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September 16, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:29
  SPEAKER_37: Good morning.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_37: It's Wednesday and the John Justice show here presented by American Experiment.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_37: My name is John Justice.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_37: I'm glad you're with us at this early hour.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_37: Producer Devin joining me in the Center of the American Studio.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_37: Center of the American Experiment Studios this morning.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_37: Holy cow.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_37: Getting tongue-tied right out right out of the gate on a Wednesday morning.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_37: Today on the show, much later in the show at 8 30, we'll talk a little health freedom.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_37: Twyla Brays will be joining us.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_37: Always enjoy the conversations with uh with uh Twila Brays coming up at 8:30 this hour.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_37: A conversation that I am uh really looking forward to and have been since uh last week.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_37: And uh that AI anthropic employee left the company, citing concerns uh that the Matrix and Terminator might actually become documentaries as opposed to science fiction uh uh box office uh bonanzas.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_37: So we'll talk about that with David Gartenstein Ross.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_37: He's gonna join us today at uh 6 30.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_37: And as always, your questions are welcome for uh David.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_37: You can get them in at John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org or leave us a voice or text message blast on the blaster line, 651-964-0294-651-964-0294.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_37: Also on the show today, we're gonna talk some fraud, new fraud uh allegations.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_37: A program meant to give out taxpayer dollars for relief regarding what businesses or other individuals endured over Operation Metro Surge has been shut down.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_37: Why?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_37: Uh because it turns out that there was fraudity.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, hell yeah.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_37: No, no, no, hell, no, no, hell yeah.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_37: You know, when you start off with a baseline premise, that's ridiculous, meaning um financial assistance for Operation Metro Surge over decisions that businesses and individuals made, right?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_37: Those are choices that people made to buy into the propaganda around Operation Metro Surge.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_37: It does not come as any surprise to me whatsoever that it turns out that that program happens to be fraudulent.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_37: So we'll get into that and a host of other stories uh today on the show.
• 2:54
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• 3:03
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• 3:08
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• 3:15
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• 3:19
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• 3:26
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• 3:28
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• 3:30
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• 3:37
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• 3:46
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• 3:47
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• 3:50
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• 4:04
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• 4:23
  SPEAKER_37: Let's start here, though.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, this was interesting.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_37: I don't put a ton of stock in polls.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_37: You kind of have to like I have my own standard by which I discern the level of seriousness that I'm going to put in any uh any type of poll.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_37: Uh typically if it's a local poll done by you know KSTP or some of the other news outlets, you know, there's a there's a little bit of a grain of salt that I put on those on those polls.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_37: But when you get into a certain striking distance, uh when it comes to whoever is leading, right, versus who's trailing, if it gets within a ther with within a certain margin of error, usually I default to, okay, uh this shows one, it's probably a close race.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_37: And if the Republican is straight is trailing and it's close, then typically, in my opinion, that means the Republican is probably doing much better.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_37: Because polling is incredibly flawed right now.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_37: You can't put a ton of stock in it.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_37: Like I said, you kind of have to read between the lines, and it's typically biased towards the Democrat candidates.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_37: So you can usually attribute a few more percentage points to the Republicans, regardless of the distance between the two.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_37: So all of this is to say the new poll shows a close race for the U.S.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_37: Senate between Peggy Flanagan and Michelle Tafoya.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_37: Flanagan leading by just one point, which again, to my previous comment, means, in my view, that more than likely Tofoya is probably leading that race.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, but also when it comes to the gubernatorial race between Klobichar and Lisa Damath, um, Clobuchar is only leading by two points.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, so conducted by uh Coefficient, a market research firm, polling 833 likely general election voters between September 14th and 15th.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_37: It has a margin of error of 3.38 percentage points.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_37: They were asked about the two top races in the North Star state, the hotly contested U.S.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_37: Senate race, 43% of the respondents chose Flanagan when asked to who they would vote for in the Senate race if the election were held today.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_37: Meanwhile, Tefoya received support from 42% of those surveyed.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_37: 11% of the respondents said they were undecided.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_37: I never understand that.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_37: How can you still be undecided?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_37: I mean, I guess in these particular races it's not all that surprising.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_37: But there's the undecided vote always kind of, especially when we're five weeks out from the election.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_37: Really?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_37: You haven't you haven't made a choice yet?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_37: Are you not paying attention to what is going on right now to the point where you can't make a decision on these candidates?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_37: Because they they couldn't be more polar opposites at this point in time.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_37: All right.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_37: Uh let's see here.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_37: Uh today's poll is the first survey to show a close Senate race.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_37: 43% of uh the respondents choosing Flanagan when asked who they would support.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_37: Meanwhile, Tefoya received 42%, uh, as I as I mentioned a moment ago.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_37: So the contest between Flanagan and Tefoya could prove to be one of the closest Minnesota Senate races in recent years.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_37: Now, what will be interesting as well is whether or not the GOP decides to start dumping money into the races here in Minnesota.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_37: I know they already are to a certain extent, but with Tefoya being as competitive as she is, for as much as I wish that it wasn't the case, those campaign dollars and the ads, they work.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_37: They do.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_37: And they make a difference.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_37: I wish it wasn't, I wish that wasn't the case, but they do make a difference.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_37: I know for you and me who follow this closely, these elections closely, you get tired, you get burned out about you know seeing all the ads, but we're also kind of in the minority.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_37: A lot of people aren't paying close attention.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_37: And so those ads, even though you may see them over and over and over again, especially when you're watching NASCAR, crying out a lot.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_37: Holy cow, a lot of ads during the NASCAR race.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_37: It has an impact.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_37: In the Minnesota gubernatorial election, Klobishar facing Lisa Damuth, Klobuchar has led significantly in polling thus far, but the co-efficient poll showed the race in the margin of error.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_37: According to Coefficient, 40, it's co-slash efficient.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_37: 47% of respondents said they would vote for Klobuchar in the race if the general election were held today.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_37: Meanwhile, 45% of those surveyed uh said they would vote for Damuth.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_37: Another 9% of respondents said they were undecided.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_37: Okay.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_37: Again, if the polls are this tight, uh the GOP has much to feel positive about when it comes to the upcoming uh races.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_37: And like I said, if the narrative, and this is the other aspect too, if the narrative coming off of this, because we'll probably get follow-up polling from our local media outlets soon, because there's a competition with these, just like anything else.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_37: You know, any outlet that conducts polling in an election year, if somebody puts out information and ends up being widely distributed and talked about or is significant, in which case both of these, you know, these polls and both of these races are incredibly significant.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_37: You know, it's surprising in a in a state that's looked at as being, you know, deeply blue, when you look at the map or not, it's the concentrated metropolitan areas that are the rest of the state is is red, and we've certainly gone that way before.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_37: It's been a long time since Republicans have won uh you know statewide races.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_37: Uh that being said, if the narrative coming out of these polls and we get subsequent polls from local media showing that the race is indeed this competitive, right?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_37: Confirmation and other polls that these numbers are are you know more accurate than than most people believe, um, that's going to benefit the GOP.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_37: More so than Democrats, in my opinion.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_37: As always, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_37: 651-964-0294.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_37: 651-964-0294.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_37: I do have a couple of audio clips that I want to share while your uh blaster, text, and voice messages roll in.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_37: The first is of uh Lisa Damath in a recent press conference at uh the state capitol, uh slamming what Lisa calls uh Klobuchar's abusive leadership style.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_09: We need a change in the status quo, and that starts with a change in leadership.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_09: To put it bluntly, Senator Klobuchar is a phony on fighting fraud, and she has no credibility whatsoever when it comes to breaking from the disaster of Governor Walls.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_09: It's been widely reported in national media that Amy Klobuchar's uh style of leadership is toxic.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_09: This story, in this story, and also revealed through the fraud committee that I established, we have seen that reports that lower-level staff are sometimes afraid to act or speak up.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_09: Amy Klobuchar has already demonstrated an abusive leadership style towards staff.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_09: If we're actually going to end the fraud here in Minnesota, we need all government employees to feel free to say something if they see something.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_09: When I'm governor, Minnesota will not see the same type of toxic leadership stories that we've seen so many times regarding Senator Clobuchar.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_09: There were a number of things that we passed in the legislature as I have served as Speaker of the House.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_09: One of them is additional, additional whistleblower protections.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_09: Again, employees of our state need to feel free to speak up if they see something.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_29: Because they're just gonna cheat.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_29: They've gotta cheat.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_37: I'm gonna I'm gonna stop here.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_37: I I let me finish okay, let me finish your comments.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_29: I just let me finish your comments and then I'll get after year, after year, and with Harry Moriarty and whatever else in power in our legal structure here in this state allison.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_29: You know, it's nothing will happen.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_29: The Fed can't put out every fire.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_29: There's 50 states, and you know, yes, they notice Minnesota and it is important, but in the grand scheme of things, we need to get Iran finished and the economy stabilized.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_29: So yeah, I don't know.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_29: It's you you gotta you gotta be too good to fail on this whole thing in Minnesota if Republicans are gonna win.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_29: So I thank you.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_37: Thank you, and I I appreciate the comments, and I don't wanna I I don't wanna harp on you personally.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_37: Uh I actually thought much about this uh prior to uh sharing the information with you this morning as I kick off uh the show here at uh Center of the American Experiment.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_37: I just the whole cheating aspect of it I just I personally just get tired of of hearing it.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_37: I just do.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_37: Regardless of which party that you support, you know, if you want to win elections, it's going to be about voter turnout, however you want to to do that.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_37: When the conversation of cheating comes into play, I feel like that is counterproductive for you know for for either party, but counterproductive to the efforts of in this case, you know, if you're wanting the GOP to win, if you're hitting that, oh, it's cheating, they're gonna throw it at us, it doesn't matter, just wait until the midnight vote vote counts and it spikes up.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_37: This is not me saying that fraud and cheating doesn't occur.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_37: We've seen examples of that.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_37: The question has always and will always be is it enough to go and impact the election?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_37: But the broader point here is it just seems so counterproductive to hit that.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_37: I had people commenting on I I reposted these this poll, these polling numbers yesterday online on X.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_37: And I had people saying the same thing.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, it doesn't matter, they're gonna cheat.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_37: And I avoided commenting on it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_37: I I just I guess I want to get it out of my system because I know those comments roll in and I just feel like they're completely unproductive to the larger conversation.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_37: It's an easy default to go, oh, they're gonna cheat.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_37: Well, okay.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_37: If you feel that way, that's fine.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_37: If you are you still gonna go and vote, is it relevant to the conversation?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_37: Because I feel like we're better off going and sticking with you know the data that we have in front of me rather than going off of speculation over assumptions of what you think might happen.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_37: And let me say one more comment on that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_37: It's a lot harder for for any party or anybody to cheat now than it has been in the past because it's top of mind.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_37: And I have examples of this later on in the show regarding fraud and immigration.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_37: Comments from well-known sports commentators who are hammering points on immigration that typically you would only hear on your, you know, your talk shows and your conservative news talk shows.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_37: But it's resonating out into the public as people hit these points over and over and over again.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_37: It makes that it ends up making a making a difference.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_37: I you know, and it would be just a shame to see the cheating commentary end up having a negative impact on these races of turning people off from going and voting.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_37: I just I'd rather stick to the actual data than we have than go and look at complete unknowns.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_37: And because of the fact that fraud within our elections and cheating has become so top of mind, you know, and more people are paying attention than than ever before.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_37: It's less likely that it's going to be effective or be perpetuated than it has been in the past.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_37: So, all right, I'll get off of my I'll get off of my rant.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_37: Uh let's go back to this comment here on the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_36: Hey, John, you played that Lisa Damus clip.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_36: One thing I noticed about her is that she said she's gonna fire people.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_36: Whereas Amy Kolashar has just said, oh, we're gonna upgrade the computer systems.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_36: She says that.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_36: This is what I hear.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_36: Oh, we're gonna spend a ton of government money, aka taxpayer dollars, to make a computer system that probably doesn't work.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_36: Takes decades to develop.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_36: And just like the MinLar's program, or MinLliers isn't gonna work in the end, and we're gonna have to redo it all.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_36: More government workers needed to solve the government problem.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_36: Have a great day by now.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_37: You too.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_37: Thank you so much for the blast this morning.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_37: Again, 651-964-0294.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_37: I want to play one more clip regarding this uh this polling number, and then I actually have an interesting story keeping with the theme um a shock poll out of a governor's race in a deep blue state, and some comments from Newt Gingrich that I will uh share with you.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, first off, though, uh, because Peggy Flanagan and the Michelle Tefoya race was included in this polling, uh, Matt Dean, policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment, he posted a uh an unearthed clip going back to 2017.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_37: It's uh regarding the one time that then Representative Peggy Flanagan shut down the commuter rail with violent protesters and then promised to do it again.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_37: The protest was part of a series in which mobs shut down freeways, light rail, and then attempted to stop airline traffic at MSP.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_37: So she was back in 2017 illegally blocking commuter light rail traffic as part of the 2017 violent Filando Castile protests that led to the injuries of 21 cops.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, this is what she had to say about her time protesting.
• 18:39
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• 18:45
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• 18:46
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• 18:47
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• 18:51
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• 18:54
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• 19:16
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• 19:30
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• 19:32
  SPEAKER_37: Those are her uh her words, by the way.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_37: Just wanted to uh point that out.
• 19:38
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• 19:42
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• 19:52
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• 19:58
  SPEAKER_37: I have a few points to make on this.
• 20:00
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• 20:09
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• 20:10
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• 22:58
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• 23:04
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• 23:35
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• 23:46
  SPEAKER_37: Shock poll confirming what they already see on the ground, according to the GOP operatives in Oregon.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_37: The new poll has the Republican Christine Drazen narrowly leading the Democrat governor Tina Kotec in the deep blue Oregon.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_37: Despite the optimism, history, and grass and political gravity, there's still significant challenges for Dresden.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_37: Oregon is a reliably blue state, and Kotec defeated Drazen in 2022, 47 to 43%, while independent candidate Betsy Johnson captured nearly 9% of the vote.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_37: This time the GOP is hoping that the Green Party candidate Brett Smith can peel away some of Portland's left-wing base with the status quo in the Democrat establishment potentially helping Drazen capitalize on the divided Democratic vote.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_37: Governors' races are always interesting to me because they get a lot of focus, but obviously don't have an impact on our national elections unless you happen to be living in that state.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_37: But they do serve as bellwethers of voter sentiment currently.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_37: And when you have a race like this in a deeply blue state like Oregon, wherein you have a GOP candidate that's leading, I think the same logic that I shared with you a moment ago applies.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_37: And that is you can probably put that GOP candidate up by a few more points.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_37: And that's the big question that I have with this election, and something that I've been, you know, sort of navigating in my commentary.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_37: And that is the only times, as I've said on the show recently, the only times that the Republican Party has, well, it's not even just the Republican Party, either Republicans or Democrats.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_37: They've gone against the trend of whoever's in power at the midterm election losing that power to the opposition party has been at times where you've had a lot of extraneous circumstances going on.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_37: So most recently it was post-9-11, wherein when George Bush was in office during those midterm elections after 9-11, Republicans were able to maintain and grow control.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_37: Before that, you got to go way, way, way, way back to a time of politicians that you and I are just completely unfamiliar with.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_37: And while we don't really technically have an extraneating uh, you know, uh an outside of the norm circumstance taking place right now regarding uh our election cycle, the Democrat Party being taken over by Democrat socialists, I think, is almost enough to to qualify on that front.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_37: So that's why I'm I'm really um I'm really interested to see exactly if that ends up having an impact on these midterm elections.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_37: Now, before we talk with David uh Gartenstein Ross, I do have a couple of clips that I want to play for you.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_37: The first one here is Newt Gingrich talking with Sean Hannity earlier this week about this very issue that I'm speaking of.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: Clist and I were very deeply shaped by doing a movie called Nine Days to Change the World.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: I remember about Pope John Paul II, Saint John Paul II, going back to Poland for the first time in 1979 and shaking the entire Soviet Empire.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um and his consistent statement was quoting Christ was be not afraid.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I think my whole career, partly shaped by my father who spent he was in World War II, Korea, and Vietnam, um, is you get up in the yeah, I mean I we as you know, we lost in 80, 82, 84, 86, 88, 90, and 92.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so if we were gonna get tired and quit, we had lots of opportunities.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: But I thought the country was at stake, and I thought uh then you don't have any choice.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I I think personally, I'll go out on the limb and say I think the odds are much better than even that by election day we will win one of the most shocking off-year elections in American history.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_37: Interesting commentary from Newt Gingrich.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_37: And as I said, I think there's an argument to be made that we are living in extraordinary times wherein it's not your typical midterm election cycle.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_37: And the polls that we were talking about as we kicked the show off this morning, uh, in my opinion, absolutely uh demonstrate uh that fact.
• 28:16
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• 28:20
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• 28:22
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• 28:26
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• 29:47
  SPEAKER_08: AI is kind of a fancy thing.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_08: It's first of all, it's two letters.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_08: It means artificial intelligence.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_08: But ultimately what it is, is it's about machine learning.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_08: And so the machine is taught.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_37: And part of the issue here is what information is going into that was uh Kamala Harris from just a few uh years ago talking about uh artificial intelligence.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_37: And as we go to uh invite our guest uh onto the show, let's go ahead and start off here and set the stage on this.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_37: I have a clip um losing control.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_37: This is uh one of the former employees of Anthropic, uh Jacob uh Coloxon.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_37: Is that am I saying that right?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_37: He resigned, citing concerns about AI companies racing towards self-improving superintelligence, sparked all kinds of controversy uh last week.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_37: He ended up appearing on Fox News shortly after he left, and again, a lot of press surrounding this and had this to say about why he left Anthropic.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_23: You were at OpenAI before, you left them with concerns about security.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_23: Um now you're at anthropic, you have concerns about security.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_23: Specifically, what do you see?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_23: If you're talking to somebody on the couch at home, what do you what did you see that said, holy cow, this is the moment I have to speak in?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_34: Yeah, so there are two things.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_34: One is the models are the models are getting better very, very quickly.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_34: When I think about my work next year, the model, the AI is doing like almost all of my job.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_34: The AIs are getting very small.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_34: And the second is that in the recent few months we've seen that we don't yet know how to how to control these systems properly.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_34: The cyber attention's carried out by open AI models on float party infrastructure with concrete proof that scenarios that we previously thought of as science fiction are going to come true.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_34: So what I see is two things very intelligent AI systems and hard proof that we don't know how to control them.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_34: And when you put those two together, it basically spells disaster, as far as I'm concerned.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_37: And with that, we'll go ahead and officially welcome in David Gartenstein-Ross, the CEO of uh Expert Theory and our expert uh analyst uh for artificial intelligence.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_37: Good morning, David.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_37: How are we doing this morning, sir?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_37: Good morning, John.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_37: Doing well, and it's great to join you.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_37: So this uh garnered a ton of news uh last week, and I think it was shortly after our conversation.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_37: Um, this artificial intelligence researcher working at both OpenAI and Anthropic saying that he was resigning and leaving the industry and accusing the leading AI companies of racing towards systems that could improve themselves beyond human control.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_37: So, first off, David, before I get into sort of your overall assessment of what he has to say, let me ask you this question.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_37: Um, and it's something that I posed last week when we brought it up on the on the show.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_37: Why leave?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_37: Like if you're that concerned, and I know we're kind of getting into the mind of this employee, but I kind of look at this and I go, well, wait a second, if you're that worried about it, why leave this company when you could stay with them and continue to express your frustrations?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_37: Or do you think it was a matter of he felt like he couldn't do that unless he left the organization?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_37: I'm a little bit confused on that.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_37: What do you think?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_40: He felt that they weren't going to sufficiently act on these concerns.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_40: Right.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_40: The what the way that he put it when he left, open AI, in his view, did not take these concerns seriously and understand the threat that AI posed.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_40: Whereas Anthropic saw it, but he um alleged that despite understanding the risks, Anthropic is hurtling ahead towards superintelligence because their view is that they need to get there first because only they can control it.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_40: And he thinks that's naive.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_40: Um, I mean he put out a call to action for other researchers to um you know re-evaluate their commitment to you know superintelligence as a project.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_40: Um so I I don't think he's being inconsistent, is what I would say.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_37: Okay.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_37: So let's get to the larger issue here, though.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_37: I mean, this ended up becoming uh, you know, during the news cycle, which is you know no longer 24 hours, it's more like an hour for crying out loud.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_37: Um, but this ended up becoming a a lead story.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_37: Um, this individual coming out with these major concerns.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_37: I mean, to kind of simplify it, you know, it sounds like he's he's concerned that Terminator and the Matrix are going to end up being documentaries and not blockbuster movies.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_37: Do you share these same concerns that he does?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_37: Where do you land on this?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_40: Uh yeah, I do share these concerns.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_40: My my conclusion is obviously different in terms of how to engage.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_40: Um, but you and I have talked about this from the outset, right?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_40: So what Jacob Coxon is giving voice to is something that your listeners will actually have heard you and I talking about for over a year, probably quite a bit longer than that.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_40: So let's look at a few things together, right?
