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#41: Purpose Over Profit: A Conscious Awakening to Do More Good as the Stakes Rise — Jay Wilkinson · Love Conquers Fear

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  I will say just from my own experiences, through meditation,
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  through breath work and through plant medicine, we are
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  genetically nearly identical, every human on this planet.
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  We are all connected in every way possible.
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  I am firmly ensconced in my belief that humans are going to
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  figure this out, that we are resilient, dynamic, magnificent
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  creatures that are going to figure out this major transition
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  that we have to go through. I think it's going to be very
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  painful. There will be big losses, lots
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  of destruction in ways that we probably don't even understand.
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  At the end of it all, I am firm in my belief that humanity will
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  win and we will have abundance for all.
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  Welcome back everybody to the Love Conquers Fear podcast.
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  I am so excited about Michael Pollan's new book that's coming
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  out. He's really been promoting it
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  heavily at this point. It's called A World Appears.
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  It comes out as of this recording in a couple of weeks.
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  It looks amazing. He just did a New York Times
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  interview on a podcast called The Interview.
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  He's one of my favorite authors and has really done a lot for
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  the movement towards the understanding of consciousness
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  and including psychedelics. He wrote How to Change Your
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  Mind. That's one of my favorite books
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  and documentaries. It's an amazing documentary on
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  Netflix. I always recommend it to people
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  that are curious about psychedelics because he really
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  covers it in a very balanced way, takes you through the whole
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  history and he's just a amazing human being.
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  And what a World Appears is about is about consciousness.
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  It's about this exploration of consciousness and this really is
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  the big topic. If you think about, you know,
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  last year, and I've covered this on the podcast, you had Dan
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  Brown, the author of the Da Vinci Code come out with the
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  secret of secrets. That's a book that's deeply
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  about non local consciousness, meaning that consciousness is
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  his fundamental property of the universe.
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  That our brains receive in some way like antennas.
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  And remember that two things can be true at the same time.
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  You can both receive and manifest.
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  If you have a damaged brain, you're going to see if
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  consciousness differently. You probably already know as a
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  watcher of this that human beings see about 5% of
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  observable reality as it is. There are a lot of animals like
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  bats that see all different types of things.
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  They navigate with echolocation, different animals can see the
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  magnetic poles, they can see infrared.
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  You know, you know, we're, we're very limited in this, what we
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  can see in this reality. And you know, this is a really
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  important topic and it's and it's growing more and more.
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  You know, last year, outside of the secret of secrets, you have
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  the Telepte tape season 2 ended at the end of 2025.
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  Amazing season really goes into all forms of consciousness.
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  You had Anika Harris, who's Sam Harris's spouse, who wrote
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  Lights on. It's an audio only book, a
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  phenomenal, phenomenal book about the exploration of
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  different theories on consciousness.
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  And she concludes at the end of it that consciousness is
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  fundamental. So this is really the topic that
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  that continues to play out there.
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  And as I've said many times before, I really think that this
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  is this is happening as a synchronicity.
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  It's very Celestine Prophecy, you know, a great book by James
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  Redfield. Highly recommend you read that
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  one because you'll start to see synchronicities every day in
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  your life. But you know, this is this is
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  happening for a reason. And it's happening because we're
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  in this AI moment. And we'll unpack that a lot with
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  with my guest today. Really excited to welcome Jay
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  Wilkinson to the podcast. So Jay is you're the founder and
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  chairman of Do More Good. And you, you know, you're, I
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  guess, JD Messenger's boss, I'd say, because he's the executive
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  director of. No one that.
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  Right, But you know, super excited about the conference we
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  have coming up. But, and, and the fact that, you
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  know, your firm is publishing Love Conquers Fear the book.
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  Why don't we just talk about do more good and how you got to
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  that point in your life. You know, I've been involved in
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  the conscious capitalism movement for years.
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  So it was a real natural thing for for for me to get involved
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  in this. And I'm looking forward to being
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  one of your keynotes at the conference and talking about
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  Love Conquers fear. We are beyond excited, beyond
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  excited to have you there. Yeah.
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  I, it's, it's hard for me to pin down what really led to the
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  creation, the original idea behind what the do more good
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  movement is about. No, I'll, I'll share more
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  context in that, but it likely came from two things.
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  One, there was a study done maybe 10 years ago now by
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  someone from NYU. And what they revealed is that
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  the average person in the world, and in America in particular, 35
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  years of age and younger, as they've watched media,
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  television, Netflix, all the things, more than 85% of the
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  depictions of business people, leaders, managers, owners are
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  evil, negative. They're, they're, they're
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  taking, not giving. And so there, it's no wonder why
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  so many young people have this perception that capitalism is
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  evil. It's what's causing problems.
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  No, it's not a surprise. And I remember that study and,
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  and researching and thinking, we have to do something about
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  changing the narrative about what business can and does do
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  for the world, because capitalism is not the problem.
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  Now the type of capitalism that manifests in today's world where
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  there is all kinds of, of, of problems, which we, we, you
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  know, I don't think we need to spend our time there.
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  Kind of the problems of putting profit over people.
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  Profit over people and. Jason Carp talked about in
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  episode. 3 Nepotism all, all the things, there's, there's so many
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  things, but capitalism, I believe and, and what we believe
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  that the Do More Good movement is the greatest tool that
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  humanity has ever invented for creating economic empowerment
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  and for solving the world's biggest problems.
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  But, but we have to be focused on the kind of capitalism that
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  serves all of the stakeholders, which is what conscious
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  capitalism is about and all the other frameworks that, that,
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  that we work with and, and that we partner with.
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  So that study is one thing. The I, I think the real seed,
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  though, was planted for me when I was a kid.
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  I had a, my grandmother lived to be 103 years old.
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  Her name was Esther, and she is like the most remarkable
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  influence on my life. I remember going over to the
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  moving and storage company that she ran.
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  She actually took over her father, my grandfather's, my
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  great grandfather's business. It's a moving and storage
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  company in 1919. She was, at that time, she was
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  18 years old when her father died.
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  And she's the one that stepped in to help run the company.
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  And when I was a child growing up, I would go over and hang out
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  with her on the loading docks. And it was all men that worked
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  for her because it was a, you know, it was a really difficult
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  industry. And I remember her like the way
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  she would hold court in her office and the way she tended to
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  all of these, these men, she knew everything about them.
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  She knew their wives and girlfriends and children and
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  pets and the way she connected with people and the way she
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  treated people was, was, was just something that has never
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  been lost on me. The town I grew up in in central
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  Nebraska was on the Union Pacific Railroad.
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  And it became one of the, one of the busiest intersections along
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  the Union Pacific. And so there were lots of people
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  coming through on the, on the passenger trains back in the
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  day. And there was a point in time
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  like happened all over America with the racial riots there.
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  There was a a black man that was that was chased out of town
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  because he purportedly, you know, had had some kind of
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  advance towards this white woman.
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  This happened in communities all across America in the 20s and
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  30s. But when this happened in North
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  Platte, there was a like an angry mob of men that went
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  around from door to door and went to every black person's
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  home and said, if you're not out of town by the time the sun
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  comes up, you're not going to be alive to see the sun.
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  And so I always wondered when I was growing up, why there were
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  so few black people in our community.
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  Might. And then my grandmother shares
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  the story. And what I, what I learned from
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  her is that she, she packed up, she sent her teams or crew into
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  all of not all, but many of their houses, gathered all of
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  their belongings and, and had them sent off to Denver or
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  Omaha, whatever direction they went and didn't charge them for
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  it. She didn't tell people about it
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  because she was afraid of what the mob would do to her for
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  helping people. But just the way that she moved
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  through the world and the way that she tended to people and
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  took care of people, she was like the original stakeholder
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  capitalist, at least in my world.
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  That's incredible. And.
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  Incredible, I have that type of example.
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  Yeah, I I'll never forget the lessons from her.
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  So I think that's where the seed that it was planted for.
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  Me, well, I'm, I'm a huge believer in capitalism,
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  especially conscious capitalism. That's, that's something I've
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  practiced since I've been 24 years old as an entrepreneur.
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  And you know the, some of the best defenses I've seen of
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  capitalism. Actually, we're on this podcast,
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  Alexander Makoben, who was the CEO of conscious capitalism that
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  John Mackay and I helped land to, to be the CEO.
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  He's now the CEO of Liberty Ventures.
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  He's on episode 19. That's a phenomenal episode on
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  it. John Mackey was on episode 30
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  and and and really gave a great defense of it.
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  But you know, the best book to read on this subject in my
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  opinion, outside of the conscious capitalism book is is
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  Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker.
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  Just the chapter on inequality alone is worth the price of the
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  book because it'll really reframe, you know, the way that
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  you look at things just as you look at the arc of history.
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  But, you know, we deal with abundance right now that we
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  couldn't imagine 100 years ago, 200 years ago.
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  I had a Peter Wang on the podcast recently and Peter, you
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  know, said, hey, you don't have to go back that far.
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  He he moved to America from Wuhan and he was like in the
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  80s, it was pretty squalor, you know, in terms of all the things
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  he he dealt with. And so that that episode will
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  either be out or will come out, you know, shortly after this
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  one. So you know, it, it, it really
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  is true that capitalism is this it incredible invention of
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  humanity that have lifted literally billions of people out
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  of starvation, out of poverty. And I think that this AI moment
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  is this forcing function to make capitalism much more conscious
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  overall. And that's one of the things I'm
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  super excited about in terms of in terms of the the time that
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  we're living in right now. And I, I would say that the work
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  you're doing with the podcast and, and, and the book and all
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  the things that are coming out around the work you're doing is
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  straight down the center, exactly what the world needs at
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  this moment. You know, the, I think if you
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  think about the old expression that the macrocosm is a, is a
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  reflection of the microcosm. You know, we, we masquerade as
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  this organization that, that helps companies transform.
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  And the reality is all of our work is helping individuals
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  within companies, the leaders of companies transform because it's
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  the reflection of that and the, and the embodiment of the
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  transformation that individuals have that make conscious
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  companies. It's, it's, it's not something
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  that you can just build outside of changing the leaders within,
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  you know, so the, the, the work that you're doing and the, and
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  the, the, the amazing. I, I can't imagine a better
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  learning track for any human today other than to listen to
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  love conquers fear. Just go back to episode 1 and
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  just start charting through. No thanks.
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  And, and you're going to learn what you need to know about
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  where where the world is going. Well, thanks.
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  Thanks so much. I mean, I'm definitely doing my
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  best. It's as you know, this my soul
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  song, this is the embodiment of my soul and this fiscality and,
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  and really trying to get humanity to have that heart
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  shift so that we make it to this, this age that we can't
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  even imagine today. But we're talking about, you
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  know, the end of disease. We're talking about, you know,
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  food abundance that we can't imagine.
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  We're talking about abundance in places like Chad where the GDP
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  is $660 a person versus our, you know, 86,000 here in America.
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  You know, they're, they're struggling with just, you know,
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  clean water, electricity, you know, all the basics, housing,
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  you know, healthcare. And we create abundance in a
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  place like Chad. We can create it anywhere in the
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  world. And and that's, that's, that's
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  the moment that we're in. And, you know, the book is an
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  incredibly ambitious project. You know, we'll get into into
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  the book, but maybe just talking about the conference we have
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  coming up, which I'm super excited about, you know, let's
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  talk about that like your your vision for the conference.
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  I know we've collaborated on this a lot.
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  Yeah. Well, thank you.
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  And, and which, which, which number is this in terms of how
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  many years is it? This is our 7th year, 7th year.
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  We started in 2019 by number, right.
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  And that's your divine number. That's why you're here this
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  year. This is absolutely right.
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  I didn't know that until until this moment.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's so cool. The, the, the conference is the
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  ROYYWHY And it really the, the intention behind the conference
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  is to bring together people who are invigorated and enlightened
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  by the, the mindset of putting consciousness into business and
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  to developing conscious leaders. And so we have entrepreneurs
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  and, and emerging leaders. A lot of people from the
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  networks of like YPO and EO attend the conference and their
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  their vision and what they get out of it is this community of
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  like minded souls that are like on fire about how to use
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  business to make the world more sane and, and like to, to
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  improve the status of the world in every way possible.
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  And it really emanated from the the first conference was on the
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  heels of the, the first wave of research we did.
