 2: friend of this Thompson guy that he could get her
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  Speaker 2: a role in a Dustin Hoffman movie, filming locally, but
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  Speaker 2: there was no movie. It was all a lie and
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  Speaker 2: a setup, and Valerie McDonald hasn't been seen since she
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  Speaker 2: left her apartment with him to go to the fake
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  Speaker 2: movie shoot. So, police tried to question the two felons
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  Speaker 2: about Valerie McDonald's disappearance, but they had vanished until about
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  Speaker 2: a week later when Abbott was spotted at the U.S.-Canadian
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  Speaker 2: border running from something. He got into a shootout with
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  Speaker 2: police when they stopped him and an officer was shot
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  Speaker 2: and an associate of Abbott's was killed in the shootout.
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  Speaker 2: Abbott survived and he was found with Valerie McDonald's unemployment
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  Speaker 2: benefit card, voter registration card, and the leather jacket she
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  Speaker 2: was last seen wearing. Police found Thompson hiding back in California.
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  Speaker 2: In his storage unit, they found a receipt for a
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  Speaker 2: recent purchase of 11 bags of quick-dry cement. See? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and also digging equipment. Alright, so when you see this,
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  Speaker 2: is it not like obvious red flags saying, You have
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  Speaker 2: these two guys. One of them's trying to run across
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  Speaker 2: the border to Canada. The other one's buying 11 bags
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  Speaker 2: of quick dry cement and digging equipment. They got her
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  Speaker 2: unemployment benefit card. They got her voter registration card. They
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  Speaker 2: got her jacket that she was last seen wearing. But
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  Speaker 2: It's like, of course, it was them, right? Case closed.
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  Speaker 2: But no, of course, the story can't end there. So
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  Speaker 2: he's got a recent purchase of, Thompson does, a recent
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  Speaker 2: purchase of 11 bags of quick-dry cement and digging equipment.
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  Speaker 2: And between the fake movie story, Abbott being found with
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  Speaker 2: her records, and then the cement and digging equipment, It
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  Speaker 2: all pointed to the two felons being responsible for Valerie
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's disappearance. But despite a massive search, her body couldn't
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  Speaker 2: be found. And with no body... There's no way to
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  Speaker 2: bring charges against either Abbott or Costello. Just kidding, Thompson
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  Speaker 2: in this situation. The investigation became more and more intriguing
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  Speaker 2: as more was learned about Philip Arthur Thomas and John
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  Speaker 2: Gordon Abbott. Because they were two of the strangest criminals
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  Speaker 2: you'll ever encounter. Thomas had an absolutely massive criminal record
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  Speaker 2: and was convicted of a whopping 17 felonies in his
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  Speaker 2: 20s and 30s. Everything from grand theft to murder to
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  Speaker 2: kidnap to rape of a 16-year-old girl. He had it all.
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  Speaker 2: He was also said to have a near genius IQ,
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  Speaker 2: and a police investigator at the time described Thompson as
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  Speaker 2: the most interesting man he'd ever met in 22 years
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  Speaker 2: on the job. John Gordon Abbott also had a genius
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  Speaker 2: IQ level of over 160. His mother was a genetics professor,
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  Speaker 2: and his father was a major political player who served
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  Speaker 2: as the chief marketing economist for the United Nations. Abbott's
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  Speaker 2: criminal history is honestly about the most insane thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, shootouts with police, multiple attempted murders, two escapes
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  Speaker 2: from prison, just like Ted Bundy, and he had millions
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  Speaker 2: in stolen property in a, quote, arsenal of automatic rifles
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  Speaker 2: in a warehouse. Now, The two men were also planning
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  Speaker 2: possibly the most elaborate bank robbery in U.S. history. Police
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  Speaker 2: found plans with detailed maps of delivery routes, plus the
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  Speaker 2: names of bank staff and armored car drivers, and their addresses,
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  Speaker 2: social security numbers, and even the names of their children.
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  Speaker 2: All these bank staff people. And they also knew where
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  Speaker 2: they went to school, and blah blah blah, they were
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  Speaker 2: stalking these bank staff people. So the robberies would have...
