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Snake Oil and Spirit Work feat. Skitzo Crow [RHR S6, EP41] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hi, I'm Sarah O'Brien. I used to follow you on Facebook
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  Bye. Sarah was a fan of the poetry.
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  I did some alliterative type poetry with the rune poems.
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  You can still listen and enjoy the show that way.
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  All right, so we're going to be bringing on a guest here today,
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  a listener who, as I understand, has been catching my stuff since
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  around season 5 S almost 2 full seasons now.
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  He is in the Ohio region, goes by the name Schizo Crow.
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  And great to have you on the show, man.
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  Thanks for being here. Welcome.
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  You can go ahead and unmute yourself there.
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  Sorry, I don't know if I got you muted there.
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  Let's try this. Yeah, try, try speaking now.
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  Should be like a little button there.
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  We'll get it. Folks, I'm bad.
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  With. There he is.
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  There he is, yeah. Yeah.
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  Sorry about that. All right, these controls that
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  and bullshit in the other because I can mute you, but I
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  can't unmute. You have to, like, accept the
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  unmute request, which is gnarly. Yeah.
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  Anyway, this is Schizo Crow, and he's in Ohio, so welcome to the
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  show, man. Thanks for being here.
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  Thank you for having me. It's.
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  Good to be here. And so you are in Ohio and I
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  don't know, are you getting the same like we just got, I'm in
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  Middle Tennessee and I just, we just got like winter showed up
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  all of a sudden today. It was like 30° with a wind
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  chill, you know, of like 20 something.
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  I don't know how it is up there in Ohio, but what's it been like
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  up there for you? Have you have you finally
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  started feeling winter yet? Or is it still kind of that late
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  in the summer? Yeah, we got 3 inches.
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  Oh yeah, snow today. Yeah, overnight.
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  And it was about maybe like mid 20s all day.
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  And then the sun poked out for a little bit, but it's, it's,
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  it's, it's winter so far today all it's, it's yesterday it was
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  like 60° and now it's now winter all of a sudden.
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  That's Ohio, though. We have a saying in Ohio.
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  If you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes, they'll change.
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  Oddly, is a similar theme here in the in Middle Tennessee.
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  This area of the state is very bipolar.
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  You know, we've had thunderstorms and tornadoes in
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  February Like it yeah, you know, Thunder snow, they call it.
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  And but here in this area, it's it it doesn't, it doesn't really
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  ever snow a lot. It's mostly just cold and icy.
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  You know, further E higher elevations.
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  They'll they'll get snow. I think as a matter of fact, out
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  east today they got like, I don't know, I saw some charts
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  that said they, they, that some areas were expecting an 88
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  inches to a foot of snow accumulation up there.
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  So, but I'm originally from New York.
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  So when I come down here and I've been, I've been down here
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  for like 20 years now and it's, you know, the, every year it's
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  the same thing. People get all, they lose their
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  minds when it's, you know, a flurry starts falling down.
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  I'm like, it'll be all right. It'll be gone before you know
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  it. You know, where I'm from it, it,
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  you know, it's snow now, this time of year.
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  And then it would never, it wouldn't fully melt until the
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  springtime. You'd have snow on the ground
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  all winter long. That's how Ohio, yeah.
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  Yeah. Not as severe as New York, but
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  that that's how Ohio is. We just have snow for like 4
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  months straight. Yeah, well, it also depends
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  cause I've been all over the country in Ohio.
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  I used to be in Ohio a lot. You know, southern Ohio closer
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  to Kentucky is more like that. But then the further up north
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  you go close to Michigan, you know, Toledo and up that away.
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  Yeah, yeah. You guys can get some.
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  You guys can get some pretty dicey winters from my
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  recollection. Oh yeah.
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  So you're a you're a Midwesterner Ohio native.
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  Is that, is that your home state?
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  Is that where you're from? Yep.
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  Yeah. Cool.
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  And you've you've been sorry. Go ahead.
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  Born and raised. Born and raised.
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  OK, what's that team up? Is it the Buckeyes?
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  Is that what it is? Buckeyes.
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  Yeah. I don't know, I'm not a big
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  sports, sports guy, but I feel like that's the one of the
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  sports teams up there. But so you're an Ohio native and
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  you are a Pagan yourself, a proclaimed Pagan of about 15 or
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  so years is what you were about. And I think recently you said
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  you, you kind of found your way back into the Norse variety of,
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  of paganism. So I was wondering, would you
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  mind like giving us a little bit of your background, like what
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  where your origins of paganism started with and when and what
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  kind of where you, you know, where your journeys brought you
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  in paganism, where it started, where it brought you and, and
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  where you're at now? When I when I was younger, I, I,
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  I tried my best to be Christian and it just never felt right.
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  Never the whole 1st 18 years of my life.
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  It just, it just didn't feel right.
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  I didn't feel it, you know, and once I discovered that I didn't
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  have to do that. I could be religious without
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  being religious. I just like, I don't know, I
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  felt it with paganism originally Wiccan and I found, I found
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  Wiccan and I, I really felt something with that.
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  And I was like, I just, I latched to it.
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  It just, it just felt right. And then I found the Greek gods
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  and I for the last, for probably close to a decade, I've followed
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  the Greek gods and had to start and restart my path because of
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  misinformation and my own naivety.
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  And maybe 4-4 years ago I I heard, I heard a female voice
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  tell me you're a Norseman. It's time to act like it.
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  And I meditated on it for hours in the coming weeks.
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  And I just made the decision like it's let's, let's do it.
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  Go all in. Start from the very beginning,
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  start from scratch and work my way back up to, you know, like
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  doing my own research, reading books, collecting information,
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  and then researching that information.
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  So I can't stress enough, do your research.
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  Anyone listening don't. Do not trust.
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  Don't trust people, but don't blindly trust people if that
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  makes any sense. Yeah, no, I think you know, when
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  it, when it comes to any sort of path that you feel convicted in
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  or any sort of the direction that you feel drawn to, knowing
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  what you're doing, knowing what you're taught, knowing, knowing
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  the source of things, you know what I mean?
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  Knowing where it comes from, knowing what information is good
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  information and knowing and, you know, knowing how to identify
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  good versus bad. And what that looks like,
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  especially in a Pagan context, 'cause I think if you've got,
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  you know, 15 years of, of being Pagan and it's a mixed bag of,
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  you know, Wicca and then, you know, Hellenistic and then
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  Norse, you know, you've got a, you got a variety of things that
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  you've done. But like one of the, one of the
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  recurring themes that I see happening in, in a lot of Pagan
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  circles is, is this kind of overarching attitude of, you
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  know, you're doing it wrong or you're not doing it right, or
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  you know what is right, what is wrong, what is, you know,
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  exactly that. So that's a whole conversation
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  to get into with with that as well.
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  I think research and knowing your sources and all that has a
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  place kind of in that conversation, right?
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  Right, yeah. And I think I think research
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  should be as important as venerating the gods and
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  ancestors and whatever else you venerate, because research is
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  how you connect with them on like a deeper level.
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  The the more you research, the more connected you are to your
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  higher powers. I was when you said earlier that
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  you kind of started off in Wicca and that was, you know, 15 or
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  more years ago. I hear that a lot from, like,
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  that seems to be like the most easily researchable or
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  accessible or, I don't know, the most popular version of Paganism
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  'cause there's, you know, dozens or hundreds of, you know,
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  different varieties of Paganism. Every culture has had their
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  Pagan era, you know what I mean? You know, So it's interesting.
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  That's where you started, like so many others.
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  And then you said that you heard a female voice.
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  I wanted to maybe ask you a little bit about that.
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  Do you remember what the like, can you like tell us what was
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  happening, where you were, what you were doing when you heard
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  this voice? Was it during a ritual?
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  Was it at a private, you know, were you asleep?
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  Was it a dream? Like, could you describe a
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  little bit more about that, that moment in time that kind of
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  brought you to this awareness to pursue Norse paganism?
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  It's actually kind of a funny story.
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  We were. Me and my brother and I were
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  driving. We used to live farther away
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  than we do now, like an hour away from like everyone that we
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  know. And we were driving up to, we
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  were driving up to his mom's, my adopted mom.
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  And I just remember hearing the voice on the road as he was
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  driving. And I don't remember repeatedly
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  hitting him in the arm and saying, I got to be Norse Pagan,
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  like, out of the blue. And he's like, what are you
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  going on about? And I explained it to him, and
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  he said, yeah, you heard. You heard a goddess.
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  And I was like, I know I did, didn't I?
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  So is he or was he at the time, did he have any like awareness
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  or understanding or is he Pagan himself?
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  Like is there was there any connection with him and in that
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  path too for him to be like? He's Christian.
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  He's experimented with paganism and Wicca, but he's supportive
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  at the same time. Very, very supportive.
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  That's cool. Yeah, Yeah, 'cause when you
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  mentioned that you, you know, couldn't find, like it never
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  felt right for you Christianity, it almost begs the question as a
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  follow up, like was that a, was that a very present place in, in
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  your youth growing up? Like where you're, was it a
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  family, a Christian family, 'cause that's where I came from,
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  was a family of Christians. You know, everybody back as far
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  as I know, in my family were some sort of Christian, whether
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  Catholic, Protestant, whatever, you know what I mean?
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  Like they were something like that.
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  So even RE and paganism was not part of our family's traditions
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  immediately family traditions. So did you grow up in
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  Christianity or was that like just something that was around
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  you and you just never felt that home with it?
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  I grew up Baptist. OK.
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  Yeah, and it's just I've, I've gone to maybe 5 or 6 different
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  denominations in my youth just trying to feel it and it never,
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  never felt like it should. It never felt like it never felt
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  like Paganism does. Yeah.
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  It just never felt right. It just, I couldn't feel the,
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  the, the spirit, you know? And man, I did.
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  I did. I like when I was maybe 1819, I
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  participated in a ritual for the first time.
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  Goosebumps head to toe, like I felt it everywhere.
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  My aura was like buzzing. I really felt.
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  Yeah. What was it?
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  A was it like a a Wiccan ceremony or was it a heathen
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  like a Norse or dramatic heathen thing?
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  Do you remember what, what, what?
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  The celebration? It was a OK ceremony.
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  Yeah, I've been one. I've been to 1 around.
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  Oh gosh, what was it? It was the end of summer, so I
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  guess it was probably close around to like the autumnal
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  equinox. And I was, I was on a, some
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  property up down in Dunlap, TN and the ceremony was very
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  Wiccan, but it was like an older old school or, or old ways style
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  of a Wicca. Not this like modern Wicca.
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  True, like Wicca, you know what I mean?
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  Like not the modern fluffy Bunny stuff.
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  It was very, it was done in a very like they were calling,
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  they weren't calling the four quarters.
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  They were calling like all 8, you know, Northwest, southwest,
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  this, that and the other. And they were doing a whole
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  thing with it. Really beautiful to see, you
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  know, people who knew what they were doing with this work, with
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  this ritual work to, to lead in that ceremony.
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  So I get what you're saying, you know what those types of things
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  feel like and how that can be like a like, it's a real call.
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  You know what I mean? Like it's a vibration that you
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  can't ignore. Yeah, right.
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  Was that in Ohio then when you when you went to that as well?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a friend of mine that was
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  actually in the coven and invited me to to the ritual.
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  Nice Was the do you remember which?
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  Because they did they do them? I don't know, like I don't know
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  too much about the Wiccan path. Maybe you can illuminate me
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  about, I know you have, there's 8 sabbats, right?
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  So you have eight major holidays or whatever that you do.
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  They do that. They did stuff on.
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  Was it one of the Sabbats that you were invited to?
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  Or was it just like, oh, we're just going to do a random full
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  moon thing or new moon thing or what, whatever.
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  This is the most important freaking holiday.
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  October 31st, that one. Yep.
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  Yep, man, I'll tell you what, I don't care what Pagan kite you
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  are. Anything done around that time
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  of year 'cause I know salon's like a fixed calendar date with
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  the the Norse and the dramatic old ways.
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  Everything is Luna solar. So our our celebrations that
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  happen around the same time of year.