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  I started doing research. I thought I was going to write a
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  book on company culture. This was all the way back to
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  2013 fourteen. I did a a Ted X talk that had
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  more than 1,000,000 views, was getting all kinds of hits and
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  people were asking me to speak and talk about company culture.
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  And I thought I was going to write a book on culture.
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  And what I did is I started interviewing companies and their
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  leaders who have been selected by someone as the best place to
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  work. You know, there are hundreds of
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  these different best place to work categories.
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  And so we got these, these leaders of those companies and
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  did went through a, a research rubric with them and we saw
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  these, these trends just emerging.
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  It was so clear, the data was so clear that, that, that, that we
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  built an entire mindset around them and that they became the
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  mindsets of the do more good movement.
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  And the thing that really makes our conference and our movement
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  unique is that we're not trying to invent or create anything.
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  It's already out there and the brilliance of John Mackey and
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  and Raj and all the people that are part of the conscious
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  capitalism movement. Our goal is to get that in front
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  of people. The challenge is, is not is not
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  the creation of the systems and the process and the recognition
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  of what needs to be done. The challenge is getting in
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  front of entrepreneurs and business owners and giving them
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  a pathway forward so that they can understand what they need to
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  do to evolve and change. So that's what we focus on is
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  we're, we're on front lines working with business owners and
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  entrepreneurs. And those aren't, aren't always
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  the same thing, as you know, working with business owners and
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  entrepreneurs, helping them find a path that allows them to
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  evolve their business so that it serves all of the stakeholders.
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  And at the conference will be immersed with not just the
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  speakers and, and our faculty and our thought leaders that are
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  doing this work will be immersed with other practitioners who are
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  doing this work, right. People like Maranoka from from
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  Florida, who in the last couple of years has transitioned her
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  company to be entirely employee owned and it's changed the lives
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  of dozens and dozens of people. And Carrie Siggins from Stone
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  Age, who LED her company to become an ESOP and her goal, her
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  stated goal is to create a path forward where, where the company
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  can be, where, where the company can be credited with creating
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  1000 millionaires. That's her goal.
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  And I, I just love these kind of people that are, that are doing
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  the work and then sharing, you know, their, their, their path
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  and their stories. And that's what we'll be
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  focusing on at the conference. That's awesome, making that all
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  tangible so we can learn how to get there.
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  Yeah. And.
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  Imani Carson is also absolutely right the the.
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  Speaker line up about a great. Synchronicity that he's on he's
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  he's on cover of forums. Right now, yeah, just just
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  published 48 hours ago. And he'll be he'll be speaking
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  for sure. And Omani has been a great
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  steward of the movement. We have the the speakers are
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  just remarkable. Stephen Post if you, if you
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  don't know Stephen post work, he's the one that is, is putting
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  the science behind love and making it accessible for the
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  average business leader in, in terms of understanding that
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  it's, it's not just a buzzword. It's, it's, it's way more than
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  than simply just saying, Oh, well, it's this mystical thing
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  that we have to implement. He, he has in his keynote, he's
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  going to be sharing the science behind how introducing love into
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  a company's fabric. It it doesn't.
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  It's not really so much about making the company more
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  successful. It's about making it possible so
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  that the company cannot fail. And he's got tons of science
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  that backs up how how significant love is and can be
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  to the durability and the sustainability and the
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  scalability of a company. It's been my whole.
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  Career as an entrepreneur, it's all about manifesting love and
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  you know, shout out to to my mom who you know, got me my first
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  computer at age 7. Put put that passion in my
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  heart. Let me do it without prejudice.
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  Just gave me unconditional love all the way through where most
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  people were telling her I was ruining my life and or she was
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  ruining my life and in not knowing how to do anything else,
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  you know, and, and what's the thematic of this year's
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  conference? So.
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  Because the, the book that you're that you're going to be
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  releasing soon and, and because of your focus that we're
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  actually using Love conquers fear.
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  And then a second tagline of together we rise because it's
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  about it's it's about finding community that helps strengthen
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  us in our resolve to take the steps we need to to manifest a
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  different reality for our business and for capitalism.
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  Have you seen the? Latest cover for the book I have
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  it's. Absolutely.
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  Can't wait for everyone to see it.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's all about rising together.
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  It's about rising together. Well, I'm.
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  I'm super excited about it and I'm super excited to be one of
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  the keynotes there. And you know, this, this book,
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  this is my third book. It's the first one where I've
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  ever worked with a publisher. And it's real honor to work with
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  you guys and JD Messenger and Phil and Jorge and the whole
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  team there. You know, Laurie is really
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  exceptional. You know, the, the, the, I'll be
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  talking about the book at the conference and, and really just
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  about the movement and the arc of the book is 1 where, you
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  know, obviously I have the introduction.
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  And in the introduction, I I talk about the event that you
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  and I met at and it was the event that you go to annually
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  called GOT or Game of Titans. And Randy was one of the Randy
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  Cohen who's the founder and CEO of Ticketmaster, not
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  Ticketmaster. A ticket city would be would be
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  even more impressive. Ticketmaster.
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  Randy's such a good such a good friend here in Austin.
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  He actually dropped everything when I was taking bizarre voice
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  public to be there with me for the opening of NASDAQ.
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  And that was a moment we'll never forget together.
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  But he invited me to speak, and that was back in May.
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  And it was, it was the first time I had ever given a long
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  format speech of what I called the hard problem of
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  consciousness in this accelerating age of AI, robotics
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  and quantum computing. And I later added on to that
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  because of someone at the event Brain Computer Interfaces,
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  because he said, you know, you're really missing on this
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  theme. And this is also going to touch
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  so many things. And he was absolutely right.
• 22:35
  And he turned me on to this, this novel, I think it's called
• 22:40
  More than the Than the Sun and the Stars by Adam Dorr.
• 22:45
  And it's about the power of brain computer interfaces and
• 22:49
  what, what could potentially happen with that over this
• 22:53
  fictional story. But it's, but it's a really,
• 22:55
  it's a really cool story. I really enjoyed listening to
• 22:58
  that. And, and I was like, that's
• 23:01
  right, I need to pay more attention to that trend.
• 23:03
  But the thing that really struck me at that conference at MIT was
• 23:09
  afterwards, after giving this talk for about an hour and a
• 23:13
  half, which people can actually find on the Love Conquers Fear
• 23:16
  YouTube channel. And it's referenced in the book
• 23:19
  as well. An introduction is that I spent
• 23:23
  hours talking with people after that.
• 23:26
  And it really and, and the same thing happened in a shorter
• 23:30
  version of the talk, like a 15 minute version, which is also
• 23:34
  on, on, on YouTube. When I was in Necker, just about
• 23:38
  a month and a half before talking about the same thing.
• 23:42
  Afterwards, people were thanking me for being so open about
• 23:48
  talking about spirituality. Like people did not expect that
• 23:51
  turn from a technologist and a capitalist.
• 23:54
  Like, you know, there's this dogmatic separation, which I
• 23:57
  think leads to a lot of suffering in the world, which is
• 24:01
  completely unnecessary. You know, like I was talking
• 24:04
  about consciousness and the opening and, and Michael
• 24:07
  Pollan's new book coming out. You know, it was, you would have
• 24:11
  been cancelled like 1020 years ago just for saying you wanted
• 24:15
  to study consciousness, which there's nothing in the human
• 24:18
  experience without without consciousness.
• 24:21
  And so that was like this light bulb moment for me.
• 24:24
  And that's where you and I became friends.
• 24:26
  That was actually the first time we met.
• 24:28
  And it was just like this instant connection we had.
• 24:30
  We spent hours talking there and, and I'm really thankful of
• 24:35
  our friendship. And, you know, I, I, I had this
• 24:38
  opportunity with, with, with other publishers, but I really
• 24:42
  wanted to go with someone that gets me that, you know, the
• 24:46
  synchronicity was already playing out from MIT on and here
• 24:51
  we are. So it's, it's a big honor.
• 24:53
  But at the conference itself, just to talk a little bit about
• 24:57
  the overall arc of the book, you know, I start out with the
• 25:02
  introduction, then chapter 1 is on fear defining what, what fear
• 25:08
  is, what I mean by that. Why do we have it?
• 25:12
  You know, how our brains are wired, how we're constantly
• 25:14
  being programmed to be in a fear state that is very much putting
• 25:19
  profits over people, the antithesis of, you know,
• 25:21
  conscious capitalism or doing, doing more good through
• 25:24
  capitalism. And, and so, so I, so I
• 25:29
  basically break that down in a really comprehensive chapter on
• 25:34
  fear. I mean, I, I've, I've read lots
• 25:35
  and lots of books on the soul quest I've been on.
• 25:38
  I, I think this is the most comprehensive chapter I ever
• 25:42
  read on fear. And then chapter 2 is on
• 25:45
  abundance. And what I mean by abundance for
• 25:48
  all, Like, why should we believe that that's possible?
• 25:52
  Then Part 2 of the book applies those models to all the biggest
• 25:57
  problems in the world from the geopolitical problems that
• 26:02
  clearly we have around the world that need to be transcended.
• 26:07
  The problem of healthcare, you know, the problem of education,
• 26:13
  the problem of climate change and energy.
• 26:16
  And what are we, what are we doing around that?
• 26:19
  A A topic I've talked about a lot on this podcast is the
• 26:23
  problem of nuclear weapons and warfare and how are we going to
• 26:26
  transcend that? And throughout those chapters,
• 26:32
  I, I breakdown like here's here's the root of the problem.
• 26:35
  And here's how we can transcend this.
• 26:38
  Here's models for us to effectively transcend this and
• 26:42
  evolve is, is humanity. You know, we're 99.9%
• 26:46
  genetically identical all around the world and, and, and we are
• 26:50
  all one. And you know, I've seen that
• 26:54
  through, through, through psychedelic experiences as well
• 26:57
  as meditation. And that's, that's part of the
• 27:01
  insight into it. And all of the spiritual texts
• 27:04
  talk about that. Doesn't matter if it's the Bible
• 27:06
  or it's the Daal, the chain, or it's the Bhagavad Gita or, you
• 27:10
  know, Buddhism, etcetera. That, that, that, that is the
• 27:14
  actual nature of a reality. And you know, spirituality is,
• 27:18
  is infused throughout the entire book and that leads to Part 3 of
• 27:24
  the book, which is how do we transform?
• 27:27
  And the chapter that is my personal favorite.
• 27:30
  Everybody's going to have their, their personal favorite in the
• 27:32
  book, But my personal favorite is chapter 12 on what is our
• 27:37
  reality. Because wow, that was a, a tough
• 27:40
  one to write because it's really the distillation of over 55
• 27:44
  books I've read in the last 14 months, You know, really trying
• 27:48
  to decode what is our reality, which as you know, from my
• 27:52
  science fiction novella, The Lattice, like even by 2085, we,
• 27:56
  we fully haven't decoded it or, or the nature of God, you know,
• 28:00
  whatever people want to view as God.
• 28:03
  I always use that, that word in journey.
• 28:06
  So that, that is the word that I use.
• 28:10
  But you know, people caught out the great intelligence of the
• 28:12
  universe or consciousness, whatever it is, it's rooted in
• 28:15
  love and it wants us to make it. And then the, the book I, I
• 28:20
  talk, I talk very openly about my own transformation.
• 28:24
  And then the book concludes with, with new models for
• 28:28
  humanity in terms of case studies on why people should
• 28:32
  believe that we can do it, because to want humanity to
• 28:36
  transcend and know that we need this.
• 28:39
  You know, as I've talked about on this podcast, this is God's
• 28:42
  final exam for humanity. It's the forcing function to get
• 28:45
  us to wake up and unify and you know, 95% certain than we do.
• 28:52
  And it's, it's really a existential moment for us to do
• 28:56
  so. Like we cannot play the 0 sum
• 28:58
  games with technology as powerful as we're manifesting.
• 29:03
  We're just barely over three years into the launch of Chachi
• 29:07
  PT and, you know, entropics even younger than that, you know,
• 29:10
  entropics clawed and these models are going from strength
• 29:14
  to strength to strength. And there's all these moments
• 29:16
  already happening with AI agents.