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  Speaker 2: netted them tens of millions of dollars, and been potentially
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  Speaker 2: the biggest robbery in all of U.S. history. But that's
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  Speaker 2: had they been successful. Despite their extensive criminal activity, Abbott
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  Speaker 2: and Thompson had an uncanny ability to receive very, very
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  Speaker 2: light sentences, or even have their cases not make it
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  Speaker 2: to trial. How many times have we heard that, folks?
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  Speaker 2: And the one guy's dad works for the United Nations. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they were constantly arrested for murder and
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  Speaker 2: other serious crimes, yet served so little prison time, puzzled
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  Speaker 2: and frustrated police. They must live very charmed lives, one
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  Speaker 2: police sergeant commented. But their charmed lives started to make
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  Speaker 2: sense when it was learned that the two felons had
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  Speaker 2: major connections to the CIA and the FBI. After one arrest,
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  Speaker 2: Abbott's wife claimed he was working with the CIA to
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  Speaker 2: sell guns to a paramilitary group in El Salvador. And
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  Speaker 2: Thompson was involved in CIA black operations during the Vietnam War.
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  Speaker 2: When Thompson was in jail, FBI agents even approached local
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  Speaker 2: deputies about releasing him. Now, what fucking sense does it
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  Speaker 2: make that the FBI would want a hardened criminal like
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  Speaker 2: this to be released unless they were working together? In
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  Speaker 2: the 1970s, Thompson also worked for a White House group
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  Speaker 2: called the Intelligence Evaluation Committee, whose purpose was to intimidate
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  Speaker 2: radical anti-war protesters and even kidnapping protesters was discussed. Thompson
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  Speaker 2: would have been working with some very powerful people around
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  Speaker 2: this time in the FBI, and on this committee. Thompson
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  Speaker 2: even worked as a driver for Richard Nixon's presidential campaign,
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  Speaker 2: and not surprisingly, no one really knows how someone with
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  Speaker 2: such an extensive criminal history, bank robber, rapist, murderer, was
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  Speaker 2: hired to work on a presidential campaign. Well, we all
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  Speaker 2: know how that goes, even today. Ted B. Hole and
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  Speaker 2: John Wayne Gacy were involved in politics, but during the
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  Speaker 2: search for Valerie McDonald, police speculated that she had uncovered
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  Speaker 2: the group's government criminal connections and was killed because of
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  Speaker 2: what she learned. But here's the thing. More dead bodies.
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  Speaker 2: started to turn up, and police began to wonder if
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  Speaker 2: there was another, even more sinister explanation for what happened
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  Speaker 2: to Valerie. On New Year's Day 1981, around a month
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  Speaker 2: after Valerie McDonald's disappearance, The body of another young attractive
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  Speaker 2: female was found in San Francisco. She was shot twice
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  Speaker 2: in the head and three times in the chest, and strangely,
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  Speaker 2: in her pocket was Valerie McDonald's name and phone number.
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  Speaker 2: A few days before that, two more bodies had been
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  Speaker 2: found in Davis, California. A couple dubbed the Sweetheart Couple
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  Speaker 2: was found with their throats slit. The manner the sweetheart
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  Speaker 2: couple had been killed in suggested the killing was part
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  Speaker 2: of a satanic ritual, a black magic sacrifice. Investigators learned
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  Speaker 2: that Valerie McDonald had seen satanic books and a medieval
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  Speaker 2: dagger in in the men's tower apartment's room. And it
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  Speaker 2: was believed that the sweetheart couple had been killed with
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  Speaker 2: a medieval dagger. So, years later, FBI agent, you'll recognize
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  Speaker 2: this name, Ted Gunderson, remember him from the Johnny Gosch episode?
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  Speaker 2: He gained quite a bit of notoriety for investigating things
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  Speaker 2: into satanic cults and ritual killings throughout the 1980s. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Ted Gunderson, he claimed Philip Arthur Thompson and his wife
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  Speaker 2: were the high priest and priestess of a satanic cult
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  Speaker 2: in California at the time. Gunderson's revelations came years later.