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  As you know, Celtic salon or the wicked celebration of it is
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  winter nights. A lot of times winter nights
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  will fall around or sometimes on the same one of the same day,
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  like sound will fall in and then winter nights will fall either
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  within a week or on the same week or the week after of it.
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  So anyways, that that time of year, a lot of activity, a lot
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  of things going on in the spirit room.
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  You know, they say the veil is thinnest time of year.
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  So, yeah, it's no wonder to me that you said that and you felt
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  what you felt at that time 'cause it's, it's a very active,
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  very, you know, high vibration type time, time of year for
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  sure. I picked a really good time to
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  go to a ritual, I'll tell you that.
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  Yeah, it wasn't like, let's dip your toes in, let's see what you
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  like. No, it's like here, just jump
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  in, dig, you know, into the deep end, head 1st and sink or swim
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  kind of thing. I go bigger, go home, I do
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  everything gnarly. It's just how it is.
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  I mean that's that, you know, that's that's definitely you
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  gonna you gonna what's the the term, you know, F around and
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  find out Faffo, it's you know, you, you're not going to find
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  out unless you fuck around. Oh, I've I've done a lot of
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  that. Yeah, so that's really cool,
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  man, that you your first real Pagan ceremony or ritual was at
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  at such an important holy tide for for Wiccans and other pagans
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  too. That's really cool.
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  Yeah. So was that that was that before
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  or after you heard you're a Norseman that that voice that
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  you that you heard was that so that was that before that?
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  And if so, how far before that, if you can remember?
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  Oh. That was, let's see, I was 18.
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  I'm 34 now. OK, so yeah, and and you heard
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  that, that voice when. Four years.
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  Ago. Four years ago.
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  Oh, OK. So, yeah, so. 1.
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  Good little good, good, good bit of time has passed since then.
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  Now were you a practicing Wiccan or any of it?
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  Like was, was that, was that what you would call yourself?
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  Were you, were you a Wiccan practitioner, practitioner of
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  Wicca before you kind of found yourself or did you not really
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  associate with any labels? I was I was Wiccan for maybe 3
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  or 4 years. Yeah.
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  Before I the Greek gods and goddesses OK and then I I was a
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  practitioner of paganism for the Greek deities for a long time,
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  probably maybe a decade is close to.
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  Yeah. Do you, do you remember what it
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  was that kind of sparked your interest to pursuing the Greek
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  gods and, and that whole mythology and, and, and
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  practices of things? Do you remember what it was that
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  kind of drew your interest to that?
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  Well, I've always been, I've always been a fan of Greek
• 24:20
  mythology. I, I took a course, I took a
• 24:23
  semester of it in high school. I, I, I, I, I just, as a kid, I
• 24:30
  just remember seeing things like the Hercules movies, you know,
• 24:36
  like different God of War games and just different, different
• 24:42
  things that have drawn me in that direction.
• 24:44
  Like at that point in time and over, over the course of that
• 24:52
  almost maybe 8 years, I had just, you know, wanted to absorb
• 25:00
  as much as I could, but the sources weren't exactly the most
• 25:06
  credible I could find because I'm not, I'm not, I'm
• 25:10
  technologically inept. I can't, I'm on a tablet that I
• 25:14
  can barely use and barely use my phone.
• 25:18
  It's. All good, man.
• 25:22
  Yes. Interesting.
• 25:26
  Yeah. You know, there's a.
• 25:26
  There's a lot of that nowadays that people find themselves.
• 25:29
  So it's like it was back in the day, you know, you had to go to
• 25:33
  a library, you had to, you know, open a physical book and sit and
• 25:37
  spend time in between its pages to, to learn anything.
• 25:40
  And now, you know, people walking around, we all got these
• 25:43
  mini computers in our hands and it's, you know, how, how valid
• 25:48
  or how true and how accurate is the information that we're
• 25:51
  looking at in real time? How, how truly accurate is that?
• 25:59
  And, and the ease of accessibility to knowledge, to
• 26:02
  information, I guess really is the is the more accurate way of
• 26:05
  saying it, because knowledge is, is you know, you have to work
• 26:08
  for that, you have to, you can learn anything, but is it the
• 26:13
  right thing? Exactly with with the ease of
• 26:19
  gaining information, you also have ease of spreading
• 26:24
  information. So it's like you, you can easily
• 26:30
  spread misinformation nowadays. It's like you really have to
• 26:37
  like I, I, you're propped up by a book.
• 26:39
  I'm the book I'm reading right now on my altar.
• 26:44
  So with that, that's just the power of gems and crystals, how
• 26:52
  they can transform real life. Gotcha.
• 26:56
  Yeah. Cool, You do a lot of stonework,
• 27:01
  gem works, crystal work still like is that is that a part of
• 27:04
  your? I guess we could say hearth
• 27:06
  cultic individual cultic practice, hearth cult.
• 27:10
  Honestly, it's it's something new to me and it called me, it
• 27:16
  called to me at a store and I I bought it, it just it called
• 27:21
  out. Yeah, it it just, it just it
• 27:27
  reached out and said hey, so I was like OK, and I bought it.
• 27:32
  So yeah, I'm. Just starting, that's the best
• 27:36
  way I think to really, that's the best way to learn honestly.
• 27:40
  You know, there's, there's been a lot of examples that I've
• 27:44
  encountered myself. Maybe you have to where like
• 27:50
  certain authors or certain publications or certain
• 27:53
  websites, but people will say, don't look at that, don't read
• 27:57
  that. And it's like, well, why not?
• 28:02
  Why? Why are you trying to prevent me
• 28:03
  from finding out myself, Right. And it used to be a little bit I
• 28:08
  used to tell people, man, don't buy this book by so and so
• 28:10
  because it's trash, because it's garbage.
• 28:12
  And I'm like, OK, that's that's an object, that's an opinion.
• 28:16
  And maybe my opinion is rooted in valid reasons why, but also
• 28:21
  why should you take my word for how shitty something is?
• 28:24
  Find out for yourself, learn for yourself.
• 28:26
  If anything, you're going to learn something from that,
• 28:29
  right? Yeah, the best example of that
• 28:33
  that I can think of is the story of the Mad Arab.
• 28:37
  I don't know if you know the Necronomicon.
• 28:40
  Oh, but oh. Yeah, dude.
• 28:42
  Oh yeah. In the other room and I haven't
• 28:48
  got I haven't gotten to get back to it yet, but I've got so many
• 28:53
  books on my To Do List. But but yeah, that that that
• 29:00
  book people will. I've heard read, read, read.
• 29:04
  I've heard a void, A void, A void.
• 29:06
  I've heard burn it all. I everything around that book,
• 29:11
  like it's such a split, hot, cold, like there is no in
• 29:17
  between with that book. People either love it or they
• 29:21
  hate it. Wow.
• 29:25
  I in my experience, I don't know about you, but in my experience,
• 29:29
  people either like, adore that book or they just abhor it.
• 29:35
  Yeah, there's certain authors and there's certain even like
• 29:38
  you talk about, you know, the ease of information and, and
• 29:41
  we'll, we'll, we'll include people that create content, you
• 29:45
  know, so, so online nowadays, I mean, every time you can go on
• 29:49
  TikTok, I don't know if you are, but I'm not.
• 29:51
  But I mean people like the, the, the, the, the insurgents of
• 29:55
  Pagan, quote UN quote experts that came to TikTok when that
• 29:58
  platform blew up was like crazy. Like there were, there were
• 30:02
  people that just, you know, I had a dream or I read a book or
• 30:07
  I just got this Mueller. I heard this voice and next
• 30:10
  thing you know, they're like, I'm telling you about how to do
• 30:13
  things like these, these so-called experts or, or leaders
• 30:17
  in in modern Pagan movements. I'm like, who are you and and
• 30:21
  what, what is your background and where are you coming from
• 30:23
  with this? Like it's one thing to just
• 30:26
  casually talk about something, but to come to it from a place
• 30:29
  of authority and to like, listen to me, you know, follow what I'm
• 30:35
  saying. It's like.
• 30:37
  Yeah, self adorned authority. Like I'm, you know what I'm
• 30:42
  talking about because I read a book once.
• 30:45
  Like, no you don't. Nice book.
• 30:48
  I mean it's. Three.
• 30:48
  Yeah, you read a book, read another one and another one and
• 30:54
  another one, then come talk to them and then apply.
• 30:59
  Your knowledge that you got right.
• 31:00
  Like and then do the work. Like don't just let it live in
• 31:03
  the pages of a book. Like let it live through what
• 31:05
  you do that. Was going to end life and come
• 31:10
  talk to me. Yeah.
• 31:14
  Do you have any like, like, you know, 'cause you, you were, you
• 31:18
  were pretty fired up about this when you said it to me.
• 31:22
  You were like, man, you know, I've had to like one of the
• 31:24
  things you said in the e-mail was like, I had to, I'm
• 31:27
  paraphrasing this, but it was something along the lines like
• 31:29
  you had to, you've had to start your journey from scratch
• 31:31
  multiple times because of misinformation or reading.
• 31:39
  And I'm, I don't know, I wanted to ask you, was it like what,
• 31:41
  what was like? Can you share like what that
• 31:44
  experience is like? Like what, what made you finally
• 31:47
  realize that you were being LED in the wrong direction so many
• 31:50
  times that you said, you have to, I have to like reboot.
• 31:53
  I have to start all over again because here I am again being,
• 31:56
  going down this wrong path. Like what was that experience
• 31:59
  like for you and what brought you to the place that you
• 32:02
  realized I'm I'm being LED astray again?
• 32:07
  I have a lot, I have a lot of like positive information, like
• 32:11
  correct information, but I also have a lot of incorrect
• 32:16
  information. So when I switched from, when I
• 32:20
  switched from the Greek to the Norse pantheons, that's when I
• 32:24
  really sat down and meditated on it.
• 32:26
  And I said when I, when I started this, I have to, I had
• 32:30
  to start nothing. I have to take everything that I
• 32:34
  had, put it aside for a second and just start as a newcomer to
• 32:42
  the Norse Panther. That's really when I was like,
• 32:45
  that's the last time that I was like, I'm, I'm starting over one
• 32:51
  more time and I'm doing it right.
• 32:56
  And I have to, I have to do it the right way.
• 33:00
  And yeah, the right way. Me doing the research, reading
• 33:09
  the books. Finding the correct.
• 33:12
  People to follow, making the right connections, read, you
• 33:19
  know, listening to the right podcasts, watching.
• 33:22
  The right YouTube. Videos like.
• 33:27
  Yeah, what like what were some of the?
• 33:32
  What were some of like the? If you can remember like.
• 33:37
  Red flags or green flags like what were the, what were the
• 33:40
  negative and the positive things that people that you and your
• 33:45
  newness like when you when you settled on, OK, I'm approaching
• 33:48
  Norse heathen right now, Norse paganism.
• 33:51
  I'm approaching it as a newcomer.
• 33:52
  I'm not trying to carry baggage from other places with me into
• 33:56
  this, which we can talk about a bit because I think there's a
• 33:58
  place for that in this conversation, right?
• 34:00
  Baggage that we carry with us and, you know, programmed ways
• 34:06
  of thinking our world views, how that informs our religiosity and
• 34:11
  our spirituality. But firstly I wanted to ask
• 34:14
  like, were there certain things that kind of stood out to you in
• 34:17
  both negative and positive ways about how people presented
• 34:21
  themselves? Like was there a certain thing
• 34:23
  that when you saw it, you're like, that's not the path I want
• 34:26
  to go down. Or when you or heard something
• 34:28
  else, you're like, ah, now I can probably that, that that piques
• 34:31
  my interest. I want to pay attention a little
• 34:33
  bit more to what they're saying. Like do you have any examples or
• 34:35
  anything like that that you can recall?
• 34:40
  I. Have a green flag.
• 34:42
  Honestly, and I'm not trying to brown nose here, but you were
• 34:48
  the first green flag on my journey.
• 34:52
  As far as like. Like I hate using this word, but
• 34:57
  as far as like online kind of influencers, no.
• 35:02
  You were the first green flag. That I had on my journey I was
• 35:08
  just trying to, you know, figure out what I was doing with this
• 35:15
  on on this journey, what heathenism is and your.