• 29:19
  You know, the malt book example where people like, Oh my gosh,
• 29:21
  they're conscious. And it's like, I find that
• 29:25
  interesting. But I also think, wow, you think
• 29:31
  so cheaply of human consciousness that you're
• 29:33
  already just because these things are good at mimicking
• 29:36
  consciousness. You know, people like Mustafa
• 29:38
  Suleiman who is in charge of everything AI at Microsoft and
• 29:42
  Co founder of of DeepMind, you know, alongside Demisysibis
• 29:46
  who's in charge of everything AI at Google.
• 29:49
  Mustafa is like talking about the seemingly consciousness
• 29:53
  moment like that. These are not conscious.
• 29:55
  They're just great mimicking machines and they're amazing.
• 29:58
  I mean, I'm a huge, huge fan of AI.
• 30:01
  So, you know, the ability for us to manifest abundance has never
• 30:06
  been more at hand than it is now.
• 30:10
  And the ability for companies to be much more efficient and
• 30:14
  creative is incredible. Like, there's, there's, there's,
• 30:18
  there's a lot of knowledge that needs to be unpacked on that, on
• 30:23
  that point. And I've unpacked a lot of that
• 30:25
  knowledge on the podcast and and I'm also doing a workshop at the
• 30:29
  Yeah, I was going to would you? Dig a little deeper in the
• 30:31
  workshop Steven Post is doing. One too, right?
• 30:33
  And Steven Post. Is doing 1 as well, but I'd love
• 30:35
  to hear more about like the application of this and how how
• 30:39
  you're going to construct the the workshop yeah the.
• 30:42
  Workshop is is is really cool. This is the first of its kind
• 30:47
  I'm doing, you know, really the, the VIN itself is a, is a book
• 30:51
  launch of sorts for me at least personally and for for you guys
• 30:57
  as as the publisher and you know, the workshop itself is, is
• 31:04
  unpacking two sides of the love conquers fear theme.
• 31:11
  The 1st is for us as leaders to allow love to conquer fear in
• 31:18
  our companies. We have to do that in our
• 31:21
  journey ourselves. Like if we are broken, then that
• 31:26
  brokenness gets translated in the company.
• 31:30
  And so I'm going to unpack a lot of ways that I've done that, a
• 31:35
  lot of journeys that I've been on from studying Vedanta to All
• 31:40
  Tight. And that was a long time ago for
• 31:42
  me, really made a mark on me. It was a white PO trip actually,
• 31:47
  where where I went to study under Samaji Parthasarathi and
• 31:51
  right outside of Pune in India. And Vedanta is really this, this
• 31:58
  practice where it's all about gaining mastery over the mind,
• 32:02
  that the mind left ungoverned is like a child constantly worry
• 32:05
  about the past, constantly being anxious about the future.
• 32:08
  And you'll just completely miss the only moment that matters,
• 32:11
  which is this present moment right here, you know, the
• 32:15
  eternal present. And, and, and so I'm going to
• 32:19
  talk about like what that journey has been like for me,
• 32:22
  how you know, for me, psychedelics have been a tool,
• 32:25
  you know, for a lot of people, meditation has been a has been a
• 32:29
  tool. I also meditate.
• 32:32
  And so really in the workshop, lead by example.
• 32:36
  But the big thing is get other people talking about how they
• 32:39
  allowed love to conquer their fear.
• 32:42
  Because if we if we just looked at it as an inner journey
• 32:46
  individually, and every human being had the inner journey that
• 32:51
  allowed them to conquer their own fear and manifest more love
• 32:55
  in the world, I would be 100% certain we're going to make it.
• 32:58
  Yeah, like then we make it. And you know, we've talked about
• 33:02
  that on this podcast. One of the one of the great
• 33:04
  episodes on that topic was episode 11 with with one of my
• 33:09
  best friends, Byron Reese, a great author on on the path to
• 33:14
  utopia. Like he's 100% certain we make
• 33:16
  it right. And he talks a lot about just
• 33:18
  everyday acts of kindness. Part 2 of the workshop is going
• 33:24
  to be specifically then how do you help others do that?
• 33:29
  And as an entrepreneur now since I was 24 and as someone who has
• 33:37
  built six companies, all of which the ones that I raised
• 33:42
  money for have, which have been the last three have been named
• 33:47
  best places to work over and over again.
• 33:50
  The the most successful today was Bizarre Voice, which had
• 33:54
  over a billion dollar IPO and was rated the number one company
• 33:58
  in Austin when it was small than medium than large.
• 34:01
  I think it's only a company in Austin's history.
• 34:03
  All three categories to win all three of those categories and
• 34:07
  you could just feel the love in the company.
• 34:11
  And there were very specific things that I did there that
• 34:15
  carried on into into a data dot world, which was named the best
• 34:19
  place to work every year or since its inception all the way
• 34:23
  up until the acquisition by ServiceNow, which is also one of
• 34:26
  the top rated places to work, which that that was acquired on
• 34:29
  7/7. My divine member, you know, the
• 34:32
  there were just so many acts at bizarre voice that I'm going to
• 34:35
  I'm going to talk about at the conference and at dated art
• 34:39
  world. But you know, sometimes it was
• 34:42
  really small things. It was the IT was introducing
• 34:46
  books like tribes by Seth Godin. When that book came out, I read
• 34:52
  it and I thought, wow, this is a phenomenal read for every
• 34:56
  employee. And there was a part of me, to
• 35:00
  be honest with you, that felt a little bit uncomfortable with
• 35:03
  it. And that was because of fear.
• 35:07
  Like there was this essentially, it was about trusting your
• 35:11
  people to do the right thing and trusting them to create tribes
• 35:17
  that would benefit the company. And So what I thought is I
• 35:21
  thought, hey, this discomfort is actually like a really good
• 35:24
  thing for me to overcome and introduce this, this book into
• 35:30
  the culture. So I, I, I said, everybody in
• 35:34
  the company have read this amazing book.
• 35:36
  I'd love to get together and discuss it for anybody that
• 35:40
  would like to read it with me, please, you know, respond, we'll
• 35:44
  get you a copy of the book and you'll be a part of this
• 35:46
  workshop. We'll do together.
• 35:48
  And the workshop itself. A lot of the cultural standard
• 35:53
  bearer showed up. It was about 30 people and and
• 35:57
  and at that time, if you'd asked me to hand pick the people that
• 36:01
  really set the cultural tone ad bizarre voice, it was it was
• 36:04
  those people and they got so much out of the book.
• 36:09
  My main job there was to more be a facilitator and have them tell
• 36:15
  stories about the book. And I waited until the end
• 36:18
  because they didn't want to overlay and say, well, here all
• 36:21
  the things I didn't want to set the tone in in that way.
• 36:24
  I didn't want to be the CEO said, well, here's what I got
• 36:28
  out of and then and then then feel this need to mimic me or
• 36:31
  anything like that. And so I waited until the very
• 36:35
  end. And I said, OK, Full disclosure,
• 36:39
  This is why I wanted you to read this book.
• 36:41
  I said, first of all, I just got a lot more out of the book from
• 36:47
  your comments. I said, secondly, I would love
• 36:51
  for you to act on the mantra in the book Start your tribes.
• 36:57
  I trust you to do it. You know, with full respect in
• 37:02
  the company. And don't even ask your manager
• 37:05
  like like this is not something where you ask for permission.
• 37:08
  You're in a different type of company.
• 37:10
  This is not a big company where you have to be fearful of asking
• 37:13
  for permission. And, and, and my bet is that you
• 37:19
  doing that will create a much better culture for the company.
• 37:22
  This is back when we were about maybe 100 people.
• 37:25
  We grew to be 150 people by the time of IPO.
• 37:29
  And I said, I, I bet you that there will be situations in this
• 37:34
  talent or where at a minimum it'll be the reason people join
• 37:39
  us. Oh my gosh, that was so right.
• 37:42
  There was just like so many clubs that got started these,
• 37:46
  these tribes, there's like a wake boarding club.
• 37:48
  They would meet in the morning at 5:00 AM because the lake in
• 37:51
  Austin was totally glassy. Then, you know, and then they'd,
• 37:54
  they'd get to work, you know, around 7:30 or so after having
• 37:58
  like a beautiful start to the day and just on and on and on.
• 38:03
  And, and part of the way I encouraged even more as ACEO is
• 38:08
  I would show up at, at like there was the the art Tribe and
• 38:12
  they had art shows that would start right after work, right,
• 38:15
  right around 6:00 PM or so. And I just went in.
• 38:19
  I've, I've always been very appreciative of great art.
• 38:23
  I'm not someone that can do that myself, although I can do it
• 38:27
  better now with AI or IT. Makes it a lot better, but.
• 38:30
  I would go into these and I truly was just blown away by the
• 38:36
  creativity and I would walk around to every piece and just
• 38:40
  very authentically talk about how amazed I was about these
• 38:44
  pieces. And that set this tone where
• 38:48
  it's like even more, you know, of this these types of tribes
• 38:53
  started. And so I can tell a lot of
• 38:55
  stories like that at the workshop and I will.
• 38:58
  But again, the point is to get more people telling those types
• 39:02
  of stories. So we're going to have, we're
• 39:03
  going to have breakouts where people really get together and
• 39:07
  share those types of stories and then get people to tell the best
• 39:12
  of so that we all learn from each other and ultimately
• 39:16
  create, you know, start to create this movement of love,
• 39:20
  conquering fear. Because it's every spiritual
• 39:23
  tradition. It is the reality that we're
• 39:26
  actually in is that, you know, the in Christianity, it's the
• 39:30
  Kingdom of God is found within. But that's, you know, I'm, I'm
• 39:33
  Jewish, like tikkun Alam. I mean, it's all all through all
• 39:37
  the religions, It's all the same that this is the way that
• 39:40
  humanity transcends. And so doing this at, at do more
• 39:44
  good. It's going to be a real honor to
• 39:46
  do and I'm sure we'll learn a lot from that workshop.
• 39:50
  I'll sure, I'm sure we'll manifest a lot of love.
• 39:52
  And as a result, people walk out of there with a tremendous
• 39:57
  amount of energy and ideas about how to be better leaders and
• 40:02
  frankly, a, a really much more whole human being.
• 40:06
  Because one of the things that I've noticed, I'm sure you would
• 40:09
  agree with this, because I know you've walked a spiritual path
• 40:12
  as well. Is the more you walk that path
• 40:15
  individually, you, you, you can't imagine the level of
• 40:19
  happiness that gives you, You know, that is the, that, that is
• 40:23
  the, the, the, the Kingdom of God is found within.
• 40:27
  And as a result, there's just so many things in my life that I
• 40:30
  really, I really bare my soul and my book that have just
• 40:35
  fallen away from me that just don't have any power over me
• 40:39
  anymore. Like, I've never been an
• 40:41
  alcoholic, but I just don't have interest, you know, and that
• 40:45
  came from the spiritual path. I mean, for me, it was, it was
• 40:50
  not something I was looking for because again, it, it, you know,
• 40:56
  I don't have an addictive type of personality.
• 40:59
  And you know, alcoholism is something that is a genetic,
• 41:03
  like actual issue for people, which is tough to transcend.
• 41:09
  But I've never had that type of thing.
• 41:12
  But it was for me that actually came out of a journey.
• 41:15
  Like it was in this journey where I was looking down at, at
• 41:19
  myself and the words that came out of my mouth.
• 41:23
  It was only 10 seconds of like being in a journey for 3 1/2 to
• 41:26
  4 hours said you have an important mission.
• 41:29
  You're just poisoning yourself. You don't need this socially
• 41:34
  anymore. And, and that just totally
• 41:37
  killed the taste for me. Yeah.
• 41:38
  And it was the. Inherent wisdom that already
• 41:41
  lived in your cell and in your well lived in.
• 41:43
  My soul at least yeah yeah yeah definitely, which which is which
• 41:47
  is also you right There's there's there's the there's the
• 41:51
  kind of the ego self and then there's the soul self yeah has
• 41:55
  been talked about in so many books including including the
• 41:58
  Bhagavad Gita so yeah. So I'm super excited about,
• 42:02
  about the whole conference and even more special for me to, to,
• 42:06
  to learn that it's #7 #7. Yeah, it's going to be amazing.
• 42:11
  And thank you for for bringing your perspective and your wisdom
• 42:16
  and, and, and, and the embodiment of what you have been
• 42:21
  building and sharing it with, with others.