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  Speaker 2: At the time, there was only speculation that Thompson and
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  Speaker 2: Abbott were into Satanism. but we didn't discover that was
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  Speaker 2: for sure until, like I said, years later. But there
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  Speaker 2: was speculation that they were into Satanism and had murdered
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  Speaker 2: these victims as part of a ritual sacrifice, but still,
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  Speaker 2: Valerie McDonald's body still hadn't been found, so there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: much of a case for murder. Until a big break
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  Speaker 2: finally happened decades later, and it suggested that this gang
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  Speaker 2: was possibly linked to even more crimes from that era.
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  Speaker 2: In 2001, skeletal remains found in Canada were identified as
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  Speaker 2: Valerie McDonald's. The location was near where Abbott got into
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  Speaker 2: the shootout with police. Despite pleas from Valerie McDonald's family,
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  Speaker 2: Abbott was never arrested for her murder. Abbott later resurfaced
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  Speaker 2: as a college professor and Japan, and years later he
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  Speaker 2: was found in New Zealand owning millions of dollars worth
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  Speaker 2: of property that he'd paid cash for. So many suspected
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  Speaker 2: that these purchases were made with money he'd stolen from
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  Speaker 2: his life of crime. Even more interesting is what became
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  Speaker 2: of Philip Thompson. In 2002, DNA found on Betty Kluwer,
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  Speaker 2: a woman raped and murdered in 1971, was tested and
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  Speaker 2: it matched to Thompson. In a groundbreaking court case, Thompson
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  Speaker 2: was convicted of the nearly 40-year-old murder in 2008. The
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  Speaker 2: investigation's lead detective believed Thompson was responsible for at least
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  Speaker 2: 8 to 10 other murders from that time. And the
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  Speaker 2: Kluwer case uncovered another very interesting connection because at the
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  Speaker 2: time of her death in 1971, it was thought that
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  Speaker 2: Betty Kluwer was a victim of the Zodiac Killer, who
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  Speaker 2: infamously claimed to have killed 37 people and terrorized the
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco area in the late 1960s, early 1970s. The
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  Speaker 2: Zodiac Killer, of course, was never identified, and with Thompson
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  Speaker 2: arrested for Kluwer's murder, online researchers began to investigate whether
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  Speaker 2: Thompson could be none other than the Zodiac Killer. Thompson
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  Speaker 2: and the Zodiac Killer were killing people in the same
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  Speaker 2: places at the same time. Thompson... was in the Bay
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  Speaker 2: Area when the Zodiac killings were happening, and Thompson was
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  Speaker 2: taking Kluwer to Lake Tahoe when he raped and murdered her.
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  Speaker 2: Tahoe was shown in one of the Zodiac's taunting letters
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  Speaker 2: to police with the inscription victim number 12. And there
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  Speaker 2: may be more to this story if we look at
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  Speaker 2: The book, Program to Kill. Now, in Program to Kill,
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  Speaker 2: Dave McGowan argues that, of course, most serial killers aren't
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  Speaker 2: psychopaths who kill because they're mentally disturbed, as they're typically depicted. No, no. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: these quote-unquote serial killings are often satanic ritual killings performed
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  Speaker 2: by groups of people. In other words, there was never
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  Speaker 2: a single Zodiac Killer. There were multiple Zodiac Killers killing people,
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  Speaker 2: not because they were mentally disturbed, but as a part
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  Speaker 2: of a satanic ritual, like I have said so many
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  Speaker 2: times in the past. So could Thompson have been one
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  Speaker 2: of the Zodiac killers? We've discussed many people who could
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  Speaker 2: have been one of the Zodiac killers, but these two
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  Speaker 2: seem to check all the program to kill boxes. He
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  Speaker 2: was extremely violent, was connected to other murders in the area,
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  Speaker 2: and was reported to be the high priest for a
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  Speaker 2: satanic cult. At the time, there were so many serial
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  Speaker 2: killers and murders happening in the San Francisco area. These
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  Speaker 2: were mostly portrayed as random, of course, random acts of
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  Speaker 2: violence with no relationship to one another, but Of course,
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  Speaker 2: you have to wonder and speculate that many of these
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  Speaker 2: serial murders were actually connected people. They were the work
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  Speaker 2: of a satanic cult, don't you forget it, killing people
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  Speaker 2: as sacrifices. And many of these serial killers from that
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  Speaker 2: era worked together. It's also interesting to note that Betty
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  Speaker 2: Kluwer was working as a drug informant when Thompson... murdered
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  Speaker 2: her in 1971. And in 1976, Thompson was arrested for
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  Speaker 2: the murder of Ronald Winter, who was scheduled to testify
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  Speaker 2: in a case regarding the theft of weapons from Mather
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  Speaker 2: Air Force Base. In other words, both these murders that
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  Speaker 2: Thompson was convicted of don't appear to be random at all.