• 35:21
  Your podcast. Is really helped with that.
• 35:25
  I appreciate that man. And, and, and maybe just maybe
• 35:28
  this is a little bit selfish, but I think it's good to dive a
• 35:32
  little bit into this part of it for the listeners that are maybe
• 35:35
  new to, to what I do. Do you remember what, like what
• 35:40
  was there? Was there an episode?
• 35:42
  Was there a clip? Was there a specific piece of
• 35:46
  content that you saw from me that made you think, I think
• 35:51
  this guy is worth listening to or paying attention to?
• 35:55
  Was there something very specific that kind of hooked you
• 35:59
  into continuing to listen or watch what I do?
• 36:05
  I had almost. Found you early in season 5 and
• 36:13
  I cannot for the life of me remember what exactly the
• 36:18
  episode was, but you were speaking.
• 36:23
  You were so low in that episode, and I just was listening and I
• 36:28
  was like, he? Knows what he's talking about.
• 36:32
  Like you can hear. It in your.
• 36:34
  Tone. You can hear it in your passion.
• 36:36
  You can like you. Can feel.
• 36:40
  Like, this guy knows what he's saying and he believes every bit
• 36:45
  of it. It's not just, oh, I'm going to
• 36:48
  get online and, you know, spout some whatever and no, you really
• 36:57
  feel what you're saying and I can feel it.
• 37:03
  I appreciate it. Agree with me.
• 37:07
  Well, I'm going to. I'm going to.
• 37:09
  Kind of enlighten you as to the reason why I'm asking this
• 37:12
  because I'm not asking it for me, OK I I'm I'm not asking you
• 37:17
  to like what what this is not is like Oh yes, yes.
• 37:22
  Schizo. Tell me how much you loved what
• 37:25
  I do Yes. Feed me grapes.
• 37:27
  No, no, no, no, it's nothing like that.
• 37:28
  What it is is like, OK, you heard you I'm a random person
• 37:34
  that you came across from whatever means right you you
• 37:36
  found a video you heard of podcasts you whatever it came
• 37:40
  through algorithm did what it was supposed to do and it put it
• 37:43
  what I was doing in front of you and you said OK, this guy he's
• 37:46
  talking with he's talking with passion he's talking with
• 37:51
  authority. He sees he's he's being he has
• 37:54
  conviction in what he's saying. And the reason why I was asking
• 37:57
  like, what were some of these things that that stood out to
• 37:59
  you is because if I'm doing it, is it are, are these things that
• 38:06
  others should be looking for 'cause I'm not the only one out
• 38:09
  here, you know, I'm not going to be the only one out here
• 38:11
  forever. So like, what would we be some
• 38:14
  things for people to, to pay attention to or to look for in
• 38:18
  this landscape of content creators where there's, you
• 38:22
  know, they're a dime a dozen. They're they're out here, you
• 38:25
  know, stitching videos, whatever the hell that means and
• 38:29
  duetting, you know, and, and responding to this and that.
• 38:33
  And I go in this age. Of just.
• 38:36
  Like short form content where people can only like their
• 38:39
  attention span the show so short to be hooked in by a phrase or a
• 38:45
  scene or something in a short period of time.
• 38:48
  What is it about the character of a person that can kind of?
• 38:54
  Like plant a seed. Into in in in somebody's mind to
• 38:59
  be like, I want to hear more of what they.
• 39:01
  Have to say. You know, so that's that's why
• 39:07
  I. Asked it man that.
• 39:08
  That's why I wanted to know, like, was it maybe, you know, a
• 39:12
  topic that I was talking about or it was, you know, a guest
• 39:15
  that I had on? I know you already said it was a
• 39:17
  solo thing, but yeah, that's why I was.
• 39:21
  Asking I, I. Don't, I don't need the, I don't
• 39:24
  need the gas and I don't need you to gas me up or anything
• 39:26
  like that. But I appreciate you you saying
• 39:29
  it nonetheless. So, so yeah, like in your
• 39:38
  experience for the last, we'll say 15 plus years, OK, being
• 39:45
  online, watching or listening to other people, what would you
• 39:49
  think or why do you think I guess is the better question,
• 39:52
  like why do you think that there are so many?
• 39:55
  I'll I'll put in air quotes leaders.
• 39:57
  OK, people that want to lead by example, they want to be out
• 40:01
  here in the limelight. They want to, they have a voice,
• 40:03
  they want to say something, right.
• 40:05
  Why do you think there are so many of these people in modern
• 40:07
  Pagan communities that end up misleading others?
• 40:11
  Like is it, is it their ego? Is it their ignorance or is it
• 40:14
  something totally different, do you think?
• 40:17
  I think it's a number. Of things.
• 40:20
  It depends on the person. It might just be like it might.
• 40:24
  Just be ignorance for some. People they, they think that
• 40:28
  what they're saying is right, when in fact they've just not
• 40:33
  done the proper homework to be able to have that kind of say.
• 40:41
  In the. Entire Pagan community and
• 40:44
  people will follow that person in droves as opposed.
• 40:49
  To. Someone like I don't know you
• 40:55
  or. I can get my phone and.
• 41:00
  List a couple of names, but like.
• 41:03
  People. In the community who are really
• 41:05
  putting out positive, informed content that's.
• 41:12
  That's what we should be. Looking for is people that know
• 41:15
  what they're talking about people you know know what
• 41:19
  they're talking about, people with, you know, credentials to
• 41:24
  back it up, maybe not college credentials, but like people
• 41:29
  who. Have really put.
• 41:30
  Time into this, that's what. That's what people should be
• 41:33
  looking for when they look. For a content.
• 41:36
  Creator Somebody who's really put the time in like I'm I'm not
• 41:40
  even there yet and I've. I've been.
• 41:46
  I've been trying. For.
• 41:48
  You know, over a decade and a half to try and figure it out.
• 41:53
  But I'm like I said, I'm just, I'm just starting again.
• 41:58
  So I'm. Yeah, I don't mean to.
• 42:02
  Cut you off. I think it's, I think it's, I
• 42:03
  think one thing that's worth considering when you talk about
• 42:07
  tenure, right? Because I've, I've even, I've
• 42:10
  even made this observation myself.
• 42:13
  You know, we we're. Or at least I've been.
• 42:17
  Exposed. To audiences and and people,
• 42:21
  right, Whether it's colleagues, peers in my community.
• 42:27
  That are. They're all about my respect,
• 42:30
  your elders. And there's this.
• 42:33
  There's this. Heightened awareness to and
• 42:36
  people that have a lot of years under their belt or miles behind
• 42:41
  their tires that have been around for a very long period of
• 42:43
  time are somehow automatically entitled to respect and you know
• 42:53
  this and that and I go, hold on, right?
• 42:56
  Just because you get older does not mean you automatically
• 42:58
  become wiser. I have spoken to people who are
• 43:02
  half my age that we're talking. Circles around me.
• 43:06
  When it comes to things like philosophy and Gnostic religion
• 43:09
  and like Gnosticism and various things that I'm like this dude
• 43:14
  at 1:00. Point in time like I would you.
• 43:15
  Know dude, this is like probably early days of of when I started
• 43:19
  creating content and I was talking to a kid at the time he
• 43:21
  was like 1213 years old and he's like running circles around me
• 43:25
  talking about things I'm like when I was 12 and. 13 I'm like
• 43:29
  playing in. The woods shooting my bow and
• 43:30
  you know, being a kid and he's over here like schooling me on
• 43:33
  on on book knowledge, you know what I mean?
• 43:36
  Now I get it. Like experience is a totally it.
• 43:39
  It's, it's, it's it's own thing. Like I will never stand I, you
• 43:44
  know, my experience can't be put to the flame of somebody who's
• 43:47
  twice my age simply because they've had more years to
• 43:51
  experience things that I have and they're also in the stage of
• 43:54
  their life that I'm not in. So they're experiencing life at
• 43:57
  that stage that is different and unique.
• 44:00
  However, when it comes to like wisdom or, or being a leader of,
• 44:05
  of, of knowledge, right? Like sharing knowledge and and
• 44:09
  trying to. As I'm.
• 44:12
  Growing or as someone is growing is to.
• 44:13
  Help others grow as well. Like that's something I don't
• 44:17
  think that can necessarily be measured by how many Gray hairs
• 44:20
  you have or how many years, how many winters you've lived,
• 44:24
  right? I think that, you know, you, you
• 44:26
  talk about, you know, you 15 years as a Pagan or more and you
• 44:32
  know, I'm 10 years as a heathen solid.
• 44:35
  Like I, I was Christian for most of my adult life into my early
• 44:40
  20s. And then I kind of fucked around
• 44:44
  a little bit and didn't do this, didn't do that.
• 44:46
  And then I didn't know what I believed in.
• 44:47
  And then it wasn't until I was, you know, in my early. 30s.
• 44:53
  That I said. This.
• 44:56
  This heathen path, right? It's, it's, it's pulling me in a
• 45:00
  direction. I have to, I have to give
• 45:01
  attention to this for some reason.
• 45:03
  And I realized what that reason was.
• 45:05
  And it took me this time to realize like it, it's ancestral.
• 45:09
  It's, it's something within me from my ancient roots that is
• 45:13
  wanting to be awakened and you know.
• 45:18
  I, I I could. Have people that are twice my
• 45:21
  age that don't have that degree of wisdom or that degree of
• 45:24
  knowledge because. They didn't have that.
• 45:29
  So I guess, you know, when it comes to time and when it comes
• 45:31
  to measuring things with people and you know, don't your
• 45:38
  experiences are valid? Like you had experiences and
• 45:40
  you've had things that you've learned over the 15 years that
• 45:42
  you've been doing it that are your experiences and anybody
• 45:46
  else listening or you've had those experience and those are
• 45:49
  things that you can take with you and and use to grow with,
• 45:56
  right. So yeah, I went.
• 46:00
  On a tangent there for a bit. But like, I just wanted to kind
• 46:03
  of bring that back to you there, schizo, right?
• 46:06
  Like sure, you've had to, as you say, maybe start over recently
• 46:10
  with Heathenry, but you still have the last 15 years of Pagan
• 46:17
  experiences where, you know what is that?
• 46:19
  That is connecting to divinity within.
• 46:22
  That is connecting to the spirit that exists in things around us,
• 46:25
  the land, the the trees, the wind, the water that everything
• 46:29
  is is contains spirit and then and that's what paganism at
• 46:32
  large if you want to really kind of try to summarize a.
• 46:37
  A. An umbrella.
• 46:38
  Term right? It is existing with with the
• 46:40
  spirit of nature around us. No matter what other type of you
• 46:45
  know, Celtic, paganism, Asiatic, you know, Hellenistic, Baltic,
• 46:52
  Norse, any culture. Yeah.
• 46:59
  I'm Native American. I mean, bingo, the list goes.
• 47:04
  On yeah, yeah, it's a you know, and you know you you talked
• 47:08
  earlier about being at you know, your your first legitimate Pagan
• 47:16
  ceremony or ritual was was during salon.
• 47:19
  I don't even have to. I don't even have to know where
• 47:23
  you were. But I know that you weren't
• 47:25
  indoors. You were outside.
• 47:28
  You were in nature. I was.
• 47:30
  Oh, yeah. I.
• 47:31
  Was I was in the middle of the. Woods.
• 47:35
  Yeah. And there was a.
• 47:38
  Beautiful clearing in the woods, maybe like 2 miles from where we
• 47:45
  were accelerating after and we just hoofed it and then did.
• 47:51
  Did our. Ritual and then went back and
• 47:55
  got really. Hammered.
• 47:58
  Just because it was. It's kind of one of those things
• 48:02
  that happen, you know? What I mean you?
• 48:03
  You, you haloed and you drink meat and you let burn something,
• 48:07
  probably, you know, Yeah. Well, I've had enough meat for
• 48:13
  one life's time. Or might beg to differ.
• 48:21
  Thor must say I'll. Show you a Mead for a.
• 48:23
  Lifetime as he tries to drink the ocean, Right, Right.