• 42:25
  If, if we need more conscious leaders who are willing to step
• 42:30
  forward and, and share these stories of how, how they are
• 42:37
  connecting with the, with the greater wisdom that exists in
• 42:41
  the world without the repercussion of fear or
• 42:46
  judgement. And, and your, your leadership
• 42:49
  in that, in that, in, in that area has had a big influence on
• 42:53
  my life. Well, thank you.
• 42:55
  Yeah. In terms of just, you know what,
• 42:56
  what I share and what I'm comfortable with.
• 42:58
  Yeah. Well, thank you.
• 42:59
  For putting the, the the soul in do more good in the 1st place,
• 43:03
  you know, first person you know, I'm, I'm.
• 43:06
  I'm honestly really looking forward to learning from each
• 43:12
  other in this workshop as well as just the broad event, you
• 43:17
  know, really, really being a part of that community.
• 43:19
  It's going to be. It's going to be it.
• 43:20
  Will. For everybody, it will likely.
• 43:22
  Be the the Ry of Y conference this year and and May 27th
• 43:26
  through the 29th, by the way, it will likely be we'll put it,
• 43:29
  we'll put a. Link in here for people to sign
• 43:31
  up Yeah as well. It will likely be the only stage
• 43:36
  in the world this year where you will have leaders from Conscious
• 43:40
  Capitalism, from B Labs, the organization that creates
• 43:44
  certified B corporations, my last.
• 43:46
  Company was B Corp Yep, same same.
• 43:48
  The the company that I founded and ran for many years is a
• 43:51
  certified B Corp. It'll have, you know, Kate
• 43:54
  Williams, the CEO of 1% for the Planet will be there.
• 43:58
  And of course, Timothy Henry of Conscious Capitalism and and
• 44:02
  also the leaders that that really created legislation
• 44:05
  around creating benefit corporations, which is now
• 44:08
  passed in 37 states. That's still a growing movement.
• 44:10
  I remember when it passed. In Texas, I was involved with
• 44:14
  one of the representatives and that yeah it.
• 44:17
  It it takes leaders like you to to drive those kind of
• 44:20
  initiatives forward, primarily her.
• 44:21
  Just to be is Representative Gina Hinojosa who who she
• 44:26
  approached us and you know, thought it was very interesting
• 44:30
  that here we were you know, serial entrepreneur you might
• 44:34
  bizarre voice that had a billion dollar IPO and you know I was
• 44:39
  creating a tech company that's AB Corp and it's like this
• 44:42
  should have been in Texas, right and and so we we were our
• 44:46
  general counsel actually Aryan Chan.
• 44:48
  She was she was one that testified in the Texas House and
• 44:53
  got passed. Yeah, but it was shout out to
• 44:55
  her. Yeah, there the.
• 44:57
  The, the, the all of the state lawmakers that have driven the
• 45:01
  benefit corporation statutes forward.
• 45:03
  I have so much respect and appreciation and admiration for
• 45:07
  'cause it, it took, it took a lot to, to, to get it passed.
• 45:12
  In states like Texas and others where the conservative viewpoint
• 45:16
  is, is often an obstacle to getting anything that looks and
• 45:22
  feels anything less than certain, anything that comes
• 45:26
  across as woo woo or the, the mystical or, you know, there's a
• 45:33
  lot of optics that exist around the whole mindset of a, of a
• 45:37
  doom or good company, a company that exists to elevate humanity.
• 45:42
  People outside of that look into it and think, think that it's,
• 45:44
  it's mostly optics or positioning.
• 45:48
  But those that are doing it the right way, that is not the case.
• 45:52
  Yeah. I mean Texas.
• 45:53
  Is, you know, I'm, I'm born and raised here in Austin and, and
• 45:57
  the the the person that really put the soul in Austin, in my
• 46:00
  opinion, at least in my lifetime, was Willie Nelson.
• 46:03
  There's the the Dow of Willie. You know, he early on would just
• 46:09
  set the tone. You know, that my first ever
• 46:11
  concert was four years old. Going to see Willie Nelson's
• 46:14
  backyard. That was your first.
• 46:15
  Concert. It's amazing.
• 46:17
  Yeah, it's the first. Time I smelled marijuana because
• 46:19
  I was like telling my parents I was like, what is that smell?
• 46:23
  Yeah. And yeah, did not smell, smell
• 46:26
  good to me at all. But it was all over, all over
• 46:30
  that backyard BBQ. You know, even back then he was
• 46:34
  a big proponent for it. But but you know, he really put
• 46:38
  that that heart of in Austin. We lift each other up.
• 46:43
  He would he would say, look, it doesn't matter if you're
• 46:44
  Republican or Democrat, like we're all here to just to just
• 46:49
  just have a beer and, you know, talk about all the things we
• 46:51
  have in common, which I think is actually the reality for most of
• 46:56
  them. America.
• 46:57
  It's just we're constantly programmed to think it's not
• 47:02
  because the algorithms and social media and the media are
• 47:05
  really amplifying the extremes because that's what gets the
• 47:08
  clips in a 24/7 cycle. And, and, and it's algorithmic
• 47:12
  hijacking, which I talk about very clearly in the book and in
• 47:17
  the fear chapter. But you know, we is a state like
• 47:24
  we do care a lot about capitalism in the state.
• 47:27
  And one of the things our governor brags about a lot is we
• 47:30
  have more Fortune 500 companies headquartered here now than than
• 47:34
  any other state. So we surpassed California on
• 47:37
  that front. And the other thing which is
• 47:40
  incredible and I would have never predicted is, you know, is
• 47:44
  in this house, that in our house that not that long ago Governor
• 47:50
  Perry was over here with Brian Hubbard for the Americans for
• 47:55
  Ibogaine Initiative, which which Deborah and I've become donors
• 47:59
  and proponents for. And, and it's, it's it, it
• 48:03
  passed in Texas initially after being shunned, believe it or
• 48:08
  not, in Kentucky where Brian Hubbard is from with 50 million
• 48:12
  of funding to research ibogaine to save these vets.
• 48:18
  And the efficacy so far on ibogaine is that over 80% of the
• 48:23
  time it will save a suicidal vet with one dose, 1 dose.
• 48:28
  Although. These are like really powerful
• 48:30
  psychedelics. I've I've, I've never done
• 48:32
  ibogaine, but it's, it's a the most powerful one.
• 48:36
  It's it and it will save someone that is an alcoholic.
• 48:41
  You know, we touched on alcoholism earlier, like they
• 48:44
  will not be an alcoholic anymore or an opioid addict.
• 48:48
  So it really seems like this miracle drug and it was a
• 48:52
  conservative that that came up with that.
• 48:55
  You know, politically, I'm an independent, always have been.
• 48:58
  I find that I like to have that freedom to really make up my own
• 49:04
  mind and not, not kind of dogmatically subscribe to, to a
• 49:10
  political tribe, you know, to, to have that freedom to, to move
• 49:13
  about because there's a lot of centrist on both sides that,
• 49:17
  that, that are really attractive.
• 49:19
  And, and I've been involved in AIPAC and other things over the
• 49:22
  years which bring this interest together.
• 49:24
  No labels. I've also been been involved
• 49:26
  with, but you know, Texas, it's a complex place.
• 49:30
  I mean, it, it does, it does have these, it does have some of
• 49:34
  these benefits, but then there are are things where I'm just
• 49:36
  like, I can't believe this is happening.
• 49:38
  If somebody would have told. I I've had the honor and
• 49:40
  pleasure of setting with Governor Perry and Brian as well
• 49:43
  and had a conversation and get if you if you interact with
• 49:46
  Brian and aren't ready to run through a wall, there's
• 49:49
  something wrong. He he is, he is a brilliant
• 49:52
  motivator and speaker and to have someone with the he's
• 49:56
  amazing, amazing. And he's going to be on this
• 49:59
  podcast. Oh, fantastic.
• 50:00
  I can't wait through that episode.
• 50:02
  Yeah. And did just to have like I
• 50:06
  would say arguably the most conservative governor in the
• 50:09
  history of Texas being championing and be being the
• 50:12
  biggest champion of this. It is it is a tale of the time.
• 50:16
  Yeah. But yeah, I.
• 50:16
  Don't I definitely don't want to say by any stretch we're we're
• 50:19
  perfect in Texas. I mean, the anti trans laws like
• 50:23
  or I just can't even believe that's happening here because
• 50:26
  this state has always been about liberty and it it really means
• 50:32
  liberty for for all for all is is what it's supposed to mean.
• 50:36
  And the fact that so many rights are being infringed on is very
• 50:41
  anti liberty. So it's complex.
• 50:43
  Still, a lot say it's complex to do that, no?
• 50:45
  Question. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:46
  So transitioning, let's talk about this AI moment, because
• 50:51
  this AI moment is something that obviously I'm obsessing about
• 50:56
  with the book. You know, I received a very
• 51:00
  divine download in terms of this moment and what humanity needs
• 51:06
  to do to ultimately embrace abundance for all.
• 51:10
  And you know, it's a tall order. I mean, it's a tall order.
• 51:12
  Like I've, I've laid out, you know, quite quite a few Times
• 51:16
  Now that the scarcity that we have dealt with as Homo sapiens,
• 51:23
  you know, we've been around for 300,000 years on a 4.54 billion
• 51:28
  year old planet. So evolutionarily we're very,
• 51:31
  very much a blip in, in time. And I can't even imagine, you
• 51:37
  know, what Homo sapiens would be like 300,000 years from now,
• 51:41
  much less 100 years from now. But we, we have only had
• 51:44
  electricity for .1% of our evolutionary time.
• 51:48
  So the amygdala in our brain is, is a very well developed fear
• 51:52
  center to really make us pay attention to the things that
• 51:59
  could harm us. And it's constantly, you know,
• 52:02
  hijacked. And as a result of that, we have
• 52:06
  a lot, a lot of dogmatic separation of things, whether
• 52:09
  it's political parties, you know, which we touched on,
• 52:12
  whether it's men and, and, and women, whether it's, you know,
• 52:17
  different races of people, different countries versus each
• 52:20
  other, you know, different religions versus each other.
• 52:25
  Like people arguing about the nature of God and and and
• 52:30
  ignoring the fact that there's this common spiritual root that
• 52:33
  ties all of the traditions. A thread that.
• 52:35
  Weaves through all of them, yes. Which, which I think is where
• 52:38
  the truth lies, right? I know you're, you're passionate
• 52:43
  about that topic too. So, you know, how do you, how do
• 52:46
  you kind of see this AI moment playing out having been
• 52:51
  accomplice now for a long time? Yeah.
• 52:54
  I, I, I am firmly ensconced in my belief that that humans are
• 53:00
  going to figure this out, that that we are resilient, dynamic,
• 53:06
  magnificent creatures that are going to figure out this, this
• 53:12
  major transition that we have to go through.
• 53:14
  I think it's going to be very painful and there will be big
• 53:18
  losses and lots of destruction in ways that we probably don't
• 53:24
  even understand at at the moment.
• 53:27
  But at the end of it all, I am firm in my belief that that
• 53:31
  humanity will win and we will have abundance for all.
• 53:35
  And that and, and, and I will say just from my, my own
• 53:40
  experiences of, of, of really experiencing what it is to be in
• 53:47
  a mental state through meditation, through breath work
• 53:53
  and through plant medicine. I, I have, I have, I have basked
• 53:59
  in the, in the beautiful light of all that is and, and
• 54:04
  connected with it directly. And I remember the very first
• 54:08
  time that I that I did plant medicine, it was about five
• 54:13
  years ago for me and prior to that.
• 54:16
  Five years ago for me, about the same.
• 54:18
  Very similar paths prior to that, I was the, the, you know,
• 54:23
  the, the, the example, you know, I was the guy that never would
• 54:26
  have considered doing anything. I literally waited until I
• 54:30
  turned of age to have my first drink of alcohol, you know, and
• 54:34
  I was in my, I was 50 years old and had never had a single drug,
• 54:38
  never been drunk from alcohol. And because I had this incessant
• 54:43
  need to be in control. And, and it was, it was my, my
• 54:47
  surrender to that control that allowed me to have my, my first
• 54:54
  experience. And all I could say, because my
• 54:59
  very first experience in plant medicine was, was a very
• 55:03
  intentional protocol, lots of intentions go into it guided
• 55:07
  under medical supervision and all, all of the things in place,
• 55:10
  because that's, that's what made me feel comfortable and, and
• 55:14
  confident. And all I could say for the 1st
• 55:18
  3045 minutes is there is truth. There is truth.