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_40: So there's the Jacob Coxon um resignation from Anthropic.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_40: There's a second thing that you had wanted to talk about, which is Trump's comments on AI.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_40: Talking about the nilification of AI, and then talking about how Trump sees AI as key to the future.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_40: Whoever wins AI wins.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_40: Um, like those should all be understood together, and they should all be understood as correct at the same time and part of the same ecosystem.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_40: So here's something you'll remember, and your listeners will remember me saying we talked about this about a year ago, probably, but I mentioned that this is an industry where industry leaders will acknowledge that there's about a 10% chance of AI wiping out humanity.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_40: And I talked about how insane that is, right?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_40: Like it really is crazy.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_40: But we if you step back for a second, you actually understand why uh we're hurtling ahead towards superintelligence.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_40: Um, and uh major executives will talk about uh the the risk it poses to wiping out humanity, and yet people seem to be ra relatively blasé about it.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_40: So let me actually pause for a second and provide a quote just so that people understand that I'm not like that I'm not being alarmist or exaggerating.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_40: So, in addition to Coxson's comment, uh you had someone who remains an anthropic, um, an alignment science lead named Evan Hubbinger, who publicly backed the comments, saying that he believes there is a greater than 10% chance that AI will cause human extinction within a decade.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_40: Right?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_40: Like the the view is there, and it's but it's from people working in the industry.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_40: Okay, so looking at those comments together, let's understand several things going on.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_40: One, there's the commercial race for superintelligence, you know, open AI versus anthropic.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_40: I guess we could, you know, we could say that Grok is somewhere in the mix, though it seems like Grok has sort of been in also ran for a while.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_40: But you have these competing AI models in the commercial sphere.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_40: But it's not just that.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_40: You have this other race between the US and China.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_40: That's where Trump's comments come in, both of which, again, are also true, um, besides Jacob Coxon's true comment.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_40: So Trump talked about the vilification of AI, and it's true that AI poses a major threat to humanity.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_40: It's true at the same time that China is doing um quite a bit to stoke fears of AI in the West because it wants to win the AI race, because Trump is correct.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_40: Whoever wins AI wins.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_40: And so you have these various factors, US versus China, commercial races, and that makes it really, really hard to regulate or come to an international agreement to slow things down.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_40: Um, I think that they we could talk about how one could do that, but like that's where we start.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_40: That's the reason things are hurtling ahead, and that industry leaders will say, yeah, you know, there's a 10% chance it will wipe out humanity, but we got to produce the next frontier model.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_37: So we have a lot, a lot has come in.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_37: Questions for you, David.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_37: And I I get the feeling that this conversation we're having right now is going to continue for a long time.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_37: And we talk about it artificial intelligence, intelligence every week, but we're not gonna solve the issue that we are focused on right at the moment.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_37: I want to get to a lot of these questions that are that that are rolling in, keeping in mind that we will continue the conversation along these grounds.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_37: I just want to add one comment before we dive into uh the listeners' questions for our AI analyst and expert David Gartenstein Ross.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_37: Um, and this is more of a comment than it is a question, David, but I'd just be curious to get your response.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_37: You know, the the AI situation in as a whole is really interesting to me because you have these, when it comes to the public opinion, you have these sort of two competing things depending on on how close you pay attention.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_37: Like on the one hand, I think a lot of people that aren't paying close attention to AI, they look at this as being, oh, you can make really cool songs and we can make really interesting memes and and pictures, and oh, isn't it cute?
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_37: And then you have everybody, you know, the other individuals who are looking at it from the standpoint of what we're looking at, and I think that causes a lot of confusion when it comes to getting to a really good debate over AI.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_37: It's those two juxtaposing aspects of what AI offers humanity.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_40: Interestingly, there's a view that seems to have dropped out that when we first started these segments was pretty heavy, which is the it's no big deal view.
• 39:30
  unknown: Right.
• 39:31
  unknown: It's a good point.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_40: Right, there are lots of people like, all right, ChatGPT, it makes mistakes when I ask it questions, um, which was true at the time.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_40: But that that view seems to have gone by the wayside.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, it's pretty incredible.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_37: Well, I was just hearing, yes, I was just hearing earlier this week that, you know, that one that that one scenario that I've mentioned many times about being able to make a movie based off of a prompt.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_37: I guess there's a program that's out there that can do that very thing now.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_37: I haven't looked at it yet, but apparently it's it's already it's already happening.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_37: Um all right.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_37: A lot has rolled in for you, David.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_37: Let's work through these.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_37: It's a John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, CEO of Expert Theory, David Gartenstein Ross, uh talking artificial intelligence.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_37: First, uh, Danny from Maple Grove writes, uh, Elon has often said that AI will create an environment where no one wants for anything.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_37: Bounty everywhere.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_37: How is he coming to that conclusion as AI takes over American jobs?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_37: A number of us are paying taxes to the government, will therefore increase taxes on everyone who still has a job.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_37: I don't understand where Elon is coming from.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_37: Can David elaborate?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_40: Let's talk about Elon by zooming out a little bit, then we'll talk about where his statement comes from.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_40: Um, because again, this is a weird paradox where several things are true at the same time.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_40: Um, so for Elon, let's contextualize that in 2023 um he signed a letter, a public letter, warning that artificial intelligence could end humanity.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_40: Um he also just spoke in LA and said that the danger has only grown since then.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_40: Um and he argues in favor of AI companies um spying on each other uh before it's too late.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_40: That is what he's uh put forward as you know part of the solution.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_40: Uh so uh in terms of where he's coming from, uh let's talk about where money comes from, right?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_40: Um it's an interesting thing, and obviously labor and um and and money are not perfectly aligned, but generally the statement time is money is true.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_40: Right?
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_40: Like if you look at AI in terms of the amount of human hours that are saved, it's off the charts.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_40: So you can look at money in terms of of having a lot of dollars or having a lot of time.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_40: And um, you know, if you look at the requirement to work, you know, some of us work because it gives us meaning, but there's certain things that need to be done in terms of work in order to keep society functioning, right?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_40: Like to keep society functioning, um, there needs to be a certain amount of labor done in agriculture, uh, a certain amount of labor for infrastructure and the like.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_40: And where Elon is coming from is suddenly AI provides this ability to be wealthy in time, that time is no longer a barrier, which means that if you had, you know, enlightened leadership, and let's be clear, like everybody, including Elon, would agree that this is not an era of enlightened leadership.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_40: And that's actually true regardless of whether your viewers are conservative or or left of center, right?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_40: Like everyone can agree on that fact.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_40: That that unites us as a world, uh, as a certainly as a country.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_40: But if you had a system that could figure out how to um, you know, in a fair way that isn't simply, you know, a government tax grab and communism, um, make sure that these resources are distributed in a way that everyone benefits, then suddenly AI would be like the best thing to happen to humanity.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_40: Now there's all these factors working against it, but the the idea that it could wipe out humanity and that it can mean we want for nothing are actually like oddly consistent with each other.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_40: And you can even even diving into that, like and and I know I've got a little long on this, so I'll stop after this one thought.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_40: But like even the the response actually shows how these two things coexist, right?
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_40: Because I'm explaining how, if distributed wisely, like this wealth that AI creates could benefit.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_40: A lot of people.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_40: And right away, I know where your view goes, uh your your mind goes, as as does mine, to like communism, government grab, government control, etc.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_40: And that points exactly to this dilemma that AI can be wonderful and it can be horrible, it can be wonderful and horrible at the same time, it can lead to utopia, it can lead to humanity's destruction.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_37: Well, and there's a part two to this that actually falls in line with what you were saying, David.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_37: They say, um, you know, it David has referenced universal basic income.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_37: To my point, if no one is working and no one is paying taxes, where will the government get their revenue to pay a UBI?
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_37: So, I mean, that's I mean, I don't even know if we have the answer at this point in time, but it is that's a question that's going to need to be addressed in the future.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_40: Yeah, there's an answer.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_40: We could actually dive into that a little bit, but to to clarify that just a just slightly.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_40: Sure.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_40: My view of UBI is that it's needed to allow people to reskill.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_40: I think people should work.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_40: I don't think UBI should be so high that people don't work.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_40: Um, instead, I think that it should be a safety net that is provided to allow time for reskilling with less financial pressure.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_37: Kenny writes in and says, I work at a cybersecurity company based in Minnesota that is heavily focused on AI-first initiatives and expanding how we use AI in our day-to-day operations.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_37: I fully support this approach, and I've used it to build uh agents that accelerate my workflow.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_37: Suddenly I'm reminded of Tron.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_37: Um, traditional business processes often slow our progression.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_37: Do you have any advice on how to align the business process to adopt a new AI practice more quickly while still preserving uh operational safety and security?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_40: It's a it's a wonderful question.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_40: That's one where uh I'm happy to talk to your listener directly because we're working that out ourselves right now.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_40: Um, you know, he's putting it in.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_37: Afford it to you right now, actually.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_40: Yeah, wonderful.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_40: I'll I'll reach out to him.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_40: I mean, he he's describing the tension uh between security and being able to uh adopt um new modes of work and speed things up.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_40: Um and that's you know a something that that that we all confront.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_40: Um so yeah, I ha happy to talk to him, but there's not uh unfortunately um a good you know 30-second answer to that.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_37: All right, let's go here to the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_36: Hey John, I got a question for David um on the data centers.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_36: Just like every other electronic and PC hardware, you know, the size of uh the capability you know from RAM from years ago, you get a hundred times the amount of RAM out of the same chip size, physical size.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_36: What's the opportunity to upgrade data centers as they age?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_36: Uh, how quickly do they turn over the chips that are in the data centers?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, I think we I think we had a similar, I think I had a similar question for you about, you know, the advancements and how it'll how it will relate to data centers, um, especially the controversies surrounding them.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_37: I have a story a little bit later on uh locally, Infragrove Heights is saving taxpayers millions by avoiding a lawsuit, but the trade-off is they're actually moving forward on a data center, which is causing quite a bit of controversy.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_37: But um uh what are your thoughts on uh on AI's development and whether or not you know it'll end up um shrinking the hardware and then and the uh the equipment necessary to go in for these data centers?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_40: It's it's hard to say, right?
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_40: Like what we understand is that the cost of data is decreasing.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_40: Um and you can store and the listener's correct, you can store more and more data in hardware that is smaller and smaller.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_40: The issue is that we're also creating exponentially more data all the time.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_40: So there's tension between the two.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_40: Um there probably you know, I I I I would expect that there's actually a a slightly elegant solution, um, which is my guess is that we're just that that too much data right now is being saved.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_40: Uh-huh.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_40: Right?
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_40: We're storing a lot of data.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_40: And that if you were to, rather than store data, have some data purges, there'd be both some privacy benefits to that.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_40: Um, and also we'd be able to um reduce the data center size, but that's kind of neither here nor there.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_40: Like the two things are intention.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_40: Um it c you know, you can make the amount of you can you can make smaller and smaller hardware that is able to store an increasing amount of data, but it's not able to keep up with the exponentially large amounts of data we are creating every day.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_37: And always uh I always find it comical when I'm cleaning out a desk drawer.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_37: I had this happen the other day.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_37: I was cleaning out a desk drawer and I found a zip drive and I plugged it in to see what was on it, and then you look at just how limited the storage space was compared to what we have what we have today.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_37: It's like, oh my gosh, how old is this?
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_37: How old is this thing?
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_37: And it's probably only like five or six years old.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_37: So all right, uh back to the questions on the blaster line with David Gartenstein Ross.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_44: And John, ask David please how it's going to how it could uh make human civilization extinct.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_44: I don't get it.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_44: Could you please explain?
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, David, how is how is A how's a guy how's AI gonna kill us all?
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_40: Um so let's go into different ways that AI could kill us all.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_40: Just kind of this is just off the top of my head.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_40: Uh number one, we talked about how AI can be used for hacking.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_40: Um AI could hack into a nuclear weapon system and cause a nuclear launch.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_40: Number two, um AI could hack into the electricity grid um and um you know shut down major areas.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_40: That wouldn't really be an extinction level event, but it would intersect with um, you know, uh it would make life very bad.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_40: Uh number three, um, you could have kind of the killer uh robots idea, uh Terminator.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_40: Uh number four, uh short of killer robots, you could have you know an authoritarian and so let me kind of step back and um actually mention one thing here.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_40: There are two things that uh are usually used synonymously, which are actually somewhat different.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_40: I wouldn't want either of them.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_40: So one is making humanity extinct, the other is enslaving humanity.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_40: Um those are those are not the same, right?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_40: If we were enslaved and kind of relegated to the status of like animals in a zoo, um, we wouldn't be extinct.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_40: But I think that it would be, you know, for us who's been a free species for you know since since the um advent of um humanity, uh that would be kind of an awful thing that would be extinction equivalent.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_40: So AI could um you know set up a system where um you know if AI decided to govern, uh it could set up a system where humans are enslaved.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_40: And that actually flows naturally from the conversations that we had before.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_40: You know, when Elon Elon goes between being you know very um optimistic about AI and very pessimistic about AI, um, you you'll remember maybe uh within the past year he talked about how AI is going to be smarter than us, so we'll have a model where AI will be governing with human input.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_40: Um and that is sort of his optimistic view, which gives rise right away to the idea that AI could enslave us, right?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_40: If an optimistic view is that enlightened AI needs to rule us, then unenlightened AI can easily enslave us.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_40: That's kind of another aspect of that.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_40: Uh, we could go on.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_40: I feel like I've done done a relatively good job there.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_40: You know, AI could um, you know, hack into toxic waste dumps, nuclear reactors, um, and we could go on.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_40: There's a a lot of different um ways that AI could um you know ruin our whole day.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_40: Bear in mind that like people are only giving us about a 10% chance, but it's probably 10% more than any of us would really like.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_37: Well, and here's an interesting uh, I don't know if conundrum is the right word, but I have a guest coming up uh at 8:30 uh this morning, uh Twyla Brays.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_37: Um she is with the uh CCH uh Freedom Organization, and we're gonna be talking about various healthcare issues, and one of the issues we're gonna be talking uh about with her is the unconsented ambient listening, artificial intelligence in the examination rooms.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_37: And I bring that up, David, because here's the conundrum.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_37: You know, as we sit back and talk about all the ways that AI can um, you know, make humanity extinct, there's an argument to be made that they are listening to all of our concerns about how we believe they're gonna make us extinct and they'll find a different a different way.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_37: So that's just my my sci-fi brain going uh going into overdrive.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_40: No, I I like that.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_40: I mean, the the nice thing is that I think if it if if it's listening in for ways to um destroy humanity, um I feel like the AI would actually be relatively secure that we don't have a good plan to stop any of them.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_37: That's a good point.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_40: Let's go uh I don't know what to say that doesn't even have to reach for a new idea.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_37: No, say that in here, no, you're right.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_37: All right, let's go uh let's go here as we continue the conversation.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_37: Wittavid Gartenstein Ross.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_27: Good morning, John.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_27: Say, I don't want to sound naive, or maybe you've already addressed this in the past, but I'm curious as to what it means to quote unquote win AI.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_27: I don't seem to remember anyone expounding on that, so I'd like to know what it means to quote unquote win AI.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_37: I love these questions, David, because um it's there they're items that we've addressed before, but it also shows that we've got a lot of new people listening, and they they're a lot of people want to know the basics of these concerns that you and I have addressed many times, and it's good to go and revisit them.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_37: So, what are your thoughts?
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_40: Well, I actually don't think we've even ever addressed this, to be honest.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_40: Um because different people mean different things when they talk about winning the AI race.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_40: One of them is um moving to artificial general intelligence or AGI, where um you know the system is self-improving, where humans are not needed to improve it.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_40: Uh, that's one of the things that the um anthropic uh researcher who quit, who we talked about, um you know Jacob Coxon uh mentioned uh in his complaints about um anthropic's pose vis-a-vis superintelligence.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_40: A second thing is it means dominance in AI versus your rival.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_40: Um so like we could look at that in two different ways.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_40: The commercial sphere, there is a race between um anthropic and open AI to be the dominant AI company.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_40: And in the geopolitical sphere, there's the race between um the United States and China with their different approaches to artificial intelligence development.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_40: And so winning the AI race means being clearly dominant over the other power, similar to how you know the U.S.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_40: emerged from the Cold War, having won the Cold War at being the world's you know sole superpower, or as the French called us, hyperpower.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_37: Let's go uh back to the blaster line.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_37: Your questions coming in for David Gartenstein-Ross, our AI analyst and expert.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_37: 651-964-0294 is that number.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_47: I'm not worried about AI destroying humanity with guns and physical weapons.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_47: I'm more worried about the AI suppressing truth and promoting lies to such a point that the conservative viewpoint is completely suppressed on the internet and in the world at large.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, I mean, we haven't really talked much about the political impact of what AI is putting out in terms of politics.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_37: It seems like we've moved beyond that, but that still is certainly an issue, uh, isn't it, David?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_40: Yeah, it's an issue.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_40: Um, I think I'm less concerned about that than I would have been, you know, 18 months ago.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_40: Um, to me, it seems that the models have become actually less political, whereas 18 months ago they were a little bit more clearly left of center.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_40: Um, but it it's it's absolutely a valid concern, and not just in terms of suppressing conservative viewpoints, but just suppressing things that are true uh and creating such a messy information environment that people do not know what is real and what is not real.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_37: Let's go uh back onto the blaster line and another question for David.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, I guess the thing I'm worrying about with all these calls, it's like, oh, we want the government to regulate AI and oh, it's so scared, and we gotta have the government controlling it.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_28: That worked out really good for gain of function.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, oh, we shouldn't be doing this.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_28: We even made it illegal, and then we get to woof woo.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_28: You know, some jerk in government's gonna fund it and do whatever they want, and then they're gonna avoid all responsibility for their illegal actions.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_28: So I'd say keep it out there with the companies and at least then you got a target.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_37: So what do you think, David?