• 48:30
  I say that with a an Alcoholic Anonymous book 3 feet from me.
• 48:36
  Yeah, I had a little too. I had a.
• 48:39
  Little too much. Fun in my 20s.
• 48:43
  Yeah. So.
• 48:45
  Well, Hey man, if you know. And that's, that's an important
• 48:48
  thing too, is like, you know, a lot of a lot of a.
• 48:54
  Lot of people who I've encountered.
• 48:56
  In Pagan communities, they at. Least what I've observed.
• 49:04
  And I don't know, like, have you, I want to ask you this,
• 49:06
  have you observed people in Pagan communities that you've
• 49:09
  been around? Who?
• 49:13
  Gravitate. Towards the community aspect of
• 49:16
  paganism and then get hooked into the less than healthy
• 49:23
  lifestyle aspects of it they get really heavy into the drink or
• 49:29
  they're unfaithful to their partners or you know what I.
• 49:33
  Mean like there's so many. Of that I've, I've at least been
• 49:36
  exposed to that type of thing. And then you go, how what are
• 49:39
  you doing? You know, what is this?
• 49:41
  This isn't a party culture, you know what I mean?
• 49:44
  Like have you, have you. I know I'm kind of like feeding
• 49:48
  you this, but like, have you experienced those things?
• 49:50
  Have you seen that in your 15 plus years of lot?
• 49:56
  I've seen a. Lot of it in a very.
• 49:57
  Community where people people will go a little heavy.
• 50:03
  On the drink. Yeah.
• 50:06
  And hey, I've been there. I look I'm.
• 50:08
  Not trying to like, shame anybody.
• 50:09
  I mean, I've done that. I've been, I, you know, I've,
• 50:12
  I've drank too much of that, of that meat.
• 50:15
  I, you know, I've, I've gone too crazy.
• 50:16
  I've gone too hard in the paint. And you?
• 50:20
  Know no shame. But or you?
• 50:25
  Know the shame. The shame comes when you.
• 50:26
  Have to learn from it. So yeah, waking up to a spot is.
• 50:30
  Different than you know. Partying.
• 50:33
  After yeah, they're. Very different.
• 50:39
  Yeah. Yeah, it is very different, you
• 50:43
  know. Knowing.
• 50:46
  Knowing when the right time and. When the right places for these
• 50:49
  types of things. I mean, I know you're.
• 50:53
  Relatively. New with Heathenry of the last,
• 50:57
  you know, few years. But I'm sure you talk about the
• 51:00
  importance of research, right? And knowing your sources, what
• 51:04
  do you think is probably one of the most important?
• 51:09
  Sources One of the one of the most.
• 51:10
  Important things to research coming into heathenry if you
• 51:14
  were to pick like your books, like what do you what would you
• 51:17
  say is is is important, critical even to research I would say
• 51:25
  the. First thing.
• 51:27
  In my mind, the one of the first things that he used to read or
• 51:31
  listen to is the Hoffman law. That should be high on the list
• 51:39
  of the first things that you read because I mean for so many
• 51:45
  reasons, but it's wisdom straight from Odin.
• 51:51
  The wisest being. We know so.
• 51:57
  Why not read? That one of your first reads and
• 52:01
  then and then You should. Start.
• 52:06
  Where you're comfortable, start. With what you're interested in.
• 52:11
  And and within. The heating community.
• 52:14
  Or outside of the heating community, What what are you
• 52:17
  interested in? What grabs your attention?
• 52:22
  And then? After that you.
• 52:25
  Should really. Buckle down and learn what it.
• 52:30
  Is we are about. Like the sorry.
• 52:40
  I've been. I've had like.
• 52:43
  Two hours of sleep. I can't think right now.
• 52:49
  There the the. Main.
• 52:53
  Books in the. Heathen community that we read
• 52:57
  are. Help me out here you.
• 53:04
  Got the Eddas, you know what I mean?
• 53:05
  So like you. Know the Poetic Edda, That's
• 53:08
  where I want to think of. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was
• 53:12
  trying to think. Of yeah, which the huff them
• 53:15
  all. Is in Yeah, the Huff them All is
• 53:17
  the poem in the Poetic Edda. And then, of course, you know,
• 53:21
  Snorri's Prose Edda, which has a few more poems that are not in
• 53:26
  the original codex. But it's interesting that you
• 53:31
  mentioned the haul of them all right, as one of the first
• 53:32
  things, because as we're, as I, you know, as you and I were both
• 53:36
  like thinking about experiences that we had where people just
• 53:39
  get, you know, they get drunk, they get, they get out of sorts.
• 53:42
  And, and they, you know, and that's something that the haul
• 53:45
  of them all mentions, you know, like it warns against, you know,
• 53:49
  having too much to drink and, and, and those sorts of things.
• 53:53
  So even even in the culture, I guess you could say even in the
• 53:56
  Norse and, and all of that, like it was not, it was not a
• 54:01
  honorable thing to get blasted out of your mind on anything, to
• 54:06
  lose your wits 'cause you behave in ways that could bring
• 54:11
  dishonor and, you know, just make you a fool.
• 54:15
  And, and that was your reputation.
• 54:17
  And it gets shattered because now there's the guy that shows
• 54:21
  up and drinks all the ale and drinks all the meat, and then
• 54:24
  you know he's losing his pants and he's being an idiot.
• 54:30
  Holloman actually warns against that, and also warns against
• 54:37
  keep an eye on your enemies as closely as you should.
• 54:40
  Your friends. Yeah, you don't.
• 54:43
  Walk through a door without. Looking both ways, scanning.
• 54:47
  Scenarios 'cause you. Never know where 1 might be
• 54:50
  lurking. And yeah, there's that.
• 54:52
  There's that practical, there's that practical wisdom.
• 54:56
  There's some real mystical type, esoteric if you will, later on
• 55:00
  during like the Runa Mall, where Rosen discovers the mysteries.
• 55:05
  And. And all those things.
• 55:07
  But yeah, there's just the practice, like being a good
• 55:09
  guest, being a good host, being a good person in general, right?
• 55:13
  Just, you know, practice with other people.
• 55:17
  Not messing. With other people's.
• 55:19
  Significant other like there's just so much wisdom packed into
• 55:23
  such a small space. Yeah, it's like how can you not
• 55:27
  get through it? It just.
• 55:31
  Like. It's it's an easier read than
• 55:35
  most Norse like. Things you could it's.
• 55:43
  It's an easier read. Yeah, yeah, start.
• 55:46
  I get what you're saying because it it it read it and I do you
• 55:49
  have do you have any idea why you think that is?
• 55:52
  I'm was going to ask you like, do you think why the haul of
• 55:54
  them all tends to be one of the more widely suggested pieces of
• 55:59
  reading material for newer heathens or for people just
• 56:02
  getting into reading? Like why do you think that the
• 56:04
  haul of them all tends to be like high on the list of things?
• 56:08
  I think because. There's a lot of wisdom.
• 56:10
  And a short span like there's, there's, there's so.
• 56:16
  Much to be. Explored and introduced and
• 56:22
  rediscovered and, and every time I read it, I find something new,
• 56:28
  like it's just, you know. Yeah, it's just.
• 56:32
  A masterpiece. Well, you say like it's one of
• 56:35
  the easier things. To read, right, like you
• 56:37
  mentioned it as being like not as tedious or maybe not as
• 56:40
  difficult. I think a lot of that has to do
• 56:43
  with the Yeah, it's short, yeah. There's like what is.
• 56:46
  It 140 something stanzas, you know what I mean?
• 56:49
  So like, you can knock that out, you know, while you're taking a
• 56:52
  dump if you really wanted to, if it's a, if it's a, you know, but
• 56:58
  I think maybe that one of the reasons why, because it also
• 57:00
  depends on the translation. You've got, you know, Oliver
• 57:04
  Gray, you've got Hollander, you've got Thorpe, you've got,
• 57:08
  you know, all these various linguistic translations of the
• 57:12
  oven Mall. There's.
• 57:15
  There's one called the Cowboy. Oven mall that I've that I've
• 57:18
  also found that it's it's it's less like it's, it's more laxed
• 57:28
  in the way it's worded so that it's it's it's more digestible.
• 57:34
  Yeah. What Jackson?
• 57:35
  Crawford did with that. One, I have a copy of it as
• 57:38
  well. I actually have.
• 57:41
  I have his translation of the Poetic Edda on my bookshelf and
• 57:45
  then I have a copy of cowboy haul of them all that he wrote.
• 57:52
  So Jack Jackson Crawford's a linguist.
• 57:53
  I think everybody that listens to my podcast knows who Jackson
• 57:56
  Crawford is. He's an, he's a linguistic
• 57:59
  expert. That's his field of study.
• 58:02
  He's not Pagan, but he's a linguist in Old Norse languages
• 58:07
  and myth. He's he's, he's very well, very
• 58:09
  well versed in, in the various sagas.
• 58:13
  So when Jackson translated the cowboy haul of them all, you
• 58:16
  know he's he's, he's translating a text that he knows what the
• 58:20
  Codex manuscript. Says from old.
• 58:24
  Norse. He's, you know, he's read those
• 58:26
  manuscripts. So he knows from a linguistic
• 58:28
  standpoint, OK, if I'm going to write this in the words and in
• 58:32
  the manner in which a, you know, late 19th century cattle
• 58:38
  rustler, a cowboy would, would, would read such a thing.
• 58:42
  Like he knows what to say and how to say it.
• 58:45
  And that appeals to most American readers because
• 58:49
  obviously that's part of our heritage, part of our history as
• 58:52
  a country, right, as a nation is, is the American West and the
• 58:54
  Cowboys and this and that. So it hits a real good nerve, I
• 58:58
  think for for American readers especially to to see that what's
• 59:04
  interesting for me. Though is like with.
• 59:06
  The hall of them all and with a lot of the the, the poems from
• 59:09
  that era is getting into the, the poeticness of it, right?
• 59:14
  How they would write their, the meter in which they would say
• 59:17
  things, right. So there was the alliteration of
• 59:21
  Skaldak poetry that you had to, we talked about research, right?
• 59:26
  You had to know what you were doing back then to be a scald
• 59:32
  and to be a good one. You know what I mean?
• 59:37
  If you were a good one, you were you were given.
• 59:42
  A very high status in. Society, you know, you, you were
• 59:46
  telling stories for kings or nobles or you know what I mean?
• 59:49
  You were, you're kind of a big deal so.
• 59:54
  When it comes to like. Reading those things, I
• 59:57
  understand like with with some people, how that can be kind of
• 1:00:00
  tedious. It can be kind of a of a of a
• 1:00:02
  tiresome read because it's like nobody talks like this anymore.
• 1:00:07
  You know, no talks in that pattern, in that alliteration,
• 1:00:10
  in that, you know, it's like reading Shakespeare.
• 1:00:13
  Almost. For for English, you know what
• 1:00:15
  I'm saying? It's it's nobody really talks
• 1:00:19
  like that. Like if you find.
• 1:00:24
  Like I find other versions of the Harlem all to be more like
• 1:00:30
  beautiful and poetic, but Jackson Crawford.
• 1:00:34
  Is just. Way more digestible for, for
• 1:00:38
  like the typical person, because you're right, people don't talk
• 1:00:42
  like that anymore. It's it's beautiful the way it's
• 1:00:47
  written in other versions, but it's understandable from Jackson
• 1:00:52
  Crawford. Like I get that typical American
• 1:00:56
  pick it up and know what you're talking about as opposed to
• 1:00:59
  having to read it 10 times because you're like, what does
• 1:01:02
  that mean? Yeah, it just.
• 1:01:05
  Kind of. Spoken plainly instead of
• 1:01:09
  spoken. Poetically.
• 1:01:12
  It's like. You can take your pick.
• 1:01:14
  Or read both? Why not both?
• 1:01:17
  Why not read? Jackson Crawford SO.
• 1:01:19
  You know what this means when you move on to different
• 1:01:22
  versions? Like why not?
• 1:01:24
  Why not get 5 different versions of the haul of them all?
• 1:01:27
  Read them all like that's that's possible.