• 55:22
  And I like, and I, for whatever reason, cuss like a sailor.
• 55:25
  Holy shit, there is truth. And, and what was going on in my
• 55:31
  mind was, was so clear, so clear, like the, the point that
• 55:36
  you raised that, you know, we are genetically nearly
• 55:39
  identical, every human on this planet, that not to mention the
• 55:44
  other creatures that are on this planet along with us.
• 55:48
  And all I could, all I could see and, and, and experience was
• 55:53
  this direct connection that, and it was so clear and so apparent
• 55:57
  that we are all connected in, in every way possible.
• 56:02
  And, and, and I, I, it wasn't even, it wasn't even possible to
• 56:06
  envision when I was in, in the space a, a, a contrarian
• 56:12
  viewpoint, at least for me. Like how you know, like hate did
• 56:15
  not exist right in, in this, in this space.
• 56:18
  It was just love for all. That's where our.
• 56:22
  Souls exist. That's where we.
• 56:23
  Exist. No question there's divinity.
• 56:26
  Within us all, I've seen that absolutely a. 1000% and the, the
• 56:32
  ability for these protocols that are, are, are, are being done,
• 56:36
  the ones that are being done in the right way with intention.
• 56:41
  I, I have the capacity to, to change the perspective and to
• 56:45
  change the way that we humans connect with one another, the
• 56:48
  way we live our lives. And something you said earlier,
• 56:51
  you know, around embodiment that this is my big journey.
• 56:54
  It's like, OK, what's? That's my.
• 56:56
  Theme for this this whole year, it's all about embodiment.
• 57:00
  Theme too, yeah. I stated that as my theme in in
• 57:04
  January. As embodiment, that's.
• 57:05
  That's really I'm doing. A lot of them.
• 57:08
  At the end of the year and then, and then eventually announce it.
• 57:12
  And, and you know, my theme for 2025 was all about the inner
• 57:16
  journey. And yeah, 2026 is always
• 57:18
  embodiment. I'm I'm.
• 57:20
  Right there with you on that, on that track another.
• 57:22
  Another synchronicity, another. Synchronicity.
• 57:25
  So I'm I'm doing something that I I never in a million years
• 57:27
  would have thought that I would do the embodiment part in just a
• 57:31
  couple of days from now, I'm getting on a plane.
• 57:34
  I'm flying to Tulum, Mexico and I've registered to to become a
• 57:41
  certified practitioner in Lomi Lomi massage OK.
• 57:45
  Interesting. And so my my.
• 57:46
  Entire life I've enjoyed massage, I enjoyed hitting
• 57:49
  massage it it's I feel like transformative in the body and
• 57:53
  my wife does as well. We, we, we love, you know,
• 57:55
  traveling where they have great spas where you can go and have a
• 57:58
  great experiences. And my whole life I, I have been
• 58:03
  disconnected from my body until the plant medicine experience,
• 58:08
  or at least I, I can see it now. I, I, I didn't see it before and
• 58:13
  I've been so focused on being present and begin and, and the,
• 58:17
  the mindset of just being hyper aware because with, with
• 58:21
  awareness, you know, there, there is choice.
• 58:24
  And with choice comes responsibility.
• 58:26
  And as, as we heighten our connection to all that is in,
• 58:31
  in, in, in the divine world we live in, that, that
• 58:35
  responsibility to, to be a flag bearer for, for the light and,
• 58:40
  and for the good becomes more and more, it compounded over
• 58:46
  time. So I, I, I've gotten to this
• 58:48
  point where I need to, I need to figure out how to do more with
• 58:53
  my, my hands and my embodiment. And I, my, my father and my son
• 58:58
  are incredibly skilled with tools.
• 59:00
  They can, you know, to take any piece of furniture apart and
• 59:02
  reassemble it in no time. It skipped me.
• 59:05
  Yeah, that. Definitely skipped me too.
• 59:07
  But you know, I, I don't know if you know this, but my parents,
• 59:11
  they, they were entrepreneurs since the time, almost since the
• 59:15
  time I was born. I mean, since the time I had
• 59:17
  any, any memories of, of, of anything that I can recall, you
• 59:23
  know, I always had known them as entrepreneurs and they were
• 59:25
  entrepreneurs initially with furniture stores, you know, that
• 59:29
  I did not know that. So, so my dad was constantly,
• 59:33
  you know, working on furniture, hauling furniture, repairing
• 59:36
  furniture. He used to, he used to have
• 59:38
  this. He he, he instilled humility in
• 59:41
  me early on because a lot of times when he would come pick me
• 59:44
  up at school, he was yelling out junk for sale.
• 59:46
  Like with all his furniture. Furniture heats over the back
• 59:49
  right in his truck. That's fantastic.
• 59:52
  So the, the, the, the mindset of embodiment and, and just being
• 59:56
  able to just be present and work with my hands is something that,
• 1:00:01
  and it's a test. I, I have no, no prior
• 1:00:04
  experience other than receiving massages.
• 1:00:06
  I've ever given a massage other than to my, you know, wife.
• 1:00:10
  And so it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a test for myself.
• 1:00:15
  That's cool to, to see how I can allow myself to just drop into a
• 1:00:20
  place where I can just be fully embodied in, in, in, in my
• 1:00:24
  experience. And, and, and I, I believe it's
• 1:00:27
  going to help me tremendously in the work that I do well and.
• 1:00:30
  It's a lot about you. I mean, it it's it's it's to
• 1:00:33
  give someone else a massage is an act of love.
• 1:00:37
  So it's it's it's like you want to be able to practice that act
• 1:00:40
  even more. Yeah, that's really cool.
• 1:00:42
  I didn't know you were going to do that.
• 1:00:43
  I. I haven't.
• 1:00:44
  I haven't told other than my wife.
• 1:00:46
  You're the whoever's listening to.
• 1:00:48
  This is the first time I've shared that my kids didn't even
• 1:00:51
  know, but they're going to find out after watching this.
• 1:00:54
  So to come back to your question, this experience that
• 1:00:57
  I've had and now had multiple times with, with people that I
• 1:01:04
  have deep connection and relationship with, especially my
• 1:01:06
  wife, who was a goddess that walks the earth.
• 1:01:10
  I, I, I become so deeply aware of how fortunate I am.
• 1:01:16
  You know, I used to say when people would comment all the
• 1:01:18
  time to me, like Jay, you and your wife, you like my, my wife
• 1:01:22
  is named Tanya and people comment on our relationship.
• 1:01:27
  This is, you know, from the beginning.
• 1:01:28
  We, we've been, you know, married 18 years and together a
• 1:01:31
  few more than that. And over and over and over
• 1:01:35
  again, people say, I'm so jealous of your relationship.
• 1:01:37
  You guys have such a great relationship and all the things
• 1:01:41
  I used to say, you know, I'm, I'm really lucky.
• 1:01:44
  I'm just so lucky that I found her that, that we found each
• 1:01:47
  other. But I, my journey has what
• 1:01:50
  what's happened is in the plant medicine work that I've done,
• 1:01:53
  I've completely shifted the way I approach it.
• 1:01:56
  I no longer consider myself lucky.
• 1:01:58
  I consider myself deserving. And that shift for me of
• 1:02:03
  stepping into my own power and my own empowerment in, in, in
• 1:02:08
  the, in the brightest and, and best way possible with, with
• 1:02:12
  humility and not with ego. It, it, it's allowed me to be
• 1:02:19
  the partner for her that she's always needed, but I didn't
• 1:02:22
  really know how to be before plant medicine.
• 1:02:25
  The connection that has brought us just being in these spaces
• 1:02:28
  together. Words do not do justice to to
• 1:02:35
  what we have experienced and coming together.
• 1:02:37
  And so this experience for me has brought LED me down a path
• 1:02:43
  of this crazy mindset of abundance around where we humans
• 1:02:51
  are headed and and my belief and our ability to get there.
• 1:02:55
  Yeah, when you use the. Word crazy, but the reality is
• 1:03:00
  it's our destiny right and it is our it's what it's what it's
• 1:03:04
  what I've seen that God wants for us and that that God really
• 1:03:07
  wants us to to make it to this time and that once we make it to
• 1:03:12
  this time, we get access to the rest of the universe.
• 1:03:17
  And that's what the lattice is about is love conquering fear
• 1:03:20
  throughout space and time and that you know the part part of I
• 1:03:25
  mean this is a sad, sad theory. I don't subscribe to it, but but
• 1:03:31
  it's a theory, part of the theory about Fermi's paradox on
• 1:03:35
  why are there, why have we not seen aliens?
• 1:03:39
  You know, why, why are there, I mean, some people say we, we
• 1:03:41
  have I, I, I never have, but that like, why, why have we not
• 1:03:46
  seen aliens? And we must be alone in this
• 1:03:49
  vast universe of incomprehensible, you know,
• 1:03:53
  Infinity as far as we know, like, you know, hundreds and
• 1:03:57
  hundreds of billions of just galaxies.
• 1:03:59
  I mean, just a Galaxy alone is like hard to comprehend.
• 1:04:02
  It's so hard to. Comprise just how big?
• 1:04:04
  That is, and you know, we're learning more and more through
• 1:04:07
  the James Webb telescope. But you know, this, this, this,
• 1:04:14
  this, this destiny of, of abundance.
• 1:04:18
  You know, we're we're so kind of landlocked in terms of planet
• 1:04:23
  Earth and the way that we look at things and then we're
• 1:04:26
  constantly programmed to think scarcely.
• 1:04:31
  And that is about keeping us in kind of this mental trap where
• 1:04:38
  it is about putting profits over people or countries over each
• 1:04:44
  other. And it's all that 0 sum fear
• 1:04:46
  based mindset that has never that that has never had to be
• 1:04:52
  our destiny. You know, one of the things you
• 1:04:54
  said earlier, which, which I just want to unpack is that part
• 1:05:00
  of the reason I'm doing this is so there's less pain in as as
• 1:05:05
  Chris, Chris Bache would say. That was an amazing episode.
• 1:05:09
  That was episode 36. One of my favorite books.
• 1:05:12
  I've read this book twice in some parts three times is LSD in
• 1:05:14
  the mind of the universe with the subtitle Diamonds from
• 1:05:17
  Heaven is that we're in this gestation process right now and
• 1:05:21
  we're birthing the future of human.
• 1:05:23
  Like chapters 9 through 11 of that book are are just amazing.
• 1:05:27
  And I would really highly recommend people watch that
• 1:05:30
  episode. It was it was incredible to have
• 1:05:33
  him here in the house. He's like so deeply rooted in
• 1:05:35
  humility and just so such a spiritual beautiful soul.
• 1:05:40
  And, you know, the gestation doesn't have to be that hard.
• 1:05:45
  There are hard pregnancies and there are easier pregnancies.
• 1:05:48
  And for this, we need to have an easier gestation period.
• 1:05:52
  And we need to realize that the embrace of love over fear and
• 1:05:57
  all of our all of the things we can do together as capitalist,
• 1:06:02
  as leaders are, it really matters.
• 1:06:05
  Like this time really matters, you know, the very intentional
• 1:06:09
  actions that people take that are making these AI models
• 1:06:14
  matter, you know, and, and, and if open source really is the
• 1:06:19
  destiny for AI, which I think it is, you know, the DeepSeek-R1
• 1:06:24
  moment was a incredible moment, you know, which showed a
• 1:06:27
  trillion dollar loss in NASDAQ the next week.
• 1:06:32
  I, I think that it's pretty obvious that open source is
• 1:06:35
  going to win, which means that the vast majority of humanity is
• 1:06:39
  going to have access to not just artificial general intelligence,
• 1:06:42
  but then eventually artificial superintelligence.
• 1:06:45
  And so it's, it's one of those with great power comes great
• 1:06:48
  responsibility moments for, for almost everybody on the planet.
• 1:06:52
  And that's why it's a forcing function.
• 1:06:56
  Yeah, it is. A forcing.
• 1:06:57
  Function to make the right choice.
• 1:07:01
  And so I think I think the way my, my, my thesis on the way
• 1:07:05
  this is going to play out like nobody has a crystal ball.