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_37: Are we uh what do you is that a fair comparison in your in in your mind, and what are your thoughts on the uh on the uh on the blast?
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_40: It's a it's a fair there's many things that are fair about that, including one other thing I'll mention is generally when industries call for regulation of themselves, it's not just for purely um you know uh public good purposes.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_40: Um presumably regulation of AI would also lock in winners in many ways.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_40: And so I I think that is also uh um something I would look at when I look at these calls to regulate AI.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_40: But you know, I mean, when we go let's go back to the very beginning of the show.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_40: Um, and the fact that people think there's realistically a 10% chance that AI can wipe out or enslave humanity uh within a decade.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_40: That's the kind of area where traditionally, you know, everyone, including small government conservatives, would want government to act.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_40: And then we get into what I outlined, which is that there's this US-China race, and we have politics that you know, to put it mildly, we feel like our politicians are not really um of the level of wisdom that we would like for people to weigh in on and regulate something of this magnitude, and suddenly you have a situation where a danger is acknowledged and yet we are hurtling forward rapidly.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_37: To that point, um, let's go to uh to this uh blast as we get close to wrapping up our conversation.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_37: Boy, time flies this morning.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_37: David talking with David Gartenstein Ross.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, but this is kind of along the same lines as what you were just talking about.
• 59:01
  unknown: Two questions on AI.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_46: First, for international agreements between, say, China and the U.S., isn't any regulation going to lock the advantage in for whoever the head right off the bat is at a risk?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_46: And as far as AI being able to uh take over, wouldn't they have to have some method to replicate human uh like welding electricity, you know, physically being able to put things in place uh to grow?
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_46: Because right now it seems like their inability to outgrow humanity is is limited by uh an inability to create the infrastructure without humans doing it.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_46: Thanks, fine.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_37: And David, I know that was a little hard to hear, so if you need anything repeated, I do have the transcript in front of me.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_40: Yeah, no, I I could hear that just fine.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_40: Um quickly as to there's two major points that the listener made.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_40: Um the first point uh relates to whether AI regulation could lock in winners, and obviously I agree with that because that's the um that that is the concern I expressed just before hearing this blast.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_40: Um as to the second about um infrastructure being a bottleneck, you know, one can argue it one way or the other.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_40: I do think there's a workaround for infrastructure, which is that um if AI is able to get kind of superiority and dominance over the internet, like um, there's an argument that infrastructure becomes less important.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_40: But I think if you look at what robots can do, and you look at like agricultural robots and others, um, I don't think that, and especially if you have you know a superintelligence that is artificial general intelligence and able to kind of learn on its own, I just don't think welding and the like is that much of a barrier for AI.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_40: Like when you have a superintelligence that can outthink us in every area.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_40: Um have you have you been in like self-driving Teslas, John?
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_37: I have not yet.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_37: I have not been in a self-driving.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_37: Now, that being said, the closest that I've got is actually my car, which I didn't realize had all these driver assist uh features on it that my son that my son figured out on our America 250 road trip to Arizona and California.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_37: And I can tell you, David, I didn't like the car just doing that with me behind the wheels.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_37: So I have not gotten in a self-driving car.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_40: The reason I mentioned this is that what the listener is really putting his finger on is traditionally it's actually simple tasks that have been harder for AI than complex cognitive tasks.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_40: Right?
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_40: AI has much more like robots have had much more trouble walking than figure out how to beat the world chess champion at chess.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_40: Um and but robots have gotten a lot better at walking.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_40: And like driving is another thing where there's like thousands of things that you're doing um every minute when you drive without even thinking about it.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_40: And that's and so self-driving cars for the longest time have been very difficult um to create.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_40: But you now have self-driving cars on the road, right?
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_40: Like I when I was in uh recently to trip to DC, um my friend who picked me up at the airport was in a self-driving Tesla, and like it's amazing, right?
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_40: Like it drives really well, and probably um does it drive better than your best human drivers?
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_40: Probably not, but pretty soon it will, I'm guessing, and that the crash rate of self-driving cars will be less than the self-driving the the crash rate of human-driven cars.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_40: And what that indicates is that things like welding and the like, uh I feel like super intelligent AI um will be able to figure that out if it hasn't already.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, two things before we wrap up our uh are you first off, are you good on time?
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_37: Uh David, you are you good?
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_37: Yes, I'm gonna make sure I'm not keeping you too long.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_37: Okay.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_37: Okay.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_37: So we're just about wrapped up.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_37: I got two, a couple things before we wrap up this morning.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_37: First off, along what you were saying, and I don't want to open up a can of worms, we can discuss this further in uh an upcoming interview.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_37: But to your point of uh driverless automobiles, so uh this is coming from the self, just to give you a bit of background here, David, uh, and for you listening to the John Justice show here at Center of the American Experiment as we head into hour two for a Wednesday.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_37: Glad you're with us uh this morning.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, but this comes from the self-proclaimed Democrat socialists on the Minneapolis uh City Council.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_37: Um they've adopted an ordinance because there are Waymo vehicles that may begin operating in Minneapolis.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_37: Um, but because these council members are concerned about the job loss in other rideshare services, um, they are working to require the driverless vehicles to have somebody in the driver's seat.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_37: So again, not anything we need to dive into right now, but it gave me the opportunity to talk a bit about that for just a for just a moment, wherein uh they for the safety uh uh, you know, uh in the and the betterment of society, they think that the driverless cars should at least have one human being in the vehicle with them at uh at all times.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_37: So we're all patiently wait to see if that gets passed.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_40: Of all the sad job descriptions you could have on LinkedIn, driver of driverless car is probably as close to self-licking ice cream coat as you can get.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_37: Right?
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_37: Right.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_37: I mean, even if like I was trying to think, what is it akin to?
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_37: I'm like, well, okay, maybe like uh the guy who's at the lead car on uh on a you know on a subway, you know.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_37: But even then, no, conductor.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_40: I guess they're used to, right?
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, they actually do stuff, right?
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_37: They actually do have to have to do things.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_37: This guy just has to sit there on his phone and collect a paycheck.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_37: I don't know.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_37: Maybe it's either the easiest job or worst job.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_37: All right, let's um let's wrap on this, David.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_37: I had a question that rolled in.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_37: It's not, it's AI related, sort of off to the side.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, but I did have a listener that came in for you.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_37: He says, for DGR, not necessarily AI, but smart guy related.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, what does he think about the announcement of weapons in space?
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_37: The United States has deployed weapons in space, uh, according to the Air Force's secretary, uh Troy Mink.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, they acknowledge this for the first time.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_37: He says we are increasing readiness against existing threats, and the United States has an on-orbit space control weapons capable of defending the joint force uh against hostile uh uh adversary action.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_37: He said this on Monday during a uh conference in uh in Maryland.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_37: So do you have any uh quick thoughts on we have weapons in space now, David Gartenstein Ross?
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_40: Uh I feel like there's been weapons in space for a while, at least in a um in a different way, right?
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_40: Because for the longest time uh we understood our satellites to be a target, um and um they've generally been made defensible.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_40: Uh so I think that what we're seeing really is not like uh I'm not saying there's nothing new here, but I think that we're seeing more of an escalation in space rather than a wholly new threshold being crossed.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_37: David, Gartenstein Ross.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_37: Enjoyed the conversation this morning.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_37: Did not disappoint.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_37: I look forward uh to speaking with you again uh next week.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_37: Thank you to everybody who's written in.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_37: We'll do this again, hopefully uh next Tuesday or uh Wednesday.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_37: And if you have any questions between now and then that you just can't wait to have answered, drop me an email, john.justice at americanexperiment.org, and I will certainly forward those uh off uh to David.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_37: Uh and with that, David, thank you so much for the time, and I hope you have a great rest of the week, my friend.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_37: You too, John.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_37: See you next week.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_37: Again, 651-964-0294.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_37: That is the phone number for the blaster line if you want to leave us a uh comment.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_37: And we'll wrap up, well, this portion of our AI conversation with uh this blast that rolled uh that rolled into the uh blaster line this morning.
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• 1:06:48
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• 1:06:58
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  SPEAKER_37: All right.
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  SPEAKER_37: Couple more AI-related items, and then we're going to talk a little.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, what are we getting into?
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, we're getting into fraud.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_37: I know.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_37: Huge shock when we're talking about Minneapolis and Minnesota, right?
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_37: President Donald Trump said that he supports the automate, the automated license plate reader cameras made by Flock Safety.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_37: The clearest public stance on surveillance technology that has drawn opposition from both lawmakers in both parties.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_37: Listen, I'm not surprised by this from President Donald Trump.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_37: He's probably not spent a lot of time with it, but more specifically, he's probably looking at it at face value.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_37: And I think that was the instinctive reaction of a lot of people when it came to the flock cameras.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_37: And then when you begin to get into the questions regarding it, constitutionality, privacy concerns, that's when a lot of individuals' opinions change.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_37: The same thing rings true when it comes to data centers, and we'll get to this in a moment.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_37: And there's a common thread between the two because we do have our foreign uh enemies that have been attempting to manipulate the debate by flooding social media with controversial posts that are completely fake, disingenuous, attempting to create a further divide between parties on the issue of flock cameras and of data centers.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_37: Trump uh was asked by a reporter on Air Force One over the weekend regarding the technology, and he says, I sort of like them because of that, because of law enforcement.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_37: He was asked on whether or not he said many police departments are crediting in helping law enforcement.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_37: And Trump says I sort of like it because of that, because of law enforcement.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_37: But some people don't.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_37: I they think it's an infringement.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_37: So he's kind of taking a neutral stance here.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_37: The headline in Newsmax was Trump on flock cameras, I like them.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_37: But when you actually get into the, I just you can't despise the media enough, even Newsmax for crying out loud.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_37: Um when you get into the comments, it's more of a middle ground thing.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_37: He's like, I kind of like them because of law enforcement, but some people don't.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_37: They think it's an infringement.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_37: So he's acknowledging the controversy surrounding it.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_37: The article goes on to say the remarks were the first time that Trump has publicly endorsed the company.
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_37: That's the kind of endorsement I get for the show.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_37: What do you think of that John Justice show?
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_37: I sort of like it.
• 1:12:12
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  unknown: Sorry.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_37: He went on to say, telling reporters the matter was being studied uh studied right now, and there were pros and cons.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_37: So, yeah, that's not an endorsement.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_37: I don't again, I'm gonna say it again.
• 1:12:31
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• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_37: Taxpayers in in uh Invergrove Heights won't have to foot the bill for a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but we'll still likely get a data center at the core of the issue, much to the residents' chagrin.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_37: Monday night, the Invergrove Infragrove Heights City Council approved a change to its one-year data center moratorium that now excludes a company that sued the city because of it.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_37: That company, uh uh Q-Leaver, Qualever, Q Lever, Q-L-E-V-R.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_37: They want to build a 54,000 square foot facility at the former Travel Tags building along Carmen Avenue East.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_37: They say it's the first development in a process and in good standing with the city for its proposed data center project before that more moratorium was passed.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_37: So it sued.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_37: Invergrove Heights said the lawsuit would have cost the taxpayers$20 million.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_37: As a council member, Troy Scales put it in the meeting.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_37: There's no way of getting uh of around getting it built.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_37: It's just a matter of whether they wanted to risk tens of millions of dollars in the process.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_37: So there's going to be another uh city council meeting on this coming up later this month.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_37: If the major site plan application is approved at that meeting, the developer will need to have uh approved development contracts with the city.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_37: Once that is approved, the speed at which the project can move forward depends on how quickly the developer applies for and is issued the building permit from the city.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, that major site plan application process has already been addressed where the council set when generators can be used and sound testing done for the city.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_37: Now that's the interesting part of this.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_37: And then I want to move over to uh more fraud, and it's an interesting uh crossing of the streams between Operation Metro Surge and fraud.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_37: So we'll get to this in just a moment.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_37: But uh I was watching a video earlier this week, and it was just an independent journalist had gone to, I believe it was somewhere in Oregon.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_37: I'm correct, I could be wrong on that, but it was somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_37: And and if I if you've seen this video and I'm wrong on the location, please feel free to correct me, John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org or uh leave us a uh blast on the uh blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_37: But this data center was clearly disrupting the community.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_37: Massive facility, and they were carrying around decibel readers, showing just how loud it was and talking with the neighbors nearby.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_37: And you were standing in this dude's like backyard in the middle of the night, and you could hear you could hear it over the, I mean, it was obnoxious.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_37: Now, there was a lot of construction going on as well, so it's a little hard to tell from the video because you are just seeing one side of the issue.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_37: But this was in the middle of the night, and these construction crews were moving, were moving around.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_37: You know, the question that I had watching it is okay, was this exclusive to this particular data center, or is this a feature of all data centers?
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_37: And ultimately, the point that I want to make is personally, I do believe that data centers need to be debate uh debated.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_37: There need to be conversations in every single community regarding data centers, but they need to be comprehensive and honest conversations.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_37: Not just about the most important part of it, and that would be the impact on the community, where the data center would go and whether or not it would go and disrupt an individual's way of life, but also an acknowledgement of with that the benefit of data centers and everything that we were just talking about with our AI analyst and expert David Gartenstein-Ross about how these things are coming.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_37: This is a new aspect of our life now, and there is a part of this where you have to accept that this is going to happen.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_37: It doesn't need it doesn't mean it needs to happen in your neighborhood, but it means that it might, and that might have benefits for your neighborhood.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_37: You know, because the the controversies surrounding this has happened both organically.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_37: You know, the it's incredibly, it's an incredibly polarizing issue.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_37: And again, in a very organic, legitimate, and genuine way among people that have concerns over this, as I was mentioning in that video that I watched.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_37: But there's also the artificial politicizing that's been taking place.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_37: Wherein we do have our enemies overseas that are looking to manipulate the existing controversies to further divide individuals.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_37: And that's where this is not an easy, you know, pro thumbs up, pro thumbs down issue on data centers.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_37: They are coming.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_37: They may not be good for your neighborhood, but it's something that does absolutely need to be uh debated.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_37: And unfortunately, there's too there's too much of the protesting of just a firm no stance or a firm yes stance.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_37: This is me sitting back hoping for a healthy debate in a world where healthy debates just simply don't really exist anymore.
• 1:17:41
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  SPEAKER_37: Uh, let's go here.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_37: Somebody has a comment on the uh flock of cameras.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_41: Hey John, this is Annie.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_41: Just a uh comment about the flock cameras.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_41: So I think people need to remember that the constitutionality of it has actually been challenged a couple of times already.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_41: And the camera stand.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_41: Um, you know, people are forgetting that you're on a public government paid for a highway with a vehicle that's registered to the government, it's not an invasion of privacy.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_41: And the people that are yelling and screaming the most about it, um, also people that have a phone in their pocket are tracking them within feet um everywhere they go.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_41: So gotta think about things a little bit.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_41: I'm all for the flat cameras and I'm a raging conservative all today.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_37: Thank you so much uh for the uh blast this morning and your thoughts, Annie.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_37: I do uh greatly uh appreciate it.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_37: Coming up, Hennepin County's small business relief program, which in the case of Operation Metro Surge never should have existed in the first place.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_37: Uh it was created to help businesses, they say impacted by Metro Surge.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_37: They approved only 80 out of 300 applications due to potential fraud.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_37: The program which aimed to distribute$2 million, ultimately distributed$500,000.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_37: The county emphasized the need for increased vigilance against fraud, highlighting the importance of safeguarding public funds.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_37: So the first question that I have before we get into the details of this in just a moment here on the John Justice Show is is this going to factor into uh Governor Dim Walls and his truth counsel as they look to put together a comprehensive do that thing, doing that thing with my fingers report over Operation Metro Surge due to be released conveniently within days of the midterm election on October 31st.
• 1:19:42
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:19:43
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• 1:21:21
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• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_37: We had a blast that rolled in.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_37: I don't trust those videos when I see them.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_37: Like on their face, the video that I was talking about a moment ago of the independent journalist that went to a community to go and document the noise being made by the generators.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_37: It's one person's story, obviously, one side of the issue.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_37: And while you could hear the generators in the background, you could hear this data center running.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_37: There's a lot of other factors involved with this, and a lot of questions that I had, rather than just taking it at face value thing, oh, I'm gonna be anti-data center.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_37: Now look how listen to how loud they are.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_37: Well, thank you.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_37: Uh thankfully for you, you're providing a little bit of context to this.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_20: Generator noise at data centers is a non-issue.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_20: Cummins is one of the two largest generator manufacturers here in Minneapolis.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_20: They have a one and a half million megawatt generator that they operate.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_20: You cannot hear it at the boundary of the property line.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_20: You just have to put the right noise cancellations in, and it's fine.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_20: They're clearly just under construction and don't have all their stuff together yet.
• 1:23:40
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  SPEAKER_24: This is so exhausting.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_24: I've been working around Datas here and there's for over 25 years.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_24: They don't make that much noise outside.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_24: They don't sound any louder than a regular commercial building, at least none of the ones I've ever been in.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_24: And they don't use that much water because all the ones I've ever been in are closed loop systems.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_24: You fill them once and then they're they're full, so they really don't waste a lot of water.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_24: The only argument I have is electricity, because our lazy ass government doesn't build power plants.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_24: Um, anyway, that's my say.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_37: Well, thank you so much for having your say, and you can have your say as well.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_37: Voice or text message to the blaster line at 651 at 964-0294.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_37: According to Hennepin County officials, let's go here.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_37: This program, the Hennepin County Small Business Relief Program, which again I'm gonna say never should have existed in the first place.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_37: And because it never should have existed in the first place, it's not a shock at all that it was found fraudulent in a short period of time, by the way.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_37: That program received 300 applications seeking a portion of the two million that commissioners approved for the program back in March of this year.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_37: However, officials ended up distributing over an estimated, only an estimated, 500,000 to help cover two months of rent or commercial mortgage payments for eligible businesses benefiting 80 applicants.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_37: They tr they treated this like it was a natural disaster.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_37: This was all done because of pure politics.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_37: That's it.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, I'm sure there are individuals in charge of doling out this money who were tasked with implementing this program that legitimately felt that this was worthy, but they're wrong.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_37: Flat out wrong.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_37: Anyone who was impacted by Operation Metro Surge ultimately only has themselves to blame.