• 1:01:31
  I mean, I've got I. Guess that I've got Jackson
• 1:01:32
  Crawford's translation. I've got, I've got a little
• 1:01:39
  about a decade or so ago, my wife got me this little, it's a
• 1:01:41
  little pocket Hovamal. So it's, it's just the Hovamal,
• 1:01:45
  but I think it's Oliver Bray's translation.
• 1:01:50
  I've got, you know, PDFs or whatever that I kept, like
• 1:01:54
  digital copies of Hollander's translation.
• 1:01:58
  Carolyn. What's her name?
• 1:02:01
  Carolyn. Levington I think maybe.
• 1:02:06
  Anyway, she does a really great translation too.
• 1:02:09
  Like there's so many people who have studied the languages and
• 1:02:13
  have translated them into modern English.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah. Read them all.
• 1:02:18
  Read you. Know 'cause you'll.
• 1:02:20
  You'll pick up on different things.
• 1:02:21
  One linguist might translate a word in from Old Norse one way
• 1:02:27
  that another linguist, for their reasons, translate it into being
• 1:02:32
  a slightly different word. You know or or.
• 1:02:36
  A word that means something. Similar, but in a different
• 1:02:38
  context. That sort of thing.
• 1:02:39
  Read them all like at this. At at that.
• 1:02:43
  Point like like having. The.
• 1:02:47
  The perspective of Jackson Crawford and having Hollander
• 1:02:51
  and having all these translations, like there's
• 1:02:54
  really no excuse not to read it, no.
• 1:02:58
  No matter of fact, there's just so many possibilities.
• 1:03:04
  That exactly. Why not read them all?
• 1:03:08
  Yeah, there's. Even a few.
• 1:03:10
  There's even. Some, some sites that I found
• 1:03:13
  which will, they'll have the stanzas written out, They'll,
• 1:03:18
  they'll, they'll write it out in Old Norse and then they'll put 3
• 1:03:23
  or 4, sometimes more translations side by side of the
• 1:03:27
  same stanza from different translators translations.
• 1:03:32
  So it'll be like, here's the Old Norse text, right?
• 1:03:34
  And then here's the Bray translation, here's the bellows
• 1:03:37
  translation, here's the Hollander, here's the right.
• 1:03:40
  And you get to read how the author conveyed the meaning of,
• 1:03:47
  of that verse through their knowledge at the time.
• 1:03:54
  And that's to be, that's the thing about like languages that
• 1:03:56
  aren't spoken anymore. Now, obviously nobody's speaking
• 1:03:58
  Old Norse anymore. I think the closest language
• 1:04:01
  that we have alive today that resembles that is modern
• 1:04:04
  Icelandic. But when you really get into
• 1:04:08
  the, the roots of, of words and, and where they all come from,
• 1:04:11
  it's like you, you get into the, the cognition of words and where
• 1:04:15
  this, you know, this is a word that comes from that word, which
• 1:04:17
  comes from a, a root word that is so old that it's, you know,
• 1:04:23
  567-8000 years old or more because it's proto Indo European
• 1:04:28
  and nobody's even speak like it's all reconstructed at that
• 1:04:31
  point. So it is, it's a, it's a really
• 1:04:33
  wild thing. And I don't know, like we could,
• 1:04:35
  that's a whole, like that's a whole topic to, to really get
• 1:04:40
  down into another episode. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:44
  But I wanted to, I wanted to kind of key in.
• 1:04:46
  On what you were so key, so, so like, you know, you really put a
• 1:04:52
  focus on misinformation or, you know, having to start over
• 1:04:59
  because you know, you read the wrong thing or this or that.
• 1:05:03
  What was like, what do you have any examples of, of, of what you
• 1:05:06
  encountered that 'cause you know, you talked about coming
• 1:05:09
  from Wicca and then to Greek and then it's a Norse.
• 1:05:12
  And the one of the things that kind of just stuck in my mind as
• 1:05:14
  I'm hearing about it is that, OK, maybe it's not that the
• 1:05:17
  information was wrong inherently.
• 1:05:20
  And I say. Wrong, like with air quotes,
• 1:05:21
  like it wasn't wrong as being inaccurate, it just didn't apply
• 1:05:24
  to the path that you were pursuing at the time, right.
• 1:05:28
  Maybe some of the things that surround the Greek IDs or
• 1:05:33
  ideologies or or approaches to divinity don't quite fit into
• 1:05:38
  the Norse or Germanic structure of things.
• 1:05:42
  So like what Like what were your like?
• 1:05:45
  How do you vet or or like? Cat like how do you vet new?
• 1:05:51
  Sources like, oh, I'm coming up on something, you know, this is
• 1:05:54
  a new influencer. I just found this guy or this
• 1:05:56
  gal online or I just found this book.
• 1:05:59
  Like what it like do you have like a a process that you use to
• 1:06:02
  vet the new source that you're encountering before you find
• 1:06:06
  that you they are trustworthy or worth putting more investment
• 1:06:11
  into with listening and following what they're doing?
• 1:06:16
  Honestly, with Google nowadays and people's like.
• 1:06:26
  I'm trying to find a word but like.
• 1:06:28
  With people's back catalogs and everything else.
• 1:06:33
  Do your research. Do your listener.
• 1:06:36
  Do your research. Follow.
• 1:06:40
  Follow your instincts, follow your gut.
• 1:06:44
  Use use all 5 senses and all. 6 or 7.
• 1:06:50
  Senses because. You know.
• 1:06:53
  All 5 senses are not where it stops.
• 1:06:58
  You've got your sense of spirit. And your sense of aura, so use
• 1:07:05
  those too. So do you think that?
• 1:07:11
  If you encounter one person's, I'm just going to use an
• 1:07:14
  example, right? Let's say you you you just come
• 1:07:16
  across one person's video online, or you Googled something
• 1:07:21
  and you found an article that they wrote.
• 1:07:26
  Do you think that you can? Determine, based off that one
• 1:07:30
  encounter whether or not it's worth pursuing their information
• 1:07:38
  further. Like, oh, let me go read some
• 1:07:39
  more of their stuff, or let me go watch some more of their
• 1:07:42
  stuff. Or should it be, Hey, I found
• 1:07:45
  it. Let me let me read some more,
• 1:07:48
  let me look into this some more, right?
• 1:07:50
  Is there is there anything that you think that just initially
• 1:07:52
  can come through from that one time encounter that can put you
• 1:07:58
  on the trajectory to continue? With that.
• 1:08:04
  I think I. Think the first thing.
• 1:08:06
  You should look for when you find encounter something new,
• 1:08:11
  whether it be a book, whether it be an influence, or whether it
• 1:08:15
  be a podcast, TV show, you know, anything.
• 1:08:22
  You should first, you should first thing you should do is
• 1:08:28
  just is research legitimacy. And the second thing you should
• 1:08:33
  do is you should find out if it's even worth your time.
• 1:08:40
  You know, like find out if. It's legitimate, and then find
• 1:08:44
  out if it's worth diving into, and then find out if it's right
• 1:08:49
  for you on your path. As an.
• 1:08:53
  Individual because we all walk different paths and not.
• 1:09:00
  You know what? I.
• 1:09:01
  Well, works for me, may not work for you or any anybody
• 1:09:04
  listening. So, you know, we've got to find
• 1:09:07
  it for ourselves. Yeah.
• 1:09:11
  There's an interesting kind of like, I don't want to say tactic
• 1:09:14
  or, or method, maybe is, is another way, but like one of the
• 1:09:18
  things that I've kind of employed with with how I learn
• 1:09:24
  things or, or absorb knowledge and, and, and where I go to
• 1:09:28
  pursue it is, you know, I might, I might use the Internet to
• 1:09:32
  Reese like to, to look up information about something.
• 1:09:35
  And of course, this the, you know, the internet's going to
• 1:09:37
  provide search results based off of my.
• 1:09:41
  Keywords, right? So I'm being given clues, I'm
• 1:09:44
  being given, you know, directions that I could
• 1:09:48
  potentially go down. I'm, I'm on a path now.
• 1:09:50
  I've, I've, I've, I've put my virtual feet in motion, right.
• 1:09:56
  And and then now along my path, I've got, I've got this stick
• 1:10:02
  over here that's. That I could I that I could
• 1:10:06
  maybe. Use for something, whether it's
• 1:10:09
  walking support or whether it's defending myself against I'll
• 1:10:15
  doers or wild animals. Or maybe it could help with, you
• 1:10:19
  know, supporting me. If I'm injured or.
• 1:10:23
  Raising a shelter, right? And now I'm walking down a
• 1:10:25
  little bit further, right? And now this other link or this
• 1:10:28
  other thing I've got a pile of, you know, I got.
• 1:10:33
  Some rocks over here you. Know and I'm saying, Oh well, I
• 1:10:35
  could leave those rocks because that I don't I don't think I
• 1:10:38
  need rocks. What could I use rocks for?
• 1:10:40
  That's just going to weigh me down.
• 1:10:42
  So maybe I leave those rocks beside and then I keep walking
• 1:10:45
  Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo right and then oh wow, you know, I found
• 1:10:48
  you know, I found a Grove of trees.
• 1:10:51
  Oh, I'm going to go into these Grove of trees and now the stick
• 1:10:54
  that I have that I picked up and then I kept might be something
• 1:10:58
  that I can use in this Grove of trees 'cause now I can, you
• 1:11:01
  know, use it to dig a hole or I can use it to, you know what I'm
• 1:11:03
  saying? So there's like tools that that
• 1:11:05
  come up on our path that we can choose to pick up or we can
• 1:11:08
  choose to not. It, it maybe doesn't mean that
• 1:11:12
  they're inherently useless or that they're wrong.
• 1:11:15
  It's just that, well, maybe just doesn't fit for the application
• 1:11:17
  in which I'm. The path that I'm walking.
• 1:11:22
  You know, or I pick everything up and I'm encumbered with all
• 1:11:25
  this shit and now I've got to figure out what do I leave?
• 1:11:28
  What do I set aside? What do I carry with me?
• 1:11:30
  Because now I'm overburdened by all this junk, all this
• 1:11:32
  knowledge, all this stuff. And now I got to figure it out.
• 1:11:35
  Now I got to all right, put it all down.
• 1:11:37
  What do I need? Nope.
• 1:11:38
  This, this belongs here. That belongs there, you know and
• 1:11:41
  and triage the situation and figure out.
• 1:11:44
  OK, now I've got. Something I can work with?
• 1:11:46
  I can build a shelter out of this.
• 1:11:48
  I can build a fire pit out of that.
• 1:11:49
  I can make a, you know, whatever.
• 1:11:52
  That's kind of like how I look at it.
• 1:11:54
  I don't know, maybe that. Yeah, I play a lot.
• 1:11:57
  I play a lot of. Video games and as an as a as an
• 1:12:04
  example to what you're saying in a lot of video.
• 1:12:09
  Games. You have to pick and choose what
• 1:12:13
  items to pick up and what items to leave behind because if not,
• 1:12:18
  then your movement's slow and you get sluggish because you're
• 1:12:21
  just carrying too much. And I think that applies to
• 1:12:25
  knowledge as well, because it slows your progress when you
• 1:12:30
  have just an overwhelming amount of information flooding you too
• 1:12:36
  quickly. That's why I say start with
• 1:12:39
  something like All of them all, because it's simple, yet it's
• 1:12:44
  profound at the same time. You know, yeah.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah, there's short. Bits, you know.
• 1:12:53
  You get the right translation. It's, it's something that you
• 1:12:55
  can relate to. It's practical.
• 1:12:58
  I go back to that word a lot with, with the Hall of Them All.
• 1:13:00
  It's, it's practical. You know, you don't even have to
• 1:13:03
  necessarily even be a heathen or Pagan to agree that what the
• 1:13:07
  Hall of the Mall talks about is practical.
• 1:13:10
  Good advice for anybody. Yeah, right.
• 1:13:14
  You don't have to be. You don't have to.
• 1:13:16
  Be heathen to get something out of the Harlem Mall.
• 1:13:18
  Anyone can, right? I mean, it's, it tells you
• 1:13:23
  things like like how to be a good guest or a host.