• 1:07:08
  Like I remember Jeremiah O Wang on episode 21 of the podcast
• 1:07:13
  back when I was attending Ted AI and he was the closing keynote.
• 1:07:17
  He he said that, you know, Reid Hoffman, who's his partner on
• 1:07:21
  the blood scaling fund alongside Chris, Yay, that Reid Hoffman
• 1:07:26
  himself can't see beyond two to three years, right.
• 1:07:29
  So, yeah, so I mean, so, you know, talk about legendary
• 1:07:32
  investor. But I think the way it's going
• 1:07:36
  to happen is that we're going to be able to see like we're
• 1:07:40
  looking over the horizon. We're going to be able to see
• 1:07:44
  abundance for all. We're going to be able to see
• 1:07:46
  the end of disease. We're going to be able to see,
• 1:07:49
  you know, energy abundance. So we can't even imagine where
• 1:07:53
  desalinization is going to be all over the world.
• 1:07:55
  We're not going to have a water issue anymore.
• 1:07:58
  We're going to have robots that'll be able to build all the
• 1:08:01
  critical infrastructure we need in any country powered by the
• 1:08:04
  sunlight, just on and on and on that that's the that's going to
• 1:08:08
  happen. And you're in my lifetime, like
• 1:08:10
  in the next probably 10 to 15 years.
• 1:08:12
  So we're going to have that and that the human drive for not
• 1:08:20
  extinct in ourselves and for conquering the scarcity mindset
• 1:08:25
  is going to lead us to make the right choice.
• 1:08:28
  And it's going to, it's going to happen both bottoms up and, and,
• 1:08:30
  and tops down. And, and it's hard to imagine
• 1:08:34
  because, you know, I'm, you know, I'm Jewish, we've had the
• 1:08:37
  Holocaust. I mean, there's all these things
• 1:08:39
  that have happened throughout history that are, that are
• 1:08:42
  really atrocious. You know, one of the things I
• 1:08:44
  was thinking about when you're talking about your your
• 1:08:47
  grandmother, which is incredible, like I love that
• 1:08:51
  story And and you know, Deborah has a great aunt.
• 1:08:53
  Where is the same story? She lived to be over 100 years
• 1:08:56
  old. Her husband died early.
• 1:08:58
  She took took over the business is actually a furniture business
• 1:09:02
  and ended up running it till she was over 100 years old.
• 1:09:06
  It's it's like total you and I have something.
• 1:09:08
  The whole story is kind of blows my mind.
• 1:09:12
  But you know, it wasn't that long ago in the United States
• 1:09:18
  that women couldn't even have checking accounts.
• 1:09:21
  That was in the late 70s. It was in the 70s.
• 1:09:24
  That was in the late. 70s it was it was, it was a it was a bit
• 1:09:28
  over 100 years ago that women have the right to vote, but
• 1:09:31
  there was an Asterix on that it was only white women it took 50
• 1:09:35
  years more 50. Years for for women of color.
• 1:09:39
  And one of the chapters in the book actually is on the
• 1:09:42
  objectification of women and how this suffering over the
• 1:09:45
  millennia of that route. I actually think, I actually
• 1:09:50
  think the punching down on trans, I actually think it comes
• 1:09:52
  out of that route. It comes from that.
• 1:09:53
  Like it, it, it, it comes from that.
• 1:09:56
  But you know, this, this, this technology forcing function.
• 1:10:02
  I think, you know, you and I have seen, I think you would
• 1:10:05
  agree with this, at least I, I, I've seen this through journeys
• 1:10:08
  that, you know, we're all part of God or we're all one, you
• 1:10:12
  know, whatever you want to call that, or we're all part of
• 1:10:14
  consciousness and therefore the divine is working through US
• 1:10:19
  like I've been divinely guided my whole life.
• 1:10:22
  One of the one of the other cool synchronicities we have is in
• 1:10:25
  the first journey I did, the first soul I encountered was my
• 1:10:31
  mom. And I relived all that love and
• 1:10:37
  selfless love she gave me. And she took me in that journey
• 1:10:41
  to the second soul, which is my wife.
• 1:10:44
  And she showed me that I had married my soul mate and married
• 1:10:47
  the best parts of her. And that actually I was healing
• 1:10:52
  something that I was wanted for her through my wife.
• 1:10:56
  And that was that my my sister Brandy and I always said to our
• 1:11:01
  mom, like, please do something for yourself.
• 1:11:03
  Like you're just do so much for us.
• 1:11:05
  Like just take a trip for yourself.
• 1:11:07
  And she never would. Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  She was just totally selfless. And it was back when Deborah and
• 1:11:13
  I, when we got married, I had $1000, she had $2000.
• 1:11:17
  But when we, when we, you know, came into money by being
• 1:11:20
  entrepreneurs and it took a long time, We were, it took, took us
• 1:11:24
  a long, long time to do that many, many years.
• 1:11:29
  It was at that point where I'm like, look, travel the world.
• 1:11:32
  Like I'll be there with you for some of these trips, but you're
• 1:11:36
  free, you know, roam around the world.
• 1:11:39
  And the first trip without me was a little bit weird and
• 1:11:43
  people might think listening to this, well, why would I want my
• 1:11:46
  wife to take a trip without me? Well, you know, if you love
• 1:11:50
  someone, set them free, right? You said that stink it, it,
• 1:11:54
  it's, it's really it, it was a it was an act of love.
• 1:11:58
  And I learned from that journey that ultimately that was it.
• 1:12:02
  That's like an act of love and trust like that, that I know
• 1:12:06
  that this is the right thing to do.
• 1:12:08
  And she now has been profiled by Back Roads, which is one of our
• 1:12:13
  favorite travel companies we travel with back.
• 1:12:14
  Roads 24 back. Roads trips at this point, she's
• 1:12:17
  been doing this for a long time. But the first one was like
• 1:12:20
  really awkward. She felt guilty.
• 1:12:22
  Second one was easier. By the third one, it was like,
• 1:12:24
  you know, hey, I'm I'm off and going, right.
• 1:12:28
  And and I'm just so happy that that that's the case.
• 1:12:31
  But. But it was in that journey, you
• 1:12:33
  know, where where ultimately I saw that, Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  Yeah. So, so these these these acts of
• 1:12:39
  love and, you know, part of the reason that that marriages don't
• 1:12:44
  make it is fear, like the people are fearful of like what the
• 1:12:49
  other person's going to do when they're not around and all this
• 1:12:52
  ridiculousness. Yeah.
• 1:12:54
  Versus treating them with complete trust and love.
• 1:12:57
  Yeah. The the.
• 1:12:57
  Same things, fear, scarcity and ego are present and it's kind of
• 1:13:01
  it's, it's, it's, it's in the human DNA to and we have to lift
• 1:13:07
  ourselves out of, out of that world in order to be able to get
• 1:13:11
  to where it is that we aspire to be.
• 1:13:14
  And it, it's present in relationships and in companies.
• 1:13:19
  And we create these systems, whether they're relationship
• 1:13:22
  systems and how we interact or in a business, the systems that
• 1:13:26
  make the business work that are largely based on fear and
• 1:13:30
  scarcity and ego. And then we wonder why, why we
• 1:13:35
  have unhappy relationships or not effective businesses.
• 1:13:41
  It's it's, it's, it's the same cycle.
• 1:13:44
  What do you think? About this, do you have any
• 1:13:47
  opinion on this the the the latest generation, you know,
• 1:13:50
  Christopher Christopher face, she said when the go in gets
• 1:13:55
  tough, God sends in the best troops and he and I were kind of
• 1:13:59
  riffing on that, but I I, I'm I am bullish.
• 1:14:03
  As well. So for for 40 years when I was
• 1:14:07
  in high school, I got elected to serve on my high school student
• 1:14:09
  council. And my penance was I had to go
• 1:14:12
  to leadership camp and learn how to, you know, be a student
• 1:14:15
  council. And I thought it was the world's
• 1:14:17
  worst, you know the thing. And I went to this camp four
• 1:14:20
  nights, five days. It changed my life completely
• 1:14:23
  redirected what I everything I thought I knew about myself and
• 1:14:26
  about leadership learned how to be a servant leader and I joined
• 1:14:30
  the staff of this organization that next summer.
• 1:14:32
  So I have been leading my own group of students through this
• 1:14:36
  process of self discovery and learning for 40 years.
• 1:14:40
  Every summer I go back to this workshop and I take my my group
• 1:14:44
  and talk about an act of. Selfless service.
• 1:14:47
  It's a long time to stick with it so.
• 1:14:49
  Much more out of it than I've ever put into a boat.
• 1:14:51
  The reason I'm, I'm sharing that here is I have got, I've been a
• 1:14:55
  first hand witness to the evolution of, of our young
• 1:15:00
  people. I have literally sat as they
• 1:15:03
  cry, as they, as they mode, as they struggle, as you know, I
• 1:15:06
  have, you know, I take them aside and work with them on
• 1:15:09
  things. I've, I've watched this, this
• 1:15:11
  evolution of, you know, of 14 to 16 year olds and I've seen where
• 1:15:19
  it's gone over, over the years. And it's, it's, there's so many
• 1:15:23
  things that these young people because that we, we, we look at
• 1:15:26
  them and we see their addiction to technology or to, you know,
• 1:15:30
  to TikTok or whatever. And we after COVID, what, what
• 1:15:34
  happened to their ability to socialize and connect with other
• 1:15:37
  people? You know, we see this from the
• 1:15:38
  outside, but at the core, I think these young people that
• 1:15:44
  are coming in, you're coming online into society right now
• 1:15:48
  are better equipped to deal with what's coming than any of us
• 1:15:51
  possibly realize. And I, I've been, I've been
• 1:15:53
  right there in the front row with it and I'm so excited.
• 1:15:58
  You know, they, they, they, yeah, they're, they lack certain
• 1:16:02
  characteristics and things that, you know, I had growing up
• 1:16:06
  because I didn't have technology.
• 1:16:07
  I didn't have, you know, you could you go out and you come
• 1:16:11
  home when the, when the street lights go off.
• 1:16:12
  And that was, you know, my life. And I didn't have a tether.
• 1:16:16
  I didn't have the phone, you know, to, to find my way around.
• 1:16:19
  And so we, we, we often or I find my peers often, you know,
• 1:16:25
  look back and think, well, that was a far better way to live.
• 1:16:27
  And, and it probably was, but the ability for young people
• 1:16:32
  today to connect with what's possible because of what they've
• 1:16:37
  experienced first hand with AI, their exposure to all things.
• 1:16:40
  The young kid, a 15 year old growing up today knows Chad.
• 1:16:46
  You know, they know of the country.
• 1:16:47
  You know, they've probably seen a video of somebody from Chad.
• 1:16:51
  When I was growing up, you know, I would have had to go pull out
• 1:16:53
  my encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, and find the sea
• 1:16:57
  version and then go through and I write in the.
• 1:16:59
  Book that, I knew nothing about it.
• 1:17:01
  And so literally while I'm in the Uber with the driver Kalibu,
• 1:17:06
  who is there and I'm learning all about him and we're just
• 1:17:09
  flowing. He's just like a beautiful,
• 1:17:10
  beautiful human being. I'm using ChatGPT to learn about
• 1:17:14
  Chad and asking him questions that were connecting like right
• 1:17:17
  in the moment. But but I was, you know, around
• 1:17:20
  your age, right? So, so like we both grew up.
• 1:17:23
  But yeah, you're right, this generation so much more worldly
• 1:17:26
  and, and, you know, their alcohol use is plummeting.
• 1:17:29
  They're they're they're much, although we lament about, you
• 1:17:33
  know, TikTok and their social media use or whatever that's
• 1:17:36
  starting to decline. They're kind of like Neo in the
• 1:17:39
  matrix. So we're not going to take this
• 1:17:42
  constructed reality where where you guys have put, you know,
• 1:17:47
  profits over people. Like we're going to demand
• 1:17:49
  conscious capitalism, and that's coming online at the same time
• 1:17:54
  and and. Indeed, the rate of change that
• 1:17:57
  is coming, I think because I, I sincerely believe, even though,
• 1:18:02
  you know, you and I are, are far more likely to really understand
• 1:18:07
  that than most people just because of the how deep we've
• 1:18:09
  gone into the rabbit hole around all these things that then then
• 1:18:13
  most humans. But what, what's coming, the
• 1:18:18
  rate of change and how it's going, how it, how fast it's
• 1:18:20
  going to go. I don't think any human really
• 1:18:23
  truly gets the, the, the exponential change that's
• 1:18:27
  coming. But I think that our young
• 1:18:30
  people are, are being set up in a very good way to be able to,
• 1:18:36
  to, to shift the way that they move through the world at the
• 1:18:40
  rate of change that's coming. Far better equipped than most of
• 1:18:43
  us, you know, in our 50s, sixties, 40s, you know, in
• 1:18:47
  Business Today, it's, it's going to be remarkable.