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_37: That's it.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_37: You're either here illegally, case in point, you hired individuals who are here illegally, case in point, you bought into the fear mongering that ended up keeping individuals from your businesses, or you decided on your own to stay home even if you were illegal, which was all I mean, all these things were self-inflicted wounds.
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_37: And to that point, as we've mentioned on the show, we just got past two of the two months worth of illegal alien apprehension and deportations that topped what took place here in Minnesota during Operation Metro Surge, and you didn't hear anything about it.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_37: Until I talked about it on the show and it was reported, and you certainly didn't hear about any controversies because nobody went and got in the way of lawful law enforcement.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_37: This was a completely unnecessary program, and because of that, of course it's gonna end up being filled with fraud.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_37: Because there's going to be a large group of individuals that knew that it was a completely unnecessary program.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_37: Like, well, hey, if they're gonna be giving out free money, I can mention all kinds of hardships that I was dealing with because of Operation Metro Surge.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_37: A statement to Fox 9 from Hennepin County Chief Public Relations Officer, Caroline Marinan, says the county collaborated with a community-based lender to review 300 small business recovery fund applications, ultimately approved only a fraction of them.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_37: And then the county said after that rigorous doing that thing with my fingers review, the county ended the program.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_37: Because it was fraudulent.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_37: We've moved beyond the urgent need for immediate grant relief and are focusing our efforts on strategies that support the long-term vitality and sustainability of businesses.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_37: Said the chief public relations officer.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_37: The county says it did not experience any loss of funds due to fraud, although I would argue that they lost$500,000 because I'm in a venture, I guess, that those individuals that did get this money probably didn't need it either.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_37: I let me not say probably.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_37: They didn't need it either for all the reasons that I mentioned a moment ago.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_37: They say that they stopped the program because of the evaluation of applications required extensive due diligence to safeguard public funds.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_37: The fraud cannot be ignored anymore.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_37: That's the takeaway here.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_37: Now, in a statement to Fox 9, Hannepin County Commissioner Jeffrey Lund said clearly fraud and the people who want to commit it are still very active.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_37: Gee, I think we had uh Bill Glon, Policy Fellow, on the show earlier this week where he said uh something uh incredibly similar to that uh point, that the fraud is still uh ongoing.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_37: And again, what's incredible about this is that they implement another new program in the midst of all of the fraud conversation, like at the height of it.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_37: This goes back to March and earlier this year.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_37: Remember, the Operation Metro Surge was centering around examination of fraud as they came in to arrest those here illegally.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_37: And yet, in the middle of all of this, they put together a new program in the wake of something that started off relating to examining fraud at the height of awareness, and it ends up becoming fraudulent.
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_37: Bold, brazen fraudsters here in Minnesota.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_37: They went on to say, thanks to county staff and our partner, we were able to thwart these efforts by devoting more time and effort to tighter oversight, in-person inspections, and increase scrutiny.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_37: As the fraudsters continue their efforts, we need to ramp up our game as well.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_37: This is the new normal for all levels of Minnesota government.
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_37: Good.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_37: You know how you can stop?
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_37: Stop with these publicly funded service programs.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_37: Stop with these essential welfare programs.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_37: Quit creating them.
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_37: There's no need for them.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_37: There wasn't a need here.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_37: And what we're finding out when it comes to the other fraud, and it's a question that I've had all along, once you remove all the fraud, are these programs even necessary?
• 1:31:40
  SPEAKER_37: Even to the ones that are, it's only a fraction of the dollars are needed compared to the amount of money that was being requested by the fraudsters that was ignored at the state level.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_37: Now, to the point of what they say here, this is the new normal for all levels of government, and that the fraudsters are still active and it can't be ignored anymore, it does serve as a reminder of you have to hammer the truth.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_37: Because not everybody is paying close attention.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_37: As I've said so many times on the show, I I I wish more people listen to the show, and I hope that it continues to grow.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_37: We've had some uh some fantastic growth since arriving here at American Experiment, but not everybody listens to the show.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_37: Even though it is the only live and local news talk show devoted to the Twin Cities available, which is still just astonishing.
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_37: Not everybody pays close attention.
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_37: So you have to keep hammering the truth over and over and over again.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_37: There's that running um uh what's the word I want to look for?
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_37: Trope in movies where you have to go and repeat the core message of the film like three times.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_37: If you want to stress a point in your movie, you gotta mention at least three times for it to sink in.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_37: And if you watch television, new television shows closely enough, you'll see them take that to heart like tenfold for the generation that's now locked on their phones.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_37: Melinda and I were watching uh the latest episode of Lioness in this season, by the way.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_37: Don't recommend shows, not recommending this because it's not going to be everybody's cup of tea.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_37: But this season of Lioness has been absolutely spectacular.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_37: But it is clear that they are also creating and crafting this show for the dopamine addicted generation who was stuck looking at their black mirrors in their hands because you'll have a moment within, I mean, three or four minutes where an entire plot point was completely repeated.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_37: And there was no reason for it except to make sure.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, gotta get that point out one more time.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_37: So we'll have another guy repeat these crucial plot elements so that the viewer who probably pitched off of their phone but right before the last person said it to make sure that they are still being able to pay attention and follow the plot.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_37: And as an example of that, I want to share with you this audio.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_37: Because you don't typically hear this type of commentary outside of your talk shows and and media.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_37: This is a clip from uh Stephen A.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_37: Smith, who's typically a sports reporter, right?
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_37: See with ESPN, Devin?
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_37: Is that who Stephen Smith was?
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_37: Stephen A.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_37: Smith is with.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_37: Yes.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_37: Is it okay?
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_37: And I know he's ventured into politics on occasion, but typically he reports on sports.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_37: So he was on a recent uh podcast and they were talking about the issue of immigration.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_37: And I was listening to this going, this is he's only saying this because the truth has been hammered to the point where people just simply can't ignore what, again, you typically only hear on shows like mine.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're talking about the border.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the border needed to be closed, but that was because Biden opened it.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_00: If Biden had it open, then followed Obama, who deported more people than Trump did in Obama's term in office, over 3.1 million people were deported, were deported.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_00: How come you didn't follow that, Joe Biden?
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_00: How come you didn't follow that, Democrats?
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_00: How come it was okay to celebrate ICE at that particular time when Biden was in office when Obama was in office, and you had networks literally traveling with ICE to show you the marvelous work that they were doing, but suddenly Trump is doing it, and now it's a pariah, and ICE needs to go and it needs to be completely banned.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Why are sanctuary cities existing?
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_00: How why is that?
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you get to, you know, implement laws that could get you to ignore federal laws?
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_00: How is that?
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_00: How does that benefit our country?
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying to ask ourselves these questions.
• 1:35:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's right.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_37: And that is nothing new to you listening to the show, or if you listen to my show for any length of time.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_37: But you know what?
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_37: For a lot of individuals, it is new information.
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_37: And for a lot of individuals, they will actually hear it coming from an individual like this who they maybe only follow on the sports side of things, but they have a level of respect for, and they go, Oh, well, Stephen A.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_37: Smith is saying this, and maybe I ought to pay attention.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_37: You have to continue to hammer the truth.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_37: Regardless of party.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_37: Because not everybody's gonna hear it the first time around, or the third, or the fourth.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_37: You know, it's like that old adage, but you had, you know, you had the the evil element within history that used to try to take advantage of the, you know, you repeat the the lie enough and people will begin to believe it, right?
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_37: Going back to Hitler.
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_37: Well, the truth of the matter is, no, there's a level of truth in that, but you've got to repeat the truth enough for people to go and hear it.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_37: And that's what's happening here, and why Stephen A.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_37: Smith is suddenly sounding like a conservative, I don't want to say conservative, just a talk show host who's concerned about immigration and actually looking at this through the lens of here's a party that's been hypocritical regarding an issue that they try to take political advantage of.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_37: And what's happening right now here in Minnesota with our local media that continue to pump out articles relating to Operation Metro Surge just to keep it top of mind for voters because they're of the opinion that that's going to drive turnout for the party that they go and support.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_32: So are those uh people attempting fraud on the uh Metro Surge money are they being charged or are they being just denied?
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_32: Because if you attempt to rob a bank and fail, you are still charged with bank robbery.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_37: I don't know if anybody has been charged.
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_37: I imagine the reality is more in line with individuals who submitted their applications, but on a cursory overview, they can clearly see that these individuals are either making up the information or the claim just isn't legitimate and they're attributing that to fraud.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_37: So without any further information, I do not know.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_37: And I don't know what level you would have to reach in an application denial that would become criminal.
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_37: You know, if uh either of our uh lawyers are are listening and want to drop a uh a comment on the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_37: I would be curious uh to know what their thoughts were about what what exactly would it take for an individual to be charged with fraud who was just attempting to do it, identify that they may be doing it, but had their application denied.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_37: Because I don't know the answer to that um at uh on its uh on its face.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_37: All right, uh, let's go here to the blaster line.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_06: John, I think what sticks out most for me with that article is you know, the agency or the group that they had like reviewing the applications and asking the questions actually did what they were supposed to do.
• 1:38:58
  SPEAKER_06: It just proved that the other people, whether it's you know, state employees or other agencies that they have scanning these applications for the assistance, didn't do their job.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_06: Otherwise, a lot of this would have been caught much earlier.
• 1:39:13
  SPEAKER_37: Thank you for the comment, six five one nine six four uh zero two nine four, if you want to leave a voice or uh text uh message.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_37: Uh let's go and uh hear from this friend of the show.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_42: John, I recently completed watching the series of Just the Housewives, which was filmed in about 2004 or 5 through 2012, and there were more than a handful of episodes that included ICE agents because there were some illegal immigrants uh doing naughty things uh in some of those episodes.
• 1:39:47
  SPEAKER_42: And uh so what struck me was I didn't realize that ice has been around for a long time.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_42: I felt I thought maybe it was kind of around just recently, um, because that's what the media would have you believe.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_42: I believe.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_42: But anyway, uh so just wanted to make that comment.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_42: Thanks.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_37: ICE has been around for a long time.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_37: And to Stephen, you know, Asmith's point.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, Obama deported, he was the porter-in-chief for crying out loud.
• 1:40:19
  SPEAKER_37: As I I had this pinned on my profile for the longest time and I finally took it down.
• 1:40:23
  SPEAKER_37: If you just go and look up the information like I did, you find out that during the four years of Joe Biden, you had some 6,000 plus illegal aliens detained and deported by ICE in the middle of when they were allowing millions to flood into the country, which means that those individuals also represented the worst of the worst, which is what Operation Metro Surge was doing as well.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_37: And yet you didn't hear a peep out of any leadership at all.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_37: Complaining, criticizing, vilifying, demonize ice in the four years that Joe Biden was in office.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_37: Because it was all politically uh motivated.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_37: That's it.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_37: All right, speaking of fraud, let's go here.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_37: A new federal court order raises the question about a previously undisclosed$25 million account tied to a St.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_37: Paul Addiction Recovery Company at the center of a Medicaid fraud issue.
• 1:41:25
  SPEAKER_37: Beginning in May of 2024, Care 11 investigates reported on the allegations of the fraudulent billing at Evergreen Recovery.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_37: I hear is that story, courtesy of care 11.
• 1:41:37
  SPEAKER_13: Because you want to stand outside and make sh up at us.
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_13: Bloard green?
• 1:41:42
  SPEAKER_05: Millions of dollars?
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_05: Sean Grigo and husband David Backis were the owners of Evergreen Recovery, a St.
• 1:41:53
  SPEAKER_05: Paul addiction recovery operation, shut down in 2024 in the wake of Carol Evans' investigation that exposed tens of millions of dollars in what the federal government now calls fraudulent billing.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_05: In one striking example, our investigation uncovered Evergreen's internal documents listing a man as attending a therapy group at the exact same time he was actually miles away committing a double murder.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_43: And it's signed by your wife, Sean.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_43: At that exact same time, he's charged with murdering two clients in the Soberhouse.
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_05: I can't comment on anything.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_05: The company's assets have been under the control of a court-appointed receiver ever since.
• 1:42:35
  SPEAKER_05: But now, a stunning development.
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_05: This record, filed in court, reveals Bacchus told his lawyer there's a$25 million certificate of deposit never before disclosed.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_05: Federal prosecutors didn't know about it.
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_05: Neither did the receiver appointed to find Evergreen's assets.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_05: In fact, the judge says$25 million vastly exceeds all the assets the receiver was able to identify.
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_05: And here's where things get even more interesting.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_05: Bacchus and Grago had already been ordered to disclose all their assets, but court records reveal there's no mention of a CD worth 25 mil.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_05: Our investigation found the couple lived a lavish lifestyle, traveling on private jets, decking themselves in designer clothes.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_05: The list of luxury goods the Fed seized is, well, it's really something.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_05: There's a Mickey Mouse Rolex, a Gucci Python jacket, Louis Vuitton bags, sure.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_05: But also Louis V chest sets and ping pong mallets?
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_05: Even Fendi Jenga.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_05: Seriously.
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_37: Let me let me let me pause it here really quick.
• 1:43:49
  SPEAKER_37: Have we ever seen I've never heard of this happening.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_37: It would be amazing if it did.
• 1:43:56
  SPEAKER_37: Have we ever heard a story of individuals who committed multi-million dollar fraud?
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_37: But then when they break down the details, they end up being, yeah, they paid off all their debt.
• 1:44:09
  SPEAKER_37: They took all that money and they put it in a in an IRA or a Roth account.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_37: Has that ever happened?
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_37: I want that story.
• 1:44:21
  SPEAKER_37: I want him, I would want to see him held accountable, but at the same time, I would love to see the court case and the judge's response if they actually took the money and did something with it.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, we you listen, I know we stole$30 million, guys, you know, but we you know we gave it to you know the autism center to help for new, you know, to to help with new research.
• 1:44:46
  SPEAKER_37: We just we decided to pack it away for our retirement savings.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_37: Is that every it seems like every single time because somebody goes and commits fraud when they get busted, you just find out that, oh yeah, they wouldn't spend on a bunch of garbage.
• 1:45:03
  SPEAKER_37: The movies depict this all the time, right?
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_37: It's always the good, the the good guy robber.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_37: This is this one last job, then I'm out.
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_37: I'm gonna get my share.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_37: I've put in my time.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_37: That was heat for crying out loud.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_37: Can't stand uh, cannot stand Robert De Niro, but he's fantastic, as is Al Pacino in that movie.
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_37: But that was the whole deal.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_37: He found the girl, was gonna get out, got the money, was gonna leave, and that was it.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_37: He was gonna leave with his newfound way too young for his age, Gal pal, and they were gonna go and enjoy a time uh, you know, outside of America, just enjoying and basking in the riches of what he had stolen.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_37: No, never you end up with you know, Mickey Mouse items, Gucci watches, and fancy cars.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_37: I just one time I put it into a savings account.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_37: Earning 4% interest.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_37: Seriously.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_37: Fendi Jenga.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_05: At the same time, they were bouncing employee paychecks.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_05: Evergreen CEO and CFO have already pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, which they said in court they did at GRIGO's direction.
• 1:46:12
  SPEAKER_05: She is scheduled to go on trial for wire fraud and money laundering in November, but is long claimed innocence.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_05: How the f and everything you've said is false.
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_05: Everything you said is slander, and will be available to court.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_05: I promise you that.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_05: All right, look forward to.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_05: Backus, who has not been charged in the fraud case, has now been ordered to give a sworn declaration about that undisclosed 25 mil.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_45: I think it's important for people to realize just how much of a life of luxury the people who are stealing our money with fake Medicaid billing are actually living.
• 1:46:44
  SPEAKER_45: So this is one company in Minnesota under Tim Watson Democrats, and they are an addiction recovery center.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_45: Well, here is an itemized list of things that were caught by the FBI that they were spending their money on.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_45: I think it's important that we actually go over this.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_45: $10.4 million in charges from 2019 to 2024 alone.
• 1:47:05
  SPEAKER_45: Those charges included$3.5 million in leather goods and luggage,$380,000 in jewelry and watches,$150,000 in clothing and shoes, one month of Louis Vuitton alone was$440,000.
• 1:47:23
  SPEAKER_45: Almost half a million dollars.
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_45: June 2024 spending was$35,000 at Fendi,$57,000 at Louis Vuitton,$13,000 on Hermes,$64,000 on a private jet, and$41,000 on an Airbnb while their employees' paychecks bounced.
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_45: And take a look at this newest finding of the$25 million CD.
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_45: They say they didn't do anything, obviously they did a whole bunch of spending of our tax money.
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_45: Here is a list of some of the craziest items that they bought.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_45: You can kind of go through this at your own pace.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_45: But the one thing I will point out is they already did it ready to Mickey Mouse watch, but look at this.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_45: Three Minnesota homes.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_45: So while you are working and you can't afford rent, you can't afford groceries, you're worried about the price of gasoline every single day to drive your car.
• 1:48:19
  SPEAKER_45: The people that are stealing our money with fake Medicaid billing are buying all of this stuff$440,000 in luxury goods in one month right here alone.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_45: I mean and John Vicker here.
• 1:48:33
  SPEAKER_33: Um, I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say that Bacchus and Grago probably wanted to spend their money on all this new stuff because well they just didn't have any of that fun stuff in the Greek Empire that they used to live in.
• 1:48:49
  SPEAKER_37: I just went to store Oh, we paid off our mortgage.
• 1:48:53
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, we uh funded our uh daughter's wedding.
• 1:48:59
  SPEAKER_35: Just once.
• 1:49:02
  SPEAKER_35: Hey John, giving money to the autism center, that's a bad example uh in Minnesota.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, okay.
• 1:49:08
  SPEAKER_37: All right, alright, in my defense.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_37: It was the first thing that came to mind.
• 1:49:11
  SPEAKER_37: I was trying.
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_37: I'm talking about a legitimate autism center, okay.
• 1:49:15
  SPEAKER_37: That's the one I was making the reference to my joke.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_37: It was just top of mind.
• 1:49:18
  SPEAKER_35: Anyway, they have more to say.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_35: People that steal uh taxpayer money and grants and etc., they need to be thrown under the jail.
• 1:49:26
  SPEAKER_35: My sentences, as far as I'm concerned, because that's the only way to deter these crimes.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_35: I'm so tired of writing a check every year for taxes, only to see it stolen and wasted and given away.
• 1:49:40
  SPEAKER_35: And my roads are full of potholes.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_35: Tired of it, John.
• 1:49:45
  SPEAKER_35: Tired.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_37: You know what we need?
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_37: If I were running for for governor, I'm not, and I never will, but if I was, uh I would put together I would need kind of and I know this sounds similar to Doge.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_37: But let me let me set the stage here.
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_37: Uh Logan and I were watching Zero Dark 30 last night.