• 1:13:27
  That's where it starts. And then it goes into real life
• 1:13:32
  situations like, hey, don't, don't mess with a, you know,
• 1:13:37
  another man's lady, don't do that.
• 1:13:40
  That's not good news. But you know.
• 1:13:43
  And then it and. Then it'll turn around, and then
• 1:13:46
  it'll turn. Around and tell you the.
• 1:13:48
  Fool is. He who?
• 1:13:50
  Drinks past his lemon, you know, and yeah, and it's.
• 1:13:57
  There's just so much. In such a short package that
• 1:14:01
  it's just packed with information that is very useful,
• 1:14:06
  yeah. I don't know how you think about
• 1:14:08
  it, but I've also encountered heathens or pagans that that you
• 1:14:13
  know, they, they, they find the haul of them all and they, and
• 1:14:16
  they look at that as it as if it's like their Bible.
• 1:14:20
  I would caution. Against that.
• 1:14:23
  To people in general, because it's not.
• 1:14:26
  That it's. Not that's not what the haul of
• 1:14:28
  them all ever was, and that's not what any of the source
• 1:14:32
  material when you talk about doing research right and and
• 1:14:35
  learning things, it's not it's not to be we're not replacing
• 1:14:41
  this from like a previous religion that you maybe were
• 1:14:44
  brought up in or or came from where you have this one book of
• 1:14:46
  instructions that tells you what to do.
• 1:14:48
  And if that you don't, you know, whatever.
• 1:14:50
  No, these, you know, they're, they're a lot of it's myth, a
• 1:14:53
  lot of it's stories that have been preserved through time and
• 1:14:59
  you know it. It's linked back to a society
• 1:15:01
  and the way that a culture was living at the time.
• 1:15:05
  They're not to be taken as though they are your book of
• 1:15:08
  instructions. It's like.
• 1:15:11
  If if somebody give. Would give you advice.
• 1:15:15
  You have the. Option.
• 1:15:17
  To ignore it, yes, you know. Yeah, batshit.
• 1:15:24
  Probably happens when you do. But you have the option.
• 1:15:27
  This isn't like the. Almighty words.
• 1:15:33
  But at the same time, it is, it's just wisdom from somebody
• 1:15:37
  who's way more wise than we are, you know?
• 1:15:41
  Yeah, that's, that's how I yeah, It's, you know, again and it's.
• 1:15:45
  Framed around or it's built around a society at the time
• 1:15:48
  that this, this, this made a lot of sense.
• 1:15:51
  It was good practical sense. And if you really strip away the
• 1:15:54
  fat and you get down to brass tacks, it it same thing applies
• 1:15:58
  even today. You know, you get, you get rid
• 1:15:59
  of all the, the nonsense that doesn't mean anything in modern
• 1:16:03
  times. You get back to simplicity.
• 1:16:06
  It's it's. It's good stuff you find.
• 1:16:09
  You find. What means something?
• 1:16:10
  To you, that's what you do personally in my in my journey,
• 1:16:17
  that's that's what I've had to do a lot of is find something
• 1:16:22
  that means something to me and as an individual, you know, as
• 1:16:28
  as a. Spirit you.
• 1:16:30
  Know yeah as a find. As.
• 1:16:34
  A all my, all my moving parts, you know, find something that
• 1:16:39
  really like resonates with you and then run with it.
• 1:16:43
  Find more that resonates with you.
• 1:16:47
  You can never. Never stop.
• 1:16:49
  Learning. We're never done.
• 1:16:53
  I'm not elite. Dude, I'm always learning things
• 1:16:56
  and when it comes to stuff like, you know, learning and sharing,
• 1:17:02
  this is a question that I wanted to throw your way is that that
• 1:17:07
  do you think that there's a difference between people who
• 1:17:11
  are wrong, but they mean well versus someone who's wrong and
• 1:17:19
  they know it and they're just out here like intentionally
• 1:17:23
  trying to? Mislead.
• 1:17:25
  People which I have a hard time believing that there's those
• 1:17:29
  types out here. I, I know there are like there's
• 1:17:32
  people that are so misguided and so enamored with.
• 1:17:37
  Themselves or their own? Ego that they're like, they
• 1:17:39
  think they're the ones that people should follow.
• 1:17:41
  But yeah, I just wanted to ask you like, you know, people that
• 1:17:44
  may be out here saying things that are wrong and they're just
• 1:17:48
  ignorant. They don't know any better.
• 1:17:49
  They. Mean well, but they're wrong in
• 1:17:52
  what they're saying. There's a difference.
• 1:17:56
  There's a There's a huge difference between like innocent
• 1:17:59
  ignorance and. Purposefully.
• 1:18:02
  Misleading people just for the sake of it.
• 1:18:07
  Like there's a huge difference, and I think that a lot of people
• 1:18:11
  today are just innocently ignorant because they.
• 1:18:17
  They don't want to put the time. In because they just, they they
• 1:18:21
  can't put. Down their phone.
• 1:18:22
  For 10 minutes and read a book, you know, you think that's what
• 1:18:27
  it is. You think that people are?
• 1:18:28
  Just like I, I have a voice, I got to say something and now
• 1:18:31
  I've got the means to do it. And instead of doing my
• 1:18:34
  research, I'm just going to believe and and say something.
• 1:18:38
  The word, the word, vomit all. Over the Internet?
• 1:18:41
  Yeah, instead of. Doing research, they're.
• 1:18:45
  Out there watching Tik toks of people who may or may not be
• 1:18:48
  telling the truth and may or may not know what they're talking
• 1:18:52
  about. So if that's the case.
• 1:18:55
  And if and if we're are, if we, if we are truly in a time where
• 1:18:58
  people are just out here blissfully ignorant, right?
• 1:19:02
  They think they they, they may mean well, but they just don't
• 1:19:05
  have the, they don't have any business being in a position.
• 1:19:10
  To tell people. What to think or how to think or
• 1:19:13
  whatever? How do you think we should?
• 1:19:16
  How do you think that that should be confronted?
• 1:19:19
  Or or faced. You know, do we, do we go on
• 1:19:22
  here and we just call people out for their ignorance on every
• 1:19:27
  turn or do we let things go and pick our battles and.
• 1:19:35
  Do our own thing. Where do you sit on it?
• 1:19:40
  Both. Honestly.
• 1:19:42
  Because, you know, I think, I think if you think that somebody
• 1:19:48
  is innocently ignorant, you should try to politely correct
• 1:19:53
  them. And if that.
• 1:19:55
  Doesn't work. Or they get.
• 1:19:58
  Defensive or? Upset then you let it go.
• 1:20:04
  No, because if a lot of a lot of people today, especially
• 1:20:11
  nowadays, like it's just getting worse.
• 1:20:14
  Where people just refuse to be corrected in any way.
• 1:20:23
  Like I, I. Found.
• 1:20:24
  That. Way more than in say, in 2010.
• 1:20:33
  People today are just so egotistical and like to the
• 1:20:42
  point where. They can't be.
• 1:20:43
  Corrected. Yeah, they think that they know
• 1:20:47
  everything about everything and they they just can't handle
• 1:20:54
  criticism. In any form, even if it's.
• 1:21:00
  Polite. So I say to that, I say try try
• 1:21:05
  to correct them. But if you get something.
• 1:21:08
  Nasty. Let it, let it go.
• 1:21:12
  You. Don't need that.
• 1:21:13
  On your. You don't.
• 1:21:15
  You don't need that on your head all the time.
• 1:21:18
  You don't need to be running, arguing with people that are
• 1:21:22
  just blissfully ignorant. And don't we are on the Internet
• 1:21:25
  of all things too, right? I mean, like, look like that's,
• 1:21:28
  that's, that's so much of the reason, like you and I were
• 1:21:30
  talking about this before we started recording tonight, is
• 1:21:32
  that, you know, I've, I've stepped way back.
• 1:21:35
  I've removed myself from I've. I've kept all of my accounts
• 1:21:38
  active for people to find things, but I'm not posting to
• 1:21:41
  them anymore because I don't want to deal with the Internet.
• 1:21:47
  Accounts that want to. Argue.
• 1:21:51
  Like a debate. Is on first of all, OK, if I'm
• 1:21:53
  presenting something and I'm, I'm citing my sources and then
• 1:21:57
  somebody else comes in and says, no, you're wrong.
• 1:22:00
  OK, why am I wrong? Show me where I'm wrong.
• 1:22:02
  Where where am I wrong? Based off of sources based off
• 1:22:06
  of your knowledge. Or at least point me in the
• 1:22:08
  direction so I can research it myself, right?
• 1:22:10
  Don't just come on and be like, I hate what you're saying and
• 1:22:12
  you're an idiot and fuck you. Like OK that's your opinion.
• 1:22:16
  But what? What is your valid argument
• 1:22:18
  here? Like let's have a discussion,
• 1:22:20
  let's have a debate about it. Am I, am I wrong for saying
• 1:22:25
  that, you know, the winter night celebration for the Germanic
• 1:22:28
  people in 2025 was not in October like every Tom, Dick and
• 1:22:33
  Harry was trying to say it was. It was actually in November
• 1:22:36
  because you have to account for the fact that there's a lunar
• 1:22:40
  leap moon or leap year that there were 13 moons in the in
• 1:22:43
  the year. And so we have to account for
• 1:22:45
  that. It's all based off of well
• 1:22:47
  documented. Sources with how the.
• 1:22:49
  Germanic peoples reckoned time. Are you trying to argue with me
• 1:22:53
  off of something else that I don't know?
• 1:22:55
  And if so, where are your sources?
• 1:22:57
  Let me do the research. Let me counteract this, this
• 1:23:01
  argument. If you have 1 and that's fine,
• 1:23:04
  but it can't it, it, it very rarely can be done civilly
• 1:23:07
  online anymore. And that's where I was just
• 1:23:09
  like, you know what do you want to debate with me?
• 1:23:12
  Come over here on Patreon and do it because at least I know that
• 1:23:15
  the audience that's here wants to be here and, and listen.
• 1:23:18
  I'm not trying to avoid discourse.
• 1:23:23
  I'm not trying to avoid conversations or debates.
• 1:23:27
  I'm trying to peace. You know what I mean?
• 1:23:30
  And that's what it's about. It's I, I listen, I, I, I'm, I'm
• 1:23:32
  not the authority. I'm not the end all be all.
• 1:23:34
  I am learning too, and I've been learning for a long time.
• 1:23:38
  So if I've missed something or you found something that is
• 1:23:41
  pivotal to learning, then come along here and, and let's share
• 1:23:46
  in that experience together. Let's not get into this, you
• 1:23:49
  know. You know you don't have the the
• 1:23:54
  senseless teaching. You have something to teach me
• 1:23:57
  or you? Just running your mouth.
• 1:23:59
  To run your mouth right, you want to be a noticed.
• 1:24:02
  On my platform for for being, you know, a jerk.
• 1:24:06
  Listen, I'm not going to give you.
• 1:24:07
  That I'm not going to. I'm going to shut it down.
• 1:24:10
  I'm not. That's not what I'm here for and
• 1:24:11
  that's not what I've been here for.
• 1:24:12
  But that's so much of what I encountered over the the last
• 1:24:16
  nearly a decade so. I just stepped.
• 1:24:19
  Away from you. Have fun with that, you know, do
• 1:24:24
  your thing, but man, you're going to feel way.
• 1:24:28
  More free because maybe two years ago I I got rid of.
• 1:24:35
  All social. Media, yeah.
• 1:24:38
  I literally. Have YouTube and that's it.
• 1:24:43
  That's the highest form. Of social media that I have
• 1:24:47
  right now is YouTube. I I don't have Facebook.
• 1:24:51
  Well, I do, but I have like a handful of.
• 1:24:55
  Friends and I. Stick within my circle and I, I,
• 1:25:00
  I don't have an Instagram. I don't know what TikTok is or
• 1:25:04
  what it's about. I, I don't.
• 1:25:09
  I I don't. I don't mess with it, I just
• 1:25:13
  it's. Not for me it's.
• 1:25:15
  Not my thing, like I said I'm in that technology.