• 1:18:50
  You know one of the. Things with with this AI moment.
• 1:18:53
  I'm just curious if you see it this way and if, if, if your
• 1:18:57
  journeys have given you any insight into this or meditations
• 1:19:00
  or any other way you got there. I I think that this AI moment
• 1:19:08
  and the consciousness awakening, this kind of deep curiosity
• 1:19:13
  about consciousness, whether it's, you know, Dan Brown, which
• 1:19:16
  think about the megaphone he has or Michael Pollan.
• 1:19:19
  I mean, I was looking, you know, I pre-ordered the book and and
• 1:19:23
  you know, it's one of the books I've been looking most forward
• 1:19:26
  to and it says the most anticipated book of the year
• 1:19:31
  from the New York Times as well as Penguin Random House, right?
• 1:19:35
  Big, big publisher. And, you know, it's really going
• 1:19:39
  to kind of set the tone for this year.
• 1:19:41
  But I think I think the consciousness awakening, the
• 1:19:45
  rise in psychedelic use, very intentionally directed.
• 1:19:50
  I completely agree with that. That's the only way that I would
• 1:19:53
  even use that. I actually don't use
• 1:19:55
  psychedelics at all at parties. I, you know, maybe, maybe just
• 1:20:00
  won't make me popular be invited to parties, but I actually will.
• 1:20:03
  I actually will leave a party if it goes there.
• 1:20:06
  Totally understand I, I, I'm like very, it's very sacred to
• 1:20:09
  me. It's a very sacred connection
• 1:20:12
  with the divine. I get really transcendent
• 1:20:16
  messages and and it's something I take very, very seriously and,
• 1:20:20
  and with extreme reverence, you know, but it but all these
• 1:20:26
  things kind of happening at the same time to me just feels
• 1:20:30
  undeniably like like the divine is working through us to to wake
• 1:20:35
  us up this moment and there is no.
• 1:20:37
  Question and those of us that, that are that again, move
• 1:20:40
  through the world with a learner's mindset rather than a
• 1:20:43
  knowers mindset that are open to receiving what's out there and
• 1:20:48
  what's available. We, we have to and, and there's
• 1:20:53
  more and more of us all the time.
• 1:20:55
  I, I, I come across people that operate as learners more and
• 1:20:58
  more all the time. I think we have a responsibility
• 1:21:04
  to carry that card and to and to share it and to be open, you
• 1:21:09
  know, with our experiences. That's what's going to make it
• 1:21:12
  possible for humanity to not just survive, but to thrive.
• 1:21:19
  It is is those of us that are willing to step forward and and
• 1:21:24
  and be all. Shares that experience.
• 1:21:25
  In an authentic way, yeah. And and.
• 1:21:27
  And that's, you know, I mean, I, I talked about this on on
• 1:21:31
  episode 30 with John Mackey, but you know, huge shout out to him
• 1:21:35
  for opening up his book, the whole story with his psychedelic
• 1:21:39
  journey, Chapter 1 of that book that got him over the fear to
• 1:21:44
  launch Whole Foods. You know, he saw the that
• 1:21:47
  everything is rooted in love and deep connection.
• 1:21:50
  And that source is 1 and that got him to that point.
• 1:21:56
  So I think that's, I think it's, I think it's really exciting and
• 1:21:59
  this is happening. And one of the things that, you
• 1:22:01
  know, I've thought really deeply about, you know, Part 1 of the
• 1:22:05
  lattice actually came through a journey is that these brain
• 1:22:10
  computer interfaces are actually the connection point.
• 1:22:16
  I think as we have this exponential curve to actually
• 1:22:21
  scientifically codify what our reality is.
• 1:22:24
  You know, it's, it's, it's, it's one thing to, you know, be a
• 1:22:29
  part of a spiritual tradition, whether that's a religion or
• 1:22:32
  not. And, you know, believe in the
• 1:22:37
  fundamental nature of consciousness or source or what,
• 1:22:40
  or, or God, whatever you want to call that, you know, in the
• 1:22:43
  Torah, source is actually a capital S.
• 1:22:46
  It's a, it's a, it's a proffer noun.
• 1:22:50
  It's, it's a whole another thing to experience that.
• 1:22:53
  And so in, in Part 1 of the lattice, you know, the, the
• 1:22:58
  protagonist, Dr. Alexander Bliss has this crazy idea where he
• 1:23:04
  after his psychedelic experience, which he thinks is
• 1:23:06
  going to be nothing but neurochemical tricks.
• 1:23:08
  And he's like, Oh my gosh, like everything's connected.
• 1:23:11
  You know, everything's rude and love.
• 1:23:13
  He has this idea to hook up some of the most incredible spiritual
• 1:23:20
  masters, you know, psychonauts, meditators, to find out the
• 1:23:24
  commonality in their experiences.
• 1:23:26
  And it's by the year 2030 where quantum computing is projected
• 1:23:32
  to be stable by 2029. And if people haven't read the
• 1:23:37
  Lattice, by the way, they can, they can.
• 1:23:40
  They can get it for free on the podcast on the 27.
• 1:23:44
  I would. I would.
• 1:23:44
  Suggest to people listen to the episode that you posted to to
• 1:23:48
  get the back story and some of the back story is.
• 1:23:50
  Kind of fun. It's brilliant.
• 1:23:51
  Yeah. The quantum, the quantum
• 1:23:52
  computer in the lattice that Doctor Alexander Bliss uses is
• 1:23:57
  actually a real one that Japan's working on right now.
• 1:24:00
  That's that's supposed to come online by then.
• 1:24:02
  But. But you know, he uploads all the
• 1:24:05
  data of their experiences because we've got into the
• 1:24:07
  resolution of brain computer interfaces by that point where
• 1:24:10
  you can literally see what people are experiencing and
• 1:24:14
  looks for the common patterns. And that's where it finds, hey,
• 1:24:17
  there's this fundamental aspect of everything's rooted in this
• 1:24:21
  connection and this love and that transforms humanity.
• 1:24:25
  But you know, one of the things that I am super excited about is
• 1:24:29
  I really do believe we're going to be able to decode more and
• 1:24:31
  more of our reality as we progress.
• 1:24:34
  And I think that's fantastic, you know, like people, people
• 1:24:38
  right now are thinking, I think too limited with AI.
• 1:24:42
  The the first, the first thought I think people have is like it
• 1:24:46
  can increase efficiency. Yes, it can definitely do that.
• 1:24:50
  I've always thought of it as it's going to shatter the
• 1:24:52
  barrier to creativity. Yes, it's doing that.
• 1:24:56
  Like I said, I can't draw, but not to draw, you know, and, and,
• 1:25:00
  and so many things. I'm I constantly am learning
• 1:25:03
  every day from it, but it also is going to decode like aspects
• 1:25:07
  of science that we just don't know on the on the episode I had
• 1:25:11
  with Peter Wang, he is like deeply, deeply rooted in
• 1:25:14
  science. Like, you know, definitely spend
• 1:25:18
  a lot of time studying physics, you know, leads, leads one of
• 1:25:22
  the unicorns here in Austin, you know, one of the most prominent
• 1:25:25
  AI companies with Anaconda. And it was funny in that
• 1:25:28
  episode, like I said to Peter, I said, you know, Peter, my guess
• 1:25:33
  is that we have decoded maybe 2 to 3% of what scientifically is
• 1:25:40
  available to decode. And he said.
• 1:25:42
  Brett, I think it's less than 1%, less than 1.
• 1:25:45
  And I was like, OK, right. Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  So, you know, we don't even know what 96% of the universe is made
• 1:25:51
  of. We just call it dark energy and
• 1:25:53
  dark matter. Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  So. How do you think about that?
• 1:25:56
  I mean, that's, you know, what seems super exciting in.
• 1:25:59
  One of my in one of my experiences, I went deep down
• 1:26:03
  this rabbit hole and what what I ended up doing after really
• 1:26:07
  contemplating and thinking about because I I used to think of
• 1:26:10
  myself as a seeker. Yeah, and I, I've stopped
• 1:26:15
  thinking of myself as a seeker and I have now resigned to the,
• 1:26:19
  to the belief that that I'm not ever going to know all of the
• 1:26:25
  answers of the things that I truly, you know, want to know.
• 1:26:27
  Like what is, what is life? Why are we here?
• 1:26:31
  And all, the, all the questions that we ask.
• 1:26:33
  And I'm so much more dialed in to just being present and living
• 1:26:41
  and expressing and, and, and, and, and bringing more people to
• 1:26:46
  the light in, in, in the, in the purest and most humble way you
• 1:26:51
  possibly can. And, and, and I'm not as caught
• 1:26:55
  up in trying to figure out the, the mystical nature of, of our
• 1:27:01
  being. And that transition for me has
• 1:27:04
  been it's, it's, it's just felt magnificent.
• 1:27:08
  And it's, it's really coming back to, you know, my, my focus
• 1:27:12
  of the year, which is embodiment.
• 1:27:14
  And, and that's what I'm focused on.
• 1:27:16
  And I, I'm, I'm now completely comfortable with the belief that
• 1:27:22
  I may go to the end of my life. In fact, it's likely that I will
• 1:27:26
  without knowing all the answers to the mystical, you know,
• 1:27:29
  creation of the universe and, and humans and all that is.
• 1:27:33
  And I'm OK with that. Yeah.
• 1:27:34
  Well, I. Mean, I think that that's
• 1:27:37
  probably inevitable because, you know, Chris, Chris Beige
• 1:27:42
  couldn't decode our reality fully after 73 high dose LSD
• 1:27:48
  sessions of which are so high dose.
• 1:27:50
  I've never even taken one of those sessions.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah, like we're talking about, you know, eight 8 1/2 to 9 hour
• 1:27:56
  journeys. Yeah.
• 1:27:57
  Like so, so intense, but you know, he lived to tell the tale
• 1:28:02
  and he was willing to die to understand the nature of
• 1:28:04
  reality. And it was on his last journey
• 1:28:07
  where he saw that there is no end to trying to decode.
• 1:28:12
  And that's. You know, like the, the
• 1:28:14
  experiences I've had is, is this, this endless infinite,
• 1:28:18
  like number of unfolding where, where it's like every, every
• 1:28:22
  human I've come in contact with in my life, like appears before
• 1:28:26
  me and they zoom in and then one, and then there's this and
• 1:28:28
  then it unfolds and then there's another layer and then another
• 1:28:31
  layer and it's infinite and it never ends.
• 1:28:34
  And the, the, the nature of Infinity to me when I'm in these
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  spaces and when I've had these experiences, is, has led me back
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  down to this place of, of, of presence over expansion.
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  Yeah. And it's a really beautiful
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  place to be. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well.
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  Back to there's no moment like the president.
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  There's no moment like the president.
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  You actually, I don't know if you remember this, but you
• 1:29:02
  introduced me to 11 Days in May. I did.
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  Yeah. By JD Messenger and that that
• 1:29:08
  was a super fun two-part episode episode 24 on the podcast where
• 1:29:14
  we spend a lot of time actually decoding fear and how to
• 1:29:16
  transcend fear. That was that was a Part 2 of
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  it. It was super, super fun to do
• 1:29:21
  that together. And I'm curious like, you know,
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  you, you recommended that to me after I gave that talk at MIT.
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  What other books would you recommend?
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  You know, I'm I'm always looking for Jay's recommendations on the
• 1:29:37
  next books to read. Like which ones have moved you
• 1:29:39
  in the last six months? The.
• 1:29:42
  Oh gosh, are are are. Are are you know in the past
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  what so? My, my path for the last year,
• 1:29:49
  well, since since we met in May, has, has just been kind of going
• 1:29:53
  down the list of the books that you so passionately advocate
• 1:29:57
  for. Episode 1 was a big unpacking.