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_37: Um, fantastic film.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_37: Um Jessica Chastain is the is the woman who's tracking down Osama bin Laden.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_37: It was really interesting watching Logan once again kind of come to the realization, because he's seen this film before, about just the length of time between 9-11 and when we actually got Osama bin Laden and how long that took.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_37: I'll never forget that night when the announcement was made.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_37: I know the room that I was in, I know the TV that I was watching the announcement being made when we finally went in and uh and and got him.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_37: But in that, there's a there's a moment where a significant amount of time passes, there's a new group of individuals that are all tasked with trying to find Osama bin Laden.
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_37: And Mark Strong, the actor, comes into the room, he's the new director.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_37: This was right after Obama had become president and basically said, you know, if you think there's another group somewhere that's looking for bin Laden, you're wrong.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_37: There is no other, there's nobody else on another floor.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_37: There's no other group somewhere else that's doing this work.
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_37: It is just you guys.
• 1:51:16
  SPEAKER_37: You're the only ones tasked with tracking down and finding the individual responsible for coordinating the attack against the United States that murdered thousands of people.
• 1:51:26
  SPEAKER_37: If I was running for governor, that's what that's what I would do.
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_37: I would put together just basically this is the fraud task force.
• 1:51:32
  SPEAKER_37: Handpick the individual and say, your only job, you know, screw screw this idea of a of an audit.
• 1:51:39
  SPEAKER_37: Just we have all the relevant information and data.
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_37: Those are just talking points.
• 1:51:44
  SPEAKER_37: Doesn't need to happen.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_37: No, you need a team, a group of individuals, however you determine, five, ten, and your only job is to go through every single aspect of government and identify the fraud and then work at holding people accountable.
• 1:51:59
  SPEAKER_37: That's it.
• 1:52:00
  SPEAKER_37: That's your only job.
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_37: And then once you kind of get a grip on it, then maybe you can pare down the group to a handful of people.
• 1:52:07
  SPEAKER_37: Once we've established a brand new baseline wherein fraud will be immediately identified, you'll immediately have the funding stop and you'll immediately be held accountable.
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_37: I that's what that's what I would do, but that's also a real easy thing for an individual just sitting here behind the mic pontificating about this stuff to say.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_37: All right, uh, let's get back uh to some more of your comments this morning.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_37: Here on the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_37: Good morning, John.
• 1:52:34
  SPEAKER_50: So this couple that's running the you know addiction recovery services or whatever.
• 1:52:40
  SPEAKER_50: Seems like they might be addicted to stealing money, but they also seem like to Lloyd and Harry from Dumb and Dumber, where they're they spend all the money and then at the end they got this suitcase full of IOUs.
• 1:52:55
  SPEAKER_50: Yeah, we're good for it.
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_50: What a couple of boobs.
• 1:52:59
  SPEAKER_37: We had a uh question that rolled in to the blaster line.
• 1:53:04
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, what if you won the governor's seat as a write-in, John?
• 1:53:07
  SPEAKER_37: Would you serve then?
• 1:53:10
  SPEAKER_37: I don't know, what are the hours?
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_37: Probably not.
• 1:53:18
  SPEAKER_37: That's not no, man.
• 1:53:20
  SPEAKER_37: That's that whole situation of, you know, you what is it, you live long enough to become the villain kind of situation.
• 1:53:28
  SPEAKER_37: I forgot how that saying goes.
• 1:53:29
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, I don't I probably first off, it's an easy one, because that's never gonna happen.
• 1:53:34
  SPEAKER_37: But two, yeah, I don't I don't know if I would.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_37: Maybe, you know, I would be like um Maximus in Gladiator, right?
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_37: Reluctantly.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_37: He just wanted to get home to his family.
• 1:53:50
  SPEAKER_37: Sequel was not nearly as good, by the way.
• 1:53:53
  SPEAKER_37: Uh somebody else wrote in the 25 million was put into a CD, presumably for retirement.
• 1:53:59
  SPEAKER_37: Right?
• 1:54:00
  SPEAKER_37: Just just once.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_37: Just once, I would love to hear that story about somebody who took the money and then did something really good with it.
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_32: Hey, John.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_32: One thing we never hear about from the fraudsters is uh this money in relationship to uh paying taxes.
• 1:54:22
  SPEAKER_32: And is the IRS involved because um this income for their businesses did they all file appropriate taxes with this money?
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_31: Good money can rich here.
• 1:54:40
  SPEAKER_31: So when we talk about having a special committee or just their jobs to be just fraud, it'd be kind of like having the people that were gonna do the ice and come up with their their honest and faith and good good truthfulness on that Kim Walt appointed You'd have to find outside investigators that are non-biased and ones that will present all the evidence, not collective evidence.
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_31: And then the other thing would be is that they actually are doing it for the real intention, not to control the outcome for the political owners or political people that they're serving.
• 1:55:24
  SPEAKER_37: Uh thank you as always for the comment, Rich.
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  SPEAKER_37: 651-964-0294.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_26: Good morning, John.
• 1:55:32
  SPEAKER_26: You said you would never run for governor.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_26: Yeah.
• 1:55:35
  SPEAKER_26: I would never say never.
• 1:55:36
  SPEAKER_26: I believe Tom Emmer and Jason Lewis were talk show hosts before they got into political theater as far as being elected.
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_26: I would never say never, and I think I might vote for you if you ran for governor.
• 1:55:48
  SPEAKER_26: Well, I have a great day.
• 1:55:50
  SPEAKER_37: I appreciate the sentiment.
• 1:55:51
  SPEAKER_37: I'm going to be completely up front.
• 1:55:53
  SPEAKER_37: I I I can't I do I do not want to engage in the necessary work to hold a position of power like that.
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_37: Anyone that knows me knows this is the case.
• 1:56:04
  SPEAKER_37: Uh Callie Proctor, friend of the show.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_37: Oh man, I wish I had it at the ready.
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_37: Maybe I'll try to find it here in just a moment.
• 1:56:10
  SPEAKER_37: I'm gonna take a we are gonna take a quick break um for just a second.
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_37: Uh but uh she found this post and it pushes back on younger generations looking at individuals like myself and those older who just want to stay home on a Friday and Saturday night.
• 1:56:28
  SPEAKER_37: Or your children looking at you going, God, you guys are so boring.
• 1:56:32
  SPEAKER_37: It's like, no, no, no, you misunderstand.
• 1:56:34
  SPEAKER_37: We had our time.
• 1:56:36
  SPEAKER_37: I have a binder at home filled with concert ticket stubs.
• 1:56:42
  SPEAKER_37: Like I the record that I have was like 32 shows that I went to inside of one year in the 90s.
• 1:56:50
  SPEAKER_37: Like I had my time, but the amount of legwork, door knocking, and all of that that takes to go and run for office, I no, I'm I'm good.
• 1:57:00
  SPEAKER_37: Anybody anybody who knows me for any length of time, um, including my wife Melinda is probably chuckling at that idea of me going out and spending tons of time on the road door knocking.
• 1:57:11
  SPEAKER_37: No, it's just listen, you're doing the Lord's work if you're willing to go and do that.
• 1:57:16
  SPEAKER_37: I'm just I'm I'm not built for that.
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_37: I had my I had my time outside.
• 1:57:20
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  SPEAKER_37: I found that post I was talking about just a moment ago.
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  SPEAKER_37: So I don't know how do we get to the Oh, I was talking about if I was in charge and I would put together a fraud team.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_37: That's right.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_37: And suddenly this turned into me being a write-in candidate for governor.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_37: No, I'm good.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_37: Somebody did write did uh ask, though, via the blaster line if John Justice did win the right-in governor vote, would Mike Lindell be your lieutenant governor?
• 2:03:23
  SPEAKER_37: No, I was thinking about it during the break, and I was like, wow, who would I make my lieutenant governor?
• 2:03:28
  SPEAKER_37: Could I have co-lieutenant governors, you know, Max and AK?
• 2:03:32
  SPEAKER_37: And then I thought, no, no, no, no, no.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_37: You know who my lieutenant governor would be?
• 2:03:37
  SPEAKER_37: It would be Katherine Johnson.
• 2:03:39
  SPEAKER_37: The wild card.
• 2:03:40
  SPEAKER_37: Because she that would she she'd be the perfect lieutenant governor.
• 2:03:44
  SPEAKER_37: Because she's not going to hold back on her opinion.
• 2:03:47
  SPEAKER_37: She has wildly different views than a lot of people on a number of different on different issues.
• 2:03:53
  SPEAKER_37: She would be the perfect lieutenant governor.
• 2:03:55
  SPEAKER_37: She would hold me accountable.
• 2:03:57
  SPEAKER_37: She would challenge me.
• 2:03:58
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah.
• 2:03:58
  SPEAKER_37: So that's who my Lord willing.
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_37: Right.
• 2:04:02
  SPEAKER_37: She would be.
• 2:04:04
  SPEAKER_37: I'm not sure how she feels about that, especially with the baby on the way.
• 2:04:09
  SPEAKER_37: But yeah, yeah, Justice and Johnson.
• 2:04:15
  SPEAKER_37: There you go.
• 2:04:19
  SPEAKER_37: That would be the absolute best.
• 2:04:21
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, okay.
• 2:04:22
  SPEAKER_37: Actually, she uh she she's right.
• 2:04:24
  SPEAKER_37: She says she's honored.
• 2:04:25
  SPEAKER_37: So cool.
• 2:04:26
  SPEAKER_37: Like us a formula asks.
• 2:04:27
  SPEAKER_37: Catherine Johnson, will you be my lieutenant governor?
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_37: Don't worry, I'm not running.
• 2:04:34
  SPEAKER_37: 651-964-0294.
• 2:04:38
  SPEAKER_37: All right.
• 2:04:39
  SPEAKER_37: Let's go here.
• 2:04:40
  SPEAKER_37: By the way, uh I forgot to mention um a friend of the show, lawyer James Dickey.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, this is going way back into last hour, where we were talking about the fraud and the Operation Metro Surge uh community relief program that ended up being shut down because people were trying to commit fraud through the program.
• 2:05:00
  SPEAKER_37: They only ended up issuing some, you know, 80 applicants.
• 2:05:04
  SPEAKER_37: The rest of the hundreds were rejected because they were identifying fraud.
• 2:05:08
  SPEAKER_37: And we had a comment that came in asking if those individuals will be held accountable.
• 2:05:13
  SPEAKER_37: And I raised the question of, well, you know, at what level of your attempts at fraud in an application process would it rise to criminality?
• 2:05:22
  SPEAKER_37: And James Dickey essentially wrote in and said that's a really difficult one to answer without having the specific um uh details.
• 2:05:31
  SPEAKER_37: So and Catherine apparently is already drawing up lawn signs for Justice and Johnson.
• 2:05:36
  SPEAKER_37: So there you go.
• 2:05:37
  SPEAKER_37: See, it's JJ.
• 2:05:38
  SPEAKER_37: It works both ways.
• 2:05:39
  SPEAKER_37: We already have a logo.
• 2:05:42
  SPEAKER_37: All right, let's go here.
• 2:05:44
  SPEAKER_37: Minnesota Republican Congressional Delegation is asking Attorney General Todd Blanch to review Hennepin County attorney Mary Moriarty's decision to not charge the gunmen before this month's deadly mass shooting at Loring Park's high rise.
• 2:06:00
  SPEAKER_37: We've been talking about this on the show, about all of the various laws that were in place that were supposed to keep this kind of thing from happening, according to those that supported those gun control laws.
• 2:06:13
  SPEAKER_37: And yet, and you don't implement them and you don't use them, and they'll do a whole heck of a lot of good.
• 2:06:18
  SPEAKER_37: In the letter on Monday, Representatives Brad Finstead, Pete Stauber, Michelle Fishbach are all calling on Attorney General Todd Blanch to review the circumstances leading up to that September 2nd shooting at the Shoreline Plaza building.
• 2:06:31
  SPEAKER_37: In the meantime, Alpha News has this story.
• 2:06:33
  SPEAKER_37: We did not get a chance to get into it uh yesterday on the show, but let's go ahead and present the uh the details uh for you uh now.
• 2:06:41
  SPEAKER_37: Mary Moriarty, she has spent years pushing back on the idea that Minneapolis is a dangerous place.
• 2:06:53
  SPEAKER_37: Over and over again.
• 2:06:54
  SPEAKER_37: As a matter of fact, here's here's the the example of her saying just that as we bring you the story about how taxpayers have spent, speaking of your money, and what I think actually is kind of fraud, different type, but you get the idea.
• 2:07:09
  SPEAKER_37: Taxpayers have spent$500,000 plus on security for Mary Moriarty.
• 2:07:14
  SPEAKER_37: And yet she's constantly been talking and pushing back on the idea that Minneapolis is a dangerous place.
• 2:07:20
  SPEAKER_14: This is Hennepin County attorney Mary Moriarty.
• 2:07:23
  SPEAKER_14: There are reports that the Trump administration is planning to send ICE agents here to the Twin Cities to target our neighbors of Somali descent.
• 2:07:33
  SPEAKER_37: By the way, so this was obviously going back to the beginning of Operation Metro Surge.
• 2:07:36
  SPEAKER_37: Every single one of these videos plays off like a hostage video.
• 2:07:40
  SPEAKER_37: Like it's Michael Scott filming one of his videos on the office.
• 2:07:43
  SPEAKER_37: She's standing there in her office behind the table.
• 2:07:45
  SPEAKER_37: She's got her script in front of me, and she's reading as if right off camera, there's a guy standing there threatening her, forcing her to go and read these statements.
• 2:07:54
  SPEAKER_37: They're utterly they're stupid.
• 2:07:56
  SPEAKER_37: They're just stupid.
• 2:07:57
  SPEAKER_37: But here's more of Scary Moriarty.
• 2:07:59
  SPEAKER_14: This is part of a recent pattern to single out our Somali community members.
• 2:08:05
  SPEAKER_14: This is rooted in the idea that if they spew hatred, it will divide us.
• 2:08:10
  SPEAKER_14: But we won't let that happen.
• 2:08:12
  SPEAKER_14: There are no roving gangs of Somali people in this community harassing, threatening, doing anything to any of our community members.
• 2:08:24
  SPEAKER_37: Boy, that that uh that aged uh poorly in the wake of the Minnesota uh State Fair.
• 2:08:30
  SPEAKER_37: The guy that was beaten to a pulp at the state fair that got very little um coverage apart from outlets like uh Alpha News and uh and ours, yeah.
• 2:08:42
  SPEAKER_37: It's just there's weekly stories at this point in time.
• 2:08:45
  SPEAKER_37: Um that very fact.
• 2:08:46
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, here's more of her going blah blah.
• 2:08:48
  SPEAKER_14: Let me repeat that again because I've heard this often.
• 2:08:51
  SPEAKER_14: Please are woven gangs of Somalis targeting or harassing or doing anything inappropriate to any community members.
• 2:09:00
  SPEAKER_14: Those are simply lies.
• 2:09:01
  SPEAKER_37: It is And you and you know what?
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_37: If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance.
• 2:09:10
  SPEAKER_37: Replacement, the great replacement theory is just a conspiracy.
• 2:09:14
  SPEAKER_14: Not true.
• 2:09:16
  SPEAKER_14: Our office at the Hennepin County Attorney's Office here will not assist in any way, shape, or form in any of these ICE raids.
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_14: From our small business owners to our health care workers, to our Lyft and Uber drivers, to children growing up in Cedar Riverside and families shopping at the Carmel Mall, our Somali community members are makes are what makes Minneapolis one of the finest places in the world to live.
• 2:09:44
  SPEAKER_14: We will not let Trump's hatred divide us.
• 2:09:47
  SPEAKER_14: We will stand side by side with our Somali community members.
• 2:09:52
  SPEAKER_37: Crime is down, she recently also declared, questioning what she called fear-mongering about public safety.
• 2:09:59
  SPEAKER_37: It's the latest example of Moriarty pushing back on the rhetoric about violence and the Somali gang activity, as you just heard.
• 2:10:05
  SPEAKER_37: But when it comes to protecting Moriarty, Hennepin County apparently isn't taking any chances.
• 2:10:10
  SPEAKER_37: Records obtained by Alpha News show that Hennepin County has paid a private security company$513,223 because I know how to read numbers, unlike staff of the Minneapolis City Council.
• 2:10:25
  SPEAKER_37: That was since November of 2023.
• 2:10:28
  SPEAKER_37: Obtaining those records took an unusually long time.
• 2:10:31
  SPEAKER_37: Alpha News submitted the data request in 2024, but received the records from Hennepin County only days ago.
• 2:10:39
  SPEAKER_37: Records show that Hennepin County paid private security company relative Intel,$10,950 in 2023,$103,825 in 24,$183,875 in 25.
• 2:10:53
  SPEAKER_37: And through August 28th of this year, payments reached at nearly$214,573, more than double the amount spent during all of 2024.
• 2:11:05
  SPEAKER_37: And that would be after she made the decision to no longer serve in that position, which means that her profile kind of diminished quite a bit since she wasn't going to be staying in the role as Hennepin County attorney.
• 2:11:20
  SPEAKER_37: Attorney Chris Maddalm, who has repeatedly clashed with Moriarty and represented the Minnesota State trooper Ryan Londregion, with Moriarty unsuccessfully protecting him in 2024, said he sees a glaring contradiction.
• 2:11:34
  SPEAKER_37: Mary Moriarty spends her time telling Minneapolis residents not to worry while spending five hundred and thirteen thousand dollars, and she says don't worry about the crime, but that's to make sure she doesn't have anything to worry about herself.
• 2:11:48
  SPEAKER_37: That's not leadership, that's hypocrisy with a security detail.
• 2:11:52
  SPEAKER_37: Moriarty has also been vocal in pushing back against claims regarding Somali gang activity in the Twin Cities.
• 2:11:58
  SPEAKER_37: In December of twenty Operation Metro Surge was starting.
• 2:12:02
  SPEAKER_37: Moriarty downplayed, as we played for you, the audio, the concerns about Somali gangs.
• 2:12:06
  SPEAKER_37: Months later, however, Ramsey County law enforcement officials publicly sounded the alarm about what they described as out of control Somali gang problems in the Twin Cities.
• 2:12:13
  SPEAKER_37: Ramsey County Sheriff Office Deputy Ben Seidel said in July that Minnesota has roughly a dozen Somali gangs, some with connections to gangs in Ohio.
• 2:12:23
  SPEAKER_37: They even have names.
• 2:12:25
  SPEAKER_37: Like The Muddy and Deville.
• 2:12:29
  SPEAKER_37: They planned on going to Rumble at the Minnesota State Fair.
• 2:12:34
  SPEAKER_37: Which, by the way, I'm pretty sure that's the last time since like Happy Days in the Outsiders that anybody's used the word rumble.
• 2:12:40
  SPEAKER_37: Top of mind, I watched The Outsiders over the weekend for the first time.
• 2:12:44
  SPEAKER_37: Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher also criticized what he described as the reluctance by public officials and the media to acknowledge the extent of the problem.
• 2:12:52
  SPEAKER_37: Maddel said the newly obtained spending records make Moriarty's messaging particularly striking.
• 2:12:57
  SPEAKER_37: Nothing says that Minneapolis is perfectly safe, quite like$513,000.
• 2:13:06
  SPEAKER_37: In the security detail, Mattle said.
• 2:13:08
  SPEAKER_37: Apparently, Mary Moriarty's confidence in her own messaging has an enormous price tag.
• 2:13:15
  SPEAKER_37: And Hennepin County taxpayers are footing the bill.
• 2:13:17
  SPEAKER_37: He also questioned why taxpayers are paying for that level of protection when others who receive threats are offered no similar security.
• 2:13:25
  SPEAKER_37: I get threats all the time.
• 2:13:26
  SPEAKER_37: I just carry around my burnout.
• 2:13:31
  SPEAKER_37: He questioned why taxpayers are paying for that level, saying, I know people who receive genuine death threats and get no taxpayer funding protection whatsoever, said Mattle.
• 2:13:39
  SPEAKER_37: So apparently crime is only a crisis when Moriarty is the one who has to face it.
• 2:13:47
  SPEAKER_37: Another half a million dollar taxpayer tab.
• 2:13:50
  SPEAKER_37: Moriarty's office, unsurprisingly, did not respond to Alpha News inquiries about security arrangements.
• 2:13:57
  SPEAKER_37: Moriarty was elected the Hennepin County Attorney back in 2022, took the office in 2023, but voters will not get another chance to weigh in on her tenure.
• 2:14:07
  SPEAKER_37: She announced in 2025 that she would not seek re-election in 26, making her current term her first and last as a Hennepin County attorney for almost exactly the same reasons as Governor Dim Walls is not running for re-election.
• 2:14:22
  SPEAKER_37: Plain and simple.
• 2:14:27
  SPEAKER_37: Couldn't deal with it anymore.
• 2:14:29
  SPEAKER_37: Look at the graphs when it comes to the relative crime in Minneapolis, even despite that new report that came out that shows, yeah, we've had nationwide a drop in crime, mostly due to the increased security of the American public policies pushed and supported by the Trump administration and those in Congress.
• 2:14:50
  SPEAKER_37: And we have seen some ramifications of that here as well.
• 2:14:54
  SPEAKER_37: You also have the ICE presence that took place earlier this year that pushed back on a lot of this criminal activity that was taking place, but it still is well above what we had in the Twin Cities prior to COVID.
• 2:15:07
  SPEAKER_37: And if you look at the election of Moriarty and you look at the crime, you're gonna see a dramatic correlation there.
• 2:15:14
  SPEAKER_37: So while a Hennepin County attorney, uh Scary Moriarty, is spending five hundred thousand dollars plus to keep herself safe.
• 2:15:21
  SPEAKER_37: That's your money.
• 2:15:24
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• 2:15:34
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• 2:17:50
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• 2:17:51
  SPEAKER_37: The Minneapolis City Council.
• 2:17:53
  SPEAKER_37: Now we're going to talk about this more on uh tomorrow's show.
• 2:17:57
  SPEAKER_37: One of the most ridiculous ideas that I've seen them come up with so far, they may require driverless vehicles to have someone in the driver's seat.
• 2:18:05
  SPEAKER_37: There's a couple of different uh editorials, but the authors of this new policy, the self-proclaimed Democrat Socialist, put uh an editorial out today defending their position.
• 2:18:20
  SPEAKER_37: Waymo could cost thousands their jobs.
• 2:18:23
  SPEAKER_37: We want to change that.
• 2:18:24
  SPEAKER_37: Our proposed ordinance would protect jobs predominantly done by immigrants by requiring robotaxis to have human safety monitors in the car.
• 2:18:34
  SPEAKER_37: Now, again, we'll get into further details of this uh hopefully tomorrow on the show.
• 2:18:38
  SPEAKER_37: Becca Johnson, former elected official and now defender of the righteous and the good in Minneapolis, she'll be joining us back in studio uh tomorrow on the show.
• 2:18:48
  SPEAKER_37: It's one of the items that we'll talk about with her.
• 2:18:51
  SPEAKER_37: But this is all under the false perception that they're trying to protect workers.
• 2:18:58
  SPEAKER_37: Right?
• 2:18:58
  SPEAKER_37: These self-proclaimed socialists are trying to use the power of government to force a bad business model just so they have a talking point that they are defending the workers in Minneapolis.
• 2:19:09
  SPEAKER_37: You know, we saw this happen before when it came to the rideshare programs.
• 2:19:13
  SPEAKER_37: It's all a massive, massive smokescreen that ultimately is going to be to the detriment of the people of Minneapolis and certainly to Waymo in their business model.
• 2:19:25
  SPEAKER_37: That's one of the stupidest things I've heard.
• 2:19:27
  SPEAKER_37: But this is par for the course when it comes to the Minneapolis City Council.
• 2:19:31
  SPEAKER_37: Case in point, this is a fantastic.
• 2:19:33
  SPEAKER_37: I trimmed this up a little bit, but I wanted to share with you some of it.
• 2:19:35
  SPEAKER_37: John Stossel, of whom I have a tremendous amount of respect for, did a recent post talking about the devastating impact of rent control, including right here in Minnesota.
• 2:19:48
  SPEAKER_37: Give a listen to this.
• 2:19:50
  SPEAKER_21: I'm told Americans can't afford rent.
• 2:19:52
  SPEAKER_21: To fix that, activists in both Minneapolis and St.
• 2:19:56
  SPEAKER_21: Paul voted for Mexico, Mexico.
• 2:20:00
  SPEAKER_21: And St.
• 2:20:01
  SPEAKER_21: Paul got big rent control.
• 2:20:03
  SPEAKER_21: The most stringent measure in the country.
• 2:20:05
  SPEAKER_21: What would that do?
• 2:20:07
  SPEAKER_21: I thought there would be big problems.
• 2:20:09
  SPEAKER_21: Well, now it's four years later, so was I right?
• 2:20:12
  SPEAKER_21: The end of this video I'll reveal what happened.
• 2:20:15
  SPEAKER_21: But first the background.
• 2:20:17
  SPEAKER_21: St.
• 2:20:17
  SPEAKER_21: Paul politicians said rent control would end profiteering.
• 2:20:22
  SPEAKER_17: This is meant to curb extractive rent increases.
• 2:20:26
  SPEAKER_21: Extractive increases.
• 2:20:28
  SPEAKER_17: Unfair profiteering.
• 2:20:29
  SPEAKER_21: It's predatory practice.
• 2:20:31
  SPEAKER_21: Those are powerful words.
• 2:20:33
  SPEAKER_21: But what do the words mean?
• 2:20:35
  SPEAKER_21: Profiteering?
• 2:20:36
  SPEAKER_21: Profits are what persuade people to build things.
• 2:20:40
  SPEAKER_21: When profits are high, other builders rush in to grab those profits.
• 2:20:45
  SPEAKER_21: So there'll be more housing, and that will lower rents.
• 2:20:48
  SPEAKER_21: That's just how markets work.
• 2:20:50
  SPEAKER_21: If we have less supply, prices go up.
• 2:20:53
  SPEAKER_21: Cecil Smith of Minnesota's Multi-Housing Association.
• 2:20:56
  SPEAKER_21: We need more supply.
• 2:20:57
  SPEAKER_21: We need more housing.
• 2:20:58
  SPEAKER_21: But studies show rent control reduces the supply of rental housing.
• 2:21:03
  SPEAKER_21: Activists don't want to hear that.
• 2:21:05
  SPEAKER_07: We don't need more studies.
• 2:21:07
  SPEAKER_07: We don't need to collect more data.
• 2:21:09
  SPEAKER_07: We need action now.
• 2:21:11
  SPEAKER_21: St.
• 2:21:11
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's actions were uniquely strict.
• 2:21:14
  SPEAKER_33: Many cities exempt new construction.
• 2:21:16
  SPEAKER_33: St.
• 2:21:16
  SPEAKER_33: Paul's ordinance would not.
• 2:21:18
  SPEAKER_39: It's the most draconian rent control that anybody's ever imagined.
• 2:21:21
  SPEAKER_39: This is such a step backwards.
• 2:21:23
  SPEAKER_39: Mercada Center economist Salim Firth studies housing.
• 2:21:27
  SPEAKER_39: What St.
• 2:21:27
  SPEAKER_39: Paul is doing is actually going to hurt renters because they're going to have fewer choices.
• 2:21:31
  SPEAKER_39: The market's going to shrink and quality is going to fall.
• 2:21:33
  SPEAKER_21: St.
• 2:21:34
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's mayor voted for rent control, but now has second thought.
• 2:21:38
  SPEAKER_21: Turning off our supply of new housing would be disastrous for us as a community.
• 2:21:43
  SPEAKER_21: The mayor voted for it, but now he says, wait a second, we we we shouldn't apply this to new housing.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_21: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_39: Yeah, because he knows that it's just absolutely going to shut down construction.
• 2:21:54
  SPEAKER_39: Every rent control ordinance that even lefties have supported has had an exemption for new construction because everybody understood that if you'd apply this to new construction, you would completely shut it down.
• 2:22:05
  SPEAKER_12: Lenders are going to have to look long and hard about financing a project coming up.
• 2:22:10
  SPEAKER_39: If you don't already have a building, why would you enter a market where it seems like the government is actively trying to hurt you?
• 2:22:17
  SPEAKER_39: You're providing an essential service, something that human beings need to live.
• 2:22:22
  SPEAKER_39: And if the government there is viewing you as a hostile outsider, I wouldn't want to bring any service into a market like that.
• 2:22:28
  SPEAKER_21: In St.
• 2:22:29
  SPEAKER_21: Paul, they can just move a few blocks over to St.
• 2:22:32
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's twin city.
• 2:22:34
  SPEAKER_21: Although Minneapolis also voted to allow rent control, they've been wary about imposing it.
• 2:22:39
  SPEAKER_18: There'd be a final report by the end of this year so voters could weigh in in next year's election.
• 2:22:45
  SPEAKER_18: It matters that we take action now.
• 2:22:47
  SPEAKER_21: This city council member's frustrated that Minneapolis hasn't yet adopted St.
• 2:22:51
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's strict rules.
• 2:22:59
  SPEAKER_21: She's the only Minnesota rent control promoter who'd talk to me.
• 2:23:02
  SPEAKER_21: If you're a builder, why would you build in a place where you can't raise the rent more than 3%, which is less than inflation?
• 2:23:12
  SPEAKER_19: If you're a person who lives in the city and you can't stay here anymore, then we don't have a city anymore.
• 2:23:19
  SPEAKER_21: But the way you have a city is if people build apartments and houses, and that's what eventually brings the price down.
• 2:23:28
  SPEAKER_19: In other cities, we have continued to see the development of property continue to happen.
• 2:23:34
  SPEAKER_19: What cities?
• 2:23:35
  SPEAKER_19: In San Francisco, there's continued to be development.
• 2:23:37
  SPEAKER_21: San Francisco?
• 2:23:39
  SPEAKER_21: That's a bad example of new development.
• 2:23:42
  SPEAKER_21: Builders still build in Minneapolis.
• 2:23:44
  SPEAKER_21: Building permits were up 65% last winter.
• 2:23:48
  SPEAKER_21: But in St.
• 2:23:49
  SPEAKER_21: Paul, they're down 60% because of rent control.
• 2:23:55
  SPEAKER_21: You're not going to get more apartments by pushing this.
• 2:23:58
  SPEAKER_21: Don't elected officials research issues before imposing government force on others?
• 2:24:04
  SPEAKER_19: I'm going to maintain that guaranteeing housing for people and making sure that they can stay in their homes matters more than anything else does.
• 2:24:12
  SPEAKER_21: You're a socialist.
• 2:24:14
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 2:24:15
  SPEAKER_21: Where has that ever worked?
• 2:24:20
  SPEAKER_19: I'm doing a just fine job of representing my community.
• 2:24:28
  SPEAKER_37: That's probably my favorite part of that entire clip.
• 2:24:32
  SPEAKER_37: You're a socialist.
• 2:24:33
  SPEAKER_37: Where has it ever worked?
• 2:24:35
  SPEAKER_37: I'm doing a great job, everybody.
• 2:24:37
  SPEAKER_37: Maybe it didn't work before.
• 2:24:39
  SPEAKER_37: I'm like, I don't want to add to it.
• 2:24:40
  SPEAKER_37: There's no reason to add to it.
• 2:24:41
  SPEAKER_37: She didn't even bother.
• 2:24:43
  SPEAKER_37: I'm a good representative for what I do.
• 2:24:46
  SPEAKER_37: You know, one aspect there's a few more minutes on this.
• 2:24:48
  SPEAKER_37: It's almost, it's almost wrapped up here.
• 2:24:50
  SPEAKER_37: Uh was a fan.
• 2:24:50
  SPEAKER_37: Like I said, I trimmed it up.
• 2:24:51
  SPEAKER_37: It's a fantastic uh expose done by uh John Stossel here.
• 2:24:57
  SPEAKER_37: But there's another aspect of this too, and that's when it comes back to illegal immigration.
• 2:25:01
  SPEAKER_37: I don't think most people realize the impact that illegal immigration has on almost every single sector of life, including housing.
• 2:25:08
  SPEAKER_37: If you deal with the problem of illegal immigration and deport the individuals who flooded into the country illegally, many of whom are occupying the very homes that could be made available to legitimate citizens of the United States and therefore helping to go and drive down the cost, you're helping to go and deal with the problem.
• 2:25:26
  SPEAKER_37: But that aspect of it gets ignored far too often.
• 2:25:29
  SPEAKER_37: Before I wrap up on this um rent control story from John Stossel, I do want to get back to just a few comments that have rolled into the uh blaster line this morning.
• 2:25:41
  SPEAKER_37: Again, 651-964-0294, specifically regarding uh Hennepin County attorney Mary Moriarty and um her need for a security detail.
• 2:25:54
  SPEAKER_11: Good morning, John.
• 2:25:56
  SPEAKER_11: If I heard you correctly with Mary Moriarty, there was one year that her detail for security uh cost doubled.
• 2:26:05
  SPEAKER_11: Maybe that should be looked into as fraud also, and who is the company she's paying and what is her connection to them other than just a security detail?
• 2:26:14
  SPEAKER_11: Because we've seen in the past that anytime a payment like that increases by that much, then usually fraud is involved.
• 2:26:23
  SPEAKER_11: Or maybe she has a relative that's in that company and fraud involved.
• 2:26:42
  SPEAKER_30: I actually am a few because I believe that had I executed her policy over several million people in the seven county metro area, I two would probably need a full security team, likely even larger than the one she's got.
• 2:27:01
  SPEAKER_30: Anyone who does that doesn't need to worry about the small games, they gotta worry about the retribution of the community that's hurt.
• 2:27:13
  SPEAKER_22: Hey John, I don't know if you saw the tweet by Mike Norton, our buddy yesterday.
• 2:27:18
  SPEAKER_22: He's blaming all the extra security for uh scary Mary on Alpha News and right-wing people.
• 2:27:25
  SPEAKER_37: Yeah, that does not surprise me in the least bit.
• 2:27:29
  SPEAKER_37: Um, you know, Mike Norton falls into the category of first off, he's a Minneapolis apologist, but he's also just a self-made quasi-celebrity.
• 2:27:38
  SPEAKER_37: He made a name for himself by going out there and ridiculously defending every single legitimate argument that people have regarding safety and security and the state of the city of Minneapolis and the Twin Cities, and he's just created this celebrity status.
• 2:27:56
  SPEAKER_37: And so it doesn't surprise me at all that he would move forward with a ridiculous argument saying that, oh, it's just because of right-wingers and right-wing outlets that that Hennepin County attorney Mary Moriarty has to have this security uh detail.
• 2:28:10
  SPEAKER_37: No, there has been plenty of attempts at retribution, revenge, and violence of individuals who are aligned the same uh ideologically speaking, for those that simply aren't communist enough or aren't socialist enough for the other individuals, and heaven forbid, if Scary Moriarty were to actually on occasion go and hold somebody legitimately accountable.
• 2:28:33
  SPEAKER_37: Here's the last uh little bit from John Stossel talking about rent control in Minneapolis and St.
• 2:28:38
  SPEAKER_37: Paul, and then we'll be talking with our uh upcoming guest here on the John Justice Show, really excited to be speaking with the co-founder and president of the Citizens Council for Health Freedom, uh Twila Brays.
• 2:28:49
  SPEAKER_37: She'll be joining us in just a moment.
• 2:28:51
  SPEAKER_37: They don't set the price.
• 2:28:52
  SPEAKER_39: The market as a whole sets the price.
• 2:28:54
  SPEAKER_39: The conditions of how many housing units are there, how many people are looking for housing, that's a market.
• 2:28:59
  SPEAKER_39: You can't just magic away the fact that more people want to live in your city than you've provided homes for.
• 2:29:05
  SPEAKER_21: That's not the popular answer.
• 2:29:06
  SPEAKER_21: Progressives everywhere push for rent control.
• 2:29:09
  SPEAKER_39: I live in the only town in Maryland that has rent control.
• 2:29:12
  SPEAKER_39: We've had it since the 70s.
• 2:29:13
  SPEAKER_39: We have not built a single multifamily building since that law was passed.
• 2:29:17
  SPEAKER_21: The late economist Walter Williams once told me.
• 2:29:20
  SPEAKER_44: Short of aerial bombardment, the best way to destroy a city is through rent control.
• 2:29:26
  SPEAKER_21: Today rents are up, and that's hard.
• 2:29:29
  SPEAKER_21: But in the long run, rent controls will only make the problem worse.
• 2:29:33
  SPEAKER_39: What we need to do is build more houses.
• 2:29:35
  SPEAKER_39: That is the solution to rising housing costs.
• 2:29:38
  SPEAKER_21: So now, four years later, what's happened?
• 2:29:40
  SPEAKER_21: Well, that Minneapolis City Council member I interviewed was promoted to majority leader.
• 2:29:46
  SPEAKER_21: As for St.
• 2:29:47
  SPEAKER_21: Paul, that same city council rolled rent control back.
• 2:29:51
  SPEAKER_14: St.
• 2:29:51
  SPEAKER_14: Paul City Council approved a measure to loosen rent control.
• 2:29:55
  SPEAKER_21: They exempted rentals built over the past two decades.
• 2:29:59
  SPEAKER_14: We need to build homes, and we need to be ready to build when the market improves.
• 2:30:03
  SPEAKER_21: Now I think other politicians would learn from St.
• 2:30:06
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's failures, but no.
• 2:30:08
  SPEAKER_21: I will figure it out.
• 2:30:09
  SPEAKER_21: My new socialist mayor did what he said he would do.
• 2:30:13
  SPEAKER_35: New York, the Independent Rent Guidelines Board just froze the rent.
• 2:30:16
  SPEAKER_21: Give me a break.
• 2:30:17
  SPEAKER_21: New York City already has 57,000 vacant apartments.
• 2:30:22
  SPEAKER_21: Many of them look like this.
• 2:30:38
  SPEAKER_21: Now they want more.
• 2:30:40
  SPEAKER_21: When will politicians realize price controls only make things worse?
• 2:30:47
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  SPEAKER_37: Been quite a long time, but I am very pleased to welcome to the show the co-founder and president of the Citizens Council for Health Freedom, Twyla Brays.
• 2:32:39
  SPEAKER_37: Good morning, Twyla.
• 2:32:39
  SPEAKER_37: Thank you so much for joining the show this morning.
• 2:32:41
  SPEAKER_49: Good morning, John.
• 2:32:42
  SPEAKER_49: Glad to be here.
• 2:32:44
  SPEAKER_37: So for those that aren't familiar with you, talk about your organization and uh and the mission behind you and your organization.
• 2:32:52
  SPEAKER_49: So, Citizens Council for Health Freedom is in its 29th year.
• 2:32:56
  SPEAKER_49: Our mission is to protect patient and doctor Freedom.
• 2:33:00
  SPEAKER_49: And part of the way that we do that is by protecting privacy because we say he who holds the data makes the rules.
• 2:33:07
  SPEAKER_49: And that's where we've gotten some of our best or longest wins is in privacy.
• 2:33:12
  SPEAKER_49: But ultimately, we want the patient and the doctor to be able to work together on uh unobstructed by any third parties and at an affordable cost.
• 2:33:23
  SPEAKER_37: Boy, it's been uh it's been a number of years, I think, since you and I have had uh had the chance to talk, and a lot has certainly changed over that period of time.
• 2:33:33
  SPEAKER_37: Um, what's what's sort of your overall assessment with what um the Trump administration has done, what RFK Jr.
• 2:33:40
  SPEAKER_37: has done with the Maha movement?
• 2:33:42
  SPEAKER_37: Um have you been pleased with uh the way this administration has been approaching your your mission's work?
• 2:33:50
  SPEAKER_37: Is there still work that needs to be done?
• 2:33:52
  SPEAKER_37: What's your overall assessment of what Trump's done when it comes to uh health freedom?
• 2:33:56
  SPEAKER_49: Well, I would say that with the Maha movement, what you're seeing.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_49: Is movement having to do with, you know, food and dyes and vaccines and all of that sort of thing.
• 2:34:06
  SPEAKER_49: But I believe there's been less movement toward actual health freedom for the patient and the doctor.
• 2:34:12
  SPEAKER_49: Um, I know that um we um President Trump wanted to talk to the health plans and did.
• 2:34:18
  SPEAKER_49: We did send 15 questions to him, and we know that they got to RFK Jr.
• 2:34:24
  SPEAKER_49: because he had we had some connections where he had connections, and we know he got them directly in his email because he thanked them.
• 2:34:31
  SPEAKER_49: Um what they whether they went into the questions that Trump eventually asked the health plans in a private meeting, who knows?
• 2:34:38
  SPEAKER_49: But the fact of the matter is we need to move away from the corporate version of socialized medicine that we are in today, which is really a wealth redistribution system more than a patient care or coverage system.
• 2:34:51
  SPEAKER_49: And so people are finding it very unaffordable.
• 2:34:54
  SPEAKER_49: They say affordability of health care is going to be on the ballot uh in November, and if it's not on the ballot in this November, it's going to be on the ballot for the next presidential election because all of the premiums are going up and all of the healthcare prices as well, or the medical care prices as well.
• 2:35:11
  SPEAKER_49: So I think I think we're not moving in the direction when it comes to actual health freedom.
• 2:35:17
  SPEAKER_49: And in Medicare, they're bringing prior authorization into the freedom version of Medicare, which is original Medicare.
• 2:35:25
  SPEAKER_49: And that's something that the Oz, um, the Oz uh what uh Dr.
• 2:35:30
  SPEAKER_49: Oz at the at CMS is uh doing right now.
• 2:35:33
  SPEAKER_49: And you know, when Dr.
• 2:35:35
  SPEAKER_49: Oz was under consideration, we actually asked President Trump in a letter to please not hire him because he said in 2020 in an article with George Helverson, the former CEO of Health Partners, that he wanted Medicare advantage for all, except for those in Medicaid.
• 2:35:54
  SPEAKER_49: So all of us, all of us in a government program at an affordable 20% payroll tax.
• 2:36:02
  SPEAKER_49: So we did not want him in the position that he is in right now in the Trump administration.
• 2:36:07
  SPEAKER_49: So there is much that could be done to actually move towards freedom and out of the chains that everybody is stuck in, but I don't see a lot of that happening.
• 2:36:16
  SPEAKER_49: I do see a lot of movement on Maha, but not a lot of movement on what we call Mahira.
• 2:36:21
  SPEAKER_49: Make health insurance real again and affordable.
• 2:36:26
  SPEAKER_37: So we're talking with Twila Bray, is again co-founder and president of the Citizens Council for Health Freedom.
• 2:36:31
  SPEAKER_37: How closely do you watch, you know, what's been taking place locally when it comes to our healthcare uh industry?
• 2:36:38
  SPEAKER_37: You know, like for example, um, with all of my heart condition and you know, my yearly doctor's appointments and checkups, for those that aren't aware, I've had three different open heart surgeries.
• 2:36:47
  SPEAKER_37: I don't need to get into all that right now, but I go to the doctor a lot and getting good quality care is important to me.
• 2:36:53
  SPEAKER_37: Um, right now I get funneled through Fairview and M Health, but we also know that there's been a lot of controversies regarding whether or not they are going to get swallowed up by other health care providers.
• 2:37:03
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, I'm curious, you know, what kind of impact all these various moves at the local level, uh, what kind of impact it has and how closely you follow these moves with what you do and the mission of your organization?
• 2:37:19
  SPEAKER_49: Well, the fact of the matter is with the Affordable Care Act being passed 15 years ago, right, which has just made everything more unaffordable.
• 2:37:27
  SPEAKER_49: But one of the reasons why it's unaffordable is because of the consolidation.
• 2:37:32
  SPEAKER_49: And consolidation was really part of what the Affordable Care Act did.
• 2:37:36
  SPEAKER_49: In fact, Bloomberg government, in an article several months later, said that the Affordable Care Act was a$1 trillion windfall to the health plans.
• 2:37:46
  SPEAKER_49: And so when you're looking at what's happening with Fairview, when you're looking at those kind of questions, really, you know, years and years ago, as I started this organization, I remember them talking about when there would be only three to five uh insurers across the entire country.
• 2:38:03
  SPEAKER_49: So that consolidation is still happening.
• 2:38:05
  SPEAKER_49: That move to take over the physician practices is definitely still happening.
• 2:38:10
  SPEAKER_49: We're almost at 80% of doctors who are now corporate employees and no longer working for the patient, but for their boss, who is not the patient, it's the corporation.
• 2:38:20
  SPEAKER_49: And so I think, you know, at in Minnesota, just like everywhere else in the country, that's happening, although Minnesota has been more managed care for a longer time.
• 2:38:29
  SPEAKER_49: But still, what it means for patients is there might be less uh options.
• 2:38:34
  SPEAKER_49: It might mean that they won't have a physician that actually sees them, because a lot of the corporations are choosing to give people non-physicians, and as and people are finding that it's difficult to actually get an appointment with the doctor.
• 2:38:46
  SPEAKER_49: Now, that's not just happening uh here, that's happening all around the country, but that's also part of the Affordable Care Act, which gave something like$1.1 million to educate uh nurse practitioners.
• 2:38:58
  SPEAKER_49: And so there's been this boom of nurse practitioners, but seeing a nurse practitioner, as wonderful as they are, um, uh is nothing like seeing a physician because they don't have nearly the skill.
• 2:39:09
  SPEAKER_37: No, and especially depending on what it is that you're dealing with, you know, uh health-wise.
• 2:39:14
  SPEAKER_37: I can certainly attest to that.
• 2:39:15
  SPEAKER_37: And to your point about the doctors uh waiting to get an appointment, you know, I go back to 2008 when I had my first major incident, and you know, I have to go to the doctor, you know, multiple times a year beyond my general practitioner for, you know, see my cardiologist and and whatnot.
• 2:39:31
  SPEAKER_37: And I can tell you that over the course of these 15, 16 years, you're absolutely right.
• 2:39:36
  SPEAKER_37: The distance between those visits and how long it takes me to go and get my annual CT or echocardiogram and then get the follow-up with the doctor, it just keeps increasing and increasing and increasing every single year.
• 2:39:50
  SPEAKER_37: Uh it's it's depressing, to be honest with you, and it's and it's frightening for individuals who want to get, you know, immediate answers on something like test results, and you have to wait for months on end before you can go and see the see the doctor.
• 2:40:03
  SPEAKER_49: Well, one thing I like to say is that the mission of medicine has been taken over by the business of healthcare.
• 2:40:10
  SPEAKER_49: And most patients can really feel that in the exam room and how everything is by protocols and everything is being clicked into the computer.
• 2:40:18
  SPEAKER_49: These days, AI is coming into the exam room through ambient listening.
• 2:40:23
  SPEAKER_49: A lot of people are not given any consent.
• 2:40:25
  SPEAKER_49: I'll just show this that we have this door hanger.
• 2:40:29
  SPEAKER_49: We have a door to hanger that you can hang outside the door or just take with you to give you the backbone that you need to say no when they say, You don't mind if I record this visit, do you?
• 2:40:38
  SPEAKER_49: Well, it is not just being recorded, it's going into a full AI system.
• 2:40:43
  SPEAKER_49: It's being categorized, and what's happening is some diagnoses are being missed, some things that you say are being missed, some patients are being switched around where they go in and find out it's another patient's record that could put in their record.
• 2:40:55
  SPEAKER_49: I mean, doctors are refusing to talk and they're using sign language, like, you know, rather than say anything because their corporation would hear them say, don't do that.
• 2:41:05
  SPEAKER_49: So they have to offer, they have to offer the treatment, but then they have to buy sign language, tell their patients not to do it.
• 2:41:11
  SPEAKER_49: So, you know, don't it totally refuse the ambient listening, totally refuse the recording because you need to be able to speak freely with your doctor, and your doctor needs to be able to speak freely with you.
• 2:41:24
  SPEAKER_49: We are uh we are having a um a gala on October 1st, and one of the things that I'm going to talk about there, this right here in Bloomington, is our our plan really to fix healthcare in America, to bring the prices down, to bring the uh doctor freedom and the patient freedom up, and to do it in a real way that really works, which includes real catastrophic coverage and bringing it back.
• 2:41:49
  SPEAKER_49: And so I have a shocking statistic about what catastrophic coverage used to cost before the ACA.
• 2:41:56
  SPEAKER_49: It's you know, it's so minimal.
• 2:41:59
  SPEAKER_37: So I want to go back to the uncons uh the uncontested ambient listening in the exam room because that's a really interesting one.
• 2:42:06
  SPEAKER_37: Because I would imagine, as you mentioned, that depending on who your doctor is and if you trust your doctor, I think that there might even the point being here that you can strip away a barrier wherein they may be hesitant to have a really open and honest conversation with you.
• 2:42:23
  SPEAKER_37: And a lot of times that is necessary to drill down what's going on to get a good assessment.
• 2:42:28
  SPEAKER_37: And if it is listening and they're afraid that they're going to be held accountable for saying something that their other physicians don't agree with, that could certainly be a stumbling block.
• 2:42:37
  SPEAKER_37: And honestly, talking with Twilight Brays, this is something I wasn't even aware of until you had sent me over the notes for the show.
• 2:42:43
  SPEAKER_37: I didn't even realize that this was I didn't realize this was happening.
• 2:42:46
  SPEAKER_37: This probably happened to me in some of my recent doctor visits.
• 2:42:50
  SPEAKER_49: So there are a variety of ways that it will come into the room and you may or may not be notified.
• 2:42:55
  SPEAKER_49: It could be buried in a consent form that you're asked to sign a whole bunch of things with only one signature, right?
• 2:43:00
  SPEAKER_49: You have to read that carefully, cross out different things.
• 2:43:02
  SPEAKER_49: Don't use the computer version, ask for papers so you can actually cross out things.
• 2:43:06
  SPEAKER_49: It may come in as its own consent form and it'll just say ambient listening.
• 2:43:11
  SPEAKER_49: Do you, you know, consent to XYZ?
• 2:43:13
  SPEAKER_49: It might be just a sign in your exam room that says ambient listening is being used.
• 2:43:19
  SPEAKER_49: If you stay here, you consent to ambient listening.
• 2:43:22
  SPEAKER_49: Well, what if you don't want ambient listening?
• 2:43:23
  SPEAKER_49: What are you going to do?
• 2:43:25
  SPEAKER_49: Walk out the door, right?
• 2:43:27
  SPEAKER_49: Um, so a doctor came into my room, and uh, and of course I was I was prepared.
• 2:43:33
  SPEAKER_49: He comes in with his phone in his hand, and all he says is, you don't mind if I record this, right?
• 2:43:38
  SPEAKER_49: Like I said, I said, No, you can't record this.
• 2:43:42
  SPEAKER_49: And he said, But but but the record won't be as complete.
• 2:43:46
  SPEAKER_49: And I just looked at him, I said, nothing.
• 2:43:48
  SPEAKER_49: He just turned that phone off, he put it in his pocket.
• 2:43:51
  SPEAKER_49: I'm like, I don't care.
• 2:43:52
  SPEAKER_49: I mean, I'm a nurse, right?
• 2:43:54
  SPEAKER_49: I took you there are not that many notes you have to take.
• 2:43:58
  SPEAKER_49: And now if you just realize there's an entire ambient listening AI system behind here, doing all sorts, you know, categorizing this, putting it in different places, deciding what's important to record.
• 2:44:10
  SPEAKER_49: So I actually have a slide where I got some information which said if something is considered uh unrelated to the purpose of the visit, it may not be recorded.
• 2:44:21
  SPEAKER_49: So, so you mentioned something about a headache, and that's not part of your tow visit.
• 2:44:25
  SPEAKER_49: And so, you know, it'll never mention that you asked about a headache.
• 2:44:29
  SPEAKER_49: Right?
• 2:44:30
  SPEAKER_49: You know, it's just it's crazy, and we should not let the computers in.
• 2:44:34
  SPEAKER_49: And actually, you know, President Obama is one of his chief healthcare advisors, recently wrote an article in the journal of um of the American Medical Association where he basically said AI doctors are coming, and the and and human doctors probably once AI gets good enough, should not interfere with what AI decides.
• 2:44:58
  SPEAKER_49: And and the AMA wrote back in an article and basically said, you know, making a few technical decisions about things is not doctoring.
• 2:45:07
  SPEAKER_49: We have to look at the patients, see what's you know, good for that patient, but not for others.
• 2:45:12
  SPEAKER_49: We can't we can't do everything just like lockstep, as though every patient is the same.
• 2:45:16
  SPEAKER_49: We have to look at their family situation.
• 2:45:18
  SPEAKER_49: Are they hesitant to do it?
• 2:45:19
  SPEAKER_49: Will they actually do it?
• 2:45:20
  SPEAKER_49: You know, that it's just it's crazy.
• 2:45:23
  SPEAKER_49: But he was basically pushing this idea that we're not going to need human doctors anymore.
• 2:45:28
  SPEAKER_49: We're gonna be able to do with a computer, you know, for all of our care.
• 2:45:33
  SPEAKER_37: There is no one size fits all for everybody, depending on their condition.
• 2:45:37
  SPEAKER_37: I mean, I could wipe out with my own story on that, but let's let's move over to a few other uh issues that I know you wanted to address again, talking with the uh co-founder and president of the Citizens Council for Health Freedom, Twilight's.
• 2:45:48
  SPEAKER_37: Um, you have a proposal to forbid requiring real ID for medical care.
• 2:45:53
  SPEAKER_37: I wasn't aware of this either.
• 2:45:54
  SPEAKER_37: What's this about?
• 2:45:56
  SPEAKER_49: So, real ID is a federal ID masquerading as a state driver's license.
• 2:46:02
  SPEAKER_49: And in fact, about half of the legislatures in the country when Real ID came out refused to do it because they saw it as a violation of states' rights and uh as a violation of privacy.
• 2:46:14
  SPEAKER_49: And then Obama came out and shouted from the rooftops in late 2015 that it you couldn't fly in 2016 if you didn't have a real ID.
• 2:46:22
  SPEAKER_49: And that's the first time that the national news picked it up, and that scared people, and so legislators started hearing from them and they started caving and giving up your um your constitutional rights to not have the federal government control identification in this country and driving in this country.
• 2:46:40
  SPEAKER_49: But the but you have to look at what the law says, and the law says that the or that the purposes, the official purposes of real ID are access to federal facilities, nuclear facilities, and commercial flight.
• 2:46:52
  SPEAKER_49: And then it adds, and any other purposes uh which the Secretary of Homeland Security determines.
• 2:47:00
  SPEAKER_49: Any other.
• 2:47:01
  SPEAKER_49: So this federal ID, which they want to digitize and put on your phone, which means there's a government database in the background that could just shut off your ID, just turn it off.
• 2:47:12
  SPEAKER_49: If they didn't like something you did or wanted to bring you in, right, they just turn off your ID.
• 2:47:17
  SPEAKER_49: Um, so this uh this could be used for anything.
• 2:47:19
  SPEAKER_49: You could it could be required to bank, it could be required to get on the internet, to get married, to uh have access to medical care.
• 2:47:26
  SPEAKER_49: And we believe having access to medical care is probably the way that they will try to get all of the reticent people, and there's about 44% of IDs that are not real ID compliant today.
• 2:47:38
  SPEAKER_49: So they could try to get all of the people to move to this real ID, which they would then digitize and make a nationalized digitized ID by saying you need it for health care.
• 2:47:50
  SPEAKER_49: And why could they do that?
• 2:47:52
  SPEAKER_49: Because somewhere between 47 and 49 percent of medical expenses are funded by a government of some sort, local, state, or federal.
• 2:48:00
  SPEAKER_49: So they could say, well, to prevent fraud, everybody has to have a real ID to go to a doctor.
• 2:48:07
  SPEAKER_37: Talking with uh uh TwilaBrays, and thank you so much for coming on the show this morning.
• 2:48:12
  SPEAKER_37: I know we want to make sure that we promote the uh event you have coming up.
• 2:48:15
  SPEAKER_37: Before we do that, though, is there anything else that you would uh like to mention uh to the friends of the show this morning?
• 2:48:20
  SPEAKER_49: Well, first of all, I just have to say uh refuse realid.org has all of this information, tells you how to switch your back to a state driver's license to thwart their effort here for a national ID.
• 2:48:32
  SPEAKER_49: And our video with Brett Weinstein, which is his eighth most popular in all of his years of uh doing podcasts.
• 2:48:40
  SPEAKER_49: And so uh this is a really important thing to protect the freedom of this country.
• 2:48:44
  SPEAKER_49: So refuse realid.org.
• 2:48:47
  SPEAKER_49: And then it's Medicare time is coming up, Medicare enrollment is coming up.
• 2:48:51
  SPEAKER_49: So um a woman told us that our Medicare how-to guide is the best of all Medicare guides she's ever read.
• 2:48:57
  SPEAKER_49: And so it's free on our website at cchfreedom.org.
• 2:49:02
  SPEAKER_49: We don't have the 2027 prices, but all of the rest of it is evergreen, including the 10 traps to avoid.
• 2:49:10
  SPEAKER_49: It's really important.
• 2:49:11
  SPEAKER_49: You'll have one chance to make this, and then you might not have another if you get sick in the meantime.
• 2:49:17
  SPEAKER_49: You might not be able to switch to the freedom version of Medicare when the non-freedom Medicare Advantage version tells you no and denies you access to care, which is its history with doctors.
• 2:49:28
  SPEAKER_49: Deny, deny, deny, as one doctor said.
• 2:49:32
  SPEAKER_37: Well, and at the website, uh you can also get details on the making a case for uh health freedom happening uh Thursday, October 1st.
• 2:49:39
  SPEAKER_37: And uh, friend of the show, uh Liz Collin, uh the MC of uh of that event, uh talk a little bit about that, and then uh we'll uh we'll do our goodbyes this morning.
• 2:49:47
  SPEAKER_37: And thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 2:49:48
  SPEAKER_37: But talk a little bit about this event.
• 2:49:50
  SPEAKER_49: Sure.
• 2:49:50
  SPEAKER_49: Our keynote speaker is going to be Rick Baker, and he started the company Timely Medical Alternatives to help Canadians escape their single-payer uh system woes, you know, their one-year wait, two-year wait for surgery.
• 2:50:04
  SPEAKER_49: You know, some of their lives have been lost and limbs have been lost.
• 2:50:08
  SPEAKER_49: And so to save them from this, uh people come to him and they pay him, and he finds places outside of Canada mostly.
• 2:50:14
  SPEAKER_49: He's found a few places in Canada, but mostly it's outside of Canada, or even to Canadian doctors who are have practices across the border.
• 2:50:22
  SPEAKER_49: Um, so um he will be talking about how he's rescued people, and we don't want to go toward that system.
• 2:50:28
  SPEAKER_49: I will be talking about our 3C solution for uh healthcare in this country.
• 2:50:34
  SPEAKER_49: We'll have a fun panel discussion, and Liz will be there.
• 2:50:37
  SPEAKER_49: Lori Line will play, and it'll be a lot of good food and fun with all the people who are thinking health freedom and really want to move the entire entire country back to real freedom uh and real insurance, and not the thing that we have today that is just stripping us of income left and right.
• 2:50:55
  SPEAKER_37: And what's the uh website uh once again there, uh, Twila?
• 2:50:58
  SPEAKER_49: Oh, it's cchfreedom.org.
• 2:51:01
  SPEAKER_49: Cchfreedom.org, and it's right on the top.
• 2:51:05
  SPEAKER_37: Twila Brays, uh, thank you for the continued good work that you and your organization are doing and for the time this morning.
• 2:51:11
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, look forward to the next time uh you can join us here on the John Justice show.
• 2:51:14
  SPEAKER_37: Uh but it's great seeing you today.
• 2:51:16
  SPEAKER_37: Thanks, John.
• 2:51:17
  SPEAKER_37: You know, and speaking of uh speaking of doctors, let's go ahead and uh let's go here.
• 2:51:23
  SPEAKER_37: Um Scott Jensen has uh some reason to celebrate.
• 2:51:27
  SPEAKER_37: Dr.
• 2:51:27
  SPEAKER_37: Scott Jensen.
• 2:51:28
  SPEAKER_37: U.S.
• 2:51:29
  SPEAKER_37: Court of Appeals has revived Scott Jensen's lawsuit.
• 2:51:34
  SPEAKER_37: Uh this is against the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice.
• 2:51:37
  SPEAKER_37: Uh Jensen, the Republican candidate for state auditor.
• 2:51:40
  SPEAKER_37: And I believe we had he was on the show last week, right?
• 2:51:42
  SPEAKER_37: I think he was in the studio last week.
• 2:51:45
  SPEAKER_37: Um he alleges the board targeted him for investigation over his COVID-19 views, impacting his free speech and campaign messaging.
• 2:51:54
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, this is according to a story from uh MPR.
• 2:51:56
  SPEAKER_37: Uh Scott Jensen took to social media yesterday uh to talk about this court of appeals reviving his free speech lawsuit against the medical licensing board.
• 2:52:06
  SPEAKER_37: Here's what he had to say.
• 2:52:08
  SPEAKER_37: Well, hallelujah.
• 2:52:09
  SPEAKER_02: Today, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit ruled that indeed regarding my First Amendment rights, I have standing.
• 2:52:22
  SPEAKER_02: You might remember that six years ago, six years and a few months, the was the first time I was investigated by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice for a variety of reasons.
• 2:52:34
  SPEAKER_02: But the bottom line was I was utilizing my right to free speech.
• 2:52:39
  SPEAKER_02: I was speaking to what was going on in the world at large regarding the pandemic, and I was in the Senate, and I had not only a right but an obligation to speak to the issues of the day.
• 2:52:51
  SPEAKER_02: My constituents expected it.
• 2:52:54
  SPEAKER_02: But through it all, over a three-year span of time, I had 18 allegations filed against me.
• 2:53:02
  SPEAKER_02: And the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice did not respect my right for free speech.
• 2:53:09
  SPEAKER_02: To go back in time, in June of 2020, I received my first letter from the Board of Medical Practice.
• 2:53:18
  SPEAKER_02: And moving forward, numerous investigations, 18 allegations, and then when I decided uh to hire a lawyer in 2023 and have our sit-down hearing with the Board of Medical Practice, all the allegations were dismissed.
• 2:53:39
  SPEAKER_02: No disciplinary action was taken.
• 2:53:43
  SPEAKER_02: And two months later, I decided to sue both Keith Ellison, the Attorney General from Minnesota, for failing to honor the Freedom of Information Act in Minnesota, which is called the Data Practices Act.
• 2:53:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I decided to sue the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice.
• 2:53:59
  SPEAKER_02: My suit against Keith Ellison revealed that the courts were in favor of our position, that he had not satisfied his obligation to provide me with information.
• 2:54:12
  SPEAKER_02: So the courts forced him to turn over more documents, documents that he did not want to turn over.
• 2:54:19
  SPEAKER_02: Those documents provided information for us to have a better understanding of what went on between the Attorney General, Keith Ellison, and the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice.
• 2:54:28
  SPEAKER_02: So then in my suit against the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice, the attorneys for the Board of Medical Practice, which work in Keith Ellison's office, filed a motion for dismissal because I lacked standing.
• 2:54:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where it was.
• 2:54:44
  SPEAKER_02: We filed an appeal, and today, after many months of waiting, the United States Court of Appeals issued its opinion.
• 2:54:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just going to read some highlights so that I don't misconstrue anything.
• 2:55:00
  SPEAKER_37: Judge And I'm and I'm going to stop it here.
• 2:55:03
  SPEAKER_37: I just wanted to give you a bit of a preview.
• 2:55:05
  SPEAKER_37: If you go to Scott Jensen's account on X, you can watch the video in its entirety.
• 2:55:10
  SPEAKER_37: It's about 11 minutes along, but that lawsuit has now been uh revived, and so that's a win for him in his uh fight against those that went after him.
• 2:55:22
  SPEAKER_37: Ridiculously so.
• 2:55:24
  SPEAKER_37: So I definitely encourage you to go and uh and check that out, and we'll be keeping an eye on that uh ourselves.
• 2:55:29
  SPEAKER_37: All right, before we close the show out uh today, I want to let you know what we have coming up on tomorrow's show.
• 2:55:35
  SPEAKER_37: And I found that post I was talking about earlier from friend of the show, uh Callie Proctor, that I want to share with you.
• 2:55:40
  SPEAKER_37: In studio tomorrow, and I want to make sure I don't miss any other guests that we have.
• 2:55:44
  SPEAKER_37: Uh in studio tomorrow, Becca Thompson.
• 2:55:47
  SPEAKER_37: Again, uh this is a uh fighter for the righteous and the just.
• 2:55:50
  SPEAKER_37: I'm labeling it that.
• 2:55:52
  SPEAKER_37: Uh in uh in in Minneapolis, former elected official uh Becca Thompson.
• 2:55:57
  SPEAKER_37: Uh she had a uh we had a huge response.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_37: From the time that she came in to our studios here at Center of the American Experiment to talk about what's been going on in Minneapolis.
• 2:56:06
  SPEAKER_37: We're going to be doing the same tomorrow.
• 2:56:08
  SPEAKER_37: David Zimmer at AmericanExperiment.org has a brand new piece, and we'll talk a little bit about this on tomorrow's show.
• 2:56:14
  SPEAKER_37: Minnesota's uh Uniformed Crime Reports, a reminder of the Minneapolis effect.
• 2:56:19
  SPEAKER_37: He writes in this, and again, we'll get into further details on tomorrow's show.
• 2:56:23
  SPEAKER_37: Minnesota statewide crime data is inordinately influenced by crime occurring in one city, Minneapolis.
• 2:56:30
  SPEAKER_37: He says the figures strongly support promptly increasing uh NPD staffing, an effort the city has struggled with since its city council voted to defund the department in 2020.
• 2:56:42
  SPEAKER_37: To that point, the Minneapolis police actually skipped a council meeting at the urging of Minneapolis man-baby mayor mom jeans Jacob Fry on$21 million in overspending.
• 2:56:53
  SPEAKER_37: This would be because of the overtime, because we don't have enough cops.
• 2:56:57
  SPEAKER_37: I question whether or not there was concern about pulling cops off the streets to go and deal with this meeting since we have so few cops out there right now.
• 2:57:05
  SPEAKER_37: Also, on tomorrow's show, we will dive into how the Minneapolis Public Schools is announcing plans that it may close up to 16 schools.
• 2:57:15
  SPEAKER_37: How bad is it when it comes to public education in the city of Minneapolis that they are willing to lose the million dollars in funding in having to go and shutter these schools?
• 2:57:28
  SPEAKER_37: And we'll also get into why these schools are having to be shuttered in the first place.
• 2:57:33
  SPEAKER_37: How many kids aren't even going to school anymore?
• 2:57:35
  SPEAKER_37: At this point in time, you can argue based off of the lack of equality education coming from Education Minnesota if that may not be a good thing.
• 2:57:41
  SPEAKER_37: But of course, as we know, the rising level of crime that's being committed by juveniles in Minneapolis simply cannot be ignored in the wake of planned closures of some 16 schools in Minneapolis.
• 2:57:55
  SPEAKER_37: Along with that, we'll share you the store share with you the story of a Minneapolis school board member who resurfaces suddenly after an eighth-month absence, citing threats, scrutiny over immigration remarks.
• 2:58:06
  SPEAKER_37: Apparently, she was still getting paid.
• 2:58:09
  SPEAKER_37: So that and much more with our in-studio guest uh Becca Thompson uh tomorrow here on the John Justice show.
• 2:58:15
  SPEAKER_37: This is what I wanted to share with you, though, earlier.
• 2:58:18
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, this comes from um Oki MAGA Patriot 46.
• 2:58:23
  SPEAKER_37: That's their handle on X.
• 2:58:25
  SPEAKER_37: I need to make a very public announcement on behalf of younger Gen Xers and older millennials.
• 2:58:32
  SPEAKER_37: Certainly caught my attention based off of that alone.
• 2:58:36
  SPEAKER_37: If you see someone in their 40s or 50s who seems a little boring now, I need you to understand something.
• 2:58:43
  SPEAKER_37: We already got it in.
• 2:58:45
  SPEAKER_37: Like, got it in.
• 2:58:48
  SPEAKER_37: We're not sitting at home on a Friday night because we never knew how to have fun.
• 2:58:52
  SPEAKER_37: We're sitting home on a Friday night because we've seen enough.
• 2:58:58
  SPEAKER_37: I can so I can relate to all this, by the way.
• 2:59:02
  SPEAKER_37: Talking to you, Devin.
• 2:59:03
  SPEAKER_37: This is for you.
• 2:59:04
  SPEAKER_37: Just kidding.
• 2:59:05
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, we went to parties in houses that should have been condemned.
• 2:59:09
  SPEAKER_37: We're almost certainly owned by a local drug dealer.
• 2:59:13
  SPEAKER_37: We saw police lights and ran.
• 2:59:15
  SPEAKER_37: And not across a nice flat field.
• 2:59:17
  SPEAKER_37: Oh no, no, no, we ran into the woods.
• 2:59:20
  SPEAKER_37: Do you understand the athleticism required to hurdle uprooted tree roots in platform shoes?
• 2:59:28
  SPEAKER_37: While some well, look, I didn't have platform shoes on, but for me it would have been either my my van's tennies or my Doc Martin's.
• 2:59:35
  SPEAKER_37: Uh, in platform shoes while simultaneously trying to keep a low rise jeans from sliding completely off your butt.
• 2:59:41
  SPEAKER_37: And somehow we never spilled the Zima.
• 2:59:45
  SPEAKER_37: Never spilled the Boone's farm.
• 2:59:48
  SPEAKER_37: That was talent.
• 2:59:49
  SPEAKER_37: We slept on floors in strange houses because the designated driver either never showed up or, in a shocking turn of events, was drunker than everybody else.
• 2:59:59
  SPEAKER_37: Truth.
• 3:00:00
  SPEAKER_37: Truth.
• 3:00:01
  SPEAKER_37: There was no Uber Life 360 or find my friends.
• 3:00:05
  SPEAKER_37: There was just somebody named Mike saying, I know a shortcut.
• 3:00:10
  SPEAKER_37: And then we followed Mike.
• 3:00:12
  SPEAKER_37: We closed down bars and then decided the night was still young.
• 3:00:15
  SPEAKER_37: So we drove to, they say Atlantic City.
• 3:00:17
  SPEAKER_37: In my case, it would have been Las Vegas, which is 100% true.
• 3:00:20
  SPEAKER_37: Where we somehow managed to get drunk, sober, get drunk again, sober up, and then get drunk a third time all before breakfast.
• 3:00:29
  SPEAKER_37: I can't tell you how many times that that exact same that exact thing happened.
• 3:00:34
  SPEAKER_37: We'd be at a bar living in Southern California.
• 3:00:37
  SPEAKER_37: The bar would be closing down.
• 3:00:39
  SPEAKER_37: I'd look at my buddy and we'd go, you know, it's only about a three-hour drive to Vegas.
• 3:00:43
  SPEAKER_37: If you've ever seen Swingers, where Vince Vaughn and John Favre hop into Vince Vaughn's car and take off to Vegas and they're all enthusiastic for the first part of it, and then they cut back and they're all tired before they see the lights of Vegas.
• 3:00:56
  SPEAKER_37: 100% accurate.
• 3:00:58
  SPEAKER_37: According to our parents, by the way, we were at Michelle's house eating pizza and watching movies.
• 3:01:03
  SPEAKER_37: Michelle's mother unknowingly covered for approximately 17 people every weekend, if there even was a Michelle.
• 3:01:10
  SPEAKER_37: We drank things called Purple Passion in Mad Dog 2020 and whatever somebody mixed inside a giant plastic garbage can.
• 3:01:16
  SPEAKER_37: Nobody asked what was in it.
• 3:01:18
  SPEAKER_37: You grabbed a red solo cup and you trusted the process.
• 3:01:21
  SPEAKER_37: We went to clubs until the lights came on.
• 3:01:24
  SPEAKER_37: Do you know the psychological damage of seeing a nightclub with the lights on?
• 3:01:28
  SPEAKER_37: Nothing good happens after those lights come on.
• 3:01:31
  SPEAKER_37: We danced for four hours straight in shoes that permanently altered the structure of our feet.
• 3:01:36
  SPEAKER_37: And that's not just for women.
• 3:01:39
  SPEAKER_37: We made entire plans without cell phones.
• 3:01:41
  SPEAKER_37: No texts, dropped pins or group chats, just an extremely questionable sense of direction.
• 3:01:47
  SPEAKER_37: We rode in cars with 11 people when the vehicle legally seated five.
• 3:01:52
  SPEAKER_37: Somehow we somehow was always sitting on someone.
• 3:01:56
  SPEAKER_37: Someone was always in the hatchback.
• 3:01:58
  SPEAKER_37: And there was always one friend yelling duck when we passed a cop.
• 3:02:02
  SPEAKER_37: So yes, now we like being at home.
• 3:02:04
  SPEAKER_37: We like sweatpants.
• 3:02:05
  SPEAKER_37: We like canceling plans.
• 3:02:07
  SPEAKER_37: We like saying that that sounds fun with absolutely no intention of attending.
• 3:02:12
  SPEAKER_37: We like restaurants at 5:30 because we can get a good table.
• 3:02:15
  SPEAKER_37: We like being home by 8.17.
• 3:02:17
  SPEAKER_37: And if someone texts at 9.30 and says, What are you doing?
• 3:02:20
  SPEAKER_37: Sleeping.
• 3:02:21
  SPEAKER_37: We're sleeping.
• 3:02:23
  SPEAKER_37: Because we're not boring, my friends.
• 3:02:25
  SPEAKER_37: This is retirement.
• 3:02:27
  SPEAKER_37: Not there yet, but you get the idea.
• 3:02:29
  SPEAKER_37: We already played, partied, and danced at the bar.
• 3:02:31
  SPEAKER_37: We ran from the cops through the wooded area dressed like a spice girl.
• 3:02:35
  SPEAKER_37: Okay, not me.
• 3:02:37
  SPEAKER_37: I just want to make sure we get this correct.
• 3:02:40
  SPEAKER_37: I might have had, I had blue hair for a while and dyed bleach blonde hair and a dyed blonde goatee, but I not dressed like a spice girl.
• 3:02:47
  SPEAKER_37: Although I was definitely involved in the era.
• 3:02:50
  SPEAKER_37: We have stories that cannot be posted because there are still people with careers, marriages, and reputations to protect.
• 3:02:55
  SPEAKER_37: And thank God there were no camera phones.
• 3:02:57
  SPEAKER_37: So, kids, when you look at your Gen X or older millennial parents sitting peacefully on the couch watching Dateline at 8 p.m.
• 3:03:04
  SPEAKER_37: and think, gosh, you guys are boring, sweetheart.
• 3:03:07
  SPEAKER_37: Oh, sweetheart.
• 3:03:07
  SPEAKER_37: You're looking at retired legends.
• 3:03:10
  SPEAKER_37: Put some respect on our names.
• 3:03:12
  SPEAKER_37: We're probably the reason Life 360 was invented.
• 3:03:18
  SPEAKER_37: Truer words may not have been spoken on the show this morning.
• 3:03:22
  SPEAKER_37: Thank you so much for hanging out on the show today.
• 3:03:24
  SPEAKER_37: I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it.
• 3:03:26
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• 3:03:27
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• 3:03:43
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