• 1:25:18
  I don't even know how to unmute myself without taking 10 years
• 1:25:23
  like it. I clicked on the I agree like 9
• 1:25:27
  times before I realized I have to click this little box that
• 1:25:31
  says I agree. Don't make it easy for us
• 1:25:34
  either. You know it ain't you like.
• 1:25:40
  All I had to do was click the little box.
• 1:25:42
  But I'm sitting here going why? Why?
• 1:25:44
  And then I read it the red letters and I'm like, oh, click.
• 1:25:48
  And then it worked. I was like now I feel dumb.
• 1:25:54
  Like, I don't know. Like I, I.
• 1:25:56
  Literally. I literally have my first
• 1:25:59
  computer in the other room that I got maybe 2 weeks ago and I
• 1:26:05
  have to I have to have my brother reset it because I don't
• 1:26:08
  know how like. I feel you.
• 1:26:13
  Work in. ITI work in IT and I still
• 1:26:16
  sometimes I'm like make it make sense and it doesn't and you
• 1:26:20
  like you can't logically solution things that technology
• 1:26:24
  does. Sometimes it's I'm literally.
• 1:26:27
  A hit to be kind of. Person work, damn it.
• 1:26:32
  Yeah, that's that's me If it. If hitting it doesn't, if
• 1:26:36
  hitting it doesn't work, then I go get my brother because he
• 1:26:40
  knows more about that shit than I ever will.
• 1:26:46
  No, it's just not my. Thing it's not within my realm
• 1:26:51
  of understanding. I there's, there's quite a few
• 1:26:54
  things that I'm good at. Technology is not one of them.
• 1:27:00
  And nothing wrong with that, you know there's.
• 1:27:01
  Nothing wrong with that at all, but yeah man as.
• 1:27:06
  We get to close and I'm looking at.
• 1:27:07
  Time and stuff I want to get to where we wrap this up here.
• 1:27:09
  We're going for almost an hour and a half and I want to be
• 1:27:11
  respectful of your time and our listeners time because you know
• 1:27:14
  people that that listen and watch this stuff sometimes
• 1:27:16
  they'll pick it up in piece meal, you know, they'll they'll
• 1:27:18
  catch it here or there. So for anybody that's made it
• 1:27:21
  this far in the episode, definitely appreciate it and
• 1:27:24
  we're going to be wrapping things up here here pretty soon.
• 1:27:28
  So let me see, I had one. More one more question and.
• 1:27:32
  Then we're going to get into this system, which is like fun
• 1:27:34
  random things. Have you noticed a?
• 1:27:38
  Certain. Type of.
• 1:27:42
  Misinformation. From any path, whether it be the
• 1:27:45
  Wiccan or the Greek or the Norse path, right?
• 1:27:49
  Have you noticed that there's a certain type of misinformation
• 1:27:52
  that just kind of keeps resurfacing in the like Pagan or
• 1:27:57
  heathen scenes? Things that you've noticed that
• 1:28:00
  you go, man, I know the right answer to this.
• 1:28:02
  Why is this misinformation constantly coming up?
• 1:28:09
  I think. The first thing you should look
• 1:28:12
  for is how they pronounce sowing.
• 1:28:17
  If if you hear them say. Samhain, they do not know what
• 1:28:22
  they're talking about. Step away.
• 1:28:26
  Yeah, I. Have experienced.
• 1:28:28
  I have experienced pagans that have decades in in this path
• 1:28:35
  that still pronounce it Samhain and it drives me up the fucking
• 1:28:41
  wall. It really does.
• 1:28:45
  Like yeah, it. Just drives me nuts.
• 1:28:50
  And another thing is you really should like just be observant.
• 1:29:00
  In with all of your senses. Because if something isn't
• 1:29:04
  right, there are clues. There are big clues and I'm too
• 1:29:12
  tired to list them, but there are.
• 1:29:15
  Clues and. You can spot.
• 1:29:18
  A bullshitter. From a mile away sometimes, a
• 1:29:22
  lot of times because of just things that they do and say
• 1:29:27
  doesn't make sense and then you research it and you find out
• 1:29:32
  he's talking. Out his ass.
• 1:29:33
  Or she she does not have a clue what she's talking about.
• 1:29:38
  Does this person just is full of shit.
• 1:29:43
  You know what if you could give advice.
• 1:29:48
  To yourself, like to your younger self, like you're 15
• 1:29:51
  years and however many months or whatever deep into your Pagan
• 1:29:55
  journey. If you could give one piece of
• 1:29:57
  advice to your younger self when you first started your path,
• 1:30:00
  what would it be? Read.
• 1:30:04
  Read. Not websites, not random posts
• 1:30:12
  that people on the Internet do. Read established authors.
• 1:30:19
  Research what you're reading, you know, do your damn.
• 1:30:24
  Homework. I can't.
• 1:30:27
  Stress that and. Yeah.
• 1:30:29
  Do. The work.
• 1:30:32
  I mean the hard work. Beats talent.
• 1:30:36
  When talent don't work, it's just, it just does say that one
• 1:30:40
  more time, so. I said hard work.
• 1:30:43
  Beats. Talent when talent doesn't work
• 1:30:47
  hard. Hell yeah.
• 1:30:55
  I think it was Kobe. Bryant that.
• 1:30:57
  Said that and he was one. Of the most hard.
• 1:31:01
  Working person, people I've ever seen in the sporting world or
• 1:31:06
  beyond so. Are you you?
• 1:31:11
  Put in. Sorry, go ahead.
• 1:31:15
  I was. Just finishing.
• 1:31:19
  You know, you just. You just got to put in.
• 1:31:20
  The work. Do you?
• 1:31:24
  Are you old enough to? Remember reading Rainbow?
• 1:31:27
  Levar Burton? Yeah.
• 1:31:31
  Remember, Remember every. After every episode, he would
• 1:31:36
  have his little thing, and then the last thing that he would say
• 1:31:39
  was you don't have to take my word for it.
• 1:31:44
  And that was what, like my generation and maybe some of
• 1:31:49
  your generation. I know we're a few years apart,
• 1:31:52
  but you're not that much further younger than me.
• 1:31:55
  You know, you don't have to take my word for it.
• 1:31:58
  We grew up hearing an influencer of the time somebody was on TV
• 1:32:03
  reading books and talking about things, ending his whole spiel
• 1:32:09
  with don't take my word for it, read the book yourself.
• 1:32:13
  Do the damn work with yourself. Like this should be this.
• 1:32:18
  This should be the. Continued theme This should be
• 1:32:21
  the continued spirit of what people.
• 1:32:25
  Are saying like listen. I'm writing blog articles, I'm
• 1:32:27
  doing podcasts, I'm speaking out on a platform about things.
• 1:32:31
  But at the end of the day, you ain't got to take my word for
• 1:32:34
  it. Go, go, go search for it
• 1:32:37
  yourself. If I could find it, you could
• 1:32:38
  find it. Or if you're having a hard time
• 1:32:40
  finding it and you're needing some guidance, sure, I'll point
• 1:32:43
  you in the right direction. You know, I'm not going to give
• 1:32:45
  you the answer myself per SE, but I'm going to like, hey, this
• 1:32:48
  is what I can find. And I tried to do that with so
• 1:32:50
  much of my stuff throughout the years Is this is what I'm saying
• 1:32:53
  and here's the source is where I got it from citation, but you've
• 1:32:57
  put in. You've put in the work to earn
• 1:33:01
  that knowledge that you can then pass on to others.
• 1:33:06
  You have to work. For it you.
• 1:33:08
  Can't just cheat and take, you know, everything from everyone
• 1:33:15
  and then call it done. That's what I did and it didn't
• 1:33:18
  work, you know? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:22
  Right, the last. Or so years I've really put my
• 1:33:26
  head down and I've I've really been trying to study as hard as
• 1:33:31
  I can with, you know, with a little free time I have so that
• 1:33:35
  I can be a better Pagan that should.
• 1:33:40
  Be the goal every. Day, every week, every month,
• 1:33:43
  every year is to just simply be a better Pagan, be a better
• 1:33:49
  person and be a better entity. If you know everything improved,
• 1:33:57
  yes, you know it doesn't. Matter.
• 1:34:00
  It doesn't matter if you improve an inch or a mile, just improve,
• 1:34:05
  right? Exactly.
• 1:34:08
  Right. You know it's.
• 1:34:09
  It's not about, you know, a friend of mine, a brother of
• 1:34:12
  mine, he says something that I, that I think is really cool.
• 1:34:15
  He's like, it's not about, you know, it's not about the race.
• 1:34:20
  It's at our own pace, right? So whatever progress you make,
• 1:34:25
  like you said, whether it's an inch or or more, whatever, like
• 1:34:29
  progress, be a better version of yourself today than you were
• 1:34:33
  yesterday, 'cause we're, we don't know what we don't know
• 1:34:36
  what the best version of ourselves is, because that,
• 1:34:39
  that's, that's out out of our scope.
• 1:34:41
  We can we, we know that, OK, I was this way today.
• 1:34:45
  How can I be a better version of this tomorrow when I get that
• 1:34:49
  journal is the best? Version of.
• 1:34:52
  You it's just. You get better.
• 1:34:56
  And better and better. It's just the the journey of
• 1:35:00
  life is just seeing how good you can get, yeah.
• 1:35:04
  How you know how knowledgeable? You can be how how you know good
• 1:35:10
  of a human being or a Pagan or whatever you want to do even
• 1:35:15
  like. I'll use the.
• 1:35:18
  Realm of sports. As an example, like if you want
• 1:35:22
  to be an athlete, you got to work.
• 1:35:25
  For it can't just sit. On the freaking couch all day
• 1:35:28
  eating potato chips and watching TV and think that you're going
• 1:35:32
  to, you know, enter the NFL or the NHL or, you know, whatever
• 1:35:38
  else you want to do soccer, you know, get up blank and do it
• 1:35:44
  right now. Like get up and do it.
• 1:35:48
  You got to do it. You got to live it.
• 1:35:51
  Breathe it. You got to.
• 1:35:54
  Really want it. And then you've got to work for
• 1:35:57
  it. Yeah, you got to live it right.
• 1:36:01
  Make it a lifestyle so the book knowledge, everything that you
• 1:36:05
  take from those sources right. That's all great and you know a
• 1:36:08
  lot OK now what are you going to do with it?
• 1:36:11
  Really? It's a hobby.
• 1:36:13
  It's a. Lifestyle, it doesn't matter.
• 1:36:16
  What region it? Is and a lot of a lot of people.
• 1:36:21
  Nowadays. Just take it as a hobby.
• 1:36:23
  Oh, what are your hobbies? Oh well I like video games and
• 1:36:28
  sports and paganism. Like no, it doesn't work that
• 1:36:33
  way. Oh man.
• 1:36:36
  Yeah, it's it's. It's a real thing.
• 1:36:38
  It it's it's not something that you know, and a lot, yeah, I
• 1:36:41
  agree. I think a lot of people tend to
• 1:36:43
  to use the aesthetic to gain notoriety or to gain attention.
• 1:36:49
  It's for the clout. Paganism has become a means of
• 1:36:56
  cultural appropriation. To be honest, They, they,
• 1:36:59
  they're appropriating the culture of people that live this
• 1:37:03
  lifestyle day in and day out and they're adopting aesthetics
• 1:37:10
  buzzwords. This or that.
• 1:37:12
  And they're using it to gain this their 5 minutes of fame or
• 1:37:18
  15 minutes of fame. Whatever the hell.
• 1:37:21
  And it's not that it, you know, good luck with that because
• 1:37:23
  you're not going to get much from it.
• 1:37:26
  It's like people are wearing. People are people are wearing
• 1:37:29
  the mill near and I just butchered the hell out of that,
• 1:37:33
  but people are wearing mule near and don't even know what it's
• 1:37:39
  called like. They don't even know a.
• 1:37:43
  Ballpark of how to It's not that they don't.
• 1:37:47
  Know how to pronounce. It it's simply that they don't
• 1:37:49
  even know what it's called or who wields it or whatever.
• 1:37:53
  It's like, come on, dude. Are they?