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  Speaker 2: It appears he was getting rid of witnesses... and that
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  Speaker 2: his victims knew secrets. Now, if Thompson was indeed responsible
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  Speaker 2: for at least 8 to 10 other murders from that era,
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  Speaker 2: did those victims have secrets too? Which brings us back
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  Speaker 2: to Valerie McDonald. Was she killed as a satanic sacrifice?
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  Speaker 2: As was speculated. At the time, she was simply a
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  Speaker 2: struggling actress living in near-poverty, horrible, horrible conditions. She probably
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: was free-pussing it, didn't even have a panty drawer to
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  Speaker 2: her name. But is there more to her story? Did
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  Speaker 2: she know something she wasn't supposed to know? Because it
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  Speaker 2: appears they took out anybody who knew anything about what
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  Speaker 2: they were up to. So, this is another case of
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  Speaker 2: programmed to killage and i'm sorry this isn't a murder
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  Speaker 2: monday sometimes murders take place on not a murder monday
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  Speaker 2: it is a little bit of a missing person vanished
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  Speaker 2: and nobody knows what happened to her and then we
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  Speaker 2: found her carcass years and years later but um we
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  Speaker 2: got two two guys one of them Was in Vietnam,
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  Speaker 2: probably in the Phoenix program. One of them's dad works
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  Speaker 2: for the United Nations. They're murdering people up and down
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco. None of them's getting arrested. None of them's
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  Speaker 2: going to jail. Just bodies popping up everywhere. Probably in
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the Zodiac Killer ring. And these are two serial killers
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  Speaker 2: you never heard of. Two serial killers you never heard of.
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  Speaker 2: Involved in what? Satanic cults. Murdering people for fun. This
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  Speaker 2: story does kind of remind me of the satanic cult war.
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  Speaker 2: was his name? Oh, I did a bunch of episodes
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  Speaker 2: on him. It was a Hispanic guy. Uh, shit. Constanza
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  Speaker 2: or something like that. But, um. It's always drugs, satanic ritualism,
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  Speaker 2: serial murder. They always run hand in hand, but I
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  Speaker 2: want to know what you think of today's episode. And ladies,
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  Speaker 2: I also want to know out there, what do you
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  Speaker 2: think about getting a good old breeze on your nether feather?
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  Speaker 2: Are you wearing panty drawers or not? I, me, myself,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to know because I'm a huge advocate.
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  Speaker 2: Of the panty drawer. Just for no other reason. Just
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the protective aspect of it. But it's kind of like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: that Forrest Gump scene. You know, I was just born
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  Speaker 2: with big gums. After you have a baby, if you
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  Speaker 2: ain't wearing an undergarment to keep that shit zipped up,
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  Speaker 2: you might get a lip caught in a trip wire
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  Speaker 2: or something. You just never know. Things be sagging, things
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  Speaker 2: be changed down there. But R.I.P. Valerie McDonald. She sounds
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  Speaker 2: like a lovely lady whose life was stolen way too soon.
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  Speaker 2: But if you enjoyed today's episode, go ahead and comment,
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  Speaker 2: ladies out there, whether or not you wear panty drawers
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  Speaker 2: every day. And you can also leave Terror Tower in
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  Speaker 2: the comments section if you enjoyed today's episode. But that's
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  Speaker 2: what I got for you today, folks. Thanks for being here.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Thank you for being supporters of the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: 2026 Route 666 Halloween extravaganza. Take care of yourselves out there.
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  Speaker 2: And I will catch you on the next one. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a creep.