• 1:30:01
  It was like and. And so I made a list and I
• 1:30:03
  ordered those and I, I've been going through them and, and
• 1:30:07
  there are so many like, but to me, the quintessential work is
• 1:30:13
  going, you know, just all the way back to the, the more
• 1:30:16
  ancient texts, the Bhagavad Vita and the Tao to Chang.
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  And and there's something that happens to me when I'm in the
• 1:30:27
  right frame of mind when I go back into those and I've read
• 1:30:30
  them over and over and over again.
• 1:30:33
  And those are the books that that feed me the most.
• 1:30:37
  And just just having the every six months, I'll go back to them
• 1:30:40
  and just kind of reacquaint myself with be because they they
• 1:30:44
  have the most timeless principles.
• 1:30:47
  Absolutely. And it's, it's really where the
• 1:30:49
  seed it was planted for me in this really.
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  But this belief that every religion that has ever been
• 1:30:56
  created in the history of humanity, I believe was created
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  by humans that had a psychedelic experience going back thousands
• 1:31:06
  of years. And, you know, we now can trace
• 1:31:09
  the ergot in the bats in the, you know, the basement of the
• 1:31:12
  Vatican and everywhere else. The book the.
• 1:31:13
  Immortality key. The immortality.
• 1:31:15
  Key was one. Yeah, and he's going to be on
• 1:31:17
  the. Podcast.
• 1:31:17
  I'm excited. Brian, he's fantastic.
• 1:31:19
  He's a great guy. He's a great guy.
• 1:31:21
  And, and, but the immortality key, you know, was a big, was a
• 1:31:26
  big moment for me in terms of taking what I'd learned from
• 1:31:29
  these ancient texts and really thinking about it in a modern,
• 1:31:32
  in a modern day. And this, this belief that every
• 1:31:37
  religion was created by humans that had a transcendental
• 1:31:40
  experience in, in plant medicine.
• 1:31:42
  And then they come out of the medicine and they verbalize,
• 1:31:45
  they talk about it, they share they they and then humans kind
• 1:31:49
  of we lay on our own dogma and and eventually ego comes back.
• 1:31:53
  On the ego at some. Point.
• 1:31:55
  Hey, let's. Put a little control mechanism
• 1:31:57
  on this, yeah. And and.
• 1:31:59
  And, you know, we could argue all day about whether or not
• 1:32:03
  religion has been, you know, good or negative for humanity.
• 1:32:07
  And I think lots of people would have lots of arguments in in all
• 1:32:11
  directions. But just the, the, the mere
• 1:32:15
  recognition that this is it, it just makes total common sense
• 1:32:20
  that this is where, you know, religion has come from.
• 1:32:24
  And and so going back to those more ancient texts, is, is the
• 1:32:28
  is, is my answer to that question.
• 1:32:32
  I just, I continue to return to them over and over again.
• 1:32:34
  And I, I just reread immortality key to a few months ago.
• 1:32:38
  Oh, cool. It was it was such a big impact,
• 1:32:41
  had such a big impact on the way that I yeah, he's a real.
• 1:32:43
  Scholar and he really he really went to the work that he.
• 1:32:47
  And I have not been to Eulusis yet, but that's on my short
• 1:32:51
  list. I'm going to get to, I want to
• 1:32:53
  make that track from, you know, Athens to Eulusis and, and, and
• 1:32:58
  just kind of feel what it feels like to be in the, in that part
• 1:33:00
  of the world. Yeah.
• 1:33:02
  Yeah, I mean, the the the versions I recommend of the
• 1:33:05
  Bhagavad Gita and the Dauda Ching are the Stephen Mitchell
• 1:33:08
  translation. Mitchell.
• 1:33:09
  Yeah, which I found out that JD also agrees.
• 1:33:12
  Those are the best because JD is quite a scholar on this.
• 1:33:16
  And those are just so well done. And he's got such a beautiful,
• 1:33:21
  contemplative, you know, soothing voice.
• 1:33:25
  And then it's it's fun. I'm actually, I've actually dove
• 1:33:28
  back into Wayne Dyer's how to actually embody the Dow put a
• 1:33:32
  link in the in the show notes. I've not read that I.
• 1:33:36
  Should I? Should it's good, it's.
• 1:33:37
  It's it's cool because it gives you daily exercises for each
• 1:33:42
  verse of the Dell. Oh, nice.
• 1:33:44
  Yeah. But I mean.
• 1:33:45
  You can find these repeating patterns.
• 1:33:47
  I mean, the Dell Duchene is it's, it's throughout the Torah.
• 1:33:50
  It's throughout the Bible. Yeah, it's repeated.
• 1:33:51
  In yeah, it's. Throughout the Quran, I mean,
• 1:33:54
  these, the repeating patterns are just, you know, we've all
• 1:33:58
  been learning from each other. And again, that common spiritual
• 1:34:01
  root that we find that is that is where the reality actually
• 1:34:05
  is. Yeah.
• 1:34:06
  Well, we've covered a lot of ground, my friend.
• 1:34:09
  It's been, it's been really fun. We should probably probably
• 1:34:12
  start to wrap it up here. Let's let's let's emphasize
• 1:34:17
  again this this conference coming up.
• 1:34:19
  Roy of Y conquers fear. Together we rise, right.
• 1:34:24
  So. So what are the dates again?
• 1:34:26
  May 27th through 29th in Omaha, NE, the middle of everywhere, as
• 1:34:30
  we like to say. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:32
  And they're Warren Buffett town, Warren Buffett's hometown, one
• 1:34:35
  of some. Of my favorite memories are
• 1:34:37
  going to the Berkshire Hathaway shareholders meeting.
• 1:34:40
  Do you know how he closed out his last letter as the CEO of
• 1:34:44
  now? How do we close?
• 1:34:45
  It out the last. Sentence is remember that the
• 1:34:50
  cleaning lady is every bit as much of a human being as the
• 1:34:53
  chairman. As the chairman, yeah, that's.
• 1:34:55
  How? He, I mean talk about love,
• 1:34:57
  conquering fear, like he is the embodiment of that.
• 1:34:59
  He is he. Is so so.
• 1:35:01
  It's it's very poetic that we're going to be talking about love
• 1:35:04
  conquering fear in Omaha. We have.
• 1:35:07
  A a prominent business leader in our community that just sent me
• 1:35:10
  a note the other day. He's so excited about the
• 1:35:12
  conference and he he talked about the conference, the Roy of
• 1:35:16
  Y, as being the most important business event that happens in
• 1:35:19
  Nebraska outside of Berkshire Hathaway's annual meeting.
• 1:35:22
  You know, 60,000 people from around the world descend on
• 1:35:25
  Omaha for that. It's it's it's a beautiful
• 1:35:27
  sight. Yeah.
• 1:35:28
  It's. It's amazing our our event.
• 1:35:30
  Will be held in Omaha. We'll have over 400 people in
• 1:35:35
  our live audience and several thousand most likely on the
• 1:35:38
  virtual audience. And it, it's going to be a deep
• 1:35:43
  dive into the things we're talking about here today and
• 1:35:47
  even deeper into the execution on how to not necessarily the
• 1:35:52
  why, because the people that are connected to our movement, they
• 1:35:55
  get the why what we focus. On yeah, they're self selecting.
• 1:36:00
  Yeah, they're they're not. Going to show up our event if,
• 1:36:03
  if they're not aligned with the, with the idea that business can
• 1:36:06
  and should be a force for good in the world.
• 1:36:08
  All right, So that's kind of the basic premise.
• 1:36:10
  And so then we dig pretty heavy into the how and, and I'm very
• 1:36:16
  excited about the cost to attend the conference.
• 1:36:18
  So you can buy a ticket on the website at domoregood.com.
• 1:36:22
  It's $300.00 at our early bird rate right now and the best way
• 1:36:27
  which is so affordable. Which is so.
• 1:36:28
  Affordable. Yeah.
• 1:36:29
  So affordable. And most conferences.
• 1:36:31
  Are a lot substantially. More than that, yeah, we and we
• 1:36:34
  have a great conference hotel just walking distance from the
• 1:36:38
  venue that, you know, like for 120 bucks, you know that that's
• 1:36:43
  the benefit of doing this in Nebraska is everything's going
• 1:36:45
  to be less and it's a time. Of year in Nebraska, where it's
• 1:36:48
  not too cold, it's going to be. This is spoken as a Texan, yes.
• 1:36:52
  Absolutely. It'll be a beautiful time to be
• 1:36:54
  there. Yeah, it'll be very nice and the
• 1:36:55
  the best way for if you have a team of people, if you're in a
• 1:37:00
  company and you have leaders or others, we would love to
• 1:37:04
  encourage people to consider becoming a company host.
• 1:37:07
  We have room for 20 total and that includes it's for $5000.
• 1:37:12
  It includes 10 tickets to the event.
• 1:37:14
  And the idea behind our host program is that we want business
• 1:37:18
  leaders to invite others from their network to come join and
• 1:37:21
  to help, you know, accelerate the conversation like love like
• 1:37:24
  minded folks. So you know, I, I.
• 1:37:26
  Felt really called and moved to join as a super host and thank
• 1:37:30
  you. And as a result, I'm inviting
• 1:37:34
  quite a few of the CEOs of companies.
• 1:37:36
  We're investors and you know, we're we're investors in 150
• 1:37:39
  companies love that and have been doing that for 16 years.
• 1:37:43
  That's that's like my side gig. Yeah.
• 1:37:47
  The side gig, but that, but that's.
• 1:37:48
  Been amazing. I mean, it's been really, you
• 1:37:52
  know, and, and and, you know, we've really focused on
• 1:37:54
  investing now on looking for the companies that we really believe
• 1:37:59
  in our heart hearts are going to get us to abundance for all.
• 1:38:02
  So it's going to be fun to have them in the mix too.
• 1:38:05
  Yeah, and. And that that's what people will
• 1:38:07
  experience when they come. Just they'll be surrounded by
• 1:38:09
  those, those like minds. And, and I, I believe it will be
• 1:38:14
  a transform, transformational event for those that join us.
• 1:38:18
  Yeah, yeah. Well, super excited about it,
• 1:38:20
  man. Thank you, thanks for your
• 1:38:22
  heart. Thank you.
• 1:38:22
  Thanks so much for believing in me.
• 1:38:24
  And you know, the Love Conquers Fear book and it's going to be
• 1:38:28
  amazing to get it out there. I'm so I'm so geeked out right
• 1:38:31
  now just about the cover. I mean the cover.
• 1:38:34
  Cover was magnificent and the. Cover came from from an idea
• 1:38:38
  that that that you had working with different designers and
• 1:38:43
  then we just kind of riff from there.
• 1:38:44
  So you know, we've you you guys have had a lot of dimensionality
• 1:38:49
  and love to the book. So I really appreciate it.
• 1:38:51
  It's been. A deep honor and pleasure to be
• 1:38:54
  part of the project. Just to just to have a role in
• 1:38:56
  it. Yeah, well.
• 1:38:57
  Thank you. Thanks again, everybody for
• 1:38:59
  tuning in to another awesome episode of Love Conquers Fear.
• 1:39:03
  I'm so excited about the book. You know, in that editing
• 1:39:07
  process right now on falling in love with it all over again,
• 1:39:12
  making it better and better. One of the most challenging
• 1:39:15
  things about a book like this is that AI move so, so fast.
• 1:39:19
  But the topics that I'm discussing in the book really
• 1:39:22
  are the most durable topics because we're talking about the
• 1:39:25
  arc of human history and the problems that we need to
• 1:39:29
  transcend that have been around for a long time.
• 1:39:32
  And I'm confident that we will do it.
• 1:39:35
  Thanks again for tuning in. Thanks for all the love out
• 1:39:39
  there. I cannot tell you how much of A
• 1:39:41
  high it gives me to get your comments, to have meetings with
• 1:39:48
  with you all, to get so many emails and messages where people
• 1:39:55
  are having a real heart shift. So keep it coming, keep sharing
• 1:39:59
  it. Like I said, I'm self funding
• 1:40:01
  this. It is my love letter to humanity
• 1:40:04
  and it's going to take us all. Team humanity all the way.
• 1:40:07
  Love conquers fear. Thank you.