• 1:37:55
  Yeah, are they wear the the 1st. The first.
• 1:37:59
  Thing it's like. Wearing for.
• 1:38:02
  You can't name 3 songs, yeah. Yeah, like, oh.
• 1:38:06
  You like that band so much and you're wearing their shirt.
• 1:38:09
  Like name 3 songs. The Muellner thing is another
• 1:38:12
  one, right? Where'd you like?
• 1:38:13
  What do you like? The ah, you know, I like the
• 1:38:15
  Marvel movies and you know, like what?
• 1:38:20
  There's more to it than that. That's.
• 1:38:21
  Not even. No.
• 1:38:24
  I guess you like that, but it's not even what this is.
• 1:38:26
  About you know all. Right.
• 1:38:31
  I'm going to ask you a few just. Fun questions, Schizo, and then
• 1:38:34
  we're going to wrap this up here.
• 1:38:37
  I know you talked earlier in the episode about recovery.
• 1:38:43
  And and. A.
• 1:38:46
  A. And all that, but if you.
• 1:38:48
  Could share a horn, whether it be a horn of meat or just a horn
• 1:38:51
  of any sight. You know anything with any
• 1:38:55
  figure from Norse Smith. Who would it be?
• 1:39:00
  Oh God. Freya.
• 1:39:06
  Freya. Is that a?
• 1:39:12
  Is that? Because of the voice that you
• 1:39:14
  heard years ago, the female voice is, is, is that, is there
• 1:39:18
  maybe a connection with that or is it something else?
• 1:39:23
  I feel like a A. Deep connection with Freya
• 1:39:27
  because of I don't know. It's it's.
• 1:39:32
  It's difficult. To explain.
• 1:39:34
  I just, I feel more connected with Freya than I do some of the
• 1:39:40
  other gods. I, I do feel connected with Odin
• 1:39:44
  and Thor, you know, the, the gods, but I, I just feel an
• 1:39:49
  extra deep connection with Frank.
• 1:39:53
  That's beautiful, man. What is 1 Pagan cliche that
• 1:39:58
  makes you roll your eyes every time?
• 1:40:02
  Sam Haines. Sam.
• 1:40:05
  I got to figure. That was going.
• 1:40:07
  To be old Sam Haines. Drives me bad.
• 1:40:11
  Shit, crazy. I actually, I actually follow a
• 1:40:14
  YouTube who every time he says the word Salwin, he's a horror
• 1:40:20
  movie. He's a he like critiques horror
• 1:40:23
  movies. And every time that the he says
• 1:40:27
  the word salwin for any reason, he goes back to Halloween 5
• 1:40:35
  where Loomis is at the school. Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Saying something and he goes. Somehow in his voice.
• 1:40:47
  He'll loop that in there every. Time, he says, sowing so funny,
• 1:40:54
  but it's like every. Time.
• 1:40:55
  I hear that, Sam and I roll my eyes.
• 1:40:59
  I'm like, Oh yeah, either learn. Or shut the.
• 1:41:04
  Hell up. All right, if you.
• 1:41:09
  If you could banish 1 trend, If you could banish 1 trend from
• 1:41:13
  modern Pagan social media, what would it be?
• 1:41:17
  Oh God. Right, I really don't know.
• 1:41:30
  Because I'm not on social media. Yeah, probably say just cloud
• 1:41:37
  chasing. Just chasing.
• 1:41:40
  Yes. Trying to.
• 1:41:43
  I'm trying, trying, trying to belittle people for no damn
• 1:41:47
  reason. Just the the, the you're angry
• 1:41:51
  just to be angry. Like just this culture of just
• 1:41:56
  bullshit. Yeah, I.
• 1:41:59
  Know I'm with you on that, the whole clout chasing thing, man.
• 1:42:01
  And like, let me stitch this video.
• 1:42:03
  Let me duet this fucker over here.
• 1:42:05
  Like, come on. Like, do something original,
• 1:42:09
  yeah. Put your heart.
• 1:42:11
  Into it. Don't just RIP off other
• 1:42:14
  people's shit and then throw something at it and call it a
• 1:42:19
  no. Yeah, put some work.
• 1:42:22
  Actually put in some effort. Yeah, last one I've got.
• 1:42:30
  Yeah. Put the work right, all right,
• 1:42:33
  so. The last one that I've got for
• 1:42:36
  you, you've put some. Time into.
• 1:42:41
  Following a heathen path, right? So I guess the last random thing
• 1:42:45
  I would say or I'd ask for you is if you could finish this
• 1:42:48
  sentence being. A heathen.
• 1:42:52
  Means. What would you say being a
• 1:42:57
  heathen? Means what to you?
• 1:43:08
  Being a haven means honoring myself, my gods, and my
• 1:43:18
  ancestors. Thank you man.
• 1:43:24
  Thank you for. That I think that.
• 1:43:27
  Resonates with a lot of. Folks that watch and listen to
• 1:43:29
  this, to this show because we are, we are, we are multifaceted
• 1:43:35
  and we deal with so many things within and without ourselves
• 1:43:41
  that you know, the heathen lifestyle or, or or heathen
• 1:43:45
  approach to, to things. Having a heathen view of the
• 1:43:49
  world embodies so many things. It, it indefinitely includes
• 1:43:54
  ourselves in the people around us.
• 1:43:56
  It in course, of course includes our gods, goddesses and our
• 1:44:01
  ancestors centrally almost important, more importantly than
• 1:44:06
  the gods in some senses, it's they are the ones who are
• 1:44:11
  closely invested to to what we're doing.
• 1:44:13
  So I think that's a great answer, I would say, I would
• 1:44:17
  say. Just.
• 1:44:18
  As. Important as the gods because
• 1:44:21
  without the gods none of us are possible.
• 1:44:24
  But without our ancestors, where would we be?
• 1:44:30
  Facts. You know, facts.
• 1:44:33
  Facts. Yeah.
• 1:44:35
  It's it's. You know that's.
• 1:44:36
  And that's a touchy subject for a lot of folks when it comes to
• 1:44:39
  ancestral veneration. People say, you know, well, what
• 1:44:42
  if my ancestors weren't the greatest people to remember or
• 1:44:46
  this or that? And I say to that, I say, well.
• 1:44:50
  You're. Not the you.
• 1:44:53
  You know your ancestors misdeeds are not yours to have to carry
• 1:44:57
  forth. You are here now to heal that
• 1:45:01
  hurt and to put to rest those dark times.
• 1:45:05
  You can be the one that is the change that your ancestral line
• 1:45:10
  needs. They were important for a.
• 1:45:13
  Reason they got. You here, but you don't have to
• 1:45:14
  carry that. I'll deed you can you?
• 1:45:16
  You can be the one to say it's done.
• 1:45:19
  We're done with that. It's over.
• 1:45:21
  We're moving on. Hurt people hurt people hurt.
• 1:45:23
  People, but you have a choice. You know you have a choice, so.
• 1:45:29
  You have a city in the matter, you have a big say in whether
• 1:45:33
  you hurt people or not and just. Because you were hurt doesn't.
• 1:45:38
  Mean that you have to continue the cycle.
• 1:45:42
  I I come from. A fairly rough upbringing, so.
• 1:45:49
  You know, and I. Don't try to go out of my way to
• 1:45:52
  hurt people because I was hurt, you know, no.
• 1:45:58
  You, don't you? Don't have to do.
• 1:46:00
  It no. If anything, that can be.
• 1:46:03
  The thing that the only thing was die.
• 1:46:07
  That's it. You don't even have to pay your.
• 1:46:10
  Taxes you get. In trouble.
• 1:46:12
  But you don't have to. That's what I'm saying, man.
• 1:46:16
  There are all consequences. For everything, whether it's
• 1:46:18
  good or bad, but you don't have to do anything but eventually
• 1:46:22
  die. That's it.
• 1:46:25
  So what are you going to do? And that's just.
• 1:46:29
  An introduction to a new journey in my point of view.
• 1:46:34
  Like, yeah, death is not the end.
• 1:46:38
  I don't fear. Death.
• 1:46:39
  Because it's just the beginning of my next journey, That's all
• 1:46:44
  it is. Absolutely, man, it's the next.
• 1:46:50
  It's the next level, you know, it's just, yeah, like you say,
• 1:46:54
  the next stage of your journey. Yeah.
• 1:46:57
  I don't. I don't.
• 1:46:59
  I don't know if I'll be reincarnated when I die, but if
• 1:47:02
  I do, then I'll just come back and begin a new journey.
• 1:47:07
  And if I don't, then I'll, you know, end up spending eternity
• 1:47:11
  in Helheim, continue my journey, you know, start a new one there.
• 1:47:18
  Wherever, wherever I end up, I'll just, you know, pick.
• 1:47:23
  Up the pieces and. Go from there.
• 1:47:26
  Yeah, Yeah, that's a whole. Other topic for a.
• 1:47:30
  Whole other day, man. That's a that's a deep 1 to get
• 1:47:32
  into. That's that.
• 1:47:33
  Well runs deep all that does. That's a three hour episode.
• 1:47:39
  At least at. Least, yeah.
• 1:47:43
  Listen, man. I'm going to, I'm going to leave
• 1:47:44
  you on here for just a second. I'm going to wrap things up
• 1:47:46
  because we've, we've gone for an hour and 45 minutes of really
• 1:47:49
  cool stuff, man. Thank you, first of all, for,
• 1:47:51
  for giving me this much of your time and hearing your story and
• 1:47:55
  hearing you talk about just your experiences and, you know,
• 1:47:58
  sharing with the world, my audience as far wide as it goes,
• 1:48:02
  a little bit about yourself. Thank you so very much for
• 1:48:08
  coming on. Here to do that.
• 1:48:10
  We talked about a lot of things that will resonate with people,
• 1:48:14
  so it's great to hear another person's perspective.
• 1:48:19
  So but stick. Around for just a minute.
• 1:48:22
  I'm going to touch base with you want to get done kind of
• 1:48:24
  finishing all this up here. But before I do, before I do
• 1:48:28
  that, are there any last parting words that you'd like to leave
• 1:48:33
  my audience with before we wrap this up?
• 1:48:41
  Knowledge is earned. And it should.
• 1:48:44
  Never be. It should.
• 1:48:47
  Never be anything else. Like knowledge is something you
• 1:48:50
  earn through research and. Homework and.
• 1:48:54
  You know, just excitement for something.
• 1:48:59
  So earn it. You know, earn it.
• 1:49:05
  Earn it. I can back that up.
• 1:49:07
  Man, that's good. That's a.
• 1:49:08
  Good one. And it's simple and it, and it's
• 1:49:11
  simplicity speaks volumes, right?
• 1:49:13
  People, earn your bones, earn your eat, earn, earn what you
• 1:49:17
  have, right? Earn your next meal, earn your
• 1:49:19
  life. It's a gift.
• 1:49:20
  All these things are gifts, so earn them.
• 1:49:24
  Earn. It all right so.
• 1:49:28
  Checking in from Ohio. Schizo Crow, thank you for being
• 1:49:31
  here. Stick around for just a few
• 1:49:33
  minutes when I finish this up here and everybody else that's
• 1:49:35
  has listened and watch this episode.
• 1:49:38
  Thank you very much for your support.
• 1:49:40
  Thank you for continuing to support what I do even though
• 1:49:43
  I'm not on the major social platforms.
• 1:49:45
  I appreciate you being here. If you are listening to this and
• 1:49:48
  you're not yet familiar, again, you made it this far.
• 1:49:51
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• 1:49:55
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• 1:49:59
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• 1:50:03
  on your part to, you know, support with this, with this
• 1:50:07
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• 1:50:10
  fine. Just share what you want to
• 1:50:11
  share from what I do here across your platforms, if you have any.
• 1:50:15
  But nonetheless, thank you for being here and your support is
• 1:50:17
  greatly appreciated. So thank you to my guest again,
• 1:50:21
  Schizo Crow from Ohio for being here.
• 1:50:23
  And then until we all talk to each other again, may the gods
• 1:50:27
  continue to notice you and may your ancestors smile upon you.
• 1:50:33
  See you in the